[FairfieldLife] Re: Harriet and George
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: She's in love with him. It's obvious. She says he's the most brilliant man she's ever met. Seen those letters? You're the greatest governor ever? So, what does it all mean? It means that Justice Miers, if such she becomes, will never make a decison on the Supreme Court that she thinks will displease Bush. Never. She just won't do it. That's the basis on which Maharishi chooses leaders of *his* government. Are you suggesting it's not the best way to go? :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Margaret Cooper MS 60 Maybe I'm thinking of a different Margaret Norman, but the one I know, part of the Cambridge center for a while and a resident of my town before moving to ff with husband Norman, was a lot younger than 60. I thought she was 37 or so at the time. There's also the audiovisual guy who was hit by lightning while hiking up a mountain in Colorado. Clearly off the program. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This subject has had a lot of play here from time to time and I thought the following quotation from the book I Reality and Subjectivity by David Hawkins was a very suscinct answer. Page 359 Questioner: There is confusion about the state of enlightenment and about the individual to whom it happens or who is it that has become enlightened. There is a common saying that the truly enlightened being does not claim to be enlightened, so that anybody who states that they are must be in error, Answer: There is great difficulity in describing a condition that is not within the experiental reality of the ego, and especially in answering a question the asking of which stems from the dualistic paradigm of reality of the questioner. An enlightened being *is* their condition; thus, there is no purpose to make a 'claim'. That is an ego view. The personal self does not become enlightened or transformed but instead is assimilated, silenced, and replaced by a different condition altogether. When we discuss enlightenment the concepts we use tend to be quite confusing, because different individuals mean different things by those concepts. Based on how I understand `personal self' it doesn't go anywhere with enlightenment. What is gone is one's identification of the `I' with an image of one's personal self. In enlightenment the `I' becomes identified with the transcendental source and hence it becomes very stable in the turmoil of life. Nothing happens directly to the personality with its strengths and weaknesses. On the other hand the enlightened state of the `I' makes it much easier to work with personal issues and defects, because you can stay calm in blissful state in the emotional whirlwind and pain that regularly is part of a real healing. You must also have a personality structure that is capable of self reflection and of internally observing one's emotions and contradicting thought forms in order to be able to do transformative inner work. People can get enlightened without these inner structures. Then they tend to think they are fully perfect as they are and also superior beings. They desperately need their enlightenment to be seen, and themselves to be seen as superior, because that is their personality structure. The personal self, that cannot work with one's issues needs all the time adulation and a feeling of power to feel good about oneself. Problems are seen in the world. These people can create a lot of unnecessary havoc, but also help some in getting enlightened. I personally think nowadays that it is probably better that people develop the inner structures mentioned above before the experience of enlightenment. Irmeli Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Clouds
Not really relevant to anything, just some really neat cloud photos from your neighboring state: http://www.hprcc.unl.edu/nebraska/june2004hastings-mammatus.html Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Proclaiming ones enlightenment
Interesting, no mention of the teacher. Who's David Hawkins BTW? On Oct 11, 2005, at 11:56 PM, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis wrote: This subject has had a lot of play here from time to time and I thought the following quotation from the book I Reality and Subjectivity by David Hawkins was a very suscinct answer. Page 359 Questioner: There is confusion about the state of enlightenment and about the individual to whom it happens or who is it that has become enlightened. There is a common saying that the truly enlightened being does not claim to be enlightened, so that anybody who states that they are must be in error, Answer: There is great difficulity in describing a condition that is not within the experiental reality of the ego, and especially in answering a question the asking of which stems from the dualistic paradigm of reality of the questioner. An enlightened being *is* their condition; thus, there is no purpose to make a 'claim'. That is an ego view. The personal self does not become enlightened or transformed but instead is assimilated, silenced, and replaced by a different condition altogether. Implied in the common saying that we are discussing is the belief that to disclaim being enlightened is a form of modesty. This is a projection of the spiritual ego of the originator of such a statement for in the condition of enlightenment, no egotism remains. The state is merely a simple fact; it is not an achievment. It has no merits or anything which is laudatory that would require the posture of pseudo-humility. In the naive spiritual community, there is much adulation, charismatic glamour, and the importance attributed to 'enlightened masters', and the like.These are projections. To the enlightened being, the state is merely the natural condition of how it is. Tom T Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths
This is a big movement. People in it die, just like everyone else. The idea that there is something mysterious about it is ridiculous, in my opinion. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Someone sent me the following note. Anyone care to expand upon it? I was struck a number of years by the legion of meditators, sidhas, initiators, governors, ministers, Purushas, Mother Divines, rajahs and other Movement potentates who had suffered untimely deaths. You mentioned several. After all, the number of hardcore meditators is really quite small, just a few thousands, I would think. I have worked for several organizations larger than that and cannot recall anywhere near a comparable percentage of people in their 40s or 50 croaking. That clearly is a very subjective estimation. I would like to see reliable statistics on the matter--you think Dr. Robert Keith Wallace would be interested in such a research topic??!! What if we began our own accounting of such deaths? My start is the attached table. If you think it makes sense you might solicit names on FFL. Name Cause of Death Approx. Age* Dawn Casper breast cancer 50 Kristi Kamins breast cancer 52 Bobby Warren drowning 45 Geo. Gleeson heart attack 45 Margaret Cooper MS 60 David Weiner testicular cancer 44 Maxine Trzebiatowski breast cancer 45 Kurleigh King Prostate cancer Doug Henning Liver Cancer 52 Skip Alexander Liver Cancer Jane Hopson ALS (Lou Gerhirg's disease) 62 A few more come to mind Andy Kaufman -- mouth cancer ? Karen Blassdale -- brain tumor Jane Prouty -- asfixiation (co heater) Steve Shimmer -- ? was recently posted Kent Ketterhoffen (sp) was posted a bit back swiss girl just mentioned a few weeks ago cc girl at MIU? the marine, who wrote book, OD on herioin Jack K? SF bay area, also heroin I remember a story of someone dying outside domes of heart attack, the day after he saw top vaida guy A while back a friend rattled off 3-4 people who died of AIDS, some KSCI guys, and a guy married to Heidi? Seems like there are more that I have heard of but escape me at the moment. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] War Humor
Q: How many Bush Administration officials does it take to screw in a light bulb? A: None. There is nothing wrong with the light bulb; its conditions are improving every day. Any reports of its lack of incandescence are a delusional spin from the liberal media. That light bulb has served honorably, and anything you say undermines the lighting effect. Why do you hate freedom? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths
Ed Goldfinger was felled by heart failure in the mid-90s or so. He was what, 50? Was Ed Tarabilda in his 50s? Sandy Kopff was 47 when her car slid into an oncoming truck between Fairfield and Ottumwa. I'm told the accident was one she was trying to avoid by virtue of having been warned by a jyotishi. She had been in a car accident a few weeks earlier. A friend of hers was driving during the fatal incident; they lost control when passing over an icy patch on the road. Let's not forget young Levi Butler, a victim of homicide. For that matter, my mother was a 10-year regular meditator who died of homicide at age 57. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Someone sent me the following note. Anyone care to expand upon it? I was struck a number of years by the legion of meditators, sidhas, initiators, governors, ministers, Purushas, Mother Divines, rajahs and other Movement potentates who had suffered untimely deaths. You mentioned several. After all, the number of hardcore meditators is really quite small, just a few thousands, I would think. I have worked for several organizations larger than that and cannot recall anywhere near a comparable percentage of people in their 40s or 50 croaking. That clearly is a very subjective estimation. I would like to see reliable statistics on the matter--you think Dr. Robert Keith Wallace would be interested in such a research topic??!! What if we began our own accounting of such deaths? My start is the attached table. If you think it makes sense you might solicit names on FFL. Name Cause of Death Approx. Age* Dawn Casper breast cancer 50 Kristi Kamins breast cancer 52 Bobby Warren drowning 45 Geo. Gleeson heart attack 45 Margaret Cooper MS 60 David Weiner testicular cancer 44 Maxine Trzebiatowski breast cancer 45 Kurleigh King Prostate cancer Doug Henning Liver Cancer 52 Skip Alexander Liver Cancer Jane Hopson ALS (Lou Gerhirg's disease) 62 A few more come to mind Andy Kaufman -- mouth cancer ? Karen Blassdale -- brain tumor Jane Prouty -- asfixiation (co heater) Steve Shimmer -- ? was recently posted Kent Ketterhoffen (sp) was posted a bit back swiss girl just mentioned a few weeks ago cc girl at MIU? the marine, who wrote book, OD on herioin Jack K? SF bay area, also heroin I remember a story of someone dying outside domes of heart attack, the day after he saw top vaida guy A while back a friend rattled off 3-4 people who died of AIDS, some KSCI guys, and a guy married to Heidi? Seems like there are more that I have heard of but escape me at the moment. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
Irmeli wrote: People can get enlightened without these inner structures. Then they tend to think they are fully perfect as they are and also superior beings. They desperately need their enlightenment to be seen, and themselves to be seen as superior, because that is their personality structure. The personal self, that cannot work with one's issues needs all the time adulation and a feeling of power to feel good about oneself. Problems are seen in the world. These people can create a lot of unnecessary havoc, but also help some in getting enlightened. I personally think nowadays that it is probably better that people develop the inner structures mentioned above before the experience of enlightenment. Irmeli *** Hello I am very new on this list, but wanted to respond to this last bit. I am one of those people who somehow managed to experience things in reverse order. Strangely, it had the opposite effect on my ego...to the point that I felt I wasnt even allowed one. The real point I wanted to make about reaching those experiences before proper development is that it almost crippled my life as well as my mind. In my life I would not change a thing about the way it happened, but I can see how it can be both confusing and dangerous. Very dangerous actually. I look forward to getting to know this list J Paula To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
On Oct 12, 2005, at 6:22 AM, Irmeli Mattsson wrote:When we discuss enlightenment the concepts we use tend to be quite confusing, because different individuals mean different things by those concepts. Interesting thing I've noticed is that of those of us who were weaned on the "7 states of consciousness" model, few seem to question it. If it is from "the Veda", where is it located in the Veda? What is it's description? Are they in a sequence (CC - GC - UC)? Based on how I understand `personal self' it doesn't go anywhere with enlightenment. What is gone is one's identification of the `I' with an image of one's personal self. In enlightenment the `I' becomes identified with the transcendental source and hence it becomes very stable in the turmoil of life. Nothing happens directly to the personality with its strengths and weaknesses. On the other hand the enlightened state of the `I' makes it much easier to work with personal issues and defects, because you can stay calm in blissful state in the emotional whirlwind and pain that regularly is part of a real healing. You must also have a personality structure that is capable of self reflection and of internally observing one's emotions and contradicting thought forms in order to be able to do transformative inner work. People can get enlightened without these inner structures. Then they tend to think they are fully perfect as they are and also superior beings. They desperately need their enlightenment to be seen, and themselves to be seen as superior, because that is their personality structure. The personal self, that cannot work with one's issues needs all the time adulation and a feeling of power to feel good about oneself. Problems are seen in the world. These people can create a lot of unnecessary havoc, but also help some in getting enlightened. I personally think nowadays that it is probably better that people develop the inner structures mentioned above before the experience of enlightenment.My feeling is get the experience of enlightenment first, gain the View of Unity. Have the Master check your View. Even if you cannot sustain it, at least you will no longer be in doubt, nor are you likely to hold any false intellectual views. Then all you have to do is "continue" and "babysit your rigpa (vidya)" as Willytex is fond of saying. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] the monkey story..
I'm talking about the research that found that once you taught 100 monkeys a trick and they learn something then in a different place other monkeys learn the same thing much faster. some consciousness connection. anyone remembers the monkey story? I'm looking for a link to the story or maybe one of you can post it down here... thnkx Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] the monkey story..
This 100th monkey story turns out not to be true. It was just sloppy field research and reporters not understanding science. Much like the left brain, right brain stuff of years ago: completely false. Google 100th monkey to chase it down. --- anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm talking about the research that found that once you taught 100 monkeys a trick and they learn something then in a different place other monkeys learn the same thing much faster. some consciousness connection. anyone remembers the monkey story? I'm looking for a link to the story or maybe one of you can post it down here... thnkx Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [FairfieldLife] the monkey story..
I think you might be referring to this http://www.experiencefestival.com/a/Morphogenic_Fields/id/10001 hope so J I'm talking about the research that found that once you taught 100 monkeys a trick and they learn something then in a different place other monkeys learn the same thing much faster. some consciousness connection. anyone remembers the monkey story? I'm looking for a link to the story or maybe one of you can post it down here... thnkx To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
Hi Paula and welcome to our tough neighborhood! Can you talk about your experiences directly? You seem to have experienced a degree of ego loss, one of the points of enlightenment discussed here quite often. Do you have an ego now, or is there only no thing when mind tries to reference an I? --- Paula Youmans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Irmeli wrote: People can get enlightened without these inner structures. Then they tend to think they are fully perfect as they are and also superior beings. They desperately need their enlightenment to be seen, and themselves to be seen as superior, because that is their personality structure. The personal self, that cannot work with one's issues needs all the time adulation and a feeling of power to feel good about oneself. Problems are seen in the world. These people can create a lot of unnecessary havoc, but also help some in getting enlightened. I personally think nowadays that it is probably better that people develop the inner structures mentioned above before the experience of enlightenment. Irmeli *** Hello - I am very new on this list, but wanted to respond to this last bit. I am one of those people who somehow managed to experience things in reverse order. Strangely, it had the opposite effect on my ego...to the point that I felt I wasn't even allowed one. The real point I wanted to make about reaching those experiences before proper development is that it almost crippled my life as well as my mind. In my life I would not change a thing about the way it happened, but I can see how it can be both confusing and dangerous. Very dangerous actually.. I look forward to getting to know this list :-) Paula _ __ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson snip People can get enlightened without these inner structures. Then they tend to think they are fully perfect as they are and also superior beings. They desperately need their enlightenment to be seen, and themselves to be seen as superior, because that is their personality structure. The personal self, that cannot work with one's issues needs all the time adulation and a feeling of power to feel good about oneself. Problems are seen in the world. These people can create a lot of unnecessary havoc, but also help some in getting enlightened. I personally think nowadays that it is probably better that people develop the inner structures mentioned above before the experience of enlightenment. Very good points. I have also been fortunate to work with some wonderfully enlightened people who have actually been essentially or completely unware of their own enlightenment, by virtue of that slight misunderstanding of the nature of (the remains of) ignorance: i.e., petty suffering we resist or ignore doesn't really go away; it just remains in ignorance, becoming heavier and darker the more we ignore it. Paradoxically the more we ignore it, the more it binds our attention until we find ourselves immersed in and fully identified with suffering. Separating ourselves from the suffering just enough to gain an unshakable foothold (often easiest to do by locating it in the body, and/or remembering who we really are), and then approaching it with an embrace of unconditional love, allowing it to feel, breathe, etc., lightens it quickly up into its true nature of radiant bliss. To my eye anyhow, these people are the most amazingly blazing Suns of Brahman who were more or less completely overlooking their own light and love and powerful attention fields by empowering ignorance and the darkness of suffering and not-love, all merely unrecognized and unloved portions of themSelves! :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths
--- Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ed Goldfinger was felled by heart failure in the mid-90s or so. He was what, 50? Younger Was Ed Tarabilda in his 50s? Sandy Kopff was 47 when her car slid into an oncoming truck between Fairfield and Ottumwa. I'm told the accident was one she was trying to avoid by virtue of having been warned by a jyotishi. She had been in a car accident a few weeks earlier. A friend of hers was driving during the fatal incident; they lost control when passing over an icy patch on the road. It was just east of that country western bar. I heard that her jyotish, done a few days before, said nothing about her being at risk. Let's not forget young Levi Butler, a victim of homicide. Pam Noble, early 30's, brain tumors George (used to work at ITG) early 40's, heart attack For that matter, my mother was a 10-year regular meditator who died of homicide at age 57. Man, that is tough, Patrick! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Someone sent me the following note. Anyone care to expand upon it? I was struck a number of years by the legion of meditators, sidhas, initiators, governors, ministers, Purushas, Mother Divines, rajahs and other Movement potentates who had suffered untimely deaths. You mentioned several. After all, the number of hardcore meditators is really quite small, just a few thousands, I would think. I have worked for several organizations larger than that and cannot recall anywhere near a comparable percentage of people in their 40s or 50 croaking. That clearly is a very subjective estimation. I would like to see reliable statistics on the matter--you think Dr. Robert Keith Wallace would be interested in such a research topic??!! What if we began our own accounting of such deaths? My start is the attached table. If you think it makes sense you might solicit names on FFL. Name Cause of Death Approx. Age* Dawn Casper breast cancer 50 Kristi Kamins breast cancer 52 Bobby Warren drowning 45 Geo. Gleeson heart attack 45 Margaret Cooper MS 60 David Weiner testicular cancer 44 Maxine Trzebiatowski breast cancer 45 Kurleigh King Prostate cancer Doug Henning Liver Cancer 52 Skip Alexander Liver Cancer Jane Hopson ALS (Lou Gerhirg's disease) 62 A few more come to mind Andy Kaufman -- mouth cancer ? Karen Blassdale -- brain tumor Jane Prouty -- asfixiation (co heater) Steve Shimmer -- ? was recently posted Kent Ketterhoffen (sp) was posted a bit back swiss girl just mentioned a few weeks ago cc girl at MIU? the marine, who wrote book, OD on herioin Jack K? SF bay area, also heroin I remember a story of someone dying outside domes of heart attack, the day after he saw top vaida guy A while back a friend rattled off 3-4 people who died of AIDS, some KSCI guys, and a guy married to Heidi? Seems like there are more that I have heard of but escape me at the moment. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 12, 2005, at 6:22 AM, Irmeli Mattsson wrote: When we discuss enlightenment the concepts we use tend to be quite confusing, because different individuals mean different things by those concepts. Interesting thing I've noticed is that of those of us who were weaned on the 7 states of consciousness model, few seem to question it. If it is from the Veda, where is it located in the Veda? What is it's description? Are they in a sequence (CC - GC - UC)? Based on how I understand `personal self' it doesn't go anywhere with enlightenment. What is gone is one's identification of the `I' with an image of one's personal self. In enlightenment the `I' becomes identified with the transcendental source and hence it becomes very stable in the turmoil of life. Nothing happens directly to the personality with its strengths and weaknesses. On the other hand the enlightened state of the `I' makes it much easier to work with personal issues and defects, because you can stay calm in blissful state in the emotional whirlwind and pain that regularly is part of a real healing. You must also have a personality structure that is capable of self reflection and of internally observing one's emotions and contradicting thought forms in order to be able to do transformative inner work. People can get enlightened without these inner structures. Then they tend to think they are fully perfect as they are and also superior beings. They desperately need their enlightenment to be seen, and themselves to be seen as superior, because that is their personality structure. The personal self, that cannot work with one's issues needs all the time adulation and a feeling of power to feel good about oneself. Problems are seen in the world. These people can create a lot of unnecessary havoc, but also help some in getting enlightened. I personally think nowadays that it is probably better that people develop the inner structures mentioned above before the experience of enlightenment. My feeling is get the experience of enlightenment first, gain the View of Unity. Have the Master check your View. Even if you cannot sustain it, at least you will no longer be in doubt, nor are you likely to hold any false intellectual views. Then all you have to do is continue and babysit your rigpa (vidya) as Willytex is fond of saying. * As a peak experience, as a short-lived glimpse, dissolving the identification of the `I' with an image of oneself is usually beneficial in my opinion too. I just don't call it enlightenment. I understand with it a permanent shift of awareness with no returning back. If you manage to get to that stage, you may not feel a need of a Master anymore even if you have a rather undeveloped personality structure. Irmeli Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paula Youmans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello - I am very new on this list, but wanted to respond to this last bit. I am one of those people who somehow managed to experience things in reverse order. Strangely, it had the opposite effect on my ego...to the point that I felt I wasn't even allowed one. The real point I wanted to make about reaching those experiences before proper development is that it almost crippled my life as well as my mind. In my life I would not change a thing about the way it happened, but I can see how it can be both confusing and dangerous. Very dangerous actually.. I look forward to getting to know this list :-) Hello, Paula, and welcome! Looking forward to getting to know you too :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Part B Swami G answers Rasa
--- akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I read this, I kept hearing it in the voice of Gangaji, and I know nothing of her, so I believe it is genuine. Thats quite a train of logic there. Train wreck of logic! I've read quite a bit of Gangaji and listened to many audio and video tapes of her, and that transcript is not her speaking. Jim, just because you feel something is true, doesn't make it true! I heard a woman once talk to SSRS about a vivid dream she had in which he instructed her to do something. She followed this dream advice and a lot of problems were created. When she asked him what had happened, he flatly said that the person in her dream was not him. She asked how we should know if it is him or not. He laughed and said you know it's me when I'm talking to you just like this. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Someone sent me the following note. Anyone care to expand upon it? I was struck a number of years by the legion of meditators, sidhas, initiators, governors, ministers, Purushas, Mother Divines, rajahs and other Movement potentates who had suffered untimely deaths. snip The TMO is largely a boomer mov't and as boomers reach middle age a certain percentage start to die. We notice deaths within our own circle more. Plus the TMO was wildly promoting Immortality and Perfect Health at the time the deaths started so it was a big contradiction in some minds. I still meet campus folks who are kind of shocked when one of their own gets seriously ill, but they were living in stapathya ved!?. I've been told that they found high amounts of DDT in S. Alexander's body, most likely from time in India. Any group that spends more than avg time in a country like India could have more deaths due to cancer, esp liver and reproductive organs that are esp sensitive to pesticide toxicity. The TMO also has higher than avg celebate and childless couples, which could increase prostate cancer (corelated with celebacy) and breast cancer (breastfeeding sign. reduces odds for breast cancer). Of course TM reduces blood pressure, so maybe less coronary deaths than avg. which could balance it out. Longer term I worry about the health of purushas, mds and campus staff (the poor ones at least) who haven't been getting regular health care and won't be taken care of by the tmo when they get old. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Part B Swami G answers Rasa
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I read this, I kept hearing it in the voice of Gangaji, and I know nothing of her, so I believe it is genuine. The one she is speaking to, Rasa, is also a woman, with a very unusual website to say the least(!) Yes, Rasa's website identifies Swami G. as Swami Ganga-Puri Kaliuttamananda-Giri, whose site is KundaliniSupport.com. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Proclaiming ones enlightenment
Vaj wrote: Interesting, no mention of the teacher. Who's David Hawkins BTW? Tom T: Had no teacher. Had near death exp at 7 and another one during WWII. Went on to become MD and shrink after WWII and had further understandings. Eventually ended up in 12 step which became his teacher. Wrote Power vs FOrce in 95 and followed up with The Eye of the I in 2000+/- and finished with I Reality and Subjectivity 2003. In the last book which is mostly Q and A he admits meeting with Muktanada and Ramesh Balsekar and both of them verfied and validated. He also allowed that it took almost 10 years of prolonged silence ( he quit his practice and withdrew to Sedona AZ) before he was ready to talk about his standing. I found all of his books to have a number of gems in them. He also set up a scale of Enlightment which appears to be quite usefull since on his scale it extends from a nominal value from 700 to 1200, Pretty broad range and a lot of insight in the third book about that range and the cast of characters that play in it. Tom T Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Untimely Deaths
on 10/12/05 12:39 AM, gullible fool at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Margaret Cooper MS 60 Maybe I'm thinking of a different Margaret Norman, but the one I know, part of the Cambridge center for a while and a resident of my town before moving to ff with husband Norman, was a lot younger than 60. I thought she was 37 or so at the time. Different person. There's also the audiovisual guy who was hit by lightning while hiking up a mountain in Colorado. Also, Goldfaber. Nat is still alive, isn't he? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths
Then there was Nona Hamburg, who in the early 1970's went in to the meditation room in the New Haven center and mysteriously died while meditating. She was in her 20's. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Untimely Deaths
On Oct 12, 2005, at 12:21 AM, Rick Archer wrote:What if we began our own accounting of such deaths? My start is the attached table. If you think it makes sense you might solicit names on FFL. I'm part of an international sangha/community of a several thousand hardcore yogis and meditators. Our quarterly newspaper lists all the births and deaths in the community. There are several a year. My observation would be that a good number of people who are hardcore meditators are also hardcore into alternative health practices. In some cases they will even forego any allopathic treatment in favor of Ayurveda or Tibetan medicine, etc. etc. The majority of these people die early because they either do not seek "conventional" treatment for diseases (with sometime excellent prognoses) or they delay conventional treatment. An example that comes to mind was a woman who worked at the health food supermarket. She had a fibroid the size of a large grapefruit. Because she believed she should do everything "all natural" she refused to have this removed--even though that meant she could no longer have sex. Granted, in this case it was benign, but that just highlights in my mind what lengths some will go to to maintain a belief system--even when conventional treatment is quite capable of helping them or even curing them. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Proclaiming ones enlightenment
On Oct 12, 2005, at 10:22 AM, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis wrote:Vaj wrote: Interesting, no mention of the teacher. Who's David Hawkins BTW? Tom T: Had no teacher. Had near death exp at 7 and another one during WWII. Went on to become MD and shrink after WWII and had further understandings. Eventually ended up in 12 step which became his teacher. Wrote Power vs FOrce in 95 and followed up with "The Eye of the I" in 2000+/- and finished with I Reality and Subjectivity 2003. In the last book which is mostly Q and A he admits meeting with Muktanada and Ramesh Balsekar and both of them verfied and validated. He also allowed that it took almost 10 years of prolonged silence ( he quit his practice and withdrew to Sedona AZ) before he was ready to talk about his standing. I found all of his books to have a number of gems in them. He also set up a scale of Enlightment which appears to be quite usefull since on his scale it extends from a nominal value from 700 to 1200, Pretty broad range and a lot of insight in the third book about that range and the cast of characters that play in it. Tom T Very interesting, thank you.Can you share anything further about his scale of enlightenment and how it goes? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Someone sent me the following note. Anyone care to expand upon it? I was struck a number of years by the legion of meditators, sidhas, initiators, governors A legion is 5,000 men, excluding horses and paraphernalia, and miscellaneous siege engines. 20 odd out of 6 - 10 million is a good enough for me. It minds me a comment I made to one of bbrigante's recent sillier posts: There are lies, damned lies and statistics. Benjamin Disraeli. Uns. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Part B Swami G answers Rasa
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I read this, I kept hearing it in the voice of Gangaji, and I know nothing of her, so I believe it is genuine. Thats quite a train of logic there. Train wreck of logic! I've read quite a bit of Gangaji and listened to many audio and video tapes of her, and that transcript is not her speaking. Jim, just because you feel something is true, doesn't make it true! I heard a woman once talk to SSRS about a vivid dream she had in which he instructed her to do something. She followed this dream advice and a lot of problems were created. When she asked him what had happened, he flatly said that the person in her dream was not him. She asked how we should know if it is him or not. He laughed and said you know it's me when I'm talking to you just like this. I dreamed that you said that. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
Hi Peter and thank you for the welcome! Ha-haI hope it is a tough neighborhood! Good for learning J I can talk about the experience directly, but am never sure what to talk about. To tell you the truth, I knew very little when it happened and I know even less now. Im not sure what anyone would like to hear. How it felt? How it changed me? Why it was difficult? What happened spiritually and physically? There would be so much to tell!!! Ego loss is a tricky subject for me, because when it is gonethere is no I to lose it. So in that regard, of course I have an ego lol. When I disappeared there was no me to experience itquite literally. So did I lose ego? That is a good question (Rubbing my chin in deep thought). I will tell you the experience and let you decide. I was in water at the time what I consider to be me began to disseminate. The next thing I was aware of was the question who are you? The question reminded me that I did, in fact, exist.as I was trying to remember who I was, I felt the words I am coming from my own mind and everything came rushing back as I was launched out of the water. (I swear I felt a hand push me out of the water at the same moment I realized my legs could hold me). I most definitely would have drowned had it not been for whatever asked me who I was. So, is that what people mean when they reference ego loss? Ill never know.but it is what I mean when I say it ;) There was no meso how can I say I lost it? It just happenedIt simply was. When I reference I now.it is a lot like referencing your hand. It is yours and you can use it and you can feel itbut it is not you complete. I sure hope I make sense lol. Words become so awkward in these subjects; at least for me they do. Someone told me once that enlightenment is not only being able to bridge into the heavens.but being able to go AND come back at will. I liked that Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment Hi Paula and welcome to our tough neighborhood! Can you talk about your experiences directly? You seem to have experienced a degree of ego loss, one of the points of enlightenment discussed here quite often. Do you have an ego now, or is there only no thing when mind tries to reference an I? --- Paula Youmans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] 1,000 Members
Title: 1,000 Members In case you didnt notice, our membership now stands at 1,000. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
Seems like you got slapped hard when that I went. I lost it leaving the dome one afternoon. Consciousness withdrew back into itself and there was no I or individuality. The mind freaked-out, but everything kept on working all by itself. Consciousness apperceived itself as a point. No dimensions or time at all in that point...no inside or outside either! Completely outside mind. --- Paula Youmans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Peter and thank you for the welcome! Ha-ha.I hope it is a tough neighborhood! Good for learning :-) I can talk about the experience directly, but am never sure what to talk about. To tell you the truth, I knew very little when it happened and I know even less now. I'm not sure what anyone would like to hear. How it felt? How it changed me? Why it was difficult? What happened spiritually and physically? There would be so much to tell!!! Ego loss is a tricky subject for me, because when it is gone.there is no I to lose it. So in that regard, of course I have an ego lol. When I disappeared there was no me to experience it.quite literally. So did I lose ego? That is a good question. (Rubbing my chin in deep thought). I will tell you the experience and let you decide. I was in water at the time what I consider to be me began to disseminate. The next thing I was aware of was the question who are you? The question reminded me that I did, in fact, exist..as I was trying to remember who I was, I felt the words I am. coming from my own mind and everything came rushing back as I was launched out of the water. (I swear I felt a hand push me out of the water at the same moment I realized my legs could hold me). I most definitely would have drowned had it not been for whatever asked me who I was. So, is that what people mean when they reference ego loss? I'll never know..but it is what I mean when I say it ;) There was no me.so how can I say I lost it? It just happened.It simply was. When I reference I now..it is a lot like referencing your hand. It is yours and you can use it and you can feel it.but it is not you complete. I sure hope I make sense lol. Words become so awkward in these subjects; at least for me they do. Someone told me once that enlightenment is not only being able to bridge into the heavens..but being able to go AND come back at will. I liked that. _ Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment Hi Paula and welcome to our tough neighborhood! Can you talk about your experiences directly? You seem to have experienced a degree of ego loss, one of the points of enlightenment discussed here quite often. Do you have an ego now, or is there only no thing when mind tries to reference an I? --- Paula Youmans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: _ __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Part B Swami G answers Rasa
--- akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I read this, I kept hearing it in the voice of Gangaji, and I know nothing of her, so I believe it is genuine. Thats quite a train of logic there. Train wreck of logic! I've read quite a bit of Gangaji and listened to many audio and video tapes of her, and that transcript is not her speaking. Jim, just because you feel something is true, doesn't make it true! I heard a woman once talk to SSRS about a vivid dream she had in which he instructed her to do something. She followed this dream advice and a lot of problems were created. When she asked him what had happened, he flatly said that the person in her dream was not him. She asked how we should know if it is him or not. He laughed and said you know it's me when I'm talking to you just like this. I dreamed that you said that. That's funny. I dreamed that you.. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment on 10/12/05 8:06 AM, Paula Youmans at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello I am very new on this list, but wanted to respond to this last bit. I am one of those people who somehow managed to experience things in reverse order. Strangely, it had the opposite effect on my ego...to the point that I felt I wasnt even allowed one. The real point I wanted to make about reaching those experiences before proper development is that it almost crippled my life as well as my mind. In my life I would not change a thing about the way it happened, but I can see how it can be both confusing and dangerous. Very dangerous actually. I look forward to getting to know this list J Paula Paula, have you read Collision with the Infinite - http://tinyurl.com/exuwz I think you would enjoy it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 12, 2005, at 12:21 AM, Rick Archer wrote: What if we began our own accounting of such deaths? My start is the attached table. If you think it makes sense you might solicit names on FFL. I'm part of an international sangha/community of a several thousand hardcore yogis and meditators. Our quarterly newspaper lists all the births and deaths in the community. There are several a year. My observation would be that a good number of people who are hardcore meditators are also hardcore into alternative health practices. In some cases they will even forego any allopathic treatment in favor of Ayurveda or Tibetan medicine, etc. etc. The majority of these people die early because they either do not seek conventional treatment for diseases (with sometime excellent prognoses) or they delay conventional treatment. An example that comes to mind was a woman who worked at the health food supermarket. She had a fibroid the size of a large grapefruit. Because she believed she should do everything all natural she refused to have this removed--even though that meant she could no longer have sex. Granted, in this case it was benign, but that just highlights in my mind what lengths some will go to to maintain a belief system--even when conventional treatment is quite capable of helping them or even curing them. Yes, excellent point -- as if conventional treatment is somehow NOT a part of God or wholeness -- the old ignoring-the-helicopter- while-waiting-for-God-to-rescue-us-from-the-roof dodge :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 1,000 Members
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In case you didn¹t notice, our membership now stands at 1,000. Although a few of us prefer to sit when interfacing with the group. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Bill Maher on Intelligent Design
And finally New Rule: You don't have to teach both sides of a debate, if one side is a load of crap. Now, President Bush recently suggested that public schools should teach intelligent design, alongside the theory of evolution. Because, after all, evolution is quote, just a theory. Then the President renewed his vow to drive the terrorists straight over the edge of the earth. Now, here is what I don't get. President Bush is a brilliant scientist. He's the man who proved you can mix two parts booze with one part cocaine, and still fly a jet fighter. And yet... yet he just can't seem to accept that we descended from apes. It just seems pathetic to be so insecure about your biological superiority, to a group of feces-flinging, rouge-buttocked monkeys, that you have to make up fairy tales. Like we came from Adam and Eve, and then cover stories for Adam and Eve like, intelligent design. Yeah, leaving the Earth in the hands of two naked teenagers. That's a real intelligent design. I'm sorry, folks, but it may very well may be that life is just a series of random events. And that there is no... master plan. But enough about Iraq. Let me instead restate my thesis. There aren't necessarily two sides to every issue. If there were, the Republicans would have an opposition party. And an opposition party would point out that even though there's a debate, in schools, and government, about this, there is no debate among scientists. Evolution... is supported by the entire scientific community. Intelligent design is supported by guys online to see The Dukes of Hazzard. And the reason there is no real debate, is that intelligent design isn't real science. It's the equivalent of saying that the thermos keeps hot things hot and cold things cold, because it's a god. It's so willfully ignorant you might as well worship the U.S. Mail. It came again! Praise, Jesus! No, stupidity isn't a form of knowing things. Thunder is high pressure air meeting low pressure air. It's not God bowling. Babies come from storks is not a competing school of thought... in medical school. We shouldn't teach both. The media shouldn't equate both. If Thomas Jefferson knew we were blurring the line this much between church and state, he would turn over in his slave. Now as for me, I believe in evolution and intelligent design. I think God designed us in his image, but I also think God is a monkey! God bless you and goodnight! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths
--- Peter Sutphen wrote: --- Patrick Gillam wrote: Sandy Kopff was 47 when her car slid into an oncoming truck between Fairfield and Ottumwa. I'm told the accident was one she was trying to avoid by virtue of having been warned by a jyotishi. She had been in a car accident a few weeks earlier. A friend of hers was driving during the fatal incident; they lost control when passing over an icy patch on the road. It was just east of that country western bar. I heard that her jyotish, done a few days before, said nothing about her being at risk. Funny we would hear conflicting stories. The version I heard was, Sandy was in a car accident in which she hurt her ankle pretty badly but otherwise got out okay. She went to a jyotishi to find out what was up. He looked at her chart and got very sober. That accident was to have been fatal, he was to have said. That's why Sandy had her friend drive when they ventured out on highway 34 on a winter day to check her horse, which she stabled near Ottumwa. On the way back the car hit a patch of ice and spun around 180 degrees so that Sandy, sitting in the passenger seat, got slammed into the side of an oncoming truck. I'm trying to remember who my source was for all this. John Small? Diana Watt? Dunno. I was living in St. Louis at the time, but I happened to be visiting friends in Marshalltown when the news appeared in the paper. I picked up the Des Moines Register and skimmed the news briefs. The dateline Fairfield caught my eye, and I read of my friend Sandy being taken from us. The suggestion of this thread is that these deaths may be statistically significant. But that's a question we are utterly unable to answer with these anecdotes. It is bittersweet and perhaps apt, however, to remember these people as calamities around the world take the lives of tens of thousands and make millions homeless. I used to feel blessed, charmed and invincible. These days I feel blessed, charmed and utterly vulnerable. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths
on 10/12/05 10:56 AM, Patrick Gillam at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's why Sandy had her friend drive when they ventured out on highway 34 on a winter day to check her horse, which she stabled near Ottumwa. Her friend Susan, who was driving, was in an coma for a few days after the accident. Still has pins in her leg. She was in a CC-like state of detachment (unrelated to the accident) for many years. Hated it. Came to one of our Wednesday night satsangs and cried. Popped out of the duality state as she was leaving, and has been in Unity since. Very happy lady now. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] For those who are looking for Fall reading material
The winners of the Quill Awards were just announced. I've been following it because the recently-mentioned (by me) author guy Christopher Moore was nominated in the Science Fiction/Fantasy/Horror category for his novel The Stupidest Angel: A Heartwarming Tale of Christmas Terror. He won, beating out Stephen King, Terry Pratchett, Susanna Clarke and Orson Scott Card! Go Chris!!! In once-related-to-TM related news, Deepak Chopra won in the Religion/Spirituality category for Peace is the Way: Bringing War and Violence to an End. Book of the Year was, of course, J.K. Rowling's Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince. Bob Dylan won in the Biography/Memoir category for Chronicles: Volume One. And the all-important Humor award went to Jon Stewart and the Writers of the Daily Show for The Daily Show with Jon Stewart Presents America: A Citizen's Guide to Democracy Inaction. http://www.quillsliteracy.org/categories.php Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Part B Swami G answers Rasa
I dreamed that you said that. That's funny. I dreamed that you.. Actually, all my bad posts are a result of my dreaming that you are telling me to post such. With a gun to my head. But I go hey you can't pull that tiger dream gun thing on me dude. But I post what you admonish me to do anyway. Then you yell at me in waking state for posting such a sily or ignorant post. Go figure. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming one's enlightenment
When I read this yesterday I intended to post it as its own thread, but it seems apt here. This is the opening to Chapter Seven of _How Green Was My Valley_, by Richard Llewellyn, first published in 1939. The narrator, Huw, had a terrible mishap the night before. I woke up in the bed downstairs in the kitchen, and saw the lamplight shining red on the wooden panels. There is funny to wake up and not know yourself to be You. Although you are like yourself as you are ordinarily, still there is something missing, and you ask yourself where you are, and who you are, and why. There is a lot missing in your life when you have no notion who you are. You have only a picture in front of your eyes and nothing but emptiness behind them, not even the comfort of knowing your name. Indeed, it is that which makes you so afraid and you will start to shout to keep yourself company. Man is a coward in space, for he is by himself, and if you feel you are alone, with not even yourself, that is fright for you. I wonder where the real You goes to when you are strange like that. I started to shout. But I had nothing to shout with, and that made it worse. Try as I would, nothing would come. You have never been frightened if you have never lost yourself and your voice. That is real fright, and awful, too. For there you are in pure space, hearing, thinking, and seeing, but speechless and without knowledge, and you begin to cry and tears blind you, and you are frantic to wipe them away to be able to see, but still they come and you are lost in a fog of shining wet. I wondered as I read this whether Llewellyn lost the self in the sense that Peter and Paula describe below, or if he's simply being the artist in his depiction of Huw's trauma. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Seems like you got slapped hard when that I went. I lost it leaving the dome one afternoon. Consciousness withdrew back into itself and there was no I or individuality. The mind freaked-out, but everything kept on working all by itself. Consciousness apperceived itself as a point. No dimensions or time at all in that point...no inside or outside either! Completely outside mind. --- Paula Youmans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Peter and thank you for the welcome! Ha-ha.I hope it is a tough neighborhood! Good for learning :-) I can talk about the experience directly, but am never sure what to talk about. To tell you the truth, I knew very little when it happened and I know even less now. I'm not sure what anyone would like to hear. How it felt? How it changed me? Why it was difficult? What happened spiritually and physically? There would be so much to tell!!! Ego loss is a tricky subject for me, because when it is gone.there is no I to lose it. So in that regard, of course I have an ego lol. When I disappeared there was no me to experience it.quite literally. So did I lose ego? That is a good question. (Rubbing my chin in deep thought). I will tell you the experience and let you decide. I was in water at the time what I consider to be me began to disseminate. The next thing I was aware of was the question who are you? The question reminded me that I did, in fact, exist..as I was trying to remember who I was, I felt the words I am. coming from my own mind and everything came rushing back as I was launched out of the water. (I swear I felt a hand push me out of the water at the same moment I realized my legs could hold me). I most definitely would have drowned had it not been for whatever asked me who I was. So, is that what people mean when they reference ego loss? I'll never know..but it is what I mean when I say it ;) There was no me.so how can I say I lost it? It just happened.It simply was. When I reference I now..it is a lot like referencing your hand. It is yours and you can use it and you can feel it.but it is not you complete. I sure hope I make sense lol. Words become so awkward in these subjects; at least for me they do. Someone told me once that enlightenment is not only being able to bridge into the heavens..but being able to go AND come back at will. I liked that. _ Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment Hi Paula and welcome to our tough neighborhood! Can you talk about your experiences directly? You seem to have experienced a degree of ego loss, one of the points of enlightenment discussed here quite often. Do you have an ego now, or is there only no thing when mind tries to reference an I? --- Paula Youmans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: _ __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: 1,000 Members
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In case you didn¹t notice, our membership now stands at 1,000. Although a few of us prefer to sit when interfacing with the group. Is that because: You can't stand some posters? Your students are doing puja to you and just offered you a seat? You won't stand behind some of your positions? YOu are not a stand-up kind of guy? You are no longer outstanding in your field? (corn?) You got tired of doing stand-up (comedy)? Its harder for your gf to straddle you when you stand? The drugs make you too dizzy to stand? Sitting is a big step up relative to where you were face-down earlier today? You no longer like Stand Getz? You can't stand and chew gum at the same time? It stood to reason, so you decided to sit? You got tired of standng by your man? The french wouldn't buy anything at your lemonade stand? The voices in your head said to Stand-Down. You got mixed up in the lean to the left, lean to the right, stand up, sit down, fight fight fight routine in your Yell-Leaders for Life group. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 1,000 Members
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In case you didn¹t notice, our membership now stands at 1,000. Although a few of us prefer to sit when interfacing with the group. Is that because: You can't stand some posters? Your students are doing puja to you and just offered you a seat? You won't stand behind some of your positions? YOu are not a stand-up kind of guy? You are no longer outstanding in your field? (corn?) You got tired of doing stand-up (comedy)? Its harder for your gf to straddle you when you stand? The drugs make you too dizzy to stand? Sitting is a big step up relative to where you were face-down earlier today? You no longer like Stand Getz? You can't stand and chew gum at the same time? It stood to reason, so you decided to sit? You got tired of standng by your man? The french wouldn't buy anything at your lemonade stand? The voices in your head said to Stand-Down. You got mixed up in the lean to the left, lean to the right, stand up, sit down, fight fight fight routine in your Yell-Leaders for Life group. All of the above. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's designated successor..
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 10/6/05 2:37 PM, peterklutz at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any one seen the Oct 5, 2005 press conference? It's now official: the Prime Minister of the Global Country of World Peace, His Excellency Dr Bevan Morris, is Enlightened and is capable of answering any question as well as handling any task. Tom T: I have two friends who are Enlightened And you knowthis because? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's designated successor..
on 10/12/05 12:47 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 10/6/05 2:37 PM, peterklutz at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any one seen the Oct 5, 2005 press conference? It's now official: the Prime Minister of the Global Country of World Peace, His Excellency Dr Bevan Morris, is Enlightened and is capable of answering any question as well as handling any task. Tom T: I have two friends who are Enlightened And you knowthis because? My question would have been Only two? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
Tom T: He also set up a scale of Enlightment which appears to be quite useful since on his scale it extends from a nominal value from 700 to 1200, Pretty broad range and a lot of insight in the third book about that range and the cast of characters that play in it. Tom A scale seems to be a better, though still imperfect, means to map the growth of spiritual unfoldment. Its better than the discreet on/off model many seem partial to. The latter being akin to a point, the former is a one dimensional ruler or timelime type scale, indicating a series of continuing transitions. Better yet would be a two dimensional scale, like an xy graph. It helps dispose of the linearity and alleged necessary sequence of happenings. For example, various peoples experience could be plotted on two characteristics of the the experience -- as a scatter plot. In terms of xy values, there may be individual experiences at points (1,2) (1,3) (4,4) (2,1) (2,2) (3,2) etc. While easier to simply plot visually, or draw on a blackboard, bear with me. It provides a non-ranking way of viewing various types of awakening experience. Experience (1,2) is different from (2,1) but clearly not better. Though (4,4) is acknowledged as richer than (3,3). Much more realistic would be a three dimenional plot -- where by three different characteristics or attributes of awakening would be plotted. In such a 3-d frame, the ability to rank becomes even less, which in my view is a good thing -- getting away from some of the distortions, manipulations and cons that can occur in such discussions -- whether self-imposed or imposed by others. You can see where this is going. I hold that there are more than three dimensions or salient characteristics of spiritual growth. Not sure of an outside number, but its probably more than 10. Thus, mathematically, its easy to plot different peoples experiences on say 10 dimensions -- on ten specific characteristics of awakening. (Though admitedly a bit hard to visualize). On such a 10 or more multi-dimensional scale several things become apparent: 1) There is a huge variety of growth experiences. This perhaps parallels Tom's often remark that there are 100 million flavors. The only apparent difference with that view and this multi-dimensional scale model is that in this model, the mapped points are snapshots in time, not endpoints, e.g. there are not 100 million flavors of enlightenment, but 100 milion flavors of growth trajectories (or vectors), as discussed below. 2) Growth / Refinement Continues Indefinately Enlightenment, connates, to me at least, an endpoint. The model views trajectories of growth and refinement as continuing. One level of this is Self is seen in more and deeper dimensions of previously non-self. Even those claiming Brahman (or as they would say, Brahamn claiming them), an apparent and proported endpoint, report continual reintegration of Self across more and more phenomenon and actions. Thus some level of growth continues, even when all has been attained The proposed model views the mapping of points in the multi-dimensional space as milestones or simple current mappings of ongoing trajectories -- with no necessary endpoint (or one so far out there is is silly to contemplate). Thus, in this models' view, saying there are 100 million different flavors of the rest stops of the many people on the path is correct and good. But saying there are 100 million flavors of enlightenment or endpoints -- that is mu -- none-sensical, in this open-ended framework -- where trajectories of growth can continue indefinately -- at least to rainbow body etc. 3) Cross-personal experiences are almost unrankable in 10 dimensions. While someone whose experience and attainments maps to (10,9,10,11,8,12,7,10,9,10) is a bit further along than someone mapped at (2,1,3,2,1,4,2,3,4,3), most such comparisions and rankings cannot be made. (2,4,3,6,9,11,15,4,11,9) and (8,12,5,12,9,,5,4,4,3) are two different people with quite differnt progress on the 10 dimensions of spiritual growth, but no one can say one is higher than the other. 4) The saint / enlightened issue is resolved. Person A might score very high on the scales of no I, no doer, witnessng sleep inner glow but very low on compassion, anger management, resolving returning karma, native intelligence, speaking ill of others, being manipulative, cold.. Person B might be be highly compassionate, very loving, always suportive, always sacraficing for others, but still has some sense of I, does not always witness sleep, and pushes themselves to DO MORE. And some one might score high or low on all dimensions. 5) Provides a wider map of human growth and development and reduces the tendency for one-dimensional views of enlightenement and growth. That is, subsets of the larger map have a harder time claiming superiority over other subsets. If that sounds obtuse, let me give an example. Borrowing the cases above. Person A may ridicule person B
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
On Oct 12, 2005, at 2:10 PM, akasha_108 wrote: Better yet would be a two dimensional scale, like an xy graph. It helps dispose of the linearity and alleged necessary sequence of "happenings". For example, various peoples experience could be plotted on two characteristics of the "the experience" -- as a scatter plot. In terms of xy values, there may be individual experiences at points (1,2) (1,3) (4,4) (2,1) (2,2) (3,2) etc. While easier to simply plot visually, or draw on a blackboard, bear with me. It provides a non-ranking way of viewing various types of awakening experience. Experience (1,2) is different from (2,1) but clearly not "better". Though (4,4) is acknowledged as richer than (3,3). Have you seen Bentov's time/space/consciousness scale? That's the best experiential model I've seen conveyed. Very nice. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths
--- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 10/12/05 10:56 AM, Patrick Gillam at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's why Sandy had her friend drive when they ventured out on highway 34 on a winter day to check her horse, which she stabled near Ottumwa. Her friend Susan, who was driving, was in an coma for a few days after the accident. Still has pins in her leg. She was in a CC-like state of detachment (unrelated to the accident) for many years. Hated it. Came to one of our Wednesday night satsangs and cried. Popped out of the duality state as she was leaving, and has been in Unity since. Very happy lady now. Ho Humjust another day at the satsang! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
On Oct 12, 2005, at 2:10 PM, akasha_108 wrote:Enlightenment, connates, to me at least, an endpoint.Hmmm. Never got that., although unimpeded omniscience might seem that way.clip The proposed model views the mapping of points in the multi-dimensional space as milestones or simple current mappings of ongoing trajectories -- with no necessary endpoint (or one so far "out there" is is silly to contemplate). Thus, in this models' view, saying there are 100 million different flavors of the rest stops of the many people on the "path" is correct and good. But saying there are 100 million flavors of "enlightenment" or endpoints -- that is "mu" -- none-sensical, in this open-ended framework -- where trajectories of growth can continue indefinately -- at least to rainbow body etc. But even Rainbow body is a beginning since they have the ability to divide into tens of thousands of different manifestations, all capable of incarnating or affecting other dimensions--and not necessarily within linear time.One person I spoke to on retreat a number of years ago claimed that M. did a lecture on the "absolute body" based on the cognitions of Brighu rishi where he described these various bodies. I wish someone would present a transcript--which used to circulate. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom T: He also set up a scale of Enlightment which appears to be quite useful since on his scale it extends from a nominal value from 700 to 1200, Pretty broad range and a lot of insight in the third book about that range and the cast of characters that play in it. Tom Better yet would be a two dimensional scale, like an xy graph. It helps dispose of the linearity and alleged necessary sequence of happenings. And even better still might be a hearty Who cares, followed by an even heartier laugh. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths
--- Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Peter Sutphen wrote: --- Patrick Gillam wrote: Sandy Kopff was 47 when her car slid into an oncoming truck between Fairfield and Ottumwa. I'm told the accident was one she was trying to avoid by virtue of having been warned by a jyotishi. She had been in a car accident a few weeks earlier. A friend of hers was driving during the fatal incident; they lost control when passing over an icy patch on the road. It was just east of that country western bar. I heard that her jyotish, done a few days before, said nothing about her being at risk. Funny we would hear conflicting stories. Your version is more detailed...I'd go with that. Some time ago when I lived in Fairfield Charlie Heath had some new jytoish software so he did my chart and saw that there was a specific period I was entering that I was at risk for an accident in a car. He also said that it seemed that no injury would occur. A few weeks later on my way to Iowa City, a women turned in front of me to go into the then new Wal Mart. I smacked right into her at 60MPH totaling her car and my car. Neither of us had a scratch. I told Charlie about it and he was so excited that he saw it coming. That's the only time I've ever been impressed by jyotish. __ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 10/12/05 8:06 AM, Paula Youmans at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello I am very new on this list, but wanted to respond to this last bit. I am one of those people who somehow managed to experience things in reverse order. Strangely, it had the opposite effect on my ego...to the point that I felt I wasn¹t even ³allowed² one. The real point I wanted to make about reaching those experiences before proper development is that it almost crippled my life as well as my mind. In my life I would not change a thing about the way it happened, but I can see how it can be both confusing and dangerous. Very dangerous actually. I look forward to getting to know this list J Paula Paula, have you read ³Collision with the Infinite² - http://tinyurl.com/exuwz I think you would enjoy it. Ditto on that. The story of a woman awakening to the horror of the fullness of emptiness. __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom T: He also set up a scale of Enlightment which appears to be quite useful since on his scale it extends from a nominal value from 700 to 1200, Pretty broad range and a lot of insight in the third book about that range and the cast of characters that play in it. Tom Better yet would be a two dimensional scale, like an xy graph. It helps dispose of the linearity and alleged necessary sequence of happenings. And even better still might be a hearty Who cares, followed by an even heartier laugh. :-) Well you are just sitting in for the Real Unc, so your points don't count -- and are like a candle in a windless place. Dim. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your version is more detailed...I'd go with that. Some time ago when I lived in Fairfield Charlie Heath had some new jytoish software so he did my chart and saw that there was a specific period I was entering that I was at risk for an accident in a car. He also said that it seemed that no injury would occur. A few weeks later on my way to Iowa City, a women turned in front of me to go into the then new Wal Mart. I smacked right into her at 60MPH totaling her car and my car. Neither of us had a scratch. I told Charlie about it and he was so excited that he saw it coming. That's the only time I've ever been impressed by jyotish. The other night I watched the film Paycheck, based upon on a story by the great Philip K. Dick. As usual, the film didn't do justice to the ideas in the original story, but it did have one part that caught my ear, because it summed up many of my feelings about Jyotish or other methods of prognostication. (I've never been interested.) In the film, they develop a machine that sees into the future. They see a war coming, so they start doing things to prevent it, things that are misinterpreted and cause the war. The basic premise is that the drawback of seeing the future is that once you've seen it and convinced yourself it's true, you start subcon- sciously trying to make it come about. I'd rather just see what happens when it happens... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths
Nat is very much alive. Some to add to the untimely list: Denise Robatai Julia Fritz Sharon Welsh Tobi Finebloom Sabine (German lady) all were on Mother Divine. Skip Alexander Debbie Kockel the Purusha guy in the fire --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 10/12/05 12:39 AM, gullible fool at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Margaret Cooper MS 60 Maybe I'm thinking of a different Margaret Norman, but the one I know, part of the Cambridge center for a while and a resident of my town before moving to ff with husband Norman, was a lot younger than 60. I thought she was 37 or so at the time. Different person. There's also the audiovisual guy who was hit by lightning while hiking up a mountain in Colorado. Also, Goldfaber. Nat is still alive, isn't he? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Proclaiming ones enlightenment
This is one of the clearest responses articulating the condition of I after realization. It's brilliant. Wondering what happens to the I in enlightenment is like asking what happens to the knot after it's untied; what happens to the darkness when the light is turned on. What happens is that they no longer exist. They are not accounted for because they cease to beassimilated, silenced, replaced by no-thing! snip Questioner: There is confusion about the state of enlightenment and about the individual to whom it happens or who is it that has become enlightened. There is a common saying that the truly enlightened being does not claim to be enlightened, so that anybody who states that they are must be in error, Answer: There is great difficulity in describing a condition that is not within the experiental reality of the ego, and especially in answering a question the asking of which stems from the dualistic paradigm of reality of the questioner. An enlightened being *is* their condition; thus, there is no purpose to make a 'claim'. That is an ego view. The personal self does not become enlightened or transformed but instead is assimilated, silenced, and replaced by a different condition altogether. Implied in the common saying that we are discussing is the belief that to disclaim being enlightened is a form of modesty. This is a projection of the spiritual ego of the originator of such a statement for in the condition of enlightenment, no egotism remains. The state is merely a simple fact; it is not an achievment. It has no merits or anything which is laudatory that would require the posture of pseudo-humility. In the naive spiritual community, there is much adulation, charismatic glamour, and the importance attributed to 'enlightened masters', and the like.These are projections. To the enlightened being, the state is merely the natural condition of how it is. Tom T Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths
--- andrasayer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nat is very much alive. Some to add to the untimely list: Denise Robatai Julia Fritz Sharon Welsh Tobi Finebloom Sabine (German lady) all were on Mother Divine. Skip Alexander Debbie Kockel the Purusha guy in the fire Sten, Rick's friend --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 10/12/05 12:39 AM, gullible fool at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Margaret Cooper MS 60 Maybe I'm thinking of a different Margaret Norman, but the one I know, part of the Cambridge center for a while and a resident of my town before moving to ff with husband Norman, was a lot younger than 60. I thought she was 37 or so at the time. Different person. There's also the audiovisual guy who was hit by lightning while hiking up a mountain in Colorado. Also, Goldfaber. Nat is still alive, isn't he? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Better yet would be a two dimensional scale, like an xy graph. It helps dispose of the linearity and alleged necessary sequence of happenings. And even better still might be a hearty Who cares, followed by an even heartier laugh. :-) Well you are just sitting in for the Real Unc, so your points don't count -- and are like a candle in a windless place. Dim. Dim, bright...there you go with the measurement thang again. Isn't it enough to be an emitter of light rather than darkness? :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Proclaiming ones enlightenment
On Oct 12, 2005, at 2:39 PM, Peter wrote:This is one of the clearest responses articulating the condition of "I" after realization. It's brilliant. Wondering what happens to the "I" in enlightenment is like asking what happens to the knot after it's untied; what happens to the darkness when the light is turned on. What happens is that they no longer exist. They are not accounted for because they cease to be"assimilated, silenced, replaced" by no-thing! Answer: There is great difficulity in describing acondition that isnot within the experiental reality of the ego, andespecially inanswering a question the asking of which stems fromthe dualisticparadigm of reality of the questioner. Anenlightened being *is* theircondition; thus, there is no purpose to make a'claim'. That is an egoview.The personal self does not become enlightened ortransformed butinstead is assimilated, silenced, and replaced by adifferentcondition altogether.Implied in the common saying that we are discussingis the belief thatto disclaim being enlightened is a form of modesty.This is aprojection of the spiritual ego of the originator ofsuch a statementfor in the condition of enlightenment, no egotismremains. The stateis merely a simple fact; it is not an achievment. Ithas no merits oranything which is laudatory that would require theposture ofpseudo-humility. In the naive spiritual community,there is muchadulation, charismatic glamour, and the importanceattributed to'enlightened masters', and the like.These areprojections. To theenlightened being, the state is merely the naturalcondition of how it is.From my POV it represents a fundamental misunderstanding of the eastern experience of "ahamkara" (translated often as "ego") and the Freudian, psychological or New Age idea of "ego". The two are not the same, although many assume they are. When you lose ahamkara, you lose the ability to identify with your body. In laymen's terms, you die. In general, organs and cells don't like it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Orthorexia Nervosa
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just came across this. Know anyone or groups of people like this? Orthodox Jews? * Orthorexia nervosa o Not an official eating disorder diagnosis, but the concept is useful. The name was coined by Steven Bratman, M.D. to describe a pathological fixation on eating proper or pure or superior food. o People with orthorexia nervosa feel superior to others who eat improper food, which might include non-organic or junk foods and items found in regular grocery stores, as opposed to health food stores. o Orthorexics obsess over what to eat, how much to eat, how to prepare food properly, and where to obtain pure and proper foods. o Eating the right food becomes an important ,or even the primary, focus of life. One's worth or goodness is seen in terms of what one does or does not eat. Personal values, relationships, career goals, and friendships become less important than the quality and timing of what is consumed. o Perhaps related to, or a type of, obsessive-compulsive disorder Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Better yet would be a two dimensional scale, like an xy graph. It helps dispose of the linearity and alleged necessary sequence of happenings. And even better still might be a hearty Who cares, followed by an even heartier laugh. :-) Well you are just sitting in for the Real Unc, so your points don't count -- and are like a candle in a windless place. Dim. Dim, bright...there you go with the measurement thang again. Isn't it enough to be an emitter of light rather than darkness? :-) Darness emittor? How did you find out about that? You must be from the dark side as well, brother. Actually, to be serious for a second (its hard), I am using the scale thing NOT to measure and compare, but rather to get away from that and provide a map, as a visual tool, to indicate that thre is huge diversity of human and spiritual growth -- and claims of superiority (often implicit) are bogus. Its a model / view that says you are emitting light? GREAT! Its a model to get away from claims that any one dimensionality measures of growth are the end all and be all, such as: I find no 'I' therefore I guess this is IT. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths
I actually died a few years ago, but I still enjoy checking in with FFL now and again. Being dead is often boring but if you like to surf the Web it can be pretty cool, because the connections are very fast and we have very good anti-virus software. We are told here that unconsciously wanting to have faster Web connections is the principal reason for untimely deaths in the TMO. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Someone sent me the following note. Anyone care to expand upon it? I was struck a number of years by the legion of meditators, sidhas, initiators, governors, ministers, Purushas, Mother Divines, rajahs and other Movement potentates who had suffered untimely deaths. You mentioned several. After all, the number of hardcore meditators is really quite small, just a few thousands, I would think. I have worked for several organizations larger than that and cannot recall anywhere near a comparable percentage of people in their 40s or 50 croaking. That clearly is a very subjective estimation. I would like to see reliable statistics on the matter--you think Dr. Robert Keith Wallace would be interested in such a research topic??!! What if we began our own accounting of such deaths? My start is the attached table. If you think it makes sense you might solicit names on FFL. Name Cause of Death Approx. Age* Dawn Casper breast cancer 50 Kristi Kamins breast cancer 52 Bobby Warren drowning 45 Geo. Gleeson heart attack 45 Margaret Cooper MS 60 David Weiner testicular cancer 44 Maxine Trzebiatowski breast cancer 45 Kurleigh King Prostate cancer Doug Henning Liver Cancer 52 Skip Alexander Liver Cancer Jane Hopson ALS (Lou Gerhirg's disease) 62 A few more come to mind Andy Kaufman -- mouth cancer ? Karen Blassdale -- brain tumor Jane Prouty -- asfixiation (co heater) Steve Shimmer -- ? was recently posted Kent Ketterhoffen (sp) was posted a bit back swiss girl just mentioned a few weeks ago cc girl at MIU? the marine, who wrote book, OD on herioin Jack K? SF bay area, also heroin I remember a story of someone dying outside domes of heart attack, the day after he saw top vaida guy A while back a friend rattled off 3-4 people who died of AIDS, some KSCI guys, and a guy married to Heidi? Seems like there are more that I have heard of but escape me at the moment. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is one of the clearest responses articulating the condition of I after realization. It's brilliant. Wondering what happens to the I in enlightenment is like asking what happens to the knot after it's untied; what happens to the darkness when the light is turned on. What happens is that they no longer exist. They are not accounted for because they cease to beassimilated, silenced, replaced by no-thing! Yes, but itÕs a bit like habitually discussing what happened on the first day of the week. If this is the assumption, enlightenment - delightful! But we live in a narrative word, it unfolds. Were enlightenment merely a psychological position, there would be little historical record. Strangely, this is not the case. With access to something other than ones own constructions a universal must necessarily seek expression. Without application enlightenment is meaningless - Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
And even better still might be a hearty Who cares, followed by an even heartier laugh. :-) Well you are just sitting in for the Real Unc, so your points don't count -- and are like a candle in a windless place. Dim. Dim, bright...there you go with the measurement thang again. Isn't it enough to be an emitter of light rather than darkness? :-) Darkness emittor? How did you find out about that? You must be from the dark side as well, brother. There was an electronics catalog a while back that used to list bogus items for sale, just to see if anyone was stupid enough to order them. One of the items offered for sale was DEDs (Darkness Emitting Diodes). They also listed WOM (Write Only Memory) chips. Amazingly, they got lots of customers trying to order them. :-) Actually, to be serious for a second (its hard), I am using the scale thing NOT to measure and compare, but rather to get away from that and provide a map, as a visual tool, to indicate that thre is huge diversity of human and spiritual growth -- and claims of superiority (often implicit) are bogus. Its a model / view that says you are emitting light? GREAT! Its a model to get away from claims that any one dimensionality measures of growth are the end all and be all, such as: I find no 'I' therefore I guess this is IT. Cool, I guess. I just find that I'm less and less interested in models or in concepts of 'progress' these days. Every day is such an adventure that there's very little time left to wonder what's next. About the only thing I'm fairly sure about is that something *will* be 'next.' :-) Like Vaj (if I understood him correctly), I see no end to the evolutionary process. IMO, we might as well just kick back and enjoy the journey, because we're going to be on it for a long time. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Orthorexia Nervosa
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I always thought it was interesting that you always seem to find the most unhealthy looking people in health food stores. Of course maybe that's why they're there. But there are patterns you can easily observe and this quote seems to catch that. Interesting. The summary / description seemed to me to describe a lot of TMO folks --very fixated on diet, and feeling superior to, or at least highly distinguished rom others who are not so satvic. Regarding health food stores, maybe its a geographic thing, but on the west coast many health food stores are supermarket sized and pretty mainstream -- not the small mom and pop hippie stores of yesteryear. And, IME, have many quite vibrant looking people in them. I find less healthy looking people (not all) at WalMart and Costco. And regular supermarkets have more health food products than health food stores of the past -- organic milk, vegetables, whole grains, bulk staples, good salad bars, fresh bakeries, tofu, etc. Of course,the definition of organic may be changing. Anyone know if the Congressional vote passed to allow approved additives for the organic label? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: For the Love of Bush
akasha_108 wrote: What is the advantage of a limited corporate life? The corporations wield too much power. And thus the solution is too abolish them? No, rein them in. Break them up. They are too large and many corporations are really a bunch of smaller groups anymore anyway. Unless you forgot this country was began as a rebellion against the British East India Companyvir a rather large and powerful multinational. And thus all coorporations today are bad and should be disolved? I would suspect that many a large corporation CEO would sigh a relief at having an almost impossible task of managing such a monster taken away from and in its place a smaller more reasonable one to manage. I suppose if you are locked into capitalistic thinking then this all sounds horrible. I am not locked into any thinking. I do favor things which works. The capital markets (and the corporate structure enables them) are the drivers of technology, innovation and growth. Not perfect, refinements always needed. But its sad you can think of no other alternative than to dissolve corporations and capital markets rather than reform them. Well you are a little wrong there. Since I work in the tech field I know that most of the innovation comes from small companies and startups. Later they may be gobbled up by a larger firm. Right now their batting average as far as the environment goes is not too good. And this is why they should be dissovled? Again thats a sad POV. Again I said nothing about dissolving them. Corporations, as well as individual proprietorships and partnerships (should they be disolved too?), are bound by environmental laws and regulation. Its primarily the governements fault, and ultimately the voters, that such laws, regulations and incentive mechanisms are weaker than optimal. Obviously you didn't read anything from the book link I included did you. Hartmann himself has a corporation. He isn't saying that you need to dissolve corporations but the restrictions the founding fathers put on them were there for good reasoning. If you want better environmental track records by corporations, tax pollution, enact real vehicle efficiency standards -- including trucks and SUVs, tax gasoline (on the order of $2/gal), enact a BTU and carbon tax (which would affect electical, natural gas and coal production), tax the full lifescyle costs of nuclear mining and waste, etc. In other words, incorporate the costs of pollution into the cost of things that pollute. As economists say, Internalize the externalities. If the above were done, corporations would have excellent environtal records. And the overall economy would be more efficient, cleaner, and growing at a faster rate (allowing more funding for things like educations and health.) I see nothing wrong with that idea. However you would still have to watch over the corporate gangsters. Just letting them run wild will plunder the planet into death. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths
Margaret Norman--around 1992? age probably early 40s cause of death anorexia complications Katherin Greco--around 2003? age early 50s; cause of death cancer Janice Langstaff--around 2002? age early 50s; cause of death cancer Carol Dixon--around 1990? age early 40s; cause of death cancer LOTS OF Premature deaths by my calculations and of longtime dedicated TMO participants --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, andrasayer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nat is very much alive. Some to add to the untimely list: Denise Robatai Julia Fritz Sharon Welsh Tobi Finebloom Sabine (German lady) all were on Mother Divine. Skip Alexander Debbie Kockel the Purusha guy in the fire --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 10/12/05 12:39 AM, gullible fool at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Margaret Cooper MS 60 Maybe I'm thinking of a different Margaret Norman, but the one I know, part of the Cambridge center for a while and a resident of my town before moving to ff with husband Norman, was a lot younger than 60. I thought she was 37 or so at the time. Different person. There's also the audiovisual guy who was hit by lightning while hiking up a mountain in Colorado. Also, Goldfaber. Nat is still alive, isn't he? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cool, I guess. I just find that I'm less and less interested in models or in concepts of 'progress' these days. And thats NOT what the model I suggest is about. Ironically, its a visualization tool to get away from all of that -- measuring and comparing and even SEEKING progress. Its a tool to stop seeking more (wow, enlightenment will sure be kewl -- and other logic train wrecks -- and simply live what is her now. Every day is such an adventure that there's very little time left to wonder what's next. About the only thing I'm fairly sure about is that something *will* be 'next.' :-) yes change is the one absolute. Like Vaj (if I understood him correctly), I see no end to the evolutionary process. Yes. My point about the Rainbow Body was not that it is an endpoint, but that it is so far beyond the no I or other experiences -- that its silly to think one has reached the pinnacle of human development -- when they have that experience. IMO, we might as well just kick back and enjoy the journey, because we're going to be on it for a long time. Actually, thats exactly my position and point. Though perhaps I get it in a more convoluted way, or a least different than you. Or not. The model, is NOT a tool to plot ones daily progress, or compare progress, etc. Its simply an antidote view to the discussions and claims of I am There and this one attribute is IT. Thats among the reasons that over the past 3 years I have defended the view that labels such as enlightenment provide little or no value. Change and refinement continue to occur even, paradoxically when non-change is at the core, and / or prevades all. And there is not one single, unitary attribute that defines the path or milesones / attributes on the path. While you may not be in need of such an antidote -- perhaps because you have not been involved in all the discussons on this list over the years (though I am sure you have been in many similar ones) -- I do find it a quenching tonic. Like bitters when one has been surrounded by a sweetness view of things. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: For the Love of Bush
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bhairitu Likewise that large corporations realize they are bad for society and ask Congress to reinstitute the laws that existed up until the Civil War when corporations did not have the rights of an individual, had limited size and life. What is the advantage of a limited corporate life? And how would the capital markets then function? Equity offerings would be for a 10 year company? Currently public shares would be converted to some limited life equity form? Limit even that though might be sub optimal for a particular market at a particular time? Let politicians determine optimal business unit sizing? Personally, I think there should be a constitutional ammendment stating that corporations have no rights save those explicitly given by Congress. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Bush Tax Panel Recommendations
akasha_108 wrote: Bush may spearhead major tax reform that provides substantial growth impetus to the economy. Proposals may include substantially reducing one of the biggest sinkholes for productive capital, the home mortgage deduction, and offsetting that with elimination of double taxation of investment income -- another current drain on productive capital. A win/win tradeoff for long-run economic growth. Also proposed are the elimination or restriction of tax preferences / incentives already embedded in the law -- essentially corporate welfare -- this along with the resulting simplification of the tax code is another great boon for economic growth. Bush Panel May Curb Tax Breaks for Homeowners, Health (Update3) Anything that Bush touches isn't trustworthy. Oct. 11 (Bloomberg) -- President George W. Bush's tax advisory panel, rejecting a fundamental overhaul, agreed to recommend limiting tax breaks for homeowners and employer- provided health-care benefits to help pay for repealing the alternative minimum tax. The panel, meeting in Washington today, agreed the current $1 million cap on deductible mortgage interest should be reduced, possibly to about $350,000, and that the deduction should yield no more than a 25 percent tax savings, down from a top savings now of about 35 percent. I would have to review how this would effect me (as well as millions of others) as probably wouldn't be able to afford my house without the deduction. I definitely at my age (58) am not going to work too jobs to pay for it. You will probably find strong opposition on this from the Realtor associations so it won't go anywhere. The panel also said it would probably recommend capping tax deductions for employer-provided health-care plans. Current law allows employers to deduct the value of premiums paid on behalf of their workers without the benefit being considered taxable income to the employee. The panel discussed placing the cap at the maximum amount the federal government pays in premiums for its workers, currently about $11,000. Yes, employer health premiums are ridiculous. A good argument for a single payer system. I noted at the company I worked at my employees would go running to the doctor for any little thing which if they were made to cover some of the cost they wouldn't. There is agreement that there is abuse of many of these healthcare benefits. ``These are the things we're looking at,'' said panel Vice Chairman John Breaux, a Democrat and former senator from Louisiana. ``We have a concept. We know where to go. We just don't have the details.'' Both changes would preserve the incentives for lower-and middle-income workers while curbing them for wealthier Americans who are getting a disproportionate benefit, panelists said. Good but I would need to study the details more. Breaux said such ``tough choices'' would raise ``a generous amount'' of taxes to help offset the $1.3 trillion cost of repealing the alternative minimum tax, he said. The minimum tax, imposed in 1969 to ensure that 200 wealthy families didn't escape tax with excess deductions, is now forcing millions of middle- income families to pay higher taxes because it was never indexed for inflation. Then should have been amended to be indexed with inflation. But I would favor get rid of some of the loopholes the rich have instead. No Sales Tax The panel decided not to endorse a national sales tax in its final recommendations and most panel members expressed reservations about a European-style value-added tax, which is in place in most industrialized countries. Yes but simpler to manage. Both systems would disproportionately hurt the poor, panelists said, and some members such as Chairman Connie Mack, the former Republican senator from Florida, and former Minnesota Representative Bill Frenzel said they worry a value-added tax would make it too easy for the government to raise money and increase spending programs. Mack asked the panel's staff to devise a specific proposal that would layer a value-added tax on the current system and reduce individual and corporate income tax rates. Still, he said that as the panel's work begins to wrap up, it's looking more and more to making changes within the current system. Value-Added Tax ``We're getting focused down on the income tax here,'' Mack said. In a later interview, he added, ``I would be surprised if we were to conclude that we want to offer a value-added tax proposal to the president.'' The panel increasingly is looking to eliminate or restrict tax preferences already embedded in the law. David Walker, the head of the Government Accountability Office, said Sept. 23 that uncollected revenue because of the incentives tripled since 1974 to $730 billion. The biggest embedded tax breaks subsidize housing and health care, Walker said. Every year even with a tax preparer I have to do too much bookkeeping for my tastes. I am more right brained than
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Bush Tax Panel Recommendations
anonymousff wrote: Tax breaks for homeownership particularly help the wealthy while lower-income people don't get enough benefits, said panelists such as Liz Ann Sonders, the chief investment officer at San Francisco-based Charles Schwab Corp. The current incentives, including the fact that most home sales are tax-free, are driving up home prices, making them unaffordable or pushing lower-income borrowers to take out risky mortgages. ``We are starting to see some significant pain here,'' Sonders said. The panel agreed to a proposal by former IRS Commissioner Charles Rossotti to make it easier for lower income Americans to get a tax break for donating money to charity. This is just more pure b.s by the PResident and his cronies who are easily the biggest crooks and liars and distorters of reality than have ever run this country. Reading their b.s is like being on a bad acid trip which I have had. One of the benefits of owning a home for the lower income people is the tax benefit. How many impoverised people are likely to increase the money they donate?! What a bunch of amazingly crooked s**t. I agree, you have to watch this bunch like a hawk before they pick your pockets. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 10/12/05 8:06 AM, Paula Youmans at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The real point I wanted to make about reaching those experiences before proper development is that it almost crippled my life as well as my mind. In my life I would not change a thing about the way it happened, but I can see how it can be both confusing and dangerous. Very dangerous actually. I look forward to getting to know this list J Paula Paula, have you read ³Collision with the Infinite² - http://tinyurl.com/exuwz I think you would enjoy it. Ditto on that. The story of a woman awakening to the horror of the fullness of emptiness. Or the books of Bernadette Roberts; I think the first is The Experience of No-Self. She's a Christian contemplative who unexpectedly slipped into the experience and had quite a struggle dealing with it, went through several stages, ending up in what sounds a lot like MMY's descriptions of Unity consciousness. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Orthorexia Nervosa
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just came across this. Know anyone or groups of people like this? Orthodox Jews? Actually no, unless they're recent converts, or Jews who recently decided to become observant. Those who grew up with kashrut take it pretty much for granted; it's second nature. * Orthorexia nervosa o Not an official eating disorder diagnosis, but the concept is useful. The name was coined by Steven Bratman, M.D. to describe a pathological fixation on eating proper or pure or superior food. o People with orthorexia nervosa feel superior to others who eat improper food, which might include non-organic or junk foods and items found in regular grocery stores, as opposed to health food stores. o Orthorexics obsess over what to eat, how much to eat, how to prepare food properly, and where to obtain pure and proper foods. o Eating the right food becomes an important ,or even the primary, focus of life. One's worth or goodness is seen in terms of what one does or does not eat. Personal values, relationships, career goals, and friendships become less important than the quality and timing of what is consumed. o Perhaps related to, or a type of, obsessive-compulsive disorder Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Untimely Deaths
Also, Goldfaber. Nat is still alive, isn't he? I'm thinking of the guy who had the skin condition. Maybe that was Goldfinger, who someone mentioned in an earlier post. --- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 10/12/05 12:39 AM, gullible fool at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Margaret Cooper MS 60 Maybe I'm thinking of a different Margaret Norman, but the one I know, part of the Cambridge center for a while and a resident of my town before moving to ff with husband Norman, was a lot younger than 60. I thought she was 37 or so at the time. Different person. There's also the audiovisual guy who was hit by lightning while hiking up a mountain in Colorado. Also, Goldfaber. Nat is still alive, isn't he? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 12, 2005, at 2:10 PM, akasha_108 wrote: Enlightenment, connates, to me at least, an endpoint. Hmmm. Never got that., although unimpeded omniscience might seem that way. Well it you may have a broader view than many. Why label some initial state with a high falutin term like enlightenment. It never made sense to me. Maybe call it first light or groggy, but eyes are open or ascended above sea level or less localized (instead of cosmic) or release from prison to a half-way house with ankle braclet instead of liberation. But even Rainbow body is a beginning since they have the ability to divide into tens of thousands of different manifestations, all capable of incarnating or affecting other dimensions--and not necessarily within linear time. Yes. My point about the Rainbow Body was not that it is an endpoint, but that it is so far beyond the no I or other such experiences -- that its silly to think one has reached the pinnacle of human development when they have that experience. First light, groggy, but eyes are open or less localized does not a Rainbow Body immediately make(eth). One person I spoke to on retreat a number of years ago claimed that M. did a lecture on the absolute body based on the cognitions of Brighu rishi where he described these various bodies. I wish someone would present a transcript--which used to circulate. I heard the Brighu lectures. At least some. If I am recalling correctly, this was part of the discussions of immortality. A main point was that a state could be reached where the body just keeps renewing itself, and keeps changing. Which appears at least plausible given the knoweldge modern genetics -- where there appear to be genes that at a certain age, turn off the body's cells ability to continually rejuvinate -- and thus one gets older and finally, as renewel gets too sluggish, dies. If the normal continuously renewing ability of cells could be maintained, the body could last much longer if not forever. I posted an article on rats where this has been done -- to a degree. The key was changing , changing changing. And M. emphasized if we don't mind this changing , changing changing forever happening happening. To me it implied some pretty different and unexpected forms could be changed into. M. mentioned Vyasa, for whom there is no record of his dropping his body. He played aronnd the edges of terming Vyasa an immortal. And being still here on earth. Himalayas I think was alluded to. Soma was part of the story I think. Someone on an India course asked, perhaps after a similar lecture, why saints like Vyasa didn't visit? M. said something about such persons would not visit a groups so unclean. Not a dis on the group, but more an indication of the purity of the immortals. I assume Baba-ji, of Yoganada stories, is an immortal like Vyasa. As many possible residents of deep areas of himalayas and other places. And ties to christ's resurrection of the body theme. Some in India / Tibet say Jesus came there after the cross. Perhaps he became an imortal and this explains, to a degree, the experiences of his presence and the whole Big Thing in Christianity about resurrection. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths
I actually died a few years ago, but I still enjoy checking in with FFL now and again. Does that mean we have only 999 members? --- scienceofabundance [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I actually died a few years ago, but I still enjoy checking in with FFL now and again. Being dead is often boring but if you like to surf the Web it can be pretty cool, because the connections are very fast and we have very good anti-virus software. We are told here that unconsciously wanting to have faster Web connections is the principal reason for untimely deaths in the TMO. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Someone sent me the following note. Anyone care to expand upon it? I was struck a number of years by the legion of meditators, sidhas, initiators, governors, ministers, Purushas, Mother Divines, rajahs and other Movement potentates who had suffered untimely deaths. You mentioned several. After all, the number of hardcore meditators is really quite small, just a few thousands, I would think. I have worked for several organizations larger than that and cannot recall anywhere near a comparable percentage of people in their 40s or 50 croaking. That clearly is a very subjective estimation. I would like to see reliable statistics on the matter--you think Dr. Robert Keith Wallace would be interested in such a research topic??!! What if we began our own accounting of such deaths? My start is the attached table. If you think it makes sense you might solicit names on FFL. Name Cause of Death Approx. Age* Dawn Casper breast cancer 50 Kristi Kamins breast cancer 52 Bobby Warren drowning 45 Geo. Gleeson heart attack 45 Margaret Cooper MS 60 David Weiner testicular cancer 44 Maxine Trzebiatowski breast cancer 45 Kurleigh King Prostate cancer Doug Henning Liver Cancer 52 Skip Alexander Liver Cancer Jane Hopson ALS (Lou Gerhirg's disease) 62 A few more come to mind Andy Kaufman -- mouth cancer ? Karen Blassdale -- brain tumor Jane Prouty -- asfixiation (co heater) Steve Shimmer -- ? was recently posted Kent Ketterhoffen (sp) was posted a bit back swiss girl just mentioned a few weeks ago cc girl at MIU? the marine, who wrote book, OD on herioin Jack K? SF bay area, also heroin I remember a story of someone dying outside domes of heart attack, the day after he saw top vaida guy A while back a friend rattled off 3-4 people who died of AIDS, some KSCI guys, and a guy married to Heidi? Seems like there are more that I have heard of but escape me at the moment. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bmorry2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LOTS OF Premature deaths by my calculations and of longtime dedicated TMO participants This notion of premature and untimely death in a group so filled with the enlightened. When someone's time is up is the only time death comes, so how is that untimely? karma Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: For the Love of Bush
Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: akasha_108 wrote: B: No, rein them in. Break them up. They are too large and many corporations are really a bunch of smaller groups anymore anyway. ... I would suspect that many a large corporation CEO would sigh a relief at having an almost impossible task of managing such a monster taken away from and in its place a smaller more reasonable one to manage. A: It may be. But thats an opinion. Not substantiated. Regardless, it in itself is not a justification for breaking up a corporation. I generally favor smaller companies -- as most reseach points out - more innovation, higher growth etc. But Corps, who ere complying with laws and regulations, are in a better postition to determine that than you are I. And the scale of some industries is such that larger is more competitive than smaller. A: I am not locked into any thinking. I do favor things which works. The capital markets (and the corporate structure enables them) are the drivers of technology, innovation and growth. Not perfect, refinements always needed. But its sad you can think of no other alternative than to dissolve corporations and capital markets rather than reform them. Well you are a little wrong there. Since I work in the tech field I know that most of the innovation comes from small companies and startups. Later they may be gobbled up by a larger firm. You are missing my point. I was refering to capital markets being the drivers of technology, innovation and growth. The reference to corps was that it would be hard to have capital markets without corporations. It did not reference size of corps. I agree, studies show more innivation comes from smaller companies. Most of which are still corporations. Right now their batting average as far as the environment goes is not too good. And this is why they should be dissovled? Again thats a sad POV. Again I said nothing about dissolving them. A: What are you proposing then? Limiting their size? Thus breaking them up into many parts? In that case, the original form is dissolved. A: Its primarily the governements fault, and ultimately the voters, that such laws, regulations and incentive mechanisms are weaker than optimal. If you want better environmental track records by corporations, tax pollution, enact real vehicle efficiency standards -- including trucks and SUVs, tax gasoline (on the order of $2/gal), enact a BTU and carbon tax (which would affect electical, natural gas and coal production), tax the full lifescyle costs of nuclear mining and waste, etc. In other words, incorporate the costs of pollution into the cost of things that pollute. As economists say, Internalize theexternalities. If the above were done, corporations would have excellent environtal records. And the overall economy would be more efficient, cleaner, and growing at a faster rate (allowing more funding for things like educations and health.) I see nothing wrong with that idea. However you would still have to watch over the corporate gangsters. Just letting them run wild will plunder the planet into death. We are all for law enforcement. And currently corps and CEO are getting prosecuted to the extent of the current law. If current law allows for corps to dump uncompensated costs on sociey, laws adn regulations should be made stronger. Again, the problem is not primarily a particular business structure or its size, but its a problem of inadequate legislation and regulation to prevent cost dumping / externalities dumping on society. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: the monkey story..
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm talking about the research that found that once you taught 100 monkeys a trick and they learn something then in a different place other monkeys learn the same thing much faster. some consciousness connection. anyone remembers the monkey story? I'm looking for a link to the story or maybe one of you can post it down here... thnkx Turns out, they swim to the next island and teach the monkeys there. Not being sarcastic. It's what the followup study found out. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: the monkey story..
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Turns out, they swim to the next island and teach the monkeys there. Not being sarcastic. It's what the followup study found out. Are you sure they aren't the flying monkeys Unc says fly out his ass? (But I bet they are not in the mood to teach or learn anything) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] There was an electronics catalog a while back that used to list bogus items for sale, just to see if anyone was stupid enough to order them. One of the items offered for sale was DEDs (Darkness Emitting Diodes). They also listed WOM (Write Only Memory) chips. Amazingly, they got lots of customers trying to order them. :-) Thats funny. DEDs: Kind of a black hole on a chip. Just dont touch it WOMs were what we used to call Seelisberg -- you can write and wrie to it but never can retrieve any information from it. I always wanted a reverse microwave -- which freezes things in seconds. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Actions of Enlightened...Speculation at best
Actions of enlightened beings, such speculation by the ignorant. fly off the handle at the most (seemingly) minimal transgression and curse others, the greatest rishis of ancient lore would. wailing at his loss of Sita, Rama would be seen He killed. As did Krishna. Actions of an enlightened one, Would someone looking from a distance think these such? fleecing his flocks.. mmy does clearly seeing from the Sahasranama chakra down through the sushumna to the Muladhara, is the one who can determine. Puppets we are... wanting to know. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
Thank you for the suggested reading! I have not read this yet but I will J I too was raised Christian (Catholic actually) . You would not believe how incredibly fast I had to dump out my belief system just to get by I look forward to reading this stuff! Oh, btwpeople mentioned having a master look at you and tell you where you have been or what it was you reached? Is that really possible? Where in the heck do you find such people??? Not sure why that intrigues mebut it does. Paula, have you read ³Collision with the Infinite² - http://tinyurl.com/exuwz I think you would enjoy it. Ditto on that. The story of a woman awakening to the horror of the fullness of emptiness. Or the books of Bernadette Roberts; I think the first is The Experience of No-Self. She's a Christian contemplative who unexpectedly slipped into the experience and had quite a struggle dealing with it, went through several stages, ending up in what sounds a lot like MMY's descriptions of Unity consciousness. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 1,000 Members
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In case you didn¹t notice, our membership now stands at 1,000. Although a few of us prefer to sit when interfacing with the group. snip All of the above. Hands on the board, standing or sitting. so much time spent composing smart replies Serious mental masturbation..it is. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
Ive been slapped sillya few times lol. The ego loss was just the tip of the iceberg. Getting rather used to it by nowand each journey has gotten easier. I feel like through meditation that I have gained some control, but I have far to go. I dont mind one bitId rather be on the ride then standing in the sidelines watching others have all the fun ;) Hell, when its over I just might go again if I can find another ticket lol! Yes, completely outside mind good way to put it! I also like how in another post you mentioned the fullness of emptiness J Seems like you got slapped hard when that I went. I lost it leaving the dome one afternoon. Consciousness withdrew back into itself and there was no I or individuality. The mind freaked-out, but everything kept on working all by itself. Consciousness apperceived itself as a point. No dimensions or time at all in that point...no inside or outside either! Completely outside mind. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paula Youmans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you for the suggested reading! I have not read this yet but I will :-) I too was raised Christian (Catholic actually) . You would not believe how incredibly fast I had to dump out my belief system just to get by I can imagine...sort of. Yes, Roberts had the same problem. It's been awhile since I read it, but as I recall toward the end, when things finally began to stabilize for her consciousness- wise, she was also able to understand the Trinity and other Catholic doctrine in a radically different way. Certainly not anything the priests she tried to consult would have recognized. Have you ever read anything of Meister Eckhardt? I remember he was one of the few Catholic mystics she found helpful. I look forward to reading this stuff! Enjoy! Tell us what you think after you do. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Seems like you got slapped hard when that I went. I lost it leaving the dome one afternoon. Consciousness withdrew back into itself and there was no I or individuality. The mind freaked-out, but everything kept on working all by itself. Consciousness apperceived itself as a point. No dimensions or time at all in that point...no inside or outside either! Completely outside mind. Peter, just out of curiosity, did you happen to leave a post to somewhat this effect on alt.meditation.transcendental some years ago? I remember *somebody* did, but can't remember the name. As I recall, the experience was relatively fresh at the time the post was made, within a few months at most. Whoever it was didn't stick around, but the post made quite an impression. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: For the Love of Bush
akasha_108 wrote: Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: akasha_108 wrote: B: No, rein them in. Break them up. They are too large and many corporations are really a bunch of smaller groups anymore anyway. ... I would suspect that many a large corporation CEO would sigh a relief at having an almost impossible task of managing such a monster taken away from and in its place a smaller more reasonable one to manage. A: It may be. But thats an opinion. Not substantiated. Regardless, it in itself is not a justification for breaking up a corporation. I generally favor smaller companies -- as most reseach points out - more innovation, higher growth etc. But Corps, who ere complying with laws and regulations, are in a better postition to determine that than you are I. And the scale of some industries is such that larger is more competitive than smaller. A: I am not locked into any thinking. I do favor things which works. The capital markets (and the corporate structure enables them) are the drivers of technology, innovation and growth. Not perfect, refinements always needed. But its sad you can think of no other alternative than to dissolve corporations and capital markets rather than reform them. Well you are a little wrong there. Since I work in the tech field I know that most of the innovation comes from small companies and startups. Later they may be gobbled up by a larger firm. You are missing my point. I was refering to capital markets being the drivers of technology, innovation and growth. The reference to corps was that it would be hard to have capital markets without corporations. It did not reference size of corps. I agree, studies show more innivation comes from smaller companies. Most of which are still corporations. Right now their batting average as far as the environment goes is not too good. And this is why they should be dissovled? Again thats a sad POV. Again I said nothing about dissolving them. A: What are you proposing then? Limiting their size? Thus breaking them up into many parts? In that case, the original form is dissolved. A: Its primarily the governements fault, and ultimately the voters, that such laws, regulations and incentive mechanisms are weaker than optimal. If you want better environmental track records by corporations, tax pollution, enact real vehicle efficiency standards -- including trucks and SUVs, tax gasoline (on the order of $2/gal), enact a BTU and carbon tax (which would affect electical, natural gas and coal production), tax the full lifescyle costs of nuclear mining and waste, etc. In other words, incorporate the costs of pollution into the cost of things that pollute. As economists say, Internalize theexternalities. If the above were done, corporations would have excellent environtal records. And the overall economy would be more efficient, cleaner, and growing at a faster rate (allowing more funding for things like educations and health.) I see nothing wrong with that idea. However you would still have to watch over the corporate gangsters. Just letting them run wild will plunder the planet into death. We are all for law enforcement. And currently corps and CEO are getting prosecuted to the extent of the current law. If current law allows for corps to dump uncompensated costs on sociey, laws adn regulations should be made stronger. Again, the problem is not primarily a particular business structure or its size, but its a problem of inadequate legislation and regulation to prevent cost dumping / externalities dumping on society. No offense but you sound like an armchair economist because I know several economists and they don't talk this way. ;-) You sound more like someone who has bought into some kind of libertarian thinking. We'll have to agree to disagree. :) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
On Oct 12, 2005, at 4:02 PM, akasha_108 wrote: Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 12, 2005, at 2:10 PM, akasha_108 wrote: Enlightenment, connates, to me at least, an endpoint. Hmmm. Never got that., although unimpeded omniscience might seem that way. Well it you may have a broader view than many. Why label some initial state with a high falutin term like enlightenment. It never made sense to me. Nor me. My lingering question having been a youngster when I started TM--as I strongly suspected we weren't being given the full picture-- was what did others have to say? Seven states of Consciousness? The Self resting in the Self? Eventually you get the answers. Look deep enough and you get the experiences too, not stuck on some initial experiences of clarity or bliss or the elements relaxing or calm or movement or presence. Maybe call it first light or groggy, but eyes are open or ascended above sea level or less localized (instead of cosmic) or release from prison to a half-way house with ankle braclet instead of liberation. Yeah I remember after learning Sanskrit trying to find out what all the *real* words were for all the TM buzzwords and experiences. Cosmic Consciousness wasn't that cosmic at all, how disappointing and how enlightening. All it really means is Beyond the Fourth. It was interesting after TM daze to hang out with yogis who had profound experiential knowledge and seeing all these students who thought they were enlightened. A real learning experience. But even Rainbow body is a beginning since they have the ability to divide into tens of thousands of different manifestations, all capable of incarnating or affecting other dimensions--and not necessarily within linear time. Yes. My point about the Rainbow Body was not that it is an endpoint, but that it is so far beyond the no I or other such experiences -- that its silly to think one has reached the pinnacle of human development when they have that experience. First light, groggy, but eyes are open or less localized does not a Rainbow Body immediately make(eth). One person I spoke to on retreat a number of years ago claimed that M. did a lecture on the absolute body based on the cognitions of Brighu rishi where he described these various bodies. I wish someone would present a transcript--which used to circulate. I heard the Brighu lectures. At least some. If I am recalling correctly, this was part of the discussions of immortality. A main point was that a state could be reached where the body just keeps renewing itself, and keeps changing. Which appears at least plausible given the knoweldge modern genetics -- where there appear to be genes that at a certain age, turn off the body's cells ability to continually rejuvinate -- and thus one gets older and finally, as renewel gets too sluggish, dies. If the normal continuously renewing ability of cells could be maintained, the body could last much longer if not forever. I posted an article on rats where this has been done -- to a degree. Yeah we had talked at little bit about aglets and the new research on that. Ultimately IMO, something has to give. You may extend life to several hundred years but it now appears the downside to this is you will simply digest time more slowly. You will move very slowly under that type of life extension. The Naths had better ideas which even Marco Polo got to see. The key was changing , changing changing. And M. emphasized if we don't mind this changing , changing changing forever happening happening. To me it implied some pretty different and unexpected forms could be changed into. M. mentioned Vyasa, for whom there is no record of his dropping his body. He played aronnd the edges of terming Vyasa an immortal. And being still here on earth. Himalayas I think was alluded to. My Patanjali guru said there were at least six Vyasas. Different people. Under Vaishnava influence, many works were attributed to Vyasa which never were his--most notably Badarayana. Soma was part of the story I think. Oh ok. This sounds like it is part of the triple hut retreat thing (which was talked of but never materialized). Someone on an India course asked, perhaps after a similar lecture, why saints like Vyasa didn't visit? M. said something about such persons would not visit a groups so unclean. Not a dis on the group, but more an indication of the purity of the immortals. I assume Baba-ji, of Yoganada stories, is an immortal like Vyasa. As many possible residents of deep areas of himalayas and other places. IIRC Babaji is Goraknath or an emanation thereof. The Naths were into the whole immortality trip. And ties to christ's resurrection of the body theme. Some in India / Tibet say Jesus came there after the cross. I heard it was in the missing early, pre-saviour years, before the first book tour :-). Seriously, that place is in Kashmir. Perhaps he
[FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths...
It's perceived as untimely because these people cast of their mortal coils way ahead of the statistically established life expectancy for the society they live in This perception is reinforced by the assumption that leading the life of a meditator promotes longevity --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, brahmachari108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bmorry2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LOTS OF Premature deaths by my calculations and of longtime dedicated TMO participants This notion of premature and untimely death in a group so filled with the enlightened. When someone's time is up is the only time death comes, so how is that untimely? karma Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Proclaiming ones enlightenment
Tom T: I have two friends who are Enlightened Spare egg writes: And you know this because? Tom T: Takes one to know one. and as Rick insinuated I know a lot more than two. More like 32 or so. I was referring to these specific two who had the same experience independently of each other. Your milage may vary. Tom Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 1,000 Members
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, brahmachari108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In case you didn¹t notice, our membership now stands at 1,000. Although a few of us prefer to sit when interfacing with the group. snip All of the above. Hands on the board, standing or sitting. so much time spent composing smart replies Serious mental masturbation..it is. No time at all. Such responses occur in a flash as soon as the triggering post is read. It takes longer to type than concieve. But that too .. talking seconds or a minute only. It might seem like masterbation to whom the constantly orgasmic mind .. it has not dawned. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: For the Love of Bush
No offense but you sound like an armchair economist because I know several economists and they don't talk this way. ;-) Ah. you are the expert then. You sound more like someone who has bought into some kind of libertarian thinking. Nope. Everything I say I have worked through myself. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Proclaiming ones enlightenment
Vaj writes: Can you share anything further about his scale of enlightenment and how it goes? The upper limit scale goes like this. The entire thing is way too long to copy. Tom T Sainthood 575 Very close to Enlightenment Bliss 575+ Sat chit ananda Enlightenment 600 Bliss replaced by peace, stillness, and silence I Am 650 Awareness of the I as beingness or is-ness Self 680 As Existence Sage 700 Sage 740 Self as God Manifest I (as a total statement)740 As the Ultimate Reality; the Supreme Self 840 As beyond Existence or Nonexistence Avatar 985 Buddahood 1000 At-oneness with God Manifest and Unmanifest Krishna/Christ Consciousness 1000 At-oneness woith GOd Manifest and Unmanifest I 1100 as the Ultimate Reality beyond this dimension transcending dimensions. I 1200 As essence of Creation Archangel 50,000+ Divinity Infinite Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
Paula: Ego loss is a tricky subject for me, because when it is gone.there is no I to lose it. So in that regard, of course I have an ego lol. When I disappeared there was no me to experience it.quite literally. So did I lose ego? That is a good question. (Rubbing my chin in deep thought). I will tell you the experience and let you decide. I was in water at the time what I consider to be me began to disseminate. The next thing I was aware of was the question who are you? The question reminded me that I did, in fact, exist..as I was trying to remember who I was, I felt the words I am. coming from my own mind and everything came rushing back as I was launched out of the water. A: Hi Paula, Welcome to the group. And thank you for sharing your experience. Your post has triggered several memories and questions. As a kid, maybe starting at 8 or 10, I had a repeated inquiry -- I was a curious sort of kid (as in inquisitive and odd). I kept looking at the sky and visualizing another kid my age -- in Japan actually -- though I had not much connection there. I think it was my idea of as different and foreign as could be (this was around 1960). And I kept asking myself, what makes me different from him. It was clear that there were surface differences -- that was the point in choosing someone in a vastly different culture. But I was after the question of identity: what is it that makes me me different from what makes him him. I would think about this alot, off and on, taking a few minutes to quietly ponder, a short intermission among normal kid stuff. I knew at the time this was an odd or tricky question. Particularly in that I did not have a refined vocabulary and related concepts to sort out some distinctions -- mind, intellect, memory. I had the same dizzy feeling in thinking these thoughts -- as when later in years I first viewed Escher drawings. Or thinking where does space end? Or what was there before the universe wa created. All of these gave the same sort of topsy-turvy, where does this start sort-of-feeling I had as the 10 year old thinking of my japanese friend. It was sort of a who is the me that is wondering who is the him in him? paradox. I would often shake my head and laugh hard -- because it was really funny -- and give up for a while. After some time it occurred to me that Me and the inner part of the japanese boy Him were the same and interchangable. And I would play a game with him, in my mind, where we would switch. Not switch outer roles -- my vision and memories and all would still stay under the oak trees in California, but We -- the background He and Me would switch. It was so awesome and funny -- to suddenly switch and yet everything was exactly the same. Nothing happened. But ut was clear We switched Upon reflection as an adult, I can think, that sounds like 'ego loss' from a somewhat different angle from yours. A more 'ego separation' -- the localized (in california) me, and the Me that was the same as the boy in Japan that we could 'switch' at will. Or maybe its just me as an adult, with strong ego mechnaisms that I am unaware of, putting a precocious spin on a childhood flight of imagination. Actually, I don't think that its the latter, in that I don't see that blonde little kid under the California oaks as Me. Its not me trying to puff my ego, in that that kid is not Me. There is no link to Me other than its just a kid i used to know pretty well, that is, i knew the inside of his mind and all. In parallel fashion, the person who posted a year ago to this list as Akasha is a person I know pretty well, have some familiarity with, but is not Me -- any more than you are me -- in the social and physical sense of me. So there has been an appreciation of various layers of Me/me for some time, going back to childhood or kiddom. And a stronger identity with the non-localized Me the part that I could switch, than the outer social me. And the latter, in years or days or minutes is just an image of some other guy, one of the guys, like my friends, but not Me. But I did not experience that as the stark no I that you appear to have or others have. And there was, through my youth and adulthood, a me that desired, strove for things, got hurt, got angry, etc. I could switch between Me and me to a degree. And in my mid teens when I started TM, the sense or glow of Me was stronger and more switchable with me when I wanted it. But other times, I was absorbed in me and dealing with lots of me issues. The me clearly had problems and constrants. Many have been dealt with over the years. Others have not been so well. So the question is, does your sense of no I include an absence of localized issues that affect you, distinct from You? In other words, for example, if someone insults you, that is, someone -- or an event -- pushes a really deep button, do you still feel insulted? And that gets to the point, are there still any buttons to push that can get you riled up enough so that you
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
On Oct 12, 2005, at 8:45 PM, akasha_108 wrote: Or thinking where does space end? Or what was there before the universe wa[s] created. Yes. I had the precise same thought processes. Frustrating as a 7 year old with no one who could answer and adults increasingly projecting weirdness. Were you able to meditate on this? I would bet you also wondered what was there before you were born, no? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 1,000 Members ....999 actually
Only 999 since Peter Sutphen died. Off World Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Untimely Deaths
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- andrasayer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nat is very much alive. Some to add to the untimely list: Denise Robatai Julia Fritz Sharon Welsh Tobi Finebloom Sabine (German lady) all were on Mother Divine. Skip Alexander Debbie Kockel the Purusha guy in the fire Sten, Rick's friend Curly King. George Harrison. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
Vaj, (and others) This is an odd question, and perhaps is better dealt with off line. Which I was going to do, but then thought others might have some insights or information. I just has a jusxtapostion of thoughts. In thinking about the japanese boy I used to switch Mynesses with, per prior adjacent post, it ocurred to me that he was asian, and I might have simply labeled him as japanese because as a 10 year old in 1960, thats what he looked like. I would see his face. It was more an image of someone, but not as if they were there in real time, live. And I remember now, he wore a white cloak sort of thing, with a white hoood, that had dark blue embroidery, with symbols, around the edge of the hood. And maybe similar dark blue vest or something under the hood. Maybe he wore beads or somethin(s) areound his neck. And he had very short clipped hair. Like all the kid monks I saw in thailand years later. It never occured to me before, until now, that the cloak and hood could be some sort of dress of some type monk order. And could be from anywhere in asia, not just japan. I then remembered you talking about transmissions of non-duality or some such broad experience, by various adepts that could reach people far and away. And even many years later. Does the switching experience I described correspond to any types of standard transmissions that you are aware of? Does the clothng I described, white cloak, hood, dark bue symbol laden embrodery ring a bell for any monastic or adept orders of children for which you are familiar? Either now/ 1960's or any time in the past? Are there / were there any 10 year old adepts doing such transmissions? Probably not. But it just seems to fit together in a way. Maybe just an unknown, that is, unconscious (to me) ego mechanism flaming up to make me feel spiritual. Or maybe it was me in the past, transmitting to my future self, in California, 1960. Ha ha, now thats funny. Then it was both Me and me. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
Vaj, (and others) This is an odd question, and perhaps is better dealt with off line. Which I was going to do, but then thought others might have some insights or information. I just haD a juxtapostion of thoughts. In thinking about the japanese boy I used to switch Mynesses with, per prior adjacent post, it ocurred to me that he was Asian, and I might have simply labeled him as Japanese because as a 10 year old in 1960, thats what he looked like to me. I would see his face. It was more an image of someone, but not as if they were there in real time, live. And I remember now, he wore a white cloak sort of thing, with a white hoood, that had dark blue embroidery, with symbols, around the edge of the hood. And maybe similar dark blue vest or something under the hood. Maybe he wore beads or somethin(s) areound his neck. And he had very short clipped hair. Like all the kid monks I saw in thailand years later. It never occured to me before, until now, that the cloak and hood could be some sort of dress of some type monk order. And could be from anywhere in asia, not just japan. I then remembered you talking about transmissions of non-duality or some such broad experience, by various adepts that could reach people far and away. And even many years later. Does the switching experience I described correspond to any types of standard transmissions that you are aware of? Does the clothng I described, white cloak, hood, dark bue symbol laden embrodery ring a bell for any monastic or adept orders of children for which you are familiar? Either now/ 1960's or any time in the past? Are there / were there any 10 year old adepts doing such transmissions? Probably not. But it just seems to fit together in a way. Maybe just an unknown, that is, unconscious (to me) ego mechanism flaming up to make me feel spiritual. Or maybe it was me in the past, transmitting to my future self, in California, 1960. Ha ha, now thats funny. Then it was both Me and me. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/