I'd love to see this on YouTube. There is so much that is unreal that goes on
in the classroom: seems to me those kids got educated a little right inside
their souls. When you [Curtis] discuss everything other than the blues, I feel
belief, faith, intelligence, conviction. When you write about
Interesting that the preview version has been bleeped
and blurred. The torrent version wasn't...Moreena looks
pretty good nekkid. :-)
The show itself is by one of the producers of 24 and
for my money shares too much of that series mindset,
that breaking the law in the pursuit of terrorists
is no
Don't be ridiculous. Pat Boone has been senile since his 20s.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@... wrote:
He insists Obama was born in Kenya.
http://news.yahoo.com/singer-pat-boone-insists-obama-born-kenya-141751702.htm
By we John means, speaking for others he imagines are on
this forum, those of us who are still under the delusion
that John Hagelin is capable of 1) saying anything new, 2)
that anything he says matters, and 3) care about anything
he might say. Either that or John is finally admitting to
having
By we John means, speaking for others he imagines are on
this forum, those of us who are still under the delusion
that 1) John Hagelin is capable of saying anything new,
2) that anything he says matters, and 3) that care about
anything he might say. Either that or John is finally
admitting to
As part of this ongoing exercise in reviewing new TV shows
appearing for the Fall season, today I watched Unforgettable.
It hasn't received the best reviews, but I liked it because
1) it stars a hot redhead named Poppy Montgomery and I've
always had a weakness for redheads, and 2) I am fascinated
No, this isn't a post about those on this forum for whom
this word seems to be a description of the thing that most
motivates them in life. :-) It's another of my expiation
posts, trying to get the taste of yet another new TV
series that I had to watch out of my eyes.
blog updates from
Buddha at the Gas Pump
http://gallery.mailchimp.com/e709a491029b04e745834d34d/images/star.gif
published 09/22/2011
087. Krishna Gauci
http://batgap.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=62b7e50ba8598f35e2edf91d5id=40222590a0e=16e07f16fe
Sep 21, 2011 07:35 am | Rick
turquoiseb:
No, this isn't a post about those on this forum...
You seem very concerned about those on this forum.
Some people just feel better when they have someone
to talk to, I guess, but there's always TV. LoL!
And millionaires are whining today about Obama's
plan to tax the rich more.
And, anyone that can add is laughing at Obama's plan
to 'tax the rich'!
In terms of averages, the current tax system already
satisfies the Buffett Rule. Americans on average pay
16% of their
And, anyone that can add is laughing at Obama's plan
to 'tax the rich'!
Bhairitu:
People with gross amounts of money aren't very spiritual.
LoL! So, how many of your elected leaders are millionaires?
So, that's your plan - to reduce the deficit and create
jobs. That's all you've got?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote:
Supremes took *four hours* to decide to reject the
request for a stay. Why didn't that in and of itself
suggest to them that beyond a reasonable doubt
didn't apply in this case?
The death penalty is barbaric. There has
Bhairitu:
They are materialists far removed from the mindset
of most of the folks on FFL except for maybe those
few tea baggers...
Stop the soliciting - I already told you I'm not gay.
who believe they're going to win the lottery next
week or that the Koch brothers will rain golden
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote:
Supremes took *four hours* to decide to reject the
request for a stay. Why didn't that in and of itself
suggest to them that beyond a reasonable doubt
didn't apply in this case?
The death penalty is barbaric. There was so
I agree with you, for the most part.
Bhairitu:
Yes, there are lower and middle class...
So, you're thinking it's a 'class' war, or
is it a matter of 'caste'? If so, what class
or caste would you consider yourself to be
in?
You seem to believe that class is based on
a person's birth
Denise Evans:
My father's wife last year was all up in arms last
April about the double taxation issue...
Buffett's blathering is a lot of pernicious nonsense.
What's needed is tax reform - everyone should pay a
flat tax, if any. I'm opposed to all forms of income
tax - it's my money.
Troll, please name one person - just one, who is primarily motivated by revenge
on FFL. What a stupid and infantile assertion to make.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:
No, this isn't a post about those on this forum for whom
this word seems to be a
vajradhatu:
I wonder if this is considered black magic?
You mean, compared to the Tibetan 'Black Hat' ceremony
performed to prevent the 'dakinis' from taking the black
hat back? Shouldn't the dakinis be able to have their
own black hat back, fer chrissakes? Sometimes you don't
even make
whynotnow7:
...please name one person - just one, who is
primarily motivated by revenge on FFL.
Barry Wright?
What a stupid and infantile assertion to make.
No, this isn't a post about those on this forum
for whom this word seems to be a description of
the thing that most
Yeah, that's who I thought of too. The guy that supposedly likes to laugh at
himself. Troll Exemplar.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardwillytexwilliams willytex@...
wrote:
whynotnow7:
...please name one person - just one, who is
primarily motivated by revenge on FFL.
MUCH better than the previous teaser trailer. Gives one hope
that this movie may violate the the remake is always worse
rule.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrFgnizJ7qY
The Marilu Henner siddhi mentioned in a previous post has me thinking
about something from the Rama days. We'd go out into the desert with him
and experience altered states of attention. Really high shit, stuff that
I'd love to tell you about, if only I could remember it clearly enough
to describe
On another forum, long-term spiritual seekers are debating the efficacy
of the olde spiritual dictum Be Here Now. I found it refreshing,
because being in the Now is rarely brought into question. It's just
accepted by most on a spiritual path as a Good Thing, something we
should all aspire to.
So
COP-KILLER IS MEDIA'S LATEST BABY SEAL
http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2011-09-21.html
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
Supremes took *four hours* to decide to reject the
request
Oh man, you're beginning to sound like the people who believe that the
rich are rich because they are smarter than us. It reminds me of the
TM'ers watching videos of academics with bright minds believing just
because they could present complex intellectual concepts were
enlightened.
Putting aside the flat tax discussion for now, I agree that changes to the
tax structure won't unilaterally solve the problem.
This article, A hard decade or a bad century makes some good points.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/opinion/2016278198_friedman22.html
Page is not available. Sounds like a massive conspiracy theory to me.
From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 1:05 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pat Boone Is Becoming Senile
Don't be
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans dmevans365@... wrote:
Page is not available. Â Sounds like a massive conspiracy
theory to me.
The famous 404 - Page not found error has actually
been referred to in the nerd community as technological
senility, because an
Pregnancy simulator:
http://youtu.be/uqYaOmeXy98
No conspiracy at all. For some odd reason, John's links sometimes lack an 'l'
at the end:
http://news.yahoo.com/singer-pat-boone-insists-obama-born-kenya-141751702.html
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans dmevans365@... wrote:
Page is not available. Â Sounds like a massive
On 09/22/2011 08:01 AM, richardwillytexwilliams wrote:
Denise Evans:
My father's wife last year was all up in arms last
April about the double taxation issue...
Buffett's blathering is a lot of pernicious nonsense.
Like your blathering?
What's needed is tax reform - everyone should pay a
I came across this prayer which the author says before their program. Kind of
puts things in a different perspective for me.
Dear God
Please accept my practice of the TM and TM-Sidhis program, as an expression of
my intention and willingness to come before you just as I am, without thoughts,
On 09/21/2011 11:21 PM, turquoiseb wrote:
Interesting that the preview version has been bleeped
and blurred. The torrent version wasn't...Moreena looks
pretty good nekkid. :-)
Figured you'd like that. What resolution was the torrent? ;-)
But if you didn't like Jim Jarmusch films you probably
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, johnt johnlasher20002000@... wrote:
I came across this prayer which the author says before their
program. Kind of puts things in a different perspective for me.
Dear God
Please accept my practice of the TM and TM-Sidhis program,
as an expression
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote:
On 09/21/2011 11:21 PM, turquoiseb wrote:
Interesting that the preview version has been bleeped
and blurred. The torrent version wasn't...Moreena looks
pretty good nekkid. :-)
Figured you'd like that. What resolution was
An Open Letter to Bevan Morris
Dear Bevan,
I knew you on my Six Month Course in Arosa in 1976. Then again we met when you
gave a public lecture in Chicago in 1982 (I remember your mother crying in
witnessing the intense debate between us at the end of your lecture). As I
recall, at Arosa,
On 09/22/2011 12:11 PM, turquoiseb wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@... wrote:
On 09/21/2011 11:21 PM, turquoiseb wrote:
Interesting that the preview version has been bleeped
and blurred. The torrent version wasn't...Moreena looks
pretty good nekkid. :-)
Figured
Barry,
You should read up on the latest developments in physics and cosmology. You
will find that the science of cosmology is becoming like metaphysics.
IMO, MMY's idea about the unified field is right on track with the scientific
findings and theories related to dark energy, quantum
There's some valuable information in this book, particularly this part
on the Vedic Pranava -
The Rigveda speaks of the primal cosmic word called akshara, meaning
what is imperishable. The mantra o.m does not appear with any
significance in the Rigveda, though it is well known in the Yajurveda
I agree. Much of the resentment of the rich, imo, is caused by the 24/7 message
we receive through the media that rich means successful and fun and free, and
yet in reality, it doesn't mean any of those things. I appreciate having enough
food, clothing, shelter and toys for my well being. I
Very nice! Almost nothing more powerful than a prayer. :-)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, johnt johnlasher20002000@... wrote:
I came across this prayer which the author says before their program. Kind of
puts things in a different perspective for me.
Dear God
Please accept my
This sounds like the contemplative prayer technique used
in Centering Prayer. This technique works but it is prayer
based - i.e. offering up the field of experience to God.
Hard core Catholic fideists (This Rock magazine) call
Centering Prayer a TM sibling and straightforward Hinduism.
They
http://enlightenmentaint.com/2011/09/22/sex-and-the-single-guru/#more-481
Doesn't sound like anything different than TM with a prayer before it.
Centering prayer though outwardly similar and probably with aspects from TM is
an entirely different approach.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@... wrote:
This sounds like the contemplative prayer
Buffett's blathering is a lot of pernicious nonsense.
Bhairitu:
Like your blathering?
Are you sure you understand what a payroll tax is? In my
opinion, the Federal income tax is a form of theft - it's
my money, my property.
You probably pay zero in federal income tax. According to
the
Duke Nukem's recommendations are much clearer
and so easy to accomplish with a few keys and buttons.
Nuk'em and the sands of arabi until they are like glass.
Harvest the oil and turn the glass sands into roller rinks.
Rent roller skates to the Hajj pilgrims to enable them to
skate around the
emptybill:
Brahmarshi Daivarata revealed the great mantra ii.m o.m
shri.h, which is to be followed by the Gayatri Mantra...
David Frawley puts Indo-European speaking people i.e.
'Sanskrit' speakers in India as early as 6,000 B.C.E.
Could Frawly be right, that pre-historical farmers in
This prayer demonstrates the utter sincerity of the person who composed it. As
well it demonstrates the extreme beauty and power of the experiential context
of TM and the TM-Sidhis program. And there is the real sense of a prayer being
addressed to a Personal God, not just the Absolute (or, as
Who needs Brahmarshi Daivaratji when we have you?
You know so much better, it's just inspiring.
Although he video-recorded all 10,000+ riks, he probably
didn't see far enough into the future to realize that you
would expose him as a mere pantomime of antiquated
vedic lore.
Little did he know
An Open Letter to Bevan Morris
Dear Bevan,
I knew you on my Six Month Course in Arosa in 1976. Then again we met when you
gave a public lecture in Chicago in 1982 (I remember your mother crying in
witnessing the intense debate between us at the end of your lecture). As I
recall, at Arosa,
Re: Beautiful Prayer
This prayer demonstrates the utter sincerity of the person who composed it. As
well it demonstrates the extreme beauty and power of the experiential context of
TM and the TM-Sidhis program. And there is the real sense of a prayer being
addressed to a Personal God, not just
right, supernatural Catholocism is dead. Padre Pio may be the last Christian
Saint, in the Traditional sense. He died in 1968.
http://www.startlingart.com/Viewer.asp?ImageSource=historyFileName=Radio_City_Poster_1980
Long live the Luminous Jellyfish!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
Bevan:
http://www.startlingart.com/Viewer.asp?ImageSource=fine_artFileName=BubbleBoy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@... wrote:
An Open Letter to Bevan Morris
Dear Bevan,
I knew you on my Six Month Course in Arosa in 1976. Then again we met when
you gave a
Like it. But Padre Pio, I have looked at his life closely. He is a problematic
character for me. If you try to get mystical experiences after the Allied
Bombing of Mt Cassino, those experiences will be ambiguous at best. Padre Pio,
I'm afraid, contrary to the judgment of the Church (the post
thx, once I was scheduled to have a potentially serious run-in with some
administrators at work. I prayed intently to Padre Pio, and he appeared to me
in a dream the preceding night, assuring me that all would come out in my
favor; also giving a demonstration of a supernatural scent. (a
n Sep 22, 2011, at 5:43 PM, maskedzebra wrote:
An Open Letter to Bevan Morris
An open request to maskedzebra…
how many more times are you planning on
sending this? My count is 3 already.
Want to try for an even dozen?
Sal
To subscribe, send a
(AP) GENEVA A fundamental pillar of physics that nothing can go faster
than the speed of light appears to be smashed by an oddball subatomic
particle that has apparently made a giant end run around Albert Einstein's
theories.
Scientists at the world's largest physics lab said Thursday
Robin
You theological knowledge appears quite restricted, as do your
evaluations.
Haven't you ever read St. Dionysius Areopagite?
What about the Skemmata of Evagius? St. Maximus the Confessor? St.
Gregory Palamas? St. Symeon the New Theologian?
Only thing left to you is hope?
Maybe you'd
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@...
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote:
PS Do you know Snookie??
That girl on Jersey Shore? Nope. Seaside Heights and the whole Guido thing
is 10 miles south and worlds
An Open Letter to Bevan Morris
Dear Bevan,
I knew you on my Six Month Course in Arosa in 1976. Then again we met when you
gave a public lecture in Chicago in 1982 (I remember your mother crying in
witnessing the intense debate between us at the end of your lecture). As I
recall, at Arosa,
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35 Yifu
Is this what all the Enlightenment talk is about: inside = outside?
http://billyshirefinearts.com/09Ulrich/insideandoutside.html
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@...
wrote:
My grandfather had a place on the beach at Mantoloking, I spent many
great summers there in the 60's. His best friend had a place on the
beach next door. Did your family know the Adams or the Fabers?
I
Whether or not Troy Davis is guilty is irrelevant
to the question of whether executing a human being
is a legitimate form of punishment.
The justification for the death penalty rests on
a # assumptions which include 1) society has the moral right to
kill human
by Mark Bodnar
http://www.laluzdejesus.com/shows/currentshow/Bodnar/the_wurst.jpg
Implicit in the prayer is the desire to connect with someone other it seems
to be moving beyond the experience of the unconditioned individual self
(which of course since there is no content is not really an experience but a
natural state of rest'or witness)to call upon the ultimate reality,
this letter is s self serving. Get over it and move on with your life.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@... wrote:
n Sep 22, 2011, at 5:43 PM, maskedzebra wrote:
An Open Letter to Bevan Morris
An open request to maskedzebra
how many more times are you
On Sep 22, 2011, at 7:32 PM, shanti2218411 wrote:
Whether or not Troy Davis is guilty is irrelevant
to the question of whether executing a human being
is a legitimate form of punishment.
The justification for the death penalty rests on
a # assumptions which include 1) society
On Sep 22, 2011, at 7:49 PM, m2smart4u2000 wrote:
this letter is s self serving. Get over it and move on with your life.
You actually got through it, m2?? My hat's
off to you. :) I could barely scan the first
few paragraphs. Welcome back, BTW.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
I definitely don't believe rich are rich simply because they're smarter, though
it is the case sometimes. Regarding Donald Trump, I doubt he's spiritual
either, but the reality is that you and I have no clue how far along we are in
this cycle of birth and death. It reminds me of the end of
http://www.carrieannbaade.com/gallery.html
How a society treats ALL of its citizens even the worst among us says more
about how enlightened that society is than anything else.
As long as a society kills people in cold blood than its soul is still being
dominated by its basest instincts.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal
http://www.laluzdejesus.com/shows/2011/LaLuz_XXV_1/Baade.htm
the incredible longwindedness of this written fart only points to the size of
your delusion; that anyone like Bevan could be bothered to read anything you
write given you having completely discredited yourself so many decades ago and
continued up to the present, as well your imagined leadership
On 09/22/2011 07:08 AM, richardwillytexwilliams wrote:
I'd be willing to wager that all you know about the
Koch brothers could be summed up in one short little
sentence, based on your reading one single magazine
article. Prove me wrong.
For one thing the Koch bastards wanted to pollute our
It's eye for an eye and tooth for a tooth. I've often asked myself if it were
my child, how would I respond. I think that life sentences are appropriate for
certain types of crimes of the most heinous, as life in prison is a punishment
I think greater than death.
by Larkin.
additional bonus: my comment on Bevan. a Nutcase.
http://www.startlingart.com/Viewer.asp?ImageSource=fine_artFileName=NoStringsAttached-Sm72res
Suggest getting a strong edit to clarify your main points if you intend to send
this. Is it an audience you are seeking with him? This will come across as a
letter from one disillusioned and there would be no need for someone in his
position to respond. As they say, sounds like a personal
The only real limit is the pea brained mind of the human species. Maybe
dolphins already new this for all we know. Undoubtedly there is a lot
more evolution in store for the human species. That is if it survives. :-D
On 09/22/2011 04:19 PM, sgrayatlarge wrote:
(AP) GENEVA — A fundamental
Al Gore predicts man made global warming...oops!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge no_reply@... wrote:
(AP) GENEVA A fundamental pillar of physics that nothing can go faster
than the speed of light appears to be smashed by an oddball subatomic
particle that has
Shukra and Denise,
An Open Letter is by definition written for a wider
audience than the person to whom it's addressed; often
there's zero expectation that the addressee will ever
read it. In many if not most cases, it's just an
expression of opinion that takes the form of a letter
for stylistic
That first paragraph: most interesting indeed. I'll have to incorporate this
event into my attitude towards PP.
If I meet the Holy Trinity (wherever he has gone) I will warn him you are a
Buddhist, and to watch out for the righteous spittle.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu
Excellent point, Sal. I have a kind of hysterical epilepsy which causes me to
repeatfor no reasoneach act three times. I have been under medication for
this problem since posting on FFL: this morning I forgot my regular dose. So
show some compassion.
Just kidding: I am conducting a
Looks like I've got some reading to do, emptybill. Thanks for the sources.
Why can't everyone just agree with me: My theory is so damn reasonable and
commonsensical. No?
No, I knew I was in for it in posting that response to what, all things
considered, *is* a beautiful prayer. (If I had seen
I think I understand what you are saying here. Thanks for the clarification.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, johnt johnlasher20002000@... wrote:
Implicit in the prayer is the desire to connect with someone other it seems
to be moving beyond the experience of the unconditioned individual
On Sep 22, 2011, at 9:41 PM, authfriend wrote:
(Tangentially, can somebody volunteer to help Sal with
her struggles to learn to count beyond one? Robin
posted his letter twice, probably by accident, but Sal
somehow managed to count three instances and used her
miscount to demonize Robin.)
Something like this could hurt a guy. But I'm just going to suck it up. Thanks
for the counsel. I thought Sal had really got through to me; but this took it
further and deeper, and for this I am grateful to you, m2smart4u2000yeah, I
think you are.
If you had taken off one of two of the o's I
On Sep 22, 2011, at 9:51 PM, maskedzebra wrote:
Excellent point, Sal. I have a kind of hysterical epilepsy which causes me to
repeat—for no reason—each act three times. I have been under medication for
this problem since posting on FFL: this morning I forgot my regular dose. So
show some
After this, Sal, I may delete it altogether. Think I should? This is getting
embarrassing.
If only I could myself as others see me.
Remember though: I am still coming down from Unity Consciousness.
Ah, for those good old days when we were friends (in a manner of speaking).
Sad, really.
---
Thx,...I've already met Jesus. He appeared to me in His Radiant Form in the
dream state on July 27-th, 1996; and I mean REALLY radiant...totally
mind-blowing and astounding, as experiences go.(sorry...can't reveal the
messages at this time). I've posted this several timesas well as the
On Sep 22, 2011, at 10:04 PM, Sal Sunshine wrote:
On Sep 22, 2011, at 9:41 PM, authfriend wrote:
(Tangentially, can somebody volunteer to help Sal with
her struggles to learn to count beyond one? Robin
posted his letter twice, probably by accident, but Sal
somehow managed to count three
Can't even be ironic here. I think you do a great injustice to the motive of my
letter to Bevan, and, as well, my allusion to his relationship with his mother.
TM and Maharishi are serious things: life and death (for me and for Bevan). You
miss out on what's going on in that letter, shura69but
I appreciate the perspective of an outsider, Denise. Thanks.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans dmevans365@... wrote:
Suggest getting a strong edit to clarify your main points if you intend to
send this. Â Is it an audience you are seeking with him? Â This will come
across
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@...
wrote:
It's just sad they had to kill him.
Why? Sounds like he was guilty. Wouldn't admit his guilt? No remorse?
What's the big deal?
Just to clear this thrice posting matter up. When I read my post the first
time, I noticed several errors. I asked Rick if I could post an edited version
(which I enclosed). He told me, he would delete the one I posted and I could
post the new version on my own. I immediately posted a second
I appreciate your multi-religious approach to the Divine, Yifu. You will,
though, at some point let me know when you are pulling my leg (taking advantage
of my religious meme), and when you are delivering up a true revelation. One of
the great things about FFL is the irony quotient. It's high.
Dear Judy,
If I may be permitted to be non-ironic for a moment, let me just tell you the
obvious: in that first paragraph you have perfectly described the context
within which I wrote that letter to Bevan, and I appreciate your taking the
time to make clear what I was doing here.
Robin
---
The Roman Catholic lineage is not dead because it produced Thomas
Merton.
However, much of it remain catatonic ... a mere semblance of its former
life.
If you broaden your field you'll find amazing riches beyond mere
thinking.
One excellent place to start is The Mystical Theology of the Eastern
Recommendation, Sal: Watch Letterman. Never steps entirely outside of his irony
mode. If you get all his jokes, then you confute me. I always imagine myself a
guest on Lettermanand him knowing all about me. I use this criterion of
potential mockery of myself as the standard before I go into
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