Re: [expert] There will be a good Mandrake Future?¡

2003-01-16 Thread David Guntner
Damian Gatabria grabbed a keyboard and wrote: Over here, we are taught that is different from is symbolized with a striked-out = sign. Well, since my keyboard is missing the striked-out = key, != will have to do. :-) --Dave -- David Guntner GEnie: Just say

Re: [expert] There will be a good Mandrake Future?

2003-01-16 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
On Thu, Jan 16, 2003 at 00:04 -0500, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: Miark: Excellent post! Kudos to you for that fine response. I can't add much to that, except to say that companies like Chrysler have weathered bankruptcy protection in the past, and look where they are today. Dennis Meyers was

Re: [expert] There will be a good Mandrake Future?

2003-01-16 Thread Jim Dawson
K-Mart seems to file for bankruptcy protection so often that I think it must be part of their business model! :-) They're closing some stores, but I don't see them going out of business in the near future. Lyvim Xaphir wrote: On Tue, 2003-01-14 at 16:30, Miark wrote: Ken, Don't be

Re: [expert] There will be a good Mandrake Future?

2003-01-16 Thread Alan Wilter Sousa da Silva
Please, it's to me understand. I believe that here in Brazil we have something similar to US-Chapter 11. So, this C.11 would be like a moratorium? Like what is happening to Argentina this moment for example. Because, certainly, things don't take place here as in Germany. On Thu, 16 Jan 2003,

Re: [expert] There will be a good Mandrake Future?

2003-01-16 Thread Eric Fernandez
Alan Wilter Sousa da Silva wrote: Please, it's to me understand. I believe that here in Brazil we have something similar to US-Chapter 11. So, this C.11 would be like a moratorium? Like what is happening to Argentina this moment for example. Because, certainly, things don't take place here

Re: [expert] There will be a good Mandrake Future?

2003-01-16 Thread Lyvim Xaphir
On Thu, 2003-01-16 at 07:49, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: I also regard Miark's response a fine wrap-up of the whole thing. To you US-Americans and French people such a bankrupt but still in business is common ground and well understood as a positive step towards a healthy business. The

Re: [expert] There will be a good Mandrake Future?

2003-01-16 Thread Miark
Makes ya wonder why they don't change their name to B-Mart. :-) Miark On Thu, 16 Jan 2003 07:00:34 -0600 Jim Dawson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: K-Mart seems to file for bankruptcy protection so often that I think it must be part of their business model! :-) They're closing some stores, but

Re: [expert] There will be a good Mandrake Future?

2003-01-16 Thread James Sparenberg
Alan, Yes... you've correctly stated it for the US version. People you owe money to have to halt collection proceedings, the court appoints an overseer to decide who gets paid when etc. Downside is that quite often you now become a cash only business (for the small guy with little in the way

Re: [expert] There will be a good Mandrake Future?

2003-01-16 Thread Ken Hawkins
In Canada it is the same as Germany, the equivalent of Chapter 11 is for the benefit of the creditors, not the company. Assets get disposed of to satisfy debt. We are in fact losing the head office of many Canadian Co's that move their address to Delaware USA because of the tendancy there to

[expert] There will be a good Mandrake Future?

2003-01-15 Thread Francisco Alcaraz Ariza
I am very sad by the notices about Mandrake bankrupt. I hoped that the Club development could be a good new commercial model for Mandrake; I am a silver member and I have also bought a PowerPack to Mandrake Store. I am actually very happy with the 9.0 (also I was with 7.0, 7.2, 8.0 and 8.2), I

Re: [expert] There will be a good Mandrake Future?

2003-01-15 Thread Ken Hawkins
I also have a silver membership that I will have to seriously consider allowing to lapse..too bad. My question is where the problem originated. After the recent CEO/ scandals in the US, I begin to be suspicious of the management team at MandrakeSoft ( or any corporation for that matter). Were

Re: [expert] There will be a good Mandrake Future?

2003-01-15 Thread Damon Lynch
On Thu, 2003-01-16 at 01:47, Ken Hawkins wrote: I also have a silver membership that I will have to seriously consider allowing to lapse..too bad. Yes, if enough people think like that, Mandrake will go down. If on the other hand they don't, it will survive and one day prosper. Like it or

Re: [expert] There will be a good Mandrake Future?

2003-01-15 Thread Ken Hawkins
I certainly don't want Mandrake to fail; what I want is an idea of whether my money is going to developers and product improvement, or to some suit's Caymen Island bank account.. Ken On Wednesday 15 January 2003 08:58 pm, Damon Lynch wrote: On Thu, 2003-01-16 at 01:47, Ken Hawkins wrote:

Re: [expert] There will be a good Mandrake Future?

2003-01-15 Thread et
On Wednesday 15 January 2003 08:04 am, Ken Hawkins wrote: I certainly don't want Mandrake to fail; what I want is an idea of whether my money is going to developers and product improvement, or to some suit's Caymen Island bank account.. Ken well that is the best part about Chapt. 11, you

Re: [expert] There will be a good Mandrake Future?

2003-01-15 Thread Miark
Ken, Don't be passive. If you, Ken Hawkins, want Mandrakesoft to prosper, then you Ken Hawkins, should do what you can to see that happen. I'm no suggesting taking out a bank loan to donate to Mandrake, but if you had already planned on renewing your subscription, then you should do so. If you

Re: [expert] There will be a good Mandrake Future?

2003-01-15 Thread Todd Lyons
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Speaking only for myself and not as representative of the company because I don't know a great deal of what's going on. Francisco Alcaraz Ariza wrote on Wed, Jan 15, 2003 at 09:26:10PM +0100 : I am very sad by the notices about Mandrake bankrupt.

Re: [expert] There will be a good Mandrake Future?

2003-01-15 Thread James Sparenberg
One point ... they take out the fee monthly from my card. Now if the company fails... they can't take out the fee and or I can stop payment through my ccard company. So if I pay.. I get the service until the service is no more, and then I don't pay. James On Wed, 2003-01-15 at 12:26,

Re: [expert] There will be a good Mandrake Future?

2003-01-15 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
On Wed, Jan 15, 2003 at 13:38 -0800, Todd Lyons wrote: Speaking only for myself and not as representative of the company because I don't know a great deal of what's going on. Francisco Alcaraz Ariza wrote on Wed, Jan 15, 2003 at 09:26:10PM +0100 : I am very sad by the notices about

Re: [expert] There will be a good Mandrake Future?

2003-01-15 Thread Damian Gatabria
bankruptcy PROTECTION != bankrupt you mean bankrupcy protection! = bankrupt right? really, it is possible that not all of the readers on this list are C programmers.. when trying to state something meant to be obvious, please do not save yourself from the hassle to type is different from

Re: [expert] There will be a good Mandrake Future?

2003-01-15 Thread Sascha Noyes
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 15 January 2003 08:38 pm, Damian Gatabria wrote: bankruptcy PROTECTION != bankrupt you mean bankrupcy protection! = bankrupt right? really, it is possible that not all of the readers on this list are C programmers.. when trying

Re: [expert] There will be a good Mandrake Future?

2003-01-15 Thread Vox
This time Sascha Noyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] becomes daring and writes: On Wednesday 15 January 2003 08:38 pm, Damian Gatabria wrote: bankruptcy PROTECTION != bankrupt you mean bankrupcy protection! = bankrupt right? really, it is possible that not all of the readers on this list are C

Re: [expert] There will be a good Mandrake Future?

2003-01-15 Thread James Sparenberg
Dang and me just being a shell hack, and an old one to boot remember that Chrysler once went bankrupt.. James On Wed, 2003-01-15 at 20:58, Sascha Noyes wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 15 January 2003 08:38 pm, Damian Gatabria wrote: bankruptcy

Re: [expert] There will be a good Mandrake Future?¡

2003-01-15 Thread Damian Gatabria
Actually, just plain math will do...at least here in Mexico we get to learn that != moans is different from when in 9th or 10th grade. Vox Well, make it just plain mexican math will do then :o) Over here, we are taught that is different from is symbolized with a striked-out =

Re: [expert] There will be a good Mandrake Future?

2003-01-15 Thread Lyvim Xaphir
On Tue, 2003-01-14 at 16:30, Miark wrote: Ken, Don't be passive. If you, Ken Hawkins, want Mandrakesoft to prosper, then you Ken Hawkins, should do what you can to see that happen. I'm no suggesting taking out a bank loan to donate to Mandrake, but if you had already planned on renewing

Re: [expert] There will be a good Mandrake Future?

2003-01-15 Thread Vox
This time James Sparenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] becomes daring and writes: Dang and me just being a shell hack, and an old one to boot remember that Chrysler once went bankrupt.. Actually twice...once at the beginning of the Iaccoca age (he used it to stop the debt payments so he