Re: [expert] CDRW

2003-07-10 Thread Tom Brinkman
On Wednesday July 9 2003 11:53 pm, dfox wrote:
 i want to d/l sone stuff on usenet but i haven't yet tried this.
 aren't the files all in rAR? ie once you tag a 'movie' what do
 you have to do to make it watchable?

  D/l all the rar parts and then 'rar e movie.part01.rar'. It'll 
find the rest of the rar's. Or use file-roller. Bring up the rar's 
in a file manager, click on the first part, then OK. Both the CL 
and the GUI for it will stop if one of the parts is missing. Both 
display progress while the movie is being extracted.
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Re: [expert] cdrw

2003-07-10 Thread dfox
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Having said that, I have some words of wisdom:  Get A Credit Card!

1) A real credit card company will let you file, at least one,
 secondary delivery address.

I was surprised at this development. It's logical, given all the id theft 
and other things going on. I am surprised that my bank wouldn't have any 
provision for a secondary address. Unfortunately, due to unfortunate 
circumstances, loss of income and etc., my credit is pretty bad, so 
getting a 'real' credit card is not doable right now. :(


2) [more importantly] NEVER EVER, and I mean EVER give out debit card
 info on the internet, no matter how much you trust the recipient.  If
 you do, you can find your bank account RAPED for all it's worth.  With

I've had this happen once or maybe twice recently. The one time it 
happened there was a break in to the site and my info was stolen along 
with everyone elses. I was able to get chargebacks and/or cooperation 
from most of the unauthorized transactions, and get a new debit card.


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Re: [expert] CDRW

2003-07-09 Thread Ronald J. Hall
On Tuesday 08 July 2003 03:22 pm, Lyvim Xaphir wrote:

 There have been some Toshiba firmware updates addressing media support;
 you probably would be served best if you made sure the drive was flashed
 with the latest firmware.  I've got a link I'll send you that also
 includes region free firmware updates. ;)


 --LX

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Re: [expert] CDRW

2003-07-09 Thread Lyvim Xaphir
On Wed, 2003-07-09 at 13:50, Ronald J. Hall wrote:
 On Tuesday 08 July 2003 03:22 pm, Lyvim Xaphir wrote:
 
  There have been some Toshiba firmware updates addressing media support;
  you probably would be served best if you made sure the drive was flashed
  with the latest firmware.  I've got a link I'll send you that also
  includes region free firmware updates. ;)
 
 
  --LX
 
 Thanks Lyvim!

No problem, my friend. :)

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Re: [expert] cdrw

2003-07-09 Thread dfox
Somebody scribbled about re: [expert] cdrw
ok

i bit the bullet. Thanks to lyvim and other people's comments, i am
 going with a 1312 combo dvd/cdrw, from toshiba. i ordered it from micro
 pro and hope it arrives soon. i'll update folks when i get it.

Update: boo hoo.

I am running into a big catch-22 with respect to my debit card -- the
bank can't add the shipping address and i live in an apt so i can't have 
the package sitting at my doorstep when I come home at 7pm, as it will 
probably be stolen. Micro pro flatly refused to ship to my work address.

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Re: [expert] cdrw

2003-07-09 Thread Lyvim Xaphir
On Wed, 2003-07-09 at 23:48, dfox wrote:
 Somebody scribbled about re: [expert] cdrw
 ok
 
 i bit the bullet. Thanks to lyvim and other people's comments, i am
  going with a 1312 combo dvd/cdrw, from toshiba. i ordered it from micro
  pro and hope it arrives soon. i'll update folks when i get it.
 
 Update: boo hoo.
 
 I am running into a big catch-22 with respect to my debit card -- the
 bank can't add the shipping address and i live in an apt so i can't have 
 the package sitting at my doorstep when I come home at 7pm, as it will 
 probably be stolen. Micro pro flatly refused to ship to my work address.

Hang on, I'm finding you something...


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Re: [expert] cdrw

2003-07-09 Thread dfox
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On Wed, 2003-07-09 at 23:48, dfox wrote:
 Somebody scribbled about re: [expert] cdrw


Lyvim - thanks. I looked at www.usssa.com and did an order - their price
was 85.00 for retail box sd 1312 plust 15 $ for media, plus ground. They 
are in fremont which is pretty close to me.

I still have to fax back a charge authorization from work in the 
morning... we will see.


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Re: [expert] cdrw

2003-07-09 Thread PlugHead
On Wednesday 09 July 2003 11:48 pm, dfox wrote:
 Update: boo hoo.

 I am running into a big catch-22 with respect to my debit card -- the
 bank can't add the shipping address and i live in an apt so i can't have
 the package sitting at my doorstep when I come home at 7pm, as it will
 probably be stolen. Micro pro flatly refused to ship to my work address.

Ok, this has nothing to do with MDK, but...

I'd place the order, using the address on file at my bank.  Then, when they 
try to deliver it, and you're not there, they'll leave a little note on the 
door.  Call the number of the shipping co. (usually found on said note) and 
tell them that you'd like to pick it up at the nearest branch office--with 
any luck, it won't be too far away...

Having said that, I have some words of wisdom:  Get A Credit Card!  

1) A real credit card company will let you file, at least one, secondary 
delivery address.  

2) [more importantly] NEVER EVER, and I mean EVER give out debit card info on 
the internet, no matter how much you trust the recipient.  If you do, you can 
find your bank account RAPED for all it's worth.  With a credit card, you can 
say: I didn't authorize that transaction, at which point your account gets 
credited and the merchant has to _prove_ that it was _you_ that authorized 
the transaction, otherwise it'll get refused.  

Debit cards, on the other hand, offer NO protection of this sort (IME.)  If an 
unauthorized charge is made against your debit card, you'll probably have to 
sue the merchant [during which time they'll be holding your money] to have 
ANY chance of getting it back.  Even if you 'win', in such a lawsuit, your 
lawyer will probably charge you more than you lost in the first place...

HTH,
-J

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Re: [expert] CDRW

2003-07-09 Thread dfox
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 I can't find any 800mb CDr's in the stores ;(  Where do y'all
get 'em?  USEnet's got some 715 to 775 movies. I can use mencoder

Well, if you do find siome lemme know :).

I'm going to try some experiments with mencoder (by the way, what happened 
to that gui front end for mencoder - i think it was called gmencoder or 
some such, on plf, now i can't find it). 

mencoder is supposed to auto-quality based on size, iirc - so if you have 
a target cd size you can just plug that in. my brother does a lot of this 
although he uses winblows. 

i want to d/l sone stuff on usenet but i haven't yet tried this. aren't 
the files all in rAR? ie once you tag a 'movie' what do you have to do to 
make it watchable?

to reduce their size to fit on 700mb CDr's, but at a loss of a
little video quality.
 http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/encoding.html#rescaling

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Re: [expert] CDRW

2003-07-08 Thread Tom Brinkman
On Monday July 7 2003 02:32 pm, Lyvim Xaphir wrote:
 On Mon, 2003-07-07 at 11:27, Tom Brinkman wrote:
   It's an IDE burner, not SCSI. I'm not interested in burnin
  at over 8x. Most of the time I burn at 4x.  Other than the
  quality drives (Plextor and Yamaha), I just thought it might be
  a good idea to investigate the cheap ones like Lite-On.

 Times have changed.  Plextor and Yamaha are no longer what they
 used to be in the days before computer users became technically
 savvy about cdrom technology.

Oh for sure I agree. Any hardware needs to be investigated at 
anticipated purchase time, not prior history. Hence my interest in 
Lite-On's

 Plextor for instance now has an 
 abysmal record with regard to EFM encoding. There are fully 20
 drives tested in the following URL, and only one of them has
 correct EFM encoding.  That drive was released *this* year; go
 figure.  SEE:

 http://www.elby.ch/en/products/clone_cd/writers/p.html#plextor

 Yamaha is not really any better, in fact they are worse.  Out of
 28 tested drive models, NONE of them has correct EFM encoding!! 
 SEE:

 http://www.elby.ch/en/products/clone_cd/writers/y.html#yamaha

 This is what happens when people are using word of mouth to buy
 drives instead of performance oriented test results from real
 world applications.  The vendors can rest on their laurels and
 push an inferior product on an unsuspecting public for as long as
 they are allowed.  Plextor has started reacting to the Liteon
 phenomenon as of this year by finally putting out a drive that
 encodes completely right.

 Now as long as you are doing elementary stuff, like burning ISO's
 from the image, or copying non-copy-protected audio or software
 cd's, you'll never know that the drive isn't all there.  In that
 case it's fine to own an inferior burner.  It's only when you are
 doing college level stuff like making backup copies of copy
 protected audio or software cd's that you will really see the
 problems or attributes of a drive.  That's why I keep posting
 these links; they represent information from test results. 
 That's the starting point; the test results.

 All clearly explains the Liteon phenomenon.  Why exactly are they
 so popular?  Well, the answer is very simple.  Liteon drives,
 almost all of them without exception, are fully capable of giving
 you true 1 to 1 copies of copy protected cd's.  Why?  Because
 they have BOTH the hardware modes needed *and* correct EFM
 encoding.  Look at Liteon's track record and you will see what I
 mean:

 http://www.elby.ch/en/products/clone_cd/writers/l.html#liteon

 Out of 12 drives tested, only three are questionable.  By test
 results, not word of mouth.  This is exactly why Liteon drives
 are popular; quite simply, they do the job that they are supposed
 to do under demanding circumstances.  So the hacker guys that can
 get the jobs done under the demanding circumstances already know
 everything I've posted here because they are cdrw hackers; as
 such their opinions are respected and they are the ones
 recommending the drives to others trying to do the same thing.
 Other people like me, for instance. The push for all this recent
 popularity is the fact that the Liteon drives get the job done
 after UPS delivers them.


 I personally chose Toshiba, because I feel that Tosh drives offer
 more quality of hardware than the others, (for slightly more
 money) plus having immaculate hardware specs.  This is all based
 on prior personal experience.

 Liteon succeeds mainly because young cdrw hackers can afford them
 (they are cheap) and they almost always get the job done.

  Few things I need to ask, are the Lite-On's made by Lite-On, or
  are they rebadged from other manufacturers?

 Liteon is it's own manufacturer to the best of my knowledge. 
 There are others relabeling the Liteon brand, like Buslink, and
 they sell them at a lower price.  So if you see any Buslink brand
 burners in Best Buy or elsewhere, jump on them and ask the guys
 there if it registers as a Liteon model number in system
 information when it is installed.  A relabeled Liteon drive will
 always display it's true Liteon model number when installed in
 the system.

 We bought a Buslink burner from Best Buy as a birthday present
 for a hacker bud not too long ago, and I went to Liteon's
 firmware page, downloaded their latest firmware, and flashed the
 drive (under DOS) before I giftwrapped it and sent it on.

 We paid 25 bucks for the drive after rebate.It was actually a
 relabeled Liteon LTR-32123S.

  Can the firmware be flashed from DOS

 Yep

  , and are updates available (or have been)?

 Yep

I went to their site to look for myself, but got an 'under
  construction' message.

 Please check the following URL:

 http://www.liteontc.com.tw/

 HTH,

 --LX

Thanks for the concise summary of current burners. I agree also, 
given better quality hardware, I'd spend the extra bucks. Savings 
in the long run. Unfortunately many brand names 

Re: [expert] CDRW

2003-07-08 Thread Tom Brinkman
On Monday July 7 2003 01:44 pm, Ronald J. Hall wrote:
 Tom, I don't even have those CDs anymore - they were 4 CD's of
 the Lord Of The Rings that he ripped. I eventually bought the
 store version and threw them away. TBH, since I've thrown them
 away, I can't remember if they were true 800 meg CDs or 700
 meggers jam-packed full. I know he (my brother) said they had 800
 megs each on them. I'll ask him the next time I see him.

   A 700 mb CDr has two sizes. 80 minutes, and 700mb.  Only time 
minutes is important is audio images. I often burn way over 800 
mb's of wav's to a CDr, but the time needs to be just under 80 
minutes of playing time to make the CDr stable on cheap junk CD 
players. Movies OTOH don't go by minutes, they need to fit 'data 
wise' in MB's on a CDr. Guess I'll just keep re-encoding the 'too 
big' ones ;)
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Re: [expert] CDRW

2003-07-08 Thread Ronald J. Hall
On Tuesday 08 July 2003 10:09 am, Tom Brinkman wrote:

A 700 mb CDr has two sizes. 80 minutes, and 700mb.  Only time
 minutes is important is audio images. I often burn way over 800
 mb's of wav's to a CDr, but the time needs to be just under 80
 minutes of playing time to make the CDr stable on cheap junk CD
 players. Movies OTOH don't go by minutes, they need to fit 'data
 wise' in MB's on a CDr. Guess I'll just keep re-encoding the 'too
 big' ones ;)

Talked to him. :-)

He said they were 700s jammed full. Guess thats why my fairly new Toshiba DVD 
drive would not read them, but my Plextor CDRW would.

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Re: [expert] CDRW

2003-07-08 Thread Lyvim Xaphir
On Tue, 2003-07-08 at 15:03, Ronald J. Hall wrote:
 On Tuesday 08 July 2003 10:09 am, Tom Brinkman wrote:
 
 A 700 mb CDr has two sizes. 80 minutes, and 700mb.  Only time
  minutes is important is audio images. I often burn way over 800
  mb's of wav's to a CDr, but the time needs to be just under 80
  minutes of playing time to make the CDr stable on cheap junk CD
  players. Movies OTOH don't go by minutes, they need to fit 'data
  wise' in MB's on a CDr. Guess I'll just keep re-encoding the 'too
  big' ones ;)
 
 Talked to him. :-)
 
 He said they were 700s jammed full. Guess thats why my fairly new Toshiba DVD 
 drive would not read them, but my Plextor CDRW would.

There have been some Toshiba firmware updates addressing media support;
you probably would be served best if you made sure the drive was flashed
with the latest firmware.  I've got a link I'll send you that also
includes region free firmware updates. ;)


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Re: [expert] CDRW

2003-07-07 Thread KevinO
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charlie wrote:
 On Sun, 6 Jul 2003 10:56 pm, Tom Brinkman had this to contribute :-

 Could a few of y'all with Lite-On's post the results of
'cdrecord --checkdrive dev=0,0,0'   Just the ID/Rev, and the last
several lines are relevant.

Here is the output from a couple of the Yamaha's here. Interesting...

Cdrecord 1.11a31 (i586-mandrake-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2002 Jörg Schilling
scsidev: '0,2,0'
scsibus: 0 target: 2 lun: 0
Linux sg driver version: 3.1.24
Using libscg version 'schily-0.6'
Device type: Removable CD-ROM
Version: 2
Response Format: 2
Capabilities   : SYNC
Vendor_info: 'YAMAHA  '
Identifikation : 'CRW2100E'
Revision   : '1.0J'
Device seems to be: Generic mmc CD-RW.
Using generic SCSI-3/mmc CD-R driver (mmc_cdr).
Driver flags   : SWABAUDIO
Supported modes: TAO PACKET SAO SAO/R96P SAO/R96R RAW/R96R

Cdrecord 2.0 (i586-mandrake-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2002 Jörg Schilling
scsidev: '0,0,0'
scsibus: 0 target: 0 lun: 0
Linux sg driver version: 3.1.24
Using libscg version 'schily-0.7'
Device type: Removable CD-ROM
Version: 2
Response Format: 2
Capabilities   : SYNC
Vendor_info: 'YAMAHA  '
Identifikation : 'CRW3200E'
Revision   : '1.0d'
Device seems to be: Generic mmc CD-RW.
Using generic SCSI-3/mmc CD-R driver (mmc_cdr).
Driver flags   : MMC-3 SWABAUDIO BURNFREE AUDIOMASTER FORCESPEED
Supported modes: TAO PACKET SAO SAO/R96P SAO/R96R RAW/R96R

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Re: [expert] CDRW

2003-07-07 Thread Lyvim Xaphir
Remember.  The vendor can report the correct write modes all he wants;
but there is also the small matter of correct EFM encoding.  That means
actually testing the drive to see if the drive can reproduce exotic
conditions like weak sectors.  That in turn means that somebody needs to
have actually tried to produce backup copies of exotic cd's in an
attempt to create true 1 to 1 copies.and then reported their
results.  Like the results at the CloneCD hardware database, for
instance.

For an idea of what true quality drives are capable of and what they are
up against, please check out the following:

http://www6.tomshardware.com/storage/20021213/lg-13.html

Not having perfect EFM encoding is the same thing as not having the
correct raw hardware modes at all.  For this info we need somebody's
test results.


On Mon, 2003-07-07 at 03:25, KevinO wrote:
 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
 Hash: SHA1
 
 charlie wrote:
  On Sun, 6 Jul 2003 10:56 pm, Tom Brinkman had this to contribute :-
 
  Could a few of y'all with Lite-On's post the results of
 'cdrecord --checkdrive dev=0,0,0'   Just the ID/Rev, and the last
 several lines are relevant.
 
 Here is the output from a couple of the Yamaha's here. Interesting...
 
 Cdrecord 1.11a31 (i586-mandrake-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2002 Jörg Schilling
 scsidev: '0,2,0'
 scsibus: 0 target: 2 lun: 0
 Linux sg driver version: 3.1.24
 Using libscg version 'schily-0.6'
 Device type: Removable CD-ROM
 Version: 2
 Response Format: 2
 Capabilities   : SYNC
 Vendor_info: 'YAMAHA  '
 Identifikation : 'CRW2100E'
 Revision   : '1.0J'
 Device seems to be: Generic mmc CD-RW.
 Using generic SCSI-3/mmc CD-R driver (mmc_cdr).
 Driver flags   : SWABAUDIO
 Supported modes: TAO PACKET SAO SAO/R96P SAO/R96R RAW/R96R
 
 Cdrecord 2.0 (i586-mandrake-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2002 Jörg Schilling
 scsidev: '0,0,0'
 scsibus: 0 target: 0 lun: 0
 Linux sg driver version: 3.1.24
 Using libscg version 'schily-0.7'
 Device type: Removable CD-ROM
 Version: 2
 Response Format: 2
 Capabilities   : SYNC
 Vendor_info: 'YAMAHA  '
 Identifikation : 'CRW3200E'
 Revision   : '1.0d'
 Device seems to be: Generic mmc CD-RW.
 Using generic SCSI-3/mmc CD-R driver (mmc_cdr).
 Driver flags   : MMC-3 SWABAUDIO BURNFREE AUDIOMASTER FORCESPEED
 Supported modes: TAO PACKET SAO SAO/R96P SAO/R96R RAW/R96R
 
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Re: [expert] CDRW

2003-07-07 Thread Lyvim Xaphir
On Mon, 2003-07-07 at 00:27, Ronald J. Hall wrote:
 On Sunday 06 July 2003 04:52 pm, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
 
  It's not so much the difference between the atapi and scsi drives,
  it's the data bus. Copying a CD on the fly is a much safer and faster
  thing using scsi.
 
  wobo
 
 Agreed. Less system resource/cpu time, responsiveness, etc, etc.
 
 Its more like set it and forget it (to paraphrase a really annoying 
 infocommercial!) :-)

I can always tell a student/advocate of ESR when I see one. ;D

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Re: [expert] CDRW

2003-07-07 Thread Anne Wilson
On Monday 07 Jul 2003 4:27 pm, Tom Brinkman wrote:
 I just thought it might be a good idea
 to investigate the cheap ones like Lite-On. Few things I need to
 ask, are the Lite-On's made by Lite-On, or are they rebadged from
 other manufacturers? Can the firmware be flashed from DOS, and are
 updates available (or have been)?  I went to their site to look for
 myself, but got an 'under construction' message.

You should do a bit of googling, I think, Tom.  I know of people who 
are very happy with Lite-On drives, but I also know that my favourite 
parts supplier are very uncomfortable with some hardware combinations 
that include Lite-On.  As far as I know, it mainly concerns an 
incompatibility with some cd/dvd drives.

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Re: [expert] CDRW

2003-07-07 Thread Tom Brinkman
On Sunday July 6 2003 11:37 am, dfox wrote:
 Somebody scribbled about Re: [expert] CDRW

 OK, thanks Ed, same mode supports as my old drive. I don't
  want burnfree, but it can be disabled. I'm thinkin this old
  drive has got to be replaced sooner or later ;)

 Is yours scsi? It might be worth keeping. but I think tese days
 that atapi is getting better and better. otoh, the newer drives
 can burn really really faxt :).

 It's an IDE burner, not SCSI. I'm not interested in burnin at 
over 8x. Most of the time I burn at 4x.  Other than the quality 
drives (Plextor and Yamaha), I just thought it might be a good idea 
to investigate the cheap ones like Lite-On. Few things I need to 
ask, are the Lite-On's made by Lite-On, or are they rebadged from 
other manufacturers? Can the firmware be flashed from DOS, and are 
updates available (or have been)?  I went to their site to look for 
myself, but got an 'under construction' message.
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Re: [expert] CDRW

2003-07-07 Thread Tom Brinkman
On Monday July 7 2003 02:53 am, Lyvim Xaphir wrote:
 Remember.  The vendor can report the correct write modes all he
 wants; but there is also the small matter of correct EFM
 encoding.  That means actually testing the drive to see if the
 drive can reproduce exotic conditions like weak sectors.  That in
 turn means that somebody needs to have actually tried to produce
 backup copies of exotic cd's in an attempt to create true 1 to 1
 copies.and then reported their results.  Like the results at
 the CloneCD hardware database, for instance.

 For an idea of what true quality drives are capable of and what
 they are up against, please check out the following:

 http://www6.tomshardware.com/storage/20021213/lg-13.html

 Not having perfect EFM encoding is the same thing as not having
 the correct raw hardware modes at all.  For this info we need
 somebody's test results.

   I agree with your basic premise Lyvim. Years ago I used CloneCD's 
data base and comments to choose Plextor, the darling of burners at 
the time. Keep in mind tho that CloneCD's Windoze software, and 
THG's review/test is also Winblows based. Linux/cdrecord/cdrdao/
mkisofs results may or may not be different. (probly better ;)

Still ya gotta start somewhere ;) I'm mostly curious because I 
hear a lot of good reports on Lite-On's, even THG gave 'em a thumbs 
up. I'm thinking a good cheap burner might be a better alternative 
than keepin my old cd-rw and even older CDrom. Just use the burner 
for everything in my next system. I'm not a fan of direct CD to CDr 
copying anyhow, and burners are better readers than cdrom's ;)
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Re: [expert] CDRW

2003-07-07 Thread Ronald J. Hall
On Monday 07 July 2003 11:51 am, Tom Brinkman wrote:

 copying anyhow, and burners are better readers than cdrom's ;)

I can testify to that - my younger brother made some 800 meg CDs one time for 
me...only thing I had  on 3 comps that would read'em was my good 'ole Plextor 
CDRW. :-)

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Re: [expert] CDRW

2003-07-07 Thread Tom Brinkman
On Monday July 7 2003 12:15 pm, Ronald J. Hall wrote:
 On Monday 07 July 2003 11:51 am, Tom Brinkman wrote:
  copying anyhow, and burners are better readers than cdrom's ;)

 I can testify to that - my younger brother made some 800 meg CDs
 one time for me...only thing I had  on 3 comps that would read'em
 was my good 'ole Plextor CDRW. :-)

 I can't find any 800mb CDr's in the stores ;(  Where do y'all 
get 'em?  USEnet's got some 715 to 775 movies. I can use mencoder 
to reduce their size to fit on 700mb CDr's, but at a loss of a 
little video quality.
 http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/encoding.html#rescaling
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Re: [expert] CDRW

2003-07-07 Thread Ronald J. Hall
On Monday 07 July 2003 02:05 pm, Tom Brinkman wrote:

  I can't find any 800mb CDr's in the stores ;(  Where do y'all
 get 'em?  USEnet's got some 715 to 775 movies. I can use mencoder
 to reduce their size to fit on 700mb CDr's, but at a loss of a
 little video quality.
  http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/encoding.html#rescaling

Tom, I don't even have those CDs anymore - they were 4 CD's of the Lord Of 
The Rings that he ripped. I eventually bought the store version and threw 
them away. TBH, since I've thrown them away, I can't remember if they were 
true 800 meg CDs or 700 meggers jam-packed full. I know he (my brother) 
said they had 800 megs each on them. I'll ask him the next time I see him. 

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Re: [expert] CDRW

2003-07-07 Thread Lyvim Xaphir
On Mon, 2003-07-07 at 11:27, Tom Brinkman wrote:

  It's an IDE burner, not SCSI. I'm not interested in burnin at 
 over 8x. Most of the time I burn at 4x.  Other than the quality 
 drives (Plextor and Yamaha), I just thought it might be a good idea 
 to investigate the cheap ones like Lite-On.

Times have changed.  Plextor and Yamaha are no longer what they used to
be in the days before computer users became technically savvy about
cdrom technology.  Plextor for instance now has an abysmal record with
regard to EFM encoding. There are fully 20 drives tested in the
following URL, and only one of them has correct EFM encoding.  That
drive was released *this* year; go figure.  SEE:

http://www.elby.ch/en/products/clone_cd/writers/p.html#plextor

Yamaha is not really any better, in fact they are worse.  Out of 28
tested drive models, NONE of them has correct EFM encoding!!  SEE:

http://www.elby.ch/en/products/clone_cd/writers/y.html#yamaha

This is what happens when people are using word of mouth to buy drives
instead of performance oriented test results from real world
applications.  The vendors can rest on their laurels and push an
inferior product on an unsuspecting public for as long as they are
allowed.  Plextor has started reacting to the Liteon phenomenon as of
this year by finally putting out a drive that encodes completely right.

Now as long as you are doing elementary stuff, like burning ISO's from
the image, or copying non-copy-protected audio or software cd's, you'll
never know that the drive isn't all there.  In that case it's fine to
own an inferior burner.  It's only when you are doing college level
stuff like making backup copies of copy protected audio or software cd's
that you will really see the problems or attributes of a drive.  That's
why I keep posting these links; they represent information from test
results.  That's the starting point; the test results.

All clearly explains the Liteon phenomenon.  Why exactly are they so
popular?  Well, the answer is very simple.  Liteon drives, almost all of
them without exception, are fully capable of giving you true 1 to 1
copies of copy protected cd's.  Why?  Because they have BOTH the
hardware modes needed *and* correct EFM encoding.  Look at Liteon's
track record and you will see what I mean:

http://www.elby.ch/en/products/clone_cd/writers/l.html#liteon

Out of 12 drives tested, only three are questionable.  By test results,
not word of mouth.  This is exactly why Liteon drives are popular; quite
simply, they do the job that they are supposed to do under demanding
circumstances.  So the hacker guys that can get the jobs done under the
demanding circumstances already know everything I've posted here because
they are cdrw hackers; as such their opinions are respected and they are
the ones recommending the drives to others trying to do the same thing.
Other people like me, for instance. The push for all this recent
popularity is the fact that the Liteon drives get the job done after UPS
delivers them.


I personally chose Toshiba, because I feel that Tosh drives offer more
quality of hardware than the others, (for slightly more money) plus
having immaculate hardware specs.  This is all based on prior personal
experience.

Liteon succeeds mainly because young cdrw hackers can afford them (they
are cheap) and they almost always get the job done.

 Few things I need to ask, are the Lite-On's made by Lite-On, or are
  they rebadged from other manufacturers? 

Liteon is it's own manufacturer to the best of my knowledge.  There are
others relabeling the Liteon brand, like Buslink, and they sell them at
a lower price.  So if you see any Buslink brand burners in Best Buy or
elsewhere, jump on them and ask the guys there if it registers as a
Liteon model number in system information when it is installed.  A
relabeled Liteon drive will always display it's true Liteon model number
when installed in the system.

We bought a Buslink burner from Best Buy as a birthday present for a
hacker bud not too long ago, and I went to Liteon's firmware page,
downloaded their latest firmware, and flashed the drive (under DOS)
before I giftwrapped it and sent it on.

We paid 25 bucks for the drive after rebate.It was actually a relabeled
Liteon LTR-32123S.

 Can the firmware be flashed from DOS

Yep
 , and are updates available (or have been)?

Yep

   I went to their site to look for myself, but got an 'under construction'
  message.

Please check the following URL:

http://www.liteontc.com.tw/

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Re: [expert] CDRW

2003-07-07 Thread KevinO
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Thank you for the in-depth information. I never fool around with the more
esoteric uses so I have remained ignorant and blissful. I started using
Yamahas years ago when I got a SCSI one and just stuck with them. I have
suffered with some of the cheaper brands when my friends would get one and
they would barly be able to burn an normal ISO file properly under Linux, and
only after extensive tweaking.

My next drive will probably be a Toshiba or Lite-On. (My personal workstation
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Re: [expert] CDRW

2003-07-07 Thread James Sparenberg
On Mon, 2003-07-07 at 06:28, Lyvim Xaphir wrote:
 On Mon, 2003-07-07 at 00:27, Ronald J. Hall wrote:
  On Sunday 06 July 2003 04:52 pm, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
  
   It's not so much the difference between the atapi and scsi drives,
   it's the data bus. Copying a CD on the fly is a much safer and faster
   thing using scsi.
  
   wobo
  
  Agreed. Less system resource/cpu time, responsiveness, etc, etc.
  
  Its more like set it and forget it (to paraphrase a really annoying 
  infocommercial!) :-)
 
 I can always tell a student/advocate of ESR when I see one. ;D
 
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Re: [expert] CDRW

2003-07-06 Thread charlie
On Sun, 6 Jul 2003 03:44 am, Kwan Lowe had this to contribute :-
 I have 4 Lite-On burners that work flawlessly.

Have to agree with 2 Lite-On burners and one CD reader only. Absolutely 
faultless.

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Re: [expert] CDRW

2003-07-06 Thread Tom Brinkman
On Sunday July 6 2003 04:52 am, charlie wrote:
 On Sun, 6 Jul 2003 03:44 am, Kwan Lowe had this to contribute :-

  I have 4 Lite-On burners that work flawlessly.

 Have to agree with 2 Lite-On burners and one CD reader only.
 Absolutely faultless.

  Could a few of y'all with Lite-On's post the results of
'cdrecord --checkdrive dev=0,0,0'   Just the ID/Rev, and the last 
several lines are relevant.  I'd like to see what these drives 
support compared to my over 5 years old, used a lot Plextor,

Identifikation : 'CD-R   PX-W8432T'
Revision   : '1.09'

Using generic SCSI-3/mmc   CD-R/CD-RW driver (mmc_cdr).
Driver flags   : MMC SWABAUDIO
Supported modes: TAO PACKET SAO SAO/R96P SAO/R96R RAW/R16 RAW/R96P 
RAW/R96R

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Re: [expert] CDRW

2003-07-06 Thread ed tharp
On Sun, 2003-07-06 at 08:56, Tom Brinkman wrote:
 On Sunday July 6 2003 04:52 am, charlie wrote:
  On Sun, 6 Jul 2003 03:44 am, Kwan Lowe had this to contribute :-
 
   I have 4 Lite-On burners that work flawlessly.
 
  Have to agree with 2 Lite-On burners and one CD reader only.
  Absolutely faultless.
 
   Could a few of y'all with Lite-On's post the results of
 'cdrecord --checkdrive dev=0,0,0'   Just the ID/Rev, and the last 
 several lines are relevant.  I'd like to see what these drives 
 support compared to my over 5 years old, used a lot Plextor,
 
 Identifikation : 'CD-R   PX-W8432T'
 Revision   : '1.09'
 
 Using generic SCSI-3/mmc   CD-R/CD-RW driver (mmc_cdr).
 Driver flags   : MMC SWABAUDIO
 Supported modes: TAO PACKET SAO SAO/R96P SAO/R96R RAW/R16 RAW/R96P 
 RAW/R96R

Mine

dads et]# cdrecord --checkdrive dev=0,0,0
Cdrecord 2.0 (i586-mandrake-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2002 Jörg
Schilling
scsidev: '0,0,0'
scsibus: 0 target: 0 lun: 0
Linux sg driver version: 3.1.24
Using libscg version 'schily-0.7'
Device type: Removable CD-ROM
Version: 0
Response Format: 1
Vendor_info: 'BTC '
Identifikation : 'BCE1610IM   '
Revision   : '0.19'
Device seems to be: Generic mmc CD-RW.
Using generic SCSI-3/mmc CD-R driver (mmc_cdr).
Driver flags   : MMC SWABAUDIO BURNFREE
Supported modes: TAO PACKET SAO SAO/R96P SAO/R96R RAW/R16 RAW/R96P
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Re: [expert] CDRW

2003-07-06 Thread Richard Bown


Yer Tis

[EMAIL PROTECTED] richard]# cdrecord --checkdrive dev=1,0,0
Cdrecord 2.01a16-dvd (i586-mandrake-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2003
Jörg Schilling
Note: This version is an unofficial (modified) version with DVD support
Note: and therefore may have bugs that are not present in the original.
Note: Please send bug reports or support requests to
[EMAIL PROTECTED].
Note: The author of cdrecord is not to be bothered with problems in this
version.
scsidev: '1,0,0'
scsibus: 1 target: 0 lun: 0
Linux sg driver version: 3.1.24
Using libscg version 'schily-0.7'
Device type: Removable CD-ROM
Version: 0
Response Format: 2
Capabilities   :
Vendor_info: 'LITE-ON '
Identifikation : 'LTR-52246S  '
Revision   : '6S0D'
Device seems to be: Generic mmc CD-RW.
Using generic SCSI-3/mmc   CD-R/CD-RW driver (mmc_cdr).
Driver flags   : MMC-3 SWABAUDIO BURNFREE FORCESPEED
Supported modes: TAO PACKET SAO SAO/R96P SAO/R96R RAW/R16 RAW/R96P
RAW/R96R

HTH
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On Sun, 2003-07-06 at 13:56, Tom Brinkman wrote:
 On Sunday July 6 2003 04:52 am, charlie wrote:
  On Sun, 6 Jul 2003 03:44 am, Kwan Lowe had this to contribute :-
 
   I have 4 Lite-On burners that work flawlessly.
 
  Have to agree with 2 Lite-On burners and one CD reader only.
  Absolutely faultless.
 
   Could a few of y'all with Lite-On's post the results of
 'cdrecord --checkdrive dev=0,0,0'   Just the ID/Rev, and the last 
 several lines are relevant.  I'd like to see what these drives 
 support compared to my over 5 years old, used a lot Plextor,
 
 Identifikation : 'CD-R   PX-W8432T'
 Revision   : '1.09'
 
 Using generic SCSI-3/mmc   CD-R/CD-RW driver (mmc_cdr).
 Driver flags   : MMC SWABAUDIO
 Supported modes: TAO PACKET SAO SAO/R96P SAO/R96R RAW/R16 RAW/R96P 
 RAW/R96R
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Re: [expert] CDRW

2003-07-06 Thread Tom Brinkman
On Sunday July 6 2003 08:25 am, ed tharp wrote:
 On Sun, 2003-07-06 at 08:56, Tom Brinkman wrote:
  Using generic SCSI-3/mmc   CD-R/CD-RW driver (mmc_cdr).
  Driver flags   : MMC SWABAUDIO
  Supported modes: TAO PACKET SAO SAO/R96P SAO/R96R RAW/R16
  RAW/R96P RAW/R96R

 Mine
 Using generic SCSI-3/mmc CD-R driver (mmc_cdr).
 Driver flags   : MMC SWABAUDIO BURNFREE
 Supported modes: TAO PACKET SAO SAO/R96P SAO/R96R RAW/R16
 RAW/R96P RAW/R96R

OK, thanks Ed, same mode supports as my old drive. I don't want 
burnfree, but it can be disabled. I'm thinkin this old drive has 
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Re: [expert] CDRW

2003-07-06 Thread Greg Meyer
On Sunday 06 July 2003 08:56 am, Tom Brinkman wrote:

   Could a few of y'all with Lite-On's post the results of
 'cdrecord --checkdrive dev=0,0,0'   Just the ID/Rev, and the last

Vendor_info: 'LITE-ON '
Identifikation : 'LTR-24102B  '
Revision   : '5S54'
Device seems to be: Generic mmc CD-RW.
Using generic SCSI-3/mmc CD-R driver (mmc_cdr).
Driver flags   : MMC-3 SWABAUDIO BURNFREE
Supported modes: TAO PACKET SAO SAO/R96P SAO/R96R RAW/R16 RAW/R96P RAW/R96R

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Re: [expert] CDRW

2003-07-06 Thread dfox
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For CDRW I've got an ASUS (Yes ASUS) CDRW that rarely burns coasters
despite my best efforts to teach it how.  ($40) One thing I have

I have taken Lyvim's comments seriously and also am looking for something 
not too terribly expensive (say lesss than $100). I'm probably not going 
to be able to get a combo for that $, though.

up at the top of the list on buy.com is an iomega usb model for $75. I'm 
going to do more research on the toshiba suggestion and on some other 
possibilities. BTW, asus is rated 2 sheeps on a couple of items at that 
clone cd url which lyvim mentioned.

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Re: [expert] CDRW

2003-07-06 Thread dfox
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On Sun, 6 Jul 2003 03:44 am, Kwan Lowe had this to contribute :-

 I have 4 Lite-On burners that work flawlessly.

Have to agree with 2 Lite-On burners and one CD reader only. Absolutely
faultless.

$40 currently at pricewatch for several liteon's. Could you email me 
privately your model #'s? Pricewatch doesn't always list them. 


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Re: [expert] CDRW

2003-07-06 Thread dfox
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OK, thanks Ed, same mode supports as my old drive. I don't want
burnfree, but it can be disabled. I'm thinkin this old drive has
got to be replaced sooner or later ;)

Is yours scsi? It might be worth keeping. but I think tese days that atapi 
is getting better and better. otoh, the newer drives can burn really 
really faxt :).

the older drives might be a good choice - my scsi subsystem was purchased 
about the same time frame (1997/98) it's 50 pin and has a tape drive on 
there now. trouble is all the newer scsi stuff is ultrawide and i don't 
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Re: [expert] CDRW

2003-07-06 Thread dfox
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I have 4 Lite-On burners that work flawlessly. All were under $60. The
DVD/CDRWs tend to be a little higher.

I'll keep them in mind. My network card is asante/lite-on fwiw.  Are usb 
drives worth trying at this point? 

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Re: [expert] CDRW

2003-07-06 Thread dfox
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  Could a few of y'all with Lite-On's post the results of
'cdrecord --checkdrive dev=0,0,0'   Just the ID/Rev, and the last
 
Speaking of lite-on's any thoughts on the ltc-4816? One of the local 
stores is selling it for $72 - and it's a dvd-r / cdrw combo. I don't see 
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Re: [expert] CDRW

2003-07-06 Thread Ronald J. Hall
On Sunday 06 July 2003 12:37 pm, dfox wrote:

 be worth keeping. but I think tese days that atapi
 is getting better and better. otoh, the newer drives can burn really
 really faxt :).

I've had much better luck with SCSI than Atapi/IDE Everyone elses' mileage 
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re: [expert] cdrw

2003-07-06 Thread dfox
ok

i bit the bullet. Thanks to lyvim and other people's comments, i am going 
with a 1312 combo dvd/cdrw, from toshiba. i ordered it from micro pro and 
hope it arrives soon. i'll update folks when i get it.

with shipping and a 50 pack of media it comes to a little over $113 - not
bad. A little moer $ than i thought but it's got two sheeps on the cd 
compatibility website.


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Re: [expert] CDRW

2003-07-06 Thread Ronald J. Hall
On Sunday 06 July 2003 04:52 pm, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:

 It's not so much the difference between the atapi and scsi drives,
 it's the data bus. Copying a CD on the fly is a much safer and faster
 thing using scsi.

 wobo

Agreed. Less system resource/cpu time, responsiveness, etc, etc.

Its more like set it and forget it (to paraphrase a really annoying 
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Re: [expert] CDRW

2003-07-05 Thread dfox
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Hi all,
after compiling K3b 0.9pre 2 after reinstalling KDE, I can now burn
audio CD's on my second somewhat older CDRW.and using Gnome as the WM !

I'm not sure (since I don't have a cdrw) if there really is a difference 
in the model which would prevent k3b from doing what you want. But
while we're on the subject, I'm in the market for a burner. It's about 
time ;).

Is it pretty much a plug-n-play situation these days? I'm likely going 
atapi, and have a spare connnector (/dev/hdd). I've seen combo dvd 
readers/cd rws. are these supported? There a several out there that are 
'bare bones' it seems - prices under $50. 

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Re: [expert] CDRW

2003-07-05 Thread Kwan Lowe
On Sat, 2003-07-05 at 13:31, dfox wrote:

 Is it pretty much a plug-n-play situation these days? I'm likely going 
 atapi, and have a spare connnector (/dev/hdd). I've seen combo dvd 
 readers/cd rws. are these supported? There a several out there that are 
 'bare bones' it seems - prices under $50. 

I have 4 Lite-On burners that work flawlessly. All were under $60. The
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Re: [expert] CDRW

2003-07-05 Thread KevinO
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dfox wrote:
 I'm not sure (since I don't have a cdrw) if there really is a difference
 in the model which would prevent k3b from doing what you want.
Yes ! Some cheap drives will work okay and some are complete garbage and will
barely work at all after extensive tweaking.

 Is it pretty much a plug-n-play situation these days?
Yes. You will need a drive that works, ide-scsi emulation turned on at boot
time, and a little patience to read a couple docs and set things up with
whichever software front end you use. ( Or just use the command line tools for
simple things like copying a data CD -- use dd and cdrecord )

 I'm likely going
 atapi, and have a spare connnector (/dev/hdd). I've seen combo dvd
 readers/cd rws. are these supported? There a several out there that are
 'bare bones' it seems - prices under $50.

I have always stayed away from the cheaper drives. I have installed a half
dozen or so Yamaha's with excellent results. You will pay $$$ for them though.

I helped out a friend that had gotten a Que brand and it was a piece of crap.
I finally got it working, after a couple days worth of effort, and then it
only works sort-of.

I know some people on this list have found less expensive brands that seemed
to work well.

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Re: [expert] CDRW

2003-07-05 Thread Richard Bown
On Sat, 2003-07-05 at 18:44, Kwan Lowe wrote:
 On Sat, 2003-07-05 at 13:31, dfox wrote:
 
  Is it pretty much a plug-n-play situation these days? I'm likely going 
  atapi, and have a spare connnector (/dev/hdd). I've seen combo dvd 
  readers/cd rws. are these supported? There a several out there that are 
  'bare bones' it seems - prices under $50. 
 
 I have 4 Lite-On burners that work flawlessly. All were under $60. The
 DVD/CDRWs tend to be a little higher.
 
 
I concur with Lite-on :), stay clear of ARTEC, no matter what I tried I
could only get them to burn data files
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Re: [expert] CDRW

2003-07-05 Thread Lyvim Xaphir
On Sat, 2003-07-05 at 13:31, dfox wrote:
 Somebody scribbled about [expert] CDRW
 Hi all,
 after compiling K3b 0.9pre 2 after reinstalling KDE, I can now burn
 audio CD's on my second somewhat older CDRW.and using Gnome as the WM !
 
 I'm not sure (since I don't have a cdrw) if there really is a difference 
 in the model which would prevent k3b from doing what you want. But
 while we're on the subject, I'm in the market for a burner. It's about 
 time ;).
 
 Is it pretty much a plug-n-play situation these days? I'm likely going 
 atapi, and have a spare connnector (/dev/hdd). I've seen combo dvd 
 readers/cd rws. are these supported? There a several out there that are 
 'bare bones' it seems - prices under $50. 

Dfox,

Be real careful what you get here.  There are nice combos out there, but
when I was looking the good ones were hard to find.  The real pick for
me was a drive that would be able to do backup copies of copy protected
games or software.  If you can get a drive that does that then you've 
got a high quality drive.  Liteon has a good track record for that, or
Toshiba.  I ended up getting a Toshiba SD-R1202 DVD-R CDRW and it's been
flawless for doing very demanding stuff.  Stuff like SecureRom

The definitive place to look for the best cdrw's is the CloneCD site. 
There they have a bunch of drives already tested by the cdrw hackers, so
you can look through it all and pick what you want based on hard
performance rather than heresay.

For example consider the data that I researched before I bought my
drive.

http://www.elby.ch/en/products/clone_cd/writers/t.html#toshiba

At the left of this page you will see indices's for just about all of
the DVD or cdrw makers.  Check out the Toshiba SD-R1202, you see several
things.  They are all vital.

1. Best Write Mode --  RAW-DAO 96

2. Best Read Mode  --  RAW+96

3. Best Audio Read Mode -- RAW+96

4. Buffer-Underrun Technology  --  Two Sheeps

5. Correct EFM- Encoding  --  Two Sheeps

Two sheeps is the highest rating for a characteristic.  The read and
write modes you see above are the best ones available; not all drives
offer these modes, in fact the majority of the drives out there will not
give you this level of flexibility.  The bottom of the URL page is an
interesting section, the legend, and here are a few tidbits:

Best Write Mode

RAW-DAO 96 = 2352 bytes RAW Data + 96 Bytes P-W Subchannel Data. This is
the best mode for CloneCD. It allows writing of all subchannel
information, including Digital Signatures, CD-Text, ISRC, Catalog
Numbers, CD+G, CD+MIDI, Gaps, Indices and Crazy TOCs.
RAW-DAO 94 = 2352 bytes RAW Data + 94 Bytes P-W Subchannel Data. Same as
RAW-DAO 96, but 2-Bytes CRC of the Q Subchannel are generated by the
writer.
RAW-DAO 16 = 2352 bytes RAW Data + 16 Bytes P-Q Subchannel Data. This is
the second best mode for CloneCD. It allows writing of most subchannel
information, including most Digital Signatures, ISRC, Catalog Numbers,
Gaps, Indices and Crazy TOCs. 2-Bytes CRC of the Q Subchannel are
generated by the writer.
RAW-SAO = 2352 bytes RAW Data. This is the third best mode for CloneCD.
Feature support is drive dependend. ISRC, Catalog Numbers and Indices
can be written. Usually CD-Text, CD+G and CD+MIDI can be written as
well. Crazy TOCs and Digital Signatures can't be written in this mode.
SAO = 2352 bytes error corrected Data. This is the worst mode for
CloneCD. Writing of ISRC, Catalog Numbers, Indices and usually CD- Text
is supported.
- = Writing to this drive is not supported. CloneCD will not recognize
the drive as a CD-Recorder.


Correct EFM-Encoding

Two Sheeps = Drive writes regular bit patterns correctly.
One Sheep  = Drive writes regular bit patterns almost correctly.
Gray Sheep = Drive does not write regular bit patterns correctly or has
not yet been tested. Use Emulate weak sectors.

Best Data-Read Mode

RAW+96 = 2352 bytes RAW Data + 96 Bytes P-W Subchannel Data. This is the
best mode for CloneCD. Reads all subchannel information like ISRC,
Catalog Numbers, CD+G, CD+MIDI, Gaps, Indices, Digital Signatures.
RAW+16 = 2352 bytes RAW Data + 16 Bytes P-Q Subchannel Data. This is the
second best mode for CloneCD. Reads most subchannel information like
Gaps, Indices and most Digital Signatures.
RAW = 2352 bytes RAW Data. No Subchannel Data can be read.
- = Reading from this drive is not supported.

Best Audio-Read Mode

RAW+96 = 2352 bytes RAW Data + 96 Bytes P-W Subchannel Data. This is the
best mode for CloneCD. Reads all subchannel information like ISRC,
Catalog Numbers, CD+G, CD+MIDI, Gaps, Indices, Digital Signatures.
RAW+16 = 2352 bytes RAW Data + 16 Bytes P-Q Subchannel Data. This is the
second best mode for CloneCD. Reads most subchannel information like
Gaps, Indices and most Digital Signatures.
RAW = 2352 bytes RAW Data. No Subchannel Data can be read.
- = Reading from this drive is not supported.





The verbage above reads best modes for CloneCD; in actuality these
hardware modes (that the Toshiba SD-R1202 

Re: [expert] CDRW

2003-07-05 Thread James Sparenberg
On Sat, 2003-07-05 at 11:00, KevinO wrote:
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 dfox wrote:
  I'm not sure (since I don't have a cdrw) if there really is a difference
  in the model which would prevent k3b from doing what you want.
 Yes ! Some cheap drives will work okay and some are complete garbage and will
 barely work at all after extensive tweaking.
 
  Is it pretty much a plug-n-play situation these days?
 Yes. You will need a drive that works, ide-scsi emulation turned on at boot
 time, and a little patience to read a couple docs and set things up with
 whichever software front end you use. ( Or just use the command line tools for
 simple things like copying a data CD -- use dd and cdrecord )
 
  I'm likely going
  atapi, and have a spare connnector (/dev/hdd). I've seen combo dvd
  readers/cd rws. are these supported? There a several out there that are
  'bare bones' it seems - prices under $50.
 
 I have always stayed away from the cheaper drives. I have installed a half
 dozen or so Yamaha's with excellent results. You will pay $$$ for them though.
 
 I helped out a friend that had gotten a Que brand and it was a piece of crap.
 I finally got it working, after a couple days worth of effort, and then it
 only works sort-of.
 
 I know some people on this list have found less expensive brands that seemed
 to work well.

For CDRW I've got an ASUS (Yes ASUS) CDRW that rarely burns coasters
despite my best efforts to teach it how.  ($40) One thing I have
learned.  Never burn a disk at a speed higher than the box that reads it
can do.  My DVD/CD on the laptop is 8x if I go higher when burning it,
the laptop often has trouble.  But if I stay at =8x... no sweat.



James

 
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RE: [expert] cdrw cant burn

2001-11-26 Thread Klar Brian D Contr MSG SICN

For some reason insmod sg didn't work, besides the sg module
was loaded already. Found a work around though.
Clunky way, but it worked. See another post on this.


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Subject: Re: [expert] cdrw cant burn


Looks like the sg module is not loaded.
Do 'insmod sg' as root and try
cdrecord -scanbus
again.  The /dev/scd0 device is not used for the Recording. Only for
reading CD.



Klar Brian D Contr MSG SICN wrote:

I have a recent iinstall of Mandrake 8.1. Using devfs,
how do you burn a cd with cdrecord? 
Cdrecord gives:
[root /dev] cdrecord -scanbus
Cdrecord 1.10 (i586-mandrake-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2001 Jörg Schilling
cdrecord: Read-only file system. Cannot open '/dev/sg0'. Cannot open SCSI driver.
cdrecord: For possible targets try 'cdrecord -scanbus'. Make sure you are root.

fstab entry is: /dev/scd0 /mnt/cdrom auto 
user,iocharset=iso8859-1,umask=0,exec,codepage=850,rw,noauto 0 0

and /dev entries are:
[root /dev] ls -l scd0
lr-xr-xr-x1 root root   31 Nov 20 16:56 scd0 - 
scsi/host1/bus0/target0/lun0/cd

[root /dev] ls -l cdrom
lr-xr-xr-x1 root root   13 Nov 20 16:56 cdrom - cdroms/cdrom0

How does one use a burner with devfs??

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Re: [expert] cdrw cant burn

2001-11-21 Thread Expert User

Looks like the sg module is not loaded.
Do 'insmod sg' as root and try
cdrecord -scanbus
again.  The /dev/scd0 device is not used for the Recording. Only for
reading CD.



Klar Brian D Contr MSG SICN wrote:

I have a recent iinstall of Mandrake 8.1. Using devfs,
how do you burn a cd with cdrecord? 
Cdrecord gives:
[root /dev] cdrecord -scanbus
Cdrecord 1.10 (i586-mandrake-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2001 Jörg Schilling
cdrecord: Read-only file system. Cannot open '/dev/sg0'. Cannot open SCSI driver.
cdrecord: For possible targets try 'cdrecord -scanbus'. Make sure you are root.

fstab entry is: /dev/scd0 /mnt/cdrom auto 
user,iocharset=iso8859-1,umask=0,exec,codepage=850,rw,noauto 0 0

and /dev entries are:
[root /dev] ls -l scd0
lr-xr-xr-x1 root root   31 Nov 20 16:56 scd0 - 
scsi/host1/bus0/target0/lun0/cd

[root /dev] ls -l cdrom
lr-xr-xr-x1 root root   13 Nov 20 16:56 cdrom - cdroms/cdrom0

How does one use a burner with devfs??

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Re: [expert] cdrw .../dev/scd0

2001-10-24 Thread Hoyt Duff

On Tuesday 23 October 2001 06:41 pm, you wrote:
 Anyone can tell me how can i create the device /dev/scd0
 or...scd1or ...i delete it by mistake :-(



The file /usr/src/linux-2.4.8/Documentation/devices.txt will list the major 
and minor device numbers for character and block devices.

The mknod command (see man mknod for a brief explanation, or info mknod for 
more details) is used to create the file in /dev using the major and minor 
numbers

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Re: [expert] CDRW compatability

2001-09-25 Thread etharp

I remember reading that ALL normal ide cdwriters are supported with SCSI 
emulation

On Tuesday 25 September 2001 19:07, you had thoughts to the concept of:
 On Tuesday, Sep 11, 2001, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  is anyone out there using either of the following CD RWs with Mandrake
  7.2?
 
  Philips PCRW1208
  Sony CRX160E
 
  i'm looking at buying one of those.  they are not listed in the
  compatable hardware list at the mandrake site.  both are IDE.

 Mine isn't listed either (it's a CRX140E), and it works just fine.  I'm
 99% sure the Sony one will work, don't know about Phillips.


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Re: [expert] CDRW compatability

2001-09-12 Thread A V Flinsch

On Tuesday 11 September 2001 07:16 pm, you wrote:
 is anyone out there using either of the following CD RWs with Mandrake
 7.2?

 Philips PCRW1208

Not that Philips model, but I have an older Philips 460 and it works just 
great.

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Re: [expert] CDRW compatability

2001-09-11 Thread etharp

BIG GRIN jeez, I would think you woould want to buy the more recent 
versions of MDK (like an 8.0 Powerpack or Mandrakefreq) befor you spent money 
on more hardware, and I be they work with the newer versions. /BIG GRIN
On Tuesday 11 September 2001 19:16, you had thoughts to the concept of:
 is anyone out there using either of the following CD RWs with Mandrake 7.2?

 Philips PCRW1208
 Sony CRX160E

 i'm looking at buying one of those.  they are not listed in the compatable
 hardware list at the mandrake site.  both are IDE.

 thanks
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Re: [expert] CDRW compatability

2001-09-11 Thread Mitch Thompson

On Tuesday 11 September 2001 06:16 pm, you wrote:
 is anyone out there using either of the following CD RWs with Mandrake 7.2?

 Philips PCRW1208
 Sony CRX160E

 i'm looking at buying one of those.  they are not listed in the compatable
 hardware list at the mandrake site.  both are IDE.

 thanks
 adrian

I have the older Phillips CDRW0804, and it works fine here...Even though it 
is an IDE, you address it as a SCSI using the module ide-scsi.

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Re: [expert] CDRW Drive Addition

2001-06-11 Thread Ron Stodden

Caleb Newville wrote:
 
 Ok, so I have the SCSI emulation working, and HardDrake confirms that.
 I would now like to know a good piece of burn software (KDE prefered).

cdrecord is in Mandrake 8.0 and is very easy to use from the command
line (always use -v).   You must be root.

Run cdrecord -scanbus to verify your scsi emulation is working.  
This will aslo give you the parameters you will need for the dev
parameter of cdrecord.

Read:

man cdrecord

man mkisofs

PS.  My experience is than NONE of the GUI base cdwriting packages
work.

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Re: [expert] CDRW Drive Addition

2001-06-11 Thread Nick Thompson

cdrecord checks access permissions against the users login before giving
access to files, not relying solely on the OS to do this. It is therefore
okay to make it SUID root. Once you do that you don't need root access to
burn CDs.

The GUIs do work of course, but it maybe true that some are better than
others. I use kisocd (kisocdII for kde2). It doesn't look so cool or slick,
but it does the job okay. Its best feature is that it supports mkisofs
features that allow you to pick files/dirs to write and allows you to
pre-organize them into a new dir structure that will be written to CD. Most
GUIs will only let you write a pre-existing dir structure. This feature
works really well when selecting a bunch of carefully chosen dirs for
backup. Other GUIs really NEED this feature.

After kisocd, koncd looks like a reasonable bet.

Goto http://apps.kde.com/ and do a search for CD to find others a reviews.

Nick.

Ron Stodden wrote:

 Caleb Newville wrote:
 
  Ok, so I have the SCSI emulation working, and HardDrake confirms that.
  I would now like to know a good piece of burn software (KDE prefered).

 cdrecord is in Mandrake 8.0 and is very easy to use from the command
 line (always use -v).   You must be root.

 Run cdrecord -scanbus to verify your scsi emulation is working.
 This will aslo give you the parameters you will need for the dev
 parameter of cdrecord.

 Read:

 man cdrecord

 man mkisofs

 PS.  My experience is than NONE of the GUI base cdwriting packages
 work.





Re: [expert] CDRW Drive Addition

2001-06-11 Thread Ron Stodden

Nick Thompson wrote:
 
 cdrecord checks access permissions against the users login before giving
 access to files, not relying solely on the OS to do this. It is therefore
 okay to make it SUID root. Once you do that you don't need root access to
 burn CDs.

Thanks.

 The GUIs do work of course, but it maybe true that some are better than
 others. I use kisocd (kisocdII for kde2). 

Yes, but kisocd (or kisocdII) have disappeared from Mandrake 8.0   As
I stated, I found the rest of the GUI burners effectively incompetent
and useless for the simple things I wanted to do.   Yes, every one!

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Re: [expert] CDRW Drive Addition

2001-06-11 Thread Tom Brinkman

On Monday 11 June 2001 07:38 am, Ron Stodden wrote:

 Yes, but kisocd (or kisocdII) have disappeared from Mandrake 8.0   As
 I stated, I found the rest of the GUI burners effectively incompetent
 and useless for the simple things I wanted to do.   Yes, every one!

   Well, I'll havt'a try KisoCD.  I really like KOnCD, but it and a few
 others (eg, XCDroast, Gtoaster) error out when trying to burn 80min
 (750+mb's) audio CD's from wav's.  Problem seems to be as soon as files
 are added to the 'to be burned' list once 650mb is surpassed, even tho
 I always check the 'ignore media size' options. XCDroast errors on
 calculating size, won't let you burn. KOnCD and Gtoaster segfault when
 650 is exceeded in the file list. Gcombust doesn't have these problems.
 I've recently burned 78 to 79mins (~780mb's) to 80min/700mb CD's using
 Gcombust.  I sure like KOnCD's GUI and simplicity much better tho. I've
 never had a problem with it burning 650mb CD's, data, audio, copying
 CD's, or making bootable CD's.

  Usually I prefer the CL, but burning Cd's is one thing I like doin
 with a GUI.  Plextor 8432 (2nd ide slave) on a oc'd PIII, BX   
 motherboard system.

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Re: [expert] CDRW Drive Addition

2001-06-11 Thread Caleb Newville


OK, I downloaded and compiled KOnCD, and it appears to be doign it's job,
but cdrecord is not, I get this output both via command line and KOnCD.


Cdrecord 1.9 (i586-mandrake-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2000 Jörg
Schilling
TOC Type: 1 = CD-ROM
scsidev: '0,0,0'
scsibus: 0 target: 0 lun: 0
Linux sg driver version: 3.1.17
Using libscg version 'schily-0.1'
atapi: 1
Device type: Removable CD-ROM
Version: 0
Response Format: 1
Vendor_info: 'Memorex '
Identifikation : 'CRW-1622'
Revision   : 'D4.0'
Device seems to be: Generic mmc CD-RW.
Using generic SCSI-3/mmc CD-R driver (mmc_cdr).
Driver flags   : SWABAUDIO
Drive buf size : 1839104 = 1796 KB
FIFO size  : 4194304 = 4096 KB

Track 01: data  617 MB
Total size: 709 MB (70:15.28) = 316146 sectors
Lout start: 709 MB (70:17/21) = 316146 sectors
Current Secsize: 2048
ATIP start of lead in:  -11511 (97:28/39)
ATIP start of lead out: 359849 (79:59/74)
Disk type:Short strategy type (Phthalocyanine or similar)
Manuf. index: 1
Manufacturer: Auvistar Industry Co.,Ltd.
Blocks total: 359849 Blocks current: 359849 Blocks remaining: 43703
Starting to write CD/DVD at speed 2 in write mode for single session.
Last chance to quit, starting real write in 9 seconds.
8 seconds.
7 seconds.
6 seconds.
5 seconds.
4 seconds.
3 seconds.
2 seconds.
1 seconds.
Waiting for reader process to fill input buffer ...
input buffer ready.
Performing OPC...

cdrecord: Input/output error. send opc: scsi sendcmd: retryable error
status: 0x0 (GOOD STATUS)
cdrecord: Resource temporarily unavailable. OPC failed.

CDB:  54 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00

CDB:  1B 00 00 00 02 00
cmd finished after 0.051s timeout 40s

cdrecord: Input/output error. start/stop unit: scsi sendcmd: retryable
error
status: 0x0 (GOOD STATUS)
cdrecord: fifo had 64 puts and 0 gets.
cdrecord: fifo was 0 times empty and 0 times full, min fill was 100%.
  


Can someone help me figure this one out?  Thanks for all the help so far
and in advance for this one.

-Caleb Newville


Tom Brinkman writes:
Well, I'll havt'a try KisoCD.  I really like KOnCD, but it and a few
  others (eg, XCDroast, Gtoaster) error out when trying to burn 80min
  (750+mb's) audio CD's from wav's.  Problem seems to be as soon as files
  are added to the 'to be burned' list once 650mb is surpassed, even tho
  I always check the 'ignore media size' options. XCDroast errors on
  calculating size, won't let you burn. KOnCD and Gtoaster segfault when
  650 is exceeded in the file list. Gcombust doesn't have these problems.
  I've recently burned 78 to 79mins (~780mb's) to 80min/700mb CD's using
  Gcombust.  I sure like KOnCD's GUI and simplicity much better tho. I've
  never had a problem with it burning 650mb CD's, data, audio, copying
  CD's, or making bootable CD's.




Re: [expert] CDRW won't mount with Kernel 2.4.1

2001-02-08 Thread William Reinhart

Try mounting /dev/hdd instead of the /dev/scd* scsi device.  It worked for my CDRW


In "[expert] CDRW won't mount with Kernel 2.4.1", on Thu, 08 Feb 2001, Trent M. 
Gunnarson wrote:
 Hello all,

 The succinct version is as follows:
 Given:LM 7.2, Kernel 2.4.1mdk RPM, HP CDRW 7200+, IDE-SCSI (/dev/hdd),
   Grub entry "hdd=ide-scsi", nothing but the kernel has been changed.

 The drive *does* mount and write using 2.2.18mdk
 The drive does *not* mount but *will* write using 2.4.1mdk
 Where is the problem and how do I fix it ?

 I found and repaired the supermount problem (bad path to supermount.o in
 mandrake-everytime).  Other than the issue with the cdrw, I'm quite
 enthusiastic about the whole distribution and Linux/GNU in general.  If
 need be, I'll simply forget about mounting this drive and use the other CD
 drive for mounting (/dev/hdc).  Is there a heads up page for system
 configuration changes when using 2.4 series kernels ? I know that the new
 devfs will be a significant change for some of us. ;-}

 Thanks for the assistance. I've only joined 2 days ago and already I've
 gotten my money's worth.  :-p

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RE: [expert] CDRW wrong major or minor error

2000-11-07 Thread Rich Jones

fred

 expert 11/06/00 21:22 

fred

 expert 11/06/00 21:12 

fred

 expert 11/06/00 20:02 

fred

 expert 11/06/00 19:53 

fred

 expert 11/06/00 19:40 

fred

 expert 11/06/00 18:53 

fred

 expert 11/06/00 17:17 

Here is what I eventually did to fix mine:

I compiled a custom kernel (4.0 test9) with the following options:
SCSI support: On
SCSI CD-ROM support: Module
SCSI Generic support: On

Include IDE/ATAPI CDROM support: Off
SCSI emulation support: Module

I also had to edit the etc/modules.conf file installed by Mandrake:
# alias block-major-11 scsi-hostadapter  (commented this out)
alias scsi_hostadapter ide-scsi (added this in)

VIOLA!  it works.  

Here is what I discovered:
with the block-major-11 alias in, mounting /dev/cdrom (scd0) loads the
ide-scsi module (nothing else), but I then get the "major number" error.

If I comment out the block-major-11 alias, I get the same error, but the
sr_mod module and the cdrom module are both loaded.

If I manually load the ide-scsi module, I can mount the drive successfulyy.
 


So, I need to play with the aliases in modules.conf some more, but I am
close.  

Hope this helps in your quest.

Thx... HH

On Mon, 06 Nov 2000 12:16:09 "Zelck, Guy" wrote:
 Hello Harry,
 
 I've got mine working with the std. kernel but also have a few problems
 with
 my 2nd cd drive.
 If I do 'cdrecord --scanbus' my 2nd drive isn't seen. Cdrecord is a
 convenient method to see which scsi devices are recognized.  
 
  I have tried several things to correct this.  I can mount a CD  from 
  /dev/hdc, so that works, but it doesn't seem to want to use 
  the /dev/scd0 
  device in the 2.4 kernel.  I have tried re-compiling the 
  kernel with SCSI 
  support as a module, and built in, and with ATAPI CDROM as a 
  module, built 
  in, and not at all (if it is not compiled in at all, I cannot use the 
  /dev/hdc, and the /dev/scd0 still gives the above error.
  
 Do you have sth. like "append hdc=ide-scsi" in you lilo.conf?
 
  The actual devices are listed as major "cdwriter" and minor 11.
 
 Cdwriter is the owner/group of the device file, not the major.
 Is your /dev/cdrom linked to /dev/scd0?
 I myself also wonder why they used this user/group for the device. What's
 the idea behind it?
 
 
 For my own problems:
 My 1st drive is a cdrw, the 2nd a cdrom drive. I can mount them both and
 use
 them for file browsing. But audio can't be played from my 2nd cdrom drive
 with e.g. kscd (well, it reads the tracks but when trying to play it says
 "ejected"). Neither does cdrecord see it when it scans the bus. With my
 previous MD6.0. I had it all working but I compiled the kernel myself. I
 even had parallell port scsi working to access my hp5200c scanner. This
 doesn't work either yet. When I examine messages.log I can see that both
 devices are recognized.
 Anyone any insights into this?
 
 Cu,
 
 Guy.
 
 
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RE: [expert] CDRW wrong major or minor error

2000-11-06 Thread Zelck, Guy

Hello Harry,

I've got mine working with the std. kernel but also have a few problems with
my 2nd cd drive.
If I do 'cdrecord --scanbus' my 2nd drive isn't seen. Cdrecord is a
convenient method to see which scsi devices are recognized.  

 I have tried several things to correct this.  I can mount a CD  from 
 /dev/hdc, so that works, but it doesn't seem to want to use 
 the /dev/scd0 
 device in the 2.4 kernel.  I have tried re-compiling the 
 kernel with SCSI 
 support as a module, and built in, and with ATAPI CDROM as a 
 module, built 
 in, and not at all (if it is not compiled in at all, I cannot use the 
 /dev/hdc, and the /dev/scd0 still gives the above error.
 
Do you have sth. like "append hdc=ide-scsi" in you lilo.conf?

 The actual devices are listed as major "cdwriter" and minor 11.

Cdwriter is the owner/group of the device file, not the major.
Is your /dev/cdrom linked to /dev/scd0?
I myself also wonder why they used this user/group for the device. What's
the idea behind it?


For my own problems:
My 1st drive is a cdrw, the 2nd a cdrom drive. I can mount them both and use
them for file browsing. But audio can't be played from my 2nd cdrom drive
with e.g. kscd (well, it reads the tracks but when trying to play it says
"ejected"). Neither does cdrecord see it when it scans the bus. With my
previous MD6.0. I had it all working but I compiled the kernel myself. I
even had parallell port scsi working to access my hp5200c scanner. This
doesn't work either yet. When I examine messages.log I can see that both
devices are recognized.
Anyone any insights into this?

Cu,

Guy.



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RE: [expert] CDRW wrong major or minor error

2000-11-06 Thread Harry Holt

Here is what I eventually did to fix mine:

I compiled a custom kernel (4.0 test9) with the following options:
SCSI support: On
SCSI CD-ROM support: Module
SCSI Generic support: On

Include IDE/ATAPI CDROM support: Off
SCSI emulation support: Module

I also had to edit the etc/modules.conf file installed by Mandrake:
# alias block-major-11 scsi-hostadapter  (commented this out)
alias scsi_hostadapter ide-scsi (added this in)

VIOLA!  it works.  

Here is what I discovered:
with the block-major-11 alias in, mounting /dev/cdrom (scd0) loads the
ide-scsi module (nothing else), but I then get the "major number" error.

If I comment out the block-major-11 alias, I get the same error, but the
sr_mod module and the cdrom module are both loaded.

If I manually load the ide-scsi module, I can mount the drive successfulyy.
 


So, I need to play with the aliases in modules.conf some more, but I am
close.  

Hope this helps in your quest.

Thx... HH

On Mon, 06 Nov 2000 12:16:09 "Zelck, Guy" wrote:
 Hello Harry,
 
 I've got mine working with the std. kernel but also have a few problems
 with
 my 2nd cd drive.
 If I do 'cdrecord --scanbus' my 2nd drive isn't seen. Cdrecord is a
 convenient method to see which scsi devices are recognized.  
 
  I have tried several things to correct this.  I can mount a CD  from 
  /dev/hdc, so that works, but it doesn't seem to want to use 
  the /dev/scd0 
  device in the 2.4 kernel.  I have tried re-compiling the 
  kernel with SCSI 
  support as a module, and built in, and with ATAPI CDROM as a 
  module, built 
  in, and not at all (if it is not compiled in at all, I cannot use the 
  /dev/hdc, and the /dev/scd0 still gives the above error.
  
 Do you have sth. like "append hdc=ide-scsi" in you lilo.conf?
 
  The actual devices are listed as major "cdwriter" and minor 11.
 
 Cdwriter is the owner/group of the device file, not the major.
 Is your /dev/cdrom linked to /dev/scd0?
 I myself also wonder why they used this user/group for the device. What's
 the idea behind it?
 
 
 For my own problems:
 My 1st drive is a cdrw, the 2nd a cdrom drive. I can mount them both and
 use
 them for file browsing. But audio can't be played from my 2nd cdrom drive
 with e.g. kscd (well, it reads the tracks but when trying to play it says
 "ejected"). Neither does cdrecord see it when it scans the bus. With my
 previous MD6.0. I had it all working but I compiled the kernel myself. I
 even had parallell port scsi working to access my hp5200c scanner. This
 doesn't work either yet. When I examine messages.log I can see that both
 devices are recognized.
 Anyone any insights into this?
 
 Cu,
 
 Guy.
 
 
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RE: [expert] CDRW wrong major or minor error

2000-11-06 Thread Rich Jones

fred

 expert 11/06/00 17:17 

Here is what I eventually did to fix mine:

I compiled a custom kernel (4.0 test9) with the following options:
SCSI support: On
SCSI CD-ROM support: Module
SCSI Generic support: On

Include IDE/ATAPI CDROM support: Off
SCSI emulation support: Module

I also had to edit the etc/modules.conf file installed by Mandrake:
# alias block-major-11 scsi-hostadapter  (commented this out)
alias scsi_hostadapter ide-scsi (added this in)

VIOLA!  it works.  

Here is what I discovered:
with the block-major-11 alias in, mounting /dev/cdrom (scd0) loads the
ide-scsi module (nothing else), but I then get the "major number" error.

If I comment out the block-major-11 alias, I get the same error, but the
sr_mod module and the cdrom module are both loaded.

If I manually load the ide-scsi module, I can mount the drive successfulyy.
 


So, I need to play with the aliases in modules.conf some more, but I am
close.  

Hope this helps in your quest.

Thx... HH

On Mon, 06 Nov 2000 12:16:09 "Zelck, Guy" wrote:
 Hello Harry,
 
 I've got mine working with the std. kernel but also have a few problems
 with
 my 2nd cd drive.
 If I do 'cdrecord --scanbus' my 2nd drive isn't seen. Cdrecord is a
 convenient method to see which scsi devices are recognized.  
 
  I have tried several things to correct this.  I can mount a CD  from 
  /dev/hdc, so that works, but it doesn't seem to want to use 
  the /dev/scd0 
  device in the 2.4 kernel.  I have tried re-compiling the 
  kernel with SCSI 
  support as a module, and built in, and with ATAPI CDROM as a 
  module, built 
  in, and not at all (if it is not compiled in at all, I cannot use the 
  /dev/hdc, and the /dev/scd0 still gives the above error.
  
 Do you have sth. like "append hdc=ide-scsi" in you lilo.conf?
 
  The actual devices are listed as major "cdwriter" and minor 11.
 
 Cdwriter is the owner/group of the device file, not the major.
 Is your /dev/cdrom linked to /dev/scd0?
 I myself also wonder why they used this user/group for the device. What's
 the idea behind it?
 
 
 For my own problems:
 My 1st drive is a cdrw, the 2nd a cdrom drive. I can mount them both and
 use
 them for file browsing. But audio can't be played from my 2nd cdrom drive
 with e.g. kscd (well, it reads the tracks but when trying to play it says
 "ejected"). Neither does cdrecord see it when it scans the bus. With my
 previous MD6.0. I had it all working but I compiled the kernel myself. I
 even had parallell port scsi working to access my hp5200c scanner. This
 doesn't work either yet. When I examine messages.log I can see that both
 devices are recognized.
 Anyone any insights into this?
 
 Cu,
 
 Guy.
 
 
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RE: [expert] CDRW wrong major or minor error

2000-11-06 Thread Rich Jones

fred

 expert 11/06/00 18:53 

fred

 expert 11/06/00 17:17 

Here is what I eventually did to fix mine:

I compiled a custom kernel (4.0 test9) with the following options:
SCSI support: On
SCSI CD-ROM support: Module
SCSI Generic support: On

Include IDE/ATAPI CDROM support: Off
SCSI emulation support: Module

I also had to edit the etc/modules.conf file installed by Mandrake:
# alias block-major-11 scsi-hostadapter  (commented this out)
alias scsi_hostadapter ide-scsi (added this in)

VIOLA!  it works.  

Here is what I discovered:
with the block-major-11 alias in, mounting /dev/cdrom (scd0) loads the
ide-scsi module (nothing else), but I then get the "major number" error.

If I comment out the block-major-11 alias, I get the same error, but the
sr_mod module and the cdrom module are both loaded.

If I manually load the ide-scsi module, I can mount the drive successfulyy.
 


So, I need to play with the aliases in modules.conf some more, but I am
close.  

Hope this helps in your quest.

Thx... HH

On Mon, 06 Nov 2000 12:16:09 "Zelck, Guy" wrote:
 Hello Harry,
 
 I've got mine working with the std. kernel but also have a few problems
 with
 my 2nd cd drive.
 If I do 'cdrecord --scanbus' my 2nd drive isn't seen. Cdrecord is a
 convenient method to see which scsi devices are recognized.  
 
  I have tried several things to correct this.  I can mount a CD  from 
  /dev/hdc, so that works, but it doesn't seem to want to use 
  the /dev/scd0 
  device in the 2.4 kernel.  I have tried re-compiling the 
  kernel with SCSI 
  support as a module, and built in, and with ATAPI CDROM as a 
  module, built 
  in, and not at all (if it is not compiled in at all, I cannot use the 
  /dev/hdc, and the /dev/scd0 still gives the above error.
  
 Do you have sth. like "append hdc=ide-scsi" in you lilo.conf?
 
  The actual devices are listed as major "cdwriter" and minor 11.
 
 Cdwriter is the owner/group of the device file, not the major.
 Is your /dev/cdrom linked to /dev/scd0?
 I myself also wonder why they used this user/group for the device. What's
 the idea behind it?
 
 
 For my own problems:
 My 1st drive is a cdrw, the 2nd a cdrom drive. I can mount them both and
 use
 them for file browsing. But audio can't be played from my 2nd cdrom drive
 with e.g. kscd (well, it reads the tracks but when trying to play it says
 "ejected"). Neither does cdrecord see it when it scans the bus. With my
 previous MD6.0. I had it all working but I compiled the kernel myself. I
 even had parallell port scsi working to access my hp5200c scanner. This
 doesn't work either yet. When I examine messages.log I can see that both
 devices are recognized.
 Anyone any insights into this?
 
 Cu,
 
 Guy.
 
 
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RE: [expert] CDRW wrong major or minor error

2000-11-06 Thread Rich Jones

fred

 expert 11/06/00 19:40 

fred

 expert 11/06/00 18:53 

fred

 expert 11/06/00 17:17 

Here is what I eventually did to fix mine:

I compiled a custom kernel (4.0 test9) with the following options:
SCSI support: On
SCSI CD-ROM support: Module
SCSI Generic support: On

Include IDE/ATAPI CDROM support: Off
SCSI emulation support: Module

I also had to edit the etc/modules.conf file installed by Mandrake:
# alias block-major-11 scsi-hostadapter  (commented this out)
alias scsi_hostadapter ide-scsi (added this in)

VIOLA!  it works.  

Here is what I discovered:
with the block-major-11 alias in, mounting /dev/cdrom (scd0) loads the
ide-scsi module (nothing else), but I then get the "major number" error.

If I comment out the block-major-11 alias, I get the same error, but the
sr_mod module and the cdrom module are both loaded.

If I manually load the ide-scsi module, I can mount the drive successfulyy.
 


So, I need to play with the aliases in modules.conf some more, but I am
close.  

Hope this helps in your quest.

Thx... HH

On Mon, 06 Nov 2000 12:16:09 "Zelck, Guy" wrote:
 Hello Harry,
 
 I've got mine working with the std. kernel but also have a few problems
 with
 my 2nd cd drive.
 If I do 'cdrecord --scanbus' my 2nd drive isn't seen. Cdrecord is a
 convenient method to see which scsi devices are recognized.  
 
  I have tried several things to correct this.  I can mount a CD  from 
  /dev/hdc, so that works, but it doesn't seem to want to use 
  the /dev/scd0 
  device in the 2.4 kernel.  I have tried re-compiling the 
  kernel with SCSI 
  support as a module, and built in, and with ATAPI CDROM as a 
  module, built 
  in, and not at all (if it is not compiled in at all, I cannot use the 
  /dev/hdc, and the /dev/scd0 still gives the above error.
  
 Do you have sth. like "append hdc=ide-scsi" in you lilo.conf?
 
  The actual devices are listed as major "cdwriter" and minor 11.
 
 Cdwriter is the owner/group of the device file, not the major.
 Is your /dev/cdrom linked to /dev/scd0?
 I myself also wonder why they used this user/group for the device. What's
 the idea behind it?
 
 
 For my own problems:
 My 1st drive is a cdrw, the 2nd a cdrom drive. I can mount them both and
 use
 them for file browsing. But audio can't be played from my 2nd cdrom drive
 with e.g. kscd (well, it reads the tracks but when trying to play it says
 "ejected"). Neither does cdrecord see it when it scans the bus. With my
 previous MD6.0. I had it all working but I compiled the kernel myself. I
 even had parallell port scsi working to access my hp5200c scanner. This
 doesn't work either yet. When I examine messages.log I can see that both
 devices are recognized.
 Anyone any insights into this?
 
 Cu,
 
 Guy.
 
 
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RE: [expert] CDRW wrong major or minor error

2000-11-06 Thread Rich Jones

fred

 expert 11/06/00 19:53 

fred

 expert 11/06/00 19:40 

fred

 expert 11/06/00 18:53 

fred

 expert 11/06/00 17:17 

Here is what I eventually did to fix mine:

I compiled a custom kernel (4.0 test9) with the following options:
SCSI support: On
SCSI CD-ROM support: Module
SCSI Generic support: On

Include IDE/ATAPI CDROM support: Off
SCSI emulation support: Module

I also had to edit the etc/modules.conf file installed by Mandrake:
# alias block-major-11 scsi-hostadapter  (commented this out)
alias scsi_hostadapter ide-scsi (added this in)

VIOLA!  it works.  

Here is what I discovered:
with the block-major-11 alias in, mounting /dev/cdrom (scd0) loads the
ide-scsi module (nothing else), but I then get the "major number" error.

If I comment out the block-major-11 alias, I get the same error, but the
sr_mod module and the cdrom module are both loaded.

If I manually load the ide-scsi module, I can mount the drive successfulyy.
 


So, I need to play with the aliases in modules.conf some more, but I am
close.  

Hope this helps in your quest.

Thx... HH

On Mon, 06 Nov 2000 12:16:09 "Zelck, Guy" wrote:
 Hello Harry,
 
 I've got mine working with the std. kernel but also have a few problems
 with
 my 2nd cd drive.
 If I do 'cdrecord --scanbus' my 2nd drive isn't seen. Cdrecord is a
 convenient method to see which scsi devices are recognized.  
 
  I have tried several things to correct this.  I can mount a CD  from 
  /dev/hdc, so that works, but it doesn't seem to want to use 
  the /dev/scd0 
  device in the 2.4 kernel.  I have tried re-compiling the 
  kernel with SCSI 
  support as a module, and built in, and with ATAPI CDROM as a 
  module, built 
  in, and not at all (if it is not compiled in at all, I cannot use the 
  /dev/hdc, and the /dev/scd0 still gives the above error.
  
 Do you have sth. like "append hdc=ide-scsi" in you lilo.conf?
 
  The actual devices are listed as major "cdwriter" and minor 11.
 
 Cdwriter is the owner/group of the device file, not the major.
 Is your /dev/cdrom linked to /dev/scd0?
 I myself also wonder why they used this user/group for the device. What's
 the idea behind it?
 
 
 For my own problems:
 My 1st drive is a cdrw, the 2nd a cdrom drive. I can mount them both and
 use
 them for file browsing. But audio can't be played from my 2nd cdrom drive
 with e.g. kscd (well, it reads the tracks but when trying to play it says
 "ejected"). Neither does cdrecord see it when it scans the bus. With my
 previous MD6.0. I had it all working but I compiled the kernel myself. I
 even had parallell port scsi working to access my hp5200c scanner. This
 doesn't work either yet. When I examine messages.log I can see that both
 devices are recognized.
 Anyone any insights into this?
 
 Cu,
 
 Guy.
 
 
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RE: [expert] CDRW wrong major or minor error

2000-11-06 Thread Rich Jones

fred

 expert 11/06/00 20:02 

fred

 expert 11/06/00 19:53 

fred

 expert 11/06/00 19:40 

fred

 expert 11/06/00 18:53 

fred

 expert 11/06/00 17:17 

Here is what I eventually did to fix mine:

I compiled a custom kernel (4.0 test9) with the following options:
SCSI support: On
SCSI CD-ROM support: Module
SCSI Generic support: On

Include IDE/ATAPI CDROM support: Off
SCSI emulation support: Module

I also had to edit the etc/modules.conf file installed by Mandrake:
# alias block-major-11 scsi-hostadapter  (commented this out)
alias scsi_hostadapter ide-scsi (added this in)

VIOLA!  it works.  

Here is what I discovered:
with the block-major-11 alias in, mounting /dev/cdrom (scd0) loads the
ide-scsi module (nothing else), but I then get the "major number" error.

If I comment out the block-major-11 alias, I get the same error, but the
sr_mod module and the cdrom module are both loaded.

If I manually load the ide-scsi module, I can mount the drive successfulyy.
 


So, I need to play with the aliases in modules.conf some more, but I am
close.  

Hope this helps in your quest.

Thx... HH

On Mon, 06 Nov 2000 12:16:09 "Zelck, Guy" wrote:
 Hello Harry,
 
 I've got mine working with the std. kernel but also have a few problems
 with
 my 2nd cd drive.
 If I do 'cdrecord --scanbus' my 2nd drive isn't seen. Cdrecord is a
 convenient method to see which scsi devices are recognized.  
 
  I have tried several things to correct this.  I can mount a CD  from 
  /dev/hdc, so that works, but it doesn't seem to want to use 
  the /dev/scd0 
  device in the 2.4 kernel.  I have tried re-compiling the 
  kernel with SCSI 
  support as a module, and built in, and with ATAPI CDROM as a 
  module, built 
  in, and not at all (if it is not compiled in at all, I cannot use the 
  /dev/hdc, and the /dev/scd0 still gives the above error.
  
 Do you have sth. like "append hdc=ide-scsi" in you lilo.conf?
 
  The actual devices are listed as major "cdwriter" and minor 11.
 
 Cdwriter is the owner/group of the device file, not the major.
 Is your /dev/cdrom linked to /dev/scd0?
 I myself also wonder why they used this user/group for the device. What's
 the idea behind it?
 
 
 For my own problems:
 My 1st drive is a cdrw, the 2nd a cdrom drive. I can mount them both and
 use
 them for file browsing. But audio can't be played from my 2nd cdrom drive
 with e.g. kscd (well, it reads the tracks but when trying to play it says
 "ejected"). Neither does cdrecord see it when it scans the bus. With my
 previous MD6.0. I had it all working but I compiled the kernel myself. I
 even had parallell port scsi working to access my hp5200c scanner. This
 doesn't work either yet. When I examine messages.log I can see that both
 devices are recognized.
 Anyone any insights into this?
 
 Cu,
 
 Guy.
 
 
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RE: [expert] CDRW wrong major or minor error

2000-11-06 Thread Rich Jones

fred

 expert 11/06/00 21:12 

fred

 expert 11/06/00 20:02 

fred

 expert 11/06/00 19:53 

fred

 expert 11/06/00 19:40 

fred

 expert 11/06/00 18:53 

fred

 expert 11/06/00 17:17 

Here is what I eventually did to fix mine:

I compiled a custom kernel (4.0 test9) with the following options:
SCSI support: On
SCSI CD-ROM support: Module
SCSI Generic support: On

Include IDE/ATAPI CDROM support: Off
SCSI emulation support: Module

I also had to edit the etc/modules.conf file installed by Mandrake:
# alias block-major-11 scsi-hostadapter  (commented this out)
alias scsi_hostadapter ide-scsi (added this in)

VIOLA!  it works.  

Here is what I discovered:
with the block-major-11 alias in, mounting /dev/cdrom (scd0) loads the
ide-scsi module (nothing else), but I then get the "major number" error.

If I comment out the block-major-11 alias, I get the same error, but the
sr_mod module and the cdrom module are both loaded.

If I manually load the ide-scsi module, I can mount the drive successfulyy.
 


So, I need to play with the aliases in modules.conf some more, but I am
close.  

Hope this helps in your quest.

Thx... HH

On Mon, 06 Nov 2000 12:16:09 "Zelck, Guy" wrote:
 Hello Harry,
 
 I've got mine working with the std. kernel but also have a few problems
 with
 my 2nd cd drive.
 If I do 'cdrecord --scanbus' my 2nd drive isn't seen. Cdrecord is a
 convenient method to see which scsi devices are recognized.  
 
  I have tried several things to correct this.  I can mount a CD  from 
  /dev/hdc, so that works, but it doesn't seem to want to use 
  the /dev/scd0 
  device in the 2.4 kernel.  I have tried re-compiling the 
  kernel with SCSI 
  support as a module, and built in, and with ATAPI CDROM as a 
  module, built 
  in, and not at all (if it is not compiled in at all, I cannot use the 
  /dev/hdc, and the /dev/scd0 still gives the above error.
  
 Do you have sth. like "append hdc=ide-scsi" in you lilo.conf?
 
  The actual devices are listed as major "cdwriter" and minor 11.
 
 Cdwriter is the owner/group of the device file, not the major.
 Is your /dev/cdrom linked to /dev/scd0?
 I myself also wonder why they used this user/group for the device. What's
 the idea behind it?
 
 
 For my own problems:
 My 1st drive is a cdrw, the 2nd a cdrom drive. I can mount them both and
 use
 them for file browsing. But audio can't be played from my 2nd cdrom drive
 with e.g. kscd (well, it reads the tracks but when trying to play it says
 "ejected"). Neither does cdrecord see it when it scans the bus. With my
 previous MD6.0. I had it all working but I compiled the kernel myself. I
 even had parallell port scsi working to access my hp5200c scanner. This
 doesn't work either yet. When I examine messages.log I can see that both
 devices are recognized.
 Anyone any insights into this?
 
 Cu,
 
 Guy.
 
 
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Re: [expert] CDRW multisession?

2000-04-23 Thread Civileme

vern wrote:
 
 I got xcdroast working, it writes CDR's okay,
 but I need help making my CDRW's multisession.
 I made my master recorded it, but it "fixated" it
 instead of laying down the tracks for future use
 it sealed the CDRW from any future use.  Now
 can I erase the CDRW and try again??  Is there
 any way to format a CDRW for future use?? I've
 been to the xcdroast man page, README, and
 the author's website.  Can any of this be done
 without going to packet writing or UDF format??
 All my windoze CDRW's are in UDF and I would
 like to go to ISO 9660 for both OS's.
 Thanks for reading this!
 Vern
Well, if a CDRW isn't sealed the only thing in the whole world
that can read it is the CD-RW drive that wrote it.  You use a
Blanking instruction to clear it for use again.  Of course if it
is a CD-R, the multisession is a better approach than with CDRW.

And, yes, you can stay with iso9660.  linux does not treat a
CD-RW like a slow hard disk.

Civileme



Re: [expert] CDRW multisession?

2000-04-22 Thread Ralph

I think with gnome toaster you can rewrite cdr's give it a try. I ran it
under windowmaker.
- Original Message -
From: "vern" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2000 11:00 PM
Subject: [expert] CDRW multisession?


 I got xcdroast working, it writes CDR's okay,
 but I need help making my CDRW's multisession.
 I made my master recorded it, but it "fixated" it
 instead of laying down the tracks for future use
 it sealed the CDRW from any future use.  Now
 can I erase the CDRW and try again??  Is there
 any way to format a CDRW for future use?? I've
 been to the xcdroast man page, README, and
 the author's website.  Can any of this be done
 without going to packet writing or UDF format??
 All my windoze CDRW's are in UDF and I would
 like to go to ISO 9660 for both OS's.
 Thanks for reading this!
 Vern





Re: [expert] CDRW multisession?

2000-04-22 Thread Brian T. Schellenberger


You can erase the CDRW and try again;
it is possible to have a non-UDF multisession CD.

However, I don't use xcdroast so I don't know how to do either from
there.

vern wrote:
 
 I got xcdroast working, it writes CDR's okay,
 but I need help making my CDRW's multisession.
 I made my master recorded it, but it "fixated" it
 instead of laying down the tracks for future use
 it sealed the CDRW from any future use.  Now
 can I erase the CDRW and try again??  Is there
 any way to format a CDRW for future use?? I've
 been to the xcdroast man page, README, and
 the author's website.  Can any of this be done
 without going to packet writing or UDF format??
 All my windoze CDRW's are in UDF and I would
 like to go to ISO 9660 for both OS's.
 Thanks for reading this!
 Vern

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Re: [expert] CDrw and CD

2000-04-08 Thread Larry Sword

"=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Deim_Ágoston?=" wrote:

 Hi folks !

 Again, I have another problem. How could I use the CD-RW and the
 CD-ROM in the same machine ? Both are IDE driven. So, what's
 suspicious to me. If I want to burn CDs I have to recompile my
 kernel without the IDE-CD support and with the SCSI generic and
 SCSI-emulation support (among others). So, after this could I use
 my simple CD-ROM like a SCSI device without problems ?
 Thanks,
 Ago

 "If you love somebody set them free..."
 Sting is GPL fan :-))
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You DO NOT have to recompile the kernel to use CD-ROM or the CD-RW or
both. And yes you can indicate and drive both as ide-scsi. at least you
can in Mandrake-Linux  ver:7.0.

Larry







Re: [expert] CDrw and CD

2000-04-08 Thread Larry Sword

"=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Deim_Ágoston?=" wrote:

 Hi folks !

 Again, I have another problem. How could I use the CD-RW and the
 CD-ROM in the same machine ? Both are IDE driven. So, what's
 suspicious to me. If I want to burn CDs I have to recompile my
 kernel without the IDE-CD support and with the SCSI generic and
 SCSI-emulation support (among others). So, after this could I use
 my simple CD-ROM like a SCSI device without problems ?
 Thanks,
 Ago

 "If you love somebody set them free..."
 Sting is GPL fan :-))
 A hivatalos magyar KDE oldal : www.kde.hu

In the LILO append="hdd=ide-scsi hdc=ide-scsi'

In /etc/conf.modules:

First line , alais scsi_hostadapter ide-scsi
--- other items here-
Last line post-install supermount modprobe scsi_hostadapter






Re: [expert] CDrw and CD

2000-04-08 Thread Gary Bunker

 Again, I have another problem. How could I use the CD-RW and the
 CD-ROM in the same machine ? Both are IDE driven. So, what's
 suspicious to me. If I want to burn CDs I have to recompile my
 kernel without the IDE-CD support and with the SCSI generic and
 SCSI-emulation support (among others). So, after this could I use
 my simple CD-ROM like a SCSI device without problems ?

I've got my CD-ROM as hdc and my CD-RW is hdd.  So, my lilo includes
the line append="hdd=ide-scsi" and my modules.conf file includes the
line 'alias scsi_hostadapter ide-scsi'

My system works quite well with /dev/hdc aliased to /dev/cdrom and I
burn CDs quite easily via cdrecord and its various front-ends. Also, if
I ever do want to mount my CD-RW, I have an entry in my fstab that
reads as follows:
/dev/sr0/mnt/cdrw   iso9660  user,exec,dev,suid,rw,noauto 1 1

This is needed because the drive won't let me mount it as /dev/hdd
while it's being used as an ide-scsi device.

That's the long answer, as far as I was able to make my system work. 
The short answer is: you can have ide-scsi support as a module rather
than recompiling, and it will coexist just fine with a normal IDE CD
drive.  WHEW!
YMMV
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Re: [expert] CDrw and CD

2000-04-08 Thread Brian T. Schellenberger


If you make them both scsi, though, you need to make both /dev/cdrom 
entries point to the two /dev/scd devices, too.

On Sat, 08 Apr 2000, you wrote:
| "=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Deim_Ágoston?=" wrote:
| 
|  Hi folks !
| 
|  Again, I have another problem. How could I use the CD-RW and the
|  CD-ROM in the same machine ? Both are IDE driven. So, what's
|  suspicious to me. If I want to burn CDs I have to recompile my
|  kernel without the IDE-CD support and with the SCSI generic and
|  SCSI-emulation support (among others). So, after this could I use
|  my simple CD-ROM like a SCSI device without problems ?
|  Thanks,
|  Ago
| 
|  "If you love somebody set them free..."
|  Sting is GPL fan :-))
|  A hivatalos magyar KDE oldal : www.kde.hu
| 
| In the LILO append="hdd=ide-scsi hdc=ide-scsi'
| 
| In /etc/conf.modules:
| 
| First line , alais scsi_hostadapter ide-scsi
| --- other items here-
| Last line post-install supermount modprobe scsi_hostadapter
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Re: [expert] cdrw drive

1999-10-20 Thread Marco Ciampa

On mar, 19 ott 1999, John Aldrich wrote:
On Tue, 19 Oct 1999, you wrote:
 Did u have to use scsi emulation or did it just recognize it an u added a
 mount point. are you using roast for the writting. I have a sony cdrw ide
 drive an want to try it in linux to. thanks for info.
 
I think it will recognize it as a CDROM drive, but you HAVE
to enable SCSI emulation to burn a CD.
   John
Yes, it is! And I had to install  configure CDRDAO for burning audio cd in DAO
mode. For data cd cdrecord works fine.
 --
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c:\winnt secure_nt.exe
  Securing NT.  Insert Linux boot disk to continue..



Re: [expert] cdrw drive

1999-10-20 Thread linuxdevil

Marco Ciampa [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 On mar, 19 ott 1999, John Aldrich wrote:
 On Tue, 19 Oct 1999, you wrote:
  Did u have to use scsi emulation or did it just recognize it an u added a
  mount point. are you using roast for the writting. I have a sony cdrw ide
  drive an want to try it in linux to. thanks for info.
  
 I think it will recognize it as a CDROM drive, but you HAVE
 to enable SCSI emulation to burn a CD.
  John
 Yes, it is! And I had to install  configure CDRDAO for burning audio cd in DAO
 mode. For data cd cdrecord works fine.

Have you tried using cdrecord 1.8?  Version 1.6 doesn't do DAO, but
1.8 does.

Aaron



Re: [expert] cdrw drive

1999-10-19 Thread Marco Ciampa

On ven, 15 ott 1999, Wes Morriston wrote:
I'm going to but a cdrw drive for my linux Mandrake (6.1) box.  I want
to be sure to buy one that will be problem free when I install it.  Does
anyone have any experience with this?

WM
I use a Waitec 4x4x24 ide cd rw and it works like a damned!
40 cd written 0 cd destroied till now (1 month life)
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Re: [expert] cdrw drive

1999-10-19 Thread jack malone

Did u have to use scsi emulation or did it just recognize it an u added a
mount point. are you using roast for the writting. I have a sony cdrw ide
drive an want to try it in linux to. thanks for info.

jack 

I use a Waitec 4x4x24 ide cd rw and it works like a damned!
40 cd written 0 cd destroied till now (1 month life)
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c:\winnt secure_nt.exe
  Securing NT.  Insert Linux boot disk to continue..


Jack Malone
East Texas Lighthouse for the Blind
dba Horizon Industries 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
903-595-3444



Re: [expert] cdrw drive

1999-10-19 Thread John Aldrich

On Tue, 19 Oct 1999, you wrote:
 Did u have to use scsi emulation or did it just recognize it an u added a
 mount point. are you using roast for the writting. I have a sony cdrw ide
 drive an want to try it in linux to. thanks for info.
 
I think it will recognize it as a CDROM drive, but you HAVE
to enable SCSI emulation to burn a CD.
John



Re: [expert] cdrw drive

1999-10-19 Thread James Michael Keller

I just put in a plextor 8220Te ( 8x CD-r, 2x CD-RW, 20x CD-ROM ) external
SCSI ( I assume the internal works just as well ).

Using cd-record and my own scripts it's taken over for 3 other 2x burners
and a few 1x I was using for several years.  As it can burn more disks in
the same time then all of them combined :)

Buffer hasn't been below 56% and that was when I was also transfering files
in/out across nfs and samba while it burned a premade CD image file.


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- Original Message -
From: Marco Ciampa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 1999 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: [expert] cdrw drive


 On ven, 15 ott 1999, Wes Morriston wrote:
 I'm going to but a cdrw drive for my linux Mandrake (6.1) box.  I want
 to be sure to buy one that will be problem free when I install it.  Does
 anyone have any experience with this?
 
 WM
 I use a Waitec 4x4x24 ide cd rw and it works like a damned!
 40 cd written 0 cd destroied till now (1 month life)
 --
 Marco Ciampa

 c:\winnt secure_nt.exe
   Securing NT.  Insert Linux boot disk to continue..




Re: [expert] cdrw drive

1999-10-17 Thread John Aldrich

On Fri, 15 Oct 1999, you wrote:
 well. I got a cdrw... an AOpen cdrw-622 and I haven't been able to set it
 up  to run in linux, every time I try to connect to this site that is supposed
 to  have the information it's down or un-reachable... ;-(
 
I *think* the trick is to put "append='ide-scsi'" in your lilo.conf
and re-run /sbin/lilo.
 also I lost all the information on how to
 setup my zip drive, last time I  had
 to reformat the whole hdd.
 
I'd say go to the mailing list archives for this list --
http://mail-archive.com/expert@linux-mandrake.com/ 
Also, check out
http://mail-archive.com/newbie@linux-mandrake.com/

You'll likely find the answer in the "newbie" archive as that's more
of a "newbie" question. :-)

 I went shoping today, I got a 32mg Video card, I hope linux can be
  able to 'detect'... It's a VC Diamond stealth S3 Savage-4 32M

According to the info at www.xfree86.org, it's supported under
XF86-SVGA. Check it out: http://www.xfree86.org/3.3.5/S3V3.html#7

  being there, at the distributors place I pick up a hdd, a maxtor
 hdmx17gb (17 Gigs) EIDE and a FD-LS120 Panasonic 1.44 - 120M floppy.
 
 I remember seeing some talk in the list not to long ago.
 
 Anything I should be aware of about these items?
 
 any information is most welcome!
 
Hmmthe hard drive (as long as your system can see it) shouldn't
be a problem. I'd suggest, if you're planning on making that your
boot drive, that you put a /boot directory at the head of the drive.
Other than that, nothing much to do... Linux should see it just fine!
:-)
LS-120 is an IDE device, so you'll have to treat it much the same way
you do an IDE cdrom. Just define it as a /dev/hdx drive (iirc, no
partition #) and you should be fine! :-)
John



Re: [expert] cdrw drive

1999-10-15 Thread DAvid Rodgers

most atapi drives will work but require a quick little addition to lilo
. append="ide-scsi" or something like that . otherwise for total
ease just buy a scsi cdrw just about any will work with cdrecord and
xcdroast now days

Daver



Re: [expert] cdrw drive

1999-10-15 Thread Ralph | byte-runner |

i use a memorex and an hp no probs with either.
Ralph
- Original Message - 
From: "Wes Morriston" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, October 15, 1999 1:35 PM
Subject: [expert] cdrw drive


 I'm going to but a cdrw drive for my linux Mandrake (6.1) box.  I want
 to be sure to buy one that will be problem free when I install it.  Does
 anyone have any experience with this?
 
 WM
 



Re: [expert] cdrw drive

1999-10-15 Thread Sergio Korlowsky

Wes Morriston wrote:

 I'm going to but a cdrw drive for my linux Mandrake (6.1) box.  I want
 to be sure to buy one that will be problem free when I install it.  Does
 anyone have any experience with this?

 WM

well. I got a cdrw... an AOpen cdrw-622 and I haven't been able to set it
up
to run in linux, every time I try to connect to this site that is supposed
to
have the information it's down or un-reachable... ;-(

also I lost all the information on how to setup my zip drive, last time I
had
to reformat the whole hdd.

so... two items I can't use in linux... too bad!

I went shoping today, I got a 32mg Video card, I hope linux can be

able to 'detect'... It's a VC Diamond stealth S3 Savage-4 32M

being there, at the distributors place I pick up a hdd, a maxtor hdmx17gb

(17 Gigs) EIDE and a FD-LS120 Panasonic 1.44 - 120M floppy.

I remember seeing some talk in the list not to long ago.

Anything I should be aware of about these items?

any information is most welcome!

TIA.

Sergio Korlowsky

PD. I got this new drive to play around a little bit

with 'Panoramix' and 'Cooker ;-)

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