[FairfieldLife] Thought bubble?
http://tinyurl.com/es77j
From the above analysis, it is clear that the observer plays a
fundamental role in thelanguage of Mathematics. The observer not only
creates all the components andexpressions, he also determines all of
the features he chooses to use and how he usesthem. The design
features may occur in clusters or all at once. According to
ancientIndian linguistics the diverse features of language emerge
from a unitized thought bubblecalled sphota. Sphota emerges
from para, or undefined awareness.A unique aspect of mathematics,
similar to music, is that in its pure form it often has nospecific
interpretation or practical world semantic meaning. We say it is
abstract. Puremathematical objects are mental creations that are only
weakly defined or whollyundefined in the physical world. This
generalization power is deliberate and may be acombination of
semanticity and displacement. Interpretations of abstract
mathematicalsystems lead to models and applications, but such
extensions are optional. Themeaning of pure mathematics can be
apprehended in an abstract, aesthetic way simplyas patterns of
relationships and their orderly transformations.The practical
usefulness of any mathematical system in physics comes from
thecreation of an interpretation that applies the mathematical system
as a model for physicalworld phenomena. s therise over the run, this
is like dividing by zero.To his surprise Newton found out that
reducing the run to zero did not cause the ratio toexplode! It
only explodes into an indeterminate value when you think of
thedenominator of the ratio in terms of a solitary cardinal number
instead of an interval inan ordinal sequence.
sphoTa m. bursting , opening , expansion , disclosure (cf. %{narma-
sph-}) MBh. Ka1v. c. ; extension (see %{kara-sph-}) ; a swelling ,
boil , tumour Car. Sus3r. ; a little bit or fragment , chip L. ;
crackling , crash , roar MBh. VarBr2S. ; (in phil.) sound (conceived
as eternal , indivisible , and creative) Sarvad. ; the eternal and
imperceptible element of sounds and words and the real vehicle of the
idea which bursts or flashes on the mind when a sound is uttered
Pat. ; (%{A}) f. shaking or waving the arms Ma1rkP. ; the expanded
hood of a snake (= or w.r. for %{sphaTA}) L.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Taco Bell Canon, updated
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/29/06 9:36 AM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The music never bothered me. What bothers me is the vocal affectation of some TMers, like the guy at the beginning of tapes saying, Ringing the bell of invincibility for every nation. MMY's voice isn't anything like that, so where did they get this notion that speaking like a breathy dickless pansy somehow embodies the qualities of enlightenment? Maybe they're just breathy dickless pansies and can't speak any *other* way? Reveals the power of the mind to attach to anything, including silly English fag voices ringing the dickless balls of fear. MMY is such a lion that you either become a lion like him or a hairless eunuch ready to be eaten up. I think this thing started because Neil Paterson and Ron Dector spoke that way and other tape titlers emulated them. You can bet Maharishi listened to and approved those voice-overs. My favourite fag voice blooper was when they made a tape celebrating the United States and they went over each of the 50 states, saying for each something like: ...and we light the light of Missouri...and we light the light of New York...etc. When they got to Arkansas, the voice pronounced it like Kansas with an Ar sound in front of it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Quantum physisists around?? (Was Re: Steorn: Free Energy)
--- uns_tressor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: Rick Archer groups@ wrote: 5 days ago Steorn, an Irish Company, placed a full page ad in The Economist - this costs around £140K. Here's the text: All great truths begin as Blasphemies -George Bernard Shaw http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Steorn_Free_Energy I have had a message from a London meditator who reckons This development is rubbish. It will besmerch the name of good magnetic/electromagnetic workers. Maybe that is its purpose: http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1419.0.html Uns. Steorn appear to have a patent for a shielding device of doubtful value. That's all. But I have just received this link from a London meditator about an item written by an exotic US scientist and would welcome a commentary: http://www.cheniere.org/correspondence/082606.htm Uns. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Thought bubble?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://tinyurl.com/es77j From the above analysis, it is clear that the observer plays a fundamental role in the language of Mathematics. The observer not only creates all the components and expressions, he also determines all of the features he chooses to use and how he usesthem. The design features may occur in clusters or all at once. According to ancientIndian linguistics the diverse features of language emerge from a unitized thought bubble called sphota. FWIW, pronounced approximately [sp-haw-tah]... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: How do you tune your guitar?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I use an Intellitouch tuner that is clamped to the guitar headstock and takes the pitch vibration from the neck. Because it does not rely on the your ability to hear your own string it is very useful for performance. http://www.tuners.com/pt1.asp Cool! :) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] MRI study on nuns
'God spot' researchers see the light in MRI study Ian Sample, science correspondent Wednesday August 30, 2006 The Guardian Brain scans of nuns have revealed intricate neural circuits that flicker into life when they feel the presence of God. The images suggest that feelings of profound joy and union with a higher being that accompany religious experiences are the culmination of ramped-up electrical activity in parts of the brain. The scans were taken as nuns relived intense religious experiences. They showed a surge in neural activity in regions of the brain that govern feelings of peace, happiness and self-awareness. Psychologists at the University of Montreal say the research, which appears in the journal Neuroscience Letters, was not intended to confirm or deny the existence of God, but set out to examine how the brain behaves during profound religious experiences. Mario Beauregard and Vincent Paquette used functional magnetic resonance imaging to scan the brains of 15 Carmelite nuns who were asked to remember the most intense mystical experience they had ever had. When the scans were compared with others taken beforehand, the scientists found electrical activity and blood oxygen levels had surged in at least 12 regions of the brain. Some regions, such as the medial orbitofrontal cortex, are strongly associated with emotions, while activity in the right middle temporal cortex is believed to be responsible for the impression of contacting a spiritual entity. The scans showed different brain activity from those taken when the nuns were asked to remember intense emotional experiences that involved another person. The findings contradict previous suggestions that human brains may have evolved with a God spot - a single region that lights up in response to deeply religious thoughts. Rather than there being one spot that relates to mystical experiences, we've found a number of brain regions are involved, said Dr Beauregard. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Would it matter if Maharishi wasn't enlightened?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From reading between the lines, it just seems to me that you have some kind of hatred towards Maharishi, some jealousy or envy maybe? I don't know. Is your +agenda+ just to diss Maharishi, or to crucify him, for all to see. I'm just not sure where you first started feeling so much animosity toward him. Am I +wrong+ about the way you feel toward him? Yes, you are wrong about the way I feel towards Maharishi, and you're starting to sound like an insane cult fanatic to boot. :-) I think you should go back and re-read the two posts you are commenting on above. In them I said absolutely NOTHING negative about Maharishi. Not one word, not one line. All that I did say was that I don't believe he is enlightened, and then I explained why. Somehow, in your mind, reading between the lines, that became hatred, jealousy, envy, an attempt to diss him, and/or an attempt to crucify him. Do you even REALIZE this? I didn't bother to reply to this cult crap last night, but I will this morning because I really think that you should become a little more aware of how your *own* mind works. All that happened in this series of posts was that someone (me) said that he didn't believe that Maharishi is enlightened, and then explained why. YOU turned that into hatred, jealousy, envy, and an attempt to crucify Maharishi. Clearly, you seem to believe that all of these descriptions apply to anyone who doesn't believe that Maharishi is enlightened. Doesn't that strike you as a bit drastic and...uh...cult-like? I'm beginning to understand how you can justify nuking the people of Iran. You must be reading between the lines with regard to them, too. :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Taco Bell Canon, updated
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip My favourite fag voice blooper was when they made a tape celebrating the United States and they went over each of the 50 states, saying for each something like: ...and we light the light of Missouri...and we light the light of New York...etc. When they got to Arkansas, the voice pronounced it like Kansas with an Ar sound in front of it. I liked the one with Jai Guru Dev for the plus sign of Switzerland... Geoff To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: How do you tune your guitar?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Great details Spraig. Thanks. I was definitely preaching to the choir on classical guitars, you obviously know a lot more about them. I was particularly interested in the detail about Segovia not performing with older guitars. Segovia apparently DID play one guitar for 25 years... Phew! These spaniards are made of stern stuff. Presumably takeaways were delivered and used a chemical toilet. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Guru Dev on who and who cannot be a guru
Guru Dev speaks about who and who cannot become gurus, and the following are translated extracts of satsang number 74 of 108, included in a collection of his teachings entitled 'Shri Shankaracharya UpadeshAmrita' 'There is no mention of women being gurus anywhere in the shastras. Women cannot be a guru. Gargim, Chudala, Sulabha etc. were women who had become yogis and possessed of self-knowledge. But it is not met with anywhere that they made their own disciples.' '...But not everyone can be a guru. Actually, only brahmans to be in the position of guru. In addition to brahmans, kshatriyas, vaishya, shudras can become shishya (disciples), but not guru. Women also have no right to be made a guru.' 'Nowadays kaayastha, vaishya, teli (oilman), and also kalavar (seller of spirits) are taking to wearing the colours of the sadhu (holy man) and are eagerly wishing to make shishya (disciples) of their own. Actually both this kind of guru and shishya (disciple) are to get their downfall. Actually this speech we are saying coincides with the shastras, it is not something of my own that I have made up.' Jai Guru Dev Paul To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on who and who cannot be a guru
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guru Dev speaks about who and who cannot become gurus, and the following are translated extracts of satsang number 74 of 108, included in a collection of his teachings entitled 'Shri Shankaracharya UpadeshAmrita' 'There is no mention of women being gurus anywhere in the shastras. Women cannot be a guru. Gargim, Chudala, Sulabha etc. were women who had become yogis and possessed of self-knowledge. But it is not met with anywhere that they made their own disciples.' '...But not everyone can be a guru. Actually, only brahmans to be in the position of guru. In addition to brahmans, kshatriyas, vaishya, shudras can become shishya (disciples), but not guru. Women also have no right to be made a guru.' 'Nowadays kaayastha, vaishya, teli (oilman), and also kalavar (seller of spirits) are taking to wearing the colours of the sadhu (holy man) and are eagerly wishing to make shishya (disciples) of their own. Actually both this kind of guru and shishya (disciple) are to get their downfall. Actually this speech we are saying coincides with the shastras, it is not something of my own that I have made up.' Jai Guru Dev Paul You agree with Guru Dev that women and those of lower caste should not be gurus, Paul? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Would it matter if Maharishi wasn't enlightened?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel babajii_99@ wrote: From reading between the lines, it just seems to me that you have some kind of hatred towards Maharishi, some jealousy or envy maybe? I don't know. Is your +agenda+ just to diss Maharishi, or to crucify him, for all to see. I'm just not sure where you first started feeling so much animosity toward him. Am I +wrong+ about the way you feel toward him? Yes, you are wrong about the way I feel towards Maharishi, and you're starting to sound like an insane cult fanatic to boot. :-) I think you should go back and re-read the two posts you are commenting on above. In them I said absolutely NOTHING negative about Maharishi. Not one word, not one line. Think maybe Robert is including in his comments some of the many posts in which Barry *has* said negative things about MMY? Also note what Barry chooses to overlook, that Robert said he was reading between the lines. Barry's quite skilled at giving himself plausible deniability in the way he words his criticisms. That way, when someone sees through the veneer of compassion and neutrality in which he cloaks them, Barry can label the person a cult fanatic. All that I did say was that I don't believe he is enlightened, and then I explained why. Somehow, in your mind, reading between the lines, that became hatred, jealousy, envy, an attempt to diss him, and/or an attempt to crucify him. I'd guess it's stuff like this, where Barry hasn't laid onr *quite* enough veneer to disguise his feelings, that Robert has in mind (just from Barry's posts since he's been back): - I *do* believe that he went against the direct advice of his own teacher in making this decision to teach, and at his own peril. Spiritual teaching is a perilous task; there are pitfalls and dangers in it, especially for those who still have a strong ego that would be easy prey for these pitfalls and dangers. *That* is what I believe that Guru Dev had in mind when he told Maharishi not to teach, and to follow his *own* example and spend his time in meditation, far away from the teaching process I think he had Maharishi's best interests in mind when he made the suggestion that he *not* teach; he must have known that Maharishi was not *ready* to teach, and *would* fall victim to the pitfalls and dangers that awaited him if he chose that path. And I believe that Maharishi did, in fact, fall prey to them. - It's *Maharishi* who has the hangup about 'loyalty,' and who views anyone who isn't completely 'faithful' to him forever as weak and a failure, or an actual enemy. It's *Maharishi's* mindset we see in the words of the TBs, spoken by people who don't even know that the mindset they're expressing is not their own. And interestingly, I think the reason Maharishi feels this way is that he's doing the same thing the TBs on FFL and elsewhere in the TMO are doing, projecting his own internal dis-ease outwards. IMO Maharishi feels 'betrayed' by those who don't do everything he says because *he* didn't do what Guru Dev told him to do. He was told to go off and meditate, and *not* to teach, and he did the opposite. I honestly think that inwardly he feels that he betrayed his teacher, and that these feelings come to the surface for him whenever someone 'betrays' him by not doing exactly what *he* tells them to do. As with the TBs he's trained to think like him, when this happens Maharishi blames the person who has made him feel this way, and often does his best to demonize them for leaving, or for not following his advice as if it were the word of God. But what I think he's really angry at them for is making *him* feel emotions he doesn't like to experience. What he's feeling when his students don't do what he tells them to do is his own karma. It's just so sad that he's never been able to realize that. - How difficult is it to run an organization that only consists of a couple of thousand people in an ethical manner? If it had been run that way all along -- as Rick says so well, if Maharishi had actually walked his talk -- the enormous inter- national organization sparaig imagines and is trying to use as an excuse for inefficient and unethical behavior might still actually exist. - Naw, no attempts to disrespect MMY in any of this, is there? Nothing negative, not one word, not one line, right? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on who and who cannot be a guru
In a message dated 8/30/06 7:55:43 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" premanandpaul@... wrote: Guru Dev speaks about who and who cannot become gurus, and the following are translated extracts of satsang number 74 of 108, included in a collection of his teachings entitled 'Shri Shankaracharya UpadeshAmrita' 'There is no mention of women being gurus anywhere in the shastras. Women cannot be a guru. Gargim, Chudala, Sulabha etc. were women who had become yogis and possessed of self-knowledge. But it is not met with anywhere that they made their own disciples.' '...But not everyone can be a guru. Actually, only brahmans to be in the position of guru. In addition to brahmans, kshatriyas, vaishya, shudras can become shishya (disciples), but not guru. Women also have no right to be made a guru.' 'Nowadays kaayastha, vaishya, teli (oilman), and also kalavar (seller of spirits) are taking to wearing the colours of the sadhu (holy man) and are eagerly wishing to make shishya (disciples) of their own. Actually both this kind of guru and shishya (disciple) are to get their downfall. Actually this speech we are saying coincides with the shastras, it is not something of my own that I have made up.' Jai Guru Dev PaulYou agree with Guru Dev that women and those oflower caste should not be gurus, Paul? I get the impression that Paul is saying Guru Dev is either *right* or *wrong*. Also the Shastras are either *right* or *wrong*. There is not a lot of wiggle room in Guru Dev's statement. Very interesting. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Taco Bell Canon, updated
--- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/29/06 11:00 PM, curtisdeltablues at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I never warmed up to Neil. I had very little exposure to him but I never felt like I was talking to the real Neal. I had a weird dust up with him for bringing Jerry Jarvis to D.C. for a lecture when I was running the center. When I heard him at the mike I always got the creeps. It has been so long now perhaps he comes off differently today. He just seemed so boring and committed to never showing any of his own personality that it made me feel weird around him. He had a nervous breakdown about 10 years ago. Maybe a result of straining? Not being true to himself? He recovered and is still a movement big shot. Neil was in my small group class for SCI at Queens College during the summer of 1972. He was one of those guys that was difficult to get to know. Never really shared his feelings or thoughts. Very private. Not unfriendly, but formal and polite. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] I miss Fairfield
--- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/29/06 7:42 PM, Tom at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: just started school at IHCC, but i dearly miss my town even though i was not born or raised there I really miss the good vibe it puts off. IHCC is where, in Ottumwa? The vibe doesn¹t reach there? Does Ottumwa still have Pop-a-Top and the other nuddie bars? __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MRI study on nuns
This is an interesting article with a flaw on the scientist part: They make the assumption that remembering or reliving process that the mind is doing is the same as the actual, present time, in the now, experience of God. Memory just isn't the same as experience, as intense as those memories may be. I'd be curious to see if the results were the same for brothers from a similar order, or perhaps doing research on MD and Purusha members. Maybe the movement needs to trade in all those old EEG machines of Wallace's and invest in a fMRI in Fairfield for this type of research. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, claudiouk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 'God spot' researchers see the light in MRI study Ian Sample, science correspondent Wednesday August 30, 2006 The Guardian Brain scans of nuns have revealed intricate neural circuits that flicker into life when they feel the presence of God. The images suggest that feelings of profound joy and union with a higher being that accompany religious experiences are the culmination of ramped-up electrical activity in parts of the brain. The scans were taken as nuns relived intense religious experiences. They showed a surge in neural activity in regions of the brain that govern feelings of peace, happiness and self-awareness. Psychologists at the University of Montreal say the research, which appears in the journal Neuroscience Letters, was not intended to confirm or deny the existence of God, but set out to examine how the brain behaves during profound religious experiences. Mario Beauregard and Vincent Paquette used functional magnetic resonance imaging to scan the brains of 15 Carmelite nuns who were asked to remember the most intense mystical experience they had ever had. When the scans were compared with others taken beforehand, the scientists found electrical activity and blood oxygen levels had surged in at least 12 regions of the brain. Some regions, such as the medial orbitofrontal cortex, are strongly associated with emotions, while activity in the right middle temporal cortex is believed to be responsible for the impression of contacting a spiritual entity. The scans showed different brain activity from those taken when the nuns were asked to remember intense emotional experiences that involved another person. The findings contradict previous suggestions that human brains may have evolved with a God spot - a single region that lights up in response to deeply religious thoughts. Rather than there being one spot that relates to mystical experiences, we've found a number of brain regions are involved, said Dr Beauregard. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on who and who cannot be a guru
It appears that Guru Dev was extremely orthodox. --- Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If one is using the word 'guru' in the Indian strict sense of the word, no, there can be no flexibility in who and who cannot be gurus. But if one is using the more modern and much looser sense of the word 'guru', then of course, we can all join in. We all have the opportunity to learn a fantastic amount from each other. In fact, in the west, where so many women are interested in yoga and meditation, there are many who know proportionately much more than many male seekers. But it is not really necessary to set oneself up as a 'guru' for surely we can just learn from one another, sharing stuff. Unfortunately, i --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Guru Dev speaks about who and who cannot become gurus, and the following are translated extracts of satsang number 74 of 108, included in a collection of his teachings entitled 'Shri Shankaracharya UpadeshAmrita' 'There is no mention of women being gurus anywhere in the shastras. Women cannot be a guru. Gargim, Chudala, Sulabha etc. were women who had become yogis and possessed of self-knowledge. But it is not met with anywhere that they made their own disciples.' '...But not everyone can be a guru. Actually, only brahmans to be in the position of guru. In addition to brahmans, kshatriyas, vaishya, shudras can become shishya (disciples), but not guru. Women also have no right to be made a guru.' 'Nowadays kaayastha, vaishya, teli (oilman), and also kalavar (seller of spirits) are taking to wearing the colours of the sadhu (holy man) and are eagerly wishing to make shishya (disciples) of their own. Actually both this kind of guru and shishya (disciple) are to get their downfall. Actually this speech we are saying coincides with the shastras, it is not something of my own that I have made up.' Jai Guru Dev Paul You agree with Guru Dev that women and those of lower caste should not be gurus, Paul? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on who and who cannot be a guru
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If one is using the word 'guru' in the Indian strict sense of the word, no, there can be no flexibility in who and who cannot be gurus. Could you define the Indian strict sense of the word, please? But if one is using the more modern and much looser sense of the word 'guru', then of course, we can all join in. We all have the opportunity to learn a fantastic amount from each other. In fact, in the west, where so many women are interested in yoga and meditation, there are many who know proportionately much more than many male seekers. But it is not really necessary to set oneself up as a 'guru' for surely we can just learn from one another, sharing stuff. Unfortunately, i --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Guru Dev speaks about who and who cannot become gurus, and the following are translated extracts of satsang number 74 of 108, included in a collection of his teachings entitled 'Shri Shankaracharya UpadeshAmrita' 'There is no mention of women being gurus anywhere in the shastras. Women cannot be a guru. Gargim, Chudala, Sulabha etc. were women who had become yogis and possessed of self- knowledge. But it is not met with anywhere that they made their own disciples.' '...But not everyone can be a guru. Actually, only brahmans to be in the position of guru. In addition to brahmans, kshatriyas, vaishya, shudras can become shishya (disciples), but not guru. Women also have no right to be made a guru.' 'Nowadays kaayastha, vaishya, teli (oilman), and also kalavar (seller of spirits) are taking to wearing the colours of the sadhu (holy man) and are eagerly wishing to make shishya (disciples) of their own. Actually both this kind of guru and shishya (disciple) are to get their downfall. Actually this speech we are saying coincides with the shastras, it is not something of my own that I have made up.' Jai Guru Dev Paul You agree with Guru Dev that women and those of lower caste should not be gurus, Paul? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Katrina relief
If you've been wanting to contribute money or time (including from home, wherever you are) to help with the continuing massive needs of Katrina survivors on this one-year anniversary of the hurricane, the grassroots Emergency Communities organization, which was formed in the wake of Katrina and has many ongoing activities in the devastated Gulf Coast region, is one of the better bets. Its Web site: http://www.emergencycommunities.org/about.htm A diary about the group on the blog DailyKos by one of its members: http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/8/29/132717/492 To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on who and who cannot be a guru
I think GD was a very strict Gentleman without compromises regarding the Vedas. It does not mean that I totally agree with him, but I think it is very doubtfull that he allowed MMY to go out and teach or sell Mantras. I have very great respect for GD because he made his thoughts very clear. It was just the way he was. Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guru Dev speaks about who and who cannot become gurus, and the following are translated extracts of satsang number 74 of 108, included in a collection of his teachings entitled 'Shri Shankaracharya UpadeshAmrita' 'There is no mention of women being gurus anywhere in the shastras. Women cannot be a guru. Gargim, Chudala, Sulabha etc. were women who had become yogis and possessed of self-knowledge. But it is not met with anywhere that they made their own disciples.' '...But not everyone can be a guru. Actually, only brahmans to be in the position of guru. In addition to brahmans, kshatriyas, vaishya, shudras can become shishya (disciples), but not guru. Women also have no right to be made a guru.' 'Nowadays kaayastha, vaishya, teli (oilman), and also kalavar (seller of spirits) are taking to wearing the colours of the sadhu (holy man) and are eagerly wishing to make shishya (disciples) of their own. Actually both this kind of guru and shishya (disciple) are to get their downfall. Actually this speech we are saying coincides with the shastras, it is not something of my own that I have made up.' Jai Guru Dev Paul To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Brief Commentary on Bob Dylan's Mississippi-Part 1
I had never heard of Luke Jordan, thanks for turning me on to him. I have been searching on the Web and can find info but no examples of his music. I guess there are only 6 songs in circulation? If you have any links so I can hear him please let me know. from what I read Jordan is a Piedmont player. I am skewed towards the Delta guys, although I live in the Piedmont area where guys like John Jackson, and Archie Edwards played in that style. I got to see those guys before they died. For some reason the Piedmont style doesn't move me like the Delta stuff. Mississippi John Hurt was such a fixture in the folk revival I grew up in, but aside from appreciating what he does, I don't listen to or play that style. I dig the holy trinity of Charley Patton, Son House and Robert Johnson, and Booker White, Skip James, John Lee Hooker, Mississippi Fred Mcdowell, RL Burnside, Sonny Boy Williamson and Jack Owens among others. My favorite modern players are John Hammond and Rory Block. Do you play? You can hear samples of my music at www.cdbaby/curtisblues Thanks again for the tip on Luke Jordan. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hermandan0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Curtis. I agree totally. I was laughing at myself as I wrote it, picturing Dylan's gruff voice saying something like Well, that's just some trip in his mind. Me, I'm just gald he's there and writing the stuff so that folks like me for whom it resonates can enjoy it, whatever meaning we project into it, or don't. Bu the way, have you ever heard of and old blues player named Luke Jordan? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Dylan has often expressed amazement at people reading greater profundity than intended in his lyrics. But like all good poetry you can sure find a lot of yourself in the words. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. But I enjoyed reading your posts. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on who and who cannot be a guru
Guru Dev has pointed out that a guru must prerequisitely be a brahmana. Furthermore he clarifies in a quote used by MMY in 'Amrit Kana':- 'In the Shastra it is written that there are two marks of a guru: stotriyata (one who has thoroughly studied the Vedas) and brahmanishthata (one possessing knowledge of the immortal Self, Brahman) - tadviGYaanaarthasa gurumevaabhigachchhet samitpaaNiH shrotriyaM brahmanishhTha' (Manduka Upanishad 1-1-12) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: If one is using the word 'guru' in the Indian strict sense of the word, no, there can be no flexibility in who and who cannot be gurus. Could you define the Indian strict sense of the word, please? But if one is using the more modern and much looser sense of the word 'guru', then of course, we can all join in. We all have the opportunity to learn a fantastic amount from each other. In fact, in the west, where so many women are interested in yoga and meditation, there are many who know proportionately much more than many male seekers. But it is not really necessary to set oneself up as a 'guru' for surely we can just learn from one another, sharing stuff. Unfortunately, i --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Guru Dev speaks about who and who cannot become gurus, and the following are translated extracts of satsang number 74 of 108, included in a collection of his teachings entitled 'Shri Shankaracharya UpadeshAmrita' 'There is no mention of women being gurus anywhere in the shastras. Women cannot be a guru. Gargim, Chudala, Sulabha etc. were women who had become yogis and possessed of self- knowledge. But it is not met with anywhere that they made their own disciples.' '...But not everyone can be a guru. Actually, only brahmans to be in the position of guru. In addition to brahmans, kshatriyas, vaishya, shudras can become shishya (disciples), but not guru. Women also have no right to be made a guru.' 'Nowadays kaayastha, vaishya, teli (oilman), and also kalavar (seller of spirits) are taking to wearing the colours of the sadhu (holy man) and are eagerly wishing to make shishya (disciples) of their own. Actually both this kind of guru and shishya (disciple) are to get their downfall. Actually this speech we are saying coincides with the shastras, it is not something of my own that I have made up.' Jai Guru Dev Paul You agree with Guru Dev that women and those of lower caste should not be gurus, Paul? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Taco Bell Canon, updated
I spent a year with a speech therapist after a vocal injury. She basically taught me to speak with an English fag voice. As this style of speaking produces the least amount of stress on the vocal chords and reduces the chance of developing nodes - which can have severe medical consequences. I think the movement people do it because it appears refined. For some it is real, for others it is a self conscious affectation (which is usually easy to spot). One thing I have noticed is that people who spend a lot of time together begin to sound similar and adopt the same affectations. All the surfer kids in my neck of the woods sound the same: Like, ya know what I mean, dude? It's totally rad! Speaking slowly and softly is the mark of an educated man in many cultures I have visited around the world, particularly in Asia. So I think this was probably appropriate for the tapes. It's certainly a better choice than Sylvester Stallone doing voice over in his Rocky voice or Woody Wood Pecker...though that could be amusing! Of course in America, where testosterone runs very high, speaking abruptly and coarsely, like a gun slinger, with a curled lip is popular these days . --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: on 8/29/06 9:36 AM, Peter at drpetersutphen@ wrote: The music never bothered me. What bothers me is the vocal affectation of some TMers, like the guy at the beginning of tapes saying, Ringing the bell of invincibility for every nation. MMY's voice isn't anything like that, so where did they get this notion that speaking like a breathy dickless pansy somehow embodies the qualities of enlightenment? Maybe they're just breathy dickless pansies and can't speak any *other* way? Reveals the power of the mind to attach to anything, including silly English fag voices ringing the dickless balls of fear. MMY is such a lion that you either become a lion like him or a hairless eunuch ready to be eaten up. I think this thing started because Neil Paterson and Ron Dector spoke that way and other tape titlers emulated them. You can bet Maharishi listened to and approved those voice-overs. Some people have that speaking style. It may be exagerated fo the TM tapes, but I have heard public speakers sound much the same way. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on who and who cannot be a guru
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think GD was a very strict Gentleman without compromises regarding the Vedas. It does not mean that I totally agree with him, but I think it is very doubtfull that he allowed MMY to go out and teach or sell Mantras. Of course, MMY does not sell mantras. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on who and who cannot be a guru
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guru Dev has pointed out that a guru must prerequisitely be a brahmana. You mean, a member of the Brahmin caste? Furthermore he clarifies in a quote used by MMY in 'Amrit Kana':- 'In the Shastra it is written that there are two marks of a guru: stotriyata (one who has thoroughly studied the Vedas) and brahmanishthata (one possessing knowledge of the immortal Self, Brahman) And women are not capable of this? (What's Amrit Kana?) - tadviGYaanaarthasa gurumevaabhigachchhet samitpaaNiH shrotriyaM brahmanishhTha' (Manduka Upanishad 1-1-12) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: If one is using the word 'guru' in the Indian strict sense of the word, no, there can be no flexibility in who and who cannot be gurus. Could you define the Indian strict sense of the word, please? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on who and who cannot be a guru
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Guru Dev has pointed out that a guru must prerequisitely be a brahmana. You mean, a member of the Brahmin caste? Yes, further elaboration at:- http://www.veda.harekrsna.cz/encyclopedia/brahmana.htm Furthermore he clarifies in a quote used by MMY in 'Amrit Kana':- 'In the Shastra it is written that there are two marks of a guru: stotriyata (one who has thoroughly studied the Vedas) and brahmanishthata (one possessing knowledge of the immortal Self, Brahman) And women are not capable of this? That is neither stated nor inferred by Guru Dev. (What's Amrit Kana?) Amrita means ambrosia, elixir of life and Kana means droplet. In late 1950 a book of this title was published by Shankaracharya Ashram. It is said to be compiled by Bal Brahmachari Maheshji (MMY), and certainly he is credited with the very lengthy foreword, in praise of Guru Dev. A translation is available at:- http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/AKtransrough.htm alongwith files of the Hindi (in Itrans and .pdf files) - tadviGYaanaarthasa gurumevaabhigachchhet samitpaaNiH shrotriyaM brahmanishhTha' (Manduka Upanishad 1-1-12) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: If one is using the word 'guru' in the Indian strict sense of the word, no, there can be no flexibility in who and who cannot be gurus. Could you define the Indian strict sense of the word, please? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] I miss Fairfield
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] I miss Fairfield on 8/30/06 8:37 AM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:groups%40searchsummit.com wrote: on 8/29/06 7:42 PM, Tom at [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:plasterboy71%40yahoo.com wrote: just started school at IHCC, but i dearly miss my town even though i was not born or raised there I really miss the good vibe it puts off. IHCC is where, in Ottumwa? The vibe doesnt reach there? Does Ottumwa still have Pop-a-Top and the other nuddie bars? Dont know. Ottumwa is most notable for a large hog slaughterhouse at the edge of town. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Taco Bell Canon, updated
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Taco Bell Canon, updated on 8/30/06 9:07 AM, martyboi at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the movement people do it because it appears refined. For some it is real, for others it is a self conscious affectation (which is usually easy to spot). One thing I have noticed is that people who spend a lot of time together begin to sound similar and adopt the same affectations. All the surfer kids in my neck of the woods sound the same: Like, ya know what I mean, dude? It's totally rad! I think part of it is that they are Canadians. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on who and who cannot be a guru
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Guru Dev speaks about who and who cannot become gurus, and the following are translated extracts of satsang number 74 of 108, included in a collection of his teachings entitled 'Shri Shankaracharya UpadeshAmrita' 'There is no mention of women being gurus anywhere in the shastras. Women cannot be a guru. Gargim, Chudala, Sulabha etc. were women who had become yogis and possessed of self-knowledge. But it is not met with anywhere that they made their own disciples.' '...But not everyone can be a guru. Actually, only brahmans to be in the position of guru. In addition to brahmans, kshatriyas, vaishya, shudras can become shishya (disciples), but not guru. Women also have no right to be made a guru.' 'Nowadays kaayastha, vaishya, teli (oilman), and also kalavar (seller of spirits) are taking to wearing the colours of the sadhu (holy man) and are eagerly wishing to make shishya (disciples) of their own. Actually both this kind of guru and shishya (disciple) are to get their downfall. Actually this speech we are saying coincides with the shastras, it is not something of my own that I have made up.' Jai Guru Dev Paul You agree with Guru Dev that women and those of lower caste should not be gurus, Paul? Buddha said that women were incapable of enlightenment and that women in monasteries would always be subservient to men. Culturally ingrained sexism? or maybe they know something we don't? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on who and who cannot be a guru
--- hugheshugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Guru Dev speaks about who and who cannot become gurus, and the following are translated extracts of satsang number 74 of 108, included in a collection of his teachings entitled 'Shri Shankaracharya UpadeshAmrita' 'There is no mention of women being gurus anywhere in the shastras. Women cannot be a guru. Gargim, Chudala, Sulabha etc. were women who had become yogis and possessed of self-knowledge. But it is not met with anywhere that they made their own disciples.' '...But not everyone can be a guru. Actually, only brahmans to be in the position of guru. In addition to brahmans, kshatriyas, vaishya, shudras can become shishya (disciples), but not guru. Women also have no right to be made a guru.' 'Nowadays kaayastha, vaishya, teli (oilman), and also kalavar (seller of spirits) are taking to wearing the colours of the sadhu (holy man) and are eagerly wishing to make shishya (disciples) of their own. Actually both this kind of guru and shishya (disciple) are to get their downfall. Actually this speech we are saying coincides with the shastras, it is not something of my own that I have made up.' Jai Guru Dev Paul You agree with Guru Dev that women and those of lower caste should not be gurus, Paul? Buddha said that women were incapable of enlightenment and that women in monasteries would always be subservient to men. Culturally ingrained sexism? or maybe they know something we don't? Did Buddha really say that? Please find the source of that piece of information. I'd say it was purely sexist because there have been and are enlightened women. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Taco Bell Canon, updated
--- martyboi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I spent a year with a speech therapist after a vocal injury. She basically taught me to speak with an English fag voice. As this style of speaking produces the least amount of stress on the vocal chords and reduces the chance of developing nodes - which can have severe medical consequences. I think the movement people do it because it appears refined. For some it is real, for others it is a self conscious affectation (which is usually easy to spot). One thing I have noticed is that people who spend a lot of time together begin to sound similar and adopt the same affectations. All the surfer kids in my neck of the woods sound the same: Like, ya know what I mean, dude? It's totally rad! Speaking slowly and softly is the mark of an educated man in many cultures I have visited around the world, particularly in Asia. So I think this was probably appropriate for the tapes. It's certainly a better choice than Sylvester Stallone doing voice over in his Rocky voice or Woody Wood Pecker...though that could be amusing! Of course in America, where testosterone runs very high, speaking abruptly and coarsely, like a gun slinger, with a curled lip is popular these days . You got a problem wit dat? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: on 8/29/06 9:36 AM, Peter at drpetersutphen@ wrote: The music never bothered me. What bothers me is the vocal affectation of some TMers, like the guy at the beginning of tapes saying, Ringing the bell of invincibility for every nation. MMY's voice isn't anything like that, so where did they get this notion that speaking like a breathy dickless pansy somehow embodies the qualities of enlightenment? Maybe they're just breathy dickless pansies and can't speak any *other* way? Reveals the power of the mind to attach to anything, including silly English fag voices ringing the dickless balls of fear. MMY is such a lion that you either become a lion like him or a hairless eunuch ready to be eaten up. I think this thing started because Neil Paterson and Ron Dector spoke that way and other tape titlers emulated them. You can bet Maharishi listened to and approved those voice-overs. Some people have that speaking style. It may be exagerated fo the TM tapes, but I have heard public speakers sound much the same way. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on who and who cannot be a guru
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on who and who cannot be a guru on 8/30/06 10:16 AM, hugheshugo at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Buddha said that women were incapable of enlightenment and that women in monasteries would always be subservient to men. Culturally ingrained sexism? or maybe they know something we don't? If Buddha really said that, he was full of crap, but it might have been attributed to him by some sexist follower. But just to be safe, if I see him on the road, Ill kill him. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on who and who cannot be a guru
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- hugheshugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Buddha said that women were incapable of enlightenment and that women in monasteries would always be subservient to men. Culturally ingrained sexism? or maybe they know something we don't? Did Buddha really say that? Please find the source of that piece of information. I'd say it was purely sexist because there have been and are enlightened women. Yes I'm certain I read that in the Buddhist handbook when I was getting interested in this stuff, I remember telling a particularly feminist girlfriend about it at the time and she was less than impressed. I can't find the book just now but will have a look in the attic later. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on who and who cannot be a guru
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/30/06 10:16 AM, hugheshugo at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Buddha said that women were incapable of enlightenment and that women in monasteries would always be subservient to men. Culturally ingrained sexism? or maybe they know something we don't? If Buddha really said that, he was full of crap, but it might have been attributed to him by some sexist follower. That's what is most likely. It is very possible that you could find such sexist crap in the Vinaya (the branch of the Buddhist canon that has to do with rules of behavior for monks), but I've never met any Buddhist who believes that anything in the Vinaya was actually spoken or written by the Buddha himself. Even many of the items in the Sutta Pitaka (the branch of the Buddhist canon considered to be the actual discourses of the Buddha) are in dispute as to whether or not he ever spoke them. Nothing was written down for hundreds of years, and so it is possible that *most* of what has been attributed to the original Buddha was never actually said by him. But just to be safe, if I see him on the road, I¹ll kill him. :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on who and who cannot be a guru
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/30/06 10:16 AM, hugheshugo at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Buddha said that women were incapable of enlightenment and that women in monasteries would always be subservient to men. Culturally ingrained sexism? or maybe they know something we don't? If Buddha really said that, he was full of crap, but it might have been attributed to him by some sexist follower. But just to be safe, if I see him on the road, I¹ll kill him. Yes I guess all sorts of cultural clutter can creep in once the original inspiration has died, but before you despatch him though check and make sure eh? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on who and who cannot be a guru
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Furthermore he clarifies in a quote used by MMY in 'Amrit Kana':- 'In the Shastra it is written that there are two marks of a guru: stotriyata (one who has thoroughly studied the Vedas) and brahmanishthata (one possessing knowledge of the immortal Self, Brahman) And women are not capable of this? That is neither stated nor inferred by Guru Dev. From the quotes in your earlier post: There is no mention of women being gurus anywhere in the shastras. Women cannot be a guru. Women also have no right to be made a guru. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] A dose of reality on Iran
From Josh Marshall's blog Talking Points Memo, a post by guest blogger Matthew Yglesias: The Iran debate has really become rather surreal. You have the Islamofascist locution jumping from the fever swamps of rightwing punditry into the mouth of the President of the United States. You have the Secretary of Defense issuing dire warnings of another Munich. These things are being done by the exact same people who, four years ago, were utterly dismissive of claims that invading Iraq was likely to serve Iranian interests better than American ones. Indeed, you have the exact same people who two years ago were assuring us that it made sense to commit American blood and treasure to fight Sunni insurgents on behalf of Iranian-backed Shiite militias now saying we need to commit more blood and treasure in Iraq to stop . . . Iranian-backed Shiite militias. You have Richard Cohen, who backed the Iraq War and came to regret it, turning around and saying it's time to party like it's 1938. Meanwhile, this entire view of the world has, as best I can tell, no relationship whatsoever to reality. Read the rest at: http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/009588.php To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Does Judy Have A Life?
authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: snip Perhaps Judy and Sparig should get a room? :) Er, that's the line you reserve for people who are fighting, or REALLY getting intense in public. I'm pretty sure that Judy and I haven't been fighting, so are you suggesting that we've been doing a flirt-flirt thing, letalone an intense one? You should note that room is in quotes. What does room in quotes mean as opposed to room not in quotes? Clue #2: some groups have them but FFL doesn't. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Taco Bell Canon, updated
Rick Archer wrote: on 8/29/06 9:36 AM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The music never bothered me. What bothers me is the vocal affectation of some TMers, like the guy at the beginning of tapes saying, Ringing the bell of invincibility for every nation. MMY's voice isn't anything like that, so where did they get this notion that speaking like a breathy dickless pansy somehow embodies the qualities of enlightenment? Maybe they're just breathy dickless pansies and can't speak any *other* way? Reveals the power of the mind to attach to anything, including silly English fag voices ringing the dickless balls of fear. MMY is such a lion that you either become a lion like him or a hairless eunuch ready to be eaten up. I think this thing started because Neil Paterson and Ron Dector spoke that way and other tape titlers emulated them. You can bet Maharishi listened to and approved those voice-overs. I also thought that they might be speaking that way because they were in the room near the stage and didn't want to be heard, IOW a real-time voice-over (not uncommon in those days) instead of being added later. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?!
Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?! You are arguing like some silly child from the kindergarten. I am not giving knowledge out to someone, who can't understand, or who's brain is to small, to use the meaning of my Name it speak it out Frank (ly)! Why are you here? The Name of our cherished group is: MAHARISHI_MAHESH_YOGI_Group from yahoo! You are polluting the dear sweet feeling of ours towards His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh (Who is in reality Shiva Incarnate, not only myself had that cognition), so watch out for your bad Karma, you are producing) Yogi! P.S. About your argument, that Maharishi is not a Guru: Not the birth in his specific caste/Varna determines a man caste, it is his inner state of developed consciousness, ´which shows to what class of people he or she belongs! Other concepts are wrongly interpreted Kali-Yuga like thoughts and do not belong to the Golden Age! It is more then waist of time, it will be stupid from my side to give you further on my attention. If someone discuses from the finishing class of the High-Scholl with a child, who just came into the first Class of elementary school. I want give you any more milk, because it is quiet dangerous to feed a snake with milk. Next time she will bide you .. So me, you are a reborn snake, like the people from the church, the today's presidents like your stupid Blair or the silly men from the wild bushes in Texas! I am fairly sure, that you are a spy! How much money you received from your silly government, writing such a stupid book? I told you, you are a wolf in disguise! There is saying: A saint can see (recognize) only a Saint! Fore me you are belonging to the asuric class. The birth never determents someone Vedic caste (heritage), it is his inner state of consciousness that shows up to which class that person belongs. You have not even lived an hour close to Maharishi and you dare to write about His personality!° Shame on you! I am not misusing my precious time any more on you! You are a so- called fault apple in Maharishis Movement, stay away from us! Now I have written enough about this silly thing and let it be and give it over to my sweet most cherished Lord Krishna, who was at an earlier Time Shri Râmachandra (Râma). All Glory to Guru Dewa All Glory to His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi All Glory to Maharishis dear Râm, the protector of Dharma, Cows Vedic Shishyas. Frank W. Lotz Author of a German Book on Maharishis Vedic Cooking Style the Art of Living in accord with the Veda. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Taco Bell Canon, updated
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Taco Bell Canon, updated on 8/30/06 11:38 AM, Bhairitu at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I also thought that they might be speaking that way because they were in the room near the stage and didn't want to be heard, IOW a real-time voice-over (not uncommon in those days) instead of being added later. No. the voiceovers are done in an editing room not live. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Taco Bell Canon, updated
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, martyboi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Of course in America, where testosterone runs very high, speaking abruptly and coarsely, like a gun slinger, with a curled lip is popular these days . But there's always Bill Clinton, who has more testosterone than he knows what to do with; he doesn't speak like that, and it hasn't hurt his popularity. I suspect it's more likely guys who want to *appear* to have high testosterone levels who speak like cowboys. And considering how their approval ratings are doing lately, they don't seem to have been all that successful at it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?!
That is my favorite post so far this week! I'm just wondering if fault apple preparation are covered in the Vedic cook book cuz I never know what season to eat them. But more seriously Paul please hook me up with the spy for pay program. I think I have been doing the kind of work they obviously pay for, for free, and it it time to start turning my wolf words (or is it volf vords?) into cash. Please advise. PS if you read the rant in a German accent it is ten times funnier! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?! You are arguing like some silly child from the kindergarten. I am not giving knowledge out to someone, who can't understand, or who's brain is to small, to use the meaning of my Name it speak it out Frank (ly)! Why are you here? The Name of our cherished group is: MAHARISHI_MAHESH_YOGI_Group from yahoo! You are polluting the dear sweet feeling of ours towards His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh (Who is in reality Shiva Incarnate, not only myself had that cognition), so watch out for your bad Karma, you are producing) Yogi! P.S. About your argument, that Maharishi is not a Guru: Not the birth in his specific caste/Varna determines a man caste, it is his inner state of developed consciousness, ´which shows to what class of people he or she belongs! Other concepts are wrongly interpreted Kali-Yuga like thoughts and do not belong to the Golden Age! It is more then waist of time, it will be stupid from my side to give you further on my attention. If someone discuses from the finishing class of the High-Scholl with a child, who just came into the first Class of elementary school. I want give you any more milk, because it is quiet dangerous to feed a snake with milk. Next time she will bide you .. So me, you are a reborn snake, like the people from the church, the today's presidents like your stupid Blair or the silly men from the wild bushes in Texas! I am fairly sure, that you are a spy! How much money you received from your silly government, writing such a stupid book? I told you, you are a wolf in disguise! There is saying: A saint can see (recognize) only a Saint! Fore me you are belonging to the asuric class. The birth never determents someone Vedic caste (heritage), it is his inner state of consciousness that shows up to which class that person belongs. You have not even lived an hour close to Maharishi and you dare to write about His personality!° Shame on you! I am not misusing my precious time any more on you! You are a so- called fault apple in Maharishis Movement, stay away from us! Now I have written enough about this silly thing and let it be and give it over to my sweet most cherished Lord Krishna, who was at an earlier Time Shri Râmachandra (Râma). All Glory to Guru Dewa All Glory to His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi All Glory to Maharishis dear Râm, the protector of Dharma, Cows Vedic Shishyas. Frank W. Lotz Author of a German Book on Maharishis Vedic Cooking Style the Art of Living in accord with the Veda. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?!
It is amazing how many crazy people is left in the TMO. It is really amazing that the TMO does not give out the quotations from GD. But I can understand it, because they take away the foundation of MMY. He has been putting GD in front of himself through all these years - as an alibi. I am happy that I am not longer a part of this organisation. Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?! You are arguing like some silly child from the kindergarten. I am not giving knowledge out to someone, who can't understand, or who's brain is to small, to use the meaning of my Name it speak it out Frank (ly)! Why are you here? The Name of our cherished group is: MAHARISHI_MAHESH_YOGI_Group from yahoo! You are polluting the dear sweet feeling of ours towards His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh (Who is in reality Shiva Incarnate, not only myself had that cognition), so watch out for your bad Karma, you are producing) Yogi! P.S. About your argument, that Maharishi is not a Guru: Not the birth in his specific caste/Varna determines a man caste, it is his inner state of developed consciousness, ´which shows to what class of people he or she belongs! Other concepts are wrongly interpreted Kali-Yuga like thoughts and do not belong to the Golden Age! It is more then waist of time, it will be stupid from my side to give you further on my attention. If someone discuses from the finishing class of the High-Scholl with a child, who just came into the first Class of elementary school. I want give you any more milk, because it is quiet dangerous to feed a snake with milk. Next time she will bide you .. So me, you are a reborn snake, like the people from the church, the today's presidents like your stupid Blair or the silly men from the wild bushes in Texas! I am fairly sure, that you are a spy! How much money you received from your silly government, writing such a stupid book? I told you, you are a wolf in disguise! There is saying: A saint can see (recognize) only a Saint! Fore me you are belonging to the asuric class. The birth never determents someone Vedic caste (heritage), it is his inner state of consciousness that shows up to which class that person belongs. You have not even lived an hour close to Maharishi and you dare to write about His personality!° Shame on you! I am not misusing my precious time any more on you! You are a so- called fault apple in Maharishis Movement, stay away from us! Now I have written enough about this silly thing and let it be and give it over to my sweet most cherished Lord Krishna, who was at an earlier Time Shri Râmachandra (Râma). All Glory to Guru Dewa All Glory to His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi All Glory to Maharishis dear Râm, the protector of Dharma, Cows Vedic Shishyas. Frank W. Lotz Author of a German Book on Maharishis Vedic Cooking Style the Art of Living in accord with the Veda. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is my favorite post so far this week! I'm just wondering if fault apple preparation are covered in the Vedic cook book cuz I never know what season to eat them. But more seriously Paul please hook me up with the spy for pay program. I think I have been doing the kind of work they obviously pay for, for free, and it it time to start turning my wolf words (or is it volf vords?) into cash. Please advise. PS if you read the rant in a German accent it is ten times funnier! Imagining the guy wearing Raja's robes and a crown while saying it doesn't hurt either. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?! You are arguing like some silly child from the kindergarten. I am not giving knowledge out to someone, who can't understand, or who's brain is to small, to use the meaning of my Name it speak it out Frank (ly)! Why are you here? The Name of our cherished group is: MAHARISHI_MAHESH_YOGI_Group from yahoo! You are polluting the dear sweet feeling of ours towards His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh (Who is in reality Shiva Incarnate, not only myself had that cognition), so watch out for your bad Karma, you are producing) Yogi! P.S. About your argument, that Maharishi is not a Guru: Not the birth in his specific caste/Varna determines a man caste, it is his inner state of developed consciousness, ´which shows to what class of people he or she belongs! Other concepts are wrongly interpreted Kali-Yuga like thoughts and do not belong to the Golden Age! It is more then waist of time, it will be stupid from my side to give you further on my attention. If someone discuses from the finishing class of the High-Scholl with a child, who just came into the first Class of elementary school. I want give you any more milk, because it is quiet dangerous to feed a snake with milk. Next time she will bide you .. So me, you are a reborn snake, like the people from the church, the today's presidents like your stupid Blair or the silly men from the wild bushes in Texas! I am fairly sure, that you are a spy! How much money you received from your silly government, writing such a stupid book? I told you, you are a wolf in disguise! There is saying: A saint can see (recognize) only a Saint! Fore me you are belonging to the asuric class. The birth never determents someone Vedic caste (heritage), it is his inner state of consciousness that shows up to which class that person belongs. You have not even lived an hour close to Maharishi and you dare to write about His personality!° Shame on you! I am not misusing my precious time any more on you! You are a so- called fault apple in Maharishis Movement, stay away from us! Now I have written enough about this silly thing and let it be and give it over to my sweet most cherished Lord Krishna, who was at an earlier Time Shri Râmachandra (Râma). All Glory to Guru Dewa All Glory to His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi All Glory to Maharishis dear Râm, the protector of Dharma, Cows Vedic Shishyas. Frank W. Lotz Author of a German Book on Maharishis Vedic Cooking Style the Art of Living in accord with the Veda. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sattyanand and Devindra
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/29/06 8:36 PM, geezerfreak at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's a shame. SO much one could learn from Sattyanand if the right questions were asked. I was around him but, unlike some others who have posted here, never got a chance to really hang out with him. Devendra...I'd like to think he had owned a restaurent. The story I had heard was that he was working in one as a waiter in the UK after he returned from India. I like your story better. Anyone else know aqnything? He was a lawyer when MMY first recruited him. Wasn't that Nandkashore, or were both lawyers? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Taco Bell Canon, updated
ROFL-Goddamn breathy dickless pansy Canadians! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/30/06 9:07 AM, martyboi at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the movement people do it because it appears refined. For some it is real, for others it is a self conscious affectation (which is usually easy to spot). One thing I have noticed is that people who spend a lot of time together begin to sound similar and adopt the same affectations. All the surfer kids in my neck of the woods sound the same: Like, ya know what I mean, dude? It's totally rad! I think part of it is that they are Canadians. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sattyanand and Devendra
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sattyanand and Devendra on 8/30/06 12:37 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He was a lawyer when MMY first recruited him. Wasn't that Nandkashore, or were both lawyers? I dont know what Nand Kishore was, but Devendra was definitely a lawyer. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: How do you tune your guitar?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: (Sorry, I'm not sure about the terminology in English) If I do the basic, 5th (4th) fret E-tuning, by listening to the interference, and then hit some (arpeggio) chord, like E major, the G-string sounds to me to be somehow off. But because I'm rather tone deaf, I'm not sure if that's really the case. What kind of other methods of tuning are there? There are electronic tuners available but they all have drawbacks, I suspect. No guitar is perfect and all guitarists eventually learn to tweak teh tuning for whatever music they are playing. You should have seen Segovia! He would tune the guitar WHILE playing a piece, without missing a note. I believe Hendrix also needed to tune often during playing because he used the whammy bar and bending so forcefully. It might be that mathematically gifted people, like yourself, are more into classical music. About the only piece of classical music that I like as much as, say, Chicago blues, is Bach's Toccata and fugue in D-minor, especially played by Karl Richter, or somesuch. I dig electric guitar mainly because of all kinds of effect gadgets one can attach to it, like fuzz boxes and stuff. But perhaps I'll give Segovia a try. He might surprise me. I'm a classical guitarist, rather than a musician. I'm lousy with theory, harmony, accompanyment, ensemble, improvisation, etc. For me, classical guitar music is often simpler than other kinds of classical music. Perhaps you'll find Segoiva or some other classical guitarist easier to listen to than some other isntrumentalist or orchestra. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MRI study on nuns
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, claudiouk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 'God spot' researchers see the light in MRI study Ian Sample, science correspondent Wednesday August 30, 2006 The Guardian Brain scans of nuns have revealed intricate neural circuits that flicker into life when they feel the presence of God. The images suggest that feelings of profound joy and union with a higher being that accompany religious experiences are the culmination of ramped-up electrical activity in parts of the brain. The scans were taken as nuns relived intense religious experiences. They showed a surge in neural activity in regions of the brain that govern feelings of peace, happiness and self-awareness. Psychologists at the University of Montreal say the research, which appears in the journal Neuroscience Letters, was not intended to confirm or deny the existence of God, but set out to examine how the brain behaves during profound religious experiences. Mario Beauregard and Vincent Paquette used functional magnetic resonance imaging to scan the brains of 15 Carmelite nuns who were asked to remember the most intense mystical experience they had ever had. When the scans were compared with others taken beforehand, the scientists found electrical activity and blood oxygen levels had surged in at least 12 regions of the brain. Some regions, such as the medial orbitofrontal cortex, are strongly associated with emotions, while activity in the right middle temporal cortex is believed to be responsible for the impression of contacting a spiritual entity. The scans showed different brain activity from those taken when the nuns were asked to remember intense emotional experiences that involved another person. The findings contradict previous suggestions that human brains may have evolved with a God spot - a single region that lights up in response to deeply religious thoughts. Rather than there being one spot that relates to mystical experiences, we've found a number of brain regions are involved, said Dr Beauregard. Sounds like a completely different kind of activity than what occurs during transcending. One wonders if God Consciousness shows this kind of activity layered on top of CC, or if there is something else going on entirely. By guess would be the latter, but maybe not. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: How do you tune your guitar?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Great details Spraig. Thanks. I was definitely preaching to the choir on classical guitars, you obviously know a lot more about them. I was particularly interested in the detail about Segovia not performing with older guitars. Segovia apparently DID play one guitar for 25 years... Phew! These spaniards are made of stern stuff. Presumably takeaways were delivered and used a chemical toilet. One guitar, not one sitting. OTOH, just before his first public concert in Madrid, he would practice non-stop until he collapsed or his friends smanaged to get him to take a break so he could eat. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on who and who cannot be a guru
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If one is using the word 'guru' in the Indian strict sense of the word, no, there can be no flexibility in who and who cannot be gurus. But if one is using the more modern and much looser sense of the word 'guru', then of course, we can all join in. We all have the opportunity to learn a fantastic amount from each other. In fact, in the west, where so many women are interested in yoga and meditation, there are many who know proportionately much more than many male seekers. But it is not really necessary to set oneself up as a 'guru' for surely we can just learn from one another, sharing stuff. And of course, MMY isn't a guru in that sense. The puja is to Gurudev, not him, and he doesn't let TM be taught under any organization he endorses UNLESS a puja to Gurudev is performed. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on who and who cannot be a guru
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Guru Dev speaks about who and who cannot become gurus, and the following are translated extracts of satsang number 74 of 108, included in a collection of his teachings entitled 'Shri Shankaracharya UpadeshAmrita' 'There is no mention of women being gurus anywhere in the shastras. Women cannot be a guru. Gargim, Chudala, Sulabha etc. were women who had become yogis and possessed of self-knowledge. But it is not met with anywhere that they made their own disciples.' '...But not everyone can be a guru. Actually, only brahmans to be in the position of guru. In addition to brahmans, kshatriyas, vaishya, shudras can become shishya (disciples), but not guru. Women also have no right to be made a guru.' 'Nowadays kaayastha, vaishya, teli (oilman), and also kalavar (seller of spirits) are taking to wearing the colours of the sadhu (holy man) and are eagerly wishing to make shishya (disciples) of their own. Actually both this kind of guru and shishya (disciple) are to get their downfall. Actually this speech we are saying coincides with the shastras, it is not something of my own that I have made up.' Jai Guru Dev Paul You agree with Guru Dev that women and those of lower caste should not be gurus, Paul? By the classical definition, they CANNOT be gurus. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on who and who cannot be a guru
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It appears that Guru Dev was extremely orthodox. With one important exception, so is MMY. Do you expect the Pope or his secretary to be liberal Catholics? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on who and who cannot be a guru
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: If one is using the word 'guru' in the Indian strict sense of the word, no, there can be no flexibility in who and who cannot be gurus. Could you define the Indian strict sense of the word, please? The Sastras, obviously. He meant orthodox hindu when he said strict Indian, I'm sure. But if one is using the more modern and much looser sense of the word 'guru', then of course, we can all join in. We all have the opportunity to learn a fantastic amount from each other. In fact, in the west, where so many women are interested in yoga and meditation, there are many who know proportionately much more than many male seekers. But it is not really necessary to set oneself up as a 'guru' for surely we can just learn from one another, sharing stuff. Unfortunately, i --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Guru Dev speaks about who and who cannot become gurus, and the following are translated extracts of satsang number 74 of 108, included in a collection of his teachings entitled 'Shri Shankaracharya UpadeshAmrita' 'There is no mention of women being gurus anywhere in the shastras. Women cannot be a guru. Gargim, Chudala, Sulabha etc. were women who had become yogis and possessed of self- knowledge. But it is not met with anywhere that they made their own disciples.' '...But not everyone can be a guru. Actually, only brahmans to be in the position of guru. In addition to brahmans, kshatriyas, vaishya, shudras can become shishya (disciples), but not guru. Women also have no right to be made a guru.' 'Nowadays kaayastha, vaishya, teli (oilman), and also kalavar (seller of spirits) are taking to wearing the colours of the sadhu (holy man) and are eagerly wishing to make shishya (disciples) of their own. Actually both this kind of guru and shishya (disciple) are to get their downfall. Actually this speech we are saying coincides with the shastras, it is not something of my own that I have made up.' Jai Guru Dev Paul You agree with Guru Dev that women and those of lower caste should not be gurus, Paul? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MRI study on nuns
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, film_man_pdx [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is an interesting article with a flaw on the scientist part: They make the assumption that remembering or reliving process that the mind is doing is the same as the actual, present time, in the now, experience of God. Memory just isn't the same as experience, as intense as those memories may be. I'd be curious to see if the results were the same for brothers from a similar order, or perhaps doing research on MD and Purusha members. Maybe the movement needs to trade in all those old EEG machines of Wallace's and invest in a fMRI in Fairfield for this type of research. Brain imaging isn't like an x-ray where you can take a single snapshot. It usually takes many seconds or even minutes to do a scan of the brain. The longest recorded period of Pure Consciousness in a TMer is about 70 seconds according to the EEG, which is pushing the margin for most imaging techniques, I think. BTW, fMRI machines cost almost as much as the entire campus of MUM is worth. That's why a single scan costs $1000 or more. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is my favorite post so far this week! I'm just wondering if fault apple preparation are covered in the Vedic cook book cuz I never know what season to eat them. But more seriously Paul please hook me up with the spy for pay program. I think I have been doing the kind of work they obviously pay for, for free, and it it time to start turning my wolf words (or is it volf vords?) into cash. Please advise. PS if you read the rant in a German accent it is ten times funnier! Ve haf vays of making think your mantra innocently! An old TM teacher friend of mine once told me the story that MMY was keeping the German contingent of TM teachers very close to him at some course or another and that everyone was remarking on the favoritism. She finally had a chance to ask him why, was it because he really liked them? His answer was basically, Heavens no! I'm trying to keep an eye on them. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?! You are arguing like some silly child from the kindergarten. I am not giving knowledge out to someone, who can't understand, or who's brain is to small, to use the meaning of my Name it speak it out Frank (ly)! Why are you here? The Name of our cherished group is: MAHARISHI_MAHESH_YOGI_Group from yahoo! You are polluting the dear sweet feeling of ours towards His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh (Who is in reality Shiva Incarnate, not only myself had that cognition), so watch out for your bad Karma, you are producing) Yogi! P.S. About your argument, that Maharishi is not a Guru: Not the birth in his specific caste/Varna determines a man caste, it is his inner state of developed consciousness, ´which shows to what class of people he or she belongs! Other concepts are wrongly interpreted Kali-Yuga like thoughts and do not belong to the Golden Age! This is the kind of rabid TBer who gives rabid TBers a bad name... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sattyanand and Devendra
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/30/06 12:37 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He was a lawyer when MMY first recruited him. Wasn't that Nandkashore, or were both lawyers? I don¹t know what Nand Kishore was, but Devendra was definitely a lawyer. I heard or read a rumor (perhaps on this forum?) that Nankishore joined SSRS...any truth to that? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on who and who cannot be a guru
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/30/06 10:16 AM, hugheshugo at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Buddha said that women were incapable of enlightenment and that women in monasteries would always be subservient to men. Culturally ingrained sexism? or maybe they know something we don't? If Buddha really said that, he was full of crap, but it might have been attributed to him by some sexist follower. But just to be safe, if I see him on the road, I¹ll kill him. He obviously wasn't referring to Judy Stein. She's never been wrong once in her life. How many men can you say that about? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sattyanand and Devendra
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sattyanand and Devendra on 8/30/06 1:55 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/30/06 12:37 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He was a lawyer when MMY first recruited him. Wasn't that Nandkashore, or were both lawyers? I dont know what Nand Kishore was, but Devendra was definitely a lawyer. I heard or read a rumor (perhaps on this forum?) that Nankishore joined SSRS...any truth to that? Not that I know of. AFAIK hes up in Uttar Kashi with the Purushnicks. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?!
Frank. Thank you for the lovely turd. I'm sure you feel better now and your bowels are flowing freely in the true dharma. FFL the toilet bowl of true believers! P.S. I still don't know what Paul said that was so awful. Whatever it was , it was a serious thought crime, that we know. --- Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?! You are arguing like some silly child from the kindergarten. I am not giving knowledge out to someone, who can't understand, or who's brain is to small, to use the meaning of my Name it speak it out Frank (ly)! Why are you here? The Name of our cherished group is: MAHARISHI_MAHESH_YOGI_Group from yahoo! You are polluting the dear sweet feeling of ours towards His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh (Who is in reality Shiva Incarnate, not only myself had that cognition), so watch out for your bad Karma, you are producing) Yogi! P.S. About your argument, that Maharishi is not a Guru: Not the birth in his specific caste/Varna determines a man caste, it is his inner state of developed consciousness, ´which shows to what class of people he or she belongs! Other concepts are wrongly interpreted Kali-Yuga like thoughts and do not belong to the Golden Age! It is more then waist of time, it will be stupid from my side to give you further on my attention. If someone discuses from the finishing class of the High-Scholl with a child, who just came into the first Class of elementary school. I want give you any more milk, because it is quiet dangerous to feed a snake with milk. Next time she will bide you .. So me, you are a reborn snake, like the people from the church, the today's presidents like your stupid Blair or the silly men from the wild bushes in Texas! I am fairly sure, that you are a spy! How much money you received from your silly government, writing such a stupid book? I told you, you are a wolf in disguise! There is saying: A saint can see (recognize) only a Saint! Fore me you are belonging to the asuric class. The birth never determents someone Vedic caste (heritage), it is his inner state of consciousness that shows up to which class that person belongs. You have not even lived an hour close to Maharishi and you dare to write about His personality!° Shame on you! I am not misusing my precious time any more on you! You are a so- called fault apple in Maharishis Movement, stay away from us! Now I have written enough about this silly thing and let it be and give it over to my sweet most cherished Lord Krishna, who was at an earlier Time Shri Râmachandra (Râma). All Glory to Guru Dewa All Glory to His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi All Glory to Maharishis dear Râm, the protector of Dharma, Cows Vedic Shishyas. Frank W. Lotz Author of a German Book on Maharishis Vedic Cooking Style the Art of Living in accord with the Veda. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sattyanand and Devendra
--- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/30/06 1:55 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/30/06 12:37 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He was a lawyer when MMY first recruited him. Wasn't that Nandkashore, or were both lawyers? I don¹t know what Nand Kishore was, but Devendra was definitely a lawyer. I heard or read a rumor (perhaps on this forum?) that Nankishore joined SSRS...any truth to that? Not that I know of. AFAIK he¹s up in Uttar Kashi with the Purushnicks. No, Nankishore is not with SSRS. If he wanted to be with SSRS I'm sure Ravi would tell his former Guru brother to finish his dharma with MMY (i.e., become realized)before joining him. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is amazing how many crazy people is left in the TMO. It is really amazing that the TMO does not give out the quotations from GD. But I can understand it, because they take away the foundation of MMY. He has been putting GD in front of himself through all these years - as an alibi. Pathological. I am happy that I am not longer a part of this organisation. Ingegerd To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?!
--- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?! You are arguing like some silly child from the kindergarten. I am not giving knowledge out to someone, who can't understand, or who's brain is to small, to use the meaning of my Name it speak it out Frank (ly)! Why are you here? The Name of our cherished group is: MAHARISHI_MAHESH_YOGI_Group from yahoo! You are polluting the dear sweet feeling of ours towards His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh (Who is in reality Shiva Incarnate, not only myself had that cognition), so watch out for your bad Karma, you are producing) Yogi! P.S. About your argument, that Maharishi is not a Guru: Not the birth in his specific caste/Varna determines a man caste, it is his inner state of developed consciousness, ´which shows to what class of people he or she belongs! Other concepts are wrongly interpreted Kali-Yuga like thoughts and do not belong to the Golden Age! This is the kind of rabid TBer who gives rabid TBers a bad name... That's funny, sparaig. I'm sure you'd even tell this guy to sit down and perhaps get checked! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on who and who cannot be a guru
--- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It appears that Guru Dev was extremely orthodox. With one important exception, so is MMY. Do you expect the Pope or his secretary to be liberal Catholics? This was not a criticism of Guru Dev. It's just that I've come to realize that personalities and cultural beliefs can vary widely across the enlightened. Also Guru Dev and MMY are from early generations of Indians who are cuturally conservative. SSRS, for example, is much more relaxed and not as culturally bound although he is of the Brahmin caste and a Brahmin priest. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?!
--- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is my favorite post so far this week! I'm just wondering if fault apple preparation are covered in the Vedic cook book cuz I never know what season to eat them. But more seriously Paul please hook me up with the spy for pay program. I think I have been doing the kind of work they obviously pay for, for free, and it it time to start turning my wolf words (or is it volf vords?) into cash. Please advise. PS if you read the rant in a German accent it is ten times funnier! Ve haf vays of making think your mantra innocently! An old TM teacher friend of mine once told me the story that MMY was keeping the German contingent of TM teachers very close to him at some course or another and that everyone was remarking on the favoritism. She finally had a chance to ask him why, was it because he really liked them? His answer was basically, Heavens no! I'm trying to keep an eye on them. Remember WIMS on International Staff? Man, incarnate Nazis, no joke! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on who and who cannot be a guru
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip You agree with Guru Dev that women and those of lower caste should not be gurus, Paul? By the classical definition, they CANNOT be gurus. Sorta like the classical prohibition against charging for instruction, I guess. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Taco Bell Canon, updated
--- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, martyboi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Of course in America, where testosterone runs very high, speaking abruptly and coarsely, like a gun slinger, with a curled lip is popular these days . But there's always Bill Clinton, who has more testosterone than he knows what to do with; he doesn't speak like that, and it hasn't hurt his popularity. I suspect it's more likely guys who want to *appear* to have high testosterone levels who speak like cowboys. And considering how their approval ratings are doing lately, they don't seem to have been all that successful at it. All hat, no cattle, purty lady. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know Frank from old times, he is a sweet guy, but easily goes over the top. PS if you read the rant in a German accent it is ten times funnier! No need to warm up nationalistic sentiments ;/ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on who and who cannot be a guru
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 'There is no mention of women being gurus anywhere in the shastras. Women cannot be a guru. Gargim, Chudala, Sulabha etc. were women who had become yogis and possessed of self-knowledge. But it is not met with anywhere that they made their own disciples.' Guru Dev is certainly wrong on this. Queen Chudala brought her husband Skhidhvala to self-realization, as recounted in the Yoga Vasishta. In fact the Yoga Vasishta uses Chudalas teaching as a teaching device in itself. There is no mention of gurudom at all in the Rig Veda, so, of course women couldn't be mentioned there, and AFAIK also not in the other Vedas. Atharva Veda mentions Brahmacharis, but no mention of Guru. The 4 Vedas certainly did not dismiss women being Gurus as Gurus aren't mentioned. Rig Veda has more than 25 women seers. Woman sages like Gargi participated in philosophic discussions in the Upanishads. Originally women had the right to perform vedic rituals. RV 8.91.1 states that a maiden offers Soma to the deities in yajna. Singing of hymns in the Vedic yajna was considered as the most appropriate function of the wife; in the vedic age yajna was performed jointly by husband and wife; only later the singing was done completely by the Udgata priest (Shatapatha Brah. 14.3.1.35). In the Ramayana women perform sandhya and other rites (ramayana 2.20.15). In the Mahabharata, in the vana parva, spiritual wisdom is explained by a butcher. There is an indication that varnas were not inheritary originally in the Vedas. The Vedas themselves declare that the Veda (Knowledge) seeks him out who is aware. RV further states that the 'true' Brahmana is not the one who merely repeats vedic verses, but the one endowed with understanding. The upanishads declare that a boy is a Brahmana on account of speaking the truth (that he doesn't know who his father was). There are many such instances, and nothing in the original Veda states that castes were heritary. All these rigid rules were of a later developement of the Smritis, when vedic religion become overregulated and ritualistic. But even later Puranas deviate from this practise of heritary varnas, and state that varnas can be aquired according to personal disposition. Originally, as stated in the Vedas, all people were entitled to listen to the Vedas and to aquire Knowledge. '...But not everyone can be a guru. Actually, only brahmans to be in the position of guru. In addition to brahmans, kshatriyas, vaishya, shudras can become shishya (disciples), but not guru. Women also have no right to be made a guru.' 'Nowadays kaayastha, vaishya, teli (oilman), and also kalavar (seller of spirits) are taking to wearing the colours of the sadhu (holy man) and are eagerly wishing to make shishya (disciples) of their own. Actually both this kind of guru and shishya (disciple) are to get their downfall. Actually this speech we are saying coincides with the shastras, it is not something of my own that I have made up.' At the time of the muslims, many Sadhus were molested by some fanatic fakirs of Islam who were unarmed. As Sadhus had to be Brahmanas at this time, who were disallowed to carry weapons, emporer Akbar suggested to allow other castes than Brahmins to enter the sannyas order, who were allowed to carry weapons to defend themselves. The Hindu community accepted the proposal in the 16th century, that of the ten suborders of Sannyasins, three must be preserverd to Brahmins, ie Ashrama, Tirtha and ... Saraswati (Guru Devs order), and the remaining seven for other castes. This custom has been observered since then in Northern India, which of course means that the Swamis (and Gurus) of 7 out of ten Dasanami orders are not (or not necessarily Brahmins). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?! You are arguing like some silly child from the kindergarten. I am not giving knowledge out to someone, who can't understand, or who's brain is to small, to use the meaning of my Name it speak it out Frank (ly)! Why are you here? The Name of our cherished group is: MAHARISHI_MAHESH_YOGI_Group from yahoo! You are polluting the dear sweet feeling of ours towards His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh (Who is in reality Shiva Incarnate, not only myself had that cognition), so watch out for your bad Karma, you are producing) Yogi! P.S. About your argument, that Maharishi is not a Guru: Not the birth in his specific caste/Varna determines a man caste, it is his inner state of developed consciousness, ´which shows to what class of people he or she belongs! Other concepts are wrongly interpreted Kali-Yuga like thoughts and do not belong to the Golden Age! This is the kind of rabid TBer who gives rabid TBers a bad name... That's funny, sparaig. I'm sure you'd even tell this guy to sit down and perhaps get checked! Actually, yeah. I recall once being on a bus talking to a Spansih (?) sidha-cutie about a video we'd both seen where MMY was ripping everyone a new one for putting on airs pretending to be Hindu and how that was detracting rom his success at spreading TM. We were comisserating with each other about how bliss-ninny the whole thing was getting (mid-80s) when a German-sounding fellow interupted us with I don't believe it. I asked, Which, that MMY was upset, or that he made a tape or what? And he said any of it--MMY would never say such things. She and I looked at each other and sighed... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on who and who cannot be a guru
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip You agree with Guru Dev that women and those of lower caste should not be gurus, Paul? By the classical definition, they CANNOT be gurus. Sorta like the classical prohibition against charging for instruction, I guess. Exactly like it. But MMY is not a guru in the traditional sense, and he doesn't charge for instruction. Whether or not these distinctions mean anything concerning his karmic burdens and all that, who can say? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?!
She and I looked at each other and sighed... Total buying signal! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: --- sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?! You are arguing like some silly child from the kindergarten. I am not giving knowledge out to someone, who can't understand, or who's brain is to small, to use the meaning of my Name it speak it out Frank (ly)! Why are you here? The Name of our cherished group is: MAHARISHI_MAHESH_YOGI_Group from yahoo! You are polluting the dear sweet feeling of ours towards His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh (Who is in reality Shiva Incarnate, not only myself had that cognition), so watch out for your bad Karma, you are producing) Yogi! P.S. About your argument, that Maharishi is not a Guru: Not the birth in his specific caste/Varna determines a man caste, it is his inner state of developed consciousness, ´which shows to what class of people he or she belongs! Other concepts are wrongly interpreted Kali-Yuga like thoughts and do not belong to the Golden Age! This is the kind of rabid TBer who gives rabid TBers a bad name... That's funny, sparaig. I'm sure you'd even tell this guy to sit down and perhaps get checked! Actually, yeah. I recall once being on a bus talking to a Spansih (?) sidha-cutie about a video we'd both seen where MMY was ripping everyone a new one for putting on airs pretending to be Hindu and how that was detracting rom his success at spreading TM. We were comisserating with each other about how bliss-ninny the whole thing was getting (mid-80s) when a German-sounding fellow interupted us with I don't believe it. I asked, Which, that MMY was upset, or that he made a tape or what? And he said any of it--MMY would never say such things. She and I looked at each other and sighed... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on who and who cannot be a guru
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip You agree with Guru Dev that women and those of lower caste should not be gurus, Paul? By the classical definition, they CANNOT be gurus. Sorta like the classical prohibition against charging for instruction, I guess. Exactly like it. But MMY is not a guru in the traditional sense, and he doesn't charge for instruction. Whaddya mean, he doesn't charge for instruction? Whether or not these distinctions mean anything concerning his karmic burdens and all that, who can say? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Remember WIMS on International Staff? Man, incarnate Nazis, no joke! No shit. Real master race types. Calling Herr Doktor Everhard! Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?!
Ba! (Actually, I told him I thought he was obsessed with gods, gurus and with his own self worth.) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Frank. Thank you for the lovely turd. I'm sure you feel better now and your bowels are flowing freely in the true dharma. FFL the toilet bowl of true believers! P.S. I still don't know what Paul said that was so awful. Whatever it was , it was a serious thought crime, that we know. --- Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?! You are arguing like some silly child from the kindergarten. I am not giving knowledge out to someone, who can't understand, or who's brain is to small, to use the meaning of my Name it speak it out Frank (ly)! Why are you here? The Name of our cherished group is: MAHARISHI_MAHESH_YOGI_Group from yahoo! You are polluting the dear sweet feeling of ours towards His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh (Who is in reality Shiva Incarnate, not only myself had that cognition), so watch out for your bad Karma, you are producing) Yogi! P.S. About your argument, that Maharishi is not a Guru: Not the birth in his specific caste/Varna determines a man caste, it is his inner state of developed consciousness, ´which shows to what class of people he or she belongs! Other concepts are wrongly interpreted Kali-Yuga like thoughts and do not belong to the Golden Age! It is more then waist of time, it will be stupid from my side to give you further on my attention. If someone discuses from the finishing class of the High-Scholl with a child, who just came into the first Class of elementary school. I want give you any more milk, because it is quiet dangerous to feed a snake with milk. Next time she will bide you .. So me, you are a reborn snake, like the people from the church, the today's presidents like your stupid Blair or the silly men from the wild bushes in Texas! I am fairly sure, that you are a spy! How much money you received from your silly government, writing such a stupid book? I told you, you are a wolf in disguise! There is saying: A saint can see (recognize) only a Saint! Fore me you are belonging to the asuric class. The birth never determents someone Vedic caste (heritage), it is his inner state of consciousness that shows up to which class that person belongs. You have not even lived an hour close to Maharishi and you dare to write about His personality!° Shame on you! I am not misusing my precious time any more on you! You are a so- called fault apple in Maharishis Movement, stay away from us! Now I have written enough about this silly thing and let it be and give it over to my sweet most cherished Lord Krishna, who was at an earlier Time Shri Râmachandra (Râma). All Glory to Guru Dewa All Glory to His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi All Glory to Maharishis dear Râm, the protector of Dharma, Cows Vedic Shishyas. Frank W. Lotz Author of a German Book on Maharishis Vedic Cooking Style the Art of Living in accord with the Veda. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on who and who cannot be a guru
Maharishi has made it clear that the path of gaining enlightenment through a guru-disciple relationship is completely different from the path of gaining enlightenment through practice of Transcendental Meditation: You see, to meditate and transcend and get to the Being and come out and with this practice bringing the mind out to the field of outer gross life is one way of achieving cosmic consciousness. The path of surrender is another way. The path of surrender starts by tuning the mind with the mind of the Master. Tuning the mind with the mind of the Master means: Whatever he likes, I begin to like. I begin to forgo my liking if he wants me to go that way, I go that way. And having gone halfway if he wants me to turn, I turn. And again he wants me to go that way, I go that way. If he wants to return I return. Nothing of my will everything His will. This is how by foregoing our own likings and disliking, adjusting our mind to the mind of the Master, that is picked up by the disciple, and that is the most important thing. If he asks to do this, you do this. If gone halfway, he wants us to stop, we stop. You don't feel in the least that `Oh, so much effort has been put and now he wants me to stop!' -- nothing like that. The way he turns, we turn, the way He likes, we like, the thing that He dislikes, we begin to dislike. This is how one begins to forego his liking and disliking and begins to tune his mind to the mind of his Master. In this line it is not the work that is important, it is the flow of His mind that is to be kept, and that is important. As the Master wants, so he moves, His likes and dislikes begin to become the likes and dislikes of the disciple. Like that he attunes his mind. When the mind of the disciple is completely tuned to the mind of the Master, then the thoughts of the Master become the thoughts of the disciple. The feelings of the Master become the feelings of the disciple and when that attunement is gained -- because the mind of the Master is cosmic consciousness -- the status of the mind of the disciple gets to that standard automatically. The relationship of the disciple and the Master is -- two bodies and one existence, two minds and one mind. Thus is how, because the natural state of the Master's mind is cosmic consciousness, the mind of the disciple is cultured to that state in a spontaneous, automatic manner. Maharishi Mahesh Yogi To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?!
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?! on 8/30/06 4:10 PM, geezerfreak at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Remember WIMS on International Staff? Man, incarnate Nazis, no joke! No shit. Real master race types. Calling Herr Doktor Everhard! He died years ago. Decades. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Fairfield's future
Fairfield's Future Over the past several years, I have engaged in countless conversations about the state of Fairfield and its prospects for the future. I have generally taken the position that Fairfield's best years are yet to come. A few years ago, most of the people I engaged on this topic were surprised by my position and only a few agreed. Within the past year, however, I would say that the majority agree: Fairfield's best years are yet to come. Fairfield has a unique mix of businesses and industries. The only weakness there is that the economic base is not currently strong enough to support more people who would like to be living here but can't afford it. Nevertheless, the infrastructure here is good and the local government is forward-looking, The entrepreneurial environment is outstanding. In what some would regard as a worst case scenario, we must consider the possibility that the university might tank. Although on one level that would be a loss, no one knows what might follow in its wake, including many fresh possibilities that none of us have considered. On the other hand, the university has shown some signs of life lately. Aside from the physical transformation of the campus, it has attracted some talented people. There are signs here and there of the tide finally turning. Too early to say how far this will go, but if the university has its own little renaissance, the rest of the community will benefit as well. It is my contention that either waywith or without a viable TM organizationFairfield will thrive. I admit there is a bit of a paradox here that is uncomfortable for some people to address. It is simply this: Without Maharishi this community would never have been created, and the opportunities and quality of life found here would never have come into existence. On the other, the days are long gone where one could legitimately say that Fairfield is Maharishi's town. It has evolved into something more complex and diverse, and in my view it is this evolutionary development toward diversity that gives the community its viability. The judgement that this diversity is damaging to the community is both an anachronism and a source of continuing bad feeling within the community. In fact, this judgement itself is perhaps the biggest single barrier to the community's progress, at least on the spiritual level. There are signs lately that this judgmentalism is softening within the university. Of course, there is no lack of judgments being held in the community south of the university, either. The difference is that the TMO has the capability to enforce some of its judgments, therefore signs of progress there bode well for all of us. This is why I am optimistic about the future of the community. One way or another, the most spiritually regressive aspects of the community consciousness will be purged. There is nothing especially magic or unexpected about this; when something goes as far as it can go in one direction, the pendulum, as they say, swings the other way. L B S To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?!
--- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: She and I looked at each other and sighed... Her eyes held a special siddha spark, that secret shakti of someone regularly on-the-program. The gentle scent of her pita-kapha body type ayurvedic soap suddenly flooded my nostrils and I thought, Purusha? What's that? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Fairfield's future
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fairfield's future Very well written. My thoughts exactly. on 8/30/06 4:56 PM, L B Shriver at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fairfield's Future Over the past several years, I have engaged in countless conversations about the state of Fairfield and its prospects for the future. I have generally taken the position that Fairfield's best years are yet to come. A few years ago, most of the people I engaged on this topic were surprised by my position and only a few agreed. Within the past year, however, I would say that the majority agree: Fairfield's best years are yet to come. Fairfield has a unique mix of businesses and industries. The only weakness there is that the economic base is not currently strong enough to support more people who would like to be living here but can't afford it. Nevertheless, the infrastructure here is good and the local government is forward-looking, The entrepreneurial environment is outstanding. In what some would regard as a worst case scenario, we must consider the possibility that the university might tank. Although on one level that would be a loss, no one knows what might follow in its wake, including many fresh possibilities that none of us have considered. On the other hand, the university has shown some signs of life lately. Aside from the physical transformation of the campus, it has attracted some talented people. There are signs here and there of the tide finally turning. Too early to say how far this will go, but if the university has its own little renaissance, the rest of the community will benefit as well. It is my contention that either waywith or without a viable TM organizationFairfield will thrive. I admit there is a bit of a paradox here that is uncomfortable for some people to address. It is simply this: Without Maharishi this community would never have been created, and the opportunities and quality of life found here would never have come into existence. On the other, the days are long gone where one could legitimately say that Fairfield is Maharishi's town. It has evolved into something more complex and diverse, and in my view it is this evolutionary development toward diversity that gives the community its viability. The judgement that this diversity is damaging to the community is both an anachronism and a source of continuing bad feeling within the community. In fact, this judgement itself is perhaps the biggest single barrier to the community's progress, at least on the spiritual level. There are signs lately that this judgmentalism is softening within the university. Of course, there is no lack of judgments being held in the community south of the university, either. The difference is that the TMO has the capability to enforce some of its judgments, therefore signs of progress there bode well for all of us. This is why I am optimistic about the future of the community. One way or another, the most spiritually regressive aspects of the community consciousness will be purged. There is nothing especially magic or unexpected about this; when something goes as far as it can go in one direction, the pendulum, as they say, swings the other way. L B S -- Rick Archer SearchSummit 1108 South B Street Fairfield, IA 52556 Phone: 641-472-9336 Fax: 815-572-5842 Skype: Rick_Archer http://searchsummit.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on who and who cannot be a guru
Thanks for the quote. Brilliant! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maharishi has made it clear that the path of gaining enlightenment through a guru-disciple relationship is completely different from the path of gaining enlightenment through practice of Transcendental Meditation: You see, to meditate and transcend and get to the Being and come out and with this practice bringing the mind out to the field of outer gross life is one way of achieving cosmic consciousness. The path of surrender is another way. The path of surrender starts by tuning the mind with the mind of the Master. Tuning the mind with the mind of the Master means: Whatever he likes, I begin to like. I begin to forgo my liking if he wants me to go that way, I go that way. And having gone halfway if he wants me to turn, I turn. And again he wants me to go that way, I go that way. If he wants to return I return. Nothing of my will everything His will. This is how by foregoing our own likings and disliking, adjusting our mind to the mind of the Master, that is picked up by the disciple, and that is the most important thing. If he asks to do this, you do this. If gone halfway, he wants us to stop, we stop. You don't feel in the least that `Oh, so much effort has been put and now he wants me to stop!' -- nothing like that. The way he turns, we turn, the way He likes, we like, the thing that He dislikes, we begin to dislike. This is how one begins to forego his liking and disliking and begins to tune his mind to the mind of his Master. In this line it is not the work that is important, it is the flow of His mind that is to be kept, and that is important. As the Master wants, so he moves, His likes and dislikes begin to become the likes and dislikes of the disciple. Like that he attunes his mind. When the mind of the disciple is completely tuned to the mind of the Master, then the thoughts of the Master become the thoughts of the disciple. The feelings of the Master become the feelings of the disciple and when that attunement is gained -- because the mind of the Master is cosmic consciousness -- the status of the mind of the disciple gets to that standard automatically. The relationship of the disciple and the Master is -- two bodies and one existence, two minds and one mind. Thus is how, because the natural state of the Master's mind is cosmic consciousness, the mind of the disciple is cultured to that state in a spontaneous, automatic manner. Maharishi Mahesh Yogi To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Taco Bell Canon, updated
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/30/06 9:07 AM, martyboi at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the movement people do it because it appears refined. For some it is real, for others it is a self conscious affectation (which is usually easy to spot). One thing I have noticed is that people who spend a lot of time together begin to sound similar and adopt the same affectations. All the surfer kids in my neck of the woods sound the same: Like, ya know what I mean, dude? It's totally rad! I think part of it is that they are Canadians. Jai Guru Dev, eh? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on who and who cannot be a guru
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip You agree with Guru Dev that women and those of lower caste should not be gurus, Paul? By the classical definition, they CANNOT be gurus. Sorta like the classical prohibition against charging for instruction, I guess. Exactly like it. But MMY is not a guru in the traditional sense, and he doesn't charge for instruction. Whaddya mean, he doesn't charge for instruction? His organziation charges for lifetime menbership in the organization. Whether or not these distinctions mean anything concerning his karmic burdens and all that, who can say? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: She and I looked at each other and sighed... Total buying signal! Did mention I was well-known for missing come get me signals from women? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: --- sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?! You are arguing like some silly child from the kindergarten. I am not giving knowledge out to someone, who can't understand, or who's brain is to small, to use the meaning of my Name it speak it out Frank (ly)! Why are you here? The Name of our cherished group is: MAHARISHI_MAHESH_YOGI_Group from yahoo! You are polluting the dear sweet feeling of ours towards His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh (Who is in reality Shiva Incarnate, not only myself had that cognition), so watch out for your bad Karma, you are producing) Yogi! P.S. About your argument, that Maharishi is not a Guru: Not the birth in his specific caste/Varna determines a man caste, it is his inner state of developed consciousness, ´which shows to what class of people he or she belongs! Other concepts are wrongly interpreted Kali-Yuga like thoughts and do not belong to the Golden Age! This is the kind of rabid TBer who gives rabid TBers a bad name... That's funny, sparaig. I'm sure you'd even tell this guy to sit down and perhaps get checked! Actually, yeah. I recall once being on a bus talking to a Spansih (?) sidha-cutie about a video we'd both seen where MMY was ripping everyone a new one for putting on airs pretending to be Hindu and how that was detracting rom his success at spreading TM. We were comisserating with each other about how bliss-ninny the whole thing was getting (mid-80s) when a German-sounding fellow interupted us with I don't believe it. I asked, Which, that MMY was upset, or that he made a tape or what? And he said any of it--MMY would never say such things. She and I looked at each other and sighed... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: She and I looked at each other and sighed... Her eyes held a special siddha spark, that secret shakti of someone regularly on-the-program. The gentle scent of her pita-kapha body type ayurvedic soap suddenly flooded my nostrils and I thought, Purusha? What's that? Was definitely non-celebate at that time... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on who and who cannot be a guru
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip You agree with Guru Dev that women and those of lower caste should not be gurus, Paul? By the classical definition, they CANNOT be gurus. Sorta like the classical prohibition against charging for instruction, I guess. Exactly like it. But MMY is not a guru in the traditional sense, and he doesn't charge for instruction. Whaddya mean, he doesn't charge for instruction? His organziation charges for lifetime menbership in the organization. Naah. There is no such thing as membership in the TMO. He charges for instruction and lifetime follow-up on that instruction. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Ultimate car commercial
This 1980s three-minute commercial for Isuzu, according to PC World's Steve Bass, was made without special effects or CGI. YouTube: http://tinyurl.com/zlx7z To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield's future
Comment below: *** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fairfield's Future Over the past several years, I have engaged in countless conversations about the state of Fairfield and its prospects for the future. I have generally taken the position that Fairfield's best years are yet to come. A few years ago, most of the people I engaged on this topic were surprised by my position and only a few agreed. Within the past year, however, I would say that the majority agree: Fairfield's best years are yet to come. Fairfield has a unique mix of businesses and industries. The only weakness there is that the economic base is not currently strong enough to support more people who would like to be living here but can't afford it. Nevertheless, the infrastructure here is good and the local government is forward-looking, The entrepreneurial environment is outstanding. In what some would regard as a worst case scenario, we must consider the possibility that the university might tank. Although on one level that would be a loss, no one knows what might follow in its wake, including many fresh possibilities that none of us have considered. On the other hand, the university has shown some signs of life lately. Aside from the physical transformation of the campus, it has attracted some talented people. There are signs here and there of the tide finally turning. Too early to say how far this will go, but if the university has its own little renaissance, the rest of the community will benefit as well. It is my contention that either waywith or without a viable TM organizationFairfield will thrive. I admit there is a bit of a paradox here that is uncomfortable for some people to address. It is simply this: Without Maharishi this community would never have been created, and the opportunities and quality of life found here would never have come into existence. On the other, the days are long gone where one could legitimately say that Fairfield is Maharishi's town. It has evolved into something more complex and diverse, and in my view it is this evolutionary development toward diversity that gives the community its viability. The judgement that this diversity is damaging to the community is both an anachronism and a source of continuing bad feeling within the community. In fact, this judgement itself is perhaps the biggest single barrier to the community's progress, at least on the spiritual level. There are signs lately that this judgmentalism is softening within the university. Of course, there is no lack of judgments being held in the community south of the university, either. The difference is that the TMO has the capability to enforce some of its judgments, therefore signs of progress there bode well for all of us. This is why I am optimistic about the future of the community. One way or another, the most spiritually regressive aspects of the community consciousness will be purged. There is nothing especially magic or unexpected about this; when something goes as far as it can go in one direction, the pendulum, as they say, swings the other way. L B S **END** Well expressed. Thanks. I only lived in Fairfield a total of a little over 4 years (over a couple of stints) and finally moved away after the Taste of Utopia course. I believe I had come back into town only once or twice after that and I hadn't been back for maybe 10 years before I visited again just last year. I was really pleased with how comfortable and real a place it felt to be. The total vibe was pleasant and substantial; kind of like an Ashland or Sedona. High and real. At this point, even without the university, I agree that Fairfield is likely to become even more charged and more mature. Perhaps even a place of pilgrimage. Thanks, again. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield's future
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At this point, even without the university, I agree that Fairfield is likely to become even more charged and more mature. Perhaps even a place of pilgrimage. Thanks, again. Yes, very nice and thotful posts, LBS and Marek. Evidently it has also already become a place of pilgrimage, even now too. It is a special place and very interesting to see who you might meet in the coffee shops who have come to look or just plain come back. Evidently for many good reasons it's also even now a retirement destination. -Doug in FF Comment below: *** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver l_b_shriver@ wrote: Fairfield's Future Over the past several years, I have engaged in countless conversations about the state of Fairfield and its prospects for the future. I have generally taken the position that Fairfield's best years are yet to come. A few years ago, most of the people I engaged on this topic were surprised by my position and only a few agreed. Within the past year, however, I would say that the majority agree: Fairfield's best years are yet to come. Fairfield has a unique mix of businesses and industries. The only weakness there is that the economic base is not currently strong enough to support more people who would like to be living here but can't afford it. Nevertheless, the infrastructure here is good and the local government is forward-looking, The entrepreneurial environment is outstanding. In what some would regard as a worst case scenario, we must consider the possibility that the university might tank. Although on one level that would be a loss, no one knows what might follow in its wake, including many fresh possibilities that none of us have considered. On the other hand, the university has shown some signs of life lately. Aside from the physical transformation of the campus, it has attracted some talented people. There are signs here and there of the tide finally turning. Too early to say how far this will go, but if the university has its own little renaissance, the rest of the community will benefit as well. It is my contention that either waywith or without a viable TM organizationFairfield will thrive. I admit there is a bit of a paradox here that is uncomfortable for some people to address. It is simply this: Without Maharishi this community would never have been created, and the opportunities and quality of life found here would never have come into existence. On the other, the days are long gone where one could legitimately say that Fairfield is Maharishi's town. It has evolved into something more complex and diverse, and in my view it is this evolutionary development toward diversity that gives the community its viability. The judgement that this diversity is damaging to the community is both an anachronism and a source of continuing bad feeling within the community. In fact, this judgement itself is perhaps the biggest single barrier to the community's progress, at least on the spiritual level. There are signs lately that this judgmentalism is softening within the university. Of course, there is no lack of judgments being held in the community south of the university, either. The difference is that the TMO has the capability to enforce some of its judgments, therefore signs of progress there bode well for all of us. This is why I am optimistic about the future of the community. One way or another, the most spiritually regressive aspects of the community consciousness will be purged. There is nothing especially magic or unexpected about this; when something goes as far as it can go in one direction, the pendulum, as they say, swings the other way. L B S **END** Well expressed. Thanks. I only lived in Fairfield a total of a little over 4 years (over a couple of stints) and finally moved away after the Taste of Utopia course. I believe I had come back into town only once or twice after that and I hadn't been back for maybe 10 years before I visited again just last year. I was really pleased with how comfortable and real a place it felt to be. The total vibe was pleasant and substantial; kind of like an Ashland or Sedona. High and real. At this point, even without the university, I agree that Fairfield is likely to become even more charged and more mature. Perhaps even a place of pilgrimage. Thanks, again. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield's future, the 'guidelines'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are signs lately that this judgmentalism is softening within the university. Of course, there is no lack of judgments being held in the community south of the university, either. The difference is that the TMO has the capability to enforce some of its judgments, therefore signs of progress there bode well for all of us. LBS, what you have had some heartfelt two-way conversation with them up there, but really what signs are there that have changed? If they administratively do not 'look the other way', the guidelines have not changed. The guidelines themselves have not changed. That is not very firm ground to go forward with them on with the meditating community. There has been no real ceasefire on their part. The enduring problem with them for the meditating community here is those 'guidelines'. Are you now colaberating with them up there on this a public relations ploy; have they not turned you to the dark side? Yes I agree with you that FF's best year's are to come. It is getting there. -Doug in FF Fairfield's Future Over the past several years, I have engaged in countless conversations about the state of Fairfield and its prospects for the future. I have generally taken the position that Fairfield's best years are yet to come. A few years ago, most of the people I engaged on this topic were surprised by my position and only a few agreed. Within the past year, however, I would say that the majority agree: Fairfield's best years are yet to come. Fairfield has a unique mix of businesses and industries. The only weakness there is that the economic base is not currently strong enough to support more people who would like to be living here but can't afford it. Nevertheless, the infrastructure here is good and the local government is forward-looking, The entrepreneurial environment is outstanding. In what some would regard as a worst case scenario, we must consider the possibility that the university might tank. Although on one level that would be a loss, no one knows what might follow in its wake, including many fresh possibilities that none of us have considered. On the other hand, the university has shown some signs of life lately. Aside from the physical transformation of the campus, it has attracted some talented people. There are signs here and there of the tide finally turning. Too early to say how far this will go, but if the university has its own little renaissance, the rest of the community will benefit as well. It is my contention that either waywith or without a viable TM organizationFairfield will thrive. I admit there is a bit of a paradox here that is uncomfortable for some people to address. It is simply this: Without Maharishi this community would never have been created, and the opportunities and quality of life found here would never have come into existence. On the other, the days are long gone where one could legitimately say that Fairfield is Maharishi's town. It has evolved into something more complex and diverse, and in my view it is this evolutionary development toward diversity that gives the community its viability. The judgement that this diversity is damaging to the community is both an anachronism and a source of continuing bad feeling within the community. In fact, this judgement itself is perhaps the biggest single barrier to the community's progress, at least on the spiritual level. There are signs lately that this judgmentalism is softening within the university. Of course, there is no lack of judgments being held in the community south of the university, either. The difference is that the TMO has the capability to enforce some of its judgments, therefore signs of progress there bode well for all of us. This is why I am optimistic about the future of the community. One way or another, the most spiritually regressive aspects of the community consciousness will be purged. There is nothing especially magic or unexpected about this; when something goes as far as it can go in one direction, the pendulum, as they say, swings the other way. L B S To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on who and who cannot be a guru
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the quote. Brilliant! *** This is a more complete rendition of that quote: The Guru-Disciple Relationship In this path of the Divine as it is the case in any other path of knowledge, the importance of the Master is the greatest. If you get a good Master, it takes you quickly, if not -- keep on going slowly, slowly and there is no end to it. The finding of a proper Master is all that an aspirant on the path of truth has to do -- just a proper Master, not only on the path of truth, even on the path of engineering or doctory (medicine) or psychology -- any of that -- the coming across a right Master, a right guide and almost the whole thing is done. Because, the finding of a Master means someone who tells you like that -- for the Divine is omnipresent. Omnipresent Divine, its nature blissful, so the bliss being omnipresent. How long a mind should take to get to it? Should not take long, but if you do not strike against the right Master, you keep on going round and round and round and you do not find anything. In this field, when we leave here and find a proper Master, we just surrender to him, all body and mind, one-pointed in consciousness remains the individuality of the Master. No looking here or there, just at his feet obedience and obeisance. I know what a surrender to a Master is, because I have been through that. Once the surrender is done the work of spiritual quest is done. It does not need anything more to be done. You see, to meditate and transcend and get to the Being and come out and with this practice bringing the mind out to the field of outer gross life is one way of achieving cosmic consciousness. The path of surrender is another way. The path of surrender starts by tuning the mind with the mind of the Master. Tuning the mind with the mind of the Master means: Whatever he likes, I begin to like. I begin to forgo my liking if he wants me to go that way, I go that way. And having gone halfway if he wants me to turn, I turn. And again he wants me to go that way, I go that way. If he wants to return I return. Nothing of my will everything His will. This is how by foregoing our own likings and disliking, adjusting our mind to the mind of the Master, that is picked up by the disciple, and that is the most important thing. If he asks to do this, you do this. If gone halfway, he wants us to stop, we stop. You don't feel in the least that `Oh, so much effort has been put and now he wants me to stop!' -- nothing like that. The way he turns, we turn, the way He likes, we like, the thing that He dislikes, we begin to dislike. This is how one begins to forego his liking and disliking and begins to tune his mind to the mind of his Master. In this line it is not the work that is important, it is the flow of His mind that is to be kept, and that is important. As the Master wants, so he moves, His likes and dislikes begin to become the likes and dislikes of the disciple. Like that he attunes his mind. When the mind of the disciple is completely tuned to the mind of the Master, then the thoughts of the Master become the thoughts of the disciple. The feelings of the Master become the feelings of the disciple and when that attunement is gained -- because the mind of the Master is cosmic consciousness -- the status of the mind of the disciple gets to that standard automatically. The relationship of the disciple and the Master is -- two bodies and one existence, two minds and one mind. Thus is how, because the natural state of the Master's mind is cosmic consciousness, the mind of the disciple is cultured to that state in a spontaneous, automatic manner. Maharishi Mahesh Yogi To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?!
I am confused. Who is calling Paul a wolf in disguise? The first several paragraphs are not attributed to anyone so at first glance it appears that Paul wrote it himself...but that doesn't make sense...so what's going on here? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?! You are arguing like some silly child from the kindergarten. I am not giving knowledge out to someone, who can't understand, or who's brain is to small, to use the meaning of my Name it speak it out Frank (ly)! Why are you here? The Name of our cherished group is: MAHARISHI_MAHESH_YOGI_Group from yahoo! You are polluting the dear sweet feeling of ours towards His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh (Who is in reality Shiva Incarnate, not only myself had that cognition), so watch out for your bad Karma, you are producing) Yogi! P.S. About your argument, that Maharishi is not a Guru: Not the birth in his specific caste/Varna determines a man caste, it is his inner state of developed consciousness, ´which shows to what class of people he or she belongs! Other concepts are wrongly interpreted Kali-Yuga like thoughts and do not belong to the Golden Age! It is more then waist of time, it will be stupid from my side to give you further on my attention. If someone discuses from the finishing class of the High-Scholl with a child, who just came into the first Class of elementary school. I want give you any more milk, because it is quiet dangerous to feed a snake with milk. Next time she will bide you .. So me, you are a reborn snake, like the people from the church, the today's presidents like your stupid Blair or the silly men from the wild bushes in Texas! I am fairly sure, that you are a spy! How much money you received from your silly government, writing such a stupid book? I told you, you are a wolf in disguise! There is saying: A saint can see (recognize) only a Saint! Fore me you are belonging to the asuric class. The birth never determents someone Vedic caste (heritage), it is his inner state of consciousness that shows up to which class that person belongs. You have not even lived an hour close to Maharishi and you dare to write about His personality!° Shame on you! I am not misusing my precious time any more on you! You are a so- called fault apple in Maharishis Movement, stay away from us! Now I have written enough about this silly thing and let it be and give it over to my sweet most cherished Lord Krishna, who was at an earlier Time Shri Râmachandra (Râma). All Glory to Guru Dewa All Glory to His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi All Glory to Maharishis dear Râm, the protector of Dharma, Cows Vedic Shishyas. Frank W. Lotz Author of a German Book on Maharishis Vedic Cooking Style the Art of Living in accord with the Veda. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on who and who cannot be a guru
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Guru Dev speaks about who and who cannot become gurus, and the following are translated extracts of satsang number 74 of 108, included in a collection of his teachings entitled 'Shri Shankaracharya UpadeshAmrita' 'There is no mention of women being gurus anywhere in the shastras. Women cannot be a guru. Gargim, Chudala, Sulabha etc. were women who had become yogis and possessed of self-knowledge. But it is not met with anywhere that they made their own disciples.' '...But not everyone can be a guru. Actually, only brahmans to be in the position of guru. In addition to brahmans, kshatriyas, vaishya, shudras can become shishya (disciples), but not guru. Women also have no right to be made a guru.' 'Nowadays kaayastha, vaishya, teli (oilman), and also kalavar (seller of spirits) are taking to wearing the colours of the sadhu (holy man) and are eagerly wishing to make shishya (disciples) of their own. Actually both this kind of guru and shishya (disciple) are to get their downfall. Actually this speech we are saying coincides with the shastras, it is not something of my own that I have made up.' Jai Guru Dev Paul You agree with Guru Dev that women and those of lower caste should not be gurus, Paul? This has been a rough 24 hours for Judy: 1) First she learned that she can't become enlightened because she's a girl; and 2) She can't be a guru because she's a girl. How much did your parents spend on that liberal arts college you went to? You know, the one where they taught you all that feminist shit about being equal? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Brief Commentary on Bob Dylan's Mississippi-Part 1
I play guitar some, but not in any particular style, just folk stuff, mostly fingerpicking. I'm trying to expand my repertoire and have picked up a Robert Johnson and Rev. Gary Davis book/cd. I've recently been exploring a lot of that old music prompted by reading Dylan's Chronicles last winter and wanting to hear some of the music he was referring to. I've heard some of those old blues guys over the years, of course, but really heard other people doing their stuff more than the originals. I really like the acoustic blues, all different styles. Anyhow, my local library led me to a treasure trove of old material from the 20's, some blues and some not, and I found myself fascinated, intrigued, and captivated. There's a great series called Times Ain't What They Used to Be on Yazoo Records. And one thing led to another. A lot of the material they release is pretty obscure. Some of these people, like Richard Rabbit Brown and Luke Jordan only ever recorded a few tracks. It was Richard Rabbit Brown that led me to Venerable Musica phenomenal sitewhere I found Luke Jordan and a pile of others on a three cd set. www.venerablemusic.com. They have an online radio station of old music and you can make requests. There's a box on the left that says Click here to tune in and that takes you to the playlist where you can select the player you want to use and it tells you what's playing, what's on deck and what's been played. You can make requests by clicking on the appropriate link. For a great Luke Jordan tune go to this link, scroll down to his name and the tune Won't You Be Kind, then click request. http://www.venerablemusic.com/samphpweb/playlist.php?start=1350limit=50letter=Lsearch= It seems to queue requests three or four songs in so you don't have too long to wait. Richard Rabbit Brown's terrific James Alley can be found the same way at this page: http://www.venerablemusic.com/samphpweb/playlist.php?start=550limit=100letter=Rsearch= I'm having a lot of fun listening to this material. Listening is one of the best ways to learn. I've never been all that disciplined about learning to play systematically; I more just pick things up and incorporate bits into what I do. I admire what you do, making a living busking. It takes dedication. Enjoyed the clips from your record site too. FairfieldLife relevancy check: Luke Jordan has a song titled Church Bells Blues which contains the line The low down dirty Deacon done stole my gal and gone, about the sexual exploits of a spiritual leader which is a favourite theme on FFL. :) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had never heard of Luke Jordan, thanks for turning me on to him. I have been searching on the Web and can find info but no examples of his music. I guess there are only 6 songs in circulation? If you have any links so I can hear him please let me know. from what I read Jordan is a Piedmont player. I am skewed towards the Delta guys, although I live in the Piedmont area where guys like John Jackson, and Archie Edwards played in that style. I got to see those guys before they died. For some reason the Piedmont style doesn't move me like the Delta stuff. Mississippi John Hurt was such a fixture in the folk revival I grew up in, but aside from appreciating what he does, I don't listen to or play that style. I dig the holy trinity of Charley Patton, Son House and Robert Johnson, and Booker White, Skip James, John Lee Hooker, Mississippi Fred Mcdowell, RL Burnside, Sonny Boy Williamson and Jack Owens among others. My favorite modern players are John Hammond and Rory Block. Do you play? You can hear samples of my music at www.cdbaby/curtisblues Thanks again for the tip on Luke Jordan. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Ye Olden Days!
After I read this: http://www.iep.utm.edu/b/bhartrihari.htm my Plain Vanilla tasted quite a lot like in Ye Olden Days. And siddhis were much more...hmmm... refined? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
