--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifux...@... wrote:
Vaj: again, your're conflating transcending with stopping thinking. The two
enterprises don't equate, since (obviously); with further infusion of Being
into the nature of the nervous system for extended periods of time,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote:
If you ever get to my place, maybe we can
just sit together for a few minutes and
watch the moon climb over the mountain.
The mercurial WillyTex nails it! (IMHO).
On Aug 14, 2010, at 4:47 AM, PaliGap wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote:
If you ever get to my place, maybe we can
just sit together for a few minutes and
watch the moon climb over the mountain.
The mercurial WillyTex nails it! (IMHO).
BUT~~the
In reality, there is no thought, no flow of
thought, no not flow of thought; thoughts
and things do not go anywhere, and they
don't move. If you observe your own thoughts
by just being aware, you will find that they
are insubstantial, like a mirage, an
illusion, horns on a hare.
Trika a la Lakshman Joo describes the Shiva Sutras as a
threefold system of awakening...
In fact, TM is very similar to the Tantra practices of
Laksmanjoo. According John Huges, the Laksmanjoo used to
practice TM everyday. That's why MMY was drawn to sit
with the Swami Laksmanjoo - they
Thanks for the tips, Vaj, but I can hardly manage
just plain old meditation, twenty minutes, twice a
day, and read a few books...
Vaj:
Please just remember to think the mantra no different
than any other thought...
Thanks again. You're so much more advanced than most of
us, Vaj.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote:
Trika a la Lakshman Joo describes the Shiva Sutras as a
threefold system of awakening...
In fact, TM is very similar to the Tantra practices of
Laksmanjoo. According John Huges, the Laksmanjoo used to
practice TM
Trika a la Lakshman Joo describes the Shiva Sutras
as a threefold system of awakening...
In fact, TM is very similar to the Tantra practices of
Laksmanjoo. According John Huges, the Laksmanjoo used
to practice TM everyday. That's why MMY was drawn to
sit with the Swami
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On Aug 14, 2010, at 4:04 PM, Rick Archer wrote:
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:
On Aug 14, 2010, at 6:01 PM, Rick Archer wrote:
Wasn't it you who stated Lakshman Joo liked to hold the
penis of one of his students?
I don't recall ever hearing that.
It was presumably one of the forms of shaktipat
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On Aug 14, 2010, at 6:01 PM, Rick
emptybill:
At first the two descriptions between M. and
Yogavasishta seem comparable because they both
start with waking, dream, deep sleep and turiya
(the fourth)...
The 'Yogavasishta' is a synthesis of Upanishadic
Advaita, Buddhist Vijnanavada and the Trika
philosophy of Kashmir
As we know, we won't find it among neo-advaitins. I don't think that
a practicing yoga-advaitin (i.e. someone who might be similar to what
Vidyaranya describes) will be found shlumping around the local gas pump.
This is a particular path - one not likely to be manifest by a goyboy,
even if he
Tex.
wiki! wiki!
If you were actually familiar with what you attempt to talk about you
would be dangerous.
Chittamatra/Vijñanavada are Mahayana schools (sutras-based) from
Asanga and Vasubandhu. Vajrayana is based on many different tantra-s.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex
emptybill:
I am even more convinced that M. got a lot of
his exposition from Sri Laksmanjoo...
That's because the tradition of Guru Dev, the Sri
Vidya, is a restatement of the Kashmere Shivaism,
which was imported from Kashmere to Karnataka by
the Adi Shankaracharya. Sri Vidya is a variant
The 'Yogavasishta' is a synthesis of Upanishadic
Advaita, Buddhist Vijnanavada and the Trika
philosophy of Kashmir Shivaism. Almost all of these
ideas about consciousnes, states of consciousness
and yoga praxis are derived from the 'Consciousness
Only school of Vajrayana Buddhism...
On Aug 13, 2010, at 1:14 PM, emptybill wrote:
As we know, we won't find it among neo-advaitins. I don't think that
a practicing yoga-advaitin (i.e. someone who might be similar to what
Vidyaranya describes) will be found shlumping around the local gas pump.
This is a particular path
This doesn't make sense: ...the ending stages are meditation with eyes open.
Only outermost practices will use props like mantra meditation, but all
involved shaktipat of some sort.
...
The way you're saying it, people are supposed to suck it all in as the truth
rather than an alternative, a
On Aug 13, 2010, at 4:53 PM, yifuxero wrote:
This doesn't make sense: ...the ending stages are meditation with eyes open.
Only outermost practices will use props like mantra meditation, but all
involved shaktipat of some sort.
...
The way you're saying it, people are supposed to suck it
Vaj:
Having said that, in Lakshman Joo's
practice system, like certain
annuttara-tantras (e.g. the Kalachakra)
and Dzogchen, the ending stages are
meditation with eyes open...
Whether your eyes are closed, open, or
half open does not matter. All that matters
is that the individual is
On Aug 13, 2010, at 5:51 PM, WillyTex wrote:
Vaj:
Having said that, in Lakshman Joo's
practice system, like certain
annuttara-tantras (e.g. the Kalachakra)
and Dzogchen, the ending stages are
meditation with eyes open...
Whether your eyes are closed, open, or
half open does
Richard - you're sounding like a Neo-Advaitin batgapper.
First, Enlightenment could be a realization beyond what MMY attained. Who
knows? Simply sitting in silence ain't going to get one to Ramana Maharshi's
or Lakshmanjoo's level of Realization. If such a simple sitting down method
as you
Vajyou're implying that TM is second rate since people are stopping
thought? Nope. That's not what's occurring. They are TRANSCENDING, in all
probability, but (again, this is statistical) ...in all probability far short
of the state of true Samadhi as reported by Ramakrishna.
In other
On Aug 13, 2010, at 6:15 PM, yifuxero wrote:
Vajyou're implying that TM is second rate since people are stopping
thought? Nope. That's not what's occurring. They are TRANSCENDING, in all
probability, but (again, this is statistical) ...in all probability far
short of the state of
Whether your eyes are closed, open, or
half open does not matter. All that matters
is that the individual is able to transcend
and has been checked by someone who can
verify the transcending.
Vaj:
It turns out Willy, just stopping thinking
or transcending isn't ultimately
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifux...@... wrote:
This doesn't make sense: ...the ending stages are meditation with eyes open.
Only outermost practices will use props like mantra meditation, but all
involved shaktipat of some sort.
Don't worry about what vaj writes. He's
Vaj, why don't you just keep with an interesting discussion and give up
the cheap shots. We've heard it all before anyway.
Yifu
As far as Anuttara yogas, there are too many different values and subtle
aspects to try and generalize too much.
Anuttara yogas use a lot of visualization, not just
On Aug 13, 2010, at 7:25 PM, WillyTex wrote:
Whether your eyes are closed, open, or
half open does not matter. All that matters
is that the individual is able to transcend
and has been checked by someone who can
verify the transcending.
Vaj:
It turns out Willy, just stopping
Vaj: again, your're conflating transcending with stopping thinking. The two
enterprises don't equate, since (obviously); with further infusion of Being
into the nature of the nervous system for extended periods of time, thinking
obviously occurs - except that there's no core I as a thinker
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote:
You use a boat to cross over to the other
shore. When you get there, you'll find that
there is no other shore. That being so, you
would be a really foolish person to be seen
walking around with a boat on top of your
Such analogies don't prove anything, and shed little Light on reality.
Similarly, we could say that when Columbus rediscovered the New World (first
European since the Vikings); he didn't just stay on the shore. But if he did,
his successors ventured inland to explore completely new
Ramakrishna doesn't count for much as an example for anyone.
As a naturally ecstatic bhakta, he already was immersed in savikalpa
samadhi during much of his waking state. Later on, he did a Tantric form
of kundalini yoga that allowed him to call the ascent upward.
That easily happened for him
Thanks. Thats helpful.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptyb...@... wrote:
Tart
To repeat further:
At first the two descriptions between M. and Yogavasishta seem
comparable because they both start with waking, dream, deep sleep and
turiya (the fourth). However, since
Yes, thanks, well done. But I can't find anybody with direct experience in
such things who is willing to talk about it. Maybe Laksmanjoo but he's dead.
..
Ramana Maharshi's problem is (was) that he apparently zipped through all of the
stages in a near death experience lasting only minutes,
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