[FairfieldLife] Re: Thought police.

2008-05-25 Thread Richard J. Williams
new wrote: But I know a whole shitload (in a full sense of the word) of things that I have found that are not IT. It depends on what 'IT' is. What is 'IT'?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Thought police.

2008-05-24 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willytex@ wrote: satvadude wrote: I would enjoy hearing your thoughts on the matter Richard. Any reaction to the story? It all depends on the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Thought police.

2008-05-24 Thread new . morning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes103@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willytex@ wrote: satvadude wrote: I would enjoy hearing your thoughts

[FairfieldLife] Re: Thought police.

2008-05-22 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Yesterday I mentioned the BBC 1980 Brave New World which can be found on Google (both US and UK):

[FairfieldLife] Re: Thought police.

2008-05-22 Thread Hugo
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes103@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Yesterday I mentioned the BBC 1980 Brave New World which can be found on

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Thought police.

2008-05-22 Thread Bhairitu
Hugo wrote: No Oscars then ;-) I had a skim through and it looked like a very literal interpretation, and somewhat overcooking the deadness of the people of the new world, or maybe that's just bad acting. There was also a 1998 version with Leonard Nimoy which occasionally plays on TV:

[FairfieldLife] Re: Thought police.

2008-05-22 Thread satvadude108
Thank you and I hope your injuries are speedily healing. The recent events in UK legal history regarding anti-terrorist legislation does interest me. While I don't follow it closely, as time and sources are in short supply, the larger picture has implications on this side of the pond. The

[FairfieldLife] Re: Thought police.

2008-05-22 Thread Hugo
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, satvadude108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you and I hope your injuries are speedily healing. The recent events in UK legal history regarding anti-terrorist legislation does interest me. While I don't follow it closely, as time and sources are in

[FairfieldLife] Re: Thought police.

2008-05-21 Thread Hugo
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I pretty much agree with what Hugo said here. The Scientologists are an interesting study in the dynamics of and the evolution of cults. On the one hand, they are majorly persecuted and looked down upon. In some

[FairfieldLife] Re: Thought police.

2008-05-21 Thread Richard J. Williams
satvadude wrote: I would enjoy hearing your thoughts on the matter Richard. Any reaction to the story? It all depends on the definition of 'cult'. The term 'cult' is just another term for 'sect'. There are at least eight dictionary definitions of the term 'cult'. Apparently, the United

[FairfieldLife] Re: Thought police.

2008-05-21 Thread Richard J. Williams
TurquoiseB wrote: My feeling is that they should just suck it up and admit to being a cult, and find a way to be proud of it. Trying to suppress others who call them a cult only makes them more of a cult. So, exactly, what is a 'cult'?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Thought police.

2008-05-21 Thread curtisdeltablues
However, it should be pointed out that the idea of 'brainwashing' or 'mind control, vis a vis, 'cults' has almost been totally discredited. By whom? Want a nice example? The child solders of Africa. It is not completely understood like much of modern understanding of the mind. But

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Thought police.

2008-05-21 Thread Peter
--- curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, it should be pointed out that the idea of 'brainwashing' or 'mind control, vis a vis, 'cults' has almost been totally discredited. By whom? Want a nice example? The child solders of Africa. It is not completely understood

[FairfieldLife] Re: Thought police.

2008-05-21 Thread curtisdeltablues
In Lifton's model, as I understand it, there is a continuum of influence. He mentions 8 principles and most social institutions use a few. It is when you get all 8 cylinders cranking that we can see some huge shifts of beliefs in a person. A child who is made to believe that it is his duty to

[FairfieldLife] Re: Thought police.

2008-05-21 Thread Hugo
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: satvadude wrote: I would enjoy hearing your thoughts on the matter Richard. Any reaction to the story? It all depends on the definition of 'cult'. The term 'cult' is just another term for 'sect'.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Thought police.

2008-05-21 Thread Bhairitu
Hugo wrote: Manchurian candidate styule brain-washing yes, but general group conformity can make a True Believer out of most. People like to fit in and they sooner they pick up the lingo the better. I heard many people say they cringed at using terms like Nature Support when they first moved

[FairfieldLife] Re: Thought police.

2008-05-21 Thread Richard J. Williams
However, it should be pointed out that the idea of 'brainwashing' or 'mind control, vis a vis, 'cults' has almost been totally discredited. Richard Hughes wrote: ...general group conformity can make a True Believer out of most. If that was the case, we could use 'group

[FairfieldLife] Re: Thought police.

2008-05-21 Thread Hugo
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, it should be pointed out that the idea of 'brainwashing' or 'mind control, vis a vis, 'cults' has almost been totally discredited. Richard Hughes wrote: ...general group conformity

[FairfieldLife] Re: Thought police.

2008-05-21 Thread Hugo
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hugo wrote: Manchurian candidate styule brain-washing yes, but general group conformity can make a True Believer out of most. People like to fit in and they sooner they pick up the lingo the better. I heard many

[FairfieldLife] Re: Thought police.

2008-05-20 Thread satvadude108
I would enjoy hearing your thoughts on the matter Richard. Any reaction to the story? Strong feelings on the issues involved? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A teenager is facing prosecution for using the word cult to describe the Church of

[FairfieldLife] Re: Thought police.

2008-05-20 Thread Hugo
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, satvadude108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would enjoy hearing your thoughts on the matter Richard. Any reaction to the story? Strong feelings on the issues involved? Sure Satvadude, I posted without thinking a bit of context might be nice. There is quite

[FairfieldLife] Re: Thought police.

2008-05-20 Thread TurquoiseB
I pretty much agree with what Hugo said here. The Scientologists are an interesting study in the dynamics of and the evolution of cults. On the one hand, they are majorly persecuted and looked down upon. In some areas (especially Holly- wood), it is OK to say things about Scientologists that you