[FairfieldLife] Re: No god required.....

2013-01-10 Thread card
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2013 4:50 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: No god required.   And even more accurately, nyaaya ( = nyAya); according to CDSL, 'nyaya' means 'destruction': nyaya m. (fr. 4. %{nI7}) going off , destruction , loss , waste

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No god required.....

2013-01-10 Thread Share Long
cardemais...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 4:52 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: No god required.   The fact, that in Sanskrit vowel length is semantically crucial, is usually taken into account only in at least semiscientific texts, and Wikipedia

[FairfieldLife] Re: No god required.....

2013-01-10 Thread card
? From: card To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 4:52 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: No god required.   The fact, that in Sanskrit vowel length is semantically crucial, is usually taken into account only in at least

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2013-01-10 Thread Share Long
...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 2:20 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: No god required.   I'm quite sure their mutual relationship is somewhat like that of, say, 'fatter' and 'father', etc. I guess that would be called a nearly homophonic

[FairfieldLife] Re: No god required.....

2013-01-09 Thread salyavin808
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote: His work *was* groundbreaking, awhile ago - now he is more of a caricature. Yes, it was stupid of him to get motor neurone disease, and leave himself open to such ridicule. I bet he's really kicking himself. --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: No god required.....

2013-01-09 Thread turquoiseb
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: His work *was* groundbreaking, awhile ago - now he is more of a caricature. Yes, it was stupid of him to get motor neurone disease, and leave himself open to such

[FairfieldLife] Re: No god required.....

2013-01-09 Thread raunchydog
http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/104200/cripple-fight --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: His work *was* groundbreaking, awhile ago - now he

[FairfieldLife] Re: No god required.....

2013-01-09 Thread Jason
--- salyavin808 wrote: Go on then, give us a concept of god that fits in with what Hawking is saying here. Or can you explain what more recent discoveries means, some sort of Hagelin-ish idea? --- seekliberation wrote: From everything i've read, and everything i've listened

[FairfieldLife] Re: No god required.....

2013-01-09 Thread doctordumbass
Thanks for the clear and useful explanation. Could also be understood cyclically, so that we can move both from consciousness to total natural law, as well as continuing to expand consciousness, by moving towards it, through the agency of total natural law, intelligence and awareness. --- In

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No god required.....

2013-01-09 Thread Share Long
It's actually called Nyaya. From: doctordumb...@rocketmail.com doctordumb...@rocketmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2013 9:49 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: No god required.   Thanks for the clear and useful

[FairfieldLife] Re: No god required.....

2013-01-09 Thread salyavin808
Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 12:14 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: No god required.   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: Salya, I do wonder why they say this in the last paragraph

[FairfieldLife] Re: No god required.....

2013-01-09 Thread card
. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: It's actually called Nyaya. From: doctordumbass@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2013 9:49 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: No god required.   Thanks

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2013-01-09 Thread Share Long
Thanks, really good to know and have never run across the distinction before.  From: card cardemais...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2013 4:50 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: No god required.   And even more

[FairfieldLife] Re: No god required.....

2013-01-08 Thread Ann
Thanks for posting this. The most interesting part of the article was, for me, this excerpt. Also the most exciting: As recent advances in cosmology suggest, the laws of gravity and quantum theory allow universes to appear spontaneously from nothing. Spontaneous creation is the reason there is

[FairfieldLife] Re: No god required.....

2013-01-08 Thread doctordumbass
Article should've been titled, Why My Concept Of God Did Not Create The Universe, thereby answering its own question. Interesting stuff on cosmology. My little secret: I have never considered Stephen Hawking all that bright.:-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 wrote:

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2013-01-08 Thread Emily Reyn
Kinda like the immaculate conception? From: Ann awoelfleba...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 9:15 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: No god required.   Thanks for posting this. The most interesting part

[FairfieldLife] Re: No god required.....

2013-01-08 Thread salyavin808
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote: Article should've been titled, Why My Concept Of God Did Not Create The Universe, Not really, it doesn't matter what concept of god you use as a creator, the point is it's unnecessary. And there couldn't have been a creator

[FairfieldLife] Re: No god required.....

2013-01-08 Thread salyavin808
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: Salya, I do wonder why they say this in the last paragraph: Each universe has many possible histories and many possible states. Only a very few would allow creatures like us to exist. I wonder why they think only a few would allow

[FairfieldLife] Re: No god required.....

2013-01-08 Thread salyavin808
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: Salya, I do wonder why they say this in the last paragraph: Each universe has many possible histories and many possible states. Only a very few would allow creatures

[FairfieldLife] Re: No god required.....

2013-01-08 Thread turquoiseb
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: So if God did not create the universe, who did? So who said it was created? Some chemist or physicist somewhere? Who created them? If no Creation took place, there is no need to look for a Creator. Seriously, why can't the universe

[FairfieldLife] Re: No god required.....

2013-01-08 Thread seekliberation
I don't think this article by stephen hawking takes into consideration different concepts of God. I think it only takes into consideration a very elementary authoritarian version of God where God is an old man with a beard standing in a kitchen baking up the recipe of the universe and staring

[FairfieldLife] Re: No god required.....

2013-01-08 Thread turquoiseb
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seekliberation wrote: I don't think this article by stephen hawking takes into consideration different concepts of God. I think it only takes into consideration a very elementary authoritarian version of God where God is an old man with a beard

[FairfieldLife] Re: No god required.....

2013-01-08 Thread card
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: So if God did not create the universe, who did? So who said it was created? Some chemist or physicist somewhere? Who created them? If no Creation took place, there is

[FairfieldLife] Re: No god required.....

2013-01-08 Thread salyavin808
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seekliberation wrote: I don't think this article by stephen hawking takes into consideration different concepts of God. I think it only takes into consideration a very elementary authoritarian version of God where God is an old man with a beard

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2013-01-08 Thread Bhairitu
On 01/08/2013 10:30 AM, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: So if God did not create the universe, who did? So who said it was created? Then it must not exist. I must be imagining things. :-D Some chemist or physicist somewhere? Who created them? If no

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2013-01-08 Thread Bhairitu
I think you're right. Hawking would only think that broader concepts of God such as everything that ever was, is and will ever be like one big machine would only be understood by a very tiny minority so he is addressing instead the great unwashed. ;-) On 01/08/2013 10:33 AM, seekliberation

[FairfieldLife] Re: No god required.....

2013-01-08 Thread seekliberation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 wrote: Go on then, give us a concept of god that fits in with what Hawking is saying here. Or can you explain what more recent discoveries means, some sort of Hagelin-ish idea? From everything i've read, and everything i've listened to

[FairfieldLife] Re: No god required.....

2013-01-08 Thread doctordumbass
You are agreeing with me - no *concept* of God can create the universe. Yes, there are other worlds and beings not subscribed to the same laws of time and space as we are. They can't be accessed with physical instrumentation. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 wrote: ---

[FairfieldLife] Re: No god required.....

2013-01-08 Thread John
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: Article should've been titled, Why My Concept Of God Did Not Create The Universe, Not really, it doesn't matter what concept of god you use as a creator, the

[FairfieldLife] Re: No god required.....

2013-01-08 Thread doctordumbass
My little secret: I have never considered Stephen Hawking all that bright.:-) Go on then, who would you consider bright compared to Hawking? Its a very long list, no offense to him.:-) He just happens to fit the socially acceptable profile of the [disabled] genius, and everyone loves him for

[FairfieldLife] Re: No god required.....

2013-01-08 Thread John
IMO, Hawking was becoming senile when he wrote this essay. It should be noted that he retired as the chairman of the physics department in Oxford University soon after he wrote his book which states the same information contained in this essay. He should have known that his ideas will not be

[FairfieldLife] Re: No god required.....

2013-01-08 Thread salyavin808
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John wrote: IMO, Hawking was becoming senile when he wrote this essay. It should be noted that he retired as the chairman of the physics department in Oxford University soon after he wrote his book which states the same information contained in

[FairfieldLife] Re: No god required.....

2013-01-08 Thread salyavin808
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote: My little secret: I have never considered Stephen Hawking all that bright.:-) Go on then, who would you consider bright compared to Hawking? Its a very long list, no offense to him.:-) He just happens to fit the socially

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2013-01-08 Thread Share Long
: salyavin808 fintlewoodle...@mail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 12:14 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: No god required.   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: Salya, I

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2013-01-08 Thread Emily Reyn
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 1:31 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No god required.   It is TOTALLY cool that we are all star dust!  And Happy Birthday day Prof. Hawkings!  So glad you outlived all their predictions.  Would LOVE

[FairfieldLife] Re: No god required.....

2013-01-08 Thread doctordumbass
His work *was* groundbreaking, awhile ago - now he is more of a caricature. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: My little secret: I have never considered Stephen Hawking all that bright.:-) Go