[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice

2011-04-03 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, azgrey no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip Judy wrote: He's projecting how *he* would feel if he were in that position and assuming it must apply to me as well. You often point out things

[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice

2011-04-02 Thread azgrey
Thanks for both the reply and the humor expressed. Please excuse my tardiness. It is due to my habit of mostly scanning several days of FFL in message view and not following it contemporaneously. Judy wrote: He's projecting how *he* would feel if he were in that position and assuming it must

[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice

2011-04-02 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, azgrey no_reply@... wrote: Thanks for both the reply and the humor expressed. Please excuse my tardiness. It is due to my habit of mostly scanning several days of FFL in message view and not following it contemporaneously. Several days? This goes back

[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice

2011-04-02 Thread azgrey
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, azgrey no_reply@ wrote: Thanks for both the reply and the humor expressed. Please excuse my tardiness. It is due to my habit of mostly scanning several days of FFL in message

[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice

2011-03-10 Thread whynotnow7
Hi az, I told myself I wouldn't do this anymore, but you seem sincere so here is a sutra I used for decades that perfectly encapsulates and brings about the phases of enlightenment: The Hoikku Poiki 1. Extend your right leg (extension of your lower self) into the circle of inner

[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice

2011-03-09 Thread Buck
FW: An Evening of the Sedona Method Weds, Mar. 16 - 7:30 PM - Fairfield Public Library Bluscout this is concise and well said. It is my opinion and experience too. In Fairfield, pursuit of the wider spiritual cultivation is what has been much of the history of the last decade or so.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice

2011-03-09 Thread azgrey
Shri Jim: I've tried flattery. I've tried simple curiosity. I've tried Karmic deposits in the Akashic Bank of Trust And Universal Fidelity. Damn Boy! Doesn't anything work with you? Have pity Dude! Think of the many who could be guided by your example and presumptuous assumptions. I implore

[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice

2011-03-08 Thread Buck
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: Bluscout this is concise and well said. It is my opinion and experience too. In Fairfield, pursuit of the wider spiritual cultivation is what has been much of the history of the last decade or so. Beyond transcending

[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice

2011-03-08 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: Well it would mean some are reaching the bottom of the ocean (TC) in the bubble diagram, and others are only 'blanking out' at one of the subtle waves towards the bottom, in a laya (Non-TC). NBD, but e.g. in

[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice

2011-03-07 Thread Ravi Yogi
Ouch..azgrey this must have hurt, really this is not helping you nail down the third spot of the FFL neo-advaita troika. Please control yourself, check with Barry and Vaj on the proper protocol. Not only are you are unenlightened but you are also not the brightest bulb around here. --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice

2011-03-07 Thread Ravi Yogi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: No, that's not what I'm saying. Very few people will naturally transcend the breadth of mind without either a natural pre-propensity (purva-punya, good past life cred) or just happen to stumble on the state through alternate

[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice

2011-03-07 Thread Buck
Bluscout this is concise and well said. It is my opinion and experience too. In Fairfield, pursuit of the wider spiritual cultivation is what has been much of the history of the last decade or so. Beyond transcending is what is missed with just TM. Some people look pretty bad in fact for

[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice

2011-03-07 Thread seventhray1
I agree. This has been an enjoyable discussion, although I participated mostly as an observer. It has given me a bit of a new perspective. On the other hand, I am not much given to such analysis anymore. Still, I found some of the distinctions made quite interesting. --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice

2011-03-07 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: I agree. This has been an enjoyable discussion, although I participated mostly as an observer. It has given me a bit of a new perspective. On the other hand, I am not much given to such analysis anymore. Still, I

[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice

2011-03-06 Thread azgrey
Thanks for the reply Jim. How is the view from up there? Can I call you Jim? Is Sri Jim or Flanegin-ji a more appropriate moniker? I would relish the opportunity to learn more of this exalted state you find yourself in and how you came to find yourself, ah, enlightened. Was it a sudden thing?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice

2011-03-06 Thread azgrey
I'm awestruck EB, but need further guidance. Are the qualities of flatuscendence dimensional in nature or aural with concomitant odiferous aspects? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@... wrote: Yep, while the wiki rishi-s have the highest state and know everything,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice

2011-03-06 Thread azgrey
Boy, it sure didn't take long to get *that* started up again this week. Do your neighbors complain about the sound of teeth grinding while the 50 post Judy Rule is in use and your outbursts are confined to the Bardo? Surely it scares the bejeezus out of the cats.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice

2011-03-06 Thread whynotnow7
Hey I'm not answering any of those questions without a *significant* donation in advance...just so I know you are a serious seeker. So send in that check, and we'll talk! :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, azgrey no_reply@... wrote: Thanks for the reply Jim. How is the view from up

[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice

2011-03-06 Thread azgrey
I deposited a retainer in an escrow account in the Akashic Bank of Trust. How did you not know that? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: Hey I'm not answering any of those questions without a *significant* donation in advance...just so I know you are a

[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice

2011-03-06 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, azgrey no_reply@... wrote: Boy, it sure didn't take long to get *that* started up again this week. Do your neighbors complain about the sound of teeth grinding while the 50 post Judy Rule is in use and your outbursts are confined to the Bardo? No, I've

[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice

2011-03-06 Thread whynotnow7
Well, I could get all technical about it and reiterate that Akashic Escrow Accounts only become available post Brahman Consciousness, subset four, section two, but rather than quibble, I enjoyed your response! :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, azgrey no_reply@... wrote: I deposited a

[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice

2011-03-06 Thread seventhray1
I think it's more likely that it posted after 2:00, and won't show up until tomorrow. Actually the 2:00 cut off doesn't apply anymore. I've deposited checks in the ATM at 3:00 pm and see that they've cleared by the next morning. So much for the float. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice

2011-03-05 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Mar 4, 2011, at 2:53 PM, sparaig wrote: For heaven's sake. How do you know that they are chakkras? How do you discriminate at all if you are in PC? SIghs and shakes head. I believe that's why he's asking

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice

2011-03-05 Thread Tom Pall
On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 7:46 AM, Vaj vajradh...@earthlink.net wrote: We at the Council for the Restoration of the Purity of the Tradition have determined that there is a further abode beyond Krispy Consciousness: Marshmallow Krispy Consciousness (MKC). MKC is a state of consciousness which is

[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice

2011-03-05 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip On the face of it, it isn't at all impossible that you simply didn't reach that depth and clarity and length of time of transcending when you were

[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice

2011-03-05 Thread blusc0ut
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blusc0ut no_reply@ wrote: snip I am not speaking of noisiness. In TM it was embedded in a cycle. and it was much shorter. I also did not call it PC per se, I was rather responding to

[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice

2011-03-05 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: The story goes that Maharishi wanted to feel what it was like to live a life in bondage, but after three days he couldn't take it anymore - Lutes!, he yelled, Get me out of these god-damned bandages!:-) Dear Jim, The

[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice

2011-03-05 Thread whynotnow7
Thank you - I am hoping to reach normal human being when it is my turn. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: The story goes that Maharishi wanted to feel what it was like to live a

[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice

2011-03-05 Thread WillyTex
authfriend: Vaj has repeated this lie here in various forms over and over for years... Not to mention that Hatha Yoga is a form of gymnastics! Mahesh Yogi obviously knew all the basic poses, and could sit for hours in 'Padmasana' without the least apparent discomfort. This into his

[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice

2011-03-05 Thread WillyTex
blusc0ut: flatuscendence , Lol you nailed it The 'TurquoiseB' reads this in Message View, he says there's no information being posted to this forum - just BS. But, there's still only one known Sanskrit reader on this forum, unless you want to count B. Mullquist. Go figure. Yep, while the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice

2011-03-05 Thread WillyTex
emptybill: Yep, while the wiki rishi-s have the highest state and know everything, the almost highest rishi-s can see but cannot describe... So, we are agreed: In Sanskrit it's 'dhyana', Chinese 'chan', and in Japan, 'zen', which translated into English means 'meditation'. According

[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice

2011-03-05 Thread emptybill
Now it can be told: Maharishi wasn't really a yogi. He was a gym teacher! Finally it all makes sense. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willytex@... wrote: authfriend: Vaj has repeated this lie here in various forms over and over for years... Not to mention that Hatha

[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice

2011-03-05 Thread WillyTex
emptybill: Now it can be told: Maharishi wasn't really a yogi. He was a gym teacher! But, how long can you sit in Padmasana? Finally it all makes sense. To go to a gym? Mahesh Yogi obviously knew all the basic poses, and could sit for hours in 'Padmasana' without the least

[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice

2011-03-05 Thread whynotnow7
Makes perfect sense. Some say he was slated to become the chief men's Olympic volleyball coach for India, had Guru Dev not intervened...:-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@... wrote: Now it can be told: Maharishi wasn't really a yogi. He was a gym teacher! Finally

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice

2011-03-05 Thread Vaj
On Mar 5, 2011, at 5:11 AM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip On the face of it, it isn't at all impossible that you simply didn't reach that depth and clarity and length

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice

2011-03-05 Thread Vaj
On Mar 5, 2011, at 9:41 AM, WillyTex wrote: authfriend: Vaj has repeated this lie here in various forms over and over for years... Not to mention that Hatha Yoga is a form of gymnastics! It's been degraded to mere gymnastic poses. They have a minor relative benefit (activating

[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice

2011-03-05 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blusc0ut no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blusc0ut no_reply@ wrote: snip I am not speaking of noisiness. In TM it was embedded in a cycle. and it was much

[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice

2011-03-05 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blusc0ut no_reply@ wrote: snip As long as activity is there, even very subtle, there will be the witness, also very subtle. If there is no awareness during the experience of anything,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice

2011-03-05 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: The story goes that Maharishi wanted to feel what it was like to live a life in bondage, but after three days he couldn't take it anymore -

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice

2011-03-05 Thread Vaj
On Mar 5, 2011, at 12:06 PM, Vaj wrote: Although this was largely lost in India, it was preserved in the Unification of the Sun and Moon tantra, of which a living tradition still exists. LINK

[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice

2011-03-05 Thread emptybill
Dhyana is the generic Sanskrit word that is poorly translated into English as meditation. It is more cognate with the word contemplation (theoria). I would simply refer you to Wiki for the following words: 1. meditation 2. contemplation 3. theoria. For Wiki lovers: The first Chan master to

[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice

2011-03-05 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Mar 5, 2011, at 5:11 AM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip That you didn't reach that depth and clarity and length of time of transcending when you were practicing TM

[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice

2011-03-05 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blusc0ut no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Yep, in his Bhagavad Gita and Brahma Sutra commentaries Shankara unconditionally denounced the fools who use om ... even when they are dying. TMers

[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice

2011-03-05 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blusc0ut no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip stuff about a misunderstanding we've since resolved As I understand it--this is from the checker training course--this is what the phrase some quietness,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice

2011-03-05 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blusc0ut no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Yep, in his Bhagavad Gita and Brahma Sutra commentaries Shankara unconditionally

[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice

2011-03-05 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Mar 5, 2011, at 5:11 AM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip On the face of it, it isn't at all

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice

2011-03-05 Thread Vaj
On Mar 5, 2011, at 4:14 PM, sparaig wrote: Well it would mean some are reaching the bottom of the ocean (TC) in the bubble diagram, and others are only 'blanking out' at one of the subtle waves towards the bottom, in a laya (Non-TC). If you think that's OK that seems like a pretty bad

[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice

2011-03-05 Thread blusc0ut
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: If you think its not OK, then you have missed the point. As MMY points out, at least according to HIS theory, you can fail to transcend (no thoughts no mantra) every time you meditate until your last meditation before

[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice

2011-03-05 Thread blusc0ut
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Mar 5, 2011, at 5:11 AM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip On the face of it, it isn't at all

[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice

2011-03-05 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blusc0ut no_reply@... wrote: snip Chakras, Soul, are not mentioned in the argumentation of Lawson and Judy. If you mention them, they ignore it as if you have never said anything. Excuse me??? That's simply not true. I've asked you to talk about your

[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice

2011-03-05 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blusc0ut no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: If you think its not OK, then you have missed the point. As MMY points out, at least according to HIS theory, you can fail to transcend (no thoughts no

[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice

2011-03-05 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blusc0ut no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Yep, in his Bhagavad Gita and Brahma Sutra commentaries Shankara unconditionally

[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice

2011-03-05 Thread blusc0ut
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blusc0ut no_reply@ wrote: snip Chakras, Soul, are not mentioned in the argumentation of Lawson and Judy. If you mention them, they ignore it as if you have never said anything.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice

2011-03-05 Thread blusc0ut
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blusc0ut no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Yep, in his

[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice

2011-03-05 Thread blusc0ut
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blusc0ut no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: If you think its not OK, then you have missed the point. As MMY points out, at least

[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice

2011-03-05 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blusc0ut no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blusc0ut no_reply@ wrote: snip Chakras, Soul, are not mentioned in the argumentation of Lawson and Judy. If you

[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice

2011-03-05 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Mar 5, 2011, at 4:14 PM, sparaig wrote: Well it would mean some are reaching the bottom of the ocean (TC) in the bubble diagram, and others are only 'blanking out' at one of the subtle waves towards the bottom, in a

[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice

2011-03-05 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blusc0ut no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: If you think its not OK, then you have missed the point. As MMY points out, at least according to HIS theory, you can fail to transcend (no thoughts

[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice

2011-03-05 Thread emptybill
Unless you don't realize the Atma, according to Vedanta, there will not be any realization. Radhakrishnan states: Sha.mkara argues that it is impossible for us to know the self (Atman) by means of thought, since thought itself is a part of the flux belonging to the region of the non-self.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice

2011-03-05 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blusc0ut no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blusc0ut no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: If you think its

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice

2011-03-05 Thread Vaj
On Mar 5, 2011, at 8:05 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Mar 5, 2011, at 4:14 PM, sparaig wrote: Well it would mean some are reaching the bottom of the ocean (TC) in the bubble diagram, and others are only 'blanking out' at one of

[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice

2011-03-04 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@ wrote: For me clear transcending is when I drop out of sight for seconds to hours, no mantra, no thought, no sense of having been asleep, no sense of

[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice

2011-03-04 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blusc0ut no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: I am sorry that this is your impression. But you should consider that I said this to Lawson, and that he jumped on the thread as they were in the end of

[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice

2011-03-04 Thread blusc0ut
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blusc0ut no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: I am sorry that this is your impression. But you should consider that I said

[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice

2011-03-04 Thread seventhray1
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote: I have on occassion had a sizzle or crackle sensation when I transcended deeply, or when I seemed to go into the transcendent. Like something going

[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice

2011-03-04 Thread turquoiseb
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote: I have on occassion had a sizzle or crackle sensation when I transcended

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice

2011-03-04 Thread Vaj
On Mar 4, 2011, at 8:24 AM, turquoiseb wrote: Sadly, the esoteric knowledge of this advanced form of meditation has been lost over the ages, and few ever get to the point of even hazy transcendence, much less true KC (Krispie Consciousness). As a result, the Three Gunas have fallen on hard

[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice

2011-03-04 Thread turquoiseb
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Mar 4, 2011, at 8:24 AM, turquoiseb wrote: Sadly, the esoteric knowledge of this advanced form of meditation has been lost over the ages, and few ever get to the point of even hazy transcendence, much less true KC

[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice

2011-03-04 Thread Michael Flatley
In Kriya Yoga (and probably in TM too) complete absorption into Samadhi leaves the Body in a trance like state, completely still with no heart rate or breath and sustained by prana (life) itself. Great Yogis can stay in this period for great length of times, even MMY states in his

[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice

2011-03-04 Thread WillyTex
yifuxero: Chan meditation teacher Hsuan Hua (Pure Land School): So, you're saying that 'Chan' Master Hsuan Hua is teaching 'meditation' (chan)? http://www.longbeachmonastery.org/NEWVen24.jpg

[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice

2011-03-04 Thread wayback71
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote: I

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice

2011-03-04 Thread Vaj
On Mar 4, 2011, at 9:25 AM, Michael Flatley wrote: In Kriya Yoga (and probably in TM too) complete absorption into Samadhi leaves the Body in a trance like state, completely still with no heart rate or breath and sustained by prana (life) itself. Great Yogis can stay in this period for

[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice

2011-03-04 Thread wgm4u
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Flatley untilbeyond@... wrote: Regarding MMY, Charlie Lutes said that on several occasions he watched over the body for three days while it was wrapped up like a mummy. This indicated that MMY was a real Yogi. Did MMY practice a lot of hatha

[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice

2011-03-04 Thread aw4renes2
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote: I have on occassion had a sizzle or crackle sensation when I transcended

[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice

2011-03-04 Thread WillyTex
Is this another wiki-moment for you. I guess it would be asking too much to have them name their own Soto Zen or Dzogchen teachers... emptybill: So you are only accepting Soto teachers as valid proponents of Chan/Sön/Zen? That IS bullshit Willy! 'Soto Zen' is taught by Soto

[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice

2011-03-04 Thread WillyTex
Vaj: Maybe according the Maharishi...but M's teaching is actually divergent from Swami Brahmananda's teaching... According to Swami Svarupanand, SBS used to give bija mantras to meditate on, just like MMY did. All the Saraswati Sannyasins meditate on the bija mantra of Saraswati just like

[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice

2011-03-04 Thread whynotnow7
translation: Vaj very much wants you to drop your interest in TM, and take up Vipasanna meditation. He spends hours each week, month after month, glorifying his little technique and trashing Maharishi and all things TM. In other words, he is no different from the Christian fundamentalist

[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice

2011-03-04 Thread WillyTex
MMY's yoga asanas were developed by a gym teacher. Gym teachers make perfect yoga asana teachers. One of the most famous modern teachers of Hatha Yoga, Pattabhi Jois, was a school gym teacher. Pattabhi Jois was an Indian yoga teacher. He was a student of Tirumalai Krishnamacharya, and

[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice

2011-03-04 Thread turquoiseb
Trying to stay out of the shit of this one, but feeling the need to comment anyway, I will just say that I have not once seen Vaj try to push or sell any particular technique or tradition here. He has *discussed* many, and in my opinion often from the valuable point of view of someone who has

[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice

2011-03-04 Thread WillyTex
turquoiseb: Trying to stay out of the shit of this one, but feeling the need to comment anyway, I will just say that I have not once seen Vaj try to push or sell any particular technique or tradition here. Just today Vaj tried to sell us on the idea of giving Texas back to the drug cartels

[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice

2011-03-04 Thread WillyTex
whynotnow7: Vaj very much wants you to drop your interest in TM, and take up Vipasanna meditation... Vaj (vajradhatu) likes Chogyam Trungpa, the founder of Vajradhatu. Go figure. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vajradhatu

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice

2011-03-04 Thread Vaj
On Mar 4, 2011, at 11:52 AM, WillyTex wrote: whynotnow7: Vaj very much wants you to drop your interest in TM, and take up Vipasanna meditation... Vaj (vajradhatu) likes Chogyam Trungpa, the founder of Vajradhatu. Go figure. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vajradhatu I do like him very

[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice

2011-03-04 Thread emptybill
According to a Shankaracharya who was also a disciple of Swami Brahmananda Saraswati, No attribution of who/what/when/where makes this quote just another spurious claim. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Mar 4, 2011, at 9:25 AM, Michael Flatley wrote: In

[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice

2011-03-04 Thread emptybill
You are showing your ignorance Willy. Dogen's shikantaza is not the same as mo-chao. Either give it up or read and become educated. A good place to start might be: The Method of No-Method The Chan Practice of Silent Illumination by Chan Master Sheng Yen You are too uninformed about this

[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice

2011-03-04 Thread emptybill
Hey, quit trashing Hindoo devils. I've got one of my own. Them is kool. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: translation: Vaj very much wants you to drop your interest in TM, and take up Vipasanna meditation. He spends hours each week, month after month,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice

2011-03-04 Thread whynotnow7
OK dude - so you see things differently here. Is that really such a big deal? Vaj evangelizes Buddhist practice regularly, specifically Vipassana. He's taken a Buddhist name, for goodness sake, and you don't think he is a Buddhist...lol? He is also a one man disinformation campaign against all

[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice

2011-03-04 Thread emptybill
Barry is selling himself. It is all he's got. This is the only reason that he is here. But wait ... that can't be 'cause he doesn't have a self ... but wait ... he doesn't need a real one to sell himself. Please entertain him for a while more. That way the rest of us can discuss whatever. ---

[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice

2011-03-04 Thread WillyTex
emptybill: You are showing your ignorance Willy. Shikentaza is Soto Zen meditation, which is very similar to TM practice. Shikantaza is a Japanese term for zazen and is associated most with the Soto school of Zen Buddhism - it is the basis of all Zen disciplines. According to Dogen Zenji,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice

2011-03-04 Thread Vaj
On Mar 4, 2011, at 11:21 AM, turquoiseb wrote: Trying to stay out of the shit of this one, but feeling the need to comment anyway, I will just say that I have not once seen Vaj try to push or sell any particular technique or tradition here. He has *discussed* many, and in my opinion often from

[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice

2011-03-04 Thread whynotnow7
wrt entertaining him, Turq has done a far better job than I ever could of attaching a bell to his tail so that he can chase himself around in circles. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@... wrote: Barry is selling himself. It is all he's got. This is the only reason

[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice

2011-03-04 Thread WillyTex
Vaj (vajradhatu) likes Chogyam Trungpa, the founder of Vajradhatu... Vaj: I do like him very much... Me too. Hey, we are both on the same path! Trungpa's meditation practice is very similar to TM meditation practice and to Suzuki's Soto zazen practice. Having been trained in all

[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice

2011-03-04 Thread sparaig
For heaven's sake. How do you know that they are chakkras? How do you discriminate at all if you are in PC? SIghs and shakes head. L. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blusc0ut no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice

2011-03-04 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote: I have on occassion had a sizzle or crackle sensation when I transcended

[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice

2011-03-04 Thread Joe
Barry has an agenda? What might that agenda be? What's mine? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: OK dude - so you see things differently here. Is that really such a big deal? Vaj evangelizes Buddhist practice regularly, specifically Vipassana. He's taken

[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice

2011-03-04 Thread Joe
Barry has an agenda? What might that agenda be? What's mine? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: OK dude - so you see things differently here. Is that really such a big deal? Vaj evangelizes Buddhist practice regularly, specifically Vipassana. He's taken

[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice

2011-03-04 Thread azgrey
emptybill said: far seeing Wiki rishi-s Brilliant. A b s o l u t e l y Brilliant. And really funny. (deep bow) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@... wrote: Stay enraged Willy! It makes your comments more amusing. So you are only accepting Soto teachers as valid

[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice

2011-03-04 Thread whynotnow7
Barry has an agenda? What might that agenda be? What's mine? No clue - didn't say it. Do you have one too? Was writing about Vaj. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@... wrote: Barry has an agenda? What might that agenda be? What's mine? --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice

2011-03-04 Thread azgrey
So we should hold you up as an example of what it is to be a TM enlightened guy? Interesting. You do still claim to have attained the loftiest of states? What level? CC? GC? UC? BC? BMFOC? ;-) Please, share. I, personally, like Joe, still enjoy my TM practice, though rarely 2x daily and

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice

2011-03-04 Thread Vaj
On Mar 4, 2011, at 2:53 PM, sparaig wrote: For heaven's sake. How do you know that they are chakkras? How do you discriminate at all if you are in PC? SIghs and shakes head. I believe that's why he's asking if: You have heard of flat transcendence and lively transcendence?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes Wide Open Mantra Practice

2011-03-04 Thread WillyTex
azgrey: Sorry WillyTex, crouched over a prairie-dog with needful thoughts is sooo inappropriate. You are not making much sense. There are no prairie-dogs in San Antonio and no prairies either. Go figure.

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