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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Louis McKenzie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Just a question on another topic. There was a lawyer who was
defending a guy in LA what happened with the situation? I was pretty
certain the guy would be convicted but there were some charges t
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> On Jan 17, 2007, at 11:06 AM, authfriend wrote:
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> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine
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> >>> just noting that for some people there can be a very
> >>> powerful heart-value to intel
On Jan 17, 2007, at 11:06 AM, authfriend wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>>> just noting that for some people there can be a very
>>> powerful heart-value to intellectual knowledge
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>> We were talking about dry intellectual knowledge, fo
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> On Jan 17, 2007, at 10:17 AM, authfriend wrote:
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> >> And when that happens, usually the org
> >> promoting the dry intellectual stuff finds some way to blame the
> >> person, citing character defects or some othe
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> I suspect one can experience *any* emotion, strong or
> otherwise, in enlightenment, because the emotion *is*
> enlightenment, as is everything else the enlightened
> being experiences. T
On Jan 17, 2007, at 10:17 AM, authfriend wrote:
>> And when that happens, usually the org
>> promoting the dry intellectual stuff finds some way to blame the
>> person, citing character defects or some other reason.
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> For the record, I wasn't "blaming" anybody or anything,
Just for the record,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
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> > On Jan 16, 2007, at 10:18 PM, sparaig wrote:
> > > My own belief, for what it is worth, is that any form of
> > > "overwhelming" emotion is, by definition, a
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> On Jan 16, 2007, at 11:37 PM, authfriend wrote:
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> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis"
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> >> Maharishi's teaching have always been rather dry and academic,
even
> >> more so the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> On Jan 17, 2007, at 7:17 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
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> > As for sparaig's notion that one cannot experience
> > strong, even "overwhelming" emotion in enlightenment,
> > I'd suggest that's Just Another Idea *About* Enlight-
>
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
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> > On Jan 16, 2007, at 10:18 PM, sparaig wrote:
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> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
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> > >> On Jan 16, 2007, at 6:13 PM, Marek Reavis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> On Jan 16, 2007, at 10:18 PM, sparaig wrote:
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> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
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> >>
> >> On Jan 16, 2007, at 6:13 PM, Marek Reavis wrote:
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> >>> Comment below:
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> >>> **
> >>>
> >>> ---
On Jan 16, 2007, at 11:37 PM, authfriend wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
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>> Maharishi's teaching have always been rather dry and academic, even
>> more so the last couple of decades. His circular expositions of
>> silence, and silence
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister wrote:
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> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis"
> > wrote:
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> > > Comment below:
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> > > **
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis"
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> > Comment below:
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> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 wrote:
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> > >**snip**
> > >
> > > True, in man, it is l
On Jan 17, 2007, at 7:17 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
As for sparaig's notion that one cannot experience
strong, even "overwhelming" emotion in enlightenment,
I'd suggest that's Just Another Idea *About* Enlight-
enment, formed from the point of view of non-enlight-
enment.
I suspect one can experien
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> On Jan 16, 2007, at 10:18 PM, sparaig wrote:
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> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
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> >> On Jan 16, 2007, at 6:13 PM, Marek Reavis wrote:
There have been passages in my life when I was overcome
>>>
On Jan 16, 2007, at 10:18 PM, sparaig wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Jan 16, 2007, at 6:13 PM, Marek Reavis wrote:
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
**snip**
He does mention bhakti, but it's more *tran
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Comment below:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 wrote:
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> >**snip**
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> > True, in man, it is limited in its expression, ("The silence which
> is
> > experienced in cosmic conscio
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Maharishi's teaching have always been rather dry and academic, even
> more so the last couple of decades. His circular expositions of
> silence, and silence into silence, and silence out of silence, etc.,
> etc., j
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Sparaig, I'm certain Vaj wasn't mocking. Thanks for standing up for
> me though.
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> And I have read Love & God but it never moved me (even though I kept
> hoping it would). I'd always kind of assumed that Mahari
Sparaig, I'm certain Vaj wasn't mocking. Thanks for standing up for
me though.
And I have read Love & God but it never moved me (even though I kept
hoping it would). I'd always kind of assumed that Maharishi and the
TMO were 'heart' oriented but an old friend of mine, an initiator who
later beca
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
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> > On Jan 16, 2007, at 5:50 PM, wmurphy77 wrote:
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> > >>
> > >> Indeed they are.: the commentaries of the Badarayana sutras.
> > >>
> > >> I traced this yea
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> On Jan 16, 2007, at 5:50 PM, wmurphy77 wrote:
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> >> Indeed they are.: the commentaries of the Badarayana sutras.
> >>
> >> I traced this years ago after I heard the first mention.
> >
> > OK, let's just assume for si
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> On Jan 16, 2007, at 6:13 PM, Marek Reavis wrote:
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> > Comment below:
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> > **
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> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
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> > **snip**
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> >> He does mention bhakti, but it's more *transcendental b
On Jan 16, 2007, at 6:44 PM, wmurphy77 wrote:
Actually it is more simply stated as that between a thimble full of
water representing Self Realization (CC according to MMY, sometimes),
A picture full of water representing GC (realization of the personal
formless 'consciousness' of the personal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Non sequitur. There's no mention nor any implication in my above
> statement that is connected to your response. Turiyatita or jivan-
> mukti are the traditional words for "CC". It's well-known in what
> style of literatu
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>**snip**
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> True, in man, it is limited in its expression, ("The silence which
is
> experienced in cosmic consciousness, and which separates the Self
from
> activity, is on an *infinitely* smaller
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
**snip**
He does mention bhakti, but it's more *transcendental bhakti* and is
present in the transitional refinement of GC. In other words it's
not
'f
On Jan 16, 2007, at 5:50 PM, wmurphy77 wrote:
Indeed they are.: the commentaries of the Badarayana sutras.
I traced this years ago after I heard the first mention.
OK, let's just assume for simplicity sake Guru Dev was in UC and MMY
just calls everything Cosmic Consciousness, Thanks! :-)
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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**snip**
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> He does mention bhakti, but it's more *transcendental bhakti* and is
> present in the transitional refinement of GC. In other words it's
not
> 'falling down in the street with your tambouri
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> On Jan 16, 2007, at 5:26 PM, sparaig wrote:
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> > The seven states of consciousness are identified, according to the
> > MUM style guide, as:
> >
> > http://resources.mum.edu/manuals/styleguide.pdf
> >
> >
> > Turiya Che
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The seven states of consciousness are identified, according to the
MUM style guide, as:
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> http://resources.mum.edu/manuals/styleguide.pdf
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>
> Turiya Chetanå (Transcendental Consciousness)
> Turiyåtit Chetanå (C
On Jan 16, 2007, at 5:26 PM, sparaig wrote:
The seven states of consciousness are identified, according to the
MUM style guide, as:
http://resources.mum.edu/manuals/styleguide.pdf
Turiya Chetanå (Transcendental Consciousness)
Turiyåtit Chetanå (Cosmic Consciousness)
Bhagavad Chetanå (God C
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> On Jan 16, 2007, at 3:47 PM, Marek Reavis wrote:
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> > Maharishi's articulation of states of enlightenment definitely seems
> > to have evolved over time; at first he spoke only of Cosmic
> > Consciousness (which was offer
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Well, this is the stuff that FFL was made for, right?
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> The field of pure existence -- Being -- *is* the Self. Actually, the
> Self is beyond both existence and non-existence. It is so rock-solid
> and compl
On Jan 16, 2007, at 3:47 PM, Marek Reavis wrote:
And that seems to be in contradistinction to what Guru Dev taught and
lived. If you go to Paul Mason's website on Guru Dev you learn that
Guru Dev taught primarily (at least to the masses) in terms of God and
the heart. You can listen to Guru D
On Jan 16, 2007, at 3:47 PM, Marek Reavis wrote:
But partly because of that, what's always struck me as peculiar is
that Maharishi's programs and organizations are so devoid of bhakti.
With the exception of him teaching us the guru puja to Guru Dev (now
somewhat morphed -- at least in emphasis
On Jan 16, 2007, at 3:47 PM, Marek Reavis wrote:
Maharishi's articulation of states of enlightenment definitely seems
to have evolved over time; at first he spoke only of Cosmic
Consciousness (which was offered as the big E -- the be all and end
all of human evolution), and only later spoke of
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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**snip**
The real significence of his
> Bhagavad Gita is that "Awareness in the state of Being alone makes the
> whole field of devotion real", this is significent! (page 7 Preface)
>
> The state of B
Thanks Marek for a really fine reply!! The real significence of his
Bhagavad Gita is that "Awareness in the state of Being alone makes the
whole field of devotion real", this is significent! (page 7 Preface)
The state of Being he is referring to is *Self-Realization* (or
realization of the soul a
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> On Jan 16, 2007, at 3:04 PM, wmurphy77 wrote:
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> > In Love and God MMY proclaims Guru Dev had reached the "Cosmic
> > Consciousness'the perfect expression of 'Purnamadah
> > purnamidam'. Now in the Gita he says
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> On Jan 16, 2007, at 3:04 PM, wmurphy77 wrote:
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> > In Love and God MMY proclaims Guru Dev had reached the "Cosmic
> > Consciousness'the perfect expression of 'Purnamadah
> > purnamidam'. Now
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> On Jan 16, 2007, at 3:04 PM, wmurphy77 wrote:
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> > In Love and God MMY proclaims Guru Dev had reached the "Cosmic
> > Consciousness'the perfect expression of 'Purnamadah
> > purnamidam'. Now in the Gita he says
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