[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on how / when to meditate
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes Barry2, in this context that must be what he meant and I have ammended the translation to reflect this view: http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/upadesh.htm#Gurudevmeditation --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Paul Mason wrote: Guru Dev - Shankaracharya Swami Brahmanand Saraswati gives a few words about when and how to meditate. Translation by Paul Mason 31st August 2006 At daybreak and in the day do that fit puja and dhyaana etc, but at night before sleeping you should certainly do 10-15 minutes of japa of the 'ishhTa mantra kaa japa' and 'dhyaana' of the 'ishhTa muurti' That reminded me of YS I 39: yathaabhimata-dhyaanaad vaa (yathaa+abhimata: as desired) IMO, many translators seem to think that as desired refers to the method or style or whatever, of meditation. But according to Bhojadeva's comment on that suutra yathaabhimata refers to the object of meditation, whether outer or inner: yathaabhimatavastuni baahye candraadaavaabhyantare naaDiicakraadau vaa bhaavyamaane cetaH sthiriibhavati A desperate attemp at translation: By dwelling (??bhaavyamaane) on an as-desired-object (yathaabhimata- vastuni) [whether] outer (baahye) [like] Moon, etc (candraadau) or (vaa) inner (aabhyantare) [like] naaDiis or cakras, etc (naaDii- cakraadau) mind (cetaH) becomes firm [steady?] (sthiriibhavati). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Iowa: not as bad as bordering South Dakota
In examining behavior in 340 regions of the country, the survey found that 7 of the top 10 areas for under-age binge drinking defined as five or more drinks at a time were in Wyoming, Montana and North and South Dakota. At the other end of the scale, some of the lowest areas for under-age binge drinking were in the nation's most densely packed cities parts of Washington, D.C., Detroit and Los Angeles. An earlier federal study found that rural youths ages 12 and 13 were twice as likely as urban youths to abuse alcohol. With methamphetamine ravaging small towns, Wyoming and other rural states have also been fighting a persistent drug problem. http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/02/us/02binge.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: The thing that strikes me as a little odd is that without exception, the TMers I've met who believe that they can perceive or be in communication with something of Guru Dev's individual consciousness *also* believe, when you ask them about it, in Maharishi's dogma about what happens to an enlight- ened being when they die. You remember that dogma, right? It's the drop returns to the ocean rap, in which individuality is *over* when the enlightened being dies, kaput, toast, never to appear again. I don't recall hearing Maharishi ever talk about after death experience, so I am not familiar with that rap of his. In any case my personal belief is that the two states, live here, or live there (aka death) are pretty much the same- Same Stuff; Different Existence (to parapharase a popular expression...). It doesn't make any sense to me that what we call death should be strange and different. I mean, isn't life here strange and different enough?? Considering what you have said above about what Maharishi said about the death of enlightened beings, I think it is better for us to gain enlightenment ourselves and then better determine what the experience is, regardless of what Maharishi has said on the subject, or what we think he has said on the subject. So, in conclusion, I have not heard Maharishi say anything that contradicts my direct experience of Brahmananda Saraswati. I just think it's fascinating is all, and I look forward to what is inevitably going to happen after Maharishi himself dies. The *same* people who will claim that he was the hottest, most enlightened sage ever and that his theories were perfect and correct in every instance are going to start claiming that they're in communication with his individual spirit now that he's dead. The fact that one of his theories would have to be incorrect for this to happen is never going to occur to them... One of his theories that are incorrect that we don't have to wait until he dies in order to debunk is his claim that the CIA infiltrated the TMO. I'm still waiting for proof. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: I just think it's fascinating is all, and I look forward to what is inevitably going to happen after Maharishi himself dies. The *same* people who will claim that he was the hottest, most enlightened sage ever and that his theories were perfect and correct in every instance are going to start claiming that they're in communication with his individual spirit now that he's dead. The fact that one of his theories would have to be incorrect for this to happen is never going to occur to them... One of his theories that are incorrect that we don't have to wait until he dies in order to debunk is his claim that the CIA infiltrated the TMO. I'm still waiting for proof. Your desire for proof shows the weakness of your faith, Shemp. If you were a real student, you would accept whatever your teacher said as the absolute word of God. No dome badge for you. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Unfortunately, Barry can't deal with teachers who deal in contradictions and have different answers to life's questions, depending on the state of attention or POV that is in operation at the time. snicker cunt. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Unfortunately, Barry can't deal with teachers who deal in contradictions and have different answers to life's questions, depending on the state of attention or POV that is in operation at the time. snicker cunt. Now, now. :-) Alice is just acting and thinking the way she's been taught to act and think by her enlightened masters. Doncha know that intellectual consistency is only a good thing when you can accuse someone of not having it. :-) One can't believe impossible things. I daresay you haven't had much practice, said the queen. When I was your age I always did it for half-an-hour a day. Why, sometimes I've believed six impossible things before breakfast. -- Lewis Carroll To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield's future--MIU2
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: on 9/1/06 11:15 AM, jyouells2000 at jyouells@ wrote: That's not a good sign. What have they been doing with all the money they HAVEN'T been paying the faculty and staff? Who can say for sure? But the Shrivastavas are rumored to be living pretty well. $100,000 per year goes a long way in India. Yes, I know, you believe that they're siphoning money for their own use from all possible sources world-wide, and perhaps they are. But it takes a while to get a million dollar income if you can only siphon $100k at a time... Who says it's only $100K at a time. It depends on the size and number of the suitcases :- Or how the money is moved between banks. If you have ANY evidence of this, you should contact the IRS and Treasury Dept, not to mention the FBI. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on how / when to meditate
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Yes Barry2, in this context that must be what he meant and I have ammended the translation to reflect this view: http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/upadesh.htm#Gurudevmeditation --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Paul Mason wrote: Guru Dev - Shankaracharya Swami Brahmanand Saraswati gives a few words about when and how to meditate. Translation by Paul Mason 31st August 2006 At daybreak and in the day do that fit puja and dhyaana etc, but at night before sleeping you should certainly do 10-15 minutes of japa of the 'ishhTa mantra kaa japa' and 'dhyaana' of the 'ishhTa muurti' That reminded me of YS I 39: yathaabhimata-dhyaanaad vaa (yathaa+abhimata: as desired) IMO, many translators seem to think that as desired refers to the method or style or whatever, of meditation. But according to Bhojadeva's comment on that suutra yathaabhimata refers to the object of meditation, whether outer or inner: yathaabhimatavastuni baahye candraadaavaabhyantare naaDiicakraadau vaa bhaavyamaane cetaH sthiriibhavati A desperate attemp at translation: By dwelling (??bhaavyamaane) on an as-desired-object (yathaabhimata- vastuni) [whether] outer (baahye) [like] Moon, etc (candraadau) or (vaa) inner (aabhyantare) [like] naaDiis or cakras, etc (naaDii- cakraadau) mind (cetaH) becomes firm [steady?] (sthiriibhavati). An object that attracts your attention, making it effortless to turn inward. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] The True Believer
Excerpts from The True Believer, by Eric Hoffer, 1952 and other of his works. I'm posting them because they may be helpful in understanding why so many TM True Believers are so threatened by the existence of Fairfield Life and its credo (What is wanted is not the will to believe, but the wish to find out, which is the exact opposite.) Read through them and see if they don't remind you of a few people whose words you read here every week... The uncompromising attitude is more indicative of an inner uncertainty than a deep conviction. The implacable stand is directed more against the doubt within than the assailant without. A doctrine insulates the devout not only against the realities around them but also against their own selves. The fanatical believer is not conscious of his envy, malice, pettiness and dishonesty. There is a wall of words between his consciousness and his real self. Passionate hatred can give meaning and purpose to an empty life. Thus people haunted by the purposelessness of their lives try to find a new content not only by dedicating themselves to a holy cause but also by nursing a fanatical grievance. A mass movement offers them unlimited opportunities for both. The effectiveness of a doctrine does not come from its meaning but from its certitude. No doctrine however profound and sublime will be effective unless it is presented as the embodiment of the one and only truth. It must be the one word from which all things are and all things speak. Crude absurdities, trivial nonsense and sublime truths are equally potent in readying people for self-sacrifice if they are accepted as the sole, eternal truth. It is obvious, therefore, that in order to be effective a doctrine must not be understood, but has to be believed in. We can be absolutely certain only about things we do not understand. A doctrine that is understood is shorn of its strength. Once we understand a thing, it is as if it had originated in us. And, clearly, those who are asked to renounce the self and sacrifice it cannot see eternal certitude in anything that originates in that self. The fact that they understand a thing fully impairs its validity and certitude in their eyes. The devout are always urged to seek the absolute truth with their hearts and not their minds. It is the heart which is conscious of God, not the reason. [--Pascal] Rudolph Hess, when swearing in the entire Nazi party in 1934, exhorted his hearers: Do not seek Adolph Hitler with your brains; all of you will find him with the strength of your hearts. ... If a doctrine is not unintelligible, it has to be vague; and if neither unintelligible nor vague, it has to be unverifiable. One has to get to heaven or the distant future to determine the truth of an effective doctrine. When some part of a doctrine is relatively simple, there is a tendency among the faithful to complicate it and obscure it. Simple words are made pregnant with meaning and made to look like symbols in a secret message. There is thus an illiterate air about the most literate true believer. He seems to use words as if he were ignorant of their true meaning. Hence, too, his taste for quibbling, hairsplitting, and scholastic tortuousness. To know a person's religion we need not listen to his profession of faith but must find his brand of intolerance. The savior who wants to turn men into angels is as much a hater of human nature as the totalitarian despot who wants to turn them into puppets. The less justified a man is in claiming excellence for his own self, the more ready he is to claim all excellence for his nation, his religion, his race, or his holy cause. Take away hatred from some people, and you have men without faith. The opposite of the religious fanatic is not the fanatical atheist but the gentle cynic who cares not whether there is a god or not. The uncompromising attitude is more indicative of an inner uncertainty than a deep conviction. The implacable stand is directed more against the doubt within than the assailant without. Vehemence is the expression of a blind effort to support and uphold something that can never stand on its own...Whether it is our own meaningless self we are upholding, or some doctrine devoid of evidence, we can do it only in a frenzy of
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on how / when to meditate
Excerpts of speech made by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi (before he was known as such) in which he asked that Guru Dev's 'elevating discourses may reach the masses in every nook and corner of our country and abroad' - for full text go to http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/sources/text/Maheshspeech.htm The Statement issued by: BAL BRAHMACHARI SHRI MAHESH JI. 15th Oct., 1952 'His aim of life, if the life of a realised soul can be said to possess any such aim, is to broadcast the message of the Great Divine light that he has himself realised, the Light that is the Soul of all human beings. Having himself attained the pinnacle of Self development, he aims at transforming the worldly minded people into the Godly minded, and through his inner Divine touch to change the materialistic hearts of iron into spiritual hearts of gold.' 'Shri Shankaracharya Maharaj has clear insight into the mind and the thoughts of the modern age. His teaching and commendments are based on sound reasonings which are quite agreeable to any reasonable thinker. He is a great critic of prejudices and narrowmindedness arising out of irrational love of caste, creed, nationality or any ism. His life is a living proof of the Truth of the Vedas and Shastras. He has opened a new era of renaissance of True Religion. He extends his recognition to anything that is good in any religion. He is accessible to all. Everyone can enjoy and derive benefit from his holy Darshan and elevating discourses.' 'The great Saint of the Himalayas in coming in your midst and in the fitness of the great occasion, I appeal to your good sense to extend your valuable support so that his elevating discourses may reach the masses in every nook and corner of our country and abroad.' --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Paul Mason wrote: Guru Dev - Shankaracharya Swami Brahmanand Saraswati gives a few words about when and how to meditate. Translation by Paul Mason 31st August 2006 Paul, just how far do you think MMY would have gotten in teaching people around the world to meditate if he had been teaching a la Guru Dev? Or, what do you think would have happened if MMY had taught as he did, and these instructions from Guru Dev had been translated and made available through the TMO? How many TMers would have decided they were going to try it Guru Dev's way, and what would have been the result? Especially in the absence of Guru Dev's personal guidance? What was MMY going to say, No, no, don't do what Guru Dev instructed, do what I instruct? You keep suggesting that there's something sinister about MMY not promoting Guru Dev's actual teaching, but that's one of the silliest criticisms I've encountered. MMY obviously *didn't have a choice* if he wanted TM to be universally accepted--or even to *work*, for that matter. The context in which Guru Dev taught was just too different. I suppose MMY could have issued a carefully bowdlerized version of Guru Dev's lectures with all the sectarian Hinduism taken out. What would you have thought of that? What would have been left? Would that have been true to Guru Dev's intent? If you want to bash MMY for going global with TM instead of staying back in India and teaching a few people exactly what Guru Dev taught, ishtas and all--or for teaching anything in the first place-- fine. But if you don't disapprove of his wanting to make TM universal, you really don't have a leg to stand on in suggesting that he is dishonoring Guru Dev by not promoting his original teachings. That just makes no sense at all. At daybreak and in the day do that fit puja and dhyaana etc, but at night before sleeping you should certainly do 10-15 minutes of japa of the 'ishhTa mantra kaa japa' and 'dhyaana' of the 'ishhTa muurti' (desired form). From this 'upaasanaa' (sitting near / devout meditation) quick advancement occurs. In darkness you should sit with eye closed and do japa of the mantra, and in the same way with eye closed you should do dhyana of the ishhTa with the mind. Not on their whole body, you should look on the foot or on the mouth area of the head, seeing the full of compassion of our favourite ishhTa, looking infused with tenderness. The vision of the ishhTa becomes one's own desire. You should look not envisage the eye of the ishhTa to be closed. This manner of having seen the vision of the infusion of tenderness, doing dhyaana of the ishhTa in the heart, you should remain doing japa of the ishhTa mantra. From this, the image of the ishhTa will grow and provided that the mind gets strengthened and held with the ishhTa then in the end will stay in this condition. On the strength of this you should go across the ocean of samsaara. ['Shri Shankaracharya UpadeshAmrita'
[FairfieldLife] What Shiva Ma did wrong
Application Procedure for the Invicible America Course 1. When you walk in with your application, move immediately to the right. 2. Submit your application to the Course Nazi (http://members.aol.com/rynocub/soup.jpg), showing no enthusiasm at all. 3. Put your money on the counter and move to your left. 4. Take your acceptance and do not make any comments. Otherwise, NO DOME BADGE FOR YOU!!! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've had an active relationship with His Holiness for many many years. Is it out of the norm? Sure! Yes! Of course! Is it absolutely real? Sure! Yes! Of course! Should I deny it, or not speak about it, or doubt my direct perception for the last 25 years, just because those who haven't had such an experience cannot comprehend it, or doubt it? The same question must have confronted Maharishi, when he was equally inspired by visions of Guru Dev in 1955. With the slight difference, that he had known him (and his vibe) in body, and was very well in a position to judge the validity of his experience. Easy for anybody to dismiss this, take an old lecture of GD out of context. Besides that, we all know how often masters contradict themselves. Even Guru Dev could have changed his mind, once he had left his brahmanical body and his Shankaracharya position. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev
Guru Dev repeatedly said that he was not forwarding his own beliefs, but those of the Shastras that others should live by the Shastras, not by their own initiative. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: I've had an active relationship with His Holiness for many many years. Is it out of the norm? Sure! Yes! Of course! Is it absolutely real? Sure! Yes! Of course! Should I deny it, or not speak about it, or doubt my direct perception for the last 25 years, just because those who haven't had such an experience cannot comprehend it, or doubt it? The same question must have confronted Maharishi, when he was equally inspired by visions of Guru Dev in 1955. With the slight difference, that he had known him (and his vibe) in body, and was very well in a position to judge the validity of his experience. Easy for anybody to dismiss this, take an old lecture of GD out of context. Besides that, we all know how often masters contradict themselves. Even Guru Dev could have changed his mind, once he had left his brahmanical body and his Shankaracharya position. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guru Dev repeatedly said that he was not forwarding his own beliefs, but those of the Shastras that others should live by the Shastras, not by their own initiative. Yes, I believe so. But even the understanding of what the shastras are saying can vary. The Shastras at places contradict themselves. As you can see, there are even different practises in the Dasanami Sampradaya, which was founded by Shankara. Shankara himself stated in a famous poem, (not literally): 'He who knows this Brahman, he is my teacher, be he Brahmin or Chandala.' This is also Shastra. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: I've had an active relationship with His Holiness for many many years. Is it out of the norm? Sure! Yes! Of course! Is it absolutely real? Sure! Yes! Of course! Should I deny it, or not speak about it, or doubt my direct perception for the last 25 years, just because those who haven't had such an experience cannot comprehend it, or doubt it? The same question must have confronted Maharishi, when he was equally inspired by visions of Guru Dev in 1955. With the slight difference, that he had known him (and his vibe) in body, and was very well in a position to judge the validity of his experience. Easy for anybody to dismiss this, take an old lecture of GD out of context. Besides that, we all know how often masters contradict themselves. Even Guru Dev could have changed his mind, once he had left his brahmanical body and his Shankaracharya position. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev
And that is a major role of the Guru to settle such disputes over the meaning of the Shastras and clarify about apparent contradictions. Which is why they are supposed to be so-o-o-o learned, AND be in the light entirely. Incidentally I am not presenting my own view on this, but that which I have learned from the words of Guru Dev. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Guru Dev repeatedly said that he was not forwarding his own beliefs, but those of the Shastras that others should live by the Shastras, not by their own initiative. Yes, I believe so. But even the understanding of what the shastras are saying can vary. The Shastras at places contradict themselves. As you can see, there are even different practises in the Dasanami Sampradaya, which was founded by Shankara. Shankara himself stated in a famous poem, (not literally): 'He who knows this Brahman, he is my teacher, be he Brahmin or Chandala.' This is also Shastra. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: I've had an active relationship with His Holiness for many many years. Is it out of the norm? Sure! Yes! Of course! Is it absolutely real? Sure! Yes! Of course! Should I deny it, or not speak about it, or doubt my direct perception for the last 25 years, just because those who haven't had such an experience cannot comprehend it, or doubt it? The same question must have confronted Maharishi, when he was equally inspired by visions of Guru Dev in 1955. With the slight difference, that he had known him (and his vibe) in body, and was very well in a position to judge the validity of his experience. Easy for anybody to dismiss this, take an old lecture of GD out of context. Besides that, we all know how often masters contradict themselves. Even Guru Dev could have changed his mind, once he had left his brahmanical body and his Shankaracharya position. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: I've had an active relationship with His Holiness for many many years. Is it out of the norm? Sure! Yes! Of course! Is it absolutely real? Sure! Yes! Of course! Should I deny it, or not speak about it, or doubt my direct perception for the last 25 years, just because those who haven't had such an experience cannot comprehend it, or doubt it? The same question must have confronted Maharishi, when he was equally inspired by visions of Guru Dev in 1955. With the slight difference, that he had known him (and his vibe) in body, and was very well in a position to judge the validity of his experience. Easy for anybody to dismiss this, take an old lecture of GD out of context. Besides that, we all know how often masters contradict themselves. Even Guru Dev could have changed his mind, once he had left his brahmanical body and his Shankaracharya position. And besides that, :-) if I have such an experience and dismiss it because of something my teacher told me just doesn't happen in nature, I'm just a nobody. Whereas if I believe that what my teacher said was not true, and Just Another Guru Contradiction, I can believe in my experience, which allows me to be a lot more special than those who haven't had such an exper- ience and cannot comprehend it. :-) Just to clarify, I am *not* saying that everyone who has ever had a visionary experience was deluding themselves out of a desire to seem important and special. But that *IS* true about many people, and I think it's a good thing to keep in mind when evaluating their claims. In almost every case, the claims themselves cannot possibly be either verified or disproven. So my personal litmus test when dealing with such claims (*especially* claims of communicating with the dead teacher) is to watch the *overall* behavior of the person who is making the claim. Do they treat the experience they had matter-of-factly, as if it was no more important than any other experience they've had in their lives, or do they make it into A Really Big Thing, one that makes them unique and special? Do they use the experience itself as a mechanism for setting themselves up as some kind of expert or someone who is more capable of passing along the latest message from the dead teacher to others? Or as the next great teacher themselves? Just to clarify, I think Jim's handling his report- ing of his own subjective experiences fairly well. But I have seen other folks, in the Rama trip and others, who *definitely* used their visions of the now-dead teacher to set themselves up as the new teacher, and to develop a fanatical following who hovered around them waiting for the next message from the teacher. And often to pay them a great deal of money for delivering these messages. It is this last phenomenon I expect to happen a LOT in the TM movement when Maharishi finally dies. I expect there to be at least half a dozen folks who start hearing messages from Maharishi and that mini-cults will develop around each of them. On the one hand (as a sociological phenomenon) it'll be fun and fascinating to watch. On the other hand (as an exercise in mind control and charlatanry) it's IMO likely to get really ugly. Then again, maybe I'll be surprised and no one will start claiming to be in almost daily communi- cation with Maharishi after he dies. Yeah, right...like *that's* gonna happen... :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Men only?
What is the longest time youse have stayed /uurdhva-retas/(brahmacharin)? Does it become easier after a couple of weeks or so? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev
Okay, it is time for me to own up. I have sensed Guru Dev behind my research work since way way back, whether it be wandering in the jungle chatting with swamis or trawling the internet or puzzling over the meaning of a rarely used Sanskrit word. I guess I am an unlikely conduit for his teachings, but as far as I am concerned, I work on his behalf. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: I've had an active relationship with His Holiness for many many years. Is it out of the norm? Sure! Yes! Of course! Is it absolutely real? Sure! Yes! Of course! Should I deny it, or not speak about it, or doubt my direct perception for the last 25 years, just because those who haven't had such an experience cannot comprehend it, or doubt it? The same question must have confronted Maharishi, when he was equally inspired by visions of Guru Dev in 1955. With the slight difference, that he had known him (and his vibe) in body, and was very well in a position to judge the validity of his experience. Easy for anybody to dismiss this, take an old lecture of GD out of context. Besides that, we all know how often masters contradict themselves. Even Guru Dev could have changed his mind, once he had left his brahmanical body and his Shankaracharya position. And besides that, :-) if I have such an experience and dismiss it because of something my teacher told me just doesn't happen in nature, I'm just a nobody. Whereas if I believe that what my teacher said was not true, and Just Another Guru Contradiction, I can believe in my experience, which allows me to be a lot more special than those who haven't had such an exper- ience and cannot comprehend it. :-) Just to clarify, I am *not* saying that everyone who has ever had a visionary experience was deluding themselves out of a desire to seem important and special. But that *IS* true about many people, and I think it's a good thing to keep in mind when evaluating their claims. In almost every case, the claims themselves cannot possibly be either verified or disproven. So my personal litmus test when dealing with such claims (*especially* claims of communicating with the dead teacher) is to watch the *overall* behavior of the person who is making the claim. Do they treat the experience they had matter-of-factly, as if it was no more important than any other experience they've had in their lives, or do they make it into A Really Big Thing, one that makes them unique and special? Do they use the experience itself as a mechanism for setting themselves up as some kind of expert or someone who is more capable of passing along the latest message from the dead teacher to others? Or as the next great teacher themselves? Just to clarify, I think Jim's handling his report- ing of his own subjective experiences fairly well. But I have seen other folks, in the Rama trip and others, who *definitely* used their visions of the now-dead teacher to set themselves up as the new teacher, and to develop a fanatical following who hovered around them waiting for the next message from the teacher. And often to pay them a great deal of money for delivering these messages. It is this last phenomenon I expect to happen a LOT in the TM movement when Maharishi finally dies. I expect there to be at least half a dozen folks who start hearing messages from Maharishi and that mini-cults will develop around each of them. On the one hand (as a sociological phenomenon) it'll be fun and fascinating to watch. On the other hand (as an exercise in mind control and charlatanry) it's IMO likely to get really ugly. Then again, maybe I'll be surprised and no one will start claiming to be in almost daily communi- cation with Maharishi after he dies. Yeah, right...like *that's* gonna happen... :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay, it is time for me to own up. I have sensed Guru Dev behind my research work since way way back, whether it be wandering in the jungle chatting with swamis or trawling the internet or puzzling over the meaning of a rarely used Sanskrit word. I guess I am an unlikely conduit for his teachings, but as far as I am concerned, I work on his behalf. You are doing a great job. I have learned a lot from the quotations of Guru Dev. Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: I've had an active relationship with His Holiness for many many years. Is it out of the norm? Sure! Yes! Of course! Is it absolutely real? Sure! Yes! Of course! Should I deny it, or not speak about it, or doubt my direct perception for the last 25 years, just because those who haven't had such an experience cannot comprehend it, or doubt it? The same question must have confronted Maharishi, when he was equally inspired by visions of Guru Dev in 1955. With the slight difference, that he had known him (and his vibe) in body, and was very well in a position to judge the validity of his experience. Easy for anybody to dismiss this, take an old lecture of GD out of context. Besides that, we all know how often masters contradict themselves. Even Guru Dev could have changed his mind, once he had left his brahmanical body and his Shankaracharya position. And besides that, :-) if I have such an experience and dismiss it because of something my teacher told me just doesn't happen in nature, I'm just a nobody. Whereas if I believe that what my teacher said was not true, and Just Another Guru Contradiction, I can believe in my experience, which allows me to be a lot more special than those who haven't had such an exper- ience and cannot comprehend it. :-) Just to clarify, I am *not* saying that everyone who has ever had a visionary experience was deluding themselves out of a desire to seem important and special. But that *IS* true about many people, and I think it's a good thing to keep in mind when evaluating their claims. In almost every case, the claims themselves cannot possibly be either verified or disproven. So my personal litmus test when dealing with such claims (*especially* claims of communicating with the dead teacher) is to watch the *overall* behavior of the person who is making the claim. Do they treat the experience they had matter-of-factly, as if it was no more important than any other experience they've had in their lives, or do they make it into A Really Big Thing, one that makes them unique and special? Do they use the experience itself as a mechanism for setting themselves up as some kind of expert or someone who is more capable of passing along the latest message from the dead teacher to others? Or as the next great teacher themselves? Just to clarify, I think Jim's handling his report- ing of his own subjective experiences fairly well. But I have seen other folks, in the Rama trip and others, who *definitely* used their visions of the now-dead teacher to set themselves up as the new teacher, and to develop a fanatical following who hovered around them waiting for the next message from the teacher. And often to pay them a great deal of money for delivering these messages. It is this last phenomenon I expect to happen a LOT in the TM movement when Maharishi finally dies. I expect there to be at least half a dozen folks who start hearing messages from Maharishi and that mini-cults will develop around each of them. On the one hand (as a sociological phenomenon) it'll be fun and fascinating to watch. On the other hand (as an exercise in mind control and charlatanry) it's IMO likely to get really ugly. Then again, maybe I'll be surprised and no one will start claiming to be in almost daily communi- cation with Maharishi after he dies. Yeah, right...like *that's* gonna happen... :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Unfortunately, Barry can't deal with teachers who deal in contradictions and have different answers to life's questions, depending on the state of attention or POV that is in operation at the time. snicker cunt. belly laugh I'm a cunt? What does that make Barry? (HINT: The above is a quote from one of Barry's attacks on me. Only the name has been changed.) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay, it is time for me to own up. I have sensed Guru Dev behind my research work since way way back, whether it be wandering in the jungle chatting with swamis or trawling the internet or puzzling over the meaning of a rarely used Sanskrit word. I guess I am an unlikely conduit for his teachings, but as far as I am concerned, I work on his behalf. I'm sure it is. You are doing good work. You are on a mission from God. ;-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And that is a major role of the Guru to settle such disputes over the meaning of the Shastras and clarify about apparent contradictions. Which is why they are supposed to be so-o-o-o learned, AND be in the light entirely. Incidentally I am not presenting my own view on this, but that which I have learned from the words of Guru Dev. Then who is a Brahmana in Guru Devs words? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Unfortunately, Barry can't deal with teachers who deal in contradictions and have different answers to life's questions, depending on the state of attention or POV that is in operation at the time. snicker cunt. Now, now. :-) Alice is just acting and thinking the way she's been taught to act and think by her enlightened masters. Doncha know that intellectual consistency is only a good thing when you can accuse someone of not having it. :-) Anyone who has ever thought Barry had something of significance to say should contemplate the above exchange. The quote at the top is of one of Barry's attacks on me, with only the name changed. The context of my quote was Barry's accusation that MMY has contradicted himself about the survival of the individual consciousness after death and the prediction that TBs will overlook the contradiction if they experience MMY after MMY dies. (Barry, I'm sure, will be the first to acknowledge that he has nothing of significance to say. He's been remarkably consistent about that whenever it's been pointed out to him that what he says makes no sense. So perhaps we should all take that to heart when reading Barry's posts here.) One can't believe impossible things. I daresay you haven't had much practice, said the queen. When I was your age I always did it for half-an-hour a day. Why, sometimes I've believed six impossible things before breakfast. -- Lewis Carroll To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev
I anticipated the need to present Guru Dev's views on caste and soforth and I am right now working up a translation, should be ready in about half hour or so. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: And that is a major role of the Guru to settle such disputes over the meaning of the Shastras and clarify about apparent contradictions. Which is why they are supposed to be so-o-o-o learned, AND be in the light entirely. Incidentally I am not presenting my own view on this, but that which I have learned from the words of Guru Dev. Then who is a Brahmana in Guru Devs words? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In almost every case, the claims themselves cannot possibly be either verified or disproven. So my personal litmus test when dealing with such claims (*especially* claims of communicating with the dead teacher) is to watch the *overall* behavior of the person who is making the claim. Fair enough, thats what everybody should do. You can also see if what he teaches has any positive effect on you. You can also observe, if there is any 'transmission', e.g. when you do puja at initiation. It will never be settled, and there will always be different opinions about it, but in as far as I am concerned, this is the nature of all religious experience. Some may connect to this particular stream of experience, and some won't. Do they treat the experience they had matter-of-factly, as if it was no more important than any other experience they've had in their lives, or do they make it into A Really Big Thing, one that makes them unique and special? But, matter-of-factly, you can never make such a rule. Some experience simply do have a bigger effect on your life than others. You should know this. So why deny this and pretend it wasn't so? snip But I have seen other folks, in the Rama trip and others, who *definitely* used their visions of the now-dead teacher to set themselves up as the new teacher, and to develop a fanatical following who hovered around them waiting for the next message from the teacher. And often to pay them a great deal of money for delivering these messages. I know what you mean. This even happens with living teachers, who don't talk a lot, or are fairly inaccessable. There are people who channel e.g. Sai Baba. But these people have never been really close to the teacher, they didn't live with him the everyday life. It is this last phenomenon I expect to happen a LOT in the TM movement when Maharishi finally dies. I expect there to be at least half a dozen folks who start hearing messages from Maharishi and that mini-cults will develop around each of them. I certainly believe things like this will happen, if they are not already happening now. For me, I am personally not concerned, I am not involved in TM, so why would I care? I know a lot of Gurus, who claim to have been initiated by Babaji. I can only see them and see how I feel in their vicinity. In the case of TM, if lets say, Nandikishore would come forth and say he is in inner contact with Maharishi, I'm more tempted to believe him, than say xyz-'nobody' - even though in both cases I cannot know. As I see it now, the TM as a practise, stands very much on its own feet, it doesn't need the authority of Guru Dev, who is known to the people in the west only through Maharishi. In the case of your ex-Guru Rama, people channeling him were doing so on an established authority within the community, which they were using to give messages. Maharishi OTOH didn't give messages from Guru Dev to people. That's a big difference. He took GD's advice for himself, and simply traces himself to the tradition of his master whom he served for more than 13 years. Can you see the difference at all? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The True Believer
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Excerpts from The True Believer, by Eric Hoffer, 1952 and other of his works. I'm posting them because they may be helpful in understanding why so many TM True Believers are so threatened by the existence of Fairfield Life and its credo (What is wanted is not the will to believe, but the wish to find out, which is the exact opposite.) Read through them and see if they don't remind you of a few people whose words you read here every week... Barry is responding to this from me: Anyone familiar with Hoffer's work knows that his 'True Believer' label is *ludicrously* inapplicable to most of those to whom Barry attempts to apply it here. Thanks to Barry for providing quotes from Hoffer to document my assertion. The uncompromising attitude is more indicative of an inner uncertainty than a deep conviction. The implacable stand is directed more against the doubt within than the assailant without. A doctrine insulates the devout not only against the realities around them but also against their own selves. The fanatical believer is not conscious of his envy, malice, pettiness and dishonesty. There is a wall of words between his consciousness and his real self. Passionate hatred can give meaning and purpose to an empty life. Thus people haunted by the purposelessness of their lives try to find a new content not only by dedicating themselves to a holy cause but also by nursing a fanatical grievance. A mass movement offers them unlimited opportunities for both. The effectiveness of a doctrine does not come from its meaning but from its certitude. No doctrine however profound and sublime will be effective unless it is presented as the embodiment of the one and only truth. It must be the one word from which all things are and all things speak. Crude absurdities, trivial nonsense and sublime truths are equally potent in readying people for self-sacrifice if they are accepted as the sole, eternal truth. It is obvious, therefore, that in order to be effective a doctrine must not be understood, but has to be believed in. We can be absolutely certain only about things we do not understand. A doctrine that is understood is shorn of its strength. Once we understand a thing, it is as if it had originated in us. And, clearly, those who are asked to renounce the self and sacrifice it cannot see eternal certitude in anything that originates in that self. The fact that they understand a thing fully impairs its validity and certitude in their eyes. The devout are always urged to seek the absolute truth with their hearts and not their minds. It is the heart which is conscious of God, not the reason. [--Pascal] Rudolph Hess, when swearing in the entire Nazi party in 1934, exhorted his hearers: Do not seek Adolph Hitler with your brains; all of you will find him with the strength of your hearts. ... If a doctrine is not unintelligible, it has to be vague; and if neither unintelligible nor vague, it has to be unverifiable. One has to get to heaven or the distant future to determine the truth of an effective doctrine. When some part of a doctrine is relatively simple, there is a tendency among the faithful to complicate it and obscure it. Simple words are made pregnant with meaning and made to look like symbols in a secret message. There is thus an illiterate air about the most literate true believer. He seems to use words as if he were ignorant of their true meaning. Hence, too, his taste for quibbling, hairsplitting, and scholastic tortuousness. To know a person's religion we need not listen to his profession of faith but must find his brand of intolerance. The savior who wants to turn men into angels is as much a hater of human nature as the totalitarian despot who wants to turn them into puppets. The less justified a man is in claiming excellence for his own self, the more ready he is to claim all excellence for his nation, his religion, his race, or his holy cause. Take away hatred from some people, and you have men without faith. The opposite of the religious fanatic is not the fanatical atheist but the gentle cynic who cares not whether there is a god or not. The uncompromising
[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay, it is time for me to own up. I have sensed Guru Dev behind my research work since way way back, whether it be wandering in the jungle chatting with swamis or trawling the internet or puzzling over the meaning of a rarely used Sanskrit word. I guess I am an unlikely conduit for his teachings, but as far as I am concerned, I work on his behalf. Are you claiming that Guru Dev wants you to denigrate Maharishi, Paul? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on how / when to meditate
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Excerpts of speech made by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi (before he was known as such) in which he asked that Guru Dev's 'elevating discourses may reach the masses in every nook and corner of our country and abroad' - for full text go to http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/sources/text/Maheshspeech.htm As Paul notes, MMY was speaking (to devout Hindus) before he had conceived the idea of a nonsectarian meditation technique for the masses. Your oft-repeated insinuation that MMY was trying to hide Guru Dev's teaching because it would reflect poorly on himself still doesn't wash, Paul. MMY has *always* taught the nonsectarian elements of what Guru Dev taught. What he *could not* do was to teach what Guru Dev taught about meditation if he wanted TM to be universally accepted, which is what I was pointing out in the post you quote. Nor could he even have made it available, for the reasons I explained (and which you have not challenged). Can you find a recorded or transcribed talk of Guru Dev--about meditation or anything else--that has no sectarian elements, that would be universally acceptable, even to those who do not believe in God? The Statement issued by: BAL BRAHMACHARI SHRI MAHESH JI. 15th Oct., 1952 'His aim of life, if the life of a realised soul can be said to possess any such aim, is to broadcast the message of the Great Divine light that he has himself realised, the Light that is the Soul of all human beings. Having himself attained the pinnacle of Self development, he aims at transforming the worldly minded people into the Godly minded, and through his inner Divine touch to change the materialistic hearts of iron into spiritual hearts of gold.' 'Shri Shankaracharya Maharaj has clear insight into the mind and the thoughts of the modern age. His teaching and commendments are based on sound reasonings which are quite agreeable to any reasonable thinker. He is a great critic of prejudices and narrowmindedness arising out of irrational love of caste, creed, nationality or any ism. His life is a living proof of the Truth of the Vedas and Shastras. He has opened a new era of renaissance of True Religion. He extends his recognition to anything that is good in any religion. He is accessible to all. Everyone can enjoy and derive benefit from his holy Darshan and elevating discourses.' 'The great Saint of the Himalayas in coming in your midst and in the fitness of the great occasion, I appeal to your good sense to extend your valuable support so that his elevating discourses may reach the masses in every nook and corner of our country and abroad.' --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Paul Mason wrote: Guru Dev - Shankaracharya Swami Brahmanand Saraswati gives a few words about when and how to meditate. Translation by Paul Mason 31st August 2006 Paul, just how far do you think MMY would have gotten in teaching people around the world to meditate if he had been teaching a la Guru Dev? Or, what do you think would have happened if MMY had taught as he did, and these instructions from Guru Dev had been translated and made available through the TMO? How many TMers would have decided they were going to try it Guru Dev's way, and what would have been the result? Especially in the absence of Guru Dev's personal guidance? What was MMY going to say, No, no, don't do what Guru Dev instructed, do what I instruct? You keep suggesting that there's something sinister about MMY not promoting Guru Dev's actual teaching, but that's one of the silliest criticisms I've encountered. MMY obviously *didn't have a choice* if he wanted TM to be universally accepted--or even to *work*, for that matter. The context in which Guru Dev taught was just too different. I suppose MMY could have issued a carefully bowdlerized version of Guru Dev's lectures with all the sectarian Hinduism taken out. What would you have thought of that? What would have been left? Would that have been true to Guru Dev's intent? If you want to bash MMY for going global with TM instead of staying back in India and teaching a few people exactly what Guru Dev taught, ishtas and all--or for teaching anything in the first place-- fine. But if you don't disapprove of his wanting to make TM universal, you really don't have a leg to stand on in suggesting that he is dishonoring Guru Dev by not promoting his original teachings. That just makes no sense at all. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to:
[FairfieldLife] Re: The True Believer
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Excerpts from The True Believer, by Eric Hoffer, 1952 and other of his works. I'm posting them because they may be helpful in understanding why so many TM True Believers are so threatened by the existence of Fairfield Life and its credo (What is wanted is not the will to believe, but the wish to find out, which is the exact opposite.) Read through them and see if they don't remind you of a few people whose words you read here every week... P.S.: The TBs who are threatened by FFL and its credo and who do not wish to find out are very unlikely to be among the regular participants here. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the case of your ex-Guru Rama, people channeling him were doing so on an established authority within the community, which they were using to give messages. Michael, you should stick to what you actually know something about. When you try to make things up, they usually *sound* made up. :-) There IS no established authority within the Rama community. He failed to leave one. He just croaked himself and left nothing behind but a foundation to give away what was left of his money and a buncha students who didn't know what to do next. So anybody who felt like carrying on his work did so on their own, without any kind of authority or organization backing them whatsoever. Some did so cleanly in my opinion, limiting themselves to teaching the only thing they were qualified to teach, basic meditation, and doing so for free. A few others set themselves up as gurus, and some of them claimed direct communication from Rama to do so. Since there are suckers everywhere, a few of those suckers fell for this routine for short periods of time. Now, a few years later, none of these poseurs have any followers left any more. It became evident very quickly that they couldn't walk their talk. Maharishi OTOH didn't give messages from Guru Dev to people. That's a big difference. True. He took GD's advice for himself... Uh, excuse me...it seems to me that Maharishi did the *opposite* of taking Guru Dev's advice. According to witnesses, that advice, given directly to Maharishi in public while Guru Dev was alive, was that he should *not* teach. Yet within a few years of Guru Dev's death, there he was teaching. That doesn't strike me as following one's teacher's advice. ...and simply traces himself to the tradition of his master whom he served for more than 13 years. And within whose tradition he would never have been allowed to teach. Never. Can you see the difference at all? Sure. Totally different situation in some ways, but similar in other ways. Maharishi rode to short-lived fame in India on the coattails of a famous teacher and then later to short-lived fame in the West by riding on the coattails of some famous musicians. The Rama poseurs rode to even shorter-lived fame on the coattails of the teacher they worked with for a few years (in some cases, longer than MMY spent with GD). I'm really not making a case for Maharishi being as much of a charlatan as some of these poseurs were. MMY accomplished a few good things in his time, and as far as I can tell, the poseurs didn't. But Maharishi *did* get famous initially by riding on his teacher's coattails, and has consistently ever since tried to give the impression that he had Guru Dev's blessing to go into the teaching biz. As far as I can tell, this claim is not true. But all this is moot. Ya meet one of the people making these kinds of claims, whether they are for real or simply spiritual poseurs, and ya makes yer decision whether to believe them or not. And then ya lives with it. No one on earth will ever be able to prove whether ya made a good decision or a bad one. My personal feeling is that the more one feels that they have to justify their decision to others, the greater chance there is that it was a bad one. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip My personal feeling is that the more one feels that they have to justify their decision to others, the greater chance there is that it was a bad one. But heaven help you if you wonder aloud in Barry's hearing whether this is why some people who decided to quit TM subsequently hang out on TM-related groups for over a decade relentlessly putting down MMY and the TMO and TMers. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Guru Dev on varnas (castes)
Thank you paul. that is amazingly cool! --- Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guru Dev on Varnas (castes) http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/upadesh.htm#varnoM Guru Dev quotes from 'Bhaja Govindam' of which there is a recording of Guru Dev singing:- http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/sources/mp3s/Bhaja%20Govindam.mp3 To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on how / when to meditate
Great find Paul! It also contains the first money shot for MMY. We can see where her perfected his formula. 'The great Saint of the Himalayas in coming in your midst and in the fitness of the great occasion, I appeal to your good sense to extend your valuable support so that his elevating discourses may reach the masses in every nook and corner of our country and abroad.' --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Excerpts of speech made by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi (before he was known as such) in which he asked that Guru Dev's 'elevating discourses may reach the masses in every nook and corner of our country and abroad' - for full text go to http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/sources/text/Maheshspeech.htm The Statement issued by: BAL BRAHMACHARI SHRI MAHESH JI. 15th Oct., 1952 'His aim of life, if the life of a realised soul can be said to possess any such aim, is to broadcast the message of the Great Divine light that he has himself realised, the Light that is the Soul of all human beings. Having himself attained the pinnacle of Self development, he aims at transforming the worldly minded people into the Godly minded, and through his inner Divine touch to change the materialistic hearts of iron into spiritual hearts of gold.' 'Shri Shankaracharya Maharaj has clear insight into the mind and the thoughts of the modern age. His teaching and commendments are based on sound reasonings which are quite agreeable to any reasonable thinker. He is a great critic of prejudices and narrowmindedness arising out of irrational love of caste, creed, nationality or any ism. His life is a living proof of the Truth of the Vedas and Shastras. He has opened a new era of renaissance of True Religion. He extends his recognition to anything that is good in any religion. He is accessible to all. Everyone can enjoy and derive benefit from his holy Darshan and elevating discourses.' 'The great Saint of the Himalayas in coming in your midst and in the fitness of the great occasion, I appeal to your good sense to extend your valuable support so that his elevating discourses may reach the masses in every nook and corner of our country and abroad.' --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Paul Mason wrote: Guru Dev - Shankaracharya Swami Brahmanand Saraswati gives a few words about when and how to meditate. Translation by Paul Mason 31st August 2006 Paul, just how far do you think MMY would have gotten in teaching people around the world to meditate if he had been teaching a la Guru Dev? Or, what do you think would have happened if MMY had taught as he did, and these instructions from Guru Dev had been translated and made available through the TMO? How many TMers would have decided they were going to try it Guru Dev's way, and what would have been the result? Especially in the absence of Guru Dev's personal guidance? What was MMY going to say, No, no, don't do what Guru Dev instructed, do what I instruct? You keep suggesting that there's something sinister about MMY not promoting Guru Dev's actual teaching, but that's one of the silliest criticisms I've encountered. MMY obviously *didn't have a choice* if he wanted TM to be universally accepted--or even to *work*, for that matter. The context in which Guru Dev taught was just too different. I suppose MMY could have issued a carefully bowdlerized version of Guru Dev's lectures with all the sectarian Hinduism taken out. What would you have thought of that? What would have been left? Would that have been true to Guru Dev's intent? If you want to bash MMY for going global with TM instead of staying back in India and teaching a few people exactly what Guru Dev taught, ishtas and all--or for teaching anything in the first place-- fine. But if you don't disapprove of his wanting to make TM universal, you really don't have a leg to stand on in suggesting that he is dishonoring Guru Dev by not promoting his original teachings. That just makes no sense at all. At daybreak and in the day do that fit puja and dhyaana etc, but at night before sleeping you should certainly do 10-15 minutes of japa of the 'ishhTa mantra kaa japa' and 'dhyaana' of the 'ishhTa muurti' (desired form). From this 'upaasanaa' (sitting near / devout meditation) quick advancement occurs. In darkness you should sit with eye closed and do japa of the mantra, and in the same way with eye closed you should do dhyana of the ishhTa with the mind. Not on their whole body, you should look on the foot or on the mouth area of the head, seeing the full of compassion of our favourite ishhTa, looking infused with tenderness. The vision of the
[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Unfortunately, Barry can't deal with teachers who deal in contradictions and have different answers to life's questions, depending on the state of attention or POV that is in operation at the time. snicker cunt. belly laugh I'm a cunt? What does that make Barry? A brachyphallic gugusse. (HINT: The above is a quote from one of Barry's attacks on me. Only the name has been changed.) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Unfortunately, Barry can't deal with teachers who deal in contradictions and have different answers to life's questions, depending on the state of attention or POV that is in operation at the time. snicker cunt. Now, now. :-) Alice is just acting and thinking the way she's been taught to act and think by her enlightened masters. Doncha know that intellectual consistency is only a good thing when you can accuse someone of not having it. :-) Anyone who has ever thought Barry had something of significance to say should contemplate the above exchange. Really? You honestly desire that I take time out from my day to contemplate yet another silly episode from this 10-year-plus dispute you've been having with Barry? I can forgive you for wasting your own time; I can't forgive you for wanting to waste my time. The quote at the top is of one of Barry's attacks on me, with only the name changed. The context of my quote was Barry's accusation that MMY has contradicted himself about the survival of the individual consciousness after death and the prediction that TBs will overlook the contradiction if they experience MMY after MMY dies. (Barry, I'm sure, will be the first to acknowledge that he has nothing of significance to say. He's been remarkably consistent about that whenever it's been pointed out to him that what he says makes no sense. So perhaps we should all take that to heart when reading Barry's posts here.) One can't believe impossible things. I daresay you haven't had much practice, said the queen. When I was your age I always did it for half-an-hour a day. Why, sometimes I've believed six impossible things before breakfast. -- Lewis Carroll To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: In the case of your ex-Guru Rama, people channeling him were doing so on an established authority within the community, which they were using to give messages. Michael, you should stick to what you actually know something about. When you try to make things up, they usually *sound* made up. :-) And what if you try to read properly? There IS no established authority within the Rama community. Of course he himself was the authority. So, speaking on his behalf, like most channelers do, they use the authority of the person they channel. I guess there was not mach interest in these channelings outside the Rama community, but the interest within that community was due to the authority their master enjoyed. In comparison to that: 1)MMY did not channel GD 2)GD was unknown in the west were MMY started to teach. He failed to leave one. He just croaked himself and left nothing behind but a foundation to give away what was left of his money and a buncha students who didn't know what to do next. So anybody who felt like carrying on his work did so on their own, without any kind of authority or organization backing them whatsoever. Some did so cleanly in my opinion, limiting themselves to teaching the only thing they were qualified to teach, basic meditation, and doing so for free. A few others set themselves up as gurus, and some of them claimed direct communication from Rama to do so. So they used Ramas authority within the community. They claimed it. Since there are suckers everywhere, a few of those suckers fell for this routine for short periods of time. Now, a few years later, none of these poseurs have any followers left any more. It became evident very quickly that they couldn't walk their talk. Maharishi OTOH didn't give messages from Guru Dev to people. That's a big difference. True. He took GD's advice for himself... Uh, excuse me...it seems to me that Maharishi did the *opposite* of taking Guru Dev's advice. According to witnesses, that advice, given directly to Maharishi in public while Guru Dev was alive, was that he should *not* teach. Yet within a few years of Guru Dev's death, there he was teaching. That doesn't strike me as following one's teacher's advice. I was talking about the advice of the vision. He took this advice for himself and not for others. Its a big difference, if I get some message, and take this vision relating to myself, or start channeling messages to others what they should do. Big difference. In one case, I trust in my own experience and act upon it. In the other case I impose a foreign authorithy to others. ...and simply traces himself to the tradition of his master whom he served for more than 13 years. And within whose tradition he would never have been allowed to teach. Never. Sure, so far we understood. Nevertheless, he was an integral part in it, because we have GD word, that non Brahmins could be disciples. And as I have pointed out before, the reason was all external, ultra-orthodox convention. There were many Brahmins who believe that these injunctions aren't truely 'vedic'. (and as far as I can tell, you wouldn't really care). Point is, they weren't personal. Can you see the difference at all? Sure. Totally different situation in some ways, but similar in other ways. Maharishi rode to short-lived fame in India on the coattails of a famous teacher and then later to short-lived fame in the West by riding on the coattails of some famous musicians. The Rama poseurs rode to even shorter-lived fame on the coattails of the teacher they worked with for a few years (in some cases, longer than MMY spent with GD). Your interpretation. To me it seems he effected the life of many in a positive way. He indeed made meditation a household word in the west. I'm really not making a case for Maharishi being as much of a charlatan as some of these poseurs were. MMY accomplished a few good things in his time, and as far as I can tell, the poseurs didn't. But Maharishi *did* get famous initially by riding on his teacher's coattails, and has consistently ever since tried to give the impression that he had Guru Dev's blessing to go into the teaching biz. As far as I can tell, this claim is not true. When he started in Kerala, he was surrounded by orthodox Brahmins, and it seems he easily convinced them. He also easily convinced a few Gurubhais, who incidently were also Brahmnins. That is, according to GD, they were all eligable to teach. But all this is moot. Ya meet one of the people making these kinds of claims, whether they are for real or simply spiritual poseurs, and ya makes yer decision whether to believe them or not. And then ya lives with it. No one on earth will ever be able to prove whether ya made a
[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Unfortunately, Barry can't deal with teachers who deal in contradictions and have different answers to life's questions, depending on the state of attention or POV that is in operation at the time. snicker cunt. belly laugh I'm a cunt? What does that make Barry? A brachyphallic gugusse. A not-very-bright young man who trysts with priests?? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on varnas (castes)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guru Dev on Varnas (castes) http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/upadesh.htm#varnoM Wherever happiness is to be, there nobody is brahmana, is not kshatriya, is not vaishya, is not shudra. In Paramatma there is no difference in anyone, the difference then is in business. Okay, very nice quotes. In fact it says in quintessence, that the important thing is mukti and not varna. But it does not define, who a Brahmana is. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Men only?
I honestly think celibacy is an unhealthy practice. Use it or lose it is the rule in biology. Semen was considered magic in Vedic culture, but MMY's belief that it get transmuted into soma is just pre-scientific nonsense. The body does not work that way. On the other hand, believing that you are losing magical energy by having sex is a great way to insure that you will not have a fulfilling intimate relationship with your partner. Sex is not only natural, it is one of the greatest communications you can have with someone you love. Believing that you should hold it back is a sad metaphor for holding back your heart or other energy from the people you love in your life. Losing this misunderstanding about how my body worked was one of the greatest benefits of my leaving MMY's belief system. Sex is not a loss of energy, or a lower use of your life force. Even if you are not in love with someone, don't give up on sex. As the great sage Woody Alan said: Sex without love is an empty, meaningless experience. But among empty, meaningless experiences, it is one of the best! As each cast member of Seinfield on the famous Bramacharin episode said one by one: I'm out! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the longest time youse have stayed /uurdhva-retas/(brahmacharin)? Does it become easier after a couple of weeks or so? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the longest time youse have stayed /uurdhva-retas/(brahmacharin)? Does it become easier after a couple of weeks or so? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on varnas (castes)
Try the Shastras? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Guru Dev on Varnas (castes) http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/upadesh.htm#varnoM Wherever happiness is to be, there nobody is brahmana, is not kshatriya, is not vaishya, is not shudra. In Paramatma there is no difference in anyone, the difference then is in business. Okay, very nice quotes. In fact it says in quintessence, that the important thing is mukti and not varna. But it does not define, who a Brahmana is. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Men only?
abstaining from sex is a messy subject --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I honestly think celibacy is an unhealthy practice. Use it or lose it is the rule in biology. Semen was considered magic in Vedic culture, but MMY's belief that it get transmuted into soma is just pre-scientific nonsense. The body does not work that way. On the other hand, believing that you are losing magical energy by having sex is a great way to insure that you will not have a fulfilling intimate relationship with your partner. Sex is not only natural, it is one of the greatest communications you can have with someone you love. Believing that you should hold it back is a sad metaphor for holding back your heart or other energy from the people you love in your life. Losing this misunderstanding about how my body worked was one of the greatest benefits of my leaving MMY's belief system. Sex is not a loss of energy, or a lower use of your life force. Even if you are not in love with someone, don't give up on sex. As the great sage Woody Alan said: Sex without love is an empty, meaningless experience. But among empty, meaningless experiences, it is one of the best! As each cast member of Seinfield on the famous Bramacharin episode said one by one: I'm out! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: What is the longest time youse have stayed /uurdhva-retas/(brahmacharin)? Does it become easier after a couple of weeks or so? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: What is the longest time youse have stayed /uurdhva-retas/(brahmacharin)? Does it become easier after a couple of weeks or so? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Unfortunately, Barry can't deal with teachers who deal in contradictions and have different answers to life's questions, depending on the state of attention or POV that is in operation at the time. snicker cunt. belly laugh I'm a cunt? What does that make Barry? A brachyphallic gugusse. A not-very-bright young man who trysts with priests?? something like that...not that I feel that way about Barry but thought it a nice counterpoint to cunt. Also, I just read it in Depraved and insulting English and wanted to try it out. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on varnas (castes)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Try the Shastras? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Guru Dev on Varnas (castes) http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/upadesh.htm#varnoM Wherever happiness is to be, there nobody is brahmana, is not kshatriya, is not vaishya, is not shudra. In Paramatma there is no difference in anyone, the difference then is in business. Okay, very nice quotes. In fact it says in quintessence, that the important thing is mukti and not varna. But it does not define, who a Brahmana is. Like: The knower of Brahman is Brahman? As I pointed out, Ganapathy Muni and Kapali Shastri think that the Varna system was not hereditary. I pointed out some examples before in the other thread. For example, in the Vedas their were brahmanas etc. But the word used for them was not jati, which is caste in classical Sanskrit. The Veda uses varna, which is the psychological flavour. There is no indication at all in the Vedas, that it was hereditary. My argument was that the scriptures contradict themselves. You said that the guru clarifies. I asked you, were does GD define Brahmana. Now you go back to scripture. You say: Guru Dev just spoke shastra I say: Shastra gives contradictory statements. You say: GD clarifies I ask: were he defines Brahmana You say:Try Shastras To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Men only?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I honestly think celibacy is an unhealthy practice. Use it or lose it is the rule in biology. Semen was considered magic in Vedic culture, but MMY's belief that it get transmuted into soma is just pre-scientific nonsense. The body does not work that way. On the other hand, believing that you are losing magical energy by having sex is a great way to insure that you will not have a fulfilling intimate relationship with your partner. Sex is not only natural, it is one of the greatest communications you can have with someone you love. Believing that you should hold it back is a sad metaphor for holding back your heart or other energy from the people you love in your life. Losing this misunderstanding about how my body worked was one of the greatest benefits of my leaving MMY's belief system. Sex is not a loss of energy, or a lower use of your life force. Even if you are not in love with someone, don't give up on sex. As the great sage Woody Alan said: Sex without love is an empty, meaningless experience. But among empty, meaningless experiences, it is one of the best! As each cast member of Seinfield on the famous Bramacharin episode said one by one: I'm out! See? This is what happens when a man doesn't get married. The semen backs up into his brain. -- Judas to Jesus in The Last Temptation of Christ. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Men only?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the longest time youse have stayed /uurdhva-retas/(brahmacharin)? Does it become easier after a couple of weeks or so? It took 2 years, in my life, my friend. But then all pictures where gone. It is not a easy matter. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Men only?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: What is the longest time youse have stayed /uurdhva-retas/(brahmacharin)? Does it become easier after a couple of weeks or so? It took 2 years, in my life, my friend. But then all pictures where gone. It is not a easy matter. There you have it, card. In as little as two years you can be as sane as Nablus. :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on varnas (castes)
'From learned men or mahatmas become compliant with the Veda Shastras, understanding the relationship of one's own duty [with the dharma of others]. If you do not automatically accept the Veda Shastra enquire from them [learned men or mahatmas] the way for yourself then right away they can sift [the scriptures]. - The neighbour puts the head in the drain -' [Guru Dev quoted in 'Amrit Kana'] Please Michael, Don't try and raise an argument with me about caste system, it's pointless and leads nowhere. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Try the Shastras? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Guru Dev on Varnas (castes) http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/upadesh.htm#varnoM Wherever happiness is to be, there nobody is brahmana, is not kshatriya, is not vaishya, is not shudra. In Paramatma there is no difference in anyone, the difference then is in business. Okay, very nice quotes. In fact it says in quintessence, that the important thing is mukti and not varna. But it does not define, who a Brahmana is. Like: The knower of Brahman is Brahman? As I pointed out, Ganapathy Muni and Kapali Shastri think that the Varna system was not hereditary. I pointed out some examples before in the other thread. For example, in the Vedas their were brahmanas etc. But the word used for them was not jati, which is caste in classical Sanskrit. The Veda uses varna, which is the psychological flavour. There is no indication at all in the Vedas, that it was hereditary. My argument was that the scriptures contradict themselves. You said that the guru clarifies. I asked you, were does GD define Brahmana. Now you go back to scripture. You say: Guru Dev just spoke shastra I say: Shastra gives contradictory statements. You say: GD clarifies I ask: were he defines Brahmana You say:Try Shastras To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: He took GD's advice for himself... Uh, excuse me...it seems to me that Maharishi did the *opposite* of taking Guru Dev's advice. According to witnesses, that advice, given directly to Maharishi in public while Guru Dev was alive, was that he should *not* teach. Yet within a few years of Guru Dev's death, there he was teaching. That doesn't strike me as following one's teacher's advice. I was talking about the advice of the vision. No, you are talking about the advice of the *supposed* vision. There has never been, nor will there ever be, any evidence that such a vision ever happened. I'm just making this point because you seem to believe that because you believe in this vision it's a done deal, and that it really happened. I make no such assumption. I spent 14 years in the TM movement with- out hearing *any* reference to such a vision before you wrote about it a couple of posts ago. Thats because you are basically dump. He took this advice for himself and not for others. If it happened. Again, I've never heard such a story in all my years. If I had, unlike you I probably wouldn't have believed it. Nitpick all you want about the so-called differences you perceive between one person claiming to have had a vision and another. Bottom line is that anyone can claim anything they bloody well want to about visions, and there is nothing that *anyone* can *ever* do to prove them either true or false. It's ALL a matter of belief. In this particular case, you seem to have heard and chosen to believe a rumor THAT IS NOT EVEN MOVEMENT DOGMA. I never heard such a story, and I'd be willing to believe that many others here haven't, either. See, I have friends in India, who visisted this couple MMY was staying with, when he had the vision. In fact, he painted a picture of GD after having the vision. MMY is shown in the history book with this particular picture, its on page 53. That you didn't hear it is not my fault. What I don't understand: Is there any injunction here on the list, to only repeat movement dogma (PS caps are considered shouting and impolite) You did hear such a story, from somewhere, and because you're just a bowl of mush, bhakti-speaking, you chose to believe it. As I said, I probably wouldn't have. I heard the story from a friend who visited this couple. Seems to really upset you. snip When he [MMY] started in Kerala, he was surrounded by orthodox Brahmins, and it seems he easily convinced them. He convinced you, and all you did was hear a rumor that isn't even an established part of the TM teachings. :-) So what? snip If there is anything like 'good' or 'bad' at all. My point is: its always a personal thing. Why bother about the personal decision of others, and try to convince them they were wrong, Barry? We've gone down this road before. I am NOT trying to convince you of anything. That's just how you *interpret* hearing ideas other than your own, as if the person who has those other ideas is trying to convince you of them. They're not. You're just being a paranoid cultist, that's all. :-) So, Barry, you are really a nice guy. Isn't this forum open to all for public discussion? Yet you go out of your frame constantly. Saying: 'Fuck off and die' claiming this to be just a nice american idiom. And then giving me additional advice, that you just wanted me to contemplete inevitable death. OTOH you are so very concerned about the threats of fundamentalists, whose threats should be taken seriously and who are just 'scary'. Want a little advice from me: This is a real good opportunity to contemplate inevitable death. And because I believe something a friend tells me from an eyewitness, I am a cultist, and paranoid at that. Barry, go figure. Why is it that one can talk nicely and politely with other people, but not with you? And here you go again sending me forth. Hey, use a spam filter. To me you come across very faint-hearted and intolerant. I leave you to be paranoid all by yourself, and to believe any rumors you hear. Go forth and multiply. :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip In this particular case, you seem to have heard and chosen to believe a rumor THAT IS NOT EVEN MOVEMENT DOGMA. I never heard such a story, and I'd be willing to believe that many others here haven't, either. I can't remember where I heard it first, but it was some time ago, and I've heard it a number of times since. It's been discussed on alt.m.t, for example. It's certainly movement *mythology* if not movement *dogma*. It isn't exactly the sort of thing you'd want to mention in an intro lecture, after all. snip When he [MMY] started in Kerala, he was surrounded by orthodox Brahmins, and it seems he easily convinced them. He convinced you, and all you did was hear a rumor that isn't even an established part of the TM teachings. :-) Says Barry, wilfully missing Michael's point (i.e., that orthodox Brahmins would be in a pretty good position to decide whether MMY was qualified to teach by orthodox Brahmin standards). snip If there is anything like 'good' or 'bad' at all. My point is: its always a personal thing. Why bother about the personal decision of others, and try to convince them they were wrong, Barry? We've gone down this road before. I am NOT trying to convince you of anything. That's just how you *interpret* hearing ideas other than your own, as if the person who has those other ideas is trying to convince you of them. They're not. You're just being a paranoid cultist, that's all. :-) Your constant mantra that you're not trying to convince anybody of anything, Barry, is a crock. It's an excuse you haul out to get yourself off the hook when somebody mounts a solid challenge to whatever you're trying to convince them of. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Okay, it is time for me to own up. I have sensed Guru Dev behind my research work since way way back, whether it be wandering in the jungle chatting with swamis or trawling the internet or puzzling over the meaning of a rarely used Sanskrit word. I guess I am an unlikely conduit for his teachings, but as far as I am concerned, I work on his behalf. Care for some details on this ? Why do you, some stupid, greedy little fellow who is infamous for writing a redicelous biography of Maharishi, now sensing Guru Dev behind my research... ? Lot's was right in his insesitive wrath in your direction: You are the scambug of this earth; Paul Mason, what you are doing is simple and gross. Why Maharishi cut your scorpion-country off is getting more and more obvious with people like you on board. Obviously, you will reap what you sow. As we all shall. But you, my friend; be prepared for some extras. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev
Does anyone have a copy of the photograph that t3rinity is referring to? It is to the left of MMY on page 53 of 'Thirty Years Around the World'. It looks like the photo that the puja portrait was painted from. An in-transit picture is at:- http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/sources/text/GuidingLight.htm --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vision of Guru Dev by MMY? Never heard it before today. Never heard of him 'painting a picture' before, unless you mean colouring a photograph which you mentioned over on the googlegroup many many months back, as I recall. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: He took GD's advice for himself... Uh, excuse me...it seems to me that Maharishi did the *opposite* of taking Guru Dev's advice. According to witnesses, that advice, given directly to Maharishi in public while Guru Dev was alive, was that he should *not* teach. Yet within a few years of Guru Dev's death, there he was teaching. That doesn't strike me as following one's teacher's advice. I was talking about the advice of the vision. No, you are talking about the advice of the *supposed* vision. There has never been, nor will there ever be, any evidence that such a vision ever happened. I'm just making this point because you seem to believe that because you believe in this vision it's a done deal, and that it really happened. I make no such assumption. I spent 14 years in the TM movement with- out hearing *any* reference to such a vision before you wrote about it a couple of posts ago. Thats because you are basically dump. He took this advice for himself and not for others. If it happened. Again, I've never heard such a story in all my years. If I had, unlike you I probably wouldn't have believed it. Nitpick all you want about the so-called differences you perceive between one person claiming to have had a vision and another. Bottom line is that anyone can claim anything they bloody well want to about visions, and there is nothing that *anyone* can *ever* do to prove them either true or false. It's ALL a matter of belief. In this particular case, you seem to have heard and chosen to believe a rumor THAT IS NOT EVEN MOVEMENT DOGMA. I never heard such a story, and I'd be willing to believe that many others here haven't, either. See, I have friends in India, who visisted this couple MMY was staying with, when he had the vision. In fact, he painted a picture of GD after having the vision. MMY is shown in the history book with this particular picture, its on page 53. That you didn't hear it is not my fault. What I don't understand: Is there any injunction here on the list, to only repeat movement dogma (PS caps are considered shouting and impolite) You did hear such a story, from somewhere, and because you're just a bowl of mush, bhakti-speaking, you chose to believe it. As I said, I probably wouldn't have. I heard the story from a friend who visited this couple. Seems to really upset you. snip When he [MMY] started in Kerala, he was surrounded by orthodox Brahmins, and it seems he easily convinced them. He convinced you, and all you did was hear a rumor that isn't even an established part of the TM teachings. :-) So what? snip If there is anything like 'good' or 'bad' at all. My point is: its always a personal thing. Why bother about the personal decision of others, and try to convince them they were wrong, Barry? We've gone down this road before. I am NOT trying to convince you of anything. That's just how you *interpret* hearing ideas other than your own, as if the person who has those other ideas is trying to convince you of them. They're not. You're just being a paranoid cultist, that's all. :-) So, Barry, you are really a nice guy. Isn't this forum open to all for public discussion? Yet you go out of your frame constantly. Saying: 'Fuck off and die' claiming this to be just a nice american idiom. And then giving me additional advice, that you just wanted me to contemplete inevitable death. OTOH you are so very concerned about the threats of fundamentalists, whose threats should be taken seriously and who are just 'scary'. Want a little advice from me: This is a real good opportunity to contemplate inevitable death. And because I believe something a friend tells me from an eyewitness, I am a cultist, and paranoid at that. Barry, go figure. Why is it that one can talk nicely and politely with
[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev
What bar are you propping up today? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd marwincornyarmand@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Okay, it is time for me to own up. I have sensed Guru Dev behind my research work since way way back, whether it be wandering in the jungle chatting with swamis or trawling the internet or puzzling over the meaning of a rarely used Sanskrit word. I guess I am an unlikely conduit for his teachings, but as far as I am concerned, I work on his behalf. Care for some details on this ? Why do you, some stupid, greedy little fellow who is infamous for writing a redicelous biography of Maharishi, now sensing Guru Dev behind my research... ? Lot's was right in his insesitive wrath in your direction: You are the scambug of this earth; Paul Mason, what you are doing is simple and gross. Why Maharishi cut your scorpion-country off is getting more and more obvious with people like you on board. Obviously, you will reap what you sow. As we all shall. But you, my friend; be prepared for some extras. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Okay, it is time for me to own up. I have sensed Guru Dev behind my research work since way way back, whether it be wandering in the jungle chatting with swamis or trawling the internet or puzzling over the meaning of a rarely used Sanskrit word. I guess I am an unlikely conduit for his teachings, but as far as I am concerned, I work on his behalf. Care for some details on this ? Why do you, some stupid, greedy little fellow who is infamous for writing a redicelous biography of Maharishi, now sensing Guru Dev behind my research... ? snip Now we're heating up here! lurk To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Unfortunately, Barry can't deal with teachers who deal in contradictions and have different answers to life's questions, depending on the state of attention or POV that is in operation at the time. snicker cunt. Now, now. :-) Alice is just acting and thinking the way she's been taught to act and think by her enlightened masters. Doncha know that intellectual consistency is only a good thing when you can accuse someone of not having it. :-) I know, but MMY always taught me to speak the sweet truth! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Scambug and fault apple?
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[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What bar are you propping up today? I'm just having a peek into your future my friend. It's spontanous, can't help it. Amend your ways. Why create more karma than necessary. We should long for the opposite. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 nablus108@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd marwincornyarmand@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Okay, it is time for me to own up. I have sensed Guru Dev behind my research work since way way back, whether it be wandering in the jungle chatting with swamis or trawling the internet or puzzling over the meaning of a rarely used Sanskrit word. I guess I am an unlikely conduit for his teachings, but as far as I am concerned, I work on his behalf. Care for some details on this ? Why do you, some stupid, greedy little fellow who is infamous for writing a redicelous biography of Maharishi, now sensing Guru Dev behind my research... ? Lot's was right in his insesitive wrath in your direction: You are the scambug of this earth; Paul Mason, what you are doing is simple and gross. Why Maharishi cut your scorpion-country off is getting more and more obvious with people like you on board. Obviously, you will reap what you sow. As we all shall. But you, my friend; be prepared for some extras. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Never thought I would see this.
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Never thought I would see this. on 9/1/06 8:56 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: End of an Affair http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/31/AR2006083101460_pf.html FOCUS | Larry C. Johnson: Smearing the Wilsons and Sliming America http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/090206Y.shtml How low can they go? I refer of course to the latest vitriol directed at Valerie and Joe Wilson by the likes of Christopher Hitchens and Fred Hiatt of the Washington Post, who claim that Joe Wilson, not Bush administration officials, is responsible for destroying his wife's cover and exposing her as a CIA operative. Hitchens's battle with the bottle may account for his addled thinking, but what is Hiatt's excuse? asks Larry C. Johnson. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why Maharishi cut your scorpion-country off is getting more and more obvious with people like you on board. Obviously, you will reap what you sow. As we all shall. But you, my friend; be prepared for some extras. Okay. I'm now fully convinced that this Nablus fellow is a troll. He's not even a meditator but someone who is out to discredit the TMO and MMY by acting like a complete horse's ass. He sounds more like a fundamentalist Christian with all this fire and brimstone. Perhaps he is Peter from a.m.t. Funny. Your problem is that you are not understanding what I write. I think I understand fear-mongering. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why Maharishi cut your scorpion-country off is getting more and more obvious with people like you on board. Obviously, you will reap what you sow. As we all shall. But you, my friend; be prepared for some extras. Okay. I'm now fully convinced that this Nablus fellow is a troll. He's not even a meditator but someone who is out to discredit the TMO and MMY by acting like a complete horse's ass. He sounds more like a fundamentalist Christian with all this fire and brimstone. Perhaps he is Peter from a.m.t. Funny. Your problem is that you are not understanding what I write. Nablus, I just finished a rockin' stellar program of 4 hours. You wouldn't believe what happened at the end. I was running through the sutras when all of a sudden I cognized your future! My friend, I have some dark news for you. Don't buy any long playing records. Your remaining time on this earth is very short. But cheer up! You will be reborn in England to live a brief life as a chimney sweep.Onward and upward, eh? Stiff upper lip old chap! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev
--- nablus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What bar are you propping up today? I'm just having a peek into your future my friend. It's spontanous, can't help it. Amend your ways. Why create more karma than necessary. We should long for the opposite. I am so impressed with your psychic ability and how special you are. I'm glad to be able to talk to you. I'm blessed. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Men only?
I'm with you on this one, Curtis. If celibacy comes naturally, with no thought or strain, then fine. But most people need to have sex and guess what, it has no impact on your evolution at all. People can be so unsimple and so un-natural in the TMO. --- curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I honestly think celibacy is an unhealthy practice. Use it or lose it is the rule in biology. Semen was considered magic in Vedic culture, but MMY's belief that it get transmuted into soma is just pre-scientific nonsense. The body does not work that way. On the other hand, believing that you are losing magical energy by having sex is a great way to insure that you will not have a fulfilling intimate relationship with your partner. Sex is not only natural, it is one of the greatest communications you can have with someone you love. Believing that you should hold it back is a sad metaphor for holding back your heart or other energy from the people you love in your life. Losing this misunderstanding about how my body worked was one of the greatest benefits of my leaving MMY's belief system. Sex is not a loss of energy, or a lower use of your life force. Even if you are not in love with someone, don't give up on sex. As the great sage Woody Alan said: Sex without love is an empty, meaningless experience. But among empty, meaningless experiences, it is one of the best! As each cast member of Seinfield on the famous Bramacharin episode said one by one: I'm out! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the longest time youse have stayed /uurdhva-retas/(brahmacharin)? Does it become easier after a couple of weeks or so? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the longest time youse have stayed /uurdhva-retas/(brahmacharin)? Does it become easier after a couple of weeks or so? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev
Isn't the puja painting by Acharya. Clearly, Raj Varma painted portraits of Guru Dev, but I'm not sure which. I wrote to him back in the 1970's and asked him for any photos of Guru Dev that he had taken. He sent me about half a dozen which alas are no longer accessible, but hopefully, they will resurface somewhere one of these days. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Does anyone have a copy of the photograph that t3rinity is referring to? It is to the left of MMY on page 53 of 'Thirty Years Around the World'. It looks like the photo that the puja portrait was painted from. An in-transit picture is at:- http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/sources/text/GuidingLight.htm I thought that the puju portrait was painted by Dr. Varma , Maharishi's uncle. JohnY That is what I read. I thing it was said in book of Else Denmark?? She was in Rishikesh when Dr. Varma was working with the picture. Unfortunately, I have given away almost all books of MMY - so I am not able to control it. Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Vision of Guru Dev by MMY? Never heard it before today. Never heard of him 'painting a picture' before, unless you mean colouring a photograph which you mentioned over on the googlegroup many many months back, as I recall. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: He took GD's advice for himself... Uh, excuse me...it seems to me that Maharishi did the *opposite* of taking Guru Dev's advice. According to witnesses, that advice, given directly to Maharishi in public while Guru Dev was alive, was that he should *not* teach. Yet within a few years of Guru Dev's death, there he was teaching. That doesn't strike me as following one's teacher's advice. I was talking about the advice of the vision. No, you are talking about the advice of the *supposed* vision. There has never been, nor will there ever be, any evidence that such a vision ever happened. I'm just making this point because you seem to believe that because you believe in this vision it's a done deal, and that it really happened. I make no such assumption. I spent 14 years in the TM movement with- out hearing *any* reference to such a vision before you wrote about it a couple of posts ago. Thats because you are basically dump. He took this advice for himself and not for others. If it happened. Again, I've never heard such a story in all my years. If I had, unlike you I probably wouldn't have believed it. Nitpick all you want about the so-called differences you perceive between one person claiming to have had a vision and another. Bottom line is that anyone can claim anything they bloody well want to about visions, and there is nothing that *anyone* can *ever* do to prove them either true or false. It's ALL a matter of belief. In this particular case, you seem to have heard and chosen to believe a rumor THAT IS NOT EVEN MOVEMENT DOGMA. I never heard such a story, and I'd be willing to believe that many others here haven't, either. See, I have friends in India, who visisted this couple MMY was staying with, when he had the vision. In fact, he painted a picture of GD after having the vision. MMY is shown in the history book with this particular picture, its on page 53. That you didn't hear it is not my fault. What I don't understand: Is there any injunction here on the list, to only repeat movement dogma (PS caps are considered shouting and impolite) You did hear such a story, from somewhere, and because you're just a bowl of mush, bhakti-speaking, you chose to believe it. As I said, I probably wouldn't have. I heard the story from a friend who visited this couple. Seems to really upset you. snip When he [MMY] started in Kerala, he was surrounded by orthodox Brahmins, and it seems he easily convinced them. He convinced you, and all you did was hear a rumor that isn't even an established part of the TM teachings. :- ) So what? snip If there is anything like 'good' or 'bad' at all. My point is:
[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev
Comment below: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Does anyone have a copy of the photograph that t3rinity is referring to? It is to the left of MMY on page 53 of 'Thirty Years Around the World'. It looks like the photo that the puja portrait was painted from. An in-transit picture is at:- http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/sources/text/GuidingLight.htm I thought that the puju portrait was painted by Dr. Varma , Maharishi's uncle. JohnY **Snip to End** The portrait of Guru Dev that we received as initiators was signed by M.T.V. Acharya. I had always heard Dr. Varma referred to as Raj Varma, which I assumed was his name but could be just an honorific. So, depending on what Dr. Varma's name was, M.T.V. Acharya could be him and then Acharya would be a designation that he was at a high level of achievement as an artist. However, I don't believe that's the case at all, inasmuch as the styles between this portrait and all of Dr. Varma's other portraits are so radically different. Dr. Varma was a self-taught artist and all his paintings show elements characteristic of the auto-didact: problems with perspective, irregularities of scale, confusions between color and value, etc. The portrait we received for puja is a painting on top of a photo of Guru Dev (the same photo which can be found at Paul Mason's site, near the bottom of the opening page, among the quotes and reproduced in blue) and it seems that there are several different, earlier versions before the one we were given. This photo image of Guru Dev is likely the one that Maharishi used to color in when he was first heading south and began to teach. Since Dr. Varma was a photographer and photo retoucher, it's not unlikely that Maharishi would have had familiarity with and access to the photo retouching inks that he used in his profession. All of Dr. Varma's paintings of Guru Dev also utilize the same 3/4 pose of Guru Dev's body from that same photo; only in Dr. Varma's official portraits of Guru Dev on the lion throne he positions the head of Guru Dev so that it's a full frontal. An interesting (and not ineffective) technique but also very typical of what you'd expect of a self-taught artist. In the later years when Dr. Varma was just churning these paintings out they began to look quite grotesque with the head of Guru Dev becoming quite large relative to the body's proportions and sort of sinking down into the body so that the image had a kind of hunchbacked effect. Very much different from the erect, yet comfortable posture that Guru Dev always seems to abide in as shown in all the photos we have so far. Before I sent this I looked for and found a photo of a portrait of Maharishi painted by Dr. Varma sometime in the 80's. In the lower right hand corner of the image he has signed it Raj R.P. Varma. So that seems to conclusively prove that he didn't do the standard puja portrait. I'll upload a copy of that image to the files later. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Men only?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm with you on this one, Curtis. If celibacy comes naturally, with no thought or strain, then fine. But most people need to have sex and guess what, it has no impact on your evolution at all. People can be so unsimple and so un-natural in the TMO. On the one hand, I've had the best subjective experiences in TM during times of celibacy. On the other, living in a society where every billboard around every corner is enticing you to schwing! if you get my drift, celibacy can be excruciatingly frustrating and, yes, dangerous to your health. I think if one is in a monastery or a surroundings that is protected from the influences of society then, yes, celibacy is a worthy ideal to aspire to. Otherwise, you're on a really hard and unpleasant road... --- curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I honestly think celibacy is an unhealthy practice. Use it or lose it is the rule in biology. Semen was considered magic in Vedic culture, but MMY's belief that it get transmuted into soma is just pre-scientific nonsense. The body does not work that way. On the other hand, believing that you are losing magical energy by having sex is a great way to insure that you will not have a fulfilling intimate relationship with your partner. Sex is not only natural, it is one of the greatest communications you can have with someone you love. Believing that you should hold it back is a sad metaphor for holding back your heart or other energy from the people you love in your life. Losing this misunderstanding about how my body worked was one of the greatest benefits of my leaving MMY's belief system. Sex is not a loss of energy, or a lower use of your life force. Even if you are not in love with someone, don't give up on sex. As the great sage Woody Alan said: Sex without love is an empty, meaningless experience. But among empty, meaningless experiences, it is one of the best! As each cast member of Seinfield on the famous Bramacharin episode said one by one: I'm out! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: What is the longest time youse have stayed /uurdhva-retas/(brahmacharin)? Does it become easier after a couple of weeks or so? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: What is the longest time youse have stayed /uurdhva-retas/(brahmacharin)? Does it become easier after a couple of weeks or so? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev
I have some notes from 9th February 1970, where MMY talks about the start of SRM, the notes is written from a Audio Tape: When Guru Dev left his body I retired to the Himalayas where Guru Dev had met his Guru Dev. I felt I should go to Ramesh Waroom - I asked the saints. One was 90 years old. This was for me, after the Himalayas like stepping into mud. He advised against going. I decided to forget the trip. I went to Kungakumari - I had a divine revalation. I left and went to Tivendrum, to the biggest temple. I was followed by a man and he asked me to speak about the Himalayas - he arranged a 7 day lecture program and he supplied the topics. In 6 months I was lecturing in Dehli. At this stage I had never initiated anyone. When I got to Hardwar the philosophy had become clear - to turn the mind inward was easy! The message was readily accepted. I went to Kashmir and then to Bombay for the 89th birthday celebrations for Guru Dev. I held a 3 day seminar in Madras on saintly luminaries. At the end I said I think this meditation can spiritually regenerate the world. During the applause I felt I should start a world movement. I announced it spontaneously. After a 6 months tour of south India I calculated at this rate it would take 200 years.. Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vision of Guru Dev by MMY? Never heard it before today. Never heard of him 'painting a picture' before, unless you mean colouring a photograph which you mentioned over on the googlegroup many many months back, as I recall. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: He took GD's advice for himself... Uh, excuse me...it seems to me that Maharishi did the *opposite* of taking Guru Dev's advice. According to witnesses, that advice, given directly to Maharishi in public while Guru Dev was alive, was that he should *not* teach. Yet within a few years of Guru Dev's death, there he was teaching. That doesn't strike me as following one's teacher's advice. I was talking about the advice of the vision. No, you are talking about the advice of the *supposed* vision. There has never been, nor will there ever be, any evidence that such a vision ever happened. I'm just making this point because you seem to believe that because you believe in this vision it's a done deal, and that it really happened. I make no such assumption. I spent 14 years in the TM movement with- out hearing *any* reference to such a vision before you wrote about it a couple of posts ago. Thats because you are basically dump. He took this advice for himself and not for others. If it happened. Again, I've never heard such a story in all my years. If I had, unlike you I probably wouldn't have believed it. Nitpick all you want about the so-called differences you perceive between one person claiming to have had a vision and another. Bottom line is that anyone can claim anything they bloody well want to about visions, and there is nothing that *anyone* can *ever* do to prove them either true or false. It's ALL a matter of belief. In this particular case, you seem to have heard and chosen to believe a rumor THAT IS NOT EVEN MOVEMENT DOGMA. I never heard such a story, and I'd be willing to believe that many others here haven't, either. See, I have friends in India, who visisted this couple MMY was staying with, when he had the vision. In fact, he painted a picture of GD after having the vision. MMY is shown in the history book with this particular picture, its on page 53. That you didn't hear it is not my fault. What I don't understand: Is there any injunction here on the list, to only repeat movement dogma (PS caps are considered shouting and impolite) You did hear such a story, from somewhere, and because you're just a bowl of mush, bhakti-speaking, you chose to believe it. As I said, I probably wouldn't have. I heard the story from a friend who visited this couple. Seems to really upset you. snip When he [MMY] started in Kerala, he was surrounded by orthodox Brahmins, and it seems he easily convinced them. He convinced you, and all you did was hear a rumor that isn't even an established part of the TM teachings. :-) So what? snip If there is anything like 'good' or 'bad' at all. My point is: its always a personal thing. Why bother about the personal decision of others, and try to convince them they were wrong, Barry? We've gone down this road before. I am NOT trying to convince you of
[FairfieldLife] Re: Men only?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm with you on this one, Curtis. If celibacy comes naturally, with no thought or strain, then fine. But most people need to have sex and guess what, it has no impact on your evolution at all. People can be so unsimple and so un-natural in the TMO. In my case that's a bit more complicated, so much so, that it feels quite frustrating to try to explain it in a foreign language. But I'd say it boils down to the fact that I'm a gynephobic heterosexual. Only recently I've realised the possible cause for my gynephobia in case the cause is something that's happened during this lifetime. The last time I was with a women, I noticed she was not at all satisfied with my performance. I guess she could feel my tenseness or something. So, in my case staying /uurdhva-retas/ is not loosing much of intimacy. Anyhow, the main reason why I asked that was the fact that nowadays I often feel rather restless if I keep it up more than, say, 2 weeks, whereas when I was in my twenties, before I was initiated, I seem to recall that I could once do that for several weeks without feeling overly uneasy. On the other hand brahmacarya seems to have some physical and mental benefits, the weirdest of which is that the muscles in my legs seem to, well, grow somewhat. That's important for me because I'm rather self-conscious of not having that much muscles overall, except for the love-muscle the size of which I'm fairly satisfied with. -- Yikes! :) I'm not intending to try to become /uurdhva-retas/ for an extended time, but perhaps a month, or so, at a time would be reasonable. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] 'News Organizations Helping To Fuel Chaos Terror'
Many [if not all] ofthe news organizations; Especially, here, in the United States; Have been complicit in their propagating fear and terror. They were absolutely complicit in the unquestioning build-up- To the Iraqi Invasion... They continue to fear monger every stupid utterance of every terror leader. They blow out of proportion, every obtuseincident, for ratings and sick entertainment value. I say most, if not all, of the news organizations in the United States.Areresponsible for creating and propagating the fear mongering; That they ultimately blame on the current administation. __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Men only?
Kind of amazing how personal some posts are. I appreciate your openness. I learned a new word today: gynophobic, fear of or contempt for women! Subtly different from misogyny hatred, dislike, or mistrust of women, which is another word for this common attitude in some men in certain spiritual groups. Shankara seemed to be both according to his writings. One thing I notice is that actually having sex frees up my mind to think of other things. An inactive sex life can lead to and annoying focus of my attention. Have you ever tried the opposite of celibacy for a month, a daily practice? It might change your mind about the value of celibacy. Your body gets very strong and healthy. Puts a grin on your face and a spring in your step for the whole day! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: I'm with you on this one, Curtis. If celibacy comes naturally, with no thought or strain, then fine. But most people need to have sex and guess what, it has no impact on your evolution at all. People can be so unsimple and so un-natural in the TMO. In my case that's a bit more complicated, so much so, that it feels quite frustrating to try to explain it in a foreign language. But I'd say it boils down to the fact that I'm a gynephobic heterosexual. Only recently I've realised the possible cause for my gynephobia in case the cause is something that's happened during this lifetime. The last time I was with a women, I noticed she was not at all satisfied with my performance. I guess she could feel my tenseness or something. So, in my case staying /uurdhva-retas/ is not loosing much of intimacy. Anyhow, the main reason why I asked that was the fact that nowadays I often feel rather restless if I keep it up more than, say, 2 weeks, whereas when I was in my twenties, before I was initiated, I seem to recall that I could once do that for several weeks without feeling overly uneasy. On the other hand brahmacarya seems to have some physical and mental benefits, the weirdest of which is that the muscles in my legs seem to, well, grow somewhat. That's important for me because I'm rather self-conscious of not having that much muscles overall, except for the love-muscle the size of which I'm fairly satisfied with. -- Yikes! :) I'm not intending to try to become /uurdhva-retas/ for an extended time, but perhaps a month, or so, at a time would be reasonable. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'News Organizations Helping To Fuel Chaos Terror'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Many [if not all] of the news organizations; Especially, here, in the United States; Have been complicit in their propagating fear and terror. They were absolutely complicit in the unquestioning build-up- To the Iraqi Invasion... They continue to fear monger every stupid utterance of every terror leader. They blow out of proportion, every obtuse incident, for ratings and sick entertainment value. I say most, if not all, of the news organizations in the United States. Are responsible for creating and propagating the fear mongering; That they ultimately blame on the current administation. Uh, Robert, where do you think they're getting their ideas and information? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'News Organizations Helping To Fuel Chaos Terror'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel babajii_99@ wrote: Many [if not all] of the news organizations; Especially, here, in the United States; Have been complicit in their propagating fear and terror. They were absolutely complicit in the unquestioning build-up- To the Iraqi Invasion... They continue to fear monger every stupid utterance of every terror leader. They blow out of proportion, every obtuse incident, for ratings and sick entertainment value. I say most, if not all, of the news organizations in the United States. Are responsible for creating and propagating the fear mongering; That they ultimately blame on the current administation. Uh, Robert, where do you think they're getting their ideas and information? Yeah, I know; but I just wanted to write something in a way; That is so obvious, and send it out to some of these [news organizations]...(kind of a hobby of mine). That would, sort of, state the obvious, which sometimes, I think, can allow people to perhaps take a chance and write something different than the usual, or report something different; And to realize how powerful the messages are that are massed produced and broadcast, everywhere. And how we are defeating ourselves, by not having more objective and thoughtful reporting.. So, I sent this to a number of news outlets, just to see...to nudge them a bit.. I don't know, it's just seems like a good thing sometimes to state the obvious, when we get so used to something being a certain way.. R.G. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'News Organizations Helping To Fuel Chaos Terror'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel babajii_99@ wrote: Many [if not all] of the news organizations; Especially, here, in the United States; Have been complicit in their propagating fear and terror. They were absolutely complicit in the unquestioning build-up- To the Iraqi Invasion... They continue to fear monger every stupid utterance of every terror leader. They blow out of proportion, every obtuse incident, for ratings and sick entertainment value. I say most, if not all, of the news organizations in the United States. Are responsible for creating and propagating the fear mongering; That they ultimately blame on the current administation. Uh, Robert, where do you think they're getting their ideas and information? Yeah, I know; but I just wanted to write something in a way; That is so obvious, and send it out to some of these [news organizations]...(kind of a hobby of mine). That would, sort of, state the obvious, which sometimes, I think, can allow people to perhaps take a chance and write something different than the usual, or report something different; And to realize how powerful the messages are that are massed prodiced and broadcast, everywhere. And how we are defeating ourselves, by not having more objective and thoughtful reporting.. So, I sent this to a number of news outlets, just to see...to nudge them a bit.. I don't know, it's just seems like a good thing sometimes to state the obvious, when we get so used to something being a certain way.. R.G. But the problem is that the media is *regurgitating the administration line*. They've failed to hold the administration (and the Republican Congress) accountable. They're afraid to challenge the line. To claim they're more or less making it up and *blaming* it on the government doesn't make sense. The government is *thrilled* at the media's assistance in propagating fear and terror. The media isn't going to pay any attention to you if you accuse them of *blaming* it on the government. That's just crackpot. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guru Dev repeatedly said that he was not forwarding his own beliefs, but those of the Shastras that others should live by the Shastras, not by their own initiative. That was his job, afterall... While every good Catholic expects the Pope to be spontaneously doctrinally pure of heart, the fact is, regardless of his private thoughts on any matter, it is his duty to expouse the most conservative, Romanly pure doctrine in every utterance. Likewise with a Shankaracharya. MMY assigns himself the same task, but he interprets much of the doctrine quite differently than most. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: I've had an active relationship with His Holiness for many many years. Is it out of the norm? Sure! Yes! Of course! Is it absolutely real? Sure! Yes! Of course! Should I deny it, or not speak about it, or doubt my direct perception for the last 25 years, just because those who haven't had such an experience cannot comprehend it, or doubt it? The same question must have confronted Maharishi, when he was equally inspired by visions of Guru Dev in 1955. With the slight difference, that he had known him (and his vibe) in body, and was very well in a position to judge the validity of his experience. Easy for anybody to dismiss this, take an old lecture of GD out of context. Besides that, we all know how often masters contradict themselves. Even Guru Dev could have changed his mind, once he had left his brahmanical body and his Shankaracharya position. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Guru Dev repeatedly said that he was not forwarding his own beliefs, but those of the Shastras that others should live by the Shastras, not by their own initiative. Yes, I believe so. But even the understanding of what the shastras are saying can vary. The Shastras at places contradict themselves. As you can see, there are even different practises in the Dasanami Sampradaya, which was founded by Shankara. Shankara himself stated in a famous poem, (not literally): 'He who knows this Brahman, he is my teacher, be he Brahmin or Chandala.' This is also Shastra. Sanskrit scripture evolved over time, just as with other religions. a word that had one meaning at one point in time might have an entirely different meaning 200 years later. MMY sidesteps the whole issue by taking the broadest possible interpretation of categories, and assuming that the details are modified by Nature as appropriate for a given society in a different era. IOW, what does it mean to practice compassion anyway? And fidelity in marriage has a radically different meaning for a land-owning female in 18th Century Tibet as compared to a female living in 21st Century Tehran. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: I've had an active relationship with His Holiness for many many years. Is it out of the norm? Sure! Yes! Of course! Is it absolutely real? Sure! Yes! Of course! Should I deny it, or not speak about it, or doubt my direct perception for the last 25 years, just because those who haven't had such an experience cannot comprehend it, or doubt it? The same question must have confronted Maharishi, when he was equally inspired by visions of Guru Dev in 1955. With the slight difference, that he had known him (and his vibe) in body, and was very well in a position to judge the validity of his experience. Easy for anybody to dismiss this, take an old lecture of GD out of context. Besides that, we all know how often masters contradict themselves. Even Guru Dev could have changed his mind, once he had left his brahmanical body and his Shankaracharya position. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] It is this last phenomenon I expect to happen a LOT in the TM movement when Maharishi finally dies. I expect there to be at least half a dozen folks who start hearing messages from Maharishi and that mini-cults will develop around each of them. On the one hand (as a sociological phenomenon) it'll be fun and fascinating to watch. On the other hand (as an exercise in mind control and charlatanry) it's IMO likely to get really ugly. Then again, maybe I'll be surprised and no one will start claiming to be in almost daily communi- cation with Maharishi after he dies. Yeah, right...like *that's* gonna happen... :-) BUT, will it happen WITHIN the TMO? I suspect not. Anyone who starts claiming channeled knowledge will be oustracized immediately. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And that is a major role of the Guru to settle such disputes over the meaning of the Shastras and clarify about apparent contradictions. Which is why they are supposed to be so-o-o-o learned, AND be in the light entirely. Incidentally I am not presenting my own view on this, but that which I have learned from the words of Guru Dev. See my previous response about the meaning of words. MMY doesn't pretend to have the detailed answers for individuals from different countries: he assumes that every religion has found its own appropriate implementation of the catagories of behavior described in the Shastras that is relevant for the time and culture that people find themselves in. The only sure constant is TM. Everything else gets added onto the person as their nervous system matures, so agonizing over the details is futile and counter-productive. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Unfortunately, Barry can't deal with teachers who deal in contradictions and have different answers to life's questions, depending on the state of attention or POV that is in operation at the time. snicker cunt. belly laugh I'm a cunt? What does that make Barry? (HINT: The above is a quote from one of Barry's attacks on me. Only the name has been changed.) Well, THAT's different. Barry never says anything offensive. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Is passage thru the Ajna Chakra (third eye) necessary for enlightenment (CC)?
I've only been meditating for 37 years (TM govenor/Siddha...in poor standing)and don't really know...any takers? BillyG. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Okay, it is time for me to own up. I have sensed Guru Dev behind my research work since way way back, whether it be wandering in the jungle chatting with swamis or trawling the internet or puzzling over the meaning of a rarely used Sanskrit word. I guess I am an unlikely conduit for his teachings, but as far as I am concerned, I work on his behalf. Are you claiming that Guru Dev wants you to denigrate Maharishi, Paul? By insinutation, Gurudev wants Paul to lay it all out and let people make their own decisions based on Paul's collection of quotes. Of course, as MMY has explained, he's not trying to get everyone to be just like him, and assumes that each religion and culture has found its own way of dealing with the issues of human behavior and interaction so what Gurudev says about an issue that is specific to the culture of India doesn't mean squat about some other culture or about the appropriateness of what one of his students might be doing in order to make Gurudev's teachings acultural. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Is opening the third eye (Ajna) necessary for enlightenment (CC)?
I've only been meditating for 37 years (TM govenor/Siddha...in poor standing)and don't really know...any takers? BillyG. (previous subject line cut off) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lasik in Cambodia
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Given their past, I assume that lasik surgury in Cambodia must be booming...more so than any other country. *** http://www.salon.com/mwt/col/tenn/2006/08/29/lasik/index_np.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Men only?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the longest time youse have stayed /uurdhva-retas/(brahmacharin)? Does it become easier after a couple of weeks or so? Many years. And perhaps it does get easier, or perhaps I've only gotten old and fat, and well- aware that my taste in women has never been all that great so I stopped worrying about it. I flirt a lot, but expect nothing and am never surprised OR disappointed. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Unfortunately, Barry can't deal with teachers who deal in contradictions and have different answers to life's questions, depending on the state of attention or POV that is in operation at the time. snicker cunt. belly laugh I'm a cunt? What does that make Barry? A brachyphallic gugusse. A not-very-bright young man who trysts with priests?? something like that...not that I feel that way about Barry but thought it a nice counterpoint to cunt. Also, I just read it in Depraved and insulting English and wanted to try it out. brachyphallic doesn't appear on google save in reference to dogs. No definition. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on varnas (castes)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Try the Shastras? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Guru Dev on Varnas (castes) http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/upadesh.htm#varnoM Wherever happiness is to be, there nobody is brahmana, is not kshatriya, is not vaishya, is not shudra. In Paramatma there is no difference in anyone, the difference then is in business. Okay, very nice quotes. In fact it says in quintessence, that the important thing is mukti and not varna. But it does not define, who a Brahmana is. Like: The knower of Brahman is Brahman? As I pointed out, Ganapathy Muni and Kapali Shastri think that the Varna system was not hereditary. I pointed out some examples before in the other thread. For example, in the Vedas their were brahmanas etc. But the word used for them was not jati, which is caste in classical Sanskrit. The Veda uses varna, which is the psychological flavour. There is no indication at all in the Vedas, that it was hereditary. My argument was that the scriptures contradict themselves. You said that the guru clarifies. I asked you, were does GD define Brahmana. Now you go back to scripture. You say: Guru Dev just spoke shastra I say: Shastra gives contradictory statements. You say: GD clarifies I ask: were he defines Brahmana You say:Try Shastras Obviously, there's no contradiction! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Men only?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: What is the longest time youse have stayed /uurdhva-retas/(brahmacharin)? Does it become easier after a couple of weeks or so? It took 2 years, in my life, my friend. But then all pictures where gone. It is not a easy matter. For me, it was a spontaneous result of how I lived my life. Why did you WANT to be celibate? And, given your desire to follow MMY's every whim, why did you have to try for 2 years? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 nablus108@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd marwincornyarmand@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Okay, it is time for me to own up. I have sensed Guru Dev behind my research work since way way back, whether it be wandering in the jungle chatting with swamis or trawling the internet or puzzling over the meaning of a rarely used Sanskrit word. I guess I am an unlikely conduit for his teachings, but as far as I am concerned, I work on his behalf. Care for some details on this ? Why do you, some stupid, greedy little fellow who is infamous for writing a redicelous biography of Maharishi, now sensing Guru Dev behind my research... ? Lot's was right in his insesitive wrath in your direction: You are the scambug of this earth; Paul Mason, what you are doing is simple and gross. Why Maharishi cut your scorpion-country off is getting more and more obvious with people like you on board. Obviously, you will reap what you sow. As we all shall. But you, my friend; be prepared for some extras. Okay. I'm now fully convinced that this Nablus fellow is a troll. He's not even a meditator but someone who is out to discredit the TMO and MMY by acting like a complete horse's ass. He sounds more like a fundamentalist Christian with all this fire and brimstone. Perhaps he is Peter from a.m.t. Or Andrew Skolnick playing what he believs to be the role of a TM TBer... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Okay, it is time for me to own up. I have sensed Guru Dev behind my research work since way way back, whether it be wandering in the jungle chatting with swamis or trawling the internet or puzzling over the meaning of a rarely used Sanskrit word. I guess I am an unlikely conduit for his teachings, but as far as I am concerned, I work on his behalf. Are you claiming that Guru Dev wants you to denigrate Maharishi, Paul? * Paul Mason is just confused, so it is pointless to ask about his motives, as he does not understand them. Mason has posted here that TM brings the light, yet he no longer practices TM. All this talk of working for Guru Dev is just an attempt to rationalize his inability to practice a technique which he knows would bring enlightenment. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd marwincornyarmand@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Okay, it is time for me to own up. I have sensed Guru Dev behind my research work since way way back, whether it be wandering in the jungle chatting with swamis or trawling the internet or puzzling over the meaning of a rarely used Sanskrit word. I guess I am an unlikely conduit for his teachings, but as far as I am concerned, I work on his behalf. Care for some details on this ? Why do you, some stupid, greedy little fellow who is infamous for writing a redicelous biography of Maharishi, now sensing Guru Dev behind my research... ? Lot's was right in his insesitive wrath in your direction: You are the scambug of this earth; Paul Mason, what you are doing is simple and gross. Why Maharishi cut your scorpion-country off is getting more and more obvious with people like you on board. Obviously, you will reap what you sow. As we all shall. But you, my friend; be prepared for some extras. Spake Nablus, channeling Peter Klutz. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vision of Guru Dev by MMY? Never heard it before today. Never heard of him 'painting a picture' before, unless you mean colouring a photograph which you mentioned over on the googlegroup many many months back, as I recall. I heard that MMY had a direct inspiration from Gurudev to start teaching. That's quite vague, compared to saw a vision. It also doesn't make sense given MMY's apparently beliefs about how higher states of consciousness work. As far as I can tell, he believes that the images and statues of the devas are allegorical more than faithful visual representations of them. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: What bar are you propping up today? I'm just having a peek into your future my friend. It's spontanous, can't help it. Amend your ways. Why create more karma than necessary. We should long for the opposite. What does amount of karma have to do with anything? Karma is unavoidable. To be alive is to generate infinite amounts. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev
on 8/7/06 4:32 PM, Paul Mason at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been practising transcendental meditation regularly for well over three decades now, but that has not made me a 'true believer'. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Okay, it is time for me to own up. I have sensed Guru Dev behind my research work since way way back, whether it be wandering in the jungle chatting with swamis or trawling the internet or puzzling over the meaning of a rarely used Sanskrit word. I guess I am an unlikely conduit for his teachings, but as far as I am concerned, I work on his behalf. Are you claiming that Guru Dev wants you to denigrate Maharishi, Paul? * Paul Mason is just confused, so it is pointless to ask about his motives, as he does not understand them. Mason has posted here that TM brings the light, yet he no longer practices TM. All this talk of working for Guru Dev is just an attempt to rationalize his inability to practice a technique which he knows would bring enlightenment. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Men only?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kind of amazing how personal some posts are. I appreciate your openness. I learned a new word today: gynophobic, fear of or contempt for women! I'd never write like that using my real name. I think one aspect of my timidity towards women consists of the fact(?) that women probably are less emotional than men, or more accurately, women's emotions have a more pronounced intellectual aspect, that they can use as a weapon when they manipulate men whose emotions are more raw and primitive. :0 To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/7/06 4:32 PM, Paul Mason at premanandpaul@ wrote: I have been practising transcendental meditation regularly for well over three decades now, but that has not made me a 'true believer'. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Okay, it is time for me to own up. I have sensed Guru Dev behind my research work since way way back, whether it be wandering in the jungle chatting with swamis or trawling the internet or puzzling over the meaning of a rarely used Sanskrit word. I guess I am an unlikely conduit for his teachings, but as far as I am concerned, I work on his behalf. Are you claiming that Guru Dev wants you to denigrate Maharishi, Paul? * Paul Mason is just confused, so it is pointless to ask about his motives, as he does not understand them. Mason has posted here that TM brings the light, yet he no longer practices TM. All this talk of working for Guru Dev is just an attempt to rationalize his inability to practice a technique which he knows would bring enlightenment. ** Well, apparently, there is either a semantic problem here (by regular you mean sporadic practice of TM, and not everyday twice a day practice of TM), or you are contradicting what you have posted before to the effect that you do not practice TM every day, and have not practiced TM for long periods of time during that three decades you refer to. The question comes, if you have actually been practicing TM regularly (everyday, twice a day) for more than 30 years, how is it that you still do not believe in the efficacy of TM, but keep trying to insist that Maharishi is not respecting the desire of Guru Dev to enlighten the world by teaching TM, which by your own admission brings the light? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is opening the third eye (Ajna) necessary for enlightenment (CC)?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've only been meditating for 37 years (TM govenor/Siddha...in poor standing)and don't really know...any takers? BillyG. (previous subject line cut off) Hi, I think yes, it probably is, though I had such an experience long before gaining enlightenment. The reason I say probably is that it seems like such a normal and necessary part of functioning once liberation is attained. Performance of the TM-Sidhis really hastened the experience for me. What has your experience been? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Unfortunately, Barry can't deal with teachers who deal in contradictions and have different answers to life's questions, depending on the state of attention or POV that is in operation at the time. snicker cunt. insect. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is passage thru the Ajna Chakra (third eye) necessary for enlightenment (CC)?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've only been meditating for 37 years (TM govenor/Siddha...in poor standing)and don't really know...any takers? BillyG. MMY never discusses Chakras. Good luck with making something up concerning THAT aspect of TM and theory. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev
I have been practising transcendental meditation twice a day since October 1970. Oh a few times when I have been travelling or sick, I guess I went to sleep, did anyone else go there? Oh, and for the sake of research I have experimented with variants of the technique for some days at a time. But there are some who wish to believe that regularity in meditation equals sawing away critical functions of the brain. Strangely that is what opponents of TM believe. It is ironic to get so much flack from those who are actually practising TM. I question the motives of those who misrepresent me on this forum and on other TM-related forums, it is their agenda that ought to be scrutinised, perhaps we will discover who and who is not in the light? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: on 8/7/06 4:32 PM, Paul Mason at premanandpaul@ wrote: I have been practising transcendental meditation regularly for well over three decades now, but that has not made me a 'true believer'. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Okay, it is time for me to own up. I have sensed Guru Dev behind my research work since way way back, whether it be wandering in the jungle chatting with swamis or trawling the internet or puzzling over the meaning of a rarely used Sanskrit word. I guess I am an unlikely conduit for his teachings, but as far as I am concerned, I work on his behalf. Are you claiming that Guru Dev wants you to denigrate Maharishi, Paul? * Paul Mason is just confused, so it is pointless to ask about his motives, as he does not understand them. Mason has posted here that TM brings the light, yet he no longer practices TM. All this talk of working for Guru Dev is just an attempt to rationalize his inability to practice a technique which he knows would bring enlightenment. ** Well, apparently, there is either a semantic problem here (by regular you mean sporadic practice of TM, and not everyday twice a day practice of TM), or you are contradicting what you have posted before to the effect that you do not practice TM every day, and have not practiced TM for long periods of time during that three decades you refer to. The question comes, if you have actually been practicing TM regularly (everyday, twice a day) for more than 30 years, how is it that you still do not believe in the efficacy of TM, but keep trying to insist that Maharishi is not respecting the desire of Guru Dev to enlighten the world by teaching TM, which by your own admission brings the light? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is opening the third eye (Ajna) necessary for enlightenment (CC)?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 no_reply@ wrote: I've only been meditating for 37 years (TM govenor/Siddha...in poor standing)and don't really know...any takers? BillyG. (previous subject line cut off) Hi, I think yes, it probably is, though I had such an experience long before gaining enlightenment. The reason I say probably is that it seems like such a normal and necessary part of functioning once liberation is attained. Performance of the TM-Sidhis really hastened the experience for me. What has your experience been? I have never seen the Ajna Chakra or any other for that matter, but my understanding it is essential as the 'spinal highway' is the only way back to Spirit. (Brahman). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just to clarify, I think Jim's handling his report- ing of his own subjective experiences fairly well. But I have seen other folks, in the Rama trip and others, who *definitely* used their visions of the now-dead teacher to set themselves up as the new teacher, and to develop a fanatical following who hovered around them waiting for the next message from the teacher. And often to pay them a great deal of money for delivering these messages. Glad you approve ;-) As I've said before the only reason I talk about this stuff at all is to let people know it is NORMAL, and one doesn't have to be special in the least for such experiences. That is something that personally confounds me is this very artificial boundary between certain experiences and states of being, and people's perceptions of them. Especially some here who've been meditating forever, ex TM teachers, etc. No big deal. PS if anyone feels like they just have to pay me a great deal of money, hey let me know, and I'll gladly share my address! ;-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been practising transcendental meditation twice a day since October 1970. Oh a few times when I have been travelling or sick, I guess I went to sleep, did anyone else go there? Oh, and for the sake of research I have experimented with variants of the technique for some days at a time. But there are some who wish to believe that regularity in meditation equals sawing away critical functions of the brain. Strangely that is what opponents of TM believe. It is ironic to get so much flack from those who are actually practising TM. I question the motives of those who misrepresent me on this forum and on other TM-related forums, it is their agenda that ought to be scrutinised, perhaps we will discover who and who is not in the light? What the hell is a variant of TM? There's zero and non-zero, how many other variations are there? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of Guru Dev
Correction: for the record I dropped practice for a few weeks after seeing the look in MMYs eyes whilst standing near him in Royal Albert Hall London in the mid-1970's. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been practising transcendental meditation twice a day since October 1970. Oh a few times when I have been travelling or sick, I guess I went to sleep, did anyone else go there? Oh, and for the sake of research I have experimented with variants of the technique for some days at a time. But there are some who wish to believe that regularity in meditation equals sawing away critical functions of the brain. Strangely that is what opponents of TM believe. It is ironic to get so much flack from those who are actually practising TM. I question the motives of those who misrepresent me on this forum and on other TM-related forums, it is their agenda that ought to be scrutinised, perhaps we will discover who and who is not in the light? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: on 8/7/06 4:32 PM, Paul Mason at premanandpaul@ wrote: I have been practising transcendental meditation regularly for well over three decades now, but that has not made me a 'true believer'. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Okay, it is time for me to own up. I have sensed Guru Dev behind my research work since way way back, whether it be wandering in the jungle chatting with swamis or trawling the internet or puzzling over the meaning of a rarely used Sanskrit word. I guess I am an unlikely conduit for his teachings, but as far as I am concerned, I work on his behalf. Are you claiming that Guru Dev wants you to denigrate Maharishi, Paul? * Paul Mason is just confused, so it is pointless to ask about his motives, as he does not understand them. Mason has posted here that TM brings the light, yet he no longer practices TM. All this talk of working for Guru Dev is just an attempt to rationalize his inability to practice a technique which he knows would bring enlightenment. ** Well, apparently, there is either a semantic problem here (by regular you mean sporadic practice of TM, and not everyday twice a day practice of TM), or you are contradicting what you have posted before to the effect that you do not practice TM every day, and have not practiced TM for long periods of time during that three decades you refer to. The question comes, if you have actually been practicing TM regularly (everyday, twice a day) for more than 30 years, how is it that you still do not believe in the efficacy of TM, but keep trying to insist that Maharishi is not respecting the desire of Guru Dev to enlighten the world by teaching TM, which by your own admission brings the light? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
