[FairfieldLife] Well, whaddya know - nine/eleven!

2005-08-22 Thread cardemaister

avajaananti maam muuDhaa
  maanuSiiM tanum aashritam
paraM bhaavam ajaananto
  mama bhuuta-mahesh_varam

The ignorant ones (muuDhaaH), not knowing
(ajaanantaH) My (mama) supreme (param)
natures (bhaavam) as the great Lord 
(maheshvaram) of all beings (bhuuta-) , 
disregard (avajaananti) Me (maam) 
when I assume (aashritam) human 
(maanuSiim) form (tanum). (9.11)





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Prediction: the next MMY pronouncement

2005-08-22 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], shempmcgurk 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 In light of the two letters to the editor that Rick Archer 
 reproduced for us -- and which I found were of the Fundamentalist 
 Christian ilk wrapped in TM cultspeak -- I am ready to predict what 
 the next direction the Movement will take.
 
 In the last of the two letters, the writer relates that he got into 
 a discussion with a prostelytizer at the door (sect and religion 
 not mentioned). And it struck me and others on this forum how very 
 similar both the door knocker and the letter writer -- the TMer -- 
 were.  
 
 Then it came to me that it would be only natural that MMY require 
 all that are recertified to spend 3 hours each day going door-to-
 door spreading the world of TM.
 
 Heck, the Mormons do it; the Jehovah's Witnesses do it; Girl Scouts 
 do it (aren't those chocolate-coconut cookies the best? 
 http://www.girlscoutcookiesabc.com/atc/Caramel_deLites.asp)...so 
 why not TMers?
 
 If the kooky idea of malls was breached and taken seriously by the 
 TM powers that be, knocking on doors is not too much of a stretch, 
 eh?  And, hey, once it's pointed out to MMY that there's no cost 
 per square foot to do door-to-door, I think it will start to have 
 an appeal!
 
 Anyone want to take any bets that this will happen?

The real secret of the girl scout cookie drive
success is that it's a contest -- the girls are
earning college money for selling the most cookies, 
that sorta thang.  So to really make it a success, 
you'd have to come up with some sort of TM contest.

Maybe the poor recerts could earn their way to
Raja status.  Bring in 108 new initiates and 
earn your robe!  Bring in 300 and get the crown
that goes with it.  






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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Leaning Into Flight'

2005-08-22 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 Sometimes I get the feeling;
  
 Especially from dreams;
  
 The flying dreams, I've had;
  
 Where I am able to fully levitate in the dream.
  
 That I somehow 'leaning into like falling backwards'
  
 When the urge to lift off.
  
 Almost, like hopping up, backwards motion 
  
 Leaning 'back' into the impulse;
  
 And sensing a feeling;
  
 Of energy, prana;
  
 As you lean back ward's;
  
 It's as if you hopped in a backward; sort of;
  
 Circular motion, that once 'getting it';
  
 It feels completely spontaneous, and easy.
  
 Kind of like; flowing up and back;
  
 Into the field of gravity itself.

Nice.  Based on my dreams, in which I can fly pretty
much any time I want, the word 'prana' may be right
on.  There is something I do with the breath to 
enable flying in the dream plane...now if I could
just remember what it is when awake...






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Deccan Herald- advice to Bush- Close south entrance

2005-08-22 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
  In a message dated 8/21/05 1:48:58 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
  That bit  of news aught to sell a few mantras.  maybe.
  
  It just increases  the 'kook' vibe for the general public.
  
  
  
  
  Glad you recognize that.
 
 How could it be missed? (Oh, wait lots of folks have missed it...).
 I've   had people who were anxious to start TM look at the TMO
 websites and never mention it favorably again. And these were
 successfull, spiritually minded people. To sum up their comments: 
 eoueeh! 
 
 TM finally was around enough to gain some visible respectability in
 the press and then went even wierder.

It all started to go downhill with those gold-encrusted
publications that began to appear around the time of the
Yawning of the Age of Enlightenment, and continues into
the websites of today.  Who could look at them and not
think 'cult?'






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Prediction: the next MMY pronouncement

2005-08-22 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], shempmcgurk 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  Malls centers ARE kooky and selling Maharishi honey, candy bars, 
  soap, etc. is kooky cubed.
 
 Why? It brings in money, does it not?

This is pretty hilarious.  On the one hand we've got
the conservative greed-is-good capitalist arguing 
that these business ideas are kooky and out of place
in an organization that should be focusing on teach-
ing meditation to as many people as possible.  On the
other we've got the liberal saying that anything that
brings in money is good for the movement.  Go figure.  :-)







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Gravity refuted!

2005-08-22 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], qntmpkt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 [...]
   The average physicist today would say that there is no such 
entity, 
  nor can there be. Basically, predicting the future with 100% 
  precision is out of the question.
 
 All knowing may not be the same as predicting the future.
 
 Think of God as the observer-state of the universe.
 
 All POSSIBLE universes.

Ah, but if God is well read, and has delved into the
Heisenberg Principle, He'd know that to observe is to
influence, so out of fairness He wouldn't be watching.  :-)






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Prediction: the next MMY pronouncement

2005-08-22 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
  --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], shempmcgurk 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
   Malls centers ARE kooky and selling Maharishi honey, candy 
bars, 
   soap, etc. is kooky cubed.
  
  Why? It brings in money, does it not?
 
 This is pretty hilarious.  On the one hand we've got
 the conservative greed-is-good capitalist arguing 
 that these business ideas are kooky and out of place
 in an organization that should be focusing on teach-
 ing meditation to as many people as possible.  On the
 other we've got the liberal saying that anything that
 brings in money is good for the movement.  Go figure.  :-)

The above was obviously tongue in cheek, but
there is a question I've been wanting to ask
sparaig for a while.  You seem to be consistently
in favor of anything that brings in money so
that the organization can survive into the future.
Is that a correct assessment?

My question is, Survive as what?

The Catholic Church has survived for a long time.
As an organization that no longer offers any
technique or method by which followers can be
like the supposed founder of the organization 
(Christ) or achieve any of the things he lived
on a daily basis.  In fact, all of the dogma
even *suggesting* that followers could ever be
on the same level as Christ has been carefully
purged and eliminated.

It's an organization whose major goal can be 
accurately viewed in terms of history as self
preservation.  The primary goal of the Catholic
Church IS the preservation and continuation of
the Catholic Church.  Always has been.

In my opinion, that's where the TMO is headed.
They've *already* all but eliminated the teach-
ing of TM.  But they're raising money like gang-
busters to be able to continue teaching the
technique they no longer teach and seemingly
have no interest in ever teaching on a mass
scale again.  The emphasis is all on Grand 
Schemes (big buildings) and robes and crowns to 
impress the lingering rank and filers (think 
the pomp and circumstance of the costumes worn
at the Vatican).

What is is that the TMO is raising all this 
money FOR?  In your opinion, it seems to be a 
way of ensuring that this valuable rediscovery
they call TM will never be lost, and will be
made available to future generations.  However,
even in *this* generation, the organization has
done everything in its power to make sure it is
NOT available.  TM, the *foundation* of the 
church, is passé, forgotten.  It is rarely 
even *discussed* in the TMO any more, as far as 
I can tell, much less taught.

I think the TM organization is already caught in
self perpetuation mode.  They want to keep on
keepin' on forever, and need more and more money
TO keep on keepin' on forever.  But they have
forgotten WHY they wanted to keep on keepin' on
in the first place.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators aren't deluded - nonbelievers are

2005-08-22 Thread Irmeli Mattsson
This letter has features of erroneous logic typical of fundamentalism
as has the person, who visited the writer.

I haven't seen anyone levitating yet. And the claim of 90% reduce of
illness in TM practitioners is just obnoxious as it is very untrue for
most meditators.
 
I recently participated a seminar, where a  theosopher  gave an
introduction. He cited from Jesus saying: I'm the path, the truth, and
life. (Sorry I don't know the exact English formula)
This man had understood that each one of us are the path, the truth
and life.
Great insight, huge awakening.

Irmeli


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Letter to the editor of the Fairfield Ledger by Laurence Topliffe,
August
 18. Again, if you want to write a letter to the editor in response
to this
 or the other one, send it to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and include your real name and
 where you live. Keep it under 500 words.
 
 To the editor:
 A couple days ago, I was sitting at my computer when a gentleman
knocked on
 my door. When I asked what he wanted, he asked me if I was concerned
with
 what was going on in the world such as child abductions and other
crimes. I
 said of course I was. He replied that he would like to speak with me
about a
 solution. I said that he must not know about the U.S. Peace
Government and
 what we were doing which would end this and other crimes. He said he
know
 about it but that the whole thing was just a sham.
 
 When I tried to tell him that he was wrong and basically didn¹t know
 anything about it, he said he didn¹t want to debate me and when I
tried to
 show him how he was wrong he literally jumped off the porch and ran
down the
 sidewalk.
 
 I know that this person was going to tell me what his religion says
and to
 try to convince me that the only way to end the crimes is to become
a member
 of his religion or pray with him and others.
 
 For anyone to think that the U.S. Peace Government and the knowledge
it is
 based on is a sham is frankly quite absurd, for a number of reasons.
First,
 it would mean that all those who benefited from the technique really
didn¹t.
 (They must be deluded.) Second, it would mean that Maharishi Mahesh
Yogi,
 who brought the TM technique to the world, is a liar or is also
deluded or
 something. Third, it would mean that all the research (or perhaps
only some
 I\of it), research that has been published in some of the most
prestigious
 scientific journals in the world and which shows, among other
things, that
 the crime rate falls when the number of TM meditators (or yogic
flyers) in
 an area is high enough, that the practice reduces illness by as much
as 90
 percent, that it increases mental potential, etc., is all fake and
that the
 scientists who did the research and also the ones who accepted the
research
 for publication, were somehow in collusion to perpetrate a hoax on the
 entire human race. It would mean that the yogic flyers are not really
 levitating but are only pretending to and that the research that
shows that
 the brain wave coherence within and between the hemispheres increases
 dramatically when they are levitating is nothing but a bunch of lies. It
 would mean that the seven judges in St. Louis, Mo., who are sentencing
 offenders to practice the TM technique are basing their decisions on
 nothing. It would mean that the students who said they found schoolwork
 easier, more enjoyable and got better grades and enjoyed school
more, have
 been lying or are also deluded.
 
 It¹s clear that it¹s not the meditators who are deluded. It¹s those who
 think that the meditators are who are deluded. It is very
unfortunate that
 many of those who think that way do so because of what their
religion tells
 them.
 
 When I was going to church, I remember being told that Jesus was an
example
 of what we could all become. By now, it should be clear that one can¹t
 become like him by going to church or praying. If that was true, by this
 time, thousands of members of all religions would have become like
him and
 would have gained the ability to perform ³miracles.² Not only have
religions
 not achieved this, many clergy have committed some of the heinous acts
 imaginable. Yet those who practice the TM technique can describe
what Jesus
 called the ³Kingdom of Heaven within.² They can describe it because
the TM
 practice allows one to experience it.
 
 Laurence Topliffe, Fairfield




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Respecting Maharishi requires absolute belief

2005-08-22 Thread Irmeli Mattsson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Letter from Jon Kelly Kirkpatrick to the editor of the Fairfield Ledger,

snip
 However, if one really understands what Maharishi
 is saying, one is left with just two possibilities. When someone claims
 total knowledge as Maharishi has, it gives us a great epistemological
 advantage. How can anyone claim total knowledge unless he either has
it or
 is a fake? Can you think of anything in between? 

snip

I can think a whole universe in between. The world is not black and white.

Irmeli





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[FairfieldLife] Re: What if ?

2005-08-22 Thread Irmeli Mattsson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  It just dawned on me to look at MMY:s proclamations symbolically
  rather than literally. Actually this way his thinking and reasoning
  starts to make sense.


 
 It's an interesting and positive way of looking at 
 things, but I still have trouble getting past the
 fact that he wants 600 billion dollars of other
 people's money to pay for the latest symbol. :-)
 

Me too. Here it may be useful to know that you can make sense of the
talk of psychotic people and possibly even help them by not
understanding there odd expressions and logic literally and instead
searching for the hidden symbolic message. 

Irmeli




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Respecting Maharishi requires absolute belief

2005-08-22 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
  Letter from Jon Kelly Kirkpatrick to the editor of the Fairfield 
Ledger,
 
 snip
   However, if one really understands what Maharishi
  is saying, one is left with just two possibilities. When someone 
  claims total knowledge as Maharishi has, it gives us a great 
  epistemological advantage. How can anyone claim total knowledge 
  unless he either has it or
  is a fake? Can you think of anything in between? 
 
 snip
 
 I can think a whole universe in between. The world is not black 
 and white.

Ah, but it can be.  Do you own a digital camera or
camcorder?  Chances are that there is a mode switch
on that camera.  Choose the right setting, and all the
colors go out of the viewfinder.  Point it at anything,
and all you see is black and white.

There's probably another mode for sepia.  Choose that
one, and everything in the viewfinder is displayed in
shades of gold (or brown) and white.

These are neat features.  One can look at them as being
analogous to our ability as humans to *choose* how we
see the world.  There is nothing inherently wrong in
making a decision to choose a viewfinder setting in
which the world appears all black and white, or all gold.

What is questionable is when the person who has made such
a choice starts to delare that the world really looks that 
way, just because they have chosen to see it that way...






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[FairfieldLife] 'When Is God Watching?'

2005-08-22 Thread Robert Gimbel
When is God watching?
Obviously when we are watching.
God lives through us.
We do influence what we put our attention on.
So, if we put our attention on anything;
When we are established in God;
Then God is watching.
But when we pray to a statue;
Or chant words we do not understand;
Or listen and believe the media;
We lose God watching.
And when we lose God watching;
Then we have chaos, and war.
At this point in history;
It seems obvious;
That evil is not possible;
When God is watching.
That is the principle of invincibility,
Maharishi speaks of;
When God is watching;
From within us.
Who cares about 300 billion dollars;
Maybe Maharishi, has just figured out;
That the only thing we really love, in these times,
When God is not watching;
Is Money.
So, in order to find God;
Don't look to an organization of any kind.
They will always fall short;
For an organization is not God.
You know where God is.
Now, find Him.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Respecting Maharishi requires absolute belief

2005-08-22 Thread Irmeli Mattsson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
   Letter from Jon Kelly Kirkpatrick to the editor of the Fairfield 
 Ledger,
  
  snip
However, if one really understands what Maharishi
   is saying, one is left with just two possibilities. When someone 
   claims total knowledge as Maharishi has, it gives us a great 
   epistemological advantage. How can anyone claim total knowledge 
   unless he either has it or
   is a fake? Can you think of anything in between? 
  
  snip
  
  I can think a whole universe in between. The world is not black 
  and white.
 
 Ah, but it can be.  Do you own a digital camera or
 camcorder?  Chances are that there is a mode switch
 on that camera.  Choose the right setting, and all the
 colors go out of the viewfinder.  Point it at anything,
 and all you see is black and white.
 
 There's probably another mode for sepia.  Choose that
 one, and everything in the viewfinder is displayed in
 shades of gold (or brown) and white.
 
 These are neat features.  One can look at them as being
 analogous to our ability as humans to *choose* how we
 see the world.  There is nothing inherently wrong in
 making a decision to choose a viewfinder setting in
 which the world appears all black and white, or all gold.
 
 What is questionable is when the person who has made such
 a choice starts to delare that the world really looks that 
 way, just because they have chosen to see it that way...


Good analogies. Although I cannot see that we generally choose to see
the view as black and white. A new dimension or structure in our
perception seems to first appear as black and white. With more
evolution colours come with. Just as we first had black and white
movies and TV. And it is good to help people with black and white
views to get in some colours also.

Irmeli






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[FairfieldLife] Attack on Amma

2005-08-22 Thread David Fiske
 
 
Attack on India's 'hugging saint'  
 
Mata Amritanandamayi bestows blessings with a hug 
An unidentified man has been arrested after he apparently tried to 
stab a famous Indian spiritual leader known as the hugging saint 
on Sunday. 
Mata Amritanandamayi, who blesses her devotees with a hug, escaped 
unhurt in the attack which took place in Kerala. 

Reports say her followers wrestled the attacker on to the ground 
before he could reach the stage where she was leading prayers for 
18,000 people. 

She has a huge following in India and supporters around the world. 

  I don't want my [followers] to create any problem for what had 
happened 

Mata Amritanandamayi


Embraced by the saint  

The incident took place in Kerala's in Kollam district, where Ms 
Amritanandamayi's group is based. 

Two of her followers are said to have suffered minor injuries in the 
attack. 

I heard someone shouting, I couldn't see his face, she told Indian 
television channel, NDTV. 

He had a knife in his hand. 

The Indian Express newspaper said the attacker may have been a 
follower who was expelled recently. 

Humble roots 

Ms Amritanandamayi said on Monday she wanted her followers to 
forgive the attacker. 

 
Amma began hugging devotees at a young age 

All those who are born will die one day. I am going ahead keeping 
this reality in mind, she said. 

I will carry on. I will continue to give darshan to the devotees 
coming here to meet me. I don't want my [followers] to create any 
problem for what had happened yesterday. 

Known to her followers as Amma (Mother), Mata Amritanandamayi, 51, 
heads a charitable trust which runs schools and hospitals across 
India and abroad. 

Ms Amritanandamayi, whose name means Mother of Absolute Bliss was 
born to a low caste family in a southern Indian fishing community. 

She refused school and then marriage, preferring to meditate. She 
began hugging devotees at a young age. 

In the 1980s Ms Amritanandamayi founded an ashram, or spiritual 
home, to receive followers and dispense more hugs. 





 





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[FairfieldLife] Organic mung dahl

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Prediction: the next MMY pronouncement

2005-08-22 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
  eh?  And, hey, once it's pointed out to MMY that there's no cost 
  per square foot to do door-to-door, I think it will start to have 
  an appeal!
  
  Anyone want to take any bets that this will happen?
 
 The real secret of the girl scout cookie drive
 success is that it's a contest -- the girls are
 earning college money for selling the most cookies, 
 that sorta thang.

Actually not.  They get patches and pins,
no monetary awards.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators aren't deluded - nonbelievers are

2005-08-22 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson 
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 This letter has features of erroneous logic typical of fundamentalism
 as has the person, who visited the writer.
 
 I haven't seen anyone levitating yet. And the claim of 90% reduce of
 illness in TM practitioners is just obnoxious as it is very untrue 
 for most meditators.

In fairness, he said up to 90%, so there was
a bit of qualification.  There's probably some
study somewhere showing that 90% of some illness
was reduced.  Obnoxiously misleading, perhaps,
but maybe not entirely untrue.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Prediction: the next MMY pronouncement

2005-08-22 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 snip
   eh?  And, hey, once it's pointed out to MMY that there's no 
   cost per square foot to do door-to-door, I think it will start 
   to have an appeal!
   
   Anyone want to take any bets that this will happen?
  
  The real secret of the girl scout cookie drive
  success is that it's a contest -- the girls are
  earning college money for selling the most cookies, 
  that sorta thang.
 
 Actually not.  They get patches and pins,
 no monetary awards.

Mea culpa if I mistook what has definitely been a local
policy, possibly sponsored by local Girl Scout supporters,
for the national one.  But there have actually been articles
in newspapers where I've lived over the years about the
Girl Scout who won the contest and got a scholarship, so
the policy does exist at least in some places.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Prediction: the next MMY pronouncement

2005-08-22 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  snip
eh?  And, hey, once it's pointed out to MMY that there's no 
cost per square foot to do door-to-door, I think it will
start to have an appeal!

Anyone want to take any bets that this will happen?
   
   The real secret of the girl scout cookie drive
   success is that it's a contest -- the girls are
   earning college money for selling the most cookies, 
   that sorta thang.
  
  Actually not.  They get patches and pins,
  no monetary awards.
 
 Mea culpa if I mistook what has definitely been a local
 policy, possibly sponsored by local Girl Scout supporters,
 for the national one.  But there have actually been articles
 in newspapers where I've lived over the years about the
 Girl Scout who won the contest and got a scholarship, so
 the policy does exist at least in some places.

Yeah, there could be local contests funded by local
supporters, but the only Girl Scout-specific policy
involved would be that of allowing them to take place.

The whole idea of the Girl Scouts (and Boy Scouts) is
mastering skills for your own satisfaction and future
benefit in life; that's why the only official awards
are the patches and pins.  They make a big deal about
what can be learned from participating in the cookie
program--teamwork, how to handle money, keep records,
do market research, construct a sales pitch, and so on.
There's a whole curriculum involved.

And the local Scout troops design their own selling
programs, deciding how much to charge for the cookies,
which ones to order from which supplier, how much 
of the proceeds will be turned back to the national
organization and how much will be kept to fund local
Girl Scout projects.

Wouldn't be a bad model at all for the TMO, come to
think of it.

(They do need to get rid of the trans-fats in the
cookies, though.)






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Prediction: the next MMY pronouncement

2005-08-22 Thread sallysunshine01
Impossible, since only GS s in their elementary years are allowed to
sell.  GSs join mainly 
for those early years--by the time they're in HS  most have long
since moved on. The few 
that stay do so mostly to help out the younger troops.  And the GS
policies are the same 
all over the country. There are no speical regional rules.


Sal

 Mea culpa if I mistook what has definitely been a local
 policy, possibly sponsored by local Girl Scout supporters,
 for the national one.  But there have actually been articles
 in newspapers where I've lived over the years about the
 Girl Scout who won the contest and got a scholarship, so
 the policy does exist at least in some places.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Prediction: the next MMY pronouncement

2005-08-22 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sallysunshine01 
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 Impossible, since only GS s in their elementary years are allowed 
to
 sell.  GSs join mainly 
 for those early years--by the time they're in HS  most have long
 since moved on. The few 
 that stay do so mostly to help out the younger troops.  And the GS
 policies are the same 
 all over the country. There are no speical regional rules.

Tell that to the reporters who wrote the articles
I've seen over the years, in more than one town.
As I remember, the amounts of the scholarships were 
pretty low ($1000 or so), to be put in trust for the
kid until she reached college age.

As seems to need to be said often on this forum,
just 'cause you've never seen something doesn't mean 
it's impossible, only that you haven't seen it. 

Heck, it may even be *against* official Girl Scout
policy for all I know...I wasn't ever one.  The 
closest I ever got was at summer camp once, where
we had the Boy Scout camp on one side of the lake
and the Girl Scout camp on the other side.  One of
the only merit badges I ever earned was for swimming.  :-)

Unc

  Mea culpa if I mistook what has definitely been a local
  policy, possibly sponsored by local Girl Scout supporters,
  for the national one.  But there have actually been articles
  in newspapers where I've lived over the years about the
  Girl Scout who won the contest and got a scholarship, so
  the policy does exist at least in some places.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Prediction: the next MMY pronouncement

2005-08-22 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sallysunshine01 
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 Impossible, since only GS s in their elementary years are allowed to
 sell.

These days, accumulating money for college
can start very early, sometimes even from
birth, because the cost of a college education
is so high.  It's by no means impossible that 
scholarship money would be a big incentive for
(at least the parents of) elementary-age 
Girl Scouts, especially since even a small 
amount invested at the time would grow
significantly by the time the child was ready
for college.

Also, of course, an excellent way for a local
business to get publicity.  And if the girls
are hotly competing for the scholarship money,
it's good for both the local troop and the
national organization because more cookies will
be sold.  I seriously doubt the Girl Scout
organization would be unwilling to permit such
offers to be made.  But they *would* be local,
and none of the money would come from the 
organization, either local or national.





  GSs join mainly 
 for those early years--by the time they're in HS  most have long
 since moved on. The few 
 that stay do so mostly to help out the younger troops.  And the GS
 policies are the same 
 all over the country. There are no speical regional rules.
 
 
 Sal
 
  Mea culpa if I mistook what has definitely been a local
  policy, possibly sponsored by local Girl Scout supporters,
  for the national one.  But there have actually been articles
  in newspapers where I've lived over the years about the
  Girl Scout who won the contest and got a scholarship, so
  the policy does exist at least in some places.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Attack on Amma

2005-08-22 Thread Rick Archer
on 8/22/05 6:01 AM, David Fiske at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 She refused school and then marriage, preferring to meditate. She
 began hugging devotees at a young age.

She didn't refuse school, but her parents pulled her out after the 4th grade
to make her a household servant. She did refuse marriage, chasing some
potential suitors off with a stick.





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[FairfieldLife] Amma is not afraid of death

2005-08-22 Thread Rick Archer
from Amritapuri.org

Press Conference After Devi Bhava
4:30am, Monday August 22nd, 2005

As Amma gave darshan, the leading press agencies from around the world
descended on Amritapuri to find out what had really happened earlier in the
night. (NEWS) Since the news was already appearing in the media, devotees
from around the world began calling the ashram to inquire about Amma's
wellbeing. Reporters from the leading news agencies, like Reuters, NDTV,
Sahara TV, Aajtak, Star News, ANI etc., were waiting for hours to interview
Amma.

As soon as the darshan finished, Amma came straight from the stage and met
all the waiting reporters in her hut.

One of the reporters asked, What is Amma's reaction to this incident?

Amma smilingly replied, I don‚t have any reaction to this incident.   Amma
doesn‚t have any fear of death.  There have never been any security measures
taken here in the ashram, and if anyone wants to kill Amma, they can do it
anywhere at any time.  Amma is not afraid of death at all.

Amma continued by referring to the swamis. They are afraid that Amma can be
harmed. There was a police intelligence report passed on to the ashram
officials about 2 weeks back that stated there may be a threat against
Amma.

She went on to say, Amma doesn‚t know all the people staying here. Many
come just to get darshan and don‚t leave the ashram afterwards.  They may
hang around and sleep on the balcony or on the beach somewhere.  Amma
doesn't even know where all the residents in the ashram come from.  If Amma
were really afraid of death, the first thing she would have done is check
the background of everyone staying here at the ashram.

Amma continued, Whatever is meant to happen will happen when the time
comes.  I just want to do what I have to do.  Anyway, one day we all have to
die.  Therefore, it is better to get worn out than to rust away.

The next reporter asked, How should Amma's children respond to this?

Amma answered with a question of her own. What is the use in reacting?
Forgive.  The past is gone.

Amma was then asked, Hearing this news, devotees around the world will be
very anxious.  What is your message for them?

Amma advised They need not worry at all.  Nothing will happen to Amma.  He
didn‚t attack Amma; he simply came onto the stage with a knife.  Amma wants
all her children to be patient and calm. They should not create any problems
in the name of this incident.  That is Amma's only fear.  When Amma was
informed about what happened, she said, 'No one should worry about this;
there is no reason to panic.  Even if there were policeman and security
here, if someone wants to kill Amma, they can kill me.  My path is this
(hugging people)∑ till the end.  Amma will continue to give darshan.
Anybody can dress up as a brahmachari.  If someone want to kill me, they can
simply dress up like that.' 

The last question was asked, Would you like to meet the attacker?

Amma replied, I don‚t have any problem meeting him.  Amma will meet
everyone.  Amma has overcome much worse situations than this in the past.
Amma doesn‚t give much importance to this incident.




Ôm Amriteswaryai Namah





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[FairfieldLife] Urban Legends Reference Pages: Inboxer Rebellion (Walken for President)

2005-08-22 Thread Rick Archer
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[FairfieldLife] Break the cords

2005-08-22 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Break the cords





The soul that is attached to anything, however much good there
may be in it, will not arrive at the liberty of divine union.
For whether it be a strong wire rope or a slender and delicate
thread that holds the bird, it matters not, if it really holds
it fast; for until the cord be broken, the bird cannot fly.
-- Saint John of the Cross






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[FairfieldLife] More Indian press on the south-facing factor

2005-08-22 Thread george
Hindustan Times
author: S. Rajagopalan
Washington, August 21, 2005

http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1468563,00050001.htm


South is bad vaastu for both Bush, Blair


Just close the White House's south entrance and see the difference. That is the 
advice for 
US President George W. Bush from John Hagelin, quantum physicist from Harvard 
and a 
Vedic architecture buff.

For making wiser and more intelligent decisions, Bush should start using the 
north 
entrance, says Hagelin. He has a similar prescription for Bush's 
comrade-in-arms, Tony 
Blair: Shut down the south entrance to 10 Downing Street.

This could mean the end of their troubles in Iraq. Nothing seems to be working 
yet. Vaastu 
may well bring the two leaders some respite.

Vedic architecture, incorporating Vaastu principles, is just about catching on 
in the US — a 
$ 72-million tower, touted as the world's largest Vedic green office building, 
is now 
coming up on Washington's outskirts.

Much of the Vaastu propagation is being carried out by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi's 
band of 
followers like Hagelin, who heads an organisation called the US Peace 
Government.

Nothing good will ever come from the government as long as the leaders are 
living and 
working in the disorderly influence of improperly designed and oriented 
buildings. The 
leaders should flee these old buildings as they were hit by an earthquake, 
says Hagelin.

His counsel is not confined to Bush and Blair. At a press conference here, 
Hagelin also 
wanted the Indian government to abandon the Parliament buildings because of 
their 
skewed entrances. Has this come up before?

Closing the south-facing entrances is only a stop-gap measure until properly 
designed 
and oriented offices and residences can be built for Mr Bush, Mr Blair and all 
government 
leaders.

The positive effects of a proper eastern orientation on the brain and 
behaviour are now 
being documented by modern science, says Hagelin. He speaks of recent EEG 
research 
that points to greater efficiency of neuronal functioning when the head is 
oriented towards 
the east, compared to the south.

Says Jonathan Lipman, the chief Vedic architect from the Maharishi stable: 
Beyond beauty 
and engineering, architecture should be able to create influences.

© HT Media Ltd. 2005.  India News

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[FairfieldLife] Devi Bhava incident

2005-08-22 Thread Rick Archer
Post from Amma chat group about attack attempt:

i was there at amritapuri during the incident yesterday. none of the
devotees were aware of what happened as everyone was engrosed in the
bhajans. after bhajans, i met all those who were on the stage trying to
control the intruder. also met the ashramites who took this miscrient 
locked him up in a room. also had a look at the xerox copy of the personal
diary of the intruder. i prefer not to comment on the cirumstances 
material evidences seen. the mind was hardly on the devi bhava. as the
darshan was going on into the night, there was hectic activity within the
Swami's area. i met Arun Kumar (who sustained the stab injury, who also
happens to be a buddy of mine - we're all proud of him!). after receiving
basic first aid, Arun came for Amma's darshan. Amma told him that, he
received what She was supposed to get. how fortunate he was in taking
it...!! Arun who is a householder devotee, who does stage monitoring seva on
thursdays  sundays. his mother also accompanies him whenever he goes to
Amritapuri. right now, he is in AIMS hospital, and is admitted in a room,
thats located close to where my father (who had a surgery 2 days back) is
admitted. i constantly go  meet them to see if they require any assistance.
he's been attending the relentless calls from morning, that by afternoon his
nokia's charge went empty!! i would suggest you guys out there, not to call
him. he needs rest. by Her grac, he's not expiriencing any pain, neither is
there any bleeding. Arun's mother told me how Amma's was crying after seeing
Arun's injury, but she, his biological mother, did not feel any remorse.
Amma is his real mother, she was saying.

have to run now. catch you later.

Lokah Samastah Sukhino Bhavanthu. Aum shanthi shanthi shanthihi. 





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Break the cords

2005-08-22 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The soul that is attached to anything, however much good there
 may be in it, will not arrive at the liberty of divine union.
 For whether it be a strong wire rope or a slender and delicate
 thread that holds the bird, it matters not, if it really holds
 it fast; for until the cord be broken, the bird cannot fly.
  -- Saint John of the Cross

Nice.  And a reminder, from the same author, of how
one *can* fly once one has broken the cord:

The conditions of a solitary bird are five: 
the first, that it flies to the highest point; 
the second, that it does not suffer for company, 
not even of its own kind; 
the third, that it aims its beak to the skies; 
the fourth, that it does not have a definite color; 
the fifth, that it sings very softly.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Prediction: the next MMY pronouncement

2005-08-22 Thread sallysunshine01
Links?


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
 Tell that to the reporters who wrote the articles
 I've seen over the years, in more than one town.
 As I remember, the amounts of the scholarships were 
 pretty low ($1000 or so), to be put in trust for the
 kid until she reached college age.
 




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Prediction: the next MMY pronouncement

2005-08-22 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sallysunshine01 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Links?

Are you kidding?  I can barely remember the *names*
of all the towns I've lived (over 50 at this point),
much less the names of their newspapers, much less
which towns I was in when I saw these things.  You
guys who have more settled lives might be able to
remember such things, but not I.  :-)

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
  Tell that to the reporters who wrote the articles
  I've seen over the years, in more than one town.
  As I remember, the amounts of the scholarships were 
  pretty low ($1000 or so), to be put in trust for the
  kid until she reached college age.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Prediction: the next MMY pronouncement

2005-08-22 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sallysunshine01 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Links?
 
 Are you kidding?  I can barely remember the *names*
 of all the towns I've lived (over 50 at this point),
 much less the names of their newspapers, much less
 which towns I was in when I saw these things.  You
 guys who have more settled lives might be able to
 remember such things, but not I.  :-)

The above is still true, but because this seems to 
mean so much to you, I Googled girl scout cookies 
plus scholarship and got 6690 page hits.  If you
have a serious Need To Know thang going down, you
could do the same thing. 

  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:
   Tell that to the reporters who wrote the articles
   I've seen over the years, in more than one town.
   As I remember, the amounts of the scholarships were 
   pretty low ($1000 or so), to be put in trust for the
   kid until she reached college age.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Prediction: the next MMY pronouncement

2005-08-22 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sallysunshine01 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Links?
  
  Are you kidding?  I can barely remember the *names*
  of all the towns I've lived (over 50 at this point),
  much less the names of their newspapers, much less
  which towns I was in when I saw these things.  You
  guys who have more settled lives might be able to
  remember such things, but not I.  :-)
 
 The above is still true, but because this seems to 
 mean so much to you, I Googled girl scout cookies 
 plus scholarship and got 6690 page hits.  If you
 have a serious Need To Know thang going down, you
 could do the same thing.

Sorry, but I spot-checked, and there wasn't one
college scholarship offered for selling the most
Girl Scout cookies.

The Girl Scouts *do* have scholarship programs, but
they aren't for selling the most cookies; and they're
for a variety of things besides college, including
summer Scout camp tuition or Scout membership fees for
those who can't afford them.

The pages that have the words Girl Scout cookies
and scholarship on them don't necessarily connect
the two, of course.  None of those I checked did, 
in fact.

It's possible your memory has conflated articles
about Girl Scouts getting college scholarships, on
the one hand, and Girl Scouts selling cookies, on
the other.  Or perhaps there were articles that
mentioned both, but again, without connecting the
two.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Prediction: the next MMY pronouncement

2005-08-22 Thread shempmcgurk
Yeah, I want links.

Let's get to the bottom of this horrible Girl Scout cookie controversy.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sallysunshine01 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Links?
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
  Tell that to the reporters who wrote the articles
  I've seen over the years, in more than one town.
  As I remember, the amounts of the scholarships were 
  pretty low ($1000 or so), to be put in trust for the
  kid until she reached college age.
 




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[FairfieldLife] Re: More Indian press on the south-facing factor

2005-08-22 Thread shempmcgurk
Did anyone hear anything resembling the following?

MMY was once asked why with other traditions of spiritual 
architecture (my term) it was okay to have a southern entrance.  
I'm not sure whether the reference was to Feng Shui as I'm not that 
familiar with it but the response was apparently: south is okay for 
an entrance for that tradition because the knowledge for that 
country/nation/culture came from the south.  I presumed that the 
country in question was china and that the knowledge being referred 
to was Buddhism which came to India vis a southern route (east from 
India through Burma and Indo-China and then north to China).

Are my recollections on this correct...anyone heard anything like 
this?




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, george 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hindustan Times
 author: S. Rajagopalan
 Washington, August 21, 2005
 
 http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1468563,00050001.htm
 
 
 South is bad vaastu for both Bush, Blair
 
 
 Just close the White House's south entrance and see the 
difference. That is the advice for 
 US President George W. Bush from John Hagelin, quantum physicist 
from Harvard and a 
 Vedic architecture buff.
 
 For making wiser and more intelligent decisions, Bush should 
start using the north 
 entrance, says Hagelin. He has a similar prescription for Bush's 
comrade-in-arms, Tony 
 Blair: Shut down the south entrance to 10 Downing Street.
 
 This could mean the end of their troubles in Iraq. Nothing seems 
to be working yet. Vaastu 
 may well bring the two leaders some respite.
 
 Vedic architecture, incorporating Vaastu principles, is just about 
catching on in the US — a 
 $ 72-million tower, touted as the world's largest Vedic green 
office building, is now 
 coming up on Washington's outskirts.
 
 Much of the Vaastu propagation is being carried out by Maharishi 
Mahesh Yogi's band of 
 followers like Hagelin, who heads an organisation called the US 
Peace Government.
 
 Nothing good will ever come from the government as long as the 
leaders are living and 
 working in the disorderly influence of improperly designed and 
oriented buildings. The 
 leaders should flee these old buildings as they were hit by an 
earthquake, says Hagelin.
 
 His counsel is not confined to Bush and Blair. At a press 
conference here, Hagelin also 
 wanted the Indian government to abandon the Parliament buildings 
because of their 
 skewed entrances. Has this come up before?
 
 Closing the south-facing entrances is only a stop-gap 
measure until properly designed 
 and oriented offices and residences can be built for Mr Bush, Mr 
Blair and all government 
 leaders.
 
 The positive effects of a proper eastern orientation on the brain 
and behaviour are now 
 being documented by modern science, says Hagelin. He speaks of 
recent EEG research 
 that points to greater efficiency of neuronal functioning when the 
head is oriented towards 
 the east, compared to the south.
 
 Says Jonathan Lipman, the chief Vedic architect from the Maharishi 
stable: Beyond beauty 
 and engineering, architecture should be able to create influences.
 
 © HT Media Ltd. 2005.  India News
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Prediction: the next MMY pronouncement

2005-08-22 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sallysunshine01 
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Links?
   
   Are you kidding?  I can barely remember the *names*
   of all the towns I've lived (over 50 at this point),
   much less the names of their newspapers, much less
   which towns I was in when I saw these things.  You
   guys who have more settled lives might be able to
   remember such things, but not I.  :-)
  
  The above is still true, but because this seems to 
  mean so much to you, I Googled girl scout cookies 
  plus scholarship and got 6690 page hits.  If you
  have a serious Need To Know thang going down, you
  could do the same thing.
 
 Sorry, but I spot-checked, and there wasn't one
 college scholarship offered for selling the most
 Girl Scout cookies.
 
 The Girl Scouts *do* have scholarship programs, but
 they aren't for selling the most cookies; and they're
 for a variety of things besides college, including
 summer Scout camp tuition or Scout membership fees for
 those who can't afford them.
 
 The pages that have the words Girl Scout cookies
 and scholarship on them don't necessarily connect
 the two, of course.  None of those I checked did, 
 in fact.
 
 It's possible your memory has conflated articles
 about Girl Scouts getting college scholarships, on
 the one hand, and Girl Scouts selling cookies, on
 the other.  Or perhaps there were articles that
 mentioned both, but again, without connecting the
 two.

And, given your history of wanting to prove me
wrong, in any circumtance possible, about the
tiniest of tiny nitpicks, it's possible that the 
dozen or so sites you spot checked out of the 
6690 just weren't the right ones.  Get back to 
me after you've checked them all, Ok?  :-)






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Prediction: the next MMY pronouncement

2005-08-22 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 Yeah, I want links.
 
 Let's get to the bottom of this horrible Girl Scout cookie 
 controversy.

The real question about Girl Scout cookies was 
raised in one of the Addams Family movies:
Are they made from real Girl Scouts?  :-)






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[FairfieldLife] Re: More Indian press on the south-facing factor

2005-08-22 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Did anyone hear anything resembling the following?
 
 MMY was once asked why with other traditions of spiritual 
 architecture (my term) it was okay to have a southern entrance.  
 I'm not sure whether the reference was to Feng Shui as I'm not that 
 familiar with it but the response was apparently: south is okay for 
 an entrance for that tradition because the knowledge for that 
 country/nation/culture came from the south.  I presumed that the 
 country in question was china and that the knowledge being referred 
 to was Buddhism which came to India vis a southern route (east from 
 India through Burma and Indo-China and then north to China).
 
 Are my recollections on this correct...anyone heard anything like 
 this?

Not specifically, but yes, the geomancy of feng shui
tends to be very different from MMY's version of 
Sthapatya-Veda, and different again from Western
geomancy and Tibetan Sa-che.  I guess the only way
to really settle things lies in the realm of quantum
physics -- let's generate four *different* Earths,
rebuild them all from top to bottom according th the
theory in question, and see which one turns out to
be the coolest rock to live on.  :-)






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[FairfieldLife] [was Re: Attack on Amma] Peaceful mind

2005-08-22 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, David Fiske 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  
 Attack on India's 'hugging saint'  
  
I was reading these recent posts about Amma, and decided to visit 
her web site. When I did, I came across this prominent quote:
 
Unless we have a certain degree of mastery over the mind, true 
peace is difficult to attain.
-Amma

When I read it, I had the following observation:

There is a direct relationship between identification of the self, 
and mastery over the mind. 

If we identify with the small self, the localized ego, the mastery 
of the mind is unavailable. If we identify with the small self, the 
mind is distracted easily, and will wander irrespective of its 
owner's intention. A relatively large amount of thoughts 
characterize this mind-set, because of the necessity of the small 
ego to constantly substantiate its position in time and space. No 
peace of mind is achieved.

If we identify with the Universal Self, mastery of the mind is much, 
much easier. If we identify with the Universal Self, the mind is 
easily satisfied by the instantly available bottomless depth, and 
infinite breadth of the mind. This creates two symptoms in the mind: 
One, control of the mind is nearly effortless under any 
circumstance. Two, there is a noticeable lessening of thoughts, vs. 
the state of mind identified with small ego. True peace is achieved.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Respecting Maharishi requires absolute belief

2005-08-22 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson 
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snip 
 Good analogies. Although I cannot see that we generally choose to see
 the view as black and white. A new dimension or structure in our
 perception seems to first appear as black and white. With more
 evolution colours come with. Just as we first had black and white
 movies and TV. And it is good to help people with black and white
 views to get in some colours also.
 
 Irmeli

Interesting that there is a direct analogy also to the way color is 
perceived relative to the amount of light available. Red for example 
will be seen as black in low light. Also, at both dawn and dusk, the 
world of sight is rendered in mostly black and white. 

This analogy works with the increase and decrease of light relative to 
time, as when comparing the colors at dawn or dusk with those at 
midday. Oddly, it also works with space: If you move an object like a 
pencil from directly in front of you, to your peripheral vision, it 
will lose its color, and be seen as black and white.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: More Indian press on the south-facing factor

2005-08-22 Thread akasha_108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Did anyone hear anything resembling the following?
  
  MMY was once asked why with other traditions of spiritual 
  architecture (my term) it was okay to have a southern entrance.  
  I'm not sure whether the reference was to Feng Shui as I'm not that 
  familiar with it but the response was apparently: south is okay for 
  an entrance for that tradition because the knowledge for that 
  country/nation/culture came from the south.  I presumed that the 
  country in question was china and that the knowledge being referred 
  to was Buddhism which came to India vis a southern route (east from 
  India through Burma and Indo-China and then north to China).
  
  Are my recollections on this correct...anyone heard anything like 
  this?


Ok, just for fun, and momentarily disregarding any exploitive aspects
of the migrations, look at at various immigrant groups and their
entrance to the US, and how, as a whole, the group has fared.

Anglo-Saxon types, continental europeans entered East, via Ellis
Island or East Coast. Generally did well.

Hispanics from Mexico and South America, entering from the South have
not historically done so well.

Blacks, via forced migration, aka slavery, often entered from the
South, via Cuba and Carribean slave trading / holding centers, or via
major river ports, e.g., New Orleans and Mississippi gateway.
Historically have not done so well.

Asian immigrants entering from the West. Have done OK, better than
those entering from the South. 

Multi-stop immigrants, migrating to Canada, then entering US from the
North, have done pretty well, as have long-resident Canadians.


And one of the largest current terrorist threats are terrorists
entering the US via the Southern borders, within groups of illegal
hispanic entrants. 












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[FairfieldLife] Re: Prediction: the next MMY pronouncement

2005-08-22 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sallysunshine01 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Links?

Are you kidding?  I can barely remember the *names*
of all the towns I've lived (over 50 at this point),
much less the names of their newspapers, much less
which towns I was in when I saw these things.  You
guys who have more settled lives might be able to
remember such things, but not I.  :-)
   
   The above is still true, but because this seems to 
   mean so much to you, I Googled girl scout cookies 
   plus scholarship and got 6690 page hits.  If you
   have a serious Need To Know thang going down, you
   could do the same thing.
  
  Sorry, but I spot-checked, and there wasn't one
  college scholarship offered for selling the most
  Girl Scout cookies.
  
  The Girl Scouts *do* have scholarship programs, but
  they aren't for selling the most cookies; and they're
  for a variety of things besides college, including
  summer Scout camp tuition or Scout membership fees for
  those who can't afford them.
  
  The pages that have the words Girl Scout cookies
  and scholarship on them don't necessarily connect
  the two, of course.  None of those I checked did, 
  in fact.
  
  It's possible your memory has conflated articles
  about Girl Scouts getting college scholarships, on
  the one hand, and Girl Scouts selling cookies, on
  the other.  Or perhaps there were articles that
  mentioned both, but again, without connecting the
  two.
 
 And, given your history of wanting to prove me
 wrong, in any circumtance possible, about the
 tiniest of tiny nitpicks, it's possible that the 
 dozen or so sites you spot checked out of the 
 6690 just weren't the right ones.  Get back to 
 me after you've checked them all, Ok?  :-)

Actually, no, you made the claim, then supplied
the purported documentation as proof of that
claim, so you get to find the right ones if
you want them found.

You should have simply stuck with saying what you
remembered instead of citing a misleading Google
search as though it validated your memory.  You've
done enough Google searches to know they don't
always turn up what you think they're going to 
turn up.

The idea that a search on Girl Scout cookies plus
scholarship would yield only items about college
scholarships awarded for selling the most Girl Scout
cookies was absurd on its face, and you knew that.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Prediction: the next MMY pronouncement

2005-08-22 Thread Jeff Fischer
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 And, given your history of wanting to prove me
 wrong, in any circumtance possible, about the
 tiniest of tiny nitpicks, it's possible that the 
 dozen or so sites you spot checked out of the 
 6690 just weren't the right ones.  Get back to 
 me after you've checked them all, Ok?  :-)

Unc, you might want to choose from the following Yogi Berra quotes:

I wish I had an answer to that because I'm tired of answering that 
question.

I never said most of the things I said.

Half the lies they tell about me aren't true.




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[FairfieldLife] Memory (was Re: Prediction: the next MMY pronouncement)

2005-08-22 Thread akasha_108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sallysunshine01 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Links?
 
 Are you kidding?  I can barely remember the *names*
 of all the towns I've lived (over 50 at this point),
 much less the names of their newspapers, much less
 which towns I was in when I saw these things.  You
 guys who have more settled lives might be able to
 remember such things, but not I.  :-)
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:
   Tell that to the reporters who wrote the articles
   I've seen over the years, in more than one town.
   As I remember, the amounts of the scholarships were 
   pretty low ($1000 or so), to be put in trust for the
   kid until she reached college age.

Or maybe those of us who have lived in 50 places (hell I almost did
that in just my 20's) and do remember details are / did (take your pick):

a) younger at heart,
b) blew less memory circuits via 
i) (lots of) sex ( MMY when repeatedly pressed about why celibacy
said my memory is not foggy)
ii) (lots of) drugs
iii) (lots of ) rock and roll
c) better genes
d) better jeans
e) are faking the details
f) are remember details, but the wrong details (about other things)
g) takes lots of choline
h) are obviously more spiritually evolved
i are obviously more attached (line on stone)
j) did more rounding (but neck still snaps 90 degrees, occaisionally)
k) did less far out and cool things in each location and thus have
less to remember
l) have less alzheimic plaque building up
m) had memory curcuits cleared during the abduction
n) listen to more grateful dead
o) listen to less grateful dead
p) went to a better university
q) have read FFL longer / shorter
r) can't just live in the NOW
s) live in east facing residence
t) take mercury rasayanas
u) sold their soul
v) do lots of memory type work
w) have good ritam
x) used Dr Bronner's soap  
y) wore earth shoes
z) used that green swiss soap in the yellow plactic bottles












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[FairfieldLife] Re: Prediction: the next MMY pronouncement

2005-08-22 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sallysunshine01 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Links?

Are you kidding?  I can barely remember the *names*
of all the towns I've lived (over 50 at this point),
much less the names of their newspapers, much less
which towns I was in when I saw these things.  You
guys who have more settled lives might be able to
remember such things, but not I.  :-)
   
   The above is still true, but because this seems to 
   mean so much to you, I Googled girl scout cookies 
   plus scholarship and got 6690 page hits.  If you
   have a serious Need To Know thang going down, you
   could do the same thing.
  
  Sorry, but I spot-checked, and there wasn't one
  college scholarship offered for selling the most
  Girl Scout cookies.
  
  The Girl Scouts *do* have scholarship programs, but
  they aren't for selling the most cookies; and they're
  for a variety of things besides college, including
  summer Scout camp tuition or Scout membership fees for
  those who can't afford them.
  
  The pages that have the words Girl Scout cookies
  and scholarship on them don't necessarily connect
  the two, of course.  None of those I checked did, 
  in fact.
  
  It's possible your memory has conflated articles
  about Girl Scouts getting college scholarships, on
  the one hand, and Girl Scouts selling cookies, on
  the other.  Or perhaps there were articles that
  mentioned both, but again, without connecting the
  two.
 
 And, given your history of wanting to prove me
 wrong, in any circumtance possible, about the
 tiniest of tiny nitpicks, it's possible that the 
 dozen or so sites you spot checked out of the 
 6690 just weren't the right ones.  Get back to 
 me after you've checked them all, Ok?  :-)


Ha Ha Ha Ha!

And only come back here once you'd read all 6690 of them -- twice -- 
and done a 3,000 word book report on each.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: More Indian press on the south-facing factor

2005-08-22 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Did anyone hear anything resembling the following?
   
   MMY was once asked why with other traditions of spiritual 
   architecture (my term) it was okay to have a southern 
entrance.  
   I'm not sure whether the reference was to Feng Shui as I'm not 
that 
   familiar with it but the response was apparently: south is 
okay for 
   an entrance for that tradition because the knowledge for that 
   country/nation/culture came from the south.  I presumed that 
the 
   country in question was china and that the knowledge being 
referred 
   to was Buddhism which came to India vis a southern route (east 
from 
   India through Burma and Indo-China and then north to China).
   
   Are my recollections on this correct...anyone heard anything 
like 
   this?
 
 
 Ok, just for fun, and momentarily disregarding any exploitive 
aspects
 of the migrations, look at at various immigrant groups and their
 entrance to the US, and how, as a whole, the group has fared.
 
 Anglo-Saxon types, continental europeans entered East, via Ellis
 Island or East Coast. Generally did well.
 
 Hispanics from Mexico and South America, entering from the South 
have
 not historically done so well.
 
 Blacks, via forced migration, aka slavery, often entered from the
 South, via Cuba and Carribean slave trading / holding centers, or 
via
 major river ports, e.g., New Orleans and Mississippi gateway.
 Historically have not done so well.
 
 Asian immigrants entering from the West. Have done OK, better than
 those entering from the South. 
 
 Multi-stop immigrants, migrating to Canada, then entering US from 
the
 North, have done pretty well, as have long-resident Canadians.
 
 
 And one of the largest current terrorist threats are terrorists
 entering the US via the Southern borders, within groups of illegal
 hispanic entrants.


...and, of course, there was Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, who, if I 
remember my Mother-Olsen 101 Hermit in the House information 
correctly, entered the U.S. from the West.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Prediction: the next MMY pronouncement

2005-08-22 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
   wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
   wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sallysunshine01 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Links?
 
 Are you kidding?  I can barely remember the *names*
 of all the towns I've lived (over 50 at this point),
 much less the names of their newspapers, much less
 which towns I was in when I saw these things.  You
 guys who have more settled lives might be able to
 remember such things, but not I.  :-)

The above is still true, but because this seems to 
mean so much to you, I Googled girl scout cookies 
plus scholarship and got 6690 page hits.  If you
have a serious Need To Know thang going down, you
could do the same thing.
   
   Sorry, but I spot-checked, and there wasn't one
   college scholarship offered for selling the most
   Girl Scout cookies.
   
   The Girl Scouts *do* have scholarship programs, but
   they aren't for selling the most cookies; and they're
   for a variety of things besides college, including
   summer Scout camp tuition or Scout membership fees for
   those who can't afford them.
   
   The pages that have the words Girl Scout cookies
   and scholarship on them don't necessarily connect
   the two, of course.  None of those I checked did, 
   in fact.
   
   It's possible your memory has conflated articles
   about Girl Scouts getting college scholarships, on
   the one hand, and Girl Scouts selling cookies, on
   the other.  Or perhaps there were articles that
   mentioned both, but again, without connecting the
   two.
  
  And, given your history of wanting to prove me
  wrong, in any circumtance possible, about the
  tiniest of tiny nitpicks, it's possible that the 
  dozen or so sites you spot checked out of the 
  6690 just weren't the right ones.  Get back to 
  me after you've checked them all, Ok?  :-)
 
 Actually, no, you made the claim, then supplied
 the purported documentation as proof of that
 claim, so you get to find the right ones if
 you want them found.
 
 You should have simply stuck with saying what you
 remembered instead of citing a misleading Google
 search as though it validated your memory.  You've
 done enough Google searches to know they don't
 always turn up what you think they're going to 
 turn up.
 
 The idea that a search on Girl Scout cookies plus
 scholarship would yield only items about college
 scholarships awarded for selling the most Girl Scout
 cookies was absurd on its face, and you knew that.


Judy, you forgot the but of course as in but of course you knew 
that.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Prediction: the next MMY pronouncement

2005-08-22 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 on 8/22/05 3:51 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  The idea that a search on Girl Scout cookies plus
  scholarship would yield only items about college
  scholarships awarded for selling the most Girl Scout
  cookies was absurd on its face, and you knew that.
  
  
  Judy, you forgot the but of course as in but of course you 
knew
  that.
  
 Should I add Girl Scout Cookies to the site description as one 
of the
 things we've discussed recently? I got a chuckle over the fact 
that Barry
 and Judy managed to get into an argument over them.


They'll argue over whether the sky is blue if you give them the 
opportunity.

They are the quintessential you say tomato I say to-mah-to 
couple...




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Gravity refuted!

2005-08-22 Thread Rory Goff
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 Ah, but if God is well read, and has delved into the
 Heisenberg Principle, He'd know that to observe is to
 influence, so out of fairness He wouldn't be watching.  :-)

Ah, but if S/H/We weren't watching, nothing would happen :-)





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[FairfieldLife] MP Uniyal

2005-08-22 Thread m2smart4u2000
Can anyone relate their experience with this jyotishee?
Have you had good results from your yagyas?





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Gravity refuted!

2005-08-22 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, qntmpkt [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
  [...]
The average physicist today would say that there is no such 
 entity, 
   nor can there be. Basically, predicting the future with 100% 
   precision is out of the question.
  
  All knowing may not be the same as predicting the future.
  
  Think of God as the observer-state of the universe.
  
  All POSSIBLE universes.
 
 Ah, but if God is well read, and has delved into the
 Heisenberg Principle, He'd know that to observe is to
 influence, so out of fairness He wouldn't be watching.  :-)

What, you think God watches Star Trek and has adopted the Prime 
Directive???





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Prediction: the next MMY pronouncement

2005-08-22 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
  Should I add Girl Scout Cookies to the site description as one 
 of the
  things we've discussed recently? I got a chuckle over the fact 
 that Barry
  and Judy managed to get into an argument over them.
 
 
 They'll argue over whether the sky is blue if you give them the 
 opportunity.
 
 They are the quintessential you say tomato I say to-mah-to 
 couple...

You're not very observant.

To start with, I corrected Barry on a minor factual
point, which he was, wisely, willing to concede.  No
argument there.

But then someone *else* challenged him to provide
links to the newspaper stories he claims to remember,
and anxious to defend his honor, he trotted out a lame
Google search as evidence.

I pointed out that the search didn't show what he
claimed it showed--and he attacked me for doing so.

If you look, you might find that an awful lot of
our arguments are started by Barry, not by me.

As I said, he should have stuck with what he
remembered.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Prediction: the next MMY pronouncement

2005-08-22 Thread sallysunshine01
Adn given your history of wanting to personalize everything, it's not surprsing 
your would 
respond defensively. I checked out several sites also. Not one had any 
scholarship based 
on selling cookies.  

It's up to you to prove your assertion, not someone else.  Either your memories 
are faulty 
or , more likely, the articles don't exist.

Sal


 
 And, given your history of wanting to prove me
 wrong, in any circumtance possible, about the
 tiniest of tiny nitpicks, it's possible that the 
 dozen or so sites you spot checked out of the 
 6690 just weren't the right ones.  Get back to 
 me after you've checked them all, Ok?  :-)




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Prediction: the next MMY pronouncement

2005-08-22 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 snip
   Should I add Girl Scout Cookies to the site description as 
one 
  of the
   things we've discussed recently? I got a chuckle over the fact 
  that Barry
   and Judy managed to get into an argument over them.
  
  
  They'll argue over whether the sky is blue if you give them the 
  opportunity.
  
  They are the quintessential you say tomato I say to-mah-to 
  couple...
 
 You're not very observant.
 
 To start with, I corrected Barry on a minor factual
 point, which he was, wisely, willing to concede.  No
 argument there.
 
 But then someone *else* challenged him to provide
 links to the newspaper stories he claims to remember,
 and anxious to defend his honor, he trotted out a lame
 Google search as evidence.
 
 I pointed out that the search didn't show what he
 claimed it showed--and he attacked me for doing so.


Why point out anything at this point, then, if you don't want to be 
at his alleged low level of existence?  What prompts you to get 
involved?  Don't you have better things to do with your time?

Go to the boardwalk (aren't you in Atlantic City?).  Go to one of 
the casinos and give Mr. Trump some of your money or something.


 
 If you look, you might find that an awful lot of
 our arguments are started by Barry, not by me.



For God's sake, woman, we're talking about GIRL SCOUT COOKIES

Get a life...



 
 As I said, he should have stuck with what he
 remembered.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Prediction: the next MMY pronouncement

2005-08-22 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  snip
Should I add Girl Scout Cookies to the site description as 
 one 
   of the
things we've discussed recently? I got a chuckle over the 
fact 
   that Barry
and Judy managed to get into an argument over them.
   
   They'll argue over whether the sky is blue if you give them the 
   opportunity.
   
   They are the quintessential you say tomato I say to-mah-to 
   couple...
  
  You're not very observant.
  
  To start with, I corrected Barry on a minor factual
  point, which he was, wisely, willing to concede.  No
  argument there.
  
  But then someone *else* challenged him to provide
  links to the newspaper stories he claims to remember,
  and anxious to defend his honor, he trotted out a lame
  Google search as evidence.
  
  I pointed out that the search didn't show what he
  claimed it showed--and he attacked me for doing so.
 
 Why point out anything at this point, then, if you don't want to be 
 at his alleged low level of existence?  What prompts you to get 
 involved?

Huh?

I like facts.  Live with it.

(As much as it may be contrary to your--and
Barry's--inclinations.)

 Don't you have better things to do with your time?

Not in the five-minute increments I have for taking
breaks while I'm working.

 Go to the boardwalk (aren't you in Atlantic City?).

No, I'm not in Atlantic City.

  Go to one of 
 the casinos and give Mr. Trump some of your money or something.

  If you look, you might find that an awful lot of
  our arguments are started by Barry, not by me.
 
 For God's sake, woman, we're talking about GIRL SCOUT COOKIES

Non sequitur.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Gravity refuted!

2005-08-22 Thread jim_flanegin
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  Ah, but if God is well read, and has delved into the
  Heisenberg Principle, He'd know that to observe is to
  influence, so out of fairness He wouldn't be watching.  :-)
 
 Ah, but if S/H/We weren't watching, nothing would happen :-)

And someone, even in the darkest stillest most abstract unformed 
nothingness, is always watching 




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[FairfieldLife] 'Peace at a Price'- Article in Oregon Newspaper.

2005-08-22 Thread Robert Gimbel
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[FairfieldLife] Copied- 'Post of Oregon Article'(Link not working)

2005-08-22 Thread Robert Gimbel


Peace at a price

Transcendental Mediation is hailed by some as life changing, but 
others warn those interested to give it some thought

BY PARKER HOWELL
Statesman Journal 

August 22, 2005

People in Salem who feel unfulfilled, stressed and ineffective have 
another way to seek relief -- one that is said to help you and the 
world, but those with big promises comes a hefty price tag.

Learning TM only requires seven classes and about eight hours, but 
it costs $2,500.

Local Transcendental Meditation teacher Dave Price touts TM as a 
technique that benefits physical health and makes life easier.

Many TM teachers and students claim the technique has changed their 
lives, yet some scientists, scholars and former TM practitioners 
criticize TM as a deceitful money-making scam.

TM 101

Founded by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, famed guru for The Beatles during 
the 1960s, the movement began as an outgrowth of Hinduism in India 
during the late 1950s.

More than 6 million people have learned TM worldwide, according to 
the organization's Web site.

Called a mental technique by proponents, TM is billed by some as 
the single most effective meditation technique available to gain 
mental and physical benefits and to attain inner happiness and 
fulfillment.

Proponents say it's different from other forms of meditation because 
the participant's mind is supposed to transcend physical boundaries 
to join a universal creative force.

TM recently gained more attention because avant-garde filmmaker 
David Lynch wants to raise about $7 billion to teach TM to any child 
in America who wants to learn it.

Beginning TM practitioners meditate for about 20 minutes twice daily 
while seated with their eyes closed.

TM is not sleeping but a state of very quiet and very, very awake 
thinking, Price said. It's an easy process, he said.

If you can think a thought, you can meditate, he said.

To rid themselves of conscious thought and connect with pure 
awareness, TM meditators

repeat a mantra -- a syllabic sound assigned to them by a TM teacher 
based on their age when they started learning the technique.

Price said reaching this level of pure awareness allows the 
meditator access to greater creativity and increases his or her 
preparedness for mental or physical activities.

As people progress in TM, they meditate for longer periods. Price 
meditates for about eight hours a day and said he finds the process 
enjoyable.

Intended effects of TM

The body settles into a deep state of relaxation during TM 
mediation, lowering blood pressure and providing other health 
benefits, according to TM literature.

After meditating, people experience tremendous alertness, Price said.

Dan Dingle of Salem said he learned TM in high school during the 
1970s to improve his grades. Dingle, who enjoys rock climbing, said 
TM helps calm his mind so he can climb safely.

It really did work, he said. It's the main thing that keeps my 
mind together when I'm climbing.

Dingle said TM also helps him in other ways.

It gives one practice in how to have peace of mind and not get all 
stressed out and caught up in stressful events, he said.

Dingle, who lived in India and has studied other forms of 
meditation, said TM is different because it simplifies meditation.

I can really say that one of the things that distinguishes 
Maharishi's teaching is he's made it so simple, Dingle said. He's 
really distilled the essence of esoteric Eastern techniques and made 
it commonly, readily available for people.

Patti Steurer, a TM teacher from Lake Oswego, learned TM in college 
after a student said it was the secret to his academic success.

There was something more in me, and I didn't know how to unlock 
it, she said.

Spreading peace

Beyond the benefits advocates say TM provides, they also claim TM 
promotes peace by tapping into the consciousness that all humans 
share and broadcasting a positive influence.

During intense group TM sessions, people practice yogic flying, a 
controversial technique in which TM practitioners sit cross-legged 
on foam pads and say they levitate.

Maharishi has promoted TM as the solution to terrorism and as the 
means to world peace.

Practicing TM in Salem would affect the Oregon Legislature by making 
government officials more amicable, Price said.

TM controversy

Criticism of TM arises over its cost, its difference from other 
forms of meditation and its status as a religion.

Consumers should be aware that TM is a kind of high-priced 
commodity and there are alternatives, said Professor Barry 
Markovsky, chairman of the Department of Sociology at the University 
of South Carolina.

Research comparing the benefits of TM with other forms of meditation 
shows that though TM charges more for classes and services than 
other types of meditation, it offers no special benefits, he said.

But Steurer said the cost of learning TM is justified, saying 
Westerners are willing to pay $4,000 for a plasma television but not 

[FairfieldLife] 'Maharishi Article/India Newspaper'

2005-08-22 Thread Robert Gimbel



Mahesh Yogi, 95, disgusted with UKBy: Khalid A-H Ansari August 22, 2005 



















Maharishi Mahesh Yogi in his headquarters at Vlodrop Roerdalen in the NetherlandsPic: The GuardianLondon: His devotees call him “His Holiness”, his detractors “the giggling guru”, because of his habit of laughing at press conferences.Ninety-five year old guru Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, founder of transcendental meditation (TM), a yogic philosophy that spread like wildfire across the world after the Beatles embraced it some 40 years ago, is sick up to his gills with Britain.The maharishi is disgusted at Tony Blair’s support for the Iraq war and at the British electorate’s failure to throw out the PM. He says there is no point continuing to waste the “beautiful nectar” of TM on a “scorpion nation”. Last week, the Maharishi, speaking at one of his regular broadcasts on a private satellite channel from his monastery in Vlodrop in the Netherlands,
 called upon his followers in Britain to stop teaching meditation and levitation, the yogic effect or flying to a higher plane. “The good effects of transcendental meditation — increased creativity and long life — should not be given to a dangerous country that is constantly busy destroying the world,” the guru advised.“TM is a gift from me to those who want to create peace and harmony in the world.”However, he has exhorted his followers at Skelmersdale in Lancashire (UK), to beam peace-loving thoughts to the British electorate with the objective of unseating the Labour government.The maharishi’s disillusionment with the British government pre-date the 7/7 and 20/7 bombings stems out of the failure of his thought experiment, expressed through the Natural Law Party, that fielded 300 candidates in the 1992 general election to win support for his “age of enlightenment.”Beatle George Harrison launched the party’s campaign at a benefit concert at
 London’s Royal Albert Hall, but all candidates lost their deposits. Last year, the maharishi initiated a similar thought experiment in the US with the aim of defeating George W Bush, as a protest against his war on Iraq.Since last year, the maharishi has been dispatching yogic “flyers” to India, the US, China and Brazil in an attempt to foster global peace by building what he terms “a coherent world philosophy.”The maharishi’s decision to withdraw from Britain has disappointed and divided his followers.“It has had quite a deep impact on our organisation,” says Geoffrey Clements, who chairs the maharishi’s UK charity and was a Natural Law Party candidate.“But the maharishi explained to us that the poison in this country was so concentrated that he felt it was no use our continuing to nurture creativity and intelligence here.”Instead, says Clements, teachers of TM and the maharishi’s more advanced TM-Sidhi programme, in which devotees
 learn yoga to “levitate”, were being encouraged to teach in South Africa and at the Maharishi University in Fairfield, Iowa, USA, an impressive campus built on Vedic architectural principles, where around 2,000 TM practitioners are housed.Transcendental meditation is a set of human meditation techniques, which supposedly bring practitioners to a higher state of consciousness characterised as “enlightenment” or “bliss.” The method involves reciting a mantra, a secret _expression_ unique to each practitioner.Whereas, it is now generally accepted that meditating twice a day can reduce stress and lower blood pressure, detractors aver that the maharishi’s claims that TM can cure cancer and prolong life spans do not stand up to medical scrutiny.Cynics also point out that television clips show that advanced TM practitioners, apparently hovering off the ground while sitting in the lotus position, actually hop, not fly.Nor do they accept his belief that a small
 group of his yogic “flying” disciples, through concentrated meditation, can effect major changes in society via a phenomenon he calls the “maharishi effect.” They also maintain that the fee of around £1,300 (approx Rs 1.20 lakh) for a standard TM introduction course and more for the advanced TM-Sidhi programme, are exorbitant.More than five million people around the world (around 2,00,000 in the UK) are said to have learnt TM since it was founded in 1957. The two best known British votaries of TM are former Conservative party leader William Hague and industrialist and broadcaster Sir John Harvey-Jones. The latter says TM has made him a better person to live with.The Beatles song, Sexy Sadie, written by John Lennon, is said to have been originally called, Maharishi, Maharishi, what have you done? (Sexy Sadie what have you done/You made a fool of everyone) after the Beatle was disillusioned with reports that the maharishi had allegedly made a pass at
 actress Mia Farrow at his Indian ashram. The title was later changed at George Harrison’s insistence.More than 1,500 followers of the maharishi are said to have met in Holland early this month to celebrate the 

Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Peace at a Price'- Article in Oregon Newspaper.

2005-08-22 Thread Rick Archer
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[FairfieldLife] Indian Biotech boom, with Mahabharat rider

2005-08-22 Thread Vaj
Title: Indian Biotech boom, with Mahabharat rider






Biotech boom, with Mahabharat rider

London, Aug. 21: In 2001, President Bush curbed funding of stem cell research. The decision  shaped at least partly by the Republican Partys evangelical Christian base  provoked joy in India. It was felt that US qualms about stem cell research could open a huge opportunity.

Just four years later, this wish has come true.

According to Ernst  Youngs Global Biotechnology Report in 2004, Indian biotech firms are expected to grow ten-fold in the next five years, creating more than a million jobs.

With more than 10,000 highly trained and cheaply available scientists, India is one of the leading biotech powers along with South Korea, Singapore, China, Japan, Sweden, Britain and Israel.

The Reliance group owns Reliance Life Sciences, which is trying to devise new treatments for diabetes as well as Parkinsons and Alzheimers diseases, and create human skin, blood and replacement organs genetically matched to their recipients. Some researchers have even more ambitious ideas: they plan to clone the endangered species of Indian lions and cheetahs.

US scientists and businessmen note enviously that religious and moral considerations do not seem to inhibit Indian biotechnologists. But this indifference to ethical issues would have certainly appalled Gandhi. 

The Mahatma accused Western medicine, and much of modern science and technology, of inflicting violence on human nature. His vegetarianism and belief in non-violence were derived from Indian traditions, mainly Hinduism.

Indeed, most evangelical Christians, who believe that the embryo is a person, may find more support in Hindu texts than in the Bible. 

Many Hindus see the soul  atman  as the spiritual and imperishable component of human personality. After death destroys the body, the soul soon finds a new temporal home. Thus, for Hindus and Catholics, life begins at conception.

Ayurveda assumes foetuses are alive and conscious when it prescribes a particular mental and spiritual regimen to pregnant women. The same assumption is implicit in the Mahabharat. 

In one of its stories, Arjuna describes to his pregnant wife Subhadra a seven-stage military strategy. His yet- to-be-born son Abhimanyu is listening, too. As Arjuna describes the last stage, Subhadra falls asleep. Years later, fighting the Kauravas, Abhimanyu uses well the military training he has learned in his mothers womb, until the seventh stage, where he falters and is killed.

But Hinduism is less monolithic than Islam and Christianity; it can yield contradictory arguments.

The Mahabharat has a story about how the 100 Kauravas came into being. Their mother Gandhari had produced a mass of flesh after two years of pregnancy. But then a sage divided the flesh into 100 parts, which were treated with herbs and ghee, and kept in pots for two years from which the Kauravas emerged.

Indian backers of stem cell research often offer this story as an early instance of human cloning through stem cells extracted from embryos.

But spiritual tradition cannot solve all the ethical issues raised by sciences progress. Ultrasound scans help many Indian women to abort female foetuses. The trade in human organs, especially kidneys, remains big business. 

As stem cell research grows in India, and remains unregulated, a small industry devoted to the creation of human embryos might soon develop.

Stem cell research is also expensive. The advanced treatments promised by biotechnology are likely to benefit the rich, at least for the first few years.

In the meantime, the poor may be asked to offer themselves as guinea pigs. 

Last year, a magazine article asserted: India has another gold mine  the worlds largest population of naive sick patients, on whom no medicine has ever been tried. Indias distinct communities and large families are ideal subjects for genetic and clinical research.
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[FairfieldLife] The Conference on Spiritual Activism

2005-08-22 Thread Rick Archer
AMAZING GRACE
By Rabbi Michael Lerner
July 29, 2005

Dear Friend of Tikkun,

It's impossible to replicate for you the level of excitement and energy that
almost everyone experienced at the Conference on Spiritual Activism in
Berkeley, these past few days, the first stage in a two year process of
launching the Network of Spiritual Progressives
http://www.spiritualprogressives.org/.

There were over 1,300 people experiencing what could only be called
spiritual elation. First, there were the incredible speakers, some 108 of
them, representing some of the most advanced thinking in Christian, Jewish,
Islamic, Buddhist, and spiritual but not religious thought. There were
small groups of ten which met every day for the four days of the conference,
so that people got to know others in a much more intimate way than often
happens when things get this big. There was music ranging from Holly Near
(surprise guest appearance at the last minute) to the wonderful Vocolot to
Christian gospel to the melodies of Jewish Hasidism. Over forty workshops
and ongoing workgroups that produced some valuable material for a future
platform which will be finalized in 2007.

But what was equally moving was the quality of attendees.

Priests of the Catholic church and the Buddhist faith, ministers of many of
the denominations of Protestantism, orthodox Jews wearing their tzitzit out,
Reform and Reconstructionist and Renewal and Conservative Jews who packed
the Shabbat services and Torah study with Rabbi Lerner and Sylvia Boorstein,
Muslims who challenged the distortion of Islam by terrorists and who
embodied a path of gentleness and non-violence, Palestinians and Israelis
seeking reconciliation, and even representatives from Italy, England and
Australia. There were some world-famous scientists seeking a fruitful
dialogue with people of faith, lawyers and doctors and educators seeking
changes in their professions to make them more consonant with our proposed
New Bottom Line, economists who understood the need to revise their
professsion's vision of efficiency and rationality, and activists of almost
every possible contemporary stripe. What amazed everyone was the level of
kindness, generosity and open-heatedness toward each other that the
participants frequently showed (not every second, to be sure, but mostly and
enough so that it shaped the gathering and made people feel very safe, and
hence created an atmosphere in which people were willing to explore ideas
were new and sometimes challenging to their established ways of thinking
about the world, a challenge that comes up the moment people really get what
the politics of meaning is that we've been expounding in Tikkun these past
nineteen years). No where was that more impressive than in the respect
religious people and spiritual but NOT religious people showed each other,
neither group seeking to convert or demean the other, but instead showing
genuine curiosity and mutual respect.

This, of course, is only the first step. We urge you to join as dues paying
members the Network of Spiritual Progressives and to become involved with us
in building this venture.

Please read the article by Van Jones, a powerful voice for justice for
incarcerated young African Americans, as he tells why he feels so supportive
of what we are trying to do (read it at www.tikkun.org).

Also, please go to www.tikkun.org for Frequently Asked Questions about the
Network of Spiritual Progressives and for more info on the basic conception
of the Network, and read our Core Vision.

One final point: while the Bay Area and Sacramento newspapers gave this full
coverage, and Fox News nationally did a story about it (because the Right
wing media takes religion seriously), the rest of the media blocked it out.
This was the largest gathering of a Spiritual Left to ever occur in American
history, and it was not reported. So no wonder most Americans equate
religious and spiritual concerns with the Right when the media simply
ignores this kind event...

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[FairfieldLife] In Search of the Spiritual

2005-08-22 Thread Rick Archer
IN SEARCH OF THE SPIRITUAL
By Jerry Adler
With Anne Underwood, Ben Whitford, Juliet Chung, Vanessa Juarez, Dan Berrett
and Lorraine Ali
Newsweek
August 29 - Sept. 5, 2005 Issue

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9024914/site/newsweek/

Move over, politics. Americans are looking for personal, ecstatic
experiences of God, and, according to our poll, they don't much care what
the neighbors are doing.



The 1960s did not penetrate very deeply into the small towns of the Quaboag
Valley of central Massachusetts. Even so, Father Thomas Keating, the abbot
of St. Joseph's Abbey, couldn't help noticing the attraction that the exotic
religious practices of the East held for many young Roman Catholics. To him,
as a Trappist monk, meditation was second nature. He invited the great Zen
master Roshi Sasaki to lead retreats at the abbey. And surely, he thought,
there must be a precedent within the church for making such simple but
powerful spiritual techniques available to laypeople. His Trappist brother
Father William Meninger found it in one day in 1974, in a dusty copy of a
14th-century guide to contemplative meditation, The Cloud of Unknowing.
Drawing on that work, as well as the writings of the contemplatives Saint
John of the Cross and Saint Teresa of Avila, the two monks began teaching a
form of Christian meditation that grew into the worldwide phenomenon known
as centering prayer. Twice a day for 20 minutes, practitioners find a quiet
place to sit with their eyes closed and surrender their minds to God. In
more than a dozen books and in speeches and retreats that have attracted
tens of thousands, Keating has spread the word to a world of hungry people,
looking for a deeper relationship with God.

For most of history, that's exactly what most people have been looking for.
But only a generation ago it appeared from some vantage points, such as
midtown Manhattan, that Americans were on their way to turning their backs
on God. In sepulchral black and red, the cover of Time magazine dated April
8, 1966 -- Good Friday -- introduced millions of readers to existential
anguish with the question Is God Dead? If he was, the likely culprit was
science, whose triumph was deemed so complete that what cannot be known [by
scientific methods] seems uninteresting, unreal. Nobody would write such an
article now, in an era of round-the-clock televangelism and official
presidential displays of Christian piety. Even more remarkable today is the
article's obsession with the experience of a handful of the most prestigious
Protestant denominations. No one looked for God in the Pentecostal churches
of East Los Angeles or among the backwoods Baptists of Arkansas. Muslims
earned no notice, nor did American Hindus or Buddhists, except for a passage
that raised the alarming prospect of seekers' desperately turning to
psychiatry, Zen or drugs.


History records that the vanguard of angst-ridden intellectuals in Time,
struggling to imagine God as a cloud of gas in the far reaches of the
galaxy, never did sweep the nation. What was dying in 1966 was a
well-meaning but arid theology born of rationalism: a wavering trumpet call
for ethical behavior, a search for meaning in a letter to the editor in
favor of civil rights. What would be born in its stead, in a cycle of
renewal that has played itself out many times since the Temple of Solomon,
was a passion for an immediate, transcendent experience of God. And a
uniquely American acceptance of the amazingly diverse paths people have
taken to find it. NEWSWEEK set out to map this new topography of faith,
visiting storefront churches in Brooklyn and mosques in Los Angeles, an
environmental Christian activist in West Virginia and a Catholic college in
Ohio -- talking to Americans of all creeds, and none, about their spiritual
journeys. A major poll, commissioned jointly with Beliefnet.com,
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9014628/site/newsweek/ reveals a breadth of
tolerance and curiosity virtually across the religious spectrum. And
everywhere we looked, a flowering of spirituality: in the hollering,
swooning, foot-stomping services of the new wave of Pentecostals; in
Catholic churches where worshipers pass the small hours of the night alone
contemplating the eucharist, and among Jews who are seeking God in the
mystical thickets of Kabbalah. Also, in the rebirth of Pagan religions that
look for God in the wonders of the natural world; in Zen and innumerable
other threads of Buddhism, whose followers seek enlightenment through
meditation and prayer, and in the efforts of American Muslims to achieve a
more God-centered Islam. And, for that matter, at the Church of the Holy
Communion, described by the Rev. Gary Jones as a proper Episcopal church in
one of the wealthiest parts of Memphis, where increasingly personal
experience is at the heart of much of what we do. A few years ago Jones
added a Sunday-evening service that has evolved into a blend of Celtic
evensong with communion. Congregants were invited