[FairfieldLife] brsht br lhm t h shmm v t h rts
n m ndrstndng th ldst bbl hbrw mnscpts wld -- mtts mtds, LL -- lk smthng lk ths f trnsltrtd. Am I right or am I wrong? Example: hvl hvlm mr khlt hvl hvlm hkl hvl! (The only one I can remember, in addition to the one on the headline.) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM makes one more neurotically disturbed?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: [...] But at a certain point, Occam's razor comes into play; the different experience premise may multiply entities beyond necessity. The explanation that the TMers are experiencing the same thing as what is reported in the historical literature is simpler than one that posits two completely different types of experience that are described the same way. Ironically, I'm starting to suspect that there IS the possibility that different meditation techniques, rather than eventually inducing the same state, are actually inducing different states that can be described the same way. We finally agree on something. I would say that the number of possible 'states' to be measured is at least the same as the number of people being tested, and is probably higher, because each meditator is capable of producing multiple states. The desire to make it *seem* as if this is one state that can be measured with any accuracy is a factor of the belief system driving the research. That's what Maharishi wants to prove, so that's what the researchers are looking for. And when they look for something hard enough, and know that their ability to get strokes from their teacher is completely depen- dent on what it appears that they found, they tend to find exactly what Maharishi wanted found. I would say that the same phenomenon would be present in research on any technique of meditation in which the meditators were devoted practitioners of the technique being researched. They already know what they're hoping to find, and thus they find it. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Electro-Convulsive therapy anyone?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A whole group of us were in that boat. During our first group flying in the Dome at the end of our flying block, we all kicked back and watched everyone else, rather than leave when the time was up. Everyone ended up staring at this guy at the very front ofthe dome who floated for 20 minutes non-stop, ikidyounot! Everyone was convinced that this was the smoking gun of the sidhis. Like WOW! Years later, I returned to the Dome and noticed that the podium was on a raised platform with foam on it. Anyone who was hopping around on it would look, to anyone who was still sitting at the back of the dome, like they were FLOATING FOR 20 MINUTES NON-STOP, like WOW! Had any of us stood up during this floating session, we would have noticed what was going on. All of us chose to remain sitting, however. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the rest of my Yogic Flying block still believed 22 years later that they had really seen this guy floating for 20 minutes I suggest that you keep this story in mind when reviewing the TM scientific research. That, in my opinion, is the phenomenon that drives all too much of it. The researchers go into it convinced that they are going to find something that validates already-held beliefs. Therefore, they find it. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Electro-Convulsive therapy anyone?
That being said the woman saint that Maharishi brought with him to my TTC glowed like a light bulb. A sight I will never forget and have not seen since. Where was that? MMY asked Matananda Mai to go to Europe with him once, but she declined. If you are referring to Ananda Mayima it was the other way around. She did not want to part with Maharishi so she wanted to come with him to Switzerland, but seeing the huge following of her disciples, who could not part with her, he suggested that it was better she stayed in India. I've talked to people who saw them together, just sitting quietly on the floor holding hands, it was an amazing sight. When she left the body in 1982 Maharishi said; Now I'm really alone. According to Benjamin Creme, Ananda Mayima was an Avatar. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Price of gold during the big siddhis courses? : )
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Price of gold during the big siddhis courses? : )
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://images.collectors.com/coins/graphs/30yrau.jpg Since gold prices tend to rise during periods of international instability and crisis, you'd better hope that the peaks don't correspond to the course dates. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM makes one more neurotically disturbed?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would say that the same phenomenon would be present in research on any technique of meditation in which the meditators were devoted practitioners of the technique being researched. They already know what they're hoping to find, and thus they find it. That should have been: ...in which the *researchers* were devoted practitioners... I just don't understand why anyone would take research seriously that is undertaken by someone who obviously wants that research to turn out a certain way. Too much of the TM research is sadly in the same category as studies on smoking paid for by the tobacco industry. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: brsht br lhm t h shmm v t h rts
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: n m ndrstndng th ldst bbl hbrw mnscpts wld -- mtts mtds, LL -- lk smthng lk ths f trnsltrtd. Am I right or am I wrong? Example: hvl hvlm mr khlt hvl hvlm hkl hvl! (The only one I can remember, in addition to the one on the headline.) By the same token(?), the first verse of Rgveda would look like this: gnm l prhtm ygysy dvm rtvjm htrm rtndhtmm To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Price of gold during the big siddhis courses? : )
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: http://images.collectors.com/coins/graphs/30yrau.jpg Since gold prices tend to rise during periods of international instability and crisis, you'd better hope that the peaks don't correspond to the course dates. :-) Well, for myself and, I guess, some others in my siddhis course (1978/79) the times right after the course were amongst the most awful in my life. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Price of gold during the big siddhis courses? : )
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: http://images.collectors.com/coins/graphs/30yrau.jpg Since gold prices tend to rise during periods of international instability and crisis, you'd better hope that the peaks don't correspond to the course dates. :-) Well, for myself and, I guess, some others in my siddhis course (1978/79) the times right after the course were amongst the most awful in my life. That was just unstressing. Something good is happening. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hezbollah Lebanon
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: Client state has a special meaning. Ally is not the same as client state. Israel is a client-state of the US, more or less. *** I think you've got it backward -- it's the US that is a client state of Israel: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Israel_Lobby_and_U.S._Foreign_Policy Regardless of the religious realities, they need us more than we need them, I think... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Electro-Convulsive therapy anyone?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: A whole group of us were in that boat. During our first group flying in the Dome at the end of our flying block, we all kicked back and watched everyone else, rather than leave when the time was up. Everyone ended up staring at this guy at the very front ofthe dome who floated for 20 minutes non-stop, ikidyounot! Everyone was convinced that this was the smoking gun of the sidhis. Like WOW! Years later, I returned to the Dome and noticed that the podium was on a raised platform with foam on it. Anyone who was hopping around on it would look, to anyone who was still sitting at the back of the dome, like they were FLOATING FOR 20 MINUTES NON-STOP, like WOW! Had any of us stood up during this floating session, we would have noticed what was going on. All of us chose to remain sitting, however. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the rest of my Yogic Flying block still believed 22 years later that they had really seen this guy floating for 20 minutes I suggest that you keep this story in mind when reviewing the TM scientific research. That, in my opinion, is the phenomenon that drives all too much of it. The researchers go into it convinced that they are going to find something that validates already-held beliefs. Therefore, they find it. Thing is, I know several of the researchers. They're all true believers, but when they're wearing the hat of a researcher, they're a lot more skeptical than you seem to believe. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Electro-Convulsive therapy anyone?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That being said the woman saint that Maharishi brought with him to my TTC glowed like a light bulb. A sight I will never forget and have not seen since. Where was that? MMY asked Matananda Mai to go to Europe with him once, but she declined. If you are referring to Ananda Mayima it was the other way around. She did not want to part with Maharishi so she wanted to come with him to Switzerland, but seeing the huge following of her disciples, who could not part with her, he suggested that it was better she stayed in India. I've talked to people who saw them together, just sitting quietly on the floor holding hands, it was an amazing sight. When she left the body in 1982 Maharishi said; Now I'm really alone. According to Benjamin Creme, Ananda Mayima was an Avatar. Her official biography says it differently: MMY asked and she declined. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM makes one more neurotically disturbed?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: I would say that the same phenomenon would be present in research on any technique of meditation in which the meditators were devoted practitioners of the technique being researched. They already know what they're hoping to find, and thus they find it. That should have been: ...in which the *researchers* were devoted practitioners... I just don't understand why anyone would take research seriously that is undertaken by someone who obviously wants that research to turn out a certain way. Too much of the TM research is sadly in the same category as studies on smoking paid for by the tobacco industry. The TM researchers I know are a bit more skeptical than you seem to think. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] 'US Pundits say World War III started...'
A number of 'pundits' including Newt Gingrinch, have said that this escalation in Israel, is the beginning of WWIII. What do people think of this analysis? ? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Thinking from Transcendence
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip Vaj would call MMY a liar no matter *what* ashrama he'd said he was in, of course. MMY's damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. There is a delicious irony here; that Vaj, on the one hand, implied in a post recently that Maharishi was demonic, and, on the other, Vaj referred to himself as the 'devil's advocate' awhile back. So it appears that Vaj is closer to Maharishi than he openly admits! Pretty cool- go Vaj! I really don't see Maharishi, as being demonic; Quite the opposite; I see him more as the yogic light of the tradition of masters. Like a Holy light, which eminate from him, in all directions; The thousands of people he's touched throughout the world. Even John Lennon, spoke highly of Maharishi, in his last interview, The day before he was murdered. So, I feel, that Maharishi, has the vibration more of Shiva; That is a yogic light, that really chases the badness away. He is really too pure for many of his associates there in Holland. Which is why he is disappointed lately with the whole thing. But so many of the rich ones, had just kind of merged in with his desire for structure. So, it's the price you need to pay in exchange for money. The slave master, becomes the slave to them. So, he has to deal with the one's he's drawn around him now; The boriest group of people, on the face of the earth. Completely no Shakti, at all. Funny, Maharishi, with so much to give, Would surround himself, with such incompetents; Especially when it comes to publicity. So, lame, and behind the times. Still trying to prove something to somebody. Who cares. Just levitate already!! Just get something musical going on, that's relevant; Just because the Beatles, gave you a bad time; Doesn't mean that all 'hippies' are bad. And you need to surround yourself I mean the 'counter-culture, has it's place for TM. It will never really fit into the 'mainstream'. So, why try to fit into the mainstream, at all. Let's just be honest, Maharishi. What the hell, times a wasteing... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Electro-Convulsive therapy anyone?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 nablus108@ wrote: That being said the woman saint that Maharishi brought with him to my TTC glowed like a light bulb. A sight I will never forget and have not seen since. Where was that? MMY asked Matananda Mai to go to Europe with him once, but she declined. If you are referring to Ananda Mayima it was the other way around. She did not want to part with Maharishi so she wanted to come with him to Switzerland, but seeing the huge following of her disciples, who could not part with her, he suggested that it was better she stayed in India. I've talked to people who saw them together, just sitting quietly on the floor holding hands, it was an amazing sight. When she left the body in 1982 Maharishi said; Now I'm really alone. According to Benjamin Creme, Ananda Mayima was an Avatar. Her official biography says it differently: MMY asked and she declined. There are dozens of biograpies on her, which one do you reffer to ? I heard this from a fellow probably still on Purusha, he was there. It does not make sense that Maharishi would invite an indian saint to Europe knowing that hundreds of her disciples automatically would follow. Some of these disciples refused to leave her and travelled along with her all over India. She was very well known in India, having thousands of disciples and started ashrams all over the country. If you happen to go to Vrindavan you could drop by her ashram there, very strong athmosphere though in need of renovation. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] 'Light's- Camera's- Action, (take one productions, presents-MMY)
(snip) Funny, Maharishi, with so much to give, Would surround himself, with such incompetents; Especially when it comes to publicity. So, lame, and behind the times. Still trying to prove something to somebody. Who cares. Just levitate already!! Just get something musical going on, that's relevant; Just because the Beatles, gave you a bad time; Doesn't mean that all 'hippies' are bad. And you need to surround yourself I mean the 'counter-culture, has it's place for TM. It will never really fit into the 'mainstream'. So, why try to fit into the mainstream, at all. Except for Oprah, why not do Oprah, Oprah's into saving the world. Think about it; Bevan just doesn't get taken seriously, by anyone outside the fold of the Holland Maharishi Land. Outside here in the world, it doesn't fly, obviously. So, let's go... Let's publicize Maharishi, ourselves. Write you congressman. Write Hillary. Write Bill. Write Russ Feingold. Tell them Maharishi is approaching his 90's. And we need a good way to get the message out. Just a little push here, and a little pull there. Here and there and everywhere... We need one more big push. We need Maharishi to be piped into a large TV audience. Oprah, Dan Rather, Katie Couric, someone really big; Barbara Walters. He doesn't even have to leave his place there in Holland. It's all wired up to the whole world. 'Light's, Camera's, Action, take I...productionsjuly 2006... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] FW: Thoughts on what is going on in Israel
Title: FW: Thoughts on what is going on in Israel From a friend of mine. I havent even read the whole thing, but I thought it might be of interest here: I am sharing this with you. My sister, now vacationing in the US, sent it to me from friends of hers in Israel. These are such horrific times in Israel again made so much worse by the sympathy of much of the world for a people who wants to destroy the Jews of Israel and take possession of the land, with no intention or desire to negotiate a meaningful peace. Steve EMAIL CORRESPONDENCE NEWSLETTER - ISRAEL AT WAR JULY 2006 Dear Friends, Unfortunately Israel is at war. Fortunately Israel is at war. Better to face up to the enemy(Iran) now rather than later, when he is stronger. This is the opening of War against Iran, who are using their proxies the Hizbullah in Lebanon and the Hamas in the Palestine Authority to soften up Israel for the kill. There is no doubt at all that Iran intends to make good on its threats to destroy Israel and every Jew living there. There is no doubt at all that Iran will never be stopped by words alone, nor by economic sanctions if they ever take place. And Irans aim is to lead Islam to world domination. Israel is the beginning. For far too long we in Israel have been trying to find favor with the Western Powers particularly in Europe by practicing the policy of Restraint against Islamic/Palestinian Terror. To the extent of supporting Unilateral Disengagement, first from Lebanon in 2000 and then from Gaza last year. I confess that I was one of those supporting this policy of Israel leaving without any agreements not because I believed it would solve the 4,000 year war between the Arabs and the Jews, but because I was tired and weary of the loss of life amongst our soldiers and thought that this policy may give us a 5 to 10 year pause in the battle, enable us to rest for a while before the next round. The policy backfired as the Jihadi terrorists and their supporters in the Arab/Islam world saw our unilateral withdrawal from Lebanon and Gaza as an Islamic victory over Israel the brave Palestinians who proudly excel in murdering innocent civilians, forced Israel to retreat with our tail between our legs. (A majority of Moslems worldwide support the Palestinians, not in forming a Palestinian State alongside Israel but in forming a Palestinian State instead of Israel i.e. destroying Israel). The terrorists became ever bolder, and in the last week actually entered the borders of Israel from Gaza and from Lebanon, and on our own undisputed soil ambushed our soldiers guarding the borders killing 8 soldiers and kidnapping another 3. This was the wake-up call, even for the most left-wing liberals in Israel. Such actions are the same as a declaration of War, and demand a very severe reaction from Israel. The policy of Restraint ( turning the other cheek, understanding poor Arafat or Abu Mazen and now the moderate wing of the Hamas in the Gaza Strip) has led only to more and more severe attacks against us, and has become bankrupt. The Arabs and Iranian Jihadists believe that Israel is tired of fighting (correct), and can be forced by terrorism into making more and more political concessions without getting anything in return from the Palestinians (this was correct until this week). The Arabs believe that the Israelis can be defeated on the battlefield by changing the rules of the game whereby the Palestinians are not able to control their many terrorist organizations operating against Israel, whereas the Israelis are expected NOT to react in kind, not to use our strengths and definitely not to indulge in what the French and Europeans love to call disproportionate warfare to Palestinian Terror. In other words, when the Palestinians killed 20 Israelis in a homicide bombing at a restaurant in 2003, Israel was expected to react responsibly and not attack the terrorists because they were holed up in a mosque or a hospital or even in their family homes. If we did attack them, and any civilians were killed in the cross-fire, this was considered to be a disproportionate reaction by Israel and worthy of the same degree of condemnation as the actions of the Palestinians who actually set out to kill innocent Israeli civilians. Well, I hope our leaders have finally come to their senses. We need to go after the terrorists and their leaders, no matter who they are and where they are. We need to kill them. Before they kill us. And if there is any collateral damage caused by Israeli pursuit of the terrorists, well thats just too bad. Palestinians should know not to associate with terrorists, not to allow them freedom of movement and most of all NOT to vote terrorists into power, as the Palestinian population did with Hamas. When 70% of the Palestinians support the deliberate policy of killing innocent civilians in Israel, then that population should not complain when some are accidentally killed and injured by Israel
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Electro-Convulsive therapy anyone?
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Electro-Convulsive therapy anyone? on 7/17/06 1:17 AM, nablus108 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That being said the woman saint that Maharishi brought with him to my TTC glowed like a light bulb. A sight I will never forget and have not seen since. Where was that? MMY asked Matananda Mai to go to Europe with him once, but she declined. If you are referring to Ananda Mayima it was the other way around. She did not want to part with Maharishi so she wanted to come with him to Switzerland, but seeing the huge following of her disciples, who could not part with her, he suggested that it was better she stayed in India. Are you sure youre not talking about Yogananda? The very same story is told in his autobiography. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM makes one more neurotically disturbed?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: [...] But at a certain point, Occam's razor comes into play; the different experience premise may multiply entities beyond necessity. The explanation that the TMers are experiencing the same thing as what is reported in the historical literature is simpler than one that posits two completely different types of experience that are described the same way. Ironically, I'm starting to suspect that there IS the possibility that different meditation techniques, rather than eventually inducing the same state, are actually inducing different states that can be described the same way. How could there possibly be more than one state with no attributes? PHysiological state may not be exactly the same as mental state. PTSD-related rerealization can sound just like TM-style enlightenment, for example, but there appear to be radically different brain mechanisms behind them. Yes, but neither derealization nor TM-style enlightenment is a state with no attributes, since both include the ordinary waking state (and in the case of derealization, that may be *all* that's included). I'm talking *only* about transcendental consciousness by itself. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM makes one more neurotically disturbed?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: [...] But at a certain point, Occam's razor comes into play; the different experience premise may multiply entities beyond necessity. The explanation that the TMers are experiencing the same thing as what is reported in the historical literature is simpler than one that posits two completely different types of experience that are described the same way. Ironically, I'm starting to suspect that there IS the possibility that different meditation techniques, rather than eventually inducing the same state, are actually inducing different states that can be described the same way. We finally agree on something. I would say that the number of possible 'states' to be measured is at least the same as the number of people being tested, and is probably higher, because each meditator is capable of producing multiple states. The desire to make it *seem* as if this is one state that can be measured with any accuracy is a factor of the belief system driving the research. Of course, what I'm saying doesn't contradict your notion (whether it's true or not). But what *you're* saying is self-contradictory if you're including transcendental-consciousness-by- itself. Once again, your eagerness to bash MMY and TMers has led you to ignore the context and as a result come up with utter nonsense. That's what Maharishi wants to prove, so that's what the researchers are looking for. And when they look for something hard enough, and know that their ability to get strokes from their teacher is completely depen- dent on what it appears that they found, they tend to find exactly what Maharishi wanted found. I would say that the same phenomenon would be present in research on any technique of meditation in which the meditators were devoted practitioners of the technique being researched. They already know what they're hoping to find, and thus they find it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Electro-Convulsive therapy anyone?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: A whole group of us were in that boat. During our first group flying in the Dome at the end of our flying block, we all kicked back and watched everyone else, rather than leave when the time was up. Everyone ended up staring at this guy at the very front ofthe dome who floated for 20 minutes non-stop, ikidyounot! Everyone was convinced that this was the smoking gun of the sidhis. Like WOW! Years later, I returned to the Dome and noticed that the podium was on a raised platform with foam on it. Anyone who was hopping around on it would look, to anyone who was still sitting at the back of the dome, like they were FLOATING FOR 20 MINUTES NON-STOP, like WOW! Had any of us stood up during this floating session, we would have noticed what was going on. All of us chose to remain sitting, however. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the rest of my Yogic Flying block still believed 22 years later that they had really seen this guy floating for 20 minutes I suggest that you keep this story in mind when reviewing the TM scientific research. That, in my opinion, is the phenomenon that drives all too much of it. The researchers go into it convinced that they are going to find something that validates already-held beliefs. Therefore, they find it. Actually, TM researchers and research are quite real, so there's no call for the scare quotes. As it happens, what you claim is the case with TM scientific research is the case with a great deal of non-TM scientific research as well. That's why science has a system for validating research. The original researchers present their conclusions to the scientific community via peer- reviewed publication, whereupon other researchers have the opportunity to stand up and see whether the first researchers have missed something important. *Any* research--not just that performed by TMers-- is subject to this reviewing process and remains in a kind of scientific limbo until it's completed. The possibility of the kind of bias you describe should be kept in mind for *all* research--not just that by TM researchers--that has not gone through the process. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM makes one more neurotically disturbed?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: I would say that the same phenomenon would be present in research on any technique of meditation in which the meditators were devoted practitioners of the technique being researched. They already know what they're hoping to find, and thus they find it. That should have been: ...in which the *researchers* were devoted practitioners... I just don't understand why anyone would take research seriously that is undertaken by someone who obviously wants that research to turn out a certain way. Too much of the TM research is sadly in the same category as studies on smoking paid for by the tobacco industry. Again, a great deal of scientific research is undertaken by those who would like it to come out a certain way. Until it's been published in a peer-reviewed journal and evaluated by the scientific community, *no* research should be taken seriously. But just as research that hasn't gone through this process should not be assumed to be valid, so it should not be assumed *not* to be valid. Somehow I have the feeling that you would take research concluding that TM isn't effective or has awful negative side-effects quite seriously even if it hasn't yet gone through the reviewing process. It wouldn't even cross your mind to ask whether the researchers wanted it to come out a certain way. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Electro-Convulsive therapy anyone?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 nablus108@ wrote: That being said the woman saint that Maharishi brought with him to my TTC glowed like a light bulb. A sight I will never forget and have not seen since. Where was that? MMY asked Matananda Mai to go to Europe with him once, but she declined. If you are referring to Ananda Mayima it was the other way around. She did not want to part with Maharishi so she wanted to come with him to Switzerland, but seeing the huge following of her disciples, who could not part with her, he suggested that it was better she stayed in India. I've talked to people who saw them together, just sitting quietly on the floor holding hands, it was an amazing sight. When she left the body in 1982 Maharishi said; Now I'm really alone. According to Benjamin Creme, Ananda Mayima was an Avatar. Her official biography says it differently: MMY asked and she declined. There are dozens of biograpies on her, which one do you reffer to ? I heard this from a fellow probably still on Purusha, he was there. It does not make sense that Maharishi would invite an indian saint to Europe knowing that hundreds of her disciples automatically would follow. Some of these disciples refused to leave her and travelled along with her all over India. She was very well known in India, having thousands of disciples and started ashrams all over the country. If you happen to go to Vrindavan you could drop by her ashram there, very strong athmosphere though in need of renovation. There's a website that is allegedly her fficial website. Has the timeline of her life. It mentions MMY. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Electro-Convulsive therapy anyone?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thing is, I know several of the researchers. They're all true believers, but when they're wearing the hat of a researcher, they're a lot more skeptical than you seem to believe. I defer to your experience. I suspect that some of the TM-related research is strong, but I also suspect that some of it is laughably weak. I'm only speaking to the mindset of true believer posing as dispassionate scientist. If you're looking for something to validate your own strongly-held belief system, the tendency is to find it. On the other hand, there are research projects that turn out to have real researchers manning them, who are not afraid to admit it when their assumptions turn out to be wrong. I'm thinking of the recent long-term study on the power of prayer with regard to healing. The researchers expected to find a correlation between being prayed for and faster healing; in fact they found that either there was no correlation, or in some cases, the people being prayed for got worse or healed more slowly than statistics say they should have. I'd feel better about the TM research if there were a few more of those kinds of studies, along the lines of, We expected to find X positive result and didn't find it. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: Thoughts on what is going on in Israel
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From a friend of mine. I haven't even read the whole thing, but I thought it might be of interest here: I couldn't get past the first paragraph. I've never developed a taste for insanity as literature. Unfortunately Israel is at war. Fortunately Israel is at war. Better to face up to the enemy(Iran) now rather than later, when he is stronger. This is the opening of War against Iran, who are using their proxies -- the Hizbullah in Lebanon and the Hamas in the Palestine Authority Ë to soften up Israel for the kill. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM makes one more neurotically disturbed?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: [...] But at a certain point, Occam's razor comes into play; the different experience premise may multiply entities beyond necessity. The explanation that the TMers are experiencing the same thing as what is reported in the historical literature is simpler than one that posits two completely different types of experience that are described the same way. Ironically, I'm starting to suspect that there IS the possibility that different meditation techniques, rather than eventually inducing the same state, are actually inducing different states that can be described the same way. How could there possibly be more than one state with no attributes? PHysiological state may not be exactly the same as mental state. PTSD-related rerealization can sound just like TM-style enlightenment, for example, but there appear to be radically different brain mechanisms behind them. Yes, but neither derealization nor TM-style enlightenment is a state with no attributes, since both include the ordinary waking state (and in the case of derealization, that may be *all* that's included). I'm talking *only* about transcendental consciousness by itself. There are plenty of scenarios where any number of states might have no qualities that one can remember. If you can't remember any qualities, than its a state without qualities. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'US Pundits say World War III started...'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A number of 'pundits' including Newt Gingrinch, have said that this escalation in Israel, is the beginning of WWIII. What do people think of this analysis? ? Its out with the fairies. Uns. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM makes one more neurotically disturbed?
--- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are plenty of scenarios where any number of states might have no qualities that one can remember. If you can't remember any qualities, than its a state without qualities. And pure consciousness has no qualities. It is outside of the mind. The mind can only appreciate pure consciousness as emptiness. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Electro-Convulsive therapy anyone?
I suspect that some of the TM-related research is strong, but I also suspect that some of it is laughably weak. And your scientific rationale for this fundamentalist belief is??? ..answer: fundamentalist prejudice...just like the Bush and the fundie christians when it comes to global warming. No science behind your ego-driven, medieval views. There are many studies even recent published in peer-reviewed journals. Of cours any studies on some other guru technique etc. you will accept without question. Truth is the TM researchers are stricter than most researchers because they know they will be scrutinised more. In fact, when any independent researcher has taken the data on TM and analysed it they get very positive results, and then if the TM scientists anaylze the same stuff they get lesser results. Every single time. Your prejudice against science and touting your own personal opinion over science stinks like rotton eggs, and will be lumped in the same boat as the arrogance of the fundie fanatic christians and other uneducated slobs. Any scientist today respects the TM research. OffWorld Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hezbollah Lebanon
In a message dated 7/16/06 10:31:28 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Spair, Syria and Iran have had strong ties for decades now and Syria has been a strong backer of Hezbollah since they invaded Lebanon."Client state" has a special meaning. Ally is not the same as "client state."Israel is a client-state of the US, more or less. Iraq and Iran were client states of the USSR, as was Cuba. Lebanon may be someone's client state these days, but I doubt if Syira and Iran have that kind of relationship. Only Fox News commentators seem to use the term in that context. I'm not referring to client states. Syria actually controlled Lebanon for many years.The Syrian army was thereto enforce law and keep the peace because in effect there was no democratically elected Lebanese government up until recently. Syria, all these years gave Hezbollah virtually free reign in Lebanon and left them in charge of southern Lebanon and other partswhen they had to pack up and leave. Hezbollah has offices in Damacus. The link between Iran, Syria and Hezbollah is very strong. And Iraq used to be a link in that chain that was on that pit bull, Hezbollah, as well. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: Thoughts on what is going on in Israel
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: From a friend of mine. I haven't even read the whole thing, but I thought it might be of interest here: I couldn't get past the first paragraph. I've never developed a taste for insanity as literature. I knew it! You DON'T actually read what you write, you just DO IT. :) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Electro-Convulsive therapy anyone?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I suspect that some of the TM-related research is strong, but I also suspect that some of it is laughably weak. And your scientific rationale for this fundamentalist belief is??? ..answer: fundamentalist prejudice...just like the Bush and the fundie christians when it comes to global warming. No science behind your ego-driven, medieval views. There are many studies even recent published in peer-reviewed journals. Of cours any studies on some other guru technique etc. you will accept without question. Truth is the TM researchers are stricter than most researchers because they know they will be scrutinised more. In fact, when any independent researcher has taken the data on TM and analysed it they get very positive results, and then if the TM scientists anaylze the same stuff they get lesser results. Every single time. Your prejudice against science and touting your own personal opinion over science stinks like rotton eggs, and will be lumped in the same boat as the arrogance of the fundie fanatic christians and other uneducated slobs. Any scientist today respects the TM research. That last statement is as laughable as saying, There are people who think Off World is sane. :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] FW: Thoughts on what is going on in Israel
In a message dated 7/17/06 6:30:37 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From a friend of mine. I haven’t even read the whole thing, but I thought it might be of interest here: I am sharing this with you. My sister, now vacationing in the US, sent it to me from friends of hers in Israel. These are such horrific times in Israel again made so much worse by the sympathy of much of the world for a people who wants to destroy the Jews of Israel and take possession of the land, with no intention or desire to negotiate a meaningful peace. SteveEMAIL CORRESPONDENCE NEWSLETTER - ISRAEL AT WAR JULY 2006 Dear Friends,Unfortunately Israel is at war. Fortunately Israel is at war.Better to face up to the enemy(Iran) now rather than later, when he is stronger.This is the opening of War against Iran, who are using their proxies ˆ the Hizbullah in Lebanon and the Hamas in the Palestine Authority ˆ to „soften up‰ Israel for the kill.There is no doubt at all that Iran intends to make good on its threats to destroy Israel and every Jew living there. There is no doubt at all that Iran will never be stopped by words alone, nor by economic sanctions if they ever take place. And Iran‚s aim is to lead Islam to world domination. Israel is the beginning.For far too long we in Israel have been trying to find favor with the Western Powers ˆ particularly in Europe ˆ by practicing the policy of „Restraint‰ against Islamic/Palestinian Terror. To the extent of supporting ŒUnilateral Disengagement‚, first from Lebanon in 2000 and then from Gaza last year. I confess that I was one of those supporting this policy of Israel leaving without any agreements ˆ not because I believed it would solve the 4,000 year war between the Arabs and the Jews, but because I was tired and weary of the loss of life amongst our soldiers and thought that this policy may give us a 5 to 10 year pause in the battle, enable us to rest for a while before the Œnext round‚. The policy backfired as the Jihadi terrorists and their supporters in the Arab/Islam world saw our unilateral withdrawal from Lebanon and Gaza as an Islamic victory over Israel ˆ the „brave Palestinians‰ who proudly excel in murdering innocent civilians, forced Israel to retreat with our tail between our legs. (A majority of Moslems worldwide support the Palestinians, not in forming a Palestinian State alongside Israel but in forming a Palestinian State instead of Israel ˆ i.e. destroying Israel).The terrorists became ever bolder, and in the last week actually entered the borders of Israel from Gaza and from Lebanon, and on our own Œundisputed‚ soil ambushed our soldiers guarding the borders ˆ killing 8 soldiers and kidnapping another 3.This was the wake-up call, even for the most left-wing liberals in Israel. Such actions are the same as a declaration of War, and demand a very severe reaction from Israel. The policy of Restraint ( turning the other cheek, Œunderstanding Œpoor Arafat or Abu Mazen ˆand now the Œmoderate wing‚ of the Hamas in the Gaza Strip) has led only to more and more severe attacks against us, and has become bankrupt.The Arabs and Iranian Jihadists believe that Israel is tired of fighting (correct), and can be forced by terrorism into making more and more political concessions without getting anything in return from the Palestinians (this was correct until this week). The Arabs believe that the Israelis can be defeated on the battlefield by changing the rules of the game ˆ whereby the Palestinians „are not able‰ to control their many terrorist organizations operating against Israel, whereas the Israelis are expected NOT to react in kind, not to use our strengths and definitely not to indulge in what the French and Europeans love to call „disproportionate warfare‰ to Palestinian Terror.In other words, when the Palestinians killed 20 Israelis in a homicide bombing at a restaurant in 2003, Israel was expected to react „responsibly‰ and not attack the terrorists because they were holed up in a mosque or a hospital or even in their family homes. If we did attack them, and any civilians were killed in the cross-fire, this was considered to be „a disproportionate reaction‰ by Israel ˆ and worthy of the same degree of condemnation as the actions of the Palestinians who actually set out to kill innocent Israeli civilians.Well, I hope our leaders have finally come to their senses. We need to go after the terrorists and their leaders, no matter who they are and where they are. We need to kill them. Before they kill us. And if there is any collateral damage caused by Israeli pursuit of the terrorists, well that‚s just too bad. Palestinians should know not to associate with terrorists, not to allow them freedom of movement ˆ and most of all NOT to vote
[FairfieldLife] Re: Electro-Convulsive therapy anyone?
Good find. Did you check out the videos? http://www.anandamayi.org/mmedia/avi/8d.htm --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 nablus108@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 nablus108@ wrote: That being said the woman saint that Maharishi brought with him to my TTC glowed like a light bulb. A sight I will never forget and have not seen since. Where was that? MMY asked Matananda Mai to go to Europe with him once, but she declined. If you are referring to Ananda Mayima it was the other way around. She did not want to part with Maharishi so she wanted to come with him to Switzerland, but seeing the huge following of her disciples, who could not part with her, he suggested that it was better she stayed in India. I've talked to people who saw them together, just sitting quietly on the floor holding hands, it was an amazing sight. When she left the body in 1982 Maharishi said; Now I'm really alone. According to Benjamin Creme, Ananda Mayima was an Avatar. Her official biography says it differently: MMY asked and she declined. There are dozens of biograpies on her, which one do you reffer to ? I heard this from a fellow probably still on Purusha, he was there. It does not make sense that Maharishi would invite an indian saint to Europe knowing that hundreds of her disciples automatically would follow. Some of these disciples refused to leave her and travelled along with her all over India. She was very well known in India, having thousands of disciples and started ashrams all over the country. If you happen to go to Vrindavan you could drop by her ashram there, very strong athmosphere though in need of renovation. There's a website that is allegedly her fficial website. Has the timeline of her life. It mentions MMY. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] FW: Thoughts on what is going on in Israel
The attitude reflected in this article is what is destroying Israel. You can not fight madmen by becoming mad yourself. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/17/06 6:30:37 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From a friend of mine. I havenât even read the whole thing, but I thought it might be of interest here: I am sharing this with you. My sister, now vacationing in the US, sent it to me from friends of hers in Israel. These are such horrific times in Israel again made so much worse by the sympathy of much of the world for a people who wants to destroy the Jews of Israel and take possession of the land, with no intention or desire to negotiate a meaningful peace. Steve EMAIL CORRESPONDENCE NEWSLETTER - ISRAEL AT WAR JULY 2006 Dear Friends, Unfortunately Israel is at war. Fortunately Israel is at war. Better to face up to the enemy(Iran) now rather than later, when he is stronger. This is the opening of War against Iran, who are using their proxies Ë the Hizbullah in Lebanon and the Hamas in the Palestine Authority Ë to âsoften upâ° Israel for the kill. There is no doubt at all that Iran intends to make good on its threats to destroy Israel and every Jew living there. There is no doubt at all that Iran will never be stopped by words alone, nor by economic sanctions if they ever take place. And Iranâs aim is to lead Islam to world domination. Israel is the beginning. For far too long we in Israel have been trying to find favor with the Western Powers Ë particularly in Europe Ë by practicing the policy of âRestraintâ° against Islamic/Palestinian Terror. To the extent of supporting ÅUnilateral Disengagementâ, first from Lebanon in 2000 and then from Gaza last year. I confess that I was one of those supporting this policy of Israel leaving without any agreements Ë not because I believed it would solve the 4,000 year war between the Arabs and the Jews, but because I was tired and weary of the loss of life amongst our soldiers and thought that this policy may give us a 5 to 10 year pause in the battle, enable us to rest for a while before the Å next roundâ. The policy backfired as the Jihadi terrorists and their supporters in the Arab/Islam world saw our unilateral withdrawal from Lebanon and Gaza as an Islamic victory over Israel Ë the âbrave Palestiniansâ° who proudly excel in murdering innocent civilians, forced Israel to retreat with our tail between our legs. (A majority of Moslems worldwide support the Palestinians, not in forming a Palestinian State alongside Israel but in forming a Palestinian State instead of Israel Ë i.e. destroying Israel). The terrorists became ever bolder, and in the last week actually entered the borders of Israel from Gaza and from Lebanon, and on our own Åundisputedâ soil ambushed our soldiers guarding the borders Ë killing 8 soldiers and kidnapping another 3. This was the wake-up call, even for the most left-wing liberals in Israel. Such actions are the same as a declaration of War, and demand a very severe reaction from Israel. The policy of Restraint ( turning the other cheek, Å understanding Åpoor Arafat or Abu Mazen Ëand now the Åmoderate wingâ of the Hamas in the Gaza Strip) has led only to more and more severe attacks against us, and has become bankrupt. The Arabs and Iranian Jihadists believe that Israel is tired of fighting (correct), and can be forced by terrorism into making more and more political concessions without getting anything in return from the Palestinians (this was correct until this week). The Arabs believe that the Israelis can be defeated on the battlefield by changing the rules of the game Ë whereby the Palestinians âare not ableâ° to control their many terrorist organizations operating against Israel, whereas the Israelis are expected NOT to react in kind, not to use our strengths and definitely not to indulge in what the French and Europeans love to call âdisproportionate warfareâ° to Palestinian Terror. In other words, when the Palestinians killed 20 Israelis in a homicide bombing at a restaurant in 2003, Israel was expected to react âresponsiblyâ° and not attack the terrorists because they were holed up in a mosque or a hospital or even in their family homes. If we did attack them, and any civilians were killed in the cross-fire, this was considered to be âa disproportionate reactionâ° by Israel Ë and worthy of the same degree of condemnation as the actions of the Palestinians who actually set out to kill innocent Israeli civilians. Well, I hope our leaders have finally come to their senses. We need to go after the terrorists and their leaders, no matter who they are and where they are. We need
[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: Thoughts on what is going on in Israel
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: From a friend of mine. I haven't even read the whole thing, but I thought it might be of interest here: I couldn't get past the first paragraph. I've never developed a taste for insanity as literature. on the other hand you have a good taste for porn literature. :) j/k Unfortunately Israel is at war. Fortunately Israel is at war. Better to face up to the enemy(Iran) now rather than later, when he is stronger. This is the opening of War against Iran, who are using their proxies -- the Hizbullah in Lebanon and the Hamas in the Palestine Authority Ë to soften up Israel for the kill. I wonder where Israelis got such a notion that Iran is an enemy. any idea there, Barry ? Also I wonder what French people would think about a country that explicitly would say that it intends to wipe France out of the face of the earth? total imaginary question, i agree, but maybe you can leap help us with that? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Electro-Convulsive therapy anyone?
When SSRS was about 12 years old MMY brought him to see Anandamayi Ma. SSRS says that she kept on refering to him in the female tense and he didn't know why. --- curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good find. Did you check out the videos? http://www.anandamayi.org/mmedia/avi/8d.htm --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 nablus108@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 nablus108@ wrote: That being said the woman saint that Maharishi brought with him to my TTC glowed like a light bulb. A sight I will never forget and have not seen since. Where was that? MMY asked Matananda Mai to go to Europe with him once, but she declined. If you are referring to Ananda Mayima it was the other way around. She did not want to part with Maharishi so she wanted to come with him to Switzerland, but seeing the huge following of her disciples, who could not part with her, he suggested that it was better she stayed in India. I've talked to people who saw them together, just sitting quietly on the floor holding hands, it was an amazing sight. When she left the body in 1982 Maharishi said; Now I'm really alone. According to Benjamin Creme, Ananda Mayima was an Avatar. Her official biography says it differently: MMY asked and she declined. There are dozens of biograpies on her, which one do you reffer to ? I heard this from a fellow probably still on Purusha, he was there. It does not make sense that Maharishi would invite an indian saint to Europe knowing that hundreds of her disciples automatically would follow. Some of these disciples refused to leave her and travelled along with her all over India. She was very well known in India, having thousands of disciples and started ashrams all over the country. If you happen to go to Vrindavan you could drop by her ashram there, very strong athmosphere though in need of renovation. There's a website that is allegedly her fficial website. Has the timeline of her life. It mentions MMY. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'US Pundits say World War III started...'
Which kind of pandit is Newt Gingrich?uns_tressor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" babajii_99@... wrote: A number of 'pundits' including Newt Gingrinch, have said that this escalation in Israel, is the beginning of WWIII. What do people think of this analysis? ? Its out with the fairies. Uns. -Fight back spam! Download the Blue Frog.http://www.bluesecurity.com/register/s?user=emJhc2VsbGk5MDk4 Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Electro-Convulsive therapy anyone?
1968? Sounds early. There is more to the story, n'est pas?? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When SSRS was about 12 years old MMY brought him to see Anandamayi Ma. SSRS says that she kept on refering to him in the female tense and he didn't know why. --- curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good find. Did you check out the videos? http://www.anandamayi.org/mmedia/avi/8d.htm --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 nablus108@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 nablus108@ wrote: That being said the woman saint that Maharishi brought with him to my TTC glowed like a light bulb. A sight I will never forget and have not seen since. Where was that? MMY asked Matananda Mai to go to Europe with him once, but she declined. If you are referring to Ananda Mayima it was the other way around. She did not want to part with Maharishi so she wanted to come with him to Switzerland, but seeing the huge following of her disciples, who could not part with her, he suggested that it was better she stayed in India. I've talked to people who saw them together, just sitting quietly on the floor holding hands, it was an amazing sight. When she left the body in 1982 Maharishi said; Now I'm really alone. According to Benjamin Creme, Ananda Mayima was an Avatar. Her official biography says it differently: MMY asked and she declined. There are dozens of biograpies on her, which one do you reffer to ? I heard this from a fellow probably still on Purusha, he was there. It does not make sense that Maharishi would invite an indian saint to Europe knowing that hundreds of her disciples automatically would follow. Some of these disciples refused to leave her and travelled along with her all over India. She was very well known in India, having thousands of disciples and started ashrams all over the country. If you happen to go to Vrindavan you could drop by her ashram there, very strong athmosphere though in need of renovation. There's a website that is allegedly her fficial website. Has the timeline of her life. It mentions MMY. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: Thoughts on what is going on in Israel
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The attitude reflected in this article is what is destroying Israel. You can not fight madmen by becoming mad yourself. That's it, exactly. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Thoughts from a friend
Title: Thoughts from a friend I had this thought this morning. You remember how it was in those early days? Just meditate and go to God as quick as possible. I think we were growing strong and we were actually gaining the 200%.. MMY had control over the spiritual because he was our teacher. But he didn't have any control over the other 100% of our regular lives. We were all growing in our own directions, with our own likes and dislikes, our own priorities. Some of our cherished leaders in the movement were starting to question some of MMY's decisions. They had to be shuttled aside (read dumped). And I loved some of those guys -- the Charlies and Jerrys . . . even the Depak. If there were other directions from strong credible people . . . control would be lost. The siddhis was the door to getting control over the direction of our material, relative lives. You know, the transcendental reaching out into the relative -- right into our lives and into our pocketbooks. ;-) But, with the siddhis came the government (the world government) and the kings and into organizing every aspect of our lives and community. Grabbing hold of all aspects of our lives to shape them in the direction the movement wanted to go and not necessarily what we would all want. That was the whole addition that came after the siddhis, control of the relative lives of the meditators. Now, tell me that isn't DEEP! 8-) (Yes, deep, but is it heresy yet?) __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Electro-Convulsive therapy anyone?
Peter, If the stories on her Website are accurate, her confusion doesn't surprise me. I found her descent into madness chronicled on her site completely riveting. Of course I understand that others may see the divine hand at work instead of a mental illness. Funny to think how she would have been treated in this culture with her symptoms. She may have sustained neurological damage early on if this story is true from her site: A daughter earlier born to Mokhshadasundari died prematurely. With that tragedy in mind Mokhshada [Grandma (Didima) to the devotees] took the newborn MA before a Tulsi sapling installed in the house in the morning and rolled the infant over and over on the ground. The ritual was repeated every day for eighteen months. When MA grew up, she did it all by herself'- an infant god frolicking in front of her other self, symbolised by the Tulsi. But with this experience she would be off to a facility for sure: 1926 Thus passed the days at Shahbag. She would start a job, say, the offering of the cooked food to the deity and would stop midway becoming as still as a stone. This might happen during the household work or cooking, regardless of the heat from the blazing oven scorching her body. She would lie prostrate for hours unmindful of the rows of ants biting into her flesh. She would walk around at night through bushes and boughs unafraid of snakes or reptiles. Yet, her face would glow with a smile, her body with radiance. The site is full of this kind of story interpreted through the rosy glasses of her divine nature. Her experiences remind me of the three people I knew personally at MIU who became afflicted with Schizophrenia. (The college age group is particularly vulnerable to this disease isn't it?) One was taken over by divine rapture and refused to leave his room for days. Fortunately for him he was taken for treatment instead of being worshiped. Under the grip of this illness my friends took on an appearance of divine ecstasy or extreme pain and their eyes gleamed with intensity It was completely unnerving to be in their presence, but with the right mindset and belief system I can see how people could respond differently. Would Ma have been better off on some psych drug? That is a tough one isn't it? One friend whose progress I tracked through the years was constantly going off his meds because the sensations of the illness were so compelling for him. It is tough to give up divine rapture for functionality in daily life. The fact that he was tormented by his illness was also clear. There was no reasonable position that would allow him to just stay off the drugs. What a shitty dilemma life handed him and his poor family. Interpreting Ma's inability to even feed herself at times as divine forgetfulness is kind of a charming alternative to seeing her condition clinically. Or maybe autism was at play? Since I am giving a medical diagnosis on the basis of stories, what that hell, I might as well throw that one in also! Who knows. Instead of wandering the streets as she might have ended up here, she had a rich full life with people catering to her every whim. This is a fascinating life viewed from any perspective isn't it? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When SSRS was about 12 years old MMY brought him to see Anandamayi Ma. SSRS says that she kept on refering to him in the female tense and he didn't know why. --- curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good find. Did you check out the videos? http://www.anandamayi.org/mmedia/avi/8d.htm --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 nablus108@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 nablus108@ wrote: That being said the woman saint that Maharishi brought with him to my TTC glowed like a light bulb. A sight I will never forget and have not seen since. Where was that? MMY asked Matananda Mai to go to Europe with him once, but she declined. If you are referring to Ananda Mayima it was the other way around. She did not want to part with Maharishi so she wanted to come with him to Switzerland, but seeing the huge following of her disciples, who could not part with her, he suggested that it was better she stayed in India. I've talked to people who saw them together, just sitting quietly on the floor holding hands, it was an amazing sight. When she left the body in 1982 Maharishi said; Now I'm really alone. According to Benjamin Creme, Ananda Mayima was an Avatar. Her official biography says it
Re: [FairfieldLife] 'US Pundits say World War III started...'
On Jul 17, 2006, at 6:21 AM, Robert Gimbel wrote:A number of 'pundits' including Newt Gingrinch, have said that this escalation in Israel, is the beginning of WWIII. What do people think of this analysis? ? There was a famous high Lama from Tibet here in the US on Sept. 11, 2001. They just happened to have the TV on when the planes hit the world trade buildings and he commented then "This is the beginning of WW 3". His students immediately asked him to not say any more, because being omniscient, what he said always came true.It could very well be the beginning of WW 3. But what they're not telling us is that this war IS a religious war. Also consider this: the Russians are not on our side, nor is China. And we have a large part of our economy tied up in China since they let us use their slave labor.If you'd like I'll repost the article on what this lama said and what the Kalachakra prophecies say (it's by his translator). It's not for the faint of heart, the PC or those who think all religions are good, some just have a few bad apples. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FW: Thoughts on what is going on in Israel
TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From a friend of mine. I haven't even read the whole thing, but I thought it might be of interest here: I couldn't get past the first paragraph. I've never developed a taste for insanity as literature. Unfortunately Israel is at war. Fortunately Israel is at war. Better to face up to the enemy(Iran) now rather than later, when he is stronger. This is the opening of War against Iran, who are using their proxies -- the Hizbullah in Lebanon and the Hamas in the Palestine Authority ˆ to soften up Israel for the kill. War is the product of an adolescent mind. The world needs to be run by grown-ups not children. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] 'US Pundits say World War III started...'
Robert Gimbel wrote: A number of 'pundits' including Newt Gingrinch, have said that this escalation in Israel, is the beginning of WWIII. What do people think of this analysis? ? Gingrinch sees it as a way for the Republicans to keep their seats in November (while the rest of the world loses its ass). Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] FW: Thoughts on what is going on in Israel
In a message dated 7/17/06 10:47:39 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The attitude reflected in this article is what isdestroying Israel. You can not fight madmen bybecoming mad yourself. However M did say once, "if your neighbor can not be quiet out of love and respect, let him be quiet out of fear." First symposium on the Science of Creative Intelligence, June 1971 , Amherst Massachusetts. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FW: Thoughts on what is going on in Israel
In a message dated 7/17/06 10:59:35 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The attitude reflected in this article is what is destroying Israel. You can not fight madmen by becoming mad yourself. That's it, exactly. Not that I see Israel as being "mad", but what is your solution? __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Voodoo TM or TM Program...which do YOU practise?
Here's the point: Photographs aside, a critical thinker will ask if there is any evidence that anyone has ever levitated. There is not. No one is going to levitate either, I'm asserting. It's all more BS from the TMO. Those who believe that levitation is happening or will happen are probably those who accept everything that MMY says, without any critical examination. I, for one, think it's all crap ... VooDoo TM, was was referenced earlier. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip Just for the record, since about 1984, the TMO has been quite clear that actual flying has not yet been achieved, and that all practitioners are doing is hopping. Yes, but 1977-1983 were some crazy, mixed-up, wild- ass years. :) ...add dishonesty to the mix. Publishing photos of flyers in the uppermost apex of the hopping parabola is, intentially, deceitful and that's exactly what the TMO did. There's 100+ possible points in the hopping parabola...gee, why pick the one at the apex to publicize? Uh, Shemp, you need to give this one just a *teensy* bit more thought. Enlighten me, Judy, why it was NOT dishonest publicizing photographs of flyers in the apex of the hopping parabola... Think it through, Shemp. Start by explaining the deception involved: 1. What would someone assume *incorrectly* if they saw a photo taken at the apex of the parabola rather than at a lower point? Gee, I dunno, Judy, that the person was LEVITATING and FLOATING in the air maybe? BT. Why would they NOT think that if the photo were taken at a lower point of the parabola? Try again, please. 2. What would their *correct* assumption be if the hop were shown at a lower point? Think it through, Judy, and ask yourself who should be doing the assuming: Non sequitur. those promoting and distributing photos of alleged levitationor...those reading their papers over their morning coffee. Do you think that the TMO acted morally and honestly back in the '70s when they released those photos? I'll address that once you've addressed the point on the parabola issue. Every time you can't answer a question or you are befuddled, you always do the same thing: you say I'll answer that once you've addressed my question. Translation: Shemp realizes his bit about the point on the parabola was REELY dumb. He can't admit that, of course, so he tries to change the subject. That doesn't work, so now he thinks he'll try projecting *his* befuddlement and inability to answer *my* questions onto *me*. I guess he thinks at least some folks here are dumb enough to fall for it. do me a favor: ignore my posts and don't comment on them anymore, please. Sorry, but I'll continue to comment exactly as I see fit. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Voodoo TM or TM Program...which do YOU practise?
The fact that you are even discussing the impossibility of flying is the result of a very successful marketing campaign isn't it? Based on people hopping around, MMY asserted that people would soon fly. Now, so many years later, for a dwindling group, the hope remains. This is one of the most fascinating lenses to view people's beliefs. The question for me is how could otherwise bright people believe something so patently absurd? The answer to that question goes right to the heart of how humans develop beliefs. It goes to the heart of what makes us human, and may be the thing that ends up destroying us. Right now different groups in the Middle East believe that God gave them a piece of land. Based on that belief they are killing each other. How can people believe that hopping is the first stage of flying, or that God gave their group a piece of land? We all have to find our own answers don't we? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's the point: Photographs aside, a critical thinker will ask if there is any evidence that anyone has ever levitated. There is not. No one is going to levitate either, I'm asserting. It's all more BS from the TMO. Those who believe that levitation is happening or will happen are probably those who accept everything that MMY says, without any critical examination. I, for one, think it's all crap ... VooDoo TM, was was referenced earlier. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip Just for the record, since about 1984, the TMO has been quite clear that actual flying has not yet been achieved, and that all practitioners are doing is hopping. Yes, but 1977-1983 were some crazy, mixed-up, wild- ass years. :) ...add dishonesty to the mix. Publishing photos of flyers in the uppermost apex of the hopping parabola is, intentially, deceitful and that's exactly what the TMO did. There's 100+ possible points in the hopping parabola...gee, why pick the one at the apex to publicize? Uh, Shemp, you need to give this one just a *teensy* bit more thought. Enlighten me, Judy, why it was NOT dishonest publicizing photographs of flyers in the apex of the hopping parabola... Think it through, Shemp. Start by explaining the deception involved: 1. What would someone assume *incorrectly* if they saw a photo taken at the apex of the parabola rather than at a lower point? Gee, I dunno, Judy, that the person was LEVITATING and FLOATING in the air maybe? BT. Why would they NOT think that if the photo were taken at a lower point of the parabola? Try again, please. 2. What would their *correct* assumption be if the hop were shown at a lower point? Think it through, Judy, and ask yourself who should be doing the assuming: Non sequitur. those promoting and distributing photos of alleged levitationor...those reading their papers over their morning coffee. Do you think that the TMO acted morally and honestly back in the '70s when they released those photos? I'll address that once you've addressed the point on the parabola issue. Every time you can't answer a question or you are befuddled, you always do the same thing: you say I'll answer that once you've addressed my question. Translation: Shemp realizes his bit about the point on the parabola was REELY dumb. He can't admit that, of course, so he tries to change the subject. That doesn't work, so now he thinks he'll try projecting *his* befuddlement and inability to answer *my* questions onto *me*. I guess he thinks at least some folks here are dumb enough to fall for it. do me a favor: ignore my posts and don't comment on them anymore, please. Sorry, but I'll continue to comment exactly as I see
[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: Thoughts on what is going on in Israel
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/17/06 10:59:35 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The attitude reflected in this article is what is destroying Israel. You can not fight madmen by becoming mad yourself. That's it, exactly. Not that I see Israel as being mad, but what is your solution? There are no simple solutions to complex problems. But I think that people who believe what this letter writer believes are mad as hatters, and *just* as dangerous as the terrorists. Both believe they have a moral right to kill innocent people. So if I were to propose a fantasy 'solution,' it would be along the lines of the setting of the Bhagavad-Gita. Gather all of the people who think like this -- the mad arab terrorists and the equally mad Israelis -- together on a big battlefied, arm them heavily, and let them kill each other. Not one of them on either side left alive. Sounds harsh, but you know as well as I do that if it happened the world would collectively breathe a sigh of relief... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'US Pundits say World War III started...'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 17, 2006, at 6:21 AM, Robert Gimbel wrote: A number of 'pundits' including Newt Gingrinch, have said that this escalation in Israel, is the beginning of WWIII. What do people think of this analysis? ? There was a famous high Lama from Tibet here in the US on Sept. 11, 2001. They just happened to have the TV on when the planes hit the world trade buildings and he commented then This is the beginning of WW 3. His students immediately asked him to not say any more, because being omniscient, what he said always came true. It could very well be the beginning of WW 3. But what they're not telling us is that this war IS a religious war. Also consider this: the Russians are not on our side, nor is China. And we have a large part of our economy tied up in China since they let us use their slave labor. If you'd like I'll repost the article on what this lama said and what the Kalachakra prophecies say (it's by his translator). It's not for the faint of heart, the PC or those who think all religions are good, some just have a few bad apples. Yes, please reprint the info. I for one would like to read the prophecies. Thanks! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Electro-Convulsive therapy anyone?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: Thing is, I know several of the researchers. They're all true believers, but when they're wearing the hat of a researcher, they're a lot more skeptical than you seem to believe. I defer to your experience. I suspect that some of the TM-related research is strong, but I also suspect that some of it is laughably weak. I'm only speaking to the mindset of true believer posing as dispassionate scientist. If you're looking for something to validate your own strongly-held belief system, the tendency is to find it. On the other hand, there are research projects that turn out to have real researchers manning them, who are not afraid to admit it when their assumptions turn out to be wrong. I'm thinking of the recent long-term study on the power of prayer with regard to healing. The researchers expected to find a correlation between being prayed for and faster healing; in fact they found that either there was no correlation, or in some cases, the people being prayed for got worse or healed more slowly than statistics say they should have. I'd feel better about the TM research if there were a few more of those kinds of studies, along the lines of, We expected to find X positive result and didn't find it. The TMO's self-funded research is probably loaded with that kind of thing. It never sees the light of day. By the time the Movement researchers are willingto spend the time and energy to request government grant money, they're pretty sure they're going to find an effect, based on the in-house research. By the time they're willing to seek out non- meditating collaborators to do research, they're *positive* they're going to find an effect. There are a few instances of unexpected failures making it out however. Kesterson's work on breath suspension during transcending showed conclusively that transcending had nothing to do with reduced metabolism, which was Kieth Wallace's original belief. OTOH, Kesterson established that there was something unusual going on, even so. The weakest research you see these days is for stuff that the scientists have no clue how to study anyway, like sthapatya veda and the like. That's pure marketing BS, IMHO. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: Thoughts on what is going on in Israel
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: From a friend of mine. I haven't even read the whole thing, but I thought it might be of interest here: I couldn't get past the first paragraph. I've never developed a taste for insanity as literature. Unfortunately Israel is at war. Fortunately Israel is at war. Better to face up to the enemy(Iran) now rather than later, when he is stronger. This is the opening of War against Iran, who are using their proxies -- the Hizbullah in Lebanon and the Hamas in the Palestine Authority Ë to soften up Israel for the kill. There's some element of truth in all of the ranting, but the assumption that Israel is the real target is probably wrong. In this case, its probably Iran sending messages to Washington via Hezbollah. They could have had Hezbollah attack Israel at any time in the last few years, but they waited until now. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] 9/11 and The Kalachakra Prophecies
9/11 and The Kalachakra PropheciesTHE PERSISTENCE OF PROPHECY, THE REBIRTH OF ORACLES: A CELEBRATION OF THE END OF TIMEby Lama Michael Lewis(used with permission)In 1976, together with 40,000 Tibetan, Indian and Western pilgrims, I received initiation into the Kalacakra, or “Wheel of Time”, Tantra from His Holiness the Dalai Lama on the plains of Choklamsar, on the banks of the Indus River in Ladakh, which is politically a part of India, but spiritually is Western Tibet.I camped for a week in a tiny tent with a small party of fellow Western monks. For two days prior to the initiation I noticed the famous “weather yogi”, Ngakpa Yeshe Dorje, walking in a wide circle around the precincts of initiation, blowing his human thighbone trumpet at the sky and reciting mantras. I knew he was famous for having the ability to stop rain or hailstorms, but I was surprised to see him working as it almost never rains in Ladakh.On the morning of the opening ceremonies it rained steadily, exactly and only in the area that Ngakpa Rinpoche had patrolled, and all of us were thoroughly soaked, as there was no shelter. At the close of the ceremonies that day I approached Ngakpa Yeshe Dorje and asked him what had gone wrong. I said, “I thought you were supposed to keep rain away; what happened? Did you recite something backwards?” He laughed, winked at me, then informed me that His Holiness the Dalai Lama had requested him to bring rain to test the resolve of all those who were attending the initiation.I was later to spend considerable time with Ngakpa Rinpoche. He became one of my main instructors in the Chod practice of the Wrathful Black Mother, Khrodi Kali, according to the lineage of the New Treasures of Dudjom.Rinpoche lived in Dharamsala, the Dalai Lama’s headquarters in the state of Himachal Pradesh, India. He was a married lama, had many children and was very poor. Especially in the days when he was fond of drinking chang, Tibetan rice beer, small accidents and near disasters were frequent in his life. Once I asked him, “Rinpoche, are you sure that you’re doing your practices correctly?” He was usually jovial, always smiling and laughing and quite fond of jokes. Now, however, he became stern and asked me, in a challenging tone of voice, “What are you talking about?” I mentioned his sprained ankle, the fact that the roof of his small hut had recently caved in, his several sick children, and reiterated, “Are you sure you’ve got everything right?”Smiling again, Rinpoche said to me, “Listen, Speedy, YOU try living in a reality populated almost exclusively by ghosts and demons and see how well YOU do!”After the Kalacakra initiation I accompanied another patriarch, His Holiness Sakya Trizin Rinpoche, the head of the Sakya sect of Tibetan Buddhism, to an 800-year-old monastery known as Mato Gonpa. There I received further initiations, oral transmissions and instructions, and was able to question His Holiness, known to be a great scholar and practitioner of Tantra, about the teachings of the Wheel of Time Tantra and its attendant prophecies.Each evening I would spend an hour or two alone with the lama. He would tell me what the next day’s initiations and teachings were to be, and would then question me about Western culture. He was curious about everything, from how to make various cocktails to the history of Eastern Europe. At the end of the evening, he would inquire if I had any questions, and I invariably did. Once I asked, “What is the essential teaching of the Kalacakra Tantra; what does it really mean?” His holiness replied, “The essential message of the Kalacakra cycle is that time as such does not exist.”I did not understand, but I pondered his words deeply that night in meditation. The next morning I looked around the temple as the ceremonies unfolded and realized that, with the exception of a few wristwatches and myself, there was nothing there that could not have been there 800 years ago.That afternoon a Roman film crew from Cinecitta arrived, and suddenly the entire scene approached the cusp of the 21st Century: cutting edge film equipment, beautiful women in hotpants, technology, elegance and flash! Eight hundred years and more in the space of a few hours: time, as such, did not exist. Briefly, here is what I was told about the prophecies. Keep in mind the general Buddhist context for this topic: that we live in a Dark Age, the time of the dregs, of the five great degenerations. In common with most traditional Wisdom cultures, the Tibetans believe, not that we have progressed for millennia following an emergence from barbarism, but rather that we have devolved from a state of comparative grace to our current situation, the truly barbarous modern world.According to the Kalacakra prophecies, this decline will continue until the end of the Kali Yuga. Increasingly the forces of darkness will spread and consolidate their controlling power in all nations. They will marginalize and attempt to eliminate those who remain
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM makes one more neurotically disturbed?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are plenty of scenarios where any number of states might have no qualities that one can remember. If you can't remember any qualities, than its a state without qualities. And pure consciousness has no qualities. It is outside of the mind. The mind can only appreciate pure consciousness as emptiness. Actually, technically, the claim is that Pure Consciousness has three qualities though these aren't experienceable per se: Sat-chit-ananda... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hezbollah Lebanon
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/16/06 10:31:28 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Spair, Syria and Iran have had strong ties for decades now and Syria has been a strong backer of Hezbollah since they invaded Lebanon. Client state has a special meaning. Ally is not the same as client state. Israel is a client-state of the US, more or less. Iraq and Iran were client states of the USSR, as was Cuba. Lebanon may be someone's client state these days, but I doubt if Syira and Iran have that kind of relationship. Only Fox News commentators seem to use the term in that context. I'm not referring to client states. Syria actually controlled Lebanon for many years. The Syrian army was there to enforce law and keep the peace because in effect there was no democratically elected Lebanese government up until recently. Syria, all these years gave Hezbollah virtually free reign in Lebanon and left them in charge of southern Lebanon and other parts when they had to pack up and leave. Hezbollah has offices in Damacus. The link between Iran, Syria and Hezbollah is very strong. And Iraq used to be a link in that chain that was on that pit bull, Hezbollah, as well. I was referring to the quote that claimed that Syria was a client state of Iran. I've heard it said on Fox New. It's a silly claim, as far as I can tell. I have no problems with what you say above. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] 'US Pundits say World War III started...'
Vaj wrote: On Jul 17, 2006, at 6:21 AM, Robert Gimbel wrote: A number of 'pundits' including Newt Gingrinch, have said that this escalation in Israel, is the beginning of WWIII. What do people think of this analysis? ? There was a famous high Lama from Tibet here in the US on Sept. 11, 2001. They just happened to have the TV on when the planes hit the world trade buildings and he commented then This is the beginning of WW 3. His students immediately asked him to not say any more, because being omniscient, what he said always came true. It could very well be the beginning of WW 3. But what they're not telling us is that this war IS a religious war. Also consider this: the Russians are not on our side, nor is China. And we have a large part of our economy tied up in China since they let us use their slave labor. If you'd like I'll repost the article on what this lama said and what the Kalachakra prophecies say (it's by his translator). It's not for the faint of heart, the PC or those who think all religions are good, some just have a few bad apples. I predict that the US is in for a big scale depression much that will make the Depression of the 1930's look like a Sunday picnic. It has to happen as the US lives on too high a standard of living to continue. We consume seven times the resources we should. There could have been a kind way to readjust the economy for this which I think was what was in mind at the end of the 1970's before Reagan came along and screwed things up. But so many Americans are just so spoiled and living in an illusion anyway the painful way will be good since it will wake them up. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] 'US Pundits say World War III started...'
On Jul 17, 2006, at 2:37 PM, Bhairitu wrote:Vaj wrote: On Jul 17, 2006, at 6:21 AM, Robert Gimbel wrote: A number of 'pundits' including Newt Gingrinch, have said that this escalation in Israel, is the beginning of WWIII. What do people think of this analysis? ?There was a famous high Lama from Tibet here in the US on Sept. 11, 2001. They just happened to have the TV on when the planes hit the world trade buildings and he commented then "This is the beginning of WW 3". His students immediately asked him to not say any more, because being omniscient, what he said always came true. It could very well be the beginning of WW 3. But what they're not telling us is that this war IS a religious war. Also consider this: the Russians are not on our side, nor is China. And we have a large part of our economy tied up in China since they let us use their slave labor. If you'd like I'll repost the article on what this lama said and what the Kalachakra prophecies say (it's by his translator). It's not for the faint of heart, the PC or those who think all religions are good, some just have a few bad apples. I predict that the US is in for a big scale depression much that will make the Depression of the 1930's look like a Sunday picnic. It has to happen as the US lives on too high a standard of living to continue. We consume seven times the resources we should. There could have been a kind way to readjust the economy for this which I think was what was in mind at the end of the 1970's before Reagan came along and screwed things up. But so many Americans are just so spoiled and living in an illusion anyway the painful way will be good since it will wake them up. The North American Union could change that. Think of all the cheap labor the corporations will have then...The rich will get richer and the middle class will get poorer. Trade unions will be side-stepped. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: Thoughts on what is going on in Israel
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 7/17/06 10:59:35 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The attitude reflected in this article is what is destroying Israel. You can not fight madmen by becoming mad yourself. That's it, exactly. Not that I see Israel as being mad, but what is your solution? There are no simple solutions to complex problems. But I think that people who believe what this letter writer believes are mad as hatters, and *just* as dangerous as the terrorists. Both believe they have a moral right to kill innocent people. So if I were to propose a fantasy 'solution,' it would be along the lines of the setting of the Bhagavad-Gita. Gather all of the people who think like this -- the mad arab terrorists and the equally mad Israelis -- together on a big battlefied, arm them heavily, and let them kill each other. Not one of them on either side left alive. Sounds harsh, but you know as well as I do that if it happened the world would collectively breathe a sigh of relief... before suggesting solutions,clearly one has to understand the problem, I sincerely doubt that you do. Israel didn't ask for these confrontations and very much wants a stable and calm Lebanon, free of external powers. The current fight is against terror organizations in Lebanon and Gaza that are subcontractors, acting under the authorization, encouragement and funding of Iran. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Voodoo TM or TM Program...which do YOU practise?
Very well said. Have you read Sam Harris' book, End of Faith, or something like that? He says pretty much the same thing. And, normally, I don't care if people want to belief preposterous stuff, but lately with people strapping on bombs and blowing themselves up in coffee houses because they believe that 70 virgins will greet them in paradise, it hits a lot closer to home. And that's much worse than a bunch of lemmings who have the delusion that people can fly, but certainly cut from the same non-critical thinking cloth. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The fact that you are even discussing the impossibility of flying is the result of a very successful marketing campaign isn't it? Based on people hopping around, MMY asserted that people would soon fly. Now, so many years later, for a dwindling group, the hope remains. This is one of the most fascinating lenses to view people's beliefs. The question for me is how could otherwise bright people believe something so patently absurd? The answer to that question goes right to the heart of how humans develop beliefs. It goes to the heart of what makes us human, and may be the thing that ends up destroying us. Right now different groups in the Middle East believe that God gave them a piece of land. Based on that belief they are killing each other. How can people believe that hopping is the first stage of flying, or that God gave their group a piece of land? We all have to find our own answers don't we? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dave bikemaster@ wrote: Here's the point: Photographs aside, a critical thinker will ask if there is any evidence that anyone has ever levitated. There is not. No one is going to levitate either, I'm asserting. It's all more BS from the TMO. Those who believe that levitation is happening or will happen are probably those who accept everything that MMY says, without any critical examination. I, for one, think it's all crap ... VooDoo TM, was was referenced earlier. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip Just for the record, since about 1984, the TMO has been quite clear that actual flying has not yet been achieved, and that all practitioners are doing is hopping. Yes, but 1977-1983 were some crazy, mixed-up, wild- ass years. :) ...add dishonesty to the mix. Publishing photos of flyers in the uppermost apex of the hopping parabola is, intentially, deceitful and that's exactly what the TMO did. There's 100+ possible points in the hopping parabola...gee, why pick the one at the apex to publicize? Uh, Shemp, you need to give this one just a *teensy* bit more thought. Enlighten me, Judy, why it was NOT dishonest publicizing photographs of flyers in the apex of the hopping parabola... Think it through, Shemp. Start by explaining the deception involved: 1. What would someone assume *incorrectly* if they saw a photo taken at the apex of the parabola rather than at a lower point? Gee, I dunno, Judy, that the person was LEVITATING and FLOATING in the air maybe? BT. Why would they NOT think that if the photo were taken at a lower point of the parabola? Try again, please. 2. What would their *correct* assumption be if the hop were shown at a lower point? Think it through, Judy, and ask yourself who should be doing the assuming: Non sequitur. those promoting and distributing photos of alleged levitationor...those reading their papers over their morning coffee. Do you think that the TMO acted morally and honestly back in the '70s when they released those photos?
[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: Thoughts on what is going on in Israel
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: From a friend of mine. I haven't even read the whole thing, but I thought it might be of interest here: I couldn't get past the first paragraph. I've never developed a taste for insanity as literature. Unfortunately Israel is at war. Fortunately Israel is at war. Better to face up to the enemy(Iran) now rather than later, when he is stronger. This is the opening of War against Iran, who are using their proxies -- the Hizbullah in Lebanon and the Hamas in the Palestine Authority Ë to soften up Israel for the kill. There's some element of truth in all of the ranting, but the assumption that Israel is the real target is probably wrong. In this case, its probably Iran sending messages to Washington via Hezbollah. They could have had Hezbollah attack Israel at any time in the last few years, but they waited until now. It's refreshing to finaly see someone that see the forest for the trees. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'US Pundits say World War III started...'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ivica Kosti#263; [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which kind of pandit is Newt Gingrich? I heard, from sources on Mother Divine, that he specializes in the Oy Vey-da. KH uns_tressor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel babajii_99@ wrote: A number of 'pundits' including Newt Gingrinch, have said that this escalation in Israel, is the beginning of WWIII. What do people think of this analysis? ? Its out with the fairies. Uns. - Fight back spam! Download the Blue Frog. http://www.bluesecurity.com/register/s?user=emJhc2VsbGk5MDk4 - Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM makes one more neurotically disturbed?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: --- sparaig sparaig@ wrote: There are plenty of scenarios where any number of states might have no qualities that one can remember. If you can't remember any qualities, than its a state without qualities. And pure consciousness has no qualities. It is outside of the mind. The mind can only appreciate pure consciousness as emptiness. Actually, technically, the claim is that Pure Consciousness has three qualities though these aren't experienceable per se: Sat-chit-ananda... FWIW, 'sat' is an interesting word. I think it's the neuter singular nominative form of the present participle of the verb 'as' (to be). Thus, the closest English equivalent would, I guess, be 'being'. One might expect it to be 'asat', but several other forms of that verb drop the initial 'a', for instance, 'asmi'([I] am), but 'santi' ([they] are). Thus, 'asat', of course, is the opposite of 'sat', prolly to be translated literally to 'non-being', or stuff. IMO, the coolest sentence those two words appear in a Vedic text is the first line of Rgveda X 129 (Hymn of Creation): naasadaasiinno sadaasiittadaaniim (without sandhi: na; asat; aasiit; na; u; sat; aasiit; tadaaniim) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Thoughts from a friend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had this thought this morning. You remember how it was in those early days? Just meditate and go to God as quick as possible. I think we were growing strong and we were actually gaining the 200%.. MMY had control over the spiritual because he was our teacher. But he didn't have any control over the other 100% of our regular lives. We were all growing in our own directions, with our own likes and dislikes, our own priorities. Some of our cherished leaders in the movement were starting to question some of MMY's decisions. They had to be shuttled aside (read dumped). And I loved some of those guys -- the Charlies and Jerrys . . . even the Depak. If there were other directions from strong credible people . . . control would be lost. The siddhis was the door to getting control over the direction of our material, relative lives. You know, the transcendental reaching out into the relative -- right into our lives and into our pocketbooks. ;-) how ironic. I'm sure you are right though, why not learn from the master himself how to get richer. Spiritual leaders and followers focusing on the material progress is exactly what the world currently need. snip To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] 'US Pundits say World War III started...'
Vaj wrote: On Jul 17, 2006, at 2:37 PM, Bhairitu wrote: Vaj wrote: On Jul 17, 2006, at 6:21 AM, Robert Gimbel wrote: A number of 'pundits' including Newt Gingrinch, have said that this escalation in Israel, is the beginning of WWIII. What do people think of this analysis? ? There was a famous high Lama from Tibet here in the US on Sept. 11, 2001. They just happened to have the TV on when the planes hit the world trade buildings and he commented then This is the beginning of WW 3. His students immediately asked him to not say any more, because being omniscient, what he said always came true. It could very well be the beginning of WW 3. But what they're not telling us is that this war IS a religious war. Also consider this: the Russians are not on our side, nor is China. And we have a large part of our economy tied up in China since they let us use their slave labor. If you'd like I'll repost the article on what this lama said and what the Kalachakra prophecies say (it's by his translator). It's not for the faint of heart, the PC or those who think all religions are good, some just have a few bad apples. I predict that the US is in for a big scale depression much that will make the Depression of the 1930's look like a Sunday picnic. It has to happen as the US lives on too high a standard of living to continue. We consume seven times the resources we should. There could have been a kind way to readjust the economy for this which I think was what was in mind at the end of the 1970's before Reagan came along and screwed things up. But so many Americans are just so spoiled and living in an illusion anyway the painful way will be good since it will wake them up. The North American Union could change that. Think of all the cheap labor the corporations will have then...The rich will get richer and the middle class will get poorer. Trade unions will be side-stepped. There were 900,000 protesting election fraud in the recent Mexican presidential election yesterday. If they can somehow get Obrador in the North American Union thing will be toast as well it should be. Yup, if we have a big depression and you have any debt you may be offered a chance to pay it off by being cannon fodder in some gawd awful war zone regardless of your age. Another name for North American Union is Oceania (from 1984). Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] 'Clinton says he would have died for Israel'
Clinton says he would have died for Israel By Khalid HasanWASHINGTON: Former US President Bill Clinton who many Arab thoughts was more even-handed on the Palestine question than his predecessors shocked many when he asserted in Toronto last week that had Israel been attacked by Iraq or Iran during his presidency, he would have been ready to grab a rifle, get in a ditch and fight and die.The Israelis know that if the Iraqi or the Iranian army came across the Jordan River, I would personally grab a rifle, get in a ditch, and fight and die, Clinton told the crowd at a fund-raising event for a Toronto Jewish charity Monday. Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Voodoo TM or TM Program...which do YOU practise?
Yes that was right out of Sam Harris' perspective! He is one of my favorite thinkers. I must add that I was a full believer in all things TM at one time so my critique of this kind of belief is also a critique of my own former beliefs. Taking on and then shedding the beliefs of TM was an important experience for me. I am fascinated by people with more spiritual beliefs than I myself hold. This Yahoo group seems especially tolerant of different views and the rights of people expressing them. I agree with your point that blending crazy beliefs and explosives takes the whole discussion out of the theoretical and into the world of holy shit! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Very well said. Have you read Sam Harris' book, End of Faith, or something like that? He says pretty much the same thing. And, normally, I don't care if people want to belief preposterous stuff, but lately with people strapping on bombs and blowing themselves up in coffee houses because they believe that 70 virgins will greet them in paradise, it hits a lot closer to home. And that's much worse than a bunch of lemmings who have the delusion that people can fly, but certainly cut from the same non-critical thinking cloth. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: The fact that you are even discussing the impossibility of flying is the result of a very successful marketing campaign isn't it? Based on people hopping around, MMY asserted that people would soon fly. Now, so many years later, for a dwindling group, the hope remains. This is one of the most fascinating lenses to view people's beliefs. The question for me is how could otherwise bright people believe something so patently absurd? The answer to that question goes right to the heart of how humans develop beliefs. It goes to the heart of what makes us human, and may be the thing that ends up destroying us. Right now different groups in the Middle East believe that God gave them a piece of land. Based on that belief they are killing each other. How can people believe that hopping is the first stage of flying, or that God gave their group a piece of land? We all have to find our own answers don't we? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dave bikemaster@ wrote: Here's the point: Photographs aside, a critical thinker will ask if there is any evidence that anyone has ever levitated. There is not. No one is going to levitate either, I'm asserting. It's all more BS from the TMO. Those who believe that levitation is happening or will happen are probably those who accept everything that MMY says, without any critical examination. I, for one, think it's all crap ... VooDoo TM, was was referenced earlier. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip Just for the record, since about 1984, the TMO has been quite clear that actual flying has not yet been achieved, and that all practitioners are doing is hopping. Yes, but 1977-1983 were some crazy, mixed-up, wild- ass years. :) ...add dishonesty to the mix. Publishing photos of flyers in the uppermost apex of the hopping parabola is, intentially, deceitful and that's exactly what the TMO did. There's 100+ possible points in the hopping parabola...gee, why pick the one at the apex to publicize? Uh, Shemp, you need to give this one just a *teensy* bit more thought. Enlighten me, Judy, why it was NOT dishonest publicizing photographs of flyers in the apex of the hopping parabola... Think it through, Shemp. Start by explaining the deception involved: 1. What would someone assume
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'US Pundits say World War III started...'
Which kind of pandit is Newt Gingrich? Certain people, generally the ones who make it onto some of the political media news business; Are considered to be experienced enough in the field of politics; That they become in some people's opinion: Political Pundits Some political pundits currently on cable TV, or considered to be pundits: Chris Mathews, Pat Buchannan, George Will, Newt Gingrich, Charles Krauthammer, Allen Colmes, Andrea Mitchel, Nora O'Donnel, Henry Kissenger, and other's... A number of 'pundits' including Newt Gingrinch, have said that this escalation in Israel, is the beginning of WWIII. What do people think of this analysis? ? Its out with the fairies. Uns. - Fight back spam! Download the Blue Frog. http://www.bluesecurity.com/register/s?user=emJhc2VsbGk5MDk4 - Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 9/11 and The Kalachakra Prophecies
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, David Fiske [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I actually enjoyed it but I am sitting here glad to be alive, to be now and to be walking with little discomfort.. One thing that stuck in my craw was the identification of the Moslem fundamentalists with the powers of darkness because of their historic tendency to be cruel and destructive. I think Christanity merits a mention in that category too, and what about Hindu fundamentlists; and the American indians were no sloths in caressing captives of other tribes, and the Aztecs and Mayans. Why not say humanity has produced some monsters? But they have also produced Bach and Beethoven, Chartres cathedral and so on and some hearty laughs and good meals and friendship round crackling fires. Love, David Sure, there is darknesses or lower vibrations in many places. But the thing that stands out with the Islamic Fundementalist; Is thier suicidal tendancies; like the Kamakazis of Japan; This total disregard for one's own life; Is demonic; In other words, when one is somehow convinced; That in the act of suicide, this person will agree; To not only annihillate themselves but everything their intention touches.. Even someone as demonic as Hitler; How did he die; at his own hand? So, it is not so much a different belief system; But the total, demonic disregard for life, childern, woman and all life. Like the Nazi's before, of the suididal Japanese in WWII. All this leads to total destruction, Dresden, Hiroshima, Nagasaki... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Clinton says he would have died for Israel'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Clinton says he would have died for Israel By Khalid Hasan WASHINGTON: Former US President Bill Clinton who many Arab thoughts was more even-handed on the Palestine question than his predecessors shocked many when he asserted in Toronto last week that had Israel been attacked by Iraq or Iran during his presidency, he would have been ready to grab a rifle, get in a ditch and fight and die. The Israelis know that if the Iraqi or the Iranian army came across the Jordan River, I would personally grab a rifle, get in a ditch, and fight and die, Clinton told the crowd at a fund-raising event for a Toronto Jewish charity Monday. - Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. Look at the audience. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: Thoughts on what is going on in Israel
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, larry.potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Israel didn't ask for these confrontations... ..she may not have, but has created the perfect conditions for trouble. The idea of peppering settlements of Israelis throughout the land mass of Palestine itself must be barking mad: http://www.mideastweb.org/map_israel_settlements.htm Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Electro-Convulsive therapy anyone?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter, If the stories on her Website are accurate, her confusion doesn't surprise me. I found her descent into madness chronicled on her site completely riveting. How sad. Of course I understand that others may see the divine hand at work instead of a mental illness. Funny to think how she would have been treated in this culture with her symptoms. She may have sustained neurological damage early on if this story is true from her site: A daughter earlier born to Mokhshadasundari died prematurely. With that tragedy in mind Mokhshada [Grandma (Didima) to the devotees] took the newborn MA before a Tulsi sapling installed in the house in the morning and rolled the infant over and over on the ground. The ritual was repeated every day for eighteen months. When MA grew up, she did it all by herself'- an infant god frolicking in front of her other self, symbolised by the Tulsi. But with this experience she would be off to a facility for sure: 1926 Thus passed the days at Shahbag. She would start a job, say, the offering of the cooked food to the deity and would stop midway becoming as still as a stone. This might happen during the household work or cooking, regardless of the heat from the blazing oven scorching her body. She would lie prostrate for hours unmindful of the rows of ants biting into her flesh. She would walk around at night through bushes and boughs unafraid of snakes or reptiles. Yet, her face would glow with a smile, her body with radi ance. The site is full of this kind of story interpreted through the rosy glasses of her divine nature. Her experiences remind me of the three people I knew personally at MIU who became afflicted with Schizophrenia. (The college age group is particularly vulnerable to this disease isn't it?) One was taken over by divine rapture and refused to leave his room for days. Fortunately for him he was taken for treatment instead of being worshiped. Under the grip of this illness my friends took on an appearance of divine ecstasy or extreme pain and their eyes gleamed with intensity It was completely unnerving to be in their presence, but with the right mindset and belief system I can see how people could respond differently. Would Ma have been better off on some psych drug? That is a tough one isn't it? One friend whose progress I tracked through the years was constantly going off his meds because the sensations of the illness were so compelling for him. It is tough to give up divine rapture for functionality in daily life. The fact that he was tormented by his illness was also clear. There was no reasonable position that would allow him to just stay off the drugs. What a shitty dilemma life handed him and his poor family. Interpreting Ma's inability to even feed herself at times as divine forgetfulness is kind of a charming alternative to seeing her condition clinically. Or maybe autism was at play? Since I am giving a medical diagnosis on the basis of stories, what that hell, I might as well throw that one in also! Who knows. Instead of wandering the streets as she might have ended up here, she had a rich full life with people catering to her every whim. This is a fascinating life viewed from any perspective isn't it? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: When SSRS was about 12 years old MMY brought him to see Anandamayi Ma. SSRS says that she kept on refering to him in the female tense and he didn't know why. --- curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Good find. Did you check out the videos? http://www.anandamayi.org/mmedia/avi/8d.htm --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 nablus108@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 nablus108@ wrote: That being said the woman saint that Maharishi brought with him to my TTC glowed like a light bulb. A sight I will never forget and have not seen since. Where was that? MMY asked Matananda Mai to go to Europe with him once, but she declined. If you are referring to Ananda Mayima it was the other way around. She did not want to part with Maharishi so she wanted to come with him to Switzerland, but seeing the huge following of her disciples, who could not part with her, he suggested that it was better she stayed in India. I've talked to people who saw them together, just sitting quietly on the floor holding hands, it was an
[FairfieldLife] A question about the G8 conference
I've been busy on a project and unable to follow the News much this last couple of weeks, so I'm playing catch-up. I'm wondering what the announced agenda was for the G8 conference, if anyone knows. It seems to me that it must have been pretty important and threatening to some people, enough to start a war to derail it. The last such conference was derailed by the London Underground bombings. Coincidence? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Clinton says he would have died for Israel'
In a message dated 7/17/06 2:36:44 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: WASHINGTON: Former US President Bill Clinton who many Arab thoughts was more even-handed on the Palestine question than his predecessors shocked many when he asserted in Toronto last week that had Israel been attacked by Iraq or Iran during his presidency, he would have been ready to “grab a rifle, get in a ditch and fight and die.”“The Israelis know that if the Iraqi or the Iranian army came across the Jordan River, I would personally grab a rifle, get in a ditch, and fight and die,” Clinton told the crowd at a fund-raising event for a Toronto Jewish charity Monday. Some how I doubt this. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 9/11 and The Kalachakra Prophecies
On Jul 17, 2006, at 4:23 PM, Robert Gimbel wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "David Fiske" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I actually enjoyed it but I am sitting here glad to be alive, to be now and to be walking with little discomfort.. One thing that stuck in my craw was the identification of the Moslem fundamentalists with the powers of darkness because of their historic tendency to be cruel and destructive. I think Christanity merits a mention in that category too, and what about Hindu fundamentlists; and the American indians were no sloths in "caressing" captives of other tribes, and the Aztecs and Mayans. Why not say humanity has produced some monsters? But they have also produced Bach and Beethoven, Chartres cathedral and so on and some hearty laughs and good meals and friendship round crackling fires. Love, David Sure, there is darknesses or lower vibrations in many places. But the thing that stands out with the Islamic Fundementalist; Is thier suicidal tendancies; like the Kamakazis of Japan; This total disregard for one's own life; Is demonic; In other words, when one is somehow convinced; That in the act of suicide, this person will agree; To not only annihillate themselves but everything their intention touches.. Even someone as demonic as Hitler; How did he die; at his own hand? So, it is not so much a different belief system; But the total, demonic disregard for life, childern, woman and all life. Like the Nazi's before, of the suididal Japanese in WWII. All this leads to total destruction, Dresden, Hiroshima, Nagasaki... There's so far only one (correct me if I'm wrong) Islamic country with nuclear weaponry. Just wait till several have it and there is a country largely perceived to be "infidels" (e.g. India) and they want that land for "their god" (egocentric moral development combined with an ethnocentric god--rather than a world-centric god--and a "narcissistic emotional driver" behind all that). We're already seeing recently the results of a people who perceive a land of the rishis and yogis, Kashmir, as *theirs*. And so there is a global Islamic jihad for Allah's latest real estate acquisition. Truth be told there have been 11 invasions into Kashmir since the middle ages. But it wasn't till just a few years ago when the 350,000 Kashmiri pundit families up and left that beautiful place that Hindu civilization finally "had enough". What a sad story. What a great civilization lost. I realized how bad it really was when I saw the video on Link TV of vacationing western Muslims going to Pakistan to shoot shoulder fired rockets into Kashmir while partying.What's next? Europe some say: France, Germany, Spain, etc. The great Koranic injunction "lay in wait for the infidel" takes many forms. But one the west did not expect was for hordes of immigrants to *not* assimilate and then breed and multiply--and then declare Shariah law on "their" city--or Allah's city.See also these two videos on terrorism by Ken Wilber:http://snipurl.com/rxvl-ZT58Khttp://snipurl.com/rxvm-MJS9C(Quicktime format) __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Voodoo TM or TM Program...which do YOU practise?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The fact that you are even discussing the impossibility of flying is the result of a very successful marketing campaign isn't it? Based on people hopping around, MMY asserted that people would soon fly. It was based on more than that, from what I understand. Remember that the flying sutra was not the only one being practiced. Now, so many years later, for a dwindling group, the hope remains. This is one of the most fascinating lenses to view people's beliefs. The question for me is how could otherwise bright people believe something so patently absurd? And the question for me is, How could otherwise bright people believe such a belief is patently absurd? Vanishingly unlikely, I could understand. But to be utterly, unequivocally convinced that it's absurd seems to me, well, absurd. The answer to that question goes right to the heart of how humans develop beliefs. It goes to the heart of what makes us human, and may be the thing that ends up destroying us. Right now different groups in the Middle East believe that God gave them a piece of land. Based on that belief they are killing each other. How can people believe that hopping is the first stage of flying, or that God gave their group a piece of land? Those are sorta kinda very different types of beliefs, Curtis. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 9/11 and The Kalachakra Prophecies
In a message dated 7/17/06 4:11:51 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What's next? Europe some say: France, Germany, Spain, etc. The great Koranic injunction "lay in wait for the infidel" takes many forms. But one the west did not expect was for hordes of immigrants to *not* assimilate and then breed and multiply--and then declare Shariah law on "their" city--or Allah's city. Don't leaver out England either. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: Thoughts on what is going on in Israel
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 7/17/06 10:59:35 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The attitude reflected in this article is what is destroying Israel. You can not fight madmen by becoming mad yourself. That's it, exactly. Not that I see Israel as being mad, but what is your solution? There are no simple solutions to complex problems. But I think that people who believe what this letter writer believes are mad as hatters, and *just* as dangerous as the terrorists. Both believe they have a moral right to kill innocent people. So if I were to propose a fantasy 'solution,' it would be along the lines of the setting of the Bhagavad-Gita. Gather all of the people who think like this -- the mad arab terrorists and the equally mad Israelis -- together on a big battlefied, arm them heavily, and let them kill each other. Not one of them on either side left alive. Sounds harsh Sounds mad to me. Especially after beginning with There are no simple solutions to complex problems. , but you know as well as I do that if it happened the world would collectively breathe a sigh of relief... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'US Pundits say World War III started...'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Jul 17, 2006, at 6:21 AM, Robert Gimbel wrote: A number of 'pundits' including Newt Gingrinch, have said that this escalation in Israel, is the beginning of WWIII. What do people think of this analysis? ? There was a famous high Lama from Tibet here in the US on Sept. 11, 2001. They just happened to have the TV on when the planes hit the world trade buildings and he commented then This is the beginning of WW 3. His students immediately asked him to not say any more, because being omniscient, what he said always came true. It could very well be the beginning of WW 3. But what they're not telling us is that this war IS a religious war. Also consider this: the Russians are not on our side, nor is China. And we have a large part of our economy tied up in China since they let us use their slave labor. If you'd like I'll repost the article on what this lama said and what the Kalachakra prophecies say (it's by his translator). It's not for the faint of heart, the PC or those who think all religions are good, some just have a few bad apples. Yes, please reprint the info. I for one would like to read the prophecies. Thanks! Prepare yourself to read some religious bigotry along with the prophecies. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Voodoo TM or TM Program...which do YOU practise?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Very well said. Have you read Sam Harris' book, End of Faith, or something like that? He says pretty much the same thing. Not quite. From the recent interview with Harris in Salon.com: S: One thing I find so fascinating about your book is that you're out there as an atheist. And yet you also say life has a sacred dimension. You talk about the value of spirituality and mystical experiences. It's interesting that you put all that in the same pot. H: Yeah, many atheists felt it should not have been in the same pot. But I think it's necessary to just be honest. These are some of the most beautiful and most profound experiences that human beings can have. And therefore we're right to want to understand them and to explore that landscape. S: But it does raise the question, what do you mean by spiritual? And what do you mean by mystical? H: By spiritual and mystical -- I use them interchangeably -- I mean any effort to understand and explore happiness and well-being itself through deliberate uses of attention. Specifically, to break the spell of discursive thought. We wake up each morning, and we're chased out of bed by our thoughts, and then we think, think, think, think all day long. And very few of us spend any significant amount of time breaking that train of thought. Meditation is one technique by which to do that. The sense that you are an ego, busy thinking, disappears. And its disappearance is quite a relief. S: Well, it's interesting to hear this description of mysticism because I don't think that's how most people would see it. I mean, most people would play up the more irrational side. Yes, you're losing yourself, but you're plunged into some larger sea of oneness, of perhaps transcendent presence. Obviously, you're staying away from that whole supernatural way of thinking. H: Well, it's very Buddhist of me to do that. The Buddhists tend to talk in terms of what it's not. They talk about it being no self, they talk in terms of emptiness. But the theistic traditions talk in terms of what the experience is like. There, you get descriptions of fullness and rapture and love and oneness. And to some degree, I've had experiences that can be characterized that way. But there are pitfalls in using that language. People tend to reify these states and make metaphysics out of it. It's not like you learn about physics by being a mystic. S: I want to ask you about one sentence from your book The End of Faith. You say, Whatever is true now should be discoverable now. It sounds like you're putting inordinate faith in science. Are you willing to acknowledge that there might be plenty of things we still don't understand scientifically that could very well be true? H: There's no scientist who would hesitate to acknowledge that. This is one of the ironies of religious discourse. Religious people talk in terms of their own humility and talk of the intellectual arrogance of science, whereas the situation is totally reversed. Every scientist worth his Ph.D. will admit that we have no idea how the universe, or why the universe, came into existence. We have no idea why there is everything rather than nothing. And most of what is there to be discovered has not been discovered. S: Let me mention one case in point. There is a wealth of anthropological literature about sorcery in Africa and Latin America, and there are plenty of personal testimonies about the power of witchcraft. From the scientific world view, this looks like sheer nonsense. Yet I'm wondering if it might be possible that science some day will be able to explain what now seems supernatural. H: Oh yeah, I think the only way to explain it is with a scientific frame of mind. Now, scientists tend to be dogmatically opposed to looking at this kind of phenomenon -- at telepathy, for instance, because there's been so much fraud and wishful thinking. Science generally has been eager to divest itself of the spookiness of this area. But I think that kind of phenomenon is fascinating and worth looking into. And it may be that minds have some effect upon the physical world that we currently can't explain. But the way we will explain it is scientifically. http://www.salon.com/books/int/2006/07/07/harris/index.html Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is
[FairfieldLife] Re: Voodoo TM or TM Program...which do YOU practise?
Since you turned me on to this article I know you understand his point which is made in the rest of the article. In his book Sam Harris points out that irrational beliefs are different only in content. They are based on ancient scriptures dictating to modern people things that cannot or have not been proved. The authority based belief systems all have this flaw. If you had been given the flying sutra blind, without all the hype, would you conclude that you were about to stay in the air? But Nature Speaking English (Domash's term for MMY) proclaimed that is shall be so, despite such a dismal track record of anyone actually doing it. He even uses yogic scriptures to back up his claim. So there is no reason to believe, other than his word that it is so, that you will someday float in the air. As far as Sam's other point that amazing claims can and should be tested...MMY has had how many years to put up or shut up with flying? When do we celebrate the 30th year of no one flying? Now, scientists tend to be dogmatically opposed to looking at this kind of phenomenon -- at telepathy, for instance, because there's been so much fraud and wishful thinking. Take your pick. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dave bikemaster@ wrote: Very well said. Have you read Sam Harris' book, End of Faith, or something like that? He says pretty much the same thing. Not quite. From the recent interview with Harris in Salon.com: S: One thing I find so fascinating about your book is that you're out there as an atheist. And yet you also say life has a sacred dimension. You talk about the value of spirituality and mystical experiences. It's interesting that you put all that in the same pot. H: Yeah, many atheists felt it should not have been in the same pot. But I think it's necessary to just be honest. These are some of the most beautiful and most profound experiences that human beings can have. And therefore we're right to want to understand them and to explore that landscape. S: But it does raise the question, what do you mean by spiritual? And what do you mean by mystical? H: By spiritual and mystical -- I use them interchangeably -- I mean any effort to understand and explore happiness and well-being itself through deliberate uses of attention. Specifically, to break the spell of discursive thought. We wake up each morning, and we're chased out of bed by our thoughts, and then we think, think, think, think all day long. And very few of us spend any significant amount of time breaking that train of thought. Meditation is one technique by which to do that. The sense that you are an ego, busy thinking, disappears. And its disappearance is quite a relief. S: Well, it's interesting to hear this description of mysticism because I don't think that's how most people would see it. I mean, most people would play up the more irrational side. Yes, you're losing yourself, but you're plunged into some larger sea of oneness, of perhaps transcendent presence. Obviously, you're staying away from that whole supernatural way of thinking. H: Well, it's very Buddhist of me to do that. The Buddhists tend to talk in terms of what it's not. They talk about it being no self, they talk in terms of emptiness. But the theistic traditions talk in terms of what the experience is like. There, you get descriptions of fullness and rapture and love and oneness. And to some degree, I've had experiences that can be characterized that way. But there are pitfalls in using that language. People tend to reify these states and make metaphysics out of it. It's not like you learn about physics by being a mystic. S: I want to ask you about one sentence from your book The End of Faith. You say, Whatever is true now should be discoverable now. It sounds like you're putting inordinate faith in science. Are you willing to acknowledge that there might be plenty of things we still don't understand scientifically that could very well be true? H: There's no scientist who would hesitate to acknowledge that. This is one of the ironies of religious discourse. Religious people talk in terms of their own humility and talk of the intellectual arrogance of science, whereas the situation is totally reversed. Every scientist worth his Ph.D. will admit that we have no idea how the universe, or why the universe, came into existence. We have no idea why there is everything rather than nothing. And most of what is there to be discovered has not been discovered. S: Let me mention one case in point. There is a wealth of anthropological literature about sorcery in Africa and Latin America, and there are plenty of personal testimonies about the power of witchcraft. From the scientific world view, this looks like sheer nonsense. Yet I'm wondering if it might be
[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: Thoughts on what is going on in Israel what about this?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, larry.potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unfortunately Israel is at war. Fortunately Israel is at war. Better to face up to the enemy(Iran) now rather than later, when he is stronger. This is the opening of War against Iran, who are using their proxies -- the Hizbullah in Leb What about these quotes from Israel's leaders. http://www.monabaker.com/quotes.htm We must expel Arabs and take their places. -- David Ben Gurion, 1937, Ben Gurion and the Palestine Arabs, Oxford University Press, 1985. We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population. -- David Ben-Gurion, May 1948, to the General Staff. From Ben-Gurion, A Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte, New York 1978. There has been Anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that? -- Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp. 121-122. Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist. Not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushua in the place of Tal al-Shuman. There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population. -- David Ben Gurion, quoted in The Jewish Paradox, by Nahum Goldmann, Weidenfeld and Nicolson, 1978, p. 99. Let us not ignore the truth among ourselves ... politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves... The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in their view we want to take away from them their country. -- David Ben Gurion, quoted on pp 91-2 of Chomsky's Fateful Triangle, which appears in Simha Flapan's Zionism and the Palestinians pp 141-2 citing a 1938 speech. If I knew that it was possible to save all the children of Germany by transporting them to England, and only half by transferring them to the Land of Israel, I would choose the latter, for before us lies not only the numbers of these children but the historical reckoning of the people of Israel. -- David Ben-Gurion (Quoted on pp 855-56 in Shabtai Teveth's Ben-Gurion in a slightly different translation). David Ben Gurion Prime Minister of Israel 1949 - 1954, 1955 - 1963 There is no such thing as a Palestinian people... It is not as if we came and threw them out and took their country. They didn't exist. -- Golda Meir, statement to The Sunday Times, 15 June, 1969. How can we return the occupied territories? There is nobody to return them to. -- Golda Meir, March 8, 1969. Any one who speaks in favor of bringing the Arab refugees back must also say how he expects to take the responsibility for it, if he is interested in the state of Israel. It is better that things are stated clearly and plainly: We shall not let this happen. -- Golda Meir, 1961, in a speech to the Knesset, reported in Ner, October 1961 This country exists as the fulfillment of a promise made by God Himself. It would be ridiculous to ask it to account for its legitimacy. -- Golda Meir, Le Monde, 15 October 1971 Golda Meir Prime Minister of Israel 1969 - 1974 We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. Allon repeated his question, What is to be done with the Palestinian population?' Ben-Gurion waved his hand in a gesture which said 'Drive them out! -- Yitzhak Rabin, leaked censored version of Rabin memoirs, published in the New York Times, 23 October 1979. [Israel will] create in the course of the next 10 or 20 years conditions which would attract natural and voluntary migration of the refugees from the Gaza Strip and the west Bank to Jordan. To achieve this we have to come to agreement with King Hussein and not with Yasser Arafat. -- Yitzhak Rabin (a Prince of Peace by Clinton's standards), explaining his method of ethnically cleansing the occupied land without stirring a world outcry. (Quoted in David Shipler in the New York Times, 04/04/1983 citing Meir Cohen's remarks to the Knesset's foreign affairs and defense committee on March 16.) Yitzhak Rabin Prime Minister of Israel 1974 - 1977, 1992 - 1995 [The Palestinians] are beasts walking on two legs. -- Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin, speech to the Knesset, quoted in Amnon Kapeliouk, Begin and the 'Beasts,' New Statesman, June 25, 1982. The Partition of Palestine is illegal. It will never be recognized Jerusalem was and will for ever be our capital. Eretz Israel will be restored to the people of Israel. All of it. And for Ever. -- Menachem Begin, the day after the U.N. vote to
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'US Pundits say World War III started...'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 17, 2006, at 6:21 AM, Robert Gimbel wrote: A number of 'pundits' including Newt Gingrinch, have said that this escalation in Israel, is the beginning of WWIII. What do people think of this analysis? ? There was a famous high Lama from Tibet here in the US on Sept. 11, 2001. They just happened to have the TV on when the planes hit the world trade buildings and he commented then This is the beginning of WW 3. So he has been proven wrong. Its been five years. No WWIII. There is a statute of limitations on predictions. Unless he is saying, sometime between sept 11, and the end of time, WWIII will happen. Then its not wrong -- hey it dould happen in yea 2905, its just silly. His students immediately asked him to not say any more, because being omniscient, Uh huh. It could very well be the beginning of WW 3. Well, it wasn't. I could have been the beginning of anything. But what they're (which secret group again? Haliburtons inolved, right?) not telling us is that this war IS a religious war. Most wars through history have been. If you'd like I'll repost the article on what this lama said and what the Kalachakra prophecies say (it's by his translator). It's not for the faint of heart, the PC or those who think all religions are good, some just have a few bad apples. Which is what he says, ofd course, that he is not talking about islam as a whole, but (radical) fundmentalism. I am not so fond of (radical) christian fundamentalists. I am begig to worry about (radical) bigoted neo-buddhists. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: Thoughts on what is going on in Israel
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, larry.potter larry.potter@ wrote: Israel didn't ask for these confrontations... ..she may not have, but has created the perfect conditions for trouble. The idea of peppering settlements of Israelis throughout the land mass do you mean the land that Jews made flourish and productive and that recently the palestinians got as a gift for peace but instead made it back into ruin and are used asterrorists cells? of Palestine itself must be barking mad: http://www.mideastweb.org/map_israel_settlements.htm Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: Thoughts on what is going on in Israel what about this?
what about it? \ --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, johnlasher20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, larry.potter larry.potter@ wrote: Unfortunately Israel is at war. Fortunately Israel is at war. Better to face up to the enemy(Iran) now rather than later, when he is stronger. This is the opening of War against Iran, who are using their proxies -- the Hizbullah in Leb What about these quotes from Israel's leaders. http://www.monabaker.com/quotes.htm We must expel Arabs and take their places. -- David Ben Gurion, 1937, Ben Gurion and the Palestine Arabs, Oxford University Press, 1985. We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population. -- David Ben-Gurion, May 1948, to the General Staff. From Ben-Gurion, A Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte, New York 1978. There has been Anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that? -- Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp. 121-122. Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist. Not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushua in the place of Tal al-Shuman. There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population. -- David Ben Gurion, quoted in The Jewish Paradox, by Nahum Goldmann, Weidenfeld and Nicolson, 1978, p. 99. Let us not ignore the truth among ourselves ... politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves... The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in their view we want to take away from them their country. -- David Ben Gurion, quoted on pp 91-2 of Chomsky's Fateful Triangle, which appears in Simha Flapan's Zionism and the Palestinians pp 141-2 citing a 1938 speech. If I knew that it was possible to save all the children of Germany by transporting them to England, and only half by transferring them to the Land of Israel, I would choose the latter, for before us lies not only the numbers of these children but the historical reckoning of the people of Israel. -- David Ben-Gurion (Quoted on pp 855-56 in Shabtai Teveth's Ben-Gurion in a slightly different translation). David Ben Gurion Prime Minister of Israel 1949 - 1954, 1955 - 1963 There is no such thing as a Palestinian people... It is not as if we came and threw them out and took their country. They didn't exist. -- Golda Meir, statement to The Sunday Times, 15 June, 1969. How can we return the occupied territories? There is nobody to return them to. -- Golda Meir, March 8, 1969. Any one who speaks in favor of bringing the Arab refugees back must also say how he expects to take the responsibility for it, if he is interested in the state of Israel. It is better that things are stated clearly and plainly: We shall not let this happen. -- Golda Meir, 1961, in a speech to the Knesset, reported in Ner, October 1961 This country exists as the fulfillment of a promise made by God Himself. It would be ridiculous to ask it to account for its legitimacy. -- Golda Meir, Le Monde, 15 October 1971 Golda Meir Prime Minister of Israel 1969 - 1974 We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. Allon repeated his question, What is to be done with the Palestinian population?' Ben-Gurion waved his hand in a gesture which said 'Drive them out! -- Yitzhak Rabin, leaked censored version of Rabin memoirs, published in the New York Times, 23 October 1979. [Israel will] create in the course of the next 10 or 20 years conditions which would attract natural and voluntary migration of the refugees from the Gaza Strip and the west Bank to Jordan. To achieve this we have to come to agreement with King Hussein and not with Yasser Arafat. -- Yitzhak Rabin (a Prince of Peace by Clinton's standards), explaining his method of ethnically cleansing the occupied land without stirring a world outcry. (Quoted in David Shipler in the New York Times, 04/04/1983 citing Meir Cohen's remarks to the Knesset's foreign affairs and defense committee on March 16.) Yitzhak Rabin Prime Minister of Israel 1974 - 1977, 1992 - 1995 [The Palestinians] are beasts walking on two legs. -- Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin, speech to the Knesset, quoted in Amnon Kapeliouk, Begin and the 'Beasts,' New Statesman, June 25, 1982. The Partition
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 9/11 and The Kalachakra Prophecies
On Jul 17, 2006, at 5:15 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:In a message dated 7/17/06 4:11:51 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:What's next? Europe some say: France, Germany, Spain, etc. The great Koranic injunction "lay in wait for the infidel" takes many forms. But one the west did not expect was for hordes of immigrants to *not* assimilate and then breed and multiply--and then declare Shariah law on "their" city--or Allah's city.Don't leaver out England either.OMG, yeah. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Voodoo TM or TM Program...which do YOU practise?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since you turned me on to this article I know you understand his point which is made in the rest of the article. In his book Sam Harris points out that irrational beliefs are different only in content. They are based on ancient scriptures dictating to modern people things that cannot or have not been proved. Define irrational. Note that Harris very explicitly does *not* rule out the idea that the mind can have an effect on the physical world. Is it irrational for him not to rule it out, given that it hasn't been proved? He doesn't seem at all inclined to assert that it's patently absurd. The authority based belief systems all have this flaw. If you had been given the flying sutra blind, without all the hype, would you conclude that you were about to stay in the air? I didn't conclude that even *with* the hype, Curtis. However, if I'd had no idea what was supposed to happen, but had the same subjective experiences, there would have come a point when I suddenly recognized what was supposed to happen, because at times, at the apex of a hop, I have the sense for a split-second that I'm not going to come down again. This is a *visceral* sense, not any kind of intellectual notion. It's something my body knows. That split-second is only a split-second; it doesn't last. But it's an instant in which the potential becomes not just crystal clear but self-evident: If I were able to maintain the exact state I'm in at that moment, I'd stay in the air. (Note that even *with* this experience, hoping to fly is not why I practice the levitation sutra and the rest of the TM-Sidhis techniques. I practice them because they're enjoyable and have beneficial effects in activity that are well worth the time spent.) But Nature Speaking English (Domash's term for MMY) proclaimed that is shall be so, despite such a dismal track record of anyone actually doing it. He even uses yogic scriptures to back up his claim. So there is no reason to believe, other than his word that it is so, that you will someday float in the air. Plus all the (admittedly anecdotal) accounts of people levitating, throughout history and across cultures. Just for the record, Patanjali's Yoga Sutras are scriptures only in a generic sense. They're actually a practical instruction manual for development of consciousness. As far as Sam's other point that amazing claims can and should be tested...MMY has had how many years to put up or shut up with flying? Harris is talking about testing claims that something *has* occurred, not that it *will* occur at some point. Obviously, you can't test a claim with an open-ended time frame. You know better than that, Curtis. When do we celebrate the 30th year of no one flying? Now, scientists tend to be dogmatically opposed to looking at this kind of phenomenon -- at telepathy, for instance, because there's been so much fraud and wishful thinking. Take your pick. How, um, clever of you to leave out the rest of the paragraph, not to mention the following question and answer: H: Science generally has been eager to divest itself of the spookiness of this area. But I think that kind of phenomenon is fascinating and worth looking into. And it may be that minds have some effect upon the physical world that we currently can't explain. But the way we will explain it is scientifically. S: It sounds like you're open-minded to the possibility of telepathy - - things that we might classify as psychic. You're saying it's entirely possible that they might be true and science at some point will be able to prove them. H: Yeah, and there's a lot of data out there that's treated in most circles like intellectual pornography that attests to there being a real phenomenon here. I just don't know. But I've had the kinds of experiences that everyone has had that seem to confirm telepathy or the fact that minds can influence other minds. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'US Pundits say World War III started...'
On Jul 17, 2006, at 6:39 PM, new.morning wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 17, 2006, at 6:21 AM, Robert Gimbel wrote: A number of 'pundits' including Newt Gingrinch, have said that this escalation in Israel, is the beginning of WWIII. What do people think of this analysis? ? There was a famous high Lama from Tibet here in the US on Sept. 11, 2001. They just happened to have the TV on when the planes hit the world trade buildings and he commented then "This is the beginning of WW 3". So he has been proven wrong. Its been five years. No WWIII. There is a statute of limitations on predictions. Unless he is saying, "sometime between sept 11, and the end of time, WWIII will happen." Then its not wrong -- "hey it dould happen in yea 2905, its just silly.No, you miss the point. It's been a chain reaction since then. Ask yourself: what chains of events, what animosities have been created since the American *reaction* to 9/11.For example: how is Iran pulling the strings in Lebanon and elsewhere responsible for the current war with Israel? Of course you'll just obfuscate as usual... His students immediately asked him to not say any more, because being omniscient, Uh huh. Understandably this would be something you'd have to have experienced to grok. Otherwise it just seems too wild. It could very well be the beginning of WW 3. Well, it wasn't. I could have been the beginning of anything. But what they're (which secret group again? Haliburtons inolved, right?) not telling us is that this war IS a religious war. Most wars through history have been. If you'd like I'll repost the article on what this lama said and what the Kalachakra prophecies say (it's by his translator). It's not for the faint of heart, the PC or those who think all religions are good, some just have a few bad apples. Which is what he says, ofd course, that he is not talking about islam as a whole, but (radical) fundmentalism. I am not so fond of (radical) christian fundamentalists.And really (if you watched the KW videos on terrorism) you find that it is this same pattern: ethnocentric gods and an egocentric moral development with a "narcissistic emotional driver" pushing it forward. You'll find this in many places. What the kalachakra prophecies are pointing to is that on a global scale what might be most worrysome is radical islam. This makes sense: even though, for example, it was the radical minority that was behind the English tube bombings--the majority of Islamic brits supported their actions! Can you say that the majority of radical X-tians supported Timothy McVeigh's bombing? I don't think so... I am begig to worry about (radical) bigoted neo-buddhists. Well if they're pumping sarin gas into your subway, then I'd worry. Rather than that worrying I'd recommend you visit the first great university (Nalanda) and other sites that were destroyed in the past--or the two million that disappeared in "east Pakistan" (Bangladesh). You probably remember the concert but never knew of the genocide. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: Thoughts on what is going on in Israel what about this?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, larry.potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what about it? \ busted...here's another quote for you: As you sow, so shall you reap. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, johnlasher20002000 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, larry.potter larry.potter@ wrote: Unfortunately Israel is at war. Fortunately Israel is at war. Better to face up to the enemy(Iran) now rather than later, when he is stronger. This is the opening of War against Iran, who are using their proxies -- the Hizbullah in Leb What about these quotes from Israel's leaders. http://www.monabaker.com/quotes.htm We must expel Arabs and take their places. -- David Ben Gurion, 1937, Ben Gurion and the Palestine Arabs, Oxford University Press, 1985. We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population. -- David Ben-Gurion, May 1948, to the General Staff. From Ben-Gurion, A Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte, New York 1978. There has been Anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that? -- Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp. 121-122. Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist. Not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushua in the place of Tal al-Shuman. There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population. -- David Ben Gurion, quoted in The Jewish Paradox, by Nahum Goldmann, Weidenfeld and Nicolson, 1978, p. 99. Let us not ignore the truth among ourselves ... politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves... The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in their view we want to take away from them their country. -- David Ben Gurion, quoted on pp 91-2 of Chomsky's Fateful Triangle, which appears in Simha Flapan's Zionism and the Palestinians pp 141-2 citing a 1938 speech. If I knew that it was possible to save all the children of Germany by transporting them to England, and only half by transferring them to the Land of Israel, I would choose the latter, for before us lies not only the numbers of these children but the historical reckoning of the people of Israel. -- David Ben-Gurion (Quoted on pp 855-56 in Shabtai Teveth's Ben-Gurion in a slightly different translation). David Ben Gurion Prime Minister of Israel 1949 - 1954, 1955 - 1963 There is no such thing as a Palestinian people... It is not as if we came and threw them out and took their country. They didn't exist. -- Golda Meir, statement to The Sunday Times, 15 June, 1969. How can we return the occupied territories? There is nobody to return them to. -- Golda Meir, March 8, 1969. Any one who speaks in favor of bringing the Arab refugees back must also say how he expects to take the responsibility for it, if he is interested in the state of Israel. It is better that things are stated clearly and plainly: We shall not let this happen. -- Golda Meir, 1961, in a speech to the Knesset, reported in Ner, October 1961 This country exists as the fulfillment of a promise made by God Himself. It would be ridiculous to ask it to account for its legitimacy. -- Golda Meir, Le Monde, 15 October 1971 Golda Meir Prime Minister of Israel 1969 - 1974 We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. Allon repeated his question, What is to be done with the Palestinian population?' Ben-Gurion waved his hand in a gesture which said 'Drive them out! -- Yitzhak Rabin, leaked censored version of Rabin memoirs, published in the New York Times, 23 October 1979. [Israel will] create in the course of the next 10 or 20 years conditions which would attract natural and voluntary migration of the refugees from the Gaza Strip and the west Bank to Jordan. To achieve this we have to come to agreement with King Hussein and not with Yasser Arafat. -- Yitzhak Rabin (a Prince of Peace by Clinton's standards), explaining his method of ethnically cleansing the occupied land without stirring a world outcry. (Quoted in David Shipler in the New York Times, 04/04/1983 citing Meir Cohen's remarks to the Knesset's foreign affairs and defense committee on March 16.)
[FairfieldLife] DVD of David Lynch weekend
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Voodoo TM or TM Program...which do YOU practise?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Since you turned me on to this article I know you understand his point which is made in the rest of the article. In his book Sam Harris points out that irrational beliefs are different only in content. They are based on ancient scriptures dictating to modern people things that cannot or have not been proved. Define irrational. 1. 1. Not endowed with reason. 2. Affected by loss of usual or normal mental clarity; incoherent, as from shock. 3. Marked by a lack of accord with reason or sound judgment: an irrational dislike. 2. 1. Being a syllable in Greek and Latin prosody whose length does not fit the metric pattern. 2. Being a metric foot containing such a syllable. 3. Mathematics. Of or relating to an irrational number. So it is not rational to believe things for which there is no proof. You may think something is worth testing, but if there is no proof, reasonable people don't assert its truth. People who believe things that have already been proved false are afflicted with a loss of usual or normal mental clarity. Note that Harris very explicitly does *not* rule out the idea that the mind can have an effect on the physical world. Is it irrational for him not to rule it out, given that it hasn't been proved? He doesn't seem at all inclined to assert that it's patently absurd. He may or may not assert that hovering in the air is patently absurd. He does not address this phenomenon. But he would see that there is no evidence of it happening yet. So the belief in flying is not based on anyone's experience, so it is not rational. He is referring to things that people experience, not things they hope to experience. He is talking about things that can be tested, not things that cannot be tested because they have not happened yet. His open mindedness is a nice reminder to skeptics that we need to keep pushing the limits of testing claims. MMY's claims have been tested and he has failed. Now all that is left is a belief with no evidence. I agree with Sam that we don't know if the mind can effect the physical world yet. But Uri Geller and MMY have not advanced our understanding with their claims of miracles. The authority based belief systems all have this flaw. If you had been given the flying sutra blind, without all the hype, would you conclude that you were about to stay in the air? I didn't conclude that even *with* the hype, Curtis. However, if I'd had no idea what was supposed to happen, but had the same subjective experiences, there would have come a point when I suddenly recognized what was supposed to happen, because at times, at the apex of a hop, I have the sense for a split-second that I'm not going to come down again. This is a *visceral* sense, not any kind of intellectual notion. It's something my body knows. That split-second is only a split-second; it doesn't last. But it's an instant in which the potential becomes not just crystal clear but self-evident: If I were able to maintain the exact state I'm in at that moment, I'd stay in the air. (Note that even *with* this experience, hoping to fly is not why I practice the levitation sutra and the rest of the TM-Sidhis techniques. I practice them because they're enjoyable and have beneficial effects in activity that are well worth the time spent.) I would never challenge your right to practice something that gives you pleasure or benefit. I'm glad you have found something that you value. My comments are directed to MMY's organization that promotes the idea that people can fly but have shown no proof that even remotely suggests that someday people will fly. Hopping is not the first stage of flying, it is the last stage of hopping around. It also hurts your back so I hope you are careful. What you may feel during the experience has nothing to do with the reality of it. When I practiced flying I would have described it the way you have. I think you have a pretty grounded view of its place in your life and a healthy let's see attitude about the more extravagant claims. I would love to be proved wrong about people flying but there are more obvious things to test right now, especially in medical areas. But Nature Speaking English (Domash's term for MMY) proclaimed that is shall be so, despite such a dismal track record of anyone actually doing it. He even uses yogic scriptures to back up his claim. So there is no reason to believe, other than his word that it is so, that you will someday float in the air. Plus all the (admittedly anecdotal) accounts of people levitating, throughout history and across cultures. Most of them are in advocacy pieces whose purpose is to make a person seem more special. The Christian tradition has a few of them. When you read
[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: Thoughts on what is going on in Israel what about this?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] busted...here's another quote for you: As you sow, so shall you reap. you bet. and your point is ? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'US Pundits say World War III started...'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 17, 2006, at 6:39 PM, new.morning wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Jul 17, 2006, at 6:21 AM, Robert Gimbel wrote: A number of 'pundits' including Newt Gingrinch, have said that this escalation in Israel, is the beginning of WWIII. What do people think of this analysis? ? There was a famous high Lama from Tibet here in the US on Sept. 11, 2001. They just happened to have the TV on when the planes hit the world trade buildings and he commented then This is the beginning of WW 3. So he has been proven wrong. Its been five years. No WWIII. There is a statute of limitations on predictions. Unless he is saying, sometime between sept 11, and the end of time, WWIII will happen. Then its not wrong -- hey it dould happen in yea 2905, its just silly. No, you miss the point. No, you missed the point, which is not infrequent. It's been a chain reaction since then. And Desert Storm was a cause of 9/11. And US support of Saddam in 80's was a cause of Desert Storm. And the overthrow of the Shah of Iran was a cause of US support of Saddam in the 80s .. how far back do you want to take the chain back? You might as well say the overthrow of the Shah was the start of WWIII if you are simply pointing out that one historical event leads to another. We can take it back to the Birth of Christ. Of course you'll just obfuscate as usual... Often it appears like that to a confused, irrational, conspiratorially paranoid mind. His students immediately asked him to not say any more, because being omniscient, Uh huh. Understandably this would be something you'd have to have experienced to grok. Otherwise it just seems too wild. Ok obie won. You appear gullible enough to believe some unknowne person is omnicient because his unknown students say he his -- but that is not my cup of tea. Which is what he says, ofd course, that he is not talking about islam as a whole, but (radical) fundmentalism. I am not so fond of (radical) christian fundamentalists. And really (if you watched the KW videos on terrorism) you find that it is this same pattern: ethnocentric gods and an egocentric moral development with a narcissistic emotional driver pushing it forward. Um, that must be convincing to some of your position, I suppose, that Islam as a whole is a bad religion. However, I am, unconvinced by your stellar logic and facts. You'll find this in many places. Everywhere I bet. What the kalachakra prophecies are pointing to is that on a global scale what might be most worrysome is radical islam. Funny, I never heard HHDL say that. Even when I was present for KC. Well it was in tibetian so I might have missed a bit. So are you suggesting HHDL, who is he primary (only?) conducter of KC believes all muslims are evil and Islam is a bad evil religion? This makes sense: even though, for example, it was the radical minority that was behind the English tube bombings--the majority of Islamic brits supported their actions! Can you say that the majority of radical X-tians supported Timothy McVeigh's bombing? I don't think so... Oh, that makes it clear and logical? I am begig to worry about (radical) bigoted neo-buddhists. Well if they're pumping sarin gas into your subway, then I'd worry. Rather than that worrying I'd recommend you visit the first great university (Nalanda) and other sites that were destroyed in the past-- or the two million that disappeared in east Pakistan (Bangladesh). You probably remember the concert but never knew of the genocide. ok dokie. And this somehow proves that islam as a whole is a bad religion? That you present your points as serious arguments, how could anyone possibly take seriously your insights, your interpretations of what you think you have heard spiritual teachers say, or your conclusions on spiritual or any matters. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Voodoo TM or TM Program...which do YOU practise?
I apologize for not reading the earlier posts where you quoted extensively from Harris. You're right about him. He reflects my thinking as well. Esentially, it comes down to this. Claims made require testing. MMY's claims with regard to yogic flying have been found seriously wanting and those desiring to believe those claims in the face of no supporting evidence are deluding themselves. The TMO is real good about advancing delusion. Jyotish falls into that area as well. And while we're at it, let's test yagyas too! I think I know what the results will show. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes that was right out of Sam Harris' perspective! He is one of my favorite thinkers. I must add that I was a full believer in all things TM at one time so my critique of this kind of belief is also a critique of my own former beliefs. Taking on and then shedding the beliefs of TM was an important experience for me. I am fascinated by people with more spiritual beliefs than I myself hold. This Yahoo group seems especially tolerant of different views and the rights of people expressing them. I agree with your point that blending crazy beliefs and explosives takes the whole discussion out of the theoretical and into the world of holy shit! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dave bikemaster@ wrote: Very well said. Have you read Sam Harris' book, End of Faith, or something like that? He says pretty much the same thing. And, normally, I don't care if people want to belief preposterous stuff, but lately with people strapping on bombs and blowing themselves up in coffee houses because they believe that 70 virgins will greet them in paradise, it hits a lot closer to home. And that's much worse than a bunch of lemmings who have the delusion that people can fly, but certainly cut from the same non- critical thinking cloth. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: The fact that you are even discussing the impossibility of flying is the result of a very successful marketing campaign isn't it? Based on people hopping around, MMY asserted that people would soon fly. Now, so many years later, for a dwindling group, the hope remains. This is one of the most fascinating lenses to view people's beliefs. The question for me is how could otherwise bright people believe something so patently absurd? The answer to that question goes right to the heart of how humans develop beliefs. It goes to the heart of what makes us human, and may be the thing that ends up destroying us. Right now different groups in the Middle East believe that God gave them a piece of land. Based on that belief they are killing each other. How can people believe that hopping is the first stage of flying, or that God gave their group a piece of land? We all have to find our own answers don't we? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dave bikemaster@ wrote: Here's the point: Photographs aside, a critical thinker will ask if there is any evidence that anyone has ever levitated. There is not. No one is going to levitate either, I'm asserting. It's all more BS from the TMO. Those who believe that levitation is happening or will happen are probably those who accept everything that MMY says, without any critical examination. I, for one, think it's all crap ... VooDoo TM, was was referenced earlier. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip Just for the record, since about 1984, the TMO has been quite clear that actual flying has not yet been achieved, and that all practitioners are doing is hopping. Yes, but 1977-1983 were some crazy, mixed- up, wild- ass
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[FairfieldLife] Martyrs (was Re: Voodoo TM or TM Program)
--- curtisdeltablues wrote: I agree with your point that blending crazy beliefs and explosives takes the whole discussion out of the theoretical and into the world of holy shit! --- Dave bikemaster@ wrote: with people strapping on bombs and blowing themselves up in coffee houses because they believe that 70 virgins will greet them in paradise, it hits a lot closer to home. A short time before 9/11/2001, I read or heard somewhere that terrorism arises from a deep sense of hopelessness and powerlessness. But I'm surprised that with all my reading, I haven't run across any kind of compelling discourse as to why terrorists kill civilians and themselves. Has anybody run across a cogent essay somewhere that has some insight into terrorism? Or do you have some insights yourself? Anyone. Thanks. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Voodoo TM or TM Program...which do YOU practise?
Esentially, it comes down to this. Claims made require testing. MMY's claims with regard to yogic flying have been found seriously wanting and those desiring to believe those claims in the face of no supporting evidence are deluding themselves. The TMO is real good about advancing delusion. Jyotish falls into that area as well. And while we're at it, let's test yagyas too! I think I know what the results will show. Good points. I think MMY has had his day. The early tests on meditation were really interesting and probably encouraged a lot of interest in mind-body studies outside the movement. But all the silly stuff that came later has had plenty of time to pass muster and it has not. The Yagya and Joitish stuff are usually put in a non-falsifiable form. I know some people who have spent thousands on Yagyas. Guess who they blame when they don't work? Themselves! This stuff has torn the movement apart as people grow older and get sick of the wild claims and never-ending money schemes. It still is facinating isn't it? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I apologize for not reading the earlier posts where you quoted extensively from Harris. You're right about him. He reflects my thinking as well. Esentially, it comes down to this. Claims made require testing. MMY's claims with regard to yogic flying have been found seriously wanting and those desiring to believe those claims in the face of no supporting evidence are deluding themselves. The TMO is real good about advancing delusion. Jyotish falls into that area as well. And while we're at it, let's test yagyas too! I think I know what the results will show. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Yes that was right out of Sam Harris' perspective! He is one of my favorite thinkers. I must add that I was a full believer in all things TM at one time so my critique of this kind of belief is also a critique of my own former beliefs. Taking on and then shedding the beliefs of TM was an important experience for me. I am fascinated by people with more spiritual beliefs than I myself hold. This Yahoo group seems especially tolerant of different views and the rights of people expressing them. I agree with your point that blending crazy beliefs and explosives takes the whole discussion out of the theoretical and into the world of holy shit! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dave bikemaster@ wrote: Very well said. Have you read Sam Harris' book, End of Faith, or something like that? He says pretty much the same thing. And, normally, I don't care if people want to belief preposterous stuff, but lately with people strapping on bombs and blowing themselves up in coffee houses because they believe that 70 virgins will greet them in paradise, it hits a lot closer to home. And that's much worse than a bunch of lemmings who have the delusion that people can fly, but certainly cut from the same non- critical thinking cloth. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: The fact that you are even discussing the impossibility of flying is the result of a very successful marketing campaign isn't it? Based on people hopping around, MMY asserted that people would soon fly. Now, so many years later, for a dwindling group, the hope remains. This is one of the most fascinating lenses to view people's beliefs. The question for me is how could otherwise bright people believe something so patently absurd? The answer to that question goes right to the heart of how humans develop beliefs. It goes to the heart of what makes us human, and may be the thing that ends up destroying us. Right now different groups in the Middle East believe that God gave them a piece of land. Based on that belief they are killing each other. How can people believe that hopping is the first stage of flying, or that God gave their group a piece of land? We all have to find our own answers don't we? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dave bikemaster@ wrote: Here's the point: Photographs aside, a critical thinker will ask if there is any evidence that anyone has ever levitated. There is not. No one is going to levitate either, I'm asserting. It's all more BS from the TMO. Those who believe that levitation is happening or will happen are probably those who accept everything that MMY says, without any critical examination. I, for one, think it's all crap ... VooDoo TM, was was referenced earlier. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In
