[FairfieldLife] Re: About the: new Invincible America course re

2006-11-17 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wasn't thinking. My apologies to all of those whose daily cheap thrill comes from FFL. :-) And what is so bad about a cheap thrill? Well, Frank Zappa wrote about Cheap Thrills, and now he's dead. Be warned.

[FairfieldLife] Re: About the: new Invincible America course re

2006-11-17 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: I wasn't thinking. My apologies to all of those whose daily cheap thrill comes from FFL. :-) And what is so bad about a cheap

[FairfieldLife] Re: Exploder 7

2006-11-17 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Vaj wrote: On Nov 16, 2006, at 12:43 PM, Bhairitu wrote: cardemaister wrote: How do you like Internet Exploder 7? For some reason

[FairfieldLife] Re: Defender of the faith as addiction

2006-11-17 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I come across a lot of angry wisdom drivers on the Capital Beltway. They pound on their dashes and point to other drivers as if every lane change is a personal attack on them. I have heard that road rage is a

[FairfieldLife] Sanitizing the Fairfield Story

2006-11-17 Thread dhamiltony2k5
FF essayist Thom Krystofiak, who used to write frequently and post on FFL, has a piece published in this week's FF Weekly Reader. Entitled Sanitizing the Fairfield Story. About the pr-people of the TMorg taking the Washington Post's glowing uncritical article about Maharishi's MUM, Vedic

[FairfieldLife] Re: Defender of the faith as addiction

2006-11-17 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Marek, I have nothing but respect for the intent behind your experiment here, and for you. However, part of me remembers all those 1950s horror movies where some well- meaning fool enters into a deal with the devil

[FairfieldLife] Re: Defender of the faith as addiction

2006-11-17 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: I marvel that the two of you see the possiblility that this situation could change. I see no possibility of this. But, can you

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jody from Guruphiliac blog on TM

2006-11-17 Thread Vaj
On Nov 16, 2006, at 5:55 PM, Bhairitu wrote: Of course you have, Vaj. How many Buddhist meditation studies have been published, BTW? There are many meditation programs doing just fine without bothering with scientific studies. That seems to be a TMO hangup. Precisely. And the hangup of

[FairfieldLife] FFL : Defender of the faith as addiction

2006-11-17 Thread dhamiltony2k5
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: And I offer to assist Marek. And Judy, you gotta know by now, I am far from blind to unsubstantiated assertions, character assaults How

[FairfieldLife] Another anger problem

2006-11-17 Thread authfriend
November 17, 2006 Clever Bonobo Triggers Fire Alarm, Again By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS Filed at 7:57 a.m. ET DES MOINES, Iowa (AP) -- Panbanisha the bonobo is up to her tricks again. For the second time in as many months, the ape triggered a fire alarm at the Great Ape Trust of Iowa research

[FairfieldLife] Regaining the Sparkle of FFL

2006-11-17 Thread new . morning
FFL Guidelines This group has long maintained a thoughtful and considerate tone. Please refrain from personal attacks, insults and excessive venting. Speak the truth that is sweet is a worthy aspiration. If angry, take some time to gain composure before writing or pushing the send button. Turq:

Re: [FairfieldLife] Sanitizing the Fairfield Story

2006-11-17 Thread Vaj
On Nov 17, 2006, at 8:02 AM, dhamiltony2k5 wrote: FF essayist Thom Krystofiak, who used to write frequently and post on FFL, has a piece published in this week's FF Weekly Reader. Entitled Sanitizing the Fairfield Story. About the pr-people of the TMorg taking the Washington Post's glowing

[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL : Defender of the faith as addiction

2006-11-17 Thread new . morning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: And I offer to assist Marek. And Judy, you gotta know by now,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Jody from Guruphiliac blog on TM

2006-11-17 Thread new . morning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 16, 2006, at 5:55 PM, Bhairitu wrote: Of course you have, Vaj. How many Buddhist meditation studies have been published, BTW? There are many meditation programs doing just fine without bothering with

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Art of Living vs. TM technique

2006-11-17 Thread Vaj
On Nov 17, 2006, at 1:07 AM, sparaig wrote: Just as you get it about TM? What is there to get? It's pretty f*cking simple.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Regaining the Sparkle of FFL

2006-11-17 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FFL Guidelines This group has long maintained a thoughtful and considerate tone. Please refrain from personal attacks, insults and excessive venting. Speak the truth that is sweet is a worthy aspiration. If angry,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Defender of the faith as addiction

2006-11-17 Thread llundrub
Barry Wright, Master of Projection such hate=such love. soul mates brought together through the aethers. can't live without each other. such a pure love was never seen on earth before. pure ideation without physicality. i'm sort of jealous of you two. i mean no remarks either of you

[FairfieldLife] Re: Sanitizing the Fairfield Story

2006-11-17 Thread markmeredith2002
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FF essayist Thom Krystofiak, who used to write frequently and post on FFL, has a piece published in this week's FF Weekly Reader. Entitled Sanitizing the Fairfield Story. About the pr-people of the TMorg taking

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Art of Living vs. TM technique

2006-11-17 Thread Vaj
On Nov 17, 2006, at 1:09 AM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Nov 16, 2006, at 7:01 PM, Peter wrote: When you start hanging out with SSRS it's a whole

[FairfieldLife] Re: Sanitizing the Fairfield Story

2006-11-17 Thread new . morning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 17, 2006, at 8:02 AM, dhamiltony2k5 wrote: Seems pretty clear they're willing to sanitize *anything*, even research they claim is scientific. While the sanitizing is a reflection of humorous victorian

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About the: new Invincible America course re

2006-11-17 Thread Vaj
On Nov 17, 2006, at 2:26 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote: I wasn't thinking. My apologies to all of those whose daily cheap thrill comes from FFL. :-) And what is so bad about a cheap thrill? In TM there is no such thing as a cheap thrill, it's all pricey. I strongly suspect cheap thrills may

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Regaining the Sparkle of FFL

2006-11-17 Thread llundrub
Dude, it was *not* an insult. It was my honest opinion of what would happen (at least psyho- logically)if she were deprived of the outlet she uses to express her anger. -I don't know if I perceive Judy as angry. At any rate, I consider Judy the only AMT to have shown development over

[FairfieldLife] article on Peace Palace lands in Ohio

2006-11-17 Thread george_deforest
Yogi's group chooses 3 Cuyahoga sites for 'Peace Palaces' Friday, November 17, 2006 Joan Mazzolini, Plain Dealer Reporter The movement founded by the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi plans to build what it calls Peace Palaces in Parma, Strongsville and Mayfield Heights, hoping to further its goal of world

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sanitizing the Fairfield Story

2006-11-17 Thread Vaj
On Nov 17, 2006, at 9:06 AM, new.morning wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 17, 2006, at 8:02 AM, dhamiltony2k5 wrote: Seems pretty clear they're willing to sanitize *anything*, even research they claim is scientific. While the

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Art of Living vs. TM technique

2006-11-17 Thread llundrub
Easier than masturbasting and that's pretty simple. - Original Message - From: Vaj To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 7:59 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Art of Living vs. TM technique On Nov 17, 2006, at 1:07 AM, sparaig wrote:

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jody from Guruphiliac blog on TM

2006-11-17 Thread Vaj
On Nov 17, 2006, at 8:51 AM, new.morning wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 16, 2006, at 5:55 PM, Bhairitu wrote: Of course you have, Vaj. How many Buddhist meditation studies have been published, BTW? There are many meditation programs

[FairfieldLife] Re: About the: new Invincible America course re

2006-11-17 Thread jyouells2000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 17, 2006, at 2:26 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote: I wasn't thinking. My apologies to all of those whose daily cheap thrill comes from FFL. :-) And what is so bad about a cheap thrill? In TM there is no such

[FairfieldLife] Re: About the: new Invincible America course re

2006-11-17 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 17, 2006, at 2:26 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote: I wasn't thinking. My apologies to all of those whose daily cheap thrill comes from FFL. :-) And what is so bad about a cheap thrill? In TM there is no such

[FairfieldLife] Re: Regaining the Sparkle of FFL

2006-11-17 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dude, it was *not* an insult. It was my honest opinion of what would happen (at least psyho- logically)if she were deprived of the outlet she uses to express her anger. -I don't know if I perceive Judy as

[FairfieldLife] Re: Sanitizing the Fairfield Story

2006-11-17 Thread ffia1120
See post #123366 for the story as it appeared in the Weekly Reader. (one typo -- paragraph 5 should say The Post reporter.. not report.) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: Defender of the faith as addiction

2006-11-17 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Falsely putting the debate in gender and sexual terms, adds fuel for further false stereotyping. If a false man/woman bickering model is established, its one or two steps closer for some (great minds) to fall

[FairfieldLife] TMO Orgainzational Objectives and Resulting Business and Pricing Strategies

2006-11-17 Thread new . morning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 17, 2006, at 2:26 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote: I wasn't thinking. My apologies to all of those whose daily cheap thrill comes from FFL. :-) And what is so bad about a cheap thrill? In TM there is no such

[FairfieldLife] Re: Sanitizing the Fairfield Story

2006-11-17 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 17, 2006, at 8:02 AM, dhamiltony2k5 wrote: FF essayist Thom Krystofiak, who used to write frequently and post on FFL, has a piece published in this week's FF Weekly Reader. Entitled Sanitizing the Fairfield

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Defender of the faith as addiction

2006-11-17 Thread llundrub
Next time you're having sex, try to get over the stereotyping ;) - Original Message - From: new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 9:00 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Defender of the faith as addiction llundrub, I know you

[FairfieldLife] Re: Art of Living vs. TM technique

2006-11-17 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 17, 2006, at 1:07 AM, sparaig wrote: Just as you get it about TM? What is there to get? It's pretty f*cking simple. Neither simple nor complex. And you keep claiming that shamatha is the same as TM. Here's

[FairfieldLife] Re: Jody from Guruphiliac blog on TM

2006-11-17 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 16, 2006, at 5:55 PM, Bhairitu wrote: Of course you have, Vaj. How many Buddhist meditation studies have been published, BTW? There are many meditation programs doing just fine without bothering with

[FairfieldLife] Re: Art of Living vs. TM technique

2006-11-17 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 17, 2006, at 1:09 AM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Nov 16, 2006, at

[FairfieldLife] Re: article on Peace Palace lands in Ohio

2006-11-17 Thread jyouells2000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, george_deforest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yogi's group chooses 3 Cuyahoga sites for 'Peace Palaces' Friday, November 17, 2006 Joan Mazzolini, Plain Dealer Reporter The movement founded by the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi plans to build what it calls Peace

[FairfieldLife] Re: Defender of the faith as addiction

2006-11-17 Thread new . morning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Next time you're having sex, try to get over the stereotyping ;) No, that would be silly. Just as silly as bringing sexual models into intellectual discussions -- and casting, at least implicitly -- some posts as needing

[FairfieldLife] Re: Sanitizing the Fairfield Story

2006-11-17 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Nov 17, 2006, at 8:02 AM, dhamiltony2k5 wrote: Seems pretty clear they're willing to sanitize *anything*, even research they claim is

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Art of Living vs. TM technique

2006-11-17 Thread Vaj
On Nov 17, 2006, at 10:46 AM, sparaig wrote: Neither simple nor complex. And you keep claiming that shamatha is the same as TM. Here's what an apparently famous Shamatha advocate says about shamatha. He, at least, has the excuse that he never learned TM: gracious snip No that's NOT

[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Orgainzational Objectives and Resulting Business and Pricing Strategies

2006-11-17 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Nov 17, 2006, at 2:26 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote: I wasn't thinking. My apologies to all of those whose daily cheap thrill comes from FFL.

Re: [FairfieldLife] TMO Orgainzational Objectives and Resulting Business and Pricing Strategies

2006-11-17 Thread Vaj
On Nov 17, 2006, at 10:45 AM, new.morning wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 17, 2006, at 2:26 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote: I wasn't thinking. My apologies to all of those whose daily cheap thrill comes from FFL. :-) And what is so bad

[FairfieldLife] Re: Sanitizing the Fairfield Story

2006-11-17 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 17, 2006, at 9:06 AM, new.morning wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Nov 17, 2006, at 8:02 AM, dhamiltony2k5 wrote: Seems pretty clear they're willing to

[FairfieldLife] Re: Jody from Guruphiliac blog on TM

2006-11-17 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 17, 2006, at 8:51 AM, new.morning wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Nov 16, 2006, at 5:55 PM, Bhairitu wrote: Of course you have, Vaj. How many Buddhist meditation

Re: [FairfieldLife] Art of Living vs. TM technique

2006-11-17 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 11/15/06 11:09:19 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: called the Art of Living center in Boulder Colorado and spoke with an individual who said that the Art of Living meditation technique is different than the TM technique. He also said that there is

[FairfieldLife] Re: Jody from Guruphiliac blog on TM

2006-11-17 Thread new . morning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 17, 2006, at 8:51 AM, new.morning wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Nov 16, 2006, at 5:55 PM, Bhairitu wrote: Of course you have, Vaj. How many Buddhist meditation

[FairfieldLife] Re: Art of Living vs. TM technique

2006-11-17 Thread Marek Reavis
Comment below: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 17, 2006, at 10:46 AM, sparaig wrote: Neither simple nor complex. And you keep claiming that shamatha is the same as TM. Here's what an apparently famous Shamatha advocate says about

[FairfieldLife] Re: About the: new Invincible America course re

2006-11-17 Thread curtisdeltablues
Judy:I think you mean Curtis's (exceptionally dishonest) attack on me, don't you? You know, the one in which he equated angry wisdom with road rage in order to demean it, and suggested that my purported anger was equally psychologically unbalanced as the anger of drivers who attack drivers with

[FairfieldLife] Re: Art of Living vs. TM technique

2006-11-17 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Comment below: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Nov 17, 2006, at 10:46 AM, sparaig wrote: Neither simple nor complex. And you keep claiming that shamatha is the same

[FairfieldLife] Re: Art of Living vs. TM technique

2006-11-17 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 11/15/06 11:09:19 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: called the Art of Living center in Boulder Colorado and spoke with an individual who said that the Art of Living meditation

[FairfieldLife] Putting Road Rage to Rest

2006-11-17 Thread new . morning
So each of you have made your case. And rebuttals. Each of your POV's, facts, transcripts, etc., is fully in the public record. All those readers who are eager to clarify, in their own minds, who said what -- or implied, inferred and/or meant what in their hearts, have abundant resources to do so.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Art of Living vs. TM technique

2006-11-17 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 17, 2006, at 10:46 AM, sparaig wrote: Neither simple nor complex. And you keep claiming that shamatha is the same as TM. Here's what an apparently famous Shamatha advocate says about shamatha. He, at least,

[FairfieldLife] Re: About the: new Invincible America course re

2006-11-17 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Judy:I think you mean Curtis's (exceptionally dishonest) attack on me, don't you? You know, the one in which he equated angry wisdom with road rage in order to demean it, and suggested that my purported anger was

Re: [FairfieldLife] Thanks to those who mentioned Heroes

2006-11-17 Thread Bhairitu
TurquoiseB wrote: I've been downloading the series from the Internet and watching it. It's not nearly as well-cast as Lost and the writing is not even in the same ballpark of excellence as Firefly, but it's a lot of fun, a guilty pleasure, sorta like reading a comic book. I like Hiro; he's

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Art of Living vs. TM technique

2006-11-17 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 11/17/06 11:33:39 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mark, have you ever gotten any TM advanced techniques? A couple of points: the description of advanced techniques I see is verbotten by MMY because it destroys innocence. The specific

[FairfieldLife] Re: About the: new Invincible America course re

2006-11-17 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Judy:I think you mean Curtis's (exceptionally dishonest) attack on me, don't you? You know, the one in which he equated angry wisdom with road rage in order to demean it, and suggested that my purported anger was

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jody from Guruphiliac blog on TM

2006-11-17 Thread Bhairitu
new.morning wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 16, 2006, at 5:55 PM, Bhairitu wrote: Of course you have, Vaj. How many Buddhist meditation studies have been published, BTW? There are many meditation programs doing just

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Art of Living vs. TM technique

2006-11-17 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 11/17/06 11:33:39 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: called the Art of Living center in Boulder Colorado and spoke with an individual who said that the Art of Living meditation technique is different than the TM technique. He also said that there

[FairfieldLife] Re: About the: new Invincible America course re

2006-11-17 Thread curtisdeltablues
Thanks Jim. As New Morning's post indicated I have perhaps beaten this horse to death, then followed it into another incarnation, and then beaten it to death again. I was just out in the field looking suspiciously at a few new born colts when I was reminded that the madness stops when I stop it.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jody from Guruphiliac blog on TM

2006-11-17 Thread Vaj
On Nov 17, 2006, at 10:37 AM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 16, 2006, at 5:55 PM, Bhairitu wrote: Of course you have, Vaj. How many Buddhist meditation studies have been published, BTW? There are many meditation programs

[FairfieldLife] Misusing Science and its Coattails

2006-11-17 Thread new . morning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems that people want to measure everything and stand by statements that *appear* scientific. As someone who has a background in science it is quite laughable and I know many other scientists who feel the same way.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Art of Living vs. TM technique

2006-11-17 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are literally hundreds of different styles of Shamatha. zamatham. quiet, tranquillity, rest, calm, peace; cessation, extinction. (HK 'z' = 'sh') (HK:n Sininen, Suomen suosituin makkara?)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Art of Living vs. TM technique

2006-11-17 Thread Vaj
On Nov 17, 2006, at 11:40 AM, Marek Reavis wrote: Reading Sparaig's excerpt from the Shamatha teacher, it seemed to me to be, in essence, a verbose description of what Maharishi was able to succinctly capture in his teaching of an effortless meditation. But even Maharishi described his

[FairfieldLife] Re: About the: new Invincible America course re

2006-11-17 Thread new . morning
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/123495 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Judy:I think you mean Curtis's (exceptionally dishonest) attack on me,

[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Orgainzational Objectives and Resulting Business and Pricing Strategies

2006-11-17 Thread jyouells2000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Nov 17, 2006, at 2:26 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote: I wasn't

[FairfieldLife] Re: About the: new Invincible America course re

2006-11-17 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Jim. As New Morning's post indicated I have perhaps beaten this horse to death, then followed it into another incarnation, and then beaten it to death again. I was just out in the field looking

[FairfieldLife] Re: About the: new Invincible America course re

2006-11-17 Thread new . morning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Jim. As New Morning's post indicated I have perhaps beaten this horse to death, As you know, I am sure, I am not picking on you or isolating you. Your post was just an opportunity to bring the stench of

[FairfieldLife] Re: Art of Living vs. TM technique

2006-11-17 Thread jyouells2000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 11/15/06 11:09:19 P.M. Central Standard Time, msilver1951@ writes: called the Art of Living center in Boulder Colorado and spoke

[FairfieldLife] Re: About the: new Invincible America course re

2006-11-17 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Hi Curtis, yep, that's why I didn't reply to Judy's response- life is too short. I have always found that you write in a clear and unequivocal way, and I saw that with your original post about 'angry

[FairfieldLife] Re: About the: new Invincible America course re

2006-11-17 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Jim. As New Morning's post indicated I have perhaps beaten this horse to death, then followed it into another incarnation, and then beaten it to death again. I was just out in the field looking

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Art of Living vs. TM technique

2006-11-17 Thread Vaj
On Nov 17, 2006, at 12:16 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 17, 2006, at 10:46 AM, sparaig wrote: Neither simple nor complex. And you keep claiming that shamatha is the same as TM. Here's what an apparently famous Shamatha

[FairfieldLife] Re: About the: new Invincible America course re

2006-11-17 Thread curtisdeltablues
Literally? Do you live on a horse ranch? No, I was just getting caught up in my own analogy like a good little Ex TM teacher! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Orgainzational Objectives and Resulting Business and Pricing Strategies

2006-11-17 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: snip I agree that the goal of the TMO is no longer to provide cheap meditation for everyone, but more in line of what you mention, like it or

[FairfieldLife] Re: Art of Living vs. TM technique

2006-11-17 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 17, 2006, at 11:40 AM, Marek Reavis wrote: Reading Sparaig's excerpt from the Shamatha teacher, it seemed to me to be, in essence, a verbose description of what Maharishi was able to succinctly capture in his

[FairfieldLife] Re: Art of Living vs. TM technique

2006-11-17 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 17, 2006, at 12:16 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Nov 17, 2006, at 10:46 AM, sparaig wrote: Neither simple nor complex. And you keep claiming that

[FairfieldLife] Re: About the: new Invincible America course re

2006-11-17 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Thanks Jim. As New Morning's post indicated I have perhaps beaten this horse to death, then followed it into another incarnation,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Art of Living vs. TM technique

2006-11-17 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 11/15/06 11:09:19 P.M. Central Standard Time, msilver1951@

[FairfieldLife] Re: Art of Living vs. TM technique

2006-11-17 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 17, 2006, at 12:16 PM, sparaig wrote: snip Well, so this guy's description of Shamatha certainly doesn't sound like TM. Whose description of Shamatha does? If it sounded like it, it would be like it? Is that

[FairfieldLife] Re: About the: new Invincible America course re

2006-11-17 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: snip Hi Curtis, yep, that's why I didn't reply to Judy's response- life is too short. I have always found that you write in a clear and

[FairfieldLife] Re: Jody from Guruphiliac blog on TM

2006-11-17 Thread nablusos108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Nov 17, 2006, at 8:51 AM, new.morning wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Nov 16, 2006, at 5:55 PM,

[FairfieldLife] Re: About the: new Invincible America course re

2006-11-17 Thread curtisdeltablues
It's been a rainy day in the south of France. The level of the river outside my window has risen two meters since morning. But the rain has stopped and the stars have come out and I'm about to go out for a walk with my best friend, and then take her to dinner. Life is good. What is a typical

[FairfieldLife] Re: About the: new Invincible America course re

2006-11-17 Thread TurquoiseB
Sometimes I'm the windshield and sometimes I'm the bug! Is that from the Shiva-Sutras? Close. Mark Knopfler.

[FairfieldLife] Re: About the: new Invincible America course re

2006-11-17 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Thanks Jim. As New Morning's post indicated I have perhaps

[FairfieldLife] Re: About the: new Invincible America course re

2006-11-17 Thread jyouells2000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Thanks Jim. As New Morning's post indicated I have perhaps beaten this horse to death, As you know, I am sure, I am not picking on

[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Orgainzational Objectives and Resulting Business and Pricing Strategies

2006-11-17 Thread jyouells2000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: snip I agree that the goal of the TMO is no longer to provide cheap

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Art of Living vs. TM technique

2006-11-17 Thread Vaj
On Nov 17, 2006, at 1:46 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 17, 2006, at 11:40 AM, Marek Reavis wrote: Reading Sparaig's excerpt from the Shamatha teacher, it seemed to me to be, in essence, a verbose description of what

[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO Orgainzational Objectives and Resulting Business and Pricing Strategies

2006-11-17 Thread jyouells2000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: snip I agree that the goal of the TMO is no longer to provide cheap

[FairfieldLife] Re: Art of Living vs. TM technique

2006-11-17 Thread jyouells2000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message

[FairfieldLife] Re: Art of Living vs. TM technique

2006-11-17 Thread nablusos108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 11/15/06 11:09:19 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: called the Art of Living center in Boulder Colorado and spoke with an individual who said that the Art of Living meditation

[FairfieldLife] Re: About the: new Invincible America course re

2006-11-17 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Nothing 'exceptionally dishonest' about it- where *that* coloring came from I don't know...and don't *want* to know... That's the problem, you *don't want to know*. My mind is made up, don't confuse

[FairfieldLife] Re: Art of Living vs. TM technique

2006-11-17 Thread nablusos108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Comment below: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Nov 17, 2006, at 10:46 AM, sparaig wrote: Neither simple nor complex. And you keep claiming that shamatha is the same

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Art of Living vs. TM technique

2006-11-17 Thread Vaj
On Nov 17, 2006, at 1:48 PM, sparaig wrote: Well, so this guy's description of Shamatha certainly doesn't sound like TM. Whose description of Shamatha does? If it sounded like it, it would be like it? Is that your reasoning? I still think you could have a future as a TM standup comedian.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Art of Living vs. TM technique

2006-11-17 Thread nablusos108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: researchers into TM have. There's no decision-making to reduce activity of the thalamus. Your body just spontaneously goes and sits down to meditate? That actually explains a lot. In what way ?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Art of Living vs. TM technique

2006-11-17 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I've gone on at length at various times to attempt to explain it to you, but you were either not willing to do so or not capable of leaving your mindset to understand it, and instead preferred semantical games. Vaj,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Art of Living vs. TM technique

2006-11-17 Thread Vaj
On Nov 17, 2006, at 10:46 AM, sparaig wrote: If we use mindfulness and awareness properly in our meditation, our mind will become tranquil. There are two main obstacles to the tranquility of the mind. One is becoming too relaxed and the other is becoming too tense. When we become too

[FairfieldLife] Pathological Skepticism

2006-11-17 Thread new . morning
i came across this term, and at first thought it a great and interesting phrase. The more I read, the more that it appears to apply to more than a few posts and assertions made here. -- The expressions pseudoskepticism (sometimes pseudo-skepticism) and pathological skepticism are

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Defender of the faith as addiction

2006-11-17 Thread Vaj
On Nov 17, 2006, at 2:24 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: Marek, I have nothing but respect for the intent behind your experiment here, and for you. However, part of me remembers all those 1950s horror movies where some well- meaning fool enters into a deal with the devil for the noble purpose of helping

[FairfieldLife] Re: About the: new Invincible America course re

2006-11-17 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's been a rainy day in the south of France. The level of the river outside my window has risen two meters since morning. But the rain has stopped and the stars have come out and I'm about to go out for a walk

[FairfieldLife] Re: Art of Living vs. TM technique

2006-11-17 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Really, since the alt.tm diaspora it's been impossible to share anything of any real depth in regards to meditation other than the basics. Why cast pearls? What he said. And I blame myself, for mentioning FFL on a.m.t.

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