[FairfieldLife] Re: Non-meditation

2012-02-27 Thread Robert
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" > > > wrote: > > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: Non-meditation

2012-02-27 Thread Robert
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" > > wrote: > >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > >>> --- In Fai

[FairfieldLife] Re: Non-meditation

2012-02-20 Thread Richard J. Williams
> > According to MMY, meditation is based > > on thinking. > > > > Meditation means simply 'to think > > things over'. > > > > If so, then everyone meditates. > > emptybill: > You must have never done TM. > Let's review: If I think, I meditate; everyone thinks; so, then everyone meditates. "Medit

[FairfieldLife] Re: Non-meditation

2012-02-19 Thread emptybill
You must have never done TM. This is an idiots definition. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" wrote: > > > Or, I guess it all depends on how you > can define 'meditation'. According to > MMY, meditation is based on thinking. > > Meditation means simply 'to think > thing

[FairfieldLife] Re: Non-meditation

2012-02-19 Thread Buck
The millions are awake enough for physical labor; but only one in a million is awake enough for effective intellectual exertion, only one in a hundred millions to a poetic or divine life. To be awake is to be alive. I have never yet met a man who was quite awake. How could I have looked him in t

[FairfieldLife] Re: Non-meditation

2012-02-19 Thread azgrey
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > On Feb 19, 2012, at 3:12 PM, azgrey wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > > > I think the most I can say at this point is that my "path" is > > > one of gradually increasing transparency. >

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Non-meditation

2012-02-19 Thread Vaj
On Feb 19, 2012, at 3:12 PM, azgrey wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > I think the most I can say at this point is that my "path" is > > one of gradually increasing transparency. > > Here's to hoping you succeed and completely disappear. > > Cheers.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Non-meditation

2012-02-19 Thread azgrey
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > I think the most I can say at this point is that my "path" is > one of gradually increasing transparency. Here's to hoping you succeed and completely disappear. Cheers.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Non-meditation

2012-02-19 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog" wrote: > Maharishi was all about innocent practice. He didn't want us to get caught up > in flashy experiences and miss "capturing the fort" (his analogy) because > we're too busy exploring gold and diamond mines. The "fort" includes all the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Non-meditation

2012-02-19 Thread raunchydog
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" > > wrote: > > > > > If you are meditating and think that meditation will take you > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: Non-meditation

2012-02-19 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" > wrote: > > > If you are meditating and think that meditation will take you > > from A to B, what is A like, and what is B like, and what is > > on the connexion betwee

[FairfieldLife] Re: Non-meditation

2012-02-18 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" wrote: > If you are meditating and think that meditation will take you > from A to B, what is A like, and what is B like, and what is > on the connexion between A and B? I think the most I can say at this point is that my "path" is

[FairfieldLife] Re: Non-meditation

2012-02-18 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" > wrote: > >> What do you think or feel the characteristics of your path are? > > Boy, I'm sorry, but I don't know what that question > even means. I do TM and the TM-Sid

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Non-meditation

2012-02-18 Thread Bhairitu
On 02/16/2012 08:00 PM, Buck wrote: > The world could be a better place. > Well, okay then Buck, what's your vision of "a better place?"

[FairfieldLife] Re: Non-meditation

2012-02-18 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" > wrote: > > What do you think or feel the characteristics of your path > > are? I am just curious, I do not intend to argue about it, > > or bring in details of anythin

[FairfieldLife] Re: Non-meditation

2012-02-17 Thread raunchydog
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" > > wrote: > >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > >>> --- In Fai

[FairfieldLife] Re: Non-meditation

2012-02-17 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" wrote: > What do you think or feel the characteristics of your path are? Boy, I'm sorry, but I don't know what that question even means. I do TM and the TM-Sidhis, then I go about my business. You'll have to be more specific if you

[FairfieldLife] Re: Non-meditation

2012-02-17 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" > wrote: >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" >>> wrote: > I used the t

[FairfieldLife] Re: Non-meditation

2012-02-17 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" > > wrote: > > > I used the term 'devotional path' in a general way; being > > > devot

[FairfieldLife] Re: Non-meditation

2012-02-17 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" > wrote: > > > > Response to Judy. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > As I go back and reread your post, though, I'm a little > > > c

[FairfieldLife] Re: Non-meditation

2012-02-17 Thread Buck
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" wrote: > > Response to Judy. > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" > > wrote: > >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wro

[FairfieldLife] Re: Non-meditation

2012-02-17 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" wrote: > > Response to Judy. > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > As I go back and reread your post, though, I'm a little > > confused as to whether by "devotion" you mean devotion > > to MMY or a devotio

[FairfieldLife] Re: Non-meditation

2012-02-17 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius
Response to Judy. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" > wrote: >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" >>> wrote: >>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Non-meditation

2012-02-17 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: You need to get out more Turqo, not just dream about the good old days :-) > A few ads from the grand old days of medicine, all touting trademarked > "cures for what ails ya," all sold "because the science says so." > > [Lloyd Cocaine

[FairfieldLife] Re: Non-meditation

2012-02-17 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" > > wrote: > > > > > Here is an article on enlightenment by vice-president of > > > MU

[FairfieldLife] Re: Non-meditation

2012-02-17 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" > wrote: > > > Here is an article on enlightenment by vice-president of > > MUM Craig Pearson: > > > > http://issue5.tmmagazine.org/enlightenment-throughout-history.ht

[FairfieldLife] Re: Non-meditation

2012-02-17 Thread marekreavis
Buck, your message seems to be more and more a call for intolerance. Appeals using militaristic metaphors carry (to me, at least) subliminal suggestions of violence. You decry how long time meditators are treated by TMO officials but call for shunning those whom you believe don't believe and act

[FairfieldLife] Re: Non-meditation

2012-02-17 Thread turquoiseb
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote: > > People just should > come to meditation. > > The world should be a better place with > more meditators. > All people should have more > resolve to meditate > if only because the science says so. > We would all be better off. A few ads from t

[FairfieldLife] Re: Non-meditation

2012-02-17 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" wrote: > Here is an article on enlightenment by vice-president of > MUM Craig Pearson: > > http://issue5.tmmagazine.org/enlightenment-throughout-history.html > > At least this shows that despite the heavy-handed promotion > of TM

[FairfieldLife] Re: Non-meditation

2012-02-17 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote: > > The world could be a better place. > > Look, the need is great for transcending meditators now to do their practice. > For disciplined transcending meditators within the power and light of the > Unified Field in their practice. Gather fr

[FairfieldLife] Re: Non-meditation

2012-02-17 Thread Buck
Seriously, we all need to do something about the none-meditator. It is time to shun none-meditation and the person without meditation for not pulling their own weight. For spiritual slacking. It's not just lost opportunity, not meditating. It's a crime against everyone to not be a meditator. P

[FairfieldLife] Re: Non-meditation

2012-02-16 Thread Yifu
2-nd Dragoon Regiment General: (by Mikael Aguirre)... http://www.museumsyndicate.com/images/5/40331.jpg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote: > > The world could be a better place. > > Look, the need is great for transcending meditators now to do their practice. > For disciplined

[FairfieldLife] Re: Non-meditation

2012-02-16 Thread Buck
The world could be a better place. Look, the need is great for transcending meditators now to do their practice. For disciplined transcending meditators within the power and light of the Unified Field in their practice. Gather friends who are meditators. A group of 100 makes a company. Ten

[FairfieldLife] Re: Non-meditation

2012-02-16 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: > > On 02/16/2012 12:25 PM, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: > > > > > >> I have also heard that Maharishi when told of teachers who had moved on > >> to more advanced paths commented that he

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Non-meditation

2012-02-16 Thread Bhairitu
On 02/16/2012 12:25 PM, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: > > >> I have also heard that Maharishi when told of teachers who had moved on >> to more advanced paths commented that he thought that was good. > > I also heard that in the Great Pyramid in Egy

[FairfieldLife] Re: Non-meditation

2012-02-16 Thread Yifu
That website will rot your brain, for sure. Hagelin has no demonstrable Sidhis. He's promoting demon-infected programs. ... Here's a better website: http://www.optoutprescreen.com --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: Non-meditation

2012-02-16 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: > I have also heard that Maharishi when told of teachers who had moved on > to more advanced paths commented that he thought that was good. I also heard that in the Great Pyramid in Egypt Sidhas are living who were initiated 5000 years

[FairfieldLife] Re: Non-meditation

2012-02-16 Thread Buck
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > On Feb 16, 2012, at 1:03 PM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius wrote: > > > Those of us who responded to the initial post by Buck were just > > riffing off of it, each of us interpreting 'non meditation' as we > > saw fit. I think Buck may have

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Non-meditation

2012-02-16 Thread Bhairitu
On 02/16/2012 10:03 AM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" > wrote: Non meditation as a term means 'no thought' which is almost exactly what the term transcendental... meditation means, 'beyond thought'. >> Vaj: >>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Non-meditation

2012-02-16 Thread Vaj
On Feb 16, 2012, at 1:03 PM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius wrote: Those of us who responded to the initial post by Buck were just riffing off of it, each of us interpreting 'non meditation' as we saw fit. I think Buck may have meant 'non meditation' to refer to those who do not meditate, or thos

[FairfieldLife] Re: Non-meditation

2012-02-16 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" wrote: > >>> Non meditation as a term means 'no thought' which >>> is almost exactly what the term transcendental... >>> >>> meditation means, 'beyond thought'. >>> > Vaj: >> In the context of these quotes, that is not what is >> meant

[FairfieldLife] Re: Non-meditation

2012-02-16 Thread Richard J. Williams
> > Although we are big on asking for objective proof > > of subjective claims here on FFL, I for one wish > > to say that I hope neither of your spiritual paths > > requires you to take the dump truck silence test > > anytime soon... > > Vaj: > Of course the ultimate "silence test" has to be the >

[FairfieldLife] Re: Non-meditation

2012-02-16 Thread Richard J. Williams
> > Non meditation as a term means 'no thought' which > > is almost exactly what the term transcendental... > > > > meditation means, 'beyond thought'. > > Vaj: > In the context of these quotes, that is not what is > meant by non-meditation. In TM-speak, the closest > thing I can think of is

[FairfieldLife] Re: Non-meditation

2012-02-16 Thread Richard J. Williams
> > > However, I recently stumbled upon an example of secular > > > intransigence... > > > > > Buck, what was the example of spiritual intransigence you > > refer to? Did you mean to include a link or a quote or > > something? > > Buck: > Dear Authfriend, > I shan't give pleasure repeating the anti

[FairfieldLife] Re: Non-meditation

2012-02-16 Thread Richard J. Williams
> > > > However, I recently stumbled upon an example of secular > > > > intransigence that may give readers a sense of how spiritual > > > > people feel when their methods as technologies are criticized. > > > > As you will see but for the rigorous research conducted it > > > > suggests that it

[FairfieldLife] Re: Non-meditation

2012-02-15 Thread raunchydog
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert" wrote: > > The samskaras resolve themselves when they are viewed in terms of Self. > When the witness to thoughts is established then self-referral is a natural > process and this produces the experience of subtler states of what caused the > whol

[FairfieldLife] Re: Non-meditation

2012-02-15 Thread Robert
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > On Feb 14, 2012, at 10:53 PM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius wrote: > > > In the TM system, so I understand, CC is not permanent, it > > eventually dissolves into other states. > > CC is THE end state in yoga-darshana and various tantric syste

[FairfieldLife] Re: Non-meditation

2012-02-15 Thread awoelflebater
When I go to bed at night I prepare myself for the equivalent of a three feature movie. My dreams are that clear, that long and usually entertaining. They average about three main themes per night. I can understand why I wake up just as tired as when I went to bed. That is a lot of work doing al

[FairfieldLife] Re: Non-meditation

2012-02-15 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" > wrote: > > > I woke up this morning, not feeling particularly great (I am > > under medication on the advice of a physician). I was > > dreaming. I dreamed I was in so

[FairfieldLife] Re: Non-meditation

2012-02-15 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" wrote: > I woke up this morning, not feeling particularly great (I am > under medication on the advice of a physician). I was > dreaming. I dreamed I was in some movement facility, which in > my dreams always seems to resemble being

[FairfieldLife] Re: Non-meditation

2012-02-15 Thread merudanda
HEJ DUDE This title construction noise...you should ask Jemima Pitman for help- but she was a little busy wasn't she [:D] here some photos: Mallorca, Spain 1972 January - March an island in the Mediterranean off the east coast of Spain Hotel Bahia del Este, Calla Millor, east side of the islan

[FairfieldLife] Re: Non-meditation

2012-02-15 Thread turquoiseb
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: > > > > Good rap, Xeno. My experience is similar to yours, in that over the > > years "intellectual knowledge" has become less and less interesting to > > me

[FairfieldLife] Re: Non-meditation

2012-02-15 Thread Robert
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > On Feb 15, 2012, at 7:43 AM, Robert wrote: > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Feb 14, 2012, at 10:40 AM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius wrote: > > > > > > > Non meditation as a term means 'no thou

[FairfieldLife] Re: Non-meditation

2012-02-15 Thread turquoiseb
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater wrote: > > Hey Barry, what year was that TTC? I think my sister and brother > in law were on that course. 1972. The first half of what has become known as the Mallorca-Fiuggi course was there in La Antilla. Inter- estingly enough, I never foun

[FairfieldLife] Re: Non-meditation

2012-02-15 Thread awoelflebater
Hey Barry, what year was that TTC? I think my sister and brother in law were on that course. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > On Feb 15, 2012, at 9:00 AM, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yaho

[FairfieldLife] Re: Non-meditation

2012-02-15 Thread turquoiseb
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > On Feb 15, 2012, at 9:00 AM, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > > > No attachment to thoughts as they

[FairfieldLife] Re: Non-meditation

2012-02-15 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > Good rap, Xeno. My experience is similar to yours, in that over the > years "intellectual knowledge" has become less and less interesting to > me, to the point that now I have little tolerance for it. And > interestingly in my case the "t

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Non-meditation

2012-02-15 Thread Vaj
On Feb 15, 2012, at 9:00 AM, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > No attachment to thoughts as they arise, persist and then > > disappear is what eventually dissipates the samska

[FairfieldLife] Re: Non-meditation

2012-02-15 Thread turquoiseb
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > No attachment to thoughts as they arise, persist and then > > disappear is what eventually dissipates the samskaras. > > Retreating into silence just causes addi

[FairfieldLife] Re: Non-meditation

2012-02-15 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > On Feb 14, 2012, at 10:53 PM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius wrote: > >> In the TM system, so I understand, CC is not permanent, it >> eventually dissolves into other states. > > CC is THE end state in yoga-darshana and various tantric systems.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Non-meditation

2012-02-15 Thread Vaj
On Feb 15, 2012, at 7:43 AM, Robert wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > On Feb 14, 2012, at 10:40 AM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius wrote: > > > Non meditation as a term means 'no thought' which is almost exactly what the term transcendental meditation means, 'beyond

[FairfieldLife] Re: Non-meditation

2012-02-15 Thread Robert
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > On Feb 14, 2012, at 10:40 AM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius wrote: > > > Non meditation as a term means 'no thought' which is almost exactly what > > the term transcendental meditation means, 'beyond thought'. > > > In the context of these qu

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Non-meditation

2012-02-15 Thread Vaj
On Feb 14, 2012, at 10:53 PM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius wrote: In the TM system, so I understand, CC is not permanent, it eventually dissolves into other states. CC is THE end state in yoga-darshana and various tantric systems. It's only from the POV of advaita vedanta that sees brahman co

[FairfieldLife] Re: Non-meditation

2012-02-15 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: >> >> On 02/13/2012 06:11 PM, Buck wrote: >>> Non-meditation >>> >>> It seems to me that many non-meditators have forgotten�or never >>> knew�what it is like to suffer an unhappy co

[FairfieldLife] Re: Non-meditation

2012-02-15 Thread Buck
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > On Feb 13, 2012, at 9:11 PM, Buck wrote: > > > However, I recently stumbled upon an example of secular > > intransigence that may give readers a sense of how spiritual people > > feel when their methods as technologies are criticized.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Non-meditation

2012-02-15 Thread Buck
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: > > On 02/13/2012 06:11 PM, Buck wrote: > > Non-meditation > > > > It seems to me that many non-meditators have forgotten—or never knew—what > > it is like to suffer an unhappy collision with scientific rationality. We > > are open to good

[FairfieldLife] Re: Non-meditation

2012-02-15 Thread turquoiseb
Good rap, Xeno. My experience is similar to yours, in that over the years "intellectual knowledge" has become less and less interesting to me, to the point that now I have little tolerance for it. And interestingly in my case the "tipping point" was because of my own experience -- some of it with R

[FairfieldLife] Re: Non-meditation

2012-02-14 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > On Feb 14, 2012, at 10:40 AM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius wrote: > >> Non meditation as a term means 'no thought' which is almost exactly what the >> term transcendental meditation means, 'beyond thought'. > > In the context of these quotes, tha

[FairfieldLife] Re: Non-meditation

2012-02-14 Thread Buck
Well first off, Non-meditation.  It's one Big sin against nature. Guru Dev was right, "To get a human body is a rare thing -make full use of it. ... Every second in human life is very valuable. If you don't value this, then you will have nothing in hand and you will weep in the end." --- In Fa

[FairfieldLife] Re: Non-meditation

2012-02-14 Thread feste37
Two excellent posts today, Xenophaneros Anartaxius, I enjoyed them -- and much of what you say mirrors my own experience. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogro

[FairfieldLife] Re: Non-meditation

2012-02-14 Thread authfriend
Thanks for your response, Xeno. All I can say is that I was pretty clear on this... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" wrote: > I do believe Maharishi talked about this, but it seems to be > buried in off-hand comments he has made. It is not directly > spoken of, an

[FairfieldLife] Re: Non-meditation

2012-02-14 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" > wrote: > >> The reason for meditating using any system is to get >> beyond conceptual thought and experience not only the >> context of thought but the relationship o

[FairfieldLife] Re: Non-meditation

2012-02-14 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote: > > > > > However, I recently stumbled upon an example of secular > > > intransigence that may give readers a sense of h

[FairfieldLife] Re: Non-meditation

2012-02-14 Thread Buck
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote: > > > However, I recently stumbled upon an example of secular > > intransigence that may give readers a sense of how spiritual > > people feel when their methods as technologies ar

[FairfieldLife] Re: Non-meditation

2012-02-14 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > > > > Buck, > > > > > > The Red Chinese are more likely non-meditators. Yet in material terms,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Non-meditation

2012-02-14 Thread John
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > > Buck, > > > > The Red Chinese are more likely non-meditators. Yet in material terms, > > they appear to be properous than most countries in Southeast Asia. They'v

[FairfieldLife] Re: Non-meditation

2012-02-14 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > Buck, > > The Red Chinese are more likely non-meditators. Yet in material terms, they > appear to be properous than most countries in Southeast Asia. They've bought > about one trillion dollars in US government bonds. Are you saying t

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Non-meditation

2012-02-14 Thread Bhairitu
On 02/13/2012 11:06 PM, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: >> On 02/13/2012 06:11 PM, Buck wrote: >>> Non-meditation >>> >>> It seems to me that many non-meditators have forgotten—or never knew—what >>> it is like to suffer an unhappy collision with sci

[FairfieldLife] Re: Non-meditation

2012-02-14 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" wrote: > The reason for meditating using any system is to get > beyond conceptual thought and experience not only the > context of thought but the relationship of thought with > what it represents, which typically is rather tenuous

[FairfieldLife] Re: Non-meditation

2012-02-14 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote: > However, I recently stumbled upon an example of secular > intransigence that may give readers a sense of how spiritual > people feel when their methods as technologies are criticized. > As you will see but for the rigorous research conducted

[FairfieldLife] Re: Non-meditation

2012-02-14 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > On Feb 13, 2012, at 9:11 PM, Buck wrote: > >> However, I recently stumbled upon an example of secular >> intransigence that may give readers a sense of how spiritual people >> feel when their methods as technologies are criticized. As you will >

[FairfieldLife] Re: Non-meditation

2012-02-14 Thread Richard J. Williams
Buck: > Certainly a human life is a terrible > potential to waste in non-meditation. > Or, I guess it all depends on how you can define 'meditation'. According to MMY, meditation is based on thinking. Meditation means simply 'to think things over'. If so, then everyone meditates. There'

[FairfieldLife] Re: Non-meditation

2012-02-13 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: > > On 02/13/2012 06:11 PM, Buck wrote: > > Non-meditation > > > > It seems to me that many non-meditators have forgotten—or never knew—what > > it is like to suffer an unhappy collision with scientific rationality. We > > are open to good

[FairfieldLife] Re: Non-meditation

2012-02-13 Thread azgrey
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, azgrey wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote: > > > > > > Non-meditation > > > > It seems to me that many non-meditators have forgotten—or never knew—what > > it is like to suffer an unhappy collision with scientific rationa

[FairfieldLife] Re: Non-meditation

2012-02-13 Thread azgrey
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote: > > > Non-meditation > > It seems to me that many non-meditators have forgotten—or never knew—what it > is like to suffer an unhappy collision with scientific rationality. We are > open to good evidence and sound argument as a matter of pri

[FairfieldLife] Re: Non-meditation

2012-02-13 Thread Yifu
There aren't enough active meditators on the planet to make any such conclusions via cause and effect. There's no evidence for the ME. ... How ya comin' on the list of Sins? . What if somebody ordered some Chinese food at the Olive Garden? Is that a sin and would the punishment be 10 slashes with

[FairfieldLife] Re: Non-meditation

2012-02-13 Thread John
Buck, The Red Chinese are more likely non-meditators. Yet in material terms, they appear to be properous than most countries in Southeast Asia. They've bought about one trillion dollars in US government bonds. Are you saying they are delusional? JR --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "