[FairfieldLife] Re: Mushrooms are truly magic
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, coshlnx coshlnx@ wrote: --- from New Scientist, p. 5, July 15, 2006: Magic mushrooms, revered for their hallucinogenic effects, really do produce a spiritual high. Almost two-thirds of people given the active ingredient, psilocybin, said they had a full mystical experience, unlike when they took the amphetamine-like stimulant methylphenidate, while a third said their trip was the most spiritually significant of their lives. --- --- So how does one define spiritual high? The TM spiritual high isn't all that impressive, experentially: nothing happens. Lol! You must be joking ! However, many meditation techniques appear to induce massive amounts of bliss of the kind that people liken to sexual orgasm. My experience of the sidhis from the start, only much better than sex, although now the two are less distinct...both amazing ! OffWorld I think think this explains qutie a bit... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Was John Lennon Right About Maharishi?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sinhlnx sinhlnx@ wrote: ---(discussion below - TM and other techniques). Vaj, I've concluded that you were never initiated into TM, otherwise, you wouldn't be so misguided on the contrasts between TM and other techniques. Please set the record straight: were you or were you not intiated into TM as taught by MMY.? Vaj claims he was a *TM teacher*, amazingly enough. As long as you follow the teaching guidelines, you don't need to get TM in order to teach it. THAT is MMY's contribution to the world. Gurudev obviously got TM and imparted the essential nature to many/all of his disciples, but MMY is the one who mechanized the teaching for the masses. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Was John Lennon Right About Maharishi?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: snip And yet another comment from Dana: I also find the great strengths that exist in other organizations. But this thing, of our experiencing live mantrah, something that exists on its own, deep within self, that something which moves self into Self, is that thing which makes TM so very precious. This is not a unique quality of TM. It exists in all formal, Tantric Hindu and Buddhist traditions. There is no aspect of TM practice that is not common in these traditions (as I mentioned before, the only change I've seen is in how drifting from the mantra is interpreted. In TM, it's attributed to unstressing; in the mainline traditions it's attributed to lack of success. In both cases the instruction is the same - return to the mantra once you realize you're off of it. Huge, huge difference here. With the ignorant instruction, attributing being off the mantra to 'lack of success' drives the mind to concentrate, and thereby remain on the surface of the mind, encouraging the validity of the small self. Ding. With the correct or enlightened instruction, we know that for the mind to drift off the mantra is natural and not to be concerned about it. No wonder the traditionalists in India and other Eastern areas have supposed low regard for this type of meditation-- it hasn't been taught correctly for generations! Geez, it doesn't take a rocket scientist! What is Dana smoking anyway?! It isn't a matter of intelligence, it's something else, something psychological, maybe. It's like looking all over for your glasses when they're right on your nose. Inability to think outside the box? Of course, the other danger arises constantly as well I have more bliss experiences with x meditation than TM, therefore its better than TM. Bliss, as defined by MMy, is neither blissful NOR an experience in the usual sense. I know a lot of TMers that make this mistake too. It's scary. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: STATE OF EMERGENCY--IMMEDIATE ACTION NEEDED
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: snipcan only proceed by fits and starts, or it would create fear and havoc in the world by a too-rapid enlightenment. So these occasional calls to end some state of emergency are just a necessary feature of a spiritual regeneration movement trying to work in the Kaliyuga. Maybe...although I interpreted Maharishi's too big a light as an explanation as to how all the efforts in the world had NOT worked, so there must be a reason it has not worked...ie. world karma. Now...all we got is a State of Emergency. So now what was all the point of the list above (I forgot also to add to that list, recertifying teachers and stopping long-time teachers from teaching, high cost of TM, and all that) OffWorld *** MMY made it clear long ago (in his 60s pamphlet, The Divine Plan) that the movement could not proceed quickly to enlighten the world, Where? MMY wrote a pamphlet, The Divine Plan, that Charlie Lutes used to sell at the SRM meetings. In 1968, that pamphlet and two others were put together in a Bantam book titled Meditation of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, which you can buy at used book dealers, like abe.com, alibris.com so it can't be the case that he is saying that current failure is due to world karma. In fact, what appears to be failing policies is the working of the Divine Plan, which has determined that only slow growth of enlightenment values can work at this juncture of the Kaliyuga, because the karma of the people has made them stupid and incapable of quickly adjusting to an enlightened world: Then why the endless attempts to get large groups? Really competent management of the movement would have put together a lot more large groups than what are now operating. Incompetent management disallows, fortunately, more light-generation than the world could tolerate -- MMY says that too rapid enlightenment in the world would produce fear and havoc, not the desired bliss. It's like a meditator with an unstable nervous system who over-meditates and flips out. MMY's cheerleading to the incompetent leaders of the TMO to go and do great things is like the coaches at the Special Olympics cheering on the participants -- nobody really thinks they're going to break any real records, but they have fun and they're fun to watch. When the objectivity [man's material life] overtakes subjectivity [the divine intelligence in man] completely then the only way left for the subjectivity is that it should gradually rise up in such a way that its regeneration does not in any way tend to overthrow the validity of material life. On the other hand, the manner of spiritual regeneration should be such that instead of creating fear and havoc to material life, It is going to be havoc, because it has been too slow and the window may have been lost due to endless silly activities that don't work. OffWorld The current havoc in the world would be worse if the TMO were pumping more light into the world than it could handle (and there is simply no doubt about what MMY about this in The Divine Plan). That MUM student, Sem, was a mess, but a tolerable mess, until he started over-meditating (doubling his meditation time by adding 10 mins for every hour of class time), and ended up flipping out and killing some poor guy. More to the point, he apparently stopped taking his meds because he believed (without verifying with his doctor) that he no longer needed them. Remember Columbine? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: STATE OF EMERGENCY--IMMEDIATE ACTION NEEDED
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Barry, not that you'd be panhandling, but I am sure you take advantage of the excellent wine there, as I would...we have a French neighbor and she and her husband have a bottle of French wine (red, of course...) when we have dinner with them. The last one was a Burgundy- yum! I was going to quote you the label, but you'd probably laugh as there are so many good wines there (as here...). Cheers! It's really astounding how many good wines there are here, and how cheap some of them are (the exception are the Bordeaux, which are overly expensive every- whereK). But as it turns out, I haven't had any of them for a few weeks now because I'm on my Summer Get This Olde Bod Back In Shape Diet and Exercise Program. Aging may not slow down one's mind, but it sure wreaks havoc on one's metabolism. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: STATE OF EMERGENCY--IMMEDIATE ACTION NEEDED
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: What about the questions no one has asked? This forum is full of people who honestly believe in the value of TM for the individual and in the value of the TM-siddhi program for the individual, and many of them believe in the value of the TM-siddhis for the world. Probably a lot more believe in this than don't, even though many are probably lurkers. And here comes this request from Maharishi to take two months off and fly for world peace, and at a bargain, by TM standards. So who's going to attend? If you are, bravo. *Whatever* the effect, the world could use it. If you're not, why not Most people here have done this many times over and now were expecting others to step up to the plate or Maharishi to create a large group in India. Maharishi himself said that he is not putting out fires anymore, just creating a permanent group. This call to emergency has been heard many times before, the world hasn't listened, and many of us probably don't think 1,000 will turn up this time. Just because the world has been close to the brink before does not mean it is not there again. If you don't trust your own judgement (or that of MMY) - feel free to consult: http://www.rand.org/hot_topics/iran.html ..and how Israel's current acts of self-defense are spinned in the Middle East: http://www.aljazeera.com/me.asp?service_ID=11665 ..and add to that the the US has President with a deplorable track record of warfare but still his hands on the football.. So you're leaving for the course exactly when, Peter? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Comments posted about 12 Great Places Article
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: Does anybody know the first person or what she could be talking about? I've never hard of any of the things she mentioned happening. Apparently I've been missing quite a bit. http://tinyurl.com/mm76s 2. Sharon Anderson For heavens sake don't come to Fairfield Iowa unless you want to go to jail. The police in Fairfield are out of control and will arrest you for the smallest infraction and jail you. The town has taxed its citizens millions upon millions of dollars for a state of the art jail facility. They expect to recoup this investment with interest. My advice to stay as far away from Fairfield and their little kangaroo court as posssible. They want to jail children down to the age of ten years old now. Its so out of control its actually insane. If you sit on a park bench you will be breath tested. If you exit a bar you will be breath tested. Fairfield has a public intox law that they use to jail anyone they suspect of drinking. If you get a parking ticket and pay it, half the time they will arrest you anyway and make you pay bail of $200 then make you pay court costs when they have their little court case in which you will be found innocent BUT YOU STILL HAVE To PAY $160. The police and the courts in Fairfield are out to get your money. The people that have to live in the filthy little hog town are taxed and taxed and taxed and taxed. The town council passes laws against skateboarding and anything they deem able to generate money at the drop of a hat. Currently the residents are struggling with the latest scheme to extract money from them in the form of an ordinance where they have to pay for repairing the sidewalks which can cost thousands and thousands of dollars and must be done by their hand picked crew. The town is all about taking your money. Poeple who have never gone to jail in their lives can go to Fairfield and find themsleves in jail for the pettiest reasons ever heard of. Come to Fairfield AND GO TO JAIL! My advice is to stay as far away from Fairfiled as possible. Its actully the worst case of out of control police and judiciary I have ever seen. Thursday, July 20, 2006 - 12:28:25 3. Holly Moore As a 30+ year resident of Fairfield, Iowa, I find the above comments by Ms. Anderson amusing and untrue. I'm sad that that is all she can comment upon about our wonderful community, but I respect her right to her opinion. I couldn't agree more with the great place designation you have bequethed upon us! Fairfield is a wonderful, wonderful place to live! The town is one of the most creative and economically vibrant communities in the nation and a lesson in excellence in American rural living. I am one of the community members who came for the university, but stay for Fairfield. I cannot imagine living anywhere else, despite having travelled around the country and overseas. For all the reasons you mention, plus many, many others, my husband and I work and volunteer here, are raising our family, and intend to retire in Fairfield. Please come visit us sometime soon, but be sure it's near the begining of the month so you can enjoy our 1st Fridays Art Walk, an amazing fusion of arts and entertainment held in over 25 art galleries and venues on and around our historic town square, the first Friday of all 12 months of the year, rain, snow, or shine. We welcome you! Thursday, July 20, 2006 - 19:34:40 Sounds like the first pesron is trying to convince people not to attend the upcoming course. Wonder why. Wow. That sounded like Lupidus/Nablus, not you, Sparaig. The only thing it sounded like to me was some kid who got busted once for being drunk in public and holds a grudge. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Was John Lennon Right About Maharishi?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How sad that some people consider him [Dana] an expert in this regard. He doesn't have a clue what he's talking about. And obviously you don't either, if you think what you quoted from him in these last few posts is somehow definitive. It's just pathetic. Not to start an argument but to ask a question I feel is relevant, how is Vaj considering Dana a credible authority any different than you consider- ing Maharishi a credible authority? It seems to me that what *both* of you do is play dueling authorities here. I don't see a lot of differences between the two approaches except in which sources you consider authoritative enough to quote to support the things you've chosen to believe. The parallel goes further. When those beliefs are challenged, both of you tend to reply by calling the authority's credentials or character into question. So where's the difference? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mushrooms are truly magic
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, coshlnx coshlnx@ wrote: --- from New Scientist, p. 5, July 15, 2006: Magic mushrooms, revered for their hallucinogenic effects, really do produce a spiritual high. Almost two-thirds of people given the active ingredient, psilocybin, said they had a full mystical experience, unlike when they took the amphetamine-like stimulant methylphenidate, while a third said their trip was the most spiritually significant of their lives. --- --- So how does one define spiritual high? The TM spiritual high isn't all that impressive, experentially: nothing happens. That's certainly the case in my case. The only thing that happens to me during PV TM is I occasionally stop breathing for a couple of seconds or so, and my breathing most of the time of a session is really shallow. OTOH, when I last time did my own version of NAMS, I got amongst other thing a fairly sudden (partial) hard on. I have a poor sense of direction, it seems my kuNDalii has that, too... :/ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Was John Lennon Right About Maharishi?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sinhlnx sinhlnx@ wrote: ---(discussion below - TM and other techniques). Vaj, I've concluded that you were never initiated into TM, otherwise, you wouldn't be so misguided on the contrasts between TM and other techniques. Please set the record straight: were you or were you not intiated into TM as taught by MMY.? Vaj claims he was a *TM teacher*, amazingly enough. As long as you follow the teaching guidelines, you don't need to get TM in order to teach it. THAT is MMY's contribution to the world. Gurudev obviously got TM and imparted the essential nature to many/all of his disciples, but MMY is the one who mechanized the teaching for the masses. Well said. I think that what is meant here (and often on this forum) by getting TM is that the person who uses that phrase is upset that the person they're saying doesn't get TM doesn't buy into the dogma about it 1) being The Best, or 2) The Only. *That* is what threatens them in the critic (because they *do* buy into this dogma), so to somehow protect the cherished notion that TM is The Best, they try to portray the critic as having never understood what TM is really about. It's a fairly sad ploy, no matter who uses it. Of course someone can understand everything about the way that TM has been described and presentd by Maharishi and, at the same time, not buy it, not believe that the description is accurate. But some people would like you to believe that this isn't true. TM is what it is. In my opinion it is a very valuable, easily-learned technique of basic meditation. But The Best? Give me a break? The very fact that its promoters claim this should give one pause. NO tech- nique or tradition is The Best; human beings are different, and respond to different approaches to self discovery differently, that's all. What may be suitable for one person, or even many, may NOT be suitable for others. The fact that the others who have moved on from TM prefer a technique that works better for them does not imply that they never got TM. That's just something that people who are threatened say to make themselves feel better for having settled for the first technique they ever tried. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] A pike attacked again!
Hauki hyökkäsi taas (a pike attacked again): http://www.iltasanomat.fi/uutiset/kotimaa/uutinen.asp?id=1207973 Mr Erkki Sinkkonen, 71, was bitten by a pike when he was swimming. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Was John Lennon Right About Maharishi?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/21/06 4:16:41 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: We say, This is a picture of Guru Dev, Maharishi's Master, from whom we have this knowledge... These are not the words I learned. This is the words I were told to use. Maybe MMY changed that too. Ingegerd To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Was John Lennon Right About Maharishi?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 21, 2006, at 3:30 PM, Paul Mason wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: I've never heard anything other than that. I never heard that Guru Dev himself gave MMY the technique. On 8th July 1971 in Amherst, U.S.A., Maharishi Mahesh Yogi made the following statement which contradicts the assumption that he never claimed the TM technique came from Guru Dev Shankaracharya Swami Brahmanand Saraswati. 'But the great impact of Guru Dev, in his lifetime, in bringing out so clearly and in such simple words, this technique of TM. And his, his blessing for, for this movement which came out much after he left his body. Because there was no, no occasion during his lifetime for, for any of his intimate blessed disciples to go out of his presence and that's why this any such movement to bless the world couldn't have started during his time'. As has been repeated here before many times, and also verified by Dana Sawyer in his research with SBS's sect the Dandis, this is an old technique, it's nothing new. They are best given through ones natural love of deity (a particular form or personal deity) or by the persons individual capacity and constitution. The only thing unique about TM is the name and a canned checking procedure (which is quite clever, but limited). People need to get over this sad clinging that it is so unique. It's not. It's ubiquitous. One could even add that in it's broader setting, there are more techniques that expand on this basic instruction (i.e. TM). And as Pete points out, the highest yoga is guru-yoga. Guru-yoga can be given as a technique and but is not limited by time or distance (i.e. proximity to the guru). For example one can receive blessing from even ancient masters if one knows the guru-yoga they used. There are even guru-yogas for awakening specific states. Is it possible to buy some books about ancient masters and their blessings in guru-yoga? Ingegerd Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Was John Lennon Right About Maharishi?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 21, 2006, at 8:40 PM, Vaj wrote: On Jul 21, 2006, at 7:29 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Jul 21, 2006, at 3:30 PM, Paul Mason wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: I've never heard anything other than that. I never heard that Guru Dev himself gave MMY the technique. On 8th July 1971 in Amherst, U.S.A., Maharishi Mahesh Yogi made the following statement which contradicts the assumption that he never claimed the TM technique came from Guru Dev Shankaracharya Swami Brahmanand Saraswati. 'But the great impact of Guru Dev, in his lifetime, in bringing out so clearly and in such simple words, this technique of TM. And his, his blessing for, for this movement which came out much after he left his body. Because there was no, no occasion during his lifetime for, for any of his intimate blessed disciples to go out of his presence and that's why this any such movement to bless the world couldn't have started during his time'. As has been repeated here before many times (Which must make it true...) , and also verified by Dana Sawyer in his research with SBS's sect the Dandis Documentation, please. On what basis was it verified? You'd have to ask Dana. He's talked to many of these guys. I have his article on the Dandis and it may mention it simply in passing, as what they do with householders. Keep in mind there are teachers in the Shank. tradition who will realize a certain student is ripe for non-dual meditation and teach them a method that isn't as dualistic as meditation with an object. And yet another comment from Dana: I also find the great strengths that exist in other organizations. But this thing, of our experiencing live mantrah, something that exists on its own, deep within self, that something which moves self into Self, is that thing which makes TM so very precious. This is not a unique quality of TM. It exists in all formal, Tantric Hindu and Buddhist traditions. There is no aspect of TM practice that is not common in these traditions (as I mentioned before, the only change I've seen is in how drifting from the mantra is interpreted. In TM, it's attributed to unstressing; in the mainline traditions it's attributed to lack of success. In both cases the instruction is the same - return to the mantra once you realize you're off of it. The sooner that TMers face the fact that there is nothing amazing or unusual about their practice (and time spent exploring the mainline Hindu traditions points this up) the sooner they'll understand why even after 35 years of regular meditation they still aren't enlightened. There is no magic technique. Maharishi was able to convince Westerners that there was simply because young Westerners didn't know better. TM is relaxing and relaxing is nice. All these years of practice by Westerners proves that TM isn't the magic pill we once thought it was. And if it was, then Asians already practicing it would have been enlightened long ago. This is my experience too. TM is good - because it gives good relaxation. But if we want something more - enlightenment - we have to add something else. And so far I cannot see that the TMO has come up with that. Ingegerd Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Tip and question for Vaj
Vaj, I know that you like Bruce Cockburn, and that you are an iTunes user. I've never indulged in it before because I understand that the music you download has restrictions, and cannot easily be converted to other formats such as WMA or MP3, and cannot be transferred from machine to machine. But sadly my CD copy of the new album has not yet arrived from Amazon, and today on the Humans mailing list there arose word of a mysterious 13th track that is not on the released album, but that they sell via iTunes. It's called 'Twilight on the Champlain Sea.' Sadly, when I log into iTunes from here, I get rerouted to the French server, which (of course) does not offer this bonus track. I have so far been unable to find a way to get around the rerouting and access the American iTunes Music Store. Do you have any suggestions for how I could do so? Thanks in advance, dude... Barry To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Comments posted about 12 Great Places Article
By the way, congrats on this article. I've been to Fairfield only once, years ago, and didn't know all that much about it until I came to FFL. It sounds as if you've managed to create a very nice place there, in the unlikeliest of locations. I wish you who live there well with it in the future, whatever the fortunes of the TMO may turn out to be. Obviously, it is no longer the dominating factor in the town; living well is. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mushrooms are truly magic
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: So how does one define spiritual high? The TM spiritual high isn't all that impressive, experentially: nothing happens. That's certainly the case in my case. The only thing that happens to me during PV TM is I occasionally stop breathing for a couple of seconds or so, and my breathing most of the time of a session is really shallow. OTOH, when I last time did my own version of NAMS, I got amongst other thing a fairly sudden (partial) hard on. I have a poor sense of direction, it seems my kuNDalii has that, too... :/ Hey, at least it was on its way up. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Comments posted about 12 Great Places Article
Exactly, sustainable living is the motivating factor here, both within and without the TMO. Obviously most of us would not have come without it, and there is a real feeling of community as much of the stress due to the TMO/non-TMO stuff fades away. I think you'd notice many positive changes if you were to visit again. Sal On Jul 22, 2006, at 3:50 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: By the way, congrats on this article. I've been to Fairfield only once, years ago, and didn't know all that much about it until I came to FFL. It sounds as if you've managed to create a very nice place there, in the unlikeliest of locations. I wish you who live there well with it in the future, whatever the fortunes of the TMO may turn out to be. Obviously, it is no longer the dominating factor in the town; living well is.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Tip and question for Vaj
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vaj, I know that you like Bruce Cockburn, and that you are an iTunes user. I've never indulged in it before because I understand that the music you download has restrictions, and cannot easily be converted to other formats such as WMA or MP3, and cannot be transferred from machine to machine. But sadly my CD copy of the new album has not yet arrived from Amazon, and today on the Humans mailing list there arose word of a mysterious 13th track that is not on the released album, but that they sell via iTunes. It's called 'Twilight on the Champlain Sea.' Sadly, when I log into iTunes from here, I get rerouted to the French server, which (of course) does not offer this bonus track. I have so far been unable to find a way to get around the rerouting and access the American iTunes Music Store. Do you have any suggestions for how I could do so? Thanks in advance, dude... Have you installed the iTunes software, or are you just logging into the iTunes Web site as you would any other Web site? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Was John Lennon Right About Maharishi?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 7/21/06 4:16:41 P.M. Central Daylight Time, babajii_99@ writes: We say, This is a picture of Guru Dev, Maharishi's Master, from whom we have this knowledge... These are not the words I learned. This is the words I were told to use. Maybe MMY changed that too. Are these the words you believe indicate that the TM technique came from Guru Dev? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Was John Lennon Right About Maharishi?'
On Jul 21, 2006, at 10:48 PM, sparaig wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 21, 2006, at 8:40 PM, Vaj wrote: On Jul 21, 2006, at 7:29 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Jul 21, 2006, at 3:30 PM, Paul Mason wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" jstein@ wrote: I've never heard anything other than that. I never heard that Guru Dev himself gave MMY the technique. On 8th July 1971 in Amherst, U.S.A., Maharishi Mahesh Yogi made the following statement which contradicts the assumption that he never claimed the TM technique came from Guru Dev Shankaracharya Swami Brahmanand Saraswati. 'But the great impact of Guru Dev, in his lifetime, in bringing out so clearly and in such simple words, this technique of TM. And his, his blessing for, for this movement which came out much after he left his body. Because there was no, no occasion during his lifetime for, for any of his intimate blessed disciples to go out of his presence and that's why this any such movement to bless the world couldn't have started during his time'. As has been repeated here before many times (Which must make it true...) , and also verified by Dana Sawyer in his research with SBS's sect the Dandis Documentation, please. On what basis was it "verified"? You'd have to ask Dana. He's talked to many of these guys. I have his article on the Dandis and it may mention it simply in passing, as what they do with householders. Keep in mind there are teachers in the Shank. tradition who will realize a certain student is ripe for non-dual meditation and teach them a method that isn't as dualistic as meditation with an object. Here's a couple comments from Dana on another list. Interestingly he finds, as do many who've contacted me during the false idea that TM was effortless threads, that some effort, even strenuous effort greatly increase the experience of TC: why would they learn from MMY what they can learn for free anywhere? Mantra japa, practiced as TMers do it, is a common practice in India. As you know, Maharishi taught that effortlessness — the key to successful practice — had been lost from general practice. Are you saying, Dana, that "mantra japa" includes instructions for effortless practice? In both Hindu and Buddhist traditions there is a long standing tradition of starting off new meditators with an easy practice. What we did/ do as TMers is often pitched in Hinduism as the correct process for those who chant kirtana. While the mantras are being chanted, stay with the tones - don't concentrate on a particular tone but keep the mind with the sound. "What if I wander off?" It's OK, just bring your attention back to the tones when you realize you've drifted off. I've heard this a hundred times. By the way, it's the initial instruction for chanting given to Hare Krishnas. The idea (whether the mantra is spoken out loud or not) is that the special character of Sanskrit mantras will draw the mind to the Absolute. BTW, in Buddhist practice - of both major traditions - concentration is cultivated. BUT, in recognition of the difficulty of perfect concentration, they often start students out with mantra repetition with a mala. Moving the beads helps keep the mind with the mantra but otherwise the student is allowed to drift. This is a baby step toward deep concentration for them. when it's done with breath counting, Tibetans sometimes tell students to focus only on the inward breath and let the mind go on the outward breath. Regarding the piece about needing thoughts during meditation because they are the products of stress relief. I've never heard that before. Perhaps because there is no teaching about "stress release" in Hinduism or Buddhism. MMY's concept of stress certainly grew out of the need to find an equivalent term for samskaras - the seeds of karma that promote action. In both traditions the notion is that samskaras predispose our views and behaviors and so perspective on them must be gained. In Buddhism the idea is to breath insight and mindfulness into them, to disentangle ourselves from their influence. In Advaita Hinduism (including TM Hinduism), the goal is to dissolve them by cultivating a deeper apprehension of Brahman/ Atman - as you know. Anyway, MMY's idea that thoughts during meditation are indicative of these samskaras dissolving (rather than simply the flux of the unfocused mind) seems to be the original idea. But is it true or only a rationalization to intice lazy Americans? I wonder. Or do you contend that effortlessness is superfluous to transcending? Yes, I'll make that claim - for the fun of exploring it. My experience is that it is possible to have the experience of what TMers call samadhi (TC) via a technique that uses extreme effort. During years of shammata and zazen I had more experiences of that sort than I did during my 15 years of regular
[FairfieldLife] Re: Comments posted about 12 Great Places Article
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Exactly, sustainable living is the motivating factor here, both within and without the TMO. Obviously most of us would not have come without it, and there is a real feeling of community as much of the stress due to the TMO/non-TMO stuff fades away. I think you'd notice many positive changes if you were to visit again. I will definitely visit if karma finds me in the general area again, and given the weirdness quotient one tends to find in my karma, it just might. :-) Seriously, I am very grateful to the Fairfield folk on this forum. You have changed many of my feelings about my own TM experience, positively. There is a sense of *balance* here in most of the members of this forum that was IMO missing during my years with the movement. I'm an old Judo guy; it predates my involvement with TM, and was probably my first spiritual path in this lifetime. Judo guys appreciate balance. There are many memories of my time with TM that I cherish and rank among my highest moments -- the tsakli of my life -- and no matter what else I may say and believe about Maharishi, I thank him for providing them. It was a nice ride. I'm happy to see that it still is for many people, and I wish them well on their Way. BTW, if I seem a little out of character today, it's because I'm getting to listen to the first new Bruce Cockburn songs I've heard in over three years. Bruce is kind of a passion for me; in a very real sense (that of the poet whose words never fail to inspire), he has been one of my spiritual teachers almost as long as Maharishi. His cinematic writing style has influenced me greatly. And because his songs and the knowledge of how he lives his life encapsulate compassion so perfectly for me, it's difficult to listen to new ones without some of it rubbing off on me. :-) Here's one of them, called 'Mystery.' I know that song lyrics rarely come across in print without the music behind them, but you might be able to hear between the lines... You can't tell me there is no mystery Mystery Mystery You can't tell me there is no mystery It's everywhere I turn Moon over junk yard where the snow lies bright Snow lies bright Snow lies bright Moon over junk yard where the snow lies bright Can set my heart to burn Stood before the shaman, I saw star-strewn space Star-strewn space Star-strewn space Stood before the shaman, I saw star strewn space Behind the eye holes in his face Infinity always gives me vertigo Vertigo Vertigo Infinity always gives me vertigo And fills me up with grace I was built on a Friday and you can't fix me You can't fix me You can't fix me I was built on a Friday and you can't fix me Even so I've done okay So grab that last bottle full of gasoline Gasoline Gasoline Grab that last bottle full of gasoline Light a toast to yesterday And don't tell me there is no mystery Mystery Mystery And don't tell me there is no mystery It overflows my cup This feast of beauty can intoxicate Intoxicate Intoxicate This feast of beauty can intoxicate Just like the finest wine So all you stumblers who believe love rules Believe love rules Believe love rules Come all you stumblers who believe love rules Stand up and let it shine Stand up and let it shine On Jul 22, 2006, at 3:50 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: By the way, congrats on this article. I've been to Fairfield only once, years ago, and didn't know all that much about it until I came to FFL. It sounds as if you've managed to create a very nice place there, in the unlikeliest of locations. I wish you who live there well with it in the future, whatever the fortunes of the TMO may turn out to be. Obviously, it is no longer the dominating factor in the town; living well is. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Was John Lennon Right About Maharishi?'
On Jul 21, 2006, at 10:49 PM, sparaig wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 21, 2006, at 8:40 PM, Vaj wrote: On Jul 21, 2006, at 7:29 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Jul 21, 2006, at 3:30 PM, Paul Mason wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" jstein@ wrote: I've never heard anything other than that. I never heard that Guru Dev himself gave MMY the technique. On 8th July 1971 in Amherst, U.S.A., Maharishi Mahesh Yogi made the following statement which contradicts the assumption that he never claimed the TM technique came from Guru Dev Shankaracharya Swami Brahmanand Saraswati. 'But the great impact of Guru Dev, in his lifetime, in bringing out so clearly and in such simple words, this technique of TM. And his, his blessing for, for this movement which came out much after he left his body. Because there was no, no occasion during his lifetime for, for any of his intimate blessed disciples to go out of his presence and that's why this any such movement to bless the world couldn't have started during his time'. As has been repeated here before many times (Which must make it true...) , and also verified by Dana Sawyer in his research with SBS's sect the Dandis Documentation, please. On what basis was it "verified"? You'd have to ask Dana. He's talked to many of these guys. I have his article on the Dandis and it may mention it simply in passing, as what they do with householders. Keep in mind there are teachers in the Shank. tradition who will realize a certain student is ripe for non-dual meditation and teach them a method that isn't as dualistic as meditation with an object.Very interesting comment on Mahesh's lack of credibility that validates much of what I've shared: How do educated middle and upper middle class Indians view MMY and the TMO? How do other saints in India view MMY? Pandits who are on the MMY payroll speak highly of him. No one else does. That's my experience. In Banaras, where some of the most respected pandits in India reside, his name is mud. He has a reputation for catering to big money, movie stars, and that ilk. In the religious community he is perceived as an uppity, low caste manipulator. Frankly, outside of his own org I've never heard a positive comment about him while in India these past eleven trips. One reason he left India, I'm sure.BTW, how many of those most respected pandits ever sat next to Tate Wale Baba with their hand on his knee? Michael Jackson? __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Was John Lennon Right About Maharishi?'
On Jul 21, 2006, at 11:50 PM, authfriend wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 21, 2006, at 9:11 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Jul 21, 2006, at 7:29 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: snip As has been repeated here before many times (Which must make it true...) , and also verified by Dana Sawyer in his research with SBS's sect the Dandis, this is an old technique, it's nothing new. (Nobody ever said TM was "new," of course--to the contrary.) snip The only thing unique about TM is the name and a "canned" checking procedure (which is quite clever, but limited). People need to get over this sad clinging that it is so unique. It's not. It's ubiquitous. Documentation, please. On what basis was it "verified"? You'd have to ask Dana. He's talked to many of these guys. I have his article on the Dandis and it may mention it simply in passing, as to what they do with householders. Ah, I see. Well, that certainly is convincing, Vaj. Some things are so well known, they hardly need documentation. It seems you just need some more exposure, perhaps to a pundit. Dana's probably the leading authority on the Dandis in the west that I know of. But on the basis of what you posted, he is clearly not an authority on TM--no more than you are. How sad that some people consider him an "expert" in this regard. He doesn't have a clue what he's talking about. And obviously you don't either, if you think what you quoted from him in these last few posts is somehow definitive. It's just pathetic. Just some casual quotes from a quick search, that's all. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Tip and question for Vaj
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Vaj, I know that you like Bruce Cockburn, and that you are an iTunes user. I've never indulged in it before because I understand that the music you download has restrictions, and cannot easily be converted to other formats such as WMA or MP3, and cannot be transferred from machine to machine. But sadly my CD copy of the new album has not yet arrived from Amazon, and today on the Humans mailing list there arose word of a mysterious 13th track that is not on the released album, but that they sell via iTunes. It's called 'Twilight on the Champlain Sea.' Sadly, when I log into iTunes from here, I get rerouted to the French server, which (of course) does not offer this bonus track. I have so far been unable to find a way to get around the rerouting and access the American iTunes Music Store. Do you have any suggestions for how I could do so? Thanks in advance, dude... Have you installed the iTunes software, or are you just logging into the iTunes Web site as you would any other Web site? Duh. :-) Thanks, but it's a rerouting issue. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Was John Lennon Right About Maharishi?'
On Jul 22, 2006, at 12:02 AM, authfriend wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Very interesting comment on Mahesh's lack of credibility that validates much of what I've shared: How do educated middle and upper middle class Indians view MMY and the TMO? How do other saints in India view MMY? Pandits who are on the MMY payroll speak highly of him. No one else does. That's my experience. In Banaras, where some of the most respected pandits in India reside, his name is mud. He has a reputation for catering to big money, movie stars, and that ilk. In the religious community he is perceived as an uppity, low caste manipulator. Frankly, outside of his own org I've never heard a positive comment about him while in India these past eleven trips. ROTFL! Yes, that sure validates MMY's lack of credibility, Vaj. Really all it is is an example from someone who's spent a lot of time in India with pundits and with Dandis and the Shanks. Sad really. I seriously doubt he'd want to take the time to write a paper on such an obvious situation LOL, esp. since TM has become so passé. After all, in a "publish or perish" world, you need something people would want to publish. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Tip and question for Vaj
On Jul 22, 2006, at 4:42 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:Vaj, I know that you like Bruce Cockburn, and that you are an iTunes user. I've never indulged in it before because I understand that the music you download has restrictions, and cannot easily be converted to other formats such as WMA or MP3, and cannot be transferred from machine to machine.Actually all you have to do to transfer it to any format, is burn your tunes as a CD and then reimport to as many machines as possible. You can also use it as is on up to 5 machines. But sadly my CD copy of the new album has not yet arrived from Amazon, and today on the Humans mailing list there arose word of a mysterious 13th track that is not on the released album, but that they sell via iTunes. It's called 'Twilight on the Champlain Sea.' Sadly, when I log into iTunes from here, I get rerouted to the French server, which (of course) does not offer this bonus track. I have so far been unable to find a way to get around the rerouting and access the American iTunes Music Store. Do you have any suggestions for how I could do so? Thanks in advance, dude... Barry I've tried that before on stuff that was only on the French or Canadian iTunes and I couldn't get around it either. Thanks for the heads up, I'll download it now.Can you receive attachments over 5 megs? __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Was John Lennon Right About Maharishi?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: How sad that some people consider him [Dana] an expert in this regard. He doesn't have a clue what he's talking about. And obviously you don't either, if you think what you quoted from him in these last few posts is somehow definitive. It's just pathetic. Not to start an argument Perish forbid! but to ask a question I feel is relevant, how is Vaj considering Dana a credible authority any different than you consider- ing Maharishi a credible authority? It isn't a matter of MMY being a credible authority. The primary issue here is the difference between the meditator considering off-the-mantra thoughts to be lack of success in meditation (i.e., not being able to stay with the mantra), and the meditator having the attitude that thoughts are a natural part of the meditation cycle, so that the meditator doesn't exert effort to stay with the mantra. Dana doesn't think this difference is important, and therefore believes TM is essentially as effortless as other methods taught, e.g., among the Dandis. But regardless of whether MMY is a credible authority, and even regardless of whether minimizing effort is desirable, *fact* is that his approach eliminates, or at least mitigates, this source of effort, which means TM *is* essentially different from the other methods Dana refers to: it's more effortless. It seems to me that what *both* of you do is play dueling authorities here. I don't see a lot of differences between the two approaches except in which sources you consider authoritative enough to quote to support the things you've chosen to believe. The parallel goes further. When those beliefs are challenged, both of you tend to reply by calling the authority's credentials or character into question. Belief per se isn't an issue here. Again, we aren't talking about whether what MMY says is *true*, merely about *what he says*. So where's the difference? To put it another way, the credible authority duel is not between Dana and MMY, but between Dana and the TMers here who are saying he hasn't grasped *what* MMY teaches. Dana calls his own credentials in question with regard to understanding TM by not recognizing the difference it makes (whether good or bad) to feel one should stay with the mantra, versus not worrying about staying with the mantra. That is one of the, if not *the*, central points of *what* MMY teaches about how to meditate, and of what makes TM functionally different (whether better or worse) from the methods Dana cites. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Was John Lennon Right About Maharishi?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd marwincornyarmand@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 7/21/06 4:16:41 P.M. Central Daylight Time, babajii_99@ writes: We say, This is a picture of Guru Dev, Maharishi's Master, from whom we have this knowledge... These are not the words I learned. This is the words I were told to use. Maybe MMY changed that too. Are these the words you believe indicate that the TM technique came from Guru Dev? This is just one example. I think that if you ask any TM-Teacher, most of them, maybe all, believe that TM belongs to the Holy Tradition, that we refer to as teachers and the picture of Guru Dev on the Puja Table is a part of that. Maybe MMY talks with two tongues - but in my opinion he has mislead the TM-Teachers. It is only after I was kicked out of the TMO - I have started to question what MMY really teached us. I have no answers - but doubts. Ingegerd To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Was John Lennon Right About Maharishi?'
On Jul 22, 2006, at 2:53 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How sad that some people consider him [Dana] an "expert" in this regard. He doesn't have a clue what he's talking about. And obviously you don't either, if you think what you quoted from him in these last few posts is somehow definitive. It's just pathetic. Not to start an argument but to ask a question I feel is relevant, how is Vaj considering Dana a credible authority any different than you consider- ing Maharishi a credible authority?Dana is not only an experienced TM teacher who clearly understands the mechanics of TM (although not necessarily by relying on TM-speak, something very upsetting to TBs) he's also a practitioner and teacher of Zen, Shamatha and other styles of meditation, often with experienced high lamas. In addition to being a practitioner, he's also an academic in this field and spends a lot of time with the people in these traditions in India.As I've always stated, it's important to understand how manasika-japa (mental mantra meditation) from the perspective of mantra-shastra. Why? Because it's explained in exquisite detail, rather than in a watered down, simplified fashion and that IS the highest authority of mantra theory and practice.So listening to people argue about details of what they've been taught to parrot on the "mechanics of TM" has little meaning, it's like listening to 1st graders who know basic math argue algebra to someone conversant in advanced algebra. It seems to me that what *both* of you do is play "dueling authorities" here. I don't see a lot of differences between the two approaches except in which sources you consider authoritative enough to quote to support the things you've chosen to believe.I just go to the source.:-) This tradition has credible and extant pundit and scriptural sources on mantra meditation. It's an exquisitely detailed and beautiful science. We do it it a great disservice if we downgrade it to TM being the end-all and be-all of meditation though. The parallel goes further. When those beliefs are challenged, both of you tend to reply by calling the "authority's" credentials or character into question. So where's the difference? The depth is lacking in the "Maharishi sez" claims. It's superficial and elementary, that all. It's a smaller picture. I prefer the whole picture, the big picture, the whole story. It's a wonderful science. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Was John Lennon Right About Maharishi?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sinhlnx sinhlnx@ wrote: ---(discussion below - TM and other techniques). Vaj, I've concluded that you were never initiated into TM, otherwise, you wouldn't be so misguided on the contrasts between TM and other techniques. Please set the record straight: were you or were you not intiated into TM as taught by MMY.? Vaj claims he was a *TM teacher*, amazingly enough. As long as you follow the teaching guidelines, you don't need to get TM in order to teach it. THAT is MMY's contribution to the world. Gurudev obviously got TM and imparted the essential nature to many/all of his disciples, but MMY is the one who mechanized the teaching for the masses. Well said. Indeed. However... I think that what is meant here (and often on this forum) by getting TM is that the person who uses that phrase is upset that the person they're saying doesn't get TM doesn't buy into the dogma about it 1) being The Best, or 2) The Only. ...the issue here is not (1) but (2), and it has nothing to do with dogma, it has to do with WHAT MMY teaches as to the mechanics--*how* to meditate, rather than whether the mechanics of TM is better. Whether it's better is a separate question. We can even leave only out of the picture here in terms of what's at issue and stipulate that it's possible there *is* some other technique that is as effortless as TM. But if so, it isn't the techniques Dana is talking about. *That* is what threatens them in the critic (because they *do* buy into this dogma), so to somehow protect the cherished notion that TM is The Best, they try to portray the critic as having never understood what TM is really about. You don't even understand what's at issue, Barry. It's a fairly sad ploy, no matter who uses it. Of course someone can understand everything about the way that TM has been described and presentd by Maharishi and, at the same time, not buy it, not believe that the description is accurate. Not at issue here. It's not a matter of whether you buy it, it's a matter of WHAT IT IS. But some people would like you to believe that this isn't true. TM is what it is. In my opinion it is a very valuable, easily-learned technique of basic meditation. But The Best? Give me a break? The very fact that its promoters claim this should give one pause. NO tech- nique or tradition is The Best; human beings are different, and respond to different approaches to self discovery differently, that's all. What may be suitable for one person, or even many, may NOT be suitable for others. The fact that the others who have moved on from TM prefer a technique that works better for them does not imply that they never got TM. Not at issue here. The issue is that Dana doesn't get what makes TM different from the other methods he cites. That's just something that people who are threatened say to make themselves feel better for having settled for the first technique they ever tried. (And just for the record, TM was *not* the first technique I ever tried.) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Was John Lennon Right About Maharishi?'
On Jul 22, 2006, at 4:13 AM, Ingegerd wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 21, 2006, at 3:30 PM, Paul Mason wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" jstein@ wrote: I've never heard anything other than that. I never heard that Guru Dev himself gave MMY the technique. On 8th July 1971 in Amherst, U.S.A., Maharishi Mahesh Yogi made the following statement which contradicts the assumption that he never claimed the TM technique came from Guru Dev Shankaracharya Swami Brahmanand Saraswati. 'But the great impact of Guru Dev, in his lifetime, in bringing out so clearly and in such simple words, this technique of TM. And his, his blessing for, for this movement which came out much after he left his body. Because there was no, no occasion during his lifetime for, for any of his intimate blessed disciples to go out of his presence and that's why this any such movement to bless the world couldn't have started during his time'. As has been repeated here before many times, and also verified by Dana Sawyer in his research with SBS's sect the Dandis, this is an old technique, it's nothing new. They are best given through ones natural love of deity (a particular form or personal deity) or by the persons individual capacity and constitution. The only thing unique about TM is the name and a "canned" checking procedure (which is quite clever, but limited). People need to get over this sad clinging that it is so unique. It's not. It's ubiquitous. One could even add that in it's broader setting, there are more techniques that expand on this basic instruction (i.e. TM). And as Pete points out, the highest yoga is guru-yoga. Guru-yoga can be given as a technique and but is not limited by time or distance (i.e. proximity to the guru). For example one can receive blessing from even ancient masters if one knows the guru-yoga they used. There are even guru-yogas for awakening specific states. Is it possible to buy some books about ancient masters and their blessings in guru-yoga? Ingegerd I'm not sure what you mean by that. There are stories of the 84 mahasiddhas which describes their indivudal enlightenment(s) and their sadhanas. But as to specific guru-yogas, these are usually imparted mouth-to-ear and then the student receives a text of the transmission. This type of thing is not generally circulated publicly. Let me give it some thought thoough and I'll drop you a note later off list. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Tip and question for Vaj
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 22, 2006, at 4:42 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: Vaj, I know that you like Bruce Cockburn, and that you are an iTunes user. I've never indulged in it before because I understand that the music you download has restrictions, and cannot easily be converted to other formats such as WMA or MP3, and cannot be transferred from machine to machine. Actually all you have to do to transfer it to any format, is burn your tunes as a CD and then reimport to as many machines as possible. You can also use it as is on up to 5 machines. But sadly my CD copy of the new album has not yet arrived from Amazon, and today on the Humans mailing list there arose word of a mysterious 13th track that is not on the released album, but that they sell via iTunes. It's called 'Twilight on the Champlain Sea.' Sadly, when I log into iTunes from here, I get rerouted to the French server, which (of course) does not offer this bonus track. I have so far been unable to find a way to get around the rerouting and access the American iTunes Music Store. Do you have any suggestions for how I could do so? Thanks in advance, dude... I've tried that before on stuff that was only on the French or Canadian iTunes and I couldn't get around it either. Thanks for the heads up, I'll download it now. Can you receive attachments over 5 megs? Thanks for the update. So far Apple hasn't been able to help, either. As far as I know, yes. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Was John Lennon Right About Maharishi?'
On Jul 22, 2006, at 9:03 AM, authfriend wrote:We can even leave "only" out of the picture here in terms of what's at issue and stipulate that it's possible there *is* some other technique that is as effortless as TM. But if so, it isn't the techniques Dana is talking about. Kind of a moot point since we've long ago debunked the idea that TM is effortless and actually have the words of Mahesh on this where he indicates it does take effort. There are a number of reasons for TM requiring effort, most significant is that it uses "patched placement", that is when you fail to transcend continuously, you have to patch that failure (or "break") by returning to the mantra. Of course it is helpful to know experientially what effortless meditation is, it is meditation without any object whatsoever. If you need an object to find some inward stroke, there's effort involved, period. It's a natural consequence of all dualistic meditation methods, ones that require you to close eyes and turn towards an object in order to merge with that object and transcend something. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tip and question for Vaj
On Jul 22, 2006, at 9:07 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 22, 2006, at 4:42 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: Vaj, I know that you like Bruce Cockburn, and that you are an iTunes user. I've never indulged in it before because I understand that the music you download has restrictions, and cannot easily be converted to other formats such as WMA or MP3, and cannot be transferred from machine to machine. Actually all you have to do to transfer it to any format, is burn your tunes as a CD and then reimport to as many machines as possible. You can also use it as is on up to 5 machines. But sadly my CD copy of the new album has not yet arrived from Amazon, and today on the Humans mailing list there arose word of a mysterious 13th track that is not on the released album, but that they sell via iTunes. It's called 'Twilight on the Champlain Sea.' Sadly, when I log into iTunes from here, I get rerouted to the French server, which (of course) does not offer this bonus track. I have so far been unable to find a way to get around the rerouting and access the American iTunes Music Store. Do you have any suggestions for how I could do so? Thanks in advance, dude... I've tried that before on stuff that was only on the French or Canadian iTunes and I couldn't get around it either. Thanks for the heads up, I'll download it now. Can you receive attachments over 5 megs? Thanks for the update. So far Apple hasn't been able to help, either. As far as I know, yes. You're not supposed to be able to because download from other countries, there are laws and agreement unique to each country. Before Canada was on iTunes, Canadian friends could not use the USA store. Now if you have an American address, that should change things. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Was John Lennon Right About Maharishi?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 21, 2006, at 11:50 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: snip Dana's probably the leading authority on the Dandis in the west that I know of. But on the basis of what you posted, he is clearly not an authority on TM--no more than you are. How sad that some people consider him an expert in this regard. He doesn't have a clue what he's talking about. And obviously you don't either, if you think what you quoted from him in these last few posts is somehow definitive. It's just pathetic. Just some casual quotes from a quick search, that's all. But more than enough to know he doesn't know what he's talking about where TM is concerned. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Tip and question for Vaj
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Vaj, I know that you like Bruce Cockburn, and that you are an iTunes user. I've never indulged in it before because I understand that the music you download has restrictions, and cannot easily be converted to other formats such as WMA or MP3, and cannot be transferred from machine to machine. But sadly my CD copy of the new album has not yet arrived from Amazon, and today on the Humans mailing list there arose word of a mysterious 13th track that is not on the released album, but that they sell via iTunes. It's called 'Twilight on the Champlain Sea.' Sadly, when I log into iTunes from here, I get rerouted to the French server, which (of course) does not offer this bonus track. I have so far been unable to find a way to get around the rerouting and access the American iTunes Music Store. Do you have any suggestions for how I could do so? Thanks in advance, dude... Have you installed the iTunes software, or are you just logging into the iTunes Web site as you would any other Web site? Duh. :-) I take it that means you have installed the software? Thanks, but it's a rerouting issue. Are there different versions of the iTunes software for different countries/languages? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Was John Lennon Right About Maharishi?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 22, 2006, at 12:02 AM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: snip Very interesting comment on Mahesh's lack of credibility that validates much of what I've shared: How do educated middle and upper middle class Indians view MMY and the TMO? How do other saints in India view MMY? Pandits who are on the MMY payroll speak highly of him. No one else does. That's my experience. In Banaras, where some of the most respected pandits in India reside, his name is mud. He has a reputation for catering to big money, movie stars, and that ilk. In the religious community he is perceived as an uppity, low caste manipulator. Frankly, outside of his own org I've never heard a positive comment about him while in India these past eleven trips. ROTFL! Yes, that sure validates MMY's lack of credibility, Vaj. Really all it is is an example from someone who's spent a lot of time in India with pundits and with Dandis and the Shanks. Sad really. Sad that he (and you) would take this example as validating the notion that MMY isn't credible. I seriously doubt he'd want to take the time to write a paper on such an obvious situation LOL, esp. since TM has become so passé. After all, in a publish or perish world, you need something people would want to publish. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Tip and question for Vaj
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're not supposed to be able to because download from other countries, there are laws and agreement unique to each country. Before Canada was on iTunes, Canadian friends could not use the USA store. Now if you have an American address, that should change things. I have several. It doesn't. Damned lawyers. :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Was John Lennon Right About Maharishi?'
Right from the very early times, MMY most definitely claimed that the meditation he teaches (TM) was taught to him by Guru Dev. A look at page 244 of 'Thirty Years Around the World' (a TMO publication by Maharishi Vedic University, 1986) confirms this. Allegedly on 29th April 1959 Maharishi Mahesh Yogi told journalists:- 'My life truly began 19 years ago at the feet of my master when I learned the secret of swift and deep meditation, a secret I now impart.' --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd marwincornyarmand@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 7/21/06 4:16:41 P.M. Central Daylight Time, babajii_99@ writes: We say, This is a picture of Guru Dev, Maharishi's Master, from whom we have this knowledge... These are not the words I learned. This is the words I were told to use. Maybe MMY changed that too. Are these the words you believe indicate that the TM technique came from Guru Dev? This is just one example. I think that if you ask any TM-Teacher, most of them, maybe all, believe that TM belongs to the Holy Tradition, that we refer to as teachers and the picture of Guru Dev on the Puja Table is a part of that. Maybe MMY talks with two tongues - but in my opinion he has mislead the TM-Teachers. It is only after I was kicked out of the TMO - I have started to question what MMY really teached us. I have no answers - but doubts. Ingegerd To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Was John Lennon Right About Maharishi?'
On Jul 22, 2006, at 9:27 AM, Paul Mason wrote:Right from the very early times, MMY most definitely claimed that the meditation he teaches (TM) was taught to him by Guru Dev. A look at page 244 of 'Thirty Years Around the World' (a TMO publication by Maharishi Vedic University, 1986) confirms this. Allegedly on 29th April 1959 Maharishi Mahesh Yogi told journalists:- 'My life truly began 19 years ago at the feet of my master when I learned the secret of swift and deep meditation, a secret I now impart.' SO it's clearly a dandi technique or actually a watering down of this standard beginners practice.Thanks for the quote, I realize there are many such quote, I just have little interest in tracking all these things down. It's already obvious to me. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Was John Lennon Right About Maharishi?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sad that he (and you) would take this example as validating the notion that MMY isn't credible. Seriously, can you explain to me how you find the person who not long ago declared Sat Yuga to have dawned on the planet and now is calling for an urgent course to save it credible? You have to admit that if Vaj or I had tried to pull such a stunt, by now you'd have made a dozen posts pointing out our dishonesty and inconsistency. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Was John Lennon Right About Maharishi?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd marwincornyarmand@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 7/21/06 4:16:41 P.M. Central Daylight Time, babajii_99@ writes: We say, This is a picture of Guru Dev, Maharishi's Master, from whom we have this knowledge... These are not the words I learned. This is the words I were told to use. Maybe MMY changed that too. Are these the words you believe indicate that the TM technique came from Guru Dev? This is just one example. I think that if you ask any TM-Teacher, most of them, maybe all, believe that TM belongs to the Holy Tradition, that we refer to as teachers and the picture of Guru Dev on the Puja Table is a part of that. Maybe MMY talks with two tongues - but in my opinion he has mislead the TM-Teachers. Or perhaps the TM teachers who believe this haven't quite understood him. I don't see any contradiction between the idea that TM and Guru Dev belong to the Holy Tradition, and the idea that Guru Dev did not himself teach TM, or give MMY the technique. As *I* understand what MMY says, the technique itself had not been readily available for a long time due to lack of understanding about what it involved and how to teach it; but Guru Dev, via the purity of his consciousness and depth of his intellect, revived the knowledge that is at the *basis* of the technique. In other words, Guru Dev's revival of the knowledge of the Holy Tradition enabled MMY to reconstruct the technique. So It is Guru Dev from whom we have this knowledge refers not to the specifics of the technique, but the knowledge of the nature and mechanics of consciousness that made it possible for MMY to retrieve the technique's specifics. It is only after I was kicked out of the TMO - I have started to question what MMY really teached us. I have no answers - but doubts. I think MMY may have, or may have had, a certain reluctance to actually spell out that TM isn't Guru Dev's technique, because he doesn't want to suggest he knows something Guru Dev did not. So one perhaps does need to do a little bit of reading between the lines. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Was John Lennon Right About Maharishi?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 22, 2006, at 2:53 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: How sad that some people consider him [Dana] an expert in this regard. He doesn't have a clue what he's talking about. And obviously you don't either, if you think what you quoted from him in these last few posts is somehow definitive. It's just pathetic. Not to start an argument but to ask a question I feel is relevant, how is Vaj considering Dana a credible authority any different than you consider- ing Maharishi a credible authority? Dana is not only an experienced TM teacher who clearly understands the mechanics of TM (although not necessarily by relying on TM- speak Even though TM-speak--i.e., in this case, the specific instruction as to one's attitude toward mantra vs. thoughts--is what makes TM TM. If Dana doesn't understand this, he does *not* understand the mechanics of TM--nor, obviously, do you. something very upsetting to TBs) Because his nonuse of TM-speak in this case *misrepresents what TM is*. he's also a practitioner and teacher of Zen, Shamatha and other styles of meditation, often with experienced high lamas. In addition to being a practitioner, he's also an academic in this field and spends a lot of time with the people in these traditions in India. None of this *helps*, Vaj, if he doesn't grasp the mechanics of TM. He can talk about these other techniques till he's blue in the face, but when he starts comparing them to TM without understanding TM's mechanics, he gets into big trouble. As I've always stated, it's important to understand how manasika- japa (mental mantra meditation) from the perspective of mantra- shastra. Why? Because it's explained in exquisite detail, rather than in a watered down, simplified fashion and that IS the highest authority of mantra theory and practice. Does mantra-shastra make the point that thoughts are a natural part of meditation and that one shouldn't try to hold onto the mantra? So listening to people argue about details of what they've been taught to parrot on the mechanics of TM has little meaning, it's like listening to 1st graders who know basic math argue algebra to someone conversant in advanced algebra. Actually that's what Dana's spiel sounds like to people who *have* grasped the mechanics of TM--not just from what we've been told, but from personal experience. It seems to me that what *both* of you do is play dueling authorities here. I don't see a lot of differences between the two approaches except in which sources you consider authoritative enough to quote to support the things you've chosen to believe. I just go to the source.:-) This tradition has credible and extant pundit and scriptural sources on mantra meditation. MMY claims the sources have been misinterpreted, so this doesn't help either. MMY's position is roughly analogous to that of Martin Luther. It's meaningless to claim that Luther wasn't credible on the grounds that he didn't adhere to the Catholic tradition; his whole raison d'etre was to insist that the Catholic tradition had misinterpreted Jesus' teaching. And yet Luther and the Catholic authorities were working from the same sources. It's an exquisitely detailed and beautiful science. We do it it a great disservice if we downgrade it to TM being the end-all and be- all of meditation though. The parallel goes further. When those beliefs are challenged, both of you tend to reply by calling the authority's credentials or character into question. So where's the difference? The depth is lacking in the Maharishi sez claims. It's superficial and elementary Elementary and deep are not necesarily mutually exclusive. What is truly elementary may be that which *underlies* everything else, as opposed to what is on the surface. , that all. It's a smaller picture. I prefer the whole picture, the big picture, the whole story. It's a wonderful science. If you've got what underlies the big picture wrong, the details of that picture may be seriously askew. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Was John Lennon Right About Maharishi?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 22, 2006, at 9:03 AM, authfriend wrote: We can even leave only out of the picture here in terms of what's at issue and stipulate that it's possible there *is* some other technique that is as effortless as TM. But if so, it isn't the techniques Dana is talking about. Kind of a moot point since we've long ago debunked the idea that TM is effortless and actually have the words of Mahesh on this where he indicates it does take effort. Um, no, Vaj, sorry, but neither is the case. There are a number of reasons for TM requiring effort, most significant is that it uses patched placement, that is when you fail to transcend continuously, you have to patch that failure (or break) by returning to the mantra. Effortlessly. Of course it is helpful to know experientially what effortless meditation is, it is meditation without any object whatsoever. If you need an object to find some inward stroke, there's effort involved, period. It's a natural consequence of all dualistic meditation methods, ones that require you to close eyes and turn towards an object in order to merge with that object and transcend something. If there's effort involved, it's not TM, period. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Photographs of TM-Sidhi hopping.... not exactly what Paul McCartney meant!
In David Greene's 'Day's in the Life' (Minerva, 1988) Paul McCartney is quoted as saying:- 'When we were out in Rishikesh, that was one of the things we were interested in ... We were almost throwing in the Indian rope trick too. It was all part of a new thing and we would ask him, 'Did they do that? Was that just a magic trick? Do they really levitate, Maharishi? What about levitation, is that actually possible?' and he said, 'Yes it is, there are people who do it,' but he took it as, 'Oh, you wanna see levitation, well there's a fellow down the road, he does it. We can have him up, he'll do a little bit for us if you like,' and we said, 'Great,' but he never actually showed. I say, 'Give me one photograph and I'll have you on News at Ten tonight and you'll be a major source of interest to the world and your organisation will swell its ranks.' Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Was John Lennon Right About Maharishi?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Right from the very early times, MMY most definitely claimed that the meditation he teaches (TM) was taught to him by Guru Dev. A look at page 244 of 'Thirty Years Around the World' (a TMO publication by Maharishi Vedic University, 1986) confirms this. Allegedly on 29th April 1959 Maharishi Mahesh Yogi told journalists:- 'My life truly began 19 years ago at the feet of my master when I learned the secret of swift and deep meditation, a secret I now impart.' Paul, that is *not* a claim that TM--i.e., what MMY teaches--was taught to him by Guru Dev. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Was John Lennon Right About Maharishi?'
Oh dear, you are so very attached to your beliefs, and nothing MMY actually said makes any difference huh? Okay, I was just offering a quote from the man himself, but what would he know? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Right from the very early times, MMY most definitely claimed that the meditation he teaches (TM) was taught to him by Guru Dev. A look at page 244 of 'Thirty Years Around the World' (a TMO publication by Maharishi Vedic University, 1986) confirms this. Allegedly on 29th April 1959 Maharishi Mahesh Yogi told journalists:- 'My life truly began 19 years ago at the feet of my master when I learned the secret of swift and deep meditation, a secret I now impart.' Paul, that is *not* a claim that TM--i.e., what MMY teaches--was taught to him by Guru Dev. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Was John Lennon Right About Maharishi?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Sad that he (and you) would take this example as validating the notion that MMY isn't credible. Seriously, can you explain to me how you find the person who not long ago declared Sat Yuga to have dawned on the planet and now is calling for an urgent course to save it credible? Well, just to start with, I was not making a claim that MMY was credible; I was pointing out that Dana's examples don't prove anything. But taking your non sequitur on its own terms, as I've noted numerous times, here and on alt.m.t, and as you're well aware, Barry, I consider MMY credible *only* with regard to what he teaches about the nature and mechanics of consciousness. (Some of the rest of what he says *may* be credible, but I'd have to look at it on a case-by-case basis.) You have to admit that if Vaj or I had tried to pull such a stunt, by now you'd have made a dozen posts pointing out our dishonesty and inconsistency. :-) Which stunt would that be, Barry? The one you made up in your own head, despite the fact that neither what I said that you quote, nor what I've said over the years, confirms it? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Comments posted about 12 Great Places Article
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: Does anybody know the first person or what she could be talking about? I've never hard of any of the things she mentioned happening. Apparently I've been missing quite a bit. http://tinyurl.com/mm76s 2. Sharon Anderson For heavens sake don't come to Fairfield Iowa unless you want to go to jail. The police in Fairfield are out of control and will arrest you for the smallest infraction and jail you. The town has taxed its citizens millions upon millions of dollars for a state of the art jail facility. They expect to recoup this investment with interest. My advice to stay as far away from Fairfield and their little kangaroo court as posssible. They want to jail children down to the age of ten years old now. Its so out of control its actually insane. If you sit on a park bench you will be breath tested. If you exit a bar you will be breath tested. Fairfield has a public intox law that they use to jail anyone they suspect of drinking. If you get a parking ticket and pay it, half the time they will arrest you anyway and make you pay bail of $200 then make you pay court costs when they have their little court case in which you will be found innocent BUT YOU STILL HAVE To PAY $160. The police and the courts in Fairfield are out to get your money. The people that have to live in the filthy little hog town are taxed and taxed and taxed and taxed. The town council passes laws against skateboarding and anything they deem able to generate money at the drop of a hat. Currently the residents are struggling with the latest scheme to extract money from them in the form of an ordinance where they have to pay for repairing the sidewalks which can cost thousands and thousands of dollars and must be done by their hand picked crew. The town is all about taking your money. Poeple who have never gone to jail in their lives can go to Fairfield and find themsleves in jail for the pettiest reasons ever heard of. Come to Fairfield AND GO TO JAIL! My advice is to stay as far away from Fairfiled as possible. Its actully the worst case of out of control police and judiciary I have ever seen. Thursday, July 20, 2006 - 12:28:25 3. Holly Moore As a 30+ year resident of Fairfield, Iowa, I find the above comments by Ms. Anderson amusing and untrue. I'm sad that that is all she can comment upon about our wonderful community, but I respect her right to her opinion. I couldn't agree more with the great place designation you have bequethed upon us! Fairfield is a wonderful, wonderful place to live! The town is one of the most creative and economically vibrant communities in the nation and a lesson in excellence in American rural living. I am one of the community members who came for the university, but stay for Fairfield. I cannot imagine living anywhere else, despite having travelled around the country and overseas. For all the reasons you mention, plus many, many others, my husband and I work and volunteer here, are raising our family, and intend to retire in Fairfield. Please come visit us sometime soon, but be sure it's near the begining of the month so you can enjoy our 1st Fridays Art Walk, an amazing fusion of arts and entertainment held in over 25 art galleries and venues on and around our historic town square, the first Friday of all 12 months of the year, rain, snow, or shine. We welcome you! Thursday, July 20, 2006 - 19:34:40 Sounds like the first pesron is trying to convince people not to attend the upcoming course. Wonder why. Wow. That sounded like Lupidus/Nablus, not you, Sparaig. The only thing it sounded like to me was some kid who got busted once for being drunk in public and holds a grudge. Depends on when the conversatio took place, of course. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Was John Lennon Right About Maharishi?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh dear, you are so very attached to your beliefs, and nothing MMY actually said makes any difference huh? Okay, I was just offering a quote from the man himself, but what would he know? Triple non sequitur. Obviously, you and I are interpreting the quote differently. It looks to me as though he's referring to the principles *behind* TM (the secret), specifically that transcending is natural and effortless, rather than the specific implementation of those principles in TM as MMY teaches it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Right from the very early times, MMY most definitely claimed that the meditation he teaches (TM) was taught to him by Guru Dev. A look at page 244 of 'Thirty Years Around the World' (a TMO publication by Maharishi Vedic University, 1986) confirms this. Allegedly on 29th April 1959 Maharishi Mahesh Yogi told journalists:- 'My life truly began 19 years ago at the feet of my master when I learned the secret of swift and deep meditation, a secret I now impart.' Paul, that is *not* a claim that TM--i.e., what MMY teaches--was taught to him by Guru Dev. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Was John Lennon Right About Maharishi?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sinhlnx sinhlnx@ wrote: ---(discussion below - TM and other techniques). Vaj, I've concluded that you were never initiated into TM, otherwise, you wouldn't be so misguided on the contrasts between TM and other techniques. Please set the record straight: were you or were you not intiated into TM as taught by MMY.? Vaj claims he was a *TM teacher*, amazingly enough. As long as you follow the teaching guidelines, you don't need to get TM in order to teach it. THAT is MMY's contribution to the world. Gurudev obviously got TM and imparted the essential nature to many/all of his disciples, but MMY is the one who mechanized the teaching for the masses. Well said. I think that what is meant here (and often on this forum) by getting TM is that the person who uses that phrase is upset that the person they're saying doesn't get TM doesn't buy into the dogma about it 1) being The Best, or 2) The Only. *That* is what threatens them in the critic (because they *do* buy into this dogma), so to somehow protect the cherished notion that TM is The Best, they try to portray the critic as having never understood what TM is really about. It's a fairly sad ploy, no matter who uses it. Of course someone can understand everything about the way that TM has been described and presentd by Maharishi and, at the same time, not buy it, not believe that the description is accurate. But some people would like you to believe that this isn't true. TM is what it is. In my opinion it is a very valuable, easily-learned technique of basic meditation. But The Best? Give me a break? The very fact that its promoters claim this should give one pause. NO tech- nique or tradition is The Best; human beings are different, and respond to different approaches to self discovery differently, that's all. What may be suitable for one person, or even many, may NOT be suitable for others. The fact that the others who have moved on from TM prefer a technique that works better for them does not imply that they never got TM. That's just something that people who are threatened say to make themselves feel better for having settled for the first technique they ever tried. There's some validity in what y ou say, but I *DO* know people who never got TM or the TM-Sidhis, even though they dilligently did their program in the Domes, took all sorts of classes, etc. How do I know this? They prioritized Yogic Flying before TM or any other part of their Sidhis practice. If they only had 10 minutes, they'd hop around for 5 minutes and rest for 5, rather than do TM for 10. Eventually, they joined the Hare Krishna movement because it was more authentic or something. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Comments posted about 12 Great Places Article
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: Does anybody know the first person or what she could be talking about? I've never hard of any of the things she mentioned happening. Apparently I've been missing quite a bit. http://tinyurl.com/mm76s 2. Sharon Anderson For heavens sake don't come to Fairfield Iowa unless you want to go to jail. The police in Fairfield are out of control and will arrest you for the smallest infraction and jail you. The town has taxed its citizens millions upon millions of dollars for a state of the art jail facility. They expect to recoup this investment with interest. My advice to stay as far away from Fairfield and their little kangaroo court as posssible. They want to jail children down to the age of ten years old now. Its so out of control its actually insane. If you sit on a park bench you will be breath tested. If you exit a bar you will be breath tested. Fairfield has a public intox law that they use to jail anyone they suspect of drinking. If you get a parking ticket and pay it, half the time they will arrest you anyway and make you pay bail of $200 then make you pay court costs when they have their little court case in which you will be found innocent BUT YOU STILL HAVE To PAY $160. The police and the courts in Fairfield are out to get your money. The people that have to live in the filthy little hog town are taxed and taxed and taxed and taxed. The town council passes laws against skateboarding and anything they deem able to generate money at the drop of a hat. Currently the residents are struggling with the latest scheme to extract money from them in the form of an ordinance where they have to pay for repairing the sidewalks which can cost thousands and thousands of dollars and must be done by their hand picked crew. The town is all about taking your money. Poeple who have never gone to jail in their lives can go to Fairfield and find themsleves in jail for the pettiest reasons ever heard of. Come to Fairfield AND GO TO JAIL! My advice is to stay as far away from Fairfiled as possible. Its actully the worst case of out of control police and judiciary I have ever seen. Thursday, July 20, 2006 - 12:28:25 3. Holly Moore As a 30+ year resident of Fairfield, Iowa, I find the above comments by Ms. Anderson amusing and untrue. I'm sad that that is all she can comment upon about our wonderful community, but I respect her right to her opinion. I couldn't agree more with the great place designation you have bequethed upon us! Fairfield is a wonderful, wonderful place to live! The town is one of the most creative and economically vibrant communities in the nation and a lesson in excellence in American rural living. I am one of the community members who came for the university, but stay for Fairfield. I cannot imagine living anywhere else, despite having travelled around the country and overseas. For all the reasons you mention, plus many, many others, my husband and I work and volunteer here, are raising our family, and intend to retire in Fairfield. Please come visit us sometime soon, but be sure it's near the begining of the month so you can enjoy our 1st Fridays Art Walk, an amazing fusion of arts and entertainment held in over 25 art galleries and venues on and around our historic town square, the first Friday of all 12 months of the year, rain, snow, or shine. We welcome you! Thursday, July 20, 2006 - 19:34:40 Sounds like the first pesron is trying to convince people not to attend the upcoming course. Wonder why. Wow. That sounded like Lupidus/Nablus, not you, Sparaig. The only thing it sounded like to me was some kid who got busted once for being drunk in public and holds a grudge. Depends on when the conversatio took place, of course. Hmm, looks like it took place on Thursday. The course was announced when? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Was John Lennon Right About Maharishi?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Jul 21, 2006, at 8:40 PM, Vaj wrote: On Jul 21, 2006, at 7:29 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Jul 21, 2006, at 3:30 PM, Paul Mason wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: I've never heard anything other than that. I never heard that Guru Dev himself gave MMY the technique. On 8th July 1971 in Amherst, U.S.A., Maharishi Mahesh Yogi made the following statement which contradicts the assumption that he never claimed the TM technique came from Guru Dev Shankaracharya Swami Brahmanand Saraswati. 'But the great impact of Guru Dev, in his lifetime, in bringing out so clearly and in such simple words, this technique of TM. And his, his blessing for, for this movement which came out much after he left his body. Because there was no, no occasion during his lifetime for, for any of his intimate blessed disciples to go out of his presence and that's why this any such movement to bless the world couldn't have started during his time'. As has been repeated here before many times (Which must make it true...) , and also verified by Dana Sawyer in his research with SBS's sect the Dandis Documentation, please. On what basis was it verified? You'd have to ask Dana. He's talked to many of these guys. I have his article on the Dandis and it may mention it simply in passing, as what they do with householders. Keep in mind there are teachers in the Shank. tradition who will realize a certain student is ripe for non-dual meditation and teach them a method that isn't as dualistic as meditation with an object. And yet another comment from Dana: I also find the great strengths that exist in other organizations. But this thing, of our experiencing live mantrah, something that exists on its own, deep within self, that something which moves self into Self, is that thing which makes TM so very precious. This is not a unique quality of TM. It exists in all formal, Tantric Hindu and Buddhist traditions. There is no aspect of TM practice that is not common in these traditions (as I mentioned before, the only change I've seen is in how drifting from the mantra is interpreted. In TM, it's attributed to unstressing; in the mainline traditions it's attributed to lack of success. In both cases the instruction is the same - return to the mantra once you realize you're off of it. The sooner that TMers face the fact that there is nothing amazing or unusual about their practice (and time spent exploring the mainline Hindu traditions points this up) the sooner they'll understand why even after 35 years of regular meditation they still aren't enlightened. There is no magic technique. Maharishi was able to convince Westerners that there was simply because young Westerners didn't know better. TM is relaxing and relaxing is nice. All these years of practice by Westerners proves that TM isn't the magic pill we once thought it was. And if it was, then Asians already practicing it would have been enlightened long ago. This is my experience too. TM is good - because it gives good relaxation. But if we want something more - enlightenment - we have to add something else. And so far I cannot see that the TMO has come up with that. Ingegerd Oh, well. The 3D computer graphics animation of the activity of the brain of someone who is enlightened (at least to CC) that I'm doing for Fred Travis doesn't mean that he's measured people who are enlightened to CC. Whatever. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Was John Lennon Right About Maharishi?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 21, 2006, at 10:48 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Jul 21, 2006, at 8:40 PM, Vaj wrote: On Jul 21, 2006, at 7:29 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Jul 21, 2006, at 3:30 PM, Paul Mason wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: I've never heard anything other than that. I never heard that Guru Dev himself gave MMY the technique. On 8th July 1971 in Amherst, U.S.A., Maharishi Mahesh Yogi made the following statement which contradicts the assumption that he never claimed the TM technique came from Guru Dev Shankaracharya Swami Brahmanand Saraswati. 'But the great impact of Guru Dev, in his lifetime, in bringing out so clearly and in such simple words, this technique of TM. And his, his blessing for, for this movement which came out much after he left his body. Because there was no, no occasion during his lifetime for, for any of his intimate blessed disciples to go out of his presence and that's why this any such movement to bless the world couldn't have started during his time'. As has been repeated here before many times (Which must make it true...) , and also verified by Dana Sawyer in his research with SBS's sect the Dandis Documentation, please. On what basis was it verified? You'd have to ask Dana. He's talked to many of these guys. I have his article on the Dandis and it may mention it simply in passing, as what they do with householders. Keep in mind there are teachers in the Shank. tradition who will realize a certain student is ripe for non-dual meditation and teach them a method that isn't as dualistic as meditation with an object. Here's a couple comments from Dana on another list. Interestingly he finds, as do many who've contacted me during the false idea that TM was effortless threads, that some effort, even strenuous effort greatly increase the experience of TC: why would they learn from MMY what they can learn for free anywhere? Mantra japa, practiced as TMers do it, is a common practice in India. As you know, Maharishi taught that effortlessness the key to successful practice had been lost from general practice. Are you saying, Dana, that mantra japa includes instructions for effortless practice? In both Hindu and Buddhist traditions there is a long standing tradition of starting off new meditators with an easy practice. What we did/ do as TMers is often pitched in Hinduism as the correct process for those who chant kirtana. While the mantras are being chanted, stay with the tones - don't concentrate on a particular tone but keep the mind with the sound. What if I wander off? It's OK, just bring your attention back to the tones when you realize you've drifted off. I've heard this a hundred times. By the way, it's the initial instruction for chanting given to Hare Krishnas. The idea (whether the mantra is spoken out loud or not) is that the special character of Sanskrit mantras will draw the mind to the Absolute. BTW, in Buddhist practice - of both major traditions - concentration is cultivated. BUT, in recognition of the difficulty of perfect concentration, they often start students out with mantra repetition with a mala. Moving the beads helps keep the mind with the mantra but otherwise the student is allowed to drift. This is a baby step toward deep concentration for them. when it's done with breath counting, Tibetans sometimes tell students to focus only on the inward breath and let the mind go on the outward breath. Regarding the piece about needing thoughts during meditation because they are the products of stress relief. I've never heard that before. Perhaps because there is no teaching about stress release in Hinduism or Buddhism. MMY's concept of stress certainly grew out of the need to find an equivalent term for samskaras - the seeds of karma that promote action. In both traditions the notion is that samskaras predispose our views and behaviors and so perspective on them must be gained. In Buddhism the idea is to breath insight and mindfulness into them, to disentangle ourselves from their influence. In Advaita Hinduism (including TM Hinduism), the goal is to dissolve them by cultivating a deeper apprehension of Brahman/ Atman - as you know. Anyway, MMY's idea that thoughts during meditation are indicative of these samskaras dissolving (rather than simply the flux of the unfocused mind) seems to be the original idea. But is it true or only a rationalization to intice lazy Americans? I wonder. Or do you contend that effortlessness is superfluous to
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Was John Lennon Right About Maharishi?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 22, 2006, at 9:03 AM, authfriend wrote: We can even leave only out of the picture here in terms of what's at issue and stipulate that it's possible there *is* some other technique that is as effortless as TM. But if so, it isn't the techniques Dana is talking about. Kind of a moot point since we've long ago debunked the idea that TM is effortless and actually have the words of Mahesh on this where he indicates it does take effort. There are a number of reasons for TM requiring effort, most significant is that it uses patched placement, that is when you fail to transcend continuously, you have to patch that failure (or break) by returning to the mantra. Of course it is helpful to know experientially what effortless meditation is, it is meditation without any object whatsoever. If you need an object to find some inward stroke, there's effort involved, period. It's a natural consequence of all dualistic meditation methods, ones that require you to close eyes and turn towards an object in order to merge with that object and transcend something. Waves hand, bah. Or, moreto the point, why is TM the only technique that shows reduction in activity of the thalamus? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Was John Lennon Right About Maharishi?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Oh dear, you are so very attached to your beliefs, and nothing MMY actually said makes any difference huh? Okay, I was just offering a quote from the man himself, but what would he know? Triple non sequitur. Obviously, you and I are interpreting the quote differently. It looks to me as though he's referring to the principles *behind* TM (the secret), specifically that transcending is natural and effortless, rather than the specific implementation of those principles in TM as MMY teaches it. P.S.: If he had been referring to the specific implementation, I strongly suspect he would have expressed it so as to make it crystal clear, instead of the vague secret of swift and deep meditation. And he would probably have insisted that he teaches the technique *exactly* as Guru Dev taught it to him. Note that he doesn't even say Guru Dev *taught* him the secret. He says he learned it at his feet. I suspect the vagueness was deliberate, and that it was because he didn't want it to seem as though he knew something Guru Dev did not. Or if you want to look at it more negatively, he was being vague to make it *seem* as though the technique came directly from Guru Dev, to give it Guru Dev's authority, without actually saying so. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Right from the very early times, MMY most definitely claimed that the meditation he teaches (TM) was taught to him by Guru Dev. A look at page 244 of 'Thirty Years Around the World' (a TMO publication by Maharishi Vedic University, 1986) confirms this. Allegedly on 29th April 1959 Maharishi Mahesh Yogi told journalists:- 'My life truly began 19 years ago at the feet of my master when I learned the secret of swift and deep meditation, a secret I now impart.' Paul, that is *not* a claim that TM--i.e., what MMY teaches--was taught to him by Guru Dev. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Comments posted about 12 Great Places Article
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: Does anybody know the first person or what she could be talking about? I've never hard of any of the things she mentioned happening. Apparently I've been missing quite a bit. http://tinyurl.com/mm76s 2. Sharon Anderson For heavens sake don't come to Fairfield Iowa unless you want to go to jail. The police in Fairfield are out of control and will arrest you for the smallest infraction and jail you. The town has taxed its citizens millions upon millions of dollars for a state of the art jail facility. They expect to recoup this investment with interest. My advice to stay as far away from Fairfield and their little kangaroo court as posssible. They want to jail children down to the age of ten years old now. Its so out of control its actually insane. If you sit on a park bench you will be breath tested. If you exit a bar you will be breath tested. Fairfield has a public intox law that they use to jail anyone they suspect of drinking. If you get a parking ticket and pay it, half the time they will arrest you anyway and make you pay bail of $200 then make you pay court costs when they have their little court case in which you will be found innocent BUT YOU STILL HAVE To PAY $160. The police and the courts in Fairfield are out to get your money. The people that have to live in the filthy little hog town are taxed and taxed and taxed and taxed. The town council passes laws against skateboarding and anything they deem able to generate money at the drop of a hat. Currently the residents are struggling with the latest scheme to extract money from them in the form of an ordinance where they have to pay for repairing the sidewalks which can cost thousands and thousands of dollars and must be done by their hand picked crew. The town is all about taking your money. Poeple who have never gone to jail in their lives can go to Fairfield and find themsleves in jail for the pettiest reasons ever heard of. Come to Fairfield AND GO TO JAIL! My advice is to stay as far away from Fairfiled as possible. Its actully the worst case of out of control police and judiciary I have ever seen. Thursday, July 20, 2006 - 12:28:25 3. Holly Moore As a 30+ year resident of Fairfield, Iowa, I find the above comments by Ms. Anderson amusing and untrue. I'm sad that that is all she can comment upon about our wonderful community, but I respect her right to her opinion. I couldn't agree more with the great place designation you have bequethed upon us! Fairfield is a wonderful, wonderful place to live! The town is one of the most creative and economically vibrant communities in the nation and a lesson in excellence in American rural living. I am one of the community members who came for the university, but stay for Fairfield. I cannot imagine living anywhere else, despite having travelled around the country and overseas. For all the reasons you mention, plus many, many others, my husband and I work and volunteer here, are raising our family, and intend to retire in Fairfield. Please come visit us sometime soon, but be sure it's near the begining of the month so you can enjoy our 1st Fridays Art Walk, an amazing fusion of arts and entertainment held in over 25 art galleries and venues on and around our historic town square, the first Friday of all 12 months of the year, rain, snow, or shine. We welcome you! Thursday, July 20, 2006 - 19:34:40 Sounds like the first pesron is trying to convince people not to attend the upcoming course. Wonder why. Wow. That sounded like Lupidus/Nablus, not you, Sparaig. The only thing it sounded like to me was some kid who got busted once for being drunk in public and holds a grudge. Depends on when the conversatio took place, of course. Hmm, looks like it took place on Thursday. The course was announced when? My point exactly. If the conversation had taken place 6 months ago, Barry would have a point. Given it took place at the time the course was announced, its almost certainly in the contextof someone trying to dissuade people from coming to Fairfield. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Was John Lennon Right About Maharishi?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh dear, you are so very attached to your beliefs, and nothing MMY actually said makes any difference huh? Okay, I was just offering a quote from the man himself, but what would he know? She is The Knower - we are only on the path of knowing. Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Right from the very early times, MMY most definitely claimed that the meditation he teaches (TM) was taught to him by Guru Dev. A look at page 244 of 'Thirty Years Around the World' (a TMO publication by Maharishi Vedic University, 1986) confirms this. Allegedly on 29th April 1959 Maharishi Mahesh Yogi told journalists:- 'My life truly began 19 years ago at the feet of my master when I learned the secret of swift and deep meditation, a secret I now impart.' Paul, that is *not* a claim that TM--i.e., what MMY teaches--was taught to him by Guru Dev. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Comments posted about 12 Great Places Article
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: snip Sounds like the first pesron is trying to convince people not to attend the upcoming course. Wonder why. Wow. That sounded like Lupidus/Nablus, not you, Sparaig. The only thing it sounded like to me was some kid who got busted once for being drunk in public and holds a grudge. Depends on when the conversatio took place, of course. Hmm, looks like it took place on Thursday. The course was announced when? My point exactly. If the conversation had taken place 6 months ago, Barry would have a point. Given it took place at the time the course was announced, its almost certainly in the contextof someone trying to dissuade people from coming to Fairfield. Dunno about almost certainly, but it's *plausible*. The effectiveness of the ploy, however, would depend on how many people who would be considering going to the course in Fairfield read Mother Earth News online, which may not be a whole lot. I think it's probably more likely that there's no connection with the course at all. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Was John Lennon Right About Maharishi?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Oh dear, you are so very attached to your beliefs, and nothing MMY actually said makes any difference huh? Okay, I was just offering a quote from the man himself, but what would he know? She is The Knower - we are only on the path of knowing. You *do* realize that Paul's response was a complete non sequitur to what I said, right, Ingegerd? Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Right from the very early times, MMY most definitely claimed that the meditation he teaches (TM) was taught to him by Guru Dev. A look at page 244 of 'Thirty Years Around the World' (a TMO publication by Maharishi Vedic University, 1986) confirms this. Allegedly on 29th April 1959 Maharishi Mahesh Yogi told journalists:- 'My life truly began 19 years ago at the feet of my master when I learned the secret of swift and deep meditation, a secret I now impart.' Paul, that is *not* a claim that TM--i.e., what MMY teaches--was taught to him by Guru Dev. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Comments posted about 12 Great Places Article
Sounds like the first pesron is trying to convince people not to attend the upcoming course. Wonder why. Wow. That sounded like Lupidus/Nablus, not you, Sparaig. The only thing it sounded like to me was some kid who got busted once for being drunk in public and holds a grudge. Depends on when the conversatio took place, of course. Hmm, looks like it took place on Thursday. The course was announced when? The Millennium is upon us. I am speechless. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Was John Lennon Right About Maharishi?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 22, 2006, at 9:27 AM, Paul Mason wrote: Right from the very early times, MMY most definitely claimed that the meditation he teaches (TM) was taught to him by Guru Dev. A look at page 244 of 'Thirty Years Around the World' (a TMO publication by Maharishi Vedic University, 1986) confirms this. Allegedly on 29th April 1959 Maharishi Mahesh Yogi told journalists:- 'My life truly began 19 years ago at the feet of my master when I learned the secret of swift and deep meditation, a secret I now impart.' SO it's clearly a dandi technique or actually a watering down of this standard beginners practice. And you're quite certain he couldn't possibly be referring to Guru Dev's teaching about the principles of the nature and mechanics of consciousness, rather than a specific technique? Thanks for the quote, I realize there are many such quote You mean, vague references like this one that might refer to something other than a specific technique? , I just have little interest in tracking all these things down. It's already obvious to me. snicker Your pomposity is exceeded only by your ignorance, Vaj. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Was John Lennon Right About Maharishi?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd marwincornyarmand@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Oh dear, you are so very attached to your beliefs, and nothing MMY actually said makes any difference huh? Okay, I was just offering a quote from the man himself, but what would he know? She is The Knower - we are only on the path of knowing. You *do* realize that Paul's response was a complete non sequitur to what I said, right, Ingegerd? No, I do not realise that. You think you are right from your stand of view - I think I am right from my experiences - Paul has come up some quotes of MMY to clarify. And here we are. Ingegerd Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Right from the very early times, MMY most definitely claimed that the meditation he teaches (TM) was taught to him by Guru Dev. A look at page 244 of 'Thirty Years Around the World' (a TMO publication by Maharishi Vedic University, 1986) confirms this. Allegedly on 29th April 1959 Maharishi Mahesh Yogi told journalists:- 'My life truly began 19 years ago at the feet of my master when I learned the secret of swift and deep meditation, a secret I now impart.' Paul, that is *not* a claim that TM--i.e., what MMY teaches--was taught to him by Guru Dev. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Was John Lennon Right About Maharishi?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd marwincornyarmand@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Oh dear, you are so very attached to your beliefs, and nothing MMY actually said makes any difference huh? Okay, I was just offering quote from the man himself, but what would he know? She is The Knower - we are only on the path of knowing. You *do* realize that Paul's response was a complete non sequitur to what I said, right, Ingegerd? No, I do not realise that. Well, perhaps you should read it again. You think you are right from your stand of view - I think I am right from my experiences - Paul has come up some quotes of MMY to clarify. And here we are. Right, with the issue still unclarified. I've made a reasoned case for my interpretation. You haven't addressed it at all, and all Paul has produced is a bunch of fulminating non sequiturs. *That's* where we are. You believe what you want to believe because you want to believe it, I believe what I believe on the basis of reason and logic. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Was John Lennon Right About Maharishi?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You believe what you want to believe because you want to believe it, I believe what I believe on the basis of reason and logic. Can I ask a question? Is there anyone on this forum that you don't believe your first clause applies to? I, for one, have gotten the impres- sion that you believe this about pretty much everyone here but yourself. If you're the only exception, is it still reaonable and logical to believe that you're an exception? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Was John Lennon Right About Maharishi?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd marwincornyarmand@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd marwincornyarmand@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Oh dear, you are so very attached to your beliefs, and nothing MMY actually said makes any difference huh? Okay, I was just offering quote from the man himself, but what would he know? She is The Knower - we are only on the path of knowing. You *do* realize that Paul's response was a complete non sequitur to what I said, right, Ingegerd? No, I do not realise that. Well, perhaps you should read it again. You think you are right from your stand of view - I think I am right from my experiences - Paul has come up some quotes of MMY to clarify. And here we are. Right, with the issue still unclarified. I've made a reasoned case for my interpretation. You haven't addressed it at all, and all Paul has produced is a bunch of fulminating non sequiturs. *That's* where we are. You believe what you want to believe because you want to believe it, I believe what I believe on the basis of reason and logic. It is good to analyse and use reason and logic - and we can probably do that. But in the TM-world - it was not much analysing and logic thinking when it came to TM og Deep meditation (which was the first name MMY came up with). MMY was an excellent seller of TM - and one of his sales-techniques was maybe, that Deep Meditation came directly from the Holy Tradition - and given to MMY from Guru Dev. The big interest in the early days was related to that - an old meditation method - given out in the original way - and that is what all TM-Teachers say when they teach. I learned the technique from MMY - he learned it from Guru Dev - which again learned it from his Master and so on and so on. I am not sure that if MMY had come to the West saying that - this is a meditation method that I have developed - that he would have had the same success from the beginning. We were somehow brainwashed from the start - to think in a certain direction. I feel I can say that - because I learned Deep meditation in 1962 and has been deep in the TMO in almost all these years. I still think he fooled us. Ingegerd Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Impending Crisis - a Vedic Astrology perspective
Alex Stanley wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For a more relevant forecast Mars has to be seen from it's transits of houses not the signs though the sign will color the transit. So it will be different for each rising sign and more specific with aspects and conjunctions to the chart. An interesting thing it to watch the Rahu house transits and see if they reflect themes in your life related to the house it is transiting. Rahu (the north node) is very influential. With Mars passing extraordinarily close to Earth in August, I'm counting on it having the effect of making wealthy Nigerians send me millions of dollars. So that's why they do it. I always wanted to know. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: STATE OF EMERGENCY--IMMEDIATE ACTION NEEDED
TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Barry, not that you'd be panhandling, but I am sure you take advantage of the excellent wine there, as I would...we have a French neighbor and she and her husband have a bottle of French wine (red, of course...) when we have dinner with them. The last one was a Burgundy- yum! I was going to quote you the label, but you'd probably laugh as there are so many good wines there (as here...). Cheers! It's really astounding how many good wines there are here, and how cheap some of them are (the exception are the Bordeaux, which are overly expensive every- whereK). But as it turns out, I haven't had any of them for a few weeks now because I'm on my Summer Get This Olde Bod Back In Shape Diet and Exercise Program. Aging may not slow down one's mind, but it sure wreaks havoc on one's metabolism. :-) Is it beginning to bake in France yet like it is in the US? I've never understood drinking an acidic wine in the middle of a hot summer. Beer, which is bitter (and cold) makes more sense. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TurquoiseB wrote: It's really astounding how many good wines there are here, and how cheap some of them are (the exception are the Bordeaux, which are overly expensive every- whereK). But as it turns out, I haven't had any of them for a few weeks now because I'm on my Summer Get This Olde Bod Back In Shape Diet and Exercise Program. Aging may not slow down one's mind, but it sure wreaks havoc on one's metabolism. :-) Is it beginning to bake in France yet like it is in the US? Not as bad as what I see on the news from the US; that looks more reminiscent of the big 2003 canicule (heat wave) here in France in 2003. It's actually been cooler here this week than last. I've never understood drinking an acidic wine in the middle of a hot summer. Beer, which is bitter (and cold) makes more sense. Sangria is nice on a hot day, iced. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Was John Lennon Right About Maharishi?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: You believe what you want to believe because you want to believe it, I believe what I believe on the basis of reason and logic. Can I ask a question? Is there anyone on this forum that you don't believe your first clause applies to? I don't think anyone else here but me and the two others I was addressing has yet weighed in on the specific belief I was referring to, so I'm afraid I'm unable to provide an answer. I, for one, have gotten the impres- sion that you believe this about pretty much everyone here but yourself. With regard to beliefs in general, you're very much mistaken. Most here at least try to support their beliefs with reason and logic, in my observation. If you're the only exception, is it still reaonable and logical to believe that you're an exception? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] beer
http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/monkeybeer.php :) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Was John Lennon Right About Maharishi?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: I, for one, have gotten the impres- sion that you believe this about pretty much everyone here but yourself. With regard to beliefs in general, you're very much mistaken. Most here at least try to support their beliefs with reason and logic, in my observation. And that is better in your view why? I'm actually serious, and not trying to start any kind of fight. Although this is going to come as a shock to you :-), I really don't see that beliefs based on the artificial concepts of reason and logic are any more valid than those based on, say, personal experience and intuition. Your mileage may vary, and apparently does. I'm just curious as to why. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: beer
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, larry.potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/monkeybeer.php :) Wonderful. A warning not to overdo it if one takes Bhairitu's advice about drinking beer (real beer) this summer. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: STATE OF EMERGENCY--IMMEDIATE ACTION NEEDED
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: Hey Barry, not that you'd be panhandling, but I am sure you take advantage of the excellent wine there, as I would...we have a French neighbor and she and her husband have a bottle of French wine (red, of course...) when we have dinner with them. The last one was a Burgundy- yum! I was going to quote you the label, but you'd probably laugh as there are so many good wines there (as here...). Cheers! It's really astounding how many good wines there are here, and how cheap some of them are (the exception are the Bordeaux, which are overly expensive every- whereK). But as it turns out, I haven't had any of them for a few weeks now because I'm on my Summer Get This Olde Bod Back In Shape Diet and Exercise Program. Aging may not slow down one's mind, but it sure wreaks havoc on one's metabolism. :-) Yep, I've noticed for the last five years or so that my metabolism is highly efficient, so I gain weight *much* more easily than I used to on the one hand, and on the other I am not nearly as active as I used to be. Ah well, its like being reborn though, which is cool! Anyway, here's a toast when you have a glass again! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Was John Lennon Right About Maharishi?'
It appears that the meditation method taught by Guru Dev ( other
other 'sadgurus') later morphed to become the TM technique as taught
by the various organisations of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi.
Guru Dev explains:-
'You must get to know the mantra of your Ishta, and the method of
meditation (dhyan) thereof, through an experienced Sadguru and
somehow or other, devote some time every day in japa of the Ishta
mantra and dhyan. Through japa, realisation (siddhi) will result.
There is no doubt about this. japaat siddhirjapaat
siddhirnasaMshayaaH.
source - ('Strange Facts About a Great Saint' by Raj Varma, quoting
from 'Amrit Kana', a book compiled by Brahmachari Mahesh {aka
Maharishi Mahesh Yogi}).
After Guru Dev's demise, when Maharishi Mahesh Yogi started teaching
meditation in South India in October 1955 he explained:-
'For our practice we select only the suitable mantras of personal
Gods. Such mantras fetch to us the grace of personal Gods and make us
happier in every walk of life.
source - (p65 'Beacon Light of the Himalayas', 1955)
'When he devotes himself and meditates on the name and form (NAMA AND
RUPA) of the LORD, he begins to experience some ANANDAM and also the
Grace of the Lord in every walk of life'. ibid p76
Three and a half years later on April 29th 1959 in Los Angeles MMY
announced to the press:-
'My life truly began 19 years ago at the feet of my master when I
learned the secret of swift and deep meditation, a secret I now
impart to the world.'
source - (p244 Thirty Years Around the World' MVU 1986)
But MMY was now addressing a difference audience from those back home
in India, and consequently certain elements of the meditation
teaching had begun to be revised:-
'It is I who gave it the present expression, but I learnt it from him
(Guru Dev) in the traditional way ... through very old expressions of
religious order. Every religion has its own vocabulary; Hinduism has
its own vocabulary; yoga has its own way of expression of the
reality; Vedanta has its own approach. He taught me in the
traditional way of yoga and Vedanta and Indian religious language. I
gave it an expression in the universal way...
source - (International Times {IT} 15th December 1967)
So, it appears true to say that Guru Dev taught a form meditation to
MMY, and that MMY changed the teaching of meditation so it would be
more acceptable to non-Hindus.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: STATE OF EMERGENCY--IMMEDIATE ACTION NEEDED
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: It's really astounding how many good wines there are here, and how cheap some of them are (the exception are the Bordeaux, which are overly expensive every- whereK). But as it turns out, I haven't had any of them for a few weeks now because I'm on my Summer Get This Olde Bod Back In Shape Diet and Exercise Program. Aging may not slow down one's mind, but it sure wreaks havoc on one's metabolism. :-) Yep, I've noticed for the last five years or so that my metabolism is highly efficient, so I gain weight *much* more easily than I used to on the one hand, and on the other I am not nearly as active as I used to be. Ah well, its like being reborn though, which is cool! Anyway, here's a toast when you have a glass again! The diet won't last too much longer, but hopefully the exercise program will. If I confide that I'm on the American Beauty Diet -- I just want to look good naked -- does it reveal too much about my motivation? :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Was John Lennon Right About Maharishi?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: snip And yet another comment from Dana: I also find the great strengths that exist in other organizations. But this thing, of our experiencing live mantrah, something that exists on its own, deep within self, that something which moves self into Self, is that thing which makes TM so very precious. This is not a unique quality of TM. It exists in all formal, Tantric Hindu and Buddhist traditions. There is no aspect of TM practice that is not common in these traditions (as I mentioned before, the only change I've seen is in how drifting from the mantra is interpreted. In TM, it's attributed to unstressing; in the mainline traditions it's attributed to lack of success. In both cases the instruction is the same - return to the mantra once you realize you're off of it. Huge, huge difference here. With the ignorant instruction, attributing being off the mantra to 'lack of success' drives the mind to concentrate, and thereby remain on the surface of the mind, encouraging the validity of the small self. Ding. With the correct or enlightened instruction, we know that for the mind to drift off the mantra is natural and not to be concerned about it. No wonder the traditionalists in India and other Eastern areas have supposed low regard for this type of meditation-- it hasn't been taught correctly for generations! Geez, it doesn't take a rocket scientist! What is Dana smoking anyway?! It isn't a matter of intelligence, it's something else, something psychological, maybe. It's like looking all over for your glasses when they're right on your nose. Inability to think outside the box? Of course, the other danger arises constantly as well I have more bliss experiences with x meditation than TM, therefore its better than TM. Bliss, as defined by MMy, is neither blissful NOR an experience in the usual sense. I know a lot of TMers that make this mistake too. It's scary. First established in Being, non-blissful Bliss is the golden radiant vortex we enter to discover the Gods in their personal form; Vishnu for example. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Was John Lennon Right About Maharishi?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd marwincornyarmand@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd marwincornyarmand@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Oh dear, you are so very attached to your beliefs, and nothing MMY actually said makes any difference huh? Okay, I was just offering quote from the man himself, but what would he know? She is The Knower - we are only on the path of knowing. You *do* realize that Paul's response was a complete non sequitur to what I said, right, Ingegerd? No, I do not realise that. Well, perhaps you should read it again. You think you are right from your stand of view - I think I am right from my experiences - Paul has come up some quotes of MMY to clarify. And here we are. Right, with the issue still unclarified. I've made a reasoned case for my interpretation. You haven't addressed it at all, and all Paul has produced is a bunch of fulminating non sequiturs. *That's* where we are. You believe what you want to believe because you want to believe it, I believe what I believe on the basis of reason and logic. It is good to analyse and use reason and logic - and we can probably do that. But in the TM-world - it was not much analysing and logic thinking when it came to TM og Deep meditation (which was the first name MMY came up with). Maybe not, but we can look back on it using reason and logic, no? MMY was an excellent seller of TM - and one of his sales-techniques was maybe, that Deep Meditation came directly from the Holy Tradition - and given to MMY from Guru Dev. That may well have been your impression. What I'm suggesting is that he didn't say explicitly that the technique itself, the one he was and is teaching as TM (or deep meditation back then), was taught to him by Guru Dev. He left it vague, as in the secret of or from whom we have this knowledge. The question is, *why* did he leave it vague? Partly because the idea that it had come from Guru Dev was a selling point, surely, but also, I suspect--and perhaps even more importantly, to MMY--because for him to make it explicit that *he* had reconstructed the technique would suggest that Guru Dev hadn't known how to do it, which would seem to set MMY above his master. The big interest in the early days was related to that - an old meditation method - given out in the original way - and that is what all TM-Teachers say when they teach. Sure, but an old method that hadn't been available for a long while--*including* from Guru Dev, which is what MMY wanted to avoid saying, I suspect. I learned the technique from MMY - he learned it from Guru Dev - which again learned it from his Master and so on and so on. I am not sure that if MMY had come to the West saying that - this is a meditation method that I have developed - that he would have had the same success from the beginning. Quite possibly not. But by the time I learned in 1976, TM teachers were quite explicit that it was MMY who had revived the method, *based on* what he had learned from Guru Dev. In the West, questions of lineage and loyalty to the master are perhaps not so important, so it wasn't such a big deal for MMY to acknowledge that he had been the one who revived it rather than Guru Dev. Maybe by the time I learned TM, he realized it didn't make much difference to Westerners. We were somehow brainwashed from the start - to think in a certain direction. I feel I can say that - because I learned Deep meditation in 1962 and has been deep in the TMO in almost all these years. I still think he fooled us. I think you *inferred* in a certain direction. But I really do think that in India, at least, MMY was between a rock and a hard place. He couldn't say Guru Dev had taught him the TM technique, because that wouldn't have been truthful; but if he'd said he, MMY, had figured out all by himself how to teach it, it would have made Guru Dev seem less important. So he didn't have much choice but to be vague about where the technique itself had come from. *And also* the idea that it came from Guru Dev was a selling point, but I have a strong sense that the first aspect was more important to MMY, based on his insistence all along, and still today, that all the credit for anything he, MMY, did belonged to Guru Dev. We can surely understand that there would have been no TM and no MMY without Guru Dev, so to say Guru Dev made it all possible is not an exaggeration. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: STATE OF EMERGENCY--IMMEDIATE ACTION NEEDED
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Is it beginning to bake in France yet like it is in the US? I've never understood drinking an acidic wine in the middle of a hot summer. Beer, which is bitter (and cold) makes more sense. FWIW, while a cold alcoholic drink may taste wonderful in hot weather, *no* alcoholic drink makes you cooler-- to the contrary. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Was John Lennon Right About Maharishi?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It appears that the meditation method taught by Guru Dev ( other
other 'sadgurus') later morphed to become the TM technique as
taught
by the various organisations of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi.
Guru Dev explains:-
'You must get to know the mantra of your Ishta, and the method of
meditation (dhyan) thereof, through an experienced Sadguru and
somehow or other, devote some time every day in japa of the Ishta
mantra and dhyan. Through japa, realisation (siddhi) will result.
There is no doubt about this. japaat siddhirjapaat
siddhirnasaMshayaaH.
source - ('Strange Facts About a Great Saint' by Raj Varma,
quoting
from 'Amrit Kana', a book compiled by Brahmachari Mahesh {aka
Maharishi Mahesh Yogi}).
After Guru Dev's demise, when Maharishi Mahesh Yogi started
teaching
meditation in South India in October 1955 he explained:-
'For our practice we select only the suitable mantras of personal
Gods. Such mantras fetch to us the grace of personal Gods and make
us
happier in every walk of life.
source - (p65 'Beacon Light of the Himalayas', 1955)
'When he devotes himself and meditates on the name and form (NAMA
AND
RUPA) of the LORD, he begins to experience some ANANDAM and also
the
Grace of the Lord in every walk of life'. ibid p76
Three and a half years later on April 29th 1959 in Los Angeles MMY
announced to the press:-
'My life truly began 19 years ago at the feet of my master when I
learned the secret of swift and deep meditation, a secret I now
impart to the world.'
source - (p244 Thirty Years Around the World' MVU 1986)
But MMY was now addressing a difference audience from those back
home
in India, and consequently certain elements of the meditation
teaching had begun to be revised:-
'It is I who gave it the present expression, but I learnt it from
him
(Guru Dev) in the traditional way ... through very old expressions
of
religious order. Every religion has its own vocabulary; Hinduism
has
its own vocabulary; yoga has its own way of expression of the
reality; Vedanta has its own approach. He taught me in the
traditional way of yoga and Vedanta and Indian religious language.
I
gave it an expression in the universal way...
source - (International Times {IT} 15th December 1967)
So, it appears true to say that Guru Dev taught a form meditation
to
MMY, and that MMY changed the teaching of meditation so it would
be
more acceptable to non-Hindus.
I am not sure that MMY changed the Mantras that he personal gave
out. At my knowledge he did give out Mantras of Indian Gods. But he
changed for the TM-Teachers to give out other Mantras. I received a
mantra from MMY personal - and that is different from what TM-
Teachers gives out.
Ingegerd
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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Was John Lennon Right About Maharishi?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It appears that the meditation method taught by Guru Dev ( other
other 'sadgurus') later morphed to become the TM technique as
taught
by the various organisations of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi.
Guru Dev explains:-
'You must get to know the mantra of your Ishta, and the method of
meditation (dhyan) thereof, through an experienced Sadguru and
somehow or other, devote some time every day in japa of the Ishta
mantra and dhyan. Through japa, realisation (siddhi) will result.
There is no doubt about this. japaat siddhirjapaat
siddhirnasaMshayaaH.
source - ('Strange Facts About a Great Saint' by Raj Varma, quoting
from 'Amrit Kana', a book compiled by Brahmachari Mahesh {aka
Maharishi Mahesh Yogi}).
After Guru Dev's demise, when Maharishi Mahesh Yogi started
teaching
meditation in South India in October 1955 he explained:-
'For our practice we select only the suitable mantras of personal
Gods. Such mantras fetch to us the grace of personal Gods and make
us
happier in every walk of life.
source - (p65 'Beacon Light of the Himalayas', 1955)
'When he devotes himself and meditates on the name and form (NAMA
AND
RUPA) of the LORD, he begins to experience some ANANDAM and also
the
Grace of the Lord in every walk of life'. ibid p76
Three and a half years later on April 29th 1959 in Los Angeles MMY
announced to the press:-
'My life truly began 19 years ago at the feet of my master when I
learned the secret of swift and deep meditation, a secret I now
impart to the world.'
source - (p244 Thirty Years Around the World' MVU 1986)
But MMY was now addressing a difference audience from those back
home
in India, and consequently certain elements of the meditation
teaching had begun to be revised:-
'It is I who gave it the present expression, but I learnt it from
him
(Guru Dev) in the traditional way ... through very old expressions
of
religious order. Every religion has its own vocabulary; Hinduism
has
its own vocabulary; yoga has its own way of expression of the
reality; Vedanta has its own approach. He taught me in the
traditional way of yoga and Vedanta and Indian religious language.
I
gave it an expression in the universal way...
source - (International Times {IT} 15th December 1967)
So, it appears true to say that Guru Dev taught a form meditation
to MMY, and that MMY changed the teaching of meditation so it would
be more acceptable to non-Hindus.
Seems to me it's impossible to extract from all this
the notion that we would recognize what Guru Dev
taught as the same as what MMY teaches. Gave it an
expression in the universal way could mean almost
anything.
The amusing part of this discussion is that MMY's
critics can't seem to decide whether MMY is a Bad
Person for implying the technique came from Guru
Dev when he actually dreamed it up himself, or
whether he's a Bad Person for implying he dreamed
it up himself when it actually came from Guru Dev...
He's damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Was John Lennon Right About Maharishi?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason
premanandpaul@ wrote:
It appears that the meditation method taught by Guru Dev ( other
other 'sadgurus') later morphed to become the TM technique as
taught
by the various organisations of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi.
Guru Dev explains:-
'You must get to know the mantra of your Ishta, and the method of
meditation (dhyan) thereof, through an experienced Sadguru and
somehow or other, devote some time every day in japa of the Ishta
mantra and dhyan. Through japa, realisation (siddhi) will result.
There is no doubt about this. japaat siddhirjapaat
siddhirnasaMshayaaH.
source - ('Strange Facts About a Great Saint' by Raj Varma,
quoting
from 'Amrit Kana', a book compiled by Brahmachari Mahesh {aka
Maharishi Mahesh Yogi}).
After Guru Dev's demise, when Maharishi Mahesh Yogi started
teaching
meditation in South India in October 1955 he explained:-
'For our practice we select only the suitable mantras of personal
Gods. Such mantras fetch to us the grace of personal Gods and make
us
happier in every walk of life.
source - (p65 'Beacon Light of the Himalayas', 1955)
'When he devotes himself and meditates on the name and form (NAMA
AND
RUPA) of the LORD, he begins to experience some ANANDAM and also
the
Grace of the Lord in every walk of life'. ibid p76
Three and a half years later on April 29th 1959 in Los Angeles MMY
announced to the press:-
'My life truly began 19 years ago at the feet of my master when I
learned the secret of swift and deep meditation, a secret I now
impart to the world.'
source - (p244 Thirty Years Around the World' MVU 1986)
But MMY was now addressing a difference audience from those back
home
in India, and consequently certain elements of the meditation
teaching had begun to be revised:-
'It is I who gave it the present expression, but I learnt it from
him
(Guru Dev) in the traditional way ... through very old expressions
of
religious order. Every religion has its own vocabulary; Hinduism
has
its own vocabulary; yoga has its own way of expression of the
reality; Vedanta has its own approach. He taught me in the
traditional way of yoga and Vedanta and Indian religious language.
I
gave it an expression in the universal way...
source - (International Times {IT} 15th December 1967)
So, it appears true to say that Guru Dev taught a form meditation
to
MMY, and that MMY changed the teaching of meditation so it would
be
more acceptable to non-Hindus.
I am not sure that MMY changed the Mantras that he personal gave
out. At my knowledge he did give out Mantras of Indian Gods. But he
changed for the TM-Teachers to give out other Mantras. I received a
mantra from MMY personal - and that is different from what TM-
Teachers gives out.
Ingegerd
Thankyou Ingegerd and Paul useful info and good quotes.
JohnY
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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Was John Lennon Right About Maharishi?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: I, for one, have gotten the impres- sion that you believe this about pretty much everyone here but yourself. With regard to beliefs in general, you're very much mistaken. Most here at least try to support their beliefs with reason and logic, in my observation. And that is better in your view why? I'm actually serious, and not trying to start any kind of fight. Although this is going to come as a shock to you :-), I really don't see that beliefs based on the artificial concepts of reason and logic are any more valid than those based on, say, personal experience and intuition. Your mileage may vary, and apparently does. I'm just curious as to why. In what sense are reason and logic artificial concepts? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Comments posted about 12 Great Places Article
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds like the first pesron is trying to convince people not to attend the upcoming course. Wonder why. Wow. That sounded like Lupidus/Nablus, not you, Sparaig. The only thing it sounded like to me was some kid who got busted once for being drunk in public and holds a grudge. Depends on when the conversatio took place, of course. Hmm, looks like it took place on Thursday. The course was announced when? The Millennium is upon us. I am speechless. Perhaps you misread something. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: STATE OF EMERGENCY--IMMEDIATE ACTION NEEDED
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: It's really astounding how many good wines there are here, and how cheap some of them are (the exception are the Bordeaux, which are overly expensive every- whereK). But as it turns out, I haven't had any of them for a few weeks now because I'm on my Summer Get This Olde Bod Back In Shape Diet and Exercise Program. Aging may not slow down one's mind, but it sure wreaks havoc on one's metabolism. :-) Yep, I've noticed for the last five years or so that my metabolism is highly efficient, so I gain weight *much* more easily than I used to on the one hand, and on the other I am not nearly as active as I used to be. Ah well, its like being reborn though, which is cool! Anyway, here's a toast when you have a glass again! The diet won't last too much longer, but hopefully the exercise program will. If I confide that I'm on the American Beauty Diet -- I just want to look good naked -- does it reveal too much about my motivation? :-) Ha-Ha!!! Sounds as good a motivation as any- all the best! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: STATE OF EMERGENCY--IMMEDIATE ACTION NEEDED
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: snip Is it beginning to bake in France yet like it is in the US? I've never understood drinking an acidic wine in the middle of a hot summer. Beer, which is bitter (and cold) makes more sense. FWIW, while a cold alcoholic drink may taste wonderful in hot weather, *no* alcoholic drink makes you cooler-- to the contrary. Ha-Ha! I am enjoying the way the subject matter here has morphed in relation to the title... Yes, I heard once that the difference between a painkiller and a tranquilizer is that with a painkiller, the signals from the injury are actually blocked from reaching the brain, whereas with a tranquilizer, the signals reach the brain, but you don't care. Same with alocohol on a hot day... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: STATE OF EMERGENCY--IMMEDIATE ACTION NEEDED
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I confide that I'm on the American Beauty Diet -- I just want to look good naked Lol...ain't gonna happen bud. -- does it reveal too much about my motivation? :-) You're gay maybe? OffWorld Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Was John Lennon Right About Maharishi?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: I, for one, have gotten the impres- sion that you believe this about pretty much everyone here but yourself. With regard to beliefs in general, you're very much mistaken. Most here at least try to support their beliefs with reason and logic, in my observation. And that is better in your view why? I'm actually serious, and not trying to start any kind of fight. Although this is going to come as a shock to you :-), I really don't see that beliefs based on the artificial concepts of reason and logic are any more valid than those based on, say, personal experience and intuition. Your mileage may vary, and apparently does. I'm just curious as to why. In what sense are reason and logic artificial concepts? Never mind. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: STATE OF EMERGENCY--IMMEDIATE ACTION NEEDED
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: Hey Barry, not that you'd be panhandling, but I am sure you take advantage of the excellent wine there, as I would...we have a French neighbor and she and her husband have a bottle of French wine (red, of course...) when we have dinner with them. The last one was a Burgundy- yum! I was going to quote you the label, but you'd probably laugh as there are so many good wines there (as here...). Cheers! It's really astounding how many good wines there are here, and how cheap some of them are (the exception are the Bordeaux, which are overly expensive every- whereK). But as it turns out, I haven't had any of them for a few weeks now because I'm on my Summer Get This Olde Bod Back In Shape Diet and Exercise Program. Aging may not slow down one's mind, but it sure wreaks havoc on one's metabolism. :-) Yes, being an alcoholic is bad for you, and judging by previous posts of yours your mind has been badly affected. No matter, stay off the vino now, and practice TM regularly and do asanas. You still stand a chance. OffWorld Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Is it beginning to bake in France yet like it is in the US? I've never understood drinking an acidic wine in the middle of a hot summer. Beer, which is bitter (and cold) makes more sense. FWIW, while a cold alcoholic drink may taste wonderful in hot weather, *no* alcoholic drink makes you cooler-- to the contrary. Actually that was disproved recently. But too much alcoholic drinks will increase pitta. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TurquoiseB wrote: It's really astounding how many good wines there are here, and how cheap some of them are (the exception are the Bordeaux, which are overly expensive every- whereK). But as it turns out, I haven't had any of them for a few weeks now because I'm on my Summer Get This Olde Bod Back In Shape Diet and Exercise Program. Aging may not slow down one's mind, but it sure wreaks havoc on one's metabolism. :-) Is it beginning to bake in France yet like it is in the US? Not as bad as what I see on the news from the US; that looks more reminiscent of the big 2003 canicule (heat wave) here in France in 2003. It's actually been cooler here this week than last. I've never understood drinking an acidic wine in the middle of a hot summer. Beer, which is bitter (and cold) makes more sense. Sangria is nice on a hot day, iced. It's Mexican food tonight so it may be margaritas. :) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Vaj Has Never Practiced Or Taught TM As Taught By MMY
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sinhlnx [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ---(discussion below - TM and other techniques). Vaj, I've concluded that you were never initiated into TM, otherwise, you wouldn't be so misguided on the contrasts between TM and other techniques. Please set the record straight: were you or were you not intiated into TM as taught by MMY.? I know you are a disciple of Norbu Rinpoche, but what technique does he have that equals TM, Dance of the Vajra? In my book, the main consideration is the POWER in the mantra; and the use of the mantra is important, but secondary. In regard to the mantra's power, this question can't be resolved through logic; but rather direct experience only. For example, I've been initiated into the Ramakrishna mantra by an authorized Monk but there was little power in that mantra compared to TM. In the Sant Mat tradition alone, I've been initated by representatives of Kirpal Singh, Charan Singh, Thakur Singh, Darshan Singh, and the Eckankar Guru Paul Twitchell. Nope, no power in those mantras!. I've been initiated by Muktananda and Guru Maharaji. Far more power in the TM mantra!. So what's your comparison test? First, were you initiated by an authorized rep of MMY, or not; and how did your experience of TM compare with the mantras of other traditions? If you weren't initiated into TM (as taught by MMY), then you aren't qualified to render an opinion; since the taste test isn't possible without direct experience. And who the Hell is Dana? Hi, Excellent detective work sinhlnx! I can confirm your supposition here. Vaj has never been initiated into, nor taught, TM as taught by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. After I read your piece, I did some research, and some pattern matching, and it is unmistakable. You are correct in asserting that Vaj has been saying 'TM' but meaning mantra meditation, **NOT TM**. It has been his tiny little 'secret', but after reading your words, I had enough clues to know precisely how to look at Vaj to get the answer, and the answer as said is unmistakable and conclusive-- Vaj has never learned TM, Practiced TM, or taught TM as taught by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. I suspect he will be surprised reading this! So all of this time, he has been claiming to be speaking about TM as a former practitioner and teacher. Not a good thing at all. Pure arrogance on his part. Oh well, I suppose it was good while it lasted, eh Vaj? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj Has Never Practiced Or Taught TM As Taught By MMY
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sinhlnx sinhlnx@ wrote: ---(discussion below - TM and other techniques). Vaj, I've concluded that you were never initiated into TM, otherwise, you wouldn't be so misguided on the contrasts between TM and other techniques. Please set the record straight: were you or were you not intiated into TM as taught by MMY.? I know you are a disciple of Norbu Rinpoche, but what technique does he have that equals TM, Dance of the Vajra? In my book, the main consideration is the POWER in the mantra; and the use of the mantra is important, but secondary. In regard to the mantra's power, this question can't be resolved through logic; but rather direct experience only. For example, I've been initiated into the Ramakrishna mantra by an authorized Monk but there was little power in that mantra compared to TM. In the Sant Mat tradition alone, I've been initated by representatives of Kirpal Singh, Charan Singh, Thakur Singh, Darshan Singh, and the Eckankar Guru Paul Twitchell. Nope, no power in those mantras!. I've been initiated by Muktananda and Guru Maharaji. Far more power in the TM mantra!. So what's your comparison test? First, were you initiated by an authorized rep of MMY, or not; and how did your experience of TM compare with the mantras of other traditions? If you weren't initiated into TM (as taught by MMY), then you aren't qualified to render an opinion; since the taste test isn't possible without direct experience. And who the Hell is Dana? Hi, Excellent detective work sinhlnx! I can confirm your supposition here. Vaj has never been initiated into, nor taught, TM as taught by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. After I read your piece, I did some research, and some pattern matching, and it is unmistakable. You are correct in asserting that Vaj has been saying 'TM' but meaning mantra meditation, **NOT TM**. It has been his tiny little 'secret', but after reading your words, I had enough clues to know precisely how to look at Vaj to get the answer, and the answer as said is unmistakable and conclusive-- Vaj has never learned TM, Practiced TM, or taught TM as taught by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. I suspect he will be surprised reading this! So all of this time, he has been claiming to be speaking about TM as a former practitioner and teacher. Not a good thing at all. Pure arrogance on his part. Oh well, I suppose it was good while it lasted, eh Vaj? I made a post way back, concluding that Vaj had not learned TM. It was obvious from his posts. He has learned lots of other techniques from the internet though. When he says he has been initiated it means he learned something from the internet. (I also, predicted that Turquoise B was a Wino, a fact he has recently confirmed...but he is trying to change that and I wish him well) OffWorld To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj Has Never Practiced Or Taught TM As Taught By MMY
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sinhlnx sinhlnx@ wrote: ---(discussion below - TM and other techniques). Vaj, I've concluded that you were never initiated into TM, otherwise, you wouldn't be so misguided on the contrasts between TM and other techniques. Please set the record straight: were you or were you not intiated into TM as taught by MMY.? I know you are a disciple of Norbu Rinpoche, but what technique does he have that equals TM, Dance of the Vajra? In my book, the main consideration is the POWER in the mantra; and the use of the mantra is important, but secondary. In regard to the mantra's power, this question can't be resolved through logic; but rather direct experience only. For example, I've been initiated into the Ramakrishna mantra by an authorized Monk but there was little power in that mantra compared to TM. In the Sant Mat tradition alone, I've been initated by representatives of Kirpal Singh, Charan Singh, Thakur Singh, Darshan Singh, and the Eckankar Guru Paul Twitchell. Nope, no power in those mantras!. I've been initiated by Muktananda and Guru Maharaji. Far more power in the TM mantra!. So what's your comparison test? First, were you initiated by an authorized rep of MMY, or not; and how did your experience of TM compare with the mantras of other traditions? If you weren't initiated into TM (as taught by MMY), then you aren't qualified to render an opinion; since the taste test isn't possible without direct experience. And who the Hell is Dana? Hi, Excellent detective work sinhlnx! I can confirm your supposition here. Vaj has never been initiated into, nor taught, TM as taught by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. After I read your piece, I did some research, and some pattern matching, and it is unmistakable. You are correct in asserting that Vaj has been saying 'TM' but meaning mantra meditation, **NOT TM**. It has been his tiny little 'secret', but after reading your words, I had enough clues to know precisely how to look at Vaj to get the answer, and the answer as said is unmistakable and conclusive-- Vaj has never learned TM, Practiced TM, or taught TM as taught by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. I suspect he will be surprised reading this! So all of this time, he has been claiming to be speaking about TM as a former practitioner and teacher. Not a good thing at all. Pure arrogance on his part. Oh well, I suppose it was good while it lasted, eh Vaj? I made a post way back, concluding that Vaj had not learned TM. It was obvious from his posts. He has learned lots of other techniques from the internet though. When he says he has been initiated it means he learned something from the internet. (I also, predicted that Turquoise B was a Wino, a fact he has recently confirmed...but he is trying to change that and I wish him well) OffWorld Turquoise B is *not* a Wino... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj Has Never Practiced Or Taught TM As Taught By MMY
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Turquoise B is *not* a Wino... Doncha know...all of us anti-TMers are winos. Better hide your sheep when we're around, too. :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj Has Never Practiced Or Taught TM As Taught By MMY
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: Turquoise B is *not* a Wino... Doncha know...all of us anti-TMers are winos. Ah, yes, typical behaviour of winosneed to feel a wino group bonding, then change the subject entirely. It is ok to admit it. It will help you. :-) You said it yourself. Below you are clearly saying that you love cheap wine, but your drinking problem is so bad that you have to stop entirely to make a break from it's destructive effects on your body and mind. Quote from Turquoise B: It's really astounding how many good wines there are here, and how cheap some of them are ...But as it turns out, I haven't had any of them for a few weeks now because I'm on my Summer Get This Old Body Back In Shape Diet and Exercise Program. Aging (as a result of drinking) may not slow down one's mind, but it sure wreaks havoc on one's metabolism. Only a wino would be feeling such long-lasting and bad effects from drinking wine. Most people drink it in moderation and are just fine. Danger sign for your own wellbeing is that winos can never admit that they are winos. OffWorld Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Was John Lennon Right About Maharishi?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: I, for one, have gotten the impres- sion that you believe this about pretty much everyone here but yourself. With regard to beliefs in general, you're very much mistaken. Most here at least try to support their beliefs with reason and logic, in my observation. And that is better in your view why? I'm actually serious, and not trying to start any kind of fight. Although this is going to come as a shock to you :-), I really don't see that beliefs based on the artificial concepts of reason and logic are any more valid than those based on, say, personal experience and intuition. Your mileage may vary, and apparently does. I'm just curious as to why. Personal experience and intuition lead to doing yagyas to try to keep the new plane design flying. Logic and reason lead to one using best practices in engineering to attempt to accomplish the same task (to use a real world example). Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj Has Never Practiced Or Taught TM As Taught By MMY
---(discussion below - TM and other techniques). Vaj, I've concluded that you were never initiated into TM, otherwise, you wouldn't be so misguided on the contrasts between TM and other techniques. Please set the record straight: were you or were you not intiated into TM as taught by MMY.? I know you are a disciple of Norbu Rinpoche, but what technique does he have that equals TM, Dance of the Vajra? In my book, the main consideration is the POWER in the mantra; and the use of the mantra is important, but secondary. POWER of the mantra... hmm is that MMY term? I don't recall him or TM teachers nor advanced technique guys use it.. In regard to the mantra's power, this question can't be resolved through logic; but rather direct experience only. how convenient ... ;) For example, I've been initiated into the Ramakrishna mantra by an authorized Monk but there was little power in that mantra compared to TM. In the Sant Mat tradition alone, I've been initated by representatives of Kirpal Singh, Charan Singh, Thakur Singh, Darshan Singh, and the Eckankar Guru Paul Twitchell. Nope, no power in those mantras!. I've been initiated by Muktananda and Guru Maharaji. Far more power in the TM mantra!. So what's your comparison test? First, were you initiated by an authorized rep of MMY, or not; and how did your experience of TM compare with the mantras of other traditions? If you weren't initiated into TM (as taught by MMY), then you aren't qualified to render an opinion; since the taste test isn't possible without direct experience. And who the Hell is Dana? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Lady in the Water review
I saw Lady in the Water which is M. Night Shyamalan's latest film yesterday afternoon. Unfortunately I didn't find the film that good and agree with some of the reviewers such as S.F. Chronicle's Mick LaSalle (who I often don't agree with). In fact I think his best film thus far has been The Sixth Sense. The problem is that though he is very talented the studios pay him way to much to make these films (the studios are starting to wise up BTW but that's another story). When you pay people too much the creativity falls by the wayside as they feel compelled to be worth the money they're being paid and technique rules. Look at last year's award winner Crash which was low budget and has a lot of soul. Trim M. Night's budgets way down and we may see some good films from him again. BTW, it was interesting that all the four trailers that played before the film we either sci-fi or supernatural in nature. The trailers were for The Fountain, The Illusionist, The Prestige, and Children of Man. Also some of these films had the same actors in them. The A-list must have shrunk considerably. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
