Others argue that videha or bodiless liberation actually refers to
'liberation from the body, while still in the body'.
FWIW, here's the suutra (and Bhojadeva's comment [vRtti])
following the YF-suutra, with B. Mullquist's remarks and attempts at
translation:
bahirakalpitA
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote:
Because UC is TM and hence BS whereas VC (Vakra consciousness) is the
real deal.
Vaj has a special bullet for every TM term.
Please don't
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote:
How about Sex/Masturbation without guilt.
You don't mean Master Bation. Has he come to FF yet?
Yes - Master Bation indeed, don't know if he has
On Apr 23, 2011, at 11:16 PM, seventhray1 wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote:
Because UC is TM and hence BS whereas VC (Vakra consciousness) is the real
deal.
Vaj has a special bullet for every TM term.
Actually my take was simple (at least
The best description I've come across is Western Nondual Tantra.
But does it have a 5 cylinder overhead cam?
I just completed my 2nd interview with Saniel and Linda today, and we
discussed this topic quite a bit, as we did in last week's interview.
On Apr 23, 2011, at 9:46 AM, turquoiseb wrote:
Nondual Tantra. That's an interesting conundrum,
because one valid definition of Tantra is the recon-
ciliation of opposites. Opposites are dualistic.
They imply a dualistic universe.
In Nondual Tantra, tantra or gyu in Tibetan means continuity
It's not a matter of being self-conscious. I'm simply not afflicted with the
sort of issues that would give rise to gross public displays of mania, mental
instability, delusions of grandeur, etc.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote:
May be he's too self
On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 10:08 AM, Alex Stanley
j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com wrote:
Eastern spirituality very often does involve trying very hard to not be
here now exactly as now is. There's a lot of focus on creating a glorified
and perfected I/me story of the future and/or simply
I saw a good discussion yesterday on Chinese CNN - CCTV, with John Naisbitt
(a futurist), talking about China's current rural population of 50% (where the
US was in 1910), and how to accomplish the mechanization of farms and
distribution of services to rural areas, along with the huge
That's exactly right - you are totally in control of yourself !!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@...
wrote:
It's not a matter of being self-conscious. I'm simply not afflicted with the
sort of issues that would give rise to gross public displays of
Invalid comparison.
While Buddhist Tantra can be compared to other traditions of Indian Yoga
and Tantra it does not reside in the same conceptual universe. It does
not possess the same assumptions as the so-called Hindu
Tantra.
Shunyam in Hindu Tantra-s and Shunyataa in Buddhist Tantra
On Apr 24, 2011, at 4:39 PM, emptybill wrote:
Invalid comparison.
While Buddhist Tantra can be compared to other traditions of Indian Yoga and
Tantra it does not reside in the same conceptual universe. It does not
possess the same assumptions as the so-called Hindu Tantra.
I
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@... wrote:
Tibet is the Peoples Republic of China.
Live with it.
Do you have any thoughts on when the PRC will take back Taiwan?
On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 6:24 PM, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@... wrote:
Tibet is the Peoples Republic of China.
Live with it.
Do you have any thoughts on when the PRC will take back Taiwan?
1) Who will
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@... wrote:
Well put Alex. I started to fade on the idea in the late 70s after 6 or 7
years of hearing that the next big course was the one, the big one, the one
that will really put you over. I went full tilt at it for as long as I
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu yifuxero@... wrote:
I don't believe the Waking Down people are Neo-A's...they don't
fit into that set. On the contrary, I would categorize them as
realists.
Nor are they self-abnegators.
http://www.feebleminds-gifs.com/green-mermaid.jpg
The
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@...
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu yifuxero@ wrote:
I don't believe the Waking Down people are Neo-A's...they don't
fit into that set. On the contrary, I would categorize them as
realists.
Nor
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu yifuxero@ wrote:
I don't believe the Waking Down people are Neo-A's...they don't
fit
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley
j_alexander_stanley@... wrote:
Without that egoic gnawing that craves fulfillment in those objects,
one is free to enjoy those objects without suffering because their is no
expectation of fulfillment and the object can be enjoyed in the moment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley
j_alexander_stanley@ wrote:
Without that egoic gnawing that craves fulfillment in those
objects, one is free to enjoy those objects without suffering
because
edzackerly, oddly enough it is no longer possible or pleasurable to try and
escape where I always find myself, here, now - 4D. Its like that movie Ground
Hog Day, only a much faster cycle.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@...
wrote:
--- In
Lest anyone think life after Waking Down is a constant bed of roses, this state
has also allowed me to feel pain and grief, far beyond what I ever could
before. Plus, with no denial or pushing away of shadow stuff, the brutal
integrity has left me neurotically dysfunctional in areas that I
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@...
wrote:
Lest anyone think life after Waking Down is a constant bed
of roses, this state has also allowed me to feel pain and
grief, far beyond what I ever could before. Plus, with no
denial or pushing away of shadow
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@
wrote:
Lest anyone think life after Waking Down is a constant bed
of roses, this state has also allowed me to feel pain and
grief, far beyond
On Apr 22, 2011, at 8:24 AM, Alex Stanley wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote:
and it
addressed 'embodiment', which was great for the Bonder people who
were
there. I walked out with one of them. she was prepared not to like
him but
loved him
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote:
On Apr 22, 2011, at 8:24 AM, Alex Stanley wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote:
and it
addressed 'embodiment', which was great for the Bonder people
who were
there. I walked
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley
j_alexander_stanley@... wrote:
snip
Now, I still experience desires, and I still have preferences, but
there's no longer that craving and seeking fulfillment. It's like I'm
free floating in Now, and if Now happens to involve some wonderful
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley
j_alexander_stanley@... wrote:
Lest anyone think life after Waking Down is a constant bed of roses,
this state has also allowed me to feel pain and grief, far beyond what I
ever could before. Plus, with no denial or pushing away of shadow
Yes, that makes two of us. I really know nothing of Waking Down other than
what you've written Alex, but I agree with Judy that you have always seemed
screwed together rather well here at FFL!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote:
--- In
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote:
On Apr 22, 2011, at 8:24 AM, Alex Stanley wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote:
and it
addressed 'embodiment', which was great for the Bonder people
who were
there. I walked
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley
j_alexander_stanley@ wrote:
Without that egoic gnawing that craves fulfillment in those objects,
one is free to enjoy those objects without suffering
May be he's too self conscious to make a fool of himself?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@... wrote:
Yes, that makes two of us. I really know nothing of Waking Down other than
what you've written Alex, but I agree with Judy that you have always seemed
screwed together
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote:
What's your beef with embodiment? Are you suggesting that spiritual
awakening should involve being disembodied?
Why do you think Unity Consciousness is called videha-mukti, bodiless (or
disembodied) liberation?
On Apr 23, 2011, at 8:56 PM, Alex Stanley wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote:
On Apr 22, 2011, at 8:24 AM, Alex Stanley wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote:
and it
addressed 'embodiment', which was great for the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote:
On Apr 23, 2011, at 8:56 PM, Alex Stanley wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote:
On Apr 22, 2011, at 8:24 AM, Alex Stanley wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote:
On Apr 23, 2011, at 8:56 PM, Alex Stanley wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote:
On Apr 22, 2011, at
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote:
From these ways of seeing it would seem to indicate Bonder is
advocating a form of CC or liberation while still emphatically
embodied. (I'm not a follower or anyone who's read Bonder, I'm
just going on what I've heard from you
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote:
How about Sex/Masturbation without guilt.
You don't mean Master Bation. Has he come to FF yet?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote:
Because UC is TM and hence BS whereas VC (Vakra consciousness) is the
real deal.
Vaj has a special bullet for every TM term.
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Alex Stanley
Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2011 7:19 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Adyashanti in Fairfield
The best description I've come across is Western Nondual Tantra
and it
addressed 'embodiment', which was great for the Bonder people
who were
there. I walked out with one of them. she was prepared not to
like him but
loved him after.
And oh those poor Bonder people. What are we going to do for them? That
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote:
AdyaS is sitting there saying okay you got the transcendent, it starts from
there; sit with it some more and look in to it some more.
Look into the transcendent some more ?
He sounds as a good old moodmaker.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote:
and it
addressed 'embodiment', which was great for the Bonder
people who were
there. I walked out with one of them. she was prepared not
to like him but
loved him after.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@...
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote:
and it
addressed 'embodiment', which was great for the Bonder
people who were
there. I walked out
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote:
AdyaS is sitting there saying okay you got the transcendent, it starts
from there; sit with it some more and look in to it some more.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@...
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote:
And oh those poor Bonder people. What are we going to do for
them? That embodiment stuff.
What's your beef with embodiment? Are you
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote:
AdyaS is sitting there saying okay you got the transcendent, it starts
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote:
And oh those poor Bonder people. What are we going to do for
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@...
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@...
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@...
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@
wrote:
--- In
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:
snip
If one seeks the annihilation of self when one dies,
how likely is such a person to immerse themselves
in life, and enjoy its pleasures? Their whole goal
in life is to have these pleasures *end*. Forever.
Oh, nonsense.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley
j_alexander_stanley@... wrote:
I'm not selling anything. I stated an opinion based on my observations
of having lived in FF for almost 29 years. In the TM world,
enlightenment is always this exalted state of future perfection that
requires
and it
addressed 'embodiment', which was great for the Bonder
people who were
there. I walked out with one of them. she was prepared not
to like him but
loved him after.
AdyaShanti did an amazingly good job skating a line between asking
Well put Alex. I started to fade on the idea in the late 70s after 6 or 7 years
of hearing that the next big course was the one, the big one, the one that
will really put you over. I went full tilt at it for as long as I could, but
man, am I ever glad I took my foot off the imaginary spiritual
I don't believe the Waking Down people are Neo-A's...they don't fit into that
set. On the contrary, I would categorize them as realists.
Nor are they self-abnegators.
http://www.feebleminds-gifs.com/green-mermaid.jpg
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 wayback71@... wrote:
when I saw Adya in Manhattan a few days ago, he said some of the same things,
but it sounds as if he brought out more things to the fairfield group. I
would like toa ttend one of his silent retreats someday. In
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 wayback71@ wrote:
when I saw Adya in Manhattan a few days ago, he said some of the same
things, but it sounds as if he brought out more things to the fairfield
group. I would like toa ttend one of his silent retreats someday. In
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 wayback71@ wrote:
when I saw Adya in Manhattan a few days ago, he said some of the same
things, but it sounds as if he brought out more things to the fairfield
group. I would like toa ttend one of his silent retreats
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote:
Yea, the three questions were perfect. As it turned out it was an
excellent spectrum of spiritual questions between the three questioners
on the first Fairfield nite. Was a great teaching moment all-together.
Evidently so
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 wayback71@ wrote:
when I saw Adya in Manhattan a few days ago, he said some of the same
things, but it sounds as if he brought out more things to the fairfield
group. I would like toa ttend one of his silent
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 wayback71@ wrote:
when I saw Adya in Manhattan a few days ago, he said some of the same
things, but it sounds as if he brought out more things to the
fairfield group. I would like toa ttend one of
by asking about addictions- he goes between Peace and
addictions- Adya was completely non-judgemental- beautiful-
talked about
the shadow side being just as important as the Light side- both
duality-
and when we sit in the Light, we have to embrace the
Adyashanti was brilliant last night, even better than the first night. An
amazing performance: absolutely clarity, beautifully expressed, all the
time--and very entertaining, too.
All the talk about living in the nothing and going within and finding no one
there reminded me of Emily
This is a forum on which people express their opinions. I was expressing mine.
Nothing unnecessary or inappropriate about it.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote:
Comment from a non-FFL member friend on this thread:
I think putting down gangji was in
I saw Adyahanti a few night ago in Manhattan and your description is right on.
I enjoyed it very much - a totally different experience in many ways. No people
with flowers to give him, a mixed age crowd with a lot less gussied up stuff
(maybe that is the zen influence too). Less devotion to
I am outraged that someone on FFL created consternation in someone else! This
is unheard of! FFL where the lion lies down with the lamb.and then eats
it.
--- On Wed, 4/20/11, feste37 fest...@yahoo.com wrote:
From: feste37 fest...@yahoo.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Adyashanti
when I saw Adya in Manhattan a few days ago, he said some of the same things,
but it sounds as if he brought out more things to the fairfield group. I would
like toa ttend one of his silent retreats someday. In California, where he is
very popular, the retreats are by lottery since so many
What we need is a guru handicapper ala Joan Rivers. That would be a
nice diversion.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@...
wrote:
On Apr 20, 2011, at 11:53 AM, Rick Archer wrote:
Comment from a non-FFL member friend on this thread:
I think putting down gangji
I went and heard him Tuesday nite here in Fairfield. Tonite there was
something else 'satsang' going on that was better so I went with it. That's
FFL. AdyaS is really very good at what he does and I thought he handled
Fairfield very well and fairly. Through the evening he very carefully
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