[FairfieldLife] Re: Female Russian(?) 'taters have...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: ...not-necessarily-so-purdy calves? http://tinyurl.com/ernqs +++ Hey Card, It depends on the particular Russian- Check Valentina Chepiga- Former Ms. Olympia. http://tinyurl.com/g9vn7 Well, rather impressive, but way too much anabolic steroids, or whatever, I'm afraid. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Urdhva-retas?
What kind of negative or annoying side-effects, if any, are typical when one's trying to keep up brahmacarya? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Urdhva-retas?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What kind of negative or annoying side-effects, if any, are typical when one's trying to keep up brahmacarya? Not getting laid? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Female Russian(?) 'taters have...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2001@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: ...not-necessarily-so-purdy calves? http://tinyurl.com/ernqs +++ Hey Card, It depends on the particular Russian- Check Valentina Chepiga- Former Ms. Olympia. http://tinyurl.com/g9vn7 Well, rather impressive, but way too much anabolic steroids, or whatever, I'm afraid. Ouch, I just learned this lady is from my hometown: http://www.physiquewomen.com/Marja/Pics/Marja0002.jpg To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Oneness University
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.onenessuniversity.org/ Copycat To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Oneness University
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: http://www.onenessuniversity.org/ Copycat I agree. Shameless, copying the Buddha like that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nalanda_University To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Urdhva-retas?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What kind of negative or annoying side-effects, if any, are typical when one's trying to keep up brahmacarya? If you are trying to be celebate, its not for you. Sadly, even if you are NOT trying to be celibate, it may not be for you, either... Think: Jon from Garfield... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Oneness University
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz peterklutz@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: http://www.onenessuniversity.org/ Copycat I agree. Shameless, copying the Buddha like that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nalanda_University Buddha visited the site, but historical sources suggest that the university wasn't built til quite a few centuries later... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nalanda_University Nalanda University was established at Nalanda, the area around central Bihar India by the 5th century BCE. The Gautama Buddha is believed to have visited Nalanda and given sermons near the Mango Grove of Pavarika. The word Nalanda literally means the place that confers the lotus. It is one of the first Universities of the world. Nalanda University became an important Buddhist centre of learning, at its peak accommodating up to 10,000 students. According to Tibettan source, Nagarjuna (c. 150 - 250 CE) taught there but historical studies indicate that the university was estatilished much later during the Guputa empire. The Tang Dynasty Chinese pilgrim Xuanzang left detailed accounts of the university in the 7th century To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Uplifting few minutes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 5/24/06 5:34 PM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shirleybrahman shirleybrahman@ wrote: http://youtube.com/watch?v=9lwTAYeyv9Usearch=amma I'll save the other two for later...this one was lovely. Thanks for posting it. And they banned you from the dome from wanting to see her, Rick? Speaks volumes. She gives out mantras and competes for donations. (Their words to another person.) Lot of words like that under the bridge, yup. There's a better video. I'll post it if I find the link. That would be nice. She touch your heart. Ingegerd To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Urdhva-retas?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What kind of negative or annoying side-effects, if any, are typical when one's trying to keep up brahmacarya? I always had my best experiences during meditation when I went through long periods of celibacy. However, I came to the conclusion that it is NOT compatible in our Western society and, indeed, can be dangerous because around every corner is an advertisement or a TV show or a woman dressed in such a way that it entices your energy to go down. So why torture yourself? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Female Russian(?) 'taters have...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2001@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: ...not-necessarily-so-purdy calves? http://tinyurl.com/ernqs +++ Hey Card, It depends on the particular Russian- Check Valentina Chepiga- Former Ms. Olympia. http://tinyurl.com/g9vn7 Well, rather impressive, but way too much anabolic steroids, or whatever, I'm afraid. Ouch, I just learned this lady is from my hometown: http://www.physiquewomen.com/Marja/Pics/Marja0002.jpg +++ There is your chance to tell her you don't approve-(start an argument). N. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] CC
On May 24, 2006, at 6:38 PM, Vaj wrote: Well first a quick list of attributes that MMY has at times associated with CC over the years. Some may not have heard him say all of these (and some of those were never around him so, that makes sense.) This is off the top of my head. I am sure there are more. 1) Consciousness aware it Itself 24/7. 2) Strong experiences don't stick (Stick through air) Yes this is a biggy, and interestingly somewhat observable to and of others. 3) Clear witnessing during deep sleep. And development of different styles of witness-consciousness. 4) Strong physiological corrleates, such as brain wave coherence 5) Full use of our Mental Potential (the other 90%) 6) Perfect health 7) Ideal social behavior 8) Beyond illusion 9) All seeds of ignorance are roasted Yes, this is actually a well commented on verse in the YS of Patanjali and it highlights the importance of a certain style of samadhi for roasting samskaras and dissolving the kleshas. Samadhi is the smashan (the burning ground). 10) All action in tune with the laws of nature, 11) All action is life-supporting7 12) At home with all Knowlege 13) 24-hour bliss 14) No anger, fear etc. 15) Beyond reincarnation 16) Much refined breath Interestingly, also measurable. 17) Clear Ritam experiences How would you define this. What would be a test for perfect ritam? 18) Clear and consistent siddhis experiences This IME here on this list is a subject that scares some people, but it's well known e.g. the yogic saying 'Mahamudra siddhi (enlightenment) is always accompanied by mundane siddhi, but not the reverse.' It seems that many may somewhat include 1-3 on their lists of attributes when they refer to CC, awakening, enlightenment, but even there, there appear to be disagreements and or apparent disconnects. Starting with 4 and beyond, there is disagreement. Dr.Pete for example, claims CC but refutes that there is any physiology basis to it. (Corrections to POV welcomed.) Others don't seem eager to have their enlightened physiologies tested. Interesting the TMO is now offering enlightenment score cards. 5-14 are disputed. And there appears to be at time some disconnects between these attributes and claimants speech, actions, and views. 17 and 18 are highly disputed by some. Indeed. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Illusionary Awakening
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate no_reply@ wrote: 'the state where all illusions have been dissolved'? Actually I probably call it who gives a sh*t. I don't YOU WV appears to have a hierarchy of states, among them: -- Ignornce -- Awakinging - with illusion -- No Illusions All I [strongly] implied was that I am not much for coming up with a label for 'the state where all illusions have been dissolved'. Some wags, even careful readers, might therefore term your state of Awakening with Illusions as Illusionary Awakening. Ha-Ha! All possibilities, right? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Attributes of Various Enlightenments
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip You appear to be saying: I want to let all of you know that I am a living example that enlightenment can be achieved. Its different than MMY's enlightenment, and I am not going to tell you anything about my enlightenemnt or its attributes. But rest assured, it IS achievable. As I said yesterday: The Self in each of us recognizes the Self in another. We are conscious of this to one degree or another, whether our Self has been fully awakened to us, or not. This is how someone somewhat Awake will recognize another who is fully Awake, and vice versa. There it is in a nutshell. Believe it, call it BS, call it uninspiring, ignore it, do what ever you want with it, or not. And Yes, Enlightenment, Awakening, Self-Realization IS achievable by any one of us. In this lifetime. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Uplifting few minutes
on 5/25/06 3:31 AM, Ingegerd at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 5/24/06 5:34 PM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shirleybrahman shirleybrahman@ wrote: http://youtube.com/watch?v=9lwTAYeyv9Usearch=amma I'll save the other two for later...this one was lovely. Thanks for posting it. And they banned you from the dome from wanting to see her, Rick? Speaks volumes. She gives out mantras and competes for donations. (Their words to another person.) Lot of words like that under the bridge, yup. There's a better video. I'll post it if I find the link. Found it: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-495413429959884q=amma To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Attributes of Various Enlightenments
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate no_reply@ wrote: snip You appear to be saying: I want to let all of you know that I am a living example that enlightenment can be achieved. Its different than MMY's enlightenment, and I am not going to tell you anything about my enlightenemnt or its attributes. But rest assured, it IS achievable. As I said yesterday: The Self in each of us recognizes the Self in another. We are conscious of this to one degree or another, whether our Self has been fully awakened to us, or not. This is how someone somewhat Awake will recognize another who is fully Awake, and vice versa. There it is in a nutshell. Believe it, call it BS, call it uninspiring, ignore it, do what ever you want with it, or not. And Yes, Enlightenment, Awakening, Self-Realization IS achievable by any one of us. In this lifetime. Thats it!? That is your sole criteria and attribute? That someone else who you think is enlightened says you are enlightened? We clearly are opening a new page in the Attributes of Various Enlighenment book. I have never heard of a tradition, or a spontaneous new-age-advaita group claim such. No attributes of Consciousness knowing Itself, no witnessing sleep, no physiological refinement, no better health, no improved behavior, no spontaneous abilities, etc. Just mutual affirmations by two people desperately seeking enlightenment. Sort of a Mutual Adoration Society of Enlightenment (MASE) With Illusions. Illusionary Mutual Adoration Society of Enlightenment (IMASE) I have to commend you -- to me its both phenomenal and quite ballsy that you claim such a mutual, possibly codependence, pact to be enlightnement. It raises questions. What if someone who you saw was enlightened and who you saw you as enlightened, was later determined not to be enlightened by a group who all saw each other as enlightened. (Stranger things have happend ) What would that do to your enlightenment? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Comparing meditation practices
Forgive me if these links have already appeared here. And the TM faithful may have seen them already elsewhere. But here you go anyway. The first is a presentation Fred Travis gave at the Science of Consciousness conference in Tucson, Arizona, in April of 2006. Are all meditations the same? http://tinyurl.com/kmmpt It starts out like this: The idea for this talk came when I was reviewing a grant to fund the application of Mindfulness Meditation to deal with pain in terminally ill cancer patients. In the rationale section, the author had 60 citations to support the use of mindfulness meditation in this grant. However, 60% of these references were for studies that used the Transcendental Meditation technique as the meditation intervention. Was the author being scientifically dishonest? I don't think so. Many individuals think that all meditations are the same. Thus, many people feel that scientific research using one meditation tradition can generalize to effects from any meditation practice. David Orme-Johnson addresses the issue here: Comparison of Techniques http://tinyurl.com/m3ldr David O-J says, There are many systems of meditation that widely differ from one another in their procedures, contents, objects, beliefs, and goals. Given these differences, it is not surprising that research has shown they have different subjective and objective effects. David O-J also addresses the issue as to whether TM produces any harm. http://tinyurl.com/jp4pd Apparently Jonathan Shear has a book out. David O-J cites it. Shear addresses the issue as well. The Experience of Meditation: Experts Introduce the Major Traditions http://tinyurl.com/lb3tm One common misconception, often found in popular books and articles, and even sometimes in textbooks and research articles, is that all meditation procedures are more or less the same. But this is simply incorrect, for major meditation procedures often differ in important ways. ... Recognizing these differences is thus essential to understanding the procedures themselves. It is also necessary for understanding the significance of the considerable body of research on meditation. This research now clearly shows that different procedures often have very different effects on specific variables. Such differences should not be unexpected, given the differences between the procedures themselves. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] No yellow stars
>From Canada's National Post, which first broke the false story about Iran having passed a law requiring Jews to wear yellow badges and other non-Muslim religionists to wear similar identifying insignia: Our mistake: Note to readers Last Friday, the National Post ran a story prominently on the front page alleging that the Iranian parliament had passed a law that, if enacted, would require Jews and other religious minorities in Iran to wear badges that would identify them as such in public. It is now clear the story is not true. Given the seriousness of the error, I felt it necessary to explain to our readers how this happened. http://tinyurl.com/qzjrs The rest of the column, by editor-in-chief Bill Kelly, is behind a subscription wall, but here's a quote from it: We acknowledge that on this story, we did not exercise sufficient caution and skepticism, and we did not check with enough sources. We should have pushed the sources we did have for more corroboration of the information they were giving us. That is not to say that we ignored basic journalistic practices or that we rushed this story into print with no thought as to the consequences. But given the seriousness of the allegations, more was required. We apologize for the mistake and for the consternation it has caused not just National Post readers, but the broader public who read the story. We take this incident very seriously, and we are examining our procedures to try to ensure such an error does not happen again. Via Antonia Zerbisia in the Toronto Star's Azerbic blog, which has much more on the story of the bogus report, including about the political sympathies and connections of the media outlets that promoted the report: http://thestar.blogs.com/azerb/2006/05/today_on_page_a.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Attributes of Various Enlightenments
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ As I said yesterday: The Self in each of us recognizes the Self in another. We are conscious of this to one degree or another, whether our Self has been fully awakened to us, or not. This is how someone somewhat Awake will recognize another who is fully Awake, and vice versa. There it is in a nutshell. Believe it, call it BS, call it uninspiring, ignore it, do what ever you want with it, or not. And Yes, Enlightenment, Awakening, Self-Realization IS achievable by any one of us. In this lifetime. Thats it!? That is your sole criteria and attribute? That someone else who you think is enlightened says you are enlightened? We clearly are opening a new page in the Attributes of Various Enlighenment book. I have never heard of a tradition, or a spontaneous new-age-advaita group claim such. No attributes of Consciousness knowing Itself, no witnessing sleep, no physiological refinement, no better health, no improved behavior, no spontaneous abilities, etc. Just mutual affirmations by two people desperately seeking enlightenment. Sort of a Mutual Adoration Society of Enlightenment (MASE) With Illusions. Illusionary Mutual Adoration Society of Enlightenment (IMASE) I have to commend you -- to me its both phenomenal and quite ballsy that you claim such a mutual, possibly codependence, pact to be enlightnement. It raises questions. What if someone who you saw was enlightened and who you saw you as enlightened, was later determined not to be enlightened by a group who all saw each other as enlightened. (Stranger things have happend ) What would that do to your enlightenment? With some reflection, I sort of like your approach Jim. It might be termed, Minimilist Enlightenment. ME for short. It reminds me of a popular book of the late 60's I'm OK, You're OK Translated to today: I'm Enlightened, You're Enlightened. We could set up a web site / chat forum / MySpace group etc. called I'm Enlightened, You're Enlightened to facilitate this. One would send out invites to friends or likely looking candidates (a MySpace group would be good for this saying: I think you are Enlightened. Do you think I am Enlightened? If so, wanna join this cool new group of enlightened people? We talk about enlightened things and dwell on on enlightened we all are. Of course some might abuse this by using it as a tool to pick-up women (hmmm, why does Turq's name come to mind ? :) ). Scanning MySpace profiles a rogue might send out notes to attractive women, Hey I really think you are Enlightened. Wanna get together over coffee and talk about it, yoga, union, infinite love, and shiva lingums? And it all could devolve to code like the MIU code she is strong in the knowledge. Guys walking down Santa Monica Blvd on a sunny spring day, wow, get a load of that. She is like 'SO Enlightened'. I'm OK, You're OK was actually a 2x2 matrix, giving rise to four states. I'm OK, You're OK I'm OK, You're Not OK I'm Not OK, You're OK I'm Not OK, You're Not OK Building on that, we could have four different groups: I'm Enlightened, You're Enlightened I'm Enlightened, You're Not Enlightened I'm Not Enlightened, You're Enlightened I'm Not Enlightened, You're Not Enlightened Number two would be a popular group for some. All of this does inspire the thought of another group: I Don't Care About Labels such as Enlightenment, Simply Show Me Some Nice Spiritual Qualities To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] CC
--- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 3) Clear witnessing during deep sleep. And development of different styles of witness-consciousness. Are these different styles talked about in buddist literature? I'd love to read some of these descriptions. I've always found the term witnessing to be an odd choice of word because it implies a relationship between a subject and an object. But if there is no subject to witness or not witness there is no relationship and thus no witnessing. 4) Strong physiological corrleates, such as brain wave coherence Yes, correlates that are created by a mind sitting in That. Not brain functiuoning producing That. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Comparing meditation practices
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Forgive me if these links have already appeared here. And the TM faithful may have seen them already elsewhere. But here you go anyway. The first is a presentation Fred Travis gave at the Science of Consciousness conference in Tucson, Arizona, in April of 2006. Are all meditations the same? http://tinyurl.com/kmmpt It starts out like this: Thanks for the url. I'd heard mention of Fred's talk, but hadn't seen details. My quick and dirty comparison of a few recently published studies on various meditation practices certainly verified what Fred says. He's got a url on his MUM brain research website to an independent article on this subject that discusses the EEG differences of various meditation practices in great detail. I spoke to Fred yesterday. If I can figure out how, I may be helping to produce 3D animated models of brain activity during transcending during TM based on the EEG and other data they have at MUM. Will be a lot of fun if all goes well. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: CC
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 3) Clear witnessing during deep sleep. And development of different styles of witness-consciousness. Are these different styles talked about in buddist literature? I'd love to read some of these descriptions. I've always found the term witnessing to be an odd choice of word because it implies a relationship between a subject and an object. But if there is no subject to witness or not witness there is no relationship and thus no witnessing. 4) Strong physiological corrleates, such as brain wave coherence Yes, correlates that are created by a mind sitting in That. Not brain functiuoning producing That. How could you know? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Comparing meditation practices
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I spoke to Fred yesterday. If I can figure out how, I may be helping to produce 3D animated models of brain activity during transcending during TM based on the EEG and other data they have at MUM. Will be a lot of fun if all goes well. Cool! Do keep us posted. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Sacrifice Of Wealth Is The Way
Matthew6 : 19 to 22 Do not Lay up for yourselves, treasures on earth. But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven. For where your treasure is there your heart will be also. Matthew -7: 21 Not everyone who say to Me, `Lord, Lord' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but He who does the will of My Father in Heaven. Indians, particularly, are sacrificing words through prayers and feelings through _expression_ of love for the sake of God. When the question of wealth or money comes they sacrifice it for the sake of their families only. This is the reason why India suffers with poverty. Swami Vivekananda wept loudly facing the sky asking; Why India with such high spiritual knowledge is suffering with poverty? The foreigners are not so well in prayers and _expression_ of love or meditation compared to Indians but they sacrifice their money for the sake of God with full vigor. Therefore God blesses the foreign countries with wealth and prosperity. Indians sacrifice words and mind only to God. Therefore Indians are blessed with very good pronunciation of language and excellent knowledge, which are connected to the words and mind. Gita says `Ye Yatha Mam Prapadyante' which means that God gives you result in the same way in which you worship Him. If you worship Him with words (prayers) only He will also appreciate you with sweet words. If you love Him with your mind and concentrate with meditation, He will also love you in turn with high concentration of mind. If you sacrifice practically, He will also do everything to you practically. Indians must learn this practical sacrifice from foreigners as they have learnt the science and technology from the West. Even in the olden days, Indians were always doing exercises in theoretical knowledge of God and in composing lot of poems on God. Therefore the same attitude entered even their education of science. They have become theorists even in science. The foreigners were less theoretical and more practical in spiritual things and therefore that attitude entered their scientific education also and the foreigners have become the real practical scientists. Let Indians not be proud that they are the masters in the spiritualism if not in science. Though I am born in India, I deny this. The Indians should follow the foreigners not only in science but also in spiritualism by learning the practical aspect of the materialistic as well as divine knowledge. Today, in the world everybody agrees that the real power is the money only. Money is the fruit of work and Bhagavatgita calls sacrifice of money Karma Phala Tyaga. In Bhagavatgita it is said Dhyanat Karma Phala Tyagah which means that devotion is greater than Knowledge and sacrifice of the fruit of the work (money) is greater than the devotion. Knowledge consists of intelligence and words. Devotion consists of mind and words. Sacrifice consists of heart and love. The proof of the love is the practical service, which is the practical sacrifice of work or money. For the propagation of the divine knowledge and devotion the money is needed to publish the gospel in the form of books. When you sacrifice your money for the divine work your treasure in the heaven is built up. This means that God will help you after your death and you will enter the kingdom of God. You are giving your earnings to your family only and so your real love is on your family only. There is no need of any further argument on this point because it is very clear proof. This is the real fire test for your love. You are sacrificing valueless words and valueless mind in leisure, which is valueless time. This cannot prove the real value of God. You must give real value to God. You are finishing your prayers and meditation on God as soon as the time to go to job is nearing. Similarly when some work for the family is approaching, you are immediately leaving the presence of God. Therefore you are not giving any value to God for all practical purpose. But you are telling lies in your prayers that God is everything for you. The money is the final test and it can be the only test also since all the family is associated with you for money only and the family serves you in your old age for your money only. If the money is sacrificed to God your real color of love can be seen. at the lotus feet of shri datta swami surya www.universal-spirituality.org To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject
[FairfieldLife] Re: Attributes of Various Enlightenments
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I'm OK, You're OK was actually a 2x2 matrix, giving rise to four states. I'm OK, You're OK I'm OK, You're Not OK I'm Not OK, You're OK I'm Not OK, You're Not OK The late Rev. William Sloane Coffin had an additional state representative of the Christian outlook, but possibly adaptable to the enlightenment context: I'm not OK, you're not OK, and that's OK. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Attributes of Various Enlightenments
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate no_reply@ wrote: snip I'm OK, You're OK was actually a 2x2 matrix, giving rise to four states. I'm OK, You're OK I'm OK, You're Not OK I'm Not OK, You're OK I'm Not OK, You're Not OK The late Rev. William Sloane Coffin had an additional state representative of the Christian outlook, but possibly adaptable to the enlightenment context: I'm not OK, you're not OK, and that's OK. yes, thats nice. Perhaps a parallel way of saying, I am what I am. You are what you are. Everything is what it is. I accept What Is. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Comparing meditation practices
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: snip I spoke to Fred yesterday. If I can figure out how, I may be helping to produce 3D animated models of brain activity during transcending during TM based on the EEG and other data they have at MUM. Will be a lot of fun if all goes well. Cool! Do keep us posted. Will do. The most trivial way to do it should be pretty straight forward: just take the EEG data and instead of drawing lines on a top-down image of the brain between the various EEG electrode points, draw them along the surface of a generic 3D brain model between the points. I think most 3D modeling packages have built-in routines to calculate paths like this. I saw a presentation on TM and ADHD of one of the 2D projections that included color and intensity information to define the power and coherence (I think), with a separate diagram for each frequency. It should be easy enough to do the same with the 3D version. More complicated strategies exist that try to actually recreate a model of the brain activity based on the EEG info. They call it inverse EEG modeling and its HARD, and mathematically impossible to guarantee an accurate model. I'll probably stay away from that kind of thing unless they actually HIRE me to do the images rather than just play around for free since the math looks like its 2-3 years beyond what I currently know. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Sacrifice Of Wealth Is The Way
Thank you and goodnight. --- surya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matthew6 : 19 to 22 Do not Lay up for yourselves, treasures on earth. But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven. For where your treasure is there your heart will be also. Matthew -7: 21 Not everyone who say to Me, `Lord, Lord' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but He who does the will of My Father in Heaven. Indians, particularly, are sacrificing words through prayers and feelings through _expression_ of love for the sake of God. When the question of wealth or money comes they sacrifice it for the sake of their families only. This is the reason why India suffers with poverty. Swami Vivekananda wept loudly facing the sky asking; Why India with such high spiritual knowledge is suffering with poverty? The foreigners are not so well in prayers and _expression_ of love or meditation compared to Indians but they sacrifice their money for the sake of God with full vigor. Therefore God blesses the foreign countries with wealth and prosperity. Indians sacrifice words and mind only to God. Therefore Indians are blessed with very good pronunciation of language and excellent knowledge, which are connected to the words and mind. Gita says `Ye Yatha Mam Prapadyante' which means that God gives you result in the same way in which you worship Him. If you worship Him with words (prayers) only He will also appreciate you with sweet words. If you love Him with your mind and concentrate with meditation, He will also love you in turn with high concentration of mind. If you sacrifice practically, He will also do everything to you practically. Indians must learn this practical sacrifice from foreigners as they have learnt the science and technology from the West. Even in the olden days, Indians were always doing exercises in theoretical knowledge of God and in composing lot of poems on God. Therefore the same attitude entered even their education of science. They have become theorists even in science. The foreigners were less theoretical and more practical in spiritual things and therefore that attitude entered their scientific education also and the foreigners have become the real practical scientists. Let Indians not be proud that they are the masters in the spiritualism if not in science. Though I am born in India, I deny this. The Indians should follow the foreigners not only in science but also in spiritualism by learning the practical aspect of the materialistic as well as divine knowledge. Today, in the world everybody agrees that the real power is the money only. Money is the fruit of work and Bhagavatgita calls sacrifice of money Karma Phala Tyaga. In Bhagavatgita it is said Dhyanat Karma Phala Tyagah which means that devotion is greater than Knowledge and sacrifice of the fruit of the work (money) is greater than the devotion. Knowledge consists of intelligence and words. Devotion consists of mind and words. Sacrifice consists of heart and love. The proof of the love is the practical service, which is the practical sacrifice of work or money. For the propagation of the divine knowledge and devotion the money is needed to publish the gospel in the form of books. When you sacrifice your money for the divine work your treasure in the heaven is built up. This means that God will help you after your death and you will enter the kingdom of God. You are giving your earnings to your family only and so your real love is on your family only. There is no need of any further argument on this point because it is very clear proof. This is the real fire test for your love. You are sacrificing valueless words and valueless mind in leisure, which is valueless time. This cannot prove the real value of God. You must give real value to God. You are finishing your prayers and meditation on God as soon as the time to go to job is nearing. Similarly when some work for the family is approaching, you are immediately leaving the presence of God. Therefore you are not giving any value to God for all practical purpose. But you are telling lies in your prayers that God is everything for you. The money is the final test and it can be the only test also since all the family is associated with you for money only and the family serves you in your old age for your money only. If the money is sacrificed to God your real color of love can be seen. at the lotus feet of shri datta swami surya www.universal-spirituality.org Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- You can search right from your browser? It's easy and it's free. See how. http://us.click.yahoo.com/_7bhrC/NGxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: CC
--- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 3) Clear witnessing during deep sleep. And development of different styles of witness-consciousness. Are these different styles talked about in buddist literature? I'd love to read some of these descriptions. I've always found the term witnessing to be an odd choice of word because it implies a relationship between a subject and an object. But if there is no subject to witness or not witness there is no relationship and thus no witnessing. 4) Strong physiological corrleates, such as brain wave coherence Yes, correlates that are created by a mind sitting in That. Not brain functiuoning producing That. How could you know? Self-evident. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- You can search right from your browser? It's easy and it's free. See how. http://us.click.yahoo.com/_7bhrC/NGxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] CC
On May 25, 2006, at 12:11 PM, Peter wrote: --- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 3) Clear witnessing during deep sleep. And development of different styles of witness-consciousness. Are these different styles talked about in buddist literature? I'd love to read some of these descriptions. I've always found the term witnessing to be an odd choice of word because it implies a relationship between a subject and an object. But if there is no subject to witness or not witness there is no relationship and thus no witnessing. No I was referring to Shankara and the post-Shankara Advaita sages. Some of the most beautiful descriptions of witness-consciousness are in the panchadasi of Vidyaranya, who also wrote the definitive text on CC and UC the jivan-mukti-viveka (still used by the Holy Shankaracharya Order). Both of these texts are available in online versions. You can also find these descriptions in Buddhist practice, however only the lower 8 vehicles recognize a species of witness consciousness, where the Non-Dual non-vehicle of Dzogchen considers it a type of Clear Light meditation which is continuous through day and night. You might also enjoy The Disinterested Witness : A Fragment of Advaita Vedanta Phenomenology by Bina Gupta which is a detailed overview of how this was developed and it's extent. It quotes many rare texts which are not in general circulation. It may be rather heavy reading for some but it is quite exhaustive. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] CC
On May 25, 2006, at 1:00 PM, Vaj wrote: Some of the most beautiful descriptions of witness-consciousness are in the panchadasi of Vidyaranya, who also wrote the definitive text on CC and UC the jivan-mukti-viveka (still used by the Holy Shankaracharya Order). Both of these texts are available in online versions. A nice online version of the panchadasi is at: http://www.swami-krishnananda.org/panch/panch_pre.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Urdhva-retas?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: What kind of negative or annoying side-effects, if any, are typical when one's trying to keep up brahmacarya? I always had my best experiences during meditation when I went through long periods of celibacy. However, I came to the conclusion that it is NOT compatible in our Western society and, indeed, can be dangerous because around every corner is an advertisement or a TV show or a woman dressed in such a way that it entices your energy to go down. So why torture yourself? I seem to recall one of Krishna's criteria for a true yogii/yoginii is that s/he is jitendri-yaH/-yaa (jita + indriya-). I guess that means that one has to have conquered the indriyas. I think johnson is one of the karmendriyas (karma + indriyas), so if one is not able to spank the monkey, and so on :0 To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Urdhva-retas?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: What kind of negative or annoying side-effects, if any, are typical when one's trying to keep up brahmacarya? I always had my best experiences during meditation when I went through long periods of celibacy. However, I came to the conclusion that it is NOT compatible in our Western society and, indeed, can be dangerous because around every corner is an advertisement or a TV show or a woman dressed in such a way that it entices your energy to go down. So why torture yourself? I seem to recall one of Krishna's criteria for a true yogii/yoginii is that s/he is jitendri-yaH/-yaa (jita + indriya-). I guess that means that one has to have conquered the indriyas. I think johnson is one of the karmendriyas (karma + indriyas), so if one is not able to spank the monkey, and so on :0 And I have seen Urdhva-retas (sp) mentioned on for accomplished (aka awakened) yogis-- energy always flowing upwards. I suspect that accomplished yogis can keep the energy always flowing upwards while having sex. Something students can't do. Thus the recommendation / stipulation of celibacy for students. The article(s) on Muktananda provided some fuel for speculation in this direction -- that is, yogi sex is not what most people think of as sex. That is, he had sex with a flacid penis. And accomplished tantrics appear to be able to do special, unusual and fantastic things with energy during sex -- which may not involve energy release or downward flow. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Comparing meditation practices
An interesting remark by David Orme-Johnson: Over the 40 years that I've been interested in self-development, *I've tried most of the meditation and relaxation techniques that are out there* (emphasis added). In my experience none of them do what Transcendental Meditation does. http://tinyurl.com/foyzs I guess I had always thought of other practices as being strictly off limits to MIU faculty. It makes sense that an investigator would try them out. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Urdhva-retas?
on 5/25/06 1:07 PM, new_morning_blank_slate at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I seem to recall one of Krishna's criteria for a true yogii/yoginii is that s/he is jitendri-yaH/-yaa (jita + indriya-). I guess that means that one has to have conquered the indriyas. I think johnson is one of the karmendriyas (karma + indriyas), so if one is not able to spank the monkey, and so on :0 And I have seen Urdhva-retas (sp) mentioned on for accomplished (aka awakened) yogis-- energy always flowing upwards. I suspect that accomplished yogis can keep the energy always flowing upwards while having sex. Something students can't do. Thus the recommendation / stipulation of celibacy for students. The article(s) on Muktananda provided some fuel for speculation in this direction -- that is, yogi sex is not what most people think of as sex. That is, he had sex with a flacid penis. But another well-known guru allegedly didn't, and also allegedly ejaculated. Can you ejaculate and yet have the energy always flowing upwards? I honestly don't know. Just asking. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Comparing meditation practices
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An interesting remark by David Orme-Johnson: Over the 40 years that I've been interested in self-development, *I've tried most of the meditation and relaxation techniques that are out there* (emphasis added). In my experience none of them do what Transcendental Meditation does. http://tinyurl.com/foyzs I guess I had always thought of other practices as being strictly off limits to MIU faculty. It makes sense that an investigator would try them out. I wonder how long he did them? One day? One week? Does evaluating TM for a day or week give a comprehensive take on it? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Urdhva-retas?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ I seem to recall one of Krishna's criteria for a true yogii/yoginii is that s/he is jitendri-yaH/-yaa (jita + indriya-). I guess that means that one has to have conquered the indriyas. I think johnson is one of the karmendriyas (karma + indriyas), so if one is not able to spank the monkey, and so on :0 And I have seen Urdhva-retas (sp) mentioned on for accomplished (aka awakened) yogis-- energy always flowing upwards. I suspect that accomplished yogis can keep the energy always flowing upwards while having sex. Something students can't do. Thus the recommendation / stipulation of celibacy for students. The article(s) on Muktananda provided some fuel for speculation in this direction -- that is, yogi sex is not what most people think of as sex. That is, he had sex with a flacid penis. And accomplished tantrics appear to be able to do special, unusual and fantastic things with energy during sex -- which may not involve energy release or downward flow. Could be added to the Rogue Yogi's Book of Pick-up Lines My energy is always flow-upwards. Even sex does not effect this. Care to have me prove it? Later ... (Damn baby, this is the FIRST time the energy has changed directions and went downwards-- and out. Well it must be because you are so beautiful and spiritual.) OR My energy is always flow-upwards. Even sex does not effect its upward flow. You look so spiritual. I bet the same is true for you. Really? (giggle) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: CC
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: [new_morning wrote:] 4) Strong physiological corrleates, such as brain wave coherence Yes, correlates that are created by a mind sitting in That. Not brain functiuoning producing That. How could you know? Self-evident. The term self-evident is slippery and used in more than one sense. You may mean Self-evident (as opposed to self-evident), in which case it would be less ambiguous. It doesn't necessarily always mean obvious to all, which is how it's frequently used. See this-- http://tinyurl.com/j5zpj --for a fascinating analysis of the various meanings of the term, focusing on its use in the Declaration of Independence We hold these truths to be self-evident...). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Urdhva-retas?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 5/25/06 1:07 PM, new_morning_blank_slate at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I seem to recall one of Krishna's criteria for a true yogii/yoginii is that s/he is jitendri-yaH/-yaa (jita + indriya-). I guess that means that one has to have conquered the indriyas. I think johnson is one of the karmendriyas (karma + indriyas), so if one is not able to spank the monkey, and so on :0 And I have seen Urdhva-retas (sp) mentioned on for accomplished (aka awakened) yogis-- energy always flowing upwards. I suspect that accomplished yogis can keep the energy always flowing upwards while having sex. Something students can't do. Thus the recommendation / stipulation of celibacy for students. The article(s) on Muktananda provided some fuel for speculation in this direction -- that is, yogi sex is not what most people think of as sex. That is, he had sex with a flacid penis. But another well-known guru allegedly didn't, and also allegedly ejaculated. Can you ejaculate and yet have the energy always flowing upwards? I honestly don't know. Just asking. Well, if you don't KNOW, you clearly aren't enlightened. :) Lets ask Jim and Dr. Pete their personal experience. :) I think its possible (at least partially) to separate ejaculation and orgasm. And orgasm can be directed and internalized. I am quite open to the possibility, indeed pretty sure, that accomplished yogis and tantrics can do amazing things with energy flows, marmas, chakras, pranas, etc. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Comparing meditation practices
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ wrote: Does evaluating TM for a day or week give a comprehensive take on it? I would say yes, compared to the other techniques I've tried. TM worked instantly and left me in no doubt it was a bit special. Am I an isolated case though? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Comparing meditation practices
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ wrote: An interesting remark by David Orme-Johnson: Over the 40 years that I've been interested in self-development, *I've tried most of the meditation and relaxation techniques that are out there* (emphasis added). In my experience none of them do what Transcendental Meditation does. http://tinyurl.com/foyzs I guess I had always thought of other practices as being strictly off limits to MIU faculty. It makes sense that an investigator would try them out. I wonder how long he did them? One day? One week? Does evaluating TM for a day or week give a comprehensive take on it? How long has he been with TM? If for less than 40 years, maybe he tried them before starting TM? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Comparing meditation practices
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ wrote: An interesting remark by David Orme-Johnson: Over the 40 years that I've been interested in self-development, *I've tried most of the meditation and relaxation techniques that are out there* (emphasis added). In my experience none of them do what Transcendental Meditation does. http://tinyurl.com/foyzs I guess I had always thought of other practices as being strictly off limits to MIU faculty. It makes sense that an investigator would try them out. I wonder how long he did them? One day? One week? Does evaluating TM for a day or week give a comprehensive take on it? How long has he been with TM? If for less than 40 years, maybe he tried them before starting TM? He was at MIU SB mid 73. He had come (perhaps not directly) from Ft. Bliss (for real) in TX doing some TM related studies. So I would guess he was practicing TM at least back to 1970 or so. So 36 years. So you have a point. Interest started 40 years ago. 1966. Low probabilty that he started TM with the LA SIMS or SRM or other fringe crowds in 1966. So he may have had several years of seeking, trying other techniques. But what was (readily) available then was a small slice of what is avalable now. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Comparing meditation practices
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ wrote: Does evaluating TM for a day or week give a comprehensive take on it? I would say yes, compared to the other techniques I've tried. TM worked instantly and left me in no doubt it was a bit special. Am I an isolated case though? I liked it emensely right away also. But I don't think I had a comprehensive view of it in my first week. (I was still trying to wipe that huge grin off my face.) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Comparing meditation practices
On May 25, 2006, at 1:11 PM, Patrick Gillam wrote: An interesting remark by David Orme-Johnson: Over the 40 years that I've been interested in self-development, *I've tried most of the meditation and relaxation techniques that are out there* (emphasis added). In my experience none of them do what Transcendental Meditation does. http://tinyurl.com/foyzs I guess I had always thought of other practices as being strictly off limits to MIU faculty. It makes sense that an investigator would try them out. Maybe he tried them all out during a sabbatical year. Sal To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Urdhva-retas? Yogi sex, yeah right
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 5/25/06 1:07 PM, new_morning_blank_slate at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I seem to recall one of Krishna's criteria for a true yogii/yoginii is that s/he is jitendri-yaH/-yaa (jita + indriya-). I guess that means that one has to have conquered the indriyas. I think johnson is one of the karmendriyas (karma + indriyas), so if one is not able to spank the monkey, and so on :0 And I have seen Urdhva-retas (sp) mentioned on for accomplished (aka awakened) yogis-- energy always flowing upwards. I suspect that accomplished yogis can keep the energy always flowing upwards while having sex. Something students can't do. Thus the recommendation / stipulation of celibacy for students. The article(s) on Muktananda provided some fuel for speculation in this direction -- that is, yogi sex is not what most people think of as sex. That is, he had sex with a flacid penis. Muktananda had sex with underage daughters of close disciples in secret with a heavy amount of intimidation before and afterwards. The young ladies generally report having been freaked out. This is not yogi sex -- it's manipulative immature sex. There are similar reports about L Ron Hubbard, founder of scientology -- exact same type of sex under similar circumstances. I've read commentaries about Hubbard which state it was a way for him to draw energy out of the young woman for his own purposes. IMO, both Hubbard and Muktananda were needing to suck in subtle energy from the outside to maintain whatever powers they had and were losing due to physical/mental deterioration. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Urdhva-retas? Yogi sex, yeah right
If they were having sex with underage women, they should have been sucking in the subtle energy of a state prison. Sal On May 25, 2006, at 1:49 PM, markmeredith2002 wrote: IMO, both Hubbard and Muktananda were needing to suck in subtle energy from the outside to maintain whatever powers they had and were losing due to physical/mental deterioration.
[FairfieldLife] Urdhvareta: some interesting Muktananda quotes
Celibacy is essential for one who claims to be a Guru. Shakti can be transmitted only by a celibate. One who is wasting his semen cannot transmit ShaktiA guru is urdhvareta. The flow of his semen is directed upwards. Even when he is in the midst of young beautiful girls his semen does not start flowing downwards. -- Satsang with Baba, volume II, page 197 The fluids of men and women are different. In our scriptures man's fluid is called virya. There is a different word for woman's fluid and that is raja virya. But the process of the upward movement of virya or raja virya is the same in man or woman, though the fluid may be different. -- Satsang with Baba, volume II, page 237 The reason I insist on celibacy in the Ashram is so that you will have enough seminal fluid in your body to be able to bear the heat of meditation. I ask good meditators to drink milk and take other foods that generate more semen for the same reason. -- Satsang with Baba, volume II, page 69 ...after one becomes an urdhvareta, an inner kriya takes place, the name of which is vajroli, and the seminal fluid which was previously flowing downwards and being ejected outwards, now rises to the sahasrar. Then even if such a one is with women, his seminal fluid does not flow downwards. -- Satsang with Baba, volume II, page 334 To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Comparing meditation practices
on 5/25/06 1:24 PM, hugheshugo at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ wrote: Does evaluating TM for a day or week give a comprehensive take on it? I would say yes, compared to the other techniques I've tried. TM worked instantly and left me in no doubt it was a bit special. Am I an isolated case though? That was my experience, but I hadn't tried anything else. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Comparing meditation practices
on 5/25/06 1:11 PM, Patrick Gillam at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An interesting remark by David Orme-Johnson: Over the 40 years that I've been interested in self-development, *I've tried most of the meditation and relaxation techniques that are out there* (emphasis added). In my experience none of them do what Transcendental Meditation does. http://tinyurl.com/foyzs I guess I had always thought of other practices as being strictly off limits to MIU faculty. It makes sense that an investigator would try them out. I don't believe him. I think he's lying to sound objective. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: No yellow stars
The poor put-upon Iranian leadership and parliament. Wa-wa-wa. How could the evil West ever have done such an injustice to them? Of course, leave it to that other Bully Incarnate -- Billie Batts -- to be the first out of the starting gate to defend these promoters of mass-murder and terrorism. Billie, you really should educate what happened to the millions of Iraqis and Iranians who died under the leadership of both the Ayatollah Khumeini (who sent tens of thousands of 12-year-old boys to Paraside) and Saddam Hussein (whose unmentionable atrocities to both his own people and the Iranians are too numerous to list here). And maybe -- just maybe -- you can sublimate some of that self- righteous anger you so obviously have for this journalistic mistake to those millions of victims. Yes, this report was a mistake. But as I wrote previously, where there's smoke, there's fire. And the National Post was mistakenly quick off the starting block because they were dealing with a rogue nation that has a horrible human rights record and it seemed plausible on first reports that it was true. It turned out NOT to be true. BUT because of whom we're dealing with it was ENTIRELY plausible that it were true. Personally, I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that given his druthers, that the President of Iran would, indeed, not only require Christians and Jews to wear badges but insist upon executing each and every one of them. So, Billie, get off your high-fucking-horse and get some perspective. And here's a daily aphorism for you: think about your priorities the next time you express your eagerness to defend mass- murdering totalitarians and terrorists. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From Canada's National Post, which first broke the false story about Iran having passed a law requiring Jews to wear yellow badges and other non-Muslim religionists to wear similar identifying insignia: Our mistake: Note to readers Last Friday, the National Post ran a story prominently on the front page alleging that the Iranian parliament had passed a law that, if enacted, would require Jews and other religious minorities in Iran to wear badges that would identify them as such in public. It is now clear the story is not true. Given the seriousness of the error, I felt it necessary to explain to our readers how this happened. http://tinyurl.com/qzjrs The rest of the column, by editor-in-chief Bill Kelly, is behind a subscription wall, but here's a quote from it: We acknowledge that on this story, we did not exercise sufficient caution and skepticism, and we did not check with enough sources. We should have pushed the sources we did have for more corroboration of the information they were giving us. That is not to say that we ignored basic journalistic practices or that we rushed this story into print with no thought as to the consequences. But given the seriousness of the allegations, more was required. We apologize for the mistake and for the consternation it has caused not just National Post readers, but the broader public who read the story. We take this incident very seriously, and we are examining our procedures to try to ensure such an error does not happen again. Via Antonia Zerbisia in the Toronto Star's Azerbic blog, which has much more on the story of the bogus report, including about the political sympathies and connections of the media outlets that promoted the report: http://thestar.blogs.com/azerb/2006/05/today_on_page_a.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Urdhva-retas? Yogi sex, yeah right
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Muktananda had sex with underage daughters of close disciples in secret with a heavy amount of intimidation before and afterwards. Clearly you are not suggesting that he exclusively had sex with the above. The young ladies generally report having been freaked out. This is not yogi sex -- it's manipulative immature sex. I am not defending the guy but, he had manipulative immature sex AND at different times had what might be characerized as, or suggestive of, yogi sex. Two different things. With your comments and change of subject/title, you may incorrectly leave the casual reader with the impression that: 1) all yogi sex is manipulative immature sex and/or 2) yogi sex doesn't exist, is just a cover for sexual and often perverted sexual gratification. My point is, while any number of abuses may have occurred in lots of ashrams, thats an issue in and of itself. That in no way diminishes the possibility of yogi sex, totally separate from abuses eslewhere by others, in which the primary purpose is energy transformation. Muktananda was probably a bad example of yogi sex. IMO, both Hubbard and Muktananda were needing to suck in subtle energy from the outside to maintain whatever powers they had and were losing due to physical/mental deterioration. In a comprehensive, if not definitive biography of Gandhi, its said that in his later years, he would regularly sleep with two young virgins, one on each side, in reverse direction (their head at his feet, and vice versa) -- no sex involved. This was some yogi energy rejuvination method that Gandhi found quite effective. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Urdhva-retas? Yogi sex, yeah right
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If they were having sex with underage women, they should have been sucking in the subtle energy of a state prison. Sal Agreed. as in, here's Bubba, your new 'spiritual Master'... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Comparing meditation practices
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 5/25/06 1:11 PM, Patrick Gillam at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An interesting remark by David Orme-Johnson: Over the 40 years that I've been interested in self-development, *I've tried most of the meditation and relaxation techniques that are out there* (emphasis added). In my experience none of them do what Transcendental Meditation does. http://tinyurl.com/foyzs I guess I had always thought of other practices as being strictly off limits to MIU faculty. It makes sense that an investigator would try them out. I don't believe him. I think he's lying to sound objective. At the very least, something sounds very fishy about it. Of course, this is the same guy who was attempting a bit of the old in-out in-out with females not his wife, so who knows? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Urdhva-retas? Yogi sex, yeah right
I am familiar with all the charges against Muktananda that both Mark and Sal remind us of. So, I am in a dilemma because I find his writings fascinating yet, at the same time, he is accused of things that, as Sal said, he should be in prison for, if true. What I do is take what I perceive the good things that the man said and did and wrote about and deal with those and of course acknowledge and condemn any crimes he allegedly committed. It's like dealing with Ford Motor company. I could protest the virulent anti-semitism of Henry Ford by boycotting all Ford products or buy the products and, at the same time, acknowledge his faults. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 markmeredith@ wrote: Muktananda had sex with underage daughters of close disciples in secret with a heavy amount of intimidation before and afterwards. Clearly you are not suggesting that he exclusively had sex with the above. The young ladies generally report having been freaked out. This is not yogi sex -- it's manipulative immature sex. I am not defending the guy but, he had manipulative immature sex AND at different times had what might be characerized as, or suggestive of, yogi sex. Two different things. With your comments and change of subject/title, you may incorrectly leave the casual reader with the impression that: 1) all yogi sex is manipulative immature sex and/or 2) yogi sex doesn't exist, is just a cover for sexual and often perverted sexual gratification. My point is, while any number of abuses may have occurred in lots of ashrams, thats an issue in and of itself. That in no way diminishes the possibility of yogi sex, totally separate from abuses eslewhere by others, in which the primary purpose is energy transformation. Muktananda was probably a bad example of yogi sex. IMO, both Hubbard and Muktananda were needing to suck in subtle energy from the outside to maintain whatever powers they had and were losing due to physical/mental deterioration. In a comprehensive, if not definitive biography of Gandhi, its said that in his later years, he would regularly sleep with two young virgins, one on each side, in reverse direction (their head at his feet, and vice versa) -- no sex involved. This was some yogi energy rejuvination method that Gandhi found quite effective. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Urdhva-retas? Yogi sex, yeah right
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If they were having sex with underage women, they should have been sucking in the subtle energy of a state prison. Sal Of course underage is relative, in a legal sense. per web search, age of consent is 12 in Mexico, 13 in Spain, 14 in Germany and Iowa, 16 in India and Conneticut (Rick and Pete, you are safe from those late teenage adventures), 18 in California. And in some homes never. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Urdhva-retas? Yogi sex, yeah right
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am familiar with all the charges against Muktananda that both Mark and Sal remind us of. So, I am in a dilemma because I find his writings fascinating yet, at the same time, he is accused of things that, as Sal said, he should be in prison for, if true. What I do is take what I perceive the good things that the man said and did and wrote about and deal with those and of course acknowledge and condemn any crimes he allegedly committed. It's like dealing with Ford Motor company. I could protest the virulent anti-semitism of Henry Ford by boycotting all Ford products or buy the products and, at the same time, acknowledge his faults. Overall, I think yours is a wise position. However, I should point out that given your example, you'd still be driving a Ford. :-) (Saith the person who in his time as a consultant, drove most of the cars made in America and wouldn't be caught dead again in most of them.) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Comparing meditation practices
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 5/25/06 1:11 PM, Patrick Gillam at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An interesting remark by David Orme-Johnson: Over the 40 years that I've been interested in self-development, *I've tried most of the meditation and relaxation techniques that are out there* (emphasis added). In my experience none of them do what Transcendental Meditation does. http://tinyurl.com/foyzs I guess I had always thought of other practices as being strictly off limits to MIU faculty. It makes sense that an investigator would try them out. I don't believe him. I think he's lying to sound objective. Just so you're not the only one saying this, that was my first impression as well. It certainly seems more likely, given his position in a movement that tended to deal harshly with people who had open minds about other techniques. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: No yellow stars
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The poor put-upon Iranian leadership and parliament. Wa-wa-wa. How could the evil West ever have done such an injustice to them? Of course, leave it to that other Bully Incarnate -- Billie Batts - - to be the first out of the starting gate to defend these promoters of mass-murder and terrorism. Billie, you really should educate what happened to the millions of Iraqis and Iranians who died under the leadership of both the Ayatollah Khumeini (who sent tens of thousands of 12-year-old boys to Paraside) and Saddam Hussein (whose unmentionable atrocities to both his own people and the Iranians are too numerous to list here). Dead is dead, whether by Saddam and the Ayatollah or Bush. Dead is dead is dead. Does it really matter who pulls the trigger? This Holier Than Thou attitude of those here in the US (or Canada) who would wage war to 'defend freedom' is such BS. To kill others in the name of lofty ideals does nothing except destroy those ideals, and cause incalculable suffering. Talk about a high horse. Anyone who thinks war is noble, justified or necessary in this day and age is sadly mistaken, imo. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Urdhva-retas? Yogi sex, yeah right
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am familiar with all the charges against Muktananda that both Mark and Sal remind us of. So, I am in a dilemma because I find his writings fascinating yet, at the same time, he is accused of things that, as Sal said, he should be in prison for, if true. What I do is take what I perceive the good things that the man said and did and wrote about and deal with those and of course acknowledge and condemn any crimes he allegedly committed. It's like dealing with Ford Motor company. I could protest the virulent anti-semitism of Henry Ford by boycotting all Ford products or buy the products and, at the same time, acknowledge his faults. Do you like Persian rugs? ; ) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: No yellow stars
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This Holier Than Thou attitude of those here in the US (or Canada) who would wage war to 'defend freedom' is such BS. To kill others in the name of lofty ideals does nothing except destroy those ideals, and cause incalculable suffering. Well, it does accomplish one thing. It points out the hypocrisy of the American way of life, and makes these societies less likely to adopt it. That is, after all, exactly what Bin Laden announced as his intention decades ago; he planned to attack the US so that it would overreact (as it always does) and in doing so reveal to the world what it really was, and thus swing world opinion against the US. Wisely, the government of the United States, with Bin Laden's announced strategy right in front of them in print, didn't fall for it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: No yellow stars
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: The poor put-upon Iranian leadership and parliament. Wa-wa-wa. How could the evil West ever have done such an injustice to them? Of course, leave it to that other Bully Incarnate -- Billie Batts - - to be the first out of the starting gate to defend these promoters of mass-murder and terrorism. Billie, you really should educate what happened to the millions of Iraqis and Iranians who died under the leadership of both the Ayatollah Khumeini (who sent tens of thousands of 12-year-old boys to Paraside) and Saddam Hussein (whose unmentionable atrocities to both his own people and the Iranians are too numerous to list here). Dead is dead, whether by Saddam and the Ayatollah or Bush. Dead is dead is dead. Does it really matter who pulls the trigger? This Holier Than Thou attitude of those here in the US (or Canada) who would wage war to 'defend freedom' is such BS. To kill others in the name of lofty ideals does nothing except destroy those ideals, and cause incalculable suffering. Talk about a high horse. Anyone who thinks war is noble, justified or necessary in this day and age is sadly mistaken, imo. Never? Not, as you say above, necessary ever? So you are against having a military at all? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Sal, I find your position inconsistent
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If they were having sex with underage women, they should have been sucking in the subtle energy of a state prison. Agreed, Sal (and I wrote a further comment on this in an earlier post today). But I would remind you that the charges you cite against Muktananda are heresay and, although numerous, were never either brought up in a court of law or proven in a court of law. All we have is the word of the women who told us AFTER the fact of what they said happened. Muktananda neve had the chance to defend himself. I would remind you that this is the same degree of proof that there was against the allegations against Bill Clinton: the word of the women he allegedly raped or sexually assaulted or took advantage of (took advantage of: a person in a high position having sexual affairs with an underling or person of lesser power). And, like Muktananda, there were numerous allegations against Bill Clinton. And, like Muktananda, several of the charges were that the victims were underlings or people in less powerful positions than the perpetrator. However, unlike Muktananda, Bill Clinton got the chance to defend himself against the allegations against him. And, unlike Muktananda, Bill Clinton WAS found to be responsible for at least one of the incidents (Monica Lewinsky) and, indeed, admitted as much (only because of irrefutable proof -- the blue dress; he originally denied it) and is was disbarred from the State Bar of Arkansas (not for the sex but for the lying about it), paid a heft fine to the court, if I remember correctly, and may have been found guilty of perjury (I can't remember exactly). So, Sal, you were quick to defend Clinton with MORE evidence against him and an admission of guilty but equally quick to denounce Muktananda with less evidence against him, no admission of guilt and without Muktananda ever having the chance to defend himself. Your positions seem inconsistent to me. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: No yellow stars
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The poor put-upon Iranian leadership and parliament. Wa-wa-wa. How could the evil West ever have done such an injustice to them? Of course, leave it to that other Bully Incarnate -- Billie Batts -- to be the first out of the starting gate to defend these promoters of mass-murder and terrorism. Uh, Shemp, I wasn't defending the Iranians. Sorry the confirmation that the story wasn't true has upset you; I hadn't realized you were so emotionally involved. The only reason I posted this article was because--quite calmly at the time-- you had earlier expressed an interest in how the story developed. Now, go take your medication, please. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Urdhva-retas? Yogi sex, yeah right
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: I am familiar with all the charges against Muktananda that both Mark and Sal remind us of. So, I am in a dilemma because I find his writings fascinating yet, at the same time, he is accused of things that, as Sal said, he should be in prison for, if true. What I do is take what I perceive the good things that the man said and did and wrote about and deal with those and of course acknowledge and condemn any crimes he allegedly committed. It's like dealing with Ford Motor company. I could protest the virulent anti-semitism of Henry Ford by boycotting all Ford products or buy the products and, at the same time, acknowledge his faults. Do you like Persian rugs? ; ) Just what I was thinking. Thank you. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Urdhva-retas? Yogi sex, yeah right
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: I am familiar with all the charges against Muktananda that both Mark and Sal remind us of. So, I am in a dilemma because I find his writings fascinating yet, at the same time, he is accused of things that, as Sal said, he should be in prison for, if true. What I do is take what I perceive the good things that the man said and did and wrote about and deal with those and of course acknowledge and condemn any crimes he allegedly committed. It's like dealing with Ford Motor company. I could protest the virulent anti-semitism of Henry Ford by boycotting all Ford products or buy the products and, at the same time, acknowledge his faults. Do you like Persian rugs? ; ) Just what I was thinking. Thank you. I may or may not like Persian rugs but Billie Batts LOVES Bill Clinton. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: No yellow stars
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: The poor put-upon Iranian leadership and parliament. Wa-wa-wa. How could the evil West ever have done such an injustice to them? Of course, leave it to that other Bully Incarnate -- Billie Batts -- to be the first out of the starting gate to defend these promoters of mass-murder and terrorism. Uh, Shemp, I wasn't defending the Iranians. Uh, Billie, it certainly came across that you were or, at the very least, invested in making sure people knew the story wasn't true. Sorry the confirmation that the story wasn't true has upset you; I hadn't realized you were so emotionally involved. The only reason I posted this article was because--quite calmly at the time-- you had earlier expressed an interest in how the story developed. Gee, it's at least the third or fourth posting you've devoted to the subject. So with all the issues in the world available to you to post about, why so much time and energy to this one? Now, go take your medication, please. Go home and get your shine box. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: No yellow stars
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: The poor put-upon Iranian leadership and parliament. Wa-wa- wa. How could the evil West ever have done such an injustice to them? Of course, leave it to that other Bully Incarnate -- Billie Batts - - to be the first out of the starting gate to defend these promoters of mass-murder and terrorism. Billie, you really should educate what happened to the millions of Iraqis and Iranians who died under the leadership of both the Ayatollah Khumeini (who sent tens of thousands of 12-year-old boys to Paraside) and Saddam Hussein (whose unmentionable atrocities to both his own people and the Iranians are too numerous to list here). Dead is dead, whether by Saddam and the Ayatollah or Bush. Dead is dead is dead. Does it really matter who pulls the trigger? This Holier Than Thou attitude of those here in the US (or Canada) who would wage war to 'defend freedom' is such BS. To kill others in the name of lofty ideals does nothing except destroy those ideals, and cause incalculable suffering. Talk about a high horse. Anyone who thinks war is noble, justified or necessary in this day and age is sadly mistaken, imo. Never? Not, as you say above, necessary ever? We can come up with hypotheticals, such as a direct attack by Canada or Mexico, for example, where a military response would be necessary, but I can't personally justify any military action taken by the US since WWII. So you are against having a military at all? Practically speaking, some kind of deterrent force is necessary. To make it a centerpiece of our foreign policy is not ultimately or useful, though. We have a massively strong economy, with all kinds of possible leverage points available there. Look at China, they manage to bend us to their will without resorting to any military force, purely as a result of wisely using economic leverage. Why can't we do the same? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Urdhva-retas? Yogi sex, yeah right
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: I am familiar with all the charges against Muktananda that both Mark and Sal remind us of. So, I am in a dilemma because I find his writings fascinating yet, at the same time, he is accused of things that, as Sal said, he should be in prison for, if true. What I do is take what I perceive the good things that the man said and did and wrote about and deal with those and of course acknowledge and condemn any crimes he allegedly committed. It's like dealing with Ford Motor company. I could protest the virulent anti-semitism of Henry Ford by boycotting all Ford products or buy the products and, at the same time, acknowledge his faults. Do you like Persian rugs? ; ) Just what I was thinking. Thank you. I may or may not like Persian rugs but Billie Batts LOVES Bill Clinton. C'mon, stay relevant geopolitically-- Dude hasn't even been Prez for six years... and 9/11 certainly didn't happen on his watch. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: No yellow stars
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: The poor put-upon Iranian leadership and parliament. Wa-wa- wa. How could the evil West ever have done such an injustice to them? Of course, leave it to that other Bully Incarnate -- Billie Batts -- to be the first out of the starting gate to defend these promoters of mass-murder and terrorism. Uh, Shemp, I wasn't defending the Iranians. Uh, Billie, it certainly came across that you were or, at the very least, invested in making sure people knew the story wasn't true. As I said: The only reason I posted this article was because--quite calmly at the time-- you had earlier expressed an interest in how the story developed. Gee, it's at least the third or fourth posting you've devoted to the subject. Just the first one and this follow-up, plus responses to questions you asked me about the first one. So with all the issues in the world available to you to post about, why so much time and energy to this one? Very little time and energy, actually. I think a possible war with Iran is one of the most important issues on the current scene. The point was that we need to be skeptical of scare stories ginning up war fever. Now, go take your medication, please. Go home and get your shine box. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Urdhva-retas? Yogi sex, yeah right
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: I am familiar with all the charges against Muktananda that both Mark and Sal remind us of. So, I am in a dilemma because I find his writings fascinating yet, at the same time, he is accused of things that, as Sal said, he should be in prison for, if true. What I do is take what I perceive the good things that the man said and did and wrote about and deal with those and of course acknowledge and condemn any crimes he allegedly committed. It's like dealing with Ford Motor company. I could protest the virulent anti-semitism of Henry Ford by boycotting all Ford products or buy the products and, at the same time, acknowledge his faults. Do you like Persian rugs? ; ) Just what I was thinking. Thank you. btw, I had the interesting fortune to work in a Persian rug store in Wash DC, run by several Iranian brothers, during the transition in Iran from the Shah to Khomeini... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Urdhva-retas? Yogi sex, yeah right
on 5/25/06 3:18 PM, jim_flanegin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: btw, I had the interesting fortune to work in a Persian rug store in Wash DC, run by several Iranian brothers, during the transition in Iran from the Shah to Khomeini... I was in Tehran for three months prior to that transition. Interesting experience. We used to stand on the roof of our hotel and watch the mobs burn theatres and liquor stores. Great grapes and pistachio nuts. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Urdhva-retas? Yogi sex, yeah right
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: I am familiar with all the charges against Muktananda that both Mark and Sal remind us of. So, I am in a dilemma because I find his writings fascinating yet, at the same time, he is accused of things that, as Sal said, he should be in prison for, if true. What I do is take what I perceive the good things that the man said and did and wrote about and deal with those and of course acknowledge and condemn any crimes he allegedly committed. It's like dealing with Ford Motor company. I could protest the virulent anti-semitism of Henry Ford by boycotting all Ford products or buy the products and, at the same time, acknowledge his faults. Do you like Persian rugs? ; ) Just what I was thinking. Thank you. I may or may not like Persian rugs but Billie Batts LOVES Bill Clinton. C'mon, stay relevant geopolitically-- Dude hasn't even been Prez for six years... and 9/11 certainly didn't happen on his watch. Watch Loose Change and then deceide who was watching which watch. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: No yellow stars
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: The poor put-upon Iranian leadership and parliament. Wa-wa- wa. How could the evil West ever have done such an injustice to them? Of course, leave it to that other Bully Incarnate -- Billie Batts - - to be the first out of the starting gate to defend these promoters of mass-murder and terrorism. Billie, you really should educate what happened to the millions of Iraqis and Iranians who died under the leadership of both the Ayatollah Khumeini (who sent tens of thousands of 12-year- old boys to Paraside) and Saddam Hussein (whose unmentionable atrocities to both his own people and the Iranians are too numerous to list here). Dead is dead, whether by Saddam and the Ayatollah or Bush. Dead is dead is dead. Does it really matter who pulls the trigger? This Holier Than Thou attitude of those here in the US (or Canada) who would wage war to 'defend freedom' is such BS. To kill others in the name of lofty ideals does nothing except destroy those ideals, and cause incalculable suffering. Talk about a high horse. Anyone who thinks war is noble, justified or necessary in this day and age is sadly mistaken, imo. Never? Not, as you say above, necessary ever? We can come up with hypotheticals, such as a direct attack by Canada or Mexico, for example, 9/11 isn't a hypothetical. It actually happened. Unless, of course, you are a conspiracty theorist and believe it didn't happen at all... where a military response would be necessary, but I can't personally justify any military action taken by the US since WWII. So, the invasion of Afghanistan according to you wasn't justified. So you are against having a military at all? Practically speaking, some kind of deterrent force is necessary. To make it a centerpiece of our foreign policy is not ultimately or useful, though. We have a massively strong economy, with all kinds of possible leverage points available there. Look at China, they manage to bend us to their will without resorting to any military force, I think the Taiwanese would disagree with you. Also some students at a certain square in Beijing. purely as a result of wisely using economic leverage. Why can't we do the same? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No yellow stars
In a message dated 5/25/06 2:25:29 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This Holier Than Thou attitude of those here in the US (or Canada) who would wage war to 'defend freedom' is such BS. To kill others in the name of lofty ideals does nothing except destroy those ideals, and cause incalculable suffering.Talk about a high horse. Anyone who thinks war is noble, justified or necessary in this day and age is sadly mistaken, imo. Do I read you right? That freedom is not worth dying for, not even if somebody else offered to risk death for your freedom? Would you submit to tyranny to avoidyour own death or anybody else's?Do you think you would have the right to even post such a comment over the Internet if you lived under a totalitarian government? Maybe you think you would have done well living under Hitler, Stalin or others. But I think not. The first public protest of your rights being taken away,* you* would have been taken away and never heard of again. The very idea that freedom and liberty are not worth dying for is every tyrants dream. And you know, all too many people never know when war is justified for those ideals until it's too late. History records it, century after century. Of course we all know the old saying, Hind sight is 20/20. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No yellow stars
In a message dated 5/25/06 3:08:21 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Look at China, they manage to bend us to their will without resorting to any military force, purely as a result of wisely using economic leverage. Why can't we do the same? Everybody has to be on the same page for such actions to work. Look at Saddam and Iraq for example. Economic sanctions had been placed on him for years but anybody that needed something Saddam had, like oil, or money from oil, managed to deal with Saddam under the table. Clearly Saddam had been working on breaking down sanctions over the years and it was working. One thing you will almost never get is The UN agreeing 100% on anything. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] uurdhvaretas explained!?
Urdhva mf(%{A})n. (%{vRdh} BRD. ; perhaps fr. %{R}) , rising or tending
upwards , raised , elevated , erected , erect , upright , high , above
RV. AV. VS. S3Br. AitBr. c. (in class. Sanskr2it occurring generally
in compounds) ;
retas n. ( %{ri} , %{rI}) a flow , stream , current , flow of rain or
water , libation RV. AV. ; flow of semen , seminal fluid , sperm , seed
RV. c. c.
uurdhva-retas is a bahuvriihi-compound:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bahuvrihi
Example translation: [someone having] upward flow of semen?
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[FairfieldLife] Re: No yellow stars
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: [snip] The only reason I posted this article was because--quite calmly at the time-- you had earlier expressed an interest in how the story developed. Gee, it's at least the third or fourth posting you've devoted to the subject. Just the first one and this follow-up, plus responses to questions you asked me about the first one. Yeah, and those are all defined as postings, my dear. No less than 8 postings by you on the subject. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Eating animals seems to have really bad karma
I occasionally eat meat myself, so I am not innocent by any means. But in light of what we know about: 1) bird flu -- that it comes from poultry livestock which are raised for eating; 2) AIDS: from this article -- that AIDS developed from wild chimps and that it was probably during the process of butchering a chip for food consumption; 3) Many other diseases that come from raising cattle livestock and transferred to humans -- I read where the reason that so many aboriginal peoples died from the European invasion (it was in the 10s of millions) was that North and South American aboriginal peoples never kept domesticated chicken or cattle and, as such, never built up a resistance to the transferred diseases the way Europeans did and the way other peoples in other continents that th Europeans did. Well, maybe we can conclude that carnivorism does have some very direct karmic effects! --- HIV's Ancestry Traced to Wild Chimps May 25 2:02 PM US/Eastern Email this story By LAURAN NEERGAARD AP Medical Writer WASHINGTON Twenty-five years after the first AIDS cases emerged, scientists have confirmed that the HIV virus plaguing humans really did originate in wild chimpanzees, in a corner of Cameroon. Solving the mystery of HIV's ancestry was dirty work. Scientists employed trackers to plunge through dense jungle and collect the fresh feces of wild apes _ more than 1,300 samples in all. Before that, it took seven years of research just to develop the testing methods to genetically trace the primate version of the virus in living wild chimps without hurting the endangered species. Until now, no one was able to look. No one had the tools, said Dr. Beatrice Hahn of the University of Alabama at Birmingham. She led the team of international researchers that reported the success in Friday's edition of the journal Science. We're 25 years into this pandemic, Hahn said. We don't have a cure. We don't have a vaccine. But we know where it came from. At least we can make a check mark on one of those. Scientists long have known that nonhuman primates carry their own version of the AIDS virus, called SIV or simian immunodeficiency virus. But with one exception, it had been found only in captive chimpanzees, particularly a subspecies that in the wild populates mostly West Africa. It was not known how prevalent the virus was in chimps in the wild, or how genetically or geographically diverse it was, complicating efforts to pin down the jump from animal to man. Hahn's team tested chimp feces for SIV antibodies, finding them in a subspecies called Pan troglodytes troglodytes in southern Cameroon. Chimps tend to form geographically distinct communities. By genetically analyzing the feces, researchers could trace individual infected chimps. The team found some chimp communities with infection rates as high as 35 percent, while others had no infection at all. Every single infected chimp had a common base genetic pattern that indicated a common ancestor, Hahn said. There are three types of HIV-1, the strain of the human virus responsible for most of the worldwide epidemic. Genetic analysis let Hahn identify chimp communities near Cameroon's Sanaga River whose viral strains are most closely related to the most common of those HIV-1 subtypes. The genetic similarity was striking, Hahn said. The first human known to be infected with HIV was a man from Kinshasa in the nearby country of Congo who had his blood stored in 1959 as part of a medical study, decades before scientists knew the AIDS virus existed. Presumably, someone in rural Cameroon was bitten by a chimp or was cut while butchering one and became infected with the ape virus. That person passed it to someone else. The Sanaga River long has been a commercial waterway, for transporting hardwood, ivory and other items to more urban areas. Eventually, someone infected made it to Kinshasa. How many different transmission events occurred between that initial hunter and this virus making it to Kinshasa, I don't know. It could have been one, it could have been 10, it could have been 100, Hahn said. Eventually, it ended up in an urban area, and that's where it really got going. Somewhere in all that spread, the virus became more deadly to people than it is to chimps, who seldom are bothered much by SIV. The research seems to settle any question of HIV's origin, said Dr. Anthony Fauci, the National Institutes of Health's AIDS chief. When tracing a virus' evolution, it's important to get as close to the source as you can, he said. It's of historic interest. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Comparing meditation practices
Yeah that's right, everybody who's ever cheated in their marriage can never, ever be trusted again on any issue. Ever heard the one about the splinter and the log in the eye, Shemp? And why are right-wingers so obsessed with everyone *else's* sex life, anyway? Sal On May 25, 2006, at 2:09 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: > I don't believe him. I think he's lying to sound objective. > At the very least, something sounds very fishy about it. Of course, this is the same guy who was attempting a bit of the old in-out in-out with females not his wife, so who knows?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Urdhva-retas? Yogi sex, yeah right
Or, you could make movies that millions of people see, and in each one show Fords imploding in horrible car accidents until the miserable SOB shut the h*ll up about his prejudices. Louis B Mayer thought of that one--right on. Sal On May 25, 2006, at 2:16 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: It's like dealing with Ford Motor company. I could protest the virulent anti-semitism of Henry Ford by boycotting all Ford products or buy the products and, at the same time, acknowledge his faults.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Sal, I find your position inconsistent
That's why I said if Shemp--if it had been proven, i.e. in court--not based on here-say. That's inconsistent? Re: your comments about Clinton I have no answer, didn't we just go over this topic? You seem to be simply obsessed with the man. Give it up, Shemp, he's been out of office 6 *years.* Sal On May 25, 2006, at 2:40 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: But I would remind you that the charges you cite against Muktananda are here-say and, although numerous, were never either brought up in a court of law or proven in a court of law. All we have is the word of the women who told us AFTER the fact of what they said happened. Muktananda neve had the chance to defend himself.
[FairfieldLife] MAPI store in Kansas
So far, business has been somewhat slow at the Lawrence shop, Allen Reminick said. http://tinyurl.com/nhjfc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Urdhva-retas? Yogi sex, yeah right
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 5/25/06 3:18 PM, jim_flanegin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: btw, I had the interesting fortune to work in a Persian rug store in Wash DC, run by several Iranian brothers, during the transition in Iran from the Shah to Khomeini... I was in Tehran for three months prior to that transition. Interesting experience. We used to stand on the roof of our hotel and watch the mobs burn theatres and liquor stores. Great grapes and pistachio nuts. Wow- wouldn't have been my first choice for a vacation(!)... I had a weird experience while working in that store at the time. A supposedly 'former' free-lance photographer for the CIA insisted on taking a group pic of all of the store employees, including me, together. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Urdhva-retas? Yogi sex, yeah right
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or, you could make movies that millions of people see, and in each one show Fords imploding in horrible car accidents until the miserable SOB shut the h*ll up about his prejudices. Louis B Mayer thought of that one--right on. Did he? Great...more power to him! Sal On May 25, 2006, at 2:16 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: It's like dealing with Ford Motor company. I could protest the virulent anti-semitism of Henry Ford by boycotting all Ford products or buy the products and, at the same time, acknowledge his faults. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: No yellow stars
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 5/25/06 3:08:21 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Look at China, they manage to bend us to their will without resorting to any military force, purely as a result of wisely using economic leverage. Why can't we do the same? Everybody has to be on the same page for such actions to work. Look at Saddam and Iraq for example. Economic sanctions had been placed on him for years but anybody that needed something Saddam had, like oil, or money from oil, managed to deal with Saddam under the table. Clearly Saddam had been working on breaking down sanctions over the years and it was working. One thing you will almost never get is The UN agreeing 100% on anything. I totally agree, and if we had wanted to stop the back channel trading going on, we could have. Our embargo against Cuba has been near absolute for 50 years. Even a country as large and diverse as ours can act in a coherent willful way when it wants to. Often times though the powers that be will choose to just start a war. Really short-sighted and stupid behavior. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Comparing meditation practices
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah that's right, everybody who's ever cheated in their marriage can never, ever be trusted again on any issue. Who said that, Sal? Ever heard the one about the splinter and the log in the eye, Shemp? No, I missed that one. And why are right-wingers so obsessed with everyone *else's* sex life, anyway? They're deviants? Sal On May 25, 2006, at 2:09 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: I don't believe him. I think he's lying to sound objective. At the very least, something sounds very fishy about it. Of course, this is the same guy who was attempting a bit of the old in-out in-out with females not his wife, so who knows? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: MAPI store in Kansas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So far, business has been somewhat slow at the Lawrence shop, Allen Reminick said. http://tinyurl.com/nhjfc Slow can be anything above nothing, including a dribble. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sal, I find your position inconsistent
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's why I said if Shemp--if it had been proven, i.e. in court- -not based on here-say. That's inconsistent? Yeah, it's inconsistent because there was no if with at least one incident with Clinton and yet you defended him. There are only if's with Muktananda (not that I'm defending him). Re: your comments about Clinton I have no answer, didn't we just go over this topic? You seem to be simply obsessed with the man. As I've said many times, I like the man. Give it up, Shemp, he's been out of office 6 *years.* Then why go out of your way to defend him and yet come out with the statement about Muktananda? Again, you're inconsistent. Sal On May 25, 2006, at 2:40 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: But I would remind you that the charges you cite against Muktananda are here-say and, although numerous, were never either brought up in a court of law or proven in a court of law. All we have is the word of the women who told us AFTER the fact of what they said happened. Muktananda neve had the chance to defend himself. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: No yellow stars
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: The poor put-upon Iranian leadership and parliament. Wa- wa- wa. How could the evil West ever have done such an injustice to them? Of course, leave it to that other Bully Incarnate -- Billie Batts - - to be the first out of the starting gate to defend these promoters of mass-murder and terrorism. Billie, you really should educate what happened to the millions of Iraqis and Iranians who died under the leadership of both the Ayatollah Khumeini (who sent tens of thousands of 12-year- old boys to Paraside) and Saddam Hussein (whose unmentionable atrocities to both his own people and the Iranians are too numerous to list here). Dead is dead, whether by Saddam and the Ayatollah or Bush. Dead is dead is dead. Does it really matter who pulls the trigger? This Holier Than Thou attitude of those here in the US (or Canada) who would wage war to 'defend freedom' is such BS. To kill others in the name of lofty ideals does nothing except destroy those ideals, and cause incalculable suffering. Talk about a high horse. Anyone who thinks war is noble, justified or necessary in this day and age is sadly mistaken, imo. Never? Not, as you say above, necessary ever? We can come up with hypotheticals, such as a direct attack by Canada or Mexico, for example, 9/11 isn't a hypothetical. It actually happened. Unless, of course, you are a conspiracty theorist and believe it didn't happen at all... where a military response would be necessary, but I can't personally justify any military action taken by the US since WWII. So, the invasion of Afghanistan according to you wasn't justified. Nope. And by the way, under cover of war, the opium crop is gettying larger and larger all the time. Also, huge resurgence of the Taliban these days. Nope, waging war there sucked. Bad idea. So you are against having a military at all? Practically speaking, some kind of deterrent force is necessary. To make it a centerpiece of our foreign policy is not ultimately or useful, though. We have a massively strong economy, with all kinds of possible leverage points available there. Look at China, they manage to bend us to their will without resorting to any military force, I think the Taiwanese would disagree with you. Also some students at a certain square in Beijing. How did that influence their relationship with the US? As I recall, it hurt it... purely as a result of wisely using economic leverage. Why can't we do the same? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: No yellow stars
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 5/25/06 3:08:21 P.M. Central Daylight Time, jflanegi@ writes: Look at China, they manage to bend us to their will without resorting to any military force, purely as a result of wisely using economic leverage. Why can't we do the same? Everybody has to be on the same page for such actions to work. Look at Saddam and Iraq for example. Economic sanctions had been placed on him for years but anybody that needed something Saddam had, like oil, or money from oil, managed to deal with Saddam under the table. Clearly Saddam had been working on breaking down sanctions over the years and it was working. One thing you will almost never get is The UN agreeing 100% on anything. I totally agree, and if we had wanted to stop the back channel trading going on, we could have. Our embargo against Cuba has been near absolute for 50 years. Even a country as large and diverse as ours can act in a coherent willful way when it wants to. Often times though the powers that be will choose to just start a war. Really short-sighted and stupid behavior. But has the embargo worked? I've always thought that trade -- and the more the merrier -- is the best way to dismantle an enemy. It's hard to go to war with someone who's your best customer... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] MAPI store in Kansas
on 5/25/06 4:10 PM, bob_brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So far, business has been somewhat slow at the Lawrence shop, Allen Reminick said. http://tinyurl.com/nhjfc Allen is a terrific Jyotishi. Actually gives you faith in the practice. BTW, if you read the article, tell me how you think they collect the butterfly pee. Tiny catheters? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eating animals seems to have really bad karma
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I occasionally eat meat myself, so I am not innocent by any means. But in light of what we know about: 1) bird flu -- that it comes from poultry livestock which are raised for eating; 2) AIDS: from this article -- that AIDS developed from wild chimps and that it was probably during the process of butchering a chip for food consumption; 3) Many other diseases that come from raising cattle livestock and transferred to humans -- I read where the reason that so many aboriginal peoples died from the European invasion (it was in the 10s of millions) A 100 million or more, acording to the sytnthesis of acadameic research Charles Mann pulled together in the book 1491. From the published research from many disciplines, he paints the picture of pre-columbian americas that were more populous, at an equivalent or higher cultural, ploitical and agricultural state, had better cities, large tradenet works spanning 1000s of miles etc. The no livestock non-resistance evidence is apparently strong and growing. Once columbus and others landed diseases such as chicken pox raced to population centers far faster than the explorers did on land. So large population centers were wiped out with no direct European contact. There are many reports of early Europeans finding inland ghost villages after establishing settlements on the coast some years earlier. After 50-100 or so years, many signs of the large native population centers had vanished -- and were absorbed and further covered by european settlement. And the book has fascinating details about Squanto of pilgrim days. He lived in England PRIOR to his days with the pilgrims. The victim of a French trader's kidnapping. was that North and South American aboriginal peoples never kept domesticated chicken or cattle and, as such, never built up a resistance to the transferred diseases the way Europeans did and the way other peoples in other continents that th Europeans did. Well, maybe we can conclude that carnivorism does have some very direct karmic effects! --- HIV's Ancestry Traced to Wild Chimps May 25 2:02 PM US/Eastern Email this story By LAURAN NEERGAARD AP Medical Writer WASHINGTON Twenty-five years after the first AIDS cases emerged, scientists have confirmed that the HIV virus plaguing humans really did originate in wild chimpanzees, in a corner of Cameroon. Solving the mystery of HIV's ancestry was dirty work. Scientists employed trackers to plunge through dense jungle and collect the fresh feces of wild apes _ more than 1,300 samples in all. Before that, it took seven years of research just to develop the testing methods to genetically trace the primate version of the virus in living wild chimps without hurting the endangered species. Until now, no one was able to look. No one had the tools, said Dr. Beatrice Hahn of the University of Alabama at Birmingham. She led the team of international researchers that reported the success in Friday's edition of the journal Science. We're 25 years into this pandemic, Hahn said. We don't have a cure. We don't have a vaccine. But we know where it came from. At least we can make a check mark on one of those. Scientists long have known that nonhuman primates carry their own version of the AIDS virus, called SIV or simian immunodeficiency virus. But with one exception, it had been found only in captive chimpanzees, particularly a subspecies that in the wild populates mostly West Africa. It was not known how prevalent the virus was in chimps in the wild, or how genetically or geographically diverse it was, complicating efforts to pin down the jump from animal to man. Hahn's team tested chimp feces for SIV antibodies, finding them in a subspecies called Pan troglodytes troglodytes in southern Cameroon. Chimps tend to form geographically distinct communities. By genetically analyzing the feces, researchers could trace individual infected chimps. The team found some chimp communities with infection rates as high as 35 percent, while others had no infection at all. Every single infected chimp had a common base genetic pattern that indicated a common ancestor, Hahn said. There are three types of HIV-1, the strain of the human virus responsible for most of the worldwide epidemic. Genetic analysis let Hahn identify chimp communities near Cameroon's Sanaga River whose viral strains are most closely related to the most common of those HIV-1 subtypes. The genetic similarity was striking, Hahn said. The first human known to be infected with HIV was a man from Kinshasa in the nearby country of Congo who had his blood stored in 1959 as part of a medical study, decades before scientists knew the AIDS virus existed. Presumably, someone in rural Cameroon was bitten by a chimp or was
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sal, I find your position inconsistent
On May 25, 2006, at 4:18 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: n FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's why I said if Shemp--if it had been proven, i.e. in court- -not based on here-say. That's inconsistent? Yeah, it's inconsistent because there was no if with at least one incident with Clinton and yet you defended him. There are only if's with Muktananda (not that I'm defending him). And that's why I didn't say to toss him in prison--nothing's been proven and, since the man is dead, nothing ever will be. Re: your comments about Clinton I have no answer, didn't we just go over this topic? You seem to be simply obsessed with the man. As I've said many times, I like the man. Give it up, Shemp, he's been out of office 6 *years.* Then why go out of your way to defend him and yet come out with the statement about Muktananda? Again, you're inconsistent. You know, this is really silly. I've mentioned Clinton exactly *once,* about two weeks ago in passing, in relation to Tucker Carlson and the scandal he went through. I've never said another word about him on my own, and yet, that's enough to cause a rash of messages on how I'm defending him--and not only that, going out of my way to do so. I'm sure there must be a 12-step group for this addiction, Shemp. Sal To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Comparing meditation practices
On May 25, 2006, at 4:15 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: Ever heard the one about the splinter and the log in the eye, Shemp? No, I missed that one. Well that explains everything. And why are right-wingers so obsessed with everyone *else's* sex life, anyway? They're deviants? If it were only that simple--there's help for deviants. Sal To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: No yellow stars
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 5/25/06 3:08:21 P.M. Central Daylight Time, jflanegi@ writes: Look at China, they manage to bend us to their will without resorting to any military force, purely as a result of wisely using economic leverage. Why can't we do the same? Everybody has to be on the same page for such actions to work. Look at Saddam and Iraq for example. Economic sanctions had been placed on him for years but anybody that needed something Saddam had, like oil, or money from oil, managed to deal with Saddam under the table. Clearly Saddam had been working on breaking down sanctions over the years and it was working. One thing you will almost never get is The UN agreeing 100% on anything. I totally agree, and if we had wanted to stop the back channel trading going on, we could have. Our embargo against Cuba has been near absolute for 50 years. Even a country as large and diverse as ours can act in a coherent willful way when it wants to. Often times though the powers that be will choose to just start a war. Really short-sighted and stupid behavior. But has the embargo worked? I've always thought that trade -- and the more the merrier -- is the best way to dismantle an enemy. It's hard to go to war with someone who's your best customer... I am not enough of a student of such things to say one economic solution for all, but anything is better than sending in the troops... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: MAPI store in Kansas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 5/25/06 4:10 PM, bob_brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So far, business has been somewhat slow at the Lawrence shop, Allen Reminick said. http://tinyurl.com/nhjfc Allen is a terrific Jyotishi. Actually gives you faith in the practice. BTW, if you read the article, tell me how you think they collect the butterfly pee. Tiny catheters? Maybe the same way they collect the goose 'berries'... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No yellow stars
In a message dated 5/25/06 4:18:24 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: One thing you will almost never get is The UN agreeing 100% on anything.I totally agree, and if we had wanted to stop the back channel trading going on, we could have. Our embargo against Cuba has been near absolute for 50 years. Even a country as large and diverse as ours can act in a coherent willful way when it wants to. Often times though the powers that be will choose to just start a war. Really short-sighted and stupid behavior. Stopping back channel trading with Saddam would have meant stopping corruption. I just doesn't happen, at least for long. Especially when it became evident thatso many countries were involved like Russia, Germany and France. I don't recall whether China was dealing under the table with Saddam or not. As for sanctions against Cuba, there has rarely, if ever, been 100% effectiveness in that either. The Soviets supported them along with other Communist countries. After the Fall of the Soviet union Cuba had it ruff for a while but has allowed tourism from Canada and Europe to thrive there. And Cubans/Americans have been sending dollars as well, just as Mexican immigrants send money home. Now Castro has Hugo and his oil and is stirring things up in Bolivia and alsois doing well with the Chinese. The Cuban boycott is only a political tool for Cuban/ American votes. The only economics sanctions that I can think of off hand that has worked in my life time is South Africa and the world was dealing with another democracy then. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No yellow stars
In a message dated 5/25/06 5:14:55 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: anything is better than sending in the troops... That's exactly what tyrants like to hear. Makes them feel safe and secure to proceed on with their tyranny. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: No yellow stars
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: The poor put-upon Iranian leadership and parliament. Wa- wa- wa. How could the evil West ever have done such an injustice to them? Of course, leave it to that other Bully Incarnate -- Billie Batts - - to be the first out of the starting gate to defend these promoters of mass-murder and terrorism. Billie, you really should educate what happened to the millions of Iraqis and Iranians who died under the leadership of both the Ayatollah Khumeini (who sent tens of thousands of 12- year- old boys to Paraside) and Saddam Hussein (whose unmentionable atrocities to both his own people and the Iranians are too numerous to list here). Dead is dead, whether by Saddam and the Ayatollah or Bush. Dead is dead is dead. Does it really matter who pulls the trigger? This Holier Than Thou attitude of those here in the US (or Canada) who would wage war to 'defend freedom' is such BS. To kill others in the name of lofty ideals does nothing except destroy those ideals, and cause incalculable suffering. Talk about a high horse. Anyone who thinks war is noble, justified or necessary in this day and age is sadly mistaken, imo. Never? Not, as you say above, necessary ever? We can come up with hypotheticals, such as a direct attack by Canada or Mexico, for example, 9/11 isn't a hypothetical. It actually happened. Unless, of course, you are a conspiracty theorist and believe it didn't happen at all... where a military response would be necessary, but I can't personally justify any military action taken by the US since WWII. So, the invasion of Afghanistan according to you wasn't justified. Nope. And by the way, under cover of war, the opium crop is gettying larger and larger all the time. Also, huge resurgence of the Taliban these days. Nope, waging war there sucked. Bad idea. I would imagine that if you felt the war in Afghanistan wasn't justified, you will NEVER find a war that is. At least you're consistent with your original statement. So you are against having a military at all? Practically speaking, some kind of deterrent force is necessary. To make it a centerpiece of our foreign policy is not ultimately or useful, though. We have a massively strong economy, with all kinds of possible leverage points available there. Look at China, they manage to bend us to their will without resorting to any military force, I think the Taiwanese would disagree with you. Also some students at a certain square in Beijing. How did that influence their relationship with the US? As I recall, it hurt it... purely as a result of wisely using economic leverage. Why can't we do the same? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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