--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <jstein@> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > I wasn't there, of course, but just from your quote > > > > I wouldn't be sure he was referring to attuning > > > > yourselves to his thinking in any case, so much as > > > > that eventually you would all be in the same state > > > > of consciousness he was. > > > > > > In my honest and long-considered opinion, > > > all of Maharishi's students have *always* > > > been in the same state of consciousness > > > as he is -- normal old waking state. The > > > problems arise when one or more of the > > > students start to achieve what the teacher > > > never has. > > > > <snore> > > P.S.: Notice, once again, that Barry has conflated > "What MMY sez..." (or in this case, "What MMY > may have meant...") with "What MMY sez is true." > > It's really a very obvious distinction, but Barry > simply cannot seem to make it. > > Could that be because the former gives him no > opportunity to recycle his old MMY-is-a-fraud- > and-you-stupid-TBs-believe-him mantras?
Ah. As Maharishi would say, "A perfect opportunity for the answer we have already prepared." :-) ************************************************************ Isn't it fascinating how many of the same people who believe strongly in TM and its ability to allow them to transcend their thoughts and concepts and ideas during meditation cling so desperately to those same thoughts and concepts and ideas here on FFL, often to the point of feeling that they have to "defend" them from "attack?" I find it the most fascinating trend in spiritual practice, period, much less in the TM movement. On the one hand, one is introduced to a practice that -- by definition -- cannot work unless one drops all of one's thoughts and concepts and ideas and leaves them behind. On that same hand, the practitioners understand deeply that these thoughts and concepts and ideas are not only *not them*, not *who they are*. You achieve the goal of experiencing your Self by letting them go. And then, on the other hand, these same people who twice a day are reminded that their thoughts and concepts and ideas are *not them* are indoctrinated -- via literally hours and days and months and years of lectures and talks and books and videos -- into a new set of thoughts and concepts and ideas that they are told are not only true, but "the highest knowledge" available on the planet. They are told how incredibly lucky they are to *be* indoctrinated into these thoughts and concepts and ideas, and that the fact that they know them and believe them makes them *special*, more evolved than and better than the "unevolved" people around them. They are taught to *defend* these thoughts and concepts and ideas as some kind of cosmic truth. And if they deviate from the thoughts and concepts and ideas in any way they are purged from the group and sent away in disgrace. Just *think* about the cognitive dissonance that this creates in these seekers. Just *look* at it every day on this forum. The *same* people who are reminded at least twice a day as they meditatie that they are *NOT* their thoughts, *NOT* their concepts, and *NOT* their ideas and that it's the easiest thing in the world to just let go of these things -- what do they do? They snarl and fight like cornered animals whenever one of these thoughts or concepts or ideas is challenged. They're convinced that they know the truth about enlightenment, even though the closest most of them have ever come to it is hearing it described in someone else's thoughts and concepts and ideas. They're convinced that their view of Maharishi is true and incontestable, even though many of these same people have never even sat in the same room with him. They're convinced that *their* interpretation of the things he says is "right," and that anyone who interprets them differently is, well, "wrong." They're convinced about almost *everything*. The thing that makes this forum so interesting is that *so* many people here are *so* convinced that the same thoughts and concepts and ideas they let go of so easily in meditation are *so* right and *so* precious that outside of meditation they have to fight for them and defend them to the death. It's a little scary sometimes. Some of the good people here, including myself, have been fortunate enough to be involved with spiritual traditions that allow you to let go of your thoughts and concepts and ideas as often outside of meditation as you do during meditation. IMO these people stand out. Their ideas "flow" in a way that the ideas of the others do not, probably because they're not attached to them. They *trust* themselves enough to give expression to their thoughts and concepts and ideas, in the moment, and then *let go* of those same thoughts and concepts and ideas in the next moment. They aren't all anal retentive about them; they *understand* that these thoughts and concepts and ideas are Just Passing Through, and are not "them." And as a result, in my humble opinion, there is more "them" there behind the posts than there is in the ones who *are* anal retentive about their thoughts and concepts and ideas, squeezing their mental butt cheeks together desperately, with all the force they can muster, trying to hold onto them just one minute longer. My advice to the anal retentive types here is to let your turds plop. The sound of the thoughts and concepts and ideas you once thought were "you" hitting the toilet water is remarkably liberating. The sound of flushing them away forever is even more so. *Just* as in meditation, you can't really experience your Self completely *until* you flush them all away. Hanging onto them doesn't make you smart; it just makes you full of shit. ************************************************************ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
