RE: Win2k backup and Exchange
In trying to fully understand I have a question: You said if 2 of the three were there, I can recover to pre-crash. Full backup and log files - I can see that. Database and log files - ok (im assuming it will replay the last good log file) But what about the Full backup and a good database volume? If my transaction logs are gone, I can only restore to my last good log file on the tape right? If so, my restore would not be up to the point of crash. Right? Wrong? I'm just trying to test what I THINK I know to be true. Straighten me out please. :) Ron -Original Message- From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 10:38 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Win2k backup and Exchange As long as you have 2 of the 3 following items, you're 100% fine: -intact Database volume -intact log volume -intact copy of the last full Exchange aware backup With any 2 of those 3, you can recover your system to precrash considition with no committed data lost. Differentials are a waste of time for Exchange in 99% of all cases. SQL-esque databases are a different story, but that's another forum entirely Roger -- Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE Senior Systems Administrator Peregrine Systems Atlanta, GA http://www.peregrine.com -Original Message- From: Michel, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 1:40 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Win2k backup and Exchange As much as I appreciate multiple links and sarcastic comments, I do not see anywhere in the whitepaper from either 5.5 or 2000 on how you can roll logs forward IF THE LOGS AREN'T THERE... Have you ever heard of a full system crash? Although I admit it is much less likely than any other type of failure it is still possible to lose the entire server, isn't it? And if it is, the logs you are so fond of referring to will be about as useful as your sarcasm. If you ever have the misfortune to work for lawyers you will find that there are certain things you do and deal with and a full system daily backup which is as up-to-date as possible is an absolute requirement. That is the reason that I am asking and why I feel my use of differentials is warranted. If I am not mistaken, a tape of any sort is only going to be as useful as the last information written to it if that is the only source of data, is it not? Therefore, a full server crash in the late afternoon with only last night's full backup leaves you SOL for almost a full day's work. However, if I am incorrect in my assumption that a tape which contains a full backup along with differential backups will allow me to rebuild my server completely and restore it to the point of the last differential then I would honestly be interested in hearing why. Furthermore, if there is a way to restore and roll the logs should the server that the logs were on be completely dead using just a full backup from the night before than I retract all sarcasm on my part and look forward to hearing how that process would work. -Original Message- From: Kevin Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 12:36 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Win2k backup and Exchange READ IT. Learn it. Love it. Tell it nice things. Sleep with it under you pillow 5.5 DR white paper http://www.microsoft.com/Exchange/techinfo/administration/55/B ackupResto re.asp 2k DR white paper http://www.microsoft.com/Exchange/techinfo/deployment/2000/e2k recovery.a sp --Kevinm M, WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA, And Beyond Drive thru Admin, Would you like Fries with that? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Don Ely Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 9:26 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Win2k backup and Exchange You've never heard of database logging have you? In the event of a restore, when the IS is restored and the transaction logs are replayed, you have lost nothing. You can restore right up to the point of failure. Therefore your use of Differentials is unwarranted D -Original Message- From: Michel, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 9:27 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Win2k backup and Exchange I have read it and I want to reiterate that I do plan on doing a nightly full backup. However, since the Exchange server has it's own tape backup system, I would also like to do differentials in addition to the full. Therefore, should a complete crash happen I'm backed up to within an hour or so of crash time rather than the previous night. -Original Message- From: McGilligan, Sean [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 12:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Win2k backup and Exchange David, First,I would read
RE: Win2k backup and Exchange
Q195519. Neil -Original Message- From: Ron Grant [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Posted At: 10 January 2002 14:19 Posted To: Exchange Mailing List Conversation: Win2k backup and Exchange Subject: RE: Win2k backup and Exchange In trying to fully understand I have a question: You said if 2 of the three were there, I can recover to pre-crash. Full backup and log files - I can see that. Database and log files - ok (im assuming it will replay the last good log file) But what about the Full backup and a good database volume? If my transaction logs are gone, I can only restore to my last good log file on the tape right? If so, my restore would not be up to the point of crash. Right? Wrong? I'm just trying to test what I THINK I know to be true. Straighten me out please. :) Ron -Original Message- From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 10:38 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Win2k backup and Exchange As long as you have 2 of the 3 following items, you're 100% fine: -intact Database volume -intact log volume -intact copy of the last full Exchange aware backup With any 2 of those 3, you can recover your system to precrash considition with no committed data lost. Differentials are a waste of time for Exchange in 99% of all cases. SQL-esque databases are a different story, but that's another forum entirely Roger -- Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE Senior Systems Administrator Peregrine Systems Atlanta, GA http://www.peregrine.com -Original Message- From: Michel, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 1:40 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Win2k backup and Exchange As much as I appreciate multiple links and sarcastic comments, I do not see anywhere in the whitepaper from either 5.5 or 2000 on how you can roll logs forward IF THE LOGS AREN'T THERE... Have you ever heard of a full system crash? Although I admit it is much less likely than any other type of failure it is still possible to lose the entire server, isn't it? And if it is, the logs you are so fond of referring to will be about as useful as your sarcasm. If you ever have the misfortune to work for lawyers you will find that there are certain things you do and deal with and a full system daily backup which is as up-to-date as possible is an absolute requirement. That is the reason that I am asking and why I feel my use of differentials is warranted. If I am not mistaken, a tape of any sort is only going to be as useful as the last information written to it if that is the only source of data, is it not? Therefore, a full server crash in the late afternoon with only last night's full backup leaves you SOL for almost a full day's work. However, if I am incorrect in my assumption that a tape which contains a full backup along with differential backups will allow me to rebuild my server completely and restore it to the point of the last differential then I would honestly be interested in hearing why. Furthermore, if there is a way to restore and roll the logs should the server that the logs were on be completely dead using just a full backup from the night before than I retract all sarcasm on my part and look forward to hearing how that process would work. -Original Message- From: Kevin Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 12:36 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Win2k backup and Exchange READ IT. Learn it. Love it. Tell it nice things. Sleep with it under you pillow 5.5 DR white paper http://www.microsoft.com/Exchange/techinfo/administration/55/B ackupResto re.asp 2k DR white paper http://www.microsoft.com/Exchange/techinfo/deployment/2000/e2k recovery.a sp --Kevinm M, WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA, And Beyond Drive thru Admin, Would you like Fries with that? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Don Ely Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 9:26 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Win2k backup and Exchange You've never heard of database logging have you? In the event of a restore, when the IS is restored and the transaction logs are replayed, you have lost nothing. You can restore right up to the point of failure. Therefore your use of Differentials is unwarranted D -Original Message- From: Michel, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 9:27 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Win2k backup and Exchange I have read it and I want to reiterate that I do plan on doing a nightly full backup. However, since the Exchange server has it's own tape backup system, I would also like to do differentials in addition to the full. Therefore, should a complete crash happen I'm backed up to within an hour or so of crash time rather than the previous night
RE: Win2k backup and Exchange
just missed it by a whisker; lost an operating system mirror pair, store raid 5 and one log mirror volume - the other volume of the mirror was intact. And we never found out what really happened - the system completely logically disintegrated with the BIOS unable to spot most of the hardware. When the engineer rebuilt the system logically everything was in working order and has been .(did I just about say something foolish there) Roger Mackenzie (Glasgow University) -Original Message- From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 09 January 2002 06:56 To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Win2k backup and Exchange I wonder if a single subscriber to this list has ever had an array controller take out all the disk drives and cause significant data loss. Certainly I've never heard of such a thing. Even if it has happened, the likelihood is so exceedingly rare that it's not worth all the effort you're going through. Even if such a fluke were to happen, with a single daily full backup schedule, your maximum loss would be one day's mail. Is that worth all your effort? Then it's worth changing the tapes ten times a day, probably. My advice is to focus on risks that make a difference. Spend your efforts doing an occasional disaster recovery drill by restoring to your recovery server, and then running isinteg and eseutil on your restored database. Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP Tech Consultant Compaq Computer There are seldom good technological solutions to behavioral problems. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Michel, David Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 7:58 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Win2k backup and Exchange Just one final note on all of this. I do appreciate the honest attempts to assist me and offer opinions and appreciate the very helpful off-list responses even more. I can also take sarcasm more than most people. However, the problem I had with a few of the posts were that they were not helpful, humorously sarcastic, or even correct. I, along with many others I'm sure who have posted items and have been told to read before asking, have read both the 5.5 and 2000 disaster recovery white papers. However, nowhere in either of those papers was the answer to my original question. If I did miss it then please feel free to quote it and send it to me. The part that irks me is the I'm God of all things computer and everyone always listens to everything I say, therefore all MY systems are configured perfectly attitude that many seem to have. Not everyone has the same setup as you all might and therefore a canned response is not necessarily the correct one. Anyone who can sit here and tell me that they've never had a boss or client who did not have and did not want to buy all of the equipment you recommend (or insist upon) is simply lying to themselves or us as a group. It's not the real world. In the real world you make your best arguments, state your reasons, and either live with the consequences or quit. Being that I have obligations and a family I choose to work with the equipment and restrictions that I'm given. I would venture to say there are probably more Exchange configurations out there that would get blasted on this list then there are correct ones due to lack of money, ego, etc... but most still work OK. That being said, Roger's first scenario below is the correct one for me. I was told that my server, like all the others in my firm, will have a single array controller and a RAID 5 array. Please spare me the lectures on how bad this is as it's a fight I've been trying to win for almost two years but my boss doesn't budge and doesn't believe the MS or Compaq (we use their servers) numbers that I've shown to back up my arguments. Like I said, you live with it or move on. This is why I'm looking to do what I am with the backups and why I'm somewhat paranoid about my databases and logs going bye-bye... Lastly, to anyone else who wanted the answer to the original question, you simply format all of your tapes with the same label within NTBackup and you can do whatever you want. -Original Message- From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 11:38 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Win2k backup and Exchange You're equating dead server and completely erased drives, which is an erroneous assumption on your part. There are two full system crash scenarios in which I could see not being able to recover from the logs. First - drive controller failure that includes destroying BOTH the database and log volumes (you DO have them on different RAID sets, right?). This is only an issue if you have 1 and only 1 RAID channel/array. Second - datacenter fire that physically destroys the box. You're DOA, even in your scenario, because the tape sitting in the drive with your most recent differential is melted, along with the server it backed up. As long
RE: Win2k backup and Exchange
Just curious, are you planning on running your differential backup after every new message is received by your system. :) I have yet to hear of a full system crash taking out both drives in a mirrored log set. Are you using Packard Bell HW? Unless your building was a terrorist target or experienced an act of deity, you wouldn't have an issue (and if it did happen, you wouldn't have your differential backups, would you?). Just curious, how is working for attorney's any different that working in an SEC regulated environment, the healthcare industry, or a retail environment that takes their business seriously? Having worked in all of those industries over the last 14 years, I can't see how your situation is any different just because you work with lawyers. The only difference I am aware of is that for the most part, they're cheap and the older one's can't stand technology. If your system is architected correctly, you will not have an issue with a full Exchange Aware backup nightly. If you can't hack the sarcasm, you might consider a different list (maybe the carebears one). The sarcasm is what makes this list great in my opinion. Everyone who is anyone in the Exchange world is here. Did you run home with your ball when the other kids noticed you had highwaters? Tom. -Original Message- From: Michel, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 1:40 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Win2k backup and Exchange As much as I appreciate multiple links and sarcastic comments, I do not see anywhere in the whitepaper from either 5.5 or 2000 on how you can roll logs forward IF THE LOGS AREN'T THERE... Have you ever heard of a full system crash? Although I admit it is much less likely than any other type of failure it is still possible to lose the entire server, isn't it? And if it is, the logs you are so fond of referring to will be about as useful as your sarcasm. If you ever have the misfortune to work for lawyers you will find that there are certain things you do and deal with and a full system daily backup which is as up-to-date as possible is an absolute requirement. That is the reason that I am asking and why I feel my use of differentials is warranted. If I am not mistaken, a tape of any sort is only going to be as useful as the last information written to it if that is the only source of data, is it not? Therefore, a full server crash in the late afternoon with only last night's full backup leaves you SOL for almost a full day's work. However, if I am incorrect in my assumption that a tape which contains a full backup along with differential backups will allow me to rebuild my server completely and restore it to the point of the last differential then I would honestly be interested in hearing why. Furthermore, if there is a way to restore and roll the logs should the server that the logs were on be completely dead using just a full backup from the night before than I retract all sarcasm on my part and look forward to hearing how that process would work. -Original Message- From: Kevin Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 12:36 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Win2k backup and Exchange READ IT. Learn it. Love it. Tell it nice things. Sleep with it under you pillow 5.5 DR white paper http://www.microsoft.com/Exchange/techinfo/administration/55/BackupResto re.asp 2k DR white paper http://www.microsoft.com/Exchange/techinfo/deployment/2000/e2krecovery.a sp --Kevinm M, WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA, And Beyond Drive thru Admin, Would you like Fries with that? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Don Ely Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 9:26 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Win2k backup and Exchange You've never heard of database logging have you? In the event of a restore, when the IS is restored and the transaction logs are replayed, you have lost nothing. You can restore right up to the point of failure. Therefore your use of Differentials is unwarranted D -Original Message- From: Michel, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 9:27 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Win2k backup and Exchange I have read it and I want to reiterate that I do plan on doing a nightly full backup. However, since the Exchange server has it's own tape backup system, I would also like to do differentials in addition to the full. Therefore, should a complete crash happen I'm backed up to within an hour or so of crash time rather than the previous night. -Original Message- From: McGilligan, Sean [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 12:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Win2k backup and Exchange David, First,I would read the paper disaster recovery. Second,I would ask the question why can you not do full (normal) backups every day unless of course your data outstrips your tape size on each server. I
RE: Win2k backup and Exchange
You're equating dead server and completely erased drives, which is an erroneous assumption on your part. There are two full system crash scenarios in which I could see not being able to recover from the logs. First - drive controller failure that includes destroying BOTH the database and log volumes (you DO have them on different RAID sets, right?). This is only an issue if you have 1 and only 1 RAID channel/array. Second - datacenter fire that physically destroys the box. You're DOA, even in your scenario, because the tape sitting in the drive with your most recent differential is melted, along with the server it backed up. As long as you have 2 of the 3 following items, you're 100% fine: -intact Database volume -intact log volume -intact copy of the last full Exchange aware backup With any 2 of those 3, you can recover your system to precrash considition with no committed data lost. Differentials are a waste of time for Exchange in 99% of all cases. SQL-esque databases are a different story, but that's another forum entirely Roger -- Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE Senior Systems Administrator Peregrine Systems Atlanta, GA http://www.peregrine.com -Original Message- From: Michel, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 1:40 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Win2k backup and Exchange As much as I appreciate multiple links and sarcastic comments, I do not see anywhere in the whitepaper from either 5.5 or 2000 on how you can roll logs forward IF THE LOGS AREN'T THERE... Have you ever heard of a full system crash? Although I admit it is much less likely than any other type of failure it is still possible to lose the entire server, isn't it? And if it is, the logs you are so fond of referring to will be about as useful as your sarcasm. If you ever have the misfortune to work for lawyers you will find that there are certain things you do and deal with and a full system daily backup which is as up-to-date as possible is an absolute requirement. That is the reason that I am asking and why I feel my use of differentials is warranted. If I am not mistaken, a tape of any sort is only going to be as useful as the last information written to it if that is the only source of data, is it not? Therefore, a full server crash in the late afternoon with only last night's full backup leaves you SOL for almost a full day's work. However, if I am incorrect in my assumption that a tape which contains a full backup along with differential backups will allow me to rebuild my server completely and restore it to the point of the last differential then I would honestly be interested in hearing why. Furthermore, if there is a way to restore and roll the logs should the server that the logs were on be completely dead using just a full backup from the night before than I retract all sarcasm on my part and look forward to hearing how that process would work. -Original Message- From: Kevin Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 12:36 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Win2k backup and Exchange READ IT. Learn it. Love it. Tell it nice things. Sleep with it under you pillow 5.5 DR white paper http://www.microsoft.com/Exchange/techinfo/administration/55/B ackupResto re.asp 2k DR white paper http://www.microsoft.com/Exchange/techinfo/deployment/2000/e2k recovery.a sp --Kevinm M, WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA, And Beyond Drive thru Admin, Would you like Fries with that? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Don Ely Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 9:26 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Win2k backup and Exchange You've never heard of database logging have you? In the event of a restore, when the IS is restored and the transaction logs are replayed, you have lost nothing. You can restore right up to the point of failure. Therefore your use of Differentials is unwarranted D -Original Message- From: Michel, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 9:27 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Win2k backup and Exchange I have read it and I want to reiterate that I do plan on doing a nightly full backup. However, since the Exchange server has it's own tape backup system, I would also like to do differentials in addition to the full. Therefore, should a complete crash happen I'm backed up to within an hour or so of crash time rather than the previous night. -Original Message- From: McGilligan, Sean [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 12:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Win2k backup and Exchange David, First,I would read the paper disaster recovery. Second,I would ask the question why can you not do full (normal) backups
RE: Win2k backup and Exchange
Just one final note on all of this. I do appreciate the honest attempts to assist me and offer opinions and appreciate the very helpful off-list responses even more. I can also take sarcasm more than most people. However, the problem I had with a few of the posts were that they were not helpful, humorously sarcastic, or even correct. I, along with many others I'm sure who have posted items and have been told to read before asking, have read both the 5.5 and 2000 disaster recovery white papers. However, nowhere in either of those papers was the answer to my original question. If I did miss it then please feel free to quote it and send it to me. The part that irks me is the I'm God of all things computer and everyone always listens to everything I say, therefore all MY systems are configured perfectly attitude that many seem to have. Not everyone has the same setup as you all might and therefore a canned response is not necessarily the correct one. Anyone who can sit here and tell me that they've never had a boss or client who did not have and did not want to buy all of the equipment you recommend (or insist upon) is simply lying to themselves or us as a group. It's not the real world. In the real world you make your best arguments, state your reasons, and either live with the consequences or quit. Being that I have obligations and a family I choose to work with the equipment and restrictions that I'm given. I would venture to say there are probably more Exchange configurations out there that would get blasted on this list then there are correct ones due to lack of money, ego, etc... but most still work OK. That being said, Roger's first scenario below is the correct one for me. I was told that my server, like all the others in my firm, will have a single array controller and a RAID 5 array. Please spare me the lectures on how bad this is as it's a fight I've been trying to win for almost two years but my boss doesn't budge and doesn't believe the MS or Compaq (we use their servers) numbers that I've shown to back up my arguments. Like I said, you live with it or move on. This is why I'm looking to do what I am with the backups and why I'm somewhat paranoid about my databases and logs going bye-bye... Lastly, to anyone else who wanted the answer to the original question, you simply format all of your tapes with the same label within NTBackup and you can do whatever you want. -Original Message- From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 11:38 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Win2k backup and Exchange You're equating dead server and completely erased drives, which is an erroneous assumption on your part. There are two full system crash scenarios in which I could see not being able to recover from the logs. First - drive controller failure that includes destroying BOTH the database and log volumes (you DO have them on different RAID sets, right?). This is only an issue if you have 1 and only 1 RAID channel/array. Second - datacenter fire that physically destroys the box. You're DOA, even in your scenario, because the tape sitting in the drive with your most recent differential is melted, along with the server it backed up. As long as you have 2 of the 3 following items, you're 100% fine: -intact Database volume -intact log volume -intact copy of the last full Exchange aware backup With any 2 of those 3, you can recover your system to precrash considition with no committed data lost. Differentials are a waste of time for Exchange in 99% of all cases. SQL-esque databases are a different story, but that's another forum entirely Roger -- Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE Senior Systems Administrator Peregrine Systems Atlanta, GA http://www.peregrine.com -Original Message- From: Michel, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 1:40 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Win2k backup and Exchange As much as I appreciate multiple links and sarcastic comments, I do not see anywhere in the whitepaper from either 5.5 or 2000 on how you can roll logs forward IF THE LOGS AREN'T THERE... Have you ever heard of a full system crash? Although I admit it is much less likely than any other type of failure it is still possible to lose the entire server, isn't it? And if it is, the logs you are so fond of referring to will be about as useful as your sarcasm. If you ever have the misfortune to work for lawyers you will find that there are certain things you do and deal with and a full system daily backup which is as up-to-date as possible is an absolute requirement. That is the reason that I am asking and why I feel my use of differentials is warranted. If I am not mistaken, a tape of any sort is only going to be as useful as the last information written to it if that is the only source of data, is it not? Therefore
RE: Win2k backup and Exchange
I wonder if a single subscriber to this list has ever had an array controller take out all the disk drives and cause significant data loss. Certainly I've never heard of such a thing. Even if it has happened, the likelihood is so exceedingly rare that it's not worth all the effort you're going through. Even if such a fluke were to happen, with a single daily full backup schedule, your maximum loss would be one day's mail. Is that worth all your effort? Then it's worth changing the tapes ten times a day, probably. My advice is to focus on risks that make a difference. Spend your efforts doing an occasional disaster recovery drill by restoring to your recovery server, and then running isinteg and eseutil on your restored database. Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP Tech Consultant Compaq Computer There are seldom good technological solutions to behavioral problems. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Michel, David Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 7:58 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Win2k backup and Exchange Just one final note on all of this. I do appreciate the honest attempts to assist me and offer opinions and appreciate the very helpful off-list responses even more. I can also take sarcasm more than most people. However, the problem I had with a few of the posts were that they were not helpful, humorously sarcastic, or even correct. I, along with many others I'm sure who have posted items and have been told to read before asking, have read both the 5.5 and 2000 disaster recovery white papers. However, nowhere in either of those papers was the answer to my original question. If I did miss it then please feel free to quote it and send it to me. The part that irks me is the I'm God of all things computer and everyone always listens to everything I say, therefore all MY systems are configured perfectly attitude that many seem to have. Not everyone has the same setup as you all might and therefore a canned response is not necessarily the correct one. Anyone who can sit here and tell me that they've never had a boss or client who did not have and did not want to buy all of the equipment you recommend (or insist upon) is simply lying to themselves or us as a group. It's not the real world. In the real world you make your best arguments, state your reasons, and either live with the consequences or quit. Being that I have obligations and a family I choose to work with the equipment and restrictions that I'm given. I would venture to say there are probably more Exchange configurations out there that would get blasted on this list then there are correct ones due to lack of money, ego, etc... but most still work OK. That being said, Roger's first scenario below is the correct one for me. I was told that my server, like all the others in my firm, will have a single array controller and a RAID 5 array. Please spare me the lectures on how bad this is as it's a fight I've been trying to win for almost two years but my boss doesn't budge and doesn't believe the MS or Compaq (we use their servers) numbers that I've shown to back up my arguments. Like I said, you live with it or move on. This is why I'm looking to do what I am with the backups and why I'm somewhat paranoid about my databases and logs going bye-bye... Lastly, to anyone else who wanted the answer to the original question, you simply format all of your tapes with the same label within NTBackup and you can do whatever you want. -Original Message- From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 11:38 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Win2k backup and Exchange You're equating dead server and completely erased drives, which is an erroneous assumption on your part. There are two full system crash scenarios in which I could see not being able to recover from the logs. First - drive controller failure that includes destroying BOTH the database and log volumes (you DO have them on different RAID sets, right?). This is only an issue if you have 1 and only 1 RAID channel/array. Second - datacenter fire that physically destroys the box. You're DOA, even in your scenario, because the tape sitting in the drive with your most recent differential is melted, along with the server it backed up. As long as you have 2 of the 3 following items, you're 100% fine: -intact Database volume -intact log volume -intact copy of the last full Exchange aware backup With any 2 of those 3, you can recover your system to precrash considition with no committed data lost. Differentials are a waste of time for Exchange in 99% of all cases. SQL-esque databases are a different story, but that's another forum entirely Roger -- Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE Senior Systems Administrator Peregrine Systems Atlanta, GA http://www.peregrine.com -Original Message- From: Michel, David [mailto:[EMAIL
Win2k backup and Exchange
I realize there are no stupid questions but only stupid people who ask questions so I'll throw my hat into the stupid ring as this is probably very simple... I finally got my boss to buy a DLT drive exclusively for each of my Exchange 2000 servers. From all I've read here and elsewhere I decided to use NTBackup rather than ARCServe on my servers. I cannot, however, find a way to setup the backups correctly. I aim to do a nightly full backup at 11pm with differentials every two hours from 6am until 8pm when the tape would be replaced for that night's backup. I see in the backup wizard how to set the daily backup as a normal and how to schedule a second differential backup for only the information store at my selected times. However, the option to append rather than overwrite the media is grayed out on the differential. If this differential is going to overwrite the full backup then a single tape source for backup isn't feasible. I'm sure it is but I'm just missing something so anything you can offer would be appreciated. David S. Michel MCSE/CNE Systems Engineer Ruden McClosky Smith Schuster Russell, P.A. 200 East Broward Boulevard Suite 1600 Fort Lauderdale, FL 33301 954-527-2456 Direct Phone 954-333-4056 Direct Fax [EMAIL PROTECTED] NOTICE: This e-mail message and any attachment to this e-mail message contains confidential information that may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not review, retransmit, convert to hard copy, copy, use or disseminate this e-mail or any attachments to it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately by return e-mail or by telephone at 954-764-6660 and delete this message. Please note that if this e-mail message contains a forwarded message or is a reply to a prior message, some or all of the contents of this message or any attachments may not have been produced by Ruden, McClosky, Smith, Schuster, Russell, P.A. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Win2k backup and Exchange
David, First,I would read the paper disaster recovery. Second,I would ask the question why can you not do full (normal) backups every day unless of course your data outstrips your tape size on each server. I think you are reading into differentials too deeply. Personally I would recommend Veritas Backupexec as NTBackup is a stripped down version albeit free, but again it comes down to the horses for courses and each person can tell a different story where backups are concerned. My reasoning is the restore times from testing are faster with Veritas. Whether you want to pay that much more is the question?. Yours sincerely, Sean McGilligan [ I realize there are no stupid questions but only stupid people who ask questions so I'll throw my hat into the stupid ring as this is probably very simple... I finally got my boss to buy a DLT drive exclusively for each of my Exchange 2000 servers. From all I've read here and elsewhere I decided to use NTBackup rather than ARCServe on my servers. I cannot, however, find a way to setup the backups correctly. I aim to do a nightly full backup at 11pm with differentials every two hours from 6am until 8pm when the tape would be replaced for that night's backup. I see in the backup wizard how to set the daily backup as a normal and how to schedule a second differential backup for only the information store at my selected times. However, the option to append rather than overwrite the media is grayed out on the differential. If this differential is going to overwrite the full backup then a single tape source for backup isn't feasible. I'm sure it is but I'm just missing something so anything you can offer would be appreciated. ] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Win2k backup and Exchange
Use NT backup to dump to file, then use ArgServ to dump that file to tape. --Kevinm M, WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA, And Beyond Drive thru Admin, Would you like Fries with that? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Michel, David Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 8:50 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Win2k backup and Exchange I realize there are no stupid questions but only stupid people who ask questions so I'll throw my hat into the stupid ring as this is probably very simple... I finally got my boss to buy a DLT drive exclusively for each of my Exchange 2000 servers. From all I've read here and elsewhere I decided to use NTBackup rather than ARCServe on my servers. I cannot, however, find a way to setup the backups correctly. I aim to do a nightly full backup at 11pm with differentials every two hours from 6am until 8pm when the tape would be replaced for that night's backup. I see in the backup wizard how to set the daily backup as a normal and how to schedule a second differential backup for only the information store at my selected times. However, the option to append rather than overwrite the media is grayed out on the differential. If this differential is going to overwrite the full backup then a single tape source for backup isn't feasible. I'm sure it is but I'm just missing something so anything you can offer would be appreciated. David S. Michel MCSE/CNE Systems Engineer Ruden McClosky Smith Schuster Russell, P.A. 200 East Broward Boulevard Suite 1600 Fort Lauderdale, FL 33301 954-527-2456 Direct Phone 954-333-4056 Direct Fax [EMAIL PROTECTED] NOTICE: This e-mail message and any attachment to this e-mail message contains confidential information that may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not review, retransmit, convert to hard copy, copy, use or disseminate this e-mail or any attachments to it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately by return e-mail or by telephone at 954-764-6660 and delete this message. Please note that if this e-mail message contains a forwarded message or is a reply to a prior message, some or all of the contents of this message or any attachments may not have been produced by Ruden, McClosky, Smith, Schuster, Russell, P.A. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Win2k backup and Exchange
I have read it and I want to reiterate that I do plan on doing a nightly full backup. However, since the Exchange server has it's own tape backup system, I would also like to do differentials in addition to the full. Therefore, should a complete crash happen I'm backed up to within an hour or so of crash time rather than the previous night. -Original Message- From: McGilligan, Sean [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 12:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Win2k backup and Exchange David, First,I would read the paper disaster recovery. Second,I would ask the question why can you not do full (normal) backups every day unless of course your data outstrips your tape size on each server. I think you are reading into differentials too deeply. Personally I would recommend Veritas Backupexec as NTBackup is a stripped down version albeit free, but again it comes down to the horses for courses and each person can tell a different story where backups are concerned. My reasoning is the restore times from testing are faster with Veritas. Whether you want to pay that much more is the question?. Yours sincerely, Sean McGilligan [ I realize there are no stupid questions but only stupid people who ask questions so I'll throw my hat into the stupid ring as this is probably very simple... I finally got my boss to buy a DLT drive exclusively for each of my Exchange 2000 servers. From all I've read here and elsewhere I decided to use NTBackup rather than ARCServe on my servers. I cannot, however, find a way to setup the backups correctly. I aim to do a nightly full backup at 11pm with differentials every two hours from 6am until 8pm when the tape would be replaced for that night's backup. I see in the backup wizard how to set the daily backup as a normal and how to schedule a second differential backup for only the information store at my selected times. However, the option to append rather than overwrite the media is grayed out on the differential. If this differential is going to overwrite the full backup then a single tape source for backup isn't feasible. I'm sure it is but I'm just missing something so anything you can offer would be appreciated. ] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] NOTICE: This e-mail message and any attachment to this e-mail message contains confidential information that may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not review, retransmit, convert to hard copy, copy, use or disseminate this e-mail or any attachments to it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately by return e-mail or by telephone at 954-764-6660 and delete this message. Please note that if this e-mail message contains a forwarded message or is a reply to a prior message, some or all of the contents of this message or any attachments may not have been produced by Ruden, McClosky, Smith, Schuster, Russell, P.A. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Win2k backup and Exchange
You've never heard of database logging have you? In the event of a restore, when the IS is restored and the transaction logs are replayed, you have lost nothing. You can restore right up to the point of failure. Therefore your use of Differentials is unwarranted D -Original Message- From: Michel, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 9:27 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Win2k backup and Exchange I have read it and I want to reiterate that I do plan on doing a nightly full backup. However, since the Exchange server has it's own tape backup system, I would also like to do differentials in addition to the full. Therefore, should a complete crash happen I'm backed up to within an hour or so of crash time rather than the previous night. -Original Message- From: McGilligan, Sean [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 12:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Win2k backup and Exchange David, First,I would read the paper disaster recovery. Second,I would ask the question why can you not do full (normal) backups every day unless of course your data outstrips your tape size on each server. I think you are reading into differentials too deeply. Personally I would recommend Veritas Backupexec as NTBackup is a stripped down version albeit free, but again it comes down to the horses for courses and each person can tell a different story where backups are concerned. My reasoning is the restore times from testing are faster with Veritas. Whether you want to pay that much more is the question?. Yours sincerely, Sean McGilligan [ I realize there are no stupid questions but only stupid people who ask questions so I'll throw my hat into the stupid ring as this is probably very simple... I finally got my boss to buy a DLT drive exclusively for each of my Exchange 2000 servers. From all I've read here and elsewhere I decided to use NTBackup rather than ARCServe on my servers. I cannot, however, find a way to setup the backups correctly. I aim to do a nightly full backup at 11pm with differentials every two hours from 6am until 8pm when the tape would be replaced for that night's backup. I see in the backup wizard how to set the daily backup as a normal and how to schedule a second differential backup for only the information store at my selected times. However, the option to append rather than overwrite the media is grayed out on the differential. If this differential is going to overwrite the full backup then a single tape source for backup isn't feasible. I'm sure it is but I'm just missing something so anything you can offer would be appreciated. ] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] NOTICE: This e-mail message and any attachment to this e-mail message contains confidential information that may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not review, retransmit, convert to hard copy, copy, use or disseminate this e-mail or any attachments to it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately by return e-mail or by telephone at 954-764-6660 and delete this message. Please note that if this e-mail message contains a forwarded message or is a reply to a prior message, some or all of the contents of this message or any attachments may not have been produced by Ruden, McClosky, Smith, Schuster, Russell, P.A. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Win2k backup and Exchange
you've not accounted for the transaction logs. full nightly backups will take care of your needs. -Original Message- From: Michel, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 9:27 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Win2k backup and Exchange I have read it and I want to reiterate that I do plan on doing a nightly full backup. However, since the Exchange server has it's own tape backup system, I would also like to do differentials in addition to the full. Therefore, should a complete crash happen I'm backed up to within an hour or so of crash time rather than the previous night. -Original Message- From: McGilligan, Sean [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 12:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Win2k backup and Exchange David, First,I would read the paper disaster recovery. Second,I would ask the question why can you not do full (normal) backups every day unless of course your data outstrips your tape size on each server. I think you are reading into differentials too deeply. Personally I would recommend Veritas Backupexec as NTBackup is a stripped down version albeit free, but again it comes down to the horses for courses and each person can tell a different story where backups are concerned. My reasoning is the restore times from testing are faster with Veritas. Whether you want to pay that much more is the question?. Yours sincerely, Sean McGilligan [ I realize there are no stupid questions but only stupid people who ask questions so I'll throw my hat into the stupid ring as this is probably very simple... I finally got my boss to buy a DLT drive exclusively for each of my Exchange 2000 servers. From all I've read here and elsewhere I decided to use NTBackup rather than ARCServe on my servers. I cannot, however, find a way to setup the backups correctly. I aim to do a nightly full backup at 11pm with differentials every two hours from 6am until 8pm when the tape would be replaced for that night's backup. I see in the backup wizard how to set the daily backup as a normal and how to schedule a second differential backup for only the information store at my selected times. However, the option to append rather than overwrite the media is grayed out on the differential. If this differential is going to overwrite the full backup then a single tape source for backup isn't feasible. I'm sure it is but I'm just missing something so anything you can offer would be appreciated. ] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] NOTICE: This e-mail message and any attachment to this e-mail message contains confidential information that may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not review, retransmit, convert to hard copy, copy, use or disseminate this e-mail or any attachments to it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately by return e-mail or by telephone at 954-764-6660 and delete this message. Please note that if this e-mail message contains a forwarded message or is a reply to a prior message, some or all of the contents of this message or any attachments may not have been produced by Ruden, McClosky, Smith, Schuster, Russell, P.A. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Win2k backup and Exchange
READ IT. Learn it. Love it. Tell it nice things. Sleep with it under you pillow 5.5 DR white paper http://www.microsoft.com/Exchange/techinfo/administration/55/BackupResto re.asp 2k DR white paper http://www.microsoft.com/Exchange/techinfo/deployment/2000/e2krecovery.a sp --Kevinm M, WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA, And Beyond Drive thru Admin, Would you like Fries with that? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Don Ely Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 9:26 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Win2k backup and Exchange You've never heard of database logging have you? In the event of a restore, when the IS is restored and the transaction logs are replayed, you have lost nothing. You can restore right up to the point of failure. Therefore your use of Differentials is unwarranted D -Original Message- From: Michel, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 9:27 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Win2k backup and Exchange I have read it and I want to reiterate that I do plan on doing a nightly full backup. However, since the Exchange server has it's own tape backup system, I would also like to do differentials in addition to the full. Therefore, should a complete crash happen I'm backed up to within an hour or so of crash time rather than the previous night. -Original Message- From: McGilligan, Sean [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 12:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Win2k backup and Exchange David, First,I would read the paper disaster recovery. Second,I would ask the question why can you not do full (normal) backups every day unless of course your data outstrips your tape size on each server. I think you are reading into differentials too deeply. Personally I would recommend Veritas Backupexec as NTBackup is a stripped down version albeit free, but again it comes down to the horses for courses and each person can tell a different story where backups are concerned. My reasoning is the restore times from testing are faster with Veritas. Whether you want to pay that much more is the question?. Yours sincerely, Sean McGilligan [ I realize there are no stupid questions but only stupid people who ask questions so I'll throw my hat into the stupid ring as this is probably very simple... I finally got my boss to buy a DLT drive exclusively for each of my Exchange 2000 servers. From all I've read here and elsewhere I decided to use NTBackup rather than ARCServe on my servers. I cannot, however, find a way to setup the backups correctly. I aim to do a nightly full backup at 11pm with differentials every two hours from 6am until 8pm when the tape would be replaced for that night's backup. I see in the backup wizard how to set the daily backup as a normal and how to schedule a second differential backup for only the information store at my selected times. However, the option to append rather than overwrite the media is grayed out on the differential. If this differential is going to overwrite the full backup then a single tape source for backup isn't feasible. I'm sure it is but I'm just missing something so anything you can offer would be appreciated. ] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] NOTICE: This e-mail message and any attachment to this e-mail message contains confidential information that may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not review, retransmit, convert to hard copy, copy, use or disseminate this e-mail or any attachments to it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately by return e-mail or by telephone at 954-764-6660 and delete this message. Please note that if this e-mail message contains a forwarded message or is a reply to a prior message, some or all of the contents of this message or any attachments may not have been produced by Ruden, McClosky, Smith, Schuster, Russell, P.A. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
RE: Win2k backup and Exchange
Geee That's the second time in a week we've seen these links. I wonder why that is... ;o) D -Original Message- From: Kevin Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 9:36 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Win2k backup and Exchange READ IT. Learn it. Love it. Tell it nice things. Sleep with it under you pillow 5.5 DR white paper http://www.microsoft.com/Exchange/techinfo/administration/55/BackupResto re.asp 2k DR white paper http://www.microsoft.com/Exchange/techinfo/deployment/2000/e2krecovery.a sp --Kevinm M, WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA, And Beyond Drive thru Admin, Would you like Fries with that? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Don Ely Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 9:26 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Win2k backup and Exchange You've never heard of database logging have you? In the event of a restore, when the IS is restored and the transaction logs are replayed, you have lost nothing. You can restore right up to the point of failure. Therefore your use of Differentials is unwarranted D -Original Message- From: Michel, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 9:27 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Win2k backup and Exchange I have read it and I want to reiterate that I do plan on doing a nightly full backup. However, since the Exchange server has it's own tape backup system, I would also like to do differentials in addition to the full. Therefore, should a complete crash happen I'm backed up to within an hour or so of crash time rather than the previous night. -Original Message- From: McGilligan, Sean [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 12:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Win2k backup and Exchange David, First,I would read the paper disaster recovery. Second,I would ask the question why can you not do full (normal) backups every day unless of course your data outstrips your tape size on each server. I think you are reading into differentials too deeply. Personally I would recommend Veritas Backupexec as NTBackup is a stripped down version albeit free, but again it comes down to the horses for courses and each person can tell a different story where backups are concerned. My reasoning is the restore times from testing are faster with Veritas. Whether you want to pay that much more is the question?. Yours sincerely, Sean McGilligan [ I realize there are no stupid questions but only stupid people who ask questions so I'll throw my hat into the stupid ring as this is probably very simple... I finally got my boss to buy a DLT drive exclusively for each of my Exchange 2000 servers. From all I've read here and elsewhere I decided to use NTBackup rather than ARCServe on my servers. I cannot, however, find a way to setup the backups correctly. I aim to do a nightly full backup at 11pm with differentials every two hours from 6am until 8pm when the tape would be replaced for that night's backup. I see in the backup wizard how to set the daily backup as a normal and how to schedule a second differential backup for only the information store at my selected times. However, the option to append rather than overwrite the media is grayed out on the differential. If this differential is going to overwrite the full backup then a single tape source for backup isn't feasible. I'm sure it is but I'm just missing something so anything you can offer would be appreciated. ] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] NOTICE: This e-mail message and any attachment to this e-mail message contains confidential information that may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not review, retransmit, convert to hard copy, copy, use or disseminate this e-mail or any attachments to it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately by return e-mail or by telephone at 954-764-6660 and delete this message. Please note that if this e-mail message contains a forwarded message or is a reply to a prior message, some or all of the contents of this message or any attachments may not have been produced by Ruden, McClosky, Smith, Schuster, Russell, P.A. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch
RE: Win2k backup and Exchange
Because they are the Shiznit. -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 9:32 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Win2k backup and Exchange Geee That's the second time in a week we've seen these links. I wonder why that is... ;o) D -Original Message- From: Kevin Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 9:36 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Win2k backup and Exchange READ IT. Learn it. Love it. Tell it nice things. Sleep with it under you pillow 5.5 DR white paper http://www.microsoft.com/Exchange/techinfo/administration/55/BackupResto re.asp 2k DR white paper http://www.microsoft.com/Exchange/techinfo/deployment/2000/e2krecovery.a sp --Kevinm M, WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA, And Beyond Drive thru Admin, Would you like Fries with that? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Don Ely Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 9:26 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Win2k backup and Exchange You've never heard of database logging have you? In the event of a restore, when the IS is restored and the transaction logs are replayed, you have lost nothing. You can restore right up to the point of failure. Therefore your use of Differentials is unwarranted D -Original Message- From: Michel, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 9:27 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Win2k backup and Exchange I have read it and I want to reiterate that I do plan on doing a nightly full backup. However, since the Exchange server has it's own tape backup system, I would also like to do differentials in addition to the full. Therefore, should a complete crash happen I'm backed up to within an hour or so of crash time rather than the previous night. -Original Message- From: McGilligan, Sean [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 12:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Win2k backup and Exchange David, First,I would read the paper disaster recovery. Second,I would ask the question why can you not do full (normal) backups every day unless of course your data outstrips your tape size on each server. I think you are reading into differentials too deeply. Personally I would recommend Veritas Backupexec as NTBackup is a stripped down version albeit free, but again it comes down to the horses for courses and each person can tell a different story where backups are concerned. My reasoning is the restore times from testing are faster with Veritas. Whether you want to pay that much more is the question?. Yours sincerely, Sean McGilligan [ I realize there are no stupid questions but only stupid people who ask questions so I'll throw my hat into the stupid ring as this is probably very simple... I finally got my boss to buy a DLT drive exclusively for each of my Exchange 2000 servers. From all I've read here and elsewhere I decided to use NTBackup rather than ARCServe on my servers. I cannot, however, find a way to setup the backups correctly. I aim to do a nightly full backup at 11pm with differentials every two hours from 6am until 8pm when the tape would be replaced for that night's backup. I see in the backup wizard how to set the daily backup as a normal and how to schedule a second differential backup for only the information store at my selected times. However, the option to append rather than overwrite the media is grayed out on the differential. If this differential is going to overwrite the full backup then a single tape source for backup isn't feasible. I'm sure it is but I'm just missing something so anything you can offer would be appreciated. ] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] NOTICE: This e-mail message and any attachment to this e-mail message contains confidential information that may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not review, retransmit, convert to hard copy, copy, use or disseminate this e-mail or any attachments to it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately by return e-mail or by telephone at 954-764-6660 and delete this message. Please note that if this e-mail message contains a forwarded message or is a reply to a prior message, some or all of the contents of this message or any attachments may not have been produced by Ruden, McClosky, Smith, Schuster, Russell, P.A. _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL
RE: Win2k backup and Exchange
Could it ... Because everyone should read then don? And the fact that I have them at the top of my links to email file. --Kevinm M, WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA, And Beyond Drive thru Admin, Would you like Fries with that? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Don Ely Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 9:32 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Win2k backup and Exchange Geee That's the second time in a week we've seen these links. I wonder why that is... ;o) D -Original Message- From: Kevin Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 9:36 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Win2k backup and Exchange READ IT. Learn it. Love it. Tell it nice things. Sleep with it under you pillow 5.5 DR white paper http://www.microsoft.com/Exchange/techinfo/administration/55/BackupResto re.asp 2k DR white paper http://www.microsoft.com/Exchange/techinfo/deployment/2000/e2krecovery.a sp --Kevinm M, WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA, And Beyond Drive thru Admin, Would you like Fries with that? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Don Ely Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 9:26 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Win2k backup and Exchange You've never heard of database logging have you? In the event of a restore, when the IS is restored and the transaction logs are replayed, you have lost nothing. You can restore right up to the point of failure. Therefore your use of Differentials is unwarranted D -Original Message- From: Michel, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 9:27 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Win2k backup and Exchange I have read it and I want to reiterate that I do plan on doing a nightly full backup. However, since the Exchange server has it's own tape backup system, I would also like to do differentials in addition to the full. Therefore, should a complete crash happen I'm backed up to within an hour or so of crash time rather than the previous night. -Original Message- From: McGilligan, Sean [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 12:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Win2k backup and Exchange David, First,I would read the paper disaster recovery. Second,I would ask the question why can you not do full (normal) backups every day unless of course your data outstrips your tape size on each server. I think you are reading into differentials too deeply. Personally I would recommend Veritas Backupexec as NTBackup is a stripped down version albeit free, but again it comes down to the horses for courses and each person can tell a different story where backups are concerned. My reasoning is the restore times from testing are faster with Veritas. Whether you want to pay that much more is the question?. Yours sincerely, Sean McGilligan [ I realize there are no stupid questions but only stupid people who ask questions so I'll throw my hat into the stupid ring as this is probably very simple... I finally got my boss to buy a DLT drive exclusively for each of my Exchange 2000 servers. From all I've read here and elsewhere I decided to use NTBackup rather than ARCServe on my servers. I cannot, however, find a way to setup the backups correctly. I aim to do a nightly full backup at 11pm with differentials every two hours from 6am until 8pm when the tape would be replaced for that night's backup. I see in the backup wizard how to set the daily backup as a normal and how to schedule a second differential backup for only the information store at my selected times. However, the option to append rather than overwrite the media is grayed out on the differential. If this differential is going to overwrite the full backup then a single tape source for backup isn't feasible. I'm sure it is but I'm just missing something so anything you can offer would be appreciated. ] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] NOTICE: This e-mail message and any attachment to this e-mail message contains confidential information that may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not review, retransmit, convert to hard copy, copy, use or disseminate this e-mail or any attachments to it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately by return e-mail or by telephone at 954-764-6660 and delete this message. Please note that if this e-mail message contains a forwarded message or is a reply to a prior message, some or all of the contents of this message or any attachments may not have been produced by Ruden, McClosky, Smith, Schuster, Russell, P.A
RE: Win2k backup and Exchange
H. What a novel concept! Actually reading documents that have been placed out there for our perusal to make our jobs easier. Who'd a thunk it? D -Original Message- From: Kevin Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 9:42 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Win2k backup and Exchange Could it ... Because everyone should read then don? And the fact that I have them at the top of my links to email file. --Kevinm M, WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA, And Beyond Drive thru Admin, Would you like Fries with that? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Don Ely Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 9:32 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Win2k backup and Exchange Geee That's the second time in a week we've seen these links. I wonder why that is... ;o) D -Original Message- From: Kevin Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 9:36 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Win2k backup and Exchange READ IT. Learn it. Love it. Tell it nice things. Sleep with it under you pillow 5.5 DR white paper http://www.microsoft.com/Exchange/techinfo/administration/55/BackupResto re.asp 2k DR white paper http://www.microsoft.com/Exchange/techinfo/deployment/2000/e2krecovery.a sp --Kevinm M, WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA, And Beyond Drive thru Admin, Would you like Fries with that? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Don Ely Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 9:26 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Win2k backup and Exchange You've never heard of database logging have you? In the event of a restore, when the IS is restored and the transaction logs are replayed, you have lost nothing. You can restore right up to the point of failure. Therefore your use of Differentials is unwarranted D -Original Message- From: Michel, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 9:27 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Win2k backup and Exchange I have read it and I want to reiterate that I do plan on doing a nightly full backup. However, since the Exchange server has it's own tape backup system, I would also like to do differentials in addition to the full. Therefore, should a complete crash happen I'm backed up to within an hour or so of crash time rather than the previous night. -Original Message- From: McGilligan, Sean [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 12:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Win2k backup and Exchange David, First,I would read the paper disaster recovery. Second,I would ask the question why can you not do full (normal) backups every day unless of course your data outstrips your tape size on each server. I think you are reading into differentials too deeply. Personally I would recommend Veritas Backupexec as NTBackup is a stripped down version albeit free, but again it comes down to the horses for courses and each person can tell a different story where backups are concerned. My reasoning is the restore times from testing are faster with Veritas. Whether you want to pay that much more is the question?. Yours sincerely, Sean McGilligan [ I realize there are no stupid questions but only stupid people who ask questions so I'll throw my hat into the stupid ring as this is probably very simple... I finally got my boss to buy a DLT drive exclusively for each of my Exchange 2000 servers. From all I've read here and elsewhere I decided to use NTBackup rather than ARCServe on my servers. I cannot, however, find a way to setup the backups correctly. I aim to do a nightly full backup at 11pm with differentials every two hours from 6am until 8pm when the tape would be replaced for that night's backup. I see in the backup wizard how to set the daily backup as a normal and how to schedule a second differential backup for only the information store at my selected times. However, the option to append rather than overwrite the media is grayed out on the differential. If this differential is going to overwrite the full backup then a single tape source for backup isn't feasible. I'm sure it is but I'm just missing something so anything you can offer would be appreciated. ] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] NOTICE: This e-mail message and any attachment to this e-mail message contains confidential information that may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not review, retransmit, convert to hard copy, copy, use or disseminate this e-mail or any attachments to it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately by return e-mail or by telephone at 954-764-6660
RE: Win2k backup and Exchange
I keep a copy of it printed and on top of my recovery box. -Original Message- From: Kevin Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 9:42 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Win2k backup and Exchange Could it ... Because everyone should read then don? And the fact that I have them at the top of my links to email file. --Kevinm M, WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA, And Beyond Drive thru Admin, Would you like Fries with that? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Don Ely Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 9:32 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Win2k backup and Exchange Geee That's the second time in a week we've seen these links. I wonder why that is... ;o) D -Original Message- From: Kevin Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 9:36 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Win2k backup and Exchange READ IT. Learn it. Love it. Tell it nice things. Sleep with it under you pillow 5.5 DR white paper http://www.microsoft.com/Exchange/techinfo/administration/55/BackupResto re.asp 2k DR white paper http://www.microsoft.com/Exchange/techinfo/deployment/2000/e2krecovery.a sp --Kevinm M, WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA, And Beyond Drive thru Admin, Would you like Fries with that? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Don Ely Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 9:26 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Win2k backup and Exchange You've never heard of database logging have you? In the event of a restore, when the IS is restored and the transaction logs are replayed, you have lost nothing. You can restore right up to the point of failure. Therefore your use of Differentials is unwarranted D -Original Message- From: Michel, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 9:27 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Win2k backup and Exchange I have read it and I want to reiterate that I do plan on doing a nightly full backup. However, since the Exchange server has it's own tape backup system, I would also like to do differentials in addition to the full. Therefore, should a complete crash happen I'm backed up to within an hour or so of crash time rather than the previous night. -Original Message- From: McGilligan, Sean [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 12:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Win2k backup and Exchange David, First,I would read the paper disaster recovery. Second,I would ask the question why can you not do full (normal) backups every day unless of course your data outstrips your tape size on each server. I think you are reading into differentials too deeply. Personally I would recommend Veritas Backupexec as NTBackup is a stripped down version albeit free, but again it comes down to the horses for courses and each person can tell a different story where backups are concerned. My reasoning is the restore times from testing are faster with Veritas. Whether you want to pay that much more is the question?. Yours sincerely, Sean McGilligan [ I realize there are no stupid questions but only stupid people who ask questions so I'll throw my hat into the stupid ring as this is probably very simple... I finally got my boss to buy a DLT drive exclusively for each of my Exchange 2000 servers. From all I've read here and elsewhere I decided to use NTBackup rather than ARCServe on my servers. I cannot, however, find a way to setup the backups correctly. I aim to do a nightly full backup at 11pm with differentials every two hours from 6am until 8pm when the tape would be replaced for that night's backup. I see in the backup wizard how to set the daily backup as a normal and how to schedule a second differential backup for only the information store at my selected times. However, the option to append rather than overwrite the media is grayed out on the differential. If this differential is going to overwrite the full backup then a single tape source for backup isn't feasible. I'm sure it is but I'm just missing something so anything you can offer would be appreciated. ] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] NOTICE: This e-mail message and any attachment to this e-mail message contains confidential information that may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not review, retransmit, convert to hard copy, copy, use or disseminate this e-mail or any attachments to it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately by return e-mail or by telephone at 954-764-6660 and delete this message. Please note that if this e-mail message contains a forwarded message
RE: Win2k backup and Exchange
I think William invented it? --Kevinm M, WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA, And Beyond Drive thru Admin, Would you like Fries with that? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Don Ely Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 9:46 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Win2k backup and Exchange H. What a novel concept! Actually reading documents that have been placed out there for our perusal to make our jobs easier. Who'd a thunk it? D -Original Message- From: Kevin Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 9:42 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Win2k backup and Exchange Could it ... Because everyone should read then don? And the fact that I have them at the top of my links to email file. --Kevinm M, WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA, And Beyond Drive thru Admin, Would you like Fries with that? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Don Ely Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 9:32 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Win2k backup and Exchange Geee That's the second time in a week we've seen these links. I wonder why that is... ;o) D -Original Message- From: Kevin Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 9:36 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Win2k backup and Exchange READ IT. Learn it. Love it. Tell it nice things. Sleep with it under you pillow 5.5 DR white paper http://www.microsoft.com/Exchange/techinfo/administration/55/BackupResto re.asp 2k DR white paper http://www.microsoft.com/Exchange/techinfo/deployment/2000/e2krecovery.a sp --Kevinm M, WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA, And Beyond Drive thru Admin, Would you like Fries with that? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Don Ely Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 9:26 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Win2k backup and Exchange You've never heard of database logging have you? In the event of a restore, when the IS is restored and the transaction logs are replayed, you have lost nothing. You can restore right up to the point of failure. Therefore your use of Differentials is unwarranted D -Original Message- From: Michel, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 9:27 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Win2k backup and Exchange I have read it and I want to reiterate that I do plan on doing a nightly full backup. However, since the Exchange server has it's own tape backup system, I would also like to do differentials in addition to the full. Therefore, should a complete crash happen I'm backed up to within an hour or so of crash time rather than the previous night. -Original Message- From: McGilligan, Sean [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 12:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Win2k backup and Exchange David, First,I would read the paper disaster recovery. Second,I would ask the question why can you not do full (normal) backups every day unless of course your data outstrips your tape size on each server. I think you are reading into differentials too deeply. Personally I would recommend Veritas Backupexec as NTBackup is a stripped down version albeit free, but again it comes down to the horses for courses and each person can tell a different story where backups are concerned. My reasoning is the restore times from testing are faster with Veritas. Whether you want to pay that much more is the question?. Yours sincerely, Sean McGilligan [ I realize there are no stupid questions but only stupid people who ask questions so I'll throw my hat into the stupid ring as this is probably very simple... I finally got my boss to buy a DLT drive exclusively for each of my Exchange 2000 servers. From all I've read here and elsewhere I decided to use NTBackup rather than ARCServe on my servers. I cannot, however, find a way to setup the backups correctly. I aim to do a nightly full backup at 11pm with differentials every two hours from 6am until 8pm when the tape would be replaced for that night's backup. I see in the backup wizard how to set the daily backup as a normal and how to schedule a second differential backup for only the information store at my selected times. However, the option to append rather than overwrite the media is grayed out on the differential. If this differential is going to overwrite the full backup then a single tape source for backup isn't feasible. I'm sure it is but I'm just missing something so anything you can offer would be appreciated. ] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] NOTICE: This e-mail message and any attachment to this e-mail message contains
RE: Win2k backup and Exchange
Reading? What's that? Documents? Where am I? :) T. -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 12:46 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Win2k backup and Exchange H. What a novel concept! Actually reading documents that have been placed out there for our perusal to make our jobs easier. Who'd a thunk it? D -Original Message- From: Kevin Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 9:42 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Win2k backup and Exchange Could it ... Because everyone should read then don? And the fact that I have them at the top of my links to email file. --Kevinm M, WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA, And Beyond Drive thru Admin, Would you like Fries with that? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Don Ely Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 9:32 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Win2k backup and Exchange Geee That's the second time in a week we've seen these links. I wonder why that is... ;o) D -Original Message- From: Kevin Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 9:36 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Win2k backup and Exchange READ IT. Learn it. Love it. Tell it nice things. Sleep with it under you pillow 5.5 DR white paper http://www.microsoft.com/Exchange/techinfo/administration/55/BackupResto re.asp 2k DR white paper http://www.microsoft.com/Exchange/techinfo/deployment/2000/e2krecovery.a sp --Kevinm M, WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA, And Beyond Drive thru Admin, Would you like Fries with that? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Don Ely Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 9:26 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Win2k backup and Exchange You've never heard of database logging have you? In the event of a restore, when the IS is restored and the transaction logs are replayed, you have lost nothing. You can restore right up to the point of failure. Therefore your use of Differentials is unwarranted D -Original Message- From: Michel, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 9:27 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Win2k backup and Exchange I have read it and I want to reiterate that I do plan on doing a nightly full backup. However, since the Exchange server has it's own tape backup system, I would also like to do differentials in addition to the full. Therefore, should a complete crash happen I'm backed up to within an hour or so of crash time rather than the previous night. -Original Message- From: McGilligan, Sean [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 12:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Win2k backup and Exchange David, First,I would read the paper disaster recovery. Second,I would ask the question why can you not do full (normal) backups every day unless of course your data outstrips your tape size on each server. I think you are reading into differentials too deeply. Personally I would recommend Veritas Backupexec as NTBackup is a stripped down version albeit free, but again it comes down to the horses for courses and each person can tell a different story where backups are concerned. My reasoning is the restore times from testing are faster with Veritas. Whether you want to pay that much more is the question?. Yours sincerely, Sean McGilligan [ I realize there are no stupid questions but only stupid people who ask questions so I'll throw my hat into the stupid ring as this is probably very simple... I finally got my boss to buy a DLT drive exclusively for each of my Exchange 2000 servers. From all I've read here and elsewhere I decided to use NTBackup rather than ARCServe on my servers. I cannot, however, find a way to setup the backups correctly. I aim to do a nightly full backup at 11pm with differentials every two hours from 6am until 8pm when the tape would be replaced for that night's backup. I see in the backup wizard how to set the daily backup as a normal and how to schedule a second differential backup for only the information store at my selected times. However, the option to append rather than overwrite the media is grayed out on the differential. If this differential is going to overwrite the full backup then a single tape source for backup isn't feasible. I'm sure it is but I'm just missing something so anything you can offer would be appreciated. ] _ List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Exchange List admin:[EMAIL PROTECTED] NOTICE: This e-mail message and any attachment to this e-mail message contains confidential information that may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you must
RE: Win2k backup and Exchange
As much as I appreciate multiple links and sarcastic comments, I do not see anywhere in the whitepaper from either 5.5 or 2000 on how you can roll logs forward IF THE LOGS AREN'T THERE... Have you ever heard of a full system crash? Although I admit it is much less likely than any other type of failure it is still possible to lose the entire server, isn't it? And if it is, the logs you are so fond of referring to will be about as useful as your sarcasm. If you ever have the misfortune to work for lawyers you will find that there are certain things you do and deal with and a full system daily backup which is as up-to-date as possible is an absolute requirement. That is the reason that I am asking and why I feel my use of differentials is warranted. If I am not mistaken, a tape of any sort is only going to be as useful as the last information written to it if that is the only source of data, is it not? Therefore, a full server crash in the late afternoon with only last night's full backup leaves you SOL for almost a full day's work. However, if I am incorrect in my assumption that a tape which contains a full backup along with differential backups will allow me to rebuild my server completely and restore it to the point of the last differential then I would honestly be interested in hearing why. Furthermore, if there is a way to restore and roll the logs should the server that the logs were on be completely dead using just a full backup from the night before than I retract all sarcasm on my part and look forward to hearing how that process would work. -Original Message- From: Kevin Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 12:36 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Win2k backup and Exchange READ IT. Learn it. Love it. Tell it nice things. Sleep with it under you pillow 5.5 DR white paper http://www.microsoft.com/Exchange/techinfo/administration/55/BackupResto re.asp 2k DR white paper http://www.microsoft.com/Exchange/techinfo/deployment/2000/e2krecovery.a sp --Kevinm M, WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA, And Beyond Drive thru Admin, Would you like Fries with that? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Don Ely Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 9:26 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Win2k backup and Exchange You've never heard of database logging have you? In the event of a restore, when the IS is restored and the transaction logs are replayed, you have lost nothing. You can restore right up to the point of failure. Therefore your use of Differentials is unwarranted D -Original Message- From: Michel, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 9:27 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Win2k backup and Exchange I have read it and I want to reiterate that I do plan on doing a nightly full backup. However, since the Exchange server has it's own tape backup system, I would also like to do differentials in addition to the full. Therefore, should a complete crash happen I'm backed up to within an hour or so of crash time rather than the previous night. -Original Message- From: McGilligan, Sean [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 12:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Win2k backup and Exchange David, First,I would read the paper disaster recovery. Second,I would ask the question why can you not do full (normal) backups every day unless of course your data outstrips your tape size on each server. I think you are reading into differentials too deeply. Personally I would recommend Veritas Backupexec as NTBackup is a stripped down version albeit free, but again it comes down to the horses for courses and each person can tell a different story where backups are concerned. My reasoning is the restore times from testing are faster with Veritas. Whether you want to pay that much more is the question?. Yours sincerely, Sean McGilligan [ I realize there are no stupid questions but only stupid people who ask questions so I'll throw my hat into the stupid ring as this is probably very simple... I finally got my boss to buy a DLT drive exclusively for each of my Exchange 2000 servers. From all I've read here and elsewhere I decided to use NTBackup rather than ARCServe on my servers. I cannot, however, find a way to setup the backups correctly. I aim to do a nightly full backup at 11pm with differentials every two hours from 6am until 8pm when the tape would be replaced for that night's backup. I see in the backup wizard how to set the daily backup as a normal and how to schedule a second differential backup for only the information store at my selected times. However, the option to append rather than overwrite the media is grayed out on the differential. If this differential is going to overwrite the full backup then a single tape source for backup isn't feasible. I'm sure it is but I'm just missing something so anything you can offer
RE: Win2k backup and Exchange
If your backups are so damn important, why do you use some crappy a$$ backup product like ArcCrap? If your lawyers want so much out of so little, why don't you explain to them that in order to reach their desired goal, they will have to spend some coin to accomplish this? Might I suggest CommVault Galaxy? Having nightly full backups or differentials will give you no love in a entire server crash. Is your system so unstable that it crashes that frequently? Would you not see a full-blown crash coming if you were performing periodic system maintenance? I would see it, I have seen it... I've done many disaster recoveries in my time and most every time, I have been able to recover every piece of mail. Exactly, what kind of service are these lawyers expecting? Are you planning on keeping backups up to date within the hour or something? Again, why are you not using a REAL backup solution if your data is sooo sensitive and your needs so great? Sounds to me like someone told these lawyers they could offer a high level SLA with a very poor plan in place... Just my opinion of course... I know what I can offer and how I will offer it though... -Original Message- From: Michel, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 10:40 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Win2k backup and Exchange As much as I appreciate multiple links and sarcastic comments, I do not see anywhere in the whitepaper from either 5.5 or 2000 on how you can roll logs forward IF THE LOGS AREN'T THERE... Have you ever heard of a full system crash? Although I admit it is much less likely than any other type of failure it is still possible to lose the entire server, isn't it? And if it is, the logs you are so fond of referring to will be about as useful as your sarcasm. If you ever have the misfortune to work for lawyers you will find that there are certain things you do and deal with and a full system daily backup which is as up-to-date as possible is an absolute requirement. That is the reason that I am asking and why I feel my use of differentials is warranted. If I am not mistaken, a tape of any sort is only going to be as useful as the last information written to it if that is the only source of data, is it not? Therefore, a full server crash in the late afternoon with only last night's full backup leaves you SOL for almost a full day's work. However, if I am incorrect in my assumption that a tape which contains a full backup along with differential backups will allow me to rebuild my server completely and restore it to the point of the last differential then I would honestly be interested in hearing why. Furthermore, if there is a way to restore and roll the logs should the server that the logs were on be completely dead using just a full backup from the night before than I retract all sarcasm on my part and look forward to hearing how that process would work. -Original Message- From: Kevin Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 12:36 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Win2k backup and Exchange READ IT. Learn it. Love it. Tell it nice things. Sleep with it under you pillow 5.5 DR white paper http://www.microsoft.com/Exchange/techinfo/administration/55/BackupResto re.asp 2k DR white paper http://www.microsoft.com/Exchange/techinfo/deployment/2000/e2krecovery.a sp --Kevinm M, WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA, And Beyond Drive thru Admin, Would you like Fries with that? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Don Ely Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 9:26 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Win2k backup and Exchange You've never heard of database logging have you? In the event of a restore, when the IS is restored and the transaction logs are replayed, you have lost nothing. You can restore right up to the point of failure. Therefore your use of Differentials is unwarranted D -Original Message- From: Michel, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 9:27 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Win2k backup and Exchange I have read it and I want to reiterate that I do plan on doing a nightly full backup. However, since the Exchange server has it's own tape backup system, I would also like to do differentials in addition to the full. Therefore, should a complete crash happen I'm backed up to within an hour or so of crash time rather than the previous night. -Original Message- From: McGilligan, Sean [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 12:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Win2k backup and Exchange David, First,I would read the paper disaster recovery. Second,I would ask the question why can you not do full (normal) backups every day unless of course your data outstrips your tape size on each server. I think you are reading into differentials too deeply. Personally I would recommend Veritas Backupexec as NTBackup
RE: Win2k backup and Exchange
You simply put your log files on a separate physical disk from the store. -Original Message- From: Michel, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 1:40 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Win2k backup and Exchange As much as I appreciate multiple links and sarcastic comments, I do not see anywhere in the whitepaper from either 5.5 or 2000 on how you can roll logs forward IF THE LOGS AREN'T THERE... Have you ever heard of a full system crash? Although I admit it is much less likely than any other type of failure it is still possible to lose the entire server, isn't it? And if it is, the logs you are so fond of referring to will be about as useful as your sarcasm. If you ever have the misfortune to work for lawyers you will find that there are certain things you do and deal with and a full system daily backup which is as up-to-date as possible is an absolute requirement. That is the reason that I am asking and why I feel my use of differentials is warranted. If I am not mistaken, a tape of any sort is only going to be as useful as the last information written to it if that is the only source of data, is it not? Therefore, a full server crash in the late afternoon with only last night's full backup leaves you SOL for almost a full day's work. However, if I am incorrect in my assumption that a tape which contains a full backup along with differential backups will allow me to rebuild my server completely and restore it to the point of the last differential then I would honestly be interested in hearing why. Furthermore, if there is a way to restore and roll the logs should the server that the logs were on be completely dead using just a full backup from the night before than I retract all sarcasm on my part and look forward to hearing how that process would work. -Original Message- From: Kevin Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 12:36 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Win2k backup and Exchange READ IT. Learn it. Love it. Tell it nice things. Sleep with it under you pillow 5.5 DR white paper http://www.microsoft.com/Exchange/techinfo/administration/55/BackupResto re.asp 2k DR white paper http://www.microsoft.com/Exchange/techinfo/deployment/2000/e2krecovery.a sp --Kevinm M, WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA, And Beyond Drive thru Admin, Would you like Fries with that? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Don Ely Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 9:26 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Win2k backup and Exchange You've never heard of database logging have you? In the event of a restore, when the IS is restored and the transaction logs are replayed, you have lost nothing. You can restore right up to the point of failure. Therefore your use of Differentials is unwarranted D -Original Message- From: Michel, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 9:27 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Win2k backup and Exchange I have read it and I want to reiterate that I do plan on doing a nightly full backup. However, since the Exchange server has it's own tape backup system, I would also like to do differentials in addition to the full. Therefore, should a complete crash happen I'm backed up to within an hour or so of crash time rather than the previous night. -Original Message- From: McGilligan, Sean [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 12:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Win2k backup and Exchange David, First,I would read the paper disaster recovery. Second,I would ask the question why can you not do full (normal) backups every day unless of course your data outstrips your tape size on each server. I think you are reading into differentials too deeply. Personally I would recommend Veritas Backupexec as NTBackup is a stripped down version albeit free, but again it comes down to the horses for courses and each person can tell a different story where backups are concerned. My reasoning is the restore times from testing are faster with Veritas. Whether you want to pay that much more is the question?. Yours sincerely, Sean McGilligan [ I realize there are no stupid questions but only stupid people who ask questions so I'll throw my hat into the stupid ring as this is probably very simple... I finally got my boss to buy a DLT drive exclusively for each of my Exchange 2000 servers. From all I've read here and elsewhere I decided to use NTBackup rather than ARCServe on my servers. I cannot, however, find a way to setup the backups correctly. I aim to do a nightly full backup at 11pm with differentials every two hours from 6am until 8pm when the tape would be replaced for that night's backup. I see in the backup wizard how to set the daily backup as a normal and how to schedule a second differential backup for only the information store at my selected times. However, the option to append
RE: Win2k backup and Exchange
I think our friend is assuming his entire server died. In which case, he'd be what I would consider a reactive admin versus a proactive admin... Servers don't just crash David. There is always something that leads up to the crash and with real hardware in place such as Compaq, Dell, or otherwise, you will get some kind of indication ahead of time that disaster is near. As Ken mentioned, log files should always be on another spindle unless there are some financial constraints. Being that these lawyers are requiring so much, they should be willing to spend a little cheddar to get the right tools in place to accomplish the task at hand. D -Original Message- From: Ken Cornetet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 11:03 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Win2k backup and Exchange You simply put your log files on a separate physical disk from the store. -Original Message- From: Michel, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 1:40 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Win2k backup and Exchange As much as I appreciate multiple links and sarcastic comments, I do not see anywhere in the whitepaper from either 5.5 or 2000 on how you can roll logs forward IF THE LOGS AREN'T THERE... Have you ever heard of a full system crash? Although I admit it is much less likely than any other type of failure it is still possible to lose the entire server, isn't it? And if it is, the logs you are so fond of referring to will be about as useful as your sarcasm. If you ever have the misfortune to work for lawyers you will find that there are certain things you do and deal with and a full system daily backup which is as up-to-date as possible is an absolute requirement. That is the reason that I am asking and why I feel my use of differentials is warranted. If I am not mistaken, a tape of any sort is only going to be as useful as the last information written to it if that is the only source of data, is it not? Therefore, a full server crash in the late afternoon with only last night's full backup leaves you SOL for almost a full day's work. However, if I am incorrect in my assumption that a tape which contains a full backup along with differential backups will allow me to rebuild my server completely and restore it to the point of the last differential then I would honestly be interested in hearing why. Furthermore, if there is a way to restore and roll the logs should the server that the logs were on be completely dead using just a full backup from the night before than I retract all sarcasm on my part and look forward to hearing how that process would work. -Original Message- From: Kevin Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 12:36 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Win2k backup and Exchange READ IT. Learn it. Love it. Tell it nice things. Sleep with it under you pillow 5.5 DR white paper http://www.microsoft.com/Exchange/techinfo/administration/55/BackupResto re.asp 2k DR white paper http://www.microsoft.com/Exchange/techinfo/deployment/2000/e2krecovery.a sp --Kevinm M, WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA, And Beyond Drive thru Admin, Would you like Fries with that? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Don Ely Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 9:26 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Win2k backup and Exchange You've never heard of database logging have you? In the event of a restore, when the IS is restored and the transaction logs are replayed, you have lost nothing. You can restore right up to the point of failure. Therefore your use of Differentials is unwarranted D -Original Message- From: Michel, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 9:27 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Win2k backup and Exchange I have read it and I want to reiterate that I do plan on doing a nightly full backup. However, since the Exchange server has it's own tape backup system, I would also like to do differentials in addition to the full. Therefore, should a complete crash happen I'm backed up to within an hour or so of crash time rather than the previous night. -Original Message- From: McGilligan, Sean [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 12:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Win2k backup and Exchange David, First,I would read the paper disaster recovery. Second,I would ask the question why can you not do full (normal) backups every day unless of course your data outstrips your tape size on each server. I think you are reading into differentials too deeply. Personally I would recommend Veritas Backupexec as NTBackup is a stripped down version albeit free, but again it comes down to the horses for courses and each person can tell a different story where backups are concerned. My reasoning is the restore times from testing are faster with Veritas. Whether you want to pay that much
RE: Win2k backup and Exchange
In addition a separate raid controller may be necessary if indeed the raid controller is the single point of failure. -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 2:07 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Win2k backup and Exchange I think our friend is assuming his entire server died. In which case, he'd be what I would consider a reactive admin versus a proactive admin... Servers don't just crash David. There is always something that leads up to the crash and with real hardware in place such as Compaq, Dell, or otherwise, you will get some kind of indication ahead of time that disaster is near. As Ken mentioned, log files should always be on another spindle unless there are some financial constraints. Being that these lawyers are requiring so much, they should be willing to spend a little cheddar to get the right tools in place to accomplish the task at hand. D -Original Message- From: Ken Cornetet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 11:03 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Win2k backup and Exchange You simply put your log files on a separate physical disk from the store. -Original Message- From: Michel, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 1:40 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Win2k backup and Exchange As much as I appreciate multiple links and sarcastic comments, I do not see anywhere in the whitepaper from either 5.5 or 2000 on how you can roll logs forward IF THE LOGS AREN'T THERE... Have you ever heard of a full system crash? Although I admit it is much less likely than any other type of failure it is still possible to lose the entire server, isn't it? And if it is, the logs you are so fond of referring to will be about as useful as your sarcasm. If you ever have the misfortune to work for lawyers you will find that there are certain things you do and deal with and a full system daily backup which is as up-to-date as possible is an absolute requirement. That is the reason that I am asking and why I feel my use of differentials is warranted. If I am not mistaken, a tape of any sort is only going to be as useful as the last information written to it if that is the only source of data, is it not? Therefore, a full server crash in the late afternoon with only last night's full backup leaves you SOL for almost a full day's work. However, if I am incorrect in my assumption that a tape which contains a full backup along with differential backups will allow me to rebuild my server completely and restore it to the point of the last differential then I would honestly be interested in hearing why. Furthermore, if there is a way to restore and roll the logs should the server that the logs were on be completely dead using just a full backup from the night before than I retract all sarcasm on my part and look forward to hearing how that process would work. -Original Message- From: Kevin Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 12:36 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Win2k backup and Exchange READ IT. Learn it. Love it. Tell it nice things. Sleep with it under you pillow 5.5 DR white paper http://www.microsoft.com/Exchange/techinfo/administration/55/BackupResto re.asp 2k DR white paper http://www.microsoft.com/Exchange/techinfo/deployment/2000/e2krecovery.a sp --Kevinm M, WLKMMAS, UCC+WCA, And Beyond Drive thru Admin, Would you like Fries with that? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Don Ely Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 9:26 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Win2k backup and Exchange You've never heard of database logging have you? In the event of a restore, when the IS is restored and the transaction logs are replayed, you have lost nothing. You can restore right up to the point of failure. Therefore your use of Differentials is unwarranted D -Original Message- From: Michel, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 9:27 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Win2k backup and Exchange I have read it and I want to reiterate that I do plan on doing a nightly full backup. However, since the Exchange server has it's own tape backup system, I would also like to do differentials in addition to the full. Therefore, should a complete crash happen I'm backed up to within an hour or so of crash time rather than the previous night. -Original Message- From: McGilligan, Sean [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 12:09 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Win2k backup and Exchange David, First,I would read the paper disaster recovery. Second,I would ask the question why can you not do full (normal) backups every day unless of course your data outstrips your tape size on each server. I think you are reading into differentials too deeply. Personally I would recommend Veritas
