Well, looking at both the EEG of pure consciousness, and my own admittedly crude personal experience, I'd say that only the see-er remains.
Of course, this goes back to the kind of meditation practice you engage in. Virtually all the well-studied practices other than TM lead to a decrease in alpha (associated with non-directed attention or self-reflection) and an increase in gamma (associated with objects) or beta (associated with paying attention). Long-term TM looks like short-term TM, but moreso: the simple alpha EEG of pure consciousness starts to become a trait outside of pure consciousness while gamma becomes less obvious. L --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long <sharelong60@...> wrote: > > L, I've heard others say that about only seeing remains. I understand it > from the perspective of the development from GC to UC. Both subject and > object of knowing get subsumed by and thus united by, the process of > knowing. I prefer to call that knowingness. It's kind of a funny combo of > statis and activity. I've had glimpses only, not claiming anything other > than early morning waking state. > > > > > ________________________________ > From: sparaig <LEnglish5@...> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 6:13 AM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: BatGap Panel Discussion ââ¬â John > Hagelin, Ph.D., Igor Kufayev, and Mark McCooey. Moderated by Rick Archer > > > >  > I watched the 57 minute version of this panel discussion and a few things > that I noted: > > Apparently it is ok to mention Ramana Maharishi but not Maharishi Mahesh > Yogi. The meditation teacher in the center, I believe, was a long-term TM > teacher, but now perhaps an independent teacher of his own set of techniques? > > John, I think, was biting his tongue almost continuously. > > The artist had some interesting things to say, but a couple of things he said > I fould off: if I heard him correctly, he said that samadhi is where the > seeing is all that is left? That seer, process of seeing and seen merge and > only the seeing is left? Di he say or mean seer and I misheard? > > Also, he made mention several times of breath suspension, but in fact, if you > can be aware that your breath has suspended, that is an awareness OF the body > or at least awareness of breath-suspension, and is not samadhi. > > All the panelists seem to have fallen prey to the shortcoming that they > mention where they assume they have arrived somewhere. > > L > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <rick@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > New post on Buddha at the Gas Pump > > > > <http://s.wordpress.com/i/emails/blavatar-default.png> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://batgap.com/?author=1> > > > > > > <http://batgap.com/sand-panel-discussion/> 175. Panel Discussion ââ¬" > > John Hagelin, Ph.D., Igor Kufayev, and Mark McCooey. Moderated by Rick > > Archer > > > > > > by <http://batgap.com/?author=1> Rick > > > > PANEL: The Three Simultaneously True Levels of Nondual Reality; Don't > > Mistake Understanding for Realization, Don't Mistake Realization for > > Liberation. John Hagelin, Ph.D., is a world-renowned quantum physicist, > > educator, public policy expert, and leading proponent of peace. Dr. Hagelin > > received his A.B. summa cum laude from Dartmouth College and his M.A. and > > Ph.D. from Harvard University, [ââ¬Â¦] > > > > <http://batgap.com/sand-panel-discussion/> Read more of this post > > > > <http://batgap.com/?author=1> Rick | May 20, 2013 at 7:06 am | Categories: > > <http://batgap.com/?taxonomy=category&term=guests> Guests | URL: > > <http://wp.me/p1q1S0-IB> http://wp.me/p1q1S0-IB > > > > > > <http://batgap.com/sand-panel-discussion/#respond> Comment > > > > <http://batgap.com/sand-panel-discussion/#comments> See all comments > > > > > > > > > > Trouble clicking? Copy and paste this URL into your browser: > > <http://batgap.com/sand-panel-discussion/> > > http://batgap.com/sand-panel-discussion/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=jetpack.wordpress.com&blog=20980056&post=2765&subd=batgap.com&ref=&email=1&email_o=jetpack> > > >
