[FairfieldLife] Satsang Reports: Byron Katie Session Jan 25, 2003

2005-10-05 Thread akasha_108

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Byron Katie Session Jan 25, 2003
On Saturday, January 25th I attended what I'd call
Satsang-By-Any-Other-Name with Byron Katie. It was held at a posh
downtown San Francisco, sponsored by The Learning Annex.

In preparation for the big day, I'd read Loving What Is, read a few
Web interviews, and listened to a couple of commercial audio tapes of
sessions.

I arrived early and secured a front-row seat in the carpeted meeting
room (no floor seating with bring-your-own zabuton for this venue!). I
try to get front-row if possible for these things as I'm there
primarily to suck a toke off the energy pipeline, should the teacher
be unconsciously proffering any such.

About 85/15 female/male ratio in the final, full-room crowd of say 250
people that ultimately materialized. Not much in the way of stage,
setting, or props, just a leaflet table with flowers. A few
assistants/gophers and such scuttling about helping with setup,
registration, book-selling, etc.

As set of Inquiry worksheets had been placed on every seat, so most of
us filled out some issue (person/thing/self etc. that is hassling
your mind at this time, judge it harshly, state how the universe is
doing you wrong and what action needs to be taken post-haste to
rectify these unfortunates oversights on the part of What Is… you guys
know the drill!) So everybody prepped beforehand with that.

Buzz of excitement ripples through the crowed, in strolls Katie,
looking absolutely fabulous, all in black. I'd thought maybe the
obsessive re-use of that one single portrait/photo of  K on all her
published materials might be masking a gradual dissolution of the
physical shell (as it were), but NO ­ she looked great! Not much
make-up, looking as alert as a Lioness on the Serengeti (are there any
left there actually?), she seemed a beautiful golden fish swimming
free through crystal waters …

She stood and walked-around the entire session, using her hand-held
mic for 3 hours straight with one single 15-minute break Though I do
try to be sensitive to energy emanation, in this particular case, I
did not feel any specially strong field-radiation from Katie. Not a
criticism, as I suppose that's not on her menu anyway. Just a side note.

I do know that  K has publicly dialoged with Advaitatistical adepts
(who sometimes do have an energetic or palpable wake-up-clarion type
of physicalized effect on people, as Ramana did) and apparently there
was found to be some commonality between them, you can refer to the
interviews with K in Emerging Spiritual Teachers and The Awakening
West for more on that.

She thanked us warmly for coming, in a strong and pleasant
Southern-California-housewifely vocal manner. Definitely a no-nonsense
person however, despite the warm and pleasant persona, no small talk,
no jokes, just let's get it on.

She gave us another few minutes to finish our worksheets, then called
on about 7 people in a row to read the first line of their issues ­ 
I need [---] to stop [--]. Usual stuff I suppose, I
need Phil to be more attracted to me I need my mother to stop lying
I need my boss to stop defaming me, etc. The minutia of Earth-Plane
existence, but apparently nettling these people to a considerable
degree. Only the first line was read, then onto the next claimant.

Then it was time to go in depth. Apparent random selection of raised
hands, to get down to The Work. First  to plunge in was a lady sore at
her Mom for being a pathological liar. Ho hum, all in a day's work. K
easily blew that one away... I need my Mom to lie to me I need to
stop lying to myself Etc.

Next one was more interesting ­ a young-ish, intense-looking woman who
made the following subtle linguistic point re one aspect of K's work ­
the definition of the word should. For example, when you say to K,
My mother should not lie to me, she will ask Does she lie to you ?
Yes Well then is it true what you said: `my mother should not lie
to me' ? Yes. Does she lie ? Yes Well then what's the reality
? She's lying to you! So, it isn't true to say she shouldn't lie to
you, because she IS lying to you ­ that's reality! This young lady
made the point that should and is are distinguished in normal
meaning. What should be can be held separate from what is, in the
normal usage of these words. But to K, the word should simply does
not exist. So there can be a slight linguistic confusion, for those
under the sway of language…

Anyway, after trying to talk around THAT for a few minutes, this young
woman opened up that she had been brutally beaten throughout her
childhood by her father, and was having trouble freeing her mind from
bitterness moving on. The woman also too issue with statements that
appear on K's audio tape, to a woman who'd suffered childhood sexual
abuse, that the child had been, in a very small part, responsible or
provocative.

Too much to go into here, but it was a long (40 minutes or so) and
intense exchange ­ quite fascinating. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dangers of Pseudo-Advaita

2005-10-05 Thread sparaig
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  snip
   Completely agree.  The TM philosophy -- Do nothing, 
   accomplish everything -- is horseshit and always has
   been.
  
  Obviously Do nothing, accomplish everything is NOT
  a philosophy of refraining from action.  I believe
  I may have pointed this out to you before.  It isn't
  a PREscription for how to live; it's a DEscription of
  life in enlightenment.
  
  The prescription for how to live is: Established
  in Yoga, perform action.
 
 Curious how Maharishi recognized the problem of the teacher's words 
 coming from his/her consciousness and being (mis)interpreted by 
 his/her adherents' consciousness, yet fell prey to it just the 
same. 
 I.e. Do nothing, accomplish everything, which is the subjective 
 experience of the objective statement, established in Yoga, 
perform 
 action.

Of course, he also says over and over again, there are two steps of 
progress: rest and activity.




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[FairfieldLife] Re :This Shining Moment in the Now

2005-10-05 Thread Jason Spock













 

 "If it falls your lot to be a street sweeper, sweep streets like Michelangelo painted pictures, like Shakespeare wrote poetry, like Beethoven composed music; sweep streets so well that all the host of Heaven and Earth will have to pause and say,"Here lived a great sweeper, who swept his job well "
- Martin Luther King, Jr., Facing The Challenge Of A New Age, In Philosophy 

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 From: The Writer's Almanac with Garrison Keillor
Broadcast on WSUI (and elsewhere) September 26
Poem: "This Shining Moment in the Now" by David Budbill, from While We've Still Got Feet © Copper Canyon Press. Reprinted with permission.
 This Shining Moment in the Now
 When I work outdoors all day, every day, as I do now, in the fall, getting ready for winter, tearing up the garden, digging potatoes, gathering the squash, cutting firewood, making kindling, repairing bridges over the brook, clearing trails in the woods, doing the last of the fall mowing, pruning apple trees, taking down the screens, putting up the storm windows, banking the house—all these things,as preparation for the coming cold...
 when I am every day all day all body and no mind, when I am physically, wholly and completely, in this world with the birds, the deer, the sky, the wind, the trees...
 when day after day I think of nothing but what the next chore is, when I go from clearing woods roads, to sharpening a chain saw, to changing the oil in a mower, to stacking wood, when I am all body and no mind...
 when I am only here and now and nowhere else—then, and only then, do I see the crippling power of mind, the curse of thought, and I pause and wonder why I so seldom find this shining moment in the now.

 


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Satsang Reports: Byron Katie Session Jan 25, 2003

2005-10-05 Thread Vaj



On 10/4/05 11:11 PM, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I noted that K
 has said (earlier this session, and in other interviews) that you
 don't need to do any Work on thoughts that are pleasant, let those be,
 enjoy them, just Work on the nasty stuff. I said that I've heard
 elsewhere that ALL thoughts and mind chatter, even if pleasant, are
 held to block us somehow from direct perception of the present moment
 radiating Reality all around us, and therefore there are those who
 advocate stomping the little suckers be they nice or be they nasty.

Wow, that's a pretty blatant contradiction of the advaita View, and is quite
telling. Apparently the Work is still within accepting and rejecting. 




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[FairfieldLife] Re :This Shining Moment in the Now

2005-10-05 Thread tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis
  If it falls your lot to be a street sweeper, sweep streets like
Michelangelo painted pictures, like Shakespeare wrote poetry, like
Beethoven composed music; sweep streets so well that all the host of
Heaven and Earth will have to pause and say,Here lived a great
sweeper, who swept his job well 
- Martin Luther King, Jr., Facing The Challenge Of A New Age, In
Philosophy 

Tom T:
It is important to remember that this is a Description not a
Prescription. When it happens to us we then know it as the Description
of our experience. Having heard it we recognize it in the now and go Oh.




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[FairfieldLife] Gangaji Session Jan 26, 2003

2005-10-05 Thread akasha_108
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Gangaji  Session Jan 26, 2003

I went and visited Gangaji's satsang session yesterday, to check on
her vibes.

Very nice venue, Mill Valley (Marin County CA), a scenically situated
Recreation Center with a spacious and gracious architecture.

Fancy setup, with a kind of living-room or talk-show style mini-stage
set, everything professionally video taped with lighting setup etc.
Huge photo blow-ups of Papaji and Ramana flanking the front platform.
Flower, 2 comfy-looking chairs, with boom mikes positioned one for
each chair.

About 250 or up to 300 people in attendance, some down on the hard
wood floor - front  center - like me, the majority in fold-up chairs
behind.

About 60/40 women/men ratio I would say, more men than usual in any
kind of semi-New-Age-y event.

They let us in around 3:30 by 3:50 everybody was settled down, we
waited in silence until Gangaji entered quietly without any
ostentation via a side-door, pausing to remove her shoes at the
entrance. That was my first view of her.

Nice-looking lady, not at all over made-up as some have commented,
minimal or no make-up at all that I could see. Dressed simply and
attractively. White hair somewhat tousled. As I say, nice-looking, but
I had no immediate reaction as she lightly mounted the little stage
set platform and settled into a chair. She immediately closed her eyes
and just sat silently, so I and everybody else of course also just sat
silently, most with eyes closed.

I estimate that we sat for about 10 minutes like that. Towards that
end of that period (which was terminated by Gangaji opening her eyes,
stretching slightly and making a kind of soft purring noise or other
vocal indication of readiness), I distinctly perceive her very strong
energetic field, directly pressing against my aura. This resulted in a
curious rocking effect, as though something was gently nudging my
own energy field, retracting slightly, and nudging again, in a pulsing
rhythm, causing slight rocking of my physical body as I sat on the
floor in front (2nd row back) in seiza posture. At the same time, I
perceived a kind of solar wind effect of heat or blowing precisely
from her direction. This had not been apparent in the 30 mins I had
sat in same spot waiting before Gangaji's entrance, nor had I felt it
in the first couple of minutes of plain sitting quietly with G. on her
perch. It came on gradually towards the end of the quiet sitting intro
phase. I do not experience this energetic rocking or solar wind
effect during my normal shakti/ki bodywork and meditative activity,
though of course I experience many other typical Shakti effects on my
own. This was definitely perceptible as emanation from G herself. This
effect persisted throughout the Satsang until G's departure. I may
have looked a bit weird with that slight rocking, but it was strong
and definite. More interpretive comments about this at the end of this
note.

After stiring a bit, and gazing quietly around the room with a visual
sweep right-to-left / front-to-back, G opened with introductory
comments in a clear, strong, but otherwise unremarkable voice (though
kind of an odd combination of Texas and India in the accent)! She
spoke in a slow and measured cadence of her gratitude to us for coming
and what she hoped and presumed was our gratitude in having the chance
to be there. She mentioned that some people might have come in
devotion, and others in skepticism (telepathically picking up ~my
hopefully neutral but definitely non-devotee mentality?? ) 

More talk along these lines, gratitude, openness to the Nectar of
truth, Satsang and togetherness, etc. Just a few minutes of that.

Then the bulk of the Satsang consisted of G choosing an attendee
from among a few raised hands in the crowd, inviting such choos-ee
forward to the chair adjoining her own on the podium.

The first couple such choosee's were clearly hard-core, long-time
female devotees/attendee's. Absolutely totally and completely blissed
out. Not to criticize at all - this was touching to witness.
Definitely all such as those love G totally - body, mind and soul.
They stumbled about a bit with their words, but it was pretty much a
non-verbal exercise of Bliss Kiss anyway, G held their hand
throughout. Just talk about gratitude, progress, understanding
(finally! - seem to be the idea of it), and declarations of love for
the Guru (e.g. I am SO in love with you!) Again, it was touching,
played better than it sounds her. G absorbed it with panache, sincere
interest without any ego puffery that I could detect. G made some
encouraging comments along the lines That's beautiful, that's
reality, you have found yourself etc etc. Pretty generic lines,
really more New Age-y and less Advaitistic than I'd expected. Actually
G never once trotted out ANY of the harder-edged Advaita staples
screenplay such as Who do you think is experiencing this bliss? or
even What do you mean you love others now? There ARE no others! 

[FairfieldLife] Re: MM update in New Orleans

2005-10-05 Thread medwards520
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  10/4/05
  
  Friends,
  
  My staff has been down in New Orleans and on the Gulf Coast for 
  nearly a month now setting up and running our own relief effort with 
  Veterans for Peace..
   
  Yours,
  
  Michael Moore
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 The BBC did a big piece on the return, focussing on 
 to Bourbon Street. Piano tuners are hard at work,



 apparently. But one thing beats me. Why are there
 no charity concerts and CDs to support the home
 of the Blues?
 Uns.

I keep wondering why there's no Jazz nor Blues channel on
cable/satellite. Of course, I know about Bet's BET ON JAZZ, a
dedicated Jazz Channel, however, few can get it. There are new
channels that enter the cable/satellite lineup with no problem. When
it comes to Blues or Jazz, that's a different story. 

Peace,
Marc





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Dangers of Pseudo-Advaita

2005-10-05 Thread authfriend
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  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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  snip
   Completely agree.  The TM philosophy -- Do nothing, 
   accomplish everything -- is horseshit and always has
   been.
  
  Obviously Do nothing, accomplish everything is NOT
  a philosophy of refraining from action.  I believe
  I may have pointed this out to you before.  It isn't
  a PREscription for how to live; it's a DEscription of
  life in enlightenment.
 
 If that's how you interpret it, fine.

Just for the record, that's how MMY teaches it, not
just how I interpret it.

  But as
 a DEscription of life in enlightenment it's 
 horseshit, too.  IMO, of course.

Well, if you ever get to the point of life in
enlightenment, let us know what you find, 'K?


 
  The prescription for how to live is: Established
  in Yoga, perform action.
 
 Unless that action is Off The Program...  :-)




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Dangers of Pseudo-Advaita

2005-10-05 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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wrote:
  In this case, MMY started out with Do less and
  accomplish more, which was understood to be simply a
  claim of more efficient action as a result of TM
  practice.  Only later, apparently, did he add, Do
  nothing, accomplish everything--I'd guess in the
  context of the TM-Sidhis?
 
 You would guess wrong.  The phrase was already
 in vogue in 1967.

Both were current when I started TM in 1975, so I
couldn't say.  But I've heard TM teachers say that
at first it was just Do less and accomplish more.

Back in 1967, did you understand Do nothing and
accomplish everything to be a prescription to
refrain from acting?

That would have been when you were a TM teacher, no?

  --and it took on an entirely
  different significance.  It became clear that Do less
  and accomplish more had had a double meaning all along.
 
 As in doubletalk?  :-)

As in different meanings in different states of
attention.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dangers of Pseudo-Advaita

2005-10-05 Thread Vaj



On 10/5/05 8:57 AM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Both were current when I started TM in 1975, so I
 couldn't say.  But I've heard TM teachers say that
 at first it was just Do less and accomplish more.
 
 Back in 1967, did you understand Do nothing and
 accomplish everything to be a prescription to
 refrain from acting?
 
 That would have been when you were a TM teacher, no?

Do less and accomplish more would seem to be the standard injunction for
people in the householder ashrama who receive a householder ishta-devata
mantra. I mean, that's the idea of giving householders such mantras, they
get worldly boons from invoking their ishta. Thus it supports their role and
stage in life. That's all this is about, no? I think people read way too
much into these things.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Dangers of Pseudo-Advaita

2005-10-05 Thread TurquoiseB
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wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
   In this case, MMY started out with Do less and
   accomplish more, which was understood to be simply a
   claim of more efficient action as a result of TM
   practice.  Only later, apparently, did he add, Do
   nothing, accomplish everything--I'd guess in the
   context of the TM-Sidhis?
  
  You would guess wrong.  The phrase was already
  in vogue in 1967.
 
 Both were current when I started TM in 1975, so I
 couldn't say.  But I've heard TM teachers say that
 at first it was just Do less and accomplish more.
 
 Back in 1967, did you understand Do nothing and
 accomplish everything to be a prescription to
 refrain from acting?

Never.

HOWEVER, there was a STRONG injunction from 
the TM movement that certain TYPES of action
would not be condoned, if you were to continue
to be a TMer or TM teacher in good standing.

That included pretty much all forms of psycho-
therapy, any techniques taught by other traditions,
and went as far as techniques learned from books,
INCLUDING such things as self-analysis as has 
been discussed here.  Practices such as monitoring
one's thoughts or actions in the sense of mindful-
ness practice were definitely considered off the
program.  Since mindfulness IS the 'action' I now
feel is necessary to fully realize enlightenment, 
I guess you'd have to say that Yes, I believe that
there was a strong injunction to refrain from action.








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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dangers of Pseudo-Advaita

2005-10-05 Thread Peter


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snip
 
 And also when Maharishi speaks about being instantly
 enlightened 
 once we transcend for the first time. ...

I've never heard MMY say anything remotely close to
this. MMY always presented enlightenment from the
gradual school perspective: dying the cloth, etc..









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[FairfieldLife] Re: Dangers of Pseudo-Advaita

2005-10-05 Thread authfriend
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 On 10/5/05 8:57 AM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Both were current when I started TM in 1975, so I
  couldn't say.  But I've heard TM teachers say that
  at first it was just Do less and accomplish more.
  
  Back in 1967, did you understand Do nothing and
  accomplish everything to be a prescription to
  refrain from acting?
  
  That would have been when you were a TM teacher, no?
 
 Do less and accomplish more would seem to be the standard
 injunction for people in the householder ashrama who receive a 
 householder ishta-devata mantra. I mean, that's the idea of giving 
 householders such mantras, they get worldly boons from invoking 
 their ishta. Thus it supports their role and stage in life. That's 
 all this is about, no? I think people read way too much into these 
 things.

I'd say you're correct about Do less and accomplish
more.  On its own terms, it has a clear, uncomplicated
relative meaning.

But Do nothing and accomplish everything is obviously
*not* meant in a relative sense, so when MMY offers it
as a corollary to Do less and accomplish more, the
latter acquires a new, non-relative spin.  Now it refers
to the experience of increasing identification with the
Self: the greater the identification with the Self, the
Non-Doer, the greater the sense that I [the Self] do
not act at all.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Dangers of Pseudo-Advaita

2005-10-05 Thread authfriend
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  Back in 1967, did you understand Do nothing and
  accomplish everything to be a prescription to
  refrain from acting?
 
 Never.
 
 HOWEVER, there was a STRONG injunction from 
 the TM movement that certain TYPES of action
 would not be condoned, if you were to continue
 to be a TMer or TM teacher in good standing.

OK, so you understand Do nothing and accomplish
everything to mean Don't do A, B, or C if you
want to continue to be a TMer or TM teacher in
'good standing.'

But not even that has anything to do with what
MMY means by Do nothing and accomplish
everything.  It isn't any kind of injunction;
it isn't (as you had claimed) a philosophy. 

It's a simply a description (as I said) of what
one is said to experience in enlightenment, i.e.,
the constant experience of and identification with
the Self as the Non-Doer, while all the 
accomplishing is done by the gunas.

I've never encountered any TMer who has
understood it any other way, except you.





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[FairfieldLife] Satsang Reports: Byron Katie Session Jan 25

2005-10-05 Thread tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis
Vaj writes:
Wow, that's a pretty blatant contradiction of the advaita View, and is
quite telling. Apparently the Work is still within accepting and
rejecting. 

Tom T:
My experience, after spending a Friday night and two full days in her
company and process, is that the Work leads to the experience of
nonduality. Using the thorn to remove the thorn. It is not accepting
and rejecting it is using the power of the intellect and intuition to
realize that most everything we believe is just a belief and that
leaves one with the experience of not knowing the relative or neti
neti.Very Interesting. Tom




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Gross National Happiness

2005-10-05 Thread eptfnj
 Good idea!...Or you could just access the U.S. Department of 
 National Happiness website, and send in a request to have them 
 reboot the chip in eptfnj's head.

Or, people can take total responsibility for themselves.

Not good news for the big government left.









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[FairfieldLife] Re: Dangers of Pseudo-Advaita

2005-10-05 Thread eptfnj
 I think do nothing merely refers to the fact that the enlightened
 experience in a very real sense that they (the Self) are doing 
 nothing. The
 body and all the other faculties may be working hard, as Maharishi 
 always did, but there is the constant sense that I am not doing 
 anything, in fact, I am not even here.

This is more elightenment gibberish.

The experience of a still center within might be interesting
and different compared to other experiences but so what? Unless 
such an experience makes a measurable positive difference then 
its just more stuff. 

I am not here is an equally absurd declaration.

Calling all descriptions and fictions about oneself and/or
ones life not here should be obvious even to the average
Joe.











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Re: [FairfieldLife] Gangaji Session Jan 26, 2003

2005-10-05 Thread Vaj



On 10/5/05 8:26 AM, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 It
 was pretty much straight-forward New Age Love Bomb validation.

NALBV? Gotta love his sense of humor--very insightful description of the
neo-advaita trip.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Dangers of Pseudo-Advaita

2005-10-05 Thread jim_flanegin
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  And also when Maharishi speaks about being instantly
  enlightened 
  once we transcend for the first time. ...
 
 I've never heard MMY say anything remotely close to
 this. MMY always presented enlightenment from the
 gradual school perspective: dying the cloth, etc..

I'll see if I can find the reference.

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Dangers of Pseudo-Advaita

2005-10-05 Thread akasha_108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On 10/5/05 8:57 AM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   Both were current when I started TM in 1975, so I
   couldn't say.  But I've heard TM teachers say that
   at first it was just Do less and accomplish more.
   
   Back in 1967, did you understand Do nothing and
   accomplish everything to be a prescription to
   refrain from acting?
   
   That would have been when you were a TM teacher, no?
  
  Do less and accomplish more would seem to be the standard
  injunction for people in the householder ashrama who receive a 
  householder ishta-devata mantra. I mean, that's the idea of giving 
  householders such mantras, they get worldly boons from invoking 
  their ishta. Thus it supports their role and stage in life. That's 
  all this is about, no? I think people read way too much into these 
  things.

I always remember the two terms being used together -- back to 1967,
like Unc. I remember the latter phrase being a sort of punch line to
the former. M. would say Do less accomplish more. then pause, and
then say, drawing it out a bit Do () nothing ... and accomplish
... Every . Thing! It always got a big laugh.

Many catch phrases that M. used had 2-3 levels of meaning. For
example, Knowledge is Structured in Consciousness. The liviness of
meaning on multiple levels is what made these phrases good one liners,
funny, insightful. But not all levels of meaning were literal. 
 
 I'd say you're correct about Do less and accomplish
 more.  On its own terms, it has a clear, uncomplicated
 relative meaning.

The primary meaning of Do less and accomplish more per my take,
historically in hearing it live many times, was in relationship to the
bow and arrow analogy. A la .. 'We do a bit less, we take 20 min 2x,
to refresh the mind, etc. Though counter-intuitive, and sounding
paradoxical to stop action in order to achieve more, in practice it
actually works, we draw the arrow back, in the opposite direction of
achievement, and then let it go. We actually acheive more. Thus, we
do less (take a break from  activity and yet accomplish more (due to
the deep rest, clarity or mind, etc.)'

Subtler, seconday meanings, relate to the mind settling down ('doing
less', not in the sense that TM is doing, but in the sense of the
mind's activity becoming less. In that more subtle state of mind
funcioning, we gain more -- more happiness, clarity, etc. 
 
 But Do nothing and accomplish everything is obviously
 *not* meant in a relative sense, so when MMY offers it
 as a corollary to Do less and accomplish more, the
 latter acquires a new, non-relative spin.   Now it refers
 to the experience of increasing identification with the
 Self: the greater the identification with the Self, the
 Non-Doer, the greater the sense that I [the Self] do
 not act at all.

To you I am sure that's the case. That does not necessarily make that 
a universal connotation, or even M's intended meaning.

My take on the phrase was always, as I said, a punchline, a laugh
getter, for Do less and accomplish more. In that vein, it was not
meant to be a practical guidance, but a sort of funny word play. It
was funny because one knew M was NOT advocating meditate and then do
nothing. Its power was tied to the scondary meaning below.

Secondary meanings, which make it a rich and witty phrase, include
the capture the fort idea: do nothing, that is transcend the field of
activity and accomplish everything by capturing the fort, or
highest first.

A third level of meaning is what Judy suggests, and adds to the
multi-dimensional sparkle of the phrase. But to be honest, in hearing
M say it live many times, I did not, and most others it appeared to me
-- from the group vibe and laugh -- seem much focussed on this third
level of meaning.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Dangers of Pseudo-Advaita

2005-10-05 Thread akasha_108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 
 But not even that has anything to do with what
 MMY means by Do nothing and accomplish
 everything.  It isn't any kind of injunction;
 it isn't (as you had claimed) a philosophy. 

That is true.

 
 It's a simply a description (as I said) of what
 one is said to experience in enlightenment, i.e.,
 the constant experience of and identification with
 the Self as the Non-Doer, while all the 
 accomplishing is done by the gunas.
 
 I've never encountered any TMer who has
 understood it any other way, except you.

Well, include me in the list who did not have your take (Judy's) as
the primary meaning of the phrase (see adjacent post).




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Dangers of Pseudo-Advaita

2005-10-05 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   On 10/5/05 8:57 AM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
Both were current when I started TM in 1975, so I
couldn't say.  But I've heard TM teachers say that
at first it was just Do less and accomplish more.

Back in 1967, did you understand Do nothing and
accomplish everything to be a prescription to
refrain from acting?

That would have been when you were a TM teacher, no?
   
   Do less and accomplish more would seem to be the standard
   injunction for people in the householder ashrama who receive a 
   householder ishta-devata mantra. I mean, that's the idea of
   giving householders such mantras, they get worldly boons from 
   invoking their ishta. Thus it supports their role and stage in 
   life. That's all this is about, no? I think people read way too 
   much into these things.
 
 I always remember the two terms being used together -- back to 1967,
 like Unc. I remember the latter phrase being a sort of punch line to
 the former. M. would say Do less accomplish more. then pause, and
 then say, drawing it out a bit Do () nothing ... and accomplish
 ... Every . Thing! It always got a big laugh.
 
 Many catch phrases that M. used had 2-3 levels of meaning. For
 example, Knowledge is Structured in Consciousness.

Or Reincarnation is for the ignorant.

 The liviness of
 meaning on multiple levels is what made these phrases good one 
 liners, funny, insightful. But not all levels of meaning were 
 literal. 
  
  I'd say you're correct about Do less and accomplish
  more.  On its own terms, it has a clear, uncomplicated
  relative meaning.
 
 The primary meaning of Do less and accomplish more per my take,
 historically in hearing it live many times, was in relationship to 
 the bow and arrow analogy. A la .. 'We do a bit less, we take 20 
 min 2x, to refresh the mind, etc. Though counter-intuitive, and 
 sounding paradoxical to stop action in order to achieve more, in 
 practice it actually works, we draw the arrow back, in the opposite 
 direction of achievement, and then let it go. We actually acheive 
 more. Thus, we do less (take a break from  activity and yet 
 accomplish more (due to the deep rest, clarity or mind, etc.)'

Sure.  I don't think that's incompatible with Vaj's take,
though, just more subtle, more abstractly expressed.
 
 Subtler, seconday meanings, relate to the mind settling down ('doing
 less', not in the sense that TM is doing, but in the sense of the
 mind's activity becoming less. In that more subtle state of mind
 funcioning, we gain more -- more happiness, clarity, etc. 
  
  But Do nothing and accomplish everything is obviously
  *not* meant in a relative sense, so when MMY offers it
  as a corollary to Do less and accomplish more, the
  latter acquires a new, non-relative spin.   Now it refers
  to the experience of increasing identification with the
  Self: the greater the identification with the Self, the
  Non-Doer, the greater the sense that I [the Self] do
  not act at all.
 
 To you I am sure that's the case. That does not necessarily make 
 that a universal connotation, or even M's intended meaning.
 
 My take on the phrase was always, as I said, a punchline, a laugh
 getter, for Do less and accomplish more.

Yup.  But I'd say it was so funny because it instantly
changed the meaning of Do less and accomplish more,
or instantly added a whole new level of meaning to it.

 In that vein, it was not
 meant to be a practical guidance, but a sort of funny word play. It
 was funny because one knew M was NOT advocating meditate and then 
 do nothing. Its power was tied to the scondary meaning below.

Right.

 Secondary meanings, which make it a rich and witty phrase, include
 the capture the fort idea: do nothing, that is transcend the field 
 of activity and accomplish everything by capturing the fort, or
 highest first.

Yup.

 A third level of meaning is what Judy suggests, and adds to the
 multi-dimensional sparkle of the phrase. But to be honest, in 
 hearing M say it live many times, I did not, and most others it 
 appeared to me -- from the group vibe and laugh -- seem much 
 focussed on this third level of meaning.

Well, it's been the understanding of most TMers
in *my* experience, although they also appreciated
the other levels.  Maybe it depends on the degree of
one's familiarity with I do not act at all from the
Gita and MMY's analysis thereof.

In any case, you confirm my main point, which is
that neither phrase means Do not engage in action,
on *any* level (including Do not engage in A, B, 
and C).  That would be an absurd misinterpretation,
given the number of genuine injunctions, PREscriptions
for action, such as Meditate and act, and the
unequivocal assertion by Krishna in the Gita that it's

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dangers of Pseudo-Advaita

2005-10-05 Thread TurquoiseB
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 I've never encountered any TMer who has
 understood it any other way, except you.

As we have established in the past, your 
experience in the TMO is fairly limited.  :-)

If you're hoping for an argument, you're not
going to get one.  






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[FairfieldLife] Fun link

2005-10-05 Thread TurquoiseB
http://www.c6.org/toogle/index.php?phrase=maharishi+mahesh+yogi

Once it's open, try typing in other names of famous people.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Dangers of Pseudo-Advaita

2005-10-05 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 I always remember the two terms being used together -- back to 1967,
 like Unc. I remember the latter phrase being a sort of punch line to
 the former. M. would say Do less accomplish more. then pause, and
 then say, drawing it out a bit Do () nothing ... and accomplish
 ... Every . Thing! It always got a big laugh.

Exactly.
 
  But Do nothing and accomplish everything is obviously
  *not* meant in a relative sense, so when MMY offers it
  as a corollary to Do less and accomplish more, the
  latter acquires a new, non-relative spin.   Now it refers
  to the experience of increasing identification with the
  Self: the greater the identification with the Self, the
  Non-Doer, the greater the sense that I [the Self] do
  not act at all.
 
 To you I am sure that's the case. That does not necessarily make 
 that a universal connotation, or even M's intended meaning.

Exactly again.

 My take on the phrase was always, as I said, a punchline, a laugh
 getter, for Do less and accomplish more. In that vein, it was not
 meant to be a practical guidance, but a sort of funny word play. 

I always assumed that both phrases were just marketing
jive aimed at Westerners who *wanted* to accomplish
everything without doing a damned thing themselves.
Pander to the idiots by selling them idiocy, that
sorta thing.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fun link

2005-10-05 Thread akasha_108
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 http://www.c6.org/toogle/index.php?phrase=maharishi+mahesh+yogi
 
 Once it's open, try typing in other names of famous people.

I tried your name but it came up with empty space. 




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fun link

2005-10-05 Thread TurquoiseB
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 http://www.c6.org/toogle/index.php?phrase=maharishi+mahesh+yogi
 
 Once it's open, try typing in other names of famous people.

Works for the names of gods and goddesses, too...






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dangers of Pseudo-Advaita

2005-10-05 Thread Vaj



On 10/5/05 11:52 AM, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I always assumed that both phrases were just marketing
 jive aimed at Westerners who *wanted* to accomplish
 everything without doing a damned thing themselves.
 Pander to the idiots by selling them idiocy, that
 sorta thing.

Actually very close to what has happened: if you do a web search for Do
nothing and accomplish everything the phrase is usually tied to get rich
quick schemes. Interesting how greed begets greed.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Dangers of Pseudo-Advaita

2005-10-05 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  I always remember the two terms being used together -- back to 
1967,
  like Unc. I remember the latter phrase being a sort of punch line 
to
  the former. M. would say Do less accomplish more. then pause, 
and
  then say, drawing it out a bit Do () nothing ... and 
accomplish
  ... Every . Thing! It always got a big laugh.
 
 Exactly.
  
   But Do nothing and accomplish everything is obviously
   *not* meant in a relative sense, so when MMY offers it
   as a corollary to Do less and accomplish more, the
   latter acquires a new, non-relative spin.   Now it refers
   to the experience of increasing identification with the
   Self: the greater the identification with the Self, the
   Non-Doer, the greater the sense that I [the Self] do
   not act at all.
  
  To you I am sure that's the case. That does not necessarily make 
  that a universal connotation, or even M's intended meaning.
 
 Exactly again.

Just a reminder: the point is that it does NOT
mean that one should refrain from action, or even
that one should refrain from certain kinds of
action.

  My take on the phrase was always, as I said, a punchline, a laugh
  getter, for Do less and accomplish more. In that vein, it was 
  not meant to be a practical guidance, but a sort of funny word 
  play. 
 
 I always assumed that both phrases were just marketing
 jive aimed at Westerners who *wanted* to accomplish
 everything without doing a damned thing themselves.
 Pander to the idiots by selling them idiocy, that
 sorta thing.

Funny how MMY sabotaged all that marketing jive with
the constant repetition of Meditate and act, eh?

Also funny how Krishna anticipated the need to market
to all those lazy Westerners with One who is in Union
with the Divine and who knows the Truth will maintain,
'I do not act at all,' huh?





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fun link

2005-10-05 Thread TurquoiseB
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  http://www.c6.org/toogle/index.php?phrase=maharishi+mahesh+yogi
  
  Once it's open, try typing in other names of famous people.
 
 I tried your name but it came up with empty space.

That's what I look like.  :-)

Actually, I got hits on 'Unc' (very funny), 'Uncle Tantra'
and 'Barry Wright'.  The last displays a photo of someone
who actually looks a little like me when I was young, but
I don't think it is.






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[FairfieldLife] If Iran went Nuclear

2005-10-05 Thread Jason Spock













 


 

 If Iran went nuclear... 
 Wednesday October 5 2005 08:43 IST by K Subrahmanyam

 Some in India may raise the question why Iran should not go nuclear as Pakistan has done. Would its consequences be worse than in the case of Pakistan? After all, Iran is the only country which was attacked by weapons of mass destruction (poison gas) during the 1981-88 war and the entire international community sat on its hands without condemning Saddam Hussein. Iran also happens to be the only Shia country (till a Shia Iraq emerges) surrounded by Sunni countries on both sides. Shia-Sunni hostility goes back to the martyrdom of Imam Hussein 12 centuries ago. Saudi Arabia has already got long range Chinese missiles acquired in the mid-’80s and Iran had reason to fear that Pakistani nuclear warheads could be mated with Saudi missiles and pose a threat to it. In the last few years, Pakistan itself had acquired long range missiles from North Korea and China. There has been speculation that A.Q. Khan’s proliferation included a fourth country
 believed to be an Arab one. Syria, Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Kuwait have been considered among the possibilities.
Therefore Iran could make a plausible case for nuclear weapons on the basis of security. It does not do so but protests strongly its fuel cycle programme is solely intended for peaceful purposes. The question then arises, in that case why did it not proceed on it openly, after notifying the IAEA? Iran persisted in its clandestine uranium enrichment efforts for 16 long years before they were discovered due to the disclosures of a defector. Therefore the Iranian assertions do not generate much credibility elsewhere in the world. The recent IAEA resolution of September 24 had only Venezuela voting against it, 34 out of 35 governors of the IAEA board either voted for the resolution or abstained.
What would be the consequences of Iran going nuclear? There are fears that Iran may follow the Pakistani example. Zulfikar Ali Bhutto called the bomb the ‘‘Islamic bomb’’ and collected money for the programme from various Arab states. A.Q. Khan, in his confessional statement, said that he carried out only his Islamic obligation when proliferating to Iran and Libya. The newly elected Iranian President, Mohammad Ahmedinejad, during his visit to Turkey, talked of Iran making available enrichment technology to other Islamic countries.
Therefore there are two kinds of concerns among the international community arising out of Iran’s acquisition of nuclear weapons. The first is that Iran may become an Islamic proliferator. Second is that nuclear weapon acquisition by Shia Iran will unleash a Sunni Arab backlash, particularly from Saudi Arabia. A nuclear Iran, if it ever manages to become one, will have a totally destabilising effect over West Asia. Already the US worries about the effect of a second Shia state emerging in Iraq and the impact of Iran on that state. Eastern Saudi Arabia, where the oil fields are located, and many of the Gulf States have a majority Shia population, although they all have Sunni rulers. The Sunni rulers of Saudi Arabia and the Gulf states have kept a tight control over resentful Shia populations. They have depended upon the Gulf Cooperation Council and the US military presence in the Gulf area to keep the Shia populations under control. A resource poor, nuclear Pakistan
 could only challenge the American and Western powers through jihadi terrorism. It would be a different story in the case of a nuclear Iran which is resource rich, especially in terms of hydrocarbons. Therefore the US and Middle East rulers have real concerns about the authority and influence which the Ayatollahs from Tehran could exercise over the entire Gulf area. Whether this is a real or imaginary fear, it is hard to tell. During Saddam Hussein’s war on Iran, even the Shias of Iran fought loyally on Saddam Hussein’s side and the Shias in the Gulf states did not stage any uprising — not even when Saddam Hussein brutally suppressed the Shias in Southern Iraq.
The Americans and westerners have not overlooked the fact that Pakistan was able to Talibanise Afghanistan, provide sanctuary for the Al-Qaida and carry on a campaign of terror in Kashmir only when it acquired a nuclear shield. At least in American and western memories, Iran’s image as a state sponsoring terrorism goes back to 1979. Memories of Hizbullah and hostage taking in Lebanon strongly influence the Western perceptions. Israelis are confident that while the Pakistani bomb could be amenable to US influence and control, they have mortal fear of Iranian nuclear capability. Perhaps, as highlighted by recent Pakistani attempts to woo Israel, the Israelis may feel justified in entertaining greater fears about Iran than of Pakistan.
There would also be fears that a nuclear Iran, with its expanded influence over Shia Gulf states, might exercise increased control over the Gulf oil even as the role of the Gulf oil in the energy 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dangers of Pseudo-Advaita

2005-10-05 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
 
 On 10/5/05 11:52 AM, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  I always assumed that both phrases were just marketing
  jive aimed at Westerners who *wanted* to accomplish
  everything without doing a damned thing themselves.
  Pander to the idiots by selling them idiocy, that
  sorta thing.
 
 Actually very close to what has happened: if you do a web search 
 for Do nothing and accomplish everything the phrase is usually 
 tied to get rich quick schemes. Interesting how greed begets greed.

Interesting indeed.  I did such a search, and the only
thing I could find that even came close to a get-rich-
quick scheme was a book by Fred Gratzon called The
Lazy Way to Success.  But if you investigate the book,
you find that it's Gratzon's take on MMY's phrase (he's
a TM teacher) and not a get-rich-quick scheme at all.

Could you provide some of the links to get-rich-quick
schemes that you found?





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fun link

2005-10-05 Thread akasha_108
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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
   http://www.c6.org/toogle/index.php?phrase=maharishi+mahesh+yogi
   
   Once it's open, try typing in other names of famous people.
  
  I tried your name but it came up with empty space.
 
 That's what I look like.  :-)

Yea, when we think of you, its all infinite unbounded stuff. 




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Dangers of Pseudo-Advaita

2005-10-05 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
 I always assumed that both phrases were just marketing
 jive aimed at Westerners who *wanted* to accomplish
 everything without doing a damned thing themselves.
 Pander to the idiots by selling them idiocy, that
 sorta thing.

Yet another panderer to lazy Western idiots:

You need not leave your room. Remain sitting at your table and listen. 
You need not even listen, simply wait. You need not even wait, just 
learn to become quiet, and still, and solitary. The world will freely 
offer itself to you to be unmasked. It has no choice; it will roll in 
ecstasy at your feet.

--Franz Kafka





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fun link

2005-10-05 Thread TurquoiseB
http://www.c6.org/toogle/index.php?phrase=maharishi+mahesh+yogi

Once it's open, try typing in other names of famous people.
   
   I tried your name but it came up with empty space.
  
  That's what I look like.  :-)
 
 Yea, when we think of you, its all infinite unbounded stuff.

I figured out how it works.  When you enter a name 
or an object or a phrase, it looks the entry up in
Google's Image Search and then renders the *first*
image it finds there into alphagraphics.  For a 
few friends of mine, it actually finds a photo of
them and renders it.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Dangers of Pseudo-Advaita

2005-10-05 Thread TurquoiseB
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wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 snip
  I always assumed that both phrases were just marketing
  jive aimed at Westerners who *wanted* to accomplish
  everything without doing a damned thing themselves.
  Pander to the idiots by selling them idiocy, that
  sorta thing.
 
 Yet another panderer to lazy Western idiots:
 
 You need not leave your room. Remain sitting at your table and 
 listen. You need not even listen, simply wait. You need not even 
 wait, just learn to become quiet, and still, and solitary. The 
 world will freely offer itself to you to be unmasked. It has no 
 choice; it will roll in ecstasy at your feet.
 
 --Franz Kafka

Great advice if what you want to do is 
turn into a cockroach.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Dangers of Pseudo-Advaita

2005-10-05 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
   snip
I always assumed that both phrases were just marketing
jive aimed at Westerners who *wanted* to accomplish
everything without doing a damned thing themselves.
Pander to the idiots by selling them idiocy, that
sorta thing.
   
   Yet another panderer to lazy Western idiots:
   
   You need not leave your room. Remain sitting at your table and 
   listen. You need not even listen, simply wait. You need not 
even 
   wait, just learn to become quiet, and still, and solitary. The 
   world will freely offer itself to you to be unmasked. It has no 
   choice; it will roll in ecstasy at your feet.
   
   --Franz Kafka
  
  Great advice if what you want to do is 
  turn into a cockroach.
 
 Cute, but no cigar.
 
 The amusing thing is that on the one hand, you
 advocate appreciating the Now instead of making
 an effort to improve onself; and on the other,
 when MMY advocates appreciating the Now, all
 of a sudden exerting effort to improve oneself
 is the sine qua non.

Do you NEVER get tired of trying to turn
everything into an argument?  You're not
going to get one.  






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dangers of Pseudo-Advaita

2005-10-05 Thread Vaj



On 10/5/05 12:38 PM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Could you provide some of the links to get-rich-quick
 schemes that you found?

No because you just want to start an argument.




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[FairfieldLife] Power of Silence

2005-10-05 Thread Jason Spock













 

 
Hari Om,
 Here is an discourse on the Power of Silence

 With, Jai Guru Dev,

Jason

---OriginalMessage--
From: revathi ravisankar 

Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 12:24 PM
Subject: Improve the quality of observance and Maintain the power of inner Silence








Speech needs company,

Silence needs solitude.


Speech wants to conquer others,

Silence helps conquer oneself.


Speech makes friends or foes,

Silence befriends all.


Speech demands respect,

Silence commands it.


Speech is earth-bound,

Silence is heaven-bound.


Speech educates,

Silence exalts.


Speech is subjective,

Silence is objective.


Speech has regrets,

Silence has none.


Speech has limitations,

Silence is boundless.


Speech needs effort,

Silence a lot more.


Speech is human,

Silence is Divine.


While speaking you are heard by creatures,

In silence you hear the creator.




Silence leads to a stillness of the mind, 




Then to introspection,




Then to self-cleansing,




Finally to liberation.

The definite sign of a spiritually minded person is his silent, tolerant attitude. Bees, until they have found the flower and tasted the honey, make a loud, buzzing noise; but the moment they taste the honey, they become absorbed and cease to make a sound. So it is with us. Before we find the truth, we argue and dispute and challenge others who differ from us; but when we come in contact with something deeper, we grow silent and do not try to force it on other minds. We try to live it in our own life inevitably it reaches other lives.

Spiritual qualities are infectious just as evil qualities are. One bad person can drag down many others by his evil propensities; while those who have noble ideals and loving characters uplift others merely by their silent influence. 

When we study external conditions, it is sometimes very discouraging to see how slowly this influence works; but it can never fail absolutely. And if we wish to produce a lasting effect on any character, it is better not to have it work too quickly. When we set fire to hay, it makes a tremendous blaze, then in a moment it is all over; while a log fire, which takes a long time to kindle, burns steadily and is dependable. Similarly in spiritual awakening, if the person is over- enthusiastic and emotionally excited, he exhausts his forces and the effect wears off. If, on the contrary, his deeper nature is touched, it may not show outwardly, but the result endures.

Limit yourself to observing. Take in everything that comes to your awareness whether big, small, trite or ordinary. Content of awareness is less important than the qualityof awareness. As quality improves, so silence deepens, you will experience. You will discover, to your delight that revelation is not knowledge. It is power: a mysterious power

Are you aware of inner silence even now? You can spend this moment in the temple of silence, acquainting yourself with Devi and becoming peaceful. The power comes from intensifying concentration to visualize the form, hear the sound, feel the touch, taste, and smell of the divine perfume of the goddess manifesting that part of the ever-youthful goddess. She is in deep love with you.

 Practice creative silence. R Ravi Sankar
 Zambia
 
 


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[FairfieldLife] Re: Dangers of Pseudo-Advaita

2005-10-05 Thread TurquoiseB
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 On 10/5/05 12:38 PM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Could you provide some of the links to get-rich-quick
  schemes that you found?
 
 No because you just want to start an argument.

And life's too short for that.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Power of Silence

2005-10-05 Thread TurquoiseB
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   Hari Om,
Here is an discourse on the Power of Silence

Nice.  Thanks, Jason.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Gross National Happiness

2005-10-05 Thread tazarmfune
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  Good idea!...Or you could just access the U.S. Department of 
  National Happiness website, and send in a request to have 
them 
  reboot the chip in eptfnj's head.
 
 Or, people can take total responsibility for themselves.
 
 Not good news for the big government left.

Or the big government right.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Dangers of Pseudo-Advaita

2005-10-05 Thread eptfnj
  No because you just want to start an argument.
 
 And life's too short for that.

Tweedledee and Tweedledum agreed to have a fight.

Touch football.
Roughhousing.
Nurf-stick battles.

Come on, didn't you see Rama and Ravana wink at each other?





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Dangers of Pseudo-Advaita

2005-10-05 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  snip
   I always assumed that both phrases were just marketing
   jive aimed at Westerners who *wanted* to accomplish
   everything without doing a damned thing themselves.
   Pander to the idiots by selling them idiocy, that
   sorta thing.
  
  Yet another panderer to lazy Western idiots:
  
  You need not leave your room. Remain sitting at your table and 
  listen. You need not even listen, simply wait. You need not even 
  wait, just learn to become quiet, and still, and solitary. The 
  world will freely offer itself to you to be unmasked. It has no 
  choice; it will roll in ecstasy at your feet.
  
  --Franz Kafka
 
 Great advice if what you want to do is 
 turn into a cockroach.

Cute, but no cigar.

The amusing thing is that on the one hand, you
advocate appreciating the Now instead of making
an effort to improve onself; and on the other,
when MMY advocates appreciating the Now, all
of a sudden exerting effort to improve oneself
is the sine qua non.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Dangers of Pseudo-Advaita

2005-10-05 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend 
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB 
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   wrote:
snip
 I always assumed that both phrases were just marketing
 jive aimed at Westerners who *wanted* to accomplish
 everything without doing a damned thing themselves.
 Pander to the idiots by selling them idiocy, that
 sorta thing.

Yet another panderer to lazy Western idiots:

You need not leave your room. Remain sitting at your table 
and listen. You need not even listen, simply wait. You need 
not even wait, just learn to become quiet, and still, and 
solitary. The world will freely offer itself to you to be 
unmasked. It has no choice; it will roll in ecstasy at your 
feet.

--Franz Kafka
   
   Great advice if what you want to do is 
   turn into a cockroach.
  
  Cute, but no cigar.
  
  The amusing thing is that on the one hand, you
  advocate appreciating the Now instead of making
  an effort to improve onself; and on the other,
  when MMY advocates appreciating the Now, all
  of a sudden exerting effort to improve oneself
  is the sine qua non.
 
 Do you NEVER get tired of trying to turn
 everything into an argument?  You're not
 going to get one.

Just an observation, Barry.  Relax.  Appreciate
the Now.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Dangers of Pseudo-Advaita

2005-10-05 Thread authfriend
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  Could you provide some of the links to get-rich-quick
  schemes that you found?
 
 No because you just want to start an argument.

Want to buy a bridge?





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Dangers of Pseudo-Advaita

2005-10-05 Thread authfriend
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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On 10/5/05 12:38 PM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   Could you provide some of the links to get-rich-quick
   schemes that you found?
  
  No because you just want to start an argument.
 
 And life's too short for that.

And besides, there aren't any such links.





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[FairfieldLife] Carl Sagan's - Cosmic Calendar

2005-10-05 Thread Jason Spock













 

 The following is good perspective for the big picture:
Subject: Carl Sagan's Cosmic Calendar: Calendar You'll Never Learn in School!

http://visav.phys.uvic.ca/~babul/AstroCourses/P303/BB-slide.htm
HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVE: CARL SAGAN'S COSMIC CALENDAR: THE REAL CALENDAROF EARTH's TIMELINE THAT YOU'LL NEVER LEARN IN SCHOOL! ?
 Imagine that the entire history of the universe is compressed into one year -- with the Big Bang corresponding to the first second of the New Year's Day, and the present time to the last second of December 31st(midnight).
Using this scale of time, each month would equal a little over a billion years. Here's a closer look at when important events would occur when we imagine the universe in one year:
January 1:Big Bang
May 1:Origin of Milky Way Galaxy
September 9:Origin of the solar system
September 14:Formation of the Earth
September 25:Origin of life on Earth
October 2:Formation of the oldest rocks known on Earth
October 9:Date of oldest fossils (bacteria and blue-green algae)
November 1:Invention of sex (by microorganisms)
November 12:Oldest fossil photosynthetic plants
November 15:Eukaryotes (first cells with nuclei) flourish

DECEMBER:
December 1:Significant oxygen atmosphere begins to develop on Earth.
December 5:Extensive vulcanism and channel formation on Mars.
December 16:First Worms.
December 17:Precambrian ends. Paleozoic Era and Cambrian Period begin. Invertebrates flourish.
December 18:First oceanic plankton. Trilobites flourish.
December 19:Ordovician Period. First fish, first vertebrates.
December 20:Silurian Period. First vascular plants. Plants begin colonization of land.
December 21:Devonian Period begins. First insects. Animals begin colonization of land.
December 22:First amphibians. First winged insects.
December 23:Carboniferous Period. First trees. First reptiles.
December 24:Permian Period begins. First dinosaurs.
December 25:Paleozoic Era ends. Mesozoic Era Begins.
December 26:Triassic Period. First mammals.
December 27:Jurassic Period. First birds.
December 28:Cretaceous Period. First flowers. Dinosaurs become extinct.
December 29:Mesozoic Era ends. Cenozoic Era and Tertiary Period begin. First cetaceans. First primates.
December 30:First evolution of frontal lobes in the brains of primates. First hominids. Giant mammals flourish.
December 31:End of Pliocene Period. Quaternary (Pleistocene and Holocene) Period. First humans.

DECEMBER 31:
1:30 p.m.:Origin of Pithicanthropus, Proconsul and Ramapithecus, probable ancestors of apes and men
10:30 p.m.:First humans
11:00 p.m.:Widespread use of stone tools
11:46 p.m.:Domestication of fire by Peking man
11:56 p.m.:Beginning of most recent glacial period
11:58 p.m.:Seafarers settle Australia
11:59 p.m.:Extensive cave painting in Europe
11:59:20 p.m.:Invention of agriculture
11:59:35 p.m.:Neolithic civilization; first cities
11:59:50 p.m.:First dynasties in Sumer, Ebla and Egypt; development of astronomy
11:59:51 p.m.:Invention of the alphabet; Akkadian Empire
11:59:52 p.m.:Hammurabic legal codes in Babylon; Middle Kingdom in Egypt
11:59:53 p.m.:Bronze metallurgy; Mycenaean culture; Trojan War; Olmec culture;invention of the compass
11:59:54 p.m.:Iron metallurgy; First Assyrian Empire; Kingdom of Israel; founding of Carthage by Phoenicia
11:59:55 p.m.:Asokan India; Ch'in Dynasty China; Periclean Athens; birth of Buddha
11:59:56 p.m.:Euclidean geometry; Archimedean physics; Ptolemaic astronomy; Roman Empire; birth of Christ
11:59:57 p.m.:Zero and decimals invented in Indian arithmetic; Rome falls; Birth of Islam and the Islamic Civilization
11:59:58 p.m.:Mayan civilization; Sung Dynasty China; Byzantine empire; Mongol invasion; Crusades
11:59:59 p.m.:Renaissance in Europe; voyages of discovery from Europe and from Ming Dynasty China; emergence of the experimental method in science
NOW: The first second of New Year's Day:
Widespread development of science and technology; emergence of global culture; acquisition of the means of self-destruction of the human species; first steps in spacecraft planetary exploration and the search of extraterrestrial intelligence.

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[FairfieldLife] Do Nothing and Accomplish Everything

2005-10-05 Thread akasha_108
The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but
because of those who look on and do nothing.

Albert Einstein




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Do Nothing and Accomplish Everything

2005-10-05 Thread akasha_108
By 'doing nothing' one could 'accomplish everything.' Lao Tzu writes:

The Tao abides in non-action,
Yet nothing is left undone.
If kings and lords observed this,
The ten thousand things would develop naturally.
If they still desired to act,
They would return to the simplicity of formless substance.
Without form there is no desire.
Without desire there is tranquillity.
In this way all things would be at peace.

In this way Taoist philosophy reached out to council rulers and advise
them of how to govern their domains. Thus Taoism, in a peculiar and
roundabout way, became a political philosophy. The formulation follows
these lines:

The Taoist sage has no ambitions, therefore he can never fail. He who
never fails always succeeds. And he who always succeeds is all- powerful.

http://www.chebucto.ns.ca/Philosophy/Taichi/lao.html





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Do Nothing and Accomplish Everything

2005-10-05 Thread akasha_108
Lao Tsu taught that all straining, all striving are not only vain but
counterproductive. One should endeavor to do nothing (wu-wei). But
what does this mean? It means not to literally do nothing, but to
discern and follow the natural forces -- to follow and shape the flow
of events and not to pit oneself against the natural order of things.
First and foremost to be spontaneous in ones actions.


...


n this sense the Taoist doctrine of wu-wei can be understood as a way
of mastering circumstances by understanding their nature or principal,
and then shaping ones actions in accordance with these. This
understanding has also infused the approach to movement as it is
developed in Tai Chi Chuan.

Understanding this, Taoist philosophy followed a very interesting
circle. On the one hand the Taoists, rejected the Confucian attempts
to regulate life and society and counseled instead to turn away from
it to a solitary contemplation of nature. On the other hand they
believed that by doing so one could ultimately harness the powers of
the universe. By 'doing nothing' one could 'accomplish everything.'


..


The Taoist philosophy can perhaps best be summed up in a quote from
Chuang Tzu:

To regard the fundamental as the essence, to regard things as
coarse, to regard accumulation as deficiency, and to dwell quietly
alone with the spiritual and the intelligent -- herein lie the
techniques of Tao of the ancients. 

...

Whatever the truth, Taoism and Confucianism have to be seen
side-by-side as two distinct responses to the social, political and
philosophical conditions of life two and a half millennia ago in
China. Whereas Confucianism is greatly concerned with social
relations, conduct and human society, Taoism has a much more
individualistic and mystical character, greatly influenced by nature.

In Lao Tzu's view things were said to create unnatural action (wei)
by shaping desires (yu). The process of learning the names (ming) used
in the doctrines helped one to make distinctions between good and
evil, beautiful and ugly, high and low, and being (yu) and non-
being (wu), thereby shaping desires. To abandon knowledge was to
abandon names, distinctions, tastes and desires. Thus spontaneous
behavior (wu-wei) resulted


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[FairfieldLife] Re: Do Nothing and Accomplish Everything

2005-10-05 Thread akasha_108
http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:UiwZdIWS7ogJ:www.well.com/user/jct/chapter2.html+do+nothing+and+accomplish+everythinghl=enclient=firefox-a

http://www.well.com/user/jct/

Q: You are saying that all search is doomed because there is nothing
to achieve or understand.

U.G.: There is nothing to be achieved, nothing to accomplish. Because
you have created the goal--say, selflessness--you remain stuck in
selfishness. If the goal of selflessness is not there, are you
selfish? You have invented selflessness as an object to pursue,
meanwhile continuing to be selfish. How can you ever end your
selfishness as long as you pursue selflessness? A certain amount of
practical selfishness is necessary for survival, of course, but with
you it has become a tremendous, unsolvable problem.

Here there is no need to sit in special postures and control your
breath. Even while my eyes are open, in fact no matter what I am
doing, I am in a state of samadhi. The knowledge you have about
samadhi is what is keeping you away from it. Samadhi comes after the
ending of all you have ever known, at death. The body has to become
like a corpse before that knowledge, which is locked into every cell
in the body, ceases.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Do Nothing and Accomplish Everything

2005-10-05 Thread akasha_108
 Just as the wind blowing back and forth
Controls (the movement of) a piece of cotton,
So shall I be controlled by joy,
And in this way accomplish everything.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Do Nothing and Accomplish Everything

2005-10-05 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Lao Tsu taught that all straining, all striving are not only 
 vain but counterproductive. 

and 

 The Taoist sage has no ambitions, therefore he can never fail. 
 He who never fails always succeeds. And he who always succeeds 
 is all-powerful.

I think it is worth remembering that Lao-tzu was the
teacher who got so fed up with his students never
learning anything and never finding their own realiz-
ation that he quit teaching and left China altogether.

But that's probably a coincidence.  :-)






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Do Nothing and Accomplish Everything

2005-10-05 Thread akasha_108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Lao Tsu taught that all straining, all striving are not only 
  vain but counterproductive. 
 
 and 
 
  The Taoist sage has no ambitions, therefore he can never fail. 
  He who never fails always succeeds. And he who always succeeds 
  is all-powerful.
 
 I think it is worth remembering that Lao-tzu was the
 teacher who got so fed up with his students never
 learning anything and never finding their own realiz-
 ation that he quit teaching and left China altogether.

Kind of like MMy in the US?




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Do Nothing and Accomplish Everything

2005-10-05 Thread akasha_108
And the wise know that they do not act.
As the Lord knows that he does not act.
Action in non-action
Non-action in action
Non-action in getting action
Getting action with non-action
This is the path of the Wise.

Unc Sutras XIII, 32:4

as cognized by Akasha 
(upon visualizing the formless body of the Unc.)





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Do Nothing and Accomplish Everything

2005-10-05 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
   Lao Tsu taught that all straining, all striving are not only 
   vain but counterproductive. 
  
  and 
  
   The Taoist sage has no ambitions, therefore he can never fail. 
   He who never fails always succeeds. And he who always succeeds 
   is all-powerful.
  
  I think it is worth remembering that Lao-tzu was the
  teacher who got so fed up with his students never
  learning anything and never finding their own realiz-
  ation that he quit teaching and left China altogether.
 
 Kind of like MMy in the US?

Certainly in Britain.  I think it's called Tantrum yoga.






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[FairfieldLife] Men's and women's peaces palaces on MUM campus

2005-10-05 Thread bbrigante
5Oct2005 MUM Review

http://www.mum.edu/TheReview/#2

Construction of Maharishi Peace Palaces to Begin

Campus residents will soon see the start of construction of two 
Maharishi Peace Palaces (one for men and one for ladies) on the west 
side of Highway 1 south of the Gate Ridge Court office building.

Each Maharishi Peace Palace will be 12,000 square feet, built 
according to principles of Maharishi Vedic Architecture and situated 
on three acres of land, with celebration grounds in front of the 
building. They will have a white marble exterior. The construction 
will be done in phases over the next six months.

The Maharishi Peace Palaces will be a proper home for the pure 
knowledge so generously given to us for the past 50 years by 
Maharishi, said Alexandria DeVasier, director of the ladies' 
Maharishi Peace Palace for Fairfield. We will offer over 50 
programs, courses, services, and products in the new buildings. 
These will include MAPI products, books, a day spa, residence course 
rooms, and more.

 These Maharishi Peace Palaces are a profound gift from Maharishi 
that will preserve the legacy of the knowledge of enlightenment and 
perfect health for all generations to come, Ms. DeVasier 
said. Establishing Maharishi Peace Palaces in Fairfield and 
Maharishi Vedic City will bring a wave of coherence to change the 
negative trends throughout the United States.

 The Maharishi Peace Palaces will be financed through donations and 
the sale of interest-bearing World Peace Bonds. To buy World Peace 
Bonds, please call (641) 472-1174.

***

So a married couple who wants to hear an intro lecture on TM, the 
husband goes to one place, wifey the other? Residence courses, etc, 
ditto?







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[FairfieldLife] For Vaj

2005-10-05 Thread TurquoiseB
Vaj, you like Bruce Cockburn, right?  He has a new
album out called 'Speechless.'  And that's exactly
what it is.  It's a complete album of his instru-
mentals.  Most are old, with one ('Rise And Fall')
that was previously only available on a Japanese
pressing and three new ones.  Worth the whole price
just for one of them, 'The End Of All Rivers.'






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[FairfieldLife] VALIDATING VASTU SHASTRA-USING EMERGENT PRINCIPLES. OF BUILDING SCIENCES

2005-10-05 Thread bbrigante
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Men's and women's peaces palaces on MUM campus

2005-10-05 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 5Oct2005 MUM Review
 
 http://www.mum.edu/TheReview/#2
 
 Construction of Maharishi Peace Palaces to Begin
 
 Campus residents will soon see the start of construction of two 
 Maharishi Peace Palaces (one for men and one for ladies) on the 
west 
 side of Highway 1 south of the Gate Ridge Court office building.
 
 Each Maharishi Peace Palace will be 12,000 square feet, built 
 according to principles of Maharishi Vedic Architecture and 
situated 
 on three acres of land, with celebration grounds in front of the 
 building. They will have a white marble exterior. The construction 
 will be done in phases over the next six months.
 
 The Maharishi Peace Palaces will be a proper home for the pure 
 knowledge so generously given to us for the past 50 years by 
 Maharishi, said Alexandria DeVasier, director of the ladies' 
 Maharishi Peace Palace for Fairfield. We will offer over 50 
 programs, courses, services, and products in the new buildings. 
 These will include MAPI products, books, a day spa, residence 
course 
 rooms, and more.
 
  These Maharishi Peace Palaces are a profound gift from Maharishi 
 that will preserve the legacy of the knowledge of enlightenment and 
 perfect health for all generations to come, Ms. DeVasier 
 said. Establishing Maharishi Peace Palaces in Fairfield and 
 Maharishi Vedic City will bring a wave of coherence to change the 
 negative trends throughout the United States.
 
  The Maharishi Peace Palaces will be financed through donations and 
 the sale of interest-bearing World Peace Bonds. To buy World Peace 
 Bonds, please call (641) 472-1174.
 
 ***
 
 So a married couple who wants to hear an intro lecture on TM, the 
 husband goes to one place, wifey the other? Residence courses, etc, 
 ditto?

The question is, which one would Ramana Maharshi 
have gone to during the period when his sadhana
involved dressing in drag?






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Do Nothing and Accomplish Everything

2005-10-05 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
  Lao Tsu taught that all straining, all striving are not only 
  vain but counterproductive. 
 
 and 
 
  The Taoist sage has no ambitions, therefore he can never fail. 
  He who never fails always succeeds. And he who always succeeds 
  is all-powerful.
 
 I think it is worth remembering that Lao-tzu was the
 teacher who got so fed up with his students never
 learning anything and never finding their own realiz-
 ation that he quit teaching and left China altogether.
 
 But that's probably a coincidence.  :-)

It's also just a legend.  Virtually nothing is known
for certain about Lao-tzu.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Do Nothing and Accomplish Everything

2005-10-05 Thread akasha_108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 I think it is worth remembering that Lao-tzu was the
 teacher who got so fed up with his students never
 learning anything and never finding their own realiz-
 ation that he quit teaching and left China altogether.


Or perhaps not.


it is said that on his retirement from public office [administration],
Lao Tzu headed west, and that the guardian of the pass to the state of
Ch'in requested that he write a treatise on the Tao before departing.
 It is then that Lao Tzu is supposed to have sat for two days, in
which time he wrote the Tao Te Ching, after which he left, some
writers stating that he was never heard of again, others describing
his ascent to heaven in the form of a magnificent dragon. 
 
http://www.google.com/search?q=do+nothing+and+accomplish+everythinghl=enlr=client=firefox-arls=org.mozilla:en-US:officialstart=30sa=N


Laotzu lived in Cheu for a long time; he prophesied the decay of that
state and in consequence was obliged to depart, and went to the
frontier. The officer at the border post was Yin-hi, who said to
Laotzu, If you are going to leave us, will you not write a book by
which we may remember you? Thereupon Laotzu wrote a book of sonnets
in two parts, comprising in all about five thousand characters. In
this book he discussed his conception of the Vitality of the Tao. He
left this book with the soldier, and departed, no one knows whither.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/tao/ltw/ltw02.htm


Lao Tzu's work on Taoism is primarily an instruction for rulers. It
says, for example, that the rule of the prince should go unnoticed by
his subjects if he rules in conformity with the way of the universe.
This ancient philosophy invites comparison with Adam Smith's
invisible hand, but the Tao is largely spiritual rather than
material in focus. Nevertheless, Lao Tzu did argue that a people ruled
lightly in accordance with the Tao will become peaceful and
prosperous. Moreover, the Tao says that concerns about government and
its intrusiveness are common to all peoples and all times.

http://oll.libertyfund.org/Intros/Authors/AncientAsia/LaoTzu.html


He was appointed Keeper of the Imperial Archives by the King of Zhou
in Luoyang.  He studied the archive's books avidly and his insight grew.

Hearing of Lao Tzu's wisdom, Confucius travelled to meet him. 
Confucius put a lot of emphasis on traditional rituals, customs and
rites. 

Confucius asked Lao Tzu about performing rites and rituals.  Lao Tzu
replied: The bones of the people you are talking about have long
since turned to dust!  Only their word linger on.  If a man's time
comes, he will be successful; if not, he will not be successful.  A
successful merchant hides his wealth and a noble person of character
will feign foolishness.  Therefore, you should give up your proud
airs, your desires, vanity and extravagant claims!  They are useless
to you.

Later Confucius later told his students:
Birds can fly,
Fish can swim,
Animals can run,
So they can all be snared or trapped.
But Lao Tzu is like a flying Dragon, un-trappable.

Much later, Lao Tzu perceived that the kingdom's affairs were
disintegrating , so it was time to leave.  He was travelling West on a
buffalo when he came to the Han Gu Pass, which was guarded.  The
keeper of the pass realised Lao Tzu was leaving permanently, so he
requested that Lao Tzu write out some of his wisdom so that it could
be preserved once he was gone (pictured on the right). 

Lao Tzu climbed down from his buffalo and immediately wrote the Tao Te
Ching.  He then left and was never heard of again.

http://www.thetao.info/tao/laotzu.htm






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Power of Silence

2005-10-05 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
  
   Hari Om,
Here is an discourse on the Power of Silence

There's a gag in there somewhere...





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Power of Silence

2005-10-05 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Hari Om,
 Here is an discourse on the Power of Silence
 
 There's a gag in there somewhere...

Only for mouth readers who have to sound
out the words as they read them.  :-)






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Men's and women's peaces palaces on MUM campus

2005-10-05 Thread eptfnj
 The question is, which one would Ramana Maharshi 
 have gone to during the period when his sadhana
 involved dressing in drag?

it is written that Poonja (Papaji) dressed as a Gopi
early in this Sadhana. Some Sadhana.

i recall that Ramana realized the Self in
an instant while in his late teens.

U.G Krishnamurti has made himself a career
as the non-Guru Guru.

During the beginning of the Alan Watts 20th
Year memorial in 1993, a recording of his voice 
resounded over the PA system: Its all Bullsh*t.

All those Guru's must be laughing their butts
off thinking about all this fuss about nothing.

Heiny Hop your way to Awakening.











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[FairfieldLife] Satsang Reports: Byron Katie Session

2005-10-05 Thread tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis
I went to the web site and saw this guy had reviewed Byron Katie,
Gangaji and Eckhart Tolle and then rated them 1 2 3. I have a tape
made at an Eckhart Tolle seminar in 1999 where Eckhart and Byron were
on the schedule in succesive days. At the end of his three hour
presentation he said  I have told you what to do and Byron Katie has
told you how to do it. Seems like a pretty good endorsement to me. Tom T




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Satsang Reports: Byron Katie Session

2005-10-05 Thread Vaj



On 10/5/05 6:56 PM, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I went to the web site and saw this guy had reviewed Byron Katie,
 Gangaji and Eckhart Tolle and then rated them 1 2 3. I have a tape
 made at an Eckhart Tolle seminar in 1999 where Eckhart and Byron were
 on the schedule in succesive days. At the end of his three hour
 presentation he said  I have told you what to do and Byron Katie has
 told you how to do it. Seems like a pretty good endorsement to me. Tom T


All that exists, although manifesting as
 apparently either good or bad,
Cannot be differentiated in this way in the dimension of knowledge of the
Original Base,
 I myself reside in the natural condition that is beyond
Effort,
 You who are caught up in accepting and rejecting, do as you please.

...

In the natural condition, the space which does
Not fall into limits of measurement or even the
concept of direction,
whatever presents itself there, I enjoy as an
ornament.
I don't make any effort to create or reject
anything.
You who take up preferences, do as you
Please.

-The Little Song of Do As You Please




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Do Nothing and Accomplish Everything

2005-10-05 Thread sallysunshine01
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

The Tao abides in non-action

The Tao is pretty lazy then.   The Tao obviously doesn't have kids.
The Tao most likely has 
never kept a house.  I would guess the Tao  has never done much of
any kind of work.  
The Tao sounds like he must hvae a pretty nice nest-egg.  Perhaps the
Tao would like to 
swtich places with a regular person for a day and then maybe he would
develop a 
philosophy that actually works.

Sal




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[FairfieldLife] Eckhart Tolle Session Mar 29, 2003

2005-10-05 Thread akasha_108
Eckhart  Tolle Session Mar 29, 2003

I turned up an hour early for Eckhart Tolle's scheduled appearance at
a New Age church facility in Los Angeles (Culver City). My ticket was
general seating, so I figured I'd arrive wy early, an hour early
in fact, to secure a near-front location. I consider location an
important tactical element for these events, based on my theory that
these enlightened types may be shedding some kind of emanative energy
which could lead to a pleasant and possibly permanent contact high,
thus sparing me a lot of blood, sweat, and sneers in my own chase
after the big E.

One block from the event, I get my first clue - Tolle is a Big League
Player! Uniformed traffic directors all over, gesturing a long line of
cars into a distant side lot, the traffic already beginning to snarl.
I park and scoot into the venue, dodging the milling throngs, get my
ticket marked by one of the phalanx of ticket takers, stroll
blissfully into the (cavernous, church-ified warehouse of a) meeting
hall - only to find ALL the good seats including the entire center
section and most of the remote wing sections on either side pasted
with RESERVED signs and prohibitive tape and ropes. So I creatively,
grabbed a chair from the far back and slid it up as an innocent
appendage to the end of an existing center-section row.

Lucky I'd got there early though, as when it came up to within 15
minutes of show time, the question wasn't getting a GOOD seat, it was
getting ANY seat. Tons of people still showing up at the door, tickets
in hand, being told We have no more seats... This seemed to raise
some irritation and ire among the ingressing masses. Some individuals
more vociferous than others, as always. But I could detect the strain
of New Ager's trying to keep their spiritual cool under the hammer of
mundane resource-scarcity pressure.

Eventually that problem was solved by opening up two large virgin
sections of choir seating on stage behind Tolle's (prospective) chair.

The audience seemed more gender-balanced than either Katie's (f/m
80/20) or Gangaji's (f/m 70/30), at about f/m 60/40. Women always seem
to predominate at these things ?

On the stage/platform itself, there was little stagecraft, just the
obligatory paired vases of Satsang-Love-In flowers, a simple
(audience-identical) four legged chair, a standing mic at chair level,
and a smallish table to the chair's right, with water glass.

The event began a bit late, what with all the filing in and seat
hunting. Finally the doors were shut, it got quiet... I was absorbed
in some day-dreaming, NOT in the present moment - and when I looked
back up on stage - there he was, already standing there, bathed in
spotlight, adjusting the standing mic. A smallish and physically
unprepossessing guy, I'm sure most of you know. Humble and gentle in
appearance and mannerisms. He sat and composed himself, and didn't
begin to talk for another 5 minutes or so.

The entire audience of TWELVE HUNDRED PEOPLE (at $75 a shot!) fell
reverentially quiet.

After a relatively short opening-silence stint, Eckhart began to speak
quietly, in a near-monotone. His voice is gentle, lulling, not
unpleasant - approximating 2001's HAL 9000 computer voice, but layered
with a touch of soft German accent and the occasional flash of a
humorous twinkle.

Kind of an elfin type (though decidedly not a Legolas in the looks
department... but hey I'm not exactly Paul Newman myself)

He began with a somewhat interesting riff about how you might be
feeling right now,  referring to the just-past ticket snafu's. He
said that those frustrations (What do you mean there are no more
seats ?! I've got a ticket!!) were a good practice opportunity for
awareness, for saying yes to the form of the present moment.
Observe any frustration in yourself, feel how the righteous anger
strengthens the small mind, confirming the ego's rightness - feel
the strengthening yet hardening, almost contraction, of your energy
field, the effect on your body, etc.

Of course, absolutely none of the above applied to me at all, as I'd
gotten an OK seat long before game time ... Hahaha!

Just kidding, of course he meant it to apply to all of us, and to any
other frustration. I only mention it because he returned to this
narrative about the ticket frustrations several times throughout the
evening.

Lately I've begun to realize that a Satsang, or quasi-Satsang, or
pseudo-Satsang or whatever these are, needs to be evaluated (if at
all) on a couple different levels. The small (egoic) mind always
needs to judge right ? That's what I'll be doing here.

From the small mind's point of view, the intellect that is, most or
all of what Eckhart said would be considered platitudes, New Age
truisms, or just common sense. He talked for example about themes such
as people who can't give up the role of being a mother or father -
even when the child is already 30 (shocking!) or when you do
anything even something trivial, like buying a newspaper, treat it as

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Roy Horn using TM to recover

2005-10-05 Thread gullible fool

 Why would anyone even care, except to somehow 
 validate their own belief system and life
 experience?

I don't care, I did not say I care, I do not do TM, I
asked Bob because he typed Roy Horn using TM to
recover in the message subject and I questioned the
veracity of that statement. 
 
--- TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  Are you certain TM is the meditation method he is
  using? The article does not say.
 
 Why would anyone even care, except to somehow 
 validate their own belief system and life
 experience?
 
  --- bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  
 http://asia.news.yahoo.com/051002/ap/d8cvulgo0.html
   
   Roy Horn says the magic is back. But two
 years
   after he was nearly 
   killed by a tiger on stage, the magic is about
   walking short 
   distances, not making elephants disappear. 
   
   I meditate a lot, but I am constantly in pain,
   Horn, of the famed 
   duo Siegfried  Roy, told the Las Vegas Sun.
 I'm
   trying to live 
   with this. 
   
   
   
   
   
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[FairfieldLife] more Lynch tour

2005-10-05 Thread bbrigante
Recluse filmmaker David Lynch's East Coast college tour - which made a 
pit-stop at NYU Thursday to promote transcendental meditation - seems 
to be yielding positive results from the other schools he's visited, 
with one university in talks to establish a center for the meditation 
practice. 



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[FairfieldLife] Lord Buddha , incarnation of Lord Vishnu?

2005-10-05 Thread cardemaister
[Sorry, Buddhists!]

[The Devas to Shiva:] In days of yore, it was to
favour us that Lord Vishnu incarnated Himself as
the Buddha and diverted unrighteous men from
contaminating the Vedic path, by preaching a new
religion for them. But today the country is filled
with the heterodox followers of that religion, as
night is by darkness. They are indulging in carping
criticism of the Veda, declaring it to be just a 
fraudulent means of livelihood for a few, and 
condemning its teachings on the duties of Varnas
and Ashramas as mere superstitions. As people have
given up the orthodox Vedic path and become heretics,
there is none to do the daily devotional acts like
Sandhya, or to take to the life of renunciation.

-- Madhava-Vidyaranya [maadhava-vidyaaraNya],
   Shankara-dig-vijaya. The traditional life
   of Sri Sankaracharya [shrii shankaraacaarya]





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[FairfieldLife] A MARRIAGE OF THE FAITHS OF EAST WEST

2005-10-05 Thread tantrayudha
A MARRIAGE OF THE FAITHS OF EAST  WEST  

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Subject: A MARRIAGE OF MANY RELIGIONS
That which is called Tantra, in the East, or The Marriage Supper of
the Lamb of God, in the West, is that previously unknown Creed, which
unites the major religions. In our several messages, entitled RASA
TANTRA, we have provided the scriptural quotes from: Taoism,
Hinduism, Mahayana, Judaism, Greek Mythology, Egyptian Hieroglyphs,
Christianity, and the Gospels of Thomas and of Philip. These quotes
all corroborate this Wedding Feast concept, whereby two sexes are
joined into one Androgynous DNA Genetic Code.

I regret the distasteful nature of this practice. It is never my
intention to shock you or to turn your philosophical understanding
upside down. Those of you who found this information to be an
unpleasant surprise must simply get over it and get on with it. If
there is a scandal in religion, it is the erroneous theological
concepts which precede the advent of the Gnosis of the True Revealed
Marriage Supper of the Lamb of God. I regret to say that these
erroneous concepts include overzealousness in the worship of many
gods, saints, saviors and masters and the imposition of unproved
theological theories, as if they were fact.

Jesus well understood the concept of blood sacrifice of a scapegoat,
which would somehow atone for the sins of the one who murdered it.
Transferral of Guilt onto the one who made you feel the guilt, is
perhaps the single-most often seen phenomenon in the annals of
Psychoanalysis. The trouble is it doesn't work and stacks up
countless innocent victims. Jesus saw this jealous reaction, as did
Dr. Wilhelm Reich, in his book, The Murder of Christ, this book being
a psychoanalysis of the jealousy which goes into the denegration of
superior beings. In short, the murder of Jesus will not expiate your
sins. The Blood At-One-Ment is exactly that forgiveness of sins,
but not from shed blood
but from the Sexual Union of man and wife - from their co-mixed blood
or bioplasma, genetically being Born Again of Water and Spirit.

You have been walking for centuries through the tall grass of false
theology, which does not save anyone from anything. The snake in the
grass is that these false theologies have no scientific proof for
their many claims, thus rendering faith a possible swindle. If, after
much excellent Experimental Research, the Marriage Supper of the Lamb
of God is shown to be just as devoid of success in alleviating human
suffering as is this cartel of useless religions, then I would
abandon its practice also. ALL RELIGIONS MUST UNDERGO THE SAME
NECESSITY TO PROVE THEIR CLAIMS, WHATEVER THEY MAY BE. Otherwise, you
are in danger of being defrauded.

This Theological Proveing Ground includes the new religion, which is
a composite of the religions which preceded it, but unlike them,
introduces Scientific Method and the Theoretical Hypothesis that it
is the Marriage Supper of the Lamb of God which saves one from the 8-
Fold Suffering, which is: Hunger, Disease, Senescence, Death, Mental
Low Intelligence, Emotional Depression, Spiritual Entrapment of
Cosciousness in the Physical Dimension, and the Impermanence of the
Endless Round (Samsara) of Incarnations. It is with deepest respect
for the followers of all religions that I humbly submit this request
for Honorable and Righteous Theological Integrity. In the Holy Name
of Jesus and for the good of the people, I beseech thee. Amen. Jai
Om. - Sw. Tantrasangha
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Roy Horn using TM to recover

2005-10-05 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 
  Why would anyone even care, except to somehow 
  validate their own belief system and life
  experience?
 
 I don't care, I did not say I care, I do not do TM, I
 asked Bob because he typed Roy Horn using TM to
 recover in the message subject and I questioned the
 veracity of that statement. 

Sorry.  I'm a bit touchy on this subject.  I live
next door to a famous person who values his privacy.
People are always asking me stuff about him that I
won't answer, *because* he values his privacy.  Since
it has been mentioned in a couple of press articles 
that he meditates, one of the things people ask is,
What kind of meditation does he practice?

There is sometimes (often) a really creepy kind of
energy surrounding this question.  It's sort of like
the askers will feel better about themselves if the 
famous person practices *their* name brand of medi-
tation, and feel less good about both themselves
and the famous person if he doesn't.  I had just
returned from visiting that person, and probably
felt oversensitive.


 --- TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
   Are you certain TM is the meditation method he is
   using? The article does not say.
  
  Why would anyone even care, except to somehow 
  validate their own belief system and life
  experience?
  
   --- bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
   
  http://asia.news.yahoo.com/051002/ap/d8cvulgo0.html

Roy Horn says the magic is back. But two
  years
after he was nearly 
killed by a tiger on stage, the magic is about
walking short 
distances, not making elephants disappear. 

I meditate a lot, but I am constantly in pain,
Horn, of the famed 
duo Siegfried  Roy, told the Las Vegas Sun.
  I'm
trying to live 
with this. 





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[FairfieldLife] Re: more Lynch tour

2005-10-05 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Recluse filmmaker David Lynch's East Coast college tour - which made 
a 
 pit-stop at NYU Thursday to promote transcendental meditation - seems 
 to be yielding positive results from the other schools he's visited, 
 with one university in talks to establish a center for the meditation 
 practice. 
 
 http://www.washingtonsquarenews.com/news/campus/9934.html

Good for him.  I mean, really.  He's at least doing
something to inspire people to *meditate*.  IMO that's
a great deal more important than trying to sell them
a new house.






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[FairfieldLife] Students Fight Terrorism

2005-10-05 Thread Kamal Tehre
 : Students Fight Terrorism  
  
Fairfield, IA  52556 October 5 2005  
  
VictoryBeforeWar.com Release 
For Immediate Release: October 5, 2005
Contact: Jay Marcus (641) 472-5945 ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 

Students Fight Terrorism 

Sheer-el Cohen was the 13th generation in his family to be born and 
educated in Israel. But Israeli schools are extremely stressful as a 
side effect of the Palestinian conflict. As a result, eight years 
ago the Cohen family moved to the U.S. so Sheer-el could attend the 
Maharishi School of the Age of Enlightenment in Iowa, a school 
dedicated to educational excellence without stress and to fighting 
terrorism in a peaceful way. 

Twice each day Sheer-el, now a freshman in college, joins hundreds 
of other students and faculty in one of the school's most popular 
pastimes—fighting stress and promoting peace through the advanced 
meditation programs at Maharishi University of Management. 

The Maharishi School and the University are highly unusual schools. 
All the students practice Transcendental Meditation, yoga, and 
breathing techniques twice each day as part of the curriculum. Many, 
like Sheer-el, also participate in the Yogic Flying program, an 
advanced meditation program, which studies show reduces violence in 
the vicinity of the Yogic Flyers when a sufficient number of Yogic 
Flyers have assembled. And the schools' required foreign language is 
Sanskrit, because reading and listening to recitations in Sanskrit 
develops brain functioning. Does it work?

In recent years the high school has graduated 10 times the national 
average of National Merit Scholars. In the Odyssey of the Mind and 
Destination ImagiNation creativity competitions (reserved by most 
schools for their talented and gifted programs), the small Maharishi 
School has won more state championships than any school in Iowa. The 
University's results are similar. The National Survey of Student 
Engagement, the most comprehensive survey of student life, rates the 
university among the top 3% of colleges in active and collaborative 
learning and the top 4% in enriching educational experiences. 

Most importantly, the meditation programs at the school and college 
are producing students who are part of a worldwide experiment to 
prevent terrorism. Fifty research studies show that the inner 
happiness and peace the students experience during their meditation 
and Yogic Flying programs are radiated to those in the vicinity of 
the meditating group, neutralizing violent tendencies in the locale. 
With enough students and other meditators, the peaceful effect can 
extend to an entire city or even the nation. Peer reviewed research 
published in major scientific journals shows significant reductions 
in violence and terrorist acts when enough TM meditators and Yogic 
Flyers practice their program together, at the same time.

The meditation programs at the Maharishi schools constitute the 
world's most ancient and complete homeland defense, and are the 
subject of a new book from Maharishi University of Management Press, 
Victory Before War: Preventing Terrorism through the Vedic Peace 
Technologies of His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi(released in July 
and now in bookstores).

Suggested interviewees include Sheer-el Cohen and Robert Keith 
Wallace, Ph.D. (UCLA). Dr. Wallace is author of Victory Before War 
and chairman of the Maharishi University Department of Physiology 
and Health. Dr. Wallace's research in the 1970s on the biological 
changes during meditation, published in Science and Scientific 
American, shocked the scientific community when it was first 
published, but ultimately led to the widespread interest in 
meditation in the Western world. Sheer-el Cohen, now a freshman at 
Maharishi University of Management, was last year's world champion 
high school Yogic Flyer. B-roll is available of Maharishi School 
students, Yogic Flying, and researchers at Maharishi University 
studying the effects of meditation and Yogic Flying. More 
information is available at VictoryBeforeWar.com.  
  
Jay Marcus ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
Center for Science  Crime
504 N. 4th Suite 105 
Fairfield, IA   52556 
Phone : 641-472-5945 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Lord Buddha , incarnation of Lord Vishnu?

2005-10-05 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 [Sorry, Buddhists!]
 
 [The Devas to Shiva:] In days of yore, it was to
 favour us that Lord Vishnu incarnated Himself as
 the Buddha and diverted unrighteous men from
 contaminating the Vedic path, by preaching a new
 religion for them. But today the country is filled
 with the heterodox followers of that religion, as
 night is by darkness. They are indulging in carping
 criticism of the Veda, declaring it to be just a 
 fraudulent means of livelihood for a few, and 
 condemning its teachings on the duties of Varnas
 and Ashramas as mere superstitions. As people have
 given up the orthodox Vedic path and become heretics,
 there is none to do the daily devotional acts like
 Sandhya, or to take to the life of renunciation.
 
 -- Madhava-Vidyaranya [maadhava-vidyaaraNya],
Shankara-dig-vijaya. The traditional life
of Sri Sankaracharya [shrii shankaraacaarya]

This kind of sniping always fascinates me.  It's
especially fascinating in the case of the Hindu-
Buddhist sniping.  NO ONE could have been clearer
in life about rejecting the Hindu system than the
original Buddha.  He also rejected to some extent
the notion of avatars.  So what does Hinduism do
the minute the guy dies and is safely out of the
way, unable to contradict them in person?  They
declare him an avatar of Vishnu, and claim that
he was really teaching a variant of Hinduism.

Orthodoxy is its own Hell.  I think it's a suburb
of the Hell Of Self Importance.

It's also fascinating in terms of the theories
proposed by Lama Ole in a short rap posted here
recently.  I mean, this quote is attributed to
*devas*, ferchissakes.  So either the priests
are making this jealous sniping up and attrib-
uting it to deities, or the deities themselves
really *are* so insecure and stuck in the astral 
plane that they really *are* jealous of some human
being who's getting more press than they are.

And isn't it *really* fascinating that the thing
that the priests who wrote this are most uptight
about is the claim that selling the Veda is just
a fraudulent means of livelihood for a few?
Sound familiar?  Maybe the TMers who have lost
faith in the TMO for similar reasons are really
unrighteous men contaminating the Vedic path,
and the righteous are better off without them.

Then again, maybe the unrighteous are waking up 
from a bad dream in which their own holy men were 
demanding money all the time, as the only approp-
riate method of proving their faith, and the 
money-grubbers would prefer that the flock stays
safely -- and profitably -- asleep.







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