--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote:
There's an assumption being made here that isn't
necessarily correct: that the fact that the TMO
*does* not produce representatives of
enlightened TMers means that it *cannot* do so,
the corollary assumption being that it
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:
On Jan 14, 2009, at 11:28 PM, sparaig wrote:
Doesn't sound at all like the Shamatha Project, but instead a gift
from a friend in the early 70's. Whether it had anything to do with
his research at that time or not, I have
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
curtisdeltabl...@... wrote:
It underlines the point that enlightenment gives you wisdom.
The story I was referring to was when Trotaka revealed his
enlightenment to the others. Shankara was insisting that they
all wait for him
On Jan 14, 2009, at 11:28 PM, sparaig wrote:
Doesn't sound at all like the Shamatha Project, but instead a gift
from a friend in the early 70's. Whether it had anything to do with
his research at that time or not, I have no clue.
You seem to fail to understand my point:
I'll make it clear:
On Jan 14, 2009, at 8:00 PM, Patrick Gillam wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity wrote:
We have no idea as to whether TM
successfully produces enlightenment
or unity consciousness.
Rick says there are dozens of Fairfielders
claiming to be enlightened. Some post here.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:
Having only listened to the FF enlightened over the phone or via
email I thought it would be interesting if there was someone who
would infiltrate the Wednesday Night Satsang, a weekly gathering
of the enlightened you refer
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
curtisdeltabl...@... wrote:
I agree that King Tony is intelligent enough in a true believer sort
of way. I just don't believe that the highest state of human
development and Tony should be used in the same sentence.
I often find it
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:
200%
of life, not just 100%. So it's quite silly to argue that Trotaka
remained some dumbkoff
http://www.koff.net/index.html ;D
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
It underlines the point that enlightenment gives you wisdom.
The story I was referring to was when Trotaka revealed his
enlightenment
I often find it fascinating that someone declares someone to be or
not be enlightened.
When it comes from a hillbilly like curtis it goes beyond; it
becomes hilarious.
I was knocking a few back the other night with my main dog Maitreya
and your name came up Nabbie. He refers to you as the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:
Their conclusion? Some were able to be in the present, that is some
of them had gained some basic awareness. That's all. Otherwise they
were superficially compassionate but seemingly nice people, but
largely ego-bound.
Curtis wrote:
I'm reading his two volume biography.
This one? If so, it's really great, I read
them about a year ago. Guralnick really gets
to the source.
'Last Train to Memphis: The Rise of Elvis Presley'
by Peter Guralnick
Back Bay Books, 1995
http://tinyurl.com/9ynr39
'Careless Love: The
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
curtisdeltabl...@... wrote:
I often find it fascinating that someone declares someone to be or
not be enlightened.
When it comes from a hillbilly like curtis it goes beyond; it
becomes hilarious.
I was knocking a few back the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_re...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
what thype of rigorous
requirements would you suggest for studies done
on homeopathy?
I'm asking out of curiosity because a friend of
mine is
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal
l.shad...@... wrote:
Where are the numbers? In South America, if the initiations we
here of are true, and in India, based on what the TMO shows us
about TMO money at work in India. Now I remember 20 years or
more ago there were these
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_re...@... wrote:
all i am left with is suggesting you try TM for awhile, and draw
your own conclusions.
Fair enough. That is all anyone can do.
the so called conventional wisdom is often just conventional, and
not wisdom at
OK, finishing up on this reply...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
curtisdeltabl...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
snip
FWIW, I'm a skeptic on both the personal improvement
and objective measurement of enlightenment counts.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal
L.Shaddai@ wrote:
Where are the numbers? In South America, if the initiations we
here of are true, and in India, based on what the TMO shows us
about TMO money
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_reply@
wrote:
all i am left with is suggesting you try TM
for awhile, and draw your own conclusions.
Fair enough. That is all anyone can do.
the so
i have no argument with what Ruth says. she does draw some
conclusions based on her lack of experience with TM, just as Barry
does. i don't see anything like the same arrogance and nastiness
that i see in him, however. and she never trolls like he does.
as to your earlier post about Barry
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_reply@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
what thype of rigorous
requirements would you suggest for studies done
on
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@...
wrote:
OK, finishing up on this reply...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@
wrote:
snip
FWIW, I'm a skeptic on both the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal
L.Shaddai@ wrote:
Where are the numbers? In South America, if the initiations we
here of are true, and in India, based on what the TMO shows us
about TMO money
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11
no_re...@... wrote:
thanks for sharing this. the true state of enlightenment- quite a
mouthful. though i think we are talking apples and oranges. although
Hsuan Hua appears to be a very evolved person, and probably a nice
enough guy,
On Jan 14, 2009, at 1:02 PM, sparaig wrote:
Patterns of EEG coherence, power, and contingent negative
variation characterize the
integration of transcendental and waking states
There are others, but this is the one with the complete article
available online via
pub med.
As far as I
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:
On Jan 14, 2009, at 1:02 PM, sparaig wrote:
Patterns of EEG coherence, power, and contingent negative
variation characterize the
integration of transcendental and waking states
There are others, but this is the one
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_re...@... wrote:
We all have to make decisions in our life. Accept Jesus Christ
as your lord and savior? Keep kosher? Wear a burka? Go to a
scientolgy meeting? Do TM? Give away all your worldly goods to
the poor? Lots of
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote:
snip
Curtis:
That seems like a position I can relate to.
The question comes, where do you go for
information about enlightenment? If anyone
takes Maharishi as an expert they have to
ignore a lot of what he claimed
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:
On Jan 14, 2009, at 1:02 PM, sparaig wrote:
Patterns of EEG coherence, power, and contingent negative
variation characterize the
integration of transcendental and waking states
There are others, but this is the one
On Jan 14, 2009, at 2:35 PM, sparaig wrote:
As far as I am aware there is no standard neurological definition of
transcendental consciousness, so they made up their own definition.
It's self-defined--and therefore quite meaningless--beyond TB's and
people who buy the marketing spiel.
This is
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_reply@
wrote:
snip
MMY said: Right action came to be regarded as
a means to gain nirvana, whereas right action
is in fact the result of this state of
This has been an excellent thread, thanks to both of you.
**
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
curtisdeltabl...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
snip
Curtis:
That seems like a position I can relate to.
The question
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
curtisdeltabl...@... wrote:
I disagree. The movement is making public claims and among those is
that it is involved in science. Challenging claims for no evidence is
legitimate. People can interpret their internal experiences as
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:
On Jan 14, 2009, at 2:35 PM, sparaig wrote:
As far as I am aware there is no standard neurological definition of
transcendental consciousness, so they made up their own definition.
It's self-defined--and therefore quite
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
curtisdeltabl...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
snip
Curtis:
That seems like a position I can relate to.
The question comes, where do you go for
information about enlightenment?
On Jan 14, 2009, at 4:12 PM, sparaig wrote:
As far as I am aware there are no Buddhist meditation techniques that
sell and market their form of meditation using research, either
legitimate scientific research, pilot research or marketing research.
So, you think the only reason why the TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote:
snip
...this is my disagreement:
but *I* sure don't feel I have to ignore a
lot of what MMY claimed on that basis.
Seems to me it's apples and oranges.
Just
for one thing, I don't think listening to a
On Jan 14, 2009, at 6:41 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote:
Maybe we've heard different speeches; I've gotten
more than that. But in any case, I don't buy that
a person has to be intellectually brilliant to
claim enlightenment as far as what MMY taught is
concerned. Remember Trotaka?
That is an
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:
On Jan 14, 2009, at 4:12 PM, sparaig wrote:
As far as I am aware there are no Buddhist meditation techniques that
sell and market their form of meditation using research, either
legitimate scientific research, pilot
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity wrote:
We have no idea as to whether TM
successfully produces enlightenment
or unity consciousness.
Rick says there are dozens of Fairfielders
claiming to be enlightened. Some post here.
All either did TM for years, or still do.
On Jan 14, 2009, at 7:50 PM, sparaig wrote:
I'd agree they have a lot at stake, for example the Shamatha Project
scientists are not Buddhists at all. The reason they're willing to
risk their careers--and these include some famous scientists like
Elizabeth Blackburn--is numerous scientists have
--My Kriya Yoga teacher. Enlightened, probably. Others, maybe not.
http://www.sanskritclassics.com/aboutbaba.html
- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgil...@...
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity wrote:
We have no idea as to whether TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:
On Jan 14, 2009, at 7:50 PM, sparaig wrote:
I'd agree they have a lot at stake, for example the Shamatha Project
scientists are not Buddhists at all. The reason they're willing to
risk their careers--and these include some
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgil...@...
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity wrote:
We have no idea as to whether TM
successfully produces enlightenment
or unity consciousness.
Rick says there are dozens of Fairfielders
claiming to
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig lengli...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote:
On Jan 14, 2009, at 7:50 PM, sparaig wrote:
[...]
Who is in charge of the Shamatha Project, and who is doing research
on it?
The PI is Cliff Saron
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:
On Jan 14, 2009, at 6:41 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote:
Maybe we've heard different speeches; I've gotten
more than that. But in any case, I don't buy that
a person has to be intellectually brilliant to
claim enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote:
[...]
It doesn't really tell you anything other than
'we're claiming this is significant because
it's transcendental consciousness becasue we
say it is'.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
curtisdeltabl...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
snip
Maybe we've heard different speeches; I've gotten
more than that. But in any case, I don't buy that
a person has to be intellectually
...This does not detract from the recognition and
appreciation of those of more highly developed intellect
since it is they who are more capable of comprehending
and evaluating the philosophy and really enjoying the
creative application of the whole philosophy in
practical life. What is
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@...
wrote:
...This does not detract from the recognition and
appreciation of those of more highly developed intellect
since it is they who are more capable of comprehending
and evaluating the philosophy and really
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
curtisdeltabl...@... wrote:
...This does not detract from the recognition and
appreciation of those of more highly developed intellect
since it is they who are more capable of comprehending
and evaluating the philosophy and really
On Jan 14, 2009, at 8:40 PM, sparaig wrote:
The PI is Cliff Saron (who is Jewish). If you saw the movie on the
rediscovery of samadhi in humans, Monks, In the Lab LINK
he's the pudgy guy who talks about the late great neuroscientific
genius Francisco Varela, working with yogis and
On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 8:12 PM, curtisdeltablues
curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com wrote:
I agree that King Tony is intelligent enough in a true believer sort
of way. I just don't believe that the highest state of human
development and Tony should be used in the same sentence. If
enlightened
*Wisdom* is not the same as intellectual brilliance.
Wisdom is as much of the heart as of the mind. MMY
makes the distinction pretty clear in this piece.
I'll have to dig up my notes. He makes a point in this tape about the
perfection of the verses, their perfect meter being a sign of his
On Jan 14, 2009, at 8:53 PM, sparaig wrote:
Likewise:
http://tinyurl.com/88f2jk
The last member of the group was Dr. Clifford Saron, a pyychologist,
neuroscientist, suber tech, and personal friend. CLiff, whose
knowledge
of the brain and of Buddhism far exceeds mine, was invited to
On Jan 14, 2009, at 9:36 PM, I am the eternal wrote:
On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 8:12 PM, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com
wrote:
I agree that King Tony is intelligent enough in a true believer sort
of way. I just don't believe that the highest state of human
development and Tony
On Jan 14, 2009, at 8:42 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote:
Now on to the real King! Elvis was a bit before my time. I was all
wrapped up in the Brits. But I'm making up for lost time now, I'm
reading his two volume biography. It restore a piece of the link from
my blues guys to today. His
On Jan 14, 2009, at 8:42 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote:
I've definitely heard some wisdom from King Tony.
I wish he would do more speaking.
Hey different strokes for different folks. It would kind of suck for
practicers of Maharishi's programs to hate the new guy, so I'm glad
you dig him. My
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@...
wrote:
On Jan 14, 2009, at 8:42 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote:
I've definitely heard some wisdom from King Tony.
I wish he would do more speaking.
Hey different strokes for different folks. It would kind of suck for
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:
On Jan 14, 2009, at 8:40 PM, sparaig wrote:
The PI is Cliff Saron (who is Jewish). If you saw the movie on the
rediscovery of samadhi in humans, Monks, In the Lab LINK
he's the pudgy guy who talks about the late great
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:
On Jan 14, 2009, at 8:53 PM, sparaig wrote:
Likewise:
http://tinyurl.com/88f2jk
The last member of the group was Dr. Clifford Saron, a pyychologist,
neuroscientist, suber tech, and personal friend. CLiff, whose
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_re...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote:
Let's not forget the last study putsch: the TM is good for your
heart
marketing campaign. Luckily the BBC caught them on that one, as did
some
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_re...@... wrote:
You are assuming a conclusion that
simply can't be assumed. We have no idea as to whether TM
successfully produces enlightenment or unity consciousness. The
TMO does not say that out of X number of meditators, Y have
On Jan 12, 2009, at 9:42 PM, ruthsimplicity wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:
Let's not forget the last study putsch: the TM is good for your heart
marketing campaign. Luckily the BBC caught them on that one, as did
some physicians reviews. But it makes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_re...@...
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote:
No worries, the Buddhist's are too busy feeling spescial.
Maharishi would never ask anyone in Enlightenment to publiscise
his/her
state of
Requiring natural remedies to produce verifiable research is a bogus
excuse to demonize their use. The politics of allelopathic medicine
and the globalization Big Pharma push pills for profit and
alternative medicine cuts into their bottom line. Since herbs and
homeopathy, rely on history, case
On Jan 13, 2009, at 3:11 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
So I'm asking out of curiosity. I *understand* the
scientist's/medical doctor's skepticism of home-
opathy -- we are talking substances so diluted in
strength that no trace of them can be found in
the pills prescribed. And yet they work, and
you are entitled to your uninformed opinion, and your arrogant
attitude (TM apologists, etc.), and that is all it is.
the practice of TM, for anyone who stuck with it, turns out to be
everything the Maharishi said it was, and more. of course with your
limited practice of the technique (30
There's an assumption being made here that isn't
necessarily correct: that the fact that the TMO
*does* not produce representatives of
enlightened TMers means that it *cannot* do so,
the corollary assumption being that it cannot do
so because there aren't any.
There are various reasons why the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote:
This topic rocks and I can't wait for Ruth to weigh in.
Requiring natural remedies to produce verifiable research is a bogus
excuse to demonize their use.
I would prefer putting them in the I don't know category rather
Having been in Corporate Sales in Manhattan, I had friends both in Advertising
and
Pharmaceutical Sales. Sales is about making money - from idea to finished
product, it's about money. The buyer, should be about 'awareness'. Awareness,
hopefully,
creates responsibility in a drugged out
Thanks for pondering this, and for your reply if
you have one. I'm really not trying to challenge
you or put you on the spot, and I *agree* with
your assessment of the NIH Center for Complementary
and Alternative Medicine as it currently works. I'm
just asking because of my friend's
These assumptions and that conclusion may be
correct, but we don't *know* that for sure, and
we shouldn't pretend we do. Maybe there are ways
we could rule out the other possibilities, but
we can't do that if we don't acknowledge their
existence.
While I agree with what you have written, I
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11
no_re...@... wrote:
you are entitled to your uninformed opinion, and your arrogant
attitude (TM apologists, etc.), and that is all it is.
the practice of TM, for anyone who stuck with it, turns out to be
everything the Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
curtisdeltabl...@... wrote:
These assumptions and that conclusion may be
correct, but we don't *know* that for sure, and
we shouldn't pretend we do. Maybe there are ways
we could rule out the other possibilities, but
we can't do
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@...
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11
no_reply@ wrote:
you are entitled to your uninformed opinion, and your arrogant
attitude (TM apologists, etc.), and that is all it is.
the practice of
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote:
Snip
While I agree with what you have written, I still
think it is up to the movement to provide the
evidence for its claims. They are selling a
product after all. And it is making very
substantial claims for that
Back in the mid-80's Korean Zen master Seung Sahn Nim, while guiding a retreat,
was asked whether Master Hsuan Hua was a Zen Master. Seung Sahn Nim described
him as a Tripitaka master. He considered him important for his role in
inspiring young Americans to take up Dharma practice in a manner
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
curtisdeltabl...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
Snip
While I agree with what you have written, I still
think it is up to the movement to provide the
evidence for its claims. They
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11
no_re...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11
no_reply@ wrote:
you are entitled to your uninformed opinion, and your
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote:
snip
Not according to Maharishi. He seemed to believe
that TM practice would improve all aspects of a
person in a measurable way. So I don't think it is
a category error.
Yes, but what I'm talking about is whether a
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
curtisdeltabl...@... wrote:
But according to Maharishi's own
standards it has also failed. He set the bar high at mastery of
sidhis and never retracted this objective test for enlightenment. And
saying that guys like Tony can fly but
I'll have to get back to this later for a fuller
response, but I just want to make a couple of
quick points:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
curtisdeltabl...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
snip
Again, what I'm after is how to
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote:
what thype of rigorous
requirements would you suggest for studies done
on homeopathy?
I'm asking out of curiosity because a friend of
mine is a homeopath, and has clued me in to some
of the recent attempts to demonize
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig lengli...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_reply@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11
no_reply@ wrote:
regarding the achievement of a state of continuous samadhi,
and
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
curtisdeltabl...@... wrote:
There is a strong desire for the doctor to do something when a sick
person visits them.
Yes, a problem. One effective way around the problem is telling
personal experience stories where you as the MD or your
On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 8:53 PM, ruthsimplicity no_re...@yahoogroups.comwrote:
My experience is similar, though I doubt that I have told as many as
you have told that I used to do TM.
I sure would like to know the drop out rate.
I've mentioned to hundreds of people on the plane (front
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote:
On Jan 12, 2009, at 8:53 PM, ruthsimplicity wrote:
My experience is similar, though I doubt that I have told as many as
you have told that I used to do TM.
I sure would like to know the drop out rate.
95%.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@...
wrote:
On Jan 12, 2009, at 8:53 PM, ruthsimplicity wrote:
My experience is similar, though I doubt that I have told as many as
you have told that I used to do TM.
I sure would like to know the drop out rate.
95%.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11
all i am left with is suggesting you try TM for awhile, and draw
your own conclusions.
Fair enough. That is all anyone can do.
the so called conventional wisdom is often just conventional, and
not wisdom at all. go out on a
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Arhata Osho arhatafreespe...@...
wrote:
Having been in Corporate Sales in Manhattan,
Selling my poems and treatises outside of Rockerfeller Center
I had friends both in Advertising and
Pharmaceutical Sales.
Especially my Asian friends doing caricatures
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_re...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_reply@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11
no_reply@ wrote:
All very interesting, I'm sure. But being the
simple boob I am, I tend to prefer Lao-Tzu's
take on the situation. He managed to say it
in 13 words:
Just remain in the center, watching. And then
forget that you are there.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:
These
On Jan 12, 2009, at 7:25 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
All very interesting, I'm sure. But being the
simple boob I am, I tend to prefer Lao-Tzu's
take on the situation. He managed to say it
in 13 words:
Just remain in the center, watching. And then
forget that you are there.
Different situation.
Vaj, Do you actually practice these mental acrobatics or are you just
recommending techniques to produce a migraine? Simple, natural
effortless? Not so much. Barry's, recommendation sounds closer to the
TM technique than what you may be doing. What is the purpose of
complicating your sadhana?
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On Jan 12, 2009, at 8:29 AM, raunchydog wrote:
Vaj, Do you actually practice these mental acrobatics or are you just
recommending techniques to produce a migraine? Simple, natural
effortless? Not so much. Barry's, recommendation sounds closer to the
TM technique than what you may be doing.
If you don't practice Action Tantra, why don't you do it if you think
it's a good technique? Do you practice something better than Action
Tantra that gives you the experience of a siddhi of mind
stabilization through samadhi. If so, describe the technique you do
to experience samadhi and effect
raunchydog wrote:
Vaj, Do you actually practice these mental acrobatics? Raunchydog,
R-dog,
This should be a no brainer to any canine.
Consider that maybe Vaj digs the complexity because of the same reason
a dog licks his nether orbs..because he can.
I like thinking of Vaj having the
On Jan 12, 2009, at 9:24 AM, raunchydog wrote:
If you don't practice Action Tantra, why don't you do it if you think
it's a good technique? Do you practice something better than Action
Tantra that gives you the experience of a siddhi of mind
stabilization through samadhi. If so, describe the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_re...@... wrote:
raunchydog wrote:
Vaj, Do you actually practice these mental acrobatics? Raunchydog,
R-dog,
This should be a no brainer to any canine.
Consider that maybe Vaj digs the complexity because of the same
reason a dog
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