date:20130924

Excellent find, excellent writeup. I heartily recommend reading Teller's
original tale in the Atlantic. Whatever it was, whoever staged it (and,
of course, it could be Teller himself, as he is wont to do such things),
it was a class act.

http://www.theatlantic.com/past/docs/issues/97nov/teller.htm
http://www.theatlantic.com/past/docs/issues/97nov/teller.htm



s3raphita wrote:

A few days ago I read a time-travel story by Max Beerbohm called Enoch
Soames.  Beerbohm was a leading light during the decadent period in
England in  the 1890s - a friend of Oscar Wilde and a contributor to The
Yellow Book.  The story includes a lot of true details about Beerbohm's
own past and  is presented as a factual account of what actually
happened. Beerbohm is  the successful essayist. He then relates the
tragic history of a friend  named Enoch Soames - an obscure poet. His
appearance is described as vague and he always wears a waterproof cape
and soft black hat.

One  day Soames and Beerbohm are having lunch in a restaurant. Soames is
depressed; obsessively curious about his certain fate of posthumous 
fame. Desperate for assurance of the eventual recognition of his 
talent, Soames agrees to a contract offered by the Devil. In exchange 
for the future possession of his soul, Soames will be transported 
exactly 100 years forward in time; to spend one afternoon (from 2:10 PM 
to 7 PM) in the Reading Room of the British Museum searching the
catalogues to discover what judgement posterity has made on his works.

After the agreement is made, Soames vanishes. Later he reappears in the
restaurant at 7pm, where Beerbohm has returned to meet him.

A  devastated Soames tells Beerbohm that the only mention he could find
of  himself was in a single scholarly article. Then the Devil turns up
to  claim his soul.

The  story was so witty and cleverly constructed (avoiding the paradoxes
that time travel tales can involve) that it made a big impression on me.
Now, here's the thing: Soames was transported forward to the British 
Museum Reading Room on 3 June 1997. So thought I: Damn it! I wish I'd 
read this before the 1997 date and then I would have gone to the Reading
Room on that day to see if Enoch Soames turned up! What a lark that 
would have been. But, too late, alas.

And  then I asked myself: surely the story must have made a similar 
impression on others before me; others who perhaps DID turn up on the 
magic date. I Googled a few key words. And what name should turn up but 
Teller - the silent one of Penn  Teller fame! Turns out he'd been 
bowled over by the tale also and he flew over from the States to be at 
the museum on the designated date. Once in the Reading Room, Teller met
a  few others also expectantly awaiting Soames's arrival. And what 
happened at 2.10pm? Well Enoch Soames walked in, of course!

In  Teller's own words: The wide-brimmed beaver hat is threadbare. The 
cape is mud-stained. The man under the cape appears to be in his late 
twenties, with a large head, long neck, and sloping shoulders. He is 
pale save for scattered inflammations on his skin, and his mouse-brown 
hair droops down his neck. To his chin and his upper lip clings thin, 
lusterless fuzz. His eyes are wide-set, hooded, and sad. He  goes
directly to the catalogue and gazes for a long time at the gap  where
the SNOOD volume belongs. He pulls out the volume to the left and  looks
through it, puzzled. Then he notices SNOOD lying open on top of  the
bookcase and leafs through it . . .  And so on.

What  a hoot! Of course, there are those sceptics who maintain that the
young  man was just an actor. There are those cynics who maintain that
Teller  himself arranged the whole show. But if so, then Bravo Teller!
say I.  I've been chuckling about this ever since I read Teller's
account which can be found here:
http://www.theatlantic.com/ past/docs/issues/97nov/teller. htm
http://www.theatlantic.com/past/docs/issues/97nov/teller.htm



Curiously, the Reading Room of the British Museum, though still open in
June 1997, was finally closed later that year and its functions
transferred to the British Library.

[FairfieldLife] Projecting (Re: Surviving Whole Foods)


Judy, it's precisely this kind of statements you make that I
and WillyTex were refering to.

To put it bluntly, you are abrasive.

If you had diplomacy, if you let the conversations flow in a
natural and fluid way, you would be certainly a brilliant
poster. As Xeno pointed out, you as much as Barry, shift
contexts in arguments.

Barry is an emotional psychopath, and an emotional sadist.

You, on the other hand is an intellectual psychopath.

Ravi told a plain lie to Curtis that he bought drink to a
minor. You tried to justifiy it by saying, Curtis was
projecting.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/300480
  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/300480
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/300544
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/300544



 --- authfriend authfriend@.. wrote:

 Good lord, (E)hare, don't humiliate yourself by invoking
 Mr. Spock's logic. You wouldn't recognize logic if it
 stuck its fingers up your nose.

  --- sharelong60 sharelong60@... wrote:
 
  (D)udy, you told ME not to waste YOUR time! Duh! How can
  I  possibly waste YOUR time?! As Spock would say: your
  logic is weak.
 
   From: authfriend@... authfriend@...
  
   Share tried a blather instead of a blither:
  
   I have no control over which posts of mine you read,
   Judy, ergo I have no control over how you spend your
   time on FFL.
  
   I don't believe I said you did, Share.
  
   What you do have control over is whether you ask
   stupid questions.
  
   Oh, wait...

[FairfieldLife] Projecting (Re: Surviving Whole Foods)

Ignoring all the rest, as I usually do with anything you
post :-), I'll comment on one paragraph:

 If you had diplomacy, if you let the conversations 
 flow in a natural and fluid way, you would be 
 certainly a brilliant poster. As Xeno pointed out, 
 you as much as Barry, shift contexts in arguments.

One of my complaints is actually the opposite, that she
actively tries to *prevent* the context of discussions
from shifting to something other than what she *wants*
them to be. How many times have you heard her use the
term non-sequitur, hurled as an insult, a putdown,
and a thought-stopper at someone who has read something
she (or someone else) posted and then springboarded off
it to a topic that *they* felt was related and relevant? 

Judy reacts badly to this, in the same way that Robin
did, and I believe for the same reason. She has control
issues. She wants discussions to work the way *she*
wants them to. If they're about an interesting general
topic and she's managed to transform it into a hit
on someone she doesn't like, she'll declare that the
hit is the real topic and try to put down anyone
who wants to go back and discuss the larger, less 
hostile, and more interesting topic. 

The threads that interest me the most are the ones in
which participants are *flexible*, and able to jackpot
off of someone's ideas and move the conversation into
another area, *expanding* the topic and thus making it
more interesting. It's as if Judy has a need to try
to make people think like her, and get so hung up on
a small nitpick that they can't move off of it. 

Sorry, but to me that doesn't qualify as conversation.
That's a power play, run by someone who wants to be
perceived as an authority without having ever done 
anything to deserve being considered one. 

As for me being an emotional sadist, I'm not sure
what that means, but I can live with it. :-) I've
certainly been called worse. 

Besides, given everything I know and have been taught
about the way attachment, aversion, and bondage works, 
if someone reacts emotionally to something I said 
unemotionally, it doesn't strike me as *my* problem, 
but theirs. 


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason jedi_spock@... wrote:

 Judy, it's precisely this kind of statements you make that I
 and WillyTex were refering to.
 
 To put it bluntly, you are abrasive.
 
 If you had diplomacy, if you let the conversations flow in a
 natural and fluid way, you would be certainly a brilliant
 poster. As Xeno pointed out, you as much as Barry, shift
 contexts in arguments.
 
 Barry is an emotional psychopath, and an emotional sadist.
 
 You, on the other hand is an intellectual psychopath.
 
 Ravi told a plain lie to Curtis that he bought drink to a
 minor. You tried to justifiy it by saying, Curtis was
 projecting.
 
 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/300480
   http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/300480
 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/300544
 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/300544
 
 
 
  --- authfriend authfriend@ wrote:
 
  Good lord, (E)hare, don't humiliate yourself by invoking
  Mr. Spock's logic. You wouldn't recognize logic if it
  stuck its fingers up your nose.
 
   --- sharelong60 sharelong60@ wrote:
  
   (D)udy, you told ME not to waste YOUR time! Duh! How can
   I  possibly waste YOUR time?! As Spock would say: your
   logic is weak.
  
From: authfriend@ authfriend@
   
Share tried a blather instead of a blither:
   
I have no control over which posts of mine you read,
Judy, ergo I have no control over how you spend your
time on FFL.
   
I don't believe I said you did, Share.
   
What you do have control over is whether you ask
stupid questions.
   
Oh, wait...

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: The Theology of Breaking Bad

Seraphita, I think both CS Lewis and the listener are right. Continuing the 
food analogy, it's as if an essential nutrient has been missing from the diet 
for a long time and now the person is overindulging to make up for that 
deficit. But what is the nutrient that's being so feverishly sought via the 
porn industry? This helps me understand a little: my favorite tantric teacher 
David Deida once said that to a straight man, the female body is the most 
beautiful thing in the world. Anyway, we women aren't hardwired the same visual 
way but I think a parallel hunger in women shows up in the popularity of 
romance novels and mushy love songs and chick flicks. This all reminds me of 
something I read once, sorry can't remember the author at the moment: that men 
need sex to feel love and women need to feel love to have sex. Seems like one 
of life's little jests.

PS I know about CS Lewis only from the movie Shadowlands, based on his life, 
specifically his marriage.




 From: s3raph...@yahoo.com s3raph...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 9:33 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: The Theology of Breaking Bad
 


  
Ah, yes! C.S. Lewis and Mere Christianity. The book was originally a series of 
talks Lewis gave on BBC Radio in the 1940s. At one point he brought up the 
delicate topic of sex. Lewis maintained that in his youth he had been all in 
favour of a naturalattitude towards sexual matters but - he said - surely 
contemporary attitudes towards sex were anything but natural. There was 
something positively diseased about them. As an example, Lewis asked us to 
consider a striptease show. What are we make of such an exhibition? Well, he 
said, imagine you had arrived in a strange country where you discovered that 
the inhabitants were in the habit of paying to gather in front of a display of 
food that was hidden from view. Then, slowly, the appetising meal was revealed 
to the gaze of the citizens. Wouldn't you then conclude that something had gone 
seriously wrong with the appetites of the denizens of this imaginary nation? 
Well, isn't the same true of our attitudes
 towards sex? We have a diseased approach, he concluded.

A listener to the programme later wrote in to say: if I came across a country 
such as you describe I would assume that the people were starving. What a 
splendid response! The implication being that men frequent strip shows because 
they are sex-starved.

Now take a look around you at the 24/7 porn culture we inhabit. Was Lewis right 
or the anonymous listener? 


--- In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote:


In Mere Christianity, C.S. Lewis calls pride “The Great Sin” for it 
“has been the chief cause of misery in every nation and every family 
since the world began… it was through Pride that the devil became the 
devil: Pride leads to every other vice.” We see in Walter’s case that it 
is his pride—an unwillingness to accept normal treatment, a refusal to 
be a charity case even when faced with his own impending death—that 
starts him on the path toward manufacturing meth. Pride is the catalyst 
that leads to all of Walter’s other sins.

Read more:

'The Theology of Breaking Bad'
http://www.fare-forward.com/the-theology-of-breaking-bad/

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Theology of Breaking Bad

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:

 Seraphita, I think both CS Lewis and the listener are right.
 Continuing the food analogy, it's as if an essential nutrient
 has been missing from the diet for a long time and now the
 person is overindulging to make up for that deficit. But what
 is the nutrient that's being so feverishly sought via the porn
 industry? This helps me understand a little: my favorite
 tantric teacher David Deida once said that to a straight man,
 the female body is the most beautiful thing in the world.
 Anyway, we women aren't hardwired the same visual way
 but I think a parallel hunger in women shows up in the
 popularity of romance novels and mushy love songs and
 chick flicks.

As an example of the creative uses of context shifting I
wrote about in my last post, this reminded me of a recent
article quoting author Stephen King on the sad (in his eyes)
popularity of tweenager porn.

http://www.theguardian.com/books/2013/sep/21/stephen-king-twilight-tween\
age-porn
http://www.theguardian.com/books/2013/sep/21/stephen-king-twilight-twee\
nage-porn

I agree with him completely, at least about Twilight.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Projecting (Re: Surviving Whole Foods)

2013-09-24 Thread Steve Sundur

Oh, that was a classic.  Wait, do you hear something?  Kind of like someone 
running ready to barge in here.

Ravi told a plain lie to Curtis that he bought drink to a 
minor. You tried to justifiy it by saying, Curtis was 
projecting. 

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/300480
 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/300544 



 --- authfriend authfriend@.. wrote:
 
 Good lord, (E)hare, don't humiliate yourself by invoking 
 Mr. Spock's logic. You wouldn't recognize logic if it  
 stuck its fingers up your nose. 

  --- sharelong60 sharelong60@... wrote:
  
  (D)udy, you told ME not to waste YOUR time! Duh! How can 
  I  possibly waste YOUR time?! As Spock would say: your  
  logic is weak.
  
   From: authfriend@... authfriend@...
   
   Share tried a blather instead of a blither: 
   
   I have no control over which posts of mine you read,  
   Judy, ergo I have no control over how you spend your  
   time on FFL.
   
   I don't believe I said you did, Share.
   
   What you do have control over is whether you ask  
   stupid questions.
   
   Oh, wait...

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Theology of Breaking Bad

turq, I don't find the writing in the Twilight novels that great. But I think 
it's a powerful retelling of the archetypal story of love between an immortal 
and a mortal, between God and human for us non atheists. In this sense, it's a 
story of surrender and unity to something greater than ourselves. Actually I 
think most romantic love stories are, on the deepest level, evoking the human 
yearning for unity with something more complete than ourselves. Also with 
regards to Twilight, perhaps a retelling of Beauty and the Beast, another 
archetypal love story. Maybe it's not an accident that the heroine is called 
Bella and the hero Edward calls himself a monster. Hopefully the archetypal 
aspects are also getting through to the teen audiences.





 From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 6:53 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Theology of Breaking Bad
 


  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:

 Seraphita, I think both CS Lewis and the listener are right. 
 Continuing the food analogy, it's as if an essential nutrient 
 has been missing from the diet for a long time and now the 
 person is overindulging to make up for that deficit. But what 
 is the nutrient that's being so feverishly sought via the porn 
 industry? This helps me understand a little: my favorite 
 tantric teacher David Deida once said that to a straight man, 
 the female body is the most beautiful thing in the world. 
 Anyway, we women aren't hardwired the same visual way 
 but I think a parallel hunger in women shows up in the 
 popularity of romance novels and mushy love songs and 
 chick flicks. 

As an example of the creative uses of context shifting I
wrote about in my last post, this reminded me of a recent
article quoting author Stephen King on the sad (in his eyes)
popularity of tweenager porn.

http://www.theguardian.com/books/2013/sep/21/stephen-king-twilight-tweenage-porn
 

I agree with him completely, at least about Twilight.

[FairfieldLife] Projecting (Re: Surviving Whole Foods)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:

 One of my complaints is actually the opposite, that she
 actively tries to *prevent* the context of discussions
 from shifting to something other than what she *wants*
 them to be. How many times have you heard her use the
 term non-sequitur, hurled as an insult, a putdown,
 and a thought-stopper at someone who has read something
 she (or someone else) posted and then springboarded off
 it to a topic that *they* felt was related and relevant? 
 
 Judy reacts badly to this, in the same way that Robin
 did, and I believe for the same reason. She has control
 issues. She wants discussions to work the way *she*
 wants them to. If they're about an interesting general
 topic and she's managed to transform it into a hit
 on someone she doesn't like, she'll declare that the
 hit is the real topic and try to put down anyone
 who wants to go back and discuss the larger, less 
 hostile, and more interesting topic. 

Since we all know she'll demand documentation
for this :-), lets take an example from recent
history. I posted a link to a funny article in
HuffPost about Whole Foods. Only a few people
here commented (thanks) on how funny it was. 

Instead, within six posts Judy had adopted 
an argumentative tone in a thread about a 
funny article, and within eleven posts she
was calling someone a liar. At last count 
there were 137 posts in the thread, *most* 
of them about the tempest in a pisspot she 
created and then refused to let die. 

Can you say shifting context? Can you say
Doing it for your own petty, self-serving
reasons? I think you can.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Theology of Breaking Bad

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:

 turq, I don't find the writing in the Twilight novels 
 that great. But I think it's a powerful retelling of 
 the archetypal story of love between an immortal and 
 a mortal, between God and human for us non atheists. 
 In this sense, it's a story of surrender and unity to 
 something greater than ourselves. Actually I think 
 most romantic love stories are, on the deepest level, 
 evoking the human yearning for unity with something 
 more complete than ourselves. Also with regards to 
 Twilight, perhaps a retelling of Beauty and the Beast, 
 another archetypal love story. Maybe it's not an 
 accident that the heroine is called Bella and the 
 hero Edward calls himself a monster. Hopefully the 
 archetypal aspects are also getting through to the 
 teen audiences.

I can hardly speak as an expert, having made my
way through the first novel only because someone
was begging me to. It was like pulling my own teeth.

I later found criticisms of it that echoed what I
was feeling as I read. FAR from archetypal or
mythic, I found it to be the literary counterpart
of those creepy clubs in high schools where they
talk guys and gals into wearing virginity rings.

It was the mindset of the 1950s, with vampires and
the dangers of getting close to them taking the 
place of the dangers of...uh...SEX. It was preaching 
sublimation, and resisting of natural desires, and 
trying to elevate those things as if they were noble 
and wonderful. I didn't feel that was an appropriate 
message for teenagers, so I wasn't a fan. 

But obviously, tastes vary. What surprises me about
the whole Twilight thang are the number of *older*
women who fixate on it. 


 
  From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 6:53 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Theology of Breaking Bad
  
 
 
 Â  
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
 
  Seraphita, I think both CS Lewis and the listener are right. 
  Continuing the food analogy, it's as if an essential nutrient 
  has been missing from the diet for a long time and now the 
  person is overindulging to make up for that deficit. But what 
  is the nutrient that's being so feverishly sought via the porn 
  industry? This helps me understand a little: my favorite 
  tantric teacher David Deida once said that to a straight man, 
  the female body is the most beautiful thing in the world. 
  Anyway, we women aren't hardwired the same visual way 
  but I think a parallel hunger in women shows up in the 
  popularity of romance novels and mushy love songs and 
  chick flicks. 
 
 As an example of the creative uses of context shifting I
 wrote about in my last post, this reminded me of a recent
 article quoting author Stephen King on the sad (in his eyes)
 popularity of tweenager porn.
 
 http://www.theguardian.com/books/2013/sep/21/stephen-king-twilight-tweenage-pornÂ
  
 
 I agree with him completely, at least about Twilight.

Not sure what you're talking about here. What 100% pension are you talking 
about? SS was never meant to be a *pension*, it's a supplement to whatever 
savings and pension you were supposed to have worked for while paying into SS. 
Divvy up jobs? Who's in charge of that and who decides who gets a job and who 
goes on *leisure pay*? No longer enough full time jobs? Maybe we should ask why 
and what we can do to create them and what we have done to diminish them. 
Obamacare is a good example of why we are having fewer full time jobs. Work 
thirty hours or more and your employer has to provide insurance which they may 
or may not be able to afford. When 10-20 million people cross our boarders 
illegally because *all they want is a job*, can we say there aren't enough jobs 
to go around? Oh, I know, some jobs are just below our *dignity*. I remember a 
day when taking public assistance was below our dignity. If someone thinks they 
are too good for a certain kind of
 job that is available , maybe they just aught to have their ego busted so they 
can see just how valuable they really are.


From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 5:21 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] America the Beautiful

  
Nothing wrong with Social Security.  But there is something wrong with 
foolishly promising people a pension that pays the same as when they were 
working.  What were they smoking when they did that?  it actually isn't 
feasible.  Times were booming and the idiots you elected (regardless of the 
aisle they sat on) made those promises.  The idea when you get older is you 
probably don't need and often want as much.  You don't need a full pension.When 
there are no longer full time jobs for everyone then you have to divvy up the 
jobs.  But that won't work for employers.  So what are you going to do, Mike?  
Tell people to crawl away and die?  You know how that will go down.  They'll 
tell you to crawl away and die.On 09/23/2013 02:39 PM, Mike Dixon wrote:
  
We already have that *leisure society*. Ever heard of Social Security? You pay 
into  it for many years and at a certain age you get to join that leisure 
society,. Get paid for not working. Many people don't even have to pay into 
it.  Just have something wrong that prevents you from being able to work or 
just be the child of a parent that died and had paid into it. Heck, you can 
even be a single mother and have the government pay you to raise your kids. 
The government will find you a place to live , feed you and your kids, give 
you a phone, free medical care. There's an old saying, *if something is worth 
having, it's worth working for*. The work in this case is learning how to make 
do with a little.



From: Bhairitu mailto:noozg...@sbcglobal.net
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 1:19 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] America the Beautiful

  
And the Fascist, I mean Repubicans, want us to work until we drop dead. Doing 
what?  How would you like a near aspergers like former computer programmer 
waiting on you at Burger King?  At that there are not enough jobs for 
everybody.  I push the new leisure society where you pay people FOR NOT 
WORKING.  Sound upside down?  Bucky Fuller suggested this over 50 years ago. 
Also many people with retirement funds used them up after unemployment ran out 
while looking for a job in their field.  A friend who is a very competent 
software engineer and college professor found himself taking Social Security 
at age 67 even though he wanted to wait until he could get the full amount at 
age 70. America ain't Beautiful anymore.  In fact it sucks. On 09/23/2013 
12:46 PM, turquoiseb wrote:
  
A Christian 
nation:http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-09-23/why-100-000-salary-may-yield-retirement-flipping-burgers.html

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Theology of Breaking Bad


The Chinese philosophy which speaks of Yin-Yang, two equal
energies mutually balancing each other is a far superior
philosophy to western philosophy and certain aspects of
indian philosophy.

Seience itself says that male and female are equals but
different.

Yoga is essentialy balance, ie life within parameters.

Any society or culture that is imbalanced will eventually
destroy itself.  Nature hates imbalances and always tries to
reach an equilibrium.  I have always believed that an unisex
dresscode in public spaces, is an important way to bring in
a truly egalitarian society.

If a republic is small, it is destroyed by a foreign force;
if it is large, it is destroyed by an internal vice.

~French philosopher, Montesquieu


 --- s3raphita s3raphita@.. wrote:

 Ah, yes! C.S. Lewis and Mere Christianity. The book was
 originally a series of talks Lewis gave on BBC Radio in
 the 1940s. At one point he brought up the delicate topic
 of sex. Lewis maintained that in his youth he had been all
 in favour of a naturalattitude towards sexual matters
 but - he said - surely contemporary attitudes towards sex
 were anything but natural. There was something
 positively diseased about them. As an example, Lewis asked
 us to consider a striptease show. What are we make of such
 an exhibition? Well, he said, imagine you had arrived in a
 strange country where you discovered that the inhabitants
 were in the habit of paying to gather in front of a
 display of food that was hidden from view. Then, slowly,
 the appetising meal was revealed to the gaze of the
 citizens. Wouldn't you then conclude that something had
 gone seriously wrong with the appetites of the denizens of
 this imaginary nation? Well, isn't the same true of our
 attitudes towards sex? We have a diseased approach, he
 concluded.

 A listener to the programme later wrote in to say: if I
 came across a country such as you describe I would assume
 that the people were starving. What a splendid response!
 The implication being that men frequent strip shows
 because they are sex-starved.

 Now take a look around you at the 24/7 porn culture we
 inhabit. Was Lewis right or the anonymous listener?

  --- Pundister punditster@... wrote:
 
  In Mere Christianity, C.S. Lewis calls pride 'The Great
  Sin' for it 'has been the chief cause of misery in
  every nation and every family since the world began'¦ it
  was through Pride that the devil became the devil: Pride
  leads to every other vice.' We see in Walter' case that
  it is his pride' 'an unwillingness to accept normal
  treatment, a refusal to be a charity case even when
  faced with his own impending death' that starts him on
  the path toward manufacturing meth. Pride is the
  catalyst that leads to all of Walter's other sins.
 
  Read more:
 
  'The Theology of Breaking Bad'
  http://www.fare-forward.com/the-theology-of-breaking-bad/

Re: [FairfieldLife] The Many Ways the Government Is Spying On Us

On 9/23/2013 8:31 PM, emptyb...@yahoo.com wrote:
  The Many Ways the Government Is Spying On Us
 
Yes, the government is spying on you and probably for a good reason.

What have you got to hide?

You gave up your secret identity when your parents registered your birth
and got you a social security number. You gave up your privacy when you
signed for your driver's license. Go figure.

There's nothing you can do about it now, but if I were you, I'd keep the
U.S. Passport. LoL!

You probably established your true identity when you got that tattoo on
your right arm. LoL!

P.S. By posting to Yahoo, you just told the whole world where you are -
you have an IP address. That's all they need to track you down to get a
sample of your DNA off the keyboard or mouse.

[FairfieldLife] FFL Help Desk, was End of the Bread Box on Wheels


You really told off Share, good work!

I'm glad to see the FFL Help Desk pull together to help each other - it's
almost heartwarming. LoL!

One guy I know, who is a Network Engineer at a local community college,
got Help Desk Duty one day, but he was so rude he got put back on cable
management the next day - the college president sent an email to the IT
director that said:

DO NOT EVER PUT THIS GUY ON THE HELP DESK AGAIN.

Share is lucky she had a player with a pin hole on the front - one time
my Pioneer got a disk stuck in it and I had to take the whole top off to
get the disk out. Go figure.

So after that, I bought a Technics five-disc player with a lid on top that
lifts up like a record player dust cover. Sweet!

On 9/23/2013 9:18 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote:




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com 
wrote:


Doc and Xeno, thank you! I did it! And guess what the key was? A 
regular sized paper clip didn't work. I had to get a large paper clip 
to get the tray to partially open.


Thanks boys. This was obviously an operation fraught with high tech 
angles and the need for a PhD in engineering. Share couldn't have done 
it without you. Share, how do you get out of bed in the morning and 
actually manage to make it to the toilet to take a piss? On top of 
that, find your toothbrush and figure out how to get toothpaste on the 
actual bristles? I mean, the list goes on and on for how complex it 
must be for you just to make it past the first 15 minutes of 
wakefulness without calling 911.




*From:* doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@...
*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Monday, September 23, 2013 12:39 PM
*Subject:* RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] End of the Bread Box on Wheels

Re: stuck DVD

This link has every suggestion I could think of:

http://forum.videohelp.com/threads/209005-Panasonic-DVD-S47-Disc-Stuck-In-Machine 




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

noozguru or anyone, a dvd is stuck in the dvd player. I called
Panasonic but they put me on terminal hold. It's a library dvd
too! Any ideas? thanks



*From:* Bhairitu noozguru@...
*To:* FairfieldLife FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Monday, September 23, 2013 11:01 AM
*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] End of the Bread Box on Wheels

I used to call VW buses bread boxes on wheels. I winced everytime I
had to ride in one. I had two friends who owned them. I thought they
were about the most unsafe vehicle on the road given you only had
a thin
wall of metal between you and an oncoming. Those who survived
owing had
sheer luck. Of course I myself owned Ralph Nader's number one unsafe
vehicles, a Corvair. Although I only owned it for a few months
when it
was stolen and totaled.

I didn't know that WV still made the bus but they are still being
made
in Brazil until the end of December.

http://www.nbcnews.com/business/vws-hippie-hauler-ending-its-long-strange-trip-4B11231364

[FairfieldLife] RE: The Many Ways the Government Is Spying On Us

2013-09-24 Thread merudanda

RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods

RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods

[FairfieldLife] Re: Einstein for Dummies (was: On Being An Eagle)


Bob, hope you'll drop by often.  IMO, your intellect is far
sharper than anybody here, even Judy.

Barry is just woefully ill informed.  He imagines a lot, and
sometimes loses objectivity.  He is not a deliberate liar.
His errors are delusionary.


 --- bobpriced bobpriced@.. wrote:

 My last post snipped one of Barry's paragraphs, which I
 have restored below:

 Regret I only have time for this drive by, but I wanted to
 let everyone know how much I've enjoyed the traffic on FFL
 this past week; at times its been hard to keep up (the
 Wife says its amazing how much I expect to get paid
 considering how much I need to keep up) with all the posts
 of my favourite contributors, but I think I finally
 managed it this morning. It's been a particular pleasure
 watching Judy, once again, hand the heads, and in Barry's
 case---the balls, to the growing list of FFL
 misogynist's---who are not unlike watching a group of
 Swiss dance instructors trying to out run an avalanche on
 the Jungfrau they caused with their excessive yodelling; I
 hesitate to suggest, they might try loosening their
 lederhosen; can anyone doubt that the contributions of
 these gentlemen have nothing to do with accuracy and
 everything to do with the fact Judy is a woman and so much
 more intelligent and talented then they are? So as not to
 be taken for a taker, I thought I might add to everyone's
 edification by pointing out one of Pinocchio's bigger
 whoppers this past week (just to remind us what a liar
 looks like). More below.

 Sorry to nit pick Barry, but, as I've told you in the
 past, name dropping about people nobody knows (or cares
 about) is pretty much an open road, but when you bullshit
 about the famous you need to tack a little closer to the
 truth. As someone who peed on his lap should know,
 Einstein never worked on the Manhattan project with
 Winthrop, or anyone else for that matter, as he was denied
 a security  clearance due to his pacifist leanings, and
 *all scientists* working on the Manhattan Project were
 forbidden by the government to consult with him because of
 this perceived security risk. So unless you want to leave
 old Winthrop out on a ledge, you may want to consider
 changing your story to Oppenheimer, although that won't
 cover you for future stories about the hydrogen bomb (he
 was also considered a  security risk by the time that went
 into development), or, better still, just use Edward
 Teller---that will get you all the way to the neutron
 bomb; and don't forget you'll need to get him from Chicago
 to Priceton  somehow (opps my fingers slipped).

 http://tinyurl.com/Einstein-For-Dummies   
http://tinyurl.com/Einstein-For-Dummies  

 http://www.amnh.org/exhibitions/past-exhibitions/einstein
http://www.amnh.org/exhibitions/past-exhibitions/einstein/peace-and-war\
/the-manhattan-project
 /peace-and-war/the-manhattan-project
http://www.amnh.org/exhibitions/past-exhibitions/einstein/peace-and-war\
/the-manhattan-project

  ---turquoiseb turquoiseb@.. wrote:
 
  Judy posted an interesting question for a change:

   I wonder if it's possible for two philosophers to
   have an argument (or just a conversation) using
   only mathematical formulations, no words.

  I can cast third-hand hearsay evidence on this
  question. At least on the having a conversation
  issue.
 
  My grandfather worked with Albert Einstein on the
  Manhattan Project, as did most of the other high-
  level physicists in the US at the time. They would
  occasionally get together in one of the classrooms
  of Princeton University, alone, and just jackpot
  ideas. My father describes my grandfather describing
  hours-long conversations in which neither of them
  said a word.
 
  One would just scribble an unfinished equation on
  one of the many blackboards in the room, and then
  step back and wait for the other to comment on it.
  Sometimes the comment was another, slightly differ-
  ent equation. Sometimes it was a correction to a
  mistake in the original equation. Rarely -- and to
  be celebrated -- there was a solution to the
  equation.
 
  They celebrated by going out for ice cream. Sure
  sounds like a conversation to me, but not much of
  an argument.
 
  There's a difference.

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: The Many Ways the Government Is Spying On Us

Reminds me of the movie 'Harrison Bergeron' - In the year 2053, when the 
United States strives to obtain perfect mediocrity.


In school, Cs are good, As are bad. The government is chosen at random 
from all adult citizens. Spouses are selected by computers to better 
obtain average children. Offenders of traffic laws are subject to 
capital punishment. And corrective brain surgery exists for those who 
are just not average enough.


Read more:

'Uniformity and Deformity in Harrison Bergeron'
By Marek Vit

Amazon review:

...an anti-communist allegory exploring the ultimate result of a 
communist revolution in America. The new subjects are required to submit 
to various handicaps to make them all equal, including bands to 
stupify their brains, leg weights, etc. Of course it turns out it's all 
enforced by an elite class led by Christopher Plummer. - R. Christenson


Harrison Bergeron:
Republic Pictures, 1998

On 9/24/2013 8:43 AM, merudanda wrote:


The end of TM /Transcendental Meditation/ technique practice? :

It was terribly dangerous to let your thoughts wander when you were 
in any public place or within range of a telescreen. The smallest 
thing could give you away. A nervous tic, an unconscious look of 
anxiety, a habit of muttering to yourself--anything that carried with 
it the suggestion of abnormality, of having something to hide. In any 
case, to wear an improper expression on your face...; was itself a 
punishable offense. There was even a word for it in Newspeak: 
facecrime...-


George Orwell, 1984, Book 1, Chapter 5

Is our Golden Dome in good old USA bucked, too?

OTHOH may be some TMO fundies are working on it



---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote:


  The Many Ways the Government Is Spying On Us
  http://www.infowars.com/the-many-ways-the-government-is-spying-on-us/

 *

http://www.infowars.com/the-many-ways-the-government-is-spying-on-us/print/
The Alex Jones Channel
http://www.youtube.com/user/TheAlexJonesChannel Alex Jones Show
podcast http://xml.nfowars.net/Alex.rss 
Infowars.com Twitter http://twitter.com/realalexjones   Alex
Jones' Facebook http://www.facebook.com/AlexanderEmerickJones
Infowars store http://www.infowarsshop.com/

The Government Is Spying On Us Through Our Computers, Phones, Cars, 
Buses, Streetlights, At Airports And On The Street, Via Mobile 
Scanners And Drones, Through Our Smart Meters, And In Many Other Ways



http://www.infowars.com/the-many-ways-the-government-is-spying-on-us/

RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods

2013-09-24 Thread doctordumbass

[FairfieldLife] RE: The Many Ways the Government Is Spying On Us

2013-09-24 Thread merudanda

RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Projecting (Re: Surviving Whole Foods)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods

Ann opines:
 
 Bob Prices' later post which I just read before 
 bothering to respond to you is FUN. Maybe you 
 better go and read that a few times, Pinocchio. 
 Now that man can deliver and he often has his 
 facts straight. You don't want to mess with him, 
 and you know it. If you want to give me some 
 real FUN, I would love to see you engage him 
 one on one - go ahead, I really, really dare you.

Not gonna happen. Bob's a troll, and a grudge-
holding one at that. If you're looking for 
someone to knock you out of the #2 Bitch position,
he *is* a likely candidate, but I'm not gonna
interact with him. If that's your idea of fun,
you go for it.  :-)

RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods

[FairfieldLife] RE: Projecting (Re: Surviving Whole Foods)

RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods

Re: [FairfieldLife] FFL Help Desk, was End of the Bread Box on Wheels

See Richard, even what you put in the Subject window made me LOL. The young 
fellow at Panasonic was very polite. But why why why did they want my street 
address which is not my credit card billing address? NSA now hooked into Help 
Desks?! Making Help Desks even more fun!





 From: Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com
To: Richard J. Williams FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 8:42 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] FFL Help Desk, was End of the Bread Box on Wheels
 


  
You really told off Share, good work!

I'm glad to see the FFL Help Desk pull together to help each other
  - it's 
almost heartwarming. LoL!

One guy I know, who is a Network Engineer at a local community
  college,
got Help Desk Duty one day, but he was so rude he got put back on
  cable
management the next day - the college president sent an email to
  the IT
director that said:

DO NOT EVER PUT THIS GUY ON THE HELP DESK AGAIN.

Share is lucky she had a player with a pin hole on the front - one
  time
my Pioneer got a disk stuck in it and I had to take the whole top
  off to
get the disk out. Go figure.

So after that, I bought a Technics five-disc player with a lid on
  top that
lifts up like a record player dust cover. Sweet!

On 9/23/2013 9:18 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote:

  
 


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:


Doc and Xeno, thank you! I did it! And guess what the key was? A regular sized 
paper clip didn't work. I had to get a large paper clip to get the tray to 
partially open.  


Thanks boys. This was obviously an operation fraught with high tech angles and 
the need for a PhD in engineering. Share couldn't have done it without you. 
Share, how do you get out of bed in the morning and actually manage to make it 
to the toilet to take a piss? On top of that, find your toothbrush and figure 
out how to get toothpaste on the actual bristles? I mean, the list goes on and 
on for how complex it must be for you just to make it past the first 15 
minutes of wakefulness without calling 911.







 From: doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 12:39 PM
Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] End of the Bread Box on Wheels
 


  
Re: stuck DVD


This link has every suggestion I could think of:


http://forum.videohelp.com/threads/209005-Panasonic-DVD-S47-Disc-Stuck-In-Machine
 



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:


noozguru or anyone, a dvd is stuck in the dvd player. I called Panasonic but 
they put me on terminal hold. It's a library dvd too! Any ideas? thanks







 From: Bhairitu noozguru@...
To: FairfieldLife FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 11:01 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] End of the Bread Box on Wheels
 


  
I used to call VW buses bread boxes on wheels. I winced everytime I 
had to ride in
  one. I had two
  friends who owned
  them. I thought
  they 
were about the
  most unsafe
  vehicle on the
  road given you
  only had a thin 
wall of metal
  between you and an
  oncoming. Those
  who survived owing
  had 
sheer luck. Of
  course I myself
  owned Ralph
  Nader's number one
  unsafe 
vehicles, a
  Corvair. Although
  I only owned it
  for a few months
  when it 
was stolen and
  totaled.

I didn't know that
  WV still made the
  bus but they are
  still being made 
in Brazil until
  the end of
  December.

Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] Projecting (Re: Surviving Whole Foods)

2013-09-24 Thread Steve Sundur

Steve bleated:



Oh, that was a classic.  Wait, do you hear something?  Kind of like someone 
running ready to barge in here.

Yup. I wasn't trying to justify Ravi's lie in either of the posts Jason linked 
to. I never tried to justify it and in fact condemned it in other posts.

Good.  Glad to hear that Judy.  That would have been a tough one to spin.  
Guess my recollection was a little off.

Seems both Jason and Steve are a little confused about what actually went on 
during that episode.



Ravi told a plain lie to Curtis that he bought drink to a 
minor. You tried to justifiy it by saying, Curtis was 
projecting. 

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/300480
 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/300544

RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods

2013-09-24 Thread doctordumbass

[FairfieldLife] RE: Projecting (Re: Surviving Whole Foods)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods


Listen to me carefully, Uncle Tantra.  It took years for
Judy and et all, to find out your true colors.

Bob Price found that out in just a few minutes time.!!

Would you admit that the intellect of Bob Price is far
superior to anybody else here?  You got what you deserved
Unc.

Bob Price would outwit Rama Lenz in an intellectual argument
any day.

Please don't fudge the issue at hand by calling him a troll.
He isn't one. Everybody knows that.  I want you to look at
him in the eye, and admit your error.


  Ann opines:
 
  Bob Prices' later post which I just read before
  bothering to respond to you is FUN. Maybe you
  better go and read that a few times, Pinocchio.
  Now that man can deliver and he often has his
  facts straight. You don't want to mess with him,
  and you know it. If you want to give me some
  real FUN, I would love to see you engage him
  one on one - go ahead, I really, really dare you.
 
 --- turquoiseb turquoiseb@... writes:

 Not gonna happen. Bob's a troll, and a grudge-
 holding one at that. If you're looking for
 someone to knock you out of the #2 Bitch position,
 he *is* a likely candidate, but I'm not gonna
 interact with him. If that's your idea of fun,
 you go for it. :-)

[FairfieldLife] RE: On Being An Eagle

RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods

[FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods

You're a troll, too, in posts like this. 

You're seeking a reactive response from me, as if 
you've said something that (in your mind) struck 
home. In other words, you're Doing A Judy. 

Bob's not worth pissing on, much less replying to.
If you're hoping to emulate him, you're doing a 
good job so far.  :-)

Speaking of trolls, however, have you noticed that
you and a number of other people are now going 
somewhat crazy trying to get Barry, simply 
because I deigned to reply to some of you? Maybe
it's time to go back to ignoring the lot of you. 
It'd be better for your collective mental health. :-)


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason jedi_spock@... wrote:

 Listen to me carefully, Uncle Tantra.  It took years for
 Judy and et all, to find out your true colors.
 
 Bob Price found that out in just a few minutes time.!!
 
 Would you admit that the intellect of Bob Price is far
 superior to anybody else here?  You got what you deserved
 Unc.
 
 Bob Price would outwit Rama Lenz in an intellectual argument
 any day.
 
 Please don't fudge the issue at hand by calling him a troll.
 He isn't one. Everybody knows that.  I want you to look at
 him in the eye, and admit your error.
 
 
   Ann opines:
  
   Bob Prices' later post which I just read before
   bothering to respond to you is FUN. Maybe you
   better go and read that a few times, Pinocchio.
   Now that man can deliver and he often has his
   facts straight. You don't want to mess with him,
   and you know it. If you want to give me some
   real FUN, I would love to see you engage him
   one on one - go ahead, I really, really dare you.
  
  --- turquoiseb turquoiseb@ writes:
 
  Not gonna happen. Bob's a troll, and a grudge-
  holding one at that. If you're looking for
  someone to knock you out of the #2 Bitch position,
  he *is* a likely candidate, but I'm not gonna
  interact with him. If that's your idea of fun,
  you go for it. :-)

RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: The Theology of Breaking Bad

emptybill, some view Jesus and Christianity as a step in the evolution of 
religion. And a Pisces step at that. Agape. Unconditional love. Can seem sappy 
when compared to more robust expressions of love. OTOH, with regards to Adam 
and Eve there is a similar concept of oh happy fall. Meaning that if they had 
not fallen, Christ would not have incarnated. Still not as robust as Satan's 
willingness to be, out of his unconquerable love for God, separate from God FOR 
ALL ETERNITY. Surely he must know that God's embrace encompasses even that!





 From: emptyb...@yahoo.com emptyb...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 8:14 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: The Theology of Breaking Bad
 


  
C.S. Lewis' quote - blah, blah, I'm so bad ...

This is just an iteration of the old protestant/roman catholic
theology of sin, guilt, redemption ... o god, o god, I know 
I done wrong but (gulf, gulp, sweat, sweat) now I wanna 
change.

Such b.s. 

This distorted view of human nature/god's nature 
goes back to the sniveling confessions of Augustine of Hippo.

However the pride of the evil one was much more colorfully 
described by Milton in Paradise Lost. 

However, Paradise Lost is just another iteration of the old 
theology.

More interesting is the Sufi revelation ... that Lucifer fell from 
his exalted angelic station because he so ecstatically loved 
God that he refused God's command to bow down to God's 
own vicar ... the earthy Adam. 

The reason? He could worship no one other than his chosen 
deity, his Ishta Devatah ... yhvh. 

The consequence? Out of unconquerable love, he subsists
upon the last command of this true love  be gone!

The Sufi's insist this is a much closer to the truth of gnosis 
than the pathetic ... Won't you come to the weeping Jesus
in your wickedly defiled heart? ... You stinking pile of filth!

 



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:


In Mere Christianity, C.S. Lewis calls pride “The Great Sin” for it 
“has been the chief cause of misery in every nation and every family 
since the world began… it was through Pride that the devil became the 
devil: Pride leads to every other vice.” We see in Walter’s case that it 
is his pride—an unwillingness to accept normal treatment, a refusal to 
be a charity case even when faced with his own impending death—that 
starts him on the path toward manufacturing meth. Pride is the catalyst 
that leads to all of Walter’s other sins.

Read more:

'The Theology of Breaking Bad'
http://www.fare-forward.com/the-theology-of-breaking-bad/

RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods

[FairfieldLife] RE: Einstein For Dummies (was: On Being An Eagle)

[FairfieldLife] Get a job, was America the Beautiful


On 9/24/2013 8:05 AM, Mike Dixon wrote:
 Who's in charge of that and who decides who gets a job  and who goes
 on *leisure pay*?

It's all a matter of placement and positioning.

One day I met a guy who worked at Walmart.

The guy said he had worked in the U.S. Air Force for 22 years and then he
worked the night shift at the Post Office as a mail sorter for 20 years. 
So,

when he retired at age 63 he was already a double dipper - two retirement
pensions!

And now he was making $9.00 an hour as a part time Walmart door
greeter. Go figure.

Another guy I know got a job out there in the Eagle Ford Shale driving a
water truck for $18 an hour - and the truck had AC! He moved up to
heavy equipment operator at $23 an hour in a week.

A gal I know got a job out in China Grove waiting on tables at the Road
House in the Eagle Ford Shale - her cash tips are sometimes more than
$100 after serving breakfast from 6:00 AM to 11:00 AM.

Then she goes home to count her money and watch TV. LoL!

One guy I know sells cars for Tom Benson on the south side of town
and he sells GMC Sierras all day long - he can't keep them on the shelf.
He also said he sells least a couple of two ton trucks every week too.

The guy is driving a new Corvette!

On 9/24/2013 8:05 AM, Mike Dixon wrote:

Not sure what you're talking about here. What 100% pension are you 
talking about? SS was never meant to be a *pension*, it's a supplement 
to whatever savings and pension you were supposed to have worked for 
while paying into SS. Divvy up jobs? Who's in charge of that and who 
decides who gets a job and who goes on *leisure pay*? No longer enough 
full time jobs? Maybe we should ask why and what we can do to create 
them and what we have done to diminish them. Obamacare is a good 
example of why we are having fewer full time jobs. Work thirty hours 
or more and your employer has to provide insurance which they may or 
may not be able to afford. When 10-20 million people cross our 
boarders illegally because *all they want is a job*, can we say there 
aren't enough jobs to go around? Oh, I know, some jobs are just below 
our *dignity*. I remember a day when taking public assistance was 
below our dignity. If someone thinks they are too good for a certain 
kind of job that is available, maybe they just aught to have their ego 
busted so they can see just how valuable they really are.


*From:* Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net
*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Monday, September 23, 2013 5:21 PM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] America the Beautiful
Nothing wrong with Social Security.  But there is something wrong with 
foolishly promising people a pension that pays the same as when they 
were working.  What were they smoking when they did that?  it actually 
isn't feasible.  Times were booming and the idiots you elected 
(regardless of the aisle they sat on) made those promises.  The idea 
when you get older is you probably don't need and often want as much.  
You don't need a full pension.When there are no longer full time jobs 
for everyone then you have to divvy up the jobs.  But that won't work 
for employers.  So what are you going to do, Mike?  Tell people to 
crawl away and die? You know how that will go down.  They'll tell you 
to crawl away and die.On 09/23/2013 02:39 PM, Mike Dixon wrote:
We already have that *leisuresociety*. Ever heard of Social Security? 
You pay into  it for many years and at a certain age you get to join 
that leisure society,. Get paid for not working. Many people don't 
even have to pay into it.  Just have something wrong that prevents 
you from being able to work or just be the child of a parent that 
died and had paid into it. Heck, you can even be a single mother and 
have the government pay you to raise your kids. The government will 
find you a place to live , feed you and your kids, give you a phone, 
free medical care. There's an old saying, *if something is worth 
having, it's worth working for*. The work in this case is learning 
how to make do with a little.


*From:* Bhairitu mailto:noozg...@sbcglobal.net
*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

*Sent:* Monday, September 23, 2013 1:19 PM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] America the Beautiful
And the Fascist, I mean Repubicans, want us to work until we drop 
dead. Doing what? How would you like a near aspergers like former 
computer programmer waiting on you at Burger King?  At that there are 
not enough jobs for everybody.  I push the new leisure society where 
you pay people FOR NOT WORKING.  Sound upside down?  Bucky Fuller 
suggested this over 50 years ago. Also many people with retirement 
funds used them up after unemployment ran out while looking for a job 
in their field.  A friend who is a very competent software engineer 
and college professor found himself taking Social Security at age 67 
even though he wanted to wait until he could get the full amount at 
age 70. America ain't Beautiful anymore.  In

Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: The Theology of Breaking Bad

Judy, why is that? What are you confused about? Are your beliefs so set in 
stone?

 From: authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 10:04 AM
Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: The Theology of Breaking Bad

Share observed: 

emptybill, some view Jesus and Christianity as a step in the evolution of 
religion.

One truly doesn't know whether to laugh or cry.

[FairfieldLife] Setting up a Home Office

Lot's of professionals use Microsoft Office as their primary personal 
productivity tool.
Some people depend on Microsoft Word to make a living at work.  I've 
used MS Office

since 1994 when Windows 95 came out.

Now we've got a real home office equipped with workstations, scanners, 
printers, and
a fax machine. And, a broadband connection. On a cler day I can almost 
see the Eagle

Ford Shale. We are about a mile from George Straight's ranch.

We started out working for ScanCode using WordPerfect, Quattro Pro, and 
Paradox.
I still think WP is the perfect word processor. Later we switched over 
to MS and started

using MS Word, Outlook, and MS Access.

According to what I've read, the people at Oracle didn't want to pay 
Microsoft millions
to install MS Office on their 40,000 workstations, so they bought Sun 
and invented the

Oracle OpenOffice.

So we are trying out the Apache OpenOffice which is still a little 
buggy; and Google
QuickOffice, which is not the same thing as Google Docs. QuickOffice is 
nice and you

can get 10 GB of free storage space!

The only problem is that the Google app is located on the cloud, so 
you're dependent

on having a broadband connection. Go figure.

Apache OpenOffice:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/openofficeorg.mirror/reviews/

Google QuickOffice:
http://www.cbsnews.com/get-10gb-free-on-google-drive-with-quickoffice/ 
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505143_162-57604106/get-10gb-free-on-google-drive-with-quickoffice/

[FairfieldLife] RE: Enoch Soames - the time traveller

Re: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods

Judy, I don't know what you're talking about here. I thought the thread was 
about you obsessing on *if true* and ignoring all the great stuff Xeno wrote 
yesterday. What does turq have to do with it?! 

 From: authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 9:13 AM
Subject: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods

Barry is lying; everyone who has been following this knows he's lying. He knows 
they know he's lying. Even Share knows he's lying.

Somebody please explain to me what the point is. What does a person get out of 
lying when they know they aren't deceiving anybody? What do they get out of 
advertising that they're a liar, over and over again (six times, so far, in 
this case)? Why would they want to be known as a liar? And a  malicious liar, 
at that?

I've never understood this. What's the payoff?

(snip)

What you're missing is the delicious irony of all this.
The person who has called more people Liar! than 
anyone else in Internet history got peeved that anyone
would even infer such a thing about *her*, and threw
a tantrum. She declared that she would never have any
discussions with the offending person until he either
documented his inference or retracted it. He did 
neither, and in effect *thanked* her in advance for
no longer bothering him with her discussions.

She went fuckin' CRAZY, first backpedaling to claim
that her statement didn't mean that she couldn't 
comment on his posts, and then set forth to make
several posts in which she addressed him directly
and tried to provoke a reply, clearly an attempt at 
discussion. 

In other words, the person who *specializes* in 
calling other people liars on this forum PROVED
HERSELF TO BE A LIAR. 

I'd call that fun. You, caught up in your Mean
Girl crush on the only person on the forum bitchier
than you, can call it whatever you want. :-)

[FairfieldLife] The Way to Wisdom

The insights of Shakya the Muni, the historical Buddha, have been 
conveyed to us through the
minds of and writings of persons who interpreted the Middle Way as they 
understood it. It is
obvious that the practical applications of the Shakya's principles have 
been applied in ways that
he might not entirely approve.

A teaching is given from one level of consciousness; it is received on 
quite another. - MMY

When you analyze the TM technique with the main principle of the Shakya, 
namely simple
meditation, it is easy to see a parallel in the teaching.

The Shakya is reported to have said:

I call to mind how when the Sakyan my father was ploughing, I sat in 
the cool shade of the
rose-apple tree, remote from desires and ill conditions, and entered 
upon and abode in the First
Musing, that is accompanied by thought directed and sustained, which is 
born of solitude, full
of zestful ease. And then I said, 'Is this the Way to the Wisdom?' And 
on that occasion there
came to me the consciousness that follows thought composed, 'Yes, this 
is the Way to the
Wisdom.' - (M.N. i.242-1)

[FairfieldLife] RE: Enoch Soames - the time traveller

RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: The Theology of Breaking Bad

RE: Re: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods

[FairfieldLife] [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods

Just to reply for my grandfather's sake, not Bob's or #2 Bitch's :-),
he did work with Einstein, as did half of the theoretical physicists
in America, on the *theoretical* side of the physics involved in
the Manhattan Project. Neither of them were ever in New Mexico
to my knowledge, and neither ever worked on the practical side
of blowing people up. Their theoretical work was read and utilized
by the build-it guys. Which would have suited my grandfather
just fine, because he was a Quaker.  :-)

As for the Bobster, both Curtis and I wrote him off long ago, and
nothing he has posted since (the little of it I've skimmed, that is)
has convinced me that anything has changed. If he's you're idea
of an intellectual giant, I have even less respect for you than before.

As for your dreams of me, that's just fuckin' pathetic. I *never*
dream of anyone on FFL. I don't like interacting with many of
them on the physical plane, much less fucking up my dreams
with them.  :-)

Buh-bye...

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com
wrote:

Ann opines:

 Bob Prices' later post which I just read before
 bothering to respond to you is FUN. Maybe you
 better go and read that a few times, Pinocchio.
 Now that man can deliver and he often has his
 facts straight. You don't want to mess with him,
 and you know it. If you want to give me some
 real FUN, I would love to see you engage him
 one on one - go ahead, I really, really dare you.

Not gonna happen. Bob's a troll, and a grudge-
holding one at that. If you're looking for
someone to knock you out of the #2 Bitch position,
he *is* a likely candidate, but I'm not gonna
interact with him. If that's your idea of fun,
you go for it. :-)
Dear  Barry, I was afraid you were going to decline the opportunity to
engage  with Mr Price. Of course, I don't blame you. But I am in a
position of  safety because he is an official member of the MGC of
which I am also a  member so he has to be nice to  me but if I wasn't in
the same club I wouldn't take him up on any  intellectual or moral or
experiential challenges either. You are a wise  man, Barry; my advice is
to try and stay clear of Bob. He seems to be  one of those underhanded
types who does his research, can back it up and  is not afraid to let
you know when you've made an error. And he often  accompanies his
'corrections' with funny youtube videos to embellish his  point. All in
all a formidable character and if I'm not careful he will  probably try
and move his way into the top MG position of which I am  rather fond so
that would irk me a little if he were to usurp me in any  way.
Now,  if you change your mind about engagement with BP, I will be the
first  to congratulate you on your decision and I would love to purchase
front  row tickets. (BTW, I think you were a tad off base to have called
him a  troll. That term is just so, well, pedestrian.)
BTW,  I had a dream about you the night before last. You were rather
loving  in that dream although it did not involve sex. But you did
insist on  cuddling up to me and I was wondering if you were including
me in some  lucid dream experiment so I went along with it at the time.
Then, I  realized the time differences between our countries would not
have made  that likely (as likely as that scenario in the dream actually
was, which  wasn't very).

RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods

[FairfieldLife] RE: Setting up a Home Office

2013-09-24 Thread j_alexander_stanley

RE: Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: The Theology of Breaking Bad

Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: The Theology of Breaking Bad

Judy, since you're still confused, I'm asking what you meant by: one doesn't 
know whether to laugh or cry. 

 From: authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 10:31 AM
Subject: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: The Theology of Breaking Bad

Share struggled: 

Judy, why is that? What are you confused about?

I believe I said one doesn't know whether to laugh or cry.

Are your beliefs so set in stone?

Which beliefs would those be, Share?

 From: authfriend@... authfriend@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 10:04 AM
Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: The Theology of Breaking Bad

Share observed: 

emptybill, some view Jesus and Christianity as a step in the evolution of 
religion.

One truly doesn't know whether to laugh or cry.

RE: Re: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods

[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Enoch Soames - the time traveller

[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Enoch Soames - the time traveller

RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Theology of Breaking Bad

well turq, it turns out that Stephanie Meyers is a Mormon so maybe you are 
right about her attitude towards teen sex. I still appreciate its archetypal 
elements. Another one: the heroine torn between her immortal aspect as 
symbolized by the vampire and her animal aspect as symbolized by Jacob, the 
werewolf.





 From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 7:27 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Theology of Breaking Bad
 


  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:

 turq, I don't find the writing in the Twilight novels 
 that great. But I think it's a powerful retelling of 
 the archetypal story of love between an immortal and 
 a mortal, between God and human for us non atheists. 
 In this sense, it's a story of surrender and unity to 
 something greater than ourselves. Actually I think 
 most romantic love stories are, on the deepest level, 
 evoking the human yearning for unity with something 
 more complete than ourselves. Also with regards to 
 Twilight, perhaps a retelling of Beauty and the Beast, 
 another archetypal love story. Maybe it's not an 
 accident that the heroine is called Bella and the 
 hero Edward calls himself a monster. Hopefully the 
 archetypal aspects are also getting through to the 
 teen audiences.

I can hardly speak as an expert, having made my
way through the first novel only because someone
was begging me to. It was like pulling my own teeth.

I later found criticisms of it that echoed what I
was feeling as I read. FAR from archetypal or
mythic, I found it to be the literary counterpart
of those creepy clubs in high schools where they
talk guys and gals into wearing virginity rings.

It was the mindset of the 1950s, with vampires and
the dangers of getting close to them taking the 
place of the dangers of...uh...SEX. It was preaching 
sublimation, and resisting of natural desires, and 
trying to elevate those things as if they were noble 
and wonderful. I didn't feel that was an appropriate 
message for teenagers, so I wasn't a fan. 

But obviously, tastes vary. What surprises me about
the whole Twilight thang are the number of *older*
women who fixate on it. 

 
  From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 6:53 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Theology of Breaking Bad
 
 
 
 Â  
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
 
  Seraphita, I think both CS Lewis and the listener are right. 
  Continuing the food analogy, it's as if an essential nutrient 
  has been missing from the diet for a long time and now the 
  person is overindulging to make up for that deficit. But what 
  is the nutrient that's being so feverishly sought via the porn 
  industry? This helps me understand a little: my favorite 
  tantric teacher David Deida once said that to a straight man, 
  the female body is the most beautiful thing in the world. 
  Anyway, we women aren't hardwired the same visual way 
  but I think a parallel hunger in women shows up in the 
  popularity of romance novels and mushy love songs and 
  chick flicks. 
 
 As an example of the creative uses of context shifting I
 wrote about in my last post, this reminded me of a recent
 article quoting author Stephen King on the sad (in his eyes)
 popularity of tweenager porn.
 
 http://www.theguardian.com/books/2013/sep/21/stephen-king-twilight-tweenage-pornÂ
  
 
 I agree with him completely, at least about Twilight.

RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Theology of Breaking Bad

Jason, your comment about unisex dress code kind of jumped out at me as did 
your linking that to an egalitarian society. Actually I'm still kind of baffled 
by it so don't even know what to ask except: can you say more?

 From: Jason jedi_sp...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 8:14 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Theology of Breaking Bad

The Chinese philosophy which speaks of Yin-Yang, two equal 
energies mutually balancing each other is a far superior 
philosophy to western philosophy and certain aspects of 
indian philosophy.

Seience itself says that male and female are equals but 
different.

Yoga is essentialy balance, ie life within parameters.

Any society or culture that is imbalanced will eventually 
destroy itself.  Nature hates imbalances and always tries to 
reach an equilibrium.  I have always believed that an unisex 
dresscode in public spaces, is an important way to bring in 
a truly egalitarian society.

If a republic is small, it is destroyed by a foreign force; 
if it is large, it is destroyed by an internal vice.

~French philosopher, Montesquieu

 --- s3raphita s3raphita@.. wrote:

 Ah, yes! C.S. Lewis and Mere Christianity. The book was  
 originally a series of talks Lewis gave on BBC Radio in  
 the 1940s. At one point he brought up the delicate topic  
 of sex. Lewis maintained that in his youth he had been all 
 in favour of a naturalattitude towards sexual matters  
 but - he said - surely contemporary attitudes towards sex 
 were anything but natural. There was something  
 positively diseased about them. As an example, Lewis asked 
 us to consider a striptease show. What are we make of such 
 an exhibition? Well, he said, imagine you had arrived in a 
 strange country where you discovered that the inhabitants 
 were in the habit of paying to gather in front of a  
 display of food that was hidden from view. Then, slowly,  
 the appetising meal was revealed to the gaze of the  
 citizens. Wouldn't you then conclude that something had 
 gone seriously wrong with the appetites of the denizens of 
 this imaginary nation? Well, isn't the same true of our  
 attitudes towards sex? We have a diseased approach, he  
 concluded.

 A listener to the programme later wrote in to say: if I  
 came across a country such as you describe I would assume 
 that the people were starving. What a splendid response!  
 The implication being that men frequent strip shows  
 because they are sex-starved.

 Now take a look around you at the 24/7 porn culture we  
 inhabit. Was Lewis right or the anonymous listener? 

  --- Pundister punditster@... wrote:

  In Mere Christianity, C.S. Lewis calls pride 'The Great 
  Sin' for it 'has been the chief cause of misery in 
  every nation and every family since the world began'¦ it 
  was through Pride that the devil became the devil: Pride 
  leads to every other vice.' We see in Walter' case that 
  it is his pride' 'an unwillingness to accept normal 
  treatment, a refusal to be a charity case even when 
  faced with his own impending death' that starts him on  
  the path toward manufacturing meth. Pride is the  
  catalyst that leads to all of Walter's other sins.

  Read more:

  'The Theology of Breaking Bad'
  http://www.fare-forward.com/the-theology-of-breaking-bad/

[FairfieldLife] Re: On Being An Eagle


  Jason wrote:
 
  You state that Kelvin's statement is inherently
   self-invalidating?

 --- waspaligap waspaligap@.. wrote:

 Well, yes. He makes a claim (an epistemological claim).
 Let's call that claim K. According to K,  when you
 cannot express it (i.e. some claim) in precise
 mathematical  terms, your knowledge of it, is of a meagre
 and unsatisfactory kind.

 But as is obvious, K is not expressed in mathematical
 terms. From which it follows that according to K, K is of
 a meagre and unsatisfactory kind (whatever that means -
 but it seems unlikely to allow for K being true).

  If mathematics is the language of the universe, even
  that can't explain the Qualia aspect of the universe.
  Judy posted a youtube link on this a while back.

 I'd agree with you there.


  Which means Maths is a process and not the end in
  itself?

 I'm not sure what you mean. Does anyone think that Maths
 is an end in itself? However what does interest me very
 much is the mystery of mathematics. We live in an age of
 science. For many it is a substitute for religion. It's
 true that some sciences are more equal than others. So the
 iffy ones such as economics, climate science, and
 psychology bask in reflected glory from physics and
 chemistry. Yet the foundation of it all seems to be
 mathematics. But do we even know what mathematics is? What
 are mathematical discoveries? What are we discovering?
 Where does the necessity of mathematical truth come from?


  Could you rephrase Godel in a little more easier way?

 I doubt it! Godel's proof, like quantum indeterminacy,
 seems to point to something most peculiar, but no one can
 quite agree about what that is (or means). But perhaps we
 can just return to the logical positivists that were
 referred to earlier in the thread...

 I'd suggest that many folks who idealise science have in
 their mind some loose form of logical positivism (either
 explicit or implicit). Like this:

 Q: What makes science work?

 A: The experimental method

 Q: But why does the experimental method work?

 A: Because we test our theories against experience

 Q: What do you mean by experience?

 A: The evidence of our senses

 Q: What is sense data?

 A: The images in our brain

 Q: What other types of knowledge are there?

 A: That's all there is

 Q: So what about Logic and Mathematics? They're not sense
 data!

 A: They just describe the relations between the concepts
 and symbols we use to refer to sense data.

Thanks Paligap. Sorry for the delayed reply. My gardener who
worked for me for more than 15 years died. The very next day
a 27 year old widow with 3 small children arrived to work.
She is a total orphan with nobody in the world.  Her husband
died in a mining accident.

Anyway coming to the thread, Your point is brilliant. So
Logic and Mathematics are both abstract intangibles. They
only describe the relationship between concepts and symbol.

I remember physicist Max Tegmark stating that at the most
fundamental level, there are only numbers. Does that mean
the unified field is something intangible?  Nirguna means
no qualities whatsoever.

Would you call Buddhism, a 'solipsistic reductionism' or
lets say 'nihilistic reductionism'?



 The trouble with this idea is that the work of Russell and
 Frege in the twentieth century seemed to show that
 mathematics could not be reduced to logic (simple,
 self-evident tautologies). Furthermore, maths seems to
 result in bizarre, counter-intuitive discoveries (such
 as Cantor's proof that some infinities are larger than
 others). So the point of Godel is that he appears to add
 more spice to this pot with his incompleteness theorem.

 If Cantor's discovery does not come from the evidence of
 his (our) senses, and if it doesn't simply represent the
 manipulation of self-evident axioms. what on earth's going
 on?

 Mysterianism rules!

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Theology of Breaking Bad

Now this is funny- a guy thinks a Twilight book is about sex between 
werewolves.


Go figure.

If you enjoyed the Twilight movies you may want to check out AMC's The 
Walking Dead.


Based on the comic book series of the same name, AMC's The Walking Dead 
tells the
story of a small group of survivors living in the aftermath of a zombie 
apocalypse. A

Golden Globe Award for Best Television Series, Drama.

The series follows a group of survivors, led by police officer Rick 
Grimes, who are traveling
in search of a safe and secure home. However, instead of the zombies, it 
is the living who

remain that truly become the walking dead.

And guess what - The Walking Dead is not about zombies at all. LoL!

Read more:

'At AMC, Zombies Topple Network TV'
New York Times:
http://www.nytimes.com/ 
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/04/business/media/walking-dead-helps-solidify-amcs-ratings-success.html?pagewanted=all_r=0


'The Walking Dead,' Like All Zombie Stories: ... Not About Zombies at All'
The Atlantic:
http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/ 
http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2012/11/the-walking-dead-like-all-zombie-stories-not-about-zombies-at-all/265549/


On 9/24/2013 7:27 AM, turquoiseb wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:

 turq, I don't find the writing in the Twilight novels
 that great. But I think it's a powerful retelling of
 the archetypal story of love between an immortal and
 a mortal, between God and human for us non atheists.
 In this sense, it's a story of surrender and unity to
 something greater than ourselves. Actually I think
 most romantic love stories are, on the deepest level,
 evoking the human yearning for unity with something
 more complete than ourselves. Also with regards to
 Twilight, perhaps a retelling of Beauty and the Beast,
 another archetypal love story. Maybe it's not an
 accident that the heroine is called Bella and the
 hero Edward calls himself a monster. Hopefully the
 archetypal aspects are also getting through to the
 teen audiences.

I can hardly speak as an expert, having made my
way through the first novel only because someone
was begging me to. It was like pulling my own teeth.

I later found criticisms of it that echoed what I
was feeling as I read. FAR from archetypal or
mythic, I found it to be the literary counterpart
of those creepy clubs in high schools where they
talk guys and gals into wearing virginity rings.

It was the mindset of the 1950s, with vampires and
the dangers of getting close to them taking the
place of the dangers of...uh...SEX. It was preaching
sublimation, and resisting of natural desires, and
trying to elevate those things as if they were noble
and wonderful. I didn't feel that was an appropriate
message for teenagers, so I wasn't a fan.

But obviously, tastes vary. What surprises me about
the whole Twilight thang are the number of *older*
women who fixate on it.

 
 From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 6:53 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Theology of Breaking Bad



 Â
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote:
 
  Seraphita, I think both CS Lewis and the listener are right.
  Continuing the food analogy, it's as if an essential nutrient
  has been missing from the diet for a long time and now the
  person is overindulging to make up for that deficit. But what
  is the nutrient that's being so feverishly sought via the porn
  industry? This helps me understand a little: my favorite
  tantric teacher David Deida once said that to a straight man,
  the female body is the most beautiful thing in the world.
  Anyway, we women aren't hardwired the same visual way
  but I think a parallel hunger in women shows up in the
  popularity of romance novels and mushy love songs and
  chick flicks.

 As an example of the creative uses of context shifting I
 wrote about in my last post, this reminded me of a recent
 article quoting author Stephen King on the sad (in his eyes)
 popularity of tweenager porn.

 
http://www.theguardian.com/books/2013/sep/21/stephen-king-twilight-tweenage-pornÂ 



 I agree with him completely, at least about Twilight.

Re: [FairfieldLife] America the Beautiful

Ah, Richard, thank you and  I LOVE LOVE LOVE that bit from Isha Upanishad 
expecially: one should enjoy it with renunciation. So yin/yang, so 
Shiva/Shakti, so light and shadow, etc.

 From: Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com
To: Richard J. Williams FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 7:54 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] America the Beautiful

On 9/23/2013 7:21 PM, Bhairitu wrote:
 The idea when you get older is you probably don't need and
  often want as 
 much...

It's called 'down-shifting' - going back to the basics. All my
  life I've been doing
the up-shifting. This is the mime speaking.

That's what I'm going to do - sell almost everything, the cars,
  houses and the 
boat, and move to the country. Live the simple life. Downshifting
  - a move away
from materialism towards a simpler, more fulfilling life!

According to Suma Varughese, downshifting also known as simple
  living or 
voluntary simplicity, is a path I want to take, away from the
  land of the 
shopping mall.

The only thing we can do to downshift is to reduce our own wants
  and cut loose 
from the consumerist trap. What has already been seen to be the
  route to
individual happiness also becomes the route to that of the
  environment. 

Some adopt the devotional approach. Nothing is ours, for all is
  God's according 
to Swami Shantanand Saraswati,  'The Man Who Wanted to Meet God': 

The Isha Upanishad says that the universe is permeated by the
  Absolute. 
Whatever one sees in creation, whatever moves one should use it
  fully and enjoy
this absolute everywhere, but one should enjoy it with
  renunciation. One should 
not try to hold it or covet it. One need not try to possess it. 

Enjoy it and give it up.

http://www.lifepositive.com/writers/Suma_Varughese.asp

Nothing wrong with Social Security.  But there is something wrong with 
foolishly promising people a pension that pays the same as when they were 
working.  What were they smoking when they did that?  it actually isn't 
feasible.  Times were booming and the idiots you elected (regardless of the 
aisle they sat on) made those promises.  The idea when you get older is you 
probably don't need and often want as much.  You don't need a full pension.

When there are no longer full time jobs for everyone then
  you have to divvy up the jobs.  But that won't work for
  employers.  So what are you going to do, Mike?  Tell
  people to crawl away and die?  You know how that will go
  down.  They'll tell you to crawl away and die.

On 09/23/2013 02:39 PM, Mike Dixon wrote:

We already have that *leisure society*. Ever heard of Social Security? You 
pay into  it for many years and at a certain age you get to join that leisure 
society,. Get paid for not working. Many people don't even have to pay into 
it.  Just have something wrong that prevents you from being able to work or 
just be the child of a parent that died and had paid into it. Heck, you can 
even be a single mother and have the government pay you to raise your kids. 
The government will find you a place to live , feed you and your kids, give 
you a phone, free medical care. There's an old saying, *if something is worth 
having, it's worth working for*. The work in this case is learning how to 
make do with a little.

From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 1:19 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] America the Beautiful

And the Fascist, I mean Repubicans, want us to work until we drop dead. Doing 
what?  How would you like a near aspergers like former computer programmer 
waiting on you at Burger King?  At that there are not enough jobs for 
everybody.  I push the new leisure society where you pay people FOR NOT 
WORKING.  Sound upside down?  Bucky Fuller suggested this over 50 years ago. 
Also many people with retirement funds used them up after unemployment ran 
out while looking for a job in their field.  A friend who is a very competent 
software engineer and college professor found himself taking Social Security 
at age 67 even though he wanted to wait until he could get the full amount at 
age 70. America ain't Beautiful anymore.  In fact it sucks. On 09/23/2013 
12:46 PM, turquoiseb wrote:

A Christian nation:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-09-23/why-100-000-salary-may-yield-retirement-flipping-burgers.html

Re: Re: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods

2013-09-24 Thread Emily Reyn

Ann, I thought about informing Share why her statement below is nonsense, 
backing it up with documentation, making her mad by using the acronym IMHO, but 
I'm going to start the day off on a different tack and say a little prayer for 
her.  I am thrilled however, Ann, that Barry said buh bye, if even for a day. 
He sounded like he was about to wet his pants.  Bless you.  

 From: awoelfleba...@yahoo.com awoelfleba...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 8:36 AM
Subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

Judy, I don't know what you're talking about here. I thought the thread was 
about you obsessing on *if true* and ignoring all the great stuff Xeno wrote 
yesterday. What does turq have to do with it?! 

Oh dear Share, I think I noticed that there is another CD caught in your 
player. Maybe you should attend to that for the time being; you had some 
success yesterday extricating the one that was stuck. Maybe that or join the 
folks for some bananagrams at Revelations. Emily?

 From: authfriend@... authfriend@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 9:13 AM
Subject: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods

Barry is lying; everyone who has been following this knows he's lying. He knows 
they know he's lying. Even Share knows he's lying.

Somebody please explain to me what the point is. What does a person get out of 
lying when they know they aren't deceiving anybody? What do they get out of 
advertising that they're a liar, over and over again (six times, so far, in 
this case)? Why would they want to be known as a liar? And a  malicious liar, 
at that?

I've never understood this. What's the payoff?

(snip)

What you're missing is the delicious irony of all this.
The person who has called more people Liar! than 
anyone else in Internet history got peeved that anyone
would even infer such a thing about *her*, and threw
a tantrum. She declared that she would never have any
discussions with the offending person until he either
documented his inference or retracted it. He did 
neither, and in effect *thanked* her in advance for
no longer bothering him with her discussions.

She went fuckin' CRAZY, first backpedaling to claim
that her statement didn't mean that she couldn't 
comment on his posts, and then set forth to make
several posts in which she addressed him directly
and tried to provoke a reply, clearly an attempt at 
discussion. 

In other words, the person who *specializes* in 
calling other people liars on this forum PROVED
HERSELF TO BE A LIAR. 

I'd call that fun. You, caught up in your Mean
Girl crush on the only person on the forum bitchier
than you, can call it whatever you want. :-)

Re: [FairfieldLife] The Way to Wisdom

Richard, zestful ease reminds me of you know what: restful alertness. (-:

 From: Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com
To: Richard J. Williams FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 10:30 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] The Way to Wisdom

The insights of Shakya the Muni, the historical Buddha, have been 
conveyed to us through the
minds of and writings of persons who interpreted the Middle Way as they 
understood it. It is
obvious that the practical applications of the Shakya's principles have 
been applied in ways that
he might not entirely approve.

A teaching is given from one level of consciousness; it is received on 
quite another. - MMY

When you analyze the TM technique with the main principle of the Shakya, 
namely simple
meditation, it is easy to see a parallel in the teaching.

The Shakya is reported to have said:

I call to mind how when the Sakyan my father was ploughing, I sat in 
the cool shade of the
rose-apple tree, remote from desires and ill conditions, and entered 
upon and abode in the First
Musing, that is accompanied by thought directed and sustained, which is 
born of solitude, full
of zestful ease. And then I said, 'Is this the Way to the Wisdom?' And 
on that occasion there
came to me the consciousness that follows thought composed, 'Yes, this 
is the Way to the
Wisdom.' - (M.N. i.242-1)

RE: Re: Re: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods

Re: [FairfieldLife] America the Beautiful

Typical Tea Partier thinking on your part Mike. Why do you buy that
bullshit? First off the problems that governments especially on state
and city levels are having is due to promising their employees pensions
at a full pay when they retire. No pensions are NOT SS but I would have
assumed you would have gotten that and had been paying attention to the
pensions promised during boom times to police and fire fighters as an
example. I've read posts from people who got those pensions thinking it
was nice to have but really not that necessary. In reality it turns out
the governments can't pay them.

You know I don't like Obamacare either but for a different reason than
you. It wound up being a big handout to the insurance bandits er
companies. I wanted Single Payer just like other countries have. But
nooo, we can't have that, it's commooonism. There is no lack of
stupid people in the US.

On 09/24/2013 06:05 AM, Mike Dixon wrote:
Not sure what you're talking about here. What 100% pension are you
talking about? SS was never meant to be a *pension*, it's a supplement
to whatever savings and pension you were supposed to have worked for
while paying into SS. Divvy up jobs? Who's in charge of that and who
decides who gets a job and who goes on *leisure pay*? No longer enough
full time jobs? Maybe we should ask why and what we can do to create
them and what we have done to diminish them. Obamacare is a good
example of why we are having fewer full time jobs. Work thirty hours
or more and your employer has to provide insurance which they may or
may not be able to afford. When 10-20 million people cross our
boarders illegally because *all they want is a job*, can we say there
aren't enough jobs to go around? Oh, I know, some jobs are just below
our *dignity*. I remember a day when taking public assistance was
below our dignity. If someone thinks they are too good for a certain
kind of job that is available, maybe they just aught to have their ego
busted so they can see just how valuable they really are.

*From:* Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net
*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Monday, September 23, 2013 5:21 PM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] America the Beautiful
Nothing wrong with Social Security. But there is something wrong with
foolishly promising people a pension that pays the same as when they
were working. What were they smoking when they did that? it actually
isn't feasible. Times were booming and the idiots you elected
(regardless of the aisle they sat on) made those promises. The idea
when you get older is you probably don't need and often want as much.
You don't need a full pension.When there are no longer full time jobs
for everyone then you have to divvy up the jobs. But that won't work
for employers. So what are you going to do, Mike? Tell people to
crawl away and die? You know how that will go down. They'll tell you
to crawl away and die.On 09/23/2013 02:39 PM, Mike Dixon wrote:
We already have that *leisuresociety*. Ever heard of Social Security?
You pay into it for many years and at a certain age you get to join
that leisure society,. Get paid for not working. Many people don't
even have to pay into it. Just have something wrong that prevents
you from being able to work or just be the child of a parent that
died and had paid into it. Heck, you can even be a single mother and
have the government pay you to raise your kids. The government will
find you a place to live , feed you and your kids, give you a phone,
free medical care. There's an old saying, *if something is worth
having, it's worth working for*. The work in this case is learning
how to make do with a little.

*From:* Bhairitu mailto:noozg...@sbcglobal.net
*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

*Sent:* Monday, September 23, 2013 1:19 PM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] America the Beautiful
And the Fascist, I mean Repubicans, want us to work until we drop
dead. Doing what? How would you like a near aspergers like former
computer programmer waiting on you at Burger King? At that there are
not enough jobs for everybody. I push the new leisure society where
you pay people FOR NOT WORKING. Sound upside down? Bucky Fuller
suggested this over 50 years ago. Also many people with retirement
funds used them up after unemployment ran out while looking for a job
in their field. A friend who is a very competent software engineer
and college professor found himself taking Social Security at age 67
even though he wanted to wait until he could get the full amount at
age 70. America ain't Beautiful anymore. In fact it sucks. On
09/23/2013 12:46 PM, turquoiseb wrote:
A Christian
nation:http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-09-23/why-100-000-salary-may-yield-retirement-flipping-burgers.html

[FairfieldLife] RE: The Theology of Breaking Bad

Re: [FairfieldLife] The Many Ways the Government Is Spying On Us

The movie The Reluctant Fundmentalist that I mentioned here the other 
day charactarizes quite well the government goons who want to spy on 
what.  These people are dumber than doughnuts.  Stand up to them!  I 
would think anyone here could probably fuck up their minds quite well. 
Always question authority.  We pay the taxes that pay these peoples 
salaries.


By all rights we should be spying on them!

On 09/23/2013 06:31 PM, emptyb...@yahoo.com wrote:



  The Many Ways the Government Is Spying On Us
  http://www.infowars.com/the-many-ways-the-government-is-spying-on-us/

 *

http://www.infowars.com/the-many-ways-the-government-is-spying-on-us/print/
The Alex Jones Channel
http://www.youtube.com/user/TheAlexJonesChannel Alex Jones Show
podcast http://xml.nfowars.net/Alex.rss 
Infowars.com Twitter http://twitter.com/realalexjones   Alex
Jones' Facebook http://www.facebook.com/AlexanderEmerickJones
Infowars store http://www.infowarsshop.com/

The Government Is Spying On Us Through Our Computers, Phones, Cars, 
Buses, Streetlights, At Airports And On The Street, Via Mobile 
Scanners And Drones, Through Our Smart Meters, And In Many Other Ways



http://www.infowars.com/the-many-ways-the-government-is-spying-on-us/

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Theology of Breaking Bad


Share, discrimination, bias, prejudices continue to exist on
very subtle levels.  There are invisible glass ceilings.  It
can take generations to wipe them out.

An unisex dress code (specialy for children) in public
spaces, I believe can play a role in creating a truly
egalitarian society.


 --- sharelong60 sharelong60@.. wrote:

 Jason, your comment about unisex dress code kind of jumped
 out at me as did your linking that to an egalitarian
 society. Actually I'm still kind of baffled by it so don't
 even know what to ask except: can you say more?

  From: Jason jedi_spock@...
 
  The Chinese philosophy which speaks of Yin-Yang, two
  equal energies mutually balancing each other is a far
  superior philosophy to western philosophy and certain
  aspects of indian philosophy.
 
  Science itself says that male and female are equals but
  different.
 
  Yoga is essentialy balance, ie life within parameters.
 
  Any society or culture that is imbalanced will
  eventually destroy itself.  Nature hates imbalances and
  always tries to reach an equilibrium.  I have always
  believed that an unisex dresscode in public spaces, is
  an important way to bring in a truly egalitarian
  society.
 
  If a republic is small, it is destroyed by a foreign
  force; if it is large, it is destroyed by an internal
  vice.
 
  ~French philosopher, Montesquieu
 

--- s3raphita s3raphita@.. wrote:
  
   Ah, yes! C.S. Lewis and Mere Christianity. The book was
   originally a series of talks Lewis gave on BBC Radio in
   the 1940s. At one point he brought up the delicate topic
   of sex. Lewis maintained that in his youth he had been all
   in favour of a naturalattitude towards sexual matters
   but - he said - surely contemporary attitudes towards sex
   were anything but natural. There was something
   positively diseased about them. As an example, Lewis asked
   us to consider a striptease show. What are we make of such
   an exhibition? Well, he said, imagine you had arrived in a
   strange country where you discovered that the inhabitants
   were in the habit of paying to gather in front of a
   display of food that was hidden from view. Then, slowly,
   the appetising meal was revealed to the gaze of the
   citizens. Wouldn't you then conclude that something had
   gone seriously wrong with the appetites of the denizens of
   this imaginary nation? Well, isn't the same true of our
   attitudes towards sex? We have a diseased approach, he
   concluded.
  
   A listener to the programme later wrote in to say: if I
   came across a country such as you describe I would assume
   that the people were starving. What a splendid response!
   The implication being that men frequent strip shows
   because they are sex-starved.
  
   Now take a look around you at the 24/7 porn culture we
   inhabit. Was Lewis right or the anonymous listener?



  --- Pundister punditster@... wrote:
 
  In Mere Christianity, C.S. Lewis calls pride 'The Great
  Sin' for it 'has been the chief cause of misery in
  every nation and every family since the world began'Â¦ it
  was through Pride that the devil became the devil: Pride
  leads to every other vice.' We see in Walter' case that
  it is his pride' 'an unwillingness to accept normal
  treatment, a refusal to be a charity case even when
  faced with his own impending death' that starts him on
  the path toward manufacturing meth. Pride is the
  catalyst that leads to all of Walter's other sins.
 
  Read more:
 
  'The Theology of Breaking Bad'
  http://www.fare-forward.com/the-theology-of-breaking-bad/

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Setting up a Home Office

I had Libre Office on this build of Ubuntu Studio but it was weaker than 
Open Office.  I needed to test Word documents that I was generating via 
code and Libre was ignoring some of the Rich Text formatting codes.  
Open Office didn't.  But to get Open Office to work you have to 
completely uninstall Libre Office.  Word in its many frustrating 
incarnations has at least three different file formats: the original 
Rich Text, XML and XAML.



On 09/24/2013 08:39 AM, j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com wrote:


There's also LibreOffice:


http://www.libreoffice.org/


I have no idea how it compares with other office suites. I only use it 
to open the very occasional office-type file that comes my way, and it 
has always worked fine.




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com 
wrote:


Lot's of professionals use Microsoft Office as their primary personal 
productivity tool.
Some people depend on Microsoft Word to make a living at work.  I've 
used MS Office

since 1994 when Windows 95 came out.

Now we've got a real home office equipped with workstations, scanners, 
printers, and
a fax machine. And, a broadband connection. On a cler day I can almost 
see the Eagle

Ford Shale. We are about a mile from George Straight's ranch.

We started out working for ScanCode using WordPerfect, Quattro Pro, 
and Paradox.
I still think WP is the perfect word processor. Later we switched over 
to MS and started

using MS Word, Outlook, and MS Access.

According to what I've read, the people at Oracle didn't want to pay 
Microsoft millions
to install MS Office on their 40,000 workstations, so they bought Sun 
and invented the

Oracle OpenOffice.

So we are trying out the Apache OpenOffice which is still a little 
buggy; and Google
QuickOffice, which is not the same thing as Google Docs. QuickOffice 
is nice and you

can get 10 GB of free storage space!

The only problem is that the Google app is located on the cloud, so 
you're dependent

on having a broadband connection. Go figure.

Apache OpenOffice:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/openofficeorg.mirror/reviews/

Google QuickOffice:
http://www.cbsnews.com/get-10gb-free-on-google-drive-with-quickoffice/ 
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505143_162-57604106/get-10gb-free-on-google-drive-with-quickoffice/

Re: Re: Re: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods

Obbajee, I'm here but I've been avoiding the temptation to ask you for juicy 
details about Rahu/Sani with Shukra thrown in the mix. Surely you knew what 
THAT combo could indicate?! Guess it depends on which graha is graced by said 
combustible combo LOL. For a Libra lagna it's meant walking pneumonia with 
cough. Go figure!





 From: obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 11:04 AM
Subject: RE: Re: Re: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods
 


  
IMHO, for which I have an IMHO, Barry is wet dreaming and he also cannot 
control who he dreams about even when he tries to google avatars and images on 
google to attempt the guess to what the girls look like who post here on FFL. 
IMHO and ROTFLMAO TMI and other acronyms I think Share loves to play and enjoys 
the attention here on FFL, IMHO.
Nice to see Emily, and I am getting used to this and may miss a subject from 
time to time or when I see fit, whichever happens. Takes me a bit to get back 
into this writing form, so I apologize for typos. Although you all are used to 
it. :)  
IMHO.
Where is my Share bear?

 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:


Ann, I thought about informing Share why her statement below is nonsense, 
backing it up with documentation, making her mad by using the acronym IMHO, but 
I'm going to start the day off on a different tack and say a little prayer for 
her.  I am thrilled however, Ann, that Barry said buh bye, if even for a day. 
He sounded like he was about to wet his pants.  Bless you.  



 From: awoelflebater@... awoelflebater@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 8:36 AM
Subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods
 


  
 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:


Judy, I don't know what you're talking about here. I thought the thread was 
about you obsessing on *if true* and ignoring all the great stuff Xeno wrote 
yesterday. What does turq have to do with it?! 

Oh dear Share, I think I noticed that there is another CD caught in your 
player. Maybe you should attend to that for the time being; you had some 
success yesterday extricating the one that was stuck. Maybe that or join the 
folks for some bananagrams at Revelations. Emily?





 From: authfriend@... authfriend@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 9:13 AM
Subject: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods
 


  
Barry is lying; everyone who has been following this knows he's lying. He knows 
they know he's lying. Even Share knows he's lying.

Somebody please explain to me what the point is. What does a person get out of 
lying when they know they aren't deceiving anybody? What do they get out of 
advertising that they're a liar, over and over again (six times, so far, in 
this case)? Why would they want to be known as a liar? And a  malicious liar, 
at that?

I've never understood this. What's the payoff?

(snip)

What you're missing is the delicious irony of all this.
The person who has called more people Liar! than 
anyone else in Internet history got peeved that anyone
would even infer such a thing about *her*, and threw
a tantrum. She declared that she would never have any
discussions with the offending person until he either
documented his inference or retracted it. He did 
neither, and in effect *thanked* her in advance for
no longer bothering him with her discussions.

She went fuckin' CRAZY, first backpedaling to claim
that her statement didn't mean that she couldn't 
comment on his posts, and then set forth to make
several posts in which she addressed him directly
and tried to provoke a reply, clearly an attempt at 
discussion. 

In other words, the person who *specializes* in 
calling other people liars on this forum PROVED
HERSELF TO BE A LIAR. 


I'd call that fun. You, caught up in your Mean
Girl crush on the only person on the forum bitchier
than you, can call it whatever you want. :-)

RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: The Theology of Breaking Bad

Re: [FairfieldLife] Projecting (Re: Surviving Whole Foods)

Very bad, turq. According to FFL Editor, you're supposed to say THE HuffPost! 
Faite attention, s'il vous plait!

 From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 7:18 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Projecting (Re: Surviving Whole Foods)

snip

I posted a link to a funny article in

HuffPost about Whole Foods. Only a few people
here commented (thanks) on how funny it was. 

Instead, within six posts Judy had adopted 
an argumentative tone in a thread about a 
funny article, and within eleven posts she
was calling someone a liar. At last count 
there were 137 posts in the thread, *most* 
of them about the tempest in a pisspot she 
created and then refused to let die. 

Can you say shifting context? Can you say
Doing it for your own petty, self-serving
reasons? I think you can.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Theology of Breaking Bad

Richard, get this, which I am not making up: I first watched Twilight around 
the same time my landlords started making garlic infused oil in the third 
apartment of the house! Ok, I'm gonna do some research on Walking Dead because 
it definitely sounds like a very cool theme even though generally I'm not into 
horror shows. I think Twilight is tame compared to most. 





 From: Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com
To: Richard J. Williams FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Theology of Breaking Bad
 


  
Now this is funny- a guy thinks a Twilight book is about sex between 
werewolves. 

Go figure.

If you enjoyed the Twilight movies you may want to check out AMC's
  The Walking Dead.

Based on the comic book series of the same name, AMC's The Walking
  Dead tells the 
story of a small group of survivors living in the aftermath of a
  zombie apocalypse. A
Golden Globe Award for Best Television Series, Drama.

The series follows a group of survivors, led by police officer
  Rick Grimes, who are traveling
in search of a safe and secure home. However, instead of the
  zombies, it is the living who 
remain that truly become the walking dead.

And guess what - The Walking Dead is not about zombies at all.
  LoL!

Read more:

'At AMC, Zombies Topple Network TV'
New York Times:
http://www.nytimes.com/

'The Walking Dead,' Like All Zombie Stories: ... Not About Zombies
  at All'
The Atlantic:
http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/

On 9/24/2013 7:27 AM, turquoiseb wrote:

  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:

 turq, I don't find the writing in the Twilight novels 
 that great. But I think it's a powerful retelling of 
 the archetypal story of love between an immortal and 
 a mortal, between God and human for us non atheists. 
 In this sense, it's a story of surrender and unity to 
 something greater than ourselves. Actually I think 
 most romantic love stories are, on the deepest level, 
 evoking the human yearning for unity with something 
 more complete than ourselves. Also with regards to 
 Twilight, perhaps a retelling of Beauty and the
  Beast, 
 another archetypal love story. Maybe it's not an 
 accident that the heroine is called Bella and the 
 hero Edward calls himself a monster. Hopefully the 
 archetypal aspects are also getting through to the 
 teen audiences.

I can hardly speak as an expert, having made my
way through the first novel only because someone
was begging me to. It was like pulling my own teeth.

I later found criticisms of it that echoed what I
was feeling as I read. FAR from archetypal or
mythic, I found it to be the literary counterpart
of those creepy clubs in high schools where they
talk guys and gals into wearing virginity rings.

It was the mindset of the 1950s, with vampires and
the dangers of getting close to them taking the 
place of the dangers of...uh...SEX. It was preaching 
sublimation, and resisting of natural desires, and 
trying to elevate those things as if they were noble 
and wonderful. I didn't feel that was an appropriate 
message for teenagers, so I wasn't a fan. 

But obviously, tastes vary. What surprises me about
the whole Twilight thang are the number of *older*
women who fixate on it. 

 
 From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 6:53 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Theology of Breaking
  Bad
 
 
 
 Â  
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote:
 
  Seraphita, I think both CS Lewis and the
  listener are right. 
  Continuing the food analogy, it's as if an
  essential nutrient 
  has been missing from the diet for a long time
  and now the 
  person is overindulging to make up for that
  deficit. But what 
  is the nutrient that's being so feverishly
  sought via the porn 
  industry? This helps me understand a little: my
  favorite 
  tantric teacher David Deida once said that to a
  straight man, 
  the female body is the most beautiful thing in
  the world. 
  Anyway, we women aren't hardwired the same
  visual way 
  but I think a parallel hunger in women shows up
  in the 
  popularity of romance novels and mushy love
  songs and 
  chick flicks. 
 
 As an example of the creative uses of context
  shifting I
 wrote about in my last post, this reminded me of a
  recent
 article quoting author Stephen King on the sad (in
  his eyes)
 popularity of tweenager porn.
 
 http://www.theguardian.com/books/2013/sep/21/stephen-king-twilight-tweenage-pornÂ
  
 
 I agree with him completely, at least about
  Twilight.

[FairfieldLife] TV for third graders

Last night was the debut of a couple broadcast network TV shows. One was 
Hostage starring Toni Collette and Dylan McDermott and produced by 
showrunner Jerry Bruckheimer (CSI).   You'd think with all the trouble 
the networks are having with their shows they'd get better writers.  
This thing seemed to be written for third graders. Does Bruckheimer 
think they stay up that late? It's a limited series and may wind up 
more limited than planned.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Projecting (Re: Surviving Whole Foods)


On 9/24/2013 5:17 AM, Jason wrote:
 Judy, it's precisely this kind of statements you make that I
 and WillyTex were refering to...

Well, I'm glad to see that someone is on the Judy-Barry case!

And, I can tell you that we're dealing with some of the strangest
behavior patterns on the internet. Sometimes I think I'm on 4Chan
instead of on Yahoo FFL. Go figure.

The history of these two, Judy and Barry, are legend by now -
famous for fifteen minutes on the internet.

Barry wrote: Willy, since fucking prairie dogs or whatever you
do with your time doesn't seem to fill enough of it lately...

Clever!

But, just for the record, Judy called me a 'liar' in a post on
Usenet concerning Bush's overall approval rating in a Gallup
poll that I cited. She either would not or could not admit that
my citation was accurate, even to the point of ignoring a
screen-shot of the data that I posted to my Website.

When I demanded an apology, she called me a slime ball or
something to that effect. In one post she referred to me as a
'molusk'.

Apparently Judy isn't not one of my biggest fans. LoL!

Other than that, you could count on one hand the number of
conversations I've had with Ms Stein  or Mr. Wright.

For about four years, from 1999-2003, Judy studiously avoided
addressing me, as if I was a non-person or something.

I've probably posted about 10,000 messages to Usenet, the
vast majority of them on topic. Its only during an election that
I've posted many OT political observations or news citations.

At some point, I realized that Judy has a very serious problem
with conservative political ideology, which far outweighs any
collaboration with others to defend Mr. Varma. Go figure.

That said, she's most often spot-on in her comments on TM and
TM practice, the subject of this forum. So, I like to give credit
where credit is due.

As for Barry, he still hasn't explained the Rama levitation event.

Hey! How many posts do you have to submit to this list anyway,
before you're not considered a troll? Go figure.

On 9/24/2013 5:17 AM, Jason wrote:



Judy, it's precisely this kind of statements you make that I
and WillyTex were refering to.

To put it bluntly, you are abrasive.

If you had diplomacy, if you let the conversations flow in a
natural and fluid way, you would be certainly a brilliant
poster. As Xeno pointed out, you as much as Barry, shift
contexts in arguments.

Barry is an emotional psychopath, and an emotional sadist.

You, on the other hand is an intellectual psychopath.

Ravi told a plain lie to Curtis that he bought drink to a
minor. You tried to justifiy it by saying, Curtis was
projecting.

_http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/300480
_
_http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/300544_



 --- authfriend authfriend@.. wrote:

 Good lord, (E)hare, don't humiliate yourself by invoking
 Mr. Spock's logic. You wouldn't recognize logic if it
 stuck its fingers up your nose.

  --- sharelong60 sharelong60@... wrote:
 
  (D)udy, you told ME not to waste YOUR time! Duh! How can
  I  possibly waste YOUR time?! As Spock would say: your
  logic is weak.
 
   From: authfriend@... authfriend@...
  
   Share tried a blather instead of a blither:
  
   I have no control over which posts of mine you read,
   Judy, ergo I have no control over how you spend your
   time on FFL.
  
   I don't believe I said you did, Share.
  
   What you do have control over is whether you ask
   stupid questions.
  
   Oh, wait...

RE: Re: Re: Re: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods

[FairfieldLife] Re: TV for third graders

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote:

 Last night was the debut of a couple broadcast network TV 
 shows. One was Hostage starring Toni Collette and Dylan 
 McDermott and produced by showrunner Jerry Bruckheimer 
 (CSI). You'd think with all the trouble the networks 
 are having with their shows they'd get better writers.  

Why? Look at the posters people on this forum think
are intellectual giants. Based on that, I'd suspect
that writing to the third-grade level may be aiming
too high.  :-)

Seriously, thanks for the heads-up and the thumbs-down.
I won't bother. Breaking Bad seems to be one of the
rare exceptions; I will miss it. I *won't* miss Dexter.

[FairfieldLife] American Surrogate Mothers Wanted

2013-09-24 Thread jr_esq

[FairfieldLife] Wallah or Sahib, was Yehova or Yahve?


Card:
 I'm just a simple wanna-be-linguist, not a philosopher

You do have a predilection for linguists. I'm still trying to learn 
English grammar -

do you know how to diagram a simple sentence?

I'm am trying to learn Urdu and Hindi at a local community college from 
Professor
Adul using an Urdu phrase book I got at Barnes Noble. I told Rita to 
get me one
of those 'Rosetta Stones', but they didn't have one for conversational 
Urdu.


Go figure.

The first thing you got to do is learn the ABC's, and then practice some 
phrases:


Hello/Goodbye
namaste (Hindi)
namaskar

Hello
adab (Urdu)

Goodbye
kuda hafiz

Mr
Sri (Hindi)

Sahib (Urdu)

Mrs (Hindi)
Sri

Sahiba (Urdu)

How much?
kiraya kitna hai (Hindi)

I'll just watch thanks.
mai sirf dekhuga

No I'm not going to India.
ji nahi, mai bharat mahi jaugi (Hindi)

to throw pearls before the swine
bhais ke age bin bajana (Hindi)

According to what I've read, Hindi is conventionally written in the 
Devangiri script which
gradually evolved in north India from Vedic times. The same script is 
used to write Sanskrit,
Nepali and Marathi. It's also similar to scripts that are used to write 
Urdu, Bengali,
Assamese,  Gujarati and Punjabi. The Devangiri script is written left to 
right.


Apparently in a comparatively small number of words both ai and au may 
be pronounced

as dipthongs. Go figure.

P.S. How's Mullquest?

Notes:

The term 'wallah' is an extremely useful adjectival suffix - walla - in 
both Hindi and Urdu
means 'that fellow' or 'the fellow who does that', e.g. 'Tat Wallah 
Baba', or 'The fellow of

the Tat' (transcendenatal absolute) or 'That bright fellow from Tejas'. LoL!

predilection:

noun

plural noun: predilections

1. a preference or special liking for something; a bias in favor of 
something.

my predilection for Asian food

synonyms: liking, fondness, preference, partiality, taste, penchant, 
weakness, soft spot,
fancy, inclination, leaning, bias, propensity, bent, proclivity, 
predisposition, appetite


a predilection for shellfish

antonyms: dislike

https://www.google.com/search/predliction 
https://www.google.com/search?site=source=hpq=predlictionoq=predlictiongs_l=hp.3..0i10l10.1972.1972.0.4846.1.1.0.0.0.0.296.296.2-1.1.00...1c.1.27.hp..0.1.285.ASJJaOsJ3zI


On 9/24/2013 1:16 AM, cardemais...@yahoo.com wrote:



I have nothing to add. I'm just a simple wanna-be-linguist, not a 
philosopher...




--- In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote:



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

Card writes:


 This is really funny?

 I'll try to explain it as best as I can...

 When Moses asks what the name of the Burning Bush is, He replies

 ehyee asher ehyee  (I shall be what I shall be: I am what I am).

Sounds like the right translation to me...   :-)


http://de-motivational-posters.com/images/burning-bush-bible-belt-all-the-way.jpg


Thank God that woman is wearing asbestos underwear.

funny de motivational poster: Burning Bush - Bible belt all the way.

[FairfieldLife] A Bad Day at Black Rock!

Uh,oh! When will they start storming the west gates? I hope it's not a 
bad day at Black Rock!


But, fer sure I don't think I'll be moving up to Minnesota any time 
soon. Go figure.


'Americans Among Westgate Mall Attackers, Kenya Foreign Minister Says'
ABC News:
http://abcnews.go.com/International/americans-westgate-mall-attackers-kenya 
http://abcnews.go.com/International/americans-westgate-mall-attackers-kenya-foreign-minister/story?id=20353503


Westgate Mall
4477 S Lamar Blvd, Austin, TX
http://www.yellowpages.com/austin-tx/westgate-mall

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad_Day_at_Black_Rock

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Theology of Breaking Bad

Jason, there are countries where men and women dress in very similar ways. But 
those countries don't seem very egalitarian to me!

 From: Jason jedi_sp...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 11:19 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Theology of Breaking Bad

Share, discrimination, bias, prejudices continue to exist on 
very subtle levels.  There are invisible glass ceilings.  It 
can take generations to wipe them out.

An unisex dress code (specialy for children) in public 
spaces, I believe can play a role in creating a truly 
egalitarian society.

 --- sharelong60 sharelong60@.. wrote:

 Jason, your comment about unisex dress code kind of jumped 
 out at me as did your linking that to an egalitarian 
 society. Actually I'm still kind of baffled by it so don't 
 even know what to ask except: can you say more?

  From: Jason jedi_spock@...

  The Chinese philosophy which speaks of Yin-Yang, two  
  equal energies mutually balancing each other is a far  
  superior philosophy to western philosophy and certain  
  aspects of indian philosophy.

  Science itself says that male and female are equals but 
  different.

  Yoga is essentialy balance, ie life within parameters.

  Any society or culture that is imbalanced will 
  eventually destroy itself.  Nature hates imbalances and 
  always tries to reach an equilibrium.  I have always  
  believed that an unisex dresscode in public spaces, is  
  an important way to bring in a truly egalitarian  
  society.

  If a republic is small, it is destroyed by a foreign  
  force; if it is large, it is destroyed by an internal  
  vice.

  ~French philosopher, Montesquieu

    --- s3raphita s3raphita@.. wrote:

   Ah, yes! C.S. Lewis and Mere Christianity. The book was 
   originally a series of talks Lewis gave on BBC Radio in 
   the 1940s. At one point he brought up the delicate topic 
   of sex. Lewis maintained that in his youth he had been all
   in favour of a naturalattitude towards sexual matters 
   but - he said - surely contemporary attitudes towards sex
   were anything but natural. There was something 
   positively diseased about them. As an example, Lewis asked
   us to consider a striptease show. What are we make of such
   an exhibition? Well, he said, imagine you had arrived in a
   strange country where you discovered that the inhabitants
   were in the habit of paying to gather in front of a 
   display of food that was hidden from view. Then, slowly, 
   the appetising meal was revealed to the gaze of the 
   citizens. Wouldn't you then conclude that something had
   gone seriously wrong with the appetites of the denizens of
   this imaginary nation? Well, isn't the same true of our 
   attitudes towards sex? We have a diseased approach, he 
   concluded.

   A listener to the programme later wrote in to say: if I 
   came across a country such as you describe I would assume
   that the people were starving. What a splendid response! 
   The implication being that men frequent strip shows 
   because they are sex-starved.

   Now take a look around you at the 24/7 porn culture we 
   inhabit. Was Lewis right or the anonymous listener?

  --- Pundister punditster@... wrote:

  In Mere Christianity, C.S. Lewis calls pride 'The Great
  Sin' for it 'has been the chief cause of misery in
  every nation and every family since the world began'Â¦ it
  was through Pride that the devil became the devil: Pride
  leads to every other vice.' We see in Walter' case that
  it is his pride' 'an unwillingness to accept normal
  treatment, a refusal to be a charity case even when
  faced with his own impending death' that starts him on 
  the path toward manufacturing meth. Pride is the 
  catalyst that leads to all of Walter's other sins.

  Read more:

  'The Theology of Breaking Bad'
  http://www.fare-forward.com/the-theology-of-breaking-bad/

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: The Theology of Breaking Bad

Seraphita, are people more sex obsessed now than before? Or is it simply that 
there's more openness about the obsession now? As for Lewis, in Shadowlands he 
seems like a confirmed bachelor who had a rug pulled out from under his feet! 
I'm guessing he was pretty innocent about sex as well as being naive about the 
Catholic Church.





 From: s3raph...@yahoo.com s3raph...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 11:15 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: The Theology of Breaking Bad
 


  
Re I think both CS Lewis and the listener are right. Continuing the food 
analogy, it's as if an essential nutrient has been missing from the diet for a 
long time and now the person is overindulging to make up for that deficit.: 
yes, I think that's right. (Though the food analogy might break down if you 
consider those many millionaires who had starved in their youth. Though they 
later became fabulously rich they stayed tight-fisted to their dying day. One 
chap always used to have hard-boiled eggs on him so that he didn't find himself 
having to pay for a meal.) 

Someone might object, though, that the people over-indulging now aren't the 
people who were starving. The sixties' sex revolution was a long time ago. 
What's happened is that people now have sex on the brain. Thanks to mass 
media saturation sex has moved into our mental imaginary sphere and 
imaginations can't be limited as real-life experience is.

Lewis probably never saw that the rise of porn and SM culture, etc, owes a lot 
to the fact that Christianity made sex sinful. 


---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote:


Seraphita, I think both CS Lewis and the listener are right. Continuing the 
food analogy, it's as if an essential nutrient has been missing from the diet 
for a long time and now the person is overindulging to make up for that 
deficit. But what is the nutrient that's being so feverishly sought via the 
porn industry? This helps me understand a little: my favorite tantric teacher 
David Deida once said that to a straight man, the female body is the most 
beautiful thing in the world. Anyway, we women aren't hardwired the same visual 
way but I think a parallel hunger in women shows up in the popularity of 
romance novels and mushy love songs and chick flicks. This all reminds me of 
something I read once, sorry can't remember the author at the moment: that men 
need sex to feel love and women need to feel love to have sex. Seems like one 
of life's little jests.

PS I know about CS Lewis only from the movie Shadowlands, based on his life, 
specifically his marriage.




 From: s3raphita@... s3raphita@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 9:33 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: The Theology of Breaking Bad
 


  
Ah, yes! C.S. Lewis and Mere Christianity. The book was originally a series of 
talks Lewis gave on BBC Radio in the 1940s. At one point he brought up the 
delicate topic of sex. Lewis maintained that in his youth he had been all in 
favour of a naturalattitude towards sexual matters but - he said - surely 
contemporary attitudes towards sex were anything but natural. There was 
something positively diseased about them. As an example, Lewis asked us to 
consider a striptease show. What are we make of such an exhibition? Well, he 
said, imagine you had arrived in a strange country where you discovered that 
the inhabitants were in the habit of paying to gather in front of a display of 
food that was hidden from view. Then, slowly, the appetising meal was revealed 
to the gaze of the citizens. Wouldn't you then conclude that something had gone 
seriously wrong with the appetites of the denizens of this imaginary nation? 
Well, isn't the same true of our attitudes
 towards sex? We have a diseased approach, he concluded.

A listener to the programme later wrote in to say: if I came across a country 
such as you describe I would assume that the people were starving. What a 
splendid response! The implication being that men frequent strip shows because 
they are sex-starved.

Now take a look around you at the 24/7 porn culture we inhabit. Was Lewis right 
or the anonymous listener? 



--- In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote:


In Mere Christianity, C.S. Lewis calls pride “The Great Sin” for it 
“has been the chief cause of misery in every nation and every family 
since the world began… it was through Pride that the devil became the 
devil: Pride leads to every other vice.” We see in Walter’s case that it 
is his pride—an unwillingness to accept normal treatment, a refusal to 
be a charity case even when faced with his own impending death—that 
starts him on the path toward manufacturing meth. Pride is the catalyst 
that leads to all of Walter’s other sins.

Read more:

'The Theology of Breaking Bad'
http://www.fare-forward.com/the-theology-of-breaking-bad/

Re: Re: Re: Re: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods

Well, Obbajee, since I don't know exactly what THIS is, I can't really offer 
any insights. Oh, there's been a really bad jyotish thing happening. All the 
grahas between rahu and ketu. But that's easing up now. It has a name but I 
can't find it.





 From: obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 12:13 PM
Subject: RE: Re: Re: Re: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods
 


  
Actually, Share, I had NO IDEA that SHANI RAHU SHUKRA could cause 
THIS!!
WTF and that is beyond IMHO!
More like WTF is this?!!
Share, please do tell what you know about this. I am sorry you are going into 
the sickness thing. I better count my lucky stars then. .HOLY GOD MOTHER OF 
JESUS!  

Catholics can be a bit um... PRAISE the LORD?
Please, Share, because this is not funny. Please give insight.
Details for which you are tempted to ask, well, let's say I need an Exorcism 
Intervention now!
Totally sober and not on any drugs or alcohol. Did not see this coming and I 
hope I make it to the other side alive. The other side of this conjunction of 
grahas force feeding me too much attention and too close to my living 
arrangements making convenience, a convenience. SOS



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:


Obbajee, I'm here but I've been avoiding the temptation to ask you for juicy 
details about Rahu/Sani with Shukra thrown in the mix. Surely you knew what 
THAT combo could indicate?! Guess it depends on which graha is graced by said 
combustible combo LOL. For a Libra lagna it's meant walking pneumonia with 
cough. Go figure!





 From: obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 11:04 AM
Subject: RE: Re: Re: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods
 


  
IMHO, for which I have an IMHO, Barry is wet dreaming and he also cannot 
control who he dreams about even when he tries to google avatars and images on 
google to attempt the guess to what the girls look like who post here on FFL. 
IMHO and ROTFLMAO TMI and other acronyms I think Share loves to play and enjoys 
the attention here on FFL, IMHO.
Nice to see Emily, and I am getting used to this and may miss a subject from 
time to time or when I see fit, whichever happens. Takes me a bit to get back 
into this writing form, so I apologize for typos. Although you all are used to 
it. :)  
IMHO.
Where is my Share bear?

 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:


Ann, I thought about informing Share why her statement below is nonsense, 
backing it up with documentation, making her mad by using the acronym IMHO, but 
I'm going to start the day off on a different tack and say a little prayer for 
her.  I am thrilled however, Ann, that Barry said buh bye, if even for a day. 
He sounded like he was about to wet his pants.  Bless you.  



 From: awoelflebater@... awoelflebater@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 8:36 AM
Subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods
 


  
 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:


Judy, I don't know what you're talking about here. I thought the thread was 
about you obsessing on *if true* and ignoring all the great stuff Xeno wrote 
yesterday. What does turq have to do with it?! 

Oh dear Share, I think I noticed that there is another CD caught in your 
player. Maybe you should attend to that for the time being; you had some 
success yesterday extricating the one that was stuck. Maybe that or join the 
folks for some bananagrams at Revelations. Emily?





 From: authfriend@... authfriend@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 9:13 AM
Subject: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods
 


  
Barry is lying; everyone who has been following this knows he's lying. He knows 
they know he's lying. Even Share knows he's lying.

Somebody please explain to me what the point is. What does a person get out of 
lying when they know they aren't deceiving anybody? What do they get out of 
advertising that they're a liar, over and over again (six times, so far, in 
this case)? Why would they want to be known as a liar? And a  malicious liar, 
at that?

I've never understood this. What's the payoff?

(snip)

What you're missing is the delicious irony of all this.
The person who has called more people Liar! than 
anyone else in Internet history got peeved that anyone
would even infer such a thing about *her*, and threw
a tantrum. She declared that she would never have any
discussions with the offending person until he either
documented his inference or retracted it. He did 
neither, and in effect *thanked* her in advance for
no longer bothering him

[FairfieldLife] It's All About Football


Around here it's it's all about football.

Back in the old days, there was one important name in NCAA college 
football sports

that really mattered : Darryl Royal.

... three national championships (1963, 1969, 1970), 11 Southwest 
Conference titles,
and amassed a record of 167--47--5. He won more games than any other 
coach in

Texas Longhorns football history.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darrell_Royal

'Power Ranking the Top 5 NFL Prospects on 2013 Longhorns Team'
Bleacher Report:
http://bleacherreport.com/texas-longhorns-football-power-ranking 
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1785127-texas-football-power-ranking-the-top-5-nfl-prospects-on-2013-longhorns-team


Now, it's all about Johnny Manzel.

'Johnny Manziel's astounding family history'
http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/college_sports/aggies/ 
http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/college_sports/aggies/item/Timeline-Johnny-Manziel-s-astounding-family-23035.php


Around here in the old days, it was all about Roger Staubach in the NFL.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Staubach

Now, it's all about Tony Romo and Peyton Manning.

'Cowboys win over Rams was one of Tony Romo's best games'
Dallas Morning News:
http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/tony-romos-best-games.html/ 
http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/2013/09/cowboys-win-over-rams-was-one-of-tony-romos-best-games.html/


'Peyton Manning carves up Raiders as Broncos dominate'
USA Today:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/denver-broncos-peyton-manning 
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2013/09/23/nfl-week-3-denver-broncos-peyton-manning-defeat-oakland-raiders/2858825/


'Broncos, Peyton Manning are flirting with NFL history'
Los Angeles Times:
http://www.latimes.com/sports/broncos-peyton-manning 
http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/la-sp-sn-broncos-peyton-manning-20130924,0,242673.story#axzz2fp4L3xZD
http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/la-sp-sn-broncos-peyton-manning-20130924,0,242673.story#axzz2fp4L3xZD

RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods

[FairfieldLife] Downshifting, was America the Beautiful

Share Long wrote:
Ah, Richard, thank you and I LOVE LOVE LOVE that bit from Isha
Upanishad expecially: one should enjoy it with renunciation.
So yin/yang, so Shiva/Shakti, so light and shadow, etc.

As the saying goes: Purman adah, Purnam idam

Om ! That (world) is a complete whole.
This (world) too is a complete whole.
From the complete whole only, the (other)
complete whole rose. Even after removing
the complete whole from the (other)
complete whole, still the complete whole
remains unaltered and undisturbed.

'Isha Upanishad'
http://www.vedarahasya.net/isha.htm

*From:* Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com
*To:* Richard J. Williams FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Monday, September 23, 2013 7:54 PM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] America the Beautiful

On 9/23/2013 7:21 PM, Bhairitu wrote:
The idea when you get older is you probably don't need and often want as
much...

It's called 'down-shifting' - going back to the basics. All my life I've
been doing

the up-shifting. This is the mime speaking.

That's what I'm going to do - sell almost everything, the cars, houses
and the
boat, and move to the country. Live the simple life. Downshifting - a
move away

from materialism towards a simpler, more fulfilling life!

According to Suma Varughese, downshifting also known as simple living or
voluntary simplicity, is a path I want to take, away from the land of the
shopping mall.

The only thing we can do to downshift is to reduce our own wants and
cut loose

from the consumerist trap. What has already been seen to be the route to
individual happiness also becomes the route to that of the environment.

Some adopt the devotional approach. Nothing is ours, for all is God's
according

to Swami Shantanand Saraswati, 'The Man Who Wanted to Meet God':

The Isha Upanishad says that the universe is permeated by the Absolute.
Whatever one sees in creation, whatever moves one should use it fully
and enjoy
this absolute everywhere, but one should enjoy it with renunciation. One
should

not try to hold it or covet it. One need not try to possess it.

Enjoy it and give it up.

http://www.lifepositive.com/writers/Suma_Varughese.asp

Nothing wrong with Social Security. But there is something wrong with
foolishly promising people a pension that pays the same as when they
were working. What were they smoking when they did that? it actually
isn't feasible. Times were booming and the idiots you elected
(regardless of the aisle they sat on) made those promises. The idea
when you get older is you probably don't need and often want as much.
You don't need a full pension.

When there are no longer full time jobs for everyone then you have to
divvy up the jobs. But that won't work for employers. So what are you
going to do, Mike? Tell people to crawl away and die? You know how
that will go down. They'll tell you to crawl away and die.

On 09/23/2013 02:39 PM, Mike Dixon wrote:
We already have that *leisuresociety*. Ever heard of Social Security?
You pay into it for many years and at a certain age you get to join
that leisure society,. Get paid for not working. Many people don't
even have to pay into it. Just have something wrong that prevents you
from being able to work or just be the child of a parent that died
and had paid into it. Heck, you can even be a single mother and have
the government pay you to raise your kids. The government will find
you a place to live , feed you and your kids, give you a phone, free
medical care. There's an old saying, *if something is worth having,
it's worth working for*. The work in this case is learning how to
make do with a little.

*From:* Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net mailto:noozg...@sbcglobal.net
*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

A Christian nation:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-09-23/why-100-000-salary-may-yield-retirement-flipping-burgers.html

Re: [FairfieldLife] Downshifting, was America the Beautiful

Even after removing the complete whole from the (other) complete whole, still 
the complete whole remains unaltered and undisturbed.
Now, Richard, THAT'S a koan to sink one's teeth into!

 From: Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com
To: Richard J. Williams FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 1:42 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Downshifting, was America the Beautiful

Share Long wrote:
 Ah, Richard, thank you and I LOVE LOVE LOVE that bit from
  Isha 
 Upanishad expecially: one should enjoy it with renunciation. 
 So yin/yang, so Shiva/Shakti, so light and shadow, etc.

As the saying goes: Purman adah, Purnam idam

Om ! That (world) is a complete whole. 
This (world) too is a complete whole. 
From the complete whole only, the (other) 
complete whole rose. Even after removing 
the complete whole from the (other) 
complete whole, still the complete whole 
remains unaltered and undisturbed.

'Isha Upanishad'
http://www.vedarahasya.net/isha.htm

 From: Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com
To: Richard J. Williams FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 7:54 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] America the Beautiful

On 9/23/2013 7:21 PM, Bhairitu wrote:
 The idea when you get older is you probably
don't need and often want as 
 much...

It's called 'down-shifting' - going back to the
basics. All my life I've been doing
the up-shifting. This is the mime speaking.

That's what I'm going to do - sell almost
everything, the cars, houses and the 
boat, and move to the country. Live the simple life.
Downshifting - a move away
from materialism towards a simpler, more fulfilling
life!

According to Suma Varughese, downshifting also known
as simple living or 
voluntary simplicity, is a path I want to take,
away from the land of the 
shopping mall.

The only thing we can do to downshift is to reduce
our own wants and cut loose 
from the consumerist trap. What has already been
seen to be the route to
individual happiness also becomes the route to that
of the environment. 

Some adopt the devotional approach. Nothing is ours,
for all is God's according 
to Swami Shantanand Saraswati,  'The Man Who Wanted
to Meet God': 

The Isha Upanishad says that the universe is
permeated by the Absolute. 
Whatever one sees in creation, whatever moves one
should use it fully and enjoy
this absolute everywhere, but one should enjoy it
with renunciation. One should 
not try to hold it or covet it. One need not try to
possess it. 

Enjoy it and give it up.

http://www.lifepositive.com/writers/Suma_Varughese.asp

Nothing wrong with Social Security.  But there is something wrong with 
foolishly promising people a pension that pays the same as when they were 
working.  What were they smoking when they did that?  it actually isn't 
feasible.  Times were booming and the idiots you elected (regardless of the 
aisle they sat on) made those promises.  The idea when you get older is you 
probably don't need and often want as much.  You don't need a full pension.

When there are no longer full time jobs for
everyone then you have to divvy up the jobs. 
But that won't work for employers.  So what are
you going to do, Mike?  Tell people to crawl
away and die?  You know how that will go down. 
They'll tell you to crawl away and die.

On 09/23/2013 02:39 PM, Mike Dixon wrote:

We already have that *leisure society*. Ever heard of Social Security? You 
pay into  it for many years and at a certain age you get to join that leisure 
society,. Get paid for not working. Many people don't even have to pay into 
it.  Just have something wrong that prevents you from being able to work or 
just be the child of a parent that died and had paid into it. Heck, you can 
even be a single mother and have the government pay you to raise your kids. 
The government will find you a place to live , feed you and your kids, give 
you a phone, free medical care. There's an old saying, *if something is worth 
having, it's worth working for*. The work in this case is learning how to 
make do with a little.

From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 1:19 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] America the Beautiful

And the Fascist, I mean Repubicans, want us to work until we drop dead. Doing 
what?  How would you like a near aspergers like former computer programmer 
waiting on you at Burger King?  At that there are not enough jobs for 
everybody.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TV for third graders


On 09/24/2013 10:22 AM, turquoiseb wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote:

 Last night was the debut of a couple broadcast network TV
 shows. One was Hostage starring Toni Collette and Dylan
 McDermott and produced by showrunner Jerry Bruckheimer
 (CSI). You'd think with all the trouble the networks
 are having with their shows they'd get better writers.

Why? Look at the posters people on this forum think
are intellectual giants. Based on that, I'd suspect
that writing to the third-grade level may be aiming
too high. :-)

Seriously, thanks for the heads-up and the thumbs-down.
I won't bother. Breaking Bad seems to be one of the
rare exceptions; I will miss it. I *won't* miss Dexter.



The show had possibilities but not with such dumb writing.  After a 
season of Under the Dome which held that spot it was a bit boorish.  
It's about a conspiracy which of course would be up my alley.  Toni 
Collette plays a doctor who is slated to do some minor surgery on the 
President.  Some thugs break in and take her and her family hostage 
(spoiler) to get her to kill the President during the surgery (dumb down 
point number one).  But there's something afoot here because the leader 
of the thugs is an FBI agent.  There is a clue at the beginning about 
what is really going on with him.


The second show NBC's The Blacklist which I haven't watched yet. I 
also recorder Mom because on Talking Bad the actor who played Badger 
was a guest and is on Mom along with Anna Faris who can be very funny 
if given a chance.  I haven't watched it yet either.

Oh how quickly they forget!

 From: authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 2:26 PM
Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Projecting (Re: Surviving Whole Foods)

Which FFL editor would that be, Share? 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

Very bad, turq. According to FFL Editor, you're supposed to say THE HuffPost! 
Faite attention, s'il vous plait!

 From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 7:18 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Projecting (Re: Surviving Whole Foods)

snip

I posted a link to a funny article in

HuffPost about Whole Foods. Only a few people
here commented (thanks) on how funny it was. 

Instead, within six posts Judy had adopted 
an argumentative tone in a thread about a 
funny article, and within eleven posts she
was calling someone a liar. At last count 
there were 137 posts in the thread, *most* 
of them about the tempest in a pisspot she 
created and then refused to let die. 

Can you say shifting context? Can you say
Doing it for your own petty, self-serving
reasons? I think you can.

[FairfieldLife] The Twilight Zone, was The Theology of Breaking Bad

You're traveling through another dimension, a dimension not only of 
sight and sound but of mind.

A journey into a wondrous land whose boundaries are that of imagination.

That's a sigh post up ahead! Your next stop: The Twilight Zone.

Recommended:

Nick of Time
Episode with William Shatner
November 18, 1960
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IJ3DiqhlTw

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Twilight_Zone_episodes

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rod_Serling 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Shatner


On 9/24/2013 11:24 AM, Share Long wrote:
Richard, get this, which I am not making up: I first watched Twilight 
around the same time my landlords started making garlic infused oil in 
the third apartment of the house! Ok, I'm gonna do some research on 
Walking Dead because it definitely sounds like a very cool theme even 
though generally I'm not into horror shows. I think Twilight is tame 
compared to most.




*From:* Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com
*To:* Richard J. Williams FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Tuesday, September 24, 2013 10:50 AM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Theology of Breaking Bad

Now this is funny- a guy thinks a Twilight book is about sex between 
werewolves.


Go figure.

If you enjoyed the Twilight movies you may want to check out AMC's The 
Walking Dead.


Based on the comic book series of the same name, AMC's The Walking 
Dead tells the
story of a small group of survivors living in the aftermath of a 
zombie apocalypse. A

Golden Globe Award for Best Television Series, Drama.

The series follows a group of survivors, led by police officer Rick 
Grimes, who are traveling
in search of a safe and secure home. However, instead of the zombies, 
it is the living who

remain that truly become the walking dead.

And guess what - The Walking Dead is not about zombies at all. LoL!

Read more:

'At AMC, Zombies Topple Network TV'
New York Times:
http://www.nytimes.com/ 
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/04/business/media/walking-dead-helps-solidify-amcs-ratings-success.html?pagewanted=all_r=0


'The Walking Dead,' Like All Zombie Stories: ... Not About Zombies at All'
The Atlantic:
http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/ 
http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2012/11/the-walking-dead-like-all-zombie-stories-not-about-zombies-at-all/265549/


On 9/24/2013 7:27 AM, turquoiseb wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... 
mailto:sharelong60@... wrote:


 turq, I don't find the writing in the Twilight novels
 that great. But I think it's a powerful retelling of
 the archetypal story of love between an immortal and
 a mortal, between God and human for us non atheists.
 In this sense, it's a story of surrender and unity to
 something greater than ourselves. Actually I think
 most romantic love stories are, on the deepest level,
 evoking the human yearning for unity with something
 more complete than ourselves. Also with regards to
 Twilight, perhaps a retelling of Beauty and the Beast,
 another archetypal love story. Maybe it's not an
 accident that the heroine is called Bella and the
 hero Edward calls himself a monster. Hopefully the
 archetypal aspects are also getting through to the
 teen audiences.

I can hardly speak as an expert, having made my
way through the first novel only because someone
was begging me to. It was like pulling my own teeth.

I later found criticisms of it that echoed what I
was feeling as I read. FAR from archetypal or
mythic, I found it to be the literary counterpart
of those creepy clubs in high schools where they
talk guys and gals into wearing virginity rings.

It was the mindset of the 1950s, with vampires and
the dangers of getting close to them taking the
place of the dangers of...uh...SEX. It was preaching
sublimation, and resisting of natural desires, and
trying to elevate those things as if they were noble
and wonderful. I didn't feel that was an appropriate
message for teenagers, so I wasn't a fan.

But obviously, tastes vary. What surprises me about
the whole Twilight thang are the number of *older*
women who fixate on it.

 
 From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com 
mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

 Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 6:53 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Theology of Breaking Bad



 Â
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote:

 
  Seraphita, I think both CS Lewis and the listener are right.
  Continuing the food analogy, it's as if an essential nutrient
  has been missing from the diet for a long time and now the
  person is overindulging to make up for that deficit. But what
  is the nutrient that's being so feverishly sought via the porn
  industry? This helps me understand a little: my favorite
  tantric

RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] Projecting (Re: Surviving Whole Foods)