[FairfieldLife] Re: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda

2007-05-31 Thread bob_brigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ 
  wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam 
 jpgillam@ 
   wrote:
   
I'm curious to know what ordinary mortals 
feel in these SV buildings. Anybody have 
anything to report?


   
   
   
   
   I have spent very little time in SV bldgs, but I have felt a 
 clear 
   uplifting quality on entering these bldgs. I had the same 
 sensation 
   when I entered the old SRM (Charlie Lutes organization in TM-
 ville) 
   bldg in W. Los Angeles, where thousands of initations had been 
   performed: a feeling of being lighter, a feeling of bliss and 
  greater 
   self-awareness. The SRM bldg was not SV-compliant (it had north 
 and 
   west entrances, but at least it did not have a south entrance), 
 but 
   the experience was clear and persistent through many visits, 
and 
 I 
  am 
   not given to bliss-ninny mood-making -- I have had the same 
   experience on entering the SV bldgs in Fairfield, so I would 
   definitely spring for a compliant house, and plan to do so as 
 soon 
  as 
   I pay off the repair and upgrades on my aircraft.
  
  One fellow I know in Australia lived in a very non-SV building 
and 
  descided to just make a small correction to the entrance so at 
 least 
  that would face north. Within three weeks he met the woman in his 
  life, after 4 months he won a huge sum in the lottery. More 
  importantly he claims his meditations are more quiet, Sidhis more 
  clear than before and his general support of nature more 
 pronounced. 
  The cost of the adjustment was 3000$
 


 On the other hand, my next door neighbor changed the entrance of 
his 
 front door from south to west and two years later his young wife 
 died suddenly and unexpectedly. :-)



***

West is only slightly less inauspicious than south for entrances.






[FairfieldLife] Re: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda

2007-05-31 Thread bob_brigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ 
wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam 
jpgillam@ 
  wrote:
  
   I'm curious to know what ordinary mortals 
   feel in these SV buildings. Anybody have 
   anything to report?
  
  
  
  I have spent very little time in SV bldgs, but I have felt a 
clear 
  uplifting quality on entering these bldgs. I had the same 
sensation 
  when I entered the old SRM (Charlie Lutes organization in TM-
ville) 
  bldg in W. Los Angeles, where thousands of initations had been 
  performed: a feeling of being lighter, a feeling of bliss and 
  greater self-awareness. 
 


 That was because Fleetwood Mac used to record
 in the studios downstairs. You can get the same
 uplifting hit by going to the beauty parlor
 on San Vicente where Stevie Nicks used to get
 her nails done. It's become somewhat of a 
 place of pilgrimage, with thousands of seekers
 per month coming to lay flowers at the base of
 the revolving chair where she sat and had the
 holy work done. I hear they sell her fingernail
 clippings as holy icons.
 
 :-)



**


You must be downwind of that Eyetalian air:

http://tinyurl.com/ypphvv



[FairfieldLife] Re: Using eminent domain to take a farmer's land in Vedic City

2007-05-31 Thread Alex Stanley
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley 
 j_alexander_stanley@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ 
 wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, george_deforest 
   george.deforest@ wrote:
people here on FFL seem to be jumping to the conclusion that 
Vedic City is automatically wrong for this aggressiveness.
(just like the grand-standing county supervisors want you to)

   They ARE automatically wrong. They should pay the farmer what he 
 is 
   asking, or if they deem his price above market value, then they 
 wait. 
   The insidious thing about eminent domain seizures is that they 
 create 
   a precedent that can then be exercised more loosely next time the 
 city 
   wants to annex land. And please give me a break- I've seen 
 pictures of 
   the booming metropolis of so called Vedic City, and they 
 honestly 
   don't need more land, and won't for quite a while...:-)
  
  This situation is EXACTLY the kind of PR nightmare the community
  doesn't need. They should pay the guy what he wants for his 
 property.
  Or, better yet, buy acreage for a city park within VC. Is there some
  legal reason why VC can't pull their eminent domain stunt against
  Global Country, which owns hundreds and hundreds of undeveloped 
 acres
  inside VC?
 
 
 
 **
 
 
 The real reason VC wants the land is to stop the guy from building a 
 hog lot on his farm:
 
 Palm, who met with the supervisors in March about the process of 
 building a hog confinement, confirmed this morning that he is 
 pursuing a confinement and has contacted the Department of Natural 
 Resources, as well as a contractor.
   The bottom line is we believe that the whole process is to 
 stop our progression with the farming operation, Ron Palm said.
 
 today's Fairfield Ledger: http://tinyurl.com/28z6bl

Thanks, Bob. That puts the story into an entirely different perspective.



Re: [FairfieldLife] [FairfieldLife] Barbed Wire?

2007-05-31 Thread Bhairitu
Looks like a solar charged electric fence.  I'll pass it on to the 
Indian community.

Sal Sunshine wrote:
 On May 31, 2007, at 1:54 PM, ffia1120 wrote:

 Sal -- head out to the Rukmapura. Look to your left as you reach the
 Rukmapura. You'll see the compound sitting way back off the road.
 There is a gravel road that leads to it. Maybe the barbed wire fence
 is cheaper than the chain link fence facing the main road?

 Yeah, maybe.  And maybe the people who think up this kind of idiocy 
 are just plain nuts.  I mean, what is the point of putting up a large 
 fence when there is absolutely nowhere to go?  What are they afraid 
 of--that the  pundits might sneak out and have a wild night at the 
 Rukmapura, perhaps?  LIke they wouldn't be noticed there?  And this is 
 the group that is bringing world peace--prisoners in a compound 
 surrounded by barbed wire.  And to top it all off, they have cameras 
 mounted on poles at the entrance.  What's next--towers with machine 
 guns?  Aushwitz, anyone?  Sure looks like a fun place to be.  How come 
 there's always $$ for  projects like this but so little to beautify 
 the campus already in existence?  Take a look at the photos for a good 
 idea of how unfriendly and out-of-place this compound looks amidst the 
 cornfields.  The sun was really bright so I couldn't get as much 
 detail as Id have liked, but you get the general idea. It's just a 
 blight on the whole area.

 Sal





 







 







 







 










Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Using eminent domain to take a farmer's land in Vedic City

2007-05-31 Thread Sal Sunshine

On May 31, 2007, at 5:01 PM, Alex Stanley wrote:


The real reason VC wants the land is to stop the guy from building a
hog lot on his farm:

Palm, who met with the supervisors in March about the process of
building a hog confinement, confirmed this morning that he is
pursuing a confinement and has contacted the Department of Natural
Resources, as well as a contractor.
  The bottom line is we believe that the whole process is to
stop our progression with the farming operation, Ron Palm said.

today's Fairfield Ledger: http://tinyurl.com/28z6bl


Thanks, Bob. That puts the story into an entirely different 
perspective.


What nonsense, Alex.  Whatever the alleged reason, it does not give 
them license to act like pr*cks.


Sal


Re: [FairfieldLife] [FairfieldLife] Barbed Wire?

2007-05-31 Thread Vaj


On May 31, 2007, at 6:04 PM, Sal Sunshine wrote:

Yeah, maybe.  And maybe the people who think up this kind of idiocy  
are just plain nuts.  I mean, what is the point of putting up a  
large fence when there is absolutely nowhere to go?  What are they  
afraid of--that the  pundits might sneak out and have a wild night  
at the Rukmapura, perhaps?  LIke they wouldn't be noticed there?   
And this is the group that is bringing world peace--prisoners in a  
compound surrounded by barbed wire.  And to top it all off, they  
have cameras mounted on poles at the entrance.  What's next--towers  
with machine guns?  Aushwitz, anyone?  Sure looks like a fun place  
to be.  How come there's always $$ for  projects like this but so  
little to beautify the campus already in existence?  Take a look at  
the photos for a good idea of how unfriendly and out-of-place this  
compound looks amidst the cornfields.  The sun was really bright so  
I couldn't get as much detail as Id have liked, but you get the  
general idea. It's just a blight on the whole area.



I wouldn't worry, that looks like Maharishi Dhanur Ved barbed wire to  
me. No worry, it's in accord with Natural Law and is Unified Field  
based fencing. It reflects the 'do not touch me I or I will cut thee'  
aspect of the Unified Field.


Time to call Human rights groups? They'd love these picture, although  
it would be better if you could get some pundits in the picts. I  
suggest leaving a gold box of gulab jamin by the fence.





[FairfieldLife] Re: Barbed Wire?

2007-05-31 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 On May 31, 2007, at 1:58 PM, ffia1120 wrote:
 
  Sal -- head out to the Rukmapura. Look to your left as you reach 
the
  Rukmapura. You'll see the compound sitting way back off the road.
  There is a gravel road that leads to it. Maybe the barbed wire 
fence
  is cheaper than the chain link fence facing the main road?
 
 Got it--I'm on my way as soon as I load up the dog--she wants to see 
 this too. :)
 Has to be one of the more bizarre things they've done.
 
 Sal

God you people need to get a life. Barbed wire is often used to keep 
animals in or out around farms and farmland. Cows, deer, horses, 
sheep, pigs, camels. It is one strand of barbed wire and not one human 
on Earth could be kept in or out by that for a second. Obviously 
people like Turquoise and the other loonies here would get withdrawel 
symptoms if they stepped foot into the countryside and went near a 
farm or a mountain to find out how the real world actually functions.

OffWorld 



[FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown

2007-05-31 Thread vishvarupa108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On Behalf Of vishvarupa108
 Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 11:52 AM
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown
 
  
 
 In all these years, there have been no 
 complaints from children or parents of children that Sathya Sai 
Baba 
 is a pedophile who molests children. Not even one single verifiable 
 grievance, complaint, record, file or anything else for that matter.
 
 That isn't true. I watched a one-hour documentary, perhaps produced 
by the
 BBC, about an American family whose son was sexually molested by 
Sai Baba
 from an early age. Andy Rymer admits to having had sexual 
interaction with
 SB. And many others. He hasn't been arrested because the Indian 
police are
 on the payroll.


Rick Archer, and where is your objective and verifiable proof that 
the Indian police are on Sai Baba's payroll? It sounds to me like you 
(like ex-devotees) cannot make a factual argument against Sai Baba so 
you must resort to specious conspiracy theories. Show us the proof. 
We would all like to see it.

And it is obvious that you have not kept up with the Sai Controversy. 
The one hour documentary you are referring to is the 'Secret Swami' 
Documentary and there has been a major update regarding its 
prime witness, Alaya Rahm.

Alaya Rahm self-dismissed his own lawsuit against the Sathya Sai Baba 
Society Of America after Lewis Kreydick (a witness Alaya cited in 
court documents - who was present with him on his first trip and in 
most of his interviews) came forward and refuted all of his claims. I 
will not go into detail here, because it is easily available on the 
internet. Also, Alaya Rahm claimed the sexual abuse started when he 
was 18 and an adult. Prior to that, he claimed he received a non-
sexual oiling when he was 16 and the scans to Kreydick's testimony 
are very revealing about Alaya's demeanor. Kreydick was the person 
who voluntarily took Alaya to India on his first visit:

http://www.saisathyasai.com/Rahm-Public-Court-Records/

http://www.saisathyasai.com/Rahm-Public-Court-
Records/critics_alaya_rahm_failed_lawsuit.html

http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Ex-Baba.com/A-AlayaRahm/



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Barbed Wire?

2007-05-31 Thread Sal Sunshine

On May 31, 2007, at 5:33 PM, off_world_beings wrote:


God you people need to get a life. Barbed wire is often used to keep
animals in or out around farms and farmland. Cows, deer, horses,
sheep, pigs, camels.


There are none, at least no cows, horses, sheep or pigs anywhere in the 
area, and if there were, presumably their owners would have them fenced 
in.  I doubt there's  many deer.  Must be the camels they're trying to 
keep out.



It is one strand of barbed wire and not one human
on Earth could be kept in or out by that for a second.


Actually there's at least 4 or 5 strands (not easy to se e in the 
picture, I know.  Like I said, the sun was really bright).



 Obviously
people like Turquoise and the other loonies here would get withdrawel
symptoms if they stepped foot into the countryside and went near a
farm or a mountain to find out how the real world actually functions.


Takes one to know one, Off.  The real world lives behind barbed wire, 
with cameras at their entries?  Thanks for the news.


Sal


[FairfieldLife] Re: Using eminent domain to take a farmer's land in Vedic City

2007-05-31 Thread Alex Stanley
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 On May 31, 2007, at 5:01 PM, Alex Stanley wrote:
 
  The real reason VC wants the land is to stop the guy from building a
  hog lot on his farm:
 
  Palm, who met with the supervisors in March about the process of
  building a hog confinement, confirmed this morning that he is
  pursuing a confinement and has contacted the Department of Natural
  Resources, as well as a contractor.
The bottom line is we believe that the whole process is to
  stop our progression with the farming operation, Ron Palm said.
 
  today's Fairfield Ledger: http://tinyurl.com/28z6bl
 
  Thanks, Bob. That puts the story into an entirely different 
  perspective.
 
 What nonsense, Alex.  Whatever the alleged reason, it does not give 
 them license to act like pr*cks.

IMO, the fact that the pork industry paid for laws to be passed that
allow zero local control of such quality-of-life destroying,
environmental nuisances leaves VC little choice. Ugly laws let farmers
negatively impact their neighbors with these filth factories, and ugly
eminent domain laws may let one neighbor fight back. If anything, it's
a case of pr*ck vs. pr*ck. 



[FairfieldLife] Re: Barbed Wire?

2007-05-31 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 On May 31, 2007, at 5:33 PM, off_world_beings wrote:
 
  God you people need to get a life. Barbed wire is often used to 
keep
  animals in or out around farms and farmland. Cows, deer, horses,
  sheep, pigs, camels.
 
 There are none, at least no cows, horses, sheep or pigs anywhere 
in the 
 area, and if there were, presumably their owners would have them 
fenced 
 in.  I doubt there's  many deer.  Must be the camels they're 
trying to 
 keep out.

Deers and Camels.


 
  It is one strand of barbed wire and not one human
  on Earth could be kept in or out by that for a second.
 
 Actually there's at least 4 or 5 strands (not easy to se e in the 
 picture, I know.  Like I said, the sun was really bright).

Picture doesn't show up.

 
   Obviously
  people like Turquoise and the other loonies here would get 
withdrawel
  symptoms if they stepped foot into the countryside and went near 
a
  farm or a mountain to find out how the real world actually 
functions.
 
 Takes one to know one, Off.  The real world lives behind barbed 
wire, 
 with cameras at their entries?

The real world is not a bunch of city slickers living in the country 
getting all uppity about a barbed wire fence. Which ignorant city 
did you evolve in Sal?

OffWorld



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Barbed Wire?

2007-05-31 Thread Sal Sunshine

On May 31, 2007, at 6:06 PM, off_world_beings wrote:


The real world is not a bunch of city slickers living in the country
getting all uppity about a barbed wire fence. Which ignorant city
did you evolve in Sal?


Chicago, where presumably they have much bigger problems than they do 
out here and, oddly enough, I've never seen a barbed wire fence there, 
not even once.  Must not be enough camels.


Sal


[FairfieldLife] Re: Stories

2007-05-31 Thread Richard J. Williams
TurquoiseB wrote:
  Maharishi is one of the greatest spiritual teachers
  the world has ever known. He is a living saint, fully
  enlightened, and thus incapable of doing anything that
  is not fully in accord with the laws of nature. There-
  fore anything that anyone says against him is false,
  and indicates that the person saying it is either
  deluded or has some malevolent intent towards this
  great saint. He's one of the world's 'good guys,' and
  anyone who speaks ill of him is a 'bad guy.'
  
  Maharishi is a con man who has systematically ripped
  off the gullible seekers who have followed him for
  decades. He promises them everything -- including
  enlightenment -- and delivers on almost nothing. And
  to protect himself he has created an autocracy that
  punishes any questioning of his authority or his 
  essential 'right' to dictate to his followers what
  they should do and think with excommunication or
  worse (legal action should they violate the copy-
  rights he has taken out on common domain techniques
  and knowledge). He's a 'bad guy,' and anyone who
  tells the 'truth' about him (as defined above) is a 
  'good guy.'
  
  Global warming is a serious problem that threatens
  the future of humanity and the Earth, and those who
  attempt to diminish its importance are enemies of
  humanity.
  
  Global warming is a scam perpetrated by 'scientists'
  who are in it for the money, and who are putting over
  one of the biggest frauds in history on their fellow
  human beings.
  
  Polticians of the Republican/Democratic Party (pick one)
  are 'good guys' who have the welfare of the population 
  as a whole in their hearts. Anyone who says something 
  negative about them is doing so because they *oppose*
  the welfare of the population as a whole. Such people
  are liars and are not to be trusted.
  
  Polticians of the Republican/Democratic Party (pick one)
  are 'bad guys' who have sold out to the interests of 
  those who control them from behind the scenes. The only
  thing they care about is themselves, and putting more 
  money and more power in their pockets. Anyone who says 
  something negative about them is doing so because they 
  *oppose* these self-interested actions, and are acting
  from a sense of heroism, 'protecting' the welfare of the 
  population as a whole. Such people are heroes and are 
  to be trusted implicitly because they *are* heroes.
  
  I am 'right' because because the sources I have quoted 
  to support my position are 'better' than yours.
  
  You are 'wrong' because because the sources you have 
  quoted to support your position are 'lesser' than mine.
  
  My view of who I am and what I do and why I do it is
  'correct' and yours is 'incorrect,' because I say so.
  No one could *possibly* believe the things you're saying
  about me, so the fact that you're saying them means that
  you are intentionally 'lying' about me.
  
  Your view of who you am and what you do and why you do 
  it is 'incorrect' and mine is 'correct,' because I say so.
  I *do* believe the things I'm saying about you, and you
  just can't handle the possibility that they're true.
  
  What do all these stories have in common? First, obviously,
  they're all Just Stories. NONE of them are 'true' or 
  'truth' -- they're just stories that we tell ourselves
  and others.
 
jstein wrote: 
 Actually, that's not true.

Actually, this is deceiving - they are all true stories.



[FairfieldLife] In TM, is the mantra empowered by MMY, or Guru Dev?

2007-05-31 Thread BillyG.
*Adhikara* is a term used to describe the 'transference' of the power
of the 'guru' to the chela via the mantra. If there is no
illuminative state in the consciousness of the giver, no transference
can take placethere is NO adhi-kara. Swami G.Kriyananda

Anybody know the TM position on thisor?



[FairfieldLife] Re: 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0

2007-05-31 Thread Richard J. Williams
Bhairitu wrote:
   You drink the kool-aid and I listen to people who 
   actually worked on Vista.
  
So, you bought a cheap Intel notebook with Vista on it, but 
I'm the one drinking the kool-aid. How do you like paying 
those double FICA taxes?

 ...if you were paying attention you would have learned 
 that to make sure some software I've developed works on 
 Vista I purchased a Vista notebook.  



[FairfieldLife] Re: Using eminent domain to take a farmer's land in Vedic City

2007-05-31 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ 
wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley 
  j_alexander_stanley@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin 
jflanegi@ 
  wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, george_deforest 
george.deforest@ wrote:
 people here on FFL seem to be jumping to the conclusion 
that 
 Vedic City is automatically wrong for this 
aggressiveness.
 (just like the grand-standing county supervisors want you 
to)
 
They ARE automatically wrong. They should pay the farmer 
what he 
  is 
asking, or if they deem his price above market value, then 
they 
  wait. 
The insidious thing about eminent domain seizures is that 
they 
  create 
a precedent that can then be exercised more loosely next 
time the 
  city 
wants to annex land. And please give me a break- I've seen 
  pictures of 
the booming metropolis of so called Vedic City, and they 
  honestly 
don't need more land, and won't for quite a while...:-)
   
   This situation is EXACTLY the kind of PR nightmare the 
community
   doesn't need. They should pay the guy what he wants for his 
  property.
   Or, better yet, buy acreage for a city park within VC. Is 
there some
   legal reason why VC can't pull their eminent domain stunt 
against
   Global Country, which owns hundreds and hundreds of 
undeveloped 
  acres
   inside VC?
  
  
  
  **
  
  
  The real reason VC wants the land is to stop the guy from 
building a 
  hog lot on his farm:
  
  Palm, who met with the supervisors in March about the process 
of 
  building a hog confinement, confirmed this morning that he is 
  pursuing a confinement and has contacted the Department of 
Natural 
  Resources, as well as a contractor.
The bottom line is we believe that the whole process is 
to 
  stop our progression with the farming operation, Ron Palm said.
  
  today's Fairfield Ledger: http://tinyurl.com/28z6bl
 
 Thanks, Bob. That puts the story into an entirely different 
perspective.

I'll just sit here and enjoy my delicious C-L-T sandwich; Crow, 
Lettuce, and Tomato, that is. :-)



[FairfieldLife] Re: Barbed Wire?

2007-05-31 Thread boo_lives
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

Somebody should sneak a tape of The Great Escape into the pundits -
it's a great movie and might give them some good ideas.





[FairfieldLife] Re: In TM, is the mantra empowered by MMY, or Guru Dev?

2007-05-31 Thread Richard J. Williams
Billy wrote:
 *Adhikara* is a term used to describe the 'transference' 
 of the power of the 'guru' to the chela via the mantra. 
 
 Anybody know the TM position on thisor?

Billy - According to Sri Vidya, the very instant you recieve 
the bija mantra from the guru you are in the enlightened state. 
That's because the bija mantra IS the Adhikara, the total sum 
of Vac, the Goddess of Speech. All you need to do after that 
is burn off your accumulated karma through tapas, inner heat. 

That's the Secret of the Three Cities, Tripurasundari.

 If there is no illuminative state in the consciousness 
 of the giver, no transference can take placethere is 
 NO adhi-kara. 
 - Swami G. Kriyananda

Word-sound, not own-sound, non-person to do it; body-heaps 
a-turning, common sound seen-to-wit, a fellow, That, not mine. 
- Tejas Wallah
  



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Using eminent domain to take a farmer's land in Vedic City

2007-05-31 Thread Sal Sunshine

On May 31, 2007, at 6:13 PM, Alex Stanley wrote:


What nonsense, Alex.  Whatever the alleged reason, it does not give
them license to act like pr*cks.


IMO, the fact that the pork industry paid for laws to be passed that
allow zero local control of such quality-of-life destroying,
environmental nuisances leaves VC little choice. Ugly laws let farmers
negatively impact their neighbors with these filth factories, and ugly
eminent domain laws may let one neighbor fight back. If anything, it's
a case of pr*ck vs. pr*ck.


Yeah, it's a shitty situation, Alex, I agree with you.  But in this 
particular case, starting  a petition, writing letters to the 
newspaper, and about a hundred other ways of alerting people to a 
potential problem would be a lot more effective than basically trying 
to steal someone's farm for pennies.  That just alienates most others 
who might have agreed with them had they not been so underhanded.


And if this does go through--which I  doubt at this point--wouldn't 
that be proof if ever there was proof, of how effective karma can be?  
And aren't they the ones who are always rationalizing other's bad luck 
by saying it's just their karma coming back?  Well, now maybe they'll 
get a whiff of their own--one load of crap wafting in the direction of 
another.  Perfect poetic justice if you ask me.


Sal


[FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown

2007-05-31 Thread boo_lives
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, vishvarupa108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote:
 
  From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  On Behalf Of vishvarupa108
  Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 11:52 AM
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown
  
   
  
  In all these years, there have been no 
  complaints from children or parents of children that Sathya Sai 
 Baba 
  is a pedophile who molests children. Not even one single verifiable 
  grievance, complaint, record, file or anything else for that matter.
  
  That isn't true. I watched a one-hour documentary, perhaps produced 
 by the
  BBC, about an American family whose son was sexually molested by 
 Sai Baba
  from an early age. Andy Rymer admits to having had sexual 
 interaction with
  SB. And many others. He hasn't been arrested because the Indian 
 police are
  on the payroll.
 
 
 Rick Archer, and where is your objective and verifiable proof that 
 the Indian police are on Sai Baba's payroll? It sounds to me like you 
 (like ex-devotees) cannot make a factual argument against Sai Baba so 
 you must resort to specious conspiracy theories. Show us the proof. 
 We would all like to see it.
 
 And it is obvious that you have not kept up with the Sai Controversy. 
 The one hour documentary you are referring to is the 'Secret Swami' 
 Documentary and there has been a major update regarding its 
 prime witness, Alaya Rahm.
 
 Alaya Rahm self-dismissed his own lawsuit against the Sathya Sai Baba 
 Society Of America after Lewis Kreydick (a witness Alaya cited in 
 court documents - who was present with him on his first trip and in 
 most of his interviews) came forward and refuted all of his claims. I 
 will not go into detail here, because it is easily available on the 
 internet. Also, Alaya Rahm claimed the sexual abuse started when he 
 was 18 and an adult. Prior to that, he claimed he received a non-
 sexual oiling when he was 16 and the scans to Kreydick's testimony 
 are very revealing about Alaya's demeanor. Kreydick was the person 
 who voluntarily took Alaya to India on his first visit:
 
 http://www.saisathyasai.com/Rahm-Public-Court-Records/
 
 http://www.saisathyasai.com/Rahm-Public-Court-
 Records/critics_alaya_rahm_failed_lawsuit.html
 
 http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Ex-Baba.com/A-AlayaRahm/

I hope Sai is paying you a good legal fee out of his billions to
spread his cult's pathetic reasoning - there's no document showing the
pay schedule with local law enforcement so obviously it can't be -
there's no video of the molestations that take place within Sai's
heavily guarded with weapons private quarters, so the dozens of
reports by credible witnesses can't be true.  Your references to Sai's
adoring website are meaningless.  Have Sai come over to the US and
face a US court and doctors' examination records of several children
of former US devotees.  His proven on video magic tricks won't help
him a bit.



[FairfieldLife] Re: In TM, is the mantra empowered by MMY, or Guru Dev?

2007-05-31 Thread BillyG.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Billy wrote:
  *Adhikara* is a term used to describe the 'transference' 
  of the power of the 'guru' to the chela via the mantra. 
  
  Anybody know the TM position on thisor?
 
 Billy - According to Sri Vidya, the very instant you recieve 
 the bija mantra from the guru you are in the enlightened state. 
 That's because the bija mantra IS the Adhikara, the total sum 
 of Vac, the Goddess of Speech. All you need to do after that 
 is burn off your accumulated karma through tapas, inner heat. 
 
 That's the Secret of the Three Cities, Tripurasundari.
 
  If there is no illuminative state in the consciousness 
  of the giver, no transference can take placethere is 
  NO adhi-kara. 
  - Swami G. Kriyananda
 
 Word-sound, not own-sound, non-person to do it; body-heaps 
 a-turning, common sound seen-to-wit, a fellow, That, not mine. 
 - Tejas Wallah


That would be my guess as well, but certainly you've heard of this
phenomenon.a friend of mine, a disciple of Rajinder Singh's group
believe that the mantra must be ensouled by a **guru**. MMY is not a
guru, but a Maharishi; whatever, thanks for your input.



[FairfieldLife] Al Gore gives the Vedic greeting sign

2007-05-31 Thread off_world_beings
Al Gore gives the Vedic greeting sign at the very beginning of this 
video. Astounding !
What gives? An American public figure not cow-towing to the christian 
low-life hoardes?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=jdPcwwK5DII



[FairfieldLife] A Valerie Flame Name Game

2007-05-31 Thread Richard J. Williams
Valerie Wilson was a covert CIA operative in the
counter-proliferation division of the CIA, according
to Mr. Fitzgerald.

Hey! Is that the same attorney Fitzgerald who helped 
defend the so-called blind shiek?

So, Val drove to CIA headquarters every day in her 
own car right through the front gate. And she used 
the secret spy name Valerie Plame, the same maiden 
name that her husband Joe used in listing her in 
'Who's Who' in Washington D.C.

Joe went to Niger and drank mint tea. When Joe came 
back he lied to the press and asserted that it was 
the Vice President's office that sent him, when in 
fact, his wife had sent him.

However, in the five years before the so-called 
outing, Val married Joe, Val got pregnant with twins, 
got maternity leave, then suffered postpartum depression, 
but somehow managed to travel covertly for the CIA 
to several countries.

Go figure.

And the 9-11 Committee found conclusively that Iraq WAS 
attempting to procure uranium from Africa!

'Plame was 'covert' Agent at Time of Name Leak'
By Joel Seidman
NBC News, May 29, 2007
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18924679/



[FairfieldLife] Re: Barbed Wire?

2007-05-31 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 On May 31, 2007, at 6:06 PM, off_world_beings wrote:
 
  The real world is not a bunch of city slickers living in the 
country
  getting all uppity about a barbed wire fence. Which ignorant city
  did you evolve in Sal?
 
 Chicago, where presumably they have much bigger problems than they 
do 
 out here and, oddly enough, I've never seen a barbed wire fence 
there, 
 not even once.  Must not be enough camels.

Barbed wire is mostly used by farmers in the countryside dear.

And I see a lot of camels in Vermont believe it or not. (not kiddin')

However, Chicago is a hell hole and all city slickers are ignorant 
fools compared to us true country boys.

No really, people who evolvoed in cities are idiots. I've never met 
an intelligent one. But I am sure you are preparing yourself well 
out there in FF for your next lifetime as a real person born and 
bred in the country.

OffWorld





[FairfieldLife] Re: Barbed Wire?

2007-05-31 Thread george_deforest
 boo_lives wrote:

 Somebody should sneak a tape of The Great Escape into the pundits -
 it's a great movie and might give them some good ideas.

or, maybe the pundits are reclusive celebrities, who -like- the idea of
barbed wire and cameras; and maybe they see the hordes of American roos
as papparazzi.



Re: [FairfieldLife] In TM, is the mantra empowered by MMY, or Guru Dev?

2007-05-31 Thread Vaj


On May 31, 2007, at 7:36 PM, BillyG. wrote:


*Adhikara* is a term used to describe the 'transference' of the power
of the 'guru' to the chela via the mantra. If there is no
illuminative state in the consciousness of the giver, no transference
can take placethere is NO adhi-kara. Swami G.Kriyananda



Sorry to burst your bubble Billy, but that is not what adhikara style  
mantra means at all.


In terms of mantra diksha, there are two important types. One is by  
puja and the other is by adhikara.


TM mantras are given by puja, not by adhikara. Adhikara mantra is a  
mantra given after the guru observes a student for whatever is needed  
to understand what needs to be given--but it is always given based on  
the unique propensity of the student, they are not dispensed via  
mere puja, the inferior and more haphazard method.





[FairfieldLife] Re: Using eminent domain to take a farmer's land in Vedic City

2007-05-31 Thread mainstream20016
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On May 31, 2007, at 6:13 PM, Alex Stanley wrote:
 
  What nonsense, Alex.  Whatever the alleged reason, it does not give
  them license to act like pr*cks.
 
  IMO, the fact that the pork industry paid for laws to be passed that
  allow zero local control of such quality-of-life destroying,
  environmental nuisances leaves VC little choice. Ugly laws let farmers
  negatively impact their neighbors with these filth factories, and ugly
  eminent domain laws may let one neighbor fight back. If anything, it's
  a case of pr*ck vs. pr*ck.
 
 Yeah, it's a shitty situation, Alex, I agree with you.  But in this 
 particular case, starting  a petition, writing letters to the 
 newspaper, and about a hundred other ways of alerting people to a 
 potential problem would be a lot more effective than basically trying 
 to steal someone's farm for pennies.  That just alienates most others 
 who might have agreed with them had they not been so underhanded.
 
 And if this does go through--which I  doubt at this point--wouldn't 
 that be proof if ever there was proof, of how effective karma can be?  
 And aren't they the ones who are always rationalizing other's bad luck 
 by saying it's just their karma coming back?  Well, now maybe they'll 
 get a whiff of their own--one load of crap wafting in the direction of 
 another.  Perfect poetic justice if you ask me.
 
 Sal

 What a mean-spirited perspective - Lighten - Up on VC !  ANY responsible
community would ACTIVELY attempt to prevent installation of a hog lot, and 
the process of eminent domain is justified in this case. 
  VC won't get skewered for using eminent domain to prevent the creation of 
a hog lot.  
Farmer Palm should receive monetary value equal to the farm's present use, not 
some 
imagined value of what it might be worth were it a hog lot.  Farmer Palm is NOT 
acting  
good neighbor,  with his extortion-like plans, and his claims of being a 
victim.   Were he 
to continue the present use of his farm, VC would probably never have issue 
with him.
  




Re: [FairfieldLife] A Valerie Flame Name Game

2007-05-31 Thread Bhairitu
Richard J. Williams wrote:
 Valerie Wilson was a covert CIA operative in the
 counter-proliferation division of the CIA, according
 to Mr. Fitzgerald.

 Hey! Is that the same attorney Fitzgerald who helped 
 defend the so-called blind shiek?

 So, Val drove to CIA headquarters every day in her 
 own car right through the front gate. And she used 
 the secret spy name Valerie Plame, the same maiden 
 name that her husband Joe used in listing her in 
 'Who's Who' in Washington D.C.

 Joe went to Niger and drank mint tea. When Joe came 
 back he lied to the press and asserted that it was 
 the Vice President's office that sent him, when in 
 fact, his wife had sent him.

 However, in the five years before the so-called 
 outing, Val married Joe, Val got pregnant with twins, 
 got maternity leave, then suffered postpartum depression, 
 but somehow managed to travel covertly for the CIA 
 to several countries.

 Go figure.

 And the 9-11 Committee found conclusively that Iraq WAS 
 attempting to procure uranium from Africa!

 'Plame was 'covert' Agent at Time of Name Leak'
 By Joel Seidman
 NBC News, May 29, 2007
 http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18924679/
I thought this guy kicked your butt pretty good over on a.m.t with his 
response:

Your team of profligate liars
and racketeers lost in '06 and
continues to lose.  Get over
it -- even though you behave
like you're on their team by
perpetuating their lying,
they'd just as soon kill you
as look at you.  They're the
enemies of a strong and
prosperous American middle
class and even more hostile
to unskilled serfs like you
-- to them you are what
Lenin called a (minimally)
useful idiot who'll repeat
old talking points like a
robot.  If there's anything
less repectable than such a
dupe, it's an overtly dopey
dupe like you.

Now, would you like some

--
Go Figure


cheese with your whine?




[FairfieldLife] Re: Stories

2007-05-31 Thread new . morning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Cute stories, and good point. Although, I have met
 a few people for whom the last story seems to have
 *been* a fact. As Stephen King once said in one of
 his books, God has a special provenance for babies,
 small children, and the terminally stoned. All 3
 *sometimes* escape unscathed from circumstances
 that bring others down, including having no income. 
 Think the Purusha guys who have managed to get other
 people to pay for their lives for years, although 
 I'm not sure which of King's three categories they 
 fall into.  :-)
 
 That joke aside, there seems to me a strong difference 
 between things that *clearly* fall into the realm of
 facts that can be determined using empirical methods
 and those that cannot, and should be more rightly
 classed in the realm of opinion. 

Yes. That is the point I was trying to illustrate. And even fact is
not 100% certainty. All truth claims have some probability 0 and   1
of being correct. And that assessment of probabilities may vary from
person to person. In that regard I agree with where I thought you were
headed -- that no knowledge or truth claim or model is 100% certain.
It may predict well  99.% of the time, but it still is not
absolute ceratinty. What I don't agree with is the notion (and I am
not saying you were advocating this) that since nothing is certain,
all claims are equally valid. 

 
 I think that most of us are capable of determining
 which is which, and of acting appropriately in the real
 world, most of the time. But here on FFL the distinc-
 tion often seems to be blurred. 

 But let's get back to the stories *I* told earlier.
 I still think they're all Just Stories, and *don't*
 deserve to be classed as Fact. Do you disagree? 

The Global Warming one stood out for me. While it is not  certain, the
degree of certainty has been rising for several decades. With the
recent UN reports, IMO, its beyond 99% established. Thus what I
infered from your story, not that you intended to imply it, was that
both stories are equally valid. The latter one is quack bait compared
the former. Even while neither is certain. 

 Can
 you propose a set of empirical methods by which the
 truth of any of them can be determined to the point
 that they could be considered Facts? 

If what you mean by facts is 100% certainty, thats not the model I
work with or beleive in. As I said, the Global warming one has far
more  wieght in the first one than the latter.

 I'm not challeng-
 ing the gist of what you said; it deserved to be said.
 I'm just curious. Here they are again:

As with all things, I think there is at least some truth in each
story. And some possibility that it may be valid. but it may be 99/1,
or 80/20 or 50/50. Not often precisely the latter.
 
 
 Maharishi is one of the greatest spiritual teachers
 the world has ever known. He is a living saint, fully
 enlightened, and thus incapable of doing anything that
 is not fully in accord with the laws of nature. There-
 fore anything that anyone says against him is false,
 and indicates that the person saying it is either
 deluded or has some malevolent intent towards this
 great saint. He's one of the world's 'good guys,' and
 anyone who speaks ill of him is a 'bad guy.'
 
 Maharishi is a con man who has systematically ripped
 off the gullible seekers who have followed him for
 decades. He promises them everything -- including
 enlightenment -- and delivers on almost nothing. And
 to protect himself he has created an autocracy that
 punishes any questioning of his authority or his
 essential 'right' to dictate to his followers what
 they should do and think with excommunication or
 worse (legal action should they violate the copy-
 rights he has taken out on common domain techniques
 and knowledge). He's a 'bad guy,' and anyone who
 tells the 'truth' about him (as defined above) is a
 'good guy.'
 
 Global warming is a serious problem that threatens
 the future of humanity and the Earth, and those who
 attempt to diminish its importance are enemies of
 humanity.
 
 Global warming is a scam perpetrated by 'scientists'
 who are in it for the money, and who are putting over
 one of the biggest frauds in history on their fellow
 human beings.
 
 Polticians of the Republican/Democratic Party (pick one)
 are 'good guys' who have the welfare of the population
 as a whole in their hearts. Anyone who says something
 negative about them is doing so because they *oppose*
 the welfare of the population as a whole. Such people
 are liars and are not to be trusted.
 
 Polticians of the Republican/Democratic Party (pick one)
 are 'bad guys' who have sold out to the interests of
 those who control them from behind the scenes. The only
 thing they care about is themselves, and putting more
 money and more power in their pockets. Anyone who says
 something negative about them is doing so because they
 *oppose* these self-interested actions, and are 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Stories

2007-05-31 Thread new . morning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 One of Byron Katie's questions is Can you absolutely know that's
true? If
 you're really honest, the answer has to be no. 

Which of course does not imply that all things have an equal dgree of
certainty. (Not that you were implying that.) 

Is there anything we can
 know with absolute certainty, other than, perhaps, I am?

Perhaps, but thats a longer post.





[FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown

2007-05-31 Thread conscientiousobjector2000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On Behalf Of vishvarupa108
 Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 11:52 AM
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown
 
  
 
 In all these years, there have been no 
 complaints from children or parents of children that Sathya Sai Baba 
 is a pedophile who molests children. Not even one single verifiable 
 grievance, complaint, record, file or anything else for that matter.
 
 That isn't true. I watched a one-hour documentary, perhaps produced 
by the
 BBC, about an American family whose son was sexually molested by Sai 
Baba
 from an early age. Andy Rymer admits to having had sexual 
interaction with
 SB. And many others. He hasn't been arrested because the Indian 
police are
 on the payroll.



***

This is a PERFECT example as to how people can be duped by the media. 
Sorry Rick but Alaya Rahm was EIGHTEEN years old in 1997 when he 
alleges he was molested around 20 times, according to him using the 
alias Sam Young in the Divine Downfall interview with Mick Brown. It 
turns out he only had SEVEN interviews alone. 

When I first starting researching these facts almost five years ago I 
was aghast to find out ALL the accusers where ADULT MALES, all except 
two are white.

Isn't it interesting that in all these years we cannot find even ONE 
child, much less ONE Indian child who is accusing Sai Baba of being 
abused? All the accusations regarding children are SECOND-HAND stories 
from Larsson, Bailey, et al..

Combine this with the KNOWN and documentable fact that NOT one person 
has EVER even TRIED to file charges with the police and it smells of 
nothing but a racist smear campaign.

Even Tony Blair is an alleged 2003 letter to Tony Colman reminded him 
that alleged victims MUST file charges with Indian police.
Now with all the money that Larsson is supposed to have, can you 
please tell me WHY he has not lifted a finger to see that any of these 
alleged victims he bellows about file charges like they are suppoed to?

Proof:
http://www.saipetition.net/letter.htm

And maybe since you seem to know Larsson so well, you can ask him 
since he, like all the other adult males accusers, is in hidig and 
will not answer questions about his contradictory accusations, WHY he 
claimed to have received a resignation letter from Hislop in 1973 when 
the documentation clearly shows Hislop left the TM movement in 1968? 
In addition to this, Larsson claims in later talks he gave in 1997 and 
1998 that he had NEVER heard of Sai Baba until 1978 when he stated he 
was saved by Sai Baba in Sri Lanka. This also contradicts his 
statements regarding the alleged 1973 Hislop letter as Larsson claimed 
MMY told Conny to tell Hislop not to follow Sai Baba in letter to 
Hislop.

We will be PERFECTLY happy to deal with FACTS rather than unproven 
accusations and generalities.













RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown

2007-05-31 Thread Rick Archer
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of conscientiousobjector2000
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 10:00 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown

 

And maybe since you seem to know Larsson so well, you can ask him 
since he, like all the other adult males accusers, is in hidig and 
will not answer questions about his contradictory accusations, WHY he 
claimed to have received a resignation letter from Hislop in 1973 when 
the documentation clearly shows Hislop left the TM movement in 1968? 

I don't claim to be an expert on Sai Baba. I forwarded your post to Conny
and will post his response. So we can understand who we're talking to, (your
email [EMAIL PROTECTED] gives us a hint) please answer the following
questions:

Do you believe that Sai Baba regularly had sexual relations with young men?

Are you sure those men were old enough to absolve Baba of legal
ramifications?

Do you feel that these relations were, in reality, some sort of
kundalini-enlivening, karma-absolving cosmic blessing, or something more
mundane?

If the young men were upset by this behavior, do you feel that they simply
failed to understand Baba's higher motives?

Do you believe that Baba's apparent manifestations have always been a
performance of siddhis, or that some slight of hand may have been involved,
at least on some occasions? If the latter, how do you explain or justify
this?



[FairfieldLife] What Tal Brooke didn't tell you

2007-05-31 Thread conscientiousobjector2000

http://babafan.tblog.com/



[FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown

2007-05-31 Thread vishvarupa108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, vishvarupa108 no_reply@ 
wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote:
  
   From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
   On Behalf Of vishvarupa108
   Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 11:52 AM
   To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
   Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown
   

   
   In all these years, there have been no 
   complaints from children or parents of children that Sathya Sai 
  Baba 
   is a pedophile who molests children. Not even one single 
verifiable 
   grievance, complaint, record, file or anything else for that 
matter.
   
   That isn't true. I watched a one-hour documentary, perhaps 
produced 
  by the
   BBC, about an American family whose son was sexually molested 
by 
  Sai Baba
   from an early age. Andy Rymer admits to having had sexual 
  interaction with
   SB. And many others. He hasn't been arrested because the Indian 
  police are
   on the payroll.
  
  
  Rick Archer, and where is your objective and verifiable proof 
that 
  the Indian police are on Sai Baba's payroll? It sounds to me like 
you 
  (like ex-devotees) cannot make a factual argument against Sai 
Baba so 
  you must resort to specious conspiracy theories. Show us the 
proof. 
  We would all like to see it.
  
  And it is obvious that you have not kept up with the Sai 
Controversy. 
  The one hour documentary you are referring to is the 'Secret 
Swami' 
  Documentary and there has been a major update regarding its 
  prime witness, Alaya Rahm.
  
  Alaya Rahm self-dismissed his own lawsuit against the Sathya Sai 
Baba 
  Society Of America after Lewis Kreydick (a witness Alaya cited in 
  court documents - who was present with him on his first trip and 
in 
  most of his interviews) came forward and refuted all of his 
claims. I 
  will not go into detail here, because it is easily available on 
the 
  internet. Also, Alaya Rahm claimed the sexual abuse started when 
he 
  was 18 and an adult. Prior to that, he claimed he received a non-
  sexual oiling when he was 16 and the scans to Kreydick's 
testimony 
  are very revealing about Alaya's demeanor. Kreydick was the 
person 
  who voluntarily took Alaya to India on his first visit:
  
  http://www.saisathyasai.com/Rahm-Public-Court-Records/
  
  http://www.saisathyasai.com/Rahm-Public-Court-
Records/critics_alaya_rahm_failed_lawsuit.html
  
  http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Ex-Baba.com/A-AlayaRahm/
 
 I hope Sai is paying you a good legal fee out of his billions to
 spread his cult's pathetic reasoning - there's no document showing 
the
 pay schedule with local law enforcement so obviously it can't be -
 there's no video of the molestations that take place within Sai's
 heavily guarded with weapons private quarters, so the dozens of
 reports by credible witnesses can't be true.  Your references to 
Sai's
 adoring website are meaningless.  Have Sai come over to the US and
 face a US court and doctors' examination records of several children
 of former US devotees.  His proven on video magic tricks won't help
 him a bit.


boo_lives, typical response. Blame others of being paid, etc. Who is 
paying you? You obviously cannot back up your claims to there being 
examination records of several children of Sai Devotees in the USA 
(which Alaya Rahm's experienced sexual-abuse Trial Lawyer failed to 
find).

When Alaya Rahm filed his publicity-stunt lawsuit in the United 
States, NO ONE came forward to defend him or support his sexual abuse 
allegations against Sai Baba. Not even one single American or Non-
American (out of ALLEGED hundreds to thousands of sexual abuse 
victims world-wide). Despite Sathya Sai Baba being worth billions of 
dollars, not even one money-hungry lawyer will touch alleged victims. 
Ever wonder why?

And do tell us where you are getting the number of dozens of sexual 
abuse victims from? On Anti-Sai websites, they list 17 people, out of 
which only 6 use (allegedly) real full names.

I rather form my conclusions on verifiable information. Not gossip, 
rumors, second-hand stories and hearsay.

I've made my choice and it is apparent you have made yours.



[FairfieldLife] Re: In TM, is the mantra empowered by MMY, or Guru Dev?

2007-05-31 Thread BillyG.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 On May 31, 2007, at 7:36 PM, BillyG. wrote:
 
  *Adhikara* is a term used to describe the 'transference' of the power
  of the 'guru' to the chela via the mantra. If there is no
  illuminative state in the consciousness of the giver, no transference
  can take placethere is NO adhi-kara. Swami G.Kriyananda
 
 
 Sorry to burst your bubble Billy, but that is not what adhikara style  
 mantra means at all.
 
 In terms of mantra diksha, there are two important types. One is by  
 puja and the other is by adhikara.
 
 TM mantras are given by puja, not by adhikara. Adhikara mantra is a  
 mantra given after the guru observes a student for whatever is needed  
 to understand what needs to be given--but it is always given based on  
 the unique propensity of the student, they are not dispensed via  
 mere puja, the inferior and more haphazard method.


Interesting comment and observation..it would seem then that an
adhikara mantra would be preferable, yes?  That would imply a personal
Guru I suppose.

By inferior I assume you mean that the puja mantra is not as
effective, yes? How about these 'Guru's' that have thousands of
disciples, isn't that about the same thing?




[FairfieldLife] TM_Discussion : To TM or not to TM -

2007-05-31 Thread Rick Archer
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TM_Discussion/ 



[FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown

2007-05-31 Thread conscientiousobjector2000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On Behalf Of conscientiousobjector2000
 Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 10:00 PM
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown
 
  
 
 And maybe since you seem to know Larsson so well, you can ask him 
 since he, like all the other adult males accusers, is in hidig and 
 will not answer questions about his contradictory accusations, WHY 
he 
 claimed to have received a resignation letter from Hislop in 1973 
when 
 the documentation clearly shows Hislop left the TM movement in 1968? 
 
 I don't claim to be an expert on Sai Baba. I forwarded your post to 
Conny
 and will post his response. So we can understand who we're talking 
to, (your
 email [EMAIL PROTECTED] gives us a hint) please answer the following
 questions:
 
 Do you believe that Sai Baba regularly had sexual relations with 
young men?
 
 Are you sure those men were old enough to absolve Baba of legal
 ramifications?
 
 Do you feel that these relations were, in reality, some sort of
 kundalini-enlivening, karma-absolving cosmic blessing, or something 
more
 mundane?
 
 If the young men were upset by this behavior, do you feel that they 
simply
 failed to understand Baba's higher motives?
 
 Do you believe that Baba's apparent manifestations have always been a
 performance of siddhis, or that some slight of hand may have been 
involved,
 at least on some occasions? If the latter, how do you explain or 
justify
 this?


***

I think my post was very self-explanatory regarding what I thnk about 
the accusations.

I have researched EACH and EVERY accusation (for almost FIVE YEARS) 
and NOT one of them stands up to scrutiny. NOT one.

I know without any doubt that Sai Baba is 
a God-realized person. I have direct expereince and I have tested him 
myself. Since miracles are not considered a criminal offense, they do 
not have to be proven in a court of law. Criminal accusations sucha s 
FRAUD and sexual abuse DO.

Now, since you want to make criminal accuasations, I am asking you to 
follow the law like every other individual must do and get your 
alleged vitims to file charges. I have researched myself and cannot 
find one shred of evidence which backs up the claims. Many anti-
semites claim all Jews are bad. Doesn't make it true does it? What it 
means is there are a lot of misguided people and yes even liars in the 
world.







[FairfieldLife] Conny Larsson's Changing Stories About Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

2007-05-31 Thread vishvarupa108

Conny Larsson's Changing Stories About Maharishi Mahesh Yogi: Page
Updated:

http://www.saisathyasai.com/Conny_Larsson/new-guru-shankaracharya-swami-\
brahmananda-saraswati.html
http://www.saisathyasai.com/Conny_Larsson/new-guru-shankaracharya-swami\
-brahmananda-saraswati.html



[FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown

2007-05-31 Thread geezerfreak
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, vishvarupa108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote:
 
  From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  On Behalf Of vishvarupa108
  Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 11:52 AM
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown
  
   
  
  In all these years, there have been no 
  complaints from children or parents of children that Sathya Sai 
 Baba 
  is a pedophile who molests children. Not even one single verifiable 
  grievance, complaint, record, file or anything else for that matter.
  
  That isn't true. I watched a one-hour documentary, perhaps produced 
 by the
  BBC, about an American family whose son was sexually molested by 
 Sai Baba
  from an early age. Andy Rymer admits to having had sexual 
 interaction with
  SB. And many others. He hasn't been arrested because the Indian 
 police are
  on the payroll.
 
 
 Rick Archer, and where is your objective and verifiable proof that 
 the Indian police are on Sai Baba's payroll? It sounds to me like you 
 (like ex-devotees) cannot make a factual argument against Sai Baba so 
 you must resort to specious conspiracy theories. Show us the proof. 
 We would all like to see it.
 
 And it is obvious that you have not kept up with the Sai Controversy. 
 The one hour documentary you are referring to is the 'Secret Swami' 
 Documentary and there has been a major update regarding its 
 prime witness, Alaya Rahm.
 
 Alaya Rahm self-dismissed his own lawsuit against the Sathya Sai Baba 
 Society Of America after Lewis Kreydick (a witness Alaya cited in 
 court documents - who was present with him on his first trip and in 
 most of his interviews) came forward and refuted all of his claims. I 
 will not go into detail here, because it is easily available on the 
 internet. Also, Alaya Rahm claimed the sexual abuse started when he 
 was 18 and an adult. Prior to that, he claimed he received a non-
 sexual oiling when he was 16 and the scans to Kreydick's testimony 
 are very revealing about Alaya's demeanor. Kreydick was the person 
 who voluntarily took Alaya to India on his first visit:
 
 http://www.saisathyasai.com/Rahm-Public-Court-Records/
 
 http://www.saisathyasai.com/Rahm-Public-Court-
 Records/critics_alaya_rahm_failed_lawsuit.html
 
 http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Ex-Baba.com/A-AlayaRahm/


Vishi, it's like this. You will never accept the truth about your
beloved guru, anymore than disciples of MMY can accept that he had
multiple sex partners in the late 60's and early 70s.

Both groups could be presented with photos, films and
comfessionsand it still would not be enough.

Devotion is blind. I know. I've been there.




[FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown

2007-05-31 Thread geezerfreak
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, conscientiousobjector2000
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote:
 
  From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  On Behalf Of conscientiousobjector2000
  Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 10:00 PM
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown
  
   
  
  And maybe since you seem to know Larsson so well, you can ask him 
  since he, like all the other adult males accusers, is in hidig and 
  will not answer questions about his contradictory accusations, WHY 
 he 
  claimed to have received a resignation letter from Hislop in 1973 
 when 
  the documentation clearly shows Hislop left the TM movement in 1968? 
  
  I don't claim to be an expert on Sai Baba. I forwarded your post to 
 Conny
  and will post his response. So we can understand who we're talking 
 to, (your
  email babafan@ gives us a hint) please answer the following
  questions:
  
  Do you believe that Sai Baba regularly had sexual relations with 
 young men?
  
  Are you sure those men were old enough to absolve Baba of legal
  ramifications?
  
  Do you feel that these relations were, in reality, some sort of
  kundalini-enlivening, karma-absolving cosmic blessing, or something 
 more
  mundane?
  
  If the young men were upset by this behavior, do you feel that they 
 simply
  failed to understand Baba's higher motives?
  
  Do you believe that Baba's apparent manifestations have always been a
  performance of siddhis, or that some slight of hand may have been 
 involved,
  at least on some occasions? If the latter, how do you explain or 
 justify
  this?
 
 
 ***
 
 I think my post was very self-explanatory regarding what I thnk about 
 the accusations.
 
 I have researched EACH and EVERY accusation (for almost FIVE YEARS) 
 and NOT one of them stands up to scrutiny. NOT one.
 
 I know without any doubt that Sai Baba is 
 a God-realized person. I have direct expereince and I have tested him 
 myself. Since miracles are not considered a criminal offense, they do 
 not have to be proven in a court of law. Criminal accusations sucha s 
 FRAUD and sexual abuse DO.
 
 Now, since you want to make criminal accuasations, I am asking you to 
 follow the law like every other individual must do and get your 
 alleged vitims to file charges. I have researched myself and cannot 
 find one shred of evidence which backs up the claims. Many anti-
 semites claim all Jews are bad. Doesn't make it true does it? What it 
 means is there are a lot of misguided people and yes even liars in the 
 world.

Hey Babafan: Rick asked you some very straightforward questions.
Your responses to same were utterly lame.



[FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown

2007-05-31 Thread conscientiousobjector2000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, conscientiousobjector2000
 babafan@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote:
  
   From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
   On Behalf Of conscientiousobjector2000
   Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 10:00 PM
   To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
   Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown
   

   
   And maybe since you seem to know Larsson so well, you can ask 
him 
   since he, like all the other adult males accusers, is in hidig 
and 
   will not answer questions about his contradictory accusations, 
WHY 
  he 
   claimed to have received a resignation letter from Hislop in 
1973 
  when 
   the documentation clearly shows Hislop left the TM movement in 
1968? 
   
   I don't claim to be an expert on Sai Baba. I forwarded your post 
to 
  Conny
   and will post his response. So we can understand who we're 
talking 
  to, (your
   email babafan@ gives us a hint) please answer the following
   questions:
   
   Do you believe that Sai Baba regularly had sexual relations with 
  young men?
   
   Are you sure those men were old enough to absolve Baba of legal
   ramifications?
   
   Do you feel that these relations were, in reality, some sort of
   kundalini-enlivening, karma-absolving cosmic blessing, or 
something 
  more
   mundane?
   
   If the young men were upset by this behavior, do you feel that 
they 
  simply
   failed to understand Baba's higher motives?
   
   Do you believe that Baba's apparent manifestations have always 
been a
   performance of siddhis, or that some slight of hand may have 
been 
  involved,
   at least on some occasions? If the latter, how do you explain or 
  justify
   this?
  
  
  ***
  
  I think my post was very self-explanatory regarding what I thnk 
about 
  the accusations.
  
  I have researched EACH and EVERY accusation (for almost FIVE 
YEARS) 
  and NOT one of them stands up to scrutiny. NOT one.
  
  I know without any doubt that Sai Baba is 
  a God-realized person. I have direct expereince and I have tested 
him 
  myself. Since miracles are not considered a criminal offense, they 
do 
  not have to be proven in a court of law. Criminal accusations 
sucha s 
  FRAUD and sexual abuse DO.
  
  Now, since you want to make criminal accuasations, I am asking you 
to 
  follow the law like every other individual must do and get your 
  alleged vitims to file charges. I have researched myself and 
cannot 
  find one shred of evidence which backs up the claims. Many anti-
  semites claim all Jews are bad. Doesn't make it true does it? What 
it 
  means is there are a lot of misguided people and yes even liars in 
the 
  world.
 
 Hey Babafan: Rick asked you some very straightforward questions.
 Your responses to same were utterly lame.



***

geezerfreak, you seem to have great difficulty understanding plain 
english. Is english not your first language or what?

Oh, I forgot to mention, there are also a LOT of DUMB peoplein t e 
world. Convince me you are not one of them by following CONSTITUTIONAL 
law instead of rambling like a hysterical nutjob who lost his binky.





[FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown

2007-05-31 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You will never accept the truth about your
 beloved guru, anymore than disciples of MMY can accept that he had
 multiple sex partners in the late 60's and early 70s.
 
There's room for some middle ground here. According to the Merriam-
Webster dictionary, a Disciple is one who accepts and assists in 
spreading the doctrines of another. Could I then consider myself a 
disciple of Maharishi's? According to this definition, sure-- though 
my assisting in spreading his doctrine is on the relaxed side of 
casual. Do I accept that he had multiple sex partners in the late 
60's and 70's. Sure, if he did. Do I even think about this once in 
an entire year? No. 

The thing about Maharishi is he just has a vibe I particularly like. 
His radiance has a comfortable feel to me. End of story. Good vibe. 
And not good in a moral sense, but good almost in an artistic sense 
or a natural sense. Like the picture of the magnolia blossom I took 
yesterday morning. Can't really explain it. Same with Guru Dev. They 
both just have good vibes. I'm not one to get all intellectual about 
it. Just one of those things. So that's it. :-)



[FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown

2007-05-31 Thread conscientiousobjector2000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On Behalf Of conscientiousobjector2000
 Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 12:19 AM
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown
 
  
 
  Hey Babafan: Rick asked you some very straightforward questions.
  Your responses to same were utterly lame.
 
 
 ***
 
 geezerfreak, you seem to have great difficulty understanding plain 
 english. Is english not your first language or what?
 
 Oh, I forgot to mention, there are also a LOT of DUMB peoplein t e 
 world. Convince me you are not one of them by following 
CONSTITUTIONAL 
 law instead of rambling like a hysterical nutjob who lost his binky.
 
 Insulting him doesn't get you off the hook. How about answering my
 questions?


**

Funny that you say NOTHING when he continuously insults others (and 
FIRST at that), Rick.


I answered the questions. I can't help it if you are too illiterate to 
get it.


This is EXACTLY why you bozos should quit trying to play law 
enforcement and sticK to your mantras or whatever it is you do do well.



Get it through your head:

NO Indian children or parents have filed complaints about being 
molested with police.  This means the ADULT WHITE MALES making 
complaints are LIARS. NOW, do I need to draw you a map?

Second-hand stories are NOT EVIDENCE. Do you think prople should be 
able to tell second-hand tales about YOUR sexual escapades and we 
should all believe them? Now grow up and get real.
The government of India has PUBLICLY stated that the accusations are 
concocted and malicious and there IS enough DOCUMENTATION to prove 
that in court. Now deal with it.

And quit acting like a bunch of fascists who feel laws don't apply to 
them.






RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown

2007-05-31 Thread Rick Archer
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of conscientiousobjector2000
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 12:19 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown

 

 Hey Babafan: Rick asked you some very straightforward questions.
 Your responses to same were utterly lame.


***

geezerfreak, you seem to have great difficulty understanding plain 
english. Is english not your first language or what?

Oh, I forgot to mention, there are also a LOT of DUMB peoplein t e 
world. Convince me you are not one of them by following CONSTITUTIONAL 
law instead of rambling like a hysterical nutjob who lost his binky.

Insulting him doesn't get you off the hook. How about answering my
questions? 



[FairfieldLife] Re: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda

2007-05-31 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ 
 wrote:
 
  I'm curious to know what ordinary mortals 
  feel in these SV buildings. Anybody have 
  anything to report?
 
 
 
 I have spent very little time in SV bldgs, but I have felt a clear 
 uplifting quality on entering these bldgs. I had the same sensation 
 when I entered the old SRM (Charlie Lutes organization in TM-ville) 
 bldg in W. Los Angeles, where thousands of initations had been 
 performed: a feeling of being lighter, a feeling of bliss and 
 greater self-awareness. 

That was because Fleetwood Mac used to record
in the studios downstairs. You can get the same
uplifting hit by going to the beauty parlor
on San Vicente where Stevie Nicks used to get
her nails done. It's become somewhat of a 
place of pilgrimage, with thousands of seekers
per month coming to lay flowers at the base of
the revolving chair where she sat and had the
holy work done. I hear they sell her fingernail
clippings as holy icons.

:-)





[FairfieldLife] Re: Ann Coulter on illegal immigrants

2007-05-31 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Peter:
 Jesus Christ! Here we go again. 
 
 Judy:
 F**k off, Peter. If somebody grossly misrepresented what you had said 
 and then called you a liar for saying it, I don't imagine you'd let 
it 
 go by.
 
 She, they, just don't get it.  It's an addiction, clothed in
 moral indignance that their integrity has been violated, and
 that it must be restored. God Save the Queen.  What they don't 
 realize, and likely, will never realize is that NO ONE CARES.

Another thought here: How can you possibly not
care that there are several people on this forum
who *routinely and deliberately* tell falsehoods?

This makes no sense to me. If you don't care about
dishonesty, what *can* you care about? Dishonesty
underlies so many of the evils of this world. How
can you just *ignore* it when it's right under your
nose?

Why didn't a dozen people jump on Shemp when he
claimed Al Gore's father was a segregationist? How
can you not care about an honorable public
servant, no longer around to defend himself, being
slandered in public with the aim of denigrating his
son, the leader in the fight against global warming?

If Al Gore Sr. were still alive and happened to be
a participant here, if he spoke up to defend himself,
apparently you'd be happy to dump on him as you do
me.

We have Bush in office today, rather than Gore,
because of rampant dishonesty; we're losing our
young men and women in Iraq, and killing hundreds
of thousands of innocent Iraqis, because of rampant
dishonesty, because that dishonesty was *tolerated*,
because too many people didn't care about it.

How can you not be against dishonesty wherever you
find it?

I truly don't understand that kind of thinking.
Resistance to dishonesty should be a *reflex*, an
instinct. It *should* be an addiction.




[FairfieldLife] What can feel insulted? Only the self. (was Re: Ann Coulter)

2007-05-31 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Peter:
 Jesus Christ! Here we go again. 
 
 Judy:
 F**k off, Peter. If somebody grossly misrepresented what you 
 had said and then called you a liar for saying it, I don't 
 imagine you'd let it go by.
 
 She, they, just don't get it.  It's an addiction, clothed in 
 moral indignance that their integrity has been violated, and 
 that it must be restored. God Save the Queen.  What they don't 
 realize, and likely, will never realize is that NO ONE CARES. 
 This, matters not a lick.  With the utmost seriousness they 
 cite the evidence which will win the case. (in their minds)

I don't want to (and won't) get into the specifics
of this kind of post and who does it, and why. What
fascinates me about it, spiritually, is that almost
by definition an angry or outraged reaction to some-
one else's post is the activity of a small s self
protecting itself, and in the process pushing Self
away.

The more one protects the notions that self has
of itself, the way it views itself, the more that
small s self is strengthened. Every time the small
s self reacts, has its button pushed, and says,
No, that's not right. That's not the way I see
myself, and therefore it's not true, the more 
that the I in the equation is strengthened and
becomes convinced that it exists.

Conversely, we see other posters here who are able
to say, Hey...that's definitely not the way that
I normally see my actions, but it's a valid way of
seeing my actions, because another human being, on
a par with myself *because* they're another human
being, saw it that way. Maybe *both* ways of seeing
the situation are true on some level, even though
*none* of them describe the situation as a whole. 

The ability to do this seems to me to be related to 
two traits. The first is having a certain fluidity
of self (which in turn seems to be based on having
a certain familiarity with Self, and knowing the 
difference between the two). The second is having 
the ability to perceive their fellow posters as 
*equals*, and not feel superior to them. IMO, the
posters here who are able to rise above having to
react angrily when someone portrays them in a diff-
erent way than they see themselves can do so because
they have a basic level of respect for the other
posters, and consider them their equals. We're all
just seekers here, and all that. In general, those
who become indignant do so because they've been
insulted by someone they consider lesser than
themselves.

Easy solution, in both cases -- laugh more. Laugh
at the jibes and insults, when they really are
jibes and insults. Laugh at those who feel compelled
to post the jibes and insults consistently, and thus
reveal so much about themselves. And most of all,
laugh at one's self, that tiny little imaginary
thing that, for a moment, feels insulted because
someone doesn't take it seriously. Because the more 
you laugh at the little sucker and *don't* take it
seriously, the less hold it has over you. Laugh at 
the self long enough and it'll go away, leaving 
only Self.





[FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown

2007-05-31 Thread vishvarupa108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams
 willytex@ wrote:
 
  Conny Larsson: God's Little Clown
   
  Guru of Vedic Mantras
  Meditation and Yoga Teacher
  Lecturer on Spirituality
  Psychic Healer
  Trans-medium
  
  http://tinyurl.com/ytdxf8
 
 Tex,
 
 Is this site about Conny supposed to be convincing of something? I
 hope not because it just reads like the rantings of a disciple of 
Sai
 Baba who is crazed because Conny dared to speak about his own 
personal
 experience with SB. When anyone questions the cult leaders behavior,
 cult followers nearly always react this way.
 
 They must shoot the messenger bringing them the bad news.
 
 Sound like anyone you know?


And whenever anyone questions Anti-Cultist's behavior, Anti-Cultist 
sympathizers nearly always react by dismissing their fellow Anti-
Cultist's behavior, all the while whining and sniveling 
about 'inappropriate behavior' from others.

The fact of the matter is that Conny Larsson has fully associated 
himself (for years) with the Indian Guru, Shankaracharya Swami 
Brahmananda Saraswati (Maharishi's Guru), even as recently as 2005. 
Conny Larsson now claims that he is a psychic medium, a psychic 
healer, charges money for private aura/chakra healings, lectures on 
Yoga and Spirituality, initiates others with Vedic Mantras, 
teaches 'Master Classes', uses crystal pedulums to diagnose illnesses 
in others, sings bhajans, teaching meditation classes, opened his own 
meditation/healing center in Cyprus and solicits himself as a mantra 
yoga meditation teacher (i.e., guru).

All these 'behaviors' are very cultish. Anyone disagree?

And the website in question (which exposes Conny Larsson) was not 
written by a Sai Baba disciple. Amusing how geezerfreak argues 
against others shooting-the-messenger, but then engages 
in shooting the messenger when it comes to protecting views he/she 
favors.

Geezerfreak, try putting down your bb-gun before shooting-the-
messenger without conducting remedial research:
http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Ex-Baba.com/faq.html



[FairfieldLife] Waiting for the bankruptcy of Benefon, Inc..., part 1

2007-05-31 Thread cardemaister

Bhoja's comment on YS III 42:

kaayaH paañcabhautikaM shariiraM tathaakaashenaavakaashadaayakena
yaH saMbandhastatra saMyamaM vidhaaya laghuni tulaadau(?)
samaapattiM tanmayiibhaavalakSaNaaM ca vidhaaya praaptaatilaghubhaavo
yogii prathamaM yathaaruci jale saMcarankramenorNanaabhatantujaalena
saMcaramaaNa aadityarashmibhishca viharanyatheSTamaakaashena gacchati|

We'll try to translate the easier parts:

The body (kaayaH) [is], well, a body (shariiram) consisting
of the five elements (paañca-bhautikam: vRddhi-derivative
from pañca bhuutaani?).

www.benefon.com



[FairfieldLife] Stories

2007-05-31 Thread TurquoiseB
Maharishi is one of the greatest spiritual teachers
the world has ever known. He is a living saint, fully
enlightened, and thus incapable of doing anything that
is not fully in accord with the laws of nature. There-
fore anything that anyone says against him is false,
and indicates that the person saying it is either
deluded or has some malevolent intent towards this
great saint. He's one of the world's 'good guys,' and
anyone who speaks ill of him is a 'bad guy.'

Maharishi is a con man who has systematically ripped
off the gullible seekers who have followed him for
decades. He promises them everything -- including
enlightenment -- and delivers on almost nothing. And
to protect himself he has created an autocracy that
punishes any questioning of his authority or his 
essential 'right' to dictate to his followers what
they should do and think with excommunication or
worse (legal action should they violate the copy-
rights he has taken out on common domain techniques
and knowledge). He's a 'bad guy,' and anyone who
tells the 'truth' about him (as defined above) is a 
'good guy.'

Global warming is a serious problem that threatens
the future of humanity and the Earth, and those who
attempt to diminish its importance are enemies of
humanity.

Global warming is a scam perpetrated by 'scientists'
who are in it for the money, and who are putting over
one of the biggest frauds in history on their fellow
human beings.

Polticians of the Republican/Democratic Party (pick one)
are 'good guys' who have the welfare of the population 
as a whole in their hearts. Anyone who says something 
negative about them is doing so because they *oppose*
the welfare of the population as a whole. Such people
are liars and are not to be trusted.

Polticians of the Republican/Democratic Party (pick one)
are 'bad guys' who have sold out to the interests of 
those who control them from behind the scenes. The only
thing they care about is themselves, and putting more 
money and more power in their pockets. Anyone who says 
something negative about them is doing so because they 
*oppose* these self-interested actions, and are acting
from a sense of heroism, 'protecting' the welfare of the 
population as a whole. Such people are heroes and are 
to be trusted implicitly because they *are* heroes.

I am 'right' because because the sources I have quoted 
to support my position are 'better' than yours.

You are 'wrong' because because the sources you have 
quoted to support your position are 'lesser' than mine.

My view of who I am and what I do and why I do it is
'correct' and yours is 'incorrect,' because I say so.
No one could *possibly* believe the things you're saying
about me, so the fact that you're saying them means that
you are intentionally 'lying' about me.

Your view of who you am and what you do and why you do 
it is 'incorrect' and mine is 'correct,' because I say so.
I *do* believe the things I'm saying about you, and you
just can't handle the possibility that they're true.


What do all these stories have in common? First, obviously,
they're all Just Stories. NONE of them are 'true' or 
'truth' -- they're just stories that we tell ourselves
and others.

The other thing that all of these stories have in common
is that they are all OPINION. No matter how many 'facts'
or 'sources' one trots out to support them, opinions they
are and opinions they remain. There is NOTHING you can
do to make them more than opinion.

Can't we all just get along? Can't we have opinions of
our own without believing that the opinions of others
are lesser or wrong and that the others who hold
these opinions are lesser than we are or less right
than we are?

What if we lived in a universe in which ALL of the stories 
we tell to ourselves and to others are true, and just 
*seem* to be contradictory? What if the universe supported 
ALL of these seeming contradictions, without missing a 
step, and found a way to reconcile ALL of them? 

It seems to me that we DO live in such a universe. If
it can reconcile all these seemingly contradictory 
stories, why can't we?





[FairfieldLife] Re: Stories

2007-05-31 Thread Jason Spock
 
   
   The ability to appreciate several points of Views simultaneously is a 
very powerful Taoist technique that will enable you to see the larger picture 
and see how it all fits in.
   
   I'm curious to know TomTraynor's opinion on this.??
  
TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 08:49:41 -
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Stories

   
  Maharishi is one of the greatest spiritual teachers
the world has ever known. He is a living saint, fully
enlightened, and thus incapable of doing anything that
is not fully in accord with the laws of nature. There-
fore anything that anyone says against him is false,
and indicates that the person saying it is either
deluded or has some malevolent intent towards this
great saint. He's one of the world's 'good guys,' and
anyone who speaks ill of him is a 'bad guy.'

Maharishi is a con man who has systematically ripped
off the gullible seekers who have followed him for
decades. He promises them everything -- including
enlightenment -- and delivers on almost nothing. And
to protect himself he has created an autocracy that
punishes any questioning of his authority or his 
essential 'right' to dictate to his followers what
they should do and think with excommunication or
worse (legal action should they violate the copy-
rights he has taken out on common domain techniques
and knowledge). He's a 'bad guy,' and anyone who
tells the 'truth' about him (as defined above) is a 
'good guy.'

Global warming is a serious problem that threatens
the future of humanity and the Earth, and those who
attempt to diminish its importance are enemies of
humanity.

Global warming is a scam perpetrated by 'scientists'
who are in it for the money, and who are putting over
one of the biggest frauds in history on their fellow
human beings.

Polticians of the Republican/Democrat ic Party (pick one)
are 'good guys' who have the welfare of the population 
as a whole in their hearts. Anyone who says something 
negative about them is doing so because they *oppose*
the welfare of the population as a whole. Such people
are liars and are not to be trusted.

Polticians of the Republican/Democrat ic Party (pick one)
are 'bad guys' who have sold out to the interests of 
those who control them from behind the scenes. The only
thing they care about is themselves, and putting more 
money and more power in their pockets. Anyone who says 
something negative about them is doing so because they 
*oppose* these self-interested actions, and are acting
from a sense of heroism, 'protecting' the welfare of the 
population as a whole. Such people are heroes and are 
to be trusted implicitly because they *are* heroes.

I am 'right' because because the sources I have quoted 
to support my position are 'better' than yours.

You are 'wrong' because because the sources you have 
quoted to support your position are 'lesser' than mine.

My view of who I am and what I do and why I do it is
'correct' and yours is 'incorrect,' because I say so.
No one could *possibly* believe the things you're saying
about me, so the fact that you're saying them means that
you are intentionally 'lying' about me.

Your view of who you am and what you do and why you do 
it is 'incorrect' and mine is 'correct,' because I say so.
I *do* believe the things I'm saying about you, and you
just can't handle the possibility that they're true.

What do all these stories have in common? First, obviously,
they're all Just Stories. NONE of them are 'true' or 
'truth' -- they're just stories that we tell ourselves
and others.

The other thing that all of these stories have in common
is that they are all OPINION. No matter how many 'facts'
or 'sources' one trots out to support them, opinions they
are and opinions they remain. There is NOTHING you can
do to make them more than opinion.

Can't we all just get along? Can't we have opinions of
our own without believing that the opinions of others
are lesser or wrong and that the others who hold
these opinions are lesser than we are or less right
than we are?

What if we lived in a universe in which ALL of the stories 
we tell to ourselves and to others are true, and just 
*seem* to be contradictory? What if the universe supported 
ALL of these seeming contradictions, without missing a 
step, and found a way to reconcile ALL of them? 

It seems to me that we DO live in such a universe. If
it can reconcile all these seemingly contradictory 
stories, why can't we?
   
   

  
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Stories

2007-05-31 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The ability to appreciate several points of Views 
 simultaneously is a very powerful Taoist technique 
 that will enable you to see the larger picture and 
 see how it all fits in.

Cosmic concept juggling.  :-)
   
 I'm curious to know TomTraynor's opinion on this.??

So am I. And Rory's, and Rick's, and Curtis',
and Marek's, and others who have a track record 
here of being able to juggle seemingly contra-
dictory concepts. 

Some characterize this juggling of opposites as
a Bad Thing. They call it moral relativism if
they're being polite and like talking in Big
Words. They call it lying or intellectual
dishonesty or being deluded if they're feel-
ing less polite that day.

But it seems to me that the belief that one's
fixed, strongly defined morals are right and 
justified and that the more fluid morals of
others are NOT as right and NOT as justified
is equivalent to believing that the universe 
has a hierarchy of right and wrong,
better and worse. And, because they KNOW
the difference between right and wrong,
better and worse, THEY exists on a higher
level of that cosmic hierarchy.

That's an interesting belief system, and there
seem to be a great number of people on this
planet who have bought into it. Me, I'm more
Tantric, and don't necessarily believe that the
universe I see around me is structured in levels
of Dead Wrong, Wrong, Right, and Most Right. I
also don't see much evidence that it's structured
in levels of Really Bad, Bad, Good, and Most Good.
I see a kind of wonderful hodgepodge of percep-
tions and opinions held by people who all see the
world differently, and are fully justified in
seeing it differently, because it really IS
different for each of them.

One person could see a cemetary and think about 
death and ghosts and feel aversion or even fear. 
Another person, more Tantric in their approach to
life, could see see the same cemetary and think, 
Wow...what a cool place to meditate, because to 
them it would mean meditating in an environment 
that provides a reminder of the transitory nature 
of life.

Which one of these persons is right? Which is
better than the other?

I don't know. But there seem to be folks here
who do. They seem to have NO PROBLEM stating
who is right on this forum and who is wrong.
They have NO PROBLEM stating whose position 
on a matter of pure opinion is better and which
is worse.

I don't know about you, but I never received the
User's Manual that lists these Right/Wrong
Better/Worse pairs in some kind of easy-to-read
chart. When I look at the activities or at the
beliefs that some claim with the voice of Auth-
ority and Righteous Indignation ARE on one and
only one side of the chart, I see them all as
pretty much equivalent. 

I'm willing to allow karma to work out the details
of which activities are more life-supporting than
others. I DON'T KNOW.

Others here seem to know. Perhaps that means that
they live on a higher level of the cosmic hierarchy
than I do. 

Then again, maybe they just think they do...


 TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 08:49:41 -
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Stories
 
 Maharishi is one of the greatest spiritual teachers
 the world has ever known. He is a living saint, fully
 enlightened, and thus incapable of doing anything that
 is not fully in accord with the laws of nature. There-
 fore anything that anyone says against him is false,
 and indicates that the person saying it is either
 deluded or has some malevolent intent towards this
 great saint. He's one of the world's 'good guys,' and
 anyone who speaks ill of him is a 'bad guy.'
 
 Maharishi is a con man who has systematically ripped
 off the gullible seekers who have followed him for
 decades. He promises them everything -- including
 enlightenment -- and delivers on almost nothing. And
 to protect himself he has created an autocracy that
 punishes any questioning of his authority or his 
 essential 'right' to dictate to his followers what
 they should do and think with excommunication or
 worse (legal action should they violate the copy-
 rights he has taken out on common domain techniques
 and knowledge). He's a 'bad guy,' and anyone who
 tells the 'truth' about him (as defined above) is a 
 'good guy.'
 
 Global warming is a serious problem that threatens
 the future of humanity and the Earth, and those who
 attempt to diminish its importance are enemies of
 humanity.
 
 Global warming is a scam perpetrated by 'scientists'
 who are in it for the money, and who are putting over
 one of the biggest frauds in history on their fellow
 human beings.
 
 Polticians of the Republican/Democrat ic Party (pick one)
 are 'good guys' who have the welfare of the population 
 as a whole in their hearts. Anyone who says something 
 negative about them is doing so because they *oppose*
 the welfare of the population as a whole. Such people
 are liars and are not to be trusted.
 
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda

2007-05-31 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ 
 wrote:
 
  I'm curious to know what ordinary mortals 
  feel in these SV buildings. Anybody have 
  anything to report?
  
  
 
 
 
 
 I have spent very little time in SV bldgs, but I have felt a clear 
 uplifting quality on entering these bldgs. I had the same sensation 
 when I entered the old SRM (Charlie Lutes organization in TM-ville) 
 bldg in W. Los Angeles, where thousands of initations had been 
 performed: a feeling of being lighter, a feeling of bliss and 
greater 
 self-awareness. The SRM bldg was not SV-compliant (it had north and 
 west entrances, but at least it did not have a south entrance), but 
 the experience was clear and persistent through many visits, and I 
am 
 not given to bliss-ninny mood-making -- I have had the same 
 experience on entering the SV bldgs in Fairfield, so I would 
 definitely spring for a compliant house, and plan to do so as soon 
as 
 I pay off the repair and upgrades on my aircraft.

One fellow I know in Australia lived in a very non-SV building and 
descided to just make a small correction to the entrance so at least 
that would face north. Within three weeks he met the woman in his 
life, after 4 months he won a huge sum in the lottery. More 
importantly he claims his meditations are more quiet, Sidhis more 
clear than before and his general support of nature more pronounced. 
The cost of the adjustment was 3000$




[FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown

2007-05-31 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams
 willytex@ wrote:
 
  Conny Larsson: God's Little Clown
   
  Guru of Vedic Mantras
  Meditation and Yoga Teacher
  Lecturer on Spirituality
  Psychic Healer
  Trans-medium
  
  http://tinyurl.com/ytdxf8
 
Looks like Connie would need some Deep Meditation...




[FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown

2007-05-31 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, vishvarupa108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams
  willytex@ wrote:
  
   Conny Larsson: God's Little Clown

   Guru of Vedic Mantras
   Meditation and Yoga Teacher
   Lecturer on Spirituality
   Psychic Healer
   Trans-medium
   
   http://tinyurl.com/ytdxf8
  
  Tex,
  
  Is this site about Conny supposed to be convincing of something? I
  hope not because it just reads like the rantings of a disciple of 
 Sai
  Baba who is crazed because Conny dared to speak about his own 
 personal
  experience with SB. When anyone questions the cult leaders 
behavior,
  cult followers nearly always react this way.
  
  They must shoot the messenger bringing them the bad news.
  
  Sound like anyone you know?
 
 
 And whenever anyone questions Anti-Cultist's behavior, Anti-Cultist 
 sympathizers nearly always react by dismissing their fellow Anti-
 Cultist's behavior, all the while whining and sniveling 
 about 'inappropriate behavior' from others.
 
 The fact of the matter is that Conny Larsson has fully associated 
 himself (for years) with the Indian Guru, Shankaracharya Swami 
 Brahmananda Saraswati (Maharishi's Guru), even as recently as 2005. 
 Conny Larsson now claims that he is a psychic medium, a psychic 
 healer, charges money for private aura/chakra healings, lectures on 
 Yoga and Spirituality, initiates others with Vedic Mantras, 
 teaches 'Master Classes', uses crystal pedulums to diagnose 
illnesses 
 in others, sings bhajans, teaching meditation classes, opened his 
own 
 meditation/healing center in Cyprus and solicits himself as a 
mantra 
 yoga meditation teacher (i.e., guru).
 
 All these 'behaviors' are very cultish. Anyone disagree?
 
 And the website in question (which exposes Conny Larsson) was not 
 written by a Sai Baba disciple. Amusing how geezerfreak argues 
 against others shooting-the-messenger, but then engages 
 in shooting the messenger when it comes to protecting views 
he/she 
 favors.
 
 Geezerfreak, try putting down your bb-gun before shooting-the-
 messenger without conducting remedial research:
 http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Ex-Baba.com/faq.html

Nice. Thanks for posting this. About time someone shoots back at 
false accusators and rumourmakers like Conny Larson and others.




[FairfieldLife] Spiritual bookstores as a metaphor for spiritual forums

2007-05-31 Thread TurquoiseB
We live in a world in which many of the conflicts
around us are based (IMO) on ideas, and on *how*
those ideas are communicated to others. Some on
this planet clearly feel that their ideas are so
right that they have the duty to convince 
others of their rightness. Think religious 
fanatics who actively attempt to convert others 
to their beliefs. Think those who believe that
their particular beliefs or form of meditation
or prayer or worship should be mandated, made 
into a law, and imposed on everyone for their 
own good. Think even those who seem compelled 
to react to any idea that is in conflict with 
their own ideas as an attack, or an excuse for 
an argument in which they can prove the super-
iority of their ideas.

Does that seem *respectful* to you? Does that
seem like the most effective manner in which one
can present one's spiritual ideas to others?

It doesn't to me. There is a metaphor that, for
me, presents a somewhat cooler way of presenting 
one's ideas to others -- just *present* them and 
then see whether anyone has an interest in them. 
If so, and the other person asks to hear more, 
explain more. If not, cool. The ideas have been 
presented, made available. 

A teacher I used to work with never used the 
hard sell in his public talks. He never sug-
gested in those talks that he or his ideas were 
better than any other teacher or any other 
teachers' ideas. He just presented his take 
on things, explained it as best he could, and 
then said, Good night. Thank you for coming. 
There was never even anything said about studying 
with him further. There was not even anything 
said about whether that possibility existed, or 
how someone who'd attended the public talk would
go about it if they *wanted* to study with him
further. And yet a great number of people did
just that.

Now in this case the teacher changed his approach
later in his life, and started making claims about
being better than others. But I think he was onto
something during this earlier period of his teaching.
When asked about his approach at that time, he used 
the metaphor of spiritual bookstores.

You walk into one and you're surrounded by ideas.
They're in each of the books around you, presented
as best they could be by the holders of those ideas. 
You pick up a book, browse through it, and you're 
exposed to the writer's ideas. And you either
resonate with those ideas or you don't.

If you don't, plop! there goes the book back on the
shelf. If you do, you might buy it and take it home
and read it. The fact that you read it doesn't
mean that you'll believe all the ideas in the book
and sign up as an ardent supporter of those ideas
because you read the book. All it means is that you
were open enough to expose yourself to the ideas.

And, from the other side, the writer is not really
*pushing* those ideas on you, is he? He's just
making them available, putting them up on a shelf
where they might catch the eye of some seeker who
might appreciate them. 

I always liked this metaphor. When it came time for
me to teach classes again in meditation, long after
I'd walked away from the TM movement and its style
of presentation, I tried to use it as the metaphor
for how I presented things. I just laid out what I
had to say as best I could, taught the techniques
of meditation that I was teaching for free, and 
then said, Good night. Thank you for coming.

I'm rambling, on a rainy day here in France, but I
guess that all I really have to say is that this
spiritual bookstore metaphor might be a good one
to keep in mind on spiritual talk forums such as
this one. Everyone here has ideas. Everyone here
is a writer. Their posts are their books, the
things that contain their ideas. Fairfield Life
is just a bookstore, in which these idea-books
are displayed on shelves.

Isn't writing the idea-books enough? People are
either going to resonate with the ideas or they're
not. *Whether* they resonate with your ideas or not
isn't really going to affect you much one way or 
another unless you believe it will. If you believe 
that someone disagreeing with your idea-books dimin-
ishes you somehow, and you start arguing for the 
supremacy of your ideas, in most cases all you do 
is diminish the ideas themselves, and make it all 
about *you*, your ego, your small s self.

The small s self already had its say, in the first
post, in the first idea-book it placed on the shelf.
If that didn't strike a resonance with readers, well
by all means try, try again, if you feel that the
idea has merit. Write another post about the *ideas*.
Maybe you'll express the ideas better this time,
and more people will find a resonance in them. 

But when you start arguing for the essential right-
ness or the essential correctness or better-ness 
of your idea-books, you're kinda introducing the
concept of the high-pressure used car salesman into
an environment in which it doesn't belong. Can you
*imagine* how you'd react if you wandered into a
spiritual bookstore and some 

[FairfieldLife] What can feel insulted? Only the self. (was Re: Ann Coulter)

2007-05-31 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
  IMO, the
 posters here who are able to rise above having to
 react angrily when someone portrays them in a diff-
 erent way than they see themselves can do so because
 they have a basic level of respect for the other
 posters, and consider them their equals. We're all
 just seekers here, and all that. In general, those
 who become indignant do so because they've been
 insulted by someone they consider lesser than
 themselves.

It's interesting, I have never, even for a second,
thought of anyone on this forum--or anywhere else,
for that matter--as lesser than myself.  That
concept is just completely foreign to me and always
has been, no matter how nastily they have insulted
me (or someone else), no matter what kind of
falsehoods the other person has told about me (or
someone or something else), no matter how blatant
the hypocrisy they indulge in.

It's curious that some people seem to see that
kind of thinking in me and others when there's a 
disagreement of some kind.

Especially in a post in which *they* clearly
indicate that they believe their own purported
egalitarianism makes them superior to those
whom they believe perceive others to be inferior.




[FairfieldLife] Re: Stories

2007-05-31 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Maharishi is one of the greatest spiritual teachers
 the world has ever known. He is a living saint, fully
 enlightened, and thus incapable of doing anything that
 is not fully in accord with the laws of nature. There-
 fore anything that anyone says against him is false,
 and indicates that the person saying it is either
 deluded or has some malevolent intent towards this
 great saint. He's one of the world's 'good guys,' and
 anyone who speaks ill of him is a 'bad guy.'
 
 Maharishi is a con man who has systematically ripped
 off the gullible seekers who have followed him for
 decades. He promises them everything -- including
 enlightenment -- and delivers on almost nothing. And
 to protect himself he has created an autocracy that
 punishes any questioning of his authority or his 
 essential 'right' to dictate to his followers what
 they should do and think with excommunication or
 worse (legal action should they violate the copy-
 rights he has taken out on common domain techniques
 and knowledge). He's a 'bad guy,' and anyone who
 tells the 'truth' about him (as defined above) is a 
 'good guy.'
 
 Global warming is a serious problem that threatens
 the future of humanity and the Earth, and those who
 attempt to diminish its importance are enemies of
 humanity.
 
 Global warming is a scam perpetrated by 'scientists'
 who are in it for the money, and who are putting over
 one of the biggest frauds in history on their fellow
 human beings.
 
 Polticians of the Republican/Democratic Party (pick one)
 are 'good guys' who have the welfare of the population 
 as a whole in their hearts. Anyone who says something 
 negative about them is doing so because they *oppose*
 the welfare of the population as a whole. Such people
 are liars and are not to be trusted.
 
 Polticians of the Republican/Democratic Party (pick one)
 are 'bad guys' who have sold out to the interests of 
 those who control them from behind the scenes. The only
 thing they care about is themselves, and putting more 
 money and more power in their pockets. Anyone who says 
 something negative about them is doing so because they 
 *oppose* these self-interested actions, and are acting
 from a sense of heroism, 'protecting' the welfare of the 
 population as a whole. Such people are heroes and are 
 to be trusted implicitly because they *are* heroes.
 
 I am 'right' because because the sources I have quoted 
 to support my position are 'better' than yours.
 
 You are 'wrong' because because the sources you have 
 quoted to support your position are 'lesser' than mine.
 
 My view of who I am and what I do and why I do it is
 'correct' and yours is 'incorrect,' because I say so.
 No one could *possibly* believe the things you're saying
 about me, so the fact that you're saying them means that
 you are intentionally 'lying' about me.
 
 Your view of who you am and what you do and why you do 
 it is 'incorrect' and mine is 'correct,' because I say so.
 I *do* believe the things I'm saying about you, and you
 just can't handle the possibility that they're true.
 
 
 What do all these stories have in common? First, obviously,
 they're all Just Stories. NONE of them are 'true' or 
 'truth' -- they're just stories that we tell ourselves
 and others.

Actually, that's not true.




[FairfieldLife] Re: Ann Coulter on illegal immigrants

2007-05-31 Thread lurkernomore20002000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

snip
 
 I truly don't understand that kind of thinking.
 Resistance to dishonesty should be a *reflex*, an
 instinct. It *should* be an addiction.

OK. Perhaps I don't fully appreciate how it affects you.  Certainly 
you have to go the distance in things you believe passionately about.

lurk




[FairfieldLife] Re: Stories

2007-05-31 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
 Which one of these persons is right? Which is
 better than the other?
 
 I don't know. But there seem to be folks here
 who do. They seem to have NO PROBLEM stating
 who is right on this forum and who is wrong.
 They have NO PROBLEM stating whose position 
 on a matter of pure opinion is better and which
 is worse.

 I don't know about you, but I never received the
 User's Manual that lists these Right/Wrong
 Better/Worse pairs in some kind of easy-to-read
 chart. When I look at the activities or at the
 beliefs that some claim with the voice of Auth-
 ority and Righteous Indignation ARE on one and
 only one side of the chart, I see them all as
 pretty much equivalent. 

Any time you hear a perspective that divides people
into two camps--e.g., those who believe they have
a User's Manual of Right/Wrong, Better/Worse, on
the one hand, and those who see all views as pretty
much equivalent, on the other--you're dealing with
someone who has a very constricted, limited view of
the nature of disagreement (and of people in general).




[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual bookstores as a metaphor for spiritual forums

2007-05-31 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 We live in a world in which many of the conflicts
 around us are based (IMO) on ideas, and on *how*
 those ideas are communicated to others. Some on
 this planet clearly feel that their ideas are so
 right that they have the duty to convince 
 others of their rightness. Think religious 
 fanatics who actively attempt to convert others 
 to their beliefs. Think those who believe that
 their particular beliefs or form of meditation
 or prayer or worship should be mandated, made 
 into a law, and imposed on everyone for their 
 own good. Think even those who seem compelled 
 to react to any idea that is in conflict with 
 their own ideas as an attack, or an excuse for 
 an argument in which they can prove the super-
 iority of their ideas.
 
 Does that seem *respectful* to you? Does that
 seem like the most effective manner in which one
 can present one's spiritual ideas to others?
 
 It doesn't to me. There is a metaphor that, for
 me, presents a somewhat cooler way of presenting 
 one's ideas to others -- just *present* them and 
 then see whether anyone has an interest in them. 
 If so, and the other person asks to hear more, 
 explain more. If not, cool. The ideas have been 
 presented, made available.

So you're saying that's a better way to behave?




[FairfieldLife] Re: Ann Coulter on illegal immigrants

2007-05-31 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
 snip
  
  I truly don't understand that kind of thinking.
  Resistance to dishonesty should be a *reflex*, an
  instinct. It *should* be an addiction.
 
 OK. Perhaps I don't fully appreciate how it affects you.  Certainly 
 you have to go the distance in things you believe passionately 
about.

Actually, one of the very few things I believe
passionately in is the value of honesty and the
destructiveness of dishonesty. With all the
disagreement in the world and all the problems
it causes, it seems to me just appalling that
it should be complicated and exacerbated by
dishonesty.

How can we even get to the point of peaceably
agreeing to disagree, let alone come to a
mutual understanding, if one side is indulging
in deliberate falsehood, and that is *tolerated*
by others? How can anybody have respect for an
opinion that is supported by assertions which
are knowingly factually false?




RE: [FairfieldLife] Stories

2007-05-31 Thread Rick Archer
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of TurquoiseB
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 3:50 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Stories

 

What if we lived in a universe in which ALL of the stories 
we tell to ourselves and to others are true, and just 
*seem* to be contradictory? What if the universe supported 
ALL of these seeming contradictions, without missing a 
step, and found a way to reconcile ALL of them? 

It seems to me that we DO live in such a universe. If
it can reconcile all these seemingly contradictory 
stories, why can't we?

We can, by being more universal, which is what weÂ’re trying to do, if we
aspire to enlightenment. Learning to recognize oneÂ’s cherished stories as
relative perspectives that are not necessarily more true than their
opposites is a powerful technique for enlightenment. Book recommendation¨”A
Thousand Names for Joy” by Byron Katie



[FairfieldLife] Re: 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0

2007-05-31 Thread Richard J. Williams
  ...Microsoft Vista was designed from the bottom 
  up for PlaysForSure and the WMA format; 
 
Bhairitu wrote:
 You drink the kool-aid and I listen to people who 
 actually worked on Vista.

If you listened to people who actually worked on Vista
you probably wouldn't have rushed off to Best Buy to 
purchase Windows Vista Home Edition to install on your
old laptop with 512MB of RAM. And for what purpose?

You could probably back up your entire hard drive on 
a single floppy diskette.




[FairfieldLife] Barbed Wire? (was Re: Vedic City takeover)

2007-05-31 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ffia1120 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 . . .
 Also, why does VC need this land? Like someone mentioned 
 earlier -- there isn't exactly a housing boom going on 
 out at VC. I was just out there on Sunday giving an out-
 of-town guest a tour. It's still very sparsely populated.
 
 Oh, and what's with the barbed wire fencing out at the 
 new pundit housing camp? 

Um, I beg your pardon, but did you say barbed wire?

I presume that's just an imprecise term for fencing
made of wire, right? I *hope* that's the case, anyway.

If it's not, I just can't *wait* to hear speculation
from TM TBs on whether it's to keep people out of the 
compound or in it. And on whether it's appropriate in
either case.

There are some books in the FFL spiritual bookstore
that I'd pre-order before release. This is one of them. :-)





[FairfieldLife] Re: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda

2007-05-31 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam 
jpgillam@ 
  wrote:
  
   I'm curious to know what ordinary mortals 
   feel in these SV buildings. Anybody have 
   anything to report?
   
   
  
  
  
  
  I have spent very little time in SV bldgs, but I have felt a 
clear 
  uplifting quality on entering these bldgs. I had the same 
sensation 
  when I entered the old SRM (Charlie Lutes organization in TM-
ville) 
  bldg in W. Los Angeles, where thousands of initations had been 
  performed: a feeling of being lighter, a feeling of bliss and 
 greater 
  self-awareness. The SRM bldg was not SV-compliant (it had north 
and 
  west entrances, but at least it did not have a south entrance), 
but 
  the experience was clear and persistent through many visits, and 
I 
 am 
  not given to bliss-ninny mood-making -- I have had the same 
  experience on entering the SV bldgs in Fairfield, so I would 
  definitely spring for a compliant house, and plan to do so as 
soon 
 as 
  I pay off the repair and upgrades on my aircraft.
 
 One fellow I know in Australia lived in a very non-SV building and 
 descided to just make a small correction to the entrance so at 
least 
 that would face north. Within three weeks he met the woman in his 
 life, after 4 months he won a huge sum in the lottery. More 
 importantly he claims his meditations are more quiet, Sidhis more 
 clear than before and his general support of nature more 
pronounced. 
 The cost of the adjustment was 3000$

On the other hand, my next door neighbor changed the entrance of his 
front door from south to west and two years later his young wife 
died suddenly and unexpectedly. :-)



[FairfieldLife] Re: Stories

2007-05-31 Thread new . morning
There are opinions an there are reseach-based findings that are
testable by others.The latter can include personal research, aka life
experience, working hypotheses, etc. None are ultimate truth in an
epistimological sense, but they tend towards being reliable -- some,
the more rigoursly reseached oned, very much so.  Quantum mechanics
makes predictions accurate to 6o7 digits, I am told.

An example, personal preference (I like republicans or I like
democrats) is an opinon and turrq's stories of contradiction may be
relevant in characterizing this and many other like opinions. However,
that some are not be able to distinguish between opinion and 
research-based reliabile findings is interesting and a bit dangerous.

Stories

AIDS is a deadly sexually easily-transmitted disease. Its risk can be
sharply diminished by use of condoms and knowing ones sexual
partner(s) well.

AIDS is a conspiracy and hoax of the medical establishment and is not
sexually transmitted at all, and if I have sex with 100 strangers
without condoms, I will never get it.

Walking in front of an oncoming bus is very dangerous and can be fatal.

Buses are just quantum soup, as am I. I can walk in front of an
oncoming bus, and our quantum soups will just pass through each other.
Besides I am wearing my magic gemstone and crystals, so I am safe, I
am invincible.

Going to work everyday brings in a paycheck with which I can pay
expenses and save some.

Going to work is a stupid con of THE MAN. Mother nature is cool, she
will provide me with everything I need as I lay here in the park, just
enjoying. Say, pass that doobie over here brother





  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  

The ability to appreciate several points of Views
simultaneously is a very powerful Taoist technique that will enable
you to see the larger picture and see how it all fits in.

I'm curious to know TomTraynor's opinion on this.??
   
 TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 08:49:41 -
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Stories
 

   Maharishi is one of the greatest spiritual teachers
 the world has ever known. He is a living saint, fully
 enlightened, and thus incapable of doing anything that
 is not fully in accord with the laws of nature. There-
 fore anything that anyone says against him is false,
 and indicates that the person saying it is either
 deluded or has some malevolent intent towards this
 great saint. He's one of the world's 'good guys,' and
 anyone who speaks ill of him is a 'bad guy.'
 
 Maharishi is a con man who has systematically ripped
 off the gullible seekers who have followed him for
 decades. He promises them everything -- including
 enlightenment -- and delivers on almost nothing. And
 to protect himself he has created an autocracy that
 punishes any questioning of his authority or his 
 essential 'right' to dictate to his followers what
 they should do and think with excommunication or
 worse (legal action should they violate the copy-
 rights he has taken out on common domain techniques
 and knowledge). He's a 'bad guy,' and anyone who
 tells the 'truth' about him (as defined above) is a 
 'good guy.'
 
 Global warming is a serious problem that threatens
 the future of humanity and the Earth, and those who
 attempt to diminish its importance are enemies of
 humanity.
 
 Global warming is a scam perpetrated by 'scientists'
 who are in it for the money, and who are putting over
 one of the biggest frauds in history on their fellow
 human beings.
 
 Polticians of the Republican/Democrat ic Party (pick one)
 are 'good guys' who have the welfare of the population 
 as a whole in their hearts. Anyone who says something 
 negative about them is doing so because they *oppose*
 the welfare of the population as a whole. Such people
 are liars and are not to be trusted.
 
 Polticians of the Republican/Democrat ic Party (pick one)
 are 'bad guys' who have sold out to the interests of 
 those who control them from behind the scenes. The only
 thing they care about is themselves, and putting more 
 money and more power in their pockets. Anyone who says 
 something negative about them is doing so because they 
 *oppose* these self-interested actions, and are acting
 from a sense of heroism, 'protecting' the welfare of the 
 population as a whole. Such people are heroes and are 
 to be trusted implicitly because they *are* heroes.
 
 I am 'right' because because the sources I have quoted 
 to support my position are 'better' than yours.
 
 You are 'wrong' because because the sources you have 
 quoted to support your position are 'lesser' than mine.
 
 My view of who I am and what I do and why I do it is
 'correct' and yours is 'incorrect,' because I say so.
 No one could *possibly* believe the things you're saying
 about me, so the fact that you're saying them means that
 you are intentionally 'lying' about me.
 
 Your view of who you am and what you do and why 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Stories

2007-05-31 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote:
 
  From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  On Behalf Of TurquoiseB
  Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 3:50 AM
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Stories
  
  What if we lived in a universe in which ALL of the stories 
  we tell to ourselves and to others are true, and just 
  *seem* to be contradictory? What if the universe supported 
  ALL of these seeming contradictions, without missing a 
  step, and found a way to reconcile ALL of them? 
  
  It seems to me that we DO live in such a universe. If
  it can reconcile all these seemingly contradictory 
  stories, why can't we?
  
  We can, by being more universal, which is what we're trying
  to do, if we aspire to enlightenment. Learning to recognize
  one's cherished stories as relative perspectives that are not
  necessarily more true than their opposites is a powerful
  technique for enlightenment.
 
 At the same time, though, we don't want to
 mood-make ourselves into a state in which we
 lose sight of distinctions and relative
 values, which can happen if we're told that
 being more universal is better.
 
 It's fine to be *able* to take a universal
 view, but we ought to be able to operate in
 the realm of distinctions and values as well.
 
 One of the most important distinctions is a
 meta-distinction, that between facts and
 opinions. Another is between opinions that
 are well supported by facts and logic and
 those that are not, and between stories 
 that are honest reflections of one's
 thinking and perceptions, and those that are
 made up to for the purpose of looking good.
 
 Yet another is between Zen-like contradictions
 (paradoxes) and self-serving contradictions
 due to intellectual laziness and/or dishonesty.
 
 Taking the more universal stance should no
 be used as an excuse to avoid making
 distinctions and assigning values when
 appropriate.

I respond to an earlier post of yours today, and 
to the two ideas celebrated in it -- the value of
facts and the value of honesty -- with one of each.

Fact: That makes 34 posts; one more and you are 
'over and out' for the week.

Honesty: I hope you use your last post wisely.





Re: [FairfieldLife] Spiritual bookstores as a metaphor for spiritual forums

2007-05-31 Thread Lsoma
 
In a message dated 5/31/2007 8:27:06 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 The information is enlightening. It speaks volumes in regards to  saying 
yes to every experience in life.
However, it is tough to live up to this in a capitalistic society where you  
are expected to pay your rent or mortgage on time. If your ideas don't sell 
then  how can you pay your bills. When I worked for Deepak Chorpra I saw his 
own 
 struggle with this. He is one of the best at selling ideas to the public 
that  make book sales improve in order to keep his contract with his publishers 
and a  working relationship with his agent. We have built a financial world  
around us which doesn't allow for spiritual development because  we depend so 
much on others buying our ideas. We become educated in  order to be better idea 
people so we can have financial freedom at the cost of  not surrendering our 
need for approval or just being in the moment of expression  rather than 
thinking how can I get something out of this for myself (little  mind) in order 
to 
survive comfortably in a physical world. 
 
And we could have the most valuable message for people on how to live a  
happier life but it could be completely ignored if it doesn't resonate with 
what  
is in style because most people don't know how to think from inside of  
themselves. They follow the crowd. The bottom line is that it is very difficult 
 to 
live a spiritual life in the mist of structure. Many of us have chosen to be  
a part of this struggle by incarnating on this planet and leaving behind a 
much  more open minded culture. My memories of being with my culture 
(Pleiadian) 
is so  ideal most people think that I'm hallucinating when I talk about it. 
The free  exchange of  energy that our economy is based is sharing subtle  
energy in order to expand. No one is left behind and no one is judged by how  
much 
more they have since we see everyone as having the same opportunities to  have 
as much as they need without lack of energy and intelligence. I pray that  
this planet can allow this type of a system to manifest over the next seven  
years by 2014. It would help everyone to relax more and flow with divine  
intelligence rather than having to worry all of the time if others will except  
my 
ideas because I need to pay the rent or eat today. In other words, even if  
people don't enjoy your ideas you can still pay the rent and eat. This is every 
 
artists dream also along with many souls that have chosen to do spiritual work. 
 Just a few thoughts. 
 
Thanks for the information you provided because it resonates with so many  
people on the spiritual path and you are giving people some profound 
information 
 that helps them to say-It's OK that I'm not always excepted for my ideas. 
Ask  the people who are famous for there ideas and you find out that they can 
have  anything they want materially but their is a price to pay spiritually for 
 
selling out on your ideas to please your audience. And most of the pleasing 
is  to keep a few wealthy families rich who don't care if your come down with 
aids  or cancer and have nothing left to pay your mortgage with. They will 
foreclose  your home and take the rest of you with them. But, in galactic 
cultures 
we will  love you even more if your in trouble and provide love and joy to 
the  experience so no one is seperated from the collective idea of  inspiring 
on 
the basis of giving. There are no ideas to sell in the higer  dimensions. 
Just love to give without needing to own anything or  anyone. Lsoma. 
 

 
 
 
We live in a world in which many of the conflicts
around us are based  (IMO) on ideas, and on *how*
those ideas are communicated to others. Some  on
this planet clearly feel that their ideas are so
right that they  have the duty to convince 
others of their rightness. Think religious  
fanatics who actively attempt to convert others 
to their beliefs.  Think those who believe that
their particular beliefs or form of  meditation
or prayer or worship should be mandated, made 
into a law,  and imposed on everyone for their 
own good. Think even those who seem  compelled 
to react to any idea that is in conflict with 
their own  ideas as an attack, or an excuse for 
an argument in which they can  prove the super-
iority of their ideas.

Does that seem  *respectful* to you? Does that
seem like the most effective manner in which  one
can present one's spiritual ideas to others?

It doesn't to me.  There is a metaphor that, for
me, presents a somewhat cooler way of  presenting 
one's ideas to others -- just *present* them and 
then see  whether anyone has an interest in them. 
If so, and the other person asks  to hear more, 
explain more. If not, cool. The ideas have been  
presented, made available. 

A teacher I used to work with never  used the 
hard sell in his public talks. He never sug-
gested in those  talks that he or his ideas were 
better than any other teacher or any  other 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Stories

2007-05-31 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On Behalf Of TurquoiseB
 Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 3:50 AM
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Stories
 
  
 
 What if we lived in a universe in which ALL of the stories 
 we tell to ourselves and to others are true, and just 
 *seem* to be contradictory? What if the universe supported 
 ALL of these seeming contradictions, without missing a 
 step, and found a way to reconcile ALL of them? 
 
 It seems to me that we DO live in such a universe. If
 it can reconcile all these seemingly contradictory 
 stories, why can't we?
 
 We can, by being more universal, which is what we're trying
 to do, if we aspire to enlightenment. Learning to recognize
 one's cherished stories as relative perspectives that are not
 necessarily more true than their opposites is a powerful
 technique for enlightenment.

At the same time, though, we don't want to
mood-make ourselves into a state in which we
lose sight of distinctions and relative
values, which can happen if we're told that
being more universal is better.

It's fine to be *able* to take a universal
view, but we ought to be able to operate in
the realm of distinctions and values as well.

One of the most important distinctions is a
meta-distinction, that between facts and
opinions. Another is between opinions that
are well supported by facts and logic and
those that are not, and between stories 
that are honest reflections of one's
thinking and perceptions, and those that are
made up to for the purpose of looking good.

Yet another is between Zen-like contradictions
(paradoxes) and self-serving contradictions
due to intellectual laziness and/or dishonesty.

Taking the more universal stance should no
be used as an excuse to avoid making
distinctions and assigning values when
appropriate.




[FairfieldLife] Re: Stories

2007-05-31 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 There are opinions an there are reseach-based findings that are
 testable by others.The latter can include personal research, aka 
 life
 experience, working hypotheses, etc. None are ultimate truth in an
 epistimological sense, but they tend towards being reliable -- some,
 the more rigoursly reseached oned, very much so.  Quantum mechanics
 makes predictions accurate to 6o7 digits, I am told.
 
 An example, personal preference (I like republicans or I like
 democrats) is an opinon and turrq's stories of contradiction may be
 relevant in characterizing this and many other like opinions. 
 However, that some are not be able to distinguish between opinion 
 and research-based reliabile findings is interesting and a bit 
 dangerous.
 
 Stories
 
 AIDS is a deadly sexually easily-transmitted disease. Its risk 
 can be sharply diminished by use of condoms and knowing ones 
 sexual partner(s) well.
 
 AIDS is a conspiracy and hoax of the medical establishment and 
 is not sexually transmitted at all, and if I have sex with 100 
 strangers without condoms, I will never get it.
 
 Walking in front of an oncoming bus is very dangerous and can 
 be fatal.
 
 Buses are just quantum soup, as am I. I can walk in front of an
 oncoming bus, and our quantum soups will just pass through each 
 other. Besides I am wearing my magic gemstone and crystals, so I 
 am safe, I am invincible.
 
 Going to work everyday brings in a paycheck with which I can pay
 expenses and save some.
 
 Going to work is a stupid con of THE MAN. Mother nature is cool, 
 she will provide me with everything I need as I lay here in the 
 park, just enjoying. Say, pass that doobie over here brother

Cute stories, and good point. Although, I have met
a few people for whom the last story seems to have
*been* a fact. As Stephen King once said in one of
his books, God has a special provenance for babies,
small children, and the terminally stoned. All 3
*sometimes* escape unscathed from circumstances
that bring others down, including having no income. 
Think the Purusha guys who have managed to get other
people to pay for their lives for years, although 
I'm not sure which of King's three categories they 
fall into.  :-)

That joke aside, there seems to me a strong difference 
between things that *clearly* fall into the realm of
facts that can be determined using empirical methods
and those that cannot, and should be more rightly
classed in the realm of opinion. 

I think that most of us are capable of determining
which is which, and of acting appropriately in the real
world, most of the time. But here on FFL the distinc-
tion often seems to be blurred. I'll agree that the
first of the stories you told above probably deserves 
to be classed in the Fact column. The third does not
because it isn't precise enough; you didn't say how
far the walker was from the bus...if the bus is half
a block away and there is a red light between you 
and the bus, chances are that walking in front of
the oncoming bus *isn't* all that dangerous. As for 
the one about work bringing in a paycheck, tell that 
to the folks who've worked for companies that went 
bankrupt and stiffed them for their last month's 
wages. It's not *always* a fact.

But let's get back to the stories *I* told earlier.
I still think they're all Just Stories, and *don't*
deserve to be classed as Fact. Do you disagree? Can
you propose a set of empirical methods by which the
truth of any of them can be determined to the point
that they could be considered Facts? I'm not challeng-
ing the gist of what you said; it deserved to be said.
I'm just curious. Here they are again:


Maharishi is one of the greatest spiritual teachers
the world has ever known. He is a living saint, fully
enlightened, and thus incapable of doing anything that
is not fully in accord with the laws of nature. There-
fore anything that anyone says against him is false,
and indicates that the person saying it is either
deluded or has some malevolent intent towards this
great saint. He's one of the world's 'good guys,' and
anyone who speaks ill of him is a 'bad guy.'

Maharishi is a con man who has systematically ripped
off the gullible seekers who have followed him for
decades. He promises them everything -- including
enlightenment -- and delivers on almost nothing. And
to protect himself he has created an autocracy that
punishes any questioning of his authority or his
essential 'right' to dictate to his followers what
they should do and think with excommunication or
worse (legal action should they violate the copy-
rights he has taken out on common domain techniques
and knowledge). He's a 'bad guy,' and anyone who
tells the 'truth' about him (as defined above) is a
'good guy.'

Global warming is a serious problem that threatens
the future of humanity and the Earth, and those who
attempt to diminish its importance are enemies of
humanity.

Global warming is a scam 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Stories

2007-05-31 Thread new . morning
Re: Stories

There are opinions and there are research-based findings that are
testable by others. And such findings can be the basis for making
quite accurate predictions about the cause and effect of various things. 

Research  can include personal research, aka life experience, working
hypotheses, etc. None are ultimate truth in an epistimological sense,
but they tend towards being reliable -- some, the more rigoursly
reseached ones, very much so. Quantum mechanics makes predictions
accurate to 6-7 digits, I am told.

Some opinions not based on research -- personal or scientific -- are
simply speculation. Speculation is a great thing. Holding
contradictory speculative ideas and models in one's head is a great
thing. However, specualtion, that is not based on research, typically
is a weak basis for making accurate predictions about cause and effect. 

Another useful distinction -- one used in the social sciences -- is
normative and positive. That which is, and (one's opinion) about what
should be. Both can be supported by rigorous research. And there can
be different opinions about the validity of various positive and
normative claims. However, in the positive realm, if the finding 
provides a reliable basis for making predictions, it moves beyond mere
opinion and speculation. 

On the other side of the fence, for normative claims, various paries,
both intellligent and well read in the reseach, can still disagree.
And there can and often is SOME truth in each position. The back and
forth between the two camps is a useful and an serve as fuel to move
debate and research forward. 

Back to opinions, as an example, personal preference (I like
republicans or I like democrats) is an opinon and turrq's stories of
contradiction may be relevant in characterizing this and many other
similar opinions. 

However, if some are not be able to distinguish between opinion and
research-based reliabile findings is interesting and a bit dangerous.

Stories

AIDS is a deadly sexually easily-transmitted disease. Its risk can be
sharply diminished by use of condoms and knowing ones sexual
partner(s) well.

AIDS is a conspiracy and hoax of the medical establishment and is not
sexually transmitted at all, and if I have sex with 100 strangers
without condoms, I will never get it.

Walking in front of an oncoming bus is very dangerous and can be fatal.

Buses are just quantum soup, as am I. I can walk in front of an
oncoming bus, and our quantum soups will just pass through each other.
Besides I am wearing my magic gemstone and crystals, so I am safe, I
am invincible.

Going to work everyday brings in a paycheck with which I can pay
expenses and save some.

Going to work is a stupid con of THE MAN. Mother nature is cool, she
will provide me with everything I need as I lay here in the park, just
enjoying. Say, pass that doobie over here brother








--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



 The ability to appreciate several points of Views
simultaneously is a very powerful Taoist technique that will enable
you to see the larger picture and see how it all fits in.

 I'm curious to know TomTraynor's opinion on this.??

 TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 08:49:41 -
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Stories


 Maharishi is one of the greatest spiritual teachers
 the world has ever known. He is a living saint, fully
 enlightened, and thus incapable of doing anything that
 is not fully in accord with the laws of nature. There-
 fore anything that anyone says against him is false,
 and indicates that the person saying it is either
 deluded or has some malevolent intent towards this
 great saint. He's one of the world's 'good guys,' and
 anyone who speaks ill of him is a 'bad guy.'

 Maharishi is a con man who has systematically ripped
 off the gullible seekers who have followed him for
 decades. He promises them everything -- including
 enlightenment -- and delivers on almost nothing. And
 to protect himself he has created an autocracy that
 punishes any questioning of his authority or his
 essential 'right' to dictate to his followers what
 they should do and think with excommunication or
 worse (legal action should they violate the copy-
 rights he has taken out on common domain techniques
 and knowledge). He's a 'bad guy,' and anyone who
 tells the 'truth' about him (as defined above) is a
 'good guy.'



[FairfieldLife] What can feel insulted? Only the self. (was Re: Ann Coulter)

2007-05-31 Thread Marek Reavis
Comment below:

**

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
 snip
   IMO, the
  posters here who are able to rise above having to
  react angrily when someone portrays them in a diff-
  erent way than they see themselves can do so because
  they have a basic level of respect for the other
  posters, and consider them their equals. We're all
  just seekers here, and all that. In general, those
  who become indignant do so because they've been
  insulted by someone they consider lesser than
  themselves.
 
 It's interesting, I have never, even for a second,
 thought of anyone on this forum--or anywhere else,
 for that matter--as lesser than myself.  That
 concept is just completely foreign to me and always
 has been, no matter how nastily they have insulted
 me (or someone else), no matter what kind of
 falsehoods the other person has told about me (or
 someone or something else), no matter how blatant
 the hypocrisy they indulge in.
 
 It's curious that some people seem to see that
 kind of thinking in me and others when there's a 
 disagreement of some kind.
 
 Especially in a post in which *they* clearly
 indicate that they believe their own purported
 egalitarianism makes them superior to those
 whom they believe perceive others to be inferior.

 **end**

But, Judy, can't you see that referring to certain people as nasty,
insulting, hypocritical liars might make them feel as if you're making
a value judgment?



[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual bookstores as a metaphor for spiritual forums

2007-05-31 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The information is enlightening. It speaks volumes in regards to  
 saying yes to every experience in life.
 However, it is tough to live up to this in a capitalistic society 
 where you are expected to pay your rent or mortgage on time. If 
 your ideas don't sell then how can you pay your bills. When I 
 worked for Deepak Chorpra I saw his own struggle with this. He 
 is one of the best at selling ideas to the public that make book 
 sales improve in order to keep his contract with his publishers 
 and a  working relationship with his agent. We have built a 
 financial world around us which doesn't allow for spiritual 
 development because we depend so much on others buying our 
 ideas. 

I might suggest that this isn't precisely true, Lou.
Those who *sell* their ideas and depend on the money
they receive for those ideas to pay their bills may
be concerned about whether those ideas sell.

But what about the situation I mentioned in my little
essay itself? When I taught meditation Rama-style, I
did it FOR FUN, paying for all of the expenses myself.
I supported myself at another career SO THAT I could
have fun that way.

It seems to me that it's only the model of *selling*
one's spiritual ideas that is dependent on the 
publish or perish mentality.





[FairfieldLife] Re: Stories

2007-05-31 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote:
  
   From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
   On Behalf Of TurquoiseB
   Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 3:50 AM
   To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
   Subject: [FairfieldLife] Stories
   
   What if we lived in a universe in which ALL of the stories 
   we tell to ourselves and to others are true, and just 
   *seem* to be contradictory? What if the universe supported 
   ALL of these seeming contradictions, without missing a 
   step, and found a way to reconcile ALL of them? 
   
   It seems to me that we DO live in such a universe. If
   it can reconcile all these seemingly contradictory 
   stories, why can't we?
   
   We can, by being more universal, which is what we're trying
   to do, if we aspire to enlightenment. Learning to recognize
   one's cherished stories as relative perspectives that are not
   necessarily more true than their opposites is a powerful
   technique for enlightenment.
  
  At the same time, though, we don't want to
  mood-make ourselves into a state in which we
  lose sight of distinctions and relative
  values, which can happen if we're told that
  being more universal is better.
  
  It's fine to be *able* to take a universal
  view, but we ought to be able to operate in
  the realm of distinctions and values as well.
  
  One of the most important distinctions is a
  meta-distinction, that between facts and
  opinions. Another is between opinions that
  are well supported by facts and logic and
  those that are not, and between stories 
  that are honest reflections of one's
  thinking and perceptions, and those that are
  made up to for the purpose of looking good.
  
  Yet another is between Zen-like contradictions
  (paradoxes) and self-serving contradictions
  due to intellectual laziness and/or dishonesty.
  
  Taking the more universal stance should no
  be used as an excuse to avoid making
  distinctions and assigning values when
  appropriate.
 
 I respond to an earlier post of yours today, and 
 to the two ideas celebrated in it -- the value of
 facts and the value of honesty -- with one of each.
 
 Fact: That makes 34 posts; one more and you are 
 'over and out' for the week.
 
 Honesty: I hope you use your last post wisely.

Opinion: It's nice that you're so concerned about
the number of my posts that you'd use one of yours
just to warn me how many I've made, when you could
have used it to make a substantive response to one
of my posts (or anybody else's).

Fact: I'm doing quite well keeping track of my posts
on my own, thanks, so if you have anything more
important to do or say, please feel free.

Fact: From time to time this summer, I'll be taking
long weekends away, without my computer, which means
that during the week I may well decide to use up my
allotted posts a day or two early, as I did last week
and am doing again this week. I'm out of here today
very shortly and won't be back until Saturday night.

(That's another reason you really don't need to
bother to keep me informed about how many posts I've
made, since you won't know in advance what my
schedule is on any given week. But, you know, if it
makes you feel better to do so, relieves some
anxiety or whatever, you're more than welcome to
continue.)

Oh, yeah, and Honesty: So sorry to have to 
disappoint your hope (which I have absolutely no
doubt was sincere).




[FairfieldLife] Re: Using eminent domain to take a farmer's land in Vedic City

2007-05-31 Thread Alex Stanley
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, george_deforest 
 george.deforest@ wrote:
  people here on FFL seem to be jumping to the conclusion that 
  Vedic City is automatically wrong for this aggressiveness.
  (just like the grand-standing county supervisors want you to)
  
 They ARE automatically wrong. They should pay the farmer what he is 
 asking, or if they deem his price above market value, then they wait. 
 The insidious thing about eminent domain seizures is that they create 
 a precedent that can then be exercised more loosely next time the city 
 wants to annex land. And please give me a break- I've seen pictures of 
 the booming metropolis of so called Vedic City, and they honestly 
 don't need more land, and won't for quite a while...:-)

This situation is EXACTLY the kind of PR nightmare the community
doesn't need. They should pay the guy what he wants for his property.
Or, better yet, buy acreage for a city park within VC. Is there some
legal reason why VC can't pull their eminent domain stunt against
Global Country, which owns hundreds and hundreds of undeveloped acres
inside VC?



RE: [FairfieldLife] Barbed Wire? (was Re: Vedic City takeover)

2007-05-31 Thread Rick Archer
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of TurquoiseB
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 8:37 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Barbed Wire? (was Re: Vedic City takeover)

 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , ffia1120 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 . . .
 Also, why does VC need this land? Like someone mentioned 
 earlier -- there isn't exactly a housing boom going on 
 out at VC. I was just out there on Sunday giving an out-
 of-town guest a tour. It's still very sparsely populated.
 
 Oh, and what's with the barbed wire fencing out at the 
 new pundit housing camp? 

Um, I beg your pardon, but did you say barbed wire?

I presume that's just an imprecise term for fencing
made of wire, right? I *hope* that's the case, anyway.

I would like to hear a confirmation of this barbed wire thing. I know that
there were some instances of pundits and staff ducking under the existing
fencing to go visit a friend or something. I wonder if barbed wire has been
put up to prevent that?

 



[FairfieldLife] Day trip to Des Moines to see the talking bonobo apes!

2007-05-31 Thread curtisdeltablues
http://abcnews.go.com/WN/Story?id=3222942page=1

I am fascinated with bonobo apes.  Ever since I raised a squirrel
monkey as a kid I have been intrigued by our social primate cousins. 
This article is about a project near you guys in Fairfield. Great
video on this page on the right also.  While you are out there you
should swing by the New Melleray Cistercian (Trappist) monastery in
Dubuque.  Friendly talking apes there too! http://www.newmelleray.org/



RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Stories

2007-05-31 Thread Rick Archer
One of Byron Katie's questions is Can you absolutely know that's true? If
you're really honest, the answer has to be no. Is there anything we can
know with absolute certainty, other than, perhaps, I am?



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual bookstores as a metaphor for spiritual forums

2007-05-31 Thread Lsoma
 
In a message dated 5/31/2007 10:34:49 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 
 
 
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) 
,  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The information is enlightening. It speaks  volumes in regards to 
 saying yes to every experience in life.
  However, it is tough to live up to this in a capitalistic society 
  where you are expected to pay your rent or mortgage on time. If 
 your  ideas don't sell then how can you pay your bills. When I 
 worked for  Deepak Chorpra I saw his own struggle with this. He 
 is one of the  best at selling ideas to the public that make book 
 sales improve in  order to keep his contract with his publishers 
 and a working  relationship with his agent. We have built a 
 financial world around  us which doesn't allow for spiritual 
 development because we depend so  much on others buying our 
 ideas. 

I might suggest that this  isn't precisely true, Lou.
Those who *sell* their ideas and depend on the  money
they receive for those ideas to pay their bills may
be concerned  about whether those ideas sell.

But what about the situation I  mentioned in my little
essay itself? When I taught meditation Rama-style,  I
did it FOR FUN, paying for all of the expenses myself.
I supported  myself at another career SO THAT I could
have fun that way.

It seems  to me that it's only the model of *selling*
one's spiritual ideas that is  dependent on the 
publish or perish mentality. 
 You are correct. You  can be spiritual, spontaneous, creative without the 
need to sell and still  make money. But why have we created a situation where 
we need to think about  earning money at all is my point. More often then not 
their is so much of the  little ego involved with our economic system to 
control and manipulate others  through our *ideas*. People in this world want 
to own 
others and will do  anything to sell their ideas in order to have that power. 
You are very  rare. Most people want money to buy them power. Many of our 
spiritual  leaders who sell ideas are fallen souls who have settled for power 
at 
the cost  of creating heaven on earth. Yes, one of them is MMY. The greatest 
seller of  meditation in the world and the most frustrated master as he has 
tried to work  with the system only to be controlled by  the judgments and 
ideas 
of  others who will not except his world plan. He will be much happier going 
back  to the fifth dimension soon. Jai Guru Deva. Lsoma. PS. I believe you said 
that  you didn't charge for meditation in your essay. How can you pay your 
bills by  not charging? Even those who don't charge take donations.  


 


 



** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.


[FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown

2007-05-31 Thread boo_lives
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams
  willytex@ wrote:
  
   Conny Larsson: God's Little Clown

   Guru of Vedic Mantras
   Meditation and Yoga Teacher
   Lecturer on Spirituality
   Psychic Healer
   Trans-medium
   
   http://tinyurl.com/ytdxf8
  
 Looks like Connie would need some Deep Meditation...

The site willy links to is a pro Sai Baba propaganda site, which means
pro pedophile pro magic tricks site, which seems dedicated to
slandering everyone bringing out the truth about His Sliminess like
Connie is doing.



RE: [FairfieldLife] Day trip to Des Moines to see the talking bonobo apes!

2007-05-31 Thread Rick Archer
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of curtisdeltablues
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 9:53 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Day trip to Des Moines to see the talking bonobo
apes!

 

http://abcnews.go.com/WN/Story?id=3222942
http://abcnews.go.com/WN/Story?id=3222942page=1 page=1

I am fascinated with bonobo apes. Ever since I raised a squirrel
monkey as a kid I have been intrigued by our social primate cousins. 
This article is about a project near you guys in Fairfield. Great
video on this page on the right also. While you are out there you
should swing by the New Melleray Cistercian (Trappist) monastery in
Dubuque. Friendly talking apes there too! http://www.newmelleray.org/

Dubuque is in the opposite direction, but thanks for the tip. 



[FairfieldLife] Barbed Wire? (was Re: Vedic City takeover)

2007-05-31 Thread curtisdeltablues
 I would like to hear a confirmation of this barbed wire thing. I
know that
 there were some instances of pundits and staff ducking under the
existing
 fencing to go visit a friend or something. I wonder if barbed wire
has been
 put up to prevent that?


I think it takes razor wire to keep lingams from finding yonies.
http://www.boundary-fences.com/razorcoil.htm


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On Behalf Of TurquoiseB
 Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 8:37 AM
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Barbed Wire? (was Re: Vedic City takeover)
 
  
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , ffia1120 no_reply@ wrote:
 
  . . .
  Also, why does VC need this land? Like someone mentioned 
  earlier -- there isn't exactly a housing boom going on 
  out at VC. I was just out there on Sunday giving an out-
  of-town guest a tour. It's still very sparsely populated.
  
  Oh, and what's with the barbed wire fencing out at the 
  new pundit housing camp? 
 
 Um, I beg your pardon, but did you say barbed wire?
 
 I presume that's just an imprecise term for fencing
 made of wire, right? I *hope* that's the case, anyway.
 
 I would like to hear a confirmation of this barbed wire thing. I
know that
 there were some instances of pundits and staff ducking under the
existing
 fencing to go visit a friend or something. I wonder if barbed wire
has been
 put up to prevent that?





[FairfieldLife] Re: Day trip to Des Moines to see the talking bonobo apes!

2007-05-31 Thread curtisdeltablues
I was confused, it has been so long.  I am living in an area that
pronounces your home state Ohio!  Old Iowa joke.

I used to stay at that monastery when I was a student.  It is really
charming.  Very peaceful surrounded by farm land.  The stone chapel is
beautiful and the monks chants bounce off the tall walls.  I would
happily go again if I was out that way. I would enjoy finding out how
I would relate to it all without a theistic perspective.  I suspect
the experience would be just as cool.  At the end of the day they all
sing the Salve Regina in Latin to a picture of Mary.  Reminds me of
Carl Jung's Animus and Anima theory.  Really beautiful. 

They make beautiful caskets to support themselves.  Although I am
donating my body to a drunken fraternity for pledge pranks when I die,
I would love one of these as a coffee table.  Very goth or using
death as an adviser Don Juan style.  Probably not too good for scoring
with chicks without tribal tats and multiple piercings though!



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On Behalf Of curtisdeltablues
 Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 9:53 AM
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Day trip to Des Moines to see the talking
bonobo
 apes!
 
  
 
 http://abcnews.go.com/WN/Story?id=3222942
 http://abcnews.go.com/WN/Story?id=3222942page=1 page=1
 
 I am fascinated with bonobo apes. Ever since I raised a squirrel
 monkey as a kid I have been intrigued by our social primate cousins. 
 This article is about a project near you guys in Fairfield. Great
 video on this page on the right also. While you are out there you
 should swing by the New Melleray Cistercian (Trappist) monastery in
 Dubuque. Friendly talking apes there too! http://www.newmelleray.org/
 
 Dubuque is in the opposite direction, but thanks for the tip.





[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual bookstores as a metaphor for spiritual forums

2007-05-31 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 In a message dated 5/31/2007 10:34:49 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
 TurquoiseB writes:
 
 I might suggest that this  isn't precisely true, Lou.
 Those who *sell* their ideas and depend on the  money
 they receive for those ideas to pay their bills may
 be concerned  about whether those ideas sell.
 
 But what about the situation I  mentioned in my little
 essay itself? When I taught meditation Rama-style,  I
 did it FOR FUN, paying for all of the expenses myself.
 I supported  myself at another career SO THAT I could
 have fun that way.
 
 It seems  to me that it's only the model of *selling*
 one's spiritual ideas that is  dependent on the 
 publish or perish mentality. 
 
 You are correct. You  can be spiritual, spontaneous, 
 creative without the need to sell and still make money. 
 But why have we created a situation where we need to 
 think about earning money at all is my point. 

Hey, if you can invent a system in which we
*don't* have to earn a living, I'm all for it. :-)

 More often then not their is so much of the little ego 
 involved with our economic system to control and manipulate 
 others  through our *ideas*. People in this world want to own 
 others and will do  anything to sell their ideas in order to 
 have that power. 
 
 You are very rare. Most people want money to buy them power. 
 Many of our spiritual leaders who sell ideas are fallen souls 
 who have settled for power at the cost of creating heaven on 
 earth. 

Hey, I'm a pretty fallen soul myself. Unlike others,
I kinda like it down here.  :-)

It's just that I am personally fascinated by this
teach spirituality for free thang. It's part of
what fascinates me about the Cathars. Their priests
or perfecti (which included an equal number of men
and women, by the way) all supported themselves
with a career (as scribes, by papermaking, or with
manual labor). They never made a cent from their
teaching or healing activities. There was no such
idea as supported clergy. Also there weren't any
churches or organization to support. ALL of
the 'bonhommes' worked for a living, even those
at the highest level of their organization.

I saw it again in a story a couple of years ago 
about a (I think) Belgian monastery that had won
the prize for the Best Beer In The World. Their
entire year's production of the beer sold out 
within days of the announcement, and business
magazines such as Forbes and Fortune went to 
interview the monks, and to ask them what they
were going to do to increase production and meet
the increased demand. They replied that they had
no intention of doing any such thing. They were
going to continue making the same amount of beer.
As they pointed out to the incredulous business
reporters, We're monks. We make the beer to 
pay for our lives as monks. The current production
brings in enough money to do that. Why should we
increase our production?

Call me a dreamer, but I think that monks who work
for a living to arrange their lives such that they
can then give away their spiritual services for
free are onto something. 

 I believe you said that you didn't charge for meditation 
 in your essay. How can you pay your bills by not charging? 
 Even those who don't charge take donations.  

In my case, for the classes I taught, I paid
for everything myself. In the case of the teacher
who first mentioned the spiritual bookstore
metaphor to me, *at the time* he paid for his
own life himself, from sales of previous books, 
and both he and all of us students contributed 
to the costs of the public talks. We thought of 
it as a fun thing to do.

Later on the book money ran out and this teacher,
instead of writing more, started charging his 
direct students a monthly tuition. And over the 
years, that tuition became larger and larger and 
larger. As I said before, I thought he was onto 
a more evolved teaching model earlier in his 
career than he was later in it.





Re: [FairfieldLife] Barbed Wire? (was Re: Vedic City takeover)

2007-05-31 Thread Sal Sunshine
On May 31, 2007, at 8:37 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:

 Um, I beg your pardon, but did you say barbed wire?

It's obviously to keep all the crazy, wild women of FF away from the 
pundits' purity.

Is it even legal to use that for people?

I'll go down in a few minutes to see if it's really barbed wire.  This 
I gotta see.

 I presume that's just an imprecise term for fencing
 made of wire, right? I *hope* that's the case, anyway.

 If it's not, I just can't *wait* to hear speculation
 from TM TBs on whether it's to keep people out of the
 compound or in it. And on whether it's appropriate in
 either case.

 There are some books in the FFL spiritual bookstore
 that I'd pre-order before release. This is one of them. :-)



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0

2007-05-31 Thread Bhairitu
Richard J. Williams wrote:
 ...Microsoft Vista was designed from the bottom 
 up for PlaysForSure and the WMA format; 

   
 Bhairitu wrote:
   
 You drink the kool-aid and I listen to people who 
 actually worked on Vista.

 
 If you listened to people who actually worked on Vista
 you probably wouldn't have rushed off to Best Buy to 
 purchase Windows Vista Home Edition to install on your
 old laptop with 512MB of RAM. And for what purpose?

 You could probably back up your entire hard drive on 
 a single floppy diskette.
No, if you were paying attention you would have learned that to make 
sure some software I've developed works on Vista I purchased a Vista 
notebook.  Not what I wanted to do but it was necessary to verify the 
software ran.  I also needed an extra notebook for another project.  
Except for the low memory which is easily fixed by adding another 512 mb 
for $40 the notebook was a good bargain.  Unlike many users I don't use 
a notebook as my everyday machine, just mainly for traveling so I don't 
even need a power notebook.



[FairfieldLife] What can feel insulted? Only the self. (was Re: Ann Coulter)

2007-05-31 Thread Richard J. Williams
TurquoiseB wrote:
 Laugh at those who feel compelled to post the 
 jibes and insults consistently, and thus
 reveal so much about themselves. 

guffaw!

Barry Wright wrote:
 What Willytex is *really* doing with those prairie dogs
 Willytex's (Richard Williams) new name!
 Willy's a troll.
 Wee Willy Wanker
 Willytex's new name!
 You had him pegged right - he's a total loser. 

Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental,alt.buddha.short.fat.guy
From: willytex
Date: 2 Mar 2006
Subject: My Recent Fan Mail
http://tinyurl.com/2el8ym



[FairfieldLife] Re: Ann Coulter on illegal immigrants

2007-05-31 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Another thought here: How can you possibly not
 care that there are several people on this forum
 who *routinely and deliberately* tell falsehoods?

Great question! Speaking for myself alone, it's because I know them, 
and I know how much weight to give their postings. If they touch my 
heart, I thank them, inwardly or outwardly. If they don't, I ignore 
them. They are who they are. Arguing with them, as I used to do from 
time to time when I first came to FFL, felt like Brer Rabbit's 
kicking the tar-baby. The tar baby didn't get any cleaner, and I came 
away needing a good scrub. 

To change analogies, on closer look I found that I was trying to comb 
the mirror to fix my own unruly hair. The part of me that was 
irritated by them was often the very part I saw in them -- my inner 
fundamentalist, the one who was so certain he was right, the one who 
never saw the need to change, the one who had so little integrity he 
was projecting all his sins out onto others and damning them. 

Over the years I've come to see that almost always this little self-
righteous guy is generally *not* absolutely right -- in fact, he's 
almost always wrong, he didn't see the bigger picture. In my case, 
the bigger picture has turned out to be my feeling-level. On the 
feeling level, he's in pain; I am not as attracted to identify with 
the self-righteousness of the fundamentalist crusader as I once was. 
Nor do I hate him, as I once did -- the hate and the unconscious 
identification being two sides of the same coin. 

I've found this is the only way I can really reach the little guy -- 
through detachment. By neither hating nor identifying with him, I am 
free to love him, as he is. And that's more important to me than his 
being right or wrong. 

This is not to say that any of this is what You should or should not 
be doing, of course. Who am I to judge You? As far as I can see, I 
think what you're doing and who you are, is great. I am just trying 
to clarify why I don't care about their falsehoods. It's because I 
found that just behind caring who was right and who was wrong, was 
caring for the being who cared so much, and that being was in a lot 
of pain. Identifying with that being exclusively, had become 
intensely painful. Whether I was right or they were -- neither way 
worked for me. Either way, I lost! Or to put it another way, 
my belly won -- but my heart lost.

For me, since then, it is generally a great relief to realize it's 
not me; it's not them; it's a pattern between Us.

snip
 
 I truly don't understand that kind of thinking.
 Resistance to dishonesty should be a *reflex*, an
 instinct. It *should* be an addiction.

If you're enjoying this stance, I think it's great -- more power to 
you. 

For me, resistance = projection/identification = pain, and I 
generally prefer detachment/love, in this moment.

*L*L*L*




[FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown

2007-05-31 Thread vishvarupa108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ 
wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak 
geezerfreak@ 
  wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams
   willytex@ wrote:
   
Conny Larsson: God's Little Clown
 
Guru of Vedic Mantras
Meditation and Yoga Teacher
Lecturer on Spirituality
Psychic Healer
Trans-medium

http://tinyurl.com/ytdxf8
   
  Looks like Connie would need some Deep Meditation...
 
 The site willy links to is a pro Sai Baba propaganda site, which 
means
 pro pedophile pro magic tricks site, which seems dedicated to
 slandering everyone bringing out the truth about His Sliminess like
 Connie is doing.


Information is not 'slander' when it's true, verifiable and is 
referenced. And funny enough, many ex-devotees of Sathya Sai Baba 
believe (even to this day) that Sathya Sai Baba does possess genuine 
paranormal powers. Amusingly, they attribute these powers to a dark 
force and some have claimed that Sai Baba is an astral demon (how's 
that for rational)!

Let me sum up Conny's case against Sathya Sai Baba: Conny claimed he 
was sexually abused from 1979 to 1983 (a period of 4 years) by Sathya 
Sai Baba when he was an adult (31-34 years of age). Conny claimed 
that he knew that others were being sexually abused from 1986 to 1999 
(a period of 13 years) and he did absolutely nothing about it despite 
being a pyschotherapist himself. In 1999, after spending many hours 
with a deprogrammer, Conny Larsson all of a sudden recovered 39 year 
old suppressed memories of being sexually abused as a child, 
recovered memories that Sathya Sai Baba sexually abused him and at 
the same time realized Sathya Sai Baba was a fraud and cheat. A few 
months before his defection, Conny Larsson was recorded on audio 
tapes crying and sobbing uncontrollably, relating utterly astounding 
miracles he experienced with Sathya Sai Baba and professing his 
undying devotion to him.

Funny how people are more than willing to believe Conny's unsupported 
defamations against Sathya Sai Baba yet dismiss his numerous 
miraculous experiences. If Conny lied about Baba's powers, who is to 
say he is telling the truth now? If Conny was truthful about Baba's 
powers then why does everyone completely dismiss those experiences?

Unlike other gurus, Sathya Sai Baba has never been charged with any 
crime, sexual or otherwise. As a matter of fact, not even one alleged 
victim has even tried to file a basic police complaint or court case 
against Sai Baba in India. In all these years, there have been no 
complaints from children or parents of children that Sathya Sai Baba 
is a pedophile who molests children. Not even one single verifiable 
grievance, complaint, record, file or anything else for that matter.

Those who discuss the very disturbing online behavior of critics of 
Sathya Sai Baba (most of which is utterly obscene and profane) are 
subject to vicious defamation campaigns by ex-devotes. Yet I do not 
see anyone complaining about ex-devotees smear and hate campaigns. It 
appears critics and skeptics are allowed to engage in whatever 
behavior they choose with impunity and everyone else is held to a 
different standard. This type of behavior, in layman's terms, is 
called hypocrisy.



[FairfieldLife] Re: Stories

2007-05-31 Thread Duveyoung
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
One of Byron Katie's questions is Can you absolutely know that's
true? If you're really honest, the answer has to be no. Is there
anything we can know with absolute certainty, other than, perhaps, I am?
-

I'm going to riff on your statement, Rick. Doing this just to see how
it comes out -- for the thousandth time.

Funnily enough, having the thought, I am, is not pure amness being
experienced.  It is a thought, and during pure amness, hey, no thoughts.

Additionally, the ego is non-sentient. It is a process of the nervous
system -- it cannot know even one thing -- it is an activity, merely
one noise that accompanies all the other ways a nervous system can
make a noise -- only this particular noise gets an inordinate amount
of attention while the other dynamics of human experiencing are more
in the background.  

Quick, what message is your elbow saying to you right now?  See? It's
always there trying to get your attention too -- always cluing you in.
 Your whole damned shebang is trying to get attention, do its dance,
but the ego won't get off stage!

Amness is not an experience.  The ego is unified when one (ego) has
transcended-dissolved into amness, so there's no one to experience
anything -- other than our good old faithful Absolute.  The Absolute
is the only sentience -- amness is to Absolute as dummy is to
ventriloquist.

Amness is illusory.  A representation.  A symbol.  An activity of a
nervous system that, partially only, it is as close as a map can be to
the territory without being the territory. Brahma poses as Brahman and
fools everyone, including Himself.  Even the purity of amness cannot
find purchase on the Absolute which cannot be stained by any
conditional.  

When the ego re-emerges from transcendence, it REMEMBERS the amness --
that is, it has a thought about having had (been) that experience in
the very recent past.  That thought will seem to be UTTERLY VALID, but
it is just another thought that can merely at best symbolize unity
while being an act of duality.

Certainly we cannot doubt our own sentience.  BOTH my I's are here
when I'm in the waking state.  I (ego) am here now, and I (Absolute)
witness it with perfect stealthiness -- but no ego can catch me doing
it!  Once manifested out of the primal unity of amness, the ego says
I exist, but the Absolute says, That's what you're settling for?
Why not have all of non-existence too!  -- and then some!

Because the ego thinks that only it symbolizes sentience-witnessing,
the human experience is impoverished in that all the other symbols of
existing -- heart beats, breathing, paper cut pain, whatever -- are
not allowed to be honored as equally representative of the unbounded
fecundity of amness -- in a word, sacred -- as important as the ego --
deserving as much right to be objects of consciousness as the ego.

The heart speaks in its own way, right?  Don't nee no steekink thoughts!

Everything is talking to you.  The wholeness sings!  Unfortunately,
the ego thinks it's the star of the choir!

So, though the thought, I am is a bazzillionth of the whole of
experiencing, the ego is completely hoggy in grabbing one's identity.

Talk about being small as an atom!  Talk about being a nit instead of
a wit!

You always see that tiny little wandering monk way down at the bottom
of these huge paintings of Asian landscapes.  That's the right way to
think of the ego amongst the wilderness of its nervous system's many
operations.  These monks are humble, know their insignificant heft,
and are honored to be the pretend observer of the rest of creation.

Ah, that felt good.  I'll probably do it again soon.

Edg









 






Re: [FairfieldLife] Barbed Wire? (was Re: Vedic City takeover)

2007-05-31 Thread Sal Sunshine

On May 31, 2007, at 9:54 AM, Rick Archer wrote:

I would like to hear a confirmation of this barbed wire thing. I know 
that there were some instances of pundits and staff ducking under the 
existing fencing to go visit a friend or something. I wonder if barbed 
wire has been put up to prevent that?


Alright, I just got back from taking a look.  There is a high, 
wire-type fence up around the frats that might look from a distance 
like barbed wire, but isn't. What it is is a very high metal fence, 
with some type of covers on much of it to, you know, keep out the 
massive throngs that otherwise would undoubtedly be panting to get in.  
Not a real friendly-looking place, in other words.


Sal


[FairfieldLife] Barbed Wire? (was Re: Vedic City takeover)

2007-05-31 Thread boo_lives
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 On May 31, 2007, at 9:54 AM, Rick Archer wrote:
 
  I would like to hear a confirmation of this barbed wire thing. I know 
  that there were some instances of pundits and staff ducking under the 
  existing fencing to go visit a friend or something. I wonder if
barbed 
  wire has been put up to prevent that?
 
 Alright, I just got back from taking a look.  There is a high, 
 wire-type fence up around the frats that might look from a distance 
 like barbed wire, but isn't. What it is is a very high metal fence, 
 with some type of covers on much of it to, you know, keep out the 
 massive throngs that otherwise would undoubtedly be panting to get in.  
 Not a real friendly-looking place, in other words.
 
 Sal

But what about the new pundit compound out in vedic city??



Re: [FairfieldLife] Barbed Wire? (was Re: Vedic City takeover)

2007-05-31 Thread Sal Sunshine

On May 31, 2007, at 12:50 PM, boo_lives wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:


On May 31, 2007, at 9:54 AM, Rick Archer wrote:


I would like to hear a confirmation of this barbed wire thing. I know
that there were some instances of pundits and staff ducking under the
existing fencing to go visit a friend or something. I wonder if

barbed

wire has been put up to prevent that?


Alright, I just got back from taking a look.  There is a high,
wire-type fence up around the frats that might look from a distance
like barbed wire, but isn't. What it is is a very high metal fence,
with some type of covers on much of it to, you know, keep out the
massive throngs that otherwise would undoubtedly be panting to get in.
Not a real friendly-looking place, in other words.

Sal


But what about the new pundit compound out in vedic city??


So there's one out there too??  Maybe that's where they keep the TB 
cases. Anybody know where it is, exactly?  I'll be glad to go out and 
check if there really is one.  If so, this is the first I've heard of 
it.

Sal


[FairfieldLife] Barbed Wire? (was Re: Vedic City takeover)

2007-05-31 Thread ffia1120
Wrong place Sal. Not on campus.

This new compound (for want of a better word) is out on the right 
just past the Rukmapura. My TB friend said it was the new housing for 
the pundits. It sits WAY back off the road. The prefab housing is 
white, smaller than the original pundit housing now occupied by 
Mother Divine (beige colored houses), and has the small cone thingies 
on the roofs. There are also a couple of bigger buildings that may be 
dining/flying halls.  The fence facing the main road (next to 
Rukmapura) is green chain link. However, if you turn right onto the 
gravel road built for access to the new pundit compound, the fencing 
is barbed wire. I drove up to the gate (east facing) and it was 
closed with a chain and padlock. There also appeared to be cameras 
monitoring the gate.

I asked my TB friend why there was barbed wire and she said it was to 
protect the pundits.

If I have time tonight, I will drive out, snap a couple of pictures 
and post them here.

I had no idea pundit housing was being built out there until I asked 
my TB friend what the new digs were for.

Go take a look Sal.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 On May 31, 2007, at 9:54 AM, Rick Archer wrote:
 
  I would like to hear a confirmation of this barbed wire thing. I 
know 
  that there were some instances of pundits and staff ducking under 
the 
  existing fencing to go visit a friend or something. I wonder if 
barbed 
  wire has been put up to prevent that?
 
 Alright, I just got back from taking a look.  There is a high, 
 wire-type fence up around the frats that might look from a distance 
 like barbed wire, but isn't. What it is is a very high metal fence, 
 with some type of covers on much of it to, you know, keep out the 
 massive throngs that otherwise would undoubtedly be panting to get 
in.  
 Not a real friendly-looking place, in other words.
 
 Sal





[FairfieldLife] Barbed Wire?

2007-05-31 Thread ffia1120
Sal -- head out to the Rukmapura. Look to your left as you reach the 
Rukmapura. You'll see the compound sitting way back off the road. 
There is a gravel road that leads to it. Maybe the barbed wire fence 
is cheaper than the chain link fence facing the main road?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 On May 31, 2007, at 12:50 PM, boo_lives wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@
  wrote:
 
  On May 31, 2007, at 9:54 AM, Rick Archer wrote:
 
  I would like to hear a confirmation of this barbed wire thing. 
I know
  that there were some instances of pundits and staff ducking 
under the
  existing fencing to go visit a friend or something. I wonder if
  barbed
  wire has been put up to prevent that?
 
  Alright, I just got back from taking a look.  There is a high,
  wire-type fence up around the frats that might look from a 
distance
  like barbed wire, but isn't. What it is is a very high metal 
fence,
  with some type of covers on much of it to, you know, keep out the
  massive throngs that otherwise would undoubtedly be panting to 
get in.
  Not a real friendly-looking place, in other words.
 
  Sal
 
  But what about the new pundit compound out in vedic city??
 
 So there's one out there too??  Maybe that's where they keep the TB 
 cases. Anybody know where it is, exactly?  I'll be glad to go out 
and 
 check if there really is one.  If so, this is the first I've heard 
of 
 it.
 Sal





Re: [FairfieldLife] Barbed Wire?

2007-05-31 Thread Sal Sunshine

On May 31, 2007, at 1:58 PM, ffia1120 wrote:


Sal -- head out to the Rukmapura. Look to your left as you reach the
Rukmapura. You'll see the compound sitting way back off the road.
There is a gravel road that leads to it. Maybe the barbed wire fence
is cheaper than the chain link fence facing the main road?


Got it--I'm on my way as soon as I load up the dog--she wants to see 
this too. :)

Has to be one of the more bizarre things they've done.

Sal


[FairfieldLife] Advice Sought, Secular Meditation

2007-05-31 Thread dhamiltony2k5
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi,
 
 I'm new to this list, so I hope the following post is appropriate. 
It is 
 also somewhat lengthy, for which I apologise - conciseness was 
never my 
 strong point. But I am in search of a spot of advice, and wondered 
if anyone 
 here could help...
 large snip 
 There are, of course, non-mantra based meditations. But those that 
I have 
 encountered seem based around the breath. And although this would 
indeed 
 seem universal, what quiet I do find through TM comes when thought 
of breath 
 has fallen away (as a woodwind musician, I am rarely unaware of, if 
not 
 actively controlling, my breath).
 
 Hmm. I'm not sure there is a question in the above, so much as a 
seeking of 
 thoughts and opinion. Is the mantra used of importance? If so, why? 
If not, 
 why?! Do there by any chance exist other non mantra-based, non-
religious, 
 'aimless' meditations? Are my thought processes described above 
flawed? If 
 so, why and how?
 
 Anyways, thanks for reading this far, and any advice would be 
greatfully 
 received.
 
 John


Yes, check out some books by Dr. David R. Hawkins for instance.  
Western enlightened spiritual guy who gives out secular meditation 
practices.  For the longterm non-secular meditator his books and 
talks can be excellant advanced checking of spiritual experience.  

An Interesting synthesis in a life, of apex of Western and Eastern 
experience with meditation, spiritual experience and enlightenment 
as, secular.  Similar to Eastern veneer of 'gurus' from India or Asia 
 yet without the cultural non-secular trip-traps of their shows.

In his books there often are short description of productive secular 
spiritual practice meditation.

You might like his books for your experience.  Highly spiritual and 
like a modern-day Emerson.

-Doug in FF






RE: [FairfieldLife] Barbed Wire? (was Re: Vedic City takeover)

2007-05-31 Thread Rick Archer
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Sal Sunshine
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 10:50 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Barbed Wire? (was Re: Vedic City takeover)

 

On May 31, 2007, at 8:37 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:

 Um, I beg your pardon, but did you say barbed wire?

It's obviously to keep all the crazy, wild women of FF away from the 
pundits' purity.

Is it even legal to use that for people?

I'll go down in a few minutes to see if it's really barbed wire. This 
I gotta see.

It may not be the compound on campus but the one up in Vedic City.

 



[FairfieldLife] India Without the Slogans | TIME

2007-05-31 Thread Rick Archer
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1624905,00.html 



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