[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 8, 2005, at 12:30 PM, sparaig wrote: Women must be different on Governor Training since I'm worth as reasonable bit on paper,owning lots of property, but no-one appears to think of moi as a good catch. Should we feign surprise? Are you hinting at something? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/hemMeA/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know about anyone else, but I find the concept of women thinking of a man as a good catch because of his income more offensive than any of the racist epithets attributed here to Tom. Why would you be offended by this? It's a simple fact of life, affirmed to be so by many intelligent women in private conversation and also by normal observations. No argument there. It's just that personally I would never have anything to do with any woman who was interested in me for my money (not that I have a lot of it). I *know* that it's a factor in many women's search for a partner; it's just that I'm not searching for many women, just one who is looking for a little more out of life than an easy life. Looking for a good provider is an essential thing for a sane woman who is hoping to raise a family unless she is already well- to- do. Not only that, it's hard-wired, an evolutionary survival trait. The children of women who have a knack for picking a good provider are more likely to survive and pass on their genes (including the gene for the knack of picking a good provider). Long ago, of course, a good provider was the guy who reliably brought home game after the hunt and was strong enough to protect the woman and the kids from predators (animal and otherwise). These days it's money rather than game (bringing home the bacon), but there's still a premium on good looks and strength because they tend to indicate good health and fertility (in both males and females), which again favors survival of the genes. Genetics can breed for faux signals. You can have women (or men) who aren't worth a darn in or out of bed, have no concept of how to raise a child, etc., but their overall appearance and demeaner triggers mating instincts in many people just by some combination of features/qualities that fit the inbred pattern recognition for mates. Of course, people are more complicated than crabs, so not everyone is triggered by the giant claw, or whatever, but the principle is still applies in virtually everyone, to some extent: there's someone out there whom, if you meet them, you WILL make a fool of yourself. The problem is when you make money the MOST important part of who you're looking for. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Drugs Don't Discriminate. Get help for yourself or someone you know. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0I.OUB/ZbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Keeping Things Quiet (was Re: Hurdy Gurdy Man revealed)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's strange is that I forgot to mention codependency. Thanks for reminding me. Thanks for providing my morning chuckle, Vaj. :-) Says the comrade-in-arms while chuckling over jokes made at the expense of someone with suspected and/or diagnosed mental problems. Lighten up, Lawson. I was not laughing at the recent jibes made here about your medical condition, and do not support them. I was laughing at Judy's compulsive rush to defend one of the people she views as a comrade-in-arms and supporter. The 'codependency' Vaj jokes about is on her side, not yours. I found it funny, that's all. Actually, I took it as a jibe at me since co-dependency is, well, a two-way street. You can't have a single person be co-dependent. You are correct, of course. I was just chuckling at the 'dependency' Vaj nailed in someone who has made an Internet 'career' out of trying to convince others that she's right and that they pretty much have to agree with her. Once she recruits someone into the position of agreeing with her fairly consis- tently In other words, *Lawson* is the co-dependent, the one who is manipulated and controlled (or the toady, as Barry is fond of putting it). That's pretty much what I thought (and still think) was implied. , then she seems compelled to dive in and support them any time they get into a challenging discussion. Actually this is bullshit, of course. I support people who appear to me to be the target of unfair criticism, whether I happen to agree with them or not. The idea of supporting someone just because it's the right thing to do is not in Barry's ethical vocabulary. It's bullshit as far as Lawson is concerned as well. He and I often disagree, but generally speaking we've been able to do so amicably because we respect each other. All I ask of anyone is sincerity, fairness, and intellectual (and factual) honesty, not agreement. Oh, yeah, and the notion that *Barry* is somehow above trying to convince people he's right is laughable. Try disagreeing with him sometime and see how he treats you. No matter how amicable you are in your disagreement, no matter how often Barry claims he's not trying to convince you of anything and doesn't care if you think differently, you'll be the target of his putdowns as long as the exchange continues. So it's a dependency issue, not a co-dependency issue. Some people only feel comfortable about life when others agree with them on their illusions about it. Consensus reality, and all that... :-) I think you've been showing admirable restraint lately with the knee-jerk posting thang, and have been putting much more thought into your replies before pushing Send. IMO, that's a good thing, both for yourself and for the forum. Think of them as koans... There's far more thought in my one liners than in my stream-of-consciousness paragraphs... I had noticed that, actually. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Drugs Don't Discriminate. Get help for yourself or someone you know. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0I.OUB/ZbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Women must be different on Governor Training since I'm worth as reasonable bit on paper,owning lots of property, but no-one appears to think of moi as a good catch. Of course, I don't advertise, having learned that whatever you advertise, is the kind of person you attract. (Says Lawson, advertising.) True, but the odds that anyone is going to take me seriously, travel to tucson and get involved with me because of some braggartly posting on FFL are kinda slim, so I feel safe. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AQDrNC/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hagelin sez 2000 student university in DC immediately
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: we are immediately establishing a group of 2,000 meditating students in Washington, D.C., http://www.globalgoodnews.com/world-peace-a.html?art=11339834121142172 TMO-speak for wouldn't it be nice if...? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AQDrNC/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip . Numerous studies have persuaded linguistic researchers that acquisition of a second language after the age of 15 means that one is unlikely to acquire mastery (especially in terms of pronunciation -- the brain has less flexibility after the age of 15), although there are certainly individual variations: http://tinyurl.com/a322s learning before the age of 7 yields perfect command * I have found it interesting that at MSAE Maharishi doesn't allow 2nd language acquisition at the younger age (he may make an exception for Sanskrit) because he claims that for the youngster to speak something other than the mother tongue creates some subtle kind of confusioneven though, as you note, it is the ideal time for language acquistion. Does anyone have more precise information on this? L B S I hadn't heard that claim. I have heard that he thinks the only way to acquire a second language completely is to live in a country where it is spoken natively. This is in-line with normal linguistics research, from what I hear. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Ever feel sad or cry for no reason at all? Depression. Narrated by Kate Hudson. http://us.click.yahoo.com/YbEMxA/ubOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 8, 2005, at 4:51 PM, L B Shriver wrote: I have found it interesting that at MSAE Maharishi doesn't allow 2nd language acquisition at the younger age (he may make an exception for Sanskrit) because he claims that for the youngster to speak something other than the mother tongue creates some subtle kind of confusioneven though, as you note, it is the ideal time for language acquistion. Does anyone have more precise information on this? L B S I asked my wife who has a masters in Infant development. Do it BEFORE elementary school. Would you trust *your* children to Mahesh's theories? Would you trust rumors that may not ahve any basis in fact in order to pass judgement on someone? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AQDrNC/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 8, 2005, at 8:17 PM, anonymousff wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would you trust *your* children to Mahesh's theories? Indeed. I had almost total immersion in Czech at Our Lady of the Inquisition Catholic School in kindergarten and 1-2 grade. The nuns were right off the boat from Czecho. It was easy as pie to learn Czech. But M's theory is that this should just confuse you Akasha. No, this is someone's possible mis-remembering of MMY's theory. *I* heard almost exactly the opposite about learning 2nd languages. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AQDrNC/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Emotional Healing'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has *anyone* suggested Tom get a wrathful mantra/ishta rather than a peaceful one? Peaceful deity mantras are just peachy for your average Joe or Judy wanting to *transcend*, but special mentations require special mantras. This guys a diamond in the rough just waiting for the right method. He'd attain mirror-like Wisdom quite quickly I'd guess. Interesting man that Tom. You're assuming that Tom is just wrath. Actually, he's full of shake and quake but is very sensitive to slights, as he was trained like Pavlov's dogs to equate the slightest displeasure of someone with him as another night he has to worry about being murdered or thrown out in the snow shoeless and naked to spend the night shivering in what little pile of leaves he could find. Hopefully God was good that night and he was able to get some rest for school the next day. That sensitiveness to slights makes him feel differently about Ben saying he was happy everybody enjoyed their special coins or amulets when he didn't receive anything. It's true Tom told Ben after a few years that he wasn't that excited about receiving sacred ash, but Ben's mamory is ever convenient to cover up his own failings. Ben does appear to suffer from attention and memory deficit. Tom lives in a world in which a man's word is his bond, else he's fired an hour after he fails to deliver. Tom truly believes Ben is just another one of those space cadets who's quite suited to the SoCal let's have lunch mentality. Tom is not all hate. There are a lot of flakey people in the world and there are a lot of vicious people in the world, Dr. Pete and Dr. Lechter being two of them. Tom might have asked for it, but that doesn't mean it's got to run the gauntlet and then have the person he least honors for truth and reliability after having dealt with him for years, the Pundit in training, to pick up on Dr. Pete's damnation of him with just look at his chracter. search the archives. as a way to cover up his own failing and child abuse issues. Tom has arranged for a $50,000 legal retainer to sue Ben the lier. If Ben posts a fully apologitic statement in which he admits in every line that he, and not Tom was wrong and he apologizes for wrongfully accusing Tom for it in an unambiguous, convincing, non-finger pointing way, the suit will not be filed. Any hint that he's being insincere and Tom will see Ben in Court. If Ben posts anything to Fairfield life on any subject becept a convincing apology and agreement that he is a flake, the lawsuit against Ben will be filed and a few days later Ben will receive his subpoena. Tom doesn't want to stiffle Ben's freedom of speach. But he doesn't want to read the words of a lier who reprements himself as totally innocent of any wrong doing. The lawyers will prove otherwise. Tom has more money set aside for more prosecuition, counter suits and to fight malicious, frivilous law suits against him. He's also got every email Ben ever sent to him, notes of every phone conversation, every email he ever sent to Ben or others about Ben. Some of it will curl your hair. Joining YBC is the best thing Tom ever did. It's been a week now he's been doing full TM/TM Sidhi Program. The consciousness flows through him now and he feels full of spunk and hope and optimism as he did 14 years ago when he was last able to do full program off a course. The infusion of consciousness makes former perceived slights not. It makes frustrations in traffic not. It makes the feeling of being helplessly stuck in the muck and mire not. It makes formely overwhelming terror and panic which drove him to the bottle of Dr.s' prescripions flow through and out of him. Tom has lead a moderately successful life here and there, clearing a quarter million a year here, being an National Merit there, branch manager of a control systems vendor resident at Bechtel in SF with an annual 1/4 $billion annual budged there, being born conscious and remembering his past there. Interesting Man that Tom is not only truer than you imagine, its truer than you can imagine. Richard Nixon opened us to Mainland China, but took Dilantin for his depression, did some really petty shit and resigned as the articles of impeachment were being drawn up. Abraham Lincoln and his life believed in dreams and wrote every one down. They had sayances performed in the White House regularly and Lincoln timed has actions based on the feedback he got through his secretary from a noted psychic. Lincoln told his cabinet the day before that night about the very disturbing dream where we woke up and heard wailing. He walked into a hall and there was a large man laid out in a coffin. He asked an overcome woman who was laid out in the coffin. The woman told him it was the President. Lincoln campaigned to have That Pecular Instituion undone but also put his power behind the establishment of the country of
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Emotional Healing'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has *anyone* suggested Tom get a wrathful mantra/ishta rather than a peaceful one? Peaceful deity mantras are just peachy for your average Joe or Judy wanting to *transcend*, but special mentations require special mantras. This guys a diamond in the rough just waiting for the right method. He'd attain mirror-like Wisdom quite quickly I'd guess. Interesting man that Tom. Being on a spiritual path has not mitigated what seems to me to be some real flaws. So you've been keeping Tom's diary. Once again Tom is damned because he's fabulously improved but not perfect. I think it lends credence to the notion that we all could use a good dose of therapy. I would welcome Dr. Pete's opinion on this. I'd welcome the the opinion of a real doctor, not a sick himself wannabe psychologist or a vet saying he's a psychologist. It's hard to imagine anything more horrendous than this story. They say emotional development gets arrested at the time of abuse. Damning Tom once again. He's not a survivor who's getting over. He's forever damned because his emotional development was arrested at the time of abuse. Funny the real Dr.s who treated Tom didn't feel that way. They felt no need to teach Tom how to act or encourage him to grow. They watched it happen before their eyes and took notes. They felt that merely freeing the pain brought forth the true, loving, secure Tom. With other patients these very Drs. taught their patients what they had failed to develop. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/hemMeA/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Emotional Healing'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 Imagine the day in the life of a cetain 5 year old boy. snip Sorry to come in late on this thread, but is this Tom Pall's story, and if so, is this a reposting, or is this new information? Thanks. lurk It is not a reposting. I think I know Tom Pall rather well and believe it to be Tom's story. It was not written to evoke pity to make the statement that shrinks, except ones who are obviously in it to cure their own misery, should be less flippant and derisive. It did prove one thing. Dr. Pete isn't perhaps a doctor. If he is he's most likely a vet. One thing about this anon, he doesn't let go once he sinks his teeth in. The attributes of a survivor and what makes Anon exceedingly successful in his profession. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/hemMeA/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shuurangama suutra
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone read Shuurangama suutra? I read a couple of pages. It felt rather boring. FWIW, according to SS, Gautama Shaakyamuni had blue eyes?! Anyways, shaakya prolly means, that He belonged to Scythian shakas. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/hemMeA/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The supposed Emotional Healing of Tom Pall
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bostonbob53 [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm sorry, but I just don't get it. Anon or Tom Pall, these posts are obviously his. What the hell? Does he think he's fooling anyone or that anyone still cares? They still care enought to attack him. To state categorically that he is forever doomed because development stops when abuse begins. My guess is that Tom wants to have the last word and even up all his imagined slights. So okay Tom. You win. We all love you. Happy now? That is absolutely what Tom wants. He wants sincere apologies from the people who derided him over and over. He want a detailed, sincere apology from the Dr. who said that Tom would always be his nigah. Tom is working day and night to get FFL deleted. He wants the slams made against him and encouraged by others undone. He'll eventuall shame the hatemongers into apologizing or better yet, make FFL not be there when you next go to visit it. So he won't have to see more ganging up against him to slam him for the fun of it. And he wants the So okay Tom. You win. We all love you. Happy now? turned into sincere words. Not of we love you but we've been some really immature louts. If it's too tedious for you to do so, then just keep your wise ass Happy now? comments out of it. You have added to the flames. Happy now? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Drugs Don't Discriminate. Get help for yourself or someone you know. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0I.OUB/ZbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It *was* kinda embarrassing; I had to buy some baggy pants for the duration. Fortunately I was on vacation and not doing training classes at the time, otherwise the students would've been making snide comments about my new laser pointer. :-) But at least now I know the secret of Billy and Mick's onstage charisma. When I'm not sleeping (I assume) and am rounding, the laser pointer is almost ever present. One of Nature's little impractacle jokes, I suspose. Having a laser pointer with the button stuck in the ON position is actually not that unusual for men who are engaging in extended periods of meditation, in my experience. Kundalini awakening, and all that. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/hemMeA/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Keeping Things Quiet (was Re: Hurdy Gurdy Man revealed)
What's strange is that I forgot to mention codependency. Thanks for reminding me. Thanks for providing my morning chuckle, Vaj. :-) Says the comrade-in-arms while chuckling over jokes made at the expense of someone with suspected and/or diagnosed mental problems. Lighten up, Lawson. I was not laughing at the recent jibes made here about your medical condition, and do not support them. I was laughing at Judy's compulsive rush to defend one of the people she views as a comrade-in-arms and supporter. The 'codependency' Vaj jokes about is on her side, not yours. I found it funny, that's all. Actually, I took it as a jibe at me since co-dependency is, well, a two-way street. You can't have a single person be co-dependent. You are correct, of course. I was just chuckling at the 'dependency' Vaj nailed in someone who has made an Internet 'career' out of trying to convince others that she's right and that they pretty much have to agree with her. Once she recruits someone into the position of agreeing with her fairly consis- tently In other words, *Lawson* is the co-dependent, the one who is manipulated and controlled (or the toady, as Barry is fond of putting it). No, exactly backwards. As you keep saying, you might learn to read. I was suggesting that *you* are dependent on the people whom you feel agree with you. I was sug- gesting that (IMO, of course) it seems to give you some feeling of comfort to know that people agree with you or that you have been successful in convincing them that you are right, and when that happens, you form a protective relationship with them, compulsively rushing in to protect them whenever they get into a challenging discussion. I could be wrong about this, but it's my honest opinion after watching your behavior for years. Lawson does NOT need your protection. He has neither asked for it nor does he seem to welcome it. But you seem compelled to provide it. *That* is the 'dependency' I was speaking of. It's all from your side. Clear now? But I owe you an apology for bringing all this up again, and you have it -- I apologize. You are who you are, and that's OK. I really *am* tired of all this circular sniping with you, Judy. It's boring and unproductive. What's brought me to this realization is the discovery yesterday that my brother seems to have done a Dennis Miller and become a Born Again Conservative, compelled to overreact whenever anyone pushes his America is a great place buttons by questioning that myth, and equally compelled to try to convince the offending parties that they are WRONG and that he is RIGHT. It's downright embarrassing. It's like discovering that you have Bill O'Reilly for a brother. :-) And it's made me realize that what I really enjoy on Internet discussion groups like this one is interactions with people who are comfortable with believing what they believe, and equally comfortable with other people believing what *they* believe, even if it's the polar opposite. There are such people here at FFL, and I treasure them. Rick has created a great forum, one in which one can (theoretically) exchange points of view and learn from the differences between those points of view, without the need to butt heads to establish dominance or prove one point of view better than another. I really don't believe that my point of view is right. It's just my point of view. It changes daily, if not more often. If your point of view or someone else's differs from mine, I think that's OK, and I'm going to try my best to not get involved in discussions that seem to be oriented towards proving the superiority of one point of view and the inferiority of the other. That strikes me as terribly lowvibe and not worthy of someone who has spent as long on a spiritual path as I have or as you have. If you still get off on such things, I wish you well with it, but I really don't want to get involved any more. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Ever feel sad or cry for no reason at all? Depression. Narrated by Kate Hudson. http://us.click.yahoo.com/YbEMxA/ubOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Visit to a Third World nation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Hub is the center of the universe. The great city of Boston. http://www.gethep.net/road/hub.html That's just an feeling you have because in Boston no one will let you out of a traffic roundabout once you've gotten into one, so you have the illusion of being at the center of things. :-) :-) :-) --- TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 12/7/05 4:00 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 12/7/05 12:22:13 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Have you and conservatives in general always disliked the French or is that just fashionable now because they wouldn¹t join this war? *Everyone* has *always* disliked the French. :-) And with reason. The Bushies just tried to make it patriotic to do what everyone was already doing. The French are a trying lot, and I live here and love them dearly. My favorite metaphor for the mindset that raises hackles in other countries is a stone set in the ground in front of the cathedral of Notre Dame in Paris. It's called 'Point Zero.' From the medieval period onwards, every French measurement of distance in the world was made from that stone. London was so many kilometers away from Point Zero, Cairo was so many kilometers away from Point Zero, and so on. Basically, it's a way of saying that France (and thus the French) are at the center of the universe, and that everything revolves around them. Is it any wonder that such an attitude occasionally inspires resistance in other peoples? Now consider the TM movement, which obviously feels the same way about itself and its True Believers, and you might begin to understand why some people have some resistance to its gawdawful self-important posturing. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Need Help? Get Help! Tools and Strategies for Healthy Drug-Free Living/a. http://us.click.yahoo.com/wI.OUB/dbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Zen Cartoon
When I was in Santa Fe, a friend who once spent a year studying in a Zen monastery in Kyoto showed me this classic Gahan Wilson cartoon. It's funny, but it's also just Right On, so I thought I'd share it. If you're a member of FFL, this link should work for you: http://tinyurl.com/by2xv It's at the base level of the Photos section; if Rick feels the need to delete it or move it in the future, that's fine. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AQDrNC/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Shuurangama suutra
On Dec 9, 2005, at 2:52 AM, cardemaister wrote:Anyone read Shuurangama suutra? I read a couple of pages. It felt rather boring. Skip to last section on the 50 Demonic states of consciousness. They're the rage in FF!See:http://homepage.mac.com/vajranatha/FileSharing2.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
On Dec 9, 2005, at 3:36 AM, sparaig wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 8, 2005, at 4:51 PM, L B Shriver wrote: I have found it interesting that at MSAE Maharishi doesn't allow 2nd language acquisition at the younger age (he may make an exception for Sanskrit) because he claims that for the youngster to speak something other than the "mother tongue" creates some subtle kind of confusion—even though, as you note, it is the ideal time for language acquistion. Does anyone have more precise information on this? L B S I asked my wife who has a masters in Infant development. Do it BEFORE elementary school. Would you trust *your* children to Mahesh's theories? Would you trust rumors that may not ahve any basis in fact in order to pass judgement on someone? "Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings -- that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide." To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Emotional Healing'
On Dec 9, 2005, at 4:09 AM, anonymousff wrote:You're assuming that Tom is just wrath. No, not at all. Just that he had possible anger issues. In any event, it helpful for *anyone* to be able to integrate the movement of thought with the calm, transcendent state irregardless of what individual issues we might have. For that, wrathful mantra is a great friend. IMO TMSP will just exacerbate issues. YMMV.Bottom line: it's pretty standard that if you do mantra-japa as your sadhana to do at least a quarter of that japa to a fire or flame. Make offerings that please your devata. That's the simplest yajna you can do. Self yajna. But it's our work to do as individuals--you can't really outsource your own sadhana to India. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Was:The supposed Emotional Healing of Tom Pall, Now: Pity Party
--- Tom Pall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bostonbob53 [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm sorry, but I just don't get it. Anon or Tom Pall, these posts are obviously his. What the hell? Does he think he's fooling anyone or that anyone still cares? They still care enought to attack him. To state categorically that he is forever doomed because development stops when abuse begins. Your ridiculous pity party is becoming absurd,Tom. Everybody is sorry that some really nasty shit happened to you growing up, but to play it over and over again in order to justify your rage towards others is getting very old, very quickly. And these inferences you come up with from others' posts that you turn into statements that you then claim they made against you is asinine. Butch up, man. Deal with your shit, don't pathetically smear it all over a newsgroup. You need professional help to deal with your past trauma. No amount of yagyas will help you as evidenced by your posts! Yeah, I know. You have contacted the authorities, my employer and have lawyers on retainer that will sue me for everything. My guess is that Tom wants to have the last word and even up all his imagined slights. So okay Tom. You win. We all love you. Happy now? That is absolutely what Tom wants. He wants sincere apologies from the people who derided him over and over. He want a detailed, sincere apology from the Dr. who said that Tom would always be his nigah. You stupid liar. I said no such thing and you know it. GROW UP baby boy. Tom is working day and night to get FFL deleted. He wants the slams made against him and encouraged by others undone. He'll eventuall shame the hatemongers into apologizing or better yet, make FFL not be there when you next go to visit it. So he won't have to see more ganging up against him to slam him for the fun of it. You are a pathetic whiner. If you don't like FFL, then LEAVE. Nobody is making you stay, are they? And he wants the So okay Tom. You win. We all love you. Happy now? turned into sincere words. Not of we love you but we've been some really immature louts. If it's too tedious for you to do so, then just keep your wise ass Happy now? comments out of it. You have added to the flames. Happy now? Why do you continue the abuse, Tom? You set yourself-up so people post comments like the one I'm making and the emotional abuse continues. Ever heard of a repetition compulsion? You interact with people to draw out their ire and then you scream Foul! Unfair! Look how horrible people are towards me! I was abused! You really need help. You don't need to act-out your rage in a newsgroup. Good bye. Go. Leave. Nobody cares anymore. Go crap on somebody else. We're no longer interested. Have someone else change your dirty diaper. Pathetic. Are you happy now that I've posted this? Isn't a post such as this exactly what you want so you can now pout and become outraged against the injustice of these comments? Look at what you're doing. But unfortunately the odds of that are the same as the pundits arriving. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Drugs Don't Discriminate. Get help for yourself or someone you know. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0I.OUB/ZbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/HcoraC/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 9, 2005, at 3:36 AM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 8, 2005, at 4:51 PM, L B Shriver wrote: I have found it interesting that at MSAE Maharishi doesn't allow 2nd language acquisition at the younger age (he may make an exception for Sanskrit) because he claims that for the youngster to speak something other than the mother tongue creates some subtle kind of confusioneven though, as you note, it is the ideal time for language acquistion. Does anyone have more precise information on this? L B S I asked my wife who has a masters in Infant development. Do it BEFORE elementary school. Would you trust *your* children to Mahesh's theories? Would you trust rumors that may not ahve any basis in fact in order to pass judgement on someone? Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings -- that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide. Was that directed to me, or to you? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Ever feel sad or cry for no reason at all? Depression. Narrated by Kate Hudson. http://us.click.yahoo.com/CQDrNC/ubOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
On Dec 9, 2005, at 7:49 AM, sparaig wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 9, 2005, at 3:36 AM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:On Dec 8, 2005, at 4:51 PM, L B Shriver wrote: I have found it interesting that at MSAE Maharishi doesn't allow 2nd language acquisition at the younger age (he may make an exception for Sanskrit) because he claims that for the youngster to speak something other than the "mother tongue" creates some subtle kind of confusion—even though, as you note, it is the ideal time for language acquistion. Does anyone have more precise information on this? L B S I asked my wife who has a masters in Infant development. Do it BEFORE elementary school. Would you trust *your* children to Mahesh's theories?Would you trust rumors that may not ahve any basis in fact in order to pass judgement on someone? "Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings -- that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide." Was that directed to me, or to you? Anyone. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] YF, etc, and mantras?
The third sentence(?) of BaadaraayaNa's (?aka Veda-vyaasa's, KRSNa
Dvaipaayana's, who is thought to be the author of Vedaanta-suutras aka
Brahma-suutras aka Shaariiraka-suutras) commentary on YS IV 1 goes
like this:
mantrairaakaashagamanaaNimaadilaabhaH
without sandhi prolly like this:
mantraiH; aakaasha-gamana; aNimaa-aadi -laabhaH
mantraiH by (or whatever is the most best
preposition hereabouts) mantras
akaasha-gamana space-going (yogic flying)
aNimaadi (aNimaa-aadi) aNimaa, etc: the eight
mahaa-siddhis (aNimaa, mahimaa, garimaa, laghimaa...)
laabhaH achievement (~they [YF and the 8] are achieved)
It's interesting that BaadaraayaNa, the author
of Vedaanta-suutras (etena yogaH pratyuktaH, [by this
{paatañjala-}yoga is refuted]) specifically mentions
YF here.
Ouch, I'm running out, or stuff, of brackets... :0
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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Emotional Healing'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Damning Tom once again. He's not a survivor who's getting over. He's forever damned because his emotional development was arrested at the time of abuse.. snip Yes, you're right. It's not polite to treat someone like a psychological specimen to be prodded and analyzed. Yet he does not read the posts, so I just speculated some. I would be interested to see an example of something which demonstrates slander or fraud on the part of Ben Collins(?). I mean everthing I've seen posted by Ben seemed pretty balanced. What am I missing or mis-interpreting. It sounds like there must be ample instances. Thanks. lurk Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Drugs Don't Discriminate. Get help for yourself or someone you know. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0I.OUB/ZbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] YF, etc, and mantras?
On Dec 9, 2005, at 8:35 AM, cardemaister wrote:akaasha-gamana space-going (yogic flying)Is akaaza-gamana a hidden allusion to the khechari-mudra--the secret process of drinking soma?...and aNimaa the improved subtlety of consciousness thereby experienced? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Emotional Healing'
--- lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Damning Tom once again. He's not a survivor who's getting over. He's forever damned because his emotional development was arrested at the time of abuse.. snip Yes, you're right. It's not polite to treat someone like a psychological specimen to be prodded and analyzed. Yet he does not read the posts, so I just speculated some. I would be interested to see an example of something which demonstrates slander or fraud on the part of Ben Collins(?). I mean everthing I've seen posted by Ben seemed pretty balanced. What am I missing or mis-interpreting. It sounds like there must be ample instances. Thanks. lurk Ample evidence supporting Tom's rage can be found in his imagination. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Drugs Don't Discriminate. Get help for yourself or someone you know. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0I.OUB/ZbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Drugs Don't Discriminate. Get help for yourself or someone you know. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0I.OUB/ZbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Emotional Healing'
--- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But it's our work to do as individuals--you can't really outsource your own sadhana to India. Very wise words. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Drugs Don't Discriminate. Get help for yourself or someone you know. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0I.OUB/ZbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Emotional Healing'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But it's our work to do as individuals--you can't really outsource your own sadhana to India. Very wise words. I noticed that, too. Nor, IMO, can you outsource them to a guru or a spiritual tradition to do for you. We got ourselves into this karmic mess ( or illusion of a mess, if you prefer ), and we have to get ourselves out ( or realize that there was never anything to get out of, again if you prefer :-). Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Need Help? Get Help! Tools and Strategies for Healthy Drug-Free Living/a. http://us.click.yahoo.com/wI.OUB/dbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: YF, etc, and mantras?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Dec 9, 2005, at 8:35 AM, cardemaister wrote:
akaasha-gamana space-going (yogic flying)
Is akaaza-gamana a hidden allusion to the khechari-mudra--the secret
process of drinking soma?
Have no idea, but a related word aakaasha-ga means 'bird'.
...and aNimaa the improved subtlety of consciousness thereby
experienced?
aNimaa is one of the eight mahaa-siddhis:
1 aNiman %{a} m. (fr. %{aNu} q.v.) , minuteness , fineness , thinness
S3Br. c. ; meagreness ; atomic nature , the superhuman power of
becoming as small as an atom , (%{a4Niman}) n. the smallest particle
S3Br.
(the form aNiman is the inflectional stem of the word
whose nominative singular is aNimaa; it's derived
from the noun aNu which means e.g. 'atom'.)
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Emotional Healing'
--- TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But it's our work to do as individuals--you can't really outsource your own sadhana to India. Very wise words. I noticed that, too. Nor, IMO, can you outsource them to a guru or a spiritual tradition to do for you. We got ourselves into this karmic mess ( or illusion of a mess, if you prefer ), and we have to get ourselves out ( or realize that there was never anything to get out of, again if you prefer :-). The Shiva Sutras have a sloka(?) that specifically states that you become realized only through your own effort, nothing else. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Need Help? Get Help! Tools and Strategies for Healthy Drug-Free Living/a. http://us.click.yahoo.com/wI.OUB/dbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Drugs Don't Discriminate. Get help for yourself or someone you know. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0I.OUB/ZbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Closing FFL
So, they are trying to close FFL. The irony is that if Maharishi or Bevan or John were not doing girls while trying to hold everybody else to a double-standard of 'dignity' this list would not need to be closed to minors. Truth and consequent? You've reached an Age-Restricted Area of Yahoo! Groups -Doug Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Need Help? Get Help! Tools and Strategies for Healthy Drug-Free Living/a. http://us.click.yahoo.com/wI.OUB/dbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Keeping Things Quiet (was Re: Hurdy Gurdy Man revealed)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [Vaj wrote:] What's strange is that I forgot to mention codependency. Thanks for reminding me. Thanks for providing my morning chuckle, Vaj. :-) Says the comrade-in-arms while chuckling over jokes made at the expense of someone with suspected and/or diagnosed mental problems. Lighten up, Lawson. I was not laughing at the recent jibes made here about your medical condition, and do not support them. I was laughing at Judy's compulsive rush to defend one of the people she views as a comrade-in-arms and supporter. The 'codependency' Vaj jokes about is on her side, not yours. I found it funny, that's all. Actually, I took it as a jibe at me since co-dependency is, well, a two-way street. You can't have a single person be co-dependent. You are correct, of course. I was just chuckling at the 'dependency' Vaj nailed in someone who has made an Internet 'career' out of trying to convince others that she's right and that they pretty much have to agree with her. Once she recruits someone into the position of agreeing with her fairly consis- tently In other words, *Lawson* is the co-dependent, the one who is manipulated and controlled (or the toady, as Barry is fond of putting it). That's pretty much what I thought (and still think) was implied. I don't think either Barry or Vaj were implying it. They both meant to take a slam at me, not you, and were in too much of a hurry to do so to bother to think about what co-dependency actually means. Typical. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AQDrNC/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
on 12/9/05 5:01 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It *was* kinda embarrassing; I had to buy some baggy pants for the duration. Fortunately I was on vacation and not doing training classes at the time, otherwise the students would've been making snide comments about my new laser pointer. :-) But at least now I know the secret of Billy and Mick's onstage charisma. When I'm not sleeping (I assume) and am rounding, the laser pointer is almost ever present. One of Nature's little impractacle jokes, I suspose. Having a laser pointer with the button stuck in the ON position is actually not that unusual for men who are engaging in extended periods of meditation, in my experience. Kundalini awakening, and all that. A friend of mine told me a very funny story about being called up in front of his high school class to speak when he happened to have an erection. It was hilarious as he told it. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Ever feel sad or cry for no reason at all? Depression. Narrated by Kate Hudson. http://us.click.yahoo.com/CQDrNC/ubOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Keeping Things Quiet (was Re: Hurdy Gurdy Man r
TorquiseB writes: Big snipperino That strikes me as terribly lowvibe and not worthy of someone who has spent as long on a spiritual path as I have or as you have. If you still get off on such things, I wish you well with it, but I really don't want to get involved any more. Tom T responds: Thank you Thank you thank you. Spoken like a true Buddhist. We all appreciate your comments but the war seemed silly in light of what you said. Now congruence in thought and action. Bravo!. Love Tom T Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Drugs Don't Discriminate. Get help for yourself or someone you know. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0I.OUB/ZbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 8, 2005, at 4:51 PM, L B Shriver wrote: I have found it interesting that at MSAE Maharishi doesn't allow 2nd language acquisition at the younger age (he may make an exception for Sanskrit) because he claims that for the youngster to speak something other than the mother tongue creates some subtle kind of confusioneven though, as you note, it is the ideal time for language acquistion. Does anyone have more precise information on this? I asked my wife who has a masters in Infant development. Do it BEFORE elementary school. Would you trust *your* children to Mahesh's theories? Would you trust rumors that may not ahve any basis in fact in order to pass judgement on someone? Even if it's true as stated by LBS, to decide not to trust one's children to MMY because his theories are not the same as those of someone who has a master's in infant development is a knee-jerk, thoughtless conclusion. The subtle confusion LBS refers to isn't necessarily in conflict with the principle that the younger the better in terms of second-language acquisition. The purported confusion may be on an entirely different level than that of facility in a second language. It isn't impossible that the optimal situation, in MMY's view, is a sort of trade-off between acquiring second-language facility and avoiding the subtle confusion. In other words, an older child may still be able to learn a second language well enough to become reasonably fluent in it at a point when learning it may no longer cause the subtle confusion. Or maybe not. But obviously we don't know enough, on the basis of LBS's account, to say either way. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/abEMxA/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Keeping Things Quiet (was Re: Hurdy Gurdy Man revealed)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's strange is that I forgot to mention codependency. Thanks for reminding me. Thanks for providing my morning chuckle, Vaj. :-) Says the comrade-in-arms while chuckling over jokes made at the expense of someone with suspected and/or diagnosed mental problems. Lighten up, Lawson. I was not laughing at the recent jibes made here about your medical condition, and do not support them. I was laughing at Judy's compulsive rush to defend one of the people she views as a comrade-in-arms and supporter. The 'codependency' Vaj jokes about is on her side, not yours. I found it funny, that's all. Actually, I took it as a jibe at me since co-dependency is, well, a two-way street. You can't have a single person be co-dependent. You are correct, of course. I was just chuckling at the 'dependency' Vaj nailed in someone who has made an Internet 'career' out of trying to convince others that she's right and that they pretty much have to agree with her. Once she recruits someone into the position of agreeing with her fairly consis- tently In other words, *Lawson* is the co-dependent, the one who is manipulated and controlled (or the toady, as Barry is fond of putting it). No, exactly backwards. As you keep saying, you might learn to read. I was suggesting that *you* are dependent on the people whom you feel agree with you. You can suggest anything you like. I'm just pointing out that that isn't what co-dependent means. A co- dependent is someone who is manipulated by another person with a personality disorder. Only if you're claiming Lawson is the one doing the manipulating could you properly call me the co-dependent. If I'm the manipulator, then Lawson is the co-dependent. I was sug- gesting that (IMO, of course) it seems to give you some feeling of comfort to know that people agree with you or that you have been successful in convincing them that you are right, I suspect the vast majority of people feel more comfortable with agreement than disagreement. and when that happens, you form a protective relationship with them, compulsively rushing in to protect them whenever they get into a challenging discussion. I could be wrong about this, but it's my honest opinion after watching your behavior for years. Yeah, you're wrong about this. As I said, I support those I feel are being unfairly attacked, whether I agree with them or not. Lawson does NOT need your protection. Has nothing to do with protection. It has to do with standing up for what I feel is right, i.e., fairness. Not something you'd understand, of course. snip I really don't believe that my point of view is right. It's just my point of view. It changes daily, if not more often. If your point of view or someone else's differs from mine, I think that's OK, and I'm going to try my best to not get involved in discussions that seem to be oriented towards proving the superiority of one point of view and the inferiority of the other. That strikes me as terribly lowvibe and not worthy of someone who has spent as long on a spiritual path as I have or as you have. If you still get off on such things, I wish you well with it, but I really don't want to get involved any more. snore Be interesting to know exactly how many times you've made this vow. Between FFL and alt.m.t, it's surely up to the several dozens by now. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/abEMxA/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
On Dec 9, 2005, at 10:49 AM, authfriend wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 8, 2005, at 4:51 PM, L B Shriver wrote: I have found it interesting that at MSAE Maharishi doesn't allow 2nd language acquisition at the younger age (he may make an exception for Sanskrit) because he claims that for the youngster to speak something other than the "mother tongue" creates some subtle kind of confusion—even though, as you note, it is the ideal time for language acquistion. Does anyone have more precise information on this? I asked my wife who has a masters in Infant development. Do it BEFORE elementary school. Would you trust *your* children to Mahesh's theories? Would you trust rumors that may not ahve any basis in fact in order to pass judgement on someone? Even if it's true as stated by LBS, to decide not to trust one's children to MMY because his "theories" are not the same as those of someone who has a master's in infant development is a knee-jerk, thoughtless conclusion. It really has nothing to do with a degree or any reaction but that this an accepted scientific fact.Take it or leave it, it doesn't really matter to me.On a separate note I do know a number of yogis who used sadhana to help with knowledge acquisition and retention, often with great effect. Typically sadhanas of Jupiterian deities are of wonderful assistance. Now with growing recognition of neuroplasticity and the fact that the neural hardware tends to morph itself to the consciousness of the person--old neural pathways are not written in stone. This is wonderful news for education, recovery from abuse/addictions or criminal rehabilitation. Reminds me of a movie where criminals were put in suspended animation instead of jail and their neural-pathways "retrained" using computers linked the body-hardware (i.e. the brain/nervous system). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Emotional Healing'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Damning Tom once again. He's not a survivor who's getting over. He's forever damned because his emotional development was arrested at the time of abuse.. snip Yes, you're right. It's not polite to treat someone like a psychological specimen to be prodded and analyzed. Yet he does not read the posts, so I just speculated some. I would be interested to see an example of something which demonstrates slander or fraud on the part of Ben Collins(?). I mean everthing I've seen posted by Ben seemed pretty balanced. What am I missing or mis-interpreting. It sounds like there must be ample instances. Thanks. lurk Ample evidence supporting Tom's rage can be found in his imagination. Agreed. I will say again that I thought it was a brave thing for Tom to openly post details of his childhood trauma. Such an action can sometimes be helpful for empowerment and to destigmatize victimizing event. However, instead of then taking a breath of fresh air and getting on with life, he squanders his equity by trashing others. Aside from finding it annoying and disruptive, it doesn't help Tom in the slightest. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AQDrNC/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Emotional Healing'
Comment below: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: **SNIP** Tom has arranged for a $50,000 legal retainer to sue Ben the lier. If Ben posts a fully apologitic statement in which he admits in every line that he, and not Tom was wrong and he apologizes for wrongfully accusing Tom for it in an unambiguous, convincing, non-finger pointing way, the suit will not be filed. Any hint that he's being insincere and Tom will see Ben in Court. If Ben posts anything to Fairfield life on any subject becept a convincing apology and agreement that he is a flake, the lawsuit against Ben will be filed and a few days later Ben will receive his subpoena. Tom doesn't want to stiffle Ben's freedom of speach. But he doesn't want to read the words of a lier who reprements himself as totally innocent of any wrong doing. The lawyers will prove otherwise. Tom has more money set aside for more prosecuition, counter suits and to fight malicious, frivilous law suits against him. He's also got every email Ben ever sent to him, notes of every phone conversation, every email he ever sent to Ben or others about Ben. Some of it will curl your hair. **SNIP TO END** Tom, $50k is quite a large retainer to sue a private individual for defamation and libel. And from what I've read of Ben's posts, and as a lawyer (albeit one who doesn't get $50k retainers), I don't see how you'd make a case. Your suit would likely be considered frivolous. Perhaps the people who have hurt you in your life did so because they were radiating the hurt and ignorance in their own. To whatever degree that is true, it certainly doesn't minimize or mitigate the pain and suffering that you have endured and continue to wrestle with. But the expansion of misery and suffering to others can't diminish or resolve your own. I'm sure you know that. Why not use your legal fund to establish some foundation or project that serves to alleviate suffering rather than increase it. If Ben is the scoundrel you know him to be, why not let him reap the consequences of his behavior without enmeshing you in it, too? If Nature is due to deliver Ben the consequences of his bad karma you don't have to volunteer to be the carrier of that karmic delivery. That's just a response to what you've written and, as you know from a previous post of mine, I do not share your opinion of Ben. But, then perhaps you know more of him than I. Or perhaps you're wrong in your evaluation of his character. I don't know all the details (not do I think it's necessary that I need to); but solely as a human being who cares about others and prefers to see the expansion of happiness rather than the converse, I'd ask you to consider this response to your posting as a sincere and candid reaction from your environment to what you are projecting into it. Thanks for taking the time to consider this. Marek Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Need Help? Get Help! Tools and Strategies for Healthy Drug-Free Living/a. http://us.click.yahoo.com/wI.OUB/dbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 8, 2005, at 4:51 PM, L B Shriver wrote: I have found it interesting that at MSAE Maharishi doesn't allow 2nd language acquisition at the younger age (he may make an exception for Sanskrit) because he claims that for the youngster to speak something other than the mother tongue creates some subtle kind of confusioneven though, as you note, it is the ideal time for language acquistion. Does anyone have more precise information on this? I asked my wife who has a masters in Infant development. Do it BEFORE elementary school. Would you trust *your* children to Mahesh's theories? Would you trust rumors that may not ahve any basis in fact in order to pass judgement on someone? Even if it's true as stated by LBS, to decide not to trust one's children to MMY because his theories are not the same as those of someone who has a master's in infant development is a knee-jerk, thoughtless conclusion. The subtle confusion LBS refers to isn't necessarily in conflict with the principle that the younger the better in terms of second-language acquisition. The purported confusion may be on an entirely different level than that of facility in a second language. It isn't impossible that the optimal situation, in MMY's view, is a sort of trade-off between acquiring second-language facility and avoiding the subtle confusion. In other words, an older child may still be able to learn a second language well enough to become reasonably fluent in it at a point when learning it may no longer cause the subtle confusion. Or maybe not. But obviously we don't know enough, on the basis of LBS's account, to say either way. My experience has been that as a born English speaker I found no subtle confusion when very young being introduced to a language of the country I was in. For example, learning Spanish in Mexico, because I heard and spoke both languages daily. I also rapidly forgot the non-English language after leaving its country of origin. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Need Help? Get Help! Tools and Strategies for Healthy Drug-Free Living/a. http://us.click.yahoo.com/wI.OUB/dbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Emotional Healing'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Comment below: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: **SNIP** Tom has arranged for a $50,000 legal retainer to sue Ben the lier. If Ben posts a fully apologitic statement in which he admits in every line that he, and not Tom was wrong and he apologizes for wrongfully accusing Tom for it in an unambiguous, convincing, non-finger pointing way, the suit will not be filed. Any hint that he's being insincere and Tom will see Ben in Court. If Ben posts anything to Fairfield life on any subject becept a convincing apology and agreement that he is a flake, the lawsuit against Ben will be filed and a few days later Ben will receive his subpoena. Tom doesn't want to stiffle Ben's freedom of speach. But he doesn't want to read the words of a lier who reprements himself as totally innocent of any wrong doing. The lawyers will prove otherwise. Tom has more money set aside for more prosecuition, counter suits and to fight malicious, frivilous law suits against him. He's also got every email Ben ever sent to him, notes of every phone conversation, every email he ever sent to Ben or others about Ben. Some of it will curl your hair. **SNIP TO END** Tom, $50k is quite a large retainer to sue a private individual for defamation and libel. And from what I've read of Ben's posts, and as a lawyer (albeit one who doesn't get $50k retainers), I don't see how you'd make a case. Your suit would likely be considered frivolous. Perhaps the people who have hurt you in your life did so because they were radiating the hurt and ignorance in their own. To whatever degree that is true, it certainly doesn't minimize or mitigate the pain and suffering that you have endured and continue to wrestle with. But the expansion of misery and suffering to others can't diminish or resolve your own. I'm sure you know that. Why not use your legal fund to establish some foundation or project that serves to alleviate suffering rather than increase it. If Ben is the scoundrel you know him to be, why not let him reap the consequences of his behavior without enmeshing you in it, too? If Nature is due to deliver Ben the consequences of his bad karma you don't have to volunteer to be the carrier of that karmic delivery. That's just a response to what you've written and, as you know from a previous post of mine, I do not share your opinion of Ben. But, then perhaps you know more of him than I. Or perhaps you're wrong in your evaluation of his character. I don't know all the details (not do I think it's necessary that I need to); but solely as a human being who cares about others and prefers to see the expansion of happiness rather than the converse, I'd ask you to consider this response to your posting as a sincere and candid reaction from your environment to what you are projecting into it. Thanks for taking the time to consider this. Marek Bravo! Thank you- excellently stated! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Need Help? Get Help! Tools and Strategies for Healthy Drug-Free Living/a. http://us.click.yahoo.com/wI.OUB/dbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 9, 2005, at 10:49 AM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 8, 2005, at 4:51 PM, L B Shriver wrote: I have found it interesting that at MSAE Maharishi doesn't allow 2nd language acquisition at the younger age (he may make an exception for Sanskrit) because he claims that for the youngster to speak something other than the mother tongue creates some subtle kind of confusioneven though, as you note, it is the ideal time for language acquistion. Does anyone have more precise information on this? I asked my wife who has a masters in Infant development. Do it BEFORE elementary school. Would you trust *your* children to Mahesh's theories? Would you trust rumors that may not ahve any basis in fact in order to pass judgement on someone? Even if it's true as stated by LBS, to decide not to trust one's children to MMY because his theories are not the same as those of someone who has a master's in infant development is a knee-jerk, thoughtless conclusion. It really has nothing to do with a degree or any reaction but that this an accepted scientific fact. How odd, you seem to have deleted what I went on to say, which made it clear I wasn't questioning the accepted scientific fact. I'm sure it was inadvertent. You read the first paragraph of my response, jumped to the erroneous conclusion that I was disputing the science, and decided the rest of what I said must be more of the same and could therefore be ignored. Here, let me give you another chance to read what you snipped, so you can take a stab at making a relevant response: The subtle confusion LBS refers to isn't necessarily in conflict with the principle that the younger the better in terms of second-language acquisition. The purported confusion may be on an entirely different level than that of facility in a second language. It isn't impossible that the optimal situation, in MMY's view, is a sort of trade-off between acquiring second-language facility and avoiding the subtle confusion. In other words, an older child may still be able to learn a second language well enough to become reasonably fluent in it at a point when learning it may no longer cause the subtle confusion. Or maybe not. But obviously we don't know enough, on the basis of LBS's account, to say either way. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Drugs Don't Discriminate. Get help for yourself or someone you know. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0I.OUB/ZbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 8, 2005, at 4:51 PM, L B Shriver wrote: I have found it interesting that at MSAE Maharishi doesn't allow 2nd language acquisition at the younger age (he may make an exception for Sanskrit) because he claims that for the youngster to speak something other than the mother tongue creates some subtle kind of confusioneven though, as you note, it is the ideal time for language acquistion. Does anyone have more precise information on this? I asked my wife who has a masters in Infant development. Do it BEFORE elementary school. Would you trust *your* children to Mahesh's theories? Would you trust rumors that may not ahve any basis in fact in order to pass judgement on someone? Even if it's true as stated by LBS, to decide not to trust one's children to MMY because his theories are not the same as those of someone who has a master's in infant development is a knee-jerk, thoughtless conclusion. The subtle confusion LBS refers to isn't necessarily in conflict with the principle that the younger the better in terms of second-language acquisition. The purported confusion may be on an entirely different level than that of facility in a second language. It isn't impossible that the optimal situation, in MMY's view, is a sort of trade-off between acquiring second-language facility and avoiding the subtle confusion. In other words, an older child may still be able to learn a second language well enough to become reasonably fluent in it at a point when learning it may no longer cause the subtle confusion. Or maybe not. But obviously we don't know enough, on the basis of LBS's account, to say either way. My experience has been that as a born English speaker I found no subtle confusion when very young being introduced to a language of the country I was in. For example, learning Spanish in Mexico, because I heard and spoke both languages daily. I also rapidly forgot the non-English language after leaving its country of origin. The question in my mind is whether the confusion MMY is talking about is on such a subtle level that you *wouldn't* detect it as such--the point being that we really don't know what he's referring to. Until we have a clearer idea, it makes no sense to assume he's contradicting established scientific fact. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Need Help? Get Help! Tools and Strategies for Healthy Drug-Free Living/a. http://us.click.yahoo.com/wI.OUB/dbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
On Dec 9, 2005, at 11:29 AM, authfriend wrote:How odd, you seem to have deleted what I went on to say, which made it clear I wasn't questioning the accepted scientific fact. It wasn't clear to me.Despite repeated accusations of having some hidden agenda in the quoting of your email messages, there exists no such agenda, other than in your own consciousness.DISCLAIMER: The above message contains material quoted from another, longer, message. This is done for the sake of conciseness and brevity. Any perceived other reason is solely the responsibility of the reader. Any similarity to email messages existing or deleted is purely coincidental. Any reading of the message/email, or clipping/cut--pasting/ or verbal repetition of message/email constitutes acceptance of the terms of this disclaimer. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Emotional Healing'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But it's our work to do as individuals--you can't really outsource your own sadhana to India. Very wise words. I noticed that, too. Nor, IMO, can you outsource them to a guru or a spiritual tradition to do for you. We got ourselves into this karmic mess ( or illusion of a mess, if you prefer ), and we have to get ourselves out ( or realize that there was never anything to get out of, again if you prefer :-). The Shiva Sutras have a sloka(?) that specifically states that you become realized only through your own effort, nothing else. Another one o' them pair-of-oxes: Before liberation or the full sunshine of the Self in Unity, or pick your own description, we pray and exhort Gods, Godesses, and the saints and Masters to deliver us from our suffering. Afterwards, we are delighted we did it all by our Selves! Again, looking back it seems absurd that such a duality of deliverance from our ignorance by someone or someGod else would be preferred. After all, if we don't do it by ourselves, we can't really know exactly what we have done, and by extension would hypothetically remain in ignorance... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/hemMeA/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snippage My experience has been that as a born English speaker I found no subtle confusion when very young being introduced to a language of the country I was in. For example, learning Spanish in Mexico, because I heard and spoke both languages daily. I also rapidly forgot the non-English language after leaving its country of origin. The question in my mind is whether the confusion MMY is talking about is on such a subtle level that you *wouldn't* detect it as such--the point being that we really don't know what he's referring to. I mean no disrespect to him or to you, but if it is that subtle, from a practical standpoint, who cares? My benchmark for such things even as a child has been if it is creating undue strain, don't bother. On the other hand, if something seems readily available, take advantage of it... Reminds me of a larger issue, sort of related to the emotional healing vs TM discussion. After I had been meditating for awhile and been exposed to all of the esoteric Indian stuff and tried some of it on for size, I realized that as a person of the world, with a finite amount of time to devote to spiritual practice, I had to use common sense in what I adopted vs not. This then led to a growing sense of freedom that it was I who was most interested in enlightening myself, vs blindly accepting and following the precepts of the saints. It eventually made for a much more interesting journey, being empowered to deliberately choose from a menu of thought and practice what best suited my personal spiritual development. Until we have a clearer idea, it makes no sense to assume he's contradicting established scientific fact. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AQDrNC/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Zen Cartoon
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I was in Santa Fe, a friend who once spent a year studying in a Zen monastery in Kyoto showed me this classic Gahan Wilson cartoon. It's funny, but it's also just Right On, so I thought I'd share it. If you're a member of FFL, this link should work for you: http://tinyurl.com/by2xv It's at the base level of the Photos section; if Rick feels the need to delete it or move it in the future, that's fine. Funny! I haven't seen a Gahan Wilson cartoon in ages. I always appreciated his exceedingly dry sense of humor... So, what's next? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Ever feel sad or cry for no reason at all? Depression. Narrated by Kate Hudson. http://us.click.yahoo.com/CQDrNC/ubOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 9, 2005, at 11:29 AM, authfriend wrote: How odd, you seem to have deleted what I went on to say, which made it clear I wasn't questioning the accepted scientific fact. It wasn't clear to me. Well, let's have another look, shall we? (Since you snipped it again.) The subtle confusion LBS refers to isn't necessarily in conflict with the principle that the younger the better in terms of second-language acquisition. The purported confusion may be on an entirely different level than that of facility in a second language. It isn't impossible that the optimal situation, in MMY's view, is a sort of trade-off between acquiring second-language facility and avoiding the subtle confusion. In other words, an older child may still be able to learn a second language well enough to become reasonably fluent in it at a point when learning it may no longer cause the subtle confusion. Or maybe not. But obviously we don't know enough, on the basis of LBS's account, to say either way. Where in what I wrote do you see any suggestion that I was questioning accepted scientific fact? I repeat: I think you just *assumed*, in a knee-jerk fashion, that I would question established scientific fact because you have me erroneously pegged as a true believer (or just hope you can convince others to think I am). And therefore you didn't pay much attention to the rest of what I said. If you had, you'd have seen that I was actually accepting as a given that children learn languages more easily the younger they are. (One hint: that's why I referred to it as a principle rather than a theory.) Despite repeated accusations of having some hidden agenda in the quoting of your email messages, there exists no such agenda, other than in your own consciousness. Oh, goodness, it's not just *my* email messages (I assume you mean posts to FFL and alt.m.t) by any means. You even snip portions of your own earlier posts when they might conflict with or detract from whatever you're saying in your current post. In any case, the snipping is always in your own interest. I'm quite willing to believe, however, that the agenda may not be conscious. I suspect it's just become second nature, and you do it without even thinking about it. That out of the way, do you have any relevant comment on what I suggested, i.e., that we don't know enough about what MMY means to come to the conclusion, as you did, that he isn't to be trusted with children's education? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/hemMeA/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Emotional Healing'
What do you guys think is the connection between the individual and collective consciousness? I've often felt that my individual evolution is in thrall to the collective, just as my income usually depends on the larger economy. Your remarks below consider only individual power, independent of collective consciousness. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But it's our work to do as individuals--you can't really outsource your own sadhana to India. Very wise words. I noticed that, too. Nor, IMO, can you outsource them to a guru or a spiritual tradition to do for you. We got ourselves into this karmic mess ( or illusion of a mess, if you prefer ), and we have to get ourselves out ( or realize that there was never anything to get out of, again if you prefer :-). The Shiva Sutras have a sloka(?) that specifically states that you become realized only through your own effort, nothing else. Another one o' them pair-of-oxes: Before liberation or the full sunshine of the Self in Unity, or pick your own description, we pray and exhort Gods, Godesses, and the saints and Masters to deliver us from our suffering. Afterwards, we are delighted we did it all by our Selves! Again, looking back it seems absurd that such a duality of deliverance from our ignorance by someone or someGod else would be preferred. After all, if we don't do it by ourselves, we can't really know exactly what we have done, and by extension would hypothetically remain in ignorance... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/hemMeA/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
On Dec 9, 2005, at 12:11 PM, authfriend wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 9, 2005, at 11:29 AM, authfriend wrote: How odd, you seem to have deleted what I went on to say, which made it clear I wasn't questioning the accepted scientific fact. It wasn't clear to me. Well, let's have another look, shall we? (Since you snipped it again.) The "subtle confusion" LBS refers to isn't necessarily in conflict with the principle that the younger the better in terms of second-language acquisition. The purported confusion may be on an entirely different level than that of facility in a second language. It isn't impossible that the optimal situation, in MMY's view, is a sort of trade-off between acquiring second-language facility and avoiding the subtle confusion. In other words, an older child may still be able to learn a second language well enough to become reasonably fluent in it at a point when learning it may no longer cause the subtle confusion. Or maybe not. But obviously we don't know enough, on the basis of LBS's account, to say either way. Where in what I wrote do you see any suggestion that I was questioning accepted scientific fact? I repeat: I think you just *assumed*, in a knee-jerk fashion, that I would question established scientific fact because you have me erroneously pegged as a "true believer" (or just hope you can convince others to think I am). And therefore you didn't pay much attention to the rest of what I said. If you had, you'd have seen that I was actually accepting as a given that children learn languages more easily the younger they are. (One hint: that's why I referred to it as a "principle" rather than a "theory.") Despite repeated accusations of having some hidden agenda in the quoting of your email messages, there exists no such agenda, other than in your own consciousness. Oh, goodness, it's not just *my* "email messages" (I assume you mean posts to FFL and alt.m.t) by any means. You even snip portions of your own earlier posts when they might conflict with or detract from whatever you're saying in your current post. In any case, the snipping is always in your own interest. I'm quite willing to believe, however, that the agenda may not be conscious. I suspect it's just become second nature, and you do it without even thinking about it. That out of the way, do you have any relevant comment on what I suggested, i.e., that we don't know enough about what MMY means to come to the conclusion, as you did, that he isn't to be trusted with children's education? LOL. You read way too much into these things. Why do you think that is? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snippage My experience has been that as a born English speaker I found no subtle confusion when very young being introduced to a language of the country I was in. For example, learning Spanish in Mexico, because I heard and spoke both languages daily. I also rapidly forgot the non-English language after leaving its country of origin. The question in my mind is whether the confusion MMY is talking about is on such a subtle level that you *wouldn't* detect it as such--the point being that we really don't know what he's referring to. I mean no disrespect to him or to you, but if it is that subtle, from a practical standpoint, who cares? Sure, obviously it's an individual decision whether you want to worry about it on the basis of something MMY has said. I'm not advocating either way, and for all I know MMY could be completely wrong about it. I'm just saying that on the basis of what very little we know, it's not impossible that something could get screwed up on a very subtle level that would have some negative impact on grosser levels without the person necessarily being able to make the connection, or even realizing there had *been* a screwup. And if so, it might be something you'd want to avoid if you could, even if it did mean sacrificing some degree of ease of learning a second language as a tradeoff. Again, all I'm saying is that we can't rule this possibility out without knowing more about what MMY means. I'm not suggesting anybody even worry about it if they don't feel it's worth it. Just pointing out that the original conclusion that MMY can't be trusted with children's education in this regard isn't warranted on the basis of what information we have. There's just this knee-jerk kind of reaction that many here have, that if something MMY says doesn't immediately make perfect sense to us on its face, therefore it must be crazy and wrong. Maybe it is and maybe it isn't, but often the assumption is made on a very superficial basis. That's really all I'm getting at. My benchmark for such things even as a child has been if it is creating undue strain, don't bother. On the other hand, if something seems readily available, take advantage of it... Reminds me of a larger issue, sort of related to the emotional healing vs TM discussion. After I had been meditating for awhile and been exposed to all of the esoteric Indian stuff and tried some of it on for size, I realized that as a person of the world, with a finite amount of time to devote to spiritual practice, I had to use common sense in what I adopted vs not. This then led to a growing sense of freedom that it was I who was most interested in enlightening myself, vs blindly accepting and following the precepts of the saints. It eventually made for a much more interesting journey, being empowered to deliberately choose from a menu of thought and practice what best suited my personal spiritual development. Until we have a clearer idea, it makes no sense to assume he's contradicting established scientific fact. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Drugs Don't Discriminate. Get help for yourself or someone you know. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0I.OUB/ZbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snippage My experience has been that as a born English speaker I found no subtle confusion when very young being introduced to a language of the country I was in. For example, learning Spanish in Mexico, because I heard and spoke both languages daily. I also rapidly forgot the non-English language after leaving its country of origin. The question in my mind is whether the confusion MMY is talking about is on such a subtle level that you *wouldn't* detect it as such--the point being that we really don't know what he's referring to. I mean no disrespect to him or to you, but if it is that subtle, from a practical standpoint, who cares? Sure, obviously it's an individual decision whether you want to worry about it on the basis of something MMY has said. I'm not advocating either way, and for all I know MMY could be completely wrong about it. I'm just saying that on the basis of what very little we know, it's not impossible that something could get screwed up on a very subtle level that would have some negative impact on grosser levels without the person necessarily being able to make the connection, or even realizing there had *been* a screwup. And if so, it might be something you'd want to avoid if you could, even if it did mean sacrificing some degree of ease of learning a second language as a tradeoff. Again, all I'm saying is that we can't rule this possibility out without knowing more about what MMY means. I'm not suggesting anybody even worry about it if they don't feel it's worth it. Just pointing out that the original conclusion that MMY can't be trusted with children's education in this regard isn't warranted on the basis of what information we have. There's just this knee-jerk kind of reaction that many here have, that if something MMY says doesn't immediately make perfect sense to us on its face, therefore it must be crazy and wrong. Maybe it is and maybe it isn't, but often the assumption is made on a very superficial basis. That's really all I'm getting at. Oh OK. Yes, I agree with you. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Need Help? Get Help! Tools and Strategies for Healthy Drug-Free Living/a. http://us.click.yahoo.com/wI.OUB/dbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Emotional Healing'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What do you guys think is the connection between the individual and collective consciousness? Here we go with another paradox. Once the illusion of seperation is largely dispelled as a result of identification with the Self, there really is no individual vs collective consciousness. So we act walk and talk like individuals, and operate as such because we each have our own physical bodies, and it is the practical material thing to do, but it is upon closer examination, not ultimately real. As an experiment, when we close our eyes, we expand to Infinity through silence, and when we open our eyes, we also expand to Infinity through the action of the senses. In both directions and in both cases, infinity is the end result. So there may appear to be a surface construct of individual vs collective consciousness, but the reality is forever a union of the two, a oneness, a singularity, where the actual boundary between 'me' and 'you' cannot be located. I've often felt that my individual evolution is in thrall to the collective, just as my income usually depends on the larger economy. Your remarks below consider only individual power, independent of collective consciousness. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Ever feel sad or cry for no reason at all? Depression. Narrated by Kate Hudson. http://us.click.yahoo.com/YbEMxA/ubOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 9, 2005, at 12:11 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 9, 2005, at 11:29 AM, authfriend wrote: How odd, you seem to have deleted what I went on to say, which made it clear I wasn't questioning the accepted scientific fact. It wasn't clear to me. Well, let's have another look, shall we? (Since you snipped it again.) The subtle confusion LBS refers to isn't necessarily in conflict with the principle that the younger the better in terms of second-language acquisition. The purported confusion may be on an entirely different level than that of facility in a second language. It isn't impossible that the optimal situation, in MMY's view, is a sort of trade-off between acquiring second-language facility and avoiding the subtle confusion. In other words, an older child may still be able to learn a second language well enough to become reasonably fluent in it at a point when learning it may no longer cause the subtle confusion. Or maybe not. But obviously we don't know enough, on the basis of LBS's account, to say either way. Where in what I wrote do you see any suggestion that I was questioning accepted scientific fact? I repeat: I think you just *assumed*, in a knee-jerk fashion, that I would question established scientific fact because you have me erroneously pegged as a true believer (or just hope you can convince others to think I am). And therefore you didn't pay much attention to the rest of what I said. If you had, you'd have seen that I was actually accepting as a given that children learn languages more easily the younger they are. (One hint: that's why I referred to it as a principle rather than a theory.) Despite repeated accusations of having some hidden agenda in the quoting of your email messages, there exists no such agenda, other than in your own consciousness. Oh, goodness, it's not just *my* email messages (I assume you mean posts to FFL and alt.m.t) by any means. You even snip portions of your own earlier posts when they might conflict with or detract from whatever you're saying in your current post. In any case, the snipping is always in your own interest. I'm quite willing to believe, however, that the agenda may not be conscious. I suspect it's just become second nature, and you do it without even thinking about it. That out of the way, do you have any relevant comment on what I suggested, i.e., that we don't know enough about what MMY means to come to the conclusion, as you did, that he isn't to be trusted with children's education? LOL. You read way too much into these things. Why do you think that is? You seem to be assuming I think it's the case, but obviously I don't. I note that you *still* can't address what I suggested; nor are you able to say where in what I wrote you saw any hint that I was questioning established scientific facts. Now, why do you think *that* is? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Drugs Don't Discriminate. Get help for yourself or someone you know. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0I.OUB/ZbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Emotional Healing'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The Shiva Sutras have a sloka(?) that specifically states that you become realized only through your own effort, nothing else. Another one o' them pair-of-oxes: Before liberation or the full sunshine of the Self in Unity, or pick your own description, we pray and exhort Gods, Godesses, and the saints and Masters to deliver us from our suffering. Afterwards, we are delighted we did it all by our Selves! As I was reading the first sentence, I thought you were going to finish by saying, Afterwards, we are delighted to find that every one of them was just our Self all along! Again, looking back it seems absurd that such a duality of deliverance from our ignorance by someone or someGod else would be preferred. After all, if we don't do it by ourselves, we can't really know exactly what we have done, and by extension would hypothetically remain in ignorance... Nah. We *do* know exactly what we have done: we have appealed to aspects of our very own Self. From the perspective of enlightenment--I would assume--there's no way we can do it *other* than by ourselves. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Ever feel sad or cry for no reason at all? Depression. Narrated by Kate Hudson. http://us.click.yahoo.com/YbEMxA/ubOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Emotional Healing'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The Shiva Sutras have a sloka(?) that specifically states that you become realized only through your own effort, nothing else. Another one o' them pair-of-oxes: Before liberation or the full sunshine of the Self in Unity, or pick your own description, we pray and exhort Gods, Godesses, and the saints and Masters to deliver us from our suffering. Afterwards, we are delighted we did it all by our Selves! As I was reading the first sentence, I thought you were going to finish by saying, Afterwards, we are delighted to find that every one of them was just our Self all along! Yep. Thanks, That is probably more accurate. Again, looking back it seems absurd that such a duality of deliverance from our ignorance by someone or someGod else would be preferred. After all, if we don't do it by ourselves, we can't really know exactly what we have done, and by extension would hypothetically remain in ignorance... Nah. We *do* know exactly what we have done: we have appealed to aspects of our very own Self. From the perspective of enlightenment--I would assume--there's no way we can do it *other* than by ourselves. Yep. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Drugs Don't Discriminate. Get help for yourself or someone you know. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0I.OUB/ZbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
On Dec 9, 2005, at 1:08 PM, authfriend wrote:Now, why do you think *that* is? I don't like wasting my time on constant arguments? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] FW: News from India about Ayurveda
Title: FW: News from India about Ayurveda Source: BBC Wednesday, 7 December 2005, 13:22 GMT India hits back in 'bio-piracy' battle In a quiet government office in the Indian capital, Delhi, some 100 doctors are hunched over computers poring over ancient medical texts and keying in information. These doctors are practitioners of ayurveda, unani and siddha, ancient Indian medical systems that date back thousands of years. One of them is Jaya Saklani Kala, a young ayurveda doctor, who is wading through a dog-eared 500-year-old text book for information on a medicine derived from the mango fruit. Soon the world will know the medicine, and the fact that it originated from India, she says. With help from software engineers and patent examiners, Ms Kala and her colleagues are putting together a 30-million-page electronic encyclopaedia of India's traditional medical knowledge, the first of its kind in the world. 'Bio-piracy' The ambitious $2m project, christened Traditional Knowledge Digital Library, will roll out an encyclopaedia of the country's traditional medicine in five languages - English, French, German, Japanese and Spanish - in an effort to stop people from claiming them as their own and patenting them. The electronic encyclopaedia, which will be made available next year, will contain information on the traditional medicines, including exhaustive references, photographs of the plants and scans from the original texts. Indian scientists say the country has been a victim of what they describe as bio-piracy for a long time. When we put out this encyclopaedia in the public domain, no one will be able to claim that these medicines or therapies are their inventions. Till now, we have not done the needful to protect our traditional wealth, says Ajay Dua, a senior bureaucrat in the federal commerce ministry. Putting together the encyclopaedia is a daunting task. For one, ayurvedic texts are in Sanskrit and Hindi, unani texts are in Arabic and Persian and siddha material is in Tamil language. Material from these texts is being translated into five international languages, using sophisticated software coding. The sheer wealth of material that has to be read through for information is enormous - there are some 54 authoritative 'text books' on ayurveda alone, some thousands of years old. Then there are nearly 150,000 recorded ayurvedic, unani and siddha medicines; and some 1,500 asanas (physical exercises and postures) in yoga, which originated in India more than 5,000 years ago. Under normal circumstances, a patent application should always be rejected if there is prior existing knowledge about the product. But in most of the developed nations like United States, prior existing knowledge is only recognised if it is published in a journal or is available on a database - not if it has been passed down through generations of oral and folk traditions. The irony here is that India has suffered even though its traditional knowledge, as in China, has been documented extensively. But information about traditional medicine has never been culled from their texts, translated and put out in the public domain. Litigation No wonder then that India has been embroiled in some high-profile patent litigation in the past decade - the government spent some $6m alone in fighting legal battles against the patenting of turmeric and neem-based medicines. In 1995, the US Patent Office granted a patent on the wound-healing properties of turmeric. Indian scientists protested and fought a two-year-long legal battle to get the patent revoked. Last year, India won a 10-year-long battle at the European Patent Office against a patent granted on an anti-fungal product, derived from neem, by successfully arguing that the medicinal neem tree is part of traditional Indian knowledge. In 1998 the US Patent Office granted patent to a local company for new strains of rice similar to basmati, which has been grown for centuries in the Himalayan foothills of north-west India and Pakistan and has become popular internationally. After a prolonged legal battle, the patent was revoked four years ago. And, in the US, an expatriate Indian yoga teacher has claimed copyright on a sequence of 36 yoga asanas, or postures. Dr Vinod Kumar Gupta, who is leading the traditional wealth encyclopaedia project and heads India's National Institute of Science Communication and Information Resources (Niscair), reckons that of the nearly 5,000 patents given out by the US Patent Office on various medical plants by the year 2000, some 80% were plants of Indian origin. Practitioners of traditional medicines say their importance cannot be denied - according to the WHO, 70% of the people living in India use traditional medicine for primary health care. Also, some 42% of the people living in the US and 70% of the people living in Canada have used traditional medicines at least once for treatment. By one estimate, a quarter of the new drugs
[FairfieldLife] Keeping Things Quiet (was Re: Hurdy Gurdy Man revealed)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] That's pretty much what I thought (and still think) was implied. I don't think either Barry or Vaj were implying it. They both meant to take a slam at me, not you, and were in too much of a hurry to do so to bother to think about what co-dependency actually means. Typical. Actually, if you read what Vaj and Barry say about ANYONE who agrees with you on something concerning them, they DO believe that we're all a co-dependent bunch of losers. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Need Help? Get Help! Tools and Strategies for Healthy Drug-Free Living/a. http://us.click.yahoo.com/wI.OUB/dbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Keeping Things Quiet (was Re: Hurdy Gurdy Man revealed)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] No, exactly backwards. As you keep saying, you might learn to read. I was suggesting that *you* are dependent on the people whom you feel agree with you. You can suggest anything you like. I'm just pointing out that that isn't what co-dependent means. A co- dependent is someone who is manipulated by another person with a personality disorder. Only if you're claiming Lawson is the one doing the manipulating could you properly call me the co-dependent. If I'm the manipulator, then Lawson is the co-dependent. We could also be mutually co-dependent. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Need Help? Get Help! Tools and Strategies for Healthy Drug-Free Living/a. http://us.click.yahoo.com/wI.OUB/dbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
Considering the track record of the MSAE, would you trust your children, if you had them, to the teachers there? Let's see...by now most of the decent teachers have long ago left, not willing to work for no pay, no benefits, and for an oftentimes capricious administration that routinely makes decisions that show a breath-taking lack of concern for anyone, including the kids. Now personally I can't imagine why anyone would object to those things, but there you have it. And the few halfway decent teachers that have remained teach the boys, since the education of girls apparently doesn't matter at all. This basically gives the parents of girls few options except to spend even more $$ and time hiring private tutors. And the parents kids with any kind of disability, be it learning, speech, behavior, etc are told to either stuff it or take care of it on their own, since, of course, children going to school in paradise don't have those issues. Sal On Dec 9, 2005, at 11:11 AM, authfriend wrote: That out of the way, do you have any relevant comment on what I suggested, i.e., that we don't know enough about what MMY means to come to the conclusion, as you did, that he isn't to be trusted with children's education?
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Emotional Healing'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] However, instead of then taking a breath of fresh air and getting on with life, he squanders his equity by trashing others. Aside from finding it annoying and disruptive, it doesn't help Tom in the slightest. Which is why I originally questioned the concept that itwas *always* good to open up and discuss such things. Deliberately waking the sleeping elephants (to use MMY's unstressing metaphor) may not be a good idea if you don't know where the exit is and don't have a guide to get you past the ensuing stampede. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AQDrNC/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] The question in my mind is whether the confusion MMY is talking about is on such a subtle level that you *wouldn't* detect it as such--the point being that we really don't know what he's referring to. Until we have a clearer idea, it makes no sense to assume he's contradicting established scientific fact. And of course, we don't know what is being referred to in the first place, since MY recollection is merely that MMY didn't like second languages being taught outside their country-of-use because it was inefficient and [presumeably] a waste of time. My first Japanese teacher is finishing up his doctorate in educational linguistics (my term). He's been doing research on interesting things like how native speakers move their eyes while reading their native language as opposed to secondary language speakers. Apparently there's a very striking difference that is quite consistent. His own comments in class,based on his years of study inthe field, about the utility of foreign language instruction outside a native- speaking country are very inline with what *I* have heard that MMY say about it. Ihaven't heard before that MMY says its not a good to learn a second laguage early on. In fact, given that most educated Indians are at least somewhat bilingual from exposure in school, including himself and apparently Gurudev, that would be rather silly. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Drugs Don't Discriminate. Get help for yourself or someone you know. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0I.OUB/ZbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Emotional Healing'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The Shiva Sutras have a sloka(?) that specifically states that you become realized only through your own effort, nothing else. Another one o' them pair-of-oxes: Before liberation or the full sunshine of the Self in Unity, or pick your own description, we pray and exhort Gods, Godesses, and the saints and Masters to deliver us from our suffering. Afterwards, we are delighted we did it all by our Selves! As I was reading the first sentence, I thought you were going to finish by saying, Afterwards, we are delighted to find that every one of them was just our Self all along! Again, looking back it seems absurd that such a duality of deliverance from our ignorance by someone or someGod else would be preferred. After all, if we don't do it by ourselves, we can't really know exactly what we have done, and by extension would hypothetically remain in ignorance... Nah. We *do* know exactly what we have done: we have appealed to aspects of our very own Self. From the perspective of enlightenment--I would assume--there's no way we can do it *other* than by ourselves. Isn't there something in the gita about the Self unfolding the Self or somesuch? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/hemMeA/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Considering the track record of the MSAE, would you trust your children, if you had them, to the teachers there? The track record has always seemed rather good. Has this changed? Let's see...by now most of the decent teachers have long ago left, not willing to work for no pay, no benefits, and for an oftentimes capricious administration that routinely makes decisions that show a breath-taking lack of concern for anyone, including the kids. I can't comment on these assertions, but has the school changed inthe past few months and years. National Merit Scholarship and semi- finalists don't grow on trees. Nor do exceptionaly high scores on standardized tests. Now personally I can't imagine why anyone would object to those things, but there you have it. And the few halfway decent teachers that have remained teach the boys, since the education of girls apparently doesn't matter at all. This basically gives the parents of girls few options except to spend even more $$ and time hiring private tutors. Do you have documentation that there is such a dichotomy in educational treatment? And the parents kids with any kind of disability, be it learning, speech, behavior, etc are told to either stuff it or take care of it on their own, since, of course, children going to school in paradise don't have those issues. Heh. Screening takes all forms. Few public charter schools are willing to deal with extreme special needs kids and the way Arizona law is set up, they don't have to. Aside from wheelchair access andthe like, charter schools aren't required to be equiped for arbitrary special needs because, by definition, charter schools are specializing in special needs already. Most private schools operate the same way: if your child doesn't fit the curriculum or facility, then they don't modify the curriculum or the facilities to accomidate the child -- the child has to go somewhere that DOES accomidate them. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Drugs Don't Discriminate. Get help for yourself or someone you know. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0I.OUB/ZbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Emotional Healing'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] However, instead of then taking a breath of fresh air and getting on with life, he squanders his equity by trashing others. Aside from finding it annoying and disruptive, it doesn't help Tom in the slightest. Which is why I originally questioned the concept that itwas *always* good to open up and discuss such things. Deliberately waking the sleeping elephants (to use MMY's unstressing metaphor) may not be a good idea if you don't know where the exit is and don't have a guide to get you past the ensuing stampede. I agree- was never much for group 'therapy' myself. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/hemMeA/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Considering the track record of the MSAE, would you trust your children, if you had them, to the teachers there? Let's see...I believe the context of my post was MMY's reported notion that very young children shouldn't be taught second languages because it causes some kind of subtle confusion. I'm having a little trouble seeing how the things you list have anything to do with that. Would you care to elaborate? (And frankly, I don't take what you knee-jerk anti-TMOers have to say about the horrors of the TMO any more seriously than I do what the TBers have to say about its glories. I consider the perspective of both groups rather seriously warped.) Let's see...by now most of the decent teachers have long ago left, not willing to work for no pay, no benefits, and for an oftentimes capricious administration that routinely makes decisions that show a breath-taking lack of concern for anyone, including the kids. Now personally I can't imagine why anyone would object to those things, but there you have it. And the few halfway decent teachers that have remained teach the boys, since the education of girls apparently doesn't matter at all. This basically gives the parents of girls few options except to spend even more $$ and time hiring private tutors. And the parents kids with any kind of disability, be it learning, speech, behavior, etc are told to either stuff it or take care of it on their own, since, of course, children going to school in paradise don't have those issues. Sal On Dec 9, 2005, at 11:11 AM, authfriend wrote: That out of the way, do you have any relevant comment on what I suggested, i.e., that we don't know enough about what MMY means to come to the conclusion, as you did, that he isn't to be trusted with children's education? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/HcoraC/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
On Dec 9, 2005, at 2:34 PM, authfriend wrote: Let's see...I believe the context of my post was MMY's reported notion that very young children shouldn't be taught second languages because it causes some kind of subtle confusion. And what exactly gives you the impression that MMY knows *anything* about what children need, or what causes confusion or anything else? All the experience he's had raising them? I'm having a little trouble seeing how the things you list have anything to do with that. Would you care to elaborate? I'm obviously experiencing subtle confusion. Must have been the Spanish I took in grade school. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 9, 2005, at 2:34 PM, authfriend wrote: Let's see...I believe the context of my post was MMY's reported notion that very young children shouldn't be taught second languages because it causes some kind of subtle confusion. And what exactly gives you the impression that MMY knows *anything* about what children need, or what causes confusion or anything else? All the experience he's had raising them? I don't believe I said I had that impression. Do you think you're reading more than is there into what I'm writing? I'm having a little trouble seeing how the things you list have anything to do with that. Would you care to elaborate? I'm obviously experiencing subtle confusion. Must have been the Spanish I took in grade school. Sal Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AQDrNC/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Woman's Duty, Happiness and Power...was Men and women
Taken from the Book Sri Datta Darshanam. Jaya Guru Datta The most virtuous Anasuya Mata was the wife of Lord Brahma's mind born son, Saptarishi Atri. She was the 2nd daughter of Kardama Prajapati and Devahuti. Brahma's act of creating the human species continued ceaselessly; and has it continued people indulged in sense pleasure and vulgar enjoyments in the name of Grhastha Dharma. They ignored the need for contemplation and forgot the Soul. This caused Brahma deep anguish, and he reflected over it seriously. He came to the conclusion that the incarnation of a Saviour possessing immense moral and spiritual power would be the only solution to this problem. He performed the marriage of Anasuya with his own mind born son Atri, a peerless Brahmajnani. He commanded Atri to assist him in his work of creation according to Grhastha Dharma (householder). That excellent couple spent many thousands of celestial years as man and wife. Their wedded life was full of tapas, faultless, marvelous, unequalled and unsullied by lust. By the power of his tapas Maharishi Atri was able to receive the revelation of the 5th mandala of the Shakalya branch of the Rig Veda. That part of the Veda containing prayer to Agnilinga, and the topic of Amarendra which possesses the power of bestowing happiness both here and hereafter. During Krita Yuga when disease and sickness spread and the world of living beings was being destroyed, it was Maharishi Atri who obtained the vision of Ayurveda. At another time when people were feeling that the Dharma Shastra compied by Manu had become incomprehensible, Atri himself composed a Smrti in words beautiful, clear and easy to understand. When the demons captured the Sun and Moon plunging the whole world into utter darkness, it was Atri who was sought by the devatas. He himself assumed the form of the Sun and Moon and dispersed lighrt to the world. There is no comparison to the various miracles performed by Anasuya, with her exemplary chastity and sincere devotion to here husband. Once, due to scorching heat, the river Ganga dried up; and Anasuya brought the river back to life for the convenience of the munis. Another time the river Ganga lost its purity and had been turned black by the sinner's touch. Anasuya sprinkled water from her kamandalu and burnt away all the impurities of Ganga in an instant. Many such deeds she performed. It was through their intense tapas that the Trinity... Brahma, Vishnu, and Shiva appeared at the same time and told them they would be born to them as their son who was Dattatreya. Anasuya was human, yet her chastity and fame was so great as to instill the jealousy of the three Goddesses, Lakshmi, Saraswati, and Parvati. (parts of story snipped) Anasuya was called upon to save the world when another chaste woman, Sumati kept the son from rising due to another curse on her husband, Kausika. Anasuya said this to Sumati: For a virtuous and devoted wife, the company of her husband alone is all the world. His happiness is her happiness. His nearness alone gives meaning to her life. she has life so long as the husband is hale and hearty. Such a one is said to be a 'Pativrata'. While a man cannot acquire merit without undergoing much suffering and without observing rituals, for us, dedicated service to our husbands is enough. That alone can easily give us all rewards. For women there is no need for any other religious observances or disciplines. For a Woman her husband alone is God. Service to one's husband is worship to God. I have achieved great things through that alone. In Datta seva Sri Guru Datta Hanuman Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Ever feel sad or cry for no reason at all? Depression. Narrated by Kate Hudson. http://us.click.yahoo.com/CQDrNC/ubOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fidel Castro and TM
You are probably right. World government and raja rhetoric certainly wouldn't do. But a research project to evaluate the benefits of a simple alternative medicine technique might be another story. -Eustace --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Castro wouldn't let SSRS in the country several years ago. I doubt he'd let the TMO with its world government and raja rhetoric into the country for anything. --- Eustace [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Several years ago TMO had considered Fidel Castro the personification of the Invincibility principle, or something like that. It was quite appropriate given the more than 400, if I remember correctly, assassination attempts against his person organized by the CIA and the Miami mafia... Anyway, if you do a search on a recent speech he gave: http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/WO0512/S00120.htm you will find that he uses several time the verb meditate, once meditation, and once transcendental (in a context where the use of the word was kink of artificial and certainly not necessitated). A reasonable explanation would be that the efforts of TMO to reach him had, after all, some effect, at some (conscious or unconscious) level. I think people in the TMO should know about this. I don't think that suggesting that Cuba organize a group of yogic flyers would be such a good idea... It takes a lot of believing for the uninitiated and has not worked even in much richer countries. But Cuba has excellent medicine. Maybe some research project could be proposed that the Cuban doctors would be interested to participate in or carry out... It would be great if they would couple their El pueblo/ unido/ jamas sera vencido! (The people united will never be defeated) with Yogastah kuru karmani. JGD, Eustace Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/abEMxA/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] MSAE record, was Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
No, it's not changed. Although the brutally cynical posters on this board will never acknowledge it, MSAE has a remarkable record of significant achievement. See the list compiled below, which I have taken from the MSAE website. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Considering the track record of the MSAE, would you trust your children, if you had them, to the teachers there? The track record has always seemed rather good. Has this changed? MSAE HIGHLIGHTS OF ACHIEVEMENTS In the past decade, students at Maharishi School have won more than 100 state titles in science, speech, drama, writing, poetry, spelling, art, photography, history, mathematics, chess, tennis, golf, track, and Destination ImagiNation, a national and international creative problem-solving competition. Grades 10-12 score in the top 1% nationally, and in Iowa, on standardized tests (ITED) 95% of graduates accepted at four-year colleges Over ten times the nation's average for National Merit Scholar Finalists over the past five years State Record: 41 state championships in creative problem-solving competitions Destination ImagiNation and Odyssey of the Mind World Record: Winners of the Global Finals of Destination ImagiNation, and more top-ten finishes than any other school in the world First Place: American High School Math Exam, Iowa Division, four years in a row First Place: Five first-place finishes, Iowa State History Fair, Senior Division First Place: Ten first-place finishes in the senior division of the Eastern Iowa or Hawkeye state science fairs Grand Champions: Eight grand champion awards in the past decade in the junior division of the Eastern Iowa Science and Engineering Fair First place: Twice winner of the state spelling bee State Record: Most Critic's Choice State Banner Awards for speech in the past decade (16) National Champion: Bravo Cable Channel High School Theater Competition State Record: Congressional Art Competition, An Artistic Discovery, grand prize three years in a row First Place: Iowa Poetry Association's high school contest First Place: Iowa Young Writer of the Year award State Champion: Iowa Junior Chess Championship First Place: Iowa Educational Media Association (Photography) Grand Prize: International Photo Imaging Education Association competition State Champions: 16 boys' state tennis championships, tying for the most in Iowa history State Champion: Girls' state singles tennis State Record: Tennis Triple Crown winner two years in a row State Record: Boys' track 800 m State Champions: Golf team and individual ESVN * The End School Violence Now (ESVN) and Students Creating Peace Network (SCPN) has given presentations on radio stations, participated in Youth Development in the 21st Century sponsored by the 4-H clubs of America, and given presentations to guests of the School. The students have given presentations at the St.Louis Enlightened Sentencing Project Graduation. They were invited to represent Southeast Iowa at the Youth Development in the 21st Century Conference at Iowa State University in Ames, and invited to Expo High School in Waterloo, Iowa. They were also invited to the kick-off event for the Season of Non-Violence in Los Angeles where they spoke to educators, parents and the event organizers. While in Los Angeles a presentation was given at a South Los Angeles alternative High School. All the events met with great success. The students are working on a student-to-student video, a web site, and other projects to bring 8,000 Yogic Flyers to Maharishi University of Management and Maharishi Vedic City. Let's see...by now most of the decent teachers have long ago left, not willing to work for no pay, no benefits, and for an oftentimes capricious administration that routinely makes decisions that show a breath-taking lack of concern for anyone, including the kids. I can't comment on these assertions, but has the school changed inthe past few months and years. National Merit Scholarship and semi- finalists don't grow on trees. Nor do exceptionaly high scores on standardized tests. Now personally I can't imagine why anyone would object to those things, but there you have it. And the few halfway decent teachers that have remained teach the boys, since the education of girls apparently doesn't matter at all. This basically gives the parents of girls few options except to spend even more $$ and time hiring private tutors. Do you have documentation that there is such a dichotomy in educational treatment? And the parents kids with any kind of disability, be it learning, speech, behavior, etc are told to either stuff it or take care of it on their own, since, of course, children going to school in paradise don't have
[FairfieldLife] Walking through solid walls..Witnessed by hundreds
Life History of H.H. Sri Swamiji 161 Life History of H.H. Sri Swamiji 161 sgslh_raosyama Offline Send Email Seeing the tail is like seeing the tiger is a saying. Some people who believe in statements like that, spread the news that the entire city of Mysore was blacked out. Swamy was angry at this exaggeration of facts and said, I do not touch any wires at all. The elder residents of the colony heaved a sigh of relief on hearing it from Swamy. They were frightened that their stupidity in testing Swamy would lead them to be prosecuted by the officials of the electricity board. Swamy had already said that it was his duty to save them. These events did upset Swamy a lot. He increased his tour programmes of visiting other places. Some days he spent his time in the prayer room of Nagappa's house. When he wanted to spend more time on meditation without being disturbed, he preferred to come to Nagappa's house. Nagappa and his wife Jayamma were always ready to receive Swamy at their house. Jayamma actually looked upon and treated Swamy as her own grandson. Swamy on his part walked around like their child in that house. He addressed Jayamma as Amma, Amma. Nagappa's car was the disposal of Swamy and met all his travel needs. One or two other cars belonging to the other devotees were also available for the use of Swamy if needed. Nagappa's driver served Swamy with love and devotion. Sometimes Dwaraka would go in the middle of the night on his bike to Nagappa's house to get the car. The driver happily would get up and come to the ashrama and take Swamy wherever he wanted to go. One day there was a violin concert by the famous A.S.Shivarudrappa at Nagappa's house. Shivarudrappa was a great violinist, a scholar and had received honours at the place. He used to attract a number of fans at his concerts. He enjoyed playing for Swamy. That day both Swamy and Shivarudrappa was deeply immersed in the music. Few people sitting near the homa commented, Who cares for these powers? It is only for the benefit of the rich. These are guises of cheats. (Meaning that the guises are to attract the money from the rich). Swamy walked towards them angrily, and like a small child rolling his cheeks and lips made a funny noise and spat out a number of loose coins from his mouth. As they had considered Swamy as Ashadabhootis, Swamy had decided to materialise only loose coins for them. The critics sat quiet and did not even apologise. Swamy went back to his seat. At the end of the homa the devotees came forward to receive the blessing of Swamy. The turn came for the critics to receive the blessings. Swamy stopped them and said, Why do you want to fall at the feet of Ashadabhootis? Those critics were sorry and fell at the feet of Swamy and begged to be excused. In view of the demand, the city transport authority had organised special bus services to the ashrama. On the days of sankeertanas, the programme would go late into the evening and the bus drivers waited patiently till the last of the passenger got on to the bus. There was no worry for the devotees about missing the last bus. The final stop of the bus to the ashrama came to be known as the Swamy's ashrama stop.] An unusual event happened one Thursday. The bhajans finished at about 10pm. Swamy went inside to take rest. Prasadam was being distributed to the devotees. Some youngsters from the colony started a scuffle. The youngsters were complaining that the functions at the ashrama were disturbing this sleep. some devotees tried to object to the criticism by the lads and that ended up in the scuffle that night. Not wanting to see any harm come to Swamy, some of the devotees locked his room from outside. All the houses at the colony were of a stereotype; they did not have a backdoor. There was only one way in and out of the houses. The youngsters started shouting that Swamy was frightened of them and has decided to hide inside. Holding on to their batons and other tools, they started shouting and asking for Swamy to come out and face them. Swamy shouted and asked his devotees to open the door and let him out to face the youngsters. No one took notice of Swamy's request. Suddenly Swamy came out through the solid walls of the room shouting, Who is the fool that is asking for me? Hundreds of devotees witnessed this miracle. The youngsters got frightened and some even wet their trousers. Dropping their tools they ran away. Some of them asked Swamy for his forgiveness. The elders in the colony also asked forgiveness for the acts committed by the youngsters. Srikantiah begged Swamy to calm down and took him inside. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sacredlifeofswamiji/ This Yahoo group contains the complete story from the beginning . Satyam, or Satyanarayana referred to here was Sri Swamiji's name as a child. Later references to Swamy are to Him as well. It describes in detail Sri Swamiji's
[FairfieldLife] Re: Woman's Duty, Happiness and Power...was Men and women
I'm excited about this information. It sounds so easy, there must be a catch, or maybe something got lost in translation. What are some of the rewards I could expect? When can I expect them? What kinds of services should I provide to my husband--specific duties, or is it anything goes? Please elaborate if possible, thank you. I'm tired of waiting for the payoff from all the tapas. --vashtirama --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hanumanhoffman9 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Taken from the Book Sri Datta Darshanam. Jaya Guru Datta [snipt] Anasuya said this to Sumati: For a virtuous and devoted wife, the company of her husband alone is all the world. His happiness is her happiness. His nearness alone gives meaning to her life. she has life so long as the husband is hale and hearty. Such a one is said to be a 'Pativrata'. While a man cannot acquire merit without undergoing much suffering and without observing rituals, for us, dedicated service to our husbands is enough. That alone can easily give us all rewards. For women there is no need for any other religious observances or disciplines. For a Woman her husband alone is God. Service to one's husband is worship to God. I have achieved great things through that alone. In Datta seva Sri Guru Datta Hanuman Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/hemMeA/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] TM n kids
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Re: [FairfieldLife] MSAE record, was Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
On Dec 9, 2005, at 3:32 PM, feste37 wrote: No, it's not changed. Although the brutally cynical posters on this board will never acknowledge it, MSAE has a remarkable record of significant achievement. See the list compiled below, which I have taken from the MSAE website. Yes, now there's a credible, objective source. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > Considering the track record of the MSAE, would you trust your > > children, if you had them, to the teachers there? > > The track record has always seemed rather good. Has this changed? MSAE HIGHLIGHTS OF ACHIEVEMENTS In the past decade, students at Maharishi School have won more than 100 state titles in science, speech, drama, writing, poetry, spelling, art, photography, history, mathematics, chess, tennis, golf, track, and Destination ImagiNation, a national and international creative problem-solving competition. Do you believe everything you read on websites, Feste? Notice the lack of specifics, or even the lack of names. What state titles were these, anyway? Grades 10-12 score in the top 1% nationally, and in Iowa, on standardized tests (ITED) 95% of graduates accepted at four-year colleges Many if not most of the graduates there go to MUM. Again, if they're all going to well-known colleges, they would mention which ones. Over ten times the nation's average for National Merit Scholar Finalists over the past five years What does that mean, exactly? The nation doesn't have an average for National Merit Scholar Finalists, individual high schools do. State Record: 41 state championships in creative problem-solving competitions Destination ImagiNation and Odyssey of the Mind Yep. And these programs are so great that every other private school in the country participates in them, right? Ever been to their websites? World Record: Winners of the Global Finals of Destination ImagiNation, and more top-ten finishes than any other school in the world First Place: American High School Math Exam, Iowa Division, four years in a row First Place: Five first-place finishes, Iowa State History Fair, Senior Division First Place: Ten first-place finishes in the senior division of the Eastern Iowa or Hawkeye state science fairs Grand Champions: Eight grand champion awards in the past decade in the junior division of the Eastern Iowa Science and Engineering Fair First place: Twice winner of the state spelling bee State Record: Most Critic's Choice State Banner Awards for speech in the past decade (16) National Champion: Bravo Cable Channel High School Theater Competition State Record: Congressional Art Competition, An Artistic Discovery, grand prize three years in a row First Place: Iowa Poetry Association's high school contest First Place: Iowa Young Writer of the Year award State Champion: Iowa Junior Chess Championship First Place: Iowa Educational Media Association (Photography) Grand Prize: International Photo Imaging Education Association competition State Champions: 16 boys' state tennis championships, tying for the most in Iowa history State Champion: Girls' state singles tennis State Record: Tennis Triple Crown winner two years in a row State Record: Boys' track 800 m State Champions: Golf team and individual ESVN * The End School Violence Now (ESVN) and Students Creating Peace Network (SCPN) has given presentations on radio stations, participated in Youth Development in the 21st Century sponsored by the 4-H clubs of America, and given presentations to guests of the School. The students have given presentations at the St.Louis Enlightened Sentencing Project Graduation. They were invited to represent Southeast Iowa at the Youth Development in the 21st Century Conference at Iowa State University in Ames, and invited to Expo High School in Waterloo, Iowa. They were also invited to the kick-off event for the Season of Non-Violence in Los Angeles where they spoke to educators, parents and the event organizers. While in Los Angeles a presentation was given at a South Los Angeles alternative High School. All the events met with great success. The students are working on a student-to-student video, a web site, and other projects to bring 8,000 Yogic Flyers to Maharishi University of Management and Maharishi Vedic City. > > I can't comment on these assertions, but has the school changed inthe > past few months and years. National Merit Scholarship and semi- > finalists don't grow on trees. Nor do exceptionaly high scores on > standardized tests. > > Now > > personally I can't imagine why anyone would object to those things, > but > > there you have it. And the few halfway decent teachers that have > > remained teach the boys, since the education of girls apparently
[FairfieldLife] Howard Stern, another celebrity TMer
In TM, you let distracting thoughts float right out of your mind. Some thoughts, though, are like fish bones. Like how about that ad Howard's boss took out? Good riddance to twenty years of stale fart jokes, as if he couldn't wait to usher Howard out the door. Infuriating! Reduce Howard to fart jokes! What about his penis and vagina material? He practically invented saying penis and vagina on the radio! And his stripper bits and lesbian gags and his legion of deformed and defective characters? Howard's boss ought to drop to his knees and thank him. Those fart jokes built an empire! That genius should get testicular cancer! http://newyorkmetro.com/nymetro/news/people/features/15250/index.html Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/hemMeA/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Emotional Healing'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The Shiva Sutras Just happened to find a PDFile of Shiva-suutras on my Desktop. Suutra I 18 might refer to (bidirectional)M-effect: lokaanandaH samaadhi-sukham (his bliss of samaadhi is [a cause of?] happiness of the world - or vice versa: in Sanskrit word order is rather free, so both samaadhi-sukham and lokaanandaH can be considered the subject or topic, or whatever). have a sloka(?) that specifically states that you become realized only through your own effort, nothing else. Perhaps II 2: pra_yatnaH saadhakaH ?? Another one o' them pair-of-oxes: Before liberation or the full sunshine of the Self in Unity, or pick your own description, we pray and exhort Gods, Godesses, and the saints and Masters to deliver us from our suffering. Afterwards, we are delighted we did it all by our Selves! As I was reading the first sentence, I thought you were going to finish by saying, Afterwards, we are delighted to find that every one of them was just our Self all along! Again, looking back it seems absurd that such a duality of deliverance from our ignorance by someone or someGod else would be preferred. After all, if we don't do it by ourselves, we can't really know exactly what we have done, and by extension would hypothetically remain in ignorance... Nah. We *do* know exactly what we have done: we have appealed to aspects of our very own Self. From the perspective of enlightenment--I would assume--there's no way we can do it *other* than by ourselves. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Need Help? Get Help! Tools and Strategies for Healthy Drug-Free Living/a. http://us.click.yahoo.com/wI.OUB/dbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Emotional Healing'
Maybe I read a bad translation! --- cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The Shiva Sutras Just happened to find a PDFile of Shiva-suutras on my Desktop. Suutra I 18 might refer to (bidirectional)M-effect: lokaanandaH samaadhi-sukham (his bliss of samaadhi is [a cause of?] happiness of the world - or vice versa: in Sanskrit word order is rather free, so both samaadhi-sukham and lokaanandaH can be considered the subject or topic, or whatever). have a sloka(?) that specifically states that you become realized only through your own effort, nothing else. Perhaps II 2: pra_yatnaH saadhakaH ?? Another one o' them pair-of-oxes: Before liberation or the full sunshine of the Self in Unity, or pick your own description, we pray and exhort Gods, Godesses, and the saints and Masters to deliver us from our suffering. Afterwards, we are delighted we did it all by our Selves! As I was reading the first sentence, I thought you were going to finish by saying, Afterwards, we are delighted to find that every one of them was just our Self all along! Again, looking back it seems absurd that such a duality of deliverance from our ignorance by someone or someGod else would be preferred. After all, if we don't do it by ourselves, we can't really know exactly what we have done, and by extension would hypothetically remain in ignorance... Nah. We *do* know exactly what we have done: we have appealed to aspects of our very own Self. From the perspective of enlightenment--I would assume--there's no way we can do it *other* than by ourselves. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Need Help? Get Help! Tools and Strategies for Healthy Drug-Free Living/a. http://us.click.yahoo.com/wI.OUB/dbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Ever feel sad or cry for no reason at all? Depression. Narrated by Kate Hudson. http://us.click.yahoo.com/YbEMxA/ubOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] MSAE record, was Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
You are so intent on denigrating the achievements of others that you can see nothing but faults and failures. Successes should also be acknowledged, in my view. That doesn't mean that the school is perfect, or without serious problems, but its successes are undeniable to any reasonable observer. Nor are these successes all in the past. If you were to look at the University Report, 2004-05, you would see full details of awards won, with names of competitions and students. (I don't think it's available online; it's sent to donors.) Here's just one example: Maharishi School students won more first- and second-place awards than any other school in the world at the Destination ImagiNation world competition held in Knoxville, Tennessee. I don't expect to convince you of the merits of the school, nor do I care to, since you appear to be more interested in venting your anger and cynicism than in pursuing the truth, but I hope there are others on this forum who are capable of reaching more accurate, balanced and informed conclusions than you are. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 9, 2005, at 3:32 PM, feste37 wrote: No, it's not changed. Although the brutally cynical posters on this board will never acknowledge it, MSAE has a remarkable record of significant achievement. See the list compiled below, which I have taken from the MSAE website. Yes, now there's a credible, objective source. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Considering the track record of the MSAE, would you trust your children, if you had them, to the teachers there? The track record has always seemed rather good. Has this changed? MSAE HIGHLIGHTS OF ACHIEVEMENTS In the past decade, students at Maharishi School have won more than 100 state titles in science, speech, drama, writing, poetry, spelling, art, photography, history, mathematics, chess, tennis, golf, track, and Destination ImagiNation, a national and international creative problem-solving competition. Do you believe everything you read on websites, Feste? Notice the lack of specifics, or even the lack of names. What state titles were these, anyway? Grades 10-12 score in the top 1% nationally, and in Iowa, on standardized tests (ITED) 95% of graduates accepted at four-year colleges Many if not most of the graduates there go to MUM. Again, if they're all going to well-known colleges, they would mention which ones. Over ten times the nation's average for National Merit Scholar Finalists over the past five years What does that mean, exactly? The nation doesn't have an average for National Merit Scholar Finalists, individual high schools do. State Record: 41 state championships in creative problem-solving competitions Destination ImagiNation and Odyssey of the Mind Yep. And these programs are so great that every other private school in the country participates in them, right? Ever been to their websites? World Record: Winners of the Global Finals of Destination ImagiNation, and more top-ten finishes than any other school in the world First Place: American High School Math Exam, Iowa Division, four years in a row First Place: Five first-place finishes, Iowa State History Fair, Senior Division First Place: Ten first-place finishes in the senior division of the Eastern Iowa or Hawkeye state science fairs Grand Champions: Eight grand champion awards in the past decade in the junior division of the Eastern Iowa Science and Engineering Fair First place: Twice winner of the state spelling bee State Record: Most Critic's Choice State Banner Awards for speech in the past decade (16) National Champion: Bravo Cable Channel High School Theater Competition State Record: Congressional Art Competition, An Artistic Discovery, grand prize three years in a row First Place: Iowa Poetry Association's high school contest First Place: Iowa Young Writer of the Year award State Champion: Iowa Junior Chess Championship First Place: Iowa Educational Media Association (Photography) Grand Prize: International Photo Imaging Education Association competition State Champions: 16 boys' state tennis championships, tying for the most in Iowa history State Champion: Girls' state singles tennis State Record: Tennis Triple Crown winner two years in a row State Record: Boys' track 800 m State Champions: Golf team and individual ESVN * The End School Violence Now (ESVN) and Students Creating Peace Network (SCPN) has given presentations on radio stations, participated in Youth Development in the 21st
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Emotional Healing'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The attributes of a survivor and what makes Anon exceedingly successful in his profession. Which is? lurk Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AQDrNC/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Was:The supposed Emotional Healing of Tom Pall, Now: Pity Party
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Tom Pall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bostonbob53 [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm sorry, but I just don't get it. Anon or Tom Pall, these posts are obviously his. What the hell? Does he think he's fooling anyone or that anyone still cares? They still care enought to attack him. To state categorically that he is forever doomed because development stops when abuse begins. Your ridiculous pity party is becoming absurd,Tom. Everybody is sorry that some really nasty shit happened to you growing up, but to play it over and over again in order to justify your rage towards others is getting very old, very quickly. And these inferences you come up with from others' posts that you turn into statements that you then claim they made against you is asinine. Butch up, man. Deal with your shit, don't pathetically smear it all over a newsgroup. You need professional help to deal with your past trauma. No amount of yagyas will help you as evidenced by your posts! Yeah, I know. You have contacted the authorities, my employer and have lawyers on retainer that will sue me for everything. My guess is that Tom wants to have the last word and even up all his imagined slights. So okay Tom. You win. We all love you. Happy now? That is absolutely what Tom wants. He wants sincere apologies from the people who derided him over and over. He want a detailed, sincere apology from the Dr. who said that Tom would always be his nigah. You stupid liar. I said no such thing and you know it. GROW UP baby boy. Tom is working day and night to get FFL deleted. He wants the slams made against him and encouraged by others undone. He'll eventuall shame the hatemongers into apologizing or better yet, make FFL not be there when you next go to visit it. So he won't have to see more ganging up against him to slam him for the fun of it. You are a pathetic whiner. If you don't like FFL, then LEAVE. Nobody is making you stay, are they? And he wants the So okay Tom. You win. We all love you. Happy now? turned into sincere words. Not of we love you but we've been some really immature louts. If it's too tedious for you to do so, then just keep your wise ass Happy now? comments out of it. You have added to the flames. Happy now? Why do you continue the abuse, Tom? You set yourself-up so people post comments like the one I'm making and the emotional abuse continues. Ever heard of a repetition compulsion? You interact with people to draw out their ire and then you scream Foul! Unfair! Look how horrible people are towards me! I was abused! You really need help. You don't need to act-out your rage in a newsgroup. Good bye. Go. Leave. Nobody cares anymore. Go crap on somebody else. We're no longer interested. Have someone else change your dirty diaper. Pathetic. Are you happy now that I've posted this? Isn't a post such as this exactly what you want so you can now pout and become outraged against the injustice of these comments? Look at what you're doing. But unfortunately the odds of that are the same as the pundits arriving. Dr. Pete, you know you're just saying this,...cause IT'S TRUE!! Lurk Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Drugs Don't Discriminate. Get help for yourself or someone you know. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0I.OUB/ZbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM --- -~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Ever feel sad or cry for no reason at all? Depression. Narrated by Kate Hudson. http://us.click.yahoo.com/YbEMxA/ubOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] MSAE record, was Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
On Dec 9, 2005, at 6:14 PM, feste37 wrote: You are so intent on denigrating the achievements of others that you can see nothing but faults and failures. Successes should also be acknowledged, in my view. I agree. Got any? I mean real ones, with specifics. That doesn't mean that the school is perfect, or without serious problems, but its successes are undeniable to any reasonable observer. Really? Is that why, with a few exceptions, most parents take their kids out at some point, usually for at least a year or two if not several. Nor are these successes all in the past. If you were to look at the University Report, 2004-05, you would see full details of awards won, with names of competitions and students. (I don't think it's available online; How convenient. it's sent to donors.) Here's just one example: Maharishi School students won more first- and second-place awards than any other school in the world at the Destination ImagiNation world competition held in Knoxville, Tennessee. I don't expect to convince you of the merits of the school, nor do I care to, since you appear to be more interested in venting your anger and cynicism than in pursuing the truth, but I hope there are others on this forum who are capable of reaching more accurate, balanced and informed conclusions than you are. Doubtful. :) Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Was:The supposed Emotional Healing of Tom Pall, Now: Pity Party
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Tom Pall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bostonbob53 [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm sorry, but I just don't get it. Anon or Tom Pall, these posts are obviously his. What the hell? Does he think he's fooling anyone or that anyone still cares? They still care enought to attack him. To state categorically that he is forever doomed because development stops when abuse begins. Your ridiculous pity party is becoming absurd,Tom. Everybody is sorry that some really nasty shit happened to you growing up, but to play it over and over again in order to justify your rage towards others is getting very old, very quickly. And these inferences you come up with from others' posts that you turn into statements that you then claim they made against you is asinine. Butch up, man. Deal with your shit, don't pathetically smear it all over a newsgroup. You need professional help to deal with your past trauma. No amount of yagyas will help you as evidenced by your posts! Yeah, I know. You have contacted the authorities, my employer and have lawyers on retainer that will sue me for everything. My guess is that Tom wants to have the last word and even up all his imagined slights. So okay Tom. You win. We all love you. Happy now? That is absolutely what Tom wants. He wants sincere apologies from the people who derided him over and over. He want a detailed, sincere apology from the Dr. who said that Tom would always be his nigah. You stupid liar. I said no such thing and you know it. GROW UP baby boy. Tom is working day and night to get FFL deleted. He wants the slams made against him and encouraged by others undone. He'll eventuall shame the hatemongers into apologizing or better yet, make FFL not be there when you next go to visit it. So he won't have to see more ganging up against him to slam him for the fun of it. You are a pathetic whiner. If you don't like FFL, then LEAVE. Nobody is making you stay, are they? And he wants the So okay Tom. You win. We all love you. Happy now? turned into sincere words. Not of we love you but we've been some really immature louts. If it's too tedious for you to do so, then just keep your wise ass Happy now? comments out of it. You have added to the flames. Happy now? Why do you continue the abuse, Tom? You set yourself-up so people post comments like the one I'm making and the emotional abuse continues. Ever heard of a repetition compulsion? You interact with people to draw out their ire and then you scream Foul! Unfair! Look how horrible people are towards me! I was abused! You really need help. You don't need to act-out your rage in a newsgroup. Good bye. Go. Leave. Nobody cares anymore. Go crap on somebody else. We're no longer interested. Have someone else change your dirty diaper. Pathetic. Are you happy now that I've posted this? Isn't a post such as this exactly what you want so you can now pout and become outraged against the injustice of these comments? Look at what you're doing. But unfortunately the odds of that are the same as the pundits arriving. I'm calling this Exhibit A for the Dr. Pete School of Tough Love. You stamp out this kind of advice, you stamp out real progress on dealing with your issues. lurk Funny story: I had a paranoid schizophrenic working for our small company as a delivery driver. He was super smart, high IQ, the usual. But the voices were always there, and he didn't take his medication, but was generally a great worker. After he had missed work a few days and put us in a real bind, I called him aside and gave a brilliant talk about the spirtual path, dealing with issues, facing your demons etc., I was sure that I had given the impetus to turn the corner. WRONG. It had no effect (that I could see). Luckily he quit on this own a few months later. He and the mafia that tormented him every day. lurk Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Drugs Don't Discriminate. Get help for yourself or someone you know. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0I.OUB/ZbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM --- -~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Ever feel sad or cry for no reason at all? Depression. Narrated by Kate Hudson.
[FairfieldLife] MSAE record, was Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, it's not changed. Although the brutally cynical posters on this board will never acknowledge it, MSAE has a remarkable record of significant achievement. See the list compiled below, which I have taken from the MSAE website. Okay, maybe I'm shooting from the hip cause I'm jumping in on this thread, but is it so difficult to train or inspire kids to be high achievers? I always had the impression that MSAE and the MIU community had something to prove with MSAE. That even though we were fringe, we could out-achieve, out-perform the traditional segment. And that this was a kind of mission. Here's the true test. How well adjusted are these kids? lurk Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Ever feel sad or cry for no reason at all? Depression. Narrated by Kate Hudson. http://us.click.yahoo.com/CQDrNC/ubOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fidel Castro and TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Eustace [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Several years ago TMO had considered Fidel Castro the personification of the Invincibility principle, or something like that. It was quite appropriate given the more than 400, if I remember correctly, assassination attempts against his person organized by the CIA and the Miami mafia... Too bad they didn't get him like they did that other mass-murderer Che Guevara. Castro is responsible for about 50,000 deaths and enslaving 11 million Cubans. Anyway, if you do a search on a recent speech he gave: http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/WO0512/S00120.htm you will find that he uses several time the verb meditate, once meditation, and once transcendental (in a context where the use of the word was kink of artificial and certainly not necessitated). A reasonable explanation would be that the efforts of TMO to reach him had, after all, some effect, at some (conscious or unconscious) level. I think people in the TMO should know about this. I don't think that suggesting that Cuba organize a group of yogic flyers would be such a good idea... It takes a lot of believing for the uninitiated and has not worked even in much richer countries. But Cuba has excellent medicine. Maybe some research project could be proposed that the Cuban doctors would be interested to participate in or carry out... It would be great if they would couple their El pueblo/ unido/ jamas sera vencido! (The people united will never be defeated) with Yogastah kuru karmani. JGD, Eustace Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Ever feel sad or cry for no reason at all? Depression. Narrated by Kate Hudson. http://us.click.yahoo.com/YbEMxA/ubOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Emotional Healing'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The Shiva Sutras Just happened to find a PDFile of Shiva-suutras on my Desktop. Suutra I 18 might refer to (bidirectional)M-effect: lokaanandaH samaadhi-sukham (his bliss of samaadhi is [a cause of?] happiness of the world - or vice versa: in Sanskrit word order is rather free, so both samaadhi-sukham and lokaanandaH can be considered the subject or topic, or whatever). Well that is heartening to hear. It isn't something I really ever think about, because I am never aware of it- this bidirectional effect of enlightenment. It makes sense though, that as we realize the world and ourselves as One, that all of those false boundaries between us and 'them' are dissolved, and in a profound way, service to the world is rendered; the world is more easily able to know itslef and thus more easily fulfill its purpose. That must account for all the 'support of Nature' we experience after enlightenment. As you sow, etc. Though as I said I rarely if ever give it a second thought. Perhaps the elimination of boundaries renders the world as were are to such an extent it is seamless. I was buying chocolates in a chocolate store today and I remarked to the woman behind the counter that the store smelled so good. Then I asked her if she could smell it after being there all day, and she said no. Then she added that even when she gets there in the morning and walks in, it no longer smells like chocolate. Same thing. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/hemMeA/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fidel Castro and TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Eustace [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Several years ago TMO had considered Fidel Castro the personification of the Invincibility principle, or something like that. It was quite appropriate given the more than 400, if I remember correctly, assassination attempts against his person organized by the CIA and the Miami mafia... Too bad they didn't get him like they did that other mass-murderer Che Guevara. Castro is responsible for about 50,000 deaths and enslaving 11 million Cubans. So, about the same as some of our recent Presidents? Johnson with his ~73,000 Vietnam War dead (American deaths only) came to mind. Though I don't recall specifically the dictators he supported under his administration so I can't correlate the 11 million enslaved. And Bush the first killed roughly 100,000 Iraqis during the first war, and then allowed Sadaam to remain in power, enslaving roughly 25 million. Oh, and Reagan propped up quite a few central american dictatorships during his terms, easily surpassing the '11 million enslaved' number. Damn, you're making Castro out to be some kind of wimp or something! No wonder we hate him so much, he doesn't even kick ass like we do! And so un-American of him to unilaterally kick out the US corporations and Mafia who were actually enslaving his country. Bastard! At least he could've allowed them by proxy as Sadaam and the South African apartheid governments did! Geez! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Ever feel sad or cry for no reason at all? Depression. Narrated by Kate Hudson. http://us.click.yahoo.com/YbEMxA/ubOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] MSAE record, was Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
on 12/9/05 7:07 PM, lurkernomore20002000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, it's not changed. Although the brutally cynical posters on this board will never acknowledge it, MSAE has a remarkable record of significant achievement. See the list compiled below, which I have taken from the MSAE website. Okay, maybe I'm shooting from the hip cause I'm jumping in on this thread, but is it so difficult to train or inspire kids to be high achievers? I always had the impression that MSAE and the MIU community had something to prove with MSAE. That even though we were fringe, we could out-achieve, out-perform the traditional segment. And that this was a kind of mission. Here's the true test. How well adjusted are these kids? Compared to kids in general? I guess you'd have to collect honest data on drug use, arrest records, sexually transmitted diseases, etc., presuming those indicate poor adjustment, as well as positive measures, and compare them with the larger population of kids of similar socio-economic status. My guess is that there wouldn't be a dramatic discrepancy, but I may be wrong. I was still high school age when I learned TM and it had a tremendously healing influence. It amazes me that kids who grew up meditating would still enjoy drugs and not find their effect distasteful. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Drugs Don't Discriminate. Get help for yourself or someone you know. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0I.OUB/ZbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] MSAE record, was Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
Can't you read? I gave you an example of one success (one out of many, I might add) but you're incapable of seeing it, which pretty much proves my point about where you're coming from. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 9, 2005, at 6:14 PM, feste37 wrote: You are so intent on denigrating the achievements of others that you can see nothing but faults and failures. Successes should also be acknowledged, in my view. I agree. Got any? I mean real ones, with specifics. That doesn't mean that the school is perfect, or without serious problems, but its successes are undeniable to any reasonable observer. Really? Is that why, with a few exceptions, most parents take their kids out at some point, usually for at least a year or two if not several. Nor are these successes all in the past. If you were to look at the University Report, 2004-05, you would see full details of awards won, with names of competitions and students. (I don't think it's available online; How convenient. it's sent to donors.) Here's just one example: Maharishi School students won more first- and second-place awards than any other school in the world at the Destination ImagiNation world competition held in Knoxville, Tennessee. I don't expect to convince you of the merits of the school, nor do I care to, since you appear to be more interested in venting your anger and cynicism than in pursuing the truth, but I hope there are others on this forum who are capable of reaching more accurate, balanced and informed conclusions than you are. Doubtful. :) Sal Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/HcoraC/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hagelin sez 2000 student university in DC immediately
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: we are immediately establishing a group of 2,000 meditating students in Washington, D.C., http://www.globalgoodnews.com/world-peace-a.html?art=11339834121142172 TMO-speak for wouldn't it be nice if...? (as he detects the subtle fragrance of fund raising in the air...) It may be TM speak for, show me the money. Or maybe they're figuring up the proceeds from all those trademark infringment cases ;-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Need Help? Get Help! Tools and Strategies for Healthy Drug-Free Living/a. http://us.click.yahoo.com/wI.OUB/dbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hagelin sez 2000 student university in DC immediately
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: we are immediately establishing a group of 2,000 meditating students in Washington, D.C., http://www.globalgoodnews.com/world-peace-a.html? art=11339834121142172 TMO-speak for wouldn't it be nice if...? (as he detects the subtle fragrance of fund raising in the air...) It may be TM speak for, show me the money. Or maybe they're figuring up the proceeds from all those trademark infringment cases ;-) The TMO will never see any money from infringment cases, but lawyers agree that you have to protect your trademark even when it seems silly: http://abcnews.go.com/2020/GiveMeABreak/story?id=1390867 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/HcoraC/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Emotional Healing'
Dr Pete: writes The Shiva Sutras have a sloka(?) that specifically states that you become realized only through your own effort, nothing else. Tom T: from the shiva sutras as posted here two years ago by Michael Goodman Shiva Sutras Translated by Sage Vasugupta First Awakening 1. Universal Consciousness is one's own nature. (Swami Lakshmanjoo: Supreme consciousness is the reality of everything.) 2. Knowing the individual consciousness as one's own nature and not knowing the Universal Consciousness as one's own nature is bondage. (Swami Lakshmanjoo: Knowing differentiatedly is bondage and not knowing undifferentiatedly is bondage.) 3. Differentiated perception and the field of individual activities are also bondage. [Editor's note: #2 #3 seem to refer to rishi, devatta, and chhandas in their non-samhita, differentiated, individual state.] (Swami Lakshmanjoo: Mayiyamala and karmamala are also bondage.) [Mayiyamala = yonivargah, differentiated knowledge, intellectual dis- crimination between pairs of opposites.Karmamala = kalashariram, the embodiment of action as separate action.] 4. This threefold bondage is attributable to and commanded by the Universal Mother while She remains unknown. Hence the field of ignorance comes into existence through Her and not through any other agency. (Swami Lakshmanjoo: The Universal Mother commands this triple knowledge.) 5. To get rid of this triple bondage, such effort constitutes (the) means,which is identical with Bhairava [Lord Shiva]. (Swami Lakshmanjoo: That effort, the flashing forth of active awareness that instantaneously makes universal consciousness shine, is Bhairava.) 6. With deep contemplation on the wheel of energies, the whole differentiated universe comes to an end. [Editor: Transcendental Consciousness.] (Swami Lakshmanjoo: By establishing and meditating on the wheel of energiesthe differentiated universe comes to an end.) 7. Such a yogi, who has accomplished this stage, experiences Turiya (Tran-scendental God Consciousness) in the other three states also - jagrat (wake-fulness), swapna (dream) and sushupti (deep sleep). Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Drugs Don't Discriminate. Get help for yourself or someone you know. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0I.OUB/ZbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] MSAE record, was Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip It amazes me that kids who grew up meditating would still enjoy drugs and not find their effect distasteful. Have kids ever NOT rebelled. I have always enjoyed that quote that talks about kids being disrespectful, eating too fast, rebelling against their parents, and then finding it was attributed to Socrates 2500 yrs. ago. (or whenever his era was) lurk Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Drugs Don't Discriminate. Get help for yourself or someone you know. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0I.OUB/ZbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] HaHo9?
Is Hanuman Hoffman Nine a (former) TMer? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Drugs Don't Discriminate. Get help for yourself or someone you know. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0I.OUB/ZbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
