[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO community?

2007-01-20 Thread sparaig

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ 
  wrote:
  
   
   On Jan 19, 2007, at 9:59 PM, m2smart4u2000 wrote:
Why doesn't anyone ever name names on this site. Who is dying and
who shot themselves?
   
   M2, you're on campus, right?  Heard anything about any suicides?  I 
   haven't, and there hasn't been anything in the papers either.   
  Would 
   definitely be front-page news in a town this size.
  
  I think this rumor may have been started by
  Knapp on his blog:
  
  Sad News: Possible MUM Suicide
   
  Posted by John M. Knapp, LMSW at 1/19/2007 10:36:00 AM 
  
  We have received a report this morning that a Maharishi University of 
  Management recently committed suicide by a shot to the head. We hope 
  to confirm this report this morning. We express condolences to the 
  family and friends of the deceased.
 

Seems to me that these happened in the past 5 or TEN years, not the last 1 or 
2...


Follow Up on Rumored MUM Suicide January 2007
Posted by Gina at 1/20/2007 01:42:00 AM
My good friend in Fairfield checked with TM village criers. There is no word 
about a 
recent suicide on MUM campus.

She said they calmly responded, THAT one is just a rumor. They continued with 
their 
cafe' dinner. Suicides and other tragic stories of medical  financial neglect 
are common 
features of TM Organization life.

Then she offered, but do you want to know about our community suicides of the 
last year 
or two? .. one woman put her head in an oven, another man hanged himself in his 
basement, and someone jumped in front of a moving train. It's all so sad.



[FairfieldLife] Re: Another Nisargadatta quote

2007-01-20 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 The ordinary man is personally concerned, he counts his 
 risks and chances, while the gnani remains aloof, sure 
 that all will happen as it must; and it does not matter 
 much what happens, for ultimately the return to balance 
 and harmony is inevitable. The heart of things is at peace.

Nice. I always liked this gem from Lao-tzu:

A good traveler has no fixed plans
and is not intent upon arriving.


Road Trip Mind, in only 13 words.





[FairfieldLife] Re: Another Nisargadatta quote

2007-01-20 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis reavismarek@
 wrote:
 
  The ordinary man is personally concerned, he counts his 
  risks and chances, while the gnani remains aloof, sure 
  that all will happen as it must; and it does not matter 
  much what happens, for ultimately the return to balance 
  and harmony is inevitable. The heart of things is at peace.
 
 Nice. I always liked this gem from Lao-tzu:
 
 A good traveler has no fixed plans
 and is not intent upon arriving.
 
 
 Road Trip Mind, in only 13 words.


No matter where you go, there you are...



[FairfieldLife] Re: Another Nisargadatta quote

2007-01-20 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, qntmpkt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 ---
 But I disagree with the previous linethat it doesn't 
 matter what happens. It does matter!(things - the fact 
 that people are suffering, in the relative sense).  

And, even in the relative sense, do YOU have the
ability to end their suffering? 

The statement reflects a certain state of attention,
and well. Because knowledge is structured in 
consciousness, that state of attention may appear
to be erroneous if you're looking at it from another
state of consciousness. But from within its own, it
is a state without ego, even the ego that says, I
must work to end the suffering of others. To para-
phrase what Krishna said to Arjuna, You didn't
create these people's suffering; what makes you 
think you have the power to end it?

 The typical Neo-Advaita motto is  I don't know 
 and I don't care...(that's THEIR perspective.). 

I've never met a Neo-Advaitan who felt this way. I
might suggest that this could be your view of what 
they think, from your current state of attention.

 What's yours?

That ultimately there is no return to balance and
harmony, because there has never been a moment in
history when things were *not* balanced and in 
harmony. They may not appear that way to those in
some states of attention, but essentially there is
nothing but enlightenment in the universe, and there
never has been anything but enlightenment in the
universe. Where's to go? What's to do?

From one point of view, that is. From others, one
can believe this thoroughly and still count his risks
and chances, just for fun.  :-)

 [EMAIL PROTECTED], Marek Reavis reavismarek@ wrote:
 
  The ordinary man is personally concerned, he counts his risks 
  and chances, while the gnani remains aloof, sure that all will 
  happen as it must; and it does not matter much what happens, 
  for ultimately the return to balance and harmony is inevitable.
  The heart of things is at peace.





[FairfieldLife] Re: Another Nisargadatta quote

2007-01-20 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 But, surely all *will* happen as it must.  The term all 
 certainly includes our emotions, our morality, our cultural 
 motiv, right? Nothing is separate from anything or everything.
 The sense of outrage you display (and any actions you take, 
 so prompted by it) are  also inseparable threads in the 
 fabric of all.  You will act as you must. We all do. 
 That's all.

Good answer. The only change I'd make to the above
to agree with it is a search operation on the word 
'must,' replacing it with 'will.'

It is possible to believe that everything is perfect
(on some level) at every moment, while not believing
that that perfection was designed or predestined. It
could have an operating system of chaos and still 
be perfect, or it could have an operating system 
of karma + free will (not quite chaos but close, in
effect) and still be perfect.

As I suggested before, the reaction or overreaction
of some people to such statements as Nisargadatta's
is (IMO) based on trying to suss the reality of 
one state of attention from another. There is not
just one reality; there are as many as there are
states of attention, each different, each perfect
(on some level) unto itself, each valid. All I'm 
suggesting is that one doesn't have to believe 
that these states of attention are hierarchical,
with Unity being the highest and thus the best
or the real reality. All of them coexist at all
times, none of them highest, none of them best,
all of them perfect.





[FairfieldLife] Re: Llundrub coward

2007-01-20 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 What a loser you are Llundrub. You really should apologize 
 for your attack on me. You are always making cowardly attacks 
 like a looser grumpy old bastard. You, GW Bush, and Dick 
 Cheney should get in the Jaccuzzi together and get close and 
 personal, because Southern cowards like you belong together. 
 I'd like to see you say any of that cowardly sh!t to my my 
 face you non-Buddhist, non-TM'r, non-spiritual, non-entity, 
 grunting animal coward.

Looks like Off is drunk again.

Or at least that's what he would say if he
encountered a similar post made by anyone
else.

:-)





[FairfieldLife] Re: TM-Free Blog: Versions of the Age of Enlightenment Techniques

2007-01-20 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, taskcentered [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 snip
 The Age of Enlightenment techniques were taught on the legendary 
 6-Month Courses of the Transcendental Meditation Orgs in the 
 mid '70s.
 
 Beside being a historical curiosity, the many versions taught 
 point to a savage, even criminal, flaw in the Maharishi as a 
 guru. He's just making this stuff up as he goes along. 

Just as a question, John, what makes you think that
*all* gurus -- even the best of them -- weren't making 
much of what they taught up as they went along? 

Those raised within a strict tradition may have parroted
the teachings of the tradition, but history is full of
stories like Ramana Maharshi's, in which he had no
tradition to fall back on, or Buddha's, in which he
was expressly rejecting the tradition he came from. 
Where then did their teachings come from?

Having made it up doesn't make a teaching useless, let 
alone criminal. *Not working* is what makes one useless.





[FairfieldLife] 'Israel Gets Ready for the Bomb'

2007-01-20 Thread Robert Gimbel
Friday, Jan. 19, 2007 11:10 a.m. EST   Israel Readies Nuclear Bunker  The 
Israeli government is building a massive war bunker in the hills outside 
Jerusalem – a refuge for top government officials in the event of a biological, 
chemical or nuclear attack. The maze of tunnels and underground rooms is 
scheduled to be completed in the next year or two as fears of an attack from 
Iran intensify, the Baltimore Sun reported. Israel’s top intelligence 
officer told the Knesset last month that Iran could have a nuclear weapon by 
2009, and Israelis increasingly fear that Tehran would seek to carry out 
Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s threat to wipe Israel off the map.”
 Ephraim Sneh, Israel’s deputy defense minister, said recently regarding Iran: 
Imagine that this regime – the powerhouse of terrorism in the region, with its 
ambitions of expansion and domination of the entire region – would have the 
power of nuclear blackmail. What would life in this region look
 like? Not only [for] Israel, but other countries as well.”   A November poll 
by the Israeli newspaper Maariv found that 66 percent of Israelis believe Iran, 
if it develops a nuclear weapon, would try to use a bomb to destroy Israel.








 
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[FairfieldLife] 'Israel Gets Ready for the Bomb'

2007-01-20 Thread Robert Gimbel
Friday, Jan. 19, 2007 11:10 a.m. EST   Israel Readies Nuclear Bunker  The 
Israeli government is building a massive war bunker in the hills outside 
Jerusalem – a refuge for top government officials in the event of a biological, 
chemical or nuclear attack. The maze of tunnels and underground rooms is 
scheduled to be completed in the next year or two as fears of an attack from 
Iran intensify, the Baltimore Sun reported. Israel’s top intelligence 
officer told the Knesset last month that Iran could have a nuclear weapon by 
2009, and Israelis increasingly fear that Tehran would seek to carry out 
Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s threat to wipe Israel off the map.”
 Ephraim Sneh, Israel’s deputy defense minister, said recently regarding Iran: 
Imagine that this regime – the powerhouse of terrorism in the region, with its 
ambitions of expansion and domination of the entire region – would have the 
power of nuclear blackmail. What would life in this region look
 like? Not only [for] Israel, but other countries as well.”   A November poll 
by the Israeli newspaper Maariv found that 66 percent of Israelis believe Iran, 
if it develops a nuclear weapon, would try to use a bomb to destroy Israel.

 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO community?

2007-01-20 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, m2smart4u2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Why doesn't anyone ever name names on this site. Who is  
 dying and who shot themselves?

Ah, another Neo-Advaitan.

:-)






[FairfieldLife] Re: Llundrub coward

2007-01-20 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Just giving you a dose of your own medicine. 

Exactly. And he's clearly too drunk to get it.

 - Original Message - 
 From: off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 9:31 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Llundrub coward
 
  What a loser you are Llundrub. You really should apologize 
  for your attack on me. You are always making cowardly attacks 
  like a looser grumpy old bastard. You, GW Bush, and Dick 
  Cheney should get in the Jaccuzzi together and get close 
  and personal, because Southern cowards like you belong 
  together. I'd like to see you say any of that cowardly sh!t 
  to my my face you non-Buddhist, non-TM'r, non-spiritual, 
  non-entity, grunting animal coward.
  
  OffWorld





[FairfieldLife] Re: Sam Harris, God's Hostages (women!).

2007-01-20 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, coshlnx [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 http://www.tinyurl.com/2gx8j3

Excellent essay, as always. Love the last line:

If we ever achieve a civilization of true equity, 
respect, and love between the sexes, it will not 
be because we paid more attention to our holy books.





[FairfieldLife] 'TM-Flip-outs by JM Knapp, anti-TM blogger 1.19.2007

2007-01-20 Thread Robert Gimbel
Posted by John M. Knapp, 
   First there was the recent submission on the Transcendental Meditation Age 
of Enlightenment techniques. Then followed the lively discussion pointing out 
that the Maharishi tried first one version then another on unsuspecting 6-Month 
course participants.

The guy was basically making it up as he went along. If one thing didn't work, 
why then he'd try something else. Older readers here may remember that the 
Maharishi referred to the Age of Enlightenment techniques and the later sidhis 
as research experiments into consciousness after all.

As Joseppi justly pointed out, we were just lab rats to the Maharishi. Worse, 
we were paying lab rats. We paid not only the equivalent of $25,000 in today's 
money, we paid in time from our lives. And some of us paid in psychological 
damage from spiritual experiments that the Maharishi had no idea how they 
would turn out. Until we lined up to sip the psychological Kool Aid.

This isn't just morally wrong. It's criminal.

After the Nazi horrors of World War II, during which Nazi scientists 
experimented medically and psychologically on Jews and others, the world 
reacted with shock. They passed the Nuremberg Code of Ethics, parts of which 
were later incorporated into the Geneva Conventions. International law made it 
illegal to perform any type of human experimentation without the informed 
consent of participants. Informed consent requires that test subjects be told 
in advance that they are taking part in experimental procedures – and the 
possible side effects. Impermissible experiments on humans explicitly 
included not just medical, but psychological experimentation as well.

From the victims of the Maharishi's experiments known as the Fiuggi Flipouts, 
to the course participants of the 6-Month Course, to the continuing 
experiments of Ayur Veda and even the million-dollar Raja course, the 
Maharishi is conducting impermissible experiments on unsuspecting human 
subjects. 

Not informing us that he is experimenting, that there are unknown risks and 
dangers to physical and mental well-being – that he is in fact making it up as 
he goes along – is a crime against humanity.
  



 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Another Nisargadatta quote

2007-01-20 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis reavismarek@
  wrote:
  
   The ordinary man is personally concerned, he counts his 
   risks and chances, while the gnani remains aloof, sure 
   that all will happen as it must; and it does not matter 
   much what happens, for ultimately the return to balance 
   and harmony is inevitable. The heart of things is at peace.
  
  Nice. I always liked this gem from Lao-tzu:
  
  A good traveler has no fixed plans
  and is not intent upon arriving.
  
  
  Road Trip Mind, in only 13 words.
 
 
 No matter where you go, there you are...


Or aren't, depending on your state of 
consciousness.  :-)

But do you have the answer to the koan 
presented in that film:

What's in the big pink box, man?

:-)





[FairfieldLife] A. Of E. Techniques- Circa 1975

2007-01-20 Thread Robert Gimbel
Posted by Sudarsha at 1/19/2007 03:36:00 PM 
This is what I learned to do: After TM/before ‘sidhi’

At the top of the head think/feel OM
At the eyebrow level, between the eyes think/feel Bhur
At the throat level, think/feel Bhuvah
At the heart level think/feel svah
At the solar plexus level think/feel tat savitur

- We were to do this moving our attention/awareness down the spine. (More 
detailed, exacting instruction I did not, unfortunately, record in my notes; 
not do I recall ever asking or being given any kind of explanation what this 
was for, what it was supposed to do/accomplish.)

I was told to go to one of the skin boys for checking. He had to tell me over 
and over what the “mantras” were. I had at the time a vague notion that this 
was something familiar.

It turned out to be the beginning of the Gayatri Mantra.

I do not remember how many times this was to be done before progressing to the 
‘sidhi’ program. Since I learned this on an ATR (Advanced Teaching and 
Rounding, I think), I left for home almost immediately thereafter. I had been 
doing the ‘sidhi’ program for some time and felt increasingly exhausted and 
dull from morning meditation to evening meditation. I wanted to sleep all the 
time and could barely function without a lot of effort, very difficult effort.

The addition of the “A of E” increased the dullness of the ‘sidhi’ program and 
added something I still find difficult to describe despite the sparce notes 
from this time in my journals. I simply felt awful. Dutifully, month after 
month I wrote my A of E experience evaluation and sent it off to wherever we 
were to send these things. I am unable to find the list of questions we were to 
answer and apparently did not keep copies of the pleading letters I sent. I 
felt so bad I was pleading month after month for some kind of help, any kind of 
assistance. Needless to say, there was no response.

I now recall a Sufi teaching lession I learned some years later: I have sent 
you a thousand letters and you have not answered one; but that too is an 
answer. 

After about 6-months of this (apparently if you are dull, exhausted, feel 
wretched and afraid that you will be cut off like the errant son of some stuffy 
and heartless aristocrat), you keep doing the same thing again and again 
expecting better results.

The Gayatri:

Om Bhur Bhuvah Svah
Tat
Savitur Varenyam
Bhargo Devasya Dhimahi
Dhiyo Yonah:
Prachodayat

English translation:

Throughout all realms of experience
‘That’
essential nature illuminating existence
is the adorable
One.
May all beings perceive through
subtle and meditative intellect
the magnificent brilliance
of enlightened awareness.

http://www.xs4all.nl/~dham/gayatri_mantra.html
Wow, I wasn't on those early courses, but sure sounds exotic;
  Thanks for the free information- as I didn't even have to travel to France 
this time for those secrets...
  One thing that stands out- Some of these 'Kriya' methods attributed to 
Yogananda- seems true.
  So, is Yogananda also guilty of some kind of crime for teaching his 
techniques in the West also.
  Let's not be wimps and cry babies- 
  Ya, know what they say...
  'Girls just wanna have fun'...
  R.G.


 
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[FairfieldLife] 'Seattle's 'Idol' auditions: Hurt so good

2007-01-20 Thread Robert Gimbel
Friday, January 19, 2007
  On TV: Seattle's 'Idol' auditions: Hurt so good
  By MELANIE McFARLAND
P-I TELEVISION CRITIC
Friends, in my short time on this planet, television has shown me some 
amazingly abhorrent things. Among them: Boils containing parasites in the 
process of being lanced. About five minutes of Gigli. Glenn Beck's talk show. 
  Wednesday night's American Idol beat all of those, hands down. Not even the 
pre-show press, in which Simon Cowell called the Seattle auditions atrocious, 
got it right. It was ... it was ... beyond definition.
  We should be proud of that. Any city can fill American Idol judges' ears 
with crimes against melody and flat intonation, but Seattle gave them something 
truly special. Our Idol tryouts looked like a refuge for extras who worked on 
the unrated versions of The Hills Have Eyes and Shakes the Clown. Don't 
even try to top that, Memphis. 
  Idol, in turn, gave us a young, bright, charismatic, pretty contestant who 
looks so much like the show's idea of the total package that she could be a 
ringer.
  But darn it if we didn't put up an excellent fight. An early contender was 
Jennifer The Hotness Chapton of Seattle, a 23-year-old who cracked her gum 
and flung her hair around before destroying a ditty that never harmed a soul. 
As opposed to accepting failure with dignity, The Hotness tried to burn Cowell. 
He don't know (bleep) about music, she huffed. He probably listens to that 
backcountry Englishman sheep stuff. 
  Whuh? Who?
  Later Seattle launched another assault in the form of Darwin Misha Reedy, 
she of the peroxide-blond bob, loud red lipstick and pendulous assets, who 
declared she has a sexy look. Misha, a 27-year-old from Seattle, swung it into 
action by nervously stepping from side to side while bleating through the 
Pussycat Dolls' Don't Cha. It was a risky choice and, by the end, we did wish 
our girlfriends were hot like her. Nevertheless, this dangerous intersection 
between Awkward Street and Bizarro Lane earned Reedy three adamant no votes 
from Cowell and fellow judges Paula Abdul and Randy Jackson. 
  Putting these singers and others like them together in the same place created 
what ringmaster Ryan Seacrest referred to as a talent vacuum. 
  I beg to differ, sir. Reedy said she wrote a novella inspired by Idol. That 
takes talent. Based on what the author had to show me Wednesday evening, I 
think I must read it. 
  Later came Renton's Jonathan Jayne and Bothell's Kenneth Briggs, a pair that 
met in line and quickly became Idol's Terrance and Phillip, only after the 
laughter died. Briggs, a short man with enormous crazy eyes, had been led to 
believe he sings and dances like Justin Timberlake. That means somebody very 
close to him lied. 
  
  Cowell let the 23-year-old sing a few bars of 'N Sync's Tearin' Up My Heart 
before harshly informing him that he looked like one of those creatures that 
lives in the jungle with the massive eyes. What are they called? Bush babies. 
  Jayne, 20, courageously brought it with a vibrato-laden God Bless America. 
Jayne has a lovely voice, but was dismissed with this weak bromide from Abdul. 
Always believe in yourself, and you'll make it through ... with ... 
somethin'. He and Briggs shuffled off into the rain, patting each other on the 
back.
  Abject humiliation has its benefits, though. Thursday morning Rosie O'Donnell 
defended Briggs on The View. Jayne, meanwhile, is scheduled to appear today 
on KISW-FM's (99.9) morning show with BJ Shea, where he will sing as well as 
play the drums and piano. (Turns out that on top of being quite musically 
proficient, Jayne also happens to be mildly autistic.)
  But Nick Zitzmann, a 27-year-old software programmer from Midvale, Utah, 
carved out a slice of notoriety for himself. Yes, Zitzmann butchered Unchained 
Melody beyond recognition, leaving Cowell visibly shaken. What gave Zitzmann's 
performance that extra oomph was the I have stared into the abyss and know 
madness glare he wore the entire time. 
  Is all of this cruel? Of course it is. The first weeks of Idol guzzle 
mean-spiritedness like an Escalade slugs down gasoline, and we're well aware of 
this -- although our hearts still break for the passionate people who honestly 
believed they had a shot, only to have Cowell dash their hopes.
  But the majority of these would-be Idols are not so naive that they don't 
realize what the show's producers are doing. Zitzmann told Seacrest he played 
electronic music but, what the hey, he sings too. 
  Coming into the sixth season, we're beyond believing that he just wandered 
into the most popular competition on television. He, along with his fellow 
tone-deaf dreamers are (by now if not then), aware of their purpose: To leave 
viewers cringing and laughing and cringing some more.
  In return they got their moment in front of nearly 37 million people and know 
exactly what that's worth. The average person can't afford to purchase 
publicity like 

[FairfieldLife] 'Maharishi, Nazis Jews'

2007-01-20 Thread Robert Gimbel
I have noticed lately some posts;
  In which Maharishi is being accused of teaching people;
  Techniques which drove them 'off the deep end';
  And now these folks are blaming Maharshi for their mishaps;
  And comparing his techniques to that of the Third Reich???
  Incredible!
  I know there has been a lot of followers of Maharishi, who have been of 
German and of Jewish heritage.
   So, what could be responsible for this extreme reaction?
  Must be a 'past-life thing'?
  Like someone died at the hands of the Nazis...(lots of someones)
  And those damned Nazis died by their own hand.(lots of them)
   
 Dissolve the notion that anyone can hurt you,.
  This ultimately this removes the illusion, that anyone has power over you.
  No one is holding a gun to anyone.
  Whoever is stuck in victimization
  For whatever reason that seems so justified,
  Whether they blame the government for their problems, or their family, the 
ex-wife, the court system, demons or angels...
  In the end, you are responsible for your own soul
  You are responsible for your own soul, and the soul does travel through 
time...
  And no one will to blame but you, for progress or lack of progress...
  R.G.

 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMO community?

2007-01-20 Thread Sal Sunshine
On Jan 19, 2007, at 10:41 PM, m2smart4u2000 wrote:

 snip
 OK Doug H, you were the original poster. Who is dying and who
 committed suicide?

Apparently Doug has checked out on this one.  Starting rumors is a lot 
easier than confirming them, it would appear.

Sal



[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO community?

2007-01-20 Thread Alex Stanley
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ 
 wrote:
 
  
  On Jan 19, 2007, at 9:59 PM, m2smart4u2000 wrote:
   Why doesn't anyone ever name names on this site. Who is dying and
   who shot themselves?
  
  M2, you're on campus, right?  Heard anything about any suicides?  I 
  haven't, and there hasn't been anything in the papers either.   
 Would 
  definitely be front-page news in a town this size.
 
 I think this rumor may have been started by
 Knapp on his blog:
 
 Sad News: Possible MUM Suicide
  
 Posted by John M. Knapp, LMSW at 1/19/2007 10:36:00 AM 

Doug's post to FFL containing the rumor is dated earlier than that
blog entry:

Fri Jan 19, 2007 5:42 am

I'm more inclined to believe he reposted on his blog the rumor he read
on FFL.

 



[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO community?

2007-01-20 Thread TurquoiseB
   M2, you're on campus, right?  Heard anything about any 
   suicides?  I haven't, and there hasn't been anything 
   in the papers either. Would definitely be front-page 
   news in a town this size.
  
  I think this rumor may have been started by
  Knapp on his blog:
  
  Sad News: Possible MUM Suicide
   
  Posted by John M. Knapp, LMSW at 1/19/2007 10:36:00 AM 
 
 Doug's post to FFL containing the rumor is dated earlier 
 than that blog entry:
 
 Fri Jan 19, 2007 5:42 am
 
 I'm more inclined to believe he reposted on his blog the 
 rumor he read on FFL.

I noticed this, too, just as I did my research
after reading the first mention of the rumor 
here by searching the online version of the 
Fairfield Ledger. I couldn't find anything there 
or on Google or in any of the neighboring Iowa 
papers, so I chalked it up as a rumor, and didn't 
bother to comment on it here. Especially because 
a few others had already done so, asking for 
validation of the rumor.

Compare and contrast to (what appears to be) John
Knapp reading the rumor here, wanting to believe
it were true and thus *not* doing his research, 
and printing it on his blog as truth.

Also compare and contrast to one person here,
reading John Knapp's blog and finding his version 
of the rumor, wanting to believe it was the source
and thus *not* doing her research by checking the 
timestamps, and starting her own rumor that John 
was the original source of the first rumor.

It seems to me that in both of those cases what
is going on is a person who 1) has an agenda,
and 2) is willing to forward or start rumors
that *further* that agenda, without bothering
to verify their validity.

Fanatics against, fanatics for. Same modus
operandi. 





[FairfieldLife] MUM's confusing guide to higher consciousness unraveled....

2007-01-20 Thread wmurphy77
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip 
 The seven states of consciousness are identified, according to the
MUM style guide, as:
 
 http://resources.mum.edu/manuals/styleguide.pdf  
 Turiya Chetanå (Transcendental Consciousness) 
 Turiyåtit Chetanå (Cosmic Consciousness) 
 Bhagavad Chetanå (God Consciousness) 
 Bråhmi Chetanå (Unity Consciousness) 
  
 Seems to me that these terms should be traceable to one or more
sanskrit sources. 
 Turiya, for instance, is found in one of the Upanishads.


Brahmi Chetana or Brahman Consciousness, Maharishi himself refers to
as *Cosmic Consciousness* in Love and God! Let me attempt to remove
the confusion, when MMY talks about CC, if it's on the level of the
individual he means simply Self-Realization or soul/jiva realization.
 
When he speaks of Bråhmi Chetanå (Unity) then he is *still* speaking
of CC, but at the level of Brahman, get it?

Remember Jiva and Brahman are different terms signifying different
degrees and quality of the one Cosmic Being...

MMY repeatedly refers to Brahman as the state of Cosmic Consciousness
which is consistent terminology with other groups. (See Gita CH V,
vs21  ChII vs 72).

It's confusing because the common nomenclature of Cosmic Consciousness
as the final and highest state of consciousness, is correct. But MMY
uses CC and UC interchangably and hence the confusion.

CC essentially is what MMY says it is in Love and God, Purnam adah and
Purnam idam. (That Unmanifested Brahman is perfect and This Manifested
Brahman is also perfect.) This is COSMIC CONSCIOUSNESS, the highest!

Just remember, TC or CC, according to MMY is simply Brahman on the
level of the individual (jiva or soul) and therefore distinct in
quality and degree from Brahman chaitanya. See Gita VI vs3.



[FairfieldLife] Re: Another Nisargadatta quote

2007-01-20 Thread Alex Stanley
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, qntmpkt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 ---Everything happens as it must is a ridiculous Neo-Advaitin 
 tautology conveying no useful information; and it's not provable or 
 disprovable. Furthermore, it may be true (but not provable) 
 regardless of the level of Consciousness of people.
  Also, it leads to no constructive line of action; since, if one 
 could envision a laboratory in which A. Everything may not happen as 
 it must, vs a control lab in which B. Everything happens as it 
 must; the experimenters could not possibly distinguish between the 
 two set-ups.
   In short, more Ramesh Balsekar Neo-Advaitin baloney.
 MMY's philosophy is directly to the point:  establish some desires 
 and go directly after the treasures by accumulating lots of money and 
 Shakti power. 

I think it's a matter of perspective. For me, after falling deeply and
profoundly into all my coulda/shoulda/woulda drama, drenching it in
awareness, and finally arriving in this state of free floating in now,
I recognize the ridiculous Neo-Advaitin tautology as truth. But, I
can think back to a time when hearing Everything happens exactly as
it should. Why? Because that's the way it happened. would not have
been the least bit helpful or well received. It's a profound truth,
but it is probably of limited usefulness to those who haven't
recognized it as such.



[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO community?

2007-01-20 Thread dhamiltony2k5
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Community?
 
 I understand that someone committed suicide on campus the other 
day, 
 shooting themselves in the head.

Om, check with the Sherriff dept.?   They were serving a paper to 
someone on campus, knocked on the door and heard a gunshot go off 
inside.  They were glad that it was not pointed at them.  Instead it 
was a self-inflicted 44 cal to the head.  

Yes with all the privacy rules now, it is interesting that no one can 
comment on a public incident that did happened.  Speak the sweet 
truth?  

One of the Utopia Park employees was with the deputy when it 
happened.  Of course no names can be given so the deputies are very 
careful in the recount but descriptive of something that evidently 
happened this week.  Everyone is cautious on all sides for different 
reasons of privacy.  

I was hoping someone like Sal who is more connected up here could 
come up with the name.  It is a sad story and would be nice to know 
the name to lend support to anyone if needed.

-Doug in FF




Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Masterbation and Yoga...(Sorry Judy, men only!)

2007-01-20 Thread llundrub
some masturbation is worship at some of the greatest temples


Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: You couldn't make it up.

2007-01-20 Thread MDixon6569
 
In a message dated 1/20/07 1:09:11 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Turns  out the story about park rangers not being
allowed to tell visitors the age  of the Grand Canyon
was bogus. And the creationist book is in a  section
of the canyon bookstores labeled Inspiration,o
along with  other cultural/mythical books about the
canyon. The whole thing appears to  have been a 
tempest in a teapot created by the environmental
watchdog  group PEER for publicity purposes.

Disgraceful. And my profound  apologies to MDixon
for beating him up over this. He was right to  be
skeptical.



No apology needed. Didn't feel beat up! We usually disagree and have  
different perspectives and I don't need to have the last word after stating my  
position.


[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO community?

2007-01-20 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 
 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote:
 
  Community?
  
  I understand that someone committed suicide on campus the other 
  day, shooting themselves in the head.
 
 Om, check with the Sherriff dept.?   They were serving a paper 
 to someone on campus, knocked on the door and heard a gunshot 
 go off inside.  They were glad that it was not pointed at them. 
 Instead it was a self-inflicted 44 cal to the head.  
 
 Yes with all the privacy rules now, it is interesting that no 
 one can comment on a public incident that did happened. Speak 
 the sweet truth?  

Also, sadly, speak the truth that might best serve
family left behind, insurance-wise and in terms of
notifying them. There are many reasons that police
sometimes delay coming out with all the facts. I
trust that someone else will follow up there in
Fairfield and post further information when it
becomes available.

 One of the Utopia Park employees was with the deputy when it 
 happened.  Of course no names can be given so the deputies 
 are very careful in the recount but descriptive of something 
 that evidently happened this week.  Everyone is cautious on 
 all sides for different reasons of privacy.  

Exactly. It doesn't necessarily have to be a coverup 
on the part of the university, although I think we
all know that's a possibility.

 I was hoping someone like Sal who is more connected up here 
 could come up with the name. It is a sad story and would be 
 nice to know the name to lend support to anyone if needed.

Well said. When something like this happens, we often
tend to think of what the suicide *symbolizes*, in 
terms of our different beliefs or lack thereof. But
it's also good to remember that suicide is a great
deal more than a symbol, and affects a lot of very
real people, most of whom are caught unawares by
the action of someone they loved deeply. I had a 
brother who committed suicide. It's a bitch to deal
with. My best thoughts and wishes to those who may
be dealing with it there.





Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Llundrub coward

2007-01-20 Thread llundrub
What cracks me up is that anyone can think that they have a persona or that 
someone else can even know them through the internet.  I mean, who could 
possible see me giving orders to other people every day. Constantly teaching 
subordinates most of whom are pretty much outside of society. They often 
threat my life. I work with kids from the hood constantly. I once tried to 
teach a kid to clean a deep fryer and he just was too impatient to learn. I 
blew up at him. He threatened my life. Then years later I saw him a few more 
times. He's lead cook at a very popular restaurant now. We're fast friends 
just by virtue of having known each other years ago. All old shit forgotten. 
Life has a way of working out the kinks. Fuck everything. I'm gonna die! 
Hahahahahahhahaa.  So I'm gonna feel it before I go. People can threaten me 
all they want. But I lived. Every year I'm getting closer to everyones best 
friend - death. And you know what. I'll see each and everyone of you there 
too. Later.



- Original Message - 
From: TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 4:11 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Llundrub coward


 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Just giving you a dose of your own medicine.

 Exactly. And he's clearly too drunk to get it.

 - Original Message - 
 From: off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 9:31 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Llundrub coward

  What a loser you are Llundrub. You really should apologize
  for your attack on me. You are always making cowardly attacks
  like a looser grumpy old bastard. You, GW Bush, and Dick
  Cheney should get in the Jaccuzzi together and get close
  and personal, because Southern cowards like you belong
  together. I'd like to see you say any of that cowardly sh!t
  to my my face you non-Buddhist, non-TM'r, non-spiritual,
  non-entity, grunting animal coward.
 
  OffWorld





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Re: [FairfieldLife] A. Of E. Techniques- Circa 1975

2007-01-20 Thread Peter
This was not the most common A of E technique given
out in '75. In fact, I've never heard of this specific
technique before. MMY gave out many different ones and
asked us to stay in touch with him by writing what our
experiences were and sending him these reports.





--- Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Posted by Sudarsha at 1/19/2007 03:36:00 PM 
 This is what I learned to do: After TM/before
 ‘sidhi’
 
 At the top of the head think/feel OM
 At the eyebrow level, between the eyes think/feel
 Bhur
 At the throat level, think/feel Bhuvah
 At the heart level think/feel svah
 At the solar plexus level think/feel tat savitur
 
 - We were to do this moving our attention/awareness
 down the spine. (More detailed, exacting instruction
 I did not, unfortunately, record in my notes; not do
 I recall ever asking or being given any kind of
 explanation what this was for, what it was supposed
 to do/accomplish.)
 
 I was told to go to one of the skin boys for
 checking. He had to tell me over and over what the
 “mantras” were. I had at the time a vague notion
 that this was something familiar.
 
 It turned out to be the beginning of the Gayatri
 Mantra.
 
 I do not remember how many times this was to be done
 before progressing to the ‘sidhi’ program. Since I
 learned this on an ATR (Advanced Teaching and
 Rounding, I think), I left for home almost
 immediately thereafter. I had been doing the ‘sidhi’
 program for some time and felt increasingly
 exhausted and dull from morning meditation to
 evening meditation. I wanted to sleep all the time
 and could barely function without a lot of effort,
 very difficult effort.
 
 The addition of the “A of E” increased the dullness
 of the ‘sidhi’ program and added something I still
 find difficult to describe despite the sparce notes
 from this time in my journals. I simply felt awful.
 Dutifully, month after month I wrote my A of E
 experience evaluation and sent it off to wherever we
 were to send these things. I am unable to find the
 list of questions we were to answer and apparently
 did not keep copies of the pleading letters I sent.
 I felt so bad I was pleading month after month for
 some kind of help, any kind of assistance. Needless
 to say, there was no response.
 
 I now recall a Sufi teaching lession I learned some
 years later: I have sent you a thousand letters and
 you have not answered one; but that too is an
 answer. 
 
 After about 6-months of this (apparently if you are
 dull, exhausted, feel wretched and afraid that you
 will be cut off like the errant son of some stuffy
 and heartless aristocrat), you keep doing the same
 thing again and again expecting better results.
 
 The Gayatri:
 
 Om Bhur Bhuvah Svah
 Tat
 Savitur Varenyam
 Bhargo Devasya Dhimahi
 Dhiyo Yonah:
 Prachodayat
 
 English translation:
 
 Throughout all realms of experience
 ‘That’
 essential nature illuminating existence
 is the adorable
 One.
 May all beings perceive through
 subtle and meditative intellect
 the magnificent brilliance
 of enlightened awareness.
 
 http://www.xs4all.nl/~dham/gayatri_mantra.html
 Wow, I wasn't on those early courses, but sure
 sounds exotic;
   Thanks for the free information- as I didn't even
 have to travel to France this time for those
 secrets...
   One thing that stands out- Some of these 'Kriya'
 methods attributed to Yogananda- seems true.
   So, is Yogananda also guilty of some kind of crime
 for teaching his techniques in the West also.
   Let's not be wimps and cry babies- 
   Ya, know what they say...
   'Girls just wanna have fun'...
   R.G.
 
 
  
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM-Free Blog: Versions of the Age of Enlightenment Techniques

2007-01-20 Thread llundrub
TM works. It's just too powerful for most people.


Re: [FairfieldLife] 'TM-Flip-outs by JM Knapp, anti-TM blogger 1.19.2007

2007-01-20 Thread llundrub
This old rehash. Oh God. I can't take it any more. First spraig and Judy then 
fucking willy and now all the rest. Oh God. It's the end of FFLife. I have 
pretty much had it. 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Robert Gimbel 
  To: fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 4:28 AM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] 'TM-Flip-outs by JM Knapp, anti-TM blogger 1.19.2007


  Posted by John M. Knapp, 
   First there was the recent submission on the Transcendental Meditation Age 
of Enlightenment techniques. Then followed the lively discussion pointing out 
that the Maharishi tried first one version then another on unsuspecting 6-Month 
course participants.

  The guy was basically making it up as he went along. If one thing didn't 
work, why then he'd try something else. Older readers here may remember that 
the Maharishi referred to the Age of Enlightenment techniques and the later 
sidhis as research experiments into consciousness after all.

  As Joseppi justly pointed out, we were just lab rats to the Maharishi. Worse, 
we were paying lab rats. We paid not only the equivalent of $25,000 in today's 
money, we paid in time from our lives. And some of us paid in psychological 
damage from spiritual experiments that the Maharishi had no idea how they 
would turn out. Until we lined up to sip the psychological Kool Aid.

  This isn't just morally wrong. It's criminal.

  After the Nazi horrors of World War II, during which Nazi scientists 
experimented medically and psychologically on Jews and others, the world 
reacted with shock. They passed the Nuremberg Code of Ethics, parts of which 
were later incorporated into the Geneva Conventions. International law made it 
illegal to perform any type of human experimentation without the informed 
consent of participants. Informed consent requires that test subjects be told 
in advance that they are taking part in experimental procedures - and the 
possible side effects. Impermissible experiments on humans explicitly 
included not just medical, but psychological experimentation as well.

  From the victims of the Maharishi's experiments known as the Fiuggi Flipouts, 
to the course participants of the 6-Month Course, to the continuing experiments 
of Ayur Veda and even the million-dollar Raja course, the Maharishi is 
conducting impermissible experiments on unsuspecting human subjects. 

  Not informing us that he is experimenting, that there are unknown risks and 
dangers to physical and mental well-being - that he is in fact making it up as 
he goes along - is a crime against humanity.
  


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Re: [FairfieldLife] MUM's confusing guide to higher consciousness unraveled....

2007-01-20 Thread llundrub
This god consciousness is pretty much where Dzogchen begins.

But because it begins without mind, one simply cannot reify any mental 
elaboration and therefore no philosophy will ever reach such cognition.




[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO community?

2007-01-20 Thread lurkernomore20002000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 Om, check with the Sherriff dept.?   They were serving a paper to 
 someone on campus, knocked on the door and heard a gunshot go off 
 inside.  They were glad that it was not pointed at them.  Instead 
it was a self-inflicted 44 cal to the head.  
 
 Yes with all the privacy rules now, it is interesting that no one 
can 
 comment on a public incident that did happened.  Speak the sweet 
 truth?  
 
 One of the Utopia Park employees was with the deputy when it 
 happened.  Of course no names can be given so the deputies are 
very careful in the recount but descriptive of something that 
evidently happened this week.  Everyone is cautious on all sides for 
different reasons of privacy.  
 
 I was hoping someone like Sal who is more connected up here could 
 come up with the name.  It is a sad story and would be nice to 
know the name to lend support to anyone if needed.
 
This nicely ties up all the loose ends with the Purusha person 
dying at Utopia park, the suicide, except that none of it is 
confirmed except by Doug.  Privacy rules when the police serve a 
warrant and hear a gunshot?  Come on.  That ain't how it works.  
This IS the stuff that makes the news.  Come clean Doug.

lurk





Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMO community?

2007-01-20 Thread Sal Sunshine
On Jan 20, 2007, at 8:41 AM, lurkernomore20002000 wrote:

 This nicely ties up all the loose ends with the Purusha person
 dying at Utopia park, the suicide, except that none of it is
 confirmed except by Doug.  Privacy rules when the police serve a
 warrant and hear a gunshot?  Come on.  That ain't how it works.
 This IS the stuff that makes the news.  Come clean Doug.

Well, that's  what I thought too.  Aren't warrants, like arrests,  
public information?

Sal



Re: [FairfieldLife] A. Of E. Techniques- Circa 1975

2007-01-20 Thread llundrub
It's now the 6th technique and it no longer has the sanskrit and so you just 
place attention. It's a good technique.


- Original Message - 
From: Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 8:30 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] A. Of E. Techniques- Circa 1975


 This was not the most common A of E technique given
 out in '75. In fact, I've never heard of this specific
 technique before. MMY gave out many different ones and
 asked us to stay in touch with him by writing what our
 experiences were and sending him these reports.





 --- Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Posted by Sudarsha at 1/19/2007 03:36:00 PM
 This is what I learned to do: After TM/before
 'sidhi'

 At the top of the head think/feel OM
 At the eyebrow level, between the eyes think/feel
 Bhur
 At the throat level, think/feel Bhuvah
 At the heart level think/feel svah
 At the solar plexus level think/feel tat savitur

 - We were to do this moving our attention/awareness
 down the spine. (More detailed, exacting instruction
 I did not, unfortunately, record in my notes; not do
 I recall ever asking or being given any kind of
 explanation what this was for, what it was supposed
 to do/accomplish.)

 I was told to go to one of the skin boys for
 checking. He had to tell me over and over what the
 mantras were. I had at the time a vague notion
 that this was something familiar.

 It turned out to be the beginning of the Gayatri
 Mantra.

 I do not remember how many times this was to be done
 before progressing to the 'sidhi' program. Since I
 learned this on an ATR (Advanced Teaching and
 Rounding, I think), I left for home almost
 immediately thereafter. I had been doing the 'sidhi'
 program for some time and felt increasingly
 exhausted and dull from morning meditation to
 evening meditation. I wanted to sleep all the time
 and could barely function without a lot of effort,
 very difficult effort.

 The addition of the A of E increased the dullness
 of the 'sidhi' program and added something I still
 find difficult to describe despite the sparce notes
 from this time in my journals. I simply felt awful.
 Dutifully, month after month I wrote my A of E
 experience evaluation and sent it off to wherever we
 were to send these things. I am unable to find the
 list of questions we were to answer and apparently
 did not keep copies of the pleading letters I sent.
 I felt so bad I was pleading month after month for
 some kind of help, any kind of assistance. Needless
 to say, there was no response.

 I now recall a Sufi teaching lession I learned some
 years later: I have sent you a thousand letters and
 you have not answered one; but that too is an
 answer.

 After about 6-months of this (apparently if you are
 dull, exhausted, feel wretched and afraid that you
 will be cut off like the errant son of some stuffy
 and heartless aristocrat), you keep doing the same
 thing again and again expecting better results.

 The Gayatri:

 Om Bhur Bhuvah Svah
 Tat
 Savitur Varenyam
 Bhargo Devasya Dhimahi
 Dhiyo Yonah:
 Prachodayat

 English translation:

 Throughout all realms of experience
 'That'
 essential nature illuminating existence
 is the adorable
 One.
 May all beings perceive through
 subtle and meditative intellect
 the magnificent brilliance
 of enlightened awareness.

 http://www.xs4all.nl/~dham/gayatri_mantra.html
 Wow, I wasn't on those early courses, but sure
 sounds exotic;
   Thanks for the free information- as I didn't even
 have to travel to France this time for those
 secrets...
   One thing that stands out- Some of these 'Kriya'
 methods attributed to Yogananda- seems true.
   So, is Yogananda also guilty of some kind of crime
 for teaching his techniques in the West also.
   Let's not be wimps and cry babies-
   Ya, know what they say...
   'Girls just wanna have fun'...
   R.G.



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[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO community?

2007-01-20 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

M2, you're on campus, right?  Heard anything about any 
suicides?  I haven't, and there hasn't been anything 
in the papers either. Would definitely be front-page 
news in a town this size.
   
   I think this rumor may have been started by
   Knapp on his blog:
   
   Sad News: Possible MUM Suicide

   Posted by John M. Knapp, LMSW at 1/19/2007 10:36:00 AM 
  
  Doug's post to FFL containing the rumor is dated earlier 
  than that blog entry:
  
  Fri Jan 19, 2007 5:42 am
  
  I'm more inclined to believe he reposted on his blog the 
  rumor he read on FFL.
 
 I noticed this, too, just as I did my research
 after reading the first mention of the rumor 
 here by searching the online version of the 
 Fairfield Ledger. I couldn't find anything there 
 or on Google or in any of the neighboring Iowa 
 papers, so I chalked it up as a rumor, and didn't 
 bother to comment on it here. Especially because 
 a few others had already done so, asking for 
 validation of the rumor.
 
 Compare and contrast to (what appears to be) John
 Knapp reading the rumor here, wanting to believe
 it were true and thus *not* doing his research, 
 and printing it on his blog as truth.
 
 Also compare and contrast to one person here,

Barry, why do you occasionally become afraid
of mentioning my name?

 reading John Knapp's blog and finding his version 
 of the rumor, wanting to believe it was the source
 and thus *not* doing her research by checking the 
 timestamps, and starting her own rumor that John 
 was the original source of the first rumor.

Timestamps, of course, may or may not tell the
whole story about who started a rumor when.
There *are* other means of communication than
via public postings to the Web.

Starting rumors is one of John Knapp's 
specialties, as Barry must remember from Knapp's
earlier glory days.  He can be quite clever
about it too: he's entirely capable of making
inquiries to certain Fairfield residents he
knows post here in the hope that they'll say
something about it, then once they've done so,
repeating the rumor on his blog as if it
hadn't come from him in the first place.

Whether that's what happened in this case is
still murky, but then I made it clear I was
speculating about Knapp having started it.

 It seems to me that in both of those cases what
 is going on is a person who 1) has an agenda,
 and 2) is willing to forward or start rumors
 that *further* that agenda, without bothering
 to verify their validity.

Actually I also checked the Fairfield papers
before I posted.

 Fanatics against, fanatics for. Same modus
 operandi.

You certainly could say I have an agenda where
John Knapp is concerned: to let those who have
never had any experience with him know (as
Barry does as well) that they shouldn't take
anything he says at face value.




[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM's confusing guide to higher consciousness unraveled....

2007-01-20 Thread wmurphy77
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 This god consciousness is pretty much where Dzogchen begins.
 
 But because it begins without mind, one simply cannot reify any mental 
 elaboration and therefore no philosophy will ever reach such cognition.

 It can be intellectually understood, but only realized on the level
of consciousness!




[FairfieldLife] 'China- Shifting the Balance of Power'

2007-01-20 Thread Robert Gimbel
  The Times  January 20, 2007
  Assume nothing: power plays today will have unexpected outcomes tomorrowDavid 
Rothkopf and Jonathan Schmidt
  Current affairs may mask events of greater importance 
   
  The issues and the people
  So much is written so often about power that it is surprising how little we 
seem to understand it. Important shifts in power often take place in the 
shadows, beyond our view. As a consequence, sometimes we fail to understand 
them as they are happening and it takes decades or centuries before we truly 
grasp what has transpired. 
  In 1991, the news story of the year was the fall of the Soviet Union. The 
Cold War was over and the geopolitical balance of power of the world had 
shifted profoundly. Yet that same year, the recent brainchild of a 
self-effacing English physicist named Tim Berners-Lee, something that he called 
the “world wide web”, was made available to the public. Certainly, the collapse 
of the Soviet Union represented a sea-change in the global distribution of 
power, but 100 years from now, which of these events will be seen as touching 
more lives, empowering more individuals, changing the world in more ways? 
Indeed, even today it seems clear that one reason among the many for the 
downfall of Soviet communism was the impossibility of closed societies 
competing in the information age.   Obviously, 1945 is remembered for the end 
of the Second World War, but, following our reasoning above, might it also be 
remembered perhaps more than it is for the publication of an article in Atlantic
 Monthly by the prescient Vannevar Bush describing some of the core ideas that 
ultimately led to the internet? At the time, computers barely existed. Who 
could imagine the power of his ideas, or the power that his ideas would create 
or shift?   There are countless such examples throughout history. Could anyone 
have foretold that the ascension of Augustus as Rome’s first Emperor would have 
been transcended in terms of lasting impact upon the continent on which he was 
the greatest ruler ever by the birth of an obscure Jew somewhere in far off 
Judea? Or that with the death of Zheng He, the Muslim admiral who led China’s 
“age of exploration”, in 1433 that the Emperor of China would choose a course 
of isolation that ultimately would result in the decline of the Ming Dynasty 
and forestall China’s engagement in the world as a great power by almost six 
centuries?   Part of the reason that predicting the consequences of power 
shifts is so difficult is that power flows from so many
 sources. Political and military power may be pre-eminent in our thinking, but 
religion, science, technology, the environment, social trends and countless 
other drivers shape the fate of rulers, trigger conflicts and lead to the ebb 
and flow of the power of states, economic entities and peoples. In fact, the 
power structure of the world is much like that of a complex atom, whirring at 
many levels, with events at one often triggering changes at the others.   So it 
is today. Speaking about the changing global power equation, as participants 
will do at the upcoming annual meeting of the World Economic Forum in Davos, 
Switzerland, it is natural for thoughts to turn first to questions about the 
sustainability of a unipolar world and the limitations we have all learnt that 
constrain the sole superpower that survived the end of the Cold War — the 
United States. One can also wonder if a focus on the upheaval in the Middle 
East masks other developments of greater importance in the
 long term, distracting us from the rise of emerging Asia and China’s ultimate 
assumption of the role as the great power balancing the US. Or should we be 
looking at the interdependence of the US and China or the rise of India or the 
rise of the entire emerging world, likely to be the source of the world’s 
fastest growth and home to the vast majority of its people throughout the 
century ahead?   Perhaps an even more significant question is whether it is 
old-fashioned to continue to think in terms of nation states as the primary 
global actors when they are, after all, derived from ideas that are more than 
350 years old and may be reaching obsolescence given the fading of borders and 
the rise of non-state actors from al-Qaeda to the corporations that now 
outnumber countries in the list of the world’s largest economic entities. Or is 
it more important to note that hierarchical corporate, traditional political 
entities and long-standing media powers are themselves already
 fading in influence as virtual networks can gather and recombine and mobilise 
action or translate new ideas into actions and beliefs more rapidly than ever 
before and do so without regard for borders and even without the need for 
significant financial resources?   For decades it has been a given that being 
an oil-producing nation granted great power. While demand for oil is 

[FairfieldLife] No man cometh unto the Father (Brahman) except thru me....

2007-01-20 Thread wmurphy77
As Jesus, the Christed one, so well put it, the Christ in him was one
with the Absolute, (CC)
and like Jesus we must realize 'Christ' in us (as God Consciousness,
personal) BEFORE we can become one with the Father, Brahman or
impersonal God.

Christ Chaitanya (consciousness) is awareness of the personal God IN
creation (manifest). Christ means simply 'annointed one', so we must
become Christed like Jesus before we can reach Cosmic Consciousness or
oneness (Unity) with the Father.

God consciousness is awareness of the universal Soul of Creation, it
is essentially formless consciousness (chaitanya), it can take ANY form!

Unity or CC is awareness of Brahman beyond creation and ultimately as
both, the manifest God AND the unmanifest God together, this teaching
(i.e. Jesus) is entirely missing from Maharishi's TMorg.



[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO community?

2007-01-20 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
 
 M2, you're on campus, right?  Heard anything about any 
 suicides?  I haven't, and there hasn't been anything 
 in the papers either. Would definitely be front-page 
 news in a town this size.

I think this rumor may have been started by
Knapp on his blog:

Sad News: Possible MUM Suicide
 
Posted by John M. Knapp, LMSW at 1/19/2007 10:36:00 AM 
   
   Doug's post to FFL containing the rumor is dated earlier 
   than that blog entry:
   
   Fri Jan 19, 2007 5:42 am
   
   I'm more inclined to believe he reposted on his blog the 
   rumor he read on FFL.
  
  I noticed this, too, just as I did my research
  after reading the first mention of the rumor 
  here by searching the online version of the 
  Fairfield Ledger. I couldn't find anything there 
  or on Google or in any of the neighboring Iowa 
  papers, so I chalked it up as a rumor, and didn't 
  bother to comment on it here. Especially because 
  a few others had already done so, asking for 
  validation of the rumor.
  
  Compare and contrast to (what appears to be) John
  Knapp reading the rumor here, wanting to believe
  it were true and thus *not* doing his research, 
  and printing it on his blog as truth.
  
  Also compare and contrast to one person here,
 
 Barry, why do you occasionally become afraid
 of mentioning my name?

  reading John Knapp's blog and finding his version 
  of the rumor, wanting to believe it was the source
  and thus *not* doing her research by checking the 
  timestamps, and starting her own rumor that John 
  was the original source of the first rumor.
 
 Timestamps, of course, may or may not tell the
 whole story about who started a rumor when.
 There *are* other means of communication than
 via public postings to the Web.

So you're still claiming that John started the 
rumor, the same one that was posted earlier
here? Is this another time travel theory
on your part, or do you have specifics in
mind, rather than just inuendo.  :-)

 Starting rumors is one of John Knapp's 
 specialties, as Barry must remember from Knapp's
 earlier glory days.  He can be quite clever
 about it too: he's entirely capable of making
 inquiries to certain Fairfield residents he
 knows post here in the hope that they'll say
 something about it, then once they've done so,
 repeating the rumor on his blog as if it
 hadn't come from him in the first place.
 
 Whether that's what happened in this case is
 still murky, but then I made it clear I was
 speculating about Knapp having started it.

Note the above later, when I specify what 
Judy's agenda is.
 
  It seems to me that in both of those cases what
  is going on is a person who 1) has an agenda,
  and 2) is willing to forward or start rumors
  that *further* that agenda, without bothering
  to verify their validity.
 
 Actually I also checked the Fairfield papers
 before I posted.

I notice that you didn't choose to deal with
either point 1 or 2. Point 2 is now pretty much
a given in your case, since you chose to start
a rumor about John Knapp without verifying its
validity, something that would have taken less
than ten seconds. But as to point 1, *your*
agenda, I would suggest that it is to demonize 
and discredit any critic of TM and Maharishi.

You did so above. 

Having been caught doing it, you respond by
doing it again.

  Fanatics against, fanatics for. Same modus
  operandi.
 
 You certainly could say I have an agenda where
 John Knapp is concerned: to let those who have
 never had any experience with him know (as
 Barry does as well) that they shouldn't take
 anything he says at face value.

Funny, but that's your agenda with Vaj, and
with me, with Paul Mason, and with numerous
other people you've encountered on FFL, and
previously, on a.m.t. 

H. What do they all have in common? They've
all criticized TM and/or Maharishi. 

Unc

P.S. The last paragraph is a setup for you to
rush in and say, They're all LIARS or insert
derogatory statement here...I've 'proved' it 
numerous times, thus 'proving'my point about 
*your* agenda.

You don't like what these people say, and so
you attempt to influence others to disregard
what they say. That *is* your modus operandi;
you're a one-trick pony.

You may have convinced yourself that your 
agenda is against liars and intellectually
dishonest people, Judy, but I don't think
you've fooled many others. 





[FairfieldLife] Re: Masterbation and Yoga..

2007-01-20 Thread wmurphy77
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 some masturbation is worship at some of the greatest temples

Doubtful.procreation of Shiva/Shakti more probable!




[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO community?

2007-01-20 Thread curtisdeltablues
Suspiciously high caliber gun in this story.  I've shot 44 mag rounds
and it is a freak'n canon.  Not a very enjoyable gun to shot for
targets, and is overkill for self-defense.   The kind of gun that
someone who has a bunch of guns would have in his collection.  In
Utopia park? The mystery deepens!

Clint Eastwood in Dirty Harry:

Scorpio freezes, looking at his gun, and Callahan utters the most
famous lines in the movie: I know what you're thinking. 'Did he fire
six shots or only five?' Well, to tell you the truth, in all this
excitement I kind of lost track myself. But being as this is a .44
Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world, and would blow your
head clean off, you've got to ask yourself a question: 'Do I feel
lucky?' Well, do ya, punk?


(For detail nuts there is a 50 cal handgun now)



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 
 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote:
 
  
  Om, check with the Sherriff dept.?   They were serving a paper to 
  someone on campus, knocked on the door and heard a gunshot go off 
  inside.  They were glad that it was not pointed at them.  Instead 
 it was a self-inflicted 44 cal to the head.  
  
  Yes with all the privacy rules now, it is interesting that no one 
 can 
  comment on a public incident that did happened.  Speak the sweet 
  truth?  
  
  One of the Utopia Park employees was with the deputy when it 
  happened.  Of course no names can be given so the deputies are 
 very careful in the recount but descriptive of something that 
 evidently happened this week.  Everyone is cautious on all sides for 
 different reasons of privacy.  
  
  I was hoping someone like Sal who is more connected up here could 
  come up with the name.  It is a sad story and would be nice to 
 know the name to lend support to anyone if needed.
  
 This nicely ties up all the loose ends with the Purusha person 
 dying at Utopia park, the suicide, except that none of it is 
 confirmed except by Doug.  Privacy rules when the police serve a 
 warrant and hear a gunshot?  Come on.  That ain't how it works.  
 This IS the stuff that makes the news.  Come clean Doug.
 
 lurk
 





[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO community?

2007-01-20 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
snip
  Timestamps, of course, may or may not tell the
  whole story about who started a rumor when.
  There *are* other means of communication than
  via public postings to the Web.
 
 So you're still claiming that John started the 
 rumor, the same one that was posted earlier
 here?

How could I still claim this when I never 
claimed it to begin with?

I'm pointing out, of course, that the 
timestamps don't prove anything either way
about who started the rumor.

snip
   It seems to me that in both of those cases what
   is going on is a person who 1) has an agenda,
   and 2) is willing to forward or start rumors
   that *further* that agenda, without bothering
   to verify their validity.
  
  Actually I also checked the Fairfield papers
  before I posted.
 
 I notice that you didn't choose to deal with
 either point 1 or 2.

Actually I went on to deal with point 1, as you
know, because you commented on it.

 Point 2 is now pretty much
 a given in your case, since you chose to start
 a rumor about John Knapp without verifying its
 validity, something that would have taken less
 than ten seconds.

Gee, you're having reading comprehension problems
today, Barry.  The timestamps don't prove anything
either way, as I already pointed out.

Yes, I chose to *speculate*--again, on the basis
of long experience with Knapp--that it was he
who had started the rumor.

snip
  You certainly could say I have an agenda where
  John Knapp is concerned: to let those who have
  never had any experience with him know (as
  Barry does as well) that they shouldn't take
  anything he says at face value.
 
 Funny, but that's your agenda with Vaj, and
 with me, with Paul Mason, and with numerous
 other people you've encountered on FFL, and
 previously, on a.m.t. 
 
 H. What do they all have in common? They've
 all criticized TM and/or Maharishi. 
 
 Unc
 
 P.S. The last paragraph is a setup for you to
 rush in and say, They're all LIARS or insert
 derogatory statement here...I've 'proved' it 
 numerous times, thus 'proving'my point about 
 *your* agenda.

Well, no, that doesn't prove your point at all,
of course.  See below.

 You don't like what these people say, and so
 you attempt to influence others to disregard
 what they say. That *is* your modus operandi;
 you're a one-trick pony.

Well, no, actually my modus operandi is to
*demonstrate* that the TM critics who are
consistently dishonest--like yourself, Vaj,
and Knapp--can't be trusted.  (And of course
I have plenty of other tricks, such as,
for example, rational argument, a trick
that doesn't seem to be in your repertory
at all.)

 You may have convinced yourself that your 
 agenda is against liars and intellectually
 dishonest people, Judy, but I don't think
 you've fooled many others.

(Barry's appeal-to-consensus mantra again:
when he's having trouble making his point,
he conjures up a vast chorus agreeing with 
him.)

The problem with this fantasy, Barry, is that
it doesn't account for the fact that I *don't*
question the honesty of the vast majority of
TM critics here.




[FairfieldLife] Death and Stuff

2007-01-20 Thread Rick Archer
My sources tell me that:

1.   No one on campus committed suicide.

2.   There is a guy living in Utopia Park who's dying slowly (aren't we
all?). He has known for about a year and hasn't even told his family. He
goes to the dome and is happy.

 

BTW, Death and Stuff was the name a friend of mine came up with for a
hypothetical trendy Georgetown mortuary. Anyone looking for a hot business
idea?



Re: [FairfieldLife] Death and Stuff

2007-01-20 Thread Sal Sunshine
On Jan 20, 2007, at 10:08 AM, Rick Archer wrote:

 My sources tell me that:
 1. No one on campus committed suicide.

Good to hear and pretty much what I figured. But the real question, 
Rick, is...what does the Magic 8-Ball say?

 2. There is a guy living in Utopia Park who’s dying slowly (aren’t we 
 all?).

I was thinking that as well.

 He has known for about a year and hasn’t even told his family. He goes 
 to the dome and is happy.

If he's happy, great--we  should all be so lucky.  Is he getting any 
support from the TMO?
  
 BTW, “Death and Stuff” was the name a friend of mine came up with for 
 a hypothetical trendy Georgetown mortuary. Anyone looking for a hot 
 business idea?
  


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[FairfieldLife] Re: Another Nisargadatta quote

2007-01-20 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, qntmpkt qntmpkt@ wrote:
 
  ---Everything happens as it must is a ridiculous Neo-Advaitin 
  tautology conveying no useful information; and it's not provable 
or 
  disprovable.
 
 I wonder if it has more to do with attachment
 vs. nonattachment.  If everything happens as it
 must is your *experience*, then when something
 doesn't go the way you expect or want, you don't
 get all uptight about it.

Just like the original quote Marek posted said: The heart of things 
is at peace.




[FairfieldLife] Re: 'TM-Flip-outs by JM Knapp, anti-TM blogger 1.19.2007

2007-01-20 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 Posted by John M. Knapp, 
First there was the recent submission on the Transcendental 
Meditation Age of Enlightenment techniques. Then followed the lively 
discussion pointing out that the Maharishi tried first one version 
then another on unsuspecting 6-Month course participants.
 
 The guy was basically making it up as he went along. If one thing 
didn't work, why then he'd try something else. Older readers here 
may remember that the Maharishi referred to the Age of Enlightenment 
techniques and the later sidhis as research experiments into 
consciousness after all.
 
 As Joseppi justly pointed out, we were just lab rats to the 
Maharishi. Worse, we were paying lab rats. We paid not only the 
equivalent of $25,000 in today's money, we paid in time from our 
lives. And some of us paid in psychological damage from spiritual 
experiments that the Maharishi had no idea how they would turn out. 
Until we lined up to sip the psychological Kool Aid.
 
 This isn't just morally wrong. It's criminal.
 
 After the Nazi horrors of World War II, during which Nazi 
scientists experimented medically and psychologically on Jews and 
others, the world reacted with shock. They passed the Nuremberg Code 
of Ethics, parts of which were later incorporated into the Geneva 
Conventions. International law made it illegal to perform any type 
of human experimentation without the informed consent of 
participants. Informed consent requires that test subjects be told 
in advance that they are taking part in experimental procedures – 
and the possible side effects. Impermissible experiments on humans 
explicitly included not just medical, but psychological 
experimentation as well.
 
 From the victims of the Maharishi's experiments known as the 
Fiuggi Flipouts, to the course participants of the 6-Month Course, 
to the continuing experiments of Ayur Veda and even the million-
dollar Raja course, the Maharishi is conducting impermissible 
experiments on unsuspecting human subjects. 
 
 Not informing us that he is experimenting, that there are unknown 
risks and dangers to physical and mental well-being – that he is in 
fact making it up as he goes along – is a crime against humanity.
   
 
I remember Knapp always walking around stridently as a Movement 
minion while I was at Livingston Manor, like he had a pencil up his 
butt. He doesn't seem to have changed his personality much. Once a 
zealot, always a zealot I suppose.



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMO community?

2007-01-20 Thread Peter
I agree. A .44 is a nasty canon. I like a .45. Keeps
the heathens at bay. 9 mils are for the Pelosi crowd,
tree-huggers and those that complain about global
warming.
 
--- curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 Suspiciously high caliber gun in this story.  I've
 shot 44 mag rounds
 and it is a freak'n canon.  Not a very enjoyable gun
 to shot for
 targets, and is overkill for self-defense.   The
 kind of gun that
 someone who has a bunch of guns would have in his
 collection.  In
 Utopia park? The mystery deepens!
 
 Clint Eastwood in Dirty Harry:
 
 Scorpio freezes, looking at his gun, and Callahan
 utters the most
 famous lines in the movie: I know what you're
 thinking. 'Did he fire
 six shots or only five?' Well, to tell you the
 truth, in all this
 excitement I kind of lost track myself. But being as
 this is a .44
 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world, and
 would blow your
 head clean off, you've got to ask yourself a
 question: 'Do I feel
 lucky?' Well, do ya, punk?
 
 
 (For detail nuts there is a 50 cal handgun now)
 
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
 lurkernomore20002000
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
 dhamiltony2k5 
  dhamiltony2k5@ wrote:
  
   
   Om, check with the Sherriff dept.?   They were
 serving a paper to 
   someone on campus, knocked on the door and heard
 a gunshot go off 
   inside.  They were glad that it was not pointed
 at them.  Instead 
  it was a self-inflicted 44 cal to the head.  
   
   Yes with all the privacy rules now, it is
 interesting that no one 
  can 
   comment on a public incident that did happened. 
 Speak the sweet 
   truth?  
   
   One of the Utopia Park employees was with the
 deputy when it 
   happened.  Of course no names can be given so
 the deputies are 
  very careful in the recount but descriptive of
 something that 
  evidently happened this week.  Everyone is
 cautious on all sides for 
  different reasons of privacy.  
   
   I was hoping someone like Sal who is more
 connected up here could 
   come up with the name.  It is a sad story and
 would be nice to 
  know the name to lend support to anyone if needed.
   
  This nicely ties up all the loose ends with the
 Purusha person 
  dying at Utopia park, the suicide, except that
 none of it is 
  confirmed except by Doug.  Privacy rules when the
 police serve a 
  warrant and hear a gunshot?  Come on.  That ain't
 how it works.  
  This IS the stuff that makes the news.  Come clean
 Doug.
  
  lurk
  
 
 
 
 
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Maharishi, Nazis Jews'

2007-01-20 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

  Dissolve the notion that anyone can hurt you,.
   This ultimately this removes the illusion, that anyone has power 
over you.
   No one is holding a gun to anyone.
   Whoever is stuck in victimization
   For whatever reason that seems so justified,
   Whether they blame the government for their problems, or their 
family, the ex-wife, the court system, demons or angels...
   In the end, you are responsible 
   R.G.
 
Beautifully said!



[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM's confusing guide to higher consciousness unraveled....

2007-01-20 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
 snip 
  The seven states of consciousness are identified, according to 
the
 MUM style guide, as:
  
  http://resources.mum.edu/manuals/styleguide.pdf  
  Turiya Chetanå (Transcendental Consciousness) 
  Turiyåtit Chetanå (Cosmic Consciousness) 
  Bhagavad Chetanå (God Consciousness) 
  Bråhmi Chetanå (Unity Consciousness) 
   
  Seems to me that these terms should be traceable to one or more
 sanskrit sources. 
  Turiya, for instance, is found in one of the Upanishads.
 
 
 Brahmi Chetana or Brahman Consciousness, Maharishi himself refers 
to
 as *Cosmic Consciousness* in Love and God! Let me attempt to remove
 the confusion, when MMY talks about CC, if it's on the level of the
 individual he means simply Self-Realization or soul/jiva 
realization.
  
 When he speaks of Bråhmi Chetanå (Unity) then he is *still* 
speaking
 of CC, but at the level of Brahman, get it?
 
 Remember Jiva and Brahman are different terms signifying different
 degrees and quality of the one Cosmic Being...
 
 MMY repeatedly refers to Brahman as the state of Cosmic 
Consciousness
 which is consistent terminology with other groups. (See Gita CH V,
 vs21  ChII vs 72).
 
 It's confusing because the common nomenclature of Cosmic 
Consciousness
 as the final and highest state of consciousness, is correct. But 
MMY
 uses CC and UC interchangably and hence the confusion.
 
 CC essentially is what MMY says it is in Love and God, Purnam adah 
and
 Purnam idam. (That Unmanifested Brahman is perfect and This 
Manifested
 Brahman is also perfect.) This is COSMIC CONSCIOUSNESS, the 
highest!
 
 Just remember, TC or CC, according to MMY is simply Brahman on the
 level of the individual (jiva or soul) and therefore distinct in
 quality and degree from Brahman chaitanya. See Gita VI vs3.

Thanks for analyzing this so that it is clear. I too was confused by 
this apparent inconsistency, and though it felt right intuitively to 
conclude as you have, it is always satisfying to read the 
justification for intuition.



[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO community?

2007-01-20 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
When something like this happens, we often
 tend to think of what the suicide *symbolizes*, in 
 terms of our different beliefs or lack thereof. But
 it's also good to remember that suicide is a great
 deal more than a symbol, and affects a lot of very
 real people, most of whom are caught unawares by
 the action of someone they loved deeply. I had a 
 brother who committed suicide. It's a bitch to deal
 with. My best thoughts and wishes to those who may
 be dealing with it there.

Well said- I went through a similar experience, and you are right, the 
symbolic nature of the death obscures for those who didn't know the 
deceased the act felt in human terms by family and friends.



[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO community?

2007-01-20 Thread curtisdeltablues
Yeah the .45 is a real shooters gun.  My friends who are really into
competitions shoot that caliber.  Fantastic accuracy.  I opted for a
Walther PPKS 380.  I havn't shot it in years but it is a pleasure to
shoot.  I think a revolver is more practical for a self-defense piece
but I was a target shooter.  I used to go to a range that rented all
the calibers so I could try them all.  The 44 was so loud and there
was a muzzle flash that was way too distracting for me to be accurate
with it.  Someone brought in an 9 mil Uzi with a 25 round clip once. 
It was semi-auto but when they kept it rolling you really wanted to
hit the dirt.  Cops who face those kind of guns on the street have
balls of steel.  It creates a primal terror to hear so many rounds go
off.  Shooting 38s in a 357 mag gun is a nice way to shoot.  The heavy
gun loaded with a lighter round helps you relax as you squeeze the
trigger.  I never could enjoy even a 357 mag round though.  The kick
was just too unpleasant for me to breath properly to be accurate.  I
guess my balls are of a softer alloy!  But as Dirty Harry said A
man's got to know his limitations!




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I agree. A .44 is a nasty canon. I like a .45. Keeps
 the heathens at bay. 9 mils are for the Pelosi crowd,
 tree-huggers and those that complain about global
 warming.
  
 --- curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 
  Suspiciously high caliber gun in this story.  I've
  shot 44 mag rounds
  and it is a freak'n canon.  Not a very enjoyable gun
  to shot for
  targets, and is overkill for self-defense.   The
  kind of gun that
  someone who has a bunch of guns would have in his
  collection.  In
  Utopia park? The mystery deepens!
  
  Clint Eastwood in Dirty Harry:
  
  Scorpio freezes, looking at his gun, and Callahan
  utters the most
  famous lines in the movie: I know what you're
  thinking. 'Did he fire
  six shots or only five?' Well, to tell you the
  truth, in all this
  excitement I kind of lost track myself. But being as
  this is a .44
  Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world, and
  would blow your
  head clean off, you've got to ask yourself a
  question: 'Do I feel
  lucky?' Well, do ya, punk?
  
  
  (For detail nuts there is a 50 cal handgun now)
  
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
  lurkernomore20002000
  steve.sundur@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
  dhamiltony2k5 
   dhamiltony2k5@ wrote:
   

Om, check with the Sherriff dept.?   They were
  serving a paper to 
someone on campus, knocked on the door and heard
  a gunshot go off 
inside.  They were glad that it was not pointed
  at them.  Instead 
   it was a self-inflicted 44 cal to the head.  

Yes with all the privacy rules now, it is
  interesting that no one 
   can 
comment on a public incident that did happened. 
  Speak the sweet 
truth?  

One of the Utopia Park employees was with the
  deputy when it 
happened.  Of course no names can be given so
  the deputies are 
   very careful in the recount but descriptive of
  something that 
   evidently happened this week.  Everyone is
  cautious on all sides for 
   different reasons of privacy.  

I was hoping someone like Sal who is more
  connected up here could 
come up with the name.  It is a sad story and
  would be nice to 
   know the name to lend support to anyone if needed.

   This nicely ties up all the loose ends with the
  Purusha person 
   dying at Utopia park, the suicide, except that
  none of it is 
   confirmed except by Doug.  Privacy rules when the
  police serve a 
   warrant and hear a gunshot?  Come on.  That ain't
  how it works.  
   This IS the stuff that makes the news.  Come clean
  Doug.
   
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[FairfieldLife] Re: A. Of E. Techniques- Circa 1975

2007-01-20 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 This was not the most common A of E technique given
 out in '75. In fact, I've never heard of this specific
 technique before. MMY gave out many different ones and
 asked us to stay in touch with him by writing what our
 experiences were and sending him these reports.
 
pure, unmitigated evil!



RE: [FairfieldLife] Death and Stuff

2007-01-20 Thread Rick Archer
 -Original Message-
 From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sal Sunshine
 Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 10:33 AM
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Death and Stuff
 
  He has known for about a year and hasn't even told his family. He
 goes
  to the dome and is happy.
 
 If he's happy, great--we  should all be so lucky.  Is he getting any
 support from the TMO?
 
Haven't heard. In fact, it would be interesting to know what kind of support
other notables who've died received. Skip Alexander, Jane Hopson, etc.



[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM's confusing guide to higher consciousness unraveled....

2007-01-20 Thread wgm4u
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 no_reply@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
  snip 
   The seven states of consciousness are identified, according to 
 the
  MUM style guide, as:
   
   http://resources.mum.edu/manuals/styleguide.pdf  
   Turiya Chetanå (Transcendental Consciousness) 
   Turiyåtit Chetanå (Cosmic Consciousness) 
   Bhagavad Chetanå (God Consciousness) 
   Bråhmi Chetanå (Unity Consciousness) 

   Seems to me that these terms should be traceable to one or more
  sanskrit sources. 
   Turiya, for instance, is found in one of the Upanishads.
  
  
  Brahmi Chetana or Brahman Consciousness, Maharishi himself refers 
 to
  as *Cosmic Consciousness* in Love and God! Let me attempt to remove
  the confusion, when MMY talks about CC, if it's on the level of the
  individual he means simply Self-Realization or soul/jiva 
 realization.
   
  When he speaks of Bråhmi Chetanå (Unity) then he is *still* 
 speaking
  of CC, but at the level of Brahman, get it?
  
  Remember Jiva and Brahman are different terms signifying different
  degrees and quality of the one Cosmic Being...
  
  MMY repeatedly refers to Brahman as the state of Cosmic 
 Consciousness
  which is consistent terminology with other groups. (See Gita CH V,
  vs21  ChII vs 72).
  
  It's confusing because the common nomenclature of Cosmic 
 Consciousness
  as the final and highest state of consciousness, is correct. But 
 MMY
  uses CC and UC interchangably and hence the confusion.
  
  CC essentially is what MMY says it is in Love and God, Purnam adah 
 and
  Purnam idam. (That Unmanifested Brahman is perfect and This 
 Manifested
  Brahman is also perfect.) This is COSMIC CONSCIOUSNESS, the 
 highest!
  
  Just remember, TC or CC, according to MMY is simply Brahman on the
  level of the individual (jiva or soul) and therefore distinct in
  quality and degree from Brahman chaitanya. See Gita VI vs3.
 
 Thanks for analyzing this so that it is clear. I too was confused by 
 this apparent inconsistency, and though it felt right intuitively to 
 conclude as you have, it is always satisfying to read the 
 justification for intuition.


Thanks...I'm glad I'm not the only one who was racking his brain!!:-)



[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO community?

2007-01-20 Thread dhamiltony2k5
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Community?
 
 
 And now also in utopia Park on campus is someone else, a longterm 
 movement person who is passing away of some disease process.  No 
 money, no family, no primary care-giver, not able to hire anyone to 
 nurse him in the end.  
 

The needs got figured out by friends this week.  Bill Krist is in the 
final days with a brain tumor.  In spirit and character he is doing 
well with it.  Was moved to Parkview this week and is very fine with 
that.

-Doug



[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO community?

2007-01-20 Thread Richard J. Williams
TurquoiseB wrote:
 You may have convinced yourself that your 
 agenda is against liars and intellectually
 dishonest people, Judy, but I don't think
 you've fooled many others.

So, it's all about Judy.




[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO community?

2007-01-20 Thread taskcentered
Judy, 

We didn't start the rumor, but did report. We picked up the news from
an anonymous submitter to the blog and then read Doug Hamilton's
posting on FFL.

We later retracted the story because we couldn't confirm it through
authorities.

We clearly made a mistake in publishing our post. We believed we had
two sources, but without names and details and official confirmation
we should not have posted the story.

It's a mistake we will not make again.

Our apologies to anyone disturbed by the publishing of an apparently
fictional event.

John M. Knapp, LMSW
http://tmfree.blogspot.com/



[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO community?

2007-01-20 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, taskcentered [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 Judy, 
 
 We didn't start the rumor, but did report. We picked up the news 
from
 an anonymous submitter to the blog and then read Doug Hamilton's
 posting on FFL.
 
 We later retracted the story because we couldn't confirm it through
 authorities.
 
 We clearly made a mistake in publishing our post. We believed we had
 two sources, but without names and details and official confirmation
 we should not have posted the story.
 
 It's a mistake we will not make again.

Tell us again about the time MMY was rumored
to be sending small groups of fanatical true
believers off to isolated camps in the jungle
to await the nuclear holocaust, John.




[FairfieldLife] Re: No man cometh unto the Father (Brahman) except thru me....

2007-01-20 Thread nablusos108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 As Jesus, the Christed one, so well put it, the Christ in him was 
one
 with the Absolute, (CC)
 and like Jesus we must realize 'Christ' in us (as God Consciousness,
 personal) BEFORE we can become one with the Father, Brahman or
 impersonal God.
 
 Christ Chaitanya (consciousness) is awareness of the personal God IN
 creation (manifest). Christ means simply 'annointed one', so we must
 become Christed like Jesus before we can reach Cosmic Consciousness 
or
 oneness (Unity) with the Father.
 
 God consciousness is awareness of the universal Soul of Creation, it
 is essentially formless consciousness (chaitanya), it can take ANY 
form!
 
 Unity or CC is awareness of Brahman beyond creation and ultimately 
as
 both, the manifest God AND the unmanifest God together, this 
teaching
 (i.e. Jesus) is entirely missing from Maharishi's TMorg.

For more information; please see: http://shareintl.org

Jesus and The Christ are to different teachers altogether, though 
united in Masterhood.
Of course Maharishi went beyond the teaching of Jesus, as Jesus where 
app. in CC at the crusification.




[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO community?

2007-01-20 Thread taskcentered
That's a significant distortion of a post nearly 10 years ago.

You keep setting up straw dogs, Judy. I have little doubt you will be
able to knock them down.

John M. Knapp, LMSW
http://tmfree.blogspot.com/

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, taskcentered no_reply@ 
 wrote:
 
  Judy, 
  
  We didn't start the rumor, but did report. We picked up the news 
 from
  an anonymous submitter to the blog and then read Doug Hamilton's
  posting on FFL.
  
  We later retracted the story because we couldn't confirm it through
  authorities.
  
  We clearly made a mistake in publishing our post. We believed we had
  two sources, but without names and details and official confirmation
  we should not have posted the story.
  
  It's a mistake we will not make again.
 
 Tell us again about the time MMY was rumored
 to be sending small groups of fanatical true
 believers off to isolated camps in the jungle
 to await the nuclear holocaust, John.





[FairfieldLife] Re: Another Nisargadatta quote

2007-01-20 Thread nablusos108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, qntmpkt qntmpkt@ wrote:
  
   ---Everything happens as it must is a ridiculous Neo-Advaitin 
   tautology conveying no useful information; and it's not 
provable 
 or 
   disprovable.
  
  I wonder if it has more to do with attachment
  vs. nonattachment.  If everything happens as it
  must is your *experience*, then when something
  doesn't go the way you expect or want, you don't
  get all uptight about it.
 
 Just like the original quote Marek posted said: The heart of 
things 
 is at peace.

All is well, all manners of things are well. - Maharishi




[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO community?

2007-01-20 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, taskcentered no_reply@ 
 wrote:
 
  Judy, 
  
  We didn't start the rumor, but did report. We picked up 
  the news from an anonymous submitter to the blog and then 
  read Doug Hamilton's posting on FFL.
  
  We later retracted the story because we couldn't confirm 
  it through authorities.
  
  We clearly made a mistake in publishing our post. We 
  believed we had two sources, but without names and details 
  and official confirmation we should not have posted the story.
  
  It's a mistake we will not make again.
 
 Tell us again about the time MMY was rumored
 to be sending small groups of fanatical true
 believers off to isolated camps in the jungle
 to await the nuclear holocaust, John.

In other words, John can admit to making a
mistake by posting his (seemingly false) rumor, 
but Judy cannot. Instead, when called on posting
a seemingly equally false rumor, she re-attacks, 
and redoubles her efforts to discredit John.

That said, Gina's post on TM-Free hardly con-
stitutes a retraction, John. It's a Judy-
style retraction, saying in essence, Ooops,
we may have screwed up by publishing this bad
stuff, but here is some *other* bad stuff you 
should know about the group we're dedicated 
to writing bad stuff about. To wit:


Follow Up on Rumored MUM Suicide January 2007

Posted by Gina at 1/20/2007 01:42:00 AM

My good friend in Fairfield checked with TM 
village criers. There is no word about a 
recent suicide on MUM campus.

She said they calmly responded, THAT one 
is just a rumor. They continued with their 
cafe' dinner. Suicides and other tragic 
stories of medical  financial neglect are 
common features of TM Organization life.

Then she offered, But do you want to know 
about our community suicides of the last 
year or two? .. one woman put her head in 
an oven, another man hanged himself in his 
basement, and someone jumped in front of a 
moving train. It's all so sad.


Hint: I think it's nice to claim that you
published a retraction, but other than
this post to FFL, I don't see one. So far
there have been two different stories pre-
sented here on FFL -- one claiming informa-
tion from the Sheriff's office that such an 
event did take place, and others suggest-
ing that it didn't. I suggest that we all
wait to see which is which and then those
who were mistaken can say so clearly, not
with a cheap-shot Yeah, I might have been 
wrong about that first smut I posted, but 
here's some more smut for you. 

That's a trick you *learned* from Judy, John.
If you don't want to be considered to be just
like her, you'll do a better job with your
next retraction, or avoid having to make one.

For a blog that claims to be 99 and 44/100ths
TM-free, that 56th of a percent is looking
more than a little obsessive.





[FairfieldLife] Re: 'TM-Flip-outs by JM Knapp, anti-TM blogger 1.19.2007

2007-01-20 Thread nablusos108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel babajii_99@ 
 wrote:
 
  Posted by John M. Knapp, 
 First there was the recent submission on the Transcendental 
 Meditation Age of Enlightenment techniques. Then followed the 
lively 
 discussion pointing out that the Maharishi tried first one version 
 then another on unsuspecting 6-Month course participants.
  
  The guy was basically making it up as he went along. If one thing 
 didn't work, why then he'd try something else. Older readers here 
 may remember that the Maharishi referred to the Age of 
Enlightenment 
 techniques and the later sidhis as research experiments into 
 consciousness after all.
  
  As Joseppi justly pointed out, we were just lab rats to the 
 Maharishi. Worse, we were paying lab rats. We paid not only the 
 equivalent of $25,000 in today's money, we paid in time from our 
 lives. And some of us paid in psychological damage from spiritual 
 experiments that the Maharishi had no idea how they would turn out. 
 Until we lined up to sip the psychological Kool Aid.
  
  This isn't just morally wrong. It's criminal.
  
  After the Nazi horrors of World War II, during which Nazi 
 scientists experimented medically and psychologically on Jews and 
 others, the world reacted with shock. They passed the Nuremberg 
Code 
 of Ethics, parts of which were later incorporated into the Geneva 
 Conventions. International law made it illegal to perform any type 
 of human experimentation without the informed consent of 
 participants. Informed consent requires that test subjects be 
told 
 in advance that they are taking part in experimental procedures – 
 and the possible side effects. Impermissible experiments on 
humans 
 explicitly included not just medical, but psychological 
 experimentation as well.
  
  From the victims of the Maharishi's experiments known as the 
 Fiuggi Flipouts, to the course participants of the 6-Month Course, 
 to the continuing experiments of Ayur Veda and even the million-
 dollar Raja course, the Maharishi is conducting impermissible 
 experiments on unsuspecting human subjects. 
  
  Not informing us that he is experimenting, that there are unknown 
 risks and dangers to physical and mental well-being – that he is in 
 fact making it up as he goes along – is a crime against humanity.

  
 I remember Knapp always walking around stridently as a Movement 
 minion while I was at Livingston Manor, like he had a pencil up his 
 butt. He doesn't seem to have changed his personality much. Once a 
 zealot, always a zealot I suppose.

This fellow, as many others, are attracted by the smell of $; they 
think they have hit an opportunity. They have nowhere to go, and will 
get nowhere. If they sue the Movement they will loose, and having the 
thought in mind to harm Maharishi, they do even more damage to their 
own future lives. Simple rules of Karma really. 




[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO community?

2007-01-20 Thread nablusos108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, taskcentered [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Judy, 
 
 We didn't start the rumor, but did report. We picked up the news from
 an anonymous submitter to the blog and then read Doug Hamilton's
 posting on FFL.
 
 We later retracted the story because we couldn't confirm it through
 authorities.
 
 We clearly made a mistake in publishing our post. We believed we had
 two sources, but without names and details and official confirmation
 we should not have posted the story.
 
 It's a mistake we will not make again.

You will do anything to harm yourself, no ?




Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMO community?

2007-01-20 Thread Sal Sunshine
On Jan 20, 2007, at 1:03 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:

 Then she offered, But do you want to know
 about our community suicides of the last
 year or two? .. one woman put her head in
 an oven, another man hanged himself in his
 basement, and someone jumped in front of a
 moving train. It's all so sad.

I noticed that too, and couldn't believe that's what passes for 
credible information.  I think  what that is is a distillation of 
several TM suicides over a period of many years.  Don't know anything 
about the oven story, but I do think someone in the DC community hanged 
himself--a *long* time ago.  And I'm not sure about the train story, 
but I think that was also a long time ago here in FF--if at all.

The idea that any of these things could happen recently and nobody 
would have heard of them is idiocy.  Either that's a fake conversation, 
or the person doing the talking as well as the one doing the reporting 
needs to, I don't know--maybe get a life?

 Hint: I think it's nice to claim that you
 published a retraction, but other than
 this post to FFL, I don't see one. So far
 there have been two different stories pre-
 sented here on FFL -- one claiming informa-
 tion from the Sheriff's office that such an
 event did take place, and others suggest-
 ing that it didn't. I suggest that we all
 wait to see which is which and then those
 who were mistaken can say so clearly, not
 with a cheap-shot Yeah, I might have been
 wrong about that first smut I posted, but
 here's some more smut for you.

 That's a trick you *learned* from Judy, John.
 If you don't want to be considered to be just
 like her, you'll do a better job with your
 next retraction, or avoid having to make one.

 For a blog that claims to be 99 and 44/100ths
 TM-free, that 56th of a percent is looking
 more than a little obsessive.



Re: [FairfieldLife] 'TM-Flip-outs by JM Knapp, anti-TM blogger 1.19.2007

2007-01-20 Thread Bhairitu
Why was he experimenting anyway? A true acharya knows what effect 
techniques have as they have been passed down through the tradition and 
thus time tested. So we must gather that Maharishi never achieved 
acharya level and is not that much different from a new agers messing 
around with mantras and techniques they get out of a book and forming 
their own mystery school. God knows we have a lot of those kind of 
people nowadays.

Robert Gimbel wrote:
 Posted by John M. Knapp, 
First there was the recent submission on the Transcendental Meditation Age 
 of Enlightenment techniques. Then followed the lively discussion pointing out 
 that the Maharishi tried first one version then another on unsuspecting 
 6-Month course participants.

 The guy was basically making it up as he went along. If one thing didn't 
 work, why then he'd try something else. Older readers here may remember that 
 the Maharishi referred to the Age of Enlightenment techniques and the later 
 sidhis as research experiments into consciousness after all.

 As Joseppi justly pointed out, we were just lab rats to the Maharishi. Worse, 
 we were paying lab rats. We paid not only the equivalent of $25,000 in 
 today's money, we paid in time from our lives. And some of us paid in 
 psychological damage from spiritual experiments that the Maharishi had no 
 idea how they would turn out. Until we lined up to sip the psychological Kool 
 Aid.

 This isn't just morally wrong. It's criminal.

 After the Nazi horrors of World War II, during which Nazi scientists 
 experimented medically and psychologically on Jews and others, the world 
 reacted with shock. They passed the Nuremberg Code of Ethics, parts of which 
 were later incorporated into the Geneva Conventions. International law made 
 it illegal to perform any type of human experimentation without the informed 
 consent of participants. Informed consent requires that test subjects be 
 told in advance that they are taking part in experimental procedures – and 
 the possible side effects. Impermissible experiments on humans explicitly 
 included not just medical, but psychological experimentation as well.

 From the victims of the Maharishi's experiments known as the Fiuggi 
 Flipouts, to the course participants of the 6-Month Course, to the 
 continuing experiments of Ayur Veda and even the million-dollar Raja course, 
 the Maharishi is conducting impermissible experiments on unsuspecting human 
 subjects. 

 Not informing us that he is experimenting, that there are unknown risks and 
 dangers to physical and mental well-being – that he is in fact making it up 
 as he goes along – is a crime against humanity.
   
 


  
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[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO community?

2007-01-20 Thread Alex Stanley
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I agree. A .44 is a nasty canon. I like a .45. Keeps
 the heathens at bay. 9 mils are for the Pelosi crowd,
 tree-huggers and those that complain about global
 warming.

I pity the fool who finds himself on the receiving end of a 9mm
Hydra-Shok JHP.



[FairfieldLife] 'Intentions Interests of US, China, and Russia'

2007-01-20 Thread Robert Gimbel
The last of the three super-powers...
  We need to study their strategy, in the light;
  Of current events, and in relation to Iran.
  Iran, seems to be at the center of the storm,
  In the West.
  Taiwan, seems to be at the center of the storm;
  In the East.
  By showing their 'ace in the hole', by blowing up their satellite;
  China showed its pride, but at what price?
  By invading Iraq, the US showed it's pride, but at what price?
  By selling arms to Iran, Russia showed it's pride, but at what price?
  Real leadership, needs to be sharp, focused and realistic, about our enemy's 
and our own self-interest.
  We are in a time which mirrors the factors of WWII.
  What was needed then, and what is need now, is the reassuring:
  'Fireside chat, in the US, and perhaps a comforting leader to come forth,
  From Europe.
   
   

 
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Don't pick lemons.
See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos.

[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO community?

2007-01-20 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, taskcentered [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
[I wrote:]
  Tell us again about the time MMY was rumored
  to be sending small groups of fanatical true
  believers off to isolated camps in the jungle
  to await the nuclear holocaust, John.

 That's a significant distortion of a post nearly 10 years ago.

From one of your June 1996 posts to
alt.meditation.transcendental (emphases
added):

The Maharishi is SENDING SMALL GROUPS OF FANATICAL TRUE
BELIEVERS OFF INTO THE JUNGLE with a nebulous mission
and an apocalyptic vision. He's not saying if we're not
careful, something will  happen -- he's telling these 
people that war will break out at any minute. 

If there's one thing we've learned from Jonestown, Aum
Shinrikyo, Waco, Solar Temple, et al, is that doomsday
scenarios like this are absolute pressure cookers for
the true believers involved. 

No matter what the Maharishi's motives are -- he may be
pure as the driven snow for all I know -- I consider
this a *very* dangerous situation. 

I've received several reports of TMers selling homes,
breaking up families, and so forth to go wait out the
'biological war' due within weeks. 

Surely you can see that this is madness? 

I don't dismiss the very real dangers of biological wars
and genetic manipulation. I just don't confuse these
important issues with what appear to be the delusions of
a mad man leading blind followers into ISOLATED CAMPS TO
AWAIT A HOLOCAUST.

Remember, up until the moment that the massacre at Jonestown
took place, Jim Jones was considered a fine humanitarian --
perhaps at worst a little foolish. 

If you *knew* that Jonestown would happen, wouldn't you risk
raising a false alarm?

See the post on alt.meditation.transcendental:
http://tinyurl.com/24z37e

 You keep setting up straw dogs, Judy. I have little doubt
 you will be able to knock them down.

I didn't write the post, John, you did.  The only
thing I got wrong in my paraphrase was that it was
a *biological* rather than a *nuclear* holocaust
the fanatical TMers were to await in their isolated
camps in the jungle.  And, oh, yes, I misspoke when
I suggested you had said it was rumored.  Actually
you insisted it was very much for real.

Anybody who wants to see more of the same, much
of it even more hysterical than the above, can
check the thread Trancenet Alert on 
alt.meditation.transcendental.  Press releases
about the impending disaster were posted to at
least 10 newsgroups, including
alt.meditation.transcendental, alt.meditation,
alt.support.ex-cult, alt.journalism,
alt.conspiracy, alt.politics.perot, alt.politics, 
alt.politics.europe, alt.politics.greens,
and alt.politics.india.

Here's more, where Knapp quotes himself in one
of the pseudo-press releases about the same crisis:

John Knapp, editor of TranceNet, an Internet
publication critical of the Maharishi, commented,
This is a very dangerous signal. Cult leaders
frequently use  apocalyptic announcements to
'gather the faithful.' He pointed out that
similar announcements preceded mass deaths at
Jonestown, Waco, Aum Shinrikyo, and Solar Temple
and other tragedies

This is a frightening turn of events, said
John Knapp. Anybody who lived through Jonestown
and Aum can't fail to see the parallels. The
Maharishi is creating small isolated groups of
dedicated fanatics. Without contact with the
outside world, they're being charged to carry out
a mysterious apocalyptic vision. The Maharishi
has never before painted such a doomsday scenario
in my experience. It looks very bad. I hope that
the authorities and the media take this situation
very seriously so that a tragedy may be avoided. 

alt.meditation.transcendental:
http://tinyurl.com/2za6yb

What Knapp is referring to is one of MMY's
projects, which involved governor couples
setting up Maharishi Vedic Universities in
various places in the third world (cities,
not jungles) to teach the populace TM.

And yet another press release with instructions
for what to do during this crisis:

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE 
What You Can Safely Do During This Crisis

SAN FRANCISCO, Calif. -- June 11, 1996 

Help Avert Another Jonestown 

Spread the Word 

Distribute this press release to every 
Usenet group and email address you 
believe would have a sincere interest. 
(Please avoid unjustified spamming -- 
this will make us more enemies than 
friends on the Net.) 

Gather Information 

Call your local Maharishi Vedic 
University (TM center) and ask for 
details about the Maharishi Vedic 
University Project. Call the President's 
Office of Maharishi University of 
Management, 515.472.1187, and ask for 
information. Also, TranceNet will 
posting frequent bulletins during this 
crisis. 

Send Information to TranceNet 

Whatever verifiable information you 
gather, send to TranceNet, via email at 
[EMAIL PROTECTED], via fax at 
707.996.5560, via snailmail or courier 
at TranceNet, 1034 First Street West, 
Sonoma, CA 95476. 

Call Friends and Loved Ones in the TM 
Movement 


[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO community?

2007-01-20 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, taskcentered [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 That's a significant distortion of a post nearly 10 years ago.

Just to follow up: That it was 10 years ago you
were screeching hysterically about fanatical TMers
being sent to isolated camps in the jungle to 
await the holocaust only makes my point for me:
You're doing now the same thing you were doing
then, trying to start rumors based on unconfirmed
information.  Why we should expect that suddenly
now you'd start being more careful about what you
post, I'm not sure.

And of course what I wrote wasn't a distortion
at all, as we can all see from the quotes in my
earlier post.  So you've just confirmed what I
said about your untrustworthiness.




[FairfieldLife] Re: Another Nisargadatta quote

2007-01-20 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusos108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ 
 wrote:
snip
  Just like the original quote Marek posted said: The heart of 
  things is at peace.
 
 All is well, all manners of things are well. - Maharishi

Actually that was Julian of Norwich, 14th
century English mystic:

All will be well, and all will be well, and all
manner of thing will be well.




[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO community?

2007-01-20 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, taskcentered no_reply@ 
  wrote:
  
   Judy, 
   
   We didn't start the rumor, but did report. We picked up 
   the news from an anonymous submitter to the blog and then 
   read Doug Hamilton's posting on FFL.
   
   We later retracted the story because we couldn't confirm 
   it through authorities.
   
   We clearly made a mistake in publishing our post. We 
   believed we had two sources, but without names and details 
   and official confirmation we should not have posted the story.
   
   It's a mistake we will not make again.
  
  Tell us again about the time MMY was rumored
  to be sending small groups of fanatical true
  believers off to isolated camps in the jungle
  to await the nuclear holocaust, John.
 
 In other words, John can admit to making a
 mistake by posting his (seemingly false) rumor, 
 but Judy cannot.

What on earth makes you think we should trust
John's story about having heard the rumor from
somebody else?

In any case, as you know, my comment had to do
with his never again claim.  He's been doing
this kind of thing for well over 10 years; why
should we assume he's suddenly going to stop now?





[FairfieldLife] Re: 'TM-Flip-outs by JM Knapp, anti-TM blogger 1.19.2007

2007-01-20 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Posted by John M. Knapp, 
First there was the recent submission on the Transcendental Meditation Age 
 of 
Enlightenment techniques. Then followed the lively discussion pointing out that 
the 
Maharishi tried first one version then another on unsuspecting 6-Month course 
participants.
 
 The guy was basically making it up as he went along. If one thing didn't 
 work, why then 
he'd try something else. Older readers here may remember that the Maharishi 
referred to 
the Age of Enlightenment techniques and the later sidhis as research 
experiments into 
consciousness after all.
 
 As Joseppi justly pointed out, we were just lab rats to the Maharishi. Worse, 
 we were 
paying lab rats. We paid not only the equivalent of $25,000 in today's money, 
we paid in 
time from our lives. And some of us paid in psychological damage from 
spiritual 
experiments that the Maharishi had no idea how they would turn out. Until we 
lined up to 
sip the psychological Kool Aid.
 
 This isn't just morally wrong. It's criminal.
 
 After the Nazi horrors of World War II, during which Nazi scientists 
 experimented 
medically and psychologically on Jews and others, the world reacted with shock. 
They 
passed the Nuremberg Code of Ethics, parts of which were later incorporated 
into the 
Geneva Conventions. International law made it illegal to perform any type of 
human 
experimentation without the informed consent of participants. Informed consent 
requires 
that test subjects be told in advance that they are taking part in 
experimental procedures 
– and the possible side effects. Impermissible experiments on humans 
explicitly included 
not just medical, but psychological experimentation as well.
 
 From the victims of the Maharishi's experiments known as the Fiuggi Flipouts, 
 to the 
course participants of the 6-Month Course, to the continuing experiments of 
Ayur Veda 
and even the million-dollar Raja course, the Maharishi is conducting 
impermissible 
experiments on unsuspecting human subjects. 
 
 Not informing us that he is experimenting, that there are unknown risks and 
 dangers to 
physical and mental well-being – that he is in fact making it up as he goes 
along – is a 
crime against humanity.
   


As the former grants administrator to MIU said, Maharishi is far worse than Jim 
Jones...


Does anyone really take these guys seriously?



[FairfieldLife] Re: Another Nisargadatta quote

2007-01-20 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis reavismarek@
   wrote:
   
The ordinary man is personally concerned, he counts his 
risks and chances, while the gnani remains aloof, sure 
that all will happen as it must; and it does not matter 
much what happens, for ultimately the return to balance 
and harmony is inevitable. The heart of things is at peace.
   
   Nice. I always liked this gem from Lao-tzu:
   
   A good traveler has no fixed plans
   and is not intent upon arriving.
   
   
   Road Trip Mind, in only 13 words.
  
  
  No matter where you go, there you are...
 
 
 Or aren't, depending on your state of 
 consciousness.  :-)
 
 But do you have the answer to the koan 
 presented in that film:
 
 What's in the big pink box, man?
 
 :-)


I forgot.



[FairfieldLife] Re: Death and Stuff

2007-01-20 Thread markmeredith2002
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  -Original Message-
  From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sal Sunshine
  Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 10:33 AM
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Death and Stuff
  
   He has known for about a year and hasn't even told his family. He
  goes
   to the dome and is happy.
  
  If he's happy, great--we  should all be so lucky.  Is he getting any
  support from the TMO?
  
 Haven't heard. In fact, it would be interesting to know what kind of
support
 other notables who've died received. Skip Alexander, Jane Hopson, etc.

Notables in the tmo tend to have money which helps in that situation.
   The problem is with purushas and MDs (and other full timer staff)
who get kicked off if diagnosed with a disease and they have little to
no money and are generally estranged from their families - their
spiritual group was their family but that's taken from them when they
get sick which is the time they need that kind of support.  OFten they
still have ideas about ayurved or yagyas curing them which motivates
them to make foolish treatment choices.  PLus they're out in the world
maybe for the first time in decades which would be difficult enough
for them even without being sick.  This has created a very difficult
situation for many people and it's only going to increase in frequency
as the baby boomers in the tmo approach their 60s.






[FairfieldLife] Re: 'TM-Flip-outs by JM Knapp, anti-TM blogger 1.19.2007

2007-01-20 Thread Alex Stanley
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I remember Knapp always walking around stridently as a Movement 
 minion while I was at Livingston Manor, like he had a pencil up his 
 butt. He doesn't seem to have changed his personality much. Once a 
 zealot, always a zealot I suppose.

He strikes me as being in no less a state of polarity about TM as the
most ardent TM TB; he's merely flipped from one extreme to the
opposite extreme. And, he apparently fancies himself a therapist who
specializes in helping people who have left the TM org. But, can
someone in bondage to polarity who actively tries to recruit others
into the same state of polarity truly offer any degree of real freedom
as a therapist? I think a person who believes he was harmed by his
involvement with TM would be better served by a therapist with some
degree of equanimity.



[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO community?

2007-01-20 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ 
  wrote:
  
   
   On Jan 19, 2007, at 9:59 PM, m2smart4u2000 wrote:
Why doesn't anyone ever name names on this site. Who is dying and
who shot themselves?
   
   M2, you're on campus, right?  Heard anything about any suicides?  I 
   haven't, and there hasn't been anything in the papers either.   
  Would 
   definitely be front-page news in a town this size.
  
  I think this rumor may have been started by
  Knapp on his blog:
  
  Sad News: Possible MUM Suicide
   
  Posted by John M. Knapp, LMSW at 1/19/2007 10:36:00 AM 
 
 Doug's post to FFL containing the rumor is dated earlier than that
 blog entry:
 

 Fri Jan 19, 2007 5:42 am
 
 I'm more inclined to believe he reposted on his blog the rumor he read
 on FFL.


Rumors from FFL. Now THERE is a reliable source of information...



[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO community?

2007-01-20 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

M2, you're on campus, right?  Heard anything about any 
suicides?  I haven't, and there hasn't been anything 
in the papers either. Would definitely be front-page 
news in a town this size.
   
   I think this rumor may have been started by
   Knapp on his blog:
   
   Sad News: Possible MUM Suicide

   Posted by John M. Knapp, LMSW at 1/19/2007 10:36:00 AM 
  
  Doug's post to FFL containing the rumor is dated earlier 
  than that blog entry:
  
  Fri Jan 19, 2007 5:42 am
  
  I'm more inclined to believe he reposted on his blog the 
  rumor he read on FFL.
 
 I noticed this, too, just as I did my research
 after reading the first mention of the rumor 
 here by searching the online version of the 
 Fairfield Ledger. I couldn't find anything there 
 or on Google or in any of the neighboring Iowa 
 papers, so I chalked it up as a rumor, and didn't 
 bother to comment on it here. Especially because 
 a few others had already done so, asking for 
 validation of the rumor.
 
 Compare and contrast to (what appears to be) John
 Knapp reading the rumor here, wanting to believe
 it were true and thus *not* doing his research, 
 and printing it on his blog as truth.
 
 Also compare and contrast to one person here,
 reading John Knapp's blog and finding his version 
 of the rumor, wanting to believe it was the source
 and thus *not* doing her research by checking the 
 timestamps, and starting her own rumor that John 
 was the original source of the first rumor.
 
 It seems to me that in both of those cases what
 is going on is a person who 1) has an agenda,
 and 2) is willing to forward or start rumors
 that *further* that agenda, without bothering
 to verify their validity.
 
 Fanatics against, fanatics for. Same modus
 operandi.


Eh. If you're talking about me, I never noticed the time-stamps or I would have 
said 
something. 




[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO community?

2007-01-20 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 
 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote:
 
  Community?
  
  I understand that someone committed suicide on campus the other 
 day, 
  shooting themselves in the head.
 
 Om, check with the Sherriff dept.?   They were serving a paper to 
 someone on campus, knocked on the door and heard a gunshot go off 
 inside.  They were glad that it was not pointed at them.  Instead it 
 was a self-inflicted 44 cal to the head.  
 
 Yes with all the privacy rules now, it is interesting that no one can 
 comment on a public incident that did happened.  Speak the sweet 
 truth?  
 
 One of the Utopia Park employees was with the deputy when it 
 happened.  Of course no names can be given so the deputies are very 
 careful in the recount but descriptive of something that evidently 
 happened this week.  Everyone is cautious on all sides for different 
 reasons of privacy.  
 
 I was hoping someone like Sal who is more connected up here could 
 come up with the name.  It is a sad story and would be nice to know 
 the name to lend support to anyone if needed.
 
 -Doug in FF


A death can be reported. A suicide can also be reported. Are you sure it wasn't 
merely a 
self-inflicted injury, which can often be accidental (not that gunshot deaths 
aren't often 
accidental as well).



[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM's confusing guide to higher consciousness unraveled....

2007-01-20 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
 snip 
  The seven states of consciousness are identified, according to the
 MUM style guide, as:
  
  http://resources.mum.edu/manuals/styleguide.pdf  
  Turiya Chetanå (Transcendental Consciousness) 
  Turiyåtit Chetanå (Cosmic Consciousness) 
  Bhagavad Chetanå (God Consciousness) 
  Bråhmi Chetanå (Unity Consciousness) 
   
  Seems to me that these terms should be traceable to one or more
 sanskrit sources. 
  Turiya, for instance, is found in one of the Upanishads.
 
 
 Brahmi Chetana or Brahman Consciousness, Maharishi himself refers to
 as *Cosmic Consciousness* in Love and God! Let me attempt to remove
 the confusion, when MMY talks about CC, if it's on the level of the
 individual he means simply Self-Realization or soul/jiva realization.
  
 When he speaks of Bråhmi Chetanå (Unity) then he is *still* speaking
 of CC, but at the level of Brahman, get it?
 
 Remember Jiva and Brahman are different terms signifying different
 degrees and quality of the one Cosmic Being...
 
 MMY repeatedly refers to Brahman as the state of Cosmic Consciousness
 which is consistent terminology with other groups. (See Gita CH V,
 vs21  ChII vs 72).
 
 It's confusing because the common nomenclature of Cosmic Consciousness
 as the final and highest state of consciousness, is correct. But MMY
 uses CC and UC interchangably and hence the confusion.
 
 CC essentially is what MMY says it is in Love and God, Purnam adah and
 Purnam idam. (That Unmanifested Brahman is perfect and This Manifested
 Brahman is also perfect.) This is COSMIC CONSCIOUSNESS, the highest!
 
 Just remember, TC or CC, according to MMY is simply Brahman on the
 level of the individual (jiva or soul) and therefore distinct in
 quality and degree from Brahman chaitanya. See Gita VI vs3.


However, in the Gita, MMY makes a distinction between CC and GC, saying that 
they are 
both states where the subjective experience changes, hence his 4 states x 6 
systems of 
Hindu philosophy = 24 possible Hindu interpretations of any verse thang...

The four states of consciousness being waking, TC, CC and GC. He doesn't refer 
to Unity 
at all in this analysis, presumably because it subsumes the other 4 states of 
consciousness 
AND the 6 systems of philosophy as well.






[FairfieldLife] Raising the flag of the GCWP

2007-01-20 Thread bob_brigante
http://vedichealth-ct.org/ipw-web/gallery/Flag-Raising



[FairfieldLife] Re: 'China- Shifting the Balance of Power'

2007-01-20 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   The Times  January 20, 2007
   Assume nothing: power plays today will have unexpected outcomes 
 tomorrowDavid 
Rothkopf and Jonathan Schmidt
   Current affairs may mask events of greater importance   
  
   The issues and the people
   So much is written so often about power that it is surprising how little we 
 seem to 
understand it. Important shifts in power often take place in the shadows, 
beyond our view. 
As a consequence, sometimes we fail to understand them as they are happening 
and it 
takes decades or centuries before we truly grasp what has transpired. 
   In 1991, the news story of the year was the fall of the Soviet Union. The 
 Cold War was 
over and the geopolitical balance of power of the world had shifted profoundly. 
Yet that 
same year, the recent brainchild of a self-effacing English physicist named Tim 
Berners-
Lee, something that he called the world wide web, was made available to the 
public. 
Certainly, the collapse of the Soviet Union represented a sea-change in the 
global 
distribution of power, but 100 years from now, which of these events will be 
seen as 
touching more lives, empowering more individuals, changing the world in more 
ways? 
Indeed, even today it seems clear that one reason among the many for the 
downfall of 
Soviet communism was the impossibility of closed societies competing in the 
information 
age.   Obviously, 1945 is remembered for the end of the Second World War, but, 
following 
our reasoning above, might it also be remembered perhaps more than it is for 
the 
publication of an article in Atlantic
  Monthly by the prescient Vannevar Bush describing some of the core ideas 
 that 
ultimately led to the internet? At the time, computers barely existed. Who 
could imagine 
the power of his ideas, or the power that his ideas would create or shift?   
There are 
countless such examples throughout history. Could anyone have foretold that the 
ascension of Augustus as Rome's first Emperor would have been transcended in 
terms of 
lasting impact upon the continent on which he was the greatest ruler ever by 
the birth of 
an obscure Jew somewhere in far off Judea? Or that with the death of Zheng He, 
the 
Muslim admiral who led China's age of exploration, in 1433 that the Emperor 
of China 
would choose a course of isolation that ultimately would result in the decline 
of the Ming 
Dynasty and forestall China's engagement in the world as a great power by 
almost six 
centuries?   Part of the reason that predicting the consequences of power 
shifts is so 
difficult is that power flows from so many
  sources. Political and military power may be pre-eminent in our thinking, 
 but religion, 
science, technology, the environment, social trends and countless other drivers 
shape the 
fate of rulers, trigger conflicts and lead to the ebb and flow of the power of 
states, 
economic entities and peoples. In fact, the power structure of the world is 
much like that 
of a complex atom, whirring at many levels, with events at one often triggering 
changes at 
the others.   So it is today. Speaking about the changing global power 
equation, as 
participants will do at the upcoming annual meeting of the World Economic Forum 
in 
Davos, Switzerland, it is natural for thoughts to turn first to questions about 
the 
sustainability of a unipolar world and the limitations we have all learnt that 
constrain the 
sole superpower that survived the end of the Cold War — the United States. One 
can also 
wonder if a focus on the upheaval in the Middle East masks other developments 
of greater 
importance in the


In fact, one of the main neocon rationales for invading Iraq was to establish 
American 
military bases in a Moslem/Arab country friendly to the USA in order to be able 
to project 
credible military power/influence over China.



[FairfieldLife] Re: Death and Stuff

2007-01-20 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Jan 20, 2007, at 10:08 AM, Rick Archer wrote:
 
  My sources tell me that:
  1. No one on campus committed suicide.
 
 Good to hear and pretty much what I figured. But the real question, 
 Rick, is...what does the Magic 8-Ball say?
 
  2. There is a guy living in Utopia Park who's dying slowly (aren't we 
  all?).
 
 I was thinking that as well.
 
  He has known for about a year and hasn't even told his family. He goes 
  to the dome and is happy.
 
 If he's happy, great--we  should all be so lucky.  Is he getting any 
 support from the TMO?

If he hasn't even told his maily, what makes yo think that the TMO has been 
notified?

And what support do y ou think the TMO should be giving him and why? For 
instance, is it 
a progressively deteriorating condition where he willneed more and more life 
support? 
Should the TMO provide that? Etc.

   
  BTW, Death and Stuff was the name a friend of mine came up with for 
  a hypothetical trendy Georgetown mortuary. Anyone looking for a hot 
  business idea?
 





[FairfieldLife] Re: A. Of E. Techniques- Circa 1975

2007-01-20 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote:
 
  This was not the most common A of E technique given
  out in '75. In fact, I've never heard of this specific
  technique before. MMY gave out many different ones and
  asked us to stay in touch with him by writing what our
  experiences were and sending him these reports.
  
 pure, unmitigated evil!


On par with the execution of millions of Jews, for sure for sure.






[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO community?

2007-01-20 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I agree. A .44 is a nasty canon. I like a .45. Keeps
 the heathens at bay. 9 mils are for the Pelosi crowd,
 tree-huggers and those that complain about global
 warming.

Bah. GIve me the handgun developed to handle the Visiters in Alien Nation any 
day...



[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO community?

2007-01-20 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
 
 M2, you're on campus, right?  Heard anything about any 
 suicides?  I haven't, and there hasn't been anything 
 in the papers either. Would definitely be front-page 
 news in a town this size.

I think this rumor may have been started by
Knapp on his blog:

Sad News: Possible MUM Suicide
 
Posted by John M. Knapp, LMSW at 1/19/2007 10:36:00 AM 
   
   Doug's post to FFL containing the rumor is dated earlier 
   than that blog entry:
   
   Fri Jan 19, 2007 5:42 am
   
   I'm more inclined to believe he reposted on his blog the 
   rumor he read on FFL.
  
  I noticed this, too, just as I did my research
  after reading the first mention of the rumor 
  here by searching the online version of the 
  Fairfield Ledger. I couldn't find anything there 
  or on Google or in any of the neighboring Iowa 
  papers, so I chalked it up as a rumor, and didn't 
  bother to comment on it here. Especially because 
  a few others had already done so, asking for 
  validation of the rumor.
  
  Compare and contrast to (what appears to be) John
  Knapp reading the rumor here, wanting to believe
  it were true and thus *not* doing his research, 
  and printing it on his blog as truth.
  
  Also compare and contrast to one person here,
  reading John Knapp's blog and finding his version 
  of the rumor, wanting to believe it was the source
  and thus *not* doing her research by checking the 
  timestamps, and starting her own rumor that John 
  was the original source of the first rumor.
  
  It seems to me that in both of those cases what
  is going on is a person who 1) has an agenda,
  and 2) is willing to forward or start rumors
  that *further* that agenda, without bothering
  to verify their validity.
  
  Fanatics against, fanatics for. Same modus
  operandi.
 
 
 Eh. If you're talking about me, I never noticed the
 time-stamps or I would have said something.

I don't think Barry believes you're a girl, Lawson.

Although with Barry, you never know...




[FairfieldLife] Re: Death and Stuff

2007-01-20 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  -Original Message-
  From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sal Sunshine
  Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 10:33 AM
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Death and Stuff
  
   He has known for about a year and hasn't even told his family. He
  goes
   to the dome and is happy.
  
  If he's happy, great--we  should all be so lucky.  Is he getting any
  support from the TMO?
  
 Haven't heard. In fact, it would be interesting to know what kind of support
 other notables who've died received. Skip Alexander, Jane Hopson, etc.


I don't know about Jane Hopson. Skip got his 15 minutes of fame though:

http://www.springerlink.com/content/vd6c929y75u5/\
?sortorder=ascv=condensedo=10

Volume 7, Number 4 / October, 2000
Journal Journal of Adult Development
Publisher   Springer Netherlands
ISSN1068-0667 (Print) 1573-3440 (Online)
Subject Behavioral Science
Pages   189-290
SpringerLink Date   Sunday, October 31, 2004

1.  Add to marked items
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Author  Jane Schmidt-Wilk
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Alexander's 
Scientific Contributions
Author  William R. Torbert
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Higher States 
of Consciousness in the Individual and the Society
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Re: [FairfieldLife] A. Of E. Techniques- Circa 1975

2007-01-20 Thread Vaj


On Jan 20, 2007, at 9:30 AM, Peter wrote:


This was not the most common A of E technique given
out in '75. In fact, I've never heard of this specific
technique before. MMY gave out many different ones and
asked us to stay in touch with him by writing what our
experiences were and sending him these reports.



Here's the original:

Full Age of Enlightenment Technique
After T[ranscendental]M[editation]S[idhi]P[rogram]:

Place attention on the following in sequence:
Nostrils
Lips
Ears
Eyes
Between Brows
Top of head
Whole head
Throat
Chest
Stomach
Sides of the body
Back
Upper back
Shoulder blades
Upper arms
Lower arms
Palms
Fingers
Upper legs
Ankles
Feet
Whole body

Then have sequential and growing awareness of the following spaces,  
along with the mantras which follow:

City you are in
Country you are in
Continent (North/SouthAmerica)
Africa
Europe
Austral-Asia
Whole world
Earth and the Sun together
The Solar System
The Galaxy
Clusters of Galaxies
Whole Universe
The Absolute
The Whole Body

Lokas (done simultaneously with the above):
Om Bhu (mentally utter at level of clouds)
Om Bhu Va (higher and higher)
Om Sva
Om Maha
Om Jana
Om Tapa
Om Sat Yam (pron: Om Sut Yum)

When you utter Sat Yam place attention on the top of your head.

Have an awareness of the Whole Body.

Sutra: Soma, soma, soma.

Rest 5-10 minutes.



[FairfieldLife] Re: Death and Stuff

2007-01-20 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote:
 
   -Original Message-
   From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sal Sunshine
   Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 10:33 AM
   To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
   Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Death and Stuff
   
He has known for about a year and hasn't even told his family. He
   goes
to the dome and is happy.
   
   If he's happy, great--we  should all be so lucky.  Is he getting any
   support from the TMO?
   
  Haven't heard. In fact, it would be interesting to know what kind of
 support
  other notables who've died received. Skip Alexander, Jane Hopson, etc.
 
 Notables in the tmo tend to have money which helps in that situation.
The problem is with purushas and MDs (and other full timer staff)
 who get kicked off if diagnosed with a disease and they have little to
 no money and are generally estranged from their families

I'm sure it varies from person to person, but the only members of Purusha I 
know/knew 
were people like Rick Archer, George Brown, and the like. Rick can speak for 
himself, but 
George Brown's family was entirely supportive of his involvement with Purusha, 
at least 
according to his sisters.

 - their
 spiritual group was their family but that's taken from them when they
 get sick which is the time they need that kind of support.  OFten they
 still have ideas about ayurved or yagyas curing them which motivates
 them to make foolish treatment choices.  PLus they're out in the world
 maybe for the first time in decades which would be difficult enough
 for them even without being sick.  This has created a very difficult
 situation for many people and it's only going to increase in frequency
 as the baby boomers in the tmo approach their 60s.





Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMO community?

2007-01-20 Thread Vaj


On Jan 19, 2007, at 11:05 PM, Sal Sunshine wrote:



On Jan 19, 2007, at 9:59 PM, m2smart4u2000 wrote:

Why doesn't anyone ever name names on this site. Who is dying and

who shot themselves?


M2, you're on campus, right?  Heard anything about any suicides?  I
haven't, and there hasn't been anything in the papers either.   Would
definitely be front-page news in a town this size.


That's because they're just *unstressing* -- it's just the nervous  
system purifying! In a Vedic city, these things are normal.

[FairfieldLife] Re: New TM school in KS to cost $500 million - top students know Geography

2007-01-20 Thread Karen Hyde
Lebanon KS has population of 303. Athol KS, the nearest town, has a 
population of 51.  By contrast Fairfield IA has 9,509 people.  

Topeka KS is 220 miles (4 hours) from Lebanon KS.  Topeka is smaller 
than Cedar Rapids.   And MUM students think they are in the boonies?  

At least MIU could build upon the existing Parsons Campus. So there 
were already Dormitories, Dining Hall, Classrooms, Library, 
Gymnasium, etc.  Lebanon Kansas has nothing.

There is NOTHING to do there in Kansas.  Any students (much less the 
top students) who go there will lack intellectual and cultural 
stimulation, and leave.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 On Jan 19, 2007, at 4:31 PM, bob_brigante wrote:
 
  I think the most likely outcome is that the TMO will get a few
  concessions from local authorities and the state of KS for a token
  presence here in hopes that someday a big school, which would be 
good
  for the economy of KS, actually does appear in the weeds.
 
 I hope it's somewhere near Topeka.  That way, when the delusions 
 finally give way to something approaching reality, they can just 
pop on 
 over to Menninger's.
 
 Sal





RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Death and Stuff

2007-01-20 Thread Rick Archer
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of sparaig
Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 4:05 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Death and Stuf

I don't know about Jane Hopson. 

 

I think Jane died of ALS - Lou Gehrig's disease.



[FairfieldLife] Raw milk: the udder truth

2007-01-20 Thread bob_brigante
http://www.salon.com/mwt/feature/2007/01/19/raw_milk/index.html



[FairfieldLife] Re: 'TM-Flip-outs by JM Knapp, anti-TM blogger 1.19.2007

2007-01-20 Thread wgm4u
Very disturbing story, if true, and probably is. Although it doesn't
mean that TM doesn't work, just that MMY is promoting what I think is
just Neo-Hinduism. 

Just think...we don't even know what form of meditation MMY
practiced/practices, and do we know if the Guru Dev taught TM? I know
some were initiated by Guru Dev, but what did he teach? 


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 Posted by John M. Knapp, 
First there was the recent submission on the Transcendental
Meditation Age of Enlightenment techniques. Then followed the lively
discussion pointing out that the Maharishi tried first one version
then another on unsuspecting 6-Month course participants.
 
 The guy was basically making it up as he went along. If one thing
didn't work, why then he'd try something else. Older readers here may
remember that the Maharishi referred to the Age of Enlightenment
techniques and the later sidhis as research experiments into
consciousness after all.
 
 As Joseppi justly pointed out, we were just lab rats to the
Maharishi. Worse, we were paying lab rats. We paid not only the
equivalent of $25,000 in today's money, we paid in time from our
lives. And some of us paid in psychological damage from spiritual
experiments that the Maharishi had no idea how they would turn out.
Until we lined up to sip the psychological Kool Aid.
 
 This isn't just morally wrong. It's criminal.
 
 After the Nazi horrors of World War II, during which Nazi scientists
experimented medically and psychologically on Jews and others, the
world reacted with shock. They passed the Nuremberg Code of Ethics,
parts of which were later incorporated into the Geneva Conventions.
International law made it illegal to perform any type of human
experimentation without the informed consent of participants. Informed
consent requires that test subjects be told in advance that they are
taking part in experimental procedures – and the possible side
effects. Impermissible experiments on humans explicitly included not
just medical, but psychological experimentation as well.
 
 From the victims of the Maharishi's experiments known as the Fiuggi
Flipouts, to the course participants of the 6-Month Course, to the
continuing experiments of Ayur Veda and even the million-dollar Raja
course, the Maharishi is conducting impermissible experiments on
unsuspecting human subjects. 
 
 Not informing us that he is experimenting, that there are unknown
risks and dangers to physical and mental well-being – that he is in
fact making it up as he goes along – is a crime against humanity.
   
 
 
 
  
 -
 Any questions?  Get answers on any topic at Yahoo! Answers. Try it now.





[FairfieldLife] Did MMY's Guru Dev teach TM? Anybody know.........

2007-01-20 Thread wgm4u
Just wondering if the 'tradition' starts with MMY. :-)



RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Death and Stuff

2007-01-20 Thread Rick Archer
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of sparaig
Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 4:12 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Death and Stuff


I'm sure it varies from person to person, but the only members of Purusha I
know/knew 
were people like Rick Archer, George Brown, and the like. Rick can speak for
himself, but 
George Brown's family was entirely supportive of his involvement with
Purusha, at least 
according to his sisters.




Early in my movement involvement my father said, hey, I'm not happy, so who
am I to tell you how to be happy. He meditated, went to Poland Spring and
the Amherst SCI symposium and various residence courses, but still died an
alcoholic. My mother spent 9 months in Switzerland on International Staff,
took the first phase of TTC, lived in FF, etc. So both were supportive, but
both, towards the end of their lives, began to grumble about aspects of the
TMO they found weird, unfair, etc. One of my sisters lives on campus in an
SV house, her husband is on faculty, kids in MSAE/MUM, the whole enchilada.
But she's supportive of what I'm doing now.



[FairfieldLife] Re: 'TM-Flip-outs by JM Knapp, anti-TM blogger 1.19.2007

2007-01-20 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Very disturbing story, if true, and probably is. Although it doesn't
 mean that TM doesn't work, just that MMY is promoting what I think is
 just Neo-Hinduism. 
 
 Just think...we don't even know what form of meditation MMY
 practiced/practices, and do we know if the Guru Dev taught TM? I know
 some were initiated by Guru Dev, but what did he teach? 
 


I guess some people will take anything seriously...

In fact, it is doubtful that Gurudev taught TM exactly like MMY does because 
MMY himself 
takes credit/blame for the specifics of TM, due to direct inspiration from 
Gurudev.

On the other hand, Swami Shatanda Saraswati taught Anoop Chandola to meditate 
and the 
local TM center policy was to treat him as a regular TMer as far as invitations 
to advanced 
lectures and so on was concerned. Didn't someone on FFL say that they wer 
einitiated into 
an Advanced Technique by Swami Satchananda, a brother-monk of the SBS lineage, 
but 
that Satchananda paused during the TM puja for far longer than the average TM 
teacher 
would have?

It seems to me that you can make a case that MMY took various traditional 
techniques 
taught by various traditions and transformed them into a consistent set based 
on his 
intuitiion about what is what. IOW, he didn't make everything up, but he didn't 
learn it all 
by rote from his guru, either.






[FairfieldLife] Re: Did MMY's Guru Dev teach TM? Anybody know.........

2007-01-20 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Just wondering if the 'tradition' starts with MMY. :-)


I don't believe that MMY ever claimed that Gurudev taught him TM. In fact, I 
recall him saying 
that he distilled all that he had learned from Gurudev into a single, simple 
technique that he 
called Transcendental Meditation.



[FairfieldLife] Re: 'TM-Flip-outs by JM Knapp, anti-TM blogger 1.19.2007

2007-01-20 Thread wgm4u
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u wgm4u@ wrote:
 
  Very disturbing story, if true, and probably is. Although it doesn't
  mean that TM doesn't work, just that MMY is promoting what I think is
  just Neo-Hinduism. 
  
  Just think...we don't even know what form of meditation MMY
  practiced/practices, and do we know if the Guru Dev taught TM? I know
  some were initiated by Guru Dev, but what did he teach? 
  
 
 
 I guess some people will take anything seriously...
 
 In fact, it is doubtful that Gurudev taught TM exactly like MMY does
because MMY himself 
 takes credit/blame for the specifics of TM, due to direct
inspiration from Gurudev.
 
 On the other hand, Swami Shatanda Saraswati taught Anoop Chandola to
meditate and the 
 local TM center policy was to treat him as a regular TMer as far as
invitations to advanced 
 lectures and so on was concerned. Didn't someone on FFL say that
they wer einitiated into 
 an Advanced Technique by Swami Satchananda, a brother-monk of the
SBS lineage, but 
 that Satchananda paused during the TM puja for far longer than the
average TM teacher 
 would have?
 
 It seems to me that you can make a case that MMY took various
traditional techniques 
 taught by various traditions and transformed them into a consistent
set based on his 
 intuitiion about what is what. IOW, he didn't make everything up,
but he didn't learn it all 
 by rote from his guru, either.

Sounds reasonable, it's a little disturbing to think he made it up as
he went a long, but it's very possible. Charlie Lutes once made the
comment that MMY said.I know not how this works on humans. Well,
it seems to work, at least to some (greater or lesser) degree, I can say
that I have experienced concentrated happiness (bliss) like MMY said.



[FairfieldLife] Re: Did MMY's Guru Dev teach TM? Anybody know.........

2007-01-20 Thread wgm4u
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u wgm4u@ wrote:
 
  Just wondering if the 'tradition' starts with MMY. :-)
 
 
 I don't believe that MMY ever claimed that Gurudev taught him TM. In
fact, I recall him saying 
 that he distilled all that he had learned from Gurudev into a
single, simple technique that he 
 called Transcendental Meditation.

Did you hear him say this in person?




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