[FairfieldLife] Disengaging (was Re: Fwd: Vote for Consciousness-Based Education at Change.org)

2010-01-30 Thread WillyTex
I don't fully get what you mean by Dharma in this context... Do: Dharma is almost universally considered to be one's righteous duty, or virtuous path based on a moral code of behavior that leads to liberation... This is going to be way above the intellect of Curtis and Hugo,

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2010-01-29 Thread Irmeli
I've emphasized the interesting part in ALL CAPS below. http://integrallife.com/node/60735 Integral practitioners should not be focusing on transforming the world, but rather helping people better translate the world from wherever they might be — after all, the best way to

[FairfieldLife] Disengaging (was Re: Fwd: Vote for Consciousness-Based Education at Change.org)

2010-01-29 Thread do.rflex
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli irmeli.matts...@... wrote: I've emphasized the interesting part in ALL CAPS below. http://integrallife.com/node/60735 Integral practitioners should not be focusing on transforming the world, but rather helping people better

[FairfieldLife] Disengaging (was Re: Fwd: Vote for Consciousness-Based Education at Change.org)

2010-01-29 Thread Irmeli
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: Are you asserting that -legitimate- states of higher consciousness including God Consciousness and Unity Consciousness can be obtained with total disregard for the principles of Dharma? I don't fully get what you mean

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2010-01-29 Thread do.rflex
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli irmeli.matts...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: Are you asserting that -legitimate- states of higher consciousness including God Consciousness and Unity Consciousness can be obtained with

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2010-01-29 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jpgillam jpgil...@... wrote: I wrote: I'm a long way from re-certifying as a TM teacher, but I like what the organization is trying to do and look forward to its success. I'd like to see the TM organization (and all the other individuals

[FairfieldLife] Disengaging (was Re: Fwd: Vote for Consciousness-Based Education at Change.org)

2010-01-29 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: snip Concentration, to them, is almost by definition BAD, or contrary to the natural tendency of the mind, or lesser than effortlessness. It can take such a person a decade or more before they are willing to even *try* a

[FairfieldLife] Disengaging (was Re: Fwd: Vote for Consciousness-Based Education at Change.org)

2010-01-28 Thread Hugo
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcg...@... wrote: I started meditating in April of 1973. My disengagement happened by January 1974. Yet I still went to TTC, MIU, and 6-month course and got what I could out of those experiences (a lot of great things) and rejected

Re: [FairfieldLife] Disengaging (was Re: Fwd: Vote for Consciousness-Based Education at Change.org)

2010-01-28 Thread It's just a ride
On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 4:21 AM, Hugo richardhughes...@hotmail.com wrote: Why Bevan and Hagelin feel they need to persist in it now MMY is gone I don't know, too brainwashed for their own good perhaps? Too much adjustment required to fit back into the real world? Probably both reasons and

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2010-01-28 Thread TurquoiseB
I am not so much replying to any of the thoughtful comments in this thread as I am reusing the Subject line because I like the word disengaging. It's a long and fascinating process, and one of the most challenging aspects of it is disengaging not just from contact with the organization you no

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2010-01-28 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: snip Thing is...that's not true. Many forms of meditation are performed with eyes open. Many do not require you to sit or remain inactive while practicing them. That's the mantra of the Turq; please stop TM and do

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2010-01-28 Thread Hugo
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, It's just a ride bill.hicks.all.a.r...@... wrote: I /wish/ I were in the position of Dr. John or Dr. BM to have so many people bow down at my feet, drone on about how wonderful I am, travel (I doubt steerage class) wherever they want, have so many

[FairfieldLife] Disengaging (was Re: Fwd: Vote for Consciousness-Based Education at Change.org)

2010-01-28 Thread Hugo
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: I am not so much replying to any of the thoughtful comments in this thread as I am reusing the Subject line because I like the word disengaging. It's a long and fascinating process, and one of the most challenging

[FairfieldLife] Disengaging (was Re: Fwd: Vote for Consciousness-Based Education at Change.org)

2010-01-28 Thread WillyTex
TurquoiseB: To be free of everyday interaction with a spiritual organization is one form of disengaging. But have you really disengaged if you've never challenged the basic, core assumptions it taught you to see if you still consider them to be true? So, what have you done to disengage

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2010-01-28 Thread jpgillam
I wrote: I'm a long way from re-certifying as a TM teacher, but I like what the organization is trying to do and look forward to its success. I'd like to see the TM organization (and all the other individuals and organizations who've taken up this work) make the world a better

[FairfieldLife] Disengaging (was Re: Fwd: Vote for Consciousness-Based Education at Change.org)

2010-01-27 Thread jpgillam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity wrote: May I ask, how did you happen to disengage? I sometimes wonder how likely it is for a long term true believer to give it up and lose faith. And whether it simply is a drifting away or a more

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2010-01-27 Thread ShempMcGurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jpgillam jpgil...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity wrote: May I ask, how did you happen to disengage? I sometimes wonder how likely it is for a long term true believer to give it up and

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2010-01-27 Thread Doug
This is one of those more cogent posts about the TMorg that can show up on FFL. Archetypal. There are many hundreds of meditators like this around Fairfield and lots of others around the country also just like this. What was a whole movement. Practically, if Hagelin, Tony and Bevan et.