[FairfieldLife] New Artilce- David Lynch- Link included- good one!! funny

2005-10-03 Thread Ron F
http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/living/education/12793022.htm

Posted on Sun, Oct. 02, 2005

David Lynch wants everyone to ... relax

He says TM helped him.
By Amy S. Rosenberg
Inquirer Staff Writer


Here's a quiz. To get in a David Lynch frame of mind, a David Lynch kind of 
head, do
you:

A. Drive around a small town with strains of the Blue Velvet movie soundtrack
playing in the background, thinking dark, creepy thoughts about undulating 
folds and
the underbelly of small-town life?

B. Go to Bob's Big Boy every day for seven years for a burger, chocolate shake 
and
inspiration?

C. Twice daily, take 20 minutes out of your over-caffeinated, nicotine-infused
existence to sit down, repeat your mantra, and become so convinced of the value 
of
transcendental meditation that you travel the country to tell equally
over-caffeinated, possibly also nicotine-infused, but definitely stressed-out
college students things such as Bliss is our nature?

Bliss is our nature? This is now the message from the creator of Eraserhead, the
film starring that poufy-haired guy and the mutant baby.

Apparently, it's an all-of-the-above phase of life for mind-bending filmmaker 
Lynch,
who says his 32 years of meditating have rid him of the anger, anxiety and fear 
that
gripped him when he was a student at the Pennsylvania Academy of the Fine Arts 
right
here in stress-inducing Philadelphia.

Lynch, 59, is now touring college campuses with a band of TM devotees 
(including a
physicist, a professor of nuclear medicine, and a volunteer student who 
meditates on
stage while hooked up to an EEG machine) to raise $7 billion (yes, billion) for 
a
new nonprofit. The David Lynch Foundation - dedicated to consciousness-based 
world
peace and education - seeks to make transcendental meditation available to
hopped-up college students, and to younger kids, too, who are suffering from 
lots of
high blood pressure, anxiety and other ailments.

I want God to dance with us in a flow of bliss, Lynch told the overflow crowd 
at
the University of Pennsylvania the other night, speaking in his surprisingly
Poindexter-y voice, with that unmistakable shock of big-head hair and dressed 
in the
same skinny black tie, white shirt, and black suit he has worn since his high 
school
yearbook picture. We're not made to suffer, he said.

An unlikely message, perhaps, from someone whose psyche has coughed up such
discomfiting works as Blue Velvet, The Elephant Man, and Twin Peaks (but also, 
as he
reminded the students, the rather blissful The Straight Story, a true tale 
about a
guy who drives his John Deere riding mower cross-country to mend his relations 
with
his dying brother).

Lynch does not see a disconnect between his meditation practices - a diving 
into
the ocean within to create a world of peace sort of thing - and his ability to
create dark, edgy art. He is finishing up a new film, Inland Empire, which he
describes as being about a woman in trouble, starring Lynch regular Laura 
Dern.

You don't have to suffer to show suffering, he said. You don't have to be 
angry
to show anger. Those negative emotions start lifting when you start meditating. 
You
should have an edge. But you should get rid of those things that keep you from
creating.

Three decades of TM have not, however, rid him of his fear of public speaking, 
he
says. And so, minutes before he was to appear on stage at Penn's Museum of
Archaeology and Anthropology on Thursday night, the idol of many a camera-waving
film student stood in an alleyway just off Spruce Street, leaned his head 
against
the brick wall, closed his eyes, and tried to calm himself.

It's like everything, relative, Lynch had explained backstage a few minutes
earlier. If it was 32 years ago, you'd have me in a stretcher.

Now, he said, jabbing a finger into the shoulder of a reporter (lightly, 
lightly,
not at all menacingly - but this is a guy who used a severed ear as a plot 
device,
so there is a slight recoil), he strives to reach that field of unity, where 
he
can tap into positive energy (jab), bliss (jab), intelligence (jab), universal 
love
(jab), creativity (jab), and more energy and sharpness (he stopped jabbing and
headed outside, presumably to dive into his ocean of calm).

No doubt, academic, financial and social pressures among college students are 
real
concerns. (Just ask the hundreds of students who arrived early but were still 
turned
away from Lynch's lecture after the 780-seat auditorium filled up. Inside, 
though,
the students in the artsy crowd often seemed to be the ones offering up an 
admiring
reassurance to the disarmingly awkward Lynch.)

In the book College of the Overwhelmed, Harvard mental-health services chief Dr.
Richard Kadison cites statistics that find nearly half of all students 
experience
depression during college, and one in 10 will consider suicide. Too often, 
Kadison
writes, students resort to such destructive behaviors as eating disorders, drug
abuse, cutting themselves and 

[FairfieldLife] Hymn of the Gambler, line by line, just for fun

2005-10-03 Thread cardemaister

Rgveda X 34, 1a

prAvepÁ mA bRható mAdayanti...
(pada-pATha: prAvepAH; mA; bRhataH; mAdayanti)

The dangling ones (pravepAH) of
the lofty [tree] (bRhataH) gladden
(mAdayanti) me (mA)




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Hymn of the Gambler, line by line, just for fun

2005-10-03 Thread cardemaister
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 Rgveda X 34, 1a
 
 prAvepÁ mA bRható mAdayanti...
 (pada-pATha: prAvepAH; mA; bRhataH; mAdayanti)
 
 The dangling ones (pravepAH) of
 the lofty [tree] (bRhataH) gladden
 (mAdayanti) me (mA)

1b

pravAtejÁ íriNe várRtAnAH
(pravAte'jAH; iriNe; varvRtAnAH)

[those] born in a windy place 
(pravAtejAH)
as they roll (rolling: varvRtAnAH)
on the dice-board (iriNe)





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Cannot Judge - Maharishi or Hagelin

2005-10-03 Thread Vaj
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Cannot Judge - Maharishi or Hagelin





Maybe this was just to cover his own indiscretions?


On 10/2/05 7:21 AM, Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 
 
Hari Om,
 FairfieldLife folks, Please read this Piece I found in another Forum. Too difficult to Judge sexy Sadie.

Jason

-OriginalMessage---
From: arunagirinatharchith [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]   
Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2005 20:23:22 - 
Subject: SEXUALITY of Saints 

This is a piece from David Godman's interview by Maalok:

  I should also make it clear that Sri Ramana himself readily admitted that enlightenment didn't turn people into paragons of virtue. Like most great Masters before him, he said that it was impossible to judge whether someone was enlightened by what he or she did or said. Saintliness does not necessarily go hand in hand with enlightenment, although most people like to think that it should. Sri Ramana was a rare conjunction of saintliness and enlightenment, but many other Masters and enlightened beings were not. They were not less enlightened because they didn't conform to the social and ethical mores of their 
times, they simply had different destinies to fulfil. 

In Talks with Sri Ramana Maharshi, Sri Ramana narrates the story of Kaduveli Siddhar, an austere ascetic who attracted public ridicule by having an affair with a temple dancer. A local king offered a reward to anyone who could prove whether this man really was a saint or not. At the time the challenge was issued, Kaduveli Siddhar was subsisting on dry leaves that fell from trees. When the dancer eventually gave birth to Kaduveli Siddhar's baby, she thought that she had proved her point and went to the king to collect her reward. 

The king, who wanted some public confirmation of their intimate relationship, arranged a dance performance. When it was under way, the dancer stretched out her foot towards Kaduveli Siddhar because one of her anklets had become loose. When he retied it for her, the audience jeered at him. Kaduveli Siddhar was unmoved. He sang a Tamil verse, part of which said, 'If it is true that I sleep day and night quite aware of the Self, may this stone burst into two and become the wide expanse'. 

Immediately, a nearby stone idol split apart with a resounding crack, much to the astonishment of the audience.

Sri Ramana's conclusion to this story was, 'He proved himself to be an unswerving jnani. One should not be deceived by the external appearance of a jnani.' 

I find it fascinating that Sri Ramana, a man of impeccable saintliness, could say that behaviour such as this could not be taken to indicate that Kaduveli Siddhar was unenlightened.

 The url for the page where you can find the above is:
http://www.davidgodman.org/interviews/al3.shtml http://www.davidgodman.org/interviews/al3.shtml 

I guess the above says everything about Ramana's position on this issue of enlightened humans being involved in sexual (or any other) act. I guess the Jnani as such has no desires (because his or her mind is dead), but his body is completely used by the power we might call 'god'. So, in case of a Jnani, action takes place without any desires. In case of 
humans whose minds are not dead, desires arise. If we are aware enough and watch the desires, and any thought for that matter, we might stop taking those actions which are detrimental to our own or some other person's larger interests.

 Of course, sex is not a 'bad' thing, but it becomes detrimental when we cling to it and 'want' more of it and often. Even clinging to tasty food or any other 'thing' is detrimental (probably as detrimental as clinging to sex). I guess in the most worthy, 'enlightened' state, bliss is always there and there is no dependency even in the least on any external object. I guess only when one is in the enlightened state, the most appropriate, 'right' action arises all the time.

 







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Cannot Judge - Maharishi or Hagelin

2005-10-03 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Maybe this was just to cover his own indiscretions?

Ramana Maharshi committed indiscretions??


 On 10/2/05 7:21 AM, Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   
   
   
  Hari Om,
 FairfieldLife folks, Please read this Piece I 
found in another
  Forum.  Too difficult to Judge sexy Sadie.
   
   
  Jason
   
  -OriginalMessage---
  From:  arunagirinatharchith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2005 20:23:22 -
  Subject: SEXUALITY  of  Saints
  
This is a piece from David Godman's interview by Maalok:
  
 I should also make it clear that Sri Ramana himself 
readily admitted
  that enlightenment didn't turn people into paragons of virtue. 
Like most great
  Masters before him, he said that it was impossible to judge 
whether someone
  was enlightened by what he or she did or said. Saintliness does 
not
  necessarily go hand in hand with enlightenment, although most 
people like to
  think that it should. Sri Ramana was a rare conjunction of 
saintliness and
  enlightenment, but many other Masters and enlightened beings were 
not. They
  were not less enlightened because they didn't conform to the 
social and
  ethical mores of their
  times, they simply had different destinies to fulfil.
  
In Talks with Sri Ramana Maharshi, Sri Ramana narrates the 
story of
  Kaduveli Siddhar, an austere ascetic who attracted public 
ridicule by having
  an affair with a temple dancer. A local king offered a reward to 
anyone who
  could prove whether this man really was a saint or not. At the 
time the
  challenge was issued, Kaduveli Siddhar was subsisting on dry 
leaves that fell
  from trees. When the dancer eventually gave birth to Kaduveli 
Siddhar's baby,
  she thought that she had proved her point and went to the king to 
collect her
  reward. 
  
The king, who wanted some public confirmation of their 
intimate
  relationship, arranged a dance performance. When it was under 
way, the dancer
  stretched out her foot towards Kaduveli Siddhar because one of 
her anklets had
  become loose. When he retied it for her, the audience jeered at 
him. Kaduveli
  Siddhar was unmoved. He sang a Tamil verse, part of which 
said, 'If it is true
  that I sleep day and night quite aware of the Self, may this 
stone burst into
  two and become the wide expanse'.
  
Immediately, a nearby stone idol split apart with a 
resounding crack,
  much to the astonishment of the audience.
  
   Sri Ramana's conclusion to this story was, 'He proved 
himself to be an
  unswerving jnani. One should not be deceived by the external 
appearance of a
  jnani.' 
  
I find it fascinating that Sri Ramana, a man of impeccable 
saintliness,
  could say that behaviour such as this could not be taken to 
indicate that
  Kaduveli Siddhar was unenlightened.
  
The url for the page where you can find the above is:
  http://www.davidgodman.org/interviews/al3.shtml
  http://www.davidgodman.org/interviews/al3.shtml
  
I guess the above says everything about Ramana's position 
on this issue
  of enlightened humans being involved in sexual (or any other) 
act. I guess the
  Jnani as such has no desires (because his or her mind is dead), 
but his body
  is completely used by the power we might call 'god'. So, in case 
of a Jnani,
  action takes place without any desires. In case of
  humans whose minds are not dead, desires arise. If we are aware 
enough and
  watch the desires, and any thought for that matter, we might stop 
taking those
  actions which are detrimental to our own or some other person's 
larger
  interests.
  
 Of course, sex is not a 'bad' thing, but it becomes 
detrimental when we
  cling to it and 'want' more of it and often. Even clinging to 
tasty food or
  any other 'thing' is detrimental (probably as detrimental as 
clinging to sex).
  I guess in the most worthy, 'enlightened' state, bliss is always 
there and
  there is no dependency even in the least on any external object. 
I guess only
  when one is in the enlightened state, the most 
appropriate, 'right' action
  arises all the time.
   
 




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dangers of Pseudo-Advaita

2005-10-03 Thread Vaj



On 10/2/05 9:21 PM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sinhlnx [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 snip
  1. In the Pseudo- or Neo-Advaitin tradition: Ramana Maharshi,
 HWL Poonja, Nisargadatta Maharaj, Gangaji, I-Nome, Andrew Cohen,
 Adi Da, etc
 
 I just skimmed the article, so maybe this is
 answered and I missed it, but why would Ramana
 be a Neo-Advaitin?  More generally, what's the
 distinction between pseudo- and Neo-Advaitins
 and Advaitins?

My impression would be that Ramana was neo because he helped usher in a
new trend where there wasn't teaching of techniques and methods. People came
and hung out with him in satsangs rather than practicing all the various
methods used in Advaita. IIRC all he taught was a form of self inquiry.

Pseudo advaita seems to be a product of spiritual consumerism which seems to
produce a kind of consumer narcissism. It not real nondualism but a faux
nondualism. None of these people who hold satsangs possess any realization
that is acknowledged or authenticated by a realized being or tradition that
I have seen. They often follow a satsang format where those who feel they
are awakened share their experiences with others. This movement seems to
have really caught on via Papaji (Sri H.W.L. Poonja), whose comments on
satsang culture are worth reading:

 David Godman interviews Papaji:

 David: ³You used to give experiences to a lot of people.

 Why did you do it if you knew that the effect would not be permanent?²



 Papaji: ³I did it to get rid of the leeches who were sticking to me,

 never allowing me to rest or be by myself.

 It was a very good way of getting rid of all these leeches in a polite way.

 I knew that in doing this I was giving lollipops to the ignorant and
innocent, 

 but this is what these people wanted.

 When I tried to give $100 bills to them, they rejected them.

 They thought that they were just pieces of paper.

 So I gave them lollipops instead.



 David: Many of the people you gave lollipops to left Lucknow thinking that
they were enlightened.

 Does the fact that they accepted the lollipop and left indicate

 that they were not worthy to receive the $100 bills?



 Papaji: ³If one is not a holy person, one is not worthy to receive the real
teaching. 

 Many people think that they have attained the final state of full and
complete liberation.

 They have fooled themselves,

 and they have fooled many other people,

 But they have not fooled me.

 A person in this state is like a fake coin.

 It may look like the real thing.

 It can be passed around and used by ignorant people

 who use it to buy things with.

 People who have it in their pocket can boast of having a genuine coin,

 but it is not real.

 It has no value. 

 When it is finally discovered to be a fake,

 the person who is circulating it,

 claiming that it is real,

 is subject to the penalties of the law.



 In the spiritual world,

 the law of karma catches up and deals with all people who are trafficking
in fake experiences.

 I have never passed on the truth to those whom I could see were fake coins.

 These people may look like gold

 and they may glitter like gold,

 but they have no real value.

 There are many people who can put on a show

 and fool other people into believing they are enlightened.²

---

Most if not all of the westerners behind this movement are fake coins from
what I can grok. It's really about feeling good about small self and
consolidating ego. No practices necessary. Thus the term pseudo.

Traditional advaita Vedanta is a rather systematic path. Often when the
student is ripe, the teacher imparts the experience of the nondual state.
And of course there are other forms of Advaita as well, like Sri Vidya (Guru
Dev's path).










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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Cannot Judge - Maharishi or Hagelin

2005-10-03 Thread Vaj
Well, not really. In western terms he was a transvestite.


On 10/3/05 8:14 AM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Maybe this was just to cover his own indiscretions?
 
 Ramana Maharshi committed indiscretions??




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Dangers of Pseudo-Advaita

2005-10-03 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 10/2/05 9:21 PM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sinhlnx [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
  snip
   1. In the Pseudo- or Neo-Advaitin tradition: Ramana Maharshi,
  HWL Poonja, Nisargadatta Maharaj, Gangaji, I-Nome, Andrew Cohen,
  Adi Da, etc
  
  I just skimmed the article, so maybe this is
  answered and I missed it, but why would Ramana
  be a Neo-Advaitin?  More generally, what's the
  distinction between pseudo- and Neo-Advaitins
  and Advaitins?
 
 My impression would be that Ramana was neo because he helped 
usher in a
 new trend where there wasn't teaching of techniques and methods. 
People came
 and hung out with him in satsangs rather than practicing all the 
various
 methods used in Advaita. IIRC all he taught was a form of self 
inquiry.
 
 Pseudo advaita seems to be a product of spiritual consumerism which 
seems to
 produce a kind of consumer narcissism. It not real nondualism but a 
faux
 nondualism. None of these people who hold satsangs possess any 
realization
 that is acknowledged or authenticated by a realized being or 
tradition that
 I have seen. They often follow a satsang format where those who 
feel they
 are awakened share their experiences with others.

Thanks for the rundown.  Seems odd to me, though,
to lump pseudo- and neo-Advaitins together if Papaji
is an example of the former and Ramana of the latter.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Cannot Judge - Maharishi or Hagelin

2005-10-03 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Well, not really. In western terms he was a transvestite.

guffaw

Oh, really?  Ramana was a man dressing as a woman,
or a woman dressing as a man?


 On 10/3/05 8:14 AM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Maybe this was just to cover his own indiscretions?
  
  Ramana Maharshi committed indiscretions??






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dangers of Pseudo-Advaita

2005-10-03 Thread Vaj



On 10/3/05 8:49 AM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Thanks for the rundown.  Seems odd to me, though,
 to lump pseudo- and neo-Advaitins together if Papaji
 is an example of the former and Ramana of the latter.

Not what I was trying to convey. Papaji was the real juju. He transmitted
the non-dual state to some of his American students who felt they were now
enlightened. They returned to the US and helped foster what is now termed
pseudo-advaita--at least in the current sense, it's probably older. Andrew
Cohen was one of the leeches who brought back his alleged enlightenment.
Around this that time pseudo-advaita become a larger and more noticeable
trend.

It seems that the pauperisation of satsang culture began after the death
of Poonjaji. Many of his followers started to claim that Poonjaji approved
their awakening.' It seems that they just took him too literally. It is an
Advaita custom to say 'you are already awakened.' This is however more a
teaching device than a reflection of reality. And even if some of his
disciples had a glimpse of awakening, Poonjaji knew very well that in most
cases neither it was permanent nor the final state. An example was Andrew
Cohen who was sent to give satsang in the west. He was meant to represent
Poonjaji and attract more westerners to Lucknow. But he and others thought
that Poonjaji actually conformed his Enlightenment. For that reason, Cohen
became very hurt when Poonjaji started to criticize him when he began to act
as a master. From this wound came later the magazine 'What is
Enlightenment?' which more represents Cohen's own insecurity and an
unsuccessful attempt to heal himself than a genuine search for clarity.




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Cannot Judge - Maharishi or Hagelin

2005-10-03 Thread Vaj
Ramana used to dress to appear as a women--most likely as part of his
sadhana. Transvestites are sacred to the Goddess and a welcome sight to
bless weddings in India.

The original post should have had an obligatory smiley.


On 10/3/05 9:19 AM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Well, not really. In western terms he was a transvestite.
 
 guffaw
 
 Oh, really?  Ramana was a man dressing as a woman,
 or a woman dressing as a man?




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Dangers of Pseudo-Advaita

2005-10-03 Thread Peter
There can never be any resolution to this debate from
the side of the mind. The mind is looking for
gratification through affirmation and support. The
value of a teacher is in the impact they have on
awakening you. This teacher could be quite a fruitloop
or very traditional; very sweet and supportive or a
real son-of-a-bitch. Their personality is is quite
secondary to that which is awake, as it were, in them.
Everything else is just the mind trying to resolve
conflicts primarily by making everything that is in
disagreement with it wrong and everything that
agrees with it right. We all are such frigging
morons!

--- sinhlnx [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Excellent article on previous postmakes it all
 the more important 
 to formulate a set of objective/relative signs which
 attest to one's 
 Enlightenment, realization of the Self.  But this is
 problematic 
 within the context of the groundrules laid out by
 the proponents of 
 Pseudo-Advaita, of where are many in the Web.  A
 quick google can 
 uncover a few dozen of them.  Most are devottes of
 Ramana Maharshi, a 
 few of Nisargadatta Maharaj, and at least one of Adi
 Da.; or in the 
 lineages of these people.  (which is in itself a
 contradiction since 
 Ramana Maharshi didn't setup a lineage.  Gangaji
 claims she is in 
 the lineage of Ramana since she is a devotee of
 HWL Poonja and the 
 latter was a devotee of Ramana.  At any rate, let's
 briefly discuss 
 the problem involved in stating that one is
 Enlightened ; first 
 within the context of the Neo-Advaitins then within
 the context of 
 Buddhism.
  1. In the Pseudo- or Neo-Advaitin tradition:
 Ramana Maharshi, HWL 
 Poonja, Nisargadatta Maharaj, Gangaji, I-Nome,
 Andrew Cohen, Adi Da, 
 etc
  The problem arises since Ramana Maharshi himself
 stated that any 
 talk of I'm Enlishtened is a lot of nonsense since
 there's no I 
 left to claim it.  This should stop a lot of
 self-styled Neo-
 Advaitins in their tracks straight away since lots
 of them have 
 websites and obviously want to let on that they are
 Enlightened; but 
 have difficulting enunciating that. They are left in
 a quandary: a. 
 don't state it and thus potentially be left out of
 the adulation they 
 crave by having sycophants worship them, attend
 their lectures, give 
 donations,  OR do make the bold claim and risk
 contradicting Ramana's 
 teaching.  If they go around saying I'm
 enlightened, then people 
 will become suspect in that making the claim
 outright have resorted 
 to then, is to avoid certain taboo statements such
 as I'm 
 Enlightened (but Andrew Cohen goes ahead and makes
 such a claim 
 anyway).; and allude rather to certain peripheral
 statements of which 
 there many.  These are certain pet code or buzz
 phrases intended to 
 convey the information that I'm enlightened ...but
 not allowed to 
 say it outright; so I will resort to the code words.
   2.  The MMY/TM org solution is to zero in in
 certain symptons of 
 Enlightenment which must be present for those in CC 
 or higher but 
 not present in those not in CC such as continuous
 Witnessing 
 throughout the sleep state.  The shortcoming here is
 that the list of 
 symptoms appears to be mighty short, unless there
 are others conveyed 
 during personal communications with the bonavide
 Teacher. (besides 
 MMY, who would these people be?). The very notion
 that there are 
 criteria for judging whether or not people are
 Enlightened is 
 rejected by the Neo-advaitins but is no problem for
 MMY, whom in his 
 cleverness has (more than anybody else) seen that
 for every state of 
 Consciousness, there are corresponding physiological
 states. Although 
 one cannot adequately describe Enlightenment, the
 physiological 
 components CAN be described, (somethingthe
 Neo-Advaitins have 
 overlooked).
  3. Buddhism probably has the most complete and
 through framework for 
 determining if the person is Enlightened; and some
 of these criteria 
 were listed previously. 
 4. Other traditions, Sant Mat for example.  The
 major goal here is 
 God Consciousness which is probably the same as GC
 in MMY's scheme. A 
 few of the Sant Mat Gurus probably were Enlightened
 but the Sant Mat 
 Tradition basically can't deal with the idea of
 non-dualism and 
 there's no conceptual framework for Advaita in Sant
 Mat since the 
 founders of that Tradition reject Shankara.
 Well, that's about it. To conclude, many of the
 Neo-Advaitins want to 
 claim Enlightenment for themselves but run into
 problem since their 
 major founder Ramana Maharshi rejected the very idea
 of a claim as 
 being delusional.  Certain Neo-Advaitins such as
 Andrew Cohen have 
 gone against Ramana's teachings with some risk to
 their reputations; 
 and have indeed come up with their own long lists of
 the symptoms of 
 Enlightenment, to wit: (Andrew's magazine What is
 Enlightenment goes 
 into this question in vertually every issue. 
 Unfortunately for 
 Andrew, if one of the criterions is Your Mother
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: THE FUTURE OF MALE-FEMALE RELATIONSHIPS Part II

2005-10-03 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rasa Von Werder 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
 
  Men who are passive and submissive to women will now be an 
asset, not
  a defect, as women get more macho and powerful and need simple 
 comfort
  and support.  
 
 *lol* Nothing wrong with a simple reversal of roles, of course, 
but 
 how about an envisoning of a partnership of genuine equality and 
 balance between *two* powerful, self-actualized people?
 
Bringing this back to a creative projection through the body, we 
might see an emphasis on the dominance of matriarchy over the 
dominance of patriarchy as a continuation of the old see-saw of left-
nostril dominance or right-nostril dominance: Now I am dominant 
male (and you are submissive female) = Pingala, right nostril; 
*or* Now I am dominant female (and you are submissive male) = Ida, 
left nostril. How would it be if *both* nostrils are enlivened 
simulataneously, and the relationship is Sushumna?

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Peter Sutphen has passed away.

2005-10-03 Thread Peter


--- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  on 10/2/05 7:55 AM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
  
   Yes, he does. He is currently adding to his hand
 drum
   collection by seeking a doumbek on ebay. He
 might get
   one with jingles inside!
 Taka-dum-taka-taka-dum-dum
  
  I got a ghatam this summer:
 

http://chandrakantha.com/articles/indian_music/ghatam.html
 
 Oooh, I want one of those!
 
 Nice drum, too.

Too quiet for a drum circle though. They have a drum
circle here in Ft. Lauderdale on the beach every full
moon. Hundreds of people go to it. Last month I went
and played from about 8:00pm to 1:00am. There are
always about a dozen drummers there that are so good
your mouth drops open when you hear them play. These
are African and latin guys. The play polyrhythmic
subdivisions over and through foundational beats.
Incredible. For one jam I played a simple clave on a
big bass drum and everybody played around and through
it. Amazing experience. Any drum circles folks out
there? 



 
 
 
 
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Cannot Judge - Maharishi or Hagelin

2005-10-03 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Ramana used to dress to appear as a women--most likely as part of his
 sadhana. Transvestites are sacred to the Goddess and a welcome sight 
 to bless weddings in India.
 
 The original post should have had an obligatory smiley.

Yes, especially given some of your previous
comments about masters who sleep with their
followers being perverts.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] The Dangers of Pseudo-advaita

2005-10-03 Thread Peter
I'll be giving my Non-Dual Satsang every Wednesday
night. Beer and pretzels will be served. 

--- akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The Dangers of Pseudo-advaita
 
 
 BELOW THE INTRODUCTION
 FROM A PAPER BY
 AZIZ KRISTOF
 
 
 
 INTRODUCTION
 
 
 Although not always thought so as such,
 Advaita actually falls
 under the auspices of the three main branches of
 VEDANTA:
 
1. Dvaita Vedanta - the dualistic
 approach
 
2. Advaita Vedanta - the non-dualistic
 approach
 
3. Kevala Advaita Vedanta - the pure
 non-dualistic school. 
 
 The main exponent of Vedanta was the great
 sage Adi Sankara
 who was an adept of the Kevala Advaita Vedanta path.
 In western
 circles it is not unusual to blend the last two
 together as well as
 interposing the words Advaita and Vedanta as having
 the same meaning,
 becoming in a sense euphemisms of themselves
 (satsang is often
 included as well). Generally speaking it works OK,
 but when fine
 tuning the specifics then a more indepth process is
 usually required.
 (source).
 
 Jerry Katz, in a further clarification, in
 his Nonduality FAQ
 website, presents the following as well:
 
 Advaita means nonduality. Vedanta means end
 of the Veda. The
 Vedas, the most ancient texts of Indian literature,
 are books on
 mythology and sacrifice. Their origins are
 superhuman, their authority
 divine, the Orthodox believe. The end of the Veda
 marked the coming of
 the Upanishads, which are books on the nondual
 nature of reality, but
 which offer different levels of nondual
 understanding, and have even
 given rise dualism, which says that God and the
 human body are
 eternally separate.
 
 Providing the Introduction:
 the Wanderling
 
 
 
 The Dangers of Pseudo Advaita now proceeds:
 
 We would like to express our concern regarding
 the recent
 phenomenon of 'satsang-culture' which in our opinion
 has impoverished
 seriously the Orignial Spirit of Advaita. These days
 many individuals,
 who have very little or no knowledge at all about
 the Process of
 Awakening, feel qualified to give satsang and lead
 other souls on the
 Path. Enlightenment has become very cheap these
 days. Nobody actually
 really knows what is the meaning of this term as it
 virtually means
 everything and nothing. Nowadays, it is sufficient
 to say 'I am
 Awakened' in order to give satsang.
 
 Because of the unverifiable nature of
 Enlightenment, this term has
 been much manipulated. Satsang has been
 Americanized. In an average
 satsang-gathering everybody is laughing, showing
 signs of euphoric and
 unauthentic joy, while the teacher tries to look
 like he or she is in
 a bliss. Just like a TV show. Very few actually
 meditate. Why to
 meditate if we are already all Awakened?
 
 But Is this really Advaita? Is Advaita a poor
 repetition of a
 several slogans like 'There is nobody there,' 'You
 are That,' You are
 already Awakened' or 'There is no Path', etc.? Has
 this anything to do
 with teaching of great masters like N. Maharaj or
 Sri Ramana
 Maharishi? Ramana sat in caves for 20 years before
 he could be really
 complete. In his presence disciples had to meditate
 for months and
 years before they could receive from him the glimpse
 of the Self.
 
 It is true that New Millennium is a time of
 global awakening. But
 this awakening is mostly partial and relative to the
 level of most
 people's unconsciousness. It was Jesus who said that
 there would be a
 time when many false teachers will teach in the name
 of Light. It
 seems to be happening now. Many of these teachers
 are not necessarily
 'bad people' but simply unqualified and lost, in
 truth. They have
 believed too quickly in the thought 'I am now ready
 to teach!'
 
 It seems that the pauper-isation of satsang
 culture began after
 the death of Poonjaji. Many of his followers started
 to claim that
 Poonjaji approved their 'Awakening.' It seems that
 they just took him
 too literally. It is an Advaita custom to say 'you
 are already
 Awakened.' This is however more a teaching device
 than a reflection of
 reality. And even if some of his disciples had a
 glimpse of Awakening,
 Poonjaji knew very well that in most cases neither
 it was permanent
 nor the final state.
 
 
 An example was Andrew Cohen who was sent to
 give satsang in
 the west. He was meant to represent Poonjaji and
 attract more
 westerners to Lucknow. But he and others thought
 that Poonjaji
 actually conformed his Enlightenment. For that
 reason, Cohen became
 very hurt when Poonjaji started to criticize him
 when he began to act
 as a master. From this wound came later the magazine
 'What is
 Enlightenment?' which more represents Cohen's own
 insecurity and an
 unsuccessful attempt to heal himself than a genuine
 search for
 clarity. By the endless investigation into states of
 all possible
 masters, and not being able to come to any true
 conclusion, he has
 been just 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Peter Sutphen has passed away.

2005-10-03 Thread Peter


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  Wow, he was such a great guy. Loved by one and
 all, and he had a 
  great sense of humor. I know we will all miss him.
 
 Why are you bringing all this up now? Peter died
 years ago :-)

Yeah, the last time he looked there was not only
nobody there, but nobody wasn't looking neither! Old
Peter was dead, dead as a doornail.



 
 
 
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 9 Days of Mother Diving Yagna by Choice

2005-10-03 Thread Peter
Only if jewish negroes perform it.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Dangers of Pseudo-Advaita

2005-10-03 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 On 10/3/05 8:49 AM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Thanks for the rundown.  Seems odd to me, though,
  to lump pseudo- and neo-Advaitins together if Papaji
  is an example of the former and Ramana of the latter.
 
 Not what I was trying to convey. Papaji was the real juju. He
 transmitted the non-dual state to some of his American students who 
 felt they were now enlightened. They returned to the US and helped 
 foster what is now termed pseudo-advaita--at least in the current 
 sense, it's probably older. Andrew Cohen was one of the leeches 
 who brought back his alleged enlightenment.

Oh, I see.  I thought you had quoted that exchange
with Papaji to highlight his misbehavior toward his
students, lying to them to get rid of them and so on.

Some here have claimed MMY expressed contempt for his
Western students, saying how easily they were fooled.
I guess that's really a virtue, then, no?





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Dangers of Pseudo-Advaita

2005-10-03 Thread akasha_108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Everything else is just the mind trying to resolve
 conflicts primarily by making everything that is in
 disagreement with it wrong and everything that
 agrees with it right. We all are such frigging
 morons!

Or we treat any and all thoughts as just thoughts -- not giving it any
special status as true just because its mine. The (trained)
intellect can help discern between thoughts that are true and useful,
and those that don't hold up, and are a relection of some inner
limitation.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Peter Sutphen has passed away.

2005-10-03 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 
 
 --- Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
  off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
   Wow, he was such a great guy. Loved by one and
  all, and he had a 
   great sense of humor. I know we will all miss him.
  
  Why are you bringing all this up now? Peter died
  years ago :-)
 
 Yeah, the last time he looked there was not only
 nobody there, but nobody wasn't looking neither! Old
 Peter was dead, dead as a doornail.


Yeah, Peter is dead; long live Peter! :-)




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Dangers of Pseudo-Advaita

2005-10-03 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sinhlnx [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
   What's 
   your opinion?
  
  Mine is this: We see what we want to see, and what we see is 
 *always* 
  some aspect of our Self. (What else is there?) If what we see 
 doesn't 
  *appear* to be some aspect of our Self, it's because we have 
certain 
  preconceptions about what our Self *is* that don't match our 
  perceptions. If we truly want to know our Self in its fullness, 
we 
 are 
  continually called and challenged to surrender our 
preconceptions 
 into 
  an acceptance of that which is standing right in front of us.
  
  :-)
 
 Or, if this doesn't ring for us in this moment, perhaps we are 
called 
 in the opposite direction -- to completely deny everything we have 
 identified with, until the Self stands utterly alone. Whole-
hearted or 
 empty-hearted, the end-result would appear to be the same, so long 
as 
 we are consistent and integral.

Or inconsistent and fragmented; no matter; also good. This too, and 
this neither. Believe in the dream or not, waking up is inevitable, 
and we always support the dream in its entirety, whether we are 
consciously aligned with this support or not. :-( :-) :-( :-)

There is no real way we can speed up or slow down the Realization 
that will never happen and that has already happened. Until we 
swallow time, and embrace the imperfection, we are swallowed by it, 
and embraced by it. So? 

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Dangers of Pseudo-Advaita

2005-10-03 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
 
 Oh, I see.  I thought you had quoted that exchange
 with Papaji to highlight his misbehavior toward his
 students, lying to them to get rid of them and so on.
 
 Some here have claimed MMY expressed contempt for his
 Western students, saying how easily they were fooled.
 I guess that's really a virtue, then, no?

HA! We see what we need to see, all right. If we cannot accept 
imperfections with unconditional Love, we will see them everywhere 
until we can! (you-know-what coming up a few lines below; you may want 
to stop reading now)


(Seriously, stop reading now or you may get mildly irritated)



(or even more than mildly irritated)



(well you can't say I didn't warn you)


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[FairfieldLife] Re: Peter Sutphen has passed away.

2005-10-03 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 Any drum circles folks out
 there? 

YES -- great stuff. :-D




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Peter Sutphen has passed away.

2005-10-03 Thread akasha_108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
 --- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   on 10/2/05 7:55 AM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:
   
Yes, he does. He is currently adding to his hand
  drum
collection by seeking a doumbek on ebay. He
  might get
one with jingles inside!
  Taka-dum-taka-taka-dum-dum
   
   I got a ghatam this summer:
  
 
 http://chandrakantha.com/articles/indian_music/ghatam.html
  
  Oooh, I want one of those!
  
  Nice drum, too.
 
 Too quiet for a drum circle though. They have a drum
 circle here in Ft. Lauderdale on the beach every full
 moon. Hundreds of people go to it. Last month I went
 and played from about 8:00pm to 1:00am. There are
 always about a dozen drummers there that are so good
 your mouth drops open when you hear them play. These
 are African and latin guys. The play polyrhythmic
 subdivisions over and through foundational beats.
 Incredible. For one jam I played a simple clave on a
 big bass drum and everybody played around and through
 it. Amazing experience. Any drum circles folks out
 there? 

I used to live near a huge urban park and in a special spot, there was
a drum cirlce every sunday afternoon.  I am not a drummer, but it was
fun and intresting to time my walks to go by during the cirlce. Quite
a lot of talent on all sorts of drums. And rythmic / devotional
dancing. And lots of herbal sacraficing it appeared (and smelled of).
Lots of people apparently living in their vans would roll up and
unload their drums, and all. Looked and felt like 1967.

 




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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dangers of Pseudo-advaita

2005-10-03 Thread akasha_108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I'll be giving my Non-Dual Satsang every Wednesday
 night. Beer and pretzels will be served. 

And all will be one bud wiser? (every 15 minutes).

(gretchen wilson song)


 
 --- akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  The Dangers of Pseudo-advaita
  
  
  BELOW THE INTRODUCTION
  FROM A PAPER BY
  AZIZ KRISTOF
  
  
  
  INTRODUCTION
  
  
  Although not always thought so as such,
  Advaita actually falls
  under the auspices of the three main branches of
  VEDANTA:
  
 1. Dvaita Vedanta - the dualistic
  approach
  
 2. Advaita Vedanta - the non-dualistic
  approach
  
 3. Kevala Advaita Vedanta - the pure
  non-dualistic school. 
  
  The main exponent of Vedanta was the great
  sage Adi Sankara
  who was an adept of the Kevala Advaita Vedanta path.
  In western
  circles it is not unusual to blend the last two
  together as well as
  interposing the words Advaita and Vedanta as having
  the same meaning,
  becoming in a sense euphemisms of themselves
  (satsang is often
  included as well). Generally speaking it works OK,
  but when fine
  tuning the specifics then a more indepth process is
  usually required.
  (source).
  
  Jerry Katz, in a further clarification, in
  his Nonduality FAQ
  website, presents the following as well:
  
  Advaita means nonduality. Vedanta means end
  of the Veda. The
  Vedas, the most ancient texts of Indian literature,
  are books on
  mythology and sacrifice. Their origins are
  superhuman, their authority
  divine, the Orthodox believe. The end of the Veda
  marked the coming of
  the Upanishads, which are books on the nondual
  nature of reality, but
  which offer different levels of nondual
  understanding, and have even
  given rise dualism, which says that God and the
  human body are
  eternally separate.
  
  Providing the Introduction:
  the Wanderling
  
  
  
  The Dangers of Pseudo Advaita now proceeds:
  
  We would like to express our concern regarding
  the recent
  phenomenon of 'satsang-culture' which in our opinion
  has impoverished
  seriously the Orignial Spirit of Advaita. These days
  many individuals,
  who have very little or no knowledge at all about
  the Process of
  Awakening, feel qualified to give satsang and lead
  other souls on the
  Path. Enlightenment has become very cheap these
  days. Nobody actually
  really knows what is the meaning of this term as it
  virtually means
  everything and nothing. Nowadays, it is sufficient
  to say 'I am
  Awakened' in order to give satsang.
  
  Because of the unverifiable nature of
  Enlightenment, this term has
  been much manipulated. Satsang has been
  Americanized. In an average
  satsang-gathering everybody is laughing, showing
  signs of euphoric and
  unauthentic joy, while the teacher tries to look
  like he or she is in
  a bliss. Just like a TV show. Very few actually
  meditate. Why to
  meditate if we are already all Awakened?
  
  But Is this really Advaita? Is Advaita a poor
  repetition of a
  several slogans like 'There is nobody there,' 'You
  are That,' You are
  already Awakened' or 'There is no Path', etc.? Has
  this anything to do
  with teaching of great masters like N. Maharaj or
  Sri Ramana
  Maharishi? Ramana sat in caves for 20 years before
  he could be really
  complete. In his presence disciples had to meditate
  for months and
  years before they could receive from him the glimpse
  of the Self.
  
  It is true that New Millennium is a time of
  global awakening. But
  this awakening is mostly partial and relative to the
  level of most
  people's unconsciousness. It was Jesus who said that
  there would be a
  time when many false teachers will teach in the name
  of Light. It
  seems to be happening now. Many of these teachers
  are not necessarily
  'bad people' but simply unqualified and lost, in
  truth. They have
  believed too quickly in the thought 'I am now ready
  to teach!'
  
  It seems that the pauper-isation of satsang
  culture began after
  the death of Poonjaji. Many of his followers started
  to claim that
  Poonjaji approved their 'Awakening.' It seems that
  they just took him
  too literally. It is an Advaita custom to say 'you
  are already
  Awakened.' This is however more a teaching device
  than a reflection of
  reality. And even if some of his disciples had a
  glimpse of Awakening,
  Poonjaji knew very well that in most cases neither
  it was permanent
  nor the final state.
  
  
  An example was Andrew Cohen who was sent to
  give satsang in
  the west. He was meant to represent Poonjaji and
  attract more
  westerners to Lucknow. But he and others thought
  that Poonjaji
  actually conformed his Enlightenment. For that
  reason, Cohen became
  very hurt when Poonjaji started to criticize him
  when he began to act
  as a master. From this wound came 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Peter Sutphen has passed away.

2005-10-03 Thread akasha_108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
 --- Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
  off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
   Wow, he was such a great guy. Loved by one and
  all, and he had a 
   great sense of humor. I know we will all miss him.
  
  Why are you bringing all this up now? Peter died
  years ago :-)
 
 Yeah, the last time he looked there was not only
 nobody there, but nobody wasn't looking neither! Old
 Peter was dead, dead as a doornail.


But only if you played him backwards.

And he screamed like a banchi when we stuck the phono needle in him.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Peter Sutphen has passed away.

2005-10-03 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
  
  
  --- Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
   off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
   wrote:
Wow, he was such a great guy. Loved by one and
   all, and he had a 
great sense of humor. I know we will all miss him.
   
   Why are you bringing all this up now? Peter died
   years ago :-)
  
  Yeah, the last time he looked there was not only
  nobody there, but nobody wasn't looking neither! Old
  Peter was dead, dead as a doornail.
 
 
 But only if you played him backwards.
 
 And he screamed like a banchi when we stuck the phono needle in 
him.

Banshee from Bean Sidhe, female fairy; Irish Sidhe apparently 
being cognate with Sanskrit Siddha ... ?






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Dangers of Pseudo-Advaita

2005-10-03 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
  Everything else is just the mind trying to resolve
  conflicts primarily by making everything that is in
  disagreement with it wrong and everything that
  agrees with it right. We all are such frigging
  morons!
 
 Or we treat any and all thoughts as just thoughts -- not giving it 
any
 special status as true just because its mine. The (trained)
 intellect can help discern between thoughts that are true and useful,
 and those that don't hold up, and are a relection of some inner
 limitation.

Here's a thought. Are *any* thoughts true and useful? 
And is this your thought or mine?




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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dangers of Pseudo-advaita

2005-10-03 Thread akasha_108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I'll be giving my Non-Dual Satsang every Wednesday
 night. Beer and pretzels will be served. 

So thats the non-O'Douls state. The non-non-alcoholic beer state.
Thus = to the drunken state.  

Did Papa-Bud give you direct transmission of the pure non-odouls
drunken state? After which did you feel a sharp slap to the forehead,
followed by seeing all the stars in the universe -- followed by
profound silence ? 

That was your forehead hitting the floor.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Dangers of Pseudo-Advaita

2005-10-03 Thread akasha_108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
 
 On 10/3/05 8:49 AM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Thanks for the rundown.  Seems odd to me, though,
  to lump pseudo- and neo-Advaitins together if Papaji
  is an example of the former and Ramana of the latter.
 
 Not what I was trying to convey. Papaji was the real juju. He
transmitted
 the non-dual state to some of his American students who felt they
were now
 enlightened. They returned to the US and helped foster what is now
termed
 pseudo-advaita--at least in the current sense, it's probably older.
Andrew
 Cohen was one of the leeches who brought back his alleged
enlightenment.
 Around this that time pseudo-advaita become a larger and more noticeable
 trend.
 
 It seems that the pauperisation of satsang culture began after the
death
 of Poonjaji. Many of his followers started to claim that Poonjaji
approved
 their awakening.' It seems that they just took him too literally. It
is an
 Advaita custom to say 'you are already awakened.' This is however more a
 teaching device than a reflection of reality. And even if some of his
 disciples had a glimpse of awakening, Poonjaji knew very well that
in most
 cases neither it was permanent nor the final state. An example was
Andrew
 Cohen who was sent to give satsang in the west. He was meant to
represent
 Poonjaji and attract more westerners to Lucknow. But he and others
thought
 that Poonjaji actually conformed his Enlightenment. For that reason,
Cohen
 became very hurt when Poonjaji started to criticize him when he
began to act
 as a master. From this wound came later the magazine 'What is
 Enlightenment?' which more represents Cohen's own insecurity and an
 unsuccessful attempt to heal himself than a genuine search for clarity.


So we see that the Jhanas are not only at the heart of his
teaching, but also were at the heart of his own practise.

EVEN SO, ALL EIGHT JHANAS WERE STILL NOT ENOUGH. THE
BUDDHA'S BREAKTHROUGH TRANSPIRED ONLY AFTER HE HAD SURPASSED THE
EIGHTH AND FINAL JHANA!! HIS AWAKENING DID NOT OCCUR IN THE EIGHTH
JHANA BUT BEYOND IT. IT IS IN THAT REALM OF BEYOND BEYOND THE
BEYOND WHEREIN THE JEWEL OF THE ANCIENTS CAN BE REALIZED BY ALL.







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dangers of Pseudo-Advaita

2005-10-03 Thread Vaj
Or we just see them as old friends. If we know how to relax into the natural
state, we can take notice and they self-liberate--as the yogis say 'like dew
in the sun'.

 In Œself-liberation observing the object¹ (gcer-grol), by looking directly
at the discursive, intuitive or super-subtle thought that is present at a
given moment, what the thought is in truth‹which is also what the mental
subject looking at it is in truth‹is recognized; in other words, the state
of knowledge [Tib: rigpa, Skt: vidya] fully manifests. This has been
compared to the recognition of an old friend, because what is thus
recognized is one¹s own Essence. One recognizes one¹s own original face
which precedes any form‹ something more intimate and more one¹s own than the
most intimate of friends. This recognition is not the recognition of an
object in terms of a concept or idea, but completely surpasses that type of
recognition. It¹s not that one thinks to oneself: Œthe thought or concept
now presenting itself is nothing other than the true condition or the
primordial nature of all existence¹, but that the mental subject disappears
together with the thought that it had taken as an object. Since the duality
of a subject and an object instantly disappears, together with the
importance that we normally attribute to our experience, the tensions that
normally tie up our existence are instantly cut, like the string tying a
bundle of wood. As soon as this happens, the primordial state manifests in
absolute relaxation. This mode or capacity of liberation is illustrated with
the image of Œrecognizing an old friend¹ in many Dzogchen texts, and is
indicated by the words Œnamtok no she pe drolwa¹ (rnam-rtog ngo-shes-pas
grol-ba).




On 10/3/05 10:25 AM, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Everything else is just the mind trying to resolve
 conflicts primarily by making everything that is in
 disagreement with it wrong and everything that
 agrees with it right. We all are such frigging
 morons!
 
 Or we treat any and all thoughts as just thoughts -- not giving it any
 special status as true just because its mine. The (trained)
 intellect can help discern between thoughts that are true and useful,
 and those that don't hold up, and are a relection of some inner
 limitation.




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Cannot Judge - Maharishi or Hagelin

2005-10-03 Thread Vaj



On 10/3/05 10:08 AM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Ramana used to dress to appear as a women--most likely as part of his
 sadhana. Transvestites are sacred to the Goddess and a welcome sight
 to bless weddings in India.
 
 The original post should have had an obligatory smiley.
 
 Yes, especially given some of your previous
 comments about masters who sleep with their
 followers being perverts.

;-)




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dangers of Pseudo-Advaita

2005-10-03 Thread Vaj



On 10/3/05 10:06 AM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Some here have claimed MMY expressed contempt for his
 Western students, saying how easily they were fooled.
 I guess that's really a virtue, then, no?

I must have missed that. Please explain.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Dangers of Pseudo-Advaita

2005-10-03 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 snip
  
  Oh, I see.  I thought you had quoted that exchange
  with Papaji to highlight his misbehavior toward his
  students, lying to them to get rid of them and so on.
  
  Some here have claimed MMY expressed contempt for his
  Western students, saying how easily they were fooled.
  I guess that's really a virtue, then, no?
 
 HA! We see what we need to see, all right. If we cannot accept 
 imperfections with unconditional Love, we will see them everywhere 
 until we can!

Heck, and here I thought that if Papaji's contempt
for his students wasn't an imperfection, I didn't
have to take MMY's contempt for *his* students as
an imperfection either.

You should be complimenting me for having managed
to turn it around and seeing perfection where I
once saw imperfection.





 (you-know-what coming up a few lines below; you may want 
 to stop reading now)
 
 
 (Seriously, stop reading now or you may get mildly irritated)
 
 
 
 (or even more than mildly irritated)
 
 
 
 (well you can't say I didn't warn you)
 
 
 :-)




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 9 Days of Mother Diving Yagna by Choice

2005-10-03 Thread Vaj
Try the Uranus yagya. ;-)


On 10/3/05 10:24 AM, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Only if jewish negroes perform it.
 
 --- anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 I wonder if that yagya can cure someone of being a
 racist scumbag.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Dangers of Pseudo-Advaita

2005-10-03 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 10/3/05 10:06 AM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Some here have claimed MMY expressed contempt for his
  Western students, saying how easily they were fooled.
  I guess that's really a virtue, then, no?
 
 I must have missed that. Please explain.

Seems pretty self-explanatory to me.  What would you
like to have explained?

And what's your response to my question?







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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dangers of Pseudo-advaita

2005-10-03 Thread akasha_108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  I'll be giving my Non-Dual Satsang every Wednesday
  night. Beer and pretzels will be served. 
 
 So thats the non-O'Douls state. The non-non-alcoholic beer state.
 Thus = to the drunken state.  
 
 Did Papa-Bud give you direct transmission of the pure non-odouls
 drunken state? After which did you feel a sharp slap to the forehead,
 followed by seeing all the stars in the universe -- followed by
 profound silence ? 
 
 That was your forehead hitting the floor.


=

Perhaps we should start a beer company: Satsang Beer -- the beer that
transmits the true non-dual state.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dangers of Pseudo-advaita

2005-10-03 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 Perhaps we should start a beer company: Satsang Beer -- the beer that
 transmits the true non-dual state.

Some members of our Satsang in Fairfield were laughing about THAT just 
the other day! Brahman Brew -- for its full-bodied flavor.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Cannot Judge - Maharishi or Hagelin

2005-10-03 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Ramana used to dress to appear as a women--most likely as part of 
his
 sadhana. Transvestites are sacred to the Goddess and a welcome 
sight to
 bless weddings in India.

In my understanding they are rather transgender people,
not mere transvestites.


 
 The original post should have had an obligatory smiley.
 
 
 On 10/3/05 9:19 AM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Well, not really. In western terms he was a transvestite.
  
  guffaw
  
  Oh, really?  Ramana was a man dressing as a woman,
  or a woman dressing as a man?




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Dangers of Pseudo-advaita

2005-10-03 Thread Vaj



On 10/3/05 11:06 AM, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 Perhaps we should start a beer company: Satsang Beer -- the beer that
 transmits the true non-dual state.

How would we get it to stay in the bottle? 




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Dangers of Pseudo-Advaita

2005-10-03 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  snip
   
   Oh, I see.  I thought you had quoted that exchange
   with Papaji to highlight his misbehavior toward his
   students, lying to them to get rid of them and so on.
   
   Some here have claimed MMY expressed contempt for his
   Western students, saying how easily they were fooled.
   I guess that's really a virtue, then, no?
  
  HA! We see what we need to see, all right. If we cannot accept 
  imperfections with unconditional Love, we will see them 
everywhere 
  until we can!
 
 Heck, and here I thought that if Papaji's contempt
 for his students wasn't an imperfection, I didn't
 have to take MMY's contempt for *his* students as
 an imperfection either.
 
 You should be complimenting me for having managed
 to turn it around and seeing perfection where I
 once saw imperfection.
 

I thought I was!


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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dangers of Pseudo-advaita

2005-10-03 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
 
 On 10/3/05 11:06 AM, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  
  Perhaps we should start a beer company: Satsang Beer -- the beer 
that
  transmits the true non-dual state.
 
 How would we get it to stay in the bottle?


HA! Excellent!




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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dangers of Pseudo-advaita

2005-10-03 Thread akasha_108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
 
 On 10/3/05 11:06 AM, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  
  Perhaps we should start a beer company: Satsang Beer -- the beer that
  transmits the true non-dual state.
 
 How would we get it to stay in the bottle?

Funny. But ...

How does any true advaiti keep it in him? I mean not everyone in the
world gets the transmission  when he gives the transmission to someone
in darshan, do they?





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dangers of Pseudo-Advaita

2005-10-03 Thread Vaj



On 10/3/05 11:23 AM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 10/3/05 10:06 AM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Some here have claimed MMY expressed contempt for his
 Western students, saying how easily they were fooled.
 I guess that's really a virtue, then, no?
 
 I must have missed that. Please explain.
 
 Seems pretty self-explanatory to me.  What would you
 like to have explained?
 
 And what's your response to my question?

You're right: no.




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Dangers of Pseudo-advaita

2005-10-03 Thread Vaj



On 10/3/05 11:50 AM, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Funny. But ...
 
 How does any true advaiti keep it in him? I mean not everyone in the
 world gets the transmission  when he gives the transmission to someone
 in darshan, do they?


IME, a teacher in the non-dual state is transmitting continuously if you can
listen from the natural state. And that's not merely to the human dimension.
Some teachers are also transmitting consciously to other beings. In actual
formal transmission of the state, it occurs outside of space and time. I
remember when I received the transmission of the Mind of Samantabhadra,
which is a transmission of the non-dual state--I didn't recognize it till
hours later while I was driving down the highway. In some cases it may be
days, weeks, months or years.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dangers of Pseudo-advaita

2005-10-03 Thread akasha_108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
 
 On 10/3/05 11:50 AM, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Funny. But ...
  
  How does any true advaiti keep it in him? I mean not everyone in the
  world gets the transmission  when he gives the transmission to someone
  in darshan, do they?
 
 
 IME, a teacher in the non-dual state is transmitting continuously if
you can
 listen from the natural state. And that's not merely to the human
dimension.
 Some teachers are also transmitting consciously to other beings. In
actual
 formal transmission of the state, it occurs outside of space and time. I
 remember when I received the transmission of the Mind of Samantabhadra,
 which is a transmission of the non-dual state--I didn't recognize it
till
 hours later while I was driving down the highway. In some cases it
may be
 days, weeks, months or years.


I must have missed that one.




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[FairfieldLife] Cajun Fundraiser

2005-10-03 Thread akasha_108
Rick, 

How did it go?






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Dangers of Pseudo-Advaita

2005-10-03 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
 
 On 10/3/05 11:23 AM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On 10/3/05 10:06 AM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  Some here have claimed MMY expressed contempt for his
  Western students, saying how easily they were fooled.
  I guess that's really a virtue, then, no?
  
  I must have missed that. Please explain.
  
  Seems pretty self-explanatory to me.  What would you
  like to have explained?
  
  And what's your response to my question?
 
 You're right: no.

So Papaji shows contempt for his students, and that's
a virtue; but MMY shows contempt for his students, and
that's not a virtue.

OK, just wanted to get that straight.






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Dangers of Pseudo-advaita

2005-10-03 Thread Vaj



On 10/3/05 12:04 PM, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 I must have missed that one.

Probably not.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dangers of Pseudo-advaita

2005-10-03 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
  
   
   Perhaps we should start a beer company: Satsang Beer -- the beer 
that
   transmits the true non-dual state.
  
  Some members of our Satsang in Fairfield were laughing about THAT 
just 
  the other day! Brahman Brew -- for its full-bodied flavor.
 
 Thus proving the serendipity and sychronicity of retarded humor.

Retarded humor -- is that redundant? Maybe all humor is retarded 
self-recognition, via a little dip into spacetime? 





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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dangers of Pseudo-advaita

2005-10-03 Thread akasha_108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
 
 On 10/3/05 12:04 PM, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  
  I must have missed that one.
 
 Probably not.

If I am getting what you say, everyone is getting full strength
darshan / transmission from every advaiti all the time. 

So if everyone gets it, regardless if their awareness is in the
natural state and regardless if they are aware of it, what is the
value of close proximity darshan? 






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dangers of Pseudo-Advaita

2005-10-03 Thread Vaj



On 10/3/05 12:12 PM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 So Papaji shows contempt for his students, and that's
 a virtue;

He's merely saying 'listen, just because I gave you the taste of the
non-dual state doesn't mean you're in it forever and it doesn't mean you are
enlightened.' I find that very compassionate, not contemptuous.

 but MMY shows contempt for his students, and
 that's not a virtue.

I don't know that he has shown contempt.

 
 OK, just wanted to get that straight.

OK.




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Cajun Fundraiser

2005-10-03 Thread Rick Archer
on 10/3/05 11:07 AM, akasha_108 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Rick, 
 
 How did it go?

Very well. We maxed out on the tickets - about 250. There were all sorts of
folks there - nice cross section of the community. Some who ordinarily
wouldn't be caught dead at an Amma-related function. Kirk worked very hard
in the kitchen, along with some great volunteers. Food was good. People put
together some great decorations, especially Sweta Ports, Pete's daughter,
who made about a dozen large (5') Mardi Gras masks, each one different.
Waiters wore peacock feather masks. There were beads on every table and many
donned them. Cajun/Zydeco dance music and dancing demonstration. Raised over
$6,000. Doug Hamilton and I drove Kirk around town, campus, and Vedic City
for a tour. Interesting to see all the SV houses, empty pundit housing, etc.
It was interesting hanging out with Kirk for a few days. Just took him to
the airport at 5:30 this morning. He's eager to get back home as he's been
away since before the hurricane and has a lot of work to do to get his life
back together. It was very generous of him to come up and do this.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dangers of Pseudo-advaita

2005-10-03 Thread akasha_108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
   

Perhaps we should start a beer company: Satsang Beer -- the beer 
 that
transmits the true non-dual state.
   
   Some members of our Satsang in Fairfield were laughing about THAT 
 just 
   the other day! Brahman Brew -- for its full-bodied flavor.
  
  Thus proving the serendipity and sychronicity of retarded humor.
 
 Retarded humor -- is that redundant? Maybe all humor is retarded 
 self-recognition, via a little dip into spacetime? 

It may seem so for the retarded. 






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Dangers of Pseudo-Advaita

2005-10-03 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 10/3/05 12:12 PM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  So Papaji shows contempt for his students, and that's
  a virtue;
 
 He's merely saying 'listen, just because I gave you the taste of the
 non-dual state doesn't mean you're in it forever and it doesn't 
 mean you are enlightened.' I find that very compassionate, not 
 contemptuous.

Well, actually he was saying, I did it to get
rid of the leeches who were sticking to me and
similar remarks (as quoted by you).

  but MMY shows contempt for his students, and
  that's not a virtue.
 
 I don't know that he has shown contempt.

You don't believe what people have reported here?


 
  
  OK, just wanted to get that straight.
 
 OK.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dangers of Pseudo-advaita

2005-10-03 Thread Rory Goff
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 
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 Perhaps we should start a beer company: Satsang Beer -- 
the beer 
  that
 transmits the true non-dual state.

Some members of our Satsang in Fairfield were laughing about 
THAT 
  just 
the other day! Brahman Brew -- for its full-bodied flavor.
   
   Thus proving the serendipity and sychronicity of retarded 
humor.
  
  Retarded humor -- is that redundant? Maybe all humor is 
retarded 
  self-recognition, via a little dip into spacetime? 
 
 It may seem so for the retarded.

And for the non-retarded? How does it seem?




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Dangers of Pseudo-Advaita

2005-10-03 Thread jim_flanegin
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 wrote:
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What's 
your opinion?
   
   Mine is this: We see what we want to see, and what we see is 
  *always* 
   some aspect of our Self. (What else is there?) If what we see 
  doesn't 
   *appear* to be some aspect of our Self, it's because we have 
 certain 
   preconceptions about what our Self *is* that don't match our 
   perceptions. If we truly want to know our Self in its 
fullness, 
 we 
  are 
   continually called and challenged to surrender our 
 preconceptions 
  into 
   an acceptance of that which is standing right in front of us.
   
   :-)
  
  Or, if this doesn't ring for us in this moment, perhaps we are 
 called 
  in the opposite direction -- to completely deny everything we 
have 
  identified with, until the Self stands utterly alone. Whole-
 hearted or 
  empty-hearted, the end-result would appear to be the same, so 
long 
 as 
  we are consistent and integral.
 
 Or inconsistent and fragmented; no matter; also good. This too, 
and 
 this neither. Believe in the dream or not, waking up is 
inevitable, 
 and we always support the dream in its entirety, whether we are 
 consciously aligned with this support or not. :-( :-) :-( :-)
 
 There is no real way we can speed up or slow down the Realization 
 that will never happen and that has already happened. Until we 
 swallow time, and embrace the imperfection, we are swallowed by 
it, 
 and embraced by it. So? 
 
  :-)

Swallowing time! I like that! Gulp...




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Dangers of Pseudo-Advaita

2005-10-03 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
 
 On 10/3/05 12:12 PM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  So Papaji shows contempt for his students, and that's
  a virtue;
 
 He's merely saying 'listen, just because I gave you the taste of 
the
 non-dual state doesn't mean you're in it forever and it doesn't 
mean you are
 enlightened.' I find that very compassionate, not contemptuous.
 
Yes. I am thinking that a taste of the non-dual, whether from a 
teacher or from drugs, is probably still perceived as coming from 
the outside; one probably then still hasn't fully understood the 
mechanics of ignorance and of self-recognition...



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[FairfieldLife] Re: Dangers of Pseudo-Advaita

2005-10-03 Thread Rory Goff
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 wrote:
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sinhlnx 
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 What's 
 your opinion?

Mine is this: We see what we want to see, and what we see is 
   *always* 
some aspect of our Self. (What else is there?) If what we 
see 
   doesn't 
*appear* to be some aspect of our Self, it's because we have 
  certain 
preconceptions about what our Self *is* that don't match our 
perceptions. If we truly want to know our Self in its 
 fullness, 
  we 
   are 
continually called and challenged to surrender our 
  preconceptions 
   into 
an acceptance of that which is standing right in front of us.

:-)
   
   Or, if this doesn't ring for us in this moment, perhaps we are 
  called 
   in the opposite direction -- to completely deny everything we 
 have 
   identified with, until the Self stands utterly alone. Whole-
  hearted or 
   empty-hearted, the end-result would appear to be the same, so 
 long 
  as 
   we are consistent and integral.
  
  Or inconsistent and fragmented; no matter; also good. This too, 
 and 
  this neither. Believe in the dream or not, waking up is 
 inevitable, 
  and we always support the dream in its entirety, whether we are 
  consciously aligned with this support or not. :-( :-) :-( :-)
  
  There is no real way we can speed up or slow down the 
Realization 
  that will never happen and that has already happened. Until we 
  swallow time, and embrace the imperfection, we are swallowed by 
 it, 
  and embraced by it. So? 
  
   :-)
 
 Swallowing time! I like that! Gulp...


Aaaah... the taste that refreshes!



:-)




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Dangers of Pseudo-advaita

2005-10-03 Thread Vaj



On 10/3/05 12:22 PM, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 If I am getting what you say, everyone is getting full strength
 darshan / transmission from every advaiti all the time.

I was speaking of Dzogchen masters in particular--not all advaitis. The
teacher has to be in the primordial state. And no it's not going to apparent
to all people, unless they are listening from a very relaxed, natural state.
It will depend largely on your own clarity as to whether or not you'll will
have recognition. But even if you don't have recognition at that time, it
will be available at any other time. So you can have recognition outside of
formal transmission. For example I know one person who got it in the middle
of a three year retreat while he was offering the mandala. It was years
later and a different place from his original pointing-out instruction.

In the presence of a non-dual master who is teaching, you are entering a
non-dual mandala while still living in the human realm (primarily).

I would prefer not to use the word darshan--too ambiguous and associated
with the Muktananda trip, etc.
 
 So if everyone gets it, regardless if their awareness is in the
 natural state and regardless if they are aware of it, what is the
 value of close proximity darshan?

It's only a relative benefit. You have the benefit of seeing the master,
which from the POV of the non-dual state is as pure symbol. It's just
another opportunity to meet the center of the mandala. Of course you have
the added benefit of interacting with sangha, receiving oral instructions,
etc. There are numerous reasons as to why it is advantageous to be in
person.

Even if you don't get it in this life, when you do the Big Samadhi, it will
be there, as it has been countless times before.




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dangers of Pseudo-Advaita

2005-10-03 Thread Vaj



On 10/3/05 12:37 PM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 10/3/05 12:12 PM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 So Papaji shows contempt for his students, and that's
 a virtue;
 
 He's merely saying 'listen, just because I gave you the taste of the
 non-dual state doesn't mean you're in it forever and it doesn't
 mean you are enlightened.' I find that very compassionate, not
 contemptuous.
 
 Well, actually he was saying, I did it to get
 rid of the leeches who were sticking to me and
 similar remarks (as quoted by you).

I loved that.

 
 but MMY shows contempt for his students, and
 that's not a virtue.
 
 I don't know that he has shown contempt.
 
 You don't believe what people have reported here?

I'm not sure specifically what you are referring to.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: 9 Days of Mother Diving Yagna by Choice

2005-10-03 Thread jim_flanegin
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  So I have concluded from this that there is nothing for me to 
  do 'out there', such as a yagya, snip
 
 A most interesting phrase, Jim, and one that reminds me of a Durga 
 Puja I attended here in Fairfield a few months back -- the first 
 such since leaving the TMO, IIRC, several decades ago. 
 For some time during the ceremony, I wondered why I was there, as 
 absolutely nothing was going on out there (though the ritual was 
 interesting enough). Then I thought to look in here, inside the 
 physical body, and was awestruck at the complexity of the tiny 
 impulses being awakened within the form with every name chanted. 
It 
 culminated with my physical form becoming that of Durga. Then for 
a 
 number of days I got as sick as I have ever been since awakening. 
 *LOL* All in all, a truly enjoyable and enlivening and purifying 
 experience! :-)

That is amazing, and somewhat incomprehensible, though I shall watch 
for similar the next time I find myself in such a situation.

Perhaps I should have mentioned that I always experience huge 
purifications and lightness whenever listening to vedic rituals, 
such as the installation of the Rajas awhile back. In fact I was 
able to capture the chanting as mp3 files and burn them on CDs. 

However, rather than seeking the vedic rituals out, I am a pretty 
curious fellow (in both senses of the phrase I suppose...) in that I 
find myself led to all sorts of interesting situations, including 
vedic chanting when appropriate.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: 9 Days of Mother Diving Yagna by Choice

2005-10-03 Thread Rory Goff
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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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   So I have concluded from this that there is nothing for me to 
   do 'out there', such as a yagya, snip
  
  A most interesting phrase, Jim, and one that reminds me of a 
Durga 
  Puja I attended here in Fairfield a few months back -- the first 
  such since leaving the TMO, IIRC, several decades ago. 
  For some time during the ceremony, I wondered why I was there, 
as 
  absolutely nothing was going on out there (though the ritual was 
  interesting enough). Then I thought to look in here, inside the 
  physical body, and was awestruck at the complexity of the tiny 
  impulses being awakened within the form with every name chanted. 
 It 
  culminated with my physical form becoming that of Durga. Then 
for 
 a 
  number of days I got as sick as I have ever been since 
awakening. 
  *LOL* All in all, a truly enjoyable and enlivening and purifying 
  experience! :-)
 
 That is amazing, and somewhat incomprehensible, though I shall 
watch 
 for similar the next time I find myself in such a situation.

Yes, I didn't describe that too clearly -- it should have read, at 
the complexity of impulses being awakened within the form with all 
the names chanted. Each name awakened or lit up a specific simple 
impulse within the form, the whole forming a complex pattern ...


:-)




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Dangers of Pseudo-Advaita

2005-10-03 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sinhlnx [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Excellent article on previous postmakes it all the more 
important 
 to formulate a set of objective/relative signs which attest to one's 
 Enlightenment, realization of the Self.  But this is problematic 
 within the context of the groundrules laid out by the proponents of 
 Pseudo-Advaita, of where are many in the Web.  A quick google can 
 uncover a few dozen of them.  snip
 What's 
 your opinion?

The crux of your inquiry seems to be not so much how do we know we are 
enlightened, but how do we share that or convince others that we are?

First, anyone with a thirst to let others know how enlightened they 
are is mired in deep ignorance, and is either expoliting their 
followers, or has self-esteem issues.

How do we convince others that we are enlightened? It has always 
worked for me on a frequency level, like a radio. Whenever I am in the 
presence of someone enlightened, my body resonates at that frequency 
of Wholeness. it is simple, obvious and unmistakable. 

As far as my own criteria for my own enlightenment, it has always been 
a simple one; how much am I enjoying myself, or suffering? Gets rid of 
the BS right away. ...And I've never had much success convincing 
myself that if only external element A -Z were changed, I'd be 
happier.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: 9 Days of Mother Diving Yagna by Choice

2005-10-03 Thread jim_flanegin
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wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff 
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   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin 
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   wrote:
   

So I have concluded from this that there is nothing for me 
to 
do 'out there', such as a yagya, snip
   
   A most interesting phrase, Jim, and one that reminds me of a 
 Durga 
   Puja I attended here in Fairfield a few months back -- the 
first 
   such since leaving the TMO, IIRC, several decades ago. 
   For some time during the ceremony, I wondered why I was there, 
 as 
   absolutely nothing was going on out there (though the ritual 
was 
   interesting enough). Then I thought to look in here, inside 
the 
   physical body, and was awestruck at the complexity of the tiny 
   impulses being awakened within the form with every name 
chanted. 
  It 
   culminated with my physical form becoming that of Durga. Then 
 for 
  a 
   number of days I got as sick as I have ever been since 
 awakening. 
   *LOL* All in all, a truly enjoyable and enlivening and 
purifying 
   experience! :-)
  
  That is amazing, and somewhat incomprehensible, though I shall 
 watch 
  for similar the next time I find myself in such a situation.
 
 Yes, I didn't describe that too clearly -- it should have 
read, at 
 the complexity of impulses being awakened within the form with all 
 the names chanted. Each name awakened or lit up a specific simple 
 impulse within the form, the whole forming a complex pattern ...
 
Right- I understand that. I just haven't had the experience of 
tracking each awakening of the specific simple impulse, and 
correlating that to forming a complex pattern. That is what I want 
to watch for. 

My experience is more along the lines of exclaiming, and I 
quote, Wow, that was really cool! Wow! That felt great- like a 
shower or something!. Ah, the profundities of awakening... 
 :-)




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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dangers of Pseudo-advaita

2005-10-03 Thread Alex Stanley
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
 
 On 10/3/05 11:06 AM, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  
  Perhaps we should start a beer company: Satsang Beer -- the
  beer that transmits the true non-dual state.
 
 How would we get it to stay in the bottle?

By using Kline Bottles. 

http://www.kleinbottle.com/kline_bottle.htm

Alex




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Dangers of Pseudo-Advaita

2005-10-03 Thread eptfnj
 The crux of your inquiry seems to be not so much how do we know we 
 are enlightened, but how do we share that or convince others that 
 we are?

What about - is there such a state labelled Enlightenment
and is it worthwhile attaining it? Forget about the
entertainment of lights, energy and sleep witnessing.


 First, anyone with a thirst to let others know how enlightened they 
 are is mired in deep ignorance, and is either expoliting their 
 followers, or has self-esteem issues.

Same with money, sex, fame...etc. 

 
 How do we convince others that we are enlightened? It has always 
 worked for me on a frequency level, like a radio. Whenever I am in 
 the presence of someone enlightened, my body resonates at that 
 frequency of Wholeness. it is simple, obvious and unmistakable. 

The same can be said to happen when in proximity to charimatic, 
wealthy and attractice people too. 
Just some more subjective stuff arising from feelings etc..


 As far as my own criteria for my own enlightenment, it has always 
 been a simple one; how much am I enjoying myself, or suffering? 
 Gets rid of the BS right away. ...And I've never had much success 
 convincing myself that if only external element A -Z were changed, 
 I'd be happier.

Now, THATS a viewpoint that has merit.











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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dangers of Pseudo-advaita

2005-10-03 Thread eptfnj

 
 Some members of our Satsang in Fairfield were laughing about THAT 
 just the other day! Brahman Brew -- for its full-bodied flavor.

Brahman Beer

What can you say about it?
Not this, not this.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dangers of Pseudo-advaita

2005-10-03 Thread akasha_108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley
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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  
  
  On 10/3/05 11:06 AM, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   
   Perhaps we should start a beer company: Satsang Beer -- the
   beer that transmits the true non-dual state.
  
  How would we get it to stay in the bottle?
 
 By using Kline Bottles. 
 
 http://www.kleinbottle.com/kline_bottle.htm
 
 Alex

Fantastic stuff. thanks

Feel free to post links to your other kewl stuff.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Dangers of Pseudo-Advaita

2005-10-03 Thread akasha_108
And I've never had much success 
  convincing myself that if only external element A -Z were changed, 
  I'd be happier.

So you would not be happier if people stopped, in your view, dissing
the ballsy Rory? (even when in reality its all back and forth fun).




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Dangers of Pseudo-advaita

2005-10-03 Thread Vaj



On 10/3/05 2:11 PM, eptfnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Brahman Beer
 
 What can you say about it?
 Not this, not this.

The Hangover that Lasts Forever

The Beer to Have When You're Having More Than None




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Dangers of Pseudo-advaita

2005-10-03 Thread Rick Archer
on 10/3/05 1:05 PM, Alex Stanley at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On 10/3/05 11:06 AM, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
 Perhaps we should start a beer company: Satsang Beer -- the
 beer that transmits the true non-dual state.

I had my first beer in about 40 years the other day. Kirk bought a 6-pack to
drink while he was cooking, and I had an entire beer. Really dark colored.
Hardly noticed any effect. I had just cut the grass so I was hot and
dehydrated. Maybe that's why.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Dangers of Pseudo-Advaita

2005-10-03 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, eptfnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  The crux of your inquiry seems to be not so much how do we know we 
  are enlightened, but how do we share that or convince others that 
  we are?
 
 What about - is there such a state labelled Enlightenment
 and is it worthwhile attaining it? Forget about the
 entertainment of lights, energy and sleep witnessing.
snip

Yes, Yes, Yes!!! The whole object of the exercise as I see it is two 
fold; to establish ourselves in a permanent state of non-changing 
existence, and therefore eliminate suffering. Everything else is 
either getting there, or enjoying it.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Dangers of Pseudo-advaita

2005-10-03 Thread akasha_108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 on 10/3/05 1:05 PM, Alex Stanley at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  On 10/3/05 11:06 AM, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  
  Perhaps we should start a beer company: Satsang Beer -- the
  beer that transmits the true non-dual state.
 
 I had my first beer in about 40 years the other day. Kirk bought a
6-pack to drink while he was cooking, and I had an entire beer. 

Rick starts down that dark slippery slope.

I say we got trouple, trouple, right here in FF City. We got Trouble,
Trouble, with a Capitol T that rhymes with P that stands for Pool! (or
Purusha)

(apologies to the Music Man)




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Dangers of Pseudo-Advaita

2005-10-03 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 And I've never had much success 
   convincing myself that if only external element A -Z were 
changed, 
   I'd be happier.
 
 So you would not be happier if people stopped, in your view, dissing
 the ballsy Rory? (even when in reality its all back and forth fun).

Good question. Sure, I experience transient desires and their 
fulfillment, or lack thereof, and associate feelings with those 
experiences. That is a joy of being alive!

In fact I am more fully engage in the transient events of my life than 
I ever was before, paradoxically. 

It just doesn't go all that deep. Nor would I stake my identity on the 
conformance on nonconformance of some percieved outside element in my 
life. Rather, the challenge is always to integrate myself with that 
preceived outside element.

Hope that answers your question. 




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[FairfieldLife] Yoga Laugh

2005-10-03 Thread Rick Archer
http://www.stupidvideos.com/Default.asp?VideoID=1006





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[FairfieldLife] We Got Trouble, Trouble, We Got Poor Vastu Right Here in FF City!

2005-10-03 Thread akasha_108
We Got Trouble, Trouble, We Got Poor VAstu Right Here in FF City!

Harold:

Well, either you're closing your eyes
To a situation you do now wish to acknowledge
Or you are not aware of the caliber of disaster indicated
By the presence of a south facing enterances in your community.
Ya got trouble, my friend, right here,
I say, trouble right here in FF City.
Why sure I'm a householder,
Certainly mighty proud I say
I'm always mighty proud to say it.
I consider that the hours I spend
With a paintbrush in my hand are golden.
Help you cultivate horse sense
And a cool head and a keen eye.
Never take and try to give
An iron-clad leave to yourself
From a three-barbeque flip shot?
But just as I say,
It takes judgement, brains, and maturity to score
In the household game,
I say that any boob kin take
And shove a ball in a pocket (so to speak).
And they call that sloth.
The first big step on the road
To the depths of deg-ra-Day--
I say, first, medicinal wine from a teaspoon,
Then beer from a bottle!!! (Look at Rick)

An' the next thing ya know,
Your son is sneaking back home late
Through a south facing window.
And list'nin to some big out-a-town Jasper
Hearin' him tell about horse-race gamblin'.
Not a wholesome trottin' race, no!
But a race where they set down right on the horse!
Like to see some stuck-up jockey'boy
Sittin' on Dan Patch? Make your blood boil?
Well, I should say.
Friends, lemme tell you what I mean.
Ya got one, two, three, four, five, six entrances to consider.
Doors that mark the diff'rence
Between a gentlemen and a bum,
With a capital B,
And that rhymes with P and that stands for Poor Vastu!
And all week long your FF City
Youth'll be frittern away,
I say your young men'll be frittern!
Frittern away their noontime, suppertime, choretime too!
Walkin  through south facing doors
Never mind gittin' Dandelions pulled
Or the screen door patched or the beefsteak pounded.
Never mind pumpin' any water
'Til your parents are caught with the Cistern empty
On a Saturday night and that's trouble,
Oh, yes we got lots and lots a' trouble.
I'm thinkin' of the kids in the knickerbockers,
Shirt-tail young ones, peekin' in the non-vastu
Halls of iniquity after school, look, folks!
Right here in FFr City.
Trouble with a capital T
And that rhymes with P and that stands for poor Vastu!
Now, I know all you folks are the right kinda parents.
I'm gonna be perfectly frank.
Would ya like to know what kinda conversation goes
On while they're loafin' around that Hall?
They're tryin' to out Bevon, tryin' out cubebs,
Tryin' out Tailor Mades like Cigarette Feends!
And braggin' all about
How they're gonna cover up a tell-tale breath with Sen-Sen.
One fine night, they leave the poor vastu hall,
Headin' for the dance at the Arm'ry!
Libertine men and Scarlet women!
And Rag-time, shameless music
That'll grab your son and your daughter
With the arms of a jungle animal instink!
Mass-staria!
Friends, the idle brain is the devil's playground!

People:
Trouble, oh we got trouble,
We go poor Vastu
Right here in FF City!
With a capital T
That rhymes with P
And that stands for Poor VAstu,
We've surely got trouble!
Right here in FF City,
Right here!
Gotta figger out a way
To keep the young ones moral after school!
Trouble, trouble, trouble, trouble, trouble...

Harold:
Mothers of FF City!
Heed the warning before it's too late!
Watch for the tell-tale sign of corruption!
The moment your son leaves the house,
Does he rebuckle his knickerbockers below the knee?
Is there a nicotine stain on his index finger?
A dime novel hidden in the corn crib?
Is he starting to memorize jokes from Capt.
Billy's Whiz Bang?
Are certain words creeping into his conversation?
Words like 'swell?
And 'so's your old man?
Well, if so my friends,
Ya got trouble,
Right here in FF city!
With a capital T
And that rhymes with P
And that stands for Poor VAstu!
We've surely got trouble!
Right here in FF City!
Remember the Maine, Plymouth Rock and the Golden Rule!
Oh, we've got trouble.
We're in terrible, terrible trouble.
That game with the inappropriate facing walls is a devil's tool!
Oh yes we got trouble, trouble, trouble!
With a T! Gotta rhyme it with P!
And that stands for Poor VAstu!!!





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[FairfieldLife] Re :Cannot Judge - Maharishi or Hagelin

2005-10-03 Thread Jason Spock













 

Hari Om,
 How can you be So cruel.?? There is absolutely no evidence to indcate that Ramana was a transvesite or had commited indescretions. This is a complex topic

 With, Jai Guru Dev,

Jason

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Ramana Maharshi committed indiscretions??
Oh, really? Ramana was a man dressing as a woman,or a woman dressing as a man?
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 Maybe this was just to cover his own indiscretions?

 Well, not really. In western terms he was a transvestite.
Ramana used to dress to appear as a women--most likely as part of his sadhana. Transvestites are sacred to the Goddess and a welcome sight to bless weddings in India.
The original post should have had an obligatory smiley.


 


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[FairfieldLife] Re: Dangers of Pseudo-Advaita

2005-10-03 Thread TurquoiseB
  First, anyone with a thirst to let others know how enlightened they 
  are is mired in deep ignorance, and is either expoliting their 
  followers, or has self-esteem issues.

I'd say that anyone who *cares* how enlightened someone
other than him- or herself is is wasting a lot of energy they
could be using to either help other people or have fun or both.






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[FairfieldLife] Interesting guy

2005-10-03 Thread jim_flanegin
Turned on the TV at random in Hawaii recently and saw this guy, Eli 
Jaxson-Bear, speaking. Hadn't heard of him before, as I 
don't 'collect' teachers. He says some interesting things, though:

I was not drawn to a spiritual life initially. Personal awakening 
never interested me. Like most people, I just wanted to be happy, 
which meant that I wanted everyone to love me and do what I wanted 
them to do and to be free to do whatever I wanted to do. And like 
most everyone else, I was not successful at this. So even though I 
had loving parents and a comfortable upper middle-class life, I was 
miserable and I made those around me miserable. A typical neurotic 
childhood. 

In 1965, I was drawn into the civil rights movement as a first-year 
college student, and I loved the thrill of fighting for freedom. It 
made me feel very alive. So I became interested in stopping the 
suffering in the world. I never considered stopping my own 
suffering. I always saw the suffering as out there, and I would do 
something to change it. Also, I never saw my part in creating 
suffering. Suffering was always created by others: racists, 
capitalists, corporations. In this way, I denied my own part and 
also did not look at the root causes of my own suffering. This is 
the immaturity that precedes the spiritual search.

In my attempts to stop the suffering in the world I was tested, as 
everyone is tested. How far was I willing to sacrifice my own 
comfort, my own career, my own pleasures for what I said I truly 
wanted? In this testing, if you stay true to something more 
important than your own immediate self-interest, there is a 
maturing, a ripening. This is the spiritual path, whether it is 
called spiritual or not.

The spiritual path is the willingness to confront yourself. To 
examine yourself and expose the lies that you have been telling 
yourself to justify doing whatever it is that you want to do. This 
is a painful, humiliating process and very uncomfortable. The 
temptation is to sit and meditate 20 minutes a day and call it a 
spiritual life; to have sex and call it tantra and make believe it 
is spiritual. True spirituality means ruthless self­-examination and 
the deepening of a willingness to bear whatever it takes to stay 
true. This is a natural ripening that leads to finding the true 
teacher.

Note: He goes on to describe the 'true teacher' as the Self. Also 
appears to be familiar with Papaji, who was mentioned earlier.

for more:
http://www.leela.org/library/interviews/connections97.html





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[FairfieldLife] Re: New Artilce- David Lynch- Link included- good one!! funny

2005-10-03 Thread bbrigante
http://www.washingtonsquarenews.com/news/campus/9905.html





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[FairfieldLife] Re: THE FUTURE OF MALE-FEMALE RELATIONSHIPS Part II

2005-10-03 Thread Jason Spock










 

 
 









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Shirley Maclaine prefers dogs to menMonday October 3 2005 17:30 IST 
ANI
WASHINGTON: Hollywood legend Shirley MacLaine claims that her pet pooch Terry has been instrumental in taking her mind off men.The 71-year-old actress, whose marriage to producer Steve Parker ended in divorce in 1982, insists she'd much rather spend time with her dog than be in the arms of a man.MacLaine, who had recently announced that she was on the lookout for a toyboy to satisfy her needs reveals that she has changed her mind now," she was quoted by Contactmusic,as saying. "I've got better things to do than have another love affair. I look at my dog, and I think the more I know of men, the more I love my dog," The actress is convinced she knew her pet in a previous life and was desperate to share the pooch's "views" with her fans, leading the pair to "co-write" the book Out On a Leash, Exploring Reality and Love.In MacLaine's chapter she
 discusses how Terry has helped her feel more centred.

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 THE FUTURE OF MALE-FEMALE RELATIONSHIPS Part II
Rasa Von WerderWWW.WomanThouArtGod.comSeptember 29, 2005
Outline of Themes
I. The relationships of female to female will change. There will be more open lesbian liaisons and also, women will bond in order to work together. No more scratching each other's eyes out because we are an oppressed group scrambling for the resources controlled by men. 

 
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Hymn of the Gambler, line by line, just for fun

2005-10-03 Thread cardemaister
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  Rgveda X 34, 1a
  
  prAvepÁ mA bRható mAdayanti...
  (pada-pATha: prAvepAH; mA; bRhataH; mAdayanti)
  
  The dangling ones (pravepAH) of
  the lofty [tree] (bRhataH) gladden
  (mAdayanti) me (mA)
 
 1b
 
 pravAtejÁ íriNe várRtAnAH
 (pravAte'jAH; iriNe; varvRtAnAH)
 
 [those] born in a windy place 
 (pravAtejAH)
 as they roll (rolling: varvRtAnAH)
 on the dice-board (iriNe)

1c

sómasyeva maujavatásya bhakSó
(somasya; iva; mauja'vatasya; bhakSaH)

Like (iva) the draught (bhakSaH) of
the soma (somasya) from Mount Muujavant
(maujavatasya)

1d

vibhÍdako jÁgRvir máhyam achAn
(vibhIdakaH; jAgRviH; mahyam; achAn)

the enlivening (jAgRviH) vibhIdaka
(vibhIdakaH) has pleased (achAn) me 
(mahyam; actually dative: for me)




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting guy

2005-10-03 Thread akasha_108
jim_flanegin 
[quoting other]
 The spiritual path is the willingness to confront yourself. To 
 examine yourself and expose the lies that you have been telling 
 yourself to justify doing whatever it is that you want to do. This 
 is a painful, humiliating process and very uncomfortable. ...True 
 spirituality means ruthless self­-examination and the deepening of a 
 willingness to bear whatever it takes to stay true.

All this is good and fine. But what is the difference with long term
psycho-analysis or other traditional -- somewhat looked down upon
methods. Or simple building a strong character. ruthless
self­-examination and the deepening of a willingness to bear whatever
it takes to stay true could be the description of many protagonists
in much literature, drama and film.




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[FairfieldLife] Roy Horn using TM to recover

2005-10-03 Thread bbrigante
http://asia.news.yahoo.com/051002/ap/d8cvulgo0.html

Roy Horn says the magic is back. But two years after he was nearly 
killed by a tiger on stage, the magic is about walking short 
distances, not making elephants disappear. 

I meditate a lot, but I am constantly in pain, Horn, of the famed 
duo Siegfried  Roy, told the Las Vegas Sun. I'm trying to live 
with this. 





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re :Cannot Judge - Maharishi or Hagelin

2005-10-03 Thread Vaj
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re :Cannot Judge - Maharishi or Hagelin





Smile, its alright. Transvestites are sacredesp. to those worshipping the goddess, as its the perfect way for them to complete their identification with Her. Its the fault of western repressive mores that we dont welcome this holy practice as part of the divine scheme of things. 


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Hari Om,
 How can you be So cruel.?? There is absolutely no evidence to indcate that Ramana was a transvesite or had commited indescretions. This is a complex topic

With, Jai Guru Dev,







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[FairfieldLife] Danger - Cow's Milk Causes Diabetes

2005-10-03 Thread Jason Spock













 





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Milk  diabetes Thursday September 29 2005 16:36 IST Maneka Gandhi
Diabetes is the fastest growing health problem in the world. Type 1 diabetes is the most common kind of diabetes among children but it also appears in adulthood and patients must take daily injections of insulin for the rest of their lives. The pancreas is an organ that makes digestive juices and hormones. It produces hormones, like insulin, which regulate the use and storage of the body’s main energy sources, sugar and fats in the cells. The insulin-producing cells are called beta cells. To understand its prevention, you have to understand type-1 diabetes. Type 1 diabetes is the result of the body attacking and destroying its own insulin producing beta cells in the pancreas. When these beta cells are destroyed, the body
 cannot produce insulin. Type 1 diabetes is diagnosed. When the body can’t make insulin after a meal there is no insulin to open the sugar doors in the cells so the sugar cannot get into the cells. So the sugar accumulates n the blood and the blood sugar level gets much higher than it should. But the cells are starving to death in a sea of sugar. So they start to burn proteins and fats instead of sugar for energy, releasing toxins called ketones, which makes the blood acidic. So the person needs injections of insulin to open the doors and let the sugar into the cells for every meal they eat. This is type 1 diabetes. Diabetes is neither a bacteria nor a virus nor any attacking cell. It is simply the name given to the process in which the body attacks its own beta cells. The obvious question, then, is: Why would the human body attack its own pancreas and destroy those beta cells the keep the body alive? All scientific research points its finger repeatedly at cow’s
 milk. How does the body’s immune system work? Your immune system is your body’s police force. It is their job to protect you from your enemies, bacteria, viruses, cancer cells, anything that is not part of your normal body. When a baby is born it has a weak immature immune system. The mother’s immune system identifies bacteria and viruses and secretes antibodies to counter them. These antibodies are special protein molecules that are coded for a specific virus or bacteria. Her body supplies these antibodies in her breast milk. These antibodies, made of protein, pass through the stomach undigested and are absorbed through the intestinal wall intact right into the baby’s blood. The cow’s proteins, meant for her baby calf, are fed to our children. We are releasing whole intact cow proteins into our children’s blood. However some maturing immune systems recognize that these cow proteins don’t belong in the human body and so they start to make antibodies against them. The immune
 system directs its immune cells, called T-cells to find and destroy these trespassers. How can this cause type 1 diabetes? Some children’s beta cells make proteins that are very similar to certain proteins found in cow’s milk. If they become allergic to cow protein then because their own beta cells are so similar their immune systems become confused and attack not only the foreign cow-milk proteins, but also the insulin-producing beta cells of the pancreas. Research studies have shown that all people with type 1 diabetes have developed high levels of these particular antibodies. When the beta cells are gone, the body can’t make insulin anymore. What is the proof of what top scientists say all over the world? The incidence of type 1 diabetes in different countries directly correlates to the per capita consumption of dairy products in these countries. Those countries that drink little milk have a low incidence of type 1 diabetes. As the consumption of dairy products in
 a country increases so does the incidence of type 1 diabetes. According to the October issue of Diabetes, early exposure to cow’s milk may increase the lifetime risk of developing diabetes in infants with relatives who had diabetes. At 3 months of age, infants fed cow’s milk had a significantly higher immune response to cow insulin than infants who received the other formula or were breast-fed. The link between drinking cow’s milk during infancy and the risk of developing diabetes has been strengthened by a study by researchers of the University of Helsinki who reported the findings in San Diego at the 59th Annual Scientific Sessions of the American Diabetes Association. Immunologists found as soon as cow’s milk entered the body, the immune system would attack pancreas islet cells that make human insulin, which resembles bovine insulin, and would produce antibodies. At 2 years of age, 10 of 89 children getting cows’ milk had type I diabetes. Johns Hopkins Hospital
 for Sick Children in Toronto has reported similar findings. The evidence incriminating cow-milk consumption in the cause of type 1 diabetes is sufficient to cause the American Academy of Pediatrics to issue this warning, “Early 

[FairfieldLife] Chandi Path MP3's posted

2005-10-03 Thread benjaminccollins
Navaratri is starting tomorrow.  I tis a holiday in honor of the
goddess as Divine Mother.  It is traditional to recite or listen to
Chandi Path during this time.  

I have posted the entire Chandi Path in four MP3's on www.puja.net. 
You'll see a link under the What's New section on the left side of
the main page.  You can listen on-line or download.  Each file is
about 11 MB.

Chandi Path is the 700 verse story of Durga and is considered to be
one long mantra.  It is something of a tradition to listen to it
during Navaratri as a way of connecting with the Divine Mother.

Chandi Path comes from the Markandeya Purana and dates at around 900
BC.  The rendition that I have posted is quite nicely done; not too
fast and the sanskrit is clear.  I have also posted a transliteration
of the text.

Enjoy!






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[FairfieldLife] train noise abatement

2005-10-03 Thread bbrigante
http://tinyurl.com/a2t7u

Fairfield decided not to spend the money to reduce train noise -- if 
trains speed up, it wouldn't have helped anyway../




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[FairfieldLife] more Lynch tour

2005-10-03 Thread bbrigante
http://tinyurl.com/dhdel




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re :Cannot Judge - Maharishi or Hagelin

2005-10-03 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re :Cannot Judge - Maharishi or Hagelin





on 10/3/05 3:46 PM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Smile, its alright. Transvestites are sacredesp. to those worshipping the goddess, as its the perfect way for them to complete their identification with Her. Its the fault of western repressive mores that we dont welcome this holy practice as part of the divine scheme of things. 

I seem to recall some instance in which Amma had some guys dress up in dresses and dance before an audience. Ego busting technique I guess. I didnt see it but I heard about it.






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Interesting guy

2005-10-03 Thread Rick Archer
on 10/3/05 3:14 PM, jim_flanegin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Turned on the TV at random in Hawaii recently and saw this guy, Eli
 Jaxson-Bear, speaking. Hadn't heard of him before, as I
 don't 'collect' teachers. He says some interesting things, though:

This guy is Gangaji's husband.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Danger - Cow's Milk Causes Diabetes

2005-10-03 Thread bbrigante
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 Milk  diabetes 
 Thursday September 29 2005 16:36 IST 
 
 Maneka Gandhi
 
 
SNIP
 According to the October issue of Diabetes, early exposure to 
cow's milk may increase the lifetime risk of developing diabetes in 
infants with relatives who had diabetes. At 3 months of age, infants 
fed cow's milk had a significantly higher immune response to cow 
insulin than infants who received the other formula or were breast-
fed. 
SNIP 


It makes sense that using cow's milk instead of breast-feeding would 
cause health problems in infancy, but diabetics are not advised to 
avoid milk later in life:

http://www.diabetes.org/nutrition-and-recipes/nutrition/milk.jsp






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting guy

2005-10-03 Thread eptfnj


 All this is good and fine. But what is the difference with long term
 psycho-analysis or other traditional -- somewhat looked down upon
 methods. Or simple building a strong character. ruthless
 self­-examination and the deepening of a willingness to bear whatever
 it takes to stay true could be the description of many protagonists
 in much literature, drama and film.

ruthless self-examination could be considered a means
to see clearly. This is sometimes called the path of attention
and a very steep climb. Its value may be the direct engagement
of those obstacles, addictions, affectations etc that clog the
processes of cognition.

Maybe, a person that completely lets go on the path of effortlessness
and transcends all mental machinations truly attends to what is.

Maybe is the key word.
Attention with strain is just another binding mental influence.
Expending effort to be effortless is simply absurd.














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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re :Cannot Judge - Maharishi or Hagelin

2005-10-03 Thread Vaj
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re :Cannot Judge - Maharishi or Hagelin






Beautiful! Or she could be testing to see whos ready for total identification with Ma...

I will post them if I have time later, there are entire groups of sadhus who dress as women as part of their sadhana.

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on 10/3/05 3:46 PM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Smile, its alright. Transvestites are sacredesp. to those worshipping the goddess, as its the perfect way for them to complete their identification with Her. Its the fault of western repressive mores that we dont welcome this holy practice as part of the divine scheme of things. 

I seem to recall some instance in which Amma had some guys dress up in dresses and dance before an audience. Ego busting technique I guess. I didnt see it but I heard about it. 








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Hymn of the Gambler, line by line, just for fun

2005-10-03 Thread cardemaister
 
 1c
 
 sómasyeva maujavatásya bhakSó
 (somasya; iva; mauja'vatasya; bhakSaH)
 
 Like (iva) the draught (bhakSaH) of
 the soma (somasya) from Mount Muujavant
 (maujavatasya)
 
 1d
 
 vibhÍdako jÁgRvir máhyam achAn
 (vibhIdakaH; jAgRviH; mahyam; achAn)
 
 the enlivening (jAgRviH) vibhIdaka
 (vibhIdakaH) has pleased (achAn) me 
 (mahyam; actually dative: for me)

2ab

ná mA mimetha, ná jihILa eSá:
shivÁ sákhibhya utá máhyam AsIt.
(na; mA; mimetha; na; jihILe; eSA;
shivA; sakhi'bhyaH; uta; mahyam; AsIt)

She (eSA) does not (na) scold (mimetha) 
me (mA),[she is] not (na) angry (jihIle):
[she] was (AsIt) kind (shivA) to friends 
(sakhibhyaH) and (uta) to me (mahyam).





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Peter Sutphen has passed away.

2005-10-03 Thread Vaj



On 10/3/05 10:18 AM, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Any drum circles folks out
 there? 

I haven't been in a drum circle for years, but those moments are memorable.
Also as a former Ft. Lauderdalian, I can appreciate the power of that place.
Some of the most incredible public siddhis I have seen were in drum circles
around an all night--dusk to dawn--bonfire. People handling coals with bare
hands, people going into deep trances and so on. Later as a practitioner of
the Chod--which was often done in lonely places at twilight--I would use a
drum and bell as a trance object and then, sometimes dozens of us, would
leave 'body' all at once. You want to talk about a drumming circle...whoa!
Highly recommended...




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[FairfieldLife] Re: more Lynch tour

2005-10-03 Thread off_world_beings
Did you notice the writer of the article has an interesting name.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Re :Cannot Judge - Maharishi or Hagelin

2005-10-03 Thread authfriend
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 I seem to recall some instance in which Amma had some guys dress up
 in dresses and dance before an audience. Ego busting technique I 
 guess.

Yes, how utterly humiliating for the men.

Do you think she uses the same ego-busting
technique with women, having them dress up
in pants and dance before an audience?





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