[FairfieldLife] Re: Free will and atheism

2008-03-23 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Stu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Harris, Dawkins, and Hitchens all make arguments about the absurdity of the label atheist. The only place I have seen the word used was by religious people as a pejorative. This writer was clearly reacting against these

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free will and atheism

2008-03-23 Thread tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis
stu writes snipped: In all cases, free will is adopted and rejected by people regardless of their proclivity towards faith. However, I am ever suspicious of anyone's arguments if they involve themselves with faith. If they are willing to accept one notion without adequate evidence what then of

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free will and atheism

2008-03-23 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Stu buttsplicer@ wrote: Harris, Dawkins, and Hitchens all make arguments about the absurdity of the label atheist. The only place I have seen the word used was by religious

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free will and atheism

2008-03-23 Thread Stu
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: stu writes snipped: In all cases, free will is adopted and rejected by people regardless of their proclivity towards faith. However, I am ever suspicious of anyone's arguments if they involve

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free will and atheism

2008-03-23 Thread sandiego108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Stu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlist@ wrote: stu writes snipped: In all cases, free will is adopted and rejected by people regardless of their

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free will and atheism

2008-03-22 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Whether or not there is free will depends not on belief but on state of consciousness, I'd say what depends on state of consciousness is not whether there is or is not free will, but whether the existence or

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Free will and atheism

2008-03-22 Thread Angela Mailander
Are you in brahman? If not, how would you know what's real or not real in that state or states beyond? --- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Whether or not there is free will depends not on belief but

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free will and atheism

2008-03-22 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you in brahman? If not, how would you know what's real or not real in that state or states beyond? Where exactly did I suggest I knew, Angela? --- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free will and atheism

2008-03-22 Thread Stu
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander mailander111@ wrote: Whether or not there is free will depends not on belief but on state of consciousness, I'd say what depends on state of consciousness

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Free will and atheism

2008-03-22 Thread Angela Mailander
Buttsplicer, this is fuccing brilliant--in my opinion, a phrase they add tirelessly to any statement of such in China and with mantra-like efficiency--speaking of techniques that work. Now, to my mind, there is freedom of choice, if you're willing to grant the mathematical and logical certainty

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free will and atheism

2008-03-22 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Stu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The concept of free will in a metaphysical sense is unprovable. The question of determinism versus free will turns on circular logic. Exactly. snip As for the polemic on atheism - I reject the notion of atheism altogether.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free will and atheism

2008-03-22 Thread Stu
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Stu buttsplicer@ wrote: snip Stu, did you *read* what was in the post? The writer is addressing people *who call themselves atheists*. And he doesn't appear to be a religionist

[FairfieldLife] Re: Free will and atheism

2008-03-22 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Stu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Stu buttsplicer@ wrote: snip Stu, did you *read* what was in the post? The writer is addressing people *who call

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Free will and atheism

2008-03-22 Thread Angela Mailander
Buttsplicer, once again I bow to your ass. --- Stu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Stu buttsplicer@ wrote: snip Stu, did you *read* what was in the post? The writer is