[FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation

2008-12-03 Thread Stu
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, James F. Newell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stu, But if you are a responsible scientist, then you do have a responsibility to try to disconfirm the theory with specifid data and logic. That is the way science is supposed to work. One person gives his

[FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation

2008-12-03 Thread Nelson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Stu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, James F. Newell jfnewell7@ wrote: Stu, But if you are a responsible scientist, then you do have a responsibility to try to disconfirm the theory with specifid data and logic.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation

2008-12-02 Thread James F. Newell
Science is all about trying to prove the negative. That is what the crucial experiment is all about. But you may not know very much about science. SCIENTIFIC AMERICAN is a fairly low level publication. You might start with my data: That we perceive images. Do you have any reason to claim that we

[FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation

2008-12-02 Thread Richard M
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, James F. Newell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Science is all about trying to prove the negative. That is what the crucial experiment is all about. But you may not know very much about science. SCIENTIFIC AMERICAN is a fairly low level publication. You might

[FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation

2008-12-02 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Stu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Stu buttsplicer@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation

2008-12-02 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Stu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, James F. Newell jfnewell7@ wrote: The conversation is too massive for me to have time to reply to everyone, but I think I will step in here. That is a good point about what might

[FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation

2008-12-02 Thread Richard J. Williams
Curtis wrote: This is such an excellent thread, I hope you guys continue it. Yeah, me too, it's just your basic Fwap: Rama claimed that he was the ninth reincarnation of the Hindu God Vishnu; in 1531-1575, a Zen Master, from Japan; 1602-1771, Head of Zen Order, Japan; 1725-1804, Master

[FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation

2008-12-01 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Stu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip As usual Judy your argument leads to meta- communication. Far from the original topic, a post-modern jumble of questioned syntax and illusive trops. Oh,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation

2008-12-01 Thread Sal Sunshine
On Nov 30, 2008, at 11:53 PM, Stu wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Stu buttsplicer@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip As usual Judy your argument leads to

[FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation

2008-12-01 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 30, 2008, at 11:53 PM, Stu wrote: snip There is not enough time in the day for this Now, Stu, it's obvious you're just copping out because Judy's arguments are so darn irrefutable, just like the ones about

[FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation

2008-12-01 Thread James F. Newell
The conversation is too massive for me to have time to reply to everyone, but I think I will step in here. That is a good point about what might be pre-wired in. In fact, evolution works very slowly, so the pre-wiring would have had to occur over the past couple of million years. It is hard to see

[FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation

2008-12-01 Thread James F. Newell
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Stu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The argument was not about your beliefs or disbeliefs. The discussion was about the motivations that would lead one to accept the doctrine of reincarnation. Jim::: Motivations are something to double check to make sure one

[FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation

2008-12-01 Thread Stu
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Stu buttsplicer@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip snip There is not enough time in the day for this. You dragged me into this,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation

2008-12-01 Thread Stu
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, James F. Newell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The conversation is too massive for me to have time to reply to everyone, but I think I will step in here. That is a good point about what might be pre-wired in. In fact, evolution works very slowly, so the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation

2008-12-01 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Stu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Stu buttsplicer@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip snip There is

[FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation

2008-12-01 Thread Stu
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Stu buttsplicer@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Stu buttsplicer@ wrote: --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation

2008-12-01 Thread James F. Newell
Stu, But if you are a responsible scientist, then you do have a responsibility to try to disconfirm the theory with specifid data and logic. That is the way science is supposed to work. One person gives his theory, with specific data and logic, not opinion, and then other people try to disconfirm

[FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation

2008-12-01 Thread Stu
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, James F. Newell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stu, But if you are a responsible scientist, then you do have a responsibility to try to disconfirm the theory with specifid data and logic. I don't consider myself a scientist or a materialist. I do know there

[FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation

2008-12-01 Thread curtisdeltablues
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, James F. Newell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stu, But if you are a responsible scientist, then you do have a responsibility to try to disconfirm the theory with specifid data and logic. That is the way science is supposed to work. One person gives his

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation

2008-12-01 Thread Vaj
On Dec 1, 2008, at 7:20 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, James F. Newell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stu, But if you are a responsible scientist, then you do have a responsibility to try to disconfirm the theory with specifid data and logic. That is the way

[FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation

2008-12-01 Thread curtisdeltablues
But that's not meant to validate the projectors of thought constructs and the mediums of mind, the channelers of think, the radios of discursive babble. They are what, if you are honest with yourself, you really already know. They are what they what really appear to be: bad

[FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation

2008-12-01 Thread enlightened_dawn11
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Stu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, James F. Newell jfnewell7@ wrote: Stu, But if you are a responsible scientist, then you do have a responsibility to try to disconfirm the theory with specifid data and logic.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation

2008-12-01 Thread enlightened_dawn11
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -snip- It's the same with reincarnation. If you've rebooted creation so many times, you just know. You also grok the fractal interpenetration of these same patterns upon layer and layer of living, of death and

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation

2008-12-01 Thread Vaj
On Dec 1, 2008, at 8:18 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: But that's not meant to validate the projectors of thought constructs and the mediums of mind, the channelers of think, the radios of discursive babble. They are what, if you are honest with yourself, you really already know. They are

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation

2008-12-01 Thread Vaj
On Dec 1, 2008, at 8:41 PM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote: the fact that the question about reincarnation remains, invalidates what the yogi may or may not know. you may be convinced, and have a great story to convince others of the validity of the yogi. but all that does is leave each of us with

[FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation

2008-12-01 Thread enlightened_dawn11
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 1, 2008, at 8:41 PM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote: the fact that the question about reincarnation remains, invalidates what the yogi may or may not know. you may be convinced, and have a great story to convince

[FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation

2008-12-01 Thread Nelson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Dec 1, 2008, at 8:41 PM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote: the fact that the question about reincarnation remains, invalidates what the yogi

[FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation

2008-12-01 Thread enlightened_dawn11
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Dec 1, 2008, at 8:41 PM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote: the fact that

[FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation

2008-12-01 Thread Stu
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Stu buttsplicer@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, James F. Newell jfnewell7@ wrote: snip recognition of this finite life seems to drive two ways of

[FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation

2008-12-01 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip My gut feeling on this is people who make specious claims of contacting the unified field or pure consciousness or the clear light are just by and large bullshitters. What a surprise! (If their claims are specious, BTW,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation

2008-11-30 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Stu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2001@ wrote: ++ This doesn't play well with the people who recall past lives and, others to whom it has become obvious. Give it some time and keep looking and,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation

2008-11-30 Thread Jason
for millions of years, they lose sight as it has no need for it. --- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation Date: Saturday, November 29, 2008, 1:19 PM   Three things occur to me (BTW, I lean toward the idea of reincarnation) . First, humans

[FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation

2008-11-30 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Stu buttsplicer@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2001@ wrote: ++ This doesn't play well with the people who recall past lives and,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation

2008-11-30 Thread Nelson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Stu buttsplicer@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2001@ wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation

2008-11-30 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Stu buttsplicer@ wrote: --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation

2008-11-30 Thread enlightened_dawn11
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, James F. Newell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_reply@ wrote:Jim, i understand your assumption here as proof of consciousness, in other words, consciousness as something that is needed to

[FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation

2008-11-30 Thread enlightened_dawn11
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Stu buttsplicer@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2001@ wrote: ++ This doesn't play well with the people who recall past lives and,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation

2008-11-30 Thread curtisdeltablues
it is a similar problem for us humans when someone is said to be enlightened-- there is no verifiable proof, like their left thumb having turned blue, or something. same with reincarnation. no way to ever prove it. so those who insist they are a product of reincarnation are as

[FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation

2008-11-30 Thread James F. Newell
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First, humans are far from the only animal that decodes nerve impulses into images. If you're going to use the fact that humans do so as an argument for reincarnation, you have to include all animals that do so as

[FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation

2008-11-30 Thread James F. Newell
. So are the Organisms that live in sealed underground caves for millions of years, they lose sight as it has no need for it. --- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation Date: Saturday, November 29, 2008, 1:19 PM Three things occur to me

[FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation

2008-11-30 Thread Nelson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, James F. Newell jfnewell7@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_reply@ wrote:Jim, i understand your assumption here as proof of

[FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation

2008-11-30 Thread James F. Newell
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Stu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Our ability to discern sensory data is hardwired. Looking at the evolution of vision it is clear that sentient being at first could only discern slight light and shadow. As the process evolved the visual system becomes

[FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation

2008-11-30 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, James F. Newell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: First, humans are far from the only animal that decodes nerve impulses into images. If you're going to use the fact that humans do so as an

[FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation

2008-11-30 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Everyone has different circumstance, age,experience, etc. and see things differently and as a thought for Judy, instead of pointing out someone was a dunce, wouldn't it have more impact if they discover it on their

[FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation

2008-11-30 Thread James F. Newell
According to Einstein, time acts mathematically like a spatial dimension, so if one rotates a graph of all of them, they will project shrinking and growing distances in a mathematically connected way. Of course, time seems a little different from a spatial dimension, even though it acts like a

[FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation

2008-11-30 Thread Nelson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it is a similar problem for us humans when someone is said to be enlightened-- there is no verifiable proof, like their left thumb having turned blue, or something. same with reincarnation. no way to ever

[FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation

2008-11-30 Thread James F. Newell
To also keep the record straight, diversity is a wonderful research tool. For example, there is a Dutch school of mathematics that only accepts mathematical deduction, and unlike other schools of mathematics, rejects the use of mathematical induction. By limiting their focus, they discover things

[FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation

2008-11-30 Thread curtisdeltablues
++ On being concerned with the past-it would probably be well to live in the present as they say. In school,we generally do one grade at a time and move on. Too much concern for the past would be a distraction it seems. You are mixing up fields of knowledge. Living in the present is a

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation

2008-11-30 Thread Peter
Here's a question for you; what reincarnates? --- On Sun, 11/30/08, James F. Newell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: James F. Newell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 1:44 PM

[FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation

2008-11-30 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's a question for you; what reincarnates? I do. As long as there exists something that can identify with the concept of I, there is something that exists that can identify with the concept of it reincarnating. If one

[FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation

2008-11-30 Thread do.rflex
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's a question for you; what reincarnates? The jiva is what reincarnates. From Wikipedia: Jiva In Hinduism and Jainism, a jiva is a living being[1], or more specifically the immortal essence of a living being (human,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation

2008-11-30 Thread James F. Newell
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Stu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Those are radical and bizarre motives to subscribe to the scientific community. Jim::: No they aren't. I am not ascribing them because I have actually heard scientists say that. Nor is it really bizarre. People were burned at

[FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation

2008-11-30 Thread Stu
First of all, let me apologize for the rib about believing in Reincarnation. I was only trying to point out the article that stated in an experiment that people who believe in reincarnation have a 94% failure rate in source monitoring tests. You may be one of the 6% who have excellent source

[FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation

2008-11-30 Thread Stu
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Stu buttsplicer@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2001@ wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation

2008-11-30 Thread Stu
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: Here's a question for you; what reincarnates? The jiva is what reincarnates. Precisely. What is tantamount to saying nothing reincarnates. Do

[FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation

2008-11-30 Thread raunchydog
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, James F. Newell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is exactly what is needed for both perceiving an image and for Quantum Entanglement. If each point in the image, or each nerve impulse, is encoded into a point in a point cluster, then the information of

[FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation

2008-11-30 Thread sparaig
Top posting. No comments at bottom: Both Jews AND Christians expoused a belief in reincarnation at some point. Some Jews still do. L --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Stu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation

2008-11-30 Thread do.rflex
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Stu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: Here's a question for you; what reincarnates? The jiva is what reincarnates.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation

2008-11-30 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Stu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Wouldn't Jesus have preached about our inevitable movement into the next life if the reincarnation story is so absolutely correct? Did I say anywhere that the reincarnation story is so absolutely correct, or did you

[FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation

2008-11-30 Thread enlightened_dawn11
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it is a similar problem for us humans when someone is said to be enlightened-- there is no verifiable proof, like their left thumb having turned blue, or something. same with reincarnation. no way to

[FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation

2008-11-30 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's a question for you; what reincarnates? The Reincarnator reincarnates. OffWorld

[FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation

2008-11-30 Thread Stu
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Stu buttsplicer@ wrote: snip Wouldn't Jesus have preached about our inevitable movement into the next life if the reincarnation story is so absolutely correct? Did I say

[FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation

2008-11-30 Thread Stu
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Top posting. No comments at bottom: Both Jews AND Christians expoused a belief in reincarnation at some point. Some Jews still do. L A very small percentage. In Catholicism the belief in reincarnation is

[FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation

2008-11-30 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Stu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Stu buttsplicer@ wrote: snip Wouldn't Jesus have preached about our inevitable movement into the next life if the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation

2008-11-30 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Stu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: Top posting. No comments at bottom: Both Jews AND Christians expoused a belief in reincarnation at some point. Some Jews still do. A very small

[FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation

2008-11-30 Thread Stu
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it is a similar problem for us humans when someone is said to be enlightened-- there is no verifiable proof, like their left thumb having turned blue, or something. same with reincarnation. no way to ever

[FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation

2008-11-30 Thread Stu
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, James F. Newell jfnewell7@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 snip Where could the infant have had the time to learn such an advanced

[FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation

2008-11-30 Thread enlightened_dawn11
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Stu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, James F. Newell jfnewell7@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 snip

[FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation

2008-11-30 Thread Nelson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ++ On being concerned with the past-it would probably be well to live in the present as they say. In school,we generally do one grade at a time and move on. Too much concern for the past would be a

[FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation

2008-11-30 Thread Stu
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Stu buttsplicer@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: Top posting. No comments at bottom: Both Jews AND Christians expoused a belief

[FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation

2008-11-30 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Stu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: Top posting. No comments at bottom: Both Jews AND Christians expoused a belief in reincarnation at some point. Some Jews still do. L A

[FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation

2008-11-30 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Stu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Stu buttsplicer@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: Top posting. No

[FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation

2008-11-30 Thread Stu
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Stu buttsplicer@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Stu buttsplicer@ wrote: --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation

2008-11-30 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Stu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Stu buttsplicer@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation

2008-11-30 Thread Stu
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Stu buttsplicer@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Stu buttsplicer@ wrote: --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation

2008-11-30 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Stu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip The real question here is why you can't seem to grasp that I'm not espousing any particular afterlife model (there are many more than two, BTW), or

[FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation

2008-11-30 Thread Stu
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Stu buttsplicer@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip As usual Judy your argument leads to meta-communication. Far from the original topic,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation

2008-11-29 Thread James F. Newell
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Stu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote There is no solid proof of reincarnation. However there are very observable brain functions that indicate a hard wired proclivit towards a belief in life after death. Jim::: Of course the brain is an information processor.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation

2008-11-29 Thread curtisdeltablues
This is such an excellent thread, I hope you guys continue it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, James F. Newell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Stu buttsplicer@ wrote There is no solid proof of reincarnation. However there are very observable brain

[FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation

2008-11-29 Thread enlightened_dawn11
Jim, i understand your assumption here as proof of consciousness, in other words, consciousness as something that is needed to subjectively correlate all of the pixelated data that the brain processes. i am ok with what you have said as being a plausible proof of consciousness. however, why

[FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation

2008-11-29 Thread James F. Newell
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Jim, i understand your assumption here as proof of consciousness, in other words, consciousness as something that is needed to subjectively correlate all of the pixelated data that the brain processes. i am ok

[FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation

2008-11-29 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, James F. Newell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Jim:::I am thinking in terms of how long it takes to learn something new. For example, it takes a considerable amount of time to learn another language, or the field of mathematics. Now decoding nerve

[FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation

2008-11-29 Thread Stu
Per Curtis Delta Blues I will continue. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, James F. Newell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Stu buttsplicer@ wrote There is no solid proof of reincarnation. However there are very observable brain functions that indicate a

[FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation

2008-11-29 Thread Stu
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, James F. Newell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_reply@ wrote:Jim, i understand your assumption here as proof of consciousness, in other words, consciousness as something that is needed to

[FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation

2008-11-29 Thread Nelson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Stu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, James F. Newell jfnewell7@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_reply@ wrote:Jim, i understand your assumption here as proof of consciousness, in

[FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation

2008-11-29 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, James F. Newell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Subjective images are not at all like the patterns of nerve impulses that the brain uses as its computer-like codes for the images. Nerve impulses don't have colors, for example, and the shapes of the patterns in

[FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation

2008-11-29 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, James F. Newell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Subjective images are not at all like the patterns of nerve impulses that the brain uses as its computer-like codes for the images. Nerve impulses don't have colors, for example, and the shapes of the patterns in

[FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation

2008-11-29 Thread Stu
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ++ This doesn't play well with the people who recall past lives and, others to whom it has become obvious. Give it some time and keep looking and, being a wise individual, it will become obvious to you. N. I had a

[FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation

2008-11-29 Thread curtisdeltablues
Thanks for keeping up the good work Stu. Your posts make me feel sane. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Stu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2001@ wrote: ++ This doesn't play well with the people who recall past lives and, others

[FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation

2008-11-29 Thread shanti18411
I had a Mormon tell me the same thing on a long road trip after he told me all about how my personality will live forever in heaven reunited with my family. People who recall past lives have predictable results to source monitoring tests.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation

2008-11-29 Thread Stu
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shanti18411 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems to me that the subject of reincarnation cannot be separated from what you think is true about the nature of time and the personal self.As far as what we call time is concerned the separation between

[FairfieldLife] Re: Solid Proof of Reincarnation

2008-11-28 Thread Stu
There is no solid proof of reincarnation. However there are very observable brain functions that indicate a hard wired proclivity towards a belief in life after death. You may be very interested in the October edition of Scientific American Mind, an article called, The End Why so many of us