[FairfieldLife] Re: Billy Graham: America is Just as Wicked...
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Ann, These are good quotes which adequately sum up the attitudes of atheists. LOL, adequately sums them up if you want your own narrow viewpoint bolstered you mean. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Is this really the broad statement on which an atheist makes his case.? In which case, it really is a shame to see the arrogant and skewed attitude held by an atheist. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : “The man who prays is the one who thinks that god has arranged matters all wrong, but who also thinks that he can instruct god how to put them right.” Christopher Hitchens. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Yeah, maybe if they pray enough they'll start hopping. :-D On 10/16/2014 06:32 PM, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: As Sodom and Gomorrah. But he has a solution. http://m.cnsnews.com/mrctv-blog/michael-w-chapman/rev-billy-graham-america-just-wicked-sodom-and-gomorrah-ever-were http://m.cnsnews.com/mrctv-blog/michael-w-chapman/rev-billy-graham-america-just-wicked-sodom-and-gomorrah-ever-were
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Billy Graham: America is Just as Wicked...
Doncha love how people who believe in an invisible magic man in the sky like to portray those who don't as if *they* are the crazy ones. Sometimes the sheer feeble-mindedness of believers astounds me. Or, as someone once said so well: Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd. -- Voltaire I don't know about you, Salyavin, but it's difficult for me to imagine someone whose mind is so weak and whose fear of the unknown is so profound that they would exchange a belief in that which can never be proved to exist (because...duh...it doesn't) for the far more interesting and fulfilling sense of MYSTERY that is their birthright. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 8:58 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Billy Graham: America is Just as Wicked... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Ann, These are good quotes which adequately sum up the attitudes of atheists. LOL, adequately sums them up if you want your own narrow viewpoint bolstered you mean.
[FairfieldLife] Because contact with rationality seems to bother believers so much...
My favorite, because it appears to be a real graphic from believers trying to show how stupid atheists are... sounds just like jr_esq or Buck, doesn't it?
[FairfieldLife] Belief in God is a form of mental illness
[FairfieldLife] Bombing for Peace? –it’s time to rethink war strategy
As the foremost proponent of consciousness-based solutions to word peace, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi commented in the 1990’s on the first Gulf War in a telling prediction of what has unfolded in the whole of the Middle East: http://www.worldpeacesolutions.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/mmy2.jpg http://www.worldpeacesolutions.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/mmy2.jpg http://www.worldpeacesolutions.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/mmy2.jpg http://www.worldpeacesolutions.net/wp-content/uploads/20... http://www.worldpeacesolutions.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/mmy2.jpg View on www.worldpeacesolut... http://www.worldpeacesolutions.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/mmy2.jpg Preview by Yahoo What has happened to Kuwait is going to happen to every country sooner or later. We have the example of political friendship. Iraq was friend with all these allies just a few months ago. Now, Iraq is the greatest enemy of the allies. Political alliances… political friendship, absolutely, has no meaning in the field of politics. It’s very unfortunate that a friend today is a deadly enemy tomorrow. Japan is supporting the war. Who knows Japan will be invaded by the allies. Who knows? Germany is supporting the war. Who knows? Allies are going to invade Germany next day. Whole thing is very indefinite, is absolutely unstable, and very pathetic for any intelligent level of life on earth. Maharishi Bombing for Peace? --it's time to rethink war strategy http://www.worldpeacesolutions.net/2014/10/05/bombing-for-peace-its-time-to-rethink-war-strategy/?fb_action_ids=10202714010603622fb_action_types=news.publishesfb_ref=pub-standardfb_source=other_multilineaction_object_map=%5B677014092394172%5Daction_type_map=%5B%22news.publishes%22%5Daction_ref_map=%5B%22pub-standard%22%5D http://www.worldpeacesolutions.net/2014/10/05/bombing-for-peace-its-time-to-rethink-war-strategy/?fb_action_ids=10202714010603622fb_action_types=news.publishesfb_ref=pub-standardfb_source=other_multilineaction_object_map=%5B677014092394172%5Daction_type_map=%5B%22news.publishes%22%5Daction_ref_map=%5B%22pub-standard%22%5D Bombing for Peace? --it's time to rethink war strate... http://www.worldpeacesolutions.net/2014/10/05/bombing-for-peace-its-time-to-rethink-war-strategy/?fb_action_ids=10202714010603622fb_action_types=news.publishesfb_ref=pub-standardfb_source=other_multilineaction_object_map=%5B677014092394172%5Daction_type_map=%5B%22news.publishes%22%5Daction_ref_map=%5B%22pub-standard%22%5D The US initiative to gather nations in an attempt to crush ISIS is, in a sense, an understandable reaction to the brutality conveyed by the media. But like all othe... View on www.worldpeacesolut... http://www.worldpeacesolutions.net/2014/10/05/bombing-for-peace-its-time-to-rethink-war-strategy/?fb_action_ids=10202714010603622fb_action_types=news.publishesfb_ref=pub-standardfb_source=other_multilineaction_object_map=%5B677014092394172%5Daction_type_map=%5B%22news.publishes%22%5Daction_ref_map=%5B%22pub-standard%22%5D Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Because contact with rationality seems to bother believers so much...
From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com My favorite, because it appears to be a real graphic from believers trying to show how stupid atheists are... sounds just like jr_esq or Buck, doesn't it? I found out this last one is an intentional parody as part of an infamous Internet meme, Checkmate, Atheists! It's really a fascinating story: Checkmate, Atheists Checkmate, Atheists “Checkmate, Atheists” is an expression used in jest after making an intentionally illogical religious argument. View on knowyourmeme.com Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Billy Graham: America is Just as Wicked...
Jesus, Barry, when did you set the bar so low for yourself? Is it really necessary to distort what someone says, just so you can attack the distortion. That also applies to your BFF, although, not so much. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Doncha love how people who believe in an invisible magic man in the sky like to portray those who don't as if *they* are the crazy ones. Sometimes the sheer feeble-mindedness of believers astounds me. Or, as someone once said so well: Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd. -- Voltaire I don't know about you, Salyavin, but it's difficult for me to imagine someone whose mind is so weak and whose fear of the unknown is so profound that they would exchange a belief in that which can never be proved to exist (because...duh...it doesn't) for the far more interesting and fulfilling sense of MYSTERY that is their birthright. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 8:58 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Billy Graham: America is Just as Wicked... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Ann, These are good quotes which adequately sum up the attitudes of atheists. LOL, adequately sums them up if you want your own narrow viewpoint bolstered you mean.
[FairfieldLife] astonishing ebola protocols
I'm a Hazmat-Trained Hospital Worker: Here's What No One Is Telling You About Ebola I'm a Hazmat-Trained Hospital Worker: Here's What No ... You can't just expect any nurse or any doctor or any health care worker or layperson to understand the deconning procedures by way of some kind of p... View on www.huffingtonpost... Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Because contact with rationality seems to bother believers so much...
Your favorite because you feel it let's you point out the stupidity of people here? People you have categorized in your mind by their specific beliefs? To me, that says a lot, and is not just a little strange. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : My favorite, because it appears to be a real graphic from believers trying to show how stupid atheists are... sounds just like jr_esq or Buck, doesn't it?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness
Good for you Barry, good for you. (but talk about some weird ass, self medication) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
Re: [FairfieldLife] Because contact with rationality seems to bother believers so much...
No Barry, it shows your willingness to jump on any absurd comment, if it provides you an opportunity to dump. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com My favorite, because it appears to be a real graphic from believers trying to show how stupid atheists are... sounds just like jr_esq or Buck, doesn't it? I found out this last one is an intentional parody as part of an infamous Internet meme, Checkmate, Atheists! It's really a fascinating story: Checkmate, Atheists http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/checkmate-atheists http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/checkmate-atheists Checkmate, Atheists http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/checkmate-atheists “Checkmate, Atheists” is an expression used in jest after making an intentionally illogical religious argument. View on knowyourmeme.com http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/checkmate-atheists Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, and Barry's mind
If you want to know how Barry thinks, and how he got so screwed up, there is a free ebook, from someone who was very close to Freddie. The name of the book is: TAKE ME FOR A RIDE Coming Of Age In A Destructive Cult, by Mark E. Laxer. Available on the link that Richard posted. Here are some quotes from the book. When I read them, they sounded strangely familiar. Note: Freddie used to call himself, Atmananada (Soul of Love), before he decided he was the final incarnation of Vishnu. The guy sounds VERY CRAZY: Atmananda exposed his Big Nurse nature in other ways. He claimed, for instance, that he had to press all the right buttons to help people overcome their resistance to the Light and to him…. He taught me to fear what would happen if I left the Centre. You know too much to leave. It's a greedy, materialistic world out there. Your soul would be miserable. Besides, the Forces would flatten you like a bug. You would lose thousands of lifetimes of evolution. He taught me to fear, not just the Forces but people, particularly old friends and family. It's best if you don't tell them what we do here. Believe me, they won't understand. They'll end up blocking your progress and sapping your power.“… = Atmananda, I suddenly announced. I *saw* the Warriors. Others in the circle soon *saw* them too. Atmananda held desert trips once or twice a month and, by mid-1983, followers *saw* him walking above the ground on a cushion of light, flying to distant mountains, sending columns of light into the sky, and causing constellations to gyrate and disappear. On one starlit night, Atmananda raised his hands above his head. As he slowly lowered them, he made a low, whistling sound like the wind. What did you *see*? he asked afterward. I didn't *see* anything, one new follower bemoaned. Advanced psychic vision is necessary to perceive what I am doing… == Are you Rama? someone asked. Yes, he replied. I am Rama, the last incarnation of Vishnu. You people think that I am a person, but I am not. Over the years I watched my various selves fade away. I fought the process tooth and nail--like each of you are doing now. But it was in vain. I could not stop the process of dissolution. I had to admit that I was no longer a person. This morning I suddenly knew who I was. I have been cycling...I am beginning to remember...Eternity has named me Rama...Rama most clearly reflects my strand of luminosity...We're at the end of a cycle...At this time, Vishnu takes incarnation as a person...Vishnu is that aspect of God that preserves and protects life...Rama...the last incarnation of Vishnu... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 10/17/2014 9:16 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: But to bring this whole diversion (for that is what it is) back into the present, I really wish that Richard, Jim, and a few others would leave off this try-to-get-to-me-by-bringing-up-Rama shit. It's old, and it's based on your *own* cult thinking and how *your* minds work, not how mine works. You need to get a grip, Barry - you just posted about Rama shit a few months ago! I've seen someone levitate. Many times. In many settings, from the Los Angeles Convention Center to the Anza-Borrego Desert to a Denny's restaurant in the wee hours of the night. - TurquoiseB Subject: TM is a Cult? Author: TurquoiseB Group: Yahoo Fairfieldife Date: Friday, 23 May 2014 Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM is a Cult? http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg317597.html http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg317597.html Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM is a Cult? http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg317597.html From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com Advertising ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :Salya,I think ... View on www.mail-archive.com http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg317597.html Preview by Yahoo Richard, you've done it again!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness
Please take your straw dog elsewhere. He pees on the floor, and you refuse to control him. Thanks. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Billy Graham: America is Just as Wicked...
As his true self, his Freddie addiction, and massive hypocrisy, are revealed, little Bawee has turned into the FFL troll. Poor bastard. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Jesus, Barry, when did you set the bar so low for yourself? Is it really necessary to distort what someone says, just so you can attack the distortion. That also applies to your BFF, although, not so much. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Doncha love how people who believe in an invisible magic man in the sky like to portray those who don't as if *they* are the crazy ones. Sometimes the sheer feeble-mindedness of believers astounds me. Or, as someone once said so well: Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd. -- Voltaire I don't know about you, Salyavin, but it's difficult for me to imagine someone whose mind is so weak and whose fear of the unknown is so profound that they would exchange a belief in that which can never be proved to exist (because...duh...it doesn't) for the far more interesting and fulfilling sense of MYSTERY that is their birthright. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 8:58 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Billy Graham: America is Just as Wicked... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Ann, These are good quotes which adequately sum up the attitudes of atheists. LOL, adequately sums them up if you want your own narrow viewpoint bolstered you mean.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, and Barry's mind
Look, every body gets the pushing of buttons. We all get ours pushed sometimes, and we all do some pushing ourselves. But, from what you've found below, it does it appear that Barry has elevated this pushing of buttons to, well, some kind of religion. And as in most religions, some things get distorted. Helps to explain things, I think. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : If you want to know how Barry thinks, and how he got so screwed up, there is a free ebook, from someone who was very close to Freddie. The name of the book is: TAKE ME FOR A RIDE Coming Of Age In A Destructive Cult, by Mark E. Laxer. Available on the link that Richard posted. Here are some quotes from the book. When I read them, they sounded strangely familiar. Note: Freddie used to call himself, Atmananada (Soul of Love), before he decided he was the final incarnation of Vishnu. The guy sounds VERY CRAZY: Atmananda exposed his Big Nurse nature in other ways. He claimed, for instance, that he had to press all the right buttons to help people overcome their resistance to the Light and to him…. He taught me to fear what would happen if I left the Centre. You know too much to leave. It's a greedy, materialistic world out there. Your soul would be miserable. Besides, the Forces would flatten you like a bug. You would lose thousands of lifetimes of evolution. He taught me to fear, not just the Forces but people, particularly old friends and family. It's best if you don't tell them what we do here. Believe me, they won't understand. They'll end up blocking your progress and sapping your power.“… = Atmananda, I suddenly announced. I *saw* the Warriors. Others in the circle soon *saw* them too. Atmananda held desert trips once or twice a month and, by mid-1983, followers *saw* him walking above the ground on a cushion of light, flying to distant mountains, sending columns of light into the sky, and causing constellations to gyrate and disappear. On one starlit night, Atmananda raised his hands above his head. As he slowly lowered them, he made a low, whistling sound like the wind. What did you *see*? he asked afterward. I didn't *see* anything, one new follower bemoaned. Advanced psychic vision is necessary to perceive what I am doing… == Are you Rama? someone asked. Yes, he replied. I am Rama, the last incarnation of Vishnu. You people think that I am a person, but I am not. Over the years I watched my various selves fade away. I fought the process tooth and nail--like each of you are doing now. But it was in vain. I could not stop the process of dissolution. I had to admit that I was no longer a person. This morning I suddenly knew who I was. I have been cycling...I am beginning to remember...Eternity has named me Rama...Rama most clearly reflects my strand of luminosity...We're at the end of a cycle...At this time, Vishnu takes incarnation as a person...Vishnu is that aspect of God that preserves and protects life...Rama...the last incarnation of Vishnu... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 10/17/2014 9:16 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: But to bring this whole diversion (for that is what it is) back into the present, I really wish that Richard, Jim, and a few others would leave off this try-to-get-to-me-by-bringing-up-Rama shit. It's old, and it's based on your *own* cult thinking and how *your* minds work, not how mine works. You need to get a grip, Barry - you just posted about Rama shit a few months ago! I've seen someone levitate. Many times. In many settings, from the Los Angeles Convention Center to the Anza-Borrego Desert to a Denny's restaurant in the wee hours of the night. - TurquoiseB Subject: TM is a Cult? Author: TurquoiseB Group: Yahoo Fairfieldife Date: Friday, 23 May 2014 Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM is a Cult? http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg317597.html http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg317597.html Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM is a Cult? http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg317597.html From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com Advertising ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :Salya,I think ... View on www.mail-archive.com http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg317597.html Preview by Yahoo Richard, you've done it again!
[FairfieldLife] The Inquisition Mindset
This is on my mind today because yesterday I watched the first installment of a recent British TV documentary called Inquisition. I would recommend it -- with some reservations -- but to tell the truth it's all a bit mysterious and I don't know whether you could really find or watch it if I did recommend it. It was originally broadcast on UKTV's Yesterday channel, and pre-billed as shocking. It was also pre-billed as being a four-part series. I've only been able to find three episodes, so that causes me to wonder what happened to the fourth one? Not to mention the series itself, which it is somewhat difficult to find out information about. It *IS* shocking, and intentionally so. It is about as biased against the Catholic Church and religion in general as it is possible to be. It is also -- as much as I hate to admit this -- primarily historically accurate. The first episode (the only one I've watched) dealt with the origins of the Inquisition, and thus the Cathars and the Templars, two societies with which I have a somewhat scholarly relationship. I kept waiting for the announcer (who I hated) to say something I knew to be historically wrong as part of his rant against the maniacs in the Catholic Church who had perpetrated these atrocities...and I kept waiting, and waiting, and waiting. In that first episode, I only detected a handful of historical errors or inaccuracies, none of them major. Yes, the series' depiction of these times is biased. And yes, it is designed to be sensationalist. The violence and torture depicted in the first episode are graphic and horrific, and intentionally so. They are *also* historically accurate. The Catholic Church really did *do* all of these things to hundreds of thousands of fellow Christians, in the Church's first (but far from last) genocide. Anyway, I found myself thinking of this series -- and this mindset -- again this morning, after logging into Fairfield Life. So, for those who are interested in such things, I thought I'd pass along a few pointers to this series, even if you're not likely to be able to see it, possibly even in the UK. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3892282/reference Inquisition | Yesterday Channel Inquisition (2014) With Toby Green, John Kirk, Lucy Sackville. Visit IMDb for Photos, Showtimes, Cast, Crew, Reviews, Plot Summary, Comments, Discussions, Taglines, Trailers, Posters,... View on www.imdb.com Preview by Yahoo Inquisition | Yesterday Channel Inquisition is a shocking four-part series exploring persecutions of heresy from history. View on yesterday.uktv.co.uk Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Billy Graham: America is Just as Wicked...
On 10/18/2014 2:54 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Doncha love how people who believe in an invisible magic man in the sky like to portray those who don't as if *they* are the crazy ones. Sometimes the sheer feeble-mindedness of believers astounds me. Or, as someone once said so well: /You sound really confused, Barry, like Don Quixote tilting at windmills and attacking imaginary enemies. You sound like a True Believer where everything is either black or white with no shades of grey.// // //Traditionally Buddhists throughout the world consider that the universe contains more beings in it than are normally visible to humans. Buddhists have no objection to the existence of the Hindu gods. // // //Nevertheless, Buddhists can't take refuge in the gods because the gods are not Buddha. That is, they are not enlightened. All the Hindu gods, for all their power, are not the final truth of things. Power does not necessarily entail insight, and for Buddhists the gods do not have the liberating insight. But none of this entails that the gods do not exist or that the gods cannot exert a powerful influence over our lives. Thus, the Buddhist has no problem with the gods like you seem to have. / /Those over there are not giants but windmills.// //Those things that seem to be their arms are sails which, // //when they are whirled around by the wind, turn the millstone. // //- Miguel de Cervantes// / Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd. -- Voltaire
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Billy Graham: America is Just as Wicked...
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Doncha love how people who believe in an invisible magic man in the sky like to portray those who don't as if *they* are the crazy ones. Sometimes the sheer feeble-mindedness of believers astounds me. Or, as someone once said so well: Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd. -- Voltaire I don't know about you, Salyavin, but it's difficult for me to imagine someone whose mind is so weak and whose fear of the unknown is so profound that they would exchange a belief in that which can never be proved to exist (because...duh...it doesn't) for the far more interesting and fulfilling sense of MYSTERY that is their birthright. I'm just enjoying the responses it gets whenever you say anything contrary to the POV of the believer. Some of the weird fantasies that are getting projected on us are actually fascinating. If I could be bothered to read all of it I might start trying to classify it so we can use it to make predictions about what sort of abuse to expect per rational argument. There's got to be a use for FFL.. Leo Festinger would have been well into this place! From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 8:58 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Billy Graham: America is Just as Wicked... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Ann, These are good quotes which adequately sum up the attitudes of atheists. LOL, adequately sums them up if you want your own narrow viewpoint bolstered you mean.
[FairfieldLife] OK, this Ebola conspiracy theory is actually funny
As a sometimes medical writer I have been horrified to hear some of the near-criminal misinformation being spread on this forum about Ebola. But I understand where it comes from -- America, and the American TV News Mindset. It runs on 24/7 FEAR, and so do Americans. They shoot FEAR like junkies shoot heroin, and with similar effects. Their movies don't help them to stay grounded in reality much, either:
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Billy Graham: America is Just as Wicked...
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Doncha love how people who believe in an invisible magic man in the sky like to portray those who don't as if *they* are the crazy ones. Sometimes the sheer feeble-mindedness of believers astounds me. Or, as someone once said so well: Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd. -- Voltaire I don't know about you, Salyavin, but it's difficult for me to imagine someone whose mind is so weak and whose fear of the unknown is so profound that they would exchange a belief in that which can never be proved to exist (because...duh...it doesn't) for the far more interesting and fulfilling sense of MYSTERY that is their birthright. I'm just enjoying the responses it gets whenever you say anything contrary to the POV of the believer. Exactly. Thanks for noticing, and getting it. Inquisition actually is a pretty interesting documentary, BTW and deals with similar responses. Some of the weird fantasies that are getting projected on us are actually fascinating. If I could be bothered to read all of it I might start trying to classify it so we can use it to make predictions about what sort of abuse to expect per rational argument. There's got to be a use for FFL.. Careful, dude. That last sentence almost revealed belief that there might be a Plan behind all of this. :-) :-) :-) Leo Festinger would have been well into this place! Don't know him. Should I? From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 8:58 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Billy Graham: America is Just as Wicked... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Ann, These are good quotes which adequately sum up the attitudes of atheists. LOL, adequately sums them up if you want your own narrow viewpoint bolstered you mean.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Billy Graham: America is Just as Wicked...
On 10/18/2014 2:54 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: I don't know about you, Salyavin, but it's difficult for me to imagine someone whose mind is so weak and whose fear of the unknown is so profound that they would exchange a belief in that which can never be proved to exist (because...duh...it doesn't) /This is a clear case of cognitive dissonance. Cognitive dissonance is the mental stress or discomfort experienced by an individual who holds two or more contradictory beliefs, ideas, or values at the same time, or information that conflicts with existing beliefs, ideas, or values. / for the far more interesting and fulfilling sense of MYSTERY that is their birthright. /The mystery is your spiritual path - that apparently has no spirits, and your online persona which doesn't seem to be very spiritual. In fact, most of your activities seem pretty mundane with just a few exceptions. As pointed out to you in a previous exchange, it just doesn't make any sense to claim para-normal powers like levitation, and then to deny in the next message a ///separate reality/ and quote Carlos Castaneda. You don't seem to be able to explain yourself very well. Do you even know what you believe or are you like everyone else figuring this life out on the fly? Carlos Castaneda on self-importance and petty tyrants: http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg276165.html /
[FairfieldLife] Re: Because contact with rationality seems to bother believers so much...
A fine selection, I like the one from Rowan Atkinson. He made it during the debate the UK had on whether the blasphemy law should be extended to other faiths than Christianity. This came as a shock to most of us because we didn't know there still was a blasphemy law. It was Tony (I only know what I believe) Blair's idea, he was bowing to Muslim pressure to make them feel more included in society after the inevitable rise in suspicion after 9/11. Another insinuation was that they might be less likely to go a-suicide bombing if we stopped making fun of Allah. Turns out that the ones who were likely to get radicalised will still do that anyway. It's good to debate these things but most smart people were dead against it and even though the law was extended to all faiths in 2006, the whole thing was abandoned a few years later. A smart move by the Labour government I think. So we are free to make as many vicar/mullah jokes as we like now and not fear prosecution - just getting attacked in the street by any passing cognitive dissonance sufferers. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : My favorite, because it appears to be a real graphic from believers trying to show how stupid atheists are... sounds just like jr_esq or Buck, doesn't it?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Billy Graham: America is Just as Wicked...
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Doncha love how people who believe in an invisible magic man in the sky like to portray those who don't as if *they* are the crazy ones. Sometimes the sheer feeble-mindedness of believers astounds me. Or, as someone once said so well: Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd. -- Voltaire I don't know about you, Salyavin, but it's difficult for me to imagine someone whose mind is so weak and whose fear of the unknown is so profound that they would exchange a belief in that which can never be proved to exist (because...duh...it doesn't) for the far more interesting and fulfilling sense of MYSTERY that is their birthright. I'm just enjoying the responses it gets whenever you say anything contrary to the POV of the believer. Exactly. Thanks for noticing, and getting it. Inquisition actually is a pretty interesting documentary, BTW and deals with similar responses. I will look it up, sounds like my cup of Rosie. Some of the weird fantasies that are getting projected on us are actually fascinating. If I could be bothered to read all of it I might start trying to classify it so we can use it to make predictions about what sort of abuse to expect per rational argument. There's got to be a use for FFL.. Careful, dude. That last sentence almost revealed belief that there might be a Plan behind all of this. :-) :-) :-) Leo Festinger would have been well into this place! Don't know him. Should I? You might have done if I'd spelt it right ;-) When Prophecy Fails - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails When Prophecy Fails - Wikipedia, the free encycl... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails When Prophecy Fails: A Social and Psychological Study of a Modern Group That Predicted the Destruction of the World is a classic work of soci... View on en.wikipedia.org http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails Preview by Yahoo From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 8:58 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Billy Graham: America is Just as Wicked... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Ann, These are good quotes which adequately sum up the attitudes of atheists. LOL, adequately sums them up if you want your own narrow viewpoint bolstered you mean.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ISIS Now Has an Air Force
On 10/17/2014 7:53 PM, jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: If ISIS used WMD in Baghdad, the tenor of the US response will change in equal or greater measure. I think Obama is believing that ISIS is an Arab problem and it should be resolved by the Arab nations in the Middle East. But, so far, no Arab nations have volunteered to help Iraq out by providing troops to fight the ISIS militants. /There is not going to be any help from Arab nations because they are all Arab nations. The only criterion will be if a nation is a member of the Islamic Caliphate, or not. Every nation on the planet is the enemy if you don't support ISIS, the Sunni Islamic State Army. It's not complicated./ If the militants use WMD in the USA or any of the European countries who are members of NATO, /It's not a matter of if - it's just a matter of when. / we'll find NATO forces back in Iraq very quickly to wipe out the ISIS threat. /If anyone wanted to prevent the use of WMD they would have supported the U.S. invasion of Iraq and the subsequent occupation to find and destroy the WMD. Everyone knew that Saddam had stockpiles - that's why the U.S. invaded Iraq in the first place. There are no European troops on the ground in Iraq at this time, so that pretty much tells you who is going to support the U.S. goal of degrading and destroying ISIS./ ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote : Remember how W. and Chaney lied because there never were WMD's in Iraq? Heh Heh. Didn't you read the NYT article? They found over 5000 individual bombs and artillery shells with mustard gas and sarin gas. They were NOT all found much less destroyed before Barack Hussein Ebola ordered US troops out of the country. Anbar provice is still full of undocumented caches of these supplies. ISIS rules most of Anbar, so they may try to use these WMD to strike Baghdad. After all - this is what you get from a neo-marxist.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, and Barry's mind
Yes, take a look at the book - It explains Barry's thinking quite well. A good read, sorry I didn't see it sooner. Freddie said he was the perfect mirror, and if you perceived something negative in him, you were really seeing it in yourself. Sounds so much like Bawee. Explains all the golden light and levitation crap, too. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Look, every body gets the pushing of buttons. We all get ours pushed sometimes, and we all do some pushing ourselves. But, from what you've found below, it does it appear that Barry has elevated this pushing of buttons to, well, some kind of religion. And as in most religions, some things get distorted. Helps to explain things, I think. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : If you want to know how Barry thinks, and how he got so screwed up, there is a free ebook, from someone who was very close to Freddie. The name of the book is: TAKE ME FOR A RIDE Coming Of Age In A Destructive Cult, by Mark E. Laxer. Available on the link that Richard posted. Here are some quotes from the book. When I read them, they sounded strangely familiar. Note: Freddie used to call himself, Atmananada (Soul of Love), before he decided he was the final incarnation of Vishnu. The guy sounds VERY CRAZY: Atmananda exposed his Big Nurse nature in other ways. He claimed, for instance, that he had to press all the right buttons to help people overcome their resistance to the Light and to him…. He taught me to fear what would happen if I left the Centre. You know too much to leave. It's a greedy, materialistic world out there. Your soul would be miserable. Besides, the Forces would flatten you like a bug. You would lose thousands of lifetimes of evolution. He taught me to fear, not just the Forces but people, particularly old friends and family. It's best if you don't tell them what we do here. Believe me, they won't understand. They'll end up blocking your progress and sapping your power.“… = Atmananda, I suddenly announced. I *saw* the Warriors. Others in the circle soon *saw* them too. Atmananda held desert trips once or twice a month and, by mid-1983, followers *saw* him walking above the ground on a cushion of light, flying to distant mountains, sending columns of light into the sky, and causing constellations to gyrate and disappear. On one starlit night, Atmananda raised his hands above his head. As he slowly lowered them, he made a low, whistling sound like the wind. What did you *see*? he asked afterward. I didn't *see* anything, one new follower bemoaned. Advanced psychic vision is necessary to perceive what I am doing… == Are you Rama? someone asked. Yes, he replied. I am Rama, the last incarnation of Vishnu. You people think that I am a person, but I am not. Over the years I watched my various selves fade away. I fought the process tooth and nail--like each of you are doing now. But it was in vain. I could not stop the process of dissolution. I had to admit that I was no longer a person. This morning I suddenly knew who I was. I have been cycling...I am beginning to remember...Eternity has named me Rama...Rama most clearly reflects my strand of luminosity...We're at the end of a cycle...At this time, Vishnu takes incarnation as a person...Vishnu is that aspect of God that preserves and protects life...Rama...the last incarnation of Vishnu... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 10/17/2014 9:16 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: But to bring this whole diversion (for that is what it is) back into the present, I really wish that Richard, Jim, and a few others would leave off this try-to-get-to-me-by-bringing-up-Rama shit. It's old, and it's based on your *own* cult thinking and how *your* minds work, not how mine works. You need to get a grip, Barry - you just posted about Rama shit a few months ago! I've seen someone levitate. Many times. In many settings, from the Los Angeles Convention Center to the Anza-Borrego Desert to a Denny's restaurant in the wee hours of the night. - TurquoiseB Subject: TM is a Cult? Author: TurquoiseB Group: Yahoo Fairfieldife Date: Friday, 23 May 2014 Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM is a Cult? http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg317597.html http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg317597.html Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM is a Cult? http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg317597.html From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com Advertising ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Billy Graham: America is Just as Wicked...
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Ann, These are good quotes which adequately sum up the attitudes of atheists. LOL, adequately sums them up if you want your own narrow viewpoint bolstered you mean. Everything is a mystery. What people think and why they think it is mysterious. How I can put one foot in front of the other is a mystery, even if someone thinks they can explain the mechanics of it there remain at least 50 mysteries within that act alone. The biggest mystery being what is motivating the desire to put one foot in front of the other. My life is nothing but mystery, I have enough mystery to keep me busy for 1000 lifetimes so don't start claiming that those who have opinions about something lack the capacity to embrace mystery because to do so is to fall into the very trap you are claiming others are already floundering in. I mean, you're the guy who requires the rigid scientific methods to strip down every mystery. You're the one who can't seem to abide something if it isn't clearly documented and disassembled right down to the boring nitty gritty. So don't talk to me about mystery.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Because contact with rationality seems to bother believers so much...
On 10/18/2014 3:46 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Because contact with rationality seems to bother believers so much... You sound afraid and bothered - almost like you believe your enemies are lurking on FFL social media as aliases - attempting to harm you. Is that being rational? And you sound confused thinking your imaginary enemies care about you when in fact they do not. Your self-importance seems to be winning you over and turning you into a petty tyrant. Go figure. Your messages seem to indicate a clear case of cognitive dissonance: /In order to follow the path of knowledge one has to be very imaginative. In the path of knowledge nothing is as clear as we'd like it to be. Warriors fight self-importance as a matter of strategy, not principle./ - TurquoiseB Carlos Castaneda on self-importance and petty tyrants: http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com/msg276147.html P.S. You are not being very imaginative copying and pasting the work of others, Barry. SNIP
[FairfieldLife] Re: Because contact with rationality seems to bother believers so much...
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : My favorite, because it appears to be a real graphic from believers trying to show how stupid atheists are... sounds just like jr_esq or Buck, doesn't it? Oh dear, now we're into the dueling quotes portion of our discussion. They're a dime a dozen and some are wonderful and clever and funny and cutting from both sides of the debate. bawee seems to have wanted to flood his post with the things.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, and Barry's mind
The Movement does and Marshy did the exact same things -engendering fear about what will happen if you don't go to the Dome, if you go see other gurus, if you get off the program. People who live in glass houses, Fleet From: fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 8:18 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, and Barry's mind If you want to know how Barry thinks, and how he got so screwed up, there is a free ebook, from someone who was very close to Freddie. The name of the book is: TAKE ME FOR A RIDE Coming Of Age In A Destructive Cult, by Mark E. Laxer. Available on the link that Richard posted. Here are some quotes from the book. When I read them, they sounded strangely familiar. Note: Freddie used to call himself, Atmananada (Soul of Love), before he decided he was the final incarnation of Vishnu. The guy sounds VERY CRAZY: Atmanandaexposed his Big Nurse nature in other ways. He claimed, for instance, that he had to press all the right buttons to help people overcome their resistance to the Light and to him…. He taught me to fear what would happen if I left the Centre. You know too much to leave. It's a greedy, materialistic world out there. Your soul would be miserable. Besides, the Forces would flatten you like a bug. You would lose thousands of lifetimes of evolution. He taught me to fear, not just the Forces but people, particularly old friends and family. It's best if you don't tell them what we do here. Believe me, they won't understand. They'll end up blocking your progress and sapping your power.“… = Atmananda, I suddenly announced. I *saw* the Warriors. Others in the circle soon *saw* them too. Atmanandaheld desert trips once or twice a month and, by mid-1983, followers *saw* him walking above the ground on a cushion of light, flying to distant mountains, sending columns of light into the sky, and causing constellations to gyrate and disappear. On one starlit night, Atmanandaraised his hands above his head. As he slowly lowered them, he made a low, whistling sound like the wind. What did you *see*? he asked afterward. I didn't *see* anything, one new follower bemoaned. Advanced psychic vision is necessary to perceive what I am doing… == Are you Rama? someone asked. Yes, he replied. I am Rama, the last incarnation of Vishnu. You people think that I am a person, but I am not. Over the years I watched my various selves fade away. I fought the process tooth and nail--like each of you are doing now. But it was in vain. I could not stop the process of dissolution. I had to admit that I was no longer a person. This morning I suddenly knew who I was. I have been cycling...I am beginning to remember...Eternity has named me Rama...Rama most clearly reflects my strand of luminosity...We're at the end of a cycle...At this time, Vishnu takes incarnation as a person...Vishnu is that aspect of God that preserves and protects life...Rama...the last incarnation of Vishnu... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 10/17/2014 9:16 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: But to bring this whole diversion (for that is what it is) back into the present, I really wish that Richard, Jim, and a few others would leave off this try-to-get-to-me-by-bringing-up-Rama shit. It's old, and it's based on your *own* cult thinking and how *your* minds work, not how mine works. You need to get a grip, Barry - you just posted about Rama shit a few months ago! I've seen someone levitate. Many times. In many settings, from the Los Angeles Convention Center to the Anza-Borrego Desert to a Denny's restaurant in the wee hours of the night. - TurquoiseB Subject: TM is a Cult? Author: TurquoiseB Group: Yahoo Fairfieldife Date: Friday, 23 May 2014 Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM is a Cult? Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM is a Cult? From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com Advertising ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :Salya,I think ... View on www.mail-archive.comPreview by Yahoo Richard, you've done it again!
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Inquisition Mindset
Barry, Like Freddie, you cannot accept that what goes around, comes around. People don't like you, because you are sadly, a shitty person, not because of some dark forces or low vibes attacking you. It is YOU, dude. You act like an arrogant judging ass-hole most of the time, and the world lets you know it. If that weren't the case, you wouldn't be so concerned about the few people left in this world who pay you any attention at all, on this forum. So, kindly fuck off, and shut the fuck up - I am so tired of your tales of personal oppression and woe. Your parents did a crap job of raising you to be a responsible adult, and now at 70, it is obviously too damned late. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : This is on my mind today because yesterday I watched the first installment of a recent British TV documentary called Inquisition. I would recommend it -- with some reservations -- but to tell the truth it's all a bit mysterious and I don't know whether you could really find or watch it if I did recommend it. It was originally broadcast on UKTV's Yesterday channel, and pre-billed as shocking. It was also pre-billed as being a four-part series. I've only been able to find three episodes, so that causes me to wonder what happened to the fourth one? Not to mention the series itself, which it is somewhat difficult to find out information about. It *IS* shocking, and intentionally so. It is about as biased against the Catholic Church and religion in general as it is possible to be. It is also -- as much as I hate to admit this -- primarily historically accurate. The first episode (the only one I've watched) dealt with the origins of the Inquisition, and thus the Cathars and the Templars, two societies with which I have a somewhat scholarly relationship. I kept waiting for the announcer (who I hated) to say something I knew to be historically wrong as part of his rant against the maniacs in the Catholic Church who had perpetrated these atrocities...and I kept waiting, and waiting, and waiting. In that first episode, I only detected a handful of historical errors or inaccuracies, none of them major. Yes, the series' depiction of these times is biased. And yes, it is designed to be sensationalist. The violence and torture depicted in the first episode are graphic and horrific, and intentionally so. They are *also* historically accurate. The Catholic Church really did *do* all of these things to hundreds of thousands of fellow Christians, in the Church's first (but far from last) genocide. Anyway, I found myself thinking of this series -- and this mindset -- again this morning, after logging into Fairfield Life. So, for those who are interested in such things, I thought I'd pass along a few pointers to this series, even if you're not likely to be able to see it, possibly even in the UK. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3892282/reference http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3892282/reference Inquisition | Yesterday Channel http://yesterday.uktv.co.uk/shows/inquisition/ http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3892282/reference Inquisition (2014) With Toby Green, John Kirk, Lucy Sackville. Visit IMDb for Photos, Showtimes, Cast, Crew, Reviews, Plot Summary, Comments, Discussions, Taglines, Trailers, Posters,... View on www.imdb.com http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3892282/reference Preview by Yahoo http://yesterday.uktv.co.uk/shows/inquisition/ Inquisition | Yesterday Channel http://yesterday.uktv.co.uk/shows/inquisition/ Inquisition is a shocking four-part series exploring persecutions of heresy from history. View on yesterday.uktv.co.uk http://yesterday.uktv.co.uk/shows/inquisition/ Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Because contact with rationality seems to bother believers so much...
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Your favorite because you feel it let's you point out the stupidity of people here? People you have categorized in your mind by their specific beliefs? To me, that says a lot, and is not just a little strange. You're smarter than me 'cause I don't even get it. What is that little rainbow colored poster saying other than whoever wrote it was drunk or English was their second language? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : My favorite, because it appears to be a real graphic from believers trying to show how stupid atheists are... sounds just like jr_esq or Buck, doesn't it?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, and Barry's mind
levitation crap, too. Its as believable as Marshy's levitation crap. From: fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 9:29 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, and Barry's mind Yes, take a look at the book - It explains Barry's thinking quite well. A good read, sorry I didn't see it sooner. Freddie said he was the perfect mirror, and if you perceived something negative in him, you were really seeing it in yourself. Sounds so much like Bawee. Explains all the golden light and levitation crap, too. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Look, every body gets the pushing of buttons. We all get ours pushed sometimes, and we all do some pushing ourselves. But, from what you've found below, it does it appear that Barry has elevated this pushing of buttons to, well, some kind of religion. And as in most religions, some things get distorted. Helps to explain things, I think. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : If you want to know how Barry thinks, and how he got so screwed up, there is a free ebook, from someone who was very close to Freddie. The name of the book is: TAKE ME FOR A RIDE Coming Of Age In A Destructive Cult, by Mark E. Laxer. Available on the link that Richard posted. Here are some quotes from the book. When I read them, they sounded strangely familiar. Note: Freddie used to call himself, Atmananada (Soul of Love), before he decided he was the final incarnation of Vishnu. The guy sounds VERY CRAZY: Atmanandaexposed his Big Nurse nature in other ways. He claimed, for instance, that he had to press all the right buttons to help people overcome their resistance to the Light and to him…. He taught me to fear what would happen if I left the Centre. You know too much to leave. It's a greedy, materialistic world out there. Your soul would be miserable. Besides, the Forces would flatten you like a bug. You would lose thousands of lifetimes of evolution. He taught me to fear, not just the Forces but people, particularly old friends and family. It's best if you don't tell them what we do here. Believe me, they won't understand. They'll end up blocking your progress and sapping your power.“… = Atmananda, I suddenly announced. I *saw* the Warriors. Others in the circle soon *saw* them too. Atmanandaheld desert trips once or twice a month and, by mid-1983, followers *saw* him walking above the ground on a cushion of light, flying to distant mountains, sending columns of light into the sky, and causing constellations to gyrate and disappear. On one starlit night, Atmanandaraised his hands above his head. As he slowly lowered them, he made a low, whistling sound like the wind. What did you *see*? he asked afterward. I didn't *see* anything, one new follower bemoaned. Advanced psychic vision is necessary to perceive what I am doing… == Are you Rama? someone asked. Yes, he replied. I am Rama, the last incarnation of Vishnu. You people think that I am a person, but I am not. Over the years I watched my various selves fade away. I fought the process tooth and nail--like each of you are doing now. But it was in vain. I could not stop the process of dissolution. I had to admit that I was no longer a person. This morning I suddenly knew who I was. I have been cycling...I am beginning to remember...Eternity has named me Rama...Rama most clearly reflects my strand of luminosity...We're at the end of a cycle...At this time, Vishnu takes incarnation as a person...Vishnu is that aspect of God that preserves and protects life...Rama...the last incarnation of Vishnu... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 10/17/2014 9:16 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: But to bring this whole diversion (for that is what it is) back into the present, I really wish that Richard, Jim, and a few others would leave off this try-to-get-to-me-by-bringing-up-Rama shit. It's old, and it's based on your *own* cult thinking and how *your* minds work, not how mine works. You need to get a grip, Barry - you just posted about Rama shit a few months ago! I've seen someone levitate. Many times. In many settings, from the Los Angeles Convention Center to the Anza-Borrego Desert to a Denny's restaurant in the wee hours of the night. - TurquoiseB Subject: TM is a Cult? Author: TurquoiseB Group: Yahoo Fairfieldife Date: Friday, 23 May 2014 Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM is a Cult? Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM is a Cult? From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com Advertising ---In
Re: [FairfieldLife] Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, and Barry's mind
100 % bullshit, MJ. Have you read the book? ...I didn't think so... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : The Movement does and Marshy did the exact same things -engendering fear about what will happen if you don't go to the Dome, if you go see other gurus, if you get off the program. People who live in glass houses, Fleet From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 8:18 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, and Barry's mind If you want to know how Barry thinks, and how he got so screwed up, there is a free ebook, from someone who was very close to Freddie. The name of the book is: TAKE ME FOR A RIDE Coming Of Age In A Destructive Cult, by Mark E. Laxer. Available on the link that Richard posted. Here are some quotes from the book. When I read them, they sounded strangely familiar. Note: Freddie used to call himself, Atmananada (Soul of Love), before he decided he was the final incarnation of Vishnu. The guy sounds VERY CRAZY: Atmananda exposed his Big Nurse nature in other ways. He claimed, for instance, that he had to press all the right buttons to help people overcome their resistance to the Light and to him…. He taught me to fear what would happen if I left the Centre. You know too much to leave. It's a greedy, materialistic world out there. Your soul would be miserable. Besides, the Forces would flatten you like a bug. You would lose thousands of lifetimes of evolution. He taught me to fear, not just the Forces but people, particularly old friends and family. It's best if you don't tell them what we do here. Believe me, they won't understand. They'll end up blocking your progress and sapping your power.“… = Atmananda, I suddenly announced. I *saw* the Warriors. Others in the circle soon *saw* them too. Atmananda held desert trips once or twice a month and, by mid-1983, followers *saw* him walking above the ground on a cushion of light, flying to distant mountains, sending columns of light into the sky, and causing constellations to gyrate and disappear. On one starlit night, Atmananda raised his hands above his head. As he slowly lowered them, he made a low, whistling sound like the wind. What did you *see*? he asked afterward. I didn't *see* anything, one new follower bemoaned. Advanced psychic vision is necessary to perceive what I am doing… == Are you Rama? someone asked. Yes, he replied. I am Rama, the last incarnation of Vishnu. You people think that I am a person, but I am not. Over the years I watched my various selves fade away. I fought the process tooth and nail--like each of you are doing now. But it was in vain. I could not stop the process of dissolution. I had to admit that I was no longer a person. This morning I suddenly knew who I was. I have been cycling...I am beginning to remember...Eternity has named me Rama...Rama most clearly reflects my strand of luminosity...We're at the end of a cycle...At this time, Vishnu takes incarnation as a person...Vishnu is that aspect of God that preserves and protects life...Rama...the last incarnation of Vishnu... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 10/17/2014 9:16 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: But to bring this whole diversion (for that is what it is) back into the present, I really wish that Richard, Jim, and a few others would leave off this try-to-get-to-me-by-bringing-up-Rama shit. It's old, and it's based on your *own* cult thinking and how *your* minds work, not how mine works. You need to get a grip, Barry - you just posted about Rama shit a few months ago! I've seen someone levitate. Many times. In many settings, from the Los Angeles Convention Center to the Anza-Borrego Desert to a Denny's restaurant in the wee hours of the night. - TurquoiseB Subject: TM is a Cult? Author: TurquoiseB Group: Yahoo Fairfieldife Date: Friday, 23 May 2014 Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM is a Cult? http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg317597.html http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg317597.html Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM is a Cult? http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg317597.html From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com Advertising ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :Salya,I think ... View on www.mail-archive.com Preview by Yahoo Richard, you've done it again!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, and Barry's mind
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : If you want to know how Barry thinks, and how he got so screwed up, there is a free ebook, from someone who was very close to Freddie. The name of the book is: TAKE ME FOR A RIDE Coming Of Age In A Destructive Cult, by Mark E. Laxer. Available on the link that Richard posted. Here are some quotes from the book. When I read them, they sounded strangely familiar. Note: Freddie used to call himself, Atmananada (Soul of Love), before he decided he was the final incarnation of Vishnu. The guy sounds VERY CRAZY: Atmananda exposed his Big Nurse nature in other ways. He claimed, for instance, that he had to press all the right buttons to help people overcome their resistance to the Light and to him…. He taught me to fear what would happen if I left the Centre. You know too much to leave. It's a greedy, materialistic world out there. Your soul would be miserable. Besides, the Forces would flatten you like a bug. You would lose thousands of lifetimes of evolution. He taught me to fear, not just the Forces but people, particularly old friends and family. It's best if you don't tell them what we do here. Believe me, they won't understand. They'll end up blocking your progress and sapping your power.“… = Atmananda, I suddenly announced. I *saw* the Warriors. Others in the circle soon *saw* them too. Atmananda held desert trips once or twice a month and, by mid-1983, followers *saw* him walking above the ground on a cushion of light, flying to distant mountains, sending columns of light into the sky, and causing constellations to gyrate and disappear. On one starlit night, Atmananda raised his hands above his head. As he slowly lowered them, he made a low, whistling sound like the wind. What did you *see*? he asked afterward. I didn't *see* anything, one new follower bemoaned. Advanced psychic vision is necessary to perceive what I am doing… == Are you Rama? someone asked. Yes, he replied. I am Rama, the last incarnation of Vishnu. You people think that I am a person, but I am not. Over the years I watched my various selves fade away. I fought the process tooth and nail--like each of you are doing now. But it was in vain. I could not stop the process of dissolution. I had to admit that I was no longer a person. This morning I suddenly knew who I was. I have been cycling...I am beginning to remember...Eternity has named me Rama...Rama most clearly reflects my strand of luminosity...We're at the end of a cycle...At this time, Vishnu takes incarnation as a person...Vishnu is that aspect of God that preserves and protects life...Rama...the last incarnation of Vishnu... It is always interesting to read the accounts of head spaces others have occupied. These quotes are revealing, Mac. The button pushing one is classic and the account of the newcomer not seeing anything regarding super powers of poor, deluded, narcissistic Freddie is very telling. No wonder bawee is so reactive now to so much. He is someone who has been well and truly hoodwinked and is about as bitter as you could get. And he still uses the technique Fred used on him and all those involved; push buttons to expose their tendencies, to figure out more about them in order to keep them weak and needing and off balance if you can. bawee is like the abused who will continue to spew his anger and disappointment everywhere he goes - he is now the abuser.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Billy Graham: America is Just as Wicked...
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : As his true self, his Freddie addiction, and massive hypocrisy, are revealed, little Bawee has turned into the FFL troll. Poor bastard. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Jesus, Barry, when did you set the bar so low for yourself? Is it really necessary to distort what someone says, just so you can attack the distortion. That also applies to your BFF, although, not so much. Steve, this observation brilliant.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Billy Graham: America is Just as Wicked...
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 10/18/2014 2:54 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Doncha love how people who believe in an invisible magic man in the sky like to portray those who don't as if *they* are the crazy ones. Sometimes the sheer feeble-mindedness of believers astounds me. Or, as someone once said so well: You sound really confused, Barry, like Don Quixote tilting at windmills and attacking imaginary enemies. You sound like a True Believer where everything is either black or white with no shades of grey. Traditionally Buddhists throughout the world consider that the universe contains more beings in it than are normally visible to humans. Buddhists have no objection to the existence of the Hindu gods. Nevertheless, Buddhists can't take refuge in the gods because the gods are not Buddha. That is, they are not enlightened. All the Hindu gods, for all their power, are not the final truth of things. Power does not necessarily entail insight, and for Buddhists the gods do not have the liberating insight. But none of this entails that the gods do not exist or that the gods cannot exert a powerful influence over our lives. Thus, the Buddhist has no problem with the gods like you seem to have. Really nice post Richard. Sometimes your learning and, dare I say it, wisdom really comes through.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Belief in God is a form of mental illness
On 10/18/2014 4:12 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Belief in God is a form of mental illness Well, I guess we know what Barry does on Saturday night and where he puts most of his energy. We should probably feel flattered. But, I'm starting to feel really sorry for this guy - it takes a really lonely, troubled and confused mind to want to post cartoons poking fun at imagined enemies on social media - rather than go out on a date and having some fun. There is more to life than reading Facebook, Barry. /Warriors take strategic inventories. They list everything they do. Then they decide which of those things can be changed in order to allow themselves a respite, in terms of expending their energy./ - TurquoiseB Carlos Castaneda on self-importance and petty tyrants: http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com/msg276147.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, and Barry's mind
From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 3:39 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, and Barry's mind levitation crap, too. Its as believable as Marshy's levitation crap. Somewhat more believable, actually. One could easily produce depositions from hundreds of people over the years who saw Freddie levitate. Possibly a couple of thousand of them, total. Has the TMO produced even *one* person who claims on the record to have seen Maharishi or anyone else levitate (for real, that is...say, hanging in the air for several *minutes* without descending, not seconds)? They have not.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Billy Graham: America is Just as Wicked...
On 10/18/2014 6:45 AM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Jesus, Barry, when did you set the bar so low for yourself? /Sometimes people get confused when they get old and they sometimes lash out at imagined enemies, Steve. The sad thing is that we have a real enemy on the war path in Iraq, but Barry thinks you are his enemy. It may be that he is just scared and afraid and feels vulnerable - unable to control his own thoughts or his environment. That's when the cognitive dissonance sets in. Cognitive dissonance is the mental stress or discomfort experienced by an individual who holds two or more contradictory beliefs, ideas, or values at the same time.For example, a belief in karma and at the same time, a denial of causation. It just doesn't make any sense. // // //Barry seems to want to be spiritual and he's been a seeker for most of his adult life, but obviously he hasn't found all the answers. That must be really frustrating - now he is seeking confirmation of some kind - or an appeal for help?/ Is it really necessary to distort what someone says, just so you can attack the distortion. That also applies to your BFF, although, not so much. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Doncha love how people who believe in an invisible magic man in the sky like to portray those who don't as if *they* are the crazy ones. Sometimes the sheer feeble-mindedness of believers astounds me. Or, as someone once said so well: Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd. -- Voltaire I don't know about you, Salyavin, but it's difficult for me to imagine someone whose mind is so weak and whose fear of the unknown is so profound that they would exchange a belief in that which can never be proved to exist (because...duh...it doesn't) for the far more interesting and fulfilling sense of MYSTERY that is their birthright. *From:* salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Saturday, October 18, 2014 8:58 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Billy Graham: America is Just as Wicked... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Ann, These are good quotes which adequately sum up the attitudes of atheists. LOL, adequately sums them up if you want your own narrow viewpoint bolstered you mean. Mystery creates wonder and wonder is the basis of man's desire to understand. - Neil Armstrong
Re: [FairfieldLife] OK, this Ebola conspiracy theory is actually funny
I guess turq is calling the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Prevention (CIDRAP) criminal and fearful since they are who posted that ebola is airborne. Go figger. Hey, Bhairitu, I'm adding turmeric to my daily regimen along with colloidal silver. I figure it's also anti viral, bacterial, fungal, microbial, etc and is why there's no ebola in India. On Saturday, October 18, 2014 7:50 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: As a sometimes medical writer I have been horrified to hear some of the near-criminal misinformation being spread on this forum about Ebola. But I understand where it comes from -- America, and the American TV News Mindset. It runs on 24/7 FEAR, and so do Americans. They shoot FEAR like junkies shoot heroin, and with similar effects. Their movies don't help them to stay grounded in reality much, either:
[FairfieldLife] The celebrities you're stalking tell you about their favorite books
I particularly liked: Robin Williams “Oh my god, Isaac Asimov’s Foundation trilogy. It’s one of the greatest books of all time, and the greatest character is The Mule.” 50 Cultural Icons on Their Favorite Books 50 Cultural Icons on Their Favorite Books Everybody loves a good book. Yes, everybody -- even the rich, famous and culturally relevant. And since there's nothing better than a book recommendation from some... View on flavorwire.com Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] astonishing ebola protocols
Thanks for posting the information. The most important step in avoiding the Ebola infection and the spread of the Ebola virus is the quarantine. Three issues about the current quarantine protocol really bother me: 1. the air circulation system including filters and air conditioning and oxygen delivery 2. the use of city waste water systems for disposal of the contaminated liquid and solid waste Also, there seems to be a contradiction here: /It is not like influenza, which spreads on particles that you sneeze or cough. However, Ebola lives in vomit, diarrhea and saliva ?-- and these avenues for infection can travel. Projectile vomiting is called so for a reason. Particles that are in vomit may aerosolize at the moment the patient vomits./ On 10/18/2014 6:51 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: I'm a Hazmat-Trained Hospital Worker: Here's What No One Is Telling You About Ebola http://www.huffingtonpost.com/abby-norman/im-a-hazmat-trained-hospi_b_5998486.html?utm_hp_ref=healthy-living image http://www.huffingtonpost.com/abby-norman/im-a-hazmat-trained-hospi_b_5998486.html?utm_hp_ref=healthy-living I'm a Hazmat-Trained Hospital Worker: Here's What No ... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/abby-norman/im-a-hazmat-trained-hospi_b_5998486.html?utm_hp_ref=healthy-living You can't just expect any nurse or any doctor or any health care worker or layperson to understand the deconning procedures by way of some kind of p... View on www.huffingtonpost... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/abby-norman/im-a-hazmat-trained-hospi_b_5998486.html?utm_hp_ref=healthy-living Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ISIS Now Has an Air Force
No weapons of mass destruction have been found. - Judy Stein /Judy - I think maybe you lied to yourself too. Before the invasion, did you post any statements expressing any doubts that Saddam had WMD? If you did, maybe I missed it. Both The Times and The Post published editorials supporting the claim that Saddam had WMD. But it seems to me that it was a given, by everyone, except maybe Scott Ritter - including both Democrats and Republicans - Blix, the U.N., France, Germany, Great Britain, and U.S.A. etc., that Saddam had WMD, and everyone apparently agreed./ - Richard J. Williams, 2003 On 10/17/2014 6:47 PM, emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Remember how W. and Chaney lied because there never were WMD's in Iraq? Heh Heh. /There are stockpiles of WMD all over the Iraq countryside now in the possession of ISIS./ Didn't you read the NYT article? They found over 5000 individual bombs and artillery shells with mustard gas and sarin gas. They were NOT all found much less destroyed before Barack Hussein Ebola ordered US troops out of the country. Anbar provice is still full of undocumented caches of these supplies. ISIS rules most of Anbar, so they may try to use these WMD to strike Baghdad. After all - this is what you get from a neo-marxist.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, and Barry's mind
Rama was all about fear and imagination. The guy never got even a millimeter off the ground, or accomplished any other feats. You were in a trance, and brainwashed, Barry. He also did LOTS of LSD, which he encouraged his followers to use, in addition to keeping you in a constant state of sleep deprivation. What about being in an abusive cult, don't you get? You are in DEEP DENIAL about how cruel and horrible a person, Freddie was, because you continue to emulate him. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 3:39 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, and Barry's mind levitation crap, too. Its as believable as Marshy's levitation crap. Somewhat more believable, actually. One could easily produce depositions from hundreds of people over the years who saw Freddie levitate. Possibly a couple of thousand of them, total. Has the TMO produced even *one* person who claims on the record to have seen Maharishi or anyone else levitate (for real, that is...say, hanging in the air for several *minutes* without descending, not seconds)? They have not.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, and Barry's mind
This is probably why Barry has no relationships with a girlfriend, spouse, children, family, roommates, or friends. Lenz hated anything that would take attention and adoration away from him, so he taught his students, especially his inner circle, of which Barry was one, to be fearful of others, to learn to dislike everyone else, that they could sap your psychic energy, or attack you in your dreams. When angered, Lenz would often make remarks that the one who displeased him, would get in a car accident, or get cancer. A very vindictive and insecure person. He believed, just as Barry continues to, that the world is getting darker and darker, and that fantasies of revenge were useful. Sick, sick, sick. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : If you want to know how Barry thinks, and how he got so screwed up, there is a free ebook, from someone who was very close to Freddie. The name of the book is: TAKE ME FOR A RIDE Coming Of Age In A Destructive Cult, by Mark E. Laxer. Available on the link that Richard posted. Here are some quotes from the book. When I read them, they sounded strangely familiar. Note: Freddie used to call himself, Atmananada (Soul of Love), before he decided he was the final incarnation of Vishnu. The guy sounds VERY CRAZY: Atmananda exposed his Big Nurse nature in other ways. He claimed, for instance, that he had to press all the right buttons to help people overcome their resistance to the Light and to him…. He taught me to fear what would happen if I left the Centre. You know too much to leave. It's a greedy, materialistic world out there. Your soul would be miserable. Besides, the Forces would flatten you like a bug. You would lose thousands of lifetimes of evolution. He taught me to fear, not just the Forces but people, particularly old friends and family. It's best if you don't tell them what we do here. Believe me, they won't understand. They'll end up blocking your progress and sapping your power.“… = Atmananda, I suddenly announced. I *saw* the Warriors. Others in the circle soon *saw* them too. Atmananda held desert trips once or twice a month and, by mid-1983, followers *saw* him walking above the ground on a cushion of light, flying to distant mountains, sending columns of light into the sky, and causing constellations to gyrate and disappear. On one starlit night, Atmananda raised his hands above his head. As he slowly lowered them, he made a low, whistling sound like the wind. What did you *see*? he asked afterward. I didn't *see* anything, one new follower bemoaned. Advanced psychic vision is necessary to perceive what I am doing… == Are you Rama? someone asked. Yes, he replied. I am Rama, the last incarnation of Vishnu. You people think that I am a person, but I am not. Over the years I watched my various selves fade away. I fought the process tooth and nail--like each of you are doing now. But it was in vain. I could not stop the process of dissolution. I had to admit that I was no longer a person. This morning I suddenly knew who I was. I have been cycling...I am beginning to remember...Eternity has named me Rama...Rama most clearly reflects my strand of luminosity...We're at the end of a cycle...At this time, Vishnu takes incarnation as a person...Vishnu is that aspect of God that preserves and protects life...Rama...the last incarnation of Vishnu... It is always interesting to read the accounts of head spaces others have occupied. These quotes are revealing, Mac. The button pushing one is classic and the account of the newcomer not seeing anything regarding super powers of poor, deluded, narcissistic Freddie is very telling. No wonder bawee is so reactive now to so much. He is someone who has been well and truly hoodwinked and is about as bitter as you could get. And he still uses the technique Fred used on him and all those involved; push buttons to expose their tendencies, to figure out more about them in order to keep them weak and needing and off balance if you can. bawee is like the abused who will continue to spew his anger and disappointment everywhere he goes - he is now the abuser.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ISIS Now Has an Air Force
These relatively small caches of weapons are not what Bush and that other moron, used to justify the slaughter of hundreds of thousands, in Iraq. Remember, Richard, it was the scare tactic of mentioning, The Mushroom Cloud. Bush and his cronies deliberately used the specter of nuclear war to get us into Iraq. Just because the NYT and Wash Post have now tried to revise history, doesn't make it true. It was a deliberate, and still unsubstantiated LIE. No WMDs exist in Iraq, and they never have, unless the US has now transported them there. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : No weapons of mass destruction have been found. - Judy Stein Judy - I think maybe you lied to yourself too. Before the invasion, did you post any statements expressing any doubts that Saddam had WMD? If you did, maybe I missed it. Both The Times and The Post published editorials supporting the claim that Saddam had WMD. But it seems to me that it was a given, by everyone, except maybe Scott Ritter - including both Democrats and Republicans - Blix, the U.N., France, Germany, Great Britain, and U.S.A. etc., that Saddam had WMD, and everyone apparently agreed. - Richard J. Williams, 2003 On 10/17/2014 6:47 PM, emptybill@... mailto:emptybill@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Remember how W. and Chaney lied because there never were WMD's in Iraq? Heh Heh. There are stockpiles of WMD all over the Iraq countryside now in the possession of ISIS. Didn't you read the NYT article? They found over 5000 individual bombs and artillery shells with mustard gas and sarin gas. They were NOT all found much less destroyed before Barack Hussein Ebola ordered US troops out of the country. Anbar provice is still full of undocumented caches of these supplies. ISIS rules most of Anbar, so they may try to use these WMD to strike Baghdad. After all - this is what you get from a neo-marxist.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Billy Graham: America is Just as Wicked...
On 10/18/2014 7:26 AM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: As his true self, his Freddie addiction, and massive hypocrisy, are revealed, little Bawee has turned into the FFL troll. Poor bastard. /Isn't ironic that Barry would wind up being labelled the FFL troll - a person who sends duplicitous messages to get angry responses.//Go figure./ Reason for trolling: * Seeks to dominate the thread by inciting anger or an angry response. * An indication of disturbing situations regarding family, relationships, substances, and schools. * Stating extreme positions to make his or her actual beliefs seem moderate. * A blatant violation of forum guidelines in order to see whether any action is taken by the forum administrator. * To some people, the thought of a 60-year-old Internet user sending a gross post is funny. * One of the greatest themes in trolling - one minute of your time spent causing 10 other people to waste ten or more minutes. * In some cases, the individuals do not think of themselves as trolls, but misunderstood writers, and/or political or religious commentators.
Re: [FairfieldLife] OK, this Ebola conspiracy theory is actually funny
On 10/18/2014 7:50 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: As a sometimes medical writer /You suck as a medical writer, Barry - there's nothing funny about Ebola. / I have been horrified to hear some of the near-criminal misinformation being spread on this forum about Ebola. /You have posted exactly ZERO information to FFL about Ebola, Barry. You suck as an informant! https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/search/messages/ebola https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/search/messages?query=ebola /
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Billy Graham: America is Just as Wicked...
I don't know about you, Salyavin, but it's difficult for me to imagine someone whose mind is so weak and whose fear of the unknown is so profound that they would exchange a belief in that which can never be proved to exist (because...duh...it doesn't) for the far more interesting and fulfilling sense of MYSTERY that is their birthright. On 10/18/2014 7:50 AM, salyavin808 wrote: I'm just enjoying the responses it gets whenever you say anything contrary to the POV of the believer. Some of the weird fantasies that are getting projected on us are actually fascinating. If I could be bothered to read all of it I might start trying to classify it so we can use it to make predictions about what sort of abuse to expect per rational argument. There's got to be a use for FFL.. /What else is their to say - you don't seem to want to talk about Rotherham. Sometimes it's what people don't say that is the most interesting part of their response. Go figure./ Leo Festinger would have been well into this place!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Tis the season of the witch
On 10/17/2014 07:36 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Been catching Gracepoint to see what they do with it over the original, Broadchurch which played last year on BBC America. Features a lot of scenery from Ann's neck of the woods despite the New York State credit at the end. According to a member of another forum I'm on who did the special effect New York credit is there because it's being edited there and they get a tax rebate for that. It's mostly shot on Vancouver Island with some second unit done near Santa Cruz, California. The cliffs in the show are all his companies work as a special effect. It's on FOX. Since I am a TV delinquent I can't say I have watched any of the Gracepoint series but many I know have been. Most of it was shot within 15 miles of my house including the little brown church which is across the street from me. Pretty fun for the locals. Then they had a big auction of all of the movie leftovers at the Fairgrounds (this is one of the oldest fairs in Canada beginning in 1868). There was so much stuff in the way of costumes and props it was quite overwhelming, or so I heard. Cool. I don't know what kind of props and costumes they would have had since the show is pretty much modern day. I guess maybe the outfits that David Tenant and Anna Gunn wore. The problem is that the show is supposed to take place in a town on the coast of northern California. So where are the palm trees? You can find those all the way up to Eureka. The architecture is very northwest too. And those with finer eyes will realize that other foliage isn't right. I guess Bodega Bay was too expensive or nor tax breaks. Back around 1980 I had a film crew take up parking across the street from where I was living to shoot a scene in a tavern for a TV movie. They were there the whole day and the scene in the movie lasted about 5 minutes. They don't do that anymore.
Re: [FairfieldLife] OK, this Ebola conspiracy theory is actually funny
Yup, every time someone coughs or sneezes it's duck and cover! Sell a lot of colloidal silver though. On 10/18/2014 05:50 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: As a sometimes medical writer I have been horrified to hear some of the near-criminal misinformation being spread on this forum about Ebola. But I understand where it comes from -- America, and the American TV News Mindset. It runs on 24/7 FEAR, and so do Americans. They shoot FEAR like junkies shoot heroin, and with similar effects. Their movies don't help them to stay grounded in reality much, either: https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10387231_10203119197076506_3371207522701145212_n.jpg?oh=0fe0b4d4b1ad996f47d3460d5efa1f1doe=54B51C2C
[FairfieldLife] TM Free Excerpt
A little excerpt from a recent TM Free post: Fairfield residents have been dragging their feet around suicide prevention for years. This is due not only to the American stigma around mental illness. It is also exacerbated by TM official and unofficial doctrine. Just a few of them are: - Maharishi disapproved of Western psychotherapy. - If you saw a psychotherapist, you could be disqualified from attending a TM course. - TM is supposed to make you emotionally healthy, therefore if you report emotional problems, you are making TM look bad. - People with emotional problems have been advised to do more asanas or learn the TM-Sidhis, rather than to seek professional help. - People with emotional problems have been told they are unstressing rather than being advised to seek professional help. - When people have had emotional problems (including hospitalizations and suicides), the TM organization has tended to hide the information or blame the person for being too emotionally unstable to begin with. - People with emotional problems have been misdiagnosed by TMers as being in higher states of consciousness.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, and Barry's mind
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 3:39 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, and Barry's mind levitation crap, too. Its as believable as Marshy's levitation crap. Somewhat more believable, actually. One could easily produce depositions from hundreds of people over the years who saw Freddie levitate. Possibly a couple of thousand of them, total. Has the TMO produced even *one* person who claims on the record to have seen Maharishi or anyone else levitate (for real, that is...say, hanging in the air for several *minutes* without descending, not seconds)? They have not. Touchy, touchy. Now, of all of those thousands of people who saw Lenz levitate how come no one ever got a picture, a video? Was this verboten? Did this not ever occur to anyone that it might be an interesting catalogue of events to have this somehow on some format that others could see? Lenz was a raging narcissist, how come he didn't invite TV stations to come and tape him levitating? You know why? 'Cause he wasn't ever levitating. What harm would there have been for some record of this, beyond someone's say so, to have been made? Put up or shut up. Your master was no more accomplished at levitating than anyone else - which is no one.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, and Barry's mind
On 10/18/2014 8:29 AM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Yes, take a look at the book - It explains Barry's thinking quite well. A good read, sorry I didn't see it sooner. /The Zen Master Rama took Barry for a long ride and charged him big bucks just to be in his company. The entire Barry guru scam is laid out in this book by a former cult member who managed to escape the cult with his mind still somewhat intact. The question is, why didn't Barry provide this information to us years ago?// // //Some cult members never get out of the cult mindset. They go into a kind of reverse-cult mentality - imagining that everyone else - is in a cult, all seeking to destroy him. It's a form of paranoia that sometimes sets in when a cult member gets deprogrammed./ /No wonder Barry is so angry and strident - he's been turned./ /When that happens, the former cult member imagines his old friends are in a cult and tries to get them to join his new cult, which is the anti-cult cult, and to follow his new leaders. Instead of being really deprogrammed, it just sets up a new cult mindset. This has been noted by sociologists who study cults and cult awareness networks (CAN)./ Freddie said he was the perfect mirror, and if you perceived something negative in him, you were really seeing it in yourself. Sounds so much like Bawee. Explains all the golden light and levitation crap, too. /Obviously Barry let himself get brain-washed and put into a trance-induction state by the leader of the cult - Fred Lenz. Nobody in their right mind is going to pay $10,000 just to attend a few levitation demonstrations. You'd have to be in almost total cognitive dissonance after being exposed to that level of fraud and deception over a decade. / ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Look, every body gets the pushing of buttons. We all get ours pushed sometimes, and we all do some pushing ourselves. But, from what you've found below, it does it appear that Barry has elevated this pushing of buttons to, well, some kind of religion. And as in most religions, some things get distorted. Helps to explain things, I think. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : If you want to know how Barry thinks, and how he got so screwed up, there is a free ebook, from someone who was very close to Freddie. The name of the book is: *TAKE ME FOR A RIDE Coming Of Age In A Destructive Cult, **by Mark E. Laxer. *Available on the link that Richard posted. * * Here are some quotes from the book. When I read them, they sounded strangely familiar. Note: Freddie used to call himself, Atmananada (Soul of Love), before he decided he was the final incarnation of Vishnu. The guy sounds VERY CRAZY: Atmanandaexposed his Big Nurse nature in other ways. He claimed, for instance, that he had to press all the right buttons to help people overcome their resistance to the Light and to him…. He taught me to fear what would happen if I left the Centre. You know too much to leave. It's a greedy, materialistic world out there. Your soul would be miserable. Besides, the Forces would flatten you like a bug. You would lose thousands of lifetimes of evolution. He taught me to fear, not just the Forces but people, particularly old friends and family. It's best if you don't tell them what we do here. Believe me, they won't understand. They'll end up blocking your progress and sapping your power.“… = Atmananda, I suddenly announced. I *saw* the Warriors. Others in the circle soon *saw* them too. Atmanandaheld desert trips once or twice a month and, by mid-1983, followers *saw* him walking above the ground on a cushion of light, flying to distant mountains, sending columns of light into the sky, and causing constellations to gyrate and disappear. On one starlit night, Atmanandaraised his hands above his head. As he slowly lowered them, he made a low, whistling sound like the wind. What did you *see*? he asked afterward. I didn't *see* anything, one new follower bemoaned. Advanced psychic vision is necessary to perceive what I am doing… == Are you Rama? someone asked. Yes, he replied. I am Rama, the last incarnation of Vishnu. You people think that I am a person, but I am not. Over the years I watched my various selves fade away. I fought the process tooth and nail--like each of you are doing now. But it was in vain. I could not stop the process of dissolution. I had to admit that I was no longer a person. This morning I suddenly knew who I was. I have been cycling...I am beginning to remember...Eternity has named me Rama...Rama most clearly reflects my strand of luminosity...We're at the end of a cycle...At this time, Vishnu takes incarnation as a person...Vishnu is that aspect of God that
Re: [FairfieldLife] OK, this Ebola conspiracy theory is actually funny
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : I guess turq is calling the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Prevention (CIDRAP) criminal and fearful since they are who posted that ebola is airborne. Go figger. Hey, Bhairitu, I'm adding turmeric to my daily regimen along with colloidal silver. I figure it's also anti viral, bacterial, fungal, microbial, etc and is why there's no ebola in India. Share, I think we can safely say that as long as you stay in FF Iowa your chances of getting Ebola are less than 0%. Which is to say 'impossible'.
Re: [FairfieldLife] OK, this Ebola conspiracy theory is actually funny
Bhairitu, don't forget the turmeric and echinecea (-: BTW, I have no stock in any of these items. Go figger! On Saturday, October 18, 2014 11:22 AM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Yup, every time someone coughs or sneezes it's duck and cover! Sell a lot of colloidal silver though. On 10/18/2014 05:50 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: As a sometimes medical writer I have been horrified to hear some of the near-criminal misinformation being spread on this forum about Ebola. But I understand where it comes from -- America, and the American TV News Mindset. It runs on 24/7 FEAR, and so do Americans. They shoot FEAR like junkies shoot heroin, and with similar effects. Their movies don't help them to stay grounded in reality much, either:
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, and Barry's mind
On 10/18/2014 8:39 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: levitation crap, too. /Are you saying that Barry is a liar and a braggart?/ Its as believable as Marshy's levitation crap. /The issue is not whether or not levitation or yogic flying is possible - the issue is whether or not you believe Barry witnessed it hundreds of times./ *From:* fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Saturday, October 18, 2014 9:29 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, and Barry's mind Yes, take a look at the book - It explains Barry's thinking quite well. A good read, sorry I didn't see it sooner. Freddie said he was the perfect mirror, and if you perceived something negative in him, you were really seeing it in yourself. Sounds so much like Bawee. Explains all the golden light and levitation crap, too. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Look, every body gets the pushing of buttons. We all get ours pushed sometimes, and we all do some pushing ourselves. But, from what you've found below, it does it appear that Barry has elevated this pushing of buttons to, well, some kind of religion. And as in most religions, some things get distorted. Helps to explain things, I think. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : If you want to know how Barry thinks, and how he got so screwed up, there is a free ebook, from someone who was very close to Freddie. The name of the book is: *TAKE ME FOR A RIDE Coming Of Age In A Destructive Cult, **by Mark E. Laxer. *Available on the link that Richard posted. * * Here are some quotes from the book. When I read them, they sounded strangely familiar. Note: Freddie used to call himself, Atmananada (Soul of Love), before he decided he was the final incarnation of Vishnu. The guy sounds VERY CRAZY: Atmanandaexposed his Big Nurse nature in other ways. He claimed, for instance, that he had to press all the right buttons to help people overcome their resistance to the Light and to him…. He taught me to fear what would happen if I left the Centre. You know too much to leave. It's a greedy, materialistic world out there. Your soul would be miserable. Besides, the Forces would flatten you like a bug. You would lose thousands of lifetimes of evolution. He taught me to fear, not just the Forces but people, particularly old friends and family. It's best if you don't tell them what we do here. Believe me, they won't understand. They'll end up blocking your progress and sapping your power.“… = Atmananda, I suddenly announced. I *saw* the Warriors. Others in the circle soon *saw* them too. Atmanandaheld desert trips once or twice a month and, by mid-1983, followers *saw* him walking above the ground on a cushion of light, flying to distant mountains, sending columns of light into the sky, and causing constellations to gyrate and disappear. On one starlit night, Atmanandaraised his hands above his head. As he slowly lowered them, he made a low, whistling sound like the wind. What did you *see*? he asked afterward. I didn't *see* anything, one new follower bemoaned. Advanced psychic vision is necessary to perceive what I am doing… == Are you Rama? someone asked. Yes, he replied. I am Rama, the last incarnation of Vishnu. You people think that I am a person, but I am not. Over the years I watched my various selves fade away. I fought the process tooth and nail--like each of you are doing now. But it was in vain. I could not stop the process of dissolution. I had to admit that I was no longer a person. This morning I suddenly knew who I was. I have been cycling...I am beginning to remember...Eternity has named me Rama...Rama most clearly reflects my strand of luminosity...We're at the end of a cycle...At this time, Vishnu takes incarnation as a person...Vishnu is that aspect of God that preserves and protects life...Rama...the last incarnation of Vishnu... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 10/17/2014 9:16 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: But to bring this whole diversion (for that is what it is) back into the present, I really wish that Richard, Jim, and a few others would leave off this try-to-get-to-me-by-bringing-up-Rama shit. It's old, and it's based on your *own* cult thinking and how *your* minds work, not how mine works. You need to get a grip, Barry - you just posted about Rama
[FairfieldLife] Re: OK, this Ebola conspiracy theory is actually funny
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : As a sometimes medical writer I have been horrified to hear some of the near-criminal misinformation being spread on this forum about Ebola. But I understand where it comes from -- America, and the American TV News Mindset. It runs on 24/7 FEAR, and so do Americans. They shoot FEAR like junkies shoot heroin, and with similar effects.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Inquisition Mindset
On 10/18/2014 8:40 AM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Barry, Like Freddie, you cannot accept that what goes around, comes around. People don't like you, because you are sadly, a shitty person, not because of some dark forces or low vibes attacking you. It is YOU, dude. You act like an arrogant judging ass-hole most of the time, and the world lets you know it. If that weren't the case, you wouldn't be so concerned about the few people left in this world who pay you any attention at all, on this forum. So, kindly fuck off, and shut the fuck up - I am so tired of your tales of personal oppression and woe. Your parents did a crap job of raising you to be a responsible adult, and now at 70, it is obviously too damned late. /It could be that Barry feels persecuted /and //concerned with what other people think or believe./ Without a central grounding in reality some older people fall into nihilism - the rejection of all religious and moral principles, often in the belief that life is meaningless, purposeless, or lacks any intrinsic value. Some confused individuals even come to believe that knowledge itself is not even possible - nothing can be known - or that reality does not even exist. This attitude can lead to depression and a lack of optimism in life. For them, there is no enjoy./
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, and Barry's mind
I finished the book, which was quite a page turner - Lenz was really into mind-fucking people, kind of a spiritual criminal. I stumbled around, as clueless as the next person, when I was young, but I could *always* smell a phony, and Lenz, from what I have seen of him, never would have passed my smell test. Insecure and sleazy is a bad combination. I hope Barry opens his eyes, to the cage this asshole put him in. And soon. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 10/18/2014 8:29 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Yes, take a look at the book - It explains Barry's thinking quite well. A good read, sorry I didn't see it sooner. The Zen Master Rama took Barry for a long ride and charged him big bucks just to be in his company. The entire Barry guru scam is laid out in this book by a former cult member who managed to escape the cult with his mind still somewhat intact. The question is, why didn't Barry provide this information to us years ago? Some cult members never get out of the cult mindset. They go into a kind of reverse-cult mentality - imagining that everyone else - is in a cult, all seeking to destroy him. It's a form of paranoia that sometimes sets in when a cult member gets deprogrammed. No wonder Barry is so angry and strident - he's been turned. When that happens, the former cult member imagines his old friends are in a cult and tries to get them to join his new cult, which is the anti-cult cult, and to follow his new leaders. Instead of being really deprogrammed, it just sets up a new cult mindset. This has been noted by sociologists who study cults and cult awareness networks (CAN). Freddie said he was the perfect mirror, and if you perceived something negative in him, you were really seeing it in yourself. Sounds so much like Bawee. Explains all the golden light and levitation crap, too. Obviously Barry let himself get brain-washed and put into a trance-induction state by the leader of the cult - Fred Lenz. Nobody in their right mind is going to pay $10,000 just to attend a few levitation demonstrations. You'd have to be in almost total cognitive dissonance after being exposed to that level of fraud and deception over a decade. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote : Look, every body gets the pushing of buttons. We all get ours pushed sometimes, and we all do some pushing ourselves. But, from what you've found below, it does it appear that Barry has elevated this pushing of buttons to, well, some kind of religion. And as in most religions, some things get distorted. Helps to explain things, I think. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : If you want to know how Barry thinks, and how he got so screwed up, there is a free ebook, from someone who was very close to Freddie. The name of the book is: TAKE ME FOR A RIDE Coming Of Age In A Destructive Cult, by Mark E. Laxer. Available on the link that Richard posted. Here are some quotes from the book. When I read them, they sounded strangely familiar. Note: Freddie used to call himself, Atmananada (Soul of Love), before he decided he was the final incarnation of Vishnu. The guy sounds VERY CRAZY: Atmananda exposed his Big Nurse nature in other ways. He claimed, for instance, that he had to press all the right buttons to help people overcome their resistance to the Light and to him…. He taught me to fear what would happen if I left the Centre. You know too much to leave. It's a greedy, materialistic world out there. Your soul would be miserable. Besides, the Forces would flatten you like a bug. You would lose thousands of lifetimes of evolution. He taught me to fear, not just the Forces but people, particularly old friends and family. It's best if you don't tell them what we do here. Believe me, they won't understand. They'll end up blocking your progress and sapping your power.“… = Atmananda, I suddenly announced. I *saw* the Warriors. Others in the circle soon *saw* them too. Atmananda held desert trips once or twice a month and, by mid-1983, followers *saw* him walking above the ground on a cushion of light, flying to distant mountains, sending columns of light into the sky, and causing constellations to gyrate and disappear. On one starlit night, Atmananda raised his hands above his head. As he slowly lowered them, he made a low, whistling sound like the wind. What did you *see*? he asked afterward. I didn't *see* anything, one new follower bemoaned. Advanced psychic vision is necessary to perceive what I am doing…
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, and Barry's mind
It is explained in the book, a very simple manipulation - Lenz spoke all the time about levitation and other powers and abilities. He would then get his drugged out, sleepless zombies together, haul them out to the desert at 2 AM, and maybe dance around, and then ask, What did you see? He would wait until someone volunteered that he was flying/invisible/transformed into light/godlike, and then simply agree. After this evidence was presented, others would agree that they had seen it too - very 'witches of Salem', only in reverse, so that those in attendance, self-deluded themselves into seeing all sorts of miracles, from Zen Master Rama, The Living God. Lots of peer pressure. Lenz was also a master at pitting his students against each other - This is why Barry thrives on conflict, vs. discussion. This is why he keeps tiredly bringing up these fake supernatural events - He can't believe, yet, that he, along with many others, was duped, exploited, and abused. Horribly abused. I can imagine Lenz making cruel fun of Barry, publicly, as he did with anyone he perceived as the slightest threat, and Barry trying to laugh about his own, open castigation and shaming, from a man he respected, and possibly loved, and then having to pony up serious cash, for another month, of doing more of the same. For years. Makes me shudder, the damage that was inflicted. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 3:39 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, and Barry's mind levitation crap, too. Its as believable as Marshy's levitation crap. Somewhat more believable, actually. One could easily produce depositions from hundreds of people over the years who saw Freddie levitate. Possibly a couple of thousand of them, total. Has the TMO produced even *one* person who claims on the record to have seen Maharishi or anyone else levitate (for real, that is...say, hanging in the air for several *minutes* without descending, not seconds)? They have not. Touchy, touchy. Now, of all of those thousands of people who saw Lenz levitate how come no one ever got a picture, a video? Was this verboten? Did this not ever occur to anyone that it might be an interesting catalogue of events to have this somehow on some format that others could see? Lenz was a raging narcissist, how come he didn't invite TV stations to come and tape him levitating? You know why? 'Cause he wasn't ever levitating. What harm would there have been for some record of this, beyond someone's say so, to have been made? Put up or shut up. Your master was no more accomplished at levitating than anyone else - which is no one.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, and Barry's mind
On 10/18/2014 8:48 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: He is someone who has been well and truly hoodwinked and is about as bitter as you could get. And he still uses the technique Fred used on him and all those involved; push buttons to expose their tendencies, to figure out more about them in order to keep them weak and needing and off balance if you can. bawee is like the abused who will continue to spew his anger and disappointment everywhere he goes - he is now the abuser. /You don't get much more hoodwinked than Barry has been hoodwinked - apparently his entire life. Even his early childhood is marked by the cognitive dissonance of a typical military brat. You have to realize what he's probably been through: moved around all over the world every few years to live in some god-forsaken backwater with people whose language he couldn't even understand; jerked out of school in the middle of a semester and forced to go to new schools in a strange place he never even heard of; having to walk up to the chalkboard in cowboy boots with kids snickering at him behind his back because he couldn't add numbers without counting on his fingers. Gawd!!! He was probably screwed up by age ten. Go figure./
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, and Barry's mind
LOL ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 10/18/2014 8:48 AM, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Heis someone who has been well and truly hoodwinked and is about as bitter as you could get. And he still uses the technique Fred used on him and all those involved; push buttons to expose their tendencies, to figure out more about them in order to keep them weak and needing and off balance if you can. bawee is like the abused who will continue to spew his anger and disappointment everywhere he goes - he is now the abuser. You don't get much more hoodwinked than Barry has been hoodwinked - apparently his entire life. Even his early childhood is marked by the cognitive dissonance of a typical military brat. You have to realize what he's probably been through: moved around all over the world every few years to live in some god-forsaken backwater with people whose language he couldn't even understand; jerked out of school in the middle of a semester and forced to go to new schools in a strange place he never even heard of; having to walk up to the chalkboard in cowboy boots with kids snickering at him behind his back because he couldn't add numbers without counting on his fingers. Gawd!!! He was probably screwed up by age ten. Go figure.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, and Barry's mind
It's interesting to note that according to the Master of Benjamin Creme, Lenz had a point of evolution of 1,7 when he comitted suicide with a dog collar around his neck. According to that system enlightenment begins with 3,0, so the guru of the Turq wasn't even close. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : I finished the book, which was quite a page turner - Lenz was really into mind-fucking people, kind of a spiritual criminal. I stumbled around, as clueless as the next person, when I was young, but I could *always* smell a phony, and Lenz, from what I have seen of him, never would have passed my smell test. Insecure and sleazy is a bad combination. I hope Barry opens his eyes, to the cage this asshole put him in. And soon. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 10/18/2014 8:29 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Yes, take a look at the book - It explains Barry's thinking quite well. A good read, sorry I didn't see it sooner. The Zen Master Rama took Barry for a long ride and charged him big bucks just to be in his company. The entire Barry guru scam is laid out in this book by a former cult member who managed to escape the cult with his mind still somewhat intact. The question is, why didn't Barry provide this information to us years ago? Some cult members never get out of the cult mindset. They go into a kind of reverse-cult mentality - imagining that everyone else - is in a cult, all seeking to destroy him. It's a form of paranoia that sometimes sets in when a cult member gets deprogrammed. No wonder Barry is so angry and strident - he's been turned. When that happens, the former cult member imagines his old friends are in a cult and tries to get them to join his new cult, which is the anti-cult cult, and to follow his new leaders. Instead of being really deprogrammed, it just sets up a new cult mindset. This has been noted by sociologists who study cults and cult awareness networks (CAN). Freddie said he was the perfect mirror, and if you perceived something negative in him, you were really seeing it in yourself. Sounds so much like Bawee. Explains all the golden light and levitation crap, too. Obviously Barry let himself get brain-washed and put into a trance-induction state by the leader of the cult - Fred Lenz. Nobody in their right mind is going to pay $10,000 just to attend a few levitation demonstrations. You'd have to be in almost total cognitive dissonance after being exposed to that level of fraud and deception over a decade. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote : Look, every body gets the pushing of buttons. We all get ours pushed sometimes, and we all do some pushing ourselves. But, from what you've found below, it does it appear that Barry has elevated this pushing of buttons to, well, some kind of religion. And as in most religions, some things get distorted. Helps to explain things, I think. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : If you want to know how Barry thinks, and how he got so screwed up, there is a free ebook, from someone who was very close to Freddie. The name of the book is: TAKE ME FOR A RIDE Coming Of Age In A Destructive Cult, by Mark E. Laxer. Available on the link that Richard posted. Here are some quotes from the book. When I read them, they sounded strangely familiar. Note: Freddie used to call himself, Atmananada (Soul of Love), before he decided he was the final incarnation of Vishnu. The guy sounds VERY CRAZY: Atmananda exposed his Big Nurse nature in other ways. He claimed, for instance, that he had to press all the right buttons to help people overcome their resistance to the Light and to him…. He taught me to fear what would happen if I left the Centre. You know too much to leave. It's a greedy, materialistic world out there. Your soul would be miserable. Besides, the Forces would flatten you like a bug. You would lose thousands of lifetimes of evolution. He taught me to fear, not just the Forces but people, particularly old friends and family. It's best if you don't tell them what we do here. Believe me, they won't understand. They'll end up blocking your progress and sapping your power.“… = Atmananda, I suddenly announced. I *saw* the Warriors. Others in the circle soon *saw* them too. Atmananda held desert trips once or twice a month and, by mid-1983, followers *saw* him walking above the ground on a cushion of light, flying to distant mountains, sending columns of light into the sky, and causing constellations to gyrate and disappear. On one starlit night,
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, and Barry's mind
It is amazing what mind-numbed zombies you people are about this - Barry has been very upfront with his assessment of Lenz, and has said point blank that in some ways Rama was a con artist - yet you all seem to ignore that and use Rama's enormities to paint Barry as a pitiful person and a stupid one too. The same could be said of those who continue to praise a fake guru like Marshy. Case closed. From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 1:55 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, and Barry's mind It's interesting to note that according to the Master of Benjamin Creme, Lenz had a point of evolution of 1,7 when he comitted suicide with a dog collar around his neck. According to that system enlightenment begins with 3,0, so the guru of the Turq wasn't even close. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : I finished the book, which was quite a page turner - Lenz was really into mind-fucking people, kind of a spiritual criminal. I stumbled around, as clueless as the next person, when I was young, but I could *always* smell a phony, and Lenz, from what I have seen of him, never would have passed my smell test. Insecure and sleazy is a bad combination. I hope Barry opens his eyes, to the cage this asshole put him in. And soon. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 10/18/2014 8:29 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Yes, take a look at the book - It explains Barry's thinking quite well. A good read, sorry I didn't see it sooner. The Zen Master Rama took Barry for a long ride and charged him big bucks just to be in his company. The entire Barry guru scam is laid out in this book by a former cult member who managed to escape the cult with his mind still somewhat intact. The question is, why didn't Barry provide this information to us years ago? Some cult members never get out of the cult mindset. They go into a kind of reverse-cult mentality - imagining that everyone else - is in a cult, all seeking to destroy him. It's a form of paranoia that sometimes sets in when a cult member gets deprogrammed. No wonder Barry is so angry and strident - he's been turned. When that happens, the former cult member imagines his old friends are in a cult and tries to get them to join his new cult, which is the anti-cult cult, and to follow his new leaders. Instead of being really deprogrammed, it just sets up a new cult mindset. This has been noted by sociologists who study cults and cult awareness networks (CAN). Freddie said he was the perfect mirror, and if you perceived something negative in him, you were really seeing it in yourself. Sounds so much like Bawee. Explains all the golden light and levitation crap, too. Obviously Barry let himself get brain-washed and put into a trance-induction state by the leader of the cult - Fred Lenz. Nobody in their right mind is going to pay $10,000 just to attend a few levitation demonstrations. You'd have to be in almost total cognitive dissonance after being exposed to that level of fraud and deception over a decade. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Look, every body gets the pushing of buttons. We all get ours pushed sometimes, and we all do some pushing ourselves. But, from what you've found below, it does it appear that Barry has elevated this pushing of buttons to, well, some kind of religion. And as in most religions, some things get distorted. Helps to explain things, I think. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : If you want to know how Barry thinks, and how he got so screwed up, there is a free ebook, from someone who was very close to Freddie. The name of the book is: TAKE ME FOR A RIDE Coming Of Age In A Destructive Cult, by Mark E. Laxer. Available on the link that Richard posted. Here are some quotes from the book. When I read them, they sounded strangely familiar. Note: Freddie used to call himself, Atmananada (Soul of Love), before he decided he was the final incarnation of Vishnu. The guy sounds VERY CRAZY: Atmanandaexposed his Big Nurse nature in other ways. He claimed, for instance, that he had to press all the right buttons to help people overcome their resistance to the Light and to him…. He taught me to fear what would happen if I left the Centre. You know too much to leave. It's a greedy, materialistic world out there. Your soul would be miserable. Besides, the Forces would flatten you like a bug. You would lose thousands of lifetimes of evolution. He taught me to fear, not just the Forces but people, particularly old friends and family. It's best if you don't tell them what we do here. Believe me, they won't understand. They'll end up blocking your progress and sapping your power.“…
Re: [FairfieldLife] Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, and Barry's mind
I had no idea that the guru of the Turq was THAT crazy. Thanks for posting, it makes you wonder how much of that craziness the Turq is carrying with him even today... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : 100 % bullshit, MJ. Have you read the book? ...I didn't think so... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : The Movement does and Marshy did the exact same things -engendering fear about what will happen if you don't go to the Dome, if you go see other gurus, if you get off the program. People who live in glass houses, Fleet From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 8:18 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, and Barry's mind If you want to know how Barry thinks, and how he got so screwed up, there is a free ebook, from someone who was very close to Freddie. The name of the book is: TAKE ME FOR A RIDE Coming Of Age In A Destructive Cult, by Mark E. Laxer. Available on the link that Richard posted. Here are some quotes from the book. When I read them, they sounded strangely familiar. Note: Freddie used to call himself, Atmananada (Soul of Love), before he decided he was the final incarnation of Vishnu. The guy sounds VERY CRAZY: Atmananda exposed his Big Nurse nature in other ways. He claimed, for instance, that he had to press all the right buttons to help people overcome their resistance to the Light and to him…. He taught me to fear what would happen if I left the Centre. You know too much to leave. It's a greedy, materialistic world out there. Your soul would be miserable. Besides, the Forces would flatten you like a bug. You would lose thousands of lifetimes of evolution. He taught me to fear, not just the Forces but people, particularly old friends and family. It's best if you don't tell them what we do here. Believe me, they won't understand. They'll end up blocking your progress and sapping your power.“… = Atmananda, I suddenly announced. I *saw* the Warriors. Others in the circle soon *saw* them too. Atmananda held desert trips once or twice a month and, by mid-1983, followers *saw* him walking above the ground on a cushion of light, flying to distant mountains, sending columns of light into the sky, and causing constellations to gyrate and disappear. On one starlit night, Atmananda raised his hands above his head. As he slowly lowered them, he made a low, whistling sound like the wind. What did you *see*? he asked afterward. I didn't *see* anything, one new follower bemoaned. Advanced psychic vision is necessary to perceive what I am doing… == Are you Rama? someone asked. Yes, he replied. I am Rama, the last incarnation of Vishnu. You people think that I am a person, but I am not. Over the years I watched my various selves fade away. I fought the process tooth and nail--like each of you are doing now. But it was in vain. I could not stop the process of dissolution. I had to admit that I was no longer a person. This morning I suddenly knew who I was. I have been cycling...I am beginning to remember...Eternity has named me Rama...Rama most clearly reflects my strand of luminosity...We're at the end of a cycle...At this time, Vishnu takes incarnation as a person...Vishnu is that aspect of God that preserves and protects life...Rama...the last incarnation of Vishnu... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 10/17/2014 9:16 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: But to bring this whole diversion (for that is what it is) back into the present, I really wish that Richard, Jim, and a few others would leave off this try-to-get-to-me-by-bringing-up-Rama shit. It's old, and it's based on your *own* cult thinking and how *your* minds work, not how mine works. You need to get a grip, Barry - you just posted about Rama shit a few months ago! I've seen someone levitate. Many times. In many settings, from the Los Angeles Convention Center to the Anza-Borrego Desert to a Denny's restaurant in the wee hours of the night. - TurquoiseB Subject: TM is a Cult? Author: TurquoiseB Group: Yahoo Fairfieldife Date: Friday, 23 May 2014 Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM is a Cult? http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg317597.html http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg317597.html Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM is a Cult? http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg317597.html From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com Advertising ---In
Re: [FairfieldLife] Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, and Barry's mind
Quite a bit - Those mental patterns were instilled through brainwashing. Lenz, unfortunately, knew what he was doing. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : I had no idea that the guru of the Turq was THAT crazy. Thanks for posting, it makes you wonder how much of that craziness the Turq is carrying with him even today... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : 100 % bullshit, MJ. Have you read the book? ...I didn't think so... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : The Movement does and Marshy did the exact same things -engendering fear about what will happen if you don't go to the Dome, if you go see other gurus, if you get off the program. People who live in glass houses, Fleet From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 8:18 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, and Barry's mind If you want to know how Barry thinks, and how he got so screwed up, there is a free ebook, from someone who was very close to Freddie. The name of the book is: TAKE ME FOR A RIDE Coming Of Age In A Destructive Cult, by Mark E. Laxer. Available on the link that Richard posted. Here are some quotes from the book. When I read them, they sounded strangely familiar. Note: Freddie used to call himself, Atmananada (Soul of Love), before he decided he was the final incarnation of Vishnu. The guy sounds VERY CRAZY: Atmananda exposed his Big Nurse nature in other ways. He claimed, for instance, that he had to press all the right buttons to help people overcome their resistance to the Light and to him…. He taught me to fear what would happen if I left the Centre. You know too much to leave. It's a greedy, materialistic world out there. Your soul would be miserable. Besides, the Forces would flatten you like a bug. You would lose thousands of lifetimes of evolution. He taught me to fear, not just the Forces but people, particularly old friends and family. It's best if you don't tell them what we do here. Believe me, they won't understand. They'll end up blocking your progress and sapping your power.“… = Atmananda, I suddenly announced. I *saw* the Warriors. Others in the circle soon *saw* them too. Atmananda held desert trips once or twice a month and, by mid-1983, followers *saw* him walking above the ground on a cushion of light, flying to distant mountains, sending columns of light into the sky, and causing constellations to gyrate and disappear. On one starlit night, Atmananda raised his hands above his head. As he slowly lowered them, he made a low, whistling sound like the wind. What did you *see*? he asked afterward. I didn't *see* anything, one new follower bemoaned. Advanced psychic vision is necessary to perceive what I am doing… == Are you Rama? someone asked. Yes, he replied. I am Rama, the last incarnation of Vishnu. You people think that I am a person, but I am not. Over the years I watched my various selves fade away. I fought the process tooth and nail--like each of you are doing now. But it was in vain. I could not stop the process of dissolution. I had to admit that I was no longer a person. This morning I suddenly knew who I was. I have been cycling...I am beginning to remember...Eternity has named me Rama...Rama most clearly reflects my strand of luminosity...We're at the end of a cycle...At this time, Vishnu takes incarnation as a person...Vishnu is that aspect of God that preserves and protects life...Rama...the last incarnation of Vishnu... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 10/17/2014 9:16 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: But to bring this whole diversion (for that is what it is) back into the present, I really wish that Richard, Jim, and a few others would leave off this try-to-get-to-me-by-bringing-up-Rama shit. It's old, and it's based on your *own* cult thinking and how *your* minds work, not how mine works. You need to get a grip, Barry - you just posted about Rama shit a few months ago! I've seen someone levitate. Many times. In many settings, from the Los Angeles Convention Center to the Anza-Borrego Desert to a Denny's restaurant in the wee hours of the night. - TurquoiseB Subject: TM is a Cult? Author: TurquoiseB Group: Yahoo Fairfieldife Date: Friday, 23 May 2014 Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM is a Cult? http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg317597.html http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg317597.html Re:
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, and Barry's mind
Really Fleetwood?! You're laughing at someone's difficult childhood?! I don't think that's very compassionate. On Saturday, October 18, 2014 12:42 PM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: LOL ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 10/18/2014 8:48 AM, awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Heis someone who has been well and truly hoodwinked and is about as bitter as you could get. And he still uses the technique Fred used on him and all those involved; push buttons to expose their tendencies, to figure out more about them in order to keep them weak and needing and off balance if you can. bawee is like the abused who will continue to spew his anger and disappointment everywhere he goes - he is now the abuser. You don't get much more hoodwinked than Barry has been hoodwinked - apparently his entire life. Even his early childhood is marked by the cognitive dissonance of a typical military brat. You have to realize what he's probably been through: moved around all over the world every few years to live in some god-forsaken backwater with people whose language he couldn't even understand; jerked out of school in the middle of a semester and forced to go to new schools in a strange place he never even heard of; having to walk up to the chalkboard in cowboy boots with kids snickering at him behind his back because he couldn't add numbers without counting on his fingers. Gawd!!! He was probably screwed up by age ten. Go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, and Barry's mind
It is what Barry has NOT said that tells the story. Lenz was not only a con-artist, makes it sound like he was bouncing checks, or skipping out on parking tickets. No, Michael, he abused his followers, emotionally, mentally, sexually, and financially. Barry has no money - He spent it all on Lenz. Barry has no friends or family, because he was taught for ten years to avoid them. Barry has made no spiritual progress, because spiritual criminals have no interest in their chumps. Barry has no girlfriends because Lenz confused him greatly about responsibility and love. Barry continues to believe in dark forces, and dream world conflicts, and portals, and the bardo in everyday life, because he was thoroughly indoctrinated. Very much a mess, after Lenz got done with him. So, I hate to be the one to break the news to ya, but you are aligned with the biggest cultist, brainwashed master follower, who has ever contributed to FFL. Congratulations, and good luck with that. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : It is amazing what mind-numbed zombies you people are about this - Barry has been very upfront with his assessment of Lenz, and has said point blank that in some ways Rama was a con artist - yet you all seem to ignore that and use Rama's enormities to paint Barry as a pitiful person and a stupid one too. The same could be said of those who continue to praise a fake guru like Marshy. Case closed. From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 1:55 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, and Barry's mind It's interesting to note that according to the Master of Benjamin Creme, Lenz had a point of evolution of 1,7 when he comitted suicide with a dog collar around his neck. According to that system enlightenment begins with 3,0, so the guru of the Turq wasn't even close. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : I finished the book, which was quite a page turner - Lenz was really into mind-fucking people, kind of a spiritual criminal. I stumbled around, as clueless as the next person, when I was young, but I could *always* smell a phony, and Lenz, from what I have seen of him, never would have passed my smell test. Insecure and sleazy is a bad combination. I hope Barry opens his eyes, to the cage this asshole put him in. And soon. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 10/18/2014 8:29 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Yes, take a look at the book - It explains Barry's thinking quite well. A good read, sorry I didn't see it sooner. The Zen Master Rama took Barry for a long ride and charged him big bucks just to be in his company. The entire Barry guru scam is laid out in this book by a former cult member who managed to escape the cult with his mind still somewhat intact. The question is, why didn't Barry provide this information to us years ago? Some cult members never get out of the cult mindset. They go into a kind of reverse-cult mentality - imagining that everyone else - is in a cult, all seeking to destroy him. It's a form of paranoia that sometimes sets in when a cult member gets deprogrammed. No wonder Barry is so angry and strident - he's been turned. When that happens, the former cult member imagines his old friends are in a cult and tries to get them to join his new cult, which is the anti-cult cult, and to follow his new leaders. Instead of being really deprogrammed, it just sets up a new cult mindset. This has been noted by sociologists who study cults and cult awareness networks (CAN). Freddie said he was the perfect mirror, and if you perceived something negative in him, you were really seeing it in yourself. Sounds so much like Bawee. Explains all the golden light and levitation crap, too. Obviously Barry let himself get brain-washed and put into a trance-induction state by the leader of the cult - Fred Lenz. Nobody in their right mind is going to pay $10,000 just to attend a few levitation demonstrations. You'd have to be in almost total cognitive dissonance after being exposed to that level of fraud and deception over a decade. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote : Look, every body gets the pushing of buttons. We all get ours pushed sometimes, and we all do some pushing ourselves. But, from what you've found below, it does it appear that Barry has elevated this pushing of buttons to, well, some kind of religion. And as in most religions, some things get distorted. Helps to explain things, I think. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : If you
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, and Barry's mind
Yeah, this bit was hilarious! having to walk up to the chalkboard in cowboy boots with kids snickering at him behind his back because he couldn't add numbers without counting on his fingers. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Really Fleetwood?! You're laughing at someone's difficult childhood?! I don't think that's very compassionate. On Saturday, October 18, 2014 12:42 PM, fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: LOL ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 10/18/2014 8:48 AM, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Heis someone who has been well and truly hoodwinked and is about as bitter as you could get. And he still uses the technique Fred used on him and all those involved; push buttons to expose their tendencies, to figure out more about them in order to keep them weak and needing and off balance if you can. bawee is like the abused who will continue to spew his anger and disappointment everywhere he goes - he is now the abuser. You don't get much more hoodwinked than Barry has been hoodwinked - apparently his entire life. Even his early childhood is marked by the cognitive dissonance of a typical military brat. You have to realize what he's probably been through: moved around all over the world every few years to live in some god-forsaken backwater with people whose language he couldn't even understand; jerked out of school in the middle of a semester and forced to go to new schools in a strange place he never even heard of; having to walk up to the chalkboard in cowboy boots with kids snickering at him behind his back because he couldn't add numbers without counting on his fingers. Gawd!!! He was probably screwed up by age ten. Go figure.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The celebrities you're stalking tell you about their favorite books
Just a few of mine. The Men from Earth by Buzz Aldrin. How man got to the moon, straight from the horses mouth. Includes his brilliantly romantic description of floating free in space. The human spirit captured for your astonishment. The Executioners Song by Norman Mailer. True story of the life and death of Gary Gilmore, drop-out turned murderer who took the state of Utah to court to have himself executed. Epic comment on crime and punishment. A Prayer for Owen Meany by John Irving. Story of a boy who sticks with his best friend even though he accidentally kills his mother. It's a strangely religious tale of redemption and martyrdom. Irving should have quit after this one... Precious Bane by Mary Webb. Victorian love story about a girl born disfigured, but who finds true love when her poems move the right soul. Fabulously well written and evokes the English countryside beautifully, but also the nasty superstitions of village life. You'll cry at the end. Slaughterhouse 5 by Kurt Vonnegut. Yeah, it's on everyone's best books ever list, but for a reason. The most savagely ironic story ever told. Just how stupid is mankind? The Death Guard by Philip Chadwick. Highly disturbing tale about genetic engineering written before WW2 and banned from publication by a government concerned that its bleak message might counter their own propaganda. It was finally released in 1989 and concerns an attempt by a veteran of the Western front to reduce human death in war by creating an army of purpose built monsters to do the fighting for us. Do I need to tell you that it all goes horribly wrong? Voyage of the Beagle by Charles Darwin. Rip-roaring boys adventure tale about a biologist who gets a job on a ship sent to map the south coast of America. Along the way he finds fossils of giant creatures that don't exist anymore, sea shells on top of mountains and a chain of islands where the local finches seem designed to have different beaks to feed on the different foods present. It all makes him wonder. Darwin wasn't aware of where it would lead at the time, but anyone with even the remotest knowledge about science can see one the greatest ideas that anyone ever had unfolding before their eyes. London Fields by Martin Amis. Dark tale about a dying writer who has a chance encounter with a girl who's planning her own murder and decides to write a book about it, but which of the local characters that she plays off against each other has she chosen for the deed? Can he work it out before he dies and the world ends? File under post-modern nightmare. Helliconia by Brian Aldiss. A splendid scientific romance by one of our most dependable sci-fi writers. Tells the tale of a world with such a long and elliptical orbit it's seasons last for generations and are so intense the inhabitants actually evolve into almost separate life forms. Little do they know, life on their planet is watched from Earth by a manned satellite. It's a genuine classic and so much better than it sounds with brilliant characters and a perfectly realised society. The Midwich Cuckoos by John Wyndham. Anything by him actually but this is really good stuff. A village in England loses it's memory for two days. It transpires that every woman in town got pregnant during that time. The children are very odd indeed. War of the Worlds by HG Wells. God I love old sci-fi and this is the best. What an imagination, the battle scenes of cannon and riflemen on horseback fighting giant tripod creatures from outer space must have shocked the Victorian world utterly rigid. And one of the best opening chapters in publishing history. Jonathan Livingstone Seagull by Richard Bach. Worst book I ever read. So offensively new age and banal I actually wanted to track the author down and give him the kicking he so richly deserves. Moby Dick by Herman Melville. No really, try it. It's brilliant and can be read in so many ways. Most people get hung up about the metaphors inherent in captain Ahab and his impossible fight against nature - a fight mankind cannot win. But it's also a fascinating history of the mindless slaughter that helped make our civilisation so wealthy. A spectral colossus haunts the inflated myth of progress, as the poet said. Even at the time people thought whaling was too unpleasant for words and were happy that it took place out at sea with the bounty coming ashore in barrels so they didn't have to think about it. I could go on and on ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : I particularly liked: Robin Williams “Oh my god, Isaac Asimov’s Foundation trilogy. It’s one of the greatest books of all time, and the greatest character is The Mule.” 50 Cultural Icons on Their Favorite Books http://flavorwire.com/480819/50-cultural-icons-on-their-favorite-books
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, and Barry's mind
Not that Turq needs anyone to defend him, but I must say: he abused his followers, emotionally, mentally, sexually, and financially - exactly what Marshy did even though you won't admit it since your sense of self is so caught up in his saintly image. Barry has no money...Barry has no friends or family... Barry has made no spiritual progress... Barry has no girlfriends... All absurd pronouncements that you have no way of knowing the truth or falsity of. Especially the one about no spiritual progress. The fact that you feel he must agree that you are enlightened and that Marshy was a saint and TM is good for him to be considered spiritually evolved doesn't say much for your own state of mind. Very much a mess, after Lenz got done with him I can't vouch for what Barry was like after he left the Rama deal, I only know him from his posts here and his other writing he has made available online. He strikes me as being intelligent, discerning and a damn good writer, if a bit profane. He appears to me through his written words to have come through his experiences with Marshy, the Movement and Rama relatively unscathed. He at least no longer follows such hucksters like Benjy Creme or Amma or any of the other fakers on the spiritual scene. From: fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 2:19 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, and Barry's mind It is what Barry has NOT said that tells the story. Lenz was not only a con-artist, makes it sound like he was bouncing checks, or skipping out on parking tickets. No, Michael, he abused his followers, emotionally, mentally, sexually, and financially. Barry has no money - He spent it all on Lenz. Barry has no friends or family, because he was taught for ten years to avoid them. Barry has made no spiritual progress, because spiritual criminals have no interest in their chumps. Barry has no girlfriends because Lenz confused him greatly about responsibility and love. Barry continues to believe in dark forces, and dream world conflicts, and portals, and the bardo in everyday life, because he was thoroughly indoctrinated. Very much a mess, after Lenz got done with him. So, I hate to be the one to break the news to ya, but you are aligned with the biggest cultist, brainwashed master follower, who has ever contributed to FFL. Congratulations, and good luck with that. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : It is amazing what mind-numbed zombies you people are about this - Barry has been very upfront with his assessment of Lenz, and has said point blank that in some ways Rama was a con artist - yet you all seem to ignore that and use Rama's enormities to paint Barry as a pitiful person and a stupid one too. The same could be said of those who continue to praise a fake guru like Marshy. Case closed. From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 1:55 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, and Barry's mind It's interesting to note that according to the Master of Benjamin Creme, Lenz had a point of evolution of 1,7 when he comitted suicide with a dog collar around his neck. According to that system enlightenment begins with 3,0, so the guru of the Turq wasn't even close. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : I finished the book, which was quite a page turner - Lenz was really into mind-fucking people, kind of a spiritual criminal. I stumbled around, as clueless as the next person, when I was young, but I could *always* smell a phony, and Lenz, from what I have seen of him, never would have passed my smell test. Insecure and sleazy is a bad combination. I hope Barry opens his eyes, to the cage this asshole put him in. And soon. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 10/18/2014 8:29 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Yes, take a look at the book - It explains Barry's thinking quite well. A good read, sorry I didn't see it sooner. The Zen Master Rama took Barry for a long ride and charged him big bucks just to be in his company. The entire Barry guru scam is laid out in this book by a former cult member who managed to escape the cult with his mind still somewhat intact. The question is, why didn't Barry provide this information to us years ago? Some cult members never get out of the cult mindset. They go into a kind of reverse-cult mentality - imagining that everyone else - is in a cult, all seeking to destroy him. It's a form of paranoia that sometimes sets in when a cult member gets deprogrammed. No wonder Barry is so angry and strident - he's been turned. When that happens, the
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, and Barry's mind
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : It is amazing what mind-numbed zombies you people are about this - Barry has been very upfront with his assessment of Lenz, and has said point blank that in some ways Rama was a con artist - yet you all seem to ignore that and use Rama's enormities to paint Barry as a pitiful person and a stupid one too. The same could be said of those who continue to praise a fake guru like Marshy. Case closed. You think too much MJ, much better to go with the flow and slag Barry off for something that happened decades ago. It also beats examining whether you're still in the sort of situation that Barry's tales of life with Rama cautions about. Live and learn. Or not. From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 1:55 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, and Barry's mind It's interesting to note that according to the Master of Benjamin Creme, Lenz had a point of evolution of 1,7 when he comitted suicide with a dog collar around his neck. According to that system enlightenment begins with 3,0, so the guru of the Turq wasn't even close. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : I finished the book, which was quite a page turner - Lenz was really into mind-fucking people, kind of a spiritual criminal. I stumbled around, as clueless as the next person, when I was young, but I could *always* smell a phony, and Lenz, from what I have seen of him, never would have passed my smell test. Insecure and sleazy is a bad combination. I hope Barry opens his eyes, to the cage this asshole put him in. And soon. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 10/18/2014 8:29 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Yes, take a look at the book - It explains Barry's thinking quite well. A good read, sorry I didn't see it sooner. The Zen Master Rama took Barry for a long ride and charged him big bucks just to be in his company. The entire Barry guru scam is laid out in this book by a former cult member who managed to escape the cult with his mind still somewhat intact. The question is, why didn't Barry provide this information to us years ago? Some cult members never get out of the cult mindset. They go into a kind of reverse-cult mentality - imagining that everyone else - is in a cult, all seeking to destroy him. It's a form of paranoia that sometimes sets in when a cult member gets deprogrammed. No wonder Barry is so angry and strident - he's been turned. When that happens, the former cult member imagines his old friends are in a cult and tries to get them to join his new cult, which is the anti-cult cult, and to follow his new leaders. Instead of being really deprogrammed, it just sets up a new cult mindset. This has been noted by sociologists who study cults and cult awareness networks (CAN). Freddie said he was the perfect mirror, and if you perceived something negative in him, you were really seeing it in yourself. Sounds so much like Bawee. Explains all the golden light and levitation crap, too. Obviously Barry let himself get brain-washed and put into a trance-induction state by the leader of the cult - Fred Lenz. Nobody in their right mind is going to pay $10,000 just to attend a few levitation demonstrations. You'd have to be in almost total cognitive dissonance after being exposed to that level of fraud and deception over a decade. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote : Look, every body gets the pushing of buttons. We all get ours pushed sometimes, and we all do some pushing ourselves. But, from what you've found below, it does it appear that Barry has elevated this pushing of buttons to, well, some kind of religion. And as in most religions, some things get distorted. Helps to explain things, I think. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : If you want to know how Barry thinks, and how he got so screwed up, there is a free ebook, from someone who was very close to Freddie. The name of the book is: TAKE ME FOR A RIDE Coming Of Age In A Destructive Cult, by Mark E. Laxer. Available on the link that Richard posted. Here are some quotes from the book. When I read them, they sounded strangely familiar. Note: Freddie used to call himself, Atmananada (Soul of Love), before he decided he was the final incarnation of Vishnu. The guy sounds VERY CRAZY: Atmananda exposed his Big Nurse nature in other ways. He claimed, for instance, that he had to press all the right buttons to help people overcome their resistance to the Light and to him…. He
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, and Barry's mind
Yes, you should hang out with Barry more, as you know nothing about him, except what he has spoon-fed you. Everything I have said is accurate. Look a little deeper, than simply cozying up to him, just because he too, professes to dislike Maharishi as much as you do (another Lenz trick - the enemy of my enemy is my friend). Just as he was, you are being played for a fool. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Not that Turq needs anyone to defend him, but I must say: he abused his followers, emotionally, mentally, sexually, and financially - exactly what Marshy did even though you won't admit it since your sense of self is so caught up in his saintly image. Barry has no money...Barry has no friends or family... Barry has made no spiritual progress... Barry has no girlfriends... All absurd pronouncements that you have no way of knowing the truth or falsity of. Especially the one about no spiritual progress. The fact that you feel he must agree that you are enlightened and that Marshy was a saint and TM is good for him to be considered spiritually evolved doesn't say much for your own state of mind. Very much a mess, after Lenz got done with him I can't vouch for what Barry was like after he left the Rama deal, I only know him from his posts here and his other writing he has made available online. He strikes me as being intelligent, discerning and a damn good writer, if a bit profane. He appears to me through his written words to have come through his experiences with Marshy, the Movement and Rama relatively unscathed. He at least no longer follows such hucksters like Benjy Creme or Amma or any of the other fakers on the spiritual scene. From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 2:19 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, and Barry's mind It is what Barry has NOT said that tells the story. Lenz was not only a con-artist, makes it sound like he was bouncing checks, or skipping out on parking tickets. No, Michael, he abused his followers, emotionally, mentally, sexually, and financially. Barry has no money - He spent it all on Lenz. Barry has no friends or family, because he was taught for ten years to avoid them. Barry has made no spiritual progress, because spiritual criminals have no interest in their chumps. Barry has no girlfriends because Lenz confused him greatly about responsibility and love. Barry continues to believe in dark forces, and dream world conflicts, and portals, and the bardo in everyday life, because he was thoroughly indoctrinated. Very much a mess, after Lenz got done with him. So, I hate to be the one to break the news to ya, but you are aligned with the biggest cultist, brainwashed master follower, who has ever contributed to FFL. Congratulations, and good luck with that. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : It is amazing what mind-numbed zombies you people are about this - Barry has been very upfront with his assessment of Lenz, and has said point blank that in some ways Rama was a con artist - yet you all seem to ignore that and use Rama's enormities to paint Barry as a pitiful person and a stupid one too. The same could be said of those who continue to praise a fake guru like Marshy. Case closed. From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 1:55 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, and Barry's mind It's interesting to note that according to the Master of Benjamin Creme, Lenz had a point of evolution of 1,7 when he comitted suicide with a dog collar around his neck. According to that system enlightenment begins with 3,0, so the guru of the Turq wasn't even close. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : I finished the book, which was quite a page turner - Lenz was really into mind-fucking people, kind of a spiritual criminal. I stumbled around, as clueless as the next person, when I was young, but I could *always* smell a phony, and Lenz, from what I have seen of him, never would have passed my smell test. Insecure and sleazy is a bad combination. I hope Barry opens his eyes, to the cage this asshole put him in. And soon. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 10/18/2014 8:29 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Yes, take a look at the book - It explains Barry's thinking quite well. A good read, sorry I didn't see it sooner. The Zen Master Rama took Barry for a long ride and charged him big bucks just to be in his company. The entire Barry guru scam is laid out in this book by a former cult member who managed to escape the cult with his mind
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, and Barry's mind
On 10/18/2014 9:13 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Somewhat more believable, actually. /It's beginning to look like we have another case of cognitive dissonance - Michael confronted by the reality that his hero Barry is nothing but another cult informant. This is really going to confuse MJ - because if what these two guys have been saying is t//rue//, then they are themselves two of the most screwed up individuals on the entire planet. Almost a total mix-up confabulation session! / One could easily produce depositions from hundreds of people over the years who saw Freddie levitate. /It should be noted that nowhere in any of his writings or lecture videos does Frederick Lenz claim to be able to levitate himself up off of a sofa. / Possibly a couple of thousand of them, total. /Apparently Barry got real mixed up and went over to being a True Believer, imagining that Lenz was God Vishnu. Barry used to print up posters and tack them up all over L.A. with photos of Lenz with titles like: This man can turn a room GOLD in 60 seconds. Apparently that's what got Barry kicked out of the cult - making up fabricated stories about Lenz having para-normal powers. In many cases it's the followers that make the teacher seem like a fool. Case in point. //I am enlightened in the classic sense, Lenz says, but insists, It's not a big deal. This is not having godlike qualities. - Fredrick Lenz// / Has the TMO produced even *one* person who claims on the record to have seen Maharishi or anyone else levitate (for real, that is...say, hanging in the air for several *minutes* without descending, not seconds)? They have not. /In fact, Frederick Philip Lenz, III, Ph.D. was a really smart guy - a senior systems architect in computer science. He would probably have been the first one to deny that learning computer science would produce the ability for anyone to levitate or vice-versa./ Work cited: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_Lenz#Books The Washington Post, January 11, 1996, Thursday, Final Edition
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, and Barry's mind
All I can say is: I don't think Barry gives a damn what I think about him. Nothing you have said is accurate except in your own mind and I don't cozy up to anyone, I just am willing to tell the truth. From: fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 2:47 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, and Barry's mind Yes, you should hang out with Barry more, as you know nothing about him, except what he has spoon-fed you. Everything I have said is accurate. Look a little deeper, than simply cozying up to him, just because he too, professes to dislike Maharishi as much as you do (another Lenz trick - the enemy of my enemy is my friend). Just as he was, you are being played for a fool. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Not that Turq needs anyone to defend him, but I must say: he abused his followers, emotionally, mentally, sexually, and financially - exactly what Marshy did even though you won't admit it since your sense of self is so caught up in his saintly image. Barry has no money...Barry has no friends or family... Barry has made no spiritual progress... Barry has no girlfriends... All absurd pronouncements that you have no way of knowing the truth or falsity of. Especially the one about no spiritual progress. The fact that you feel he must agree that you are enlightened and that Marshy was a saint and TM is good for him to be considered spiritually evolved doesn't say much for your own state of mind. Very much a mess, after Lenz got done with him I can't vouch for what Barry was like after he left the Rama deal, I only know him from his posts here and his other writing he has made available online. He strikes me as being intelligent, discerning and a damn good writer, if a bit profane. He appears to me through his written words to have come through his experiences with Marshy, the Movement and Rama relatively unscathed. He at least no longer follows such hucksters like Benjy Creme or Amma or any of the other fakers on the spiritual scene. From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 2:19 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, and Barry's mind It is what Barry has NOT said that tells the story. Lenz was not only a con-artist, makes it sound like he was bouncing checks, or skipping out on parking tickets. No, Michael, he abused his followers, emotionally, mentally, sexually, and financially. Barry has no money - He spent it all on Lenz. Barry has no friends or family, because he was taught for ten years to avoid them. Barry has made no spiritual progress, because spiritual criminals have no interest in their chumps. Barry has no girlfriends because Lenz confused him greatly about responsibility and love. Barry continues to believe in dark forces, and dream world conflicts, and portals, and the bardo in everyday life, because he was thoroughly indoctrinated. Very much a mess, after Lenz got done with him. So, I hate to be the one to break the news to ya, but you are aligned with the biggest cultist, brainwashed master follower, who has ever contributed to FFL. Congratulations, and good luck with that. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : It is amazing what mind-numbed zombies you people are about this - Barry has been very upfront with his assessment of Lenz, and has said point blank that in some ways Rama was a con artist - yet you all seem to ignore that and use Rama's enormities to paint Barry as a pitiful person and a stupid one too. The same could be said of those who continue to praise a fake guru like Marshy. Case closed. From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 1:55 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, and Barry's mind It's interesting to note that according to the Master of Benjamin Creme, Lenz had a point of evolution of 1,7 when he comitted suicide with a dog collar around his neck. According to that system enlightenment begins with 3,0, so the guru of the Turq wasn't even close. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : I finished the book, which was quite a page turner - Lenz was really into mind-fucking people, kind of a spiritual criminal. I stumbled around, as clueless as the next person, when I was young, but I could *always* smell a phony, and Lenz, from what I have seen of him, never would have passed my smell test. Insecure and sleazy is a bad combination. I hope Barry opens his eyes, to the cage this asshole put him
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The celebrities you're stalking tell you about their favorite books
I thought about this after I looked at it - there are so many wonderful books in the world, but if I HAD to pick just one, I would have to say Lonesome Dove. The prequels and the sequels weren't worth much, but Lonesome Dove, I can't imagine any writer having more fun writing anything than that book, which was so funny and so mortal at the same time. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 2:31 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The celebrities you're stalking tell you about their favorite books Just a few of mine. The Men from Earth by Buzz Aldrin. How man got to the moon, straight from the horses mouth. Includes his brilliantly romantic description of floating free in space. The human spirit captured for your astonishment. The Executioners Song by Norman Mailer. True story of the life and death of Gary Gilmore, drop-out turned murderer who took the state of Utah to court to have himself executed. Epic comment on crime and punishment. A Prayer for Owen Meany by John Irving. Story of a boy who sticks with his best friend even though he accidentally kills his mother. It's a strangely religious tale of redemption and martyrdom. Irving should have quit after this one... Precious Bane by Mary Webb. Victorian love story about a girl born disfigured, but who finds true love when her poems move the right soul. Fabulously well written and evokes the English countryside beautifully, but also the nasty superstitions of village life. You'll cry at the end. Slaughterhouse 5 by Kurt Vonnegut. Yeah, it's on everyone's best books ever list, but for a reason. The most savagely ironic story ever told. Just how stupid is mankind? The Death Guard by Philip Chadwick. Highly disturbing tale about genetic engineering written before WW2 and banned from publication by a government concerned that its bleak message might counter their own propaganda. It was finally released in 1989 and concerns an attempt by a veteran of the Western front to reduce human death in war by creating an army of purpose built monsters to do the fighting for us. Do I need to tell you that it all goes horribly wrong? Voyage of the Beagle by Charles Darwin. Rip-roaring boys adventure tale about a biologist who gets a job on a ship sent to map the south coast of America. Along the way he finds fossils of giant creatures that don't exist anymore, sea shells on top of mountains and a chain of islands where the local finches seem designed to have different beaks to feed on the different foods present. It all makes him wonder. Darwin wasn't aware of where it would lead at the time, but anyone with even the remotest knowledge about science can see one the greatest ideas that anyone ever had unfolding before their eyes. London Fields by Martin Amis. Dark tale about a dying writer who has a chance encounter with a girl who's planning her own murder and decides to write a book about it, but which of the local characters that she plays off against each other has she chosen for the deed? Can he work it out before he dies and the world ends? File under post-modern nightmare. Helliconia by Brian Aldiss. A splendid scientific romance by one of our most dependable sci-fi writers. Tells the tale of a world with such a long and elliptical orbit it's seasons last for generations and are so intense the inhabitants actually evolve into almost separate life forms. Little do they know, life on their planet is watched from Earth by a manned satellite. It's a genuine classic and so much better than it sounds with brilliant characters and a perfectly realised society. The Midwich Cuckoos by John Wyndham. Anything by him actually but this is really good stuff. A village in England loses it's memory for two days. It transpires that every woman in town got pregnant during that time. The children are very odd indeed. War of the Worlds by HG Wells. God I love old sci-fi and this is the best. What an imagination, the battle scenes of cannon and riflemen on horseback fighting giant tripod creatures from outer space must have shocked the Victorian world utterly rigid. And one of the best opening chapters in publishing history. Jonathan Livingstone Seagull by Richard Bach. Worst book I ever read. So offensively new age and banal I actually wanted to track the author down and give him the kicking he so richly deserves. Moby Dickby Herman Melville. No really, try it. It's brilliant and can be read in so many ways. Most people get hung up about the metaphors inherent in captain Ahab and his impossible fight against nature - a fight mankind cannot win. But it's also a fascinating history of the mindless slaughter that helped make our civilisation so wealthy. A spectral colossus haunts the inflated myth of progress, as the poet said. Even at the time people thought whaling was too unpleasant for words and were happy
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, and Barry's mind
On 10/18/2014 10:06 AM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Rama was all about fear and imagination. /Rama was all about making money - that's why he started teaching computer science and charging $1,000 per training session./ The guy never got even a millimeter off the ground, or accomplished any other feats. /You may be correct about the levitation, but he did get millions of dollars from his students - that is quite a feat//in itself./ You were in a trance, and brainwashed, Barry. He also did LOTS of LSD, which he encouraged his followers to use, in addition to keeping you in a constant state of sleep deprivation. /That's the whole point - to go out to the desert in the middle of the night with a large group and drop LSD and get crazy with no sleep and go into a trance. That's what hippies do, Jim./ What about being in an abusive cult, don't you get? You are in DEEP DENIAL about how cruel and horrible a person, Freddie was, because you continue to emulate him. /Barry does resemble Fred is some interesting ways: Narcissism and paranoia at times; love of travel and walking dogs; computer science and the internet; music and watching and commenting on movies and TV; and writing fictional accounts of meetings with remarkable men. / ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : *From:* Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Saturday, October 18, 2014 3:39 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, and Barry's mind levitation crap, too. Its as believable as Marshy's levitation crap. Somewhat more believable, actually. One could easily produce depositions from hundreds of people over the years who saw Freddie levitate. Possibly a couple of thousand of them, total. Has the TMO produced even *one* person who claims on the record to have seen Maharishi or anyone else levitate (for real, that is...say, hanging in the air for several *minutes* without descending, not seconds)? They have not.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness
Barry, Have you ever thought that atheism is also a belief-- and an unreasonable one at that? The Kalam Cosmological Argument should dispel any of your doubts. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
Re: [FairfieldLife] Religion is BS
OMG! I AM OFFENDED! On Saturday, October 18, 2014 10:44 AM, wgm4u no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: George Carlin --- Religion is Bullshit George Carlin --- Religion is Bullshit George Carlin Legend View on www.youtube.com Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness
I'm soo confused! On Saturday, October 18, 2014 1:00 PM, jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Barry, Have you ever thought that atheism is also a belief-- and an unreasonable one at that? The Kalam Cosmological Argument should dispel any of your doubts. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ISIS Now Has an Air Force
On 10/18/2014 10:24 AM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: These relatively small caches of weapons are not what Bush and that other moron, /The point is that nobody knew whether or not Saddam had WMD - almost everyone believed he did, including 99% of our U.S. congressional representatives. Almost everyone agreed on this. Any amount of chemical weapons can be used by ISIS against the Kurds, just like Saddam used against them. It only takes a small amount of mustard gas to kill thousands of people in just a few minutes.The attack on the Kurds by Iraqi forces in 1988 alone should have been enough to justify an allied invasion - Saddam crossed a red line, but nobody had the guts to stand up to him and do something about it. Go figure. / /http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halabja_chemical_attack/ used to justify the slaughter of hundreds of thousands, in Iraq. /Like most reasonable people, I place the blame for millions of deaths squarely on Saddam Hussein - it has been the goal of three U.S. Presidents to unseat the government of Iraq and get rid of him - only George W. Bush had the gumption to actually do it./ Remember, Richard, it was the scare tactic of mentioning, The Mushroom Cloud. Bush and his cronies deliberately used the specter of nuclear war to get us into Iraq. Just because the NYT and Wash Post have now tried to revise history, doesn't make it true. /You may not remember but the majority of members of the U.S. Congress all agreed to use force to unseat Saddam because because they thought Saddam had hidden WMD. Everyone knew this going in because Saddam had used chemical weapons on the Kurds. The point is that nobody knew for sure if Saddam had nuclear weapons or not. That's why we went in - to find out once and for all so Saddam couldn't blackmail us anymore. /// It was a deliberate, and still unsubstantiated LIE. No WMDs exist in Iraq, and they never have, unless the US has now transported them there. /If true, then John Kerry and Hillary Clinton are liars. In fact, there are WMD stockpiles all over Iraq that were sold to Saddam by the thousands by the U.S., France, and Germany. This is a matter if record./ ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : No weapons of mass destruction have been found. - Judy Stein /Judy - I think maybe you lied to yourself too. Before the invasion, did you post any statements expressing any doubts that Saddam had WMD? If you did, maybe I missed it. Both The Times and The Post published editorials supporting the claim that Saddam had WMD. But it seems to me that it was a given, by everyone, except maybe Scott Ritter - including both Democrats and Republicans - Blix, the U.N., France, Germany, Great Britain, and U.S.A. etc., that Saddam had WMD, and everyone apparently agreed./ - Richard J. Williams, 2003 On 10/17/2014 6:47 PM, emptybill@... mailto:emptybill@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Remember how W. and Chaney lied because there never were WMD's in Iraq? Heh Heh. /There are stockpiles of WMD all over the Iraq countryside now in the possession of ISIS./ Didn't you read the NYT article? They found over 5000 individual bombs and artillery shells with mustard gas and sarin gas. They were NOT all found much less destroyed before Barack Hussein Ebola ordered US troops out of the country. Anbar provice is still full of undocumented caches of these supplies. ISIS rules most of Anbar, so they may try to use these WMD to strike Baghdad. After all - this is what you get from a neo-marxist.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, and Barry's mind
On 10/18/2014 12:38 PM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: He would then get his drugged out, sleepless zombies together, haul them out to the desert at 2 AM, /You are incorrect - Lenz did not haul anyone out to the desert. After paying him $1000 for the map to the secret meeting place, Lenz would drive in his own Porsche 911 to the event - all the others were on their own. That's why it would be such a challenge - to park 200 cars in a desert parking lot designed for only twenty - now that's complicated. / and maybe dance around, and then ask, What did you see? He would wait until someone volunteered that he was flying/invisible/transformed into light/godlike, and then simply agree. After this evidence was presented, others would agree that they had seen it too - very 'witches of Salem', only in reverse, so that those in attendance, self-deluded themselves into seeing all sorts of miracles, from Zen Master Rama, The Living God. Lots of peer pressure. Lenz was also a master at pitting his students against each other - This is why Barry thrives on conflict, vs. discussion. This is why he keeps tiredly bringing up these fake supernatural events - He can't believe, yet, that he, along with many others, was duped, exploited, and abused. Horribly abused. I can imagine Lenz making cruel fun of Barry, publicly, as he did with anyone he perceived as the slightest threat, and Barry trying to laugh about his own, open castigation and shaming, from a man he respected, and possibly loved, and then having to pony up serious cash, for another month, of doing more of the same. For years. Makes me shudder, the damage that was inflicted.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Billy Graham: America is Just as Wicked...
How do you even stand to interact, even a little, with such uninformed, biased people here, salyavin? Isn't there some Mensa group you can associate with? I guess you just like slumming it here. Or maybe it just gets boring up in the tower. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Doncha love how people who believe in an invisible magic man in the sky like to portray those who don't as if *they* are the crazy ones. Sometimes the sheer feeble-mindedness of believers astounds me. Or, as someone once said so well: Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd. -- Voltaire I don't know about you, Salyavin, but it's difficult for me to imagine someone whose mind is so weak and whose fear of the unknown is so profound that they would exchange a belief in that which can never be proved to exist (because...duh...it doesn't) for the far more interesting and fulfilling sense of MYSTERY that is their birthright. I'm just enjoying the responses it gets whenever you say anything contrary to the POV of the believer. Some of the weird fantasies that are getting projected on us are actually fascinating. If I could be bothered to read all of it I might start trying to classify it so we can use it to make predictions about what sort of abuse to expect per rational argument. There's got to be a use for FFL.. Leo Festinger would have been well into this place! From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 8:58 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Billy Graham: America is Just as Wicked... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Ann, These are good quotes which adequately sum up the attitudes of atheists. LOL, adequately sums them up if you want your own narrow viewpoint bolstered you mean.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, and Barry's mind
yes, the Barster was holding back on us. Claims to have left the Rama mindset, but was secretly promoting the pushing of buttons agenda. Aw, Barry, tsk, tsk tsk. You knew that truth was going to leak out. But, Barry has become more like a door bell button pusher. Like maybe some of us were, as children. Push the door bell, then go and hide behind the bushes. Provides a momentary thrill, but not much else. Time to grow up!! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Yes, take a look at the book - It explains Barry's thinking quite well. A good read, sorry I didn't see it sooner. Freddie said he was the perfect mirror, and if you perceived something negative in him, you were really seeing it in yourself. Sounds so much like Bawee. Explains all the golden light and levitation crap, too. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Look, every body gets the pushing of buttons. We all get ours pushed sometimes, and we all do some pushing ourselves. But, from what you've found below, it does it appear that Barry has elevated this pushing of buttons to, well, some kind of religion. And as in most religions, some things get distorted. Helps to explain things, I think. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : If you want to know how Barry thinks, and how he got so screwed up, there is a free ebook, from someone who was very close to Freddie. The name of the book is: TAKE ME FOR A RIDE Coming Of Age In A Destructive Cult, by Mark E. Laxer. Available on the link that Richard posted. Here are some quotes from the book. When I read them, they sounded strangely familiar. Note: Freddie used to call himself, Atmananada (Soul of Love), before he decided he was the final incarnation of Vishnu. The guy sounds VERY CRAZY: Atmananda exposed his Big Nurse nature in other ways. He claimed, for instance, that he had to press all the right buttons to help people overcome their resistance to the Light and to him…. He taught me to fear what would happen if I left the Centre. You know too much to leave. It's a greedy, materialistic world out there. Your soul would be miserable. Besides, the Forces would flatten you like a bug. You would lose thousands of lifetimes of evolution. He taught me to fear, not just the Forces but people, particularly old friends and family. It's best if you don't tell them what we do here. Believe me, they won't understand. They'll end up blocking your progress and sapping your power.“… = Atmananda, I suddenly announced. I *saw* the Warriors. Others in the circle soon *saw* them too. Atmananda held desert trips once or twice a month and, by mid-1983, followers *saw* him walking above the ground on a cushion of light, flying to distant mountains, sending columns of light into the sky, and causing constellations to gyrate and disappear. On one starlit night, Atmananda raised his hands above his head. As he slowly lowered them, he made a low, whistling sound like the wind. What did you *see*? he asked afterward. I didn't *see* anything, one new follower bemoaned. Advanced psychic vision is necessary to perceive what I am doing… == Are you Rama? someone asked. Yes, he replied. I am Rama, the last incarnation of Vishnu. You people think that I am a person, but I am not. Over the years I watched my various selves fade away. I fought the process tooth and nail--like each of you are doing now. But it was in vain. I could not stop the process of dissolution. I had to admit that I was no longer a person. This morning I suddenly knew who I was. I have been cycling...I am beginning to remember...Eternity has named me Rama...Rama most clearly reflects my strand of luminosity...We're at the end of a cycle...At this time, Vishnu takes incarnation as a person...Vishnu is that aspect of God that preserves and protects life...Rama...the last incarnation of Vishnu... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 10/17/2014 9:16 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: But to bring this whole diversion (for that is what it is) back into the present, I really wish that Richard, Jim, and a few others would leave off this try-to-get-to-me-by-bringing-up-Rama shit. It's old, and it's based on your *own* cult thinking and how *your* minds work, not how mine works. You need to get a grip, Barry - you just posted about Rama shit a few months ago! I've seen someone levitate. Many times. In many settings, from the Los Angeles Convention Center to the Anza-Borrego Desert to a Denny's restaurant in the wee hours of the night. -
[FairfieldLife] Re: Billy Graham: America is Just as Wicked...
As it is with most of us Ann. Even when there is a scientific explanation behind it. And there is a sliding scale among everyone here of the belief in God. Barry, of course believes in most of the tenants of theism, but just doesn't use the word God He prefers the word Intelligence so he can get a card that states, I am a Atheist He treasures that card, because it goes along with his self proclaimed label as, rebel. But scratch beneath the surface, and he'd have some explaining to do. But don't expect him to be pressed by anyone in his clique. Oh, gawd, no. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : Everything is a mystery. What people think and why they think it is mysterious. How I can put one foot in front of the other is a mystery, even if someone thinks they can explain the mechanics of it there remain at least 50 mysteries within that act alone. The biggest mystery being what is motivating the desire to put one foot in front of the other. My life is nothing but mystery, I have enough mystery to keep me busy for 1000 lifetimes so don't start claiming that those who have opinions about something lack the capacity to embrace mystery because to do so is to fall into the very trap you are claiming others are already floundering in. I mean, you're the guy who requires the rigid scientific methods to strip down every mystery. You're the one who can't seem to abide something if it isn't clearly documented and disassembled right down to the boring nitty gritty. So don't talk to me about mystery.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Because contact with rationality seems to bother believers so much...
yes, some are quite humorous. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : My favorite, because it appears to be a real graphic from believers trying to show how stupid atheists are... sounds just like jr_esq or Buck, doesn't it? Oh dear, now we're into the dueling quotes portion of our discussion. They're a dime a dozen and some are wonderful and clever and funny and cutting from both sides of the debate. bawee seems to have wanted to flood his post with the things.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Because contact with rationality seems to bother believers so much...
Yes, obviously it was nonsense. There was not figuring it out. But Barry jumped on, for all the usual reasons, and then had to backtrack. As I recall, (reading fast as I do), he didn't issue a retraction, just came at it differently to issue a new put down of some sort. Maybe I have that wrong. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Your favorite because you feel it let's you point out the stupidity of people here? People you have categorized in your mind by their specific beliefs? To me, that says a lot, and is not just a little strange. You're smarter than me 'cause I don't even get it. What is that little rainbow colored poster saying other than whoever wrote it was drunk or English was their second language? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : My favorite, because it appears to be a real graphic from believers trying to show how stupid atheists are... sounds just like jr_esq or Buck, doesn't it?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Barry, Have you ever thought that atheism is also a belief-- and an unreasonable one at that? M: Couldn't help overhearing... Atheism is not a belief because it is not a positive assertion that there is no God. It is the assertion that there is no compelling evidence to support the belief. We don't need to have a belief that there are no unicorns. Maybe there are. We just don't have any evidence to support our belief in one. (Probably people made the story up, they tend to enjoy that being such creative creatures.) Jr: The Kalam Cosmological Argument should dispel any of your doubts. M: It does not for two reasons that come to mind. Here is a formulation (feel free to substitute your own if this is not the right one in your eyes..) Everything that begins to exist has a cause; Unwarranted assumption. We don't know if this is true at the scales of time and space involved in creation. It is a typical imposition of our limited view of the sensory world to scales that are completely unplugged from our ability to intuit about it. It is unnecessary and merely contrived as if to say : There must be a God so there must be a God. Logic is not a proof. It can preserve truth through proper syllogistic form, but it is only as good as the assumptions which must be proven another way. This is not a good start. 2. The universe began to exist M: There are a lot a problems with this assumptions since it imposes sequential time assumptions on an event which by nature is beyond time and space. This is the realm of you probably don't really understand it physics. (Me either, the subject requires math way beyond my pay grade.) therefore: 3The universe has a cause. Yeah, surprise surprise. This is no proof, it is an an assumption disguised as something logical as if that makes it less assumptive-y. It doesn't. I like the last image joke best. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
[FairfieldLife] All those in favor of God say Aye!'
Aye! I can say aye, because I have a definition for the word, god, with which my intellect can bat aside most of the usual anti-God debate points. Awareness is God. BAM, done. Examine that statement. (Almost anyone's definition of awareness will doexcept that almost no one can define awareness. Heh. And, no, I'm not asking for consciousness to be defined.) What? You're still here? That wasn't enough hard fact for your inner scientist? You need to do some experiments on awareness, before you'll agree with me? Sorry, it can't be done. Awareness is not material, physical, or manifest in any manner, but, hoo boy, yep, apes-and-lower nervous systems manufacture a consciousness that insists it is. Proceed to computationsI mean, go figure. Now, if you've got a complaint about any particular religion, have at it, I'd probably agree with ya. The history of religious institutions' insane embrace of slaughter easily triggers such negativity in my nervous system that I cannot toss a first stone at anyone who's thrown God out with the Religions' bathwaters. I understand. Easy thing to do. Done it myself at several points in my ongoing maturation process. But not anymore. If you want to bitch about faith being illogical, I'm listening, but most examples of faith are relatively benign. So, to beat up folks who have never had two fact-based thoughts in a row is like using an AK47 to obtain a fish.in a barrel. Where's the sport in this? A parrot can say, There is no such thing as God. Ya know? And most humans who say it, say it with about the same amount of resonance. Just something to say. Like that. To KNOW that there is no God.there's the rub. Certainty is the ego's addiction, and that's what bothers atheists -- they can't nail it down. They can't prove it in words or numbers. They can shut up the believers with logic because logic (despite the calculus) doesn't apply to infinity -- ask any physicist who comes across a sleeping eight in a formula. An atheist is religiously asserting a strongly held BELIEF, instead of being syllogistically certain. Big damned difference. Big. And an agnostic is a person who has not yet achieved clarity about the unknowable, undefinable, never-not-there, sentient without consciousness, absolute -- awareness. If you're not enlightened, you're an agnostic. And if so, you're fucked. Cuz, you'll always be clinging to consciousness like an addict to the needle. Always waiting for the next thought to define you-as-you-are-now-even-though-you-won't-be-it-anon. BAH, talk about tawdry relationships -- constantly iterating fealty to the bloody percolations of two pounds of meat. It's downright sodomy. And to those who believe in God without awareness-clarity and say, But but but, Edg, I have soo many beautiful loving worshiping thoughts about the gloriousness of creation. All around I see proof of God's existence. -- I reply, Piss off, addict. Ain't no cookery trick worth a lick in the divine candy store. Give me silence without all the heavy breathing. That'll do.
[FairfieldLife] Re: All those in favor of God say Aye!'
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Aye! I can say aye, because I have a definition for the word, god, with which my intellect can bat aside most of the usual anti-God debate points. Awareness is God. BAM, done. Wow, you must be easily pleased. Examine that statement. (Almost anyone's definition of awareness will doexcept that almost no one can define awareness. Heh. And, no, I'm not asking for consciousness to be defined.) What? You're still here? That wasn't enough hard fact for your inner scientist? You need to do some experiments on awareness, before you'll agree with me? Sorry, it can't be done. Uhu, who says? Awareness is not material, physical, or manifest in any manner, but, hoo boy, yep, apes-and-lower nervous systems manufacture a consciousness that insists it is. I rather think that it is physical. It can be measured, it requires energy and a sophisticated nervous system to function. In fact, if you have the equipment you can't stop it functioning. Not without drugs or physical damage. I blame Descartes, the problem people make for themselves about consciousness (same thing as awareness I reckon, before you write in and complain that I changed the rules) is that they think because they can describe it it must be a thing, and lo and behold when they look there is no thing, thus it must be something ineffable. The solution is that you've made a category error, consciousness isn't a thing it's a process. A verb instead of a noun. You will no more find consciousness in the brain than you'll find running in someone who is sitting still. That's what the contents of my brain think of it all and it's awareness of its contents can't be separated from it. And my awareness of that is what all the machinery is for. I reckon.
[FairfieldLife] Some more Halloween entertainment
I've been hearing about Bobcat Goldthwait's Willow Creek for some time. It's a film about a couple who go to Sasquatch country in search of Big Foot and film their search. it's a found footage film so be ready for plenty of shaky cam. I'm still trying to find what it was shot on because I think Bobcat went all authentic and even used a consumer cam rather than making Red camera footage look like that in post. The film has been in theaters for month thoughs I don't know exactly what theaters that would be and priced streaming appropriately ($7). Thus I was pleased to discover that Amazon has it for 99 cents and rented it to watch last night. I found the film entertaining though it has been very controversial in the film community. Probably tame enough for most folks here except for those who hate the found footage genre. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2885364/?ref_=nv_sr_1 After watching you might enjoy this clip with Bobcat and the two principals. http://youtu.be/P_2BSIfYML8
Re: [FairfieldLife] Billy Graham: America is Just as Wicked...
Predictably, this conversation interested me Steve... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : S: Is this really the broad statement on which an atheist makes his case.? M: I don't know why you would think that. The paradox of prayer he is pointing out is as relevant to believers as much as non believers and is a topic of much theological discussion within religions. As I understand it, he makes the case for a lack of belief in God elsewhere because of a lack of compelling evidence supporting the belief in any of its various forms. S: In which case, it really is a shame to see the arrogant and skewed attitude held by an atheist. M: I don't see where the label arrogant applies. For me it is a much more humble position to say that he does not know the mind of God (or even that he exists at all.) than those who believe that they do. Is is arrogant for you to not join the believers in David Koresh's divinity? But lets get to the point he actually is making which is not a statement of atheism, but of paradox within the beliefs about how prayer works. CH:“The man who prays is the one who thinks that god has arranged matters all wrong, M: Is it that all is well and wisely put by God. Or did he get it wrong about the baby who has cancer? Why does the baby have cancer in the first place God? ( I know Hindus think they have an answer: blame the baby, but when you are praying you are saying to God, excuse me I think you got this karmic calculation wrong. CH: but who also thinks that he can instruct god how to put them right.” M: So what are the supporting beliefs about how the world works that support the action of prayer? I will try to hit Christian and Hindu versions. For Christians there is a hidden premise that God is somehow unaware of the baby in the hospital, which contradicts the omniscience part of his definition, or that he is somehow not able to make if right for the little tyke on his own due to a limitation of his power (phrased as free will for man but this falls apart for the baby) which contradicts his omnipotence definition. Or he may not give a shit about the baby which defies the morally good part of what most people consider as important to the God idea. So what does it mean when a whole planeload of people are falling out of the sky in an airline accident and presumably praying their seat-belted asses off ? Why do they need to? Is God so clueless to miss the problem like superman sitting in a dark bar in the afternoon throwing back scotches and trading banter with the bartender? What is prayer actually doing? 1. Bugging God like a nagging spouse. Let's get everyone praying so he must hear us. As if prayer is like a football cheer made more potent by numbers. 2. Cluing his amoral ass to the problem with people falling out of the sky or a baby dying? 3. Reminding him to pay attention because he gets distracted watching dinosaurs banging each other on the 250 million years ago heavenly animal planet channel? (In his defense, dinosaur porn IS mega hot. Don't get me started with what Triceratops can accomplish with those 3 horns...) 4. Giving an insecure God a pep talk that he can do it? Do we have to praise him up and down like a toddler and kiss his ass to get him to do something about it? Is that the problem, a lack of us demonstrating our toadying, groveling, subservience? Why does he need that? (The Bible is full of formula prayers that assume this very thing.) What exactly is the belief in prayer based on? And why is God always let off the hook when the plane hits the ground? If he can ignore any prayer, why do we need them in the first place? Now the Hindus basically have a mafioso payoff system in place. It is your karma but you can pay off minor deities who will talk to the big man on your behalf. And that requires multiple ass kisses. I was amazed at ceremonies with Maharishi and the pundits rattle off phases with no feeling, just hitting numbers prescribed by the scriptures. Ketu namaha, katu namaha, ketu namaha hundreds of times. It comes from a sacrifice culture that would offer animals just like the people who we dare not speak of in the Old Testament. Later Christians who went all the way with a human sacrifice of the lamb kabob of God, Jesus himself because God created a world where he would need to be appeased for how he created us. A fair condensation of the Old Testament is that : God created man and then everything man does gets God angry. So the concept of prayer is fraught with paradoxes and unanswered questions as far as I can see. And Christopher (may God rest his eternal soul) was pointing that out without needing all my blather explaining it. Cuz he was a badass writer and I am just a hack. But on the upside I am here to write and he is not, so compared to what he is cranking out now, I am freak'n Richard Brautigan! Christopher Hitchens. ---In
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Billy Graham: America is Just as Wicked...
I guess now we are just waiting for the fat lady singing comment. for Barry that is to tout, how many replies he's gotten to his post. I think that's sort of his payoff, I guess. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 10/18/2014 6:45 AM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Jesus, Barry, when did you set the bar so low for yourself? Sometimes people get confused when they get old and they sometimes lash out at imagined enemies, Steve. The sad thing is that we have a real enemy on the war path in Iraq, but Barry thinks you are his enemy. It may be that he is just scared and afraid and feels vulnerable - unable to control his own thoughts or his environment. That's when the cognitive dissonance sets in. Cognitive dissonance is the mental stress or discomfort experienced by an individual who holds two or more contradictory beliefs, ideas, or values at the same time. For example, a belief in karma and at the same time, a denial of causation. It just doesn't make any sense. Barry seems to want to be spiritual and he's been a seeker for most of his adult life, but obviously he hasn't found all the answers. That must be really frustrating - now he is seeking confirmation of some kind - or an appeal for help? Is it really necessary to distort what someone says, just so you can attack the distortion. That also applies to your BFF, although, not so much. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote : Doncha love how people who believe in an invisible magic man in the sky like to portray those who don't as if *they* are the crazy ones. Sometimes the sheer feeble-mindedness of believers astounds me. Or, as someone once said so well: Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd. -- Voltaire I don't know about you, Salyavin, but it's difficult for me to imagine someone whose mind is so weak and whose fear of the unknown is so profound that they would exchange a belief in that which can never be proved to exist (because...duh...it doesn't) for the far more interesting and fulfilling sense of MYSTERY that is their birthright. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 8:58 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Billy Graham: America is Just as Wicked... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... wrote : Ann, These are good quotes which adequately sum up the attitudes of atheists. LOL, adequately sums them up if you want your own narrow viewpoint bolstered you mean.
[FairfieldLife] Re: All those in favor of God say Aye!'
I really enjoyed that ride Edg! Thanks for putting in so F'n effort my friend. It payed off. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Aye! I can say aye, because I have a definition for the word, god, with which my intellect can bat aside most of the usual anti-God debate points. Awareness is God. BAM, done. Examine that statement. (Almost anyone's definition of awareness will doexcept that almost no one can define awareness. Heh. And, no, I'm not asking for consciousness to be defined.) What? You're still here? That wasn't enough hard fact for your inner scientist? You need to do some experiments on awareness, before you'll agree with me? Sorry, it can't be done. Awareness is not material, physical, or manifest in any manner, but, hoo boy, yep, apes-and-lower nervous systems manufacture a consciousness that insists it is. Proceed to computationsI mean, go figure. Now, if you've got a complaint about any particular religion, have at it, I'd probably agree with ya. The history of religious institutions' insane embrace of slaughter easily triggers such negativity in my nervous system that I cannot toss a first stone at anyone who's thrown God out with the Religions' bathwaters. I understand. Easy thing to do. Done it myself at several points in my ongoing maturation process. But not anymore. If you want to bitch about faith being illogical, I'm listening, but most examples of faith are relatively benign. So, to beat up folks who have never had two fact-based thoughts in a row is like using an AK47 to obtain a fish.in a barrel. Where's the sport in this? A parrot can say, There is no such thing as God. Ya know? And most humans who say it, say it with about the same amount of resonance. Just something to say. Like that. To KNOW that there is no God.there's the rub. Certainty is the ego's addiction, and that's what bothers atheists -- they can't nail it down. They can't prove it in words or numbers. They can shut up the believers with logic because logic (despite the calculus) doesn't apply to infinity -- ask any physicist who comes across a sleeping eight in a formula. An atheist is religiously asserting a strongly held BELIEF, instead of being syllogistically certain. Big damned difference. Big. And an agnostic is a person who has not yet achieved clarity about the unknowable, undefinable, never-not-there, sentient without consciousness, absolute -- awareness. If you're not enlightened, you're an agnostic. And if so, you're fucked. Cuz, you'll always be clinging to consciousness like an addict to the needle. Always waiting for the next thought to define you-as-you-are-now-even-though-you-won't-be-it-anon. BAH, talk about tawdry relationships -- constantly iterating fealty to the bloody percolations of two pounds of meat. It's downright sodomy. And to those who believe in God without awareness-clarity and say, But but but, Edg, I have soo many beautiful loving worshiping thoughts about the gloriousness of creation. All around I see proof of God's existence. -- I reply, Piss off, addict. Ain't no cookery trick worth a lick in the divine candy store. Give me silence without all the heavy breathing. That'll do.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Billy Graham: America is Just as Wicked...
I don't believe in the God, that the atheists don't believe in, either. Who the fuck would want to? Theirs is a cultural God, or philosophical God, or logical God. The atheists must define, that which they do not believe in, and I agree, I do not believe in any of the Gods or gods, that they do not believe in, too. The God I know, is unknown to them, they cannot define the God I know, and wouldn't have a clue where to begin. Now, THAT'S funny. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : As it is with most of us Ann. Even when there is a scientific explanation behind it. And there is a sliding scale among everyone here of the belief in God. Barry, of course believes in most of the tenants of theism, but just doesn't use the word God He prefers the word Intelligence so he can get a card that states, I am a Atheist He treasures that card, because it goes along with his self proclaimed label as, rebel. But scratch beneath the surface, and he'd have some explaining to do. But don't expect him to be pressed by anyone in his clique. Oh, gawd, no. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : Everything is a mystery. What people think and why they think it is mysterious. How I can put one foot in front of the other is a mystery, even if someone thinks they can explain the mechanics of it there remain at least 50 mysteries within that act alone. The biggest mystery being what is motivating the desire to put one foot in front of the other. My life is nothing but mystery, I have enough mystery to keep me busy for 1000 lifetimes so don't start claiming that those who have opinions about something lack the capacity to embrace mystery because to do so is to fall into the very trap you are claiming others are already floundering in. I mean, you're the guy who requires the rigid scientific methods to strip down every mystery. You're the one who can't seem to abide something if it isn't clearly documented and disassembled right down to the boring nitty gritty. So don't talk to me about mystery.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, and Barry's mind
I think what we're seeing Michael, is that some of the tendencies Barry has, such as a 35 year habit of pushing people's buttons in the name of cult research and enabling people to understand themselves better are just tendencies he picked up from his time with that Rama guy It just helps to understand the mindset a little better. I wouldn't expect this to make sense to you, since you have your own issues along these lines, but I'll throw it out anyway. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : It is amazing what mind-numbed zombies you people are about this - Barry has been very upfront with his assessment of Lenz, and has said point blank that in some ways Rama was a con artist - yet you all seem to ignore that and use Rama's enormities to paint Barry as a pitiful person and a stupid one too. The same could be said of those who continue to praise a fake guru like Marshy. Case closed. From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 1:55 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, and Barry's mind It's interesting to note that according to the Master of Benjamin Creme, Lenz had a point of evolution of 1,7 when he comitted suicide with a dog collar around his neck. According to that system enlightenment begins with 3,0, so the guru of the Turq wasn't even close. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : I finished the book, which was quite a page turner - Lenz was really into mind-fucking people, kind of a spiritual criminal. I stumbled around, as clueless as the next person, when I was young, but I could *always* smell a phony, and Lenz, from what I have seen of him, never would have passed my smell test. Insecure and sleazy is a bad combination. I hope Barry opens his eyes, to the cage this asshole put him in. And soon. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 10/18/2014 8:29 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Yes, take a look at the book - It explains Barry's thinking quite well. A good read, sorry I didn't see it sooner. The Zen Master Rama took Barry for a long ride and charged him big bucks just to be in his company. The entire Barry guru scam is laid out in this book by a former cult member who managed to escape the cult with his mind still somewhat intact. The question is, why didn't Barry provide this information to us years ago? Some cult members never get out of the cult mindset. They go into a kind of reverse-cult mentality - imagining that everyone else - is in a cult, all seeking to destroy him. It's a form of paranoia that sometimes sets in when a cult member gets deprogrammed. No wonder Barry is so angry and strident - he's been turned. When that happens, the former cult member imagines his old friends are in a cult and tries to get them to join his new cult, which is the anti-cult cult, and to follow his new leaders. Instead of being really deprogrammed, it just sets up a new cult mindset. This has been noted by sociologists who study cults and cult awareness networks (CAN). Freddie said he was the perfect mirror, and if you perceived something negative in him, you were really seeing it in yourself. Sounds so much like Bawee. Explains all the golden light and levitation crap, too. Obviously Barry let himself get brain-washed and put into a trance-induction state by the leader of the cult - Fred Lenz. Nobody in their right mind is going to pay $10,000 just to attend a few levitation demonstrations. You'd have to be in almost total cognitive dissonance after being exposed to that level of fraud and deception over a decade. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote : Look, every body gets the pushing of buttons. We all get ours pushed sometimes, and we all do some pushing ourselves. But, from what you've found below, it does it appear that Barry has elevated this pushing of buttons to, well, some kind of religion. And as in most religions, some things get distorted. Helps to explain things, I think. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : If you want to know how Barry thinks, and how he got so screwed up, there is a free ebook, from someone who was very close to Freddie. The name of the book is: TAKE ME FOR A RIDE Coming Of Age In A Destructive Cult, by Mark E. Laxer. Available on the link that Richard posted. Here are some quotes from the book. When I read them, they sounded strangely familiar. Note: Freddie used to call himself, Atmananada (Soul of Love), before he decided he was the final incarnation of Vishnu. The guy sounds VERY CRAZY:
[FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness
Curtis, My responses are shown in red below: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Barry, Have you ever thought that atheism is also a belief-- and an unreasonable one at that? M: Couldn't help overhearing... Atheism is not a belief because it is not a positive assertion that there is no God. It is the assertion that there is no compelling evidence to support the belief. We don't need to have a belief that there are no unicorns. Maybe there are. We just don't have any evidence to support our belief in one. (Probably people made the story up, they tend to enjoy that being such creative creatures.) Atheism is defined as a belief in no god, according to Webster's College Dictionary. By the suffix of the word ism, the word is self-defined as a belief, according to the rules of the English language. It appears that the self-proclaimed atheists should understand what the meaning of the word Atheism means before saying that they are not believers. As such, you have the responsibility to prove your case. You cannot rely on the theists to prove their case, while you take the contrary view. Jr: The Kalam Cosmological Argument should dispel any of your doubts. M: It does not for two reasons that come to mind. Here is a formulation (feel free to substitute your own if this is not the right one in your eyes..) You have restated the KCA correctly as shown in the following link: Kalām cosmological argument - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kal%C4%81m_cosmological_argument Kalām cosmological argument - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kal%C4%81m_cosmological_argument The term Kalām cosmological argument (sometimes capitalized Kalām Cosmological Argument, or abbreviated KCA) is used to refer to a modern defense or re-formulation of the historical cosmological argument for the existence of God by William Lane Craig, first propos... View on en.wikipedia.org http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kal%C4%81m_cosmological_argument Preview by Yahoo Everything that begins to exist has a cause; Unwarranted assumption. We don't know if this is true at the scales of time and space involved in creation. It is a typical imposition of our limited view of the sensory world to scales that are completely unplugged from our ability to intuit about it. It is unnecessary and merely contrived as if to say : There must be a God so there must be a God. Logic is not a proof. It can preserve truth through proper syllogistic form, but it is only as good as the assumptions which must be proven another way. This is not a good start. It appears that you don't agree with the premise in 1 above. As such, prove to us that the premise in NOT true. Please, give us your argument and evidence that everything that begins to exist DOESN'T have a cause. Give us a specific instance in Nature that shows that statement 1 is incorrect. 2. The universe began to exist M: There are a lot a problems with this assumptions since it imposes sequential time assumptions on an event which by nature is beyond time and space. This is the realm of you probably don't really understand it physics. (Me either, the subject requires math way beyond my pay grade.) Can you prove that the universe did not begin to exist? Is it logical to assume that there are a lot of problems with statement 2 when you don't even have an example to disprove it? If you don't have any evidence, there's a very good chance your assumption is INCORRECT. therefore: 3The universe has a cause. Yeah, surprise surprise. This is no proof, it is an an assumption disguised as something logical as if that makes it less assumptive-y. It doesn't. By rules of logic, if statements 1 and 2 are true, then statement 3 must be true. If you don't agree, then you're not being logical. There's a very good chance that you're thinking is not thorough and is biased. I like the last image joke best. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
[FairfieldLife] Re: All those in favor of God say Aye!'
Yeah, awareness = God...Well said, actually fucking excellent - quite profound, and simple, too. It holds together. Nukes religion, since there is no intermediary, to personal awareness. Clearly re-configures atheists as agnostics, too, prior to enlightenment, or 24x7 pure awareness. wowie - zowie. Some brainfully beautiful stuff, here. I enjoyed your comments about a response to faith, too...ruins the barrel (and probably the fish, as well). :-) Really beautiful writing - Thank you! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Aye! I can say aye, because I have a definition for the word, god, with which my intellect can bat aside most of the usual anti-God debate points. Awareness is God. BAM, done. Examine that statement. (Almost anyone's definition of awareness will doexcept that almost no one can define awareness. Heh. And, no, I'm not asking for consciousness to be defined.) What? You're still here? That wasn't enough hard fact for your inner scientist? You need to do some experiments on awareness, before you'll agree with me? Sorry, it can't be done. Awareness is not material, physical, or manifest in any manner, but, hoo boy, yep, apes-and-lower nervous systems manufacture a consciousness that insists it is. Proceed to computationsI mean, go figure. Now, if you've got a complaint about any particular religion, have at it, I'd probably agree with ya. The history of religious institutions' insane embrace of slaughter easily triggers such negativity in my nervous system that I cannot toss a first stone at anyone who's thrown God out with the Religions' bathwaters. I understand. Easy thing to do. Done it myself at several points in my ongoing maturation process. But not anymore. If you want to bitch about faith being illogical, I'm listening, but most examples of faith are relatively benign. So, to beat up folks who have never had two fact-based thoughts in a row is like using an AK47 to obtain a fish.in a barrel. Where's the sport in this? A parrot can say, There is no such thing as God. Ya know? And most humans who say it, say it with about the same amount of resonance. Just something to say. Like that. To KNOW that there is no God.there's the rub. Certainty is the ego's addiction, and that's what bothers atheists -- they can't nail it down. They can't prove it in words or numbers. They can shut up the believers with logic because logic (despite the calculus) doesn't apply to infinity -- ask any physicist who comes across a sleeping eight in a formula. An atheist is religiously asserting a strongly held BELIEF, instead of being syllogistically certain. Big damned difference. Big. And an agnostic is a person who has not yet achieved clarity about the unknowable, undefinable, never-not-there, sentient without consciousness, absolute -- awareness. If you're not enlightened, you're an agnostic. And if so, you're fucked. Cuz, you'll always be clinging to consciousness like an addict to the needle. Always waiting for the next thought to define you-as-you-are-now-even-though-you-won't-be-it-anon. BAH, talk about tawdry relationships -- constantly iterating fealty to the bloody percolations of two pounds of meat. It's downright sodomy. And to those who believe in God without awareness-clarity and say, But but but, Edg, I have soo many beautiful loving worshiping thoughts about the gloriousness of creation. All around I see proof of God's existence. -- I reply, Piss off, addict. Ain't no cookery trick worth a lick in the divine candy store. Give me silence without all the heavy breathing. That'll do.
