Beyond the Universe of Time and Change.
[ their "God" is beyond the universe ] Never met any of the religionists godo's on my travels. But I did find something which was beyond the perception and my memory of the physical universe ME. But there was nobody else there, no godos, no sons of godos, just me and that divine and wondrous pleroma of an eternal NOW. And therein I found my SELF, its very first ground of conscious existence; Primordial Cognition. Hell, and I was not even looking for it, or anything. Were you made in the same factory? Well, you find out. You say there is a limit to what we can know. I guess you are right at that. But we can sure KNOW or SELF, and when you know that then you know what your are NOT. And that is the important bit. Hell, I don't even know how to build a computer, or how to build a rocket. But I know what I am and from whence I came and why. So that will do me for now. I found it when I was very young, so I had cope with that all my adult life and there is more. But best not mention that. Dick. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "yifuxero" <yifux...@...> wrote: > > Among other possible types of limitations: (Scientific American, p. > 19, March 2009): > > 1. Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle (HUP). ..."Heisenberg > discovered that improved precision regarding, say, an object's > position inevitably degraded the level of certainity of its momentum." > > 2. "Kurt Godel showed that within any formal mathematical system > advanced enough to be useful, it is impossible to use the system to > prove evfery true statement that it contains." > > 3. "...Alan Turing demonstrated that one cannot, in general, > determine if a computer algorithm is going to halt". > > 4. New theorem of David H. Wolpert, NASA Ames Research Center. > " ... has chimed in with his version of a knowledge limit. Because > of it, he concludes, the universe lies beyond the grasp of any > intellect, no matter how powerful, that could exist within the > universe." "...no matter what laws of physics govern a universe, > there are inevitably facts about the universe that its inhabitants > cannot learn by experiment or predict with a computation". > > [brief comment on the last one. To get around such arguments against > Omniscience, Fundamentalists are fond of saying that their "God" is > beyond the universe, thus negating Wolpert's theorem. > But various philosophical arguments can be brought to bear on > counteracting the Fundies. Some of these will be presented shortly. >
