--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Jan 22, 2006, at 5:20 PM, authfriend wrote:
OK, I've listened to it, and I think you need to
listen to it again. The fallacy Wilber is talking
about doesn't have anything to do with TM's claims.
Perhaps you also
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis
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Tom T:
From the shiva sutras third awakening
24. When a yogi, after developing awareness of God Consciousness,
transcends the state of Turiya, he enters into Transcendental God
Consciousness.
amaanitvamadambhitvamahi.nsaa kShaantiraarjavam.h .
aachaaryopaasanaM shauchaM sthairyamaatmavinigrahaH .. 13\-8..
indriyaartheshhu vairaagyamanaha.nkaara eva cha .
janmamR^ityujaraavyaadhiduHkhadoshhaanudarshanam.h .. 13\-9..
asaktiranabhishhvaN^gaH putradaaragR^ihaadishhu .
nitya.n cha
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--- Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There is a little booklet written by a Finnish
clergyman Raimo Mäkelä.
He has been working for the Finnish Established
Church. The title of
the book would be in
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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The old addage by Nietzsche, Power corrupts and
absolute power corrupts absolutely. I wonder how many
of those who abuse their power by
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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The old addage by Nietzsche, Power corrupts and
absolute
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I would suggest
that in many if not most cases the victim was per-
fectly happy to be lied to as long as they felt more
special than
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I would suggest
that in many if not most cases the victim was per-
fectly happy to be lied to as long as they felt more
special than
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I would suggest
that in many if not most cases the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Are you familiar with the movement's search for the
elusive
substance M and what M. said about it?
Is that the substance that was said to be found
in the bloodstream of TMers and suggested to be
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
2) Those that don't have trust funds or inheritances. And they
are the stereotypical turkey that you describe above.
Well, you
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Jan 22, 2006, at 4:46 PM, authfriend wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Jan 22, 2006, at 2:36 PM, authfriend wrote:
Are you familiar with the movement's search for the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Jan 22, 2006, at 5:20 PM, authfriend wrote:
OK, I've listened to it, and I think you need to
listen to it again. The fallacy Wilber is talking
about doesn't have anything to do with TM's claims.
Perhaps you also
On Jan 23, 2006, at 9:34 AM, authfriend wrote: Well, first, we'd need to know what MMY *actually* said, rather than your version of it. Second, what Wilber was debunking was the idea of creating *electrons* (by which I assume he meant elementary particles generally), not molecules. Molecules
On Jan 23, 2006, at 10:45 AM, authfriend wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 22, 2006, at 5:20 PM, authfriend wrote: OK, I've listened to it, and I think you need to listen to it again. The fallacy Wilber is talking about doesn't have anything to do
BOO-DA-HAH
And you can determine the state of consciousness of the speaker by
how he pronounces Buddha. If he just says BUHDAH -- as he would
BUTTER but with Ds instead of Ts and dropping the R -- then he
is of low consciousness. If he says it with the three syllables
distinctly enunciated
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Jan 22, 2006, at 5:20 PM, authfriend wrote:
OK, I've listened to it, and I think you need to
listen to it again. The fallacy Wilber is
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Jan 23, 2006, at 9:34 AM, authfriend wrote:
Well, first, we'd need to know what MMY *actually*
said, rather than your version of it.
Second, what Wilber was debunking was the idea of
creating *electrons* (by
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Most interesting to me is that this [Hagelin] is one of
the guys who led the charge in ffld in the mid 90s against
other teachers popular in town, writing an editorial in
the local paper saying MMY's teachings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002
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Most interesting to me is that this [Hagelin] is one of
the guys who led the charge in ffld in the mid 90s against
other teachers popular in town, writing an editorial in
the local paper saying MMY's teachings are
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Jan 23, 2006, at 10:45 AM, authfriend wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Jan 22, 2006, at 5:20 PM, authfriend wrote:
OK, I've listened to it, and I think you need to
In a message dated 1/22/06 6:08:22 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
did you
see that special by Barbara Walters on heaven? She interviewed people from
the Muslim faith and evangelical christians and they both thought that
only their group would go to heaven.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
snip
Well, again, we'd need to know what Hagelin actually
*said* in the film, and what Wilber means by *more or
less* every assertion.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Get it now?
We think so. You're still stalking Vaj, right? :-)
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On Jan 23, 2006, at 11:19 AM, authfriend wrote: Again, we'd have to know exactly what MMY said, but it isn't inconceivable he meant the molecules were built from particles that were already available. Finally, at what point did MMY use this notion as a "sales ploy" for TM? Quantum physics is
In a message dated 1/22/06 6:37:14 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Whenever
I meet born-again Christians who start to prostelitize me, I ask them
right up front: Do you believe that unless I accept Jesus Christ as
my personal Lord and Savior that I will rot in
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
With response such as these, why should I waste my time?
A very good question. Ponder it further. :-)
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 1/22/06 4:21:27 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Any U.S. citizen who is low/no income qualifies
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Get it now?
We think so. You're still stalking Vaj, right? :-)
Like I said earlier: You're delusional.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
BOO-DA-HAH
And you can determine the state of consciousness of the speaker by
how he pronounces Buddha. If he just says BUHDAH -- as he would
BUTTER but with Ds instead of Ts and dropping the R -- then he
is of
--- shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
BOO-DA-HAH
And you can determine the state of consciousness of
the speaker by
how he pronounces Buddha. If he just says BUHDAH
-- as he would
BUTTER but with Ds instead of Ts and dropping
the R -- then he
is of low consciousness. If he says
On Jan 23, 2006, at 11:16 AM, markmeredith2002 wrote:A few of the more respected, non-Ramtha scientists in the Bleep distanced themselves from the film after it opened saying their remarks were edited in such a way as to distort their true purport. Hagelin did not distanced himself, in fact he
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Jan 23, 2006, at 11:19 AM, authfriend wrote:
Again, we'd have to know exactly what MMY said, but
it isn't inconceivable he meant the molecules were
built from particles that were already available.
Finally, at what
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
With response such as these, why should I waste my time?
A very good question. Ponder it further. :-)
Translation: Barry doesn't like responding to
--- authfriend wrote:
Indeed. Be interesting to hear from him directly
as to why he did it [touring with the Bleep crowd].
It's surprising to me that
MMY didn't try to stop him from doing it.
A story about John Hagelin touring:
I'm trying to summon a memory of a conversation
with a
His comments are really too absurd to take seriously, but here's a sample of
what MMY has done: developed a technique of meditation and ensured that it
was taught to thousands (millions?) around the globe, had it made a subject
of Western scientific inquiry, founded a fully-accredited
On Jan 23, 2006, at 11:44 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Get it now? We think so. You're still stalking Vaj, right? :-) Now be nice, it's still just typical game playing. She hasn't shown up at my house in months.
To
On Jan 23, 2006, at 12:40 PM, Patrick Gillam wrote:--- authfriend wrote: Indeed. Be interesting to hear from him directly as to why he did it [touring with the "Bleep" crowd]. It's surprising to me that MMY didn't try to stop him from doing it. A story about John Hagelin touring: I'm
Title: Maharishi's forecast for 2006
This may already have been posted:
Maharishi's forecast for 2006
Global Press Conference, 28.12.05
MAHARISHI: I see the destruction of the destroyers
- whatever little they may have remained. I see the
dawn of a new fortune for mankind. I see human race
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip Sad really--such incredible
potential Hagelin had. No guru should be allowed to destroy
someone's
career. snip
And let's please remember that John Hagelin is an adult, and as such,
responsible for his choices. It
On Jan 23, 2006, at 1:17 PM, jim_flanegin wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Sad really--such incredible potential Hagelin had. No guru should be allowed to destroy someone's career. snip And let's please remember that John Hagelin is an adult,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip Sad really--such incredible
potential Hagelin had. No guru should be allowed to destroy
someone's career. snip
And let's please
As a follow-up to my earlier posting on the Proper pronunciation
of 'Buddha' :
With Buddhism, the enlightened pronounce the leader's name with 3
syllables: BOO-DAH-HAH. They go from using two syllables -- BUDD-HA --
to 3.
With TM, the enlightened pronounce the leader's name using only 2
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It would seem he sold his soul for proximity and access.
It certainly wasn't a career move :-).
The term I've heard around the spiritual smorgasbord
is 'attention whore' -- willing to do almost anything
to stay in the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Jan 23, 2006, at 1:17 PM, jim_flanegin wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip Sad really--such incredible
potential Hagelin had. No guru should be allowed to destroy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This may already have been posted:
Maharishi's forecast for 2006
Global Press Conference, 28.12.05
MAHARISHI: I see the destruction of the destroyers
- whatever little they may have remained. I see the
dawn of
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Jan 23, 2006, at 1:17 PM, jim_flanegin wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
snip
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It would seem he sold his soul for proximity and access.
It certainly wasn't a career move :-).
The term I've heard around the spiritual
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Jan 23, 2006, at 1:17 PM, jim_flanegin wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
snip Sad really--such incredible
potential Hagelin had. No guru should be allowed to destroy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As a follow-up to my earlier posting on the Proper pronunciation
of 'Buddha' :
With Buddhism, the enlightened pronounce the leader's name with 3
syllables: BOO-DAH-HAH. They go from using two syllables -- BUDD-
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The lost potential that pisses me off is Doug Henning, a genuinely
gifted creative genius who was a bona fide celebrity influencing
millions of people with his wonderful shows on stage and TV. He
wasted all
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
It would seem he sold his soul for proximity and access.
It
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Yep, pretty silly stuff. Addicted to darshan.
Not so silly if you've been there, done that.
Harder to kick than heroin.
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Mine Eyes have seen the bungling of that stumbling moron Bush;
he has blathered all the drivel that the neo-cons can push;
he has lost sight of all reason 'cause his head is up his tush;
The Doofus marches on.
I have heard him butcher syntax like a kindergarten fool;
There is warranted suspicion
Hilarious and very clever. Finding three rhyming words in English to fit this
format is not an easy thing.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Mine Eyes have seen the bungling of that stumbling moron Bush;
he has blathered all the drivel that the
Vaj wrote:
I wonder if your observation syncs with his
publication of Is Consciousness the Unified Field?
Seems to me that lecture came out some years later.
So, is it the sense of the meeting that consciousness
is *not* the unified field?
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Vaj wrote:
I wonder if your observation syncs with his
publication of Is Consciousness the Unified Field?
Seems to me that lecture came out some years later.
So, is it the sense of the meeting that
On Jan 23, 2006, at 4:20 PM, Patrick Gillam wrote:Vaj wrote: I wonder if your observation syncs with his publication of "Is Consciousness the Unified Field?" Seems to me that lecture came out some years later. So, is it the sense of the meeting that consciousness is *not* the unified
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Jan 23, 2006, at 4:20 PM, Patrick Gillam wrote:
Vaj wrote:
I wonder if your observation syncs with his
publication of Is Consciousness the Unified Field?
Seems to me that lecture came out some years later.
My teacher has decided that since people have an interest in learning to
give shaktipat that he will offer a course on it right here in the US.
We call the technique PowerTouch:
http://powertouchyoga.com/LearnPT.htm
This way you don't have to hassle with visas, foreign air travel and it
can
Do I have to touch others to get the benefits for myself?
Can I just tap my own forehead to get a kundalini rush?
Will I be trained to tell how much kundalini a person can
handle?
When people come to me with their health in jeopardy
because their kundalini is out of control, wil I be
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Vaj wrote:
I wonder if your observation syncs with his
publication of Is Consciousness the Unified Field?
Seems to me
On Jan 23, 2006, at 5:35 PM, Patrick Gillam wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 23, 2006, at 4:20 PM, Patrick Gillam wrote: Vaj wrote: I wonder if your observation syncs with his publication of "Is Consciousness the Unified Field?" Seems to me
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Vaj wrote:
I wonder if your observation syncs
You *could* pay three thousand dollars for this class,
plus maybe a thousand dollars for a hotel, and maybe
five hundred dollars to get to the San Francisco Bay
Area.
Or, you could learn to give diksha from the Sai Maa
master teachers in three hours for 55 dollars.
Or, you can email me and
You may ask those questions of Swami Abhayanand:
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since he is teaching the course.
Patrick Gillam wrote:
Do I have to touch others to get the benefits for myself?
Can I just tap my own forehead to get a kundalini rush?
Will I be trained to tell how much kundalini a person can
On Jan 23, 2006, at 1:52 PM, markmeredith2002 wrote:Maybe his reputation within the theoretical physicists community has been damaged, but is that such a big deal. Hagelin gets paid well, gets lots of attention, esp female, within the movt and now new age circles, gets into flaky films, had TBs
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Being a TMO celebrity would probably be more fun than being a
physicist...esp. with the groupies--young yoginis.
I wonder how much he gets paid?
Three gopis per day. :-)
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--- Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My teacher has decided that since people have an
interest in learning to
give shaktipat that he will offer a course on it
right here in the US.
We call the technique PowerTouch:
http://powertouchyoga.com/LearnPT.htm
This way you don't
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