[FairfieldLife] Re: Self-Actualization vs (Self) Enlightenment

2007-12-23 Thread Marek Reavis
New.Morning, great topic. If realization of self is independent of any necessary and sufficient status of the body or mind then actualization would not necessarily reference anything of realization. However, it seems highly unlikely (at least to me) that a truly actualized individual

[FairfieldLife] Re: Self-Actualization vs (Self) Enlightenment

2007-12-23 Thread new . morning
Marek, Good points. The freedom from ownership (of thoughts, actions, attainments, achievements, talents, (gf attainemnts?) ), seems to be a natural lubricant for the smooth(er) functioning and transition to fuller actualization. I am not sure the reverse is true. While I can hear some

[FairfieldLife] Re: Self-Actualization vs (Self) Enlightenment

2007-12-23 Thread Marek Reavis
New.M., you've expressed my thoughts far better that I could, thanks. Just some random thoughts generated by your comments: It seems like non- ownership, being a pure realization of what's already the truth, would change nothing at all in the expression of mind, body and behavior. There is

[FairfieldLife] Re: Self-Actualization vs (Self) Enlightenment

2007-12-23 Thread Larry
Interesting question, At first thought, Self Actualization and Enlightenment (Eastern) appear to be at odds - - Self Actualization being about perpetuating and securing the identity and hierarchy of the (small) self and its role in the world . . . and Enlightenment as realization of the (small)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Self-Actualization vs (Self) Enlightenment

2007-12-23 Thread new . morning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Larry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Larry, thanks for the response, I see it differently. That may be due to each of using the terms differently. For example, Actualization, IMV, has nothing to do with perpetuating and securing the identity and hierarchy of the