[FairfieldLife] Re: Ted Dreier, Black Mountain College, and MUM

[george_deforest]

here's a link discussing the Black Mountain film,
includes an old photo of Joseph Albers

http://www.citizen-times.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=200770414008 

and, another interesting related link:

Black Mountain College - Fully Awake
http://www.bmcfullyawake.org/bmchomepage.html


 off_world_beings wrote:

 I teach a class based on the central work in the world of graphic 
 design in the 20th centurythat of Joseph Albers, who 
 participated in the phenomenal Bauhaus in Germany and its MASSIVE 
 influence still felt today...and who joined Black Mountain College, 
 co-founded by Ted Drier, and I get a small kick out of telling the 
 students that I lived 2 doors down from one of the co-founders. 
 
 You may have no idea of the incredible significance and influence of 
 the Bauhaus and Albers until you have studied it in depth. It truly 
 is a topic in which the wholeness is more than the sum of the parts, 
 and hard to express in a post. I could write a book on the details 
 of the significance of this whole transition from Nazi Germany to 
 their closing of the Bauhaus and the resultant emmigration to US of 
 many members, and the huge influence they had on American culture, 
 and in turn, the huge influence back to European culture. A vast and 
 profound topic, and this guy Ted Drier was right there with the top 
 movers and shakers. Wish I had known more then, and talked to him 
 more before he died.
 
 OffWorld
 
 
 
 Rick Archer wrote:

 Amidweeks of local celebrations and commemorations of Black 
 Mountain College, coinciding with the release of a documentary film 
 on the College, the following letter regarding Ted Dreier, MUM, and 
 BMC was published in the May 2 print issue of the Mountain Xpress. 
 Global Country of World Peace owns 700 acres of land bordering the 
 property where Black Mountain College was foundedon the very same 
 mountain.
 
  Black Mountain College comes full circle
  
  Many years after the doors of Black Mountain College closed 
 forever, the schools cofounder Theodore Dreier became founding 
 trustee of another cutting-edge educational institution. Dr. Dreier 
 pursued his dream of a holistic approach to higher education by 
 joining with the founder of the Transcendental Meditation program, 
 Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, to create Maharishi International University.
  
  As with BMC, there was little national publicity surrounding this 
 new university when it began in 1973 in Santa Barbara, Calif.; 
 however, MIUrenamed Maharishi University of Management, now an 
 accredited, liberal-arts university in Fairfield, Iowasoon became 
 recognized as one of the most progressive universities in the world. 
 Once again, Dr. Dreier was at the center of experimental education. 
 He believed that the aspiration of Black Mountain College to develop 
 the whole student found fulfillment in the consciousness-based 
 approach of MUM, where students and faculty practice the 
 Transcendental Meditation program and learn, not only through class 
 work and book study, but also by fathoming the unlimited creativity 
 and intelligence of their consciousness. During his years at MUM, 
 Dr. Dreier could be found participating in group TM practice and 
 yogic flying in MUMs golden domesimilar to Buckminster Fullers 
 prototype of the geodesic dome built at Black Mountain.
  
  Today, the Dreier Building on MUM campus is the first college 
 building in the world designed in the architectural style of 
 sthapatya veda, which harmonizes the influences of sun, moon and 
 stars using mathematically derived proportions, orientation and 
 dimensions. Due in part to Dr. Dreiers influence, MUM is a current-
 day incarnation of Black Mountain College, offering workshops on 
 green building and organic farming; hosting events such as avant-
 gardefilmmaker David Lynchs upcoming conference on Consciousness, 
 Creativity and the Brain; and showcasing the work of physicist Dr. 
 John Hagelin, whose unified-field theory of consciousness is 
 transforming our understanding of the unified field and its 
 connection to human consciousness.
  
  Dr. Dreiers vision lives on as schools across the nation introduce 
 consciousness-based education in their curriculum. To bring the 
 dream of Black Mountain College full circle, the land adjacent to 
 the very mountain where Theodore Dreier and John Andrew Rice founded 
 the college is now set to become the new home for one of Maharishis 
 consciousness-based education programs. If the gentle, humble and 
 brilliant Dr. Dreier were around today, he would be proud that the 
 spirit of Black Mountain College thrives in Western North Carolina.
  
  Tom Ball 
  Marshall
  
  Global Country of World Peace
  
  offering The Transcendental Meditation Program
  297 Country Cove Lane
  Marshall, NC 28753
  
  828-649-9781 www.tm.org

[FairfieldLife] Re: Troubled past

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 I want to comment on this and don't really know how to, except 
 to endorse your willingness to explore life with deep and 
 wholehearted committment. I love that you were so totally 
 into the movement; you and me and so many people who post here. 

If that is you not knowing how to express yourself,
I wait with 'bated breath for more posts in which
you are more sure. :-) Well said. That is one of my
main reasons for being here, too. I really *enjoy*
being in the company of people who have made a 
strong commitment to a spiritual path, *wherever*
it might have taken them. I am equally comfortable
with those who have spent decades with the TMO and
who have moved on as I am with those who have spent
decades with it and now have mainly positive feelings
about their experiences, but approach the movement
from a distance, and I am equally comfortable with 
those who still are committed to the TMO and manage
to pull that off without very much of the elitism 
that one tends to see in those I deem TBs.

What I am *not* as comfortable with is those who have
*never* made any strong commitment to the TMO or to
any other spiritual path, and who consistently try
to put down those who have walked away from one or 
more spiritual paths as if doing so were some kind of
failure on their part. When the word phony comes up
here, as it tends to do more often than it should,
*those* are the people who leap to my mind.

 Although my children, now adults, are so much better than me 
 in so many ways, one thing they don't have in their lives is 
 the experience so many of us had when we were young and 
 young adults within the TM movement -- the unparalleled 
 experience of being part of such a cause and such a 
 movement, either as it actually was at the time or as 
 we thought it to be.

Well said again. I have very little contact these
days in real life with people who have had this
opportunity. That is one reason I find it so inter-
esting to hang with such people on the Internet.
There is something about those who have made a 
strong, decades-long commitment not only to their
own spiritual path, but to *promoting* and *teaching*
that spiritual path that removes the rough edges 
of the ego to some extent, and that cultivates a
sense of compassion and of caring for one's fellow
man. I often find that missing from those who have
never had the experience of putting someone else's
welfare ahead of their own (other than, say, their
own children and families). 

I worked pretty much full-time for spiritual movements
for 28 years of my life, devoting either part or all
of my time and income to furthering their goals, and
trying to help a few people along the Way. So, like
Curtis, do I sometimes get tired when people who have
*never* done this suggest that I'm a slimeball because
I no longer choose to do this accuse me of being a 
failure or of having missed the whole point of the
teaching? You betcha. In my not so humble opinion,
such people missed the whole point of the teaching
THEMSELVES. THEY are the ones who never really 
did much for anyone but themselves, at least in terms
of spreading and teaching meditation and other forms
of spirituality.

Curtis has paid his dues, and has *earned* some fuckin'
RESPECT for having done that, man. So have all the other
wonderful people here who put their money where their
mouths were, spiritually, and made a strong commitment
to helping others. Those who have never done that but
who set themselves up as the arbiters of Things Spiritual
or of what constitutes a proper relationship with one's
spiritual teacher or spiritual organization can go suck
eggs as far as I'm concerned. When they start ragging 
on those who *have* made such a commitment as if they
are better than they are, I consider them spiritual 
pissants, legends in their own tiny minds who do *not*
have the right to insinuate themselves into the thoughts
that go through *my* mind on a regular basis.

One of the things I've been doing lately is a kind of
mindfulness, a Buddhist exercise in maintaining focus.
Whenever one of these spiritual pissants -- on this 
forum or on others -- tries to push his or her way into
my mind and make me focus on them, I try to do the 
exact opposite. I hit the NEXT key the moment they get
nasty and read no further in that post. I try to never
again think of that person that day. And I have a kind
of rule that I've made for myself that says that I 
will not reply to anyone who has gone out of their way
to trash me here for at least a week after they have 
done so. 

Fortunately, given the way that things seem to work 
here, that means that there are at least a couple of
people here who I *never* will have to reply to again,
because they seem to be UNABLE to go a full week without
making some comment here trashing me. :-) It cuts down
on my posting needs at FFL tremendously.

 The posts here that express compassion and 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Overposting

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 On May 3, 2007, at 2:37 PM, Kenny H wrote:
 
   Since we all already know who has no self control
   and who would thus (blessedly) take themselves out
   of the action within the first 24 to 36 hours of
   the week, this one now has my vote, too.
 
 
  There was no need for you to make any reference to anyone 
  else-that is definitely you in the role of provocateur. 
  You could have said, simply: I vote for 35 posts per week.
 
 At least he didn't say, some people...

You are both correct and I apologize. Part of it 
is having not posted here for a couple of days
and logging on to find people still trashing me
*anyway*. Part of it is, in one case, having had
to endure this shit for TWELVE FUCKING YEARS.

I think I've said almost anything that can be
said about the disdain I have for such people,
and for how essentially worthless I find them. 
From now on, I'll try more to walk my talk 
and just ignore anything they have to say, even 
when it's about me. Especially when it's about 
me. And mark my words...no matter how long I 
do this, a lot of the nasty things they say will 
*continue* to be about me. As Sal pointed out a 
few days ago, it's an obsession on their parts.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ted Dreier, Black Mountain College, and MUM

[dhamiltony2k5]

Yeah, BMC, Highly democratic and faculty-owned, the school 
considered the creative arts and practical responsibilities as 
equally important components to intellectual development. Fully 
Awake: Black Mountain College explores the college's radical 
approach to education.

Alot like, MUM? or, MIU was?

-Doug


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 
 
 Black Mountain College comes full circle
  
 Many years after the doors of Black Mountain College closed 
forever, the schools cofounder Theodore Dreier became founding 
trustee of another cutting-edge educational institution. Dr. Dreier 
pursued his dream of a holistic approach to higher education by 
joining with the founder of the Transcendental Meditation program, 
Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, to create Maharishi International University.
 

[FairfieldLife] Designing Utopia

[TurquoiseB]

I've been working on a fiction idea lately that has 
left me thinking a lot about utopias. And I thought
today that this might be an interesting thread for
Fairfield Life.

Any number of authors have tried their hand at 
designing a fictional utopia, from Sir Thomas More's
island to Aldous Huxley's. I would be interested in 
hearing about some of the characteristics that the 
seekers here on FFL (who, after all, have had some 
hands on experience in pursuing utopias) would 
design into a real-life utopia of their own.

Assuming anyone is interested in sharing cool ideas 
for an aspect of life -- be it social, religious, 
health-related, education-related...whatever -- you'd 
want to see in your personal utopia, I'd love to keep 
the thread as positive as possible. In other words, 
rather than discussing the things we *wouldn't* want 
to see in our inner perfect world, we could discuss 
a few of the things we *would* like to see in such a 
perfect world. They could be your own ideas or inter-
esting ideas you read about in some work of fiction 
or in scripture or from any other source, be it 
spiritual or mundane.

The first one I can think of is a very small thing, 
but remembering it recently has made me smile ever 
since, so I'll share it. On Huxley's Island, (if I 
remember correctly...it's been over 35 years since I 
read it) they had trained the wild parrots to say 
Karuna or Here and now, boys! I really like that. 
As you walk through the jungle, every so often a bird-
voice comes out of the trees to remind you to pay 
attention to here and now, or to the importance 
of kindness.

My own utopian ideas are at this point still in flux, 
so I have little to share, except that I'd like to 
see a system of government that has taking care of 
its people -- *all* of its people, in terms of food, 
shelter, health care and education -- as its first 
and highest priority. I'll work on how I'm going to 
accomplish that in real life and get back to you 
later...  :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: This guy Girish is creepy

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 With only one post left today I knew how I would use it.  I had a
 point by point defense for Judy's post.  I was being clever (in my 
own
 mind), proving how wrong she was and how right I am!
 
 Then the two positive posts from Geezer and Vaj broke my dark trance
 and I was reminded why I post here.  Thanks for the hand helping me
 out of the black hole of my own creation.  I don't have to respond 
to
 people who wish me ill and always have.  I need to spend my 5 on
 people like you guys.  Much appreciated!



What I find interesting is that you have these two people -- Curtis 
and Judy -- each of whom have been doing TM regularly for the past 35 
years and yet one has a totally negative personality and the other 
has a totally positive personality.  Isn't it fascinating how TM can 
be done by people of all sorts of political bents, world views, and 
attitudes and yet the light of consciousness shines through in one 
and hardly manifests in the other.  Yet both meditate!

I guess consciousness works in strange and wonderful ways and...uh, 
what's that you say?  WHAT?  You're saying Curtis does NOT practise 
TM? What?  You say he hasn't done TM regularly in more than 15 
years?  Really?

Gosh.

Well, in the immortal words of Emily Litella: never mind.





 
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:
 
  
  On May 2, 2007, at 6:24 PM, geezerfreak wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
   curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
   
Girish got no game? The rise of trust-fund gurus.
   
Shemp's points about Girish got me thinking...is he the Paris 
Hilton
of gurus? How would people relate to him if he tries to take 
over  
   the
whole show after MMY?
   
Pros for Girish include his dynastic relationship with MMY. 
It is
like the Shia thing. He is part of Mohammad's family so he 
has a
clear channel to the source. Indians would probably be 
impressed  
   with
his family relationship and his obvious wealth. I think he is 
better
positioned for the East.
   
On the Sunni side we have the idea that the movement should 
elect a
person who the most people can rally around. But this is  
   problematic.
(Best word in this whole post. Sounds like a 50's invention) 
In the
West we love gurus with a story and Girish has none. One of 
MMY's
charms was his story. I loved to think of him sitting in the  
   Himalayas
for two years with few thoughts like Jeff Spicoli from Fast 
Times,
so wasted on his Self that he could hardly move. I thought 
of  
   him as
an innocent monk in the library in South India, going to the 
temple
every day oblivious to his future mission. (Of course this 
blows  
   apart
any idea that Guru Dev actually gave him any instructions 
before he
died. MMY's story of the innocent start of the movement is 
in
direct contrast to the myth of his mission.) I saw him as 
the
charming little imp in Hermit in the House, running up the 
Olsens
phone bill to start up his business, but turning off the 
lights  
   as if
he caught the hint that he was overstaying his welcome. Even 
the
Beatles story worked for a while till his ambitions became 
too great
and he started looking more like he was using them instead of
enlightening them. (As an aside I always felt that it was his
insistence about using the Beatles for his marketing that was 
the
breaking point, not his pawing the disciples. The Beatles 
were  
   sick of
people trying to cash in on their fame) After all these 
charming
stories MMY hit his power stride. Probably him starting 
the World
Government was the end of his most cute puppy-like era. Once 
his
true ambitions kicked in as a world leader ranting to other 
actual
world leaders, he lost a lot of charm IMO. He began to 
resemble The
Donald. For people who longed for the good old days there 
is Ravi
Shankar who has plenty of the old MMY charisma and charm. 
MMY  
   without
the world domination ambitions. (yet?)
   
Girish has none of this. No story, no game. He has a Paris 
Hilton
vibe. Even though Paris is fabulously famous she has little 
ability
to influence people to do anything, which a guru needs to 
control an
organization. She gets paid to wave at crowds at new club 
openings
but the kids aren't ready to take any instructions from her.
Girish's claim to fame is that he was born with the gold 
ghee  
   lamp in
his hand. So how can he excite any fantasy in his followers? 
He is
just another dude like us but with a famous relative, he is 
a  
   Spelling
kid, or another rich rocker's-model wife genetic freak. I 
never  
   met a
guy who inherited great wealth who didn't have 
the entitlement
disease. (or is it all just jealousy projection?) George 
Bush seems
full of his 

[FairfieldLife] Re: This guy Girish is creepy

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote:
 
  In all fairness to Girish, does anybody know him? He
  may look creepy, but he could be a great guy. Who
  knows?
  
 I gotta say he doesn't even look creepy to me. Just looks like some 
 dude looking at the camera. If someone had posted his picture sans 
the 
 picture of Maharishi in it, claiming to be a picture of a poster here 
 on FFL, no one would've thought twice about it. Its just projection.


I agree that a photo just of Girish by himself is innoculous.

But a photo of Girish with a photo of Maharishi behind him beside a 
photo of Girish of equal size and stature PLUS two wide-eyed Western 
cult members rounding out the pretty picture is most definitely creepy 
and Ghoulish.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Bee myths

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 Plus the honey bees are not even native to N. America, so no big 
 deal.


Neither were the Algonquin, the Sioux, the Apache, the Cree or the 
members of all of the other thousand or so North and South American 
Aboriginal communities.

They all came here originally via the Bering Strait.

The only thing truly native to North America is a lump of coal that's 
buried 150 yards underground about 35 miles north-east of Louisville, 
Kentucky.

 
 OffWorld
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings 
 no_reply@ wrote:
 
  I heard a bee-keeper on the radio today who thinks it might be a 
  type of mite, which weakens the bees immune system. They have 
been 
  dealing with them for years, but he thought that maybe the 
 beekepers 
  had not treated the bees for the mite as much as they are 
supposed 
  to. He said it will become clearer in about 6 months, if it is 
the 
  mite or not. He thought the cell-phone idea was nonsense.
  
  OffWorld
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ 
  wrote:
  
   A small German scientific study looking at a specific type of 
  cordless 
   phones and homing systems of bees exploded over the Internet 
and 
  late 
   night television shows. It morphed into erroneous reports 
 blaming 
  cell 
   phones for the honeybee die-off, which scientists are calling 
  Colony 
   Collapse Disorder. 
   
   The scientist who wrote the paper, Stefan Kimmel, e-mailed The 
   Associated Press to say that there is no link between our tiny 
  little 
   study and the CCD-phenomenon ... anything else said or written 
 is 
  a 
   lie. And U.S. Department of Agriculture top bee researcher 
Jeff 
  Pettis 
   laughs at the idea, because whenever he goes out to investigate 
  dead 
   bees, he cannot get a signal on his cell phone because the 
hives 
  are in 
   such remote areas. 
   
   http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8OSE3VO2show_article=1
  
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Infinite_monkey_theorem and the 5 post limit

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, matrixmonitor 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- Excellent point! (given enough time, a monkey typing on a 
keyboard 
 can come up with Shakespeare).  But as pointed out in the Wiki 
article, 
 MOST of the stuff will be gibberish.


Quite true.

A monkey left to himself with a video camera is bound to come up An 
Inconvenient Truth at some point.




 
 
 In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote:
 
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinite_monkey_theorem
  
  The problem with the five post limit is that it defeats the vast
  possibilities for brilliant cognitions inherent in the infinite 
monkey
  theorem.
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Thursday's Overposting

[Buggy]

Morning all,

I am disabled (blind) so am not sure how I can rack how many posts I respond 
too so I do not break your rules here anyone go many ideas how I can track 
these?

Lee (Bug)
  - Original Message - 
  From: Rick Archer 
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 8:07 PM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Thursday's Overposting



  Richard Williams (who's Yahoo ID is WillyTex but who resents being called 
WillyTex) posted 8 times today and is now on moderated status. He can do two 
tomorrow. Shemp has 9 posts waiting in the queue. Starting tomorrow (Friday) 
night at midnight we'll go on the 35-posts-per-week system. With the new 
system, those on moderated status will be taken off it at first, but put back 
on if they violate it. People will be responsible for keeping track of how many 
times they've posted. I'll try to notify them if they've gone over, and will 
moderate them if they persist in posting. We won't save excess posts in the 
queue. Too much administrative work.



  I'm really not a control freak, and sounding like one is distasteful. Just 
trying to make things clear and as simple as possible.


   


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[FairfieldLife] The Swiss: Guns, Guns, and More Guns!

[shempmcgurk]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/1566715.stm

Re: [FairfieldLife] Thursday's Overposting

[WLeed3]

put a marble in a jar 4 each response U will need but 5, or a spoon or some  
object if U R tactually ok  a string on each finger



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[FairfieldLife] Re: Designing Utopia

[new . morning]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

except that I'd like to 
 see a system of government that has taking care of 
 its people -- *all* of its people, in terms of food, 
 shelter, health care and education -- as its first 
 and highest priority. I'll work on how I'm going to 
 accomplish that in real life and get back to you 
 later...  :-)

A shareware jointly written utopian novel, perhaps with different
branches as visions diverge, could be interesting.

I sense a divergence already in our visions  -- that the presumed the
protagonists of the novel, hopefully a growing, if not the total set
of all memebers of humanity, celestial realms and the animal kingdom,
being abundaantly creative, clear, bright, compassionate, empathetic,
resourceful, self-sufficient, firing on or towards all cylinders of
full-potential, sliding and falling raipidly towards and past
realization, actualized in all major eight or more aspects of
intelligence, living the sparkling life of full-pressed and balanced
neurotransmitors and receptors in great waves of brain cohernece
synch, dis-ease free, understanding and in harmony with the laws of  
  nature, harnessing deep and pwoerful levels of harmonious
technology, living in balance with the earth, seas and atmosphere, 
resolving conflicts non-violently (on  chat formus :)) and with the
sparkling air from regular massive collective spirital
(non)-efforts, engaged in loving and caring relations with all levels
of relations and family, bounding out of bed at morning to get to work
to make even greater contributions and to find new answers,  a strong
tradition and deep resources for life-long learning / all knowledge at
your fingertips, understanding, vison, service and philanthropy valued
and lived at a nuch higher scale than owning stuff and a hog-trough
daily feeding of the senses, compassion instead of judgement
dominating relations, a ethos towards perfecting the art inherent in
all tasks and actions -- and much less on its acquisitional fruit,  --
it is surprising if such a connected sea of humanity would need a
paternalistic, and by implication a controlling and standard/rule
setting  government to take care of them, instead of, so to speak,
enabling everyone to create spectacularly creative fishing poles and
great schools of fishing, rather than a goverment run counter to
distribute your daily ration of fish. 

 

[FairfieldLife] Re: This guy Girish is creepy

[new . morning]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues 
 curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
 
  With only one post left today I knew how I would use it.  I had a
  point by point defense for Judy's post.  I was being clever (in my 
 own
  mind), proving how wrong she was and how right I am!
  
  Then the two positive posts from Geezer and Vaj broke my dark trance
  and I was reminded why I post here.  Thanks for the hand helping me
  out of the black hole of my own creation.  I don't have to respond 
 to
  people who wish me ill and always have.  I need to spend my 5 on
  people like you guys.  Much appreciated!
 
 
 
 What I find interesting is that you have these two people -- Curtis 
 and Judy -- each of whom have been doing TM regularly for the past 35 
 years and yet one has a totally negative personality and the other 
 has a totally positive personality.  Isn't it fascinating how TM can 
 be done by people of all sorts of political bents, world views, and 
 attitudes and yet the light of consciousness shines through in one 
 and hardly manifests in the other.  Yet both meditate!
 
 I guess consciousness works in strange and wonderful ways and...uh, 
 what's that you say?  WHAT?  You're saying Curtis does NOT practise 
 TM? What?  You say he hasn't done TM regularly in more than 15 
 years?  Really?
 
 Gosh.
 
 Well, in the immortal words of Emily Litella: never mind.


Its even more facsinating that an observer who has been meditating a
similar amount of time could see all things in such black and white
absolutist terms.  A view that Judy is all negative and Curtis is all
positive is quite a belly-laugh. 

While my vision is probably as distorted as any, I find them both
generally quite positive and constructuve, both are certainly very
bright and good writers -- yet with each having some interesting
quirks and anomolies that they are working out and resolving in their
own time and own creative and insightful ways. 

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: This guy Girish is creepy

[Sal Sunshine]

On May 4, 2007, at 8:27 AM, new.morning wrote:


What I find interesting is that you have these two people -- Curtis
and Judy -- each of whom have been doing TM regularly for the past 35
years and yet one has a totally negative personality and the other
has a totally positive personality.  Isn't it fascinating how TM can
be done by people of all sorts of political bents, world views, and
attitudes and yet the light of consciousness shines through in one
and hardly manifests in the other.  Yet both meditate!

I guess consciousness works in strange and wonderful ways and...uh,
what's that you say?  WHAT?  You're saying Curtis does NOT practise
TM? What?  You say he hasn't done TM regularly in more than 15
years?  Really?

Gosh.

Well, in the immortal words of Emily Litella: never mind.



Its even more facsinating that an observer who has been meditating a
similar amount of time could see all things in such black and white
absolutist terms.  A view that Judy is all negative and Curtis is all
positive is quite a belly-laugh.


Actually he didn't say which he thought was the positive and which the 
negative one  (I'm assuming this was deliberate).  Your view of which 
had to be which is pretty telling.


Sal

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Overposting

[Sal Sunshine]

On May 4, 2007, at 4:48 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:


On May 3, 2007, at 2:37 PM, Kenny H wrote:


Since we all already know who has no self control
and who would thus (blessedly) take themselves out
of the action within the first 24 to 36 hours of
the week, this one now has my vote, too.



There was no need for you to make any reference to anyone
else-that is definitely you in the role of provocateur.
You could have said, simply: I vote for 35 posts per week.


At least he didn't say, some people...


You are both correct and I apologize. Part of it
is having not posted here for a couple of days
and logging on to find people still trashing me
*anyway*. Part of it is, in one case, having had
to endure this shit for TWELVE FUCKING YEARS.


I was just kidding. But it is quite amazing to me how quickly, upon 
your absence, another person was found to fulfill the role of Public 
Enemy #1.  It's like, if even a day goes by without an argument, it's a 
wasted day...or something.  If even the innocuous comments Curtis made 
can be the source of so much disparagement and goading,  we're all 
pretty much fair game.  My guess is, upon Curtis' absence (think he's 
gone for a few days) it will either revert back to you, or go over to 
another perennial favorite, Rick.


Sal

[FairfieldLife] Re: Thursday's Overposting

[Alex Stanley]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buggy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Morning all,
 
 I am disabled (blind) so am not sure how I can rack how many
 posts I respond too so I do not break your rules here anyone 
 go many ideas how I can track these?

If you're capable of reading the posts here and replying to them, as
you just did, blindness should have no effect on your ability to count
how many times per day you post to the group. But, assuming you have
the sense of touch, you could keep track by making a tear in the edge
of a scrap of paper every time you post. By feeling and counting the
number of tears in the paper, you'd know how many posts you made.

 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Overposting

[jim_flanegin]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@
 wrote:
 
  On May 3, 2007, at 2:37 PM, Kenny H wrote:
  
Since we all already know who has no self control
and who would thus (blessedly) take themselves out
of the action within the first 24 to 36 hours of
the week, this one now has my vote, too.
  
  
   There was no need for you to make any reference to anyone 
   else-that is definitely you in the role of provocateur. 
   You could have said, simply: I vote for 35 posts per week.
  
  At least he didn't say, some people...
 
 You are both correct and I apologize. Part of it 
 is having not posted here for a couple of days
 and logging on to find people still trashing me
 *anyway*. Part of it is, in one case, having had
 to endure this shit for TWELVE FUCKING YEARS.
 
 I think I've said almost anything that can be
 said about the disdain I have for such people,
 and for how essentially worthless I find them. 
 From now on, I'll try more to walk my talk 
 and just ignore anything they have to say, even 
 when it's about me. Especially when it's about 
 me. And mark my words...no matter how long I 
 do this, a lot of the nasty things they say will 
 *continue* to be about me. As Sal pointed out a 
 few days ago, it's an obsession on their parts.

You like Curtis and Sal are blind to the fact that when I react to 
your postings negatively, it is not to trash you or him or Sal as 
people, it is that you have insulted some things I hold dear, a 
spiritual path that you are choosing to see in a negative light, to 
go out of your way to have what I call a Maharishi bashing slappy 
happy fest. Then I will respond to that. So it is not a blanket 
criticism of any of you as people. As many have said here before, I 
am sure that we could all meet over lunch or dinner and have a great 
time. 

But here on FFL, there is an energy put out by you and others 
sometimes regarding Maharishi and Guru Dev that is not a reasoned 
exposition of their paths, and neutral criticism of it. No, it often 
has a nasty sort of tinge to it. Its clearly beyond saying been 
there done that got the t-shirt and moved on. And that criticism 
then extends when challenged to the challengers, calling them True 
Believers and other sorts of labeling. Its frustrating, and 
impossible to have any sort of discussion with the deck so stacked 
against those like myself who may just see Maharishi as the rishi I 
believe he his. So the well has been poisoned by those criticizing 
and mocking Maharishi, and not the other way around.

Having said all of that, I then began responding energetically to 
such negative posters, taking their negative energy and throwing it 
right back in their faces. Boomeranging. Just tuning into the energy 
like a radio station, and back atcha, mate. It hasn't made for a 
pleasant environment, though I thought it was an appropriate thing 
to do for awhile, just to expose the other side of the coin for 
myself, if no one else. See what the criticizers acted like when 
they were on the receiving end. And I got into it.

I have tried to target my criticism to exactly that which I am 
critical of. Even so, I can see that it spawns more negative energy 
than I have intended. So I am more watchful about it now. It has 
been a learning process for me. And I don't mean in a vacuum. I have 
learned from some of your responses and Vaj's too. Sometimes when I 
am not just dancing with the energy here on FFL, I will reflect 
about your POV and his, and it has been helpful. Genuinely. Even 
when it gets down, dirty and personal, I have learned from it. My 
continuing and growing perception of our unity vs. our differences 
is tempering my impulse to just react to the negaitve energy here 
and create more of it in the process. We'll see where all of this 
goes next.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Troubled past

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
[moved from the end of the post]
 Thanks again to Curtis and Marek for exemplifying what
 makes FFL a great forum, and pointing out via their
 examples what *detracts* from that great forum in the
 behavior of a few (and these days, *very* few) other
 people.
 
 The New FFL. Long may it wave...

Not so new as you'd like to portray it, Barry,
if by new you mean an absence of trashing. You
yourself are one of the few whose behavior is
*still*, as of today, in this and subsequent posts,
detracting from FFL's potential to be a great forum.

[returning to the beginning]
 What I am *not* as comfortable with is those who have
 *never* made any strong commitment to the TMO or to
 any other spiritual path, and who consistently try
 to put down those who have walked away from one or 
 more spiritual paths as if doing so were some kind of
 failure on their part. When the word phony comes up
 here, as it tends to do more often than it should,
 *those* are the people who leap to my mind.

Unfortunately, this extended attack on me (among
others, but primarily me, as usual) is based on
several misconceptions.

I was not putting Curtis down either for having
committed himself to the movement or for having
left it. My criticisms have to do with how he
views and communicates about that process.

snip
 There is something about those who have made a 
 strong, decades-long commitment not only to their
 own spiritual path, but to *promoting* and *teaching*
 that spiritual path that removes the rough edges 
 of the ego to some extent, and that cultivates a
 sense of compassion and of caring for one's fellow
 man. I often find that missing from those who have
 never had the experience of putting someone else's
 welfare ahead of their own (other than, say, their
 own children and families).

Probably not such a hot idea to dismiss putting
the welfare of children and family ahead of one's
own as somehow less demanding than a teaching or
other commitment to the larger society, when the
former is an experience one has not had.
 
 So, like
 Curtis, do I sometimes get tired when people who have
 *never* done this suggest that I'm a slimeball because
 I no longer choose to do this accuse me of being a 
 failure or of having missed the whole point of the
 teaching? You betcha.

Barry puts in quotes, as if to attribute these words
to me, things I've never said about him or anybody
else in this context (I don't recall ever calling
anyone a failure for any reason). Nor have I ever
suggested he was a slimeball for having given up
on teaching.

However, both Barry and Curtis have on numerous
occasions demonstrated rather serious
misunderstandings of what MMY teaches. To what
extent these misunderstandings had anything to do
with their signing on to or signing off from their
commitment to the movement is a different question
entirely.

snip
 When they start ragging 
 on those who *have* made such a commitment as if they
 are better than they are, I consider them spiritual 
 pissants, legends in their own tiny minds who do *not*
 have the right to insinuate themselves into the thoughts
 that go through *my* mind on a regular basis.

Have you ever considered the possibility that
your impression that those who rag on you think
they're better than you are comes from your own
mind, and not theirs?

snip
 And I have a kind
 of rule that I've made for myself that says that I 
 will not reply to anyone who has gone out of their way
 to trash me here for at least a week after they have 
 done so. 
 
 Fortunately, given the way that things seem to work 
 here, that means that there are at least a couple of
 people here who I *never* will have to reply to again,
 because they seem to be UNABLE to go a full week without
 making some comment here trashing me. :-) It cuts down
 on my posting needs at FFL tremendously.

If you were able to abstain from trashing these
people for an extended period, you might well find
they would refrain from trashing you. There may be
a bit of lag time, considering the extent to which
you've trashed them in the past, including the very
recent past. You've just got done, here and in
subsequent posts, trashing them *again*, so it'll
be awhile before you can legitimately put this to
the test.

snip
 The time it takes to deal with
 the spiritual pissants of the world is no longer worth 
 it to me, so they're not going to get any more of that
 time in the form of replies from me.

See, it's not just replies, Barry. One of your
specialties is trashing people in your replies to
others, as here. You have to stop *both* types of
trashing before you can expect not to be trashed
in return.

One last point. You started out in this post with
what looked like it was going to be a very positive
commentary, but it turns out that the only reason for
the positives was to contrast them with and expand
on negatives. You might want to ponder that for a bit.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Troubled past

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I will address this to judyjim who seem to have formed a symbiotic
 entity of malice toward me personally.

Nobody has malice (desire to cause pain,
injury, or distress to another) toward you
personally, Curtis.

Nor have Jim and I formed a symbiosis. That's
just a cheap, ad hominem way of dismissing the
uncomfortable fact that two different people
independently have seen the same things in your
posts.

snip
 Judyjim have presented a criticism of my total commitment
 and sincere efforts when I was a part of organization a
 few times here, as if following MMY's strictest programs,
 sidhaland and MIU was a personal failure of mine.

What I was pointing out by quoting what you
told the D.C. City Paper was (a) that you went
*way* overboard, embellishing your program with
all kinds of things that had nothing to do with
what MMY teaches; and (b) that the tone in which
you described all this very clearly indicated
that you yourself found it troubling that you
had gone to these extreme lengths to get a buzz.

 They also point to my willingness to share my new
 perspective with those who were interested as if 
 this too reveals a defect in my character.

Wrong.  The defect in your character is your
attempt to deny that your previous perspective
was a troubled one.

I certainly don't believe, and I'll bet Jim
doesn't either, that having had a troubled past
is equivalent to having a defect in character.

There is, perhaps, a defect in character involved
when the new perspective views the troubled
past exclusively in terms of victimization
and consists of excessively, exaggeratedly
negative portrayals of the purported victimizers.

 The attempt to paint my life as troubled because I was sincerely
 focused on MMY's teachings for 15 years, and since 1989  have
 expressed another point of view on his teaching, is lame.

What's lame is this characterization of what
Jim and I have been saying.

  Rather then
 discussing ideas, it is the last resort to attempt to attack
 the person rather than an argument.  It is the lowest form of
 discourse. It takes neither imagination or intellectual
 insight.

Then why are you doing it in this post?

Curtis, you almost invariably use ad hominem
whenever you're challenged on something.  You're
no purer than anybody else in that regard.  Your
absurd attack on nablusos for hiding behind a
fake name, which was entirely gratuitous, having
nothing to do with nablusos's humorous dig at you,
is a case in point.

And when I gently reminded you of the fact that
you use a fake name here as well, you responded
with a whole bunch of ad hominem against me.

 To Judy:  You have brought up the idea that when I fight back
 when personally attacked here, it is a flaw in my nice guy 
 image.  This is a contrivance of your own invention.

That isn't what I said, Curtis. It's not *that*
you fight back, it's the *way* you fight back.
And the above is, again, a case in point: one of
the ways you fight back is to distort what you're
fighting back against.

Moreover, nablusos's comment was about as benign
an attack as it gets. To compare you to Comical
Ali was a funny dig, hardly anything you needed to
fight back against.

Yet you came back with guns blazing. You made a
good point, that nablusos's analogy of you with
Comical Ali was backward, but instead of leaving
it at that, you proceeded to accuse him of
deceit for using a handle. Not only was that
gratuitous and ridiculous on its face, but it was
hypocritical in two ways: you *yourself* use a
handle here; and you have FFL pals who use
handles, yet you've never accused them of hiding
behind a fake name. Somehow a handle is only a
Bad Thing when it's used by someone who has
challenged you.

And if what you really want to discuss is ideas,
why all the ad hominem against MMY and TMers and
the TMO and even Guru Dev? What was your recent
distinctions of specialness post but one long
compendium of ad hominems?

 I am not a nice guy to people who attack me.

When I pointed out that you use a handle here,
I wasn't attacking you. Yet you responded with
an attack on me, and an ad hominem one to boot.

Dig yourself, Curtis. Either stop pretending to
be above it all, or *be* above it all. And if
you choose to do neither, accept that you're
likely to be criticized for the hypocrisy.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Designing Utopia

[Vaj]

On May 4, 2007, at 7:47 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:


Assuming anyone is interested in sharing cool ideas
for an aspect of life -- be it social, religious,
health-related, education-related...whatever -- you'd
want to see in your personal utopia, I'd love to keep
the thread as positive as possible.



It would be interesting to see the integration of mind-body machines  
to be used as training wheels for the development of samadhi and  
kleshavarana (removal of obscurations) at a very early age, say  
before the anterior fontanelle closes. As the child develops speech  
and communication skills they would receive individualized meditation  
instruction so they can continue to develop higher states of  
awareness and advanced moral development sans any training wheels.  
Specialized meditative techniques would be mastered to tame and  
pacify destructive emotions as development progressed up to and  
through adolescence.


All techniques and methods would be completely non-sectarian although  
individuals would of course have the option to integrate these  
methods with whatever beliefs they held or chose to hold.


Destructive meditative techniques would be banned or not receive  
certification as they are antithetical to society.


This training would be considered a natural part of education.

Interestingly, I just returned from pilgrimage to a Utopian society  
outside of Ephrata, PA, the so-called Ephrata Cloister, the home of  
the alchemico-theurgic Rosicrucian pietist commune of Conrad Beissel.  
One of the things that has always impressed me with Ephrata, is how  
this early commune,  then the Conestoga wilderness (now the  
Pennsylvania Dutch country), was self-sufficient. Their own farms,  
largely vegetarian foods, several mills for food, flax and clothing  
manufacture, etc. etc. It attracted a creme de la creme of European  
intellectuals. Of course they were largely celibate and eventually  
died out.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Designing Utopia

[Vaj]

Technologies like this one could be used to train children to enter  
states of consciousness which pacify and tame the mind (training  
wheels):




http://snipurl.com/1jbyl

[FairfieldLife] Posting limits (Rick, Sal)

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Judy posted 10 times today

My bad, inadvertent. Went over by 2
without realizing it during the day
Wednesday, planned to compensate by
making only 3 posts on Thursday, then
blew it that night by forgetting Thursday
begins at 1:00 am Eastern rather than
midnight, posting-limit-wise.

snip
 Even though everyone but New Morning is
 opposed to it, I'm seriously thinking of
 trying the 35 posts-per-week system.

I'm in favor of this, actually.

snip
 I overpost myself some days, and other days
 don't post at all. So this way I wouldn't
 violate a rule I'm supposed to enforce.

You shouldn't be counting this kind of post
in your own total, IMHO.

 If we try this, we'll start it Friday night
 at midnight, so weekend warriors will have
 free reign. My email client (Outlook) shows
 me the total of posts, if I sort by posters'
 names, so it won't be hard for me to keep
 track of.

Don't know if this is any easier, but you
can also keep track by using the Yahoo
search feature on the Web.

==

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
snip
 I think it's a great idea.  My guess is, Judy and her latest 
 sidekick, Jim, will keep trying to start arguments with
 whomoever's convenient

Says Sal, trying to start an argument.

 in the hopes that you will be forced
 to agree that the limits don't work (doesn't abolish the
 fighting,) and therefore give up.

Unsurprisingly, Sal has completely failed to
notice that it has not been Judy or Jim (who
is hardly my sidekick) who has been *starting*
the arguments, just as it has not been in the
past.

Posting limits, in fact, *do not* abolish
fighting. The only thing that will abolish
fighting is to prohibit gratuitous attacks
(such as yours in this post).

[FairfieldLife] Posting limits (Rick, Sal)

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Judy posted 10 times today

My bad, inadvertent. Went over by 2
without realizing it during the day
Wednesday, planned to compensate by
making only 3 posts on Thursday, then
blew it that night by forgetting Thursday
begins at 1:00 am Eastern rather than
midnight, posting-limit-wise.

snip
 Even though everyone but New Morning is
 opposed to it, I'm seriously thinking of
 trying the 35 posts-per-week system.

I'm in favor of this, actually.

snip
 I overpost myself some days, and other days
 don't post at all. So this way I wouldn't
 violate a rule I'm supposed to enforce.

You shouldn't be counting this kind of post
in your own total, IMHO.

 If we try this, we'll start it Friday night
 at midnight, so weekend warriors will have
 free reign. My email client (Outlook) shows
 me the total of posts, if I sort by posters'
 names, so it won't be hard for me to keep
 track of.

Don't know if this is any easier, but you
can also keep track by using the Yahoo
search feature on the Web.

==

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
snip
 I think it's a great idea.  My guess is, Judy and her latest 
 sidekick, Jim, will keep trying to start arguments with
 whomoever's convenient

Says Sal, trying to start an argument.

 in the hopes that you will be forced
 to agree that the limits don't work (doesn't abolish the
 fighting,) and therefore give up.

Unsurprisingly, Sal has completely failed to
notice that it has not been Judy or Jim (who
is hardly my sidekick) who has been *starting*
the arguments, just as it has not been in the
past.

Posting limits, in fact, *do not* abolish
fighting. The only thing that will abolish
fighting is to prohibit gratuitous attacks
(such as yours in this post).

[FairfieldLife] Re: Troubled past

[Duveyoung]

Turq,

Nice post, Mr. T.  

I'm going to pretend that I'm writing to you, but this is me looking
into my mirror.  

I found myself resonant with your protect my mind concept -- and I
think that expanding it a bit might be educational.  How about we
agree for it to mean: a resolve to not identify with negativity of any
sort?  (And later, maybe we can really slough off that hefty
positivity addiction too.)
  
To dump negativity is a big step onto a teflon floor covered with
banana skins -- higher spiritual integrity -- gunna require some
practice to stay upright.  And did I mention that that's a SLANTED floor?

I find little footing on the slippery slopes that the world's symbols
commonly present to me.  Show me the starving millions of Africa, and,
though God isn't supposed to cry, I'm in a puddle of tears;  challenge
me with a thoughtless act by another driver on the road, and I'm in a
puddle of piss-offedness.  Dry, dry, damned puddles!  

I share these potent triggers with most readers here, but oh, I have
so many ways to project -- if my printer ink cartridge runs dry, I'm
yet again roiled that it's once again obvious that those damned
globalistic, printer manufactures are addicting us to ink.  Something
like that.  

Oh don't test me, I can yell for hours about a paper cut.  I can get
hands balled into fists so tight you'd think I was someone with, you
know, an actual problem out there, not an addiction to the chemical
hit, the high of whole-cloth spun negativity in here.

I salute you for the intent, but man, I gotta tell ya, my out there
really riles my in here, and though I may be positioning myself as a
victim here, we all know that that there out there is the victim of
our this here in here. Projection is Maya's master power. My
personality is what the world MUST BE to me, and every gripe I have is
merely me noting something else amiss in my clockworks.

I'd love to shout, Don't let the bastards get to ya, T, but that'd
be like saying, Hit one out of the park, and we all know that even
Babe Ruth on today's steroids couldn't obey that command every time at
bat.  Iz gunna fail, uz gunna fail, awe God's chil'ren gots ta fail. 
So gives yer goodsef that wiggle room.  Pissants are allowed to be
pummeled -- gently, sweetly, truishly -- until one can slide off of
such projecting without hardly noticing it, like falling asleep.

They say that these negativity triggers are far better teachers than
the successes we enjoy.  Why?  Maybe cuz, chowing down on a haunch of
righteous anger is harder to give up than eating tidbits off of a
sparse plate of novel cuisine success.  I can retire from a successful
career -- walk away satisfied -- give up identifying with a role in
life even if I've been Mother Teresa, but on my death bed I'll be
pissed once again about this bully in ninth grade who cold-cocked me
in the face for my first taste of whoopass souffle.  Can't give up
being poor me.  Whatever part of me that is holding onto that memory
needs a great big hug, eh?

The folks here who scour you are in actuality, I think you'll agree,
the love of the universe sand-papering the varnish of ego off your
soul.  They absolutely cannot post anything that can touch you, but
boy do they gots jackhammers for cracking the toughest ego shells.  I
applaud your intent to not be baited, but now for sure, you're going
to be tested in a much more refined way, right?  The inside
opponents are much tougher, eh?  As you eschew judging the
outsiders, you'll find that it is your own mind's patterns of
insistence that will be your sparing partners.  Their demands that
out there must be made to be like in here that will be far more
clearly the scoundrel in your face, not the world's rascals and their
doings.

John 12:8
For the poor always ye have with you; but me ye have not always. 

There will always be someone who cannot spiritually grasp you, someone
who cannot resonate, someone whose fist enters this space reserved
for Turq's nose, someone who needs your love so badly that they pull
your robe's hem for a Christ whack of infinity.  

No end to the supply of the pissants, but your soul is only here now.
 Attend, attend.

Those that come to you poor can only go away rich if you let them take
your ego's identifications with them.  They yell at you only for
what's inside them.  Don't resist.  Let them think they see it
dripping off you. They will take that identification from you like
thieves if you let them.  If they call you a self serving braggart,
(just taking an example out of my life,) I would suggest that you use
a World War Two spotlight to find anything that validates their
notions -- and, voila, the light alone will evaporate the offending
personality pattern.  This is straight Freudian therapy, doncha know.

Yep, simple as that.  Just admit that whatever's being pinned on ya is
valid.  Let them go away happy at your capitulation.  Tell them you've
found the offending part of your personality that, however slightly,
was, 

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Break out your old records

[Rick Archer]

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of at_man_and_brahman
Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 11:36 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Break out your old records

 

This isn't new. It's been around for a 
number of years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_turntable

An audiophile friend says: 

Sure, I've seen it and listened to it in controlled presentations. It's
fascinating but there are many quirks. The record must be SPOTLESSLY CLEAN
for the system to work. That means not a spec of dust since the laser reads
dust with the same intensity it reads the groove. You really need one of the
wet cleaners, like VPI or Nitty Gritty to use it.

Also, IMO there's something still not quite right about the sound of the
thing. It lacks a real sense of openness to my ears. But it also is the only
attempt by one company and there is also something very direct about the
sound that is promising.

[FairfieldLife] AMMA to be featured on ABC TV News 20/20 Primetime Friday May 11

[Rick Archer]

I'll post a reminder on that day.

[FairfieldLife] More on AMMA, to be featured on ABC TV News 20/20 Primetime Friday May 11

[Rick Archer]

ABC News is doing a special hour segment on Faith, which will 
include a profile on Amma. Check your local listing for the ABC News 
20/20 timeslot, but it's usually between 9pm and 11pm and should be 
airing on Friday May 11.

The segment on Amma was mostly filmed in Chennai during the North 
Indian Tour earlier this year. Rob Sidon  (Amma's US press guy) has been
told by the 
producers that this will be a rather lengthy piece, at least 10 
mintues, and that it is very positive. 20/20 is one of the top 2 or 3 
nationally broadcast news magazine TV shows in the US. 

[FairfieldLife] Misc: quantum packet, Sal, Shemp, Peter

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, quantum packet [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 If God intended reasonable men and women
 to worship Him without embarrassment, why did
 He create Christopher Hitchens? It was a
 fatal miscalculation. In God Is Not
 Great, Hitchens not only demonstrates
 that religion is man-made--and made badly--he
 laughs the whole monstrosity to rubble. This
 is a profoundly clever book, addressing the
 most pressing social issue of our time, by
 one of the finest writers in the
 land.
 
 Sam Harris, author of the New York Times best
 sellers, The End of Faith and
 Letter to a Christian Nation

There's an interesting review of Hitchens's book
here--

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mark-oppenheimer/hitchens-glaring-
error_b_47480.html

http://tinyurl.com/3baaag

--by Mark Oppenheimer, a strong admirer of Hitchens.
He is himself a religionist, but he believes that
religion needs to be held up to frequent ridicule,
even parody. It needs to be exposed to the light of
reason, where it will sometimes wither, even die.

However, he says of Hitchens's book, It is an
intellectually shoddy and factually inaccurate
rush-job, written with blithe ignorance of what his
antagonists actually believe.

He takes exception to a particularly egregious
factual error Hitchens makes about Orthodox
Judaism, one of many anti-Semitic slurs that have
been around for a long time without any basis
whatsoever in fact, something Hitchens could
easily have checked out and found to be false.

More generally, he writes:

Hitchens doesn't get religion, and he doesn't get
religious people. His book is useful as a primer
against fundamentalism and zealotry, but most
religious people are neither fundamentalists nor
zealots. The comparison I always make is to
capitalism: unbridled, libertarian capitalism is
quite dangerous, but a more moderated form of the
market has been a great boon to humanity, and an
inability to make the distinction is a sign of
intellectual feebleness

Hitchens seems to have done none of the reading on
religion that might have broadened his thinking--no
Wittgenstein, no Rudolf Otto, none of the
phenomenologists who help explain why thoughtful,
even intellectual people may be religious.
I expected better from Hitchens, and I expect better
from the rest of us.

If this critique is accurate, Sam Harris's rave
blurb does not reflect well on him, to say the
least.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
snip
 Curtis,
 They (Judy/Jim) are simply using you since Barry has been
 AWOL for a few days--if they can't find someone to argue 
 with/slander, their lives have that much less meaning.

Sal, I (and Jim too I suspect) criticize people when
they say something that warrants criticism, not because
I feel the need to argue.

snip
 Ignore them.  Simply don't respond, ever, to their baiting.
 I know it isn't easy, slander is never easy to ignore, but
 it does get easier the more you do it.

What an amazing bit of hypocrisy, considering the
many times you've attacked me out of the blue 
(typically on the basis of some wild misconstruction
of something I've said).

Or do you mean to suggest that I should ignore your
slander of me?

Get real, Sal. The horse you're on here is way
too high.

==

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
snip
 Like you, Judy, we all know what his real name is, first and
 last. If you want to pick on someone who hides behind a fake
 internet moniker, pick on me.

You're a little confused, Shemp. Curtis is
the guy picking on people who use handles, 
accusing them (or rather, nastily accusing
one TMer who had taken a humorous shot at
him) of hiding behind a fake name. I've
been *defending* the use of handles.

==

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 Hey, you guys leave Curtis alone. We hungout together
 at MIU and he's quite otay in my book. If you
 personally knew Curtis there's no way in the world you
 guys would attack him or attempt to demean him.

Even after he's gratuitously attacked and
demeaned us.

I see.

Why am I not surprised?

 He's one of the good guys. He really is. 

How odd that you assume your good guy standards
are some kind of ultimate, and even odder that you
figure your encomium should be enough to convince
everyone else that there is no basis for ever
criticizing Curtis.

Think again, toots.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Designing Utopia

[Robert Gimbel]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Technologies like this one could be used to train children to 
enter  
 states of consciousness which pacify and tame the mind (training  
 wheels):
 
 
 
 http://snipurl.com/1jbyl


I think, it would be impossible to create a perfect world, because 
perfect does not exist;
Only change, exists.
The whole notion of perfect is imperfect.
Perfection is the basis of the whole illusion.
Our mission is to go for excellence, not perfection.
To find the character or character, that add something to the world, 
balance, peace, harmony, evolution.
Small groups of people at first, living together, maybe 4 generations 
of people. This will be an eventual necessity, to share resourses, 
and a sense of family. So, more communal type settings.

[FairfieldLife] Barry: Utopia and hypocrisy

[authfriend]

Don't know if there's any way for this to fit
into a Utopian parable, but I was reading the
other day about a species of bird, I think it
was--or it may have been fish--that have been
found to inbreed almost exclusively. This is
highly unusual, since inbreeding tends to bring
out recessive genes for traits that are not
favorable to species survival.

Scientists believe this species, for whatever
reason, has very few such genes, so that
inbreeding has not weakened it.

I thought it would be interesting to envision
a fully sentient species, with a highly
developed civilization, that also has very few
negative genes, whose family structure is based
on inbreeding among siblings. What would be the
social consequences, both within and between
families, of an absence of the incest taboo?
Would it promote greater harmony throughout the
society, or make it necessary for families to
insulate themselves from others to avoid deadly
conflict?

Avoidance of inbreeding is such a basic fact of
human society it's a real stretch to imagine 
what a civilization might be like in which incest
were the norm. Certainly many sources of conflict
would be nonexistent if people bred only with
their siblings, but would there be other types of
conflict that would be at least as bad?

Or are the sources of conflict that would be
eliminated the underlying reason that Utopia
seems always to be out of reach for human
civilization?

I haven't taken the idea any further than to ask
the question, but I think it may have intriguing
possibilities.

=

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
 You are both correct and I apologize. Part of it 
 is having not posted here for a couple of days
 and logging on to find people still trashing me
 *anyway*. Part of it is, in one case, having had
 to endure this shit for TWELVE FUCKING YEARS.

Absolutely the most stunningly hypocritical
statement we've ever seen from Barry, and
that's saying something.

For TWELVE FUCKING YEARS Barry has been the
provocateur extraordinaire. He can't possibly
be unaware of this; and the record couldn't
possibly be clearer, both here and on alt.m.t.
It is others who have had to endure *his* shit.

Yet here he is, actually *pretending to be the
victim*.

It's just breathtaking.

 I think I've said almost anything that can be
 said about the disdain I have for such people,
 and for how essentially worthless I find them. 
 From now on, I'll try more to walk my talk 
 and just ignore anything they have to say, even 
 when it's about me. Especially when it's about 
 me.

And of course he's made this same vow over and over
and over and OVER again, both here and on alt.m.t,
and has never been able to keep it for more than a
week or so at a time. Then he goes back to trashing,
and has the unmitigated gall to complain about
people fighting back?

And he's outraged at being called a phony??

 And mark my words...no matter how long I 
 do this, a lot of the nasty things they say will 
 *continue* to be about me. As Sal pointed out a 
 few days ago, it's an obsession on their parts.

It *is* a matter of how long you can do it, Barry.
As I said in the other post, you have to figure
in some lag time considering how often and for
how long you've been the one to say nasty things
about others.

You're going to have to *stick with it* for an
extended period, refrain from trashing others
directly to their faces *and* indirectly, before
you're going to see results. You have to actually
mean what you say, and then *do* it.

I'm not holding my breath.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Posting limits (Rick, Sal)

[Jonathan Chadwick]

See, spontaneous right action: it is supposed to be seven.  Read the Handbook.

authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  --- In 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Media Moguls got it Wrong

[Jason Spock]

 
  Sorry for the late response.  Nothing at all.  People have gotten wise to 
the games these bloody politicians play.
   
  Shall I send you the GunFight Ballad by Marty Robbins as an attachment.?? 
 Or should I upload the file to FFL.??

ShempMcGurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Media Moguls got it Wrong

   
  Forget this media mogul crap.

Jason, what's happening in India with all that Richard Gere stuff?

   
   

   
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[FairfieldLife] 'Stunning' Nepal Buddha art find

[Vaj]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6624117.stm'Stunning' Nepal Buddha art findThe discovery has been likened to finding a treaure trovePaintings of Buddha dating back at least to the 12th century have been discovered in a cave in a remote area of Nepal's north-central region.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ever wonder where the prudery in the TMO came from?

[Jason Spock]

 
   
  Sorry for the delayed response.  I agree with you.  MMY's version 
certainly has more depth.
   
  True religion should reflect Nature.  Hinduism is the only religion that 
reflects Nature to it's fullest possible extent.
   
  The concept of Ethics is Universal.  It does not change with time.  
Unfortunately the Indian Gov't does NOT give any importance or seriousness to 
the teaching of Ethics in Indian schools.  Also no importance is given to 
Hygiene and sanitation.  Both subjects should be taught in all schools all over 
the World.
   
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Jonathan Chadwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 16:11:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ever wonder where the prudery in the TMO came 
from?

   
  I've taught one version or another of a three-credit, college-level ethics 
course nineteen times during the past two decades, and at this point I am 
convinced I do not know what either 'ethics' or Ethics really is.  One 
interesting comprehensive philosophical- ethical view that is making a 
comeback these days (mostly in Catholic circles, but not exclusively so) is 
natural law theory.  Believe it or not, M.'s version is both deeper and 
better (or at least less intellectualistic) than all of that.  In any event, we 
certainly do not teach ethics in K-12 here.
   
   

 
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[FairfieldLife] life

[Buggy]

Hi I hope each of you will take the time to read my story and respond as this 
is going on in our world and I joined this group hoping to meet and get 
positive input as well as educate some to how the laws are screwing over your 
people like yourselves and others in this country.

In December 2005, my son went to a Des Moines, Iowa teen club for sixteen to 
twenty year olds. He was sixteen there he met a girl who told him she was 
almost sixteen. They hooked up.

April 2006 this young lady ran away from home again she had troubles with a new 
stepfather and was being rebellious. A friend advised her to tell cops she was 
pregnant and scared to go home. Well they took her home and upon further 
questioning she admitted she lied about being pregnant to piss her mom off.

Two weeks later my son was questioned feeling he had no reason to lie he told 
the truth as taught. After admitting to sex twice when they met at the club the 
officer told him well son she lied to you she is only thirteen. We were 
outraged and shocked one would of never guessed but the officer told us the 
parents did not want to press charges so we could go home just steer clear of 
the girl.

May 3, 2006 my son at age seventeen now was walking home from a friends house 
and arrested on a felony warrant on two counts of sex abuse against a child. He 
was charged as an Adult. He spent the night in jail til we saw a judge the 
following morning who immediately O.R. my son to me with a stern warning to be 
at all court appearances.

We met with son's public defender who told us when we said we wanted a jury 
trial we could not win a trial by jury simply because Iowa law says a  thirteen 
year old cannot legally consent to sex even tho consensual the law says she is 
not mature enough. I was aghast and asked him as well as the District Attorney 
who sat near by if this same child went into her school with a loaded gun and 
killed a few peers would the law still say she did not know what she was 
doing? Of course no answer!

We tried to move this back to juvenile court, time dragged out for weeks and 
juvenile probation officer recommended to keep my son's case in adult court 
feeling no time to rehabilitate the individual. Again rehabilitate from what? 
The fact he was lied too? Fact is it was consensual? Fact he is a kid facing 
twenty years ?

On October 20, 2006 my son was offered a plea being told if he refused he get 
prison time. He was told it be a deferred judgment/adjudication and no 
registration as a sex offender since under law a deferred adjudication is not 
a conviction. Five minutes before court we learned Iowa had a new law even on 
a deferred one must register as a offender.

He was angry and mad and yes a seventeen year old boy faced the judge crying 
and sobbing unsure what the heck was happening n life and why this was 
happening when the girl lied to him and the club let her in so how was he to 
know how old she truly was. Not like kids ask each other for proof of age upon 
meeting.

The judge thankfully realized my son was a emotional wreck and talked to him 
making sure he used words a boy of seventeen could understand not the big legal 
terms the D.A. was tossing at him in court.

He was put on deferred adjudication for two years probation supervised on one 
count of Lude or Lascivious Acts with a Child. Second sex abuse third degree be 
dropped once he completed treatment. He must register by Iowa law for ten 
years. Just told him if he did his probation the charges be dismissed no plea 
would ever be entered into record under this plea and he expunge his records in 
two years. So ask one self how can they make a boy register ten years for a non 
conviction?

Well we moved to Oklahoma where we came from when we arrive din Iowa less then 
a year before. Now my son is a lifetime registered offender under OK law cause 
they can change the charge to meet OK criteria. So he is considered aggravated 
and registers every ninety days.

My son has to abide for the rest of his life residency laws (no living near 
schools, parks, daycares, churches, playgrounds), he was kicked out of school 
and cannot get his GED cause they are all at school campuses here. (Thankfully 
Gus Blackwell a Rep here said it was illegal and a couple weeks ago got him 
back in a GED tutor program where the school pays for the tutor at the police 
dept til my son is ready for the test). He has bee told if he has a daughter he 
will have to go to reunification court to live with his child, if he marry's he 
has to get permission by a judge, he can never attend any of his children's 
school events as long as he is a RSO etc.

So I joined groups to share my son's story ad to meet intelligent folks like 
yourself who can use their minds to help me fight these laws. Make Iowa and 
other states stop this from happening to young teen boys who had consensual sex 
with a girl. The Adam Walsh Act signed by Bush last year has a section 111 in 
it for these type 

[FairfieldLife] A Tale of Two Cows

[Jason Spock]

 
 A Midwesterner's political Primer

DEMOCRATIC

You have two cows.
Your neighbor has none.
You feel guilty for being successful.
Barbra Streisand sings for you.

REPUBLICAN

You have two cows.
Your neighbor has none.
So?

SOCIALIST

You have two cows.
The government takes one and gives it to your neighbor.
You form a cooperative to tell him how to manage his cow.

COMMUNIST

You have two cows.
The government seizes both and provides you with milk.
You wait in line for hours to get it.
It is expensive and sour.

CAPITALISM, AMERICAN STYLE

You have two cows.
You sell one, buy a bull, and build a herd of cows.

BUREAUCRACY, AMERICAN STYLE

You have two cows.
Under the new farm program the government pays you to shoot one, milk the 
other, and then pours the milk down the drain.

AMERICAN CORPORATION

You have two cows.
You sell one, lease it back to yourself and do an IPO on the 2nd one.
You force the two cows to produce the milk of four cows. You are surprised when 
one cow drops dead. You spin an announcement to the analysts stating you have 
downsized and are reducing expenses.
Your stock goes up.

FRENCH CORPORATION

You have two cows.
You go on strike because you want three cows.
You go to lunch and drink wine.
Life is good.

JAPANESE CORPORATION

You have two cows.
You redesign them so they are one-tenth the size of an ordinary cow and produce 
twenty times the milk.
They learn to travel on unbelievably crowded trains.
Most are at the top of their class at cow school.

GERMAN CORPORATION

You have two cows.
You engineer them so they are all blond, drink lots of beer, give excellent 
quality milk, and run a hundred miles an hour.
Unfortunately they also demand 13 weeks of vacation per year.

ITALIAN CORPORATION

You have two cows but you don't know where they are.
While ambling around, you see a beautiful woman.
You break for lunch.
Life is good.

RUSSIAN CORPORATION

You have two cows.
You have some vodka.
You count them and learn you have five cows.
You have some more vodka.
You count them again and learn you have 42 cows.
The Mafia shows up and takes over however many cows you really have.

TALIBAN CORPORATION

You have all the cows in Afghanistan, which are two.
You don't milk them because you cannot touch any creature's private parts.
You get a $40 million grant from the US government to find alternatives to milk 
production but use the money to buy weapons.

IRAQI CORPORATION

You have two cows.
They go into hiding.
They send audio tapes of their mooing.

POLISH CORPORATION

You have two bulls.
Employees are regularly maimed and killed attempting to milk them.

BELGIAN CORPORATION

You have one cow.
The cow is schizophrenic.
Sometimes the cow thinks he's French, other times he's Flemish.
The Flemish cow won't share with the French cow.
The French cow wants control of the Flemish cow's milk.
The cow asks permission to be cut in half.
The cow dies happy.

FLORIDA CORPORATION

You have a black cow and a brown cow.
Everyone votes for the best looking one.
Some of the people who actually like the brown one best accidentally vote for 
the black one.
Some people vote for both.
Some people vote for neither.
Some people can't figure out how to vote at all.
Finally, a bunch of guys from out-of-state tell you which one you think is the 
best-looking cow.

CALIFORNIA CORPORATION

You have millions of cows.
They make real California cheese.
Only five speak English.
Most are illegal.
Arnold likes the ones with the big udders.
   

 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Thursday's Overposting

[Buggy]

Blindness has NO effect on my ability to count. However the program I am on 
using Web Mail does not tell me who the email is from it simply opens it and 
reads the post you or another respond too. I am a very active member of several 
groups and receive at least a thousand emails a day on several subjects and 
topics. You nor anyone can truly understand my reference to the blind program 
and how it works so I will go no mail til I can get help to set up a folder 
which this group mail will download into then it will be easier for me to keep 
tabs on the required number of emails.

Thank you for the warm welcome
  - Original Message - 
  From: Alex Stanley 
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 6:42 AM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Thursday's Overposting


  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buggy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   Morning all,
   
   I am disabled (blind) so am not sure how I can rack how many
   posts I respond too so I do not break your rules here anyone 
   go many ideas how I can track these?

  If you're capable of reading the posts here and replying to them, as
  you just did, blindness should have no effect on your ability to count
  how many times per day you post to the group. But, assuming you have
  the sense of touch, you could keep track by making a tear in the edge
  of a scrap of paper every time you post. By feeling and counting the
  number of tears in the paper, you'd know how many posts you made.



   


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[FairfieldLife] Re: This guy Girish is creepy

[jim_flanegin]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ 
wrote:
  
   In all fairness to Girish, does anybody know him? He
   may look creepy, but he could be a great guy. Who
   knows?
   
  I gotta say he doesn't even look creepy to me. Just looks like 
some 
  dude looking at the camera. If someone had posted his picture 
sans 
 the 
  picture of Maharishi in it, claiming to be a picture of a poster 
here 
  on FFL, no one would've thought twice about it. Its just 
projection.
 
 
 I agree that a photo just of Girish by himself is innoculous.
 
 But a photo of Girish with a photo of Maharishi behind him beside 
a 
 photo of Girish of equal size and stature PLUS two wide-eyed 
Western 
 cult members rounding out the pretty picture is most definitely 
creepy 
 and Ghoulish.

If I was in the room with them and could assess the situation and 
talk with Girish, maybe I'd agree. I just don't know what it felt 
like to be there. Pictures can be so decieving. Maybe I'd talk to 
Girish and he'd say, 'oh that (referring to the two pictures), yeah, 
someone put those up. I don't really notice them', and we'd move on, 
or maybe he'd say, 'yes, I am the new Maharishi', and then tell me 
to empty his wastebasket, and I'd think 'what an asshole...'. So 
really hard to say what is going on there from just a picture. I 
sometimes get energy from pictures, but in this case, nada. 

[FairfieldLife] The 4 Varna System, Duty and not birth

[Jason Spock]

 
  The 4 Varnas or class's existed in all Ancient cultures.  It's a natural 
system based on Duty and not birth.
   
  The 4 Varna caste system is a product of the First-wave agricultural 
civilisation which had only a rudimentary economy.  The system gave the world, 
social stability for centuries.
   
  The coming of the Semitic religions, ie Christianity and Islam disrupted 
the natural pattern of these ancient First-wave socities.
   
  The system became rigid and dogmatic over the course or centuries as 
Vested intrests began to tweak or rig the system for their selfish purposes.
   
  The 4 Varna system became tenuous and blurred once the industrial 
revolution began and education began to spread across the industrial 
civilisation.
   
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Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 14:25:38 -
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ever wonder where the prudery in the TMO came from?

   
  Turq,

Thanks for allowing us to disagree. It'd be silly for me to invest in
wanting that you think what I think, cuz, hey, how could I possibly
know what you really think such that I could have a certainty about
that? Where's my diagnostic tools for that kind of work?

Heck, inside my mind, only me being involved, if I had the same
thought twice in a row, how could I even prove those two thoughts were
identical except that, yep, yet a third thought must come in and
confirm that that is the case, and now we've got this outsider
thought who arrives after the fact claiming to know about the
previous two thoughts, indeed, even to the extent of being an expert.

Sigh.. Mantra, mantra, mantra, mantra -- all identical, right? 
Or, if you prefer, let's say that they're all slightly different, right? 

WELL WHAT MAKES ME SO DAMNED SURE? 

That's the area in which I love to play. What functionality of my
mind can produce that certainty despite my ego being completely out of
that decision loop, because the decision that identical thoughts
occurred is done by the extraordinarily subtle intellect churning out
core memes for which the cortex then fashions a verbal gift
wrapping, and voila! a thought occurs to the ego. Something like
that -- ask Patanjali, cuz, you know, that I don't know, not really,
jack or even jack's excrement about this. Or, wait, how could you
know that I don't know when I've just made the point that tools for
such diagnosis are non-existent in the lives of most of us? Never mind!

But I digress. The subject was caste system.

Oh, it's being used for every manner of evil. Wives must burn
themselves to death. Wives are returned-to- sender or killed when
their dowries run out. Any group of men in a village can call a woman
an adulterer and kill her on the spot, and no one will report anything
to the authorities -- be as mum about what really happened as, well
the MUM course office folks can be mummish. We don't know what
happened, the sun was in our eyes.

Yeah, evil. No doubt. And, gawd, these are the folks who namaste you
every other nee-nee-na-na- no-nosecond. Go figure, no, wait, that'll
make my head hurt.

But Turq, Turq, Turq, can you really say that it's the caste system
that CAUSES THIS? I mean, you and causality are not bosom buddies as
far as I can tell -- where's traction for Maya? It's all the
Absolute's fizz, right? Just synchrony not causality, right? Am I
misinterpreting you on that issue?

And Turq, do you really think that the small potentates of the various
Soviet territories were LESS evil in their doings? Do you think that
the Popes of the past haven't lifted the robes of nuns, that Sufi
whirlers didn't swing some slave girl off into the bushes, that the
witches drowned in New England were guilty? 

I cannot stratify these evils, cannot order them into a hierarchy. 
They're all on the same level. 50,000,000 million folks died in WWII
-- Hitler's evil use of Germanic tribalism's DNA deep addiction to
racial purity. Pol Pot used communism. Stalin killed 20 million of
his own people. Red-blooded Americans killed the Native Americans for
what? -- democracy -- we voted to kill the Indians, so it's okay. 
Every killer on this list thought he was doing a good thing!!

And men kill polar bears who kill these lovable seals who kill
loveable penguins who kill loveable, delicate, ever so silent fishys
or gobble amazingly intelligent krill who slobber down miraculous
microorganisms who absorb the loveliest of carbon based molecules who
have commandeered the uses of devic quark forces that consume the
Absolute's black hole mystic effervescences.

The caste system is just another way to organize the mayhem. In
theory, it's works pretty good during Sat Yugahee hee.

Now, don't get me wrong here. The Vedic delineations of castes make
the Nazis look childish with their notions of purity -- step aside
Hitler, let a Brahmin class mind tell you about categorizing the milch
kind. I mean, would Hitler ever had come up with If you step 

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Thursday's Overposting

[Rick Archer]

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Buggy
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 1:50 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Thursday's Overposting

 

Blindness has NO effect on my ability to count. However the program I am on
using Web Mail does not tell me who the email is from it simply opens it and
reads the post you or another respond too. I am a very active member of
several groups and receive at least a thousand emails a day on several
subjects and topics. You nor anyone can truly understand my reference to the
blind program and how it works so I will go no mail til I can get help to
set up a folder which this group mail will download into then it will be
easier for me to keep tabs on the required number of emails.

 

I'm Rick, the moderator. The limit is not on how many emails you receive,
but on how many you post. We had to impose it because people were clogging
the chat with low-quality posts. Are you saying that you can't tell whether
a post is from FairfieldLife or from some other group, and therefore it
would be hard for you to tell how many posts you had made to FairfieldLife?

 

Incidentally, Buggy's situation, as a blind person, is a good reason for all
of us snipping. If he's using a program which reads emails aloud, then if we
don't snip, he has to listen to many minutes of junk to get to the new
material embedded in it. 

[FairfieldLife] Spiderman - 3 , Review

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[FairfieldLife] Re: life

[Marek Reavis]

Dear Lee,

Your son's case is very distressing and is an unfortunate narrative 
of the adage that the road to hell is paved with good intentions.  

Certainly the states' legislatures believe that sexual abuse and 
specifically child sex abuse are crimes that deserve particular 
attention because of the vulnerability of the victim group.  However, 
in their zeal to craft both punishment and protection, most laws re 
child sex abuse seem (IMO) far too draconian.  In California, where I 
practice as a public defender, legislation effective just this year 
now provides for lifetime incarceration as a sexually violent 
predator any person who has sexual relations with any victim under 
the age of 14, regardless of the age of the defendant or the 
underlying circumstances of the sexual contact.  

It sounds similar to what your son is having to endure in Oklahoma.  
Unfortunately, you raise your voice on behalf of a group that society 
is more than willing to condemn with no further examination into 
their humanity.  The charge of child sex abuse is itself so 
emotionally charged that it is difficult to get any further in 
addressing all the underlying and collateral facts and issues.

I don't know what else you can do other than try to find a 
sympathetic ear from a state legislator who will take the time to 
listen to your son's story.  Perhaps they can craft some legislation 
that will provide your son some relief from the burden and stigma 
that he carries.  But, as you know, it's an uphill battle and you are 
speaking on behalf of a very unsympathetic constituency.

Best of luck.

Marek

**

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buggy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi I hope each of you will take the time to read my story and 
respond as this is going on in our world and I joined this group 
hoping to meet and get positive input as well as educate some to how 
the laws are screwing over your people like yourselves and others in 
this country.
 
 In December 2005, my son went to a Des Moines, Iowa teen club for 
sixteen to twenty year olds. He was sixteen there he met a girl who 
told him she was almost sixteen. They hooked up.
 
 April 2006 this young lady ran away from home again she had 
troubles with a new stepfather and was being rebellious. A friend 
advised her to tell cops she was pregnant and scared to go home. Well 
they took her home and upon further questioning she admitted she lied 
about being pregnant to piss her mom off.
 
 Two weeks later my son was questioned feeling he had no reason to 
lie he told the truth as taught. After admitting to sex twice when 
they met at the club the officer told him well son she lied to you 
she is only thirteen. We were outraged and shocked one would of 
never guessed but the officer told us the parents did not want to 
press charges so we could go home just steer clear of the girl.
 
 May 3, 2006 my son at age seventeen now was walking home from a 
friends house and arrested on a felony warrant on two counts of sex 
abuse against a child. He was charged as an Adult. He spent the night 
in jail til we saw a judge the following morning who immediately O.R. 
my son to me with a stern warning to be at all court appearances.
 
 We met with son's public defender who told us when we said we 
wanted a jury trial we could not win a trial by jury simply because 
Iowa law says a  thirteen year old cannot legally consent to sex even 
tho consensual the law says she is not mature enough. I was aghast 
and asked him as well as the District Attorney who sat near by if 
this same child went into her school with a loaded gun and killed a 
few peers would the law still say she did not know what she was 
doing? Of course no answer!
 
 We tried to move this back to juvenile court, time dragged out for 
weeks and juvenile probation officer recommended to keep my son's 
case in adult court feeling no time to rehabilitate the individual. 
Again rehabilitate from what? The fact he was lied too? Fact is it 
was consensual? Fact he is a kid facing twenty years ?
 
 On October 20, 2006 my son was offered a plea being told if he 
refused he get prison time. He was told it be a deferred 
judgment/adjudication and no registration as a sex offender since 
under law a deferred adjudication is not a conviction. Five minutes 
before court we learned Iowa had a new law even on a deferred one 
must register as a offender.
 
 He was angry and mad and yes a seventeen year old boy faced the 
judge crying and sobbing unsure what the heck was happening n life 
and why this was happening when the girl lied to him and the club let 
her in so how was he to know how old she truly was. Not like kids ask 
each other for proof of age upon meeting.
 
 The judge thankfully realized my son was a emotional wreck and 
talked to him making sure he used words a boy of seventeen could 
understand not the big legal terms the D.A. was tossing at him in 
court.
 
 He was put on deferred adjudication for two years 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Thursday's Overposting

[Sal Sunshine]

On May 4, 2007, at 1:20 PM, Rick Archer wrote:

Incidentally, Buggy’s situation, as a blind person, is a good reason 
for all of us snipping. If he’s using a program which reads emails 
aloud, then if we don’t snip, he has to listen to many minutes of junk 
to get to the new material embedded in it.


Which oftentimes turns out to be junk as well, so maybe the 
non-trimmers are doing Buggy a favor, albeit inadvertently. :)


Sal

[FairfieldLife] USA TODAY: The Raj in Vedic City included in 10 top spas

[george_deforest]

 [ ]   [ ]   Friday, April 27, 2007

In Vedic City, Iowa: Detox with vegetarian meals, herbal supplements,
steam baths and customized enemas.
Photo by Mel Sauerbeck, The Raj 10 great places to detox, tune up,
calm down
It's time to rev up our metabolic engines and clean out our systems to
gear up for outdoor activity. There are health spas that offer detox
programs designed to rid our systems of four kinds of toxins: the body's
own waste products, dietary toxins like alcohol and caffeine,
psychological toxins like stress, and environmental pollutants, says
Anitra Brown, spa guide for About.com http://spas.about.com/ . She
tells Buzzy Gordon for USA TODAY about North American spas that
specialize in getting the body running lighter and cleaner for summer
fun.
The Greenhouse Spa
Arlington, Texas

The women-only Greenhouse Spa adds a body reshaping dimension to its
Fat Flush Plan. Detox is not the same thing as a weight-loss program,
Brown says, but undergoing detox usually results in some weight loss.
This ultra-pampering spa's detox program, supervised by a naturopathic
physician, features a low glycemic-index diet rich in cranberry water.
No enemas here; herbal body wraps take on detox duties, while Pilates,
aquatic fitness and yoga classes tone up muscle. 817-640-4000;
thegreenhousespa.net http://thegreenhousespa.net/

We Care Spa
Desert Hot Springs, Calif.

We Care is the home of the classic California detox: a liquid fast,
wheatgrass juice, purifying teas, fiber supplements and daily colonics,
Brown says. It's a relatively small and modest spa in a beautiful
setting. You can get detoxifying spa treatments like lymphatic massage,
plus yoga, meditation, and dance classes. 800-888-2523; wecarespa.com
http://www.wecarespa.com/

Hippocrates Health Institute
West Palm Beach, Fla.

Bring pen and paper, Brown advises. Hippocrates' Life Change Program
is an educational detox experience. A one- to three-week program
includes meditation, exercise and lots of lectures. No juice fasts, but
there's a wheatgrass bar and enzyme-rich raw food for lunch and dinner.
The Oasis Therapy Center offers colon hydrotherapy and other
non-invasive treatments aimed at detoxifying and rebalancing the body
and mind. 800-842-2125;hippocratesinst.org http://hippocratesinst.org/


New Age Health Spa
Neversink, N.Y.

At this no-frills spa in the Catskills region, Brown says, you can do
your own juice and potassium-broth fast anytime, but it's more fun four
times a year when you can do it with a group. New Age's Calming Cleanse
package offers purifying spa treatments such as colon hydrotherapy,
aromatherapy massage and mud wraps. Management is serious about detox:
Get caught smoking and it's immediate expulsion with no refund and a
$100 fine. 800-682-4348; newagehealthspa.com
http://newagehealthspa.com/

Elemental Embrace
Brighton, Ontario, Canada

The detoxification philosophy of this family-owned spa is based on
Ayurveda, the centuries-old medical tradition of India. Ayurvedic
detoxification ‹ known as panchakarma, or five processes ‹
focuses on systematically eliminating toxins from the body via the
respiratory, circulatory and digestive systems. This method, Brown
cautions, is not for the squeamish about enemas. 866-212-9355;
elementalembrace.com http://elementalembrace.com/

The Raj
Vedic City, Iowa

The Raj offers a one-week version of Ayurvedic panchakarma by starting
each guest on a diet before arrival. Guests are examined by an Ayurvedic
physician, who uses pulse diagnosis to prescribe a detox program
comprising organic cooked vegetarian meals, herbal supplements and
specialized treatments of massages and steam baths, both enhanced with
medicated oils. Customized enemas are available as well, Brown says.
800-864-8714, ext. 9000; theraj.com http://theraj.com/

Regency Health Resort and Spa
Hallandale, Fla.

This seaside vegan spa features one of the more affordable,
do-it-yourself detox programs, under the supervision of its resident
medical specialist. It offers individualized water-and-juice fasting
year-round, supported by yoga, meditation and water aerobics. But, Brown
says, no colonics. 800-454-0003; regencyhealthspa.com
http://regencyhealthspa.com/

Sanoviv Medical Institute
Rosarito, Baja California, Mexico

Sanoviv is actually a fully equipped holistic hospital, with spa,
overlooking a beautiful beach, Brown says. In addition to diagnostic
tests and complete health assessments, it offers a one- or two-week
detoxification and regeneration program overseen by a physician, a
nutritionist and a psychologist.  Patients and guests wear special
toxin-free clothing and eat only raw foods; en-suite bathrooms are
equipped for self-administered colonics. 800-726-6848; sanoviv.com
http://sanoviv.com/

Red Mountain Spa
Ivins, Utah

Once a month, this adventure destination spa offers a seven-night
Detoxification Program with spa treatments, a personal nutrition
consultation, lectures and a low-allergen diet. This is detox lite,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ever wonder where the prudery in the TMO came from?

[qntmpkt]

---Comment below: ...that Hinduism is the only religion that reflects 
Nature to it's fullest possible extent.  Actually, Buddhism is more 
consistent with the most up-to-date hypotheses concerning Cosmology - 
i.e. the origins of the universe itself; along with speculations on 
the major unanswered questions.
 Briefly, the universe appears to be holographic; and Buddhism had 
the rudiments of holography in the works of Tien Tai. Thus, Buddhist 
cosmology was about 1500 years ahead of modern hypotheses.
 In regard to the nature of the relative self; I regard Buddhism as 
being superior to Hinduism on the basis of my observations on the 
body/mind; namely, the body/mind is a bunch components rather than 
a reincarnating Soul.  Thus, from one incarnation to the next, the 
relative self is continually changing and it would not be correct to 
say that one had past lives. (the past lives were simply aggregates 
of components, some of which carry over into the present.) The part 
of the mind/brain which records the latent memories is (in itself) 
just another component.
 
 In regard to ethics, Buddhism attempts to explain this by intially, 
fusing the concept with the Laws of Karma and Dharma.  


Co In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

  

   Sorry for the delayed response.  I agree with you.  MMY's 
version certainly has more depth.

   True religion should reflect Nature.  Hinduism is the only 
religion that reflects Nature to it's fullest possible extent.

   The concept of Ethics is Universal.  It does not change with 
time.  Unfortunately the Indian Gov't does NOT give any importance or 
seriousness to the teaching of Ethics in Indian schools.  Also no 
importance is given to Hygiene and sanitation.  Both subjects should 
be taught in all schools all over the World.

  -
 
 Jonathan Chadwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 16:11:14 -0700 (PDT)
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ever wonder where the prudery in 
the TMO came from?
 

   I've taught one version or another of a three-credit, college-
level ethics course nineteen times during the past two decades, and 
at this point I am convinced I do not know what either 'ethics' or 
Ethics really is.  One interesting comprehensive philosophical- 
ethical view that is making a comeback these days (mostly in Catholic 
circles, but not exclusively so) is natural law theory.  Believe it 
or not, M.'s version is both deeper and better (or at least less 
intellectualistic) than all of that.  In any event, we certainly do 
not teach ethics in K-12 here.


 
  
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[FairfieldLife] Guru Dev quotes

[bob_brigante]

'The dawn comes to dispel the darkness of night,
allowing us to enjoy the light of the sun
(which is self-illuminating).
Spiritual teachings destroy ignorance
and therefore remove darkness,
but they cannot throw light on the inner Self,
for the Self is Light.'

*
One should know as to how to live in the world and he will be happy. 
Your body and wealth is useful in the world and your mind is
useful on the path to God. Do not apply too much mind in the world 
than necessary otherwise it would be a waste and a loss to both
material and spiritual aspects of life. Just like putting more than 
necessary gum to paste the envelope. The gum will be wasted and the 
envelope will be spoiled.
Either live and leave yourself at the entire mercy of God or act 
according to the dictates of the Shastras. The kitten will not move 
from its place unless the mother cat removes it, even though the male 
cat may kill it. In this case the mother cat takes care and hides it 
from the male cat. The young one of a monkey on comprehending danger 
at once runs to the mother and she takes it to the place of safety! 
If it runs to some other side than the mother then it would be a risk 
of its life. Similarly if people act according to their mind and not 
according to the Shastras then they will be mislead and again fall in 
the circle of birth and rebirth.
[quoted in Shankaracharya ashram publicity material, 1952]
*
Wha is the difference between Jiva and Brahman?

The difference is the same as the difference between rice and paddy. 
Remove the skin of the paddy and it is rice. Similarly, remove the 
covering of Maya, and the Jiva will become Brahman.
[Bharatiya Darshana-Parishhad (All-India Philosophical Association), 
Calcutta , December 1950]
*
*
On Supply
God's devotee can never stay dejected. While staying in the forests, 
we were always under the all-powerful nature of Paramatman. There in 
the dense forests, where no facilities for living are easily 
available, all the needs of the devotee were met by Paramatman.
How can a prince experience any need in his own Kingdom? The devotee 
of the all-powerful Lord, wherever in any of the three worlds he 
might be, he is the prince and so he will live in bliss. How can the 
all-powerful Lord tolerate the suffering of his devotee? Through 
one's faith, devotion and trust in Paramatman alone and none else, it 
is certain to get the Lord's attention. From then onwards Paramatman 
himself will look after the well being of the devotee. There will be 
no need to pray for one's welfare.
When the son gets sick, does he request the father have him treated 
and then the father acts? Is it so? The father will not be able to 
see his son suffer. Even without asking he will do his best to get 
his son cured. Thus, whosoever becomes Paramatman's, whosoever wrests 
Paramatman's love for himself, Paramatman, without even a request, 
will do what is needed. It is an experienced fact that Paramatman's 
devotee can never be unhappy.
On Devotion and Proper use of the Mind
Having become a devotee of God one can never remain unhappy. This is 
our experience. The Jiva (ego) is going on doing its work from 
several births. Its tendency to work exists from time immemorial. 
Therefore, if the work is started with just a little co-operation 
from the mind, it will continue to go on. Just like the train car, 
way in the back of the line, if it is just pushed and jerked a little 
by the engine.
It is necessary to bifurcate the work into primary and secondary. 
Thinking of Paramatman should be considered as primary and giving a 
little attention to worldly activity is secondary. Apply your body 
mainly and your mind secondarily to your worldly activity. When your 
mind is mainly engaged in God you shall receive his grace. God is all-
powerful. Even a little of His grace is capable of bestowing on the 
Jiva all that is good in its entirety. The declaration of the Lord 
that is proved by the scriptures is this; Whosoever thinks of Me with 
one-pointed devotion, I shall conduct his necessary work also. The 
experience of the bhaktas also goes to prove this declaration of the 
Lord.
Accumulate worldly wealth, but in such a way that is not against 
transcendental wealth. That which hinders transcendental wealth 
results in accumulation in sin and is not wealth but a burden and a 
debt.
As is the cloth, so is the price. For carrying on the short-lived 
work of your worldly activity, employ your short-lived body and 
worldly wealth. Mind is permanent and remains with you always. Even 
after you leave this world, it remains with you. Therefore, connect 
your mind with a permanent thing. God, being the eternal existence in 
animate and inanimate things, is the only permanent thing of the 
highest order. Therefore connect your mind with Him.
If the mind could be satisfied with wealth, wife or children, why 
does it go elsewhere? Because it cannot stick with anything in the 
world. From this it is clear that it cannot be 

[FairfieldLife] Re: This guy Girish is creepy

[Richard J. Williams]

Peter wrote:
 Richard, i don't know where to even start to respond
 to you
 
Just be honest and tell me what happened to all the money.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: This guy Girish is creepy

[Peter]

--- Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Peter wrote:
  Richard, i don't know where to even start to
 respond
  to you
  
 Just be honest and tell me what happened to all the
 money.

All the money? When I taught TM I sent all of it to
National and half was returned to me. The cost of
learning TM was $125.00 for a working adult when I
taught.  


 
 
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Thursday's Overposting

[Buggy]

Hi my son has it now in a folder so I can monitor how many times I reply. I 
will keep to your groups requirements.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Rick Archer 
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 11:20 AM
  Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Thursday's Overposting



  From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
Buggy
  Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 1:50 PM
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Thursday's Overposting



  Blindness has NO effect on my ability to count. However the program I am on 
using Web Mail does not tell me who the email is from it simply opens it and 
reads the post you or another respond too. I am a very active member of several 
groups and receive at least a thousand emails a day on several subjects and 
topics. You nor anyone can truly understand my reference to the blind program 
and how it works so I will go no mail til I can get help to set up a folder 
which this group mail will download into then it will be easier for me to keep 
tabs on the required number of emails.



  I'm Rick, the moderator. The limit is not on how many emails you receive, but 
on how many you post. We had to impose it because people were clogging the chat 
with low-quality posts. Are you saying that you can't tell whether a post is 
from FairfieldLife or from some other group, and therefore it would be hard for 
you to tell how many posts you had made to FairfieldLife?



  Incidentally, Buggy's situation, as a blind person, is a good reason for all 
of us snipping. If he's using a program which reads emails aloud, then if we 
don't snip, he has to listen to many minutes of junk to get to the new material 
embedded in it. 


   


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[FairfieldLife] Re: Troubled past

[lurkernomore20002000]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

snip 

Sigh.  Rambling here.  Who's still reading?

Definitely not me, and what a shame since I so enjoy your posts.

lurk
 

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis 
reavismarek@
  wrote:
  
   I want to comment on this and don't really know how to, except 
   to endorse your willingness to explore life with deep and 
   wholehearted committment. I love that you were so totally 
   into the movement; you and me and so many people who post 
here. 
  
  If that is you not knowing how to express yourself,
  I wait with 'bated breath for more posts in which
  you are more sure. :-) Well said. That is one of my
  main reasons for being here, too. I really *enjoy*
  being in the company of people who have made a 
  strong commitment to a spiritual path, *wherever*
  it might have taken them. I am equally comfortable
  with those who have spent decades with the TMO and
  who have moved on as I am with those who have spent
  decades with it and now have mainly positive feelings
  about their experiences, but approach the movement
  from a distance, and I am equally comfortable with 
  those who still are committed to the TMO and manage
  to pull that off without very much of the elitism 
  that one tends to see in those I deem TBs.
  
  What I am *not* as comfortable with is those who have
  *never* made any strong commitment to the TMO or to
  any other spiritual path, and who consistently try
  to put down those who have walked away from one or 
  more spiritual paths as if doing so were some kind of
  failure on their part. When the word phony comes up
  here, as it tends to do more often than it should,
  *those* are the people who leap to my mind.
  
   Although my children, now adults, are so much better than me 
   in so many ways, one thing they don't have in their lives is 
   the experience so many of us had when we were young and 
   young adults within the TM movement -- the unparalleled 
   experience of being part of such a cause and such a 
   movement, either as it actually was at the time or as 
   we thought it to be.
  
  Well said again. I have very little contact these
  days in real life with people who have had this
  opportunity. That is one reason I find it so inter-
  esting to hang with such people on the Internet.
  There is something about those who have made a 
  strong, decades-long commitment not only to their
  own spiritual path, but to *promoting* and *teaching*
  that spiritual path that removes the rough edges 
  of the ego to some extent, and that cultivates a
  sense of compassion and of caring for one's fellow
  man. I often find that missing from those who have
  never had the experience of putting someone else's
  welfare ahead of their own (other than, say, their
  own children and families). 
  
  I worked pretty much full-time for spiritual movements
  for 28 years of my life, devoting either part or all
  of my time and income to furthering their goals, and
  trying to help a few people along the Way. So, like
  Curtis, do I sometimes get tired when people who have
  *never* done this suggest that I'm a slimeball because
  I no longer choose to do this accuse me of being a 
  failure or of having missed the whole point of the
  teaching? You betcha. In my not so humble opinion,
  such people missed the whole point of the teaching
  THEMSELVES. THEY are the ones who never really 
  did much for anyone but themselves, at least in terms
  of spreading and teaching meditation and other forms
  of spirituality.
  
  Curtis has paid his dues, and has *earned* some fuckin'
  RESPECT for having done that, man. So have all the other
  wonderful people here who put their money where their
  mouths were, spiritually, and made a strong commitment
  to helping others. Those who have never done that but
  who set themselves up as the arbiters of Things Spiritual
  or of what constitutes a proper relationship with one's
  spiritual teacher or spiritual organization can go suck
  eggs as far as I'm concerned. When they start ragging 
  on those who *have* made such a commitment as if they
  are better than they are, I consider them spiritual 
  pissants, legends in their own tiny minds who do *not*
  have the right to insinuate themselves into the thoughts
  that go through *my* mind on a regular basis.
  
  One of the things I've been doing lately is a kind of
  mindfulness, a Buddhist exercise in maintaining focus.
  Whenever one of these spiritual pissants -- on this 
  forum or on others -- tries to push his or her way into
  my mind and make me focus on them, I try to do the 
  exact opposite. I hit the NEXT key the moment they get
  nasty and read no further in that post. I try to never
  again think of that person that day. And I have a kind
  of rule that I've made for myself that says that I 
  will 

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Thursday's Overposting

[Rick Archer]

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Buggy
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 10:00 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Thursday's Overposting

 

Hi my son has it now in a folder so I can monitor how many times I reply. I
will keep to your groups requirements.

 

Starting tonight at midnight it's going to be 35 posts a week, rather than 5
posts a day. I don't think you'll have any trouble abiding by that.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Troubled past

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 Hey, you guys leave Curtis alone. We hungout together
 at MIU and he's quite otay in my book. If you
 personally knew Curtis there's no way in the world you
 guys would attack him or attempt to demean him. He's
 one of the good guys. He really is. I could give a
 rat's ass what the difference is between his take on
 the TMO/MMY, etc. and what my take is. Who cares. I
 could care less if he tried to deprogram me as I came
 out of the dome. What would it matter. We could talk
 about it over chapatis and tastey dahl, yum!


Although I didn't hang out with him, I knew Curtis back then as well.

He's a totally harmless creature with a sweet disposition.



 
 --- curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 
  I will address this to judyjim who seem to have
  formed a symbiotic
  entity of malice toward me personally.
  
  From the ages of 16 through 31 I explored the
  teachings of MMY.  I did
  it with the enthusiasm and commitment that I needed
  to experience the
  states of mind his programs bring.  At age 31 I
  began a process of
  re-evaluating my experiences from outside MMY's
  system and found those
  explanations to be more useful to me, and to my mind
  more truthful. 
  In other words, I changed my mind due to new
  information and
  perspectives as I grew up.  It was a long process
  and came at a cost,
  but it was worth it. As I have said many times, I do
  not regret my
  experiences with MMY's teachings.  I gained all
  sorts of value from
  those years.  But I also look at the movement and
  its leader's
  self-importance as ridiculous and a good subject for
  humor. 
  
  Judyjim have presented a criticism of my total
  commitment and sincere
  efforts when I was a part of organization a few
  times here, as if
  following MMY's strictest programs, sidhaland and
  MIU was a personal
  failure of mine.  They also point to my willingness
  to share my new
  perspective with those who were interested as if
  this too reveals a
  defect in my character.
  
  The attempt to paint my life as troubled because I
  was sincerely
  focused on MMY's teachings for 15 years, and since
  1989  have
  expressed another point of view on his teaching, is
  lame.  Rather then
  discussing ideas, it is the last resort to attempt
  to attack the
  person rather than an argument.  It is the lowest
  form of discourse.
  It takes neither imagination or intellectual
  insight.  
  
  To Judy:  You have brought up the idea that when I
  fight back when
  personally attacked here, it is a flaw in my nice
  guy image.  This
  is a contrivance of your own invention.  I am not a
  nice guy to people
  who attack me. I fight back when I feel it is
  appropriate.  I am nice
  to people who treat me with respect and have the
  ability to discuss
  ideas without making it a personal attack.  I will
  always point out
  when a person is being rude to me or attacking me
  personally. Your
  continued hostility towards me personally speaks for
  itself about your
  personal values.  I do not share them.  
  
  To Jim: If you can search on my name you can search
  what ad hominem
  attacks are.  Your use of them undermines any hope
  you may have as
  coming across as a thoughtful advocate of your point
  of view.
  
  My point of view is based on my perspective that MMY
  is incorrect in
  his understanding of human consciousness.  My POV is
  a positive step
  for me in understanding my life and my experiences
  in the movement. 
  For the people here who are able to discuss our
  various perspectives,
  where we differ, and where we agree, I am extremely
  grateful.  Posting
  here has been a valuable asset to the evolution of
  my perspective and
  thoughts concerning MMY among other parts of life. 
  Some of you have
  shared my intense interest in MMY's teachings to the
  point of pursuing
  it fulltime.  You are the people I relate to best
  here. If MMY was
  correct in his understanding of human consciousness,
  this total
  commitment to achieving his goals is the most
  rational thing for a
  person to do.  Likewise, if we have decided that it
  no longer suited
  our needs, it is also rational to express our
  growing understanding
  assisted by other teachers, and our own personal
  thinking.  There are
  many on this group who discuss ideas in this
  mutually respectful way.
   It is a fantastic intellectual resource.  That is
  why I post here.
  
  
  
  
  
  
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[FairfieldLife] Re: This guy Girish is creepy

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
 shempmcgurk@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ 
  wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ 
 wrote:
   
In all fairness to Girish, does anybody know him? He
may look creepy, but he could be a great guy. Who
knows?

   I gotta say he doesn't even look creepy to me. Just looks like 
 some 
   dude looking at the camera. If someone had posted his picture 
 sans 
  the 
   picture of Maharishi in it, claiming to be a picture of a 
poster 
 here 
   on FFL, no one would've thought twice about it. Its just 
 projection.
  
  
  I agree that a photo just of Girish by himself is innoculous.
  
  But a photo of Girish with a photo of Maharishi behind him beside 
 a 
  photo of Girish of equal size and stature PLUS two wide-eyed 
 Western 
  cult members rounding out the pretty picture is most definitely 
 creepy 
  and Ghoulish.
 
 If I was in the room with them and could assess the situation and 
 talk with Girish, maybe I'd agree. I just don't know what it felt 
 like to be there. Pictures can be so decieving. Maybe I'd talk to 
 Girish and he'd say, 'oh that (referring to the two pictures), 
yeah, 
 someone put those up. I don't really notice them', and we'd move 
on, 
 or maybe he'd say, 'yes, I am the new Maharishi', and then tell me 
 to empty his wastebasket, and I'd think 'what an asshole...'. So 
 really hard to say what is going on there from just a picture. I 
 sometimes get energy from pictures, but in this case, nada.


What does your Spidey Sense tell you about the second photo, the one 
where he's dressed up like Maharishi, has a beard like Maharishi, is 
sitting on the dais just like Maharishi and has the Guru Dev painting 
behind him?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Infinite_monkey_theorem and the 5 post limit

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 When Bob Newhart was doing stand up on Ed Sullivan.  One joke he 
told
 has always stuck with me -- reoccuring to me many times across the
 decades.
 
 He said, If they ever sit these infinite number of monkeys down
 before typewriters, they'd have to have human checkers who read
 everything typed by the monkeys to see if it was Shakespearean.
 
 Here's a dialog between checkers.
 
 Anything over there from your monkeys?
 
 Nah, just the normal gibberish.
 
 Man it takes like forever for something good to happen.
 
 Hey I think I've got something here, Fred.  'To be or not to be, 
that
 is the . ... .. guzzornumplatt.
 
 And why that joke stuck probably is a big tell about my 
personality. 
 Maybe I am always going to be a guzzornumplatt away from
 enlightenment's perfection.
 
 Not that I'm not enlightened, but if I were to be not enlightened, 
I'd
 be a guzzornumplatt away from it, mebets.
 
 To date, I don't know how far a guzzornumplatt is.  It seems quite a
 distance.   Any help from you guys about this would be appreciated.
 
 Edg



Edg, for the sake of your mental health, I sure as hell hope you 
never heard the If two spacemen leave Earth in two separate 
spaceships at the same time analogy that is used to explain 
Einstein's General Theory of Relativity...





 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ 
wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ 
wrote:
  
   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinite_monkey_theorem
   
   The problem with the five post limit is that it defeats the vast
   possibilities for brilliant cognitions inherent in the infinite 
  monkey
   theorem.
  
  However if space is substituted for time in the infinite monkey 
  theorem, the complete works of Shakespeare, all of the posts thus 
  appearing in FFL, and in fact the entire Library of Congress a 
billion 
  times over has already been typed out flawlessly, or perhaps 
  flawlessly backwards, by the typing monkey. And I do mean actual 
  monkeys at actual typewriters. Without white out. Wearing fezes. 
And 
  pince nez. eating grapes. Honest.
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Troubled past

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Sal, what's the meaning of your signoff acronym JM2C (below)?  
I'm 
 stumped.


Salvatore is a conspiracy theorist.

JM2C is an obvious reference to the belief held by many Beatles 
fans in the 1960s that Paul McCartney was killed in a car crash and 
replaced by someone else.

The J stands for John, as in John Lennon;

The M stands for McCartney, as in Paul McCartney;

The 2 stands for Lennon and McCartney together;

And the C stands for cremated because in order to keep the 
Beatles together, and totally fool the public and the authorities, 
the real Paul's body had to disappear completely.

The person who replaced Paul was someone named Mike McGear who is 
Paul's biological brother who had minor facial surgery at the time  
in order to make him look like Paul.  Once the transition was made, 
the new Paul dropped Jane Asher as his girlfriend (they were 
engaged to be married) and took up with Linda Eastman.

And the rest is history.





 
 **
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ 
 wrote:
 
  On May 3, 2007, at 9:19 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote:
  
   To Judy:  You have brought up the idea that when I fight back 
when
   personally attacked here, it is a flaw in my nice guy image.  
 This
   is a contrivance of your own invention.  I am not a nice guy to 
 people
   who attack me. I fight back when I feel it is appropriate.  I 
am 
 nice
   to people who treat me with respect and have the ability to 
 discuss
   ideas without making it a personal attack.  I will always point 
 out
   when a person is being rude to me or attacking me personally. 
Your
   continued hostility towards me personally speaks for itself 
about 
 your
   personal values.  I do not share them.
  
  Curtis,
  They (Judy/Jim) are simply using you since Barry has been AWOL 
for 
 a 
  few days--if they can't find someone to argue with/slander, their 
 lives 
  have that much less meaning.  I appreciate hearing about your 
  experiences again, but I also  am pretty sure they will simply 
pick 
  apart what you've said and throw it back again, as they 
inevitably 
 do, 
  since that seems to be one of the few things that give their 
lives 
  meaning.
  
  Ignore them.  Simply don't respond, ever, to their baiting.  I 
know 
 it 
  isn't easy, slander is never easy to ignore, but it does get 
easier 
 the 
  more you do it.  Both of them have serious issues that go way 
 beyond 
  the scope of anyone on this forum to influence in any positive 
way, 
 and 
  responding is basically enabling, since there is nothing they 
can't 
 use 
  to either start a fresh argument, or feed an old one.  JM2C.
  
  Sal
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Overposting

[shempmcgurk]

Here's another idea:

Keep the 5 posts a day maximum.  But for those that want to post MORE 
than the 5, we can have buy indulgences.  You know, like the Catholic 
Church in days of yore.  Or in the TMO like when someone buys into 
becoming a Raja.

Or maybe we can purchase extra posts via carbon credits.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Judy posted 10 times today, so she joins Shemp in moderation land. 
No posts
 for her until Friday. Curtis overposted by one. Light slap on the 
wrist.
 Even though everyone but New Morning is opposed to it, I'm seriously
 thinking of trying the 35 posts-per-week system. You can shoot your 
wad in
 one day and we won't hear from you for a week, or you can pace 
yourself.
 Either way, the daily average should be about the same. I overpost 
myself
 some days, and other days don't post at all. So this way I wouldn't 
violate
 a rule I'm supposed to enforce. If we try this, we'll start it 
Friday night
 at midnight, so weekend warriors will have free reign. My email 
client
 (Outlook) shows me the total of posts, if I sort by posters' names, 
so it
 won't be hard for me to keep track of. Maybe we'll try it for a 
week, then
 reevaluate.

[FairfieldLife] Re: A Tale of Two Cows

[shempmcgurk]

INDIAN CORPORATION

You have two cows.
Indian bureaucracy makes it impossible to open a business and sell 
milk.
You emigrate.
You become enormously successful like all Indians do once they leave 
India.
You buy as many cows as you want.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

  
  A Midwesterner's political Primer
 
 DEMOCRATIC
 
 You have two cows.
 Your neighbor has none.
 You feel guilty for being successful.
 Barbra Streisand sings for you.
 
 REPUBLICAN
 
 You have two cows.
 Your neighbor has none.
 So?
 
 SOCIALIST
 
 You have two cows.
 The government takes one and gives it to your neighbor.
 You form a cooperative to tell him how to manage his cow.
 
 COMMUNIST
 
 You have two cows.
 The government seizes both and provides you with milk.
 You wait in line for hours to get it.
 It is expensive and sour.
 
 CAPITALISM, AMERICAN STYLE
 
 You have two cows.
 You sell one, buy a bull, and build a herd of cows.
 
 BUREAUCRACY, AMERICAN STYLE
 
 You have two cows.
 Under the new farm program the government pays you to shoot one, 
milk the other, and then pours the milk down the drain.
 
 AMERICAN CORPORATION
 
 You have two cows.
 You sell one, lease it back to yourself and do an IPO on the 2nd 
one.
 You force the two cows to produce the milk of four cows. You are 
surprised when one cow drops dead. You spin an announcement to the 
analysts stating you have downsized and are reducing expenses.
 Your stock goes up.
 
 FRENCH CORPORATION
 
 You have two cows.
 You go on strike because you want three cows.
 You go to lunch and drink wine.
 Life is good.
 
 JAPANESE CORPORATION
 
 You have two cows.
 You redesign them so they are one-tenth the size of an ordinary cow 
and produce twenty times the milk.
 They learn to travel on unbelievably crowded trains.
 Most are at the top of their class at cow school.
 
 GERMAN CORPORATION
 
 You have two cows.
 You engineer them so they are all blond, drink lots of beer, give 
excellent quality milk, and run a hundred miles an hour.
 Unfortunately they also demand 13 weeks of vacation per year.
 
 ITALIAN CORPORATION
 
 You have two cows but you don't know where they are.
 While ambling around, you see a beautiful woman.
 You break for lunch.
 Life is good.
 
 RUSSIAN CORPORATION
 
 You have two cows.
 You have some vodka.
 You count them and learn you have five cows.
 You have some more vodka.
 You count them again and learn you have 42 cows.
 The Mafia shows up and takes over however many cows you really have.
 
 TALIBAN CORPORATION
 
 You have all the cows in Afghanistan, which are two.
 You don't milk them because you cannot touch any creature's private 
parts.
 You get a $40 million grant from the US government to find 
alternatives to milk production but use the money to buy weapons.
 
 IRAQI CORPORATION
 
 You have two cows.
 They go into hiding.
 They send audio tapes of their mooing.
 
 POLISH CORPORATION
 
 You have two bulls.
 Employees are regularly maimed and killed attempting to milk them.
 
 BELGIAN CORPORATION
 
 You have one cow.
 The cow is schizophrenic.
 Sometimes the cow thinks he's French, other times he's Flemish.
 The Flemish cow won't share with the French cow.
 The French cow wants control of the Flemish cow's milk.
 The cow asks permission to be cut in half.
 The cow dies happy.
 
 FLORIDA CORPORATION
 
 You have a black cow and a brown cow.
 Everyone votes for the best looking one.
 Some of the people who actually like the brown one best 
accidentally vote for the black one.
 Some people vote for both.
 Some people vote for neither.
 Some people can't figure out how to vote at all.
 Finally, a bunch of guys from out-of-state tell you which one you 
think is the best-looking cow.
 
 CALIFORNIA CORPORATION
 
 You have millions of cows.
 They make real California cheese.
 Only five speak English.
 Most are illegal.
 Arnold likes the ones with the big udders.

 
  
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