Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: the deer this morning

2014-05-16 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Yes. Like conscious jewels in his face. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Yep, I love the critters, too, and miss my feral black cat, from the Bay Area, who I named, 'Sylvester' - I've never tried to pet, or feed him, but he has

Re: [FairfieldLife] A nostalgia moment

2014-05-16 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Oh, I see, Barry - You don't care for what I said, and don't care for me, either, but, just like Curtis, have very little spiritual experience; no full time witnessing, no fullness of silence in activity, no establishment in Being. Yet you speak as if you do, as if you are capable of evaluating

Re: [FairfieldLife] A nostalgia moment

2014-05-16 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Thanks for all the Biff trivia. As should be obvious, I was just riffing on the fact that the character of Biff not only looks like Jim Flanegin, he acts like him, too.  :-) From: "Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: "FairfieldLife@yaho

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: the deer this morning

2014-05-16 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Yep, I love the critters, too, and miss my feral black cat, from the Bay Area, who I named, 'Sylvester' - I've never tried to pet, or feed him, but he has taken refuge in the gazebo on many cold nights, and we blink back and forth a lot. Syl

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: commenting on enlightenment, without a clue

2014-05-16 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Curtis, can you say in a nutshell what about consciousness you think Maharishi got wrong? C:

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: the deer this morning

2014-05-16 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Yep, I love the critters, too, and miss my feral black cat, from the Bay Area, who I named, 'Sylvester' - I've never tried to pet, or feed him, but he has taken refuge in the gazebo on many cold nights, and we blink back and forth a lot. https://app.box.com/s/h9gs1dtoseplixrytx22 https://app

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: the deer this morning

2014-05-16 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : On 05/16/2014 07:24 PM, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : I mentioned them earlier:

[FairfieldLife] Life on Mars

2014-05-16 Thread jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Maybe inside the rocks. Will any of the enlightened members here on FFL comment on this issue? In the meantime, here's the current article discussing this possibility. http://www.examiner.com/article/1976-life-on-mars-controversy-resurrected-new-scientific-report http://www.examiner.co

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: commenting on enlightenment, without a clue

2014-05-16 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Curtis, can you say in a nutshell what about consciousness you think Maharishi got wrong? C:

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: commenting on enlightenment, without a clue

2014-05-16 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 5/16/2014 10:32 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: As you know, minet.org is Mike Doughney's Web site. > As you know, Knapp was the founder of TM-Free Blog. http://tinyurl.com/pn23gxt --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is activ

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: commenting on enlightenment, without a clue

2014-05-16 Thread authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
As you know, minet.org is Mike Doughney's Web site. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : On 5/16/2014 9:55 PM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: As you know, Knapp hasn't been associated with TM-Free for several years. Mike Doughney runs it now. > Appare

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: commenting on enlightenment, without a clue

2014-05-16 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
wtf? ...more distracted nonsense from you... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Curtis, if you were open to a normal explanation, and had already heard a lecture or two of Maharishi's, he always spoke in terms of the highest, first - s

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: commenting on enlightenment, without a clue

2014-05-16 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
I am *not* kidding you - I was laughing so hard after reading this, my stomach hurt - especially the bits about outgrowing witnessing, it being for children and all, and witnessing is for losers!! Such boldness and imperiousness - you didn't outgrow it, dude -- IT FADED, it simply...faded, j

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: commenting on enlightenment, without a clue

2014-05-16 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 5/16/2014 9:55 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: As you know, Knapp hasn't been associated with TM-Free for several years. Mike Doughney runs it now. > Apparently, Knapp is still active as a promoter of the TM-Free Blog. http://minet.org/ You already did this, over o

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: commenting on enlightenment, without a clue

2014-05-16 Thread curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Curtis, if you were open to a normal explanation, and had already heard a lecture or two of Maharishi's, he always spoke in terms of the highest, first - so it sounds like a reasonable explanation to me - the furthest extent, of a currently unstab

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: commenting on enlightenment, without a clue

2014-05-16 Thread curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Yes, you are a complete bullshitter, Curtis. I ask you a simple question, four times, and you cannot give me a simple, or coherent, answer. And that would be simply, NO, I do not witness activity, 24x7. C: WItnessing is for children, are you a ch

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: commenting on enlightenment, without a clue

2014-05-16 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Curtis, if you were open to a normal explanation, and had already heard a lecture or two of Maharishi's, he always spoke in terms of the highest, first - so it sounds like a reasonable explanation to me - the furthest extent, of a currently unstable state of consciousness. Of course, if you,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: commenting on enlightenment, without a clue

2014-05-16 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 5/16/2014 9:49 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Actually, according to the dictionary, "meditation" can mean several different things depending on the context. You can use the term in an everyday sense to mean "to think things over," but it doesn't "simply" mean

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: the deer this morning

2014-05-16 Thread Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
On 05/16/2014 07:24 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I mentioned them earlier: a closer look https://app.box.com/s/0toaopzloex24swoxn8r deer eating clover https://app.box.com/s/phi5lwcj1eh54ibtjfxn listening https://app

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: commenting on enlightenment, without a clue

2014-05-16 Thread authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
As you know, Knapp hasn't been associated with TM-Free for several years. Mike Doughney runs it now. You already did this, over on TM-Free, for John Knapp.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: commenting on enlightenment, without a clue

2014-05-16 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 5/16/2014 5:35 PM, curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: > I do not believe that proof by analogy is useful especially in non > sensory realms. > "I generally recommend a method called vipassana in which one cultivates a form of attention widely known as “mindfulness.” There is no

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: commenting on enlightenment, without a clue

2014-05-16 Thread curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : On 5/16/2014 2:58 PM, curtisdeltablues@... mailto:curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: > R: But, I would have thought you would have come to question MMY's human > consciousness model about midway in your first Philosophy 101 course. > So,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: commenting on enlightenment, without a clue

2014-05-16 Thread authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Actually, according to the dictionary, "meditation" can mean several different things depending on the context. You can use the term in an everyday sense to mean "to think things over," but it doesn't "simply" mean that, and that isn't what it means when we use it on FFL or in the context of a s

[FairfieldLife] Re: the deer this morning

2014-05-16 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Yes, these were quite tame, too, and about twice the size of those I have seen in the coastal range near SF. I am sad to hear about the culling, though I have heard it prevents getting a deer through the windshield, at 50 mph, which is often fatal for both the deer, and the driver. ---In Fair

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: commenting on enlightenment, without a clue

2014-05-16 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 5/16/2014 6:04 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: > How do you feel it is a trick of the mind? > "From deep personal experience, I can tell you that it is possible to intellectually understand that "it's all maya" while still remaining in the grip of it." - L.B.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: commenting on enlightenment, without a clue

2014-05-16 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 5/16/2014 6:21 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: > Man, I wish someone would write a clear and comprehensive history of > the Movement! Even in answering questions for me I see things I had > still never heard of. > You already did this, over on TM-Free, for Joh

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: commenting on enlightenment, without a clue

2014-05-16 Thread curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Curtis, can you say in a nutshell what about consciousness you think Maharishi got wrong? C: Thanks for asking Share. You will get more than a nu

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: commenting on enlightenment, without a clue

2014-05-16 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 5/16/2014 7:12 PM, curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: > Now that is very very interesting to me - he really said that, that > the CC, GC, UC stuff was just a model, as in just a way of talking > about awareness, not the definitive definition of human enlightenment??? > "Maybe y

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: commenting on enlightenment, without a clue

2014-05-16 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 5/16/2014 7:48 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Good for Sam Harris. Anyone without a solid understanding of this elementary truth is not going to get anywhere studying the nature of consciousness. According to Sam Harris, to say that consciousness may only seem to exist is

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: commenting on enlightenment, without a clue

2014-05-16 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Yes, you are a complete bullshitter, Curtis. I ask you a simple question, four times, and you cannot give me a simple, or coherent, answer. And that would be simply, NO, I do not witness activity, 24x7. Instead I hear about your past. I don't care about your past, or as Barry calls it, Cafe

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: commenting on enlightenment, without a clue

2014-05-16 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 5/16/2014 9:18 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: If you want, you could elaborate on it. When I first became familiar with TM and started SCI this "Knowledge is Structured in Consciousness" statement made a lot of sense. > Apparently the really hard question is the definitio

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: commenting on enlightenment, without a clue

2014-05-16 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 5/16/2014 2:42 PM, curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: R: I mean, how difficult is it to just pause once or twice a day and think things over? Go figure. C: This is your torettes loop which defies all logic or connection to Maharishi's teaching. > It's kind of difficult to di

[FairfieldLife] Re: the deer this morning

2014-05-16 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I mentioned them earlier: a closer look https://app.box.com/s/0toaopzloex24swoxn8r https://app.box.com/s/0toaopzloex24swoxn8r deer eating clover https://app.box.com/s/phi5lwcj1eh54ibtjfxn https://app.box.com/s/phi5lwcj1eh54ibtjfxn

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: commenting on enlightenment, without a clue

2014-05-16 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Curtis, can you say in a nutshell what about consciousness you think Maharishi got wrong? C: Thanks for asking Share. You will get more than a nutshell because this is a rich topic. The first fund

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: commenting on enlightenment, without a clue

2014-05-16 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 5/16/2014 2:58 PM, curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: > R: But, I would have thought you would have come to question MMY's human > consciousness model about midway in your first Philosophy 101 course. > So, why did it take you so many years to put it all together? > > C: You would

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: commenting on enlightenment, without a clue

2014-05-16 Thread authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Good for Sam Harris. Anyone without a solid understanding of this elementary truth is not going to get anywhere studying the nature of consciousness. According to Sam Harris, to say that consciousness may only seem to exist is to admit its existence in full—for if things seem any way at al

[FairfieldLife] Post Count Sat 17-May-14 00:15:08 UTC

2014-05-16 Thread FFL PostCount ffl.postco...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
Fairfield Life Post Counter === Start Date (UTC): 05/10/14 00:00:00 End Date (UTC): 05/17/14 00:00:00 673 messages as of (UTC) 05/16/14 23:04:12 80 fleetwood_macncheese 74 'Richard J. Williams' punditster 52 authfriend 52 TurquoiseBee turquoiseb 37 dhamiltony2k5 37 aw

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: commenting on enlightenment, without a clue

2014-05-16 Thread curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : "He made it very clear on the first 6 month course that his model was just that and then proceeded to try to convince everyone they were already in Brahmin Consciousness like those Advaita dudes do!" Now that is very very interesting to me - he

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: commenting on enlightenment, without a clue

2014-05-16 Thread curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : So...we can forget about you addressing this issue, directly; your failure to experience what Maharishi attempted to teach you, and have you teach others. It doesn't bode well for you, dude. You continue your evasive moves, trying to somehow make

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: commenting on enlightenment, without a clue

2014-05-16 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
"He made it very clear on the first 6 month course that his model was just that and then proceeded to try to convince everyone they were already in Brahmin Consciousness like those Advaita dudes do!" Now that is very very interesting to me - he really said that, that the CC, GC, UC stuff was ju

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: commenting on enlightenment, without a clue

2014-05-16 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
it is an excellent mahavakya, but too much to not disassemble. The key is the identity. The more bound the identity, the less consciousness there is between the mind and the unified field (not sure what you mean here, by unified field, but infinite correlation will do). So, as the identity expa

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: commenting on enlightenment, without a clue

2014-05-16 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
How do you feel it is a trick of the mind? On Fri, 5/16/14, salyavin808 wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: commenting on enlightenment, without a clue To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, May 16, 2014, 8:52 PM  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: commenting on enlightenment, without a clue

2014-05-16 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
So...we can forget about you addressing this issue, directly; your failure to experience what Maharishi attempted to teach you, and have you teach others. It doesn't bode well for you, dude. You continue your evasive moves, trying to somehow make this about me. But, it isn't about me. It is a

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: commenting on enlightenment, without a clue

2014-05-16 Thread curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : So, let's get this straight. You are not enlightened, are not established in Being, and therefore have not the slightest idea of what Maharishi was ultimately trying to accomplish. c: I have a very clear idea of what he was trying to accomplish.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: commenting on enlightenment, without a clue

2014-05-16 Thread curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
I am not a fan of Wilber.. I only read on of his books I think it was that one. I believe he is an example of using physics poetry to make it seem as if we are having a meaningful discussion about things we are not in a position to meaningfully understand or discuss. He reminds me of Maharishi t

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: commenting on enlightenment, without a clue

2014-05-16 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
So, let's get this straight. You are not enlightened, are not established in Being, and therefore have not the slightest idea of what Maharishi was ultimately trying to accomplish. You, and that other ex-TM teacher, like to pick at the loose threads, while ignoring the blatant fact, that you

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: commenting on enlightenment, without a clue

2014-05-16 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 5/16/2014 3:45 PM, curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: > High exposure leads to an erosion of the ability to distinguish > internal and external experiences. Where else but in our consciousness would knowledge be structured? According to Ken Wilber, consciousness is the having o

[FairfieldLife] the deer this morning

2014-05-16 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
I mentioned them earlier: a closer look https://app.box.com/s/0toaopzloex24swoxn8r https://app.box.com/s/0toaopzloex24swoxn8r deer eating clover https://app.box.com/s/phi5lwcj1eh54ibtjfxn https://app.box.com/s/phi5lwcj1eh54ibtjfxn listening https://app.box.com/s/cqgmqumz48j5zmdxb

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: commenting on enlightenment, without a clue

2014-05-16 Thread curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Your attributes are wrong. Share didn't write that paragraph, I did. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : On 5/16/2014 4:00 PM, Share Long sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: C: > I challenge his fundamental assumption that "knowledge is structured > in

[FairfieldLife] Re: What do Ginger Baker and black coffee have in common?

2014-05-16 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Excellent! It is good that such things have survived all the tech. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Yes, I have. Another is 'penin-kulma', originally probably 'penin-kuulema', 10 kilometres, a distance a dog's (peni) barking can still be heard (kuulla) from??

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: commenting on enlightenment, without a clue

2014-05-16 Thread curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : "Neither one of you is established in being" It's that phrase again. Language is a big problem here. If I was to say I have an experience caused by my brain having learnt over time to experience a separation of my thoughts and the way the consc

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: commenting on enlightenment, without a clue

2014-05-16 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 5/16/2014 4:00 PM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: > I challenge his fundamental assumption that "knowledge is structured > in consciousness." This is epistemological bogus and psychologically > manipulative. > You've totally lost me on this one. It is a standard Ved

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: commenting on enlightenment, without a clue

2014-05-16 Thread curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : C: Thanks for asking Share. You will get more than a nutshell because this is a rich topic. The first fundamental problem for me is that he was shaping our view of our experiences from his techniques from a religious perspective created in a pr

[FairfieldLife] Re: What do Ginger Baker and black coffee have in common?

2014-05-16 Thread cardemais...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Yes, I have. Another is 'penin-kulma', originally probably 'penin-kuulema', 10 kilometres, a distance a dog's (peni) barking can still be heard (kuulla) from??

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: commenting on enlightenment, without a clue

2014-05-16 Thread anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
I had a fairly clear experience of being some years before I learned TM, while that clarity then did not last, it did leave a strong sense of how to proceed with a 'spiritual' life, as I had no religious nor spiritual inclinations until that experience. But the sense it left was that the 'spirit

Re: [FairfieldLife] Cafe Zen

2014-05-16 Thread Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
turq, I love these 2 phrases: shakes her head with joy...brought to silence. On Friday, May 16, 2014 8:03 AM, "TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" wrote:   Sun on face, beer on table Hotel California on the sound system My kinda cafe Friday While others on this forum demon

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: commenting on enlightenment, without a clue

2014-05-16 Thread Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
salyavin, what do you think is the relationship between the mind and the unified field? This is what I'm pondering about the last couple of months. On Friday, May 16, 2014 3:52 PM, salyavin808 wrote:   ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.co

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: commenting on enlightenment, without a clue

2014-05-16 Thread Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
C: Thanks for asking Share. You will get more than a nutshell because this is a rich topic. The first fundamental problem for me is that he was shaping our view of our experiences from his techniques from a religious perspective created in a pre-scientific society. He made many unwarranted a

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: commenting on enlightenment, without a clue

2014-05-16 Thread salyavin808
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Curtis writes: "The problem was that I don't think he [Maharishi] is right about human consciousness." My only question is: How do you know Maharishi is wrong, if you have not completed the

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: commenting on enlightenment, without a clue

2014-05-16 Thread curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Oh, Curtis, no need to play COY - It is clear you do not witness 24x7, are not established in Being, C: Glad you settled that Jim. Do tell. J: and have no clue what it was you were supposed to be teaching others to accomplish, during your daze

Re: [FairfieldLife] HuffPost US vs. UK on the new Indian Prime Minister

2014-05-16 Thread Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
noozguru, guilty as charged! By big, do you mean large in square miles or population or influence? On Friday, May 16, 2014 2:14 PM, "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]" wrote:   Weren't paying much to the last 50 years of US politics? On 05/16/2014 10:11 AM, Share Long sharel

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: commenting on enlightenment, without a clue

2014-05-16 Thread curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Curtis, can you say in a nutshell what about consciousness you think Maharishi got wrong? C: Thanks for asking Share. You will get more than a nutshell because this is a rich topic. The first fundamental problem for me is that he was shaping our

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: commenting on enlightenment, without a clue

2014-05-16 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Oh, Curtis, no need to play COY - It is clear you do not witness 24x7, are not established in Being, and have no clue what it was you were supposed to be teaching others to accomplish, during your daze as a TM-teacher. Quit the smoke-screen. You and the other phony "enlightened" ex-TM teacher

Re: [FairfieldLife] A nostalgia moment

2014-05-16 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Tom Wilson (Biff) performs The Question Song on WEBN On Fri, 5/16/14, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] A nostalgia moment To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" Date: Friday, May 16, 2014, 4:56 PM

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What do Ginger Baker and black coffee have in common?

2014-05-16 Thread Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
Thumbs top grip. This is usually a grip for tympani. On 05/16/2014 12:16 PM, cardemais...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: A bit tense and inaccurate, but sounds quite good, though: http://drummerworld.com/Videos/gingerbakerrudiments.html

Re: [FairfieldLife] HuffPost US vs. UK on the new Indian Prime Minister

2014-05-16 Thread Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
On 05/16/2014 12:23 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: On 5/16/2014 11:52 AM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] wrote: > On 05/16/2014 09:37 AM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com > [FairfieldLife] wrote: >> >> On 5/16/2014 11:09 AM, Bhair

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: commenting on enlightenment, without a clue

2014-05-16 Thread curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Curtis writes: "The problem was that I don't think he [Maharishi] is right about human consciousness." I am willing to bet a jelly donut, that the other mouthy ex-TM teacher on FFL, agrees with you, here. My only question is: How do you k

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: commenting on enlightenment, without a clue

2014-05-16 Thread Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Curtis, can you say in a nutshell what about consciousness you think Maharishi got wrong? On Friday, May 16, 2014 2:58 PM, "curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" wrote:   ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : On 5/16/2014 11:54 AM, curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] wrot

[FairfieldLife] Re: A nostalgia moment

2014-05-16 Thread merudanda
Back to the Future (1985): Where Are They Now? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOh45HZV26U http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOh45HZV26U Back to the Future (1985): Where Are They Now? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOh45HZV26U find out what happen to the 1985 movie, Back to the Future.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: commenting on enlightenment, without a clue

2014-05-16 Thread curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : On 5/16/2014 11:54 AM, curtisdeltablues@... mailto:curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: > The problem was that I don't think he is right about human > consciousness. And that leads me to post on a site like this one as I > figure out whe

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: commenting on enlightenment, without a clue

2014-05-16 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Curtis writes: "The problem was that I don't think he [Maharishi] is right about human consciousness." I am willing to bet a jelly donut, that the other mouthy ex-TM teacher on FFL, agrees with you, here. My only question is: How do you know Maharishi is wrong, if you have not completed

[FairfieldLife] Re: What do Ginger Baker and black coffee have in common?

2014-05-16 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Hey, Carde, ever heard of a unit of measure called a "poronkusema"? Apparently the Samis use it - the distance a reindeer travels before it has to pee. I just found out today. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : A bit tense and inaccurate, but sounds quite good, though: http://dru

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: commenting on enlightenment, without a clue

2014-05-16 Thread curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : On 5/16/2014 12:15 PM, curtisdeltablues@... mailto:curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: > R: Over twenty years. My gawd, Man! I finished school, got married, > raised a family and retired from a career in that length of time. So, > I jus

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: commenting on enlightenment, without a clue

2014-05-16 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
A few were nice, like Rick's brother-in-law, and Mark P, and a couple were real pricks, but easy enough to avoid - The work was really hard, and physical, so there wasn't room for much elitist stuff, and we got a lot of latitude, as a result. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I do

Re: [FairfieldLife] HuffPost US vs. UK on the new Indian Prime Minister

2014-05-16 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 5/16/2014 11:52 AM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] wrote: > On 05/16/2014 09:37 AM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com > [FairfieldLife] wrote: >> >> On 5/16/2014 11:09 AM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] >> wrote: >> > India seems to be doing a pendulu

Re: [FairfieldLife] What do Ginger Baker and black coffee have in common?

2014-05-16 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Makes sense -- great story about the drifting tempo - ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Drummers when they sing are focusing on the vocal not the drumming. But Collins is probably enough of a pro it doesn't matter. That's the thing, I only had problems with non-pro musicians o

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: commenting on enlightenment, without a clue

2014-05-16 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 5/16/2014 11:54 AM, curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: > The problem was that I don't think he is right about human > consciousness. And that leads me to post on a site like this one as I > figure out where I stand on various issues of interest to others on > this board. > Thi

[FairfieldLife] Re: What do Ginger Baker and black coffee have in common?

2014-05-16 Thread cardemais...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
A bit tense and inaccurate, but sounds quite good, though: http://drummerworld.com/Videos/gingerbakerrudiments.html http://drummerworld.com/Videos/gingerbakerrudiments.html

Re: [FairfieldLife] HuffPost US vs. UK on the new Indian Prime Minister

2014-05-16 Thread Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
Weren't paying much to the last 50 years of US politics? On 05/16/2014 10:11 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: noozguru, I'm intrigued by your statement that big countries can't get it right. Can you say more? On Friday, May 16, 2014 11:52 AM, "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglo

Re: [FairfieldLife] A nostalgia moment

2014-05-16 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 5/16/2014 11:56 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: I don't know what made me think of this, but does anyone else remember Biff from the "Back to the Future" movies? > He's still got his hair, which is probably more than you can claim. And, it looks like he still got

Re: [FairfieldLife] What do Ginger Baker and black coffee have in common?

2014-05-16 Thread Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
Not necessarily. A lot of drummers learned rudimental drumming in high school. A lot of Baker's playing verged on that. It may just sound like they are influenced by Baker. On 05/16/2014 11:46 AM, Pundit Sir pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Virtually every drummer of every heavy

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: commenting on enlightenment, without a clue

2014-05-16 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 5/16/2014 12:15 PM, curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: > R: Over twenty years. My gawd, Man! I finished school, got married, > raised a family and retired from a career in that length of time. So, > I just can't figure it. Where is Dr. Pete when we need him? > > C: Yeah I've bee

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: commenting on enlightenment, without a clue

2014-05-16 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 5/16/2014 12:15 PM, curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: To call what you and Jim do in your postings an expression of a "spiritual path" is laughable even from the perspective within the movement I left behind. > So, I don't have to /prove/ anything in a debate - all I have to

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: commenting on enlightenment, without a clue

2014-05-16 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 5/16/2014 12:15 PM, curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: > Thanks for posting this, but it is difficult to understand why anyone > would work in a cult movement for over twenty years and then turn > around and refute almost everything they believed in before. > > C: Really? You ca

Re: [FairfieldLife] What do Ginger Baker and black coffee have in common?

2014-05-16 Thread Pundit Sir pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
Virtually every drummer of every heavy metal band that has followed since Fresh Cream has sought to emulate some aspect of Baker's playing. Ginger Baker Live at Royal Albert Hall - Toad solo http://youtu.be/4Gze0PxDKgQ On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 3:24 AM, salyavin808 wrote: > > > They both suck wit

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: facing a lack of spiritual experience head on

2014-05-16 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
All the good stuff I learnt raght cheer on FFL! On Fri, 5/16/14, lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: facing a lack of spiritual experience head on To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, May 16, 2014, 3

[FairfieldLife] Does meditation make you SMART?

2014-05-16 Thread salyavin808
(Perhaps if you play drums and meditate?) Does meditation make you SMART? Letting your mind wander lets the brain process MORE thoughts than when concentrating Letting your mind wander is more effective than concentrating on emptying your head of thoughts, scientists said Researchers from

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: facing a lack of spiritual experience head on

2014-05-16 Thread Pundit Sir pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
MJ: > I am very happy to have been of some small service > to the lady who recently got TM booted out of her son's > school in San Francisco. > We are so *happy* for you to finally accomplish something in your life. You should be very proud of your accomplishments, which are many indeed. What woul

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Cutting Spam on FFL

2014-05-16 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 5/16/2014 9:51 AM, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: TM/MIU/MUM are a sacred posting ground here. > Apparently there are zero TMO representatives posting here. But, I wonder how many TMO lurkers there are? You would think though, that at least one MUM student in ten years would

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Cutting Spam on FFL

2014-05-16 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 5/16/2014 9:58 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: I suspect Richard is referring just to your posts, Buck. > Spam is somebody trying to sell us something. And, there's not much TMO news to report. The speed of movement news from the TMO could be compared to that of pouring mo

Re: [FairfieldLife] What do Ginger Baker and black coffee have in common?

2014-05-16 Thread Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
Drummers when they sing are focusing on the vocal not the drumming. But Collins is probably enough of a pro it doesn't matter. That's the thing, I only had problems with non-pro musicians on time or in one case when I subbed for a friend the leader had a heart condition which caused his tempo

Re: [FairfieldLife] Sleeper TV show

2014-05-16 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
Hey, I'm a fan of From Dusk til Dawn, both the original movie, and the TV series. Reviewers rank it pretty highly, actually, so its not just oddballs like me who like it. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : On 5/16/2014 2:09 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquo

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: commenting on enlightenment, without a clue

2014-05-16 Thread Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
I admit I'm congratulating myself because most of the time I don't feel tormented. And if I do, then I practice a little EFT tapping or ho'oponopono. On Friday, May 16, 2014 12:15 PM, "curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" wrote:   --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Th

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: commenting on enlightenment, without a clue

2014-05-16 Thread curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Thanks for posting this, but it is difficult to understand why anyone would work in a cult movement for over twenty years and then turn around and refute almost everything they believed in before. C: Really? You can't understand why a person in t

Re: [FairfieldLife] commenting on enlightenment, without a clue

2014-05-16 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 5/16/2014 10:31 AM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: > Rank beginners in terms of spiritual advancement, not cult following. > In terms of cult following, Barry and Curtis have us all beat, hands > down. That is why they piss and moan about it, so often. > Alright, being

Re: [FairfieldLife] HuffPost US vs. UK on the new Indian Prime Minister

2014-05-16 Thread Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
noozguru, I'm intrigued by your statement that big countries can't get it right. Can you say more? On Friday, May 16, 2014 11:52 AM, "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]" wrote:   On 05/16/2014 09:37 AM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:   >On

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: commenting on enlightenment, without a clue

2014-05-16 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
Thanks for posting this, but it is difficult to understand why anyone would work in a cult movement for over twenty years and then turn around and refute almost everything they believed in before. And, then be so obsessive about it they would troll here to torment people still on the spiritual

[FairfieldLife] A nostalgia moment

2014-05-16 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
I don't know what made me think of this, but does anyone else remember Biff from the "Back to the Future" movies? He started out looking like this, yer classic big guy with a tiny dick: But over time he morphed into pretty much the same big guy with the tiny dick, but now sagging and experienc

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: commenting on enlightenment, without a clue

2014-05-16 Thread curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : On 5/16/2014 11:07 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: However, the trend around here, for a couple of ex-TM teachers, seems to be to take credit for their status and knowledge as TM teachers, with

Re: [FairfieldLife] HuffPost US vs. UK on the new Indian Prime Minister

2014-05-16 Thread Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
On 05/16/2014 09:37 AM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: On 5/16/2014 11:09 AM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] wrote: > India seems to be doing a pendulum swing again from the more liberal > socialist leadership to the conservative BJP. Big count

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