[FairfieldLife] Re: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ wrote: I'm curious to know what ordinary mortals feel in these SV buildings. Anybody have anything to report? I have spent very little time in SV bldgs, but I have felt a clear uplifting quality on entering these bldgs. I had the same sensation when I entered the old SRM (Charlie Lutes organization in TM- ville) bldg in W. Los Angeles, where thousands of initations had been performed: a feeling of being lighter, a feeling of bliss and greater self-awareness. The SRM bldg was not SV-compliant (it had north and west entrances, but at least it did not have a south entrance), but the experience was clear and persistent through many visits, and I am not given to bliss-ninny mood-making -- I have had the same experience on entering the SV bldgs in Fairfield, so I would definitely spring for a compliant house, and plan to do so as soon as I pay off the repair and upgrades on my aircraft. One fellow I know in Australia lived in a very non-SV building and descided to just make a small correction to the entrance so at least that would face north. Within three weeks he met the woman in his life, after 4 months he won a huge sum in the lottery. More importantly he claims his meditations are more quiet, Sidhis more clear than before and his general support of nature more pronounced. The cost of the adjustment was 3000$ On the other hand, my next door neighbor changed the entrance of his front door from south to west and two years later his young wife died suddenly and unexpectedly. :-) *** West is only slightly less inauspicious than south for entrances.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ wrote: I'm curious to know what ordinary mortals feel in these SV buildings. Anybody have anything to report? I have spent very little time in SV bldgs, but I have felt a clear uplifting quality on entering these bldgs. I had the same sensation when I entered the old SRM (Charlie Lutes organization in TM- ville) bldg in W. Los Angeles, where thousands of initations had been performed: a feeling of being lighter, a feeling of bliss and greater self-awareness. That was because Fleetwood Mac used to record in the studios downstairs. You can get the same uplifting hit by going to the beauty parlor on San Vicente where Stevie Nicks used to get her nails done. It's become somewhat of a place of pilgrimage, with thousands of seekers per month coming to lay flowers at the base of the revolving chair where she sat and had the holy work done. I hear they sell her fingernail clippings as holy icons. :-) ** You must be downwind of that Eyetalian air: http://tinyurl.com/ypphvv
[FairfieldLife] Re: Using eminent domain to take a farmer's land in Vedic City
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, george_deforest george.deforest@ wrote: people here on FFL seem to be jumping to the conclusion that Vedic City is automatically wrong for this aggressiveness. (just like the grand-standing county supervisors want you to) They ARE automatically wrong. They should pay the farmer what he is asking, or if they deem his price above market value, then they wait. The insidious thing about eminent domain seizures is that they create a precedent that can then be exercised more loosely next time the city wants to annex land. And please give me a break- I've seen pictures of the booming metropolis of so called Vedic City, and they honestly don't need more land, and won't for quite a while...:-) This situation is EXACTLY the kind of PR nightmare the community doesn't need. They should pay the guy what he wants for his property. Or, better yet, buy acreage for a city park within VC. Is there some legal reason why VC can't pull their eminent domain stunt against Global Country, which owns hundreds and hundreds of undeveloped acres inside VC? ** The real reason VC wants the land is to stop the guy from building a hog lot on his farm: Palm, who met with the supervisors in March about the process of building a hog confinement, confirmed this morning that he is pursuing a confinement and has contacted the Department of Natural Resources, as well as a contractor. The bottom line is we believe that the whole process is to stop our progression with the farming operation, Ron Palm said. today's Fairfield Ledger: http://tinyurl.com/28z6bl Thanks, Bob. That puts the story into an entirely different perspective.
Re: [FairfieldLife] [FairfieldLife] Barbed Wire?
Looks like a solar charged electric fence. I'll pass it on to the Indian community. Sal Sunshine wrote: On May 31, 2007, at 1:54 PM, ffia1120 wrote: Sal -- head out to the Rukmapura. Look to your left as you reach the Rukmapura. You'll see the compound sitting way back off the road. There is a gravel road that leads to it. Maybe the barbed wire fence is cheaper than the chain link fence facing the main road? Yeah, maybe. And maybe the people who think up this kind of idiocy are just plain nuts. I mean, what is the point of putting up a large fence when there is absolutely nowhere to go? What are they afraid of--that the pundits might sneak out and have a wild night at the Rukmapura, perhaps? LIke they wouldn't be noticed there? And this is the group that is bringing world peace--prisoners in a compound surrounded by barbed wire. And to top it all off, they have cameras mounted on poles at the entrance. What's next--towers with machine guns? Aushwitz, anyone? Sure looks like a fun place to be. How come there's always $$ for projects like this but so little to beautify the campus already in existence? Take a look at the photos for a good idea of how unfriendly and out-of-place this compound looks amidst the cornfields. The sun was really bright so I couldn't get as much detail as Id have liked, but you get the general idea. It's just a blight on the whole area. Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Using eminent domain to take a farmer's land in Vedic City
On May 31, 2007, at 5:01 PM, Alex Stanley wrote: The real reason VC wants the land is to stop the guy from building a hog lot on his farm: Palm, who met with the supervisors in March about the process of building a hog confinement, confirmed this morning that he is pursuing a confinement and has contacted the Department of Natural Resources, as well as a contractor. The bottom line is we believe that the whole process is to stop our progression with the farming operation, Ron Palm said. today's Fairfield Ledger: http://tinyurl.com/28z6bl Thanks, Bob. That puts the story into an entirely different perspective. What nonsense, Alex. Whatever the alleged reason, it does not give them license to act like pr*cks. Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] [FairfieldLife] Barbed Wire?
On May 31, 2007, at 6:04 PM, Sal Sunshine wrote: Yeah, maybe. And maybe the people who think up this kind of idiocy are just plain nuts. I mean, what is the point of putting up a large fence when there is absolutely nowhere to go? What are they afraid of--that the pundits might sneak out and have a wild night at the Rukmapura, perhaps? LIke they wouldn't be noticed there? And this is the group that is bringing world peace--prisoners in a compound surrounded by barbed wire. And to top it all off, they have cameras mounted on poles at the entrance. What's next--towers with machine guns? Aushwitz, anyone? Sure looks like a fun place to be. How come there's always $$ for projects like this but so little to beautify the campus already in existence? Take a look at the photos for a good idea of how unfriendly and out-of-place this compound looks amidst the cornfields. The sun was really bright so I couldn't get as much detail as Id have liked, but you get the general idea. It's just a blight on the whole area. I wouldn't worry, that looks like Maharishi Dhanur Ved barbed wire to me. No worry, it's in accord with Natural Law and is Unified Field based fencing. It reflects the 'do not touch me I or I will cut thee' aspect of the Unified Field. Time to call Human rights groups? They'd love these picture, although it would be better if you could get some pundits in the picts. I suggest leaving a gold box of gulab jamin by the fence.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Barbed Wire?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On May 31, 2007, at 1:58 PM, ffia1120 wrote: Sal -- head out to the Rukmapura. Look to your left as you reach the Rukmapura. You'll see the compound sitting way back off the road. There is a gravel road that leads to it. Maybe the barbed wire fence is cheaper than the chain link fence facing the main road? Got it--I'm on my way as soon as I load up the dog--she wants to see this too. :) Has to be one of the more bizarre things they've done. Sal God you people need to get a life. Barbed wire is often used to keep animals in or out around farms and farmland. Cows, deer, horses, sheep, pigs, camels. It is one strand of barbed wire and not one human on Earth could be kept in or out by that for a second. Obviously people like Turquoise and the other loonies here would get withdrawel symptoms if they stepped foot into the countryside and went near a farm or a mountain to find out how the real world actually functions. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of vishvarupa108 Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 11:52 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown In all these years, there have been no complaints from children or parents of children that Sathya Sai Baba is a pedophile who molests children. Not even one single verifiable grievance, complaint, record, file or anything else for that matter. That isn't true. I watched a one-hour documentary, perhaps produced by the BBC, about an American family whose son was sexually molested by Sai Baba from an early age. Andy Rymer admits to having had sexual interaction with SB. And many others. He hasn't been arrested because the Indian police are on the payroll. Rick Archer, and where is your objective and verifiable proof that the Indian police are on Sai Baba's payroll? It sounds to me like you (like ex-devotees) cannot make a factual argument against Sai Baba so you must resort to specious conspiracy theories. Show us the proof. We would all like to see it. And it is obvious that you have not kept up with the Sai Controversy. The one hour documentary you are referring to is the 'Secret Swami' Documentary and there has been a major update regarding its prime witness, Alaya Rahm. Alaya Rahm self-dismissed his own lawsuit against the Sathya Sai Baba Society Of America after Lewis Kreydick (a witness Alaya cited in court documents - who was present with him on his first trip and in most of his interviews) came forward and refuted all of his claims. I will not go into detail here, because it is easily available on the internet. Also, Alaya Rahm claimed the sexual abuse started when he was 18 and an adult. Prior to that, he claimed he received a non- sexual oiling when he was 16 and the scans to Kreydick's testimony are very revealing about Alaya's demeanor. Kreydick was the person who voluntarily took Alaya to India on his first visit: http://www.saisathyasai.com/Rahm-Public-Court-Records/ http://www.saisathyasai.com/Rahm-Public-Court- Records/critics_alaya_rahm_failed_lawsuit.html http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Ex-Baba.com/A-AlayaRahm/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Barbed Wire?
On May 31, 2007, at 5:33 PM, off_world_beings wrote: God you people need to get a life. Barbed wire is often used to keep animals in or out around farms and farmland. Cows, deer, horses, sheep, pigs, camels. There are none, at least no cows, horses, sheep or pigs anywhere in the area, and if there were, presumably their owners would have them fenced in. I doubt there's many deer. Must be the camels they're trying to keep out. It is one strand of barbed wire and not one human on Earth could be kept in or out by that for a second. Actually there's at least 4 or 5 strands (not easy to se e in the picture, I know. Like I said, the sun was really bright). Obviously people like Turquoise and the other loonies here would get withdrawel symptoms if they stepped foot into the countryside and went near a farm or a mountain to find out how the real world actually functions. Takes one to know one, Off. The real world lives behind barbed wire, with cameras at their entries? Thanks for the news. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Using eminent domain to take a farmer's land in Vedic City
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On May 31, 2007, at 5:01 PM, Alex Stanley wrote: The real reason VC wants the land is to stop the guy from building a hog lot on his farm: Palm, who met with the supervisors in March about the process of building a hog confinement, confirmed this morning that he is pursuing a confinement and has contacted the Department of Natural Resources, as well as a contractor. The bottom line is we believe that the whole process is to stop our progression with the farming operation, Ron Palm said. today's Fairfield Ledger: http://tinyurl.com/28z6bl Thanks, Bob. That puts the story into an entirely different perspective. What nonsense, Alex. Whatever the alleged reason, it does not give them license to act like pr*cks. IMO, the fact that the pork industry paid for laws to be passed that allow zero local control of such quality-of-life destroying, environmental nuisances leaves VC little choice. Ugly laws let farmers negatively impact their neighbors with these filth factories, and ugly eminent domain laws may let one neighbor fight back. If anything, it's a case of pr*ck vs. pr*ck.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Barbed Wire?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On May 31, 2007, at 5:33 PM, off_world_beings wrote: God you people need to get a life. Barbed wire is often used to keep animals in or out around farms and farmland. Cows, deer, horses, sheep, pigs, camels. There are none, at least no cows, horses, sheep or pigs anywhere in the area, and if there were, presumably their owners would have them fenced in. I doubt there's many deer. Must be the camels they're trying to keep out. Deers and Camels. It is one strand of barbed wire and not one human on Earth could be kept in or out by that for a second. Actually there's at least 4 or 5 strands (not easy to se e in the picture, I know. Like I said, the sun was really bright). Picture doesn't show up. Obviously people like Turquoise and the other loonies here would get withdrawel symptoms if they stepped foot into the countryside and went near a farm or a mountain to find out how the real world actually functions. Takes one to know one, Off. The real world lives behind barbed wire, with cameras at their entries? The real world is not a bunch of city slickers living in the country getting all uppity about a barbed wire fence. Which ignorant city did you evolve in Sal? OffWorld
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Barbed Wire?
On May 31, 2007, at 6:06 PM, off_world_beings wrote: The real world is not a bunch of city slickers living in the country getting all uppity about a barbed wire fence. Which ignorant city did you evolve in Sal? Chicago, where presumably they have much bigger problems than they do out here and, oddly enough, I've never seen a barbed wire fence there, not even once. Must not be enough camels. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Stories
TurquoiseB wrote: Maharishi is one of the greatest spiritual teachers the world has ever known. He is a living saint, fully enlightened, and thus incapable of doing anything that is not fully in accord with the laws of nature. There- fore anything that anyone says against him is false, and indicates that the person saying it is either deluded or has some malevolent intent towards this great saint. He's one of the world's 'good guys,' and anyone who speaks ill of him is a 'bad guy.' Maharishi is a con man who has systematically ripped off the gullible seekers who have followed him for decades. He promises them everything -- including enlightenment -- and delivers on almost nothing. And to protect himself he has created an autocracy that punishes any questioning of his authority or his essential 'right' to dictate to his followers what they should do and think with excommunication or worse (legal action should they violate the copy- rights he has taken out on common domain techniques and knowledge). He's a 'bad guy,' and anyone who tells the 'truth' about him (as defined above) is a 'good guy.' Global warming is a serious problem that threatens the future of humanity and the Earth, and those who attempt to diminish its importance are enemies of humanity. Global warming is a scam perpetrated by 'scientists' who are in it for the money, and who are putting over one of the biggest frauds in history on their fellow human beings. Polticians of the Republican/Democratic Party (pick one) are 'good guys' who have the welfare of the population as a whole in their hearts. Anyone who says something negative about them is doing so because they *oppose* the welfare of the population as a whole. Such people are liars and are not to be trusted. Polticians of the Republican/Democratic Party (pick one) are 'bad guys' who have sold out to the interests of those who control them from behind the scenes. The only thing they care about is themselves, and putting more money and more power in their pockets. Anyone who says something negative about them is doing so because they *oppose* these self-interested actions, and are acting from a sense of heroism, 'protecting' the welfare of the population as a whole. Such people are heroes and are to be trusted implicitly because they *are* heroes. I am 'right' because because the sources I have quoted to support my position are 'better' than yours. You are 'wrong' because because the sources you have quoted to support your position are 'lesser' than mine. My view of who I am and what I do and why I do it is 'correct' and yours is 'incorrect,' because I say so. No one could *possibly* believe the things you're saying about me, so the fact that you're saying them means that you are intentionally 'lying' about me. Your view of who you am and what you do and why you do it is 'incorrect' and mine is 'correct,' because I say so. I *do* believe the things I'm saying about you, and you just can't handle the possibility that they're true. What do all these stories have in common? First, obviously, they're all Just Stories. NONE of them are 'true' or 'truth' -- they're just stories that we tell ourselves and others. jstein wrote: Actually, that's not true. Actually, this is deceiving - they are all true stories.
[FairfieldLife] In TM, is the mantra empowered by MMY, or Guru Dev?
*Adhikara* is a term used to describe the 'transference' of the power of the 'guru' to the chela via the mantra. If there is no illuminative state in the consciousness of the giver, no transference can take placethere is NO adhi-kara. Swami G.Kriyananda Anybody know the TM position on thisor?
[FairfieldLife] Re: 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0
Bhairitu wrote: You drink the kool-aid and I listen to people who actually worked on Vista. So, you bought a cheap Intel notebook with Vista on it, but I'm the one drinking the kool-aid. How do you like paying those double FICA taxes? ...if you were paying attention you would have learned that to make sure some software I've developed works on Vista I purchased a Vista notebook.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Using eminent domain to take a farmer's land in Vedic City
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, george_deforest george.deforest@ wrote: people here on FFL seem to be jumping to the conclusion that Vedic City is automatically wrong for this aggressiveness. (just like the grand-standing county supervisors want you to) They ARE automatically wrong. They should pay the farmer what he is asking, or if they deem his price above market value, then they wait. The insidious thing about eminent domain seizures is that they create a precedent that can then be exercised more loosely next time the city wants to annex land. And please give me a break- I've seen pictures of the booming metropolis of so called Vedic City, and they honestly don't need more land, and won't for quite a while...:-) This situation is EXACTLY the kind of PR nightmare the community doesn't need. They should pay the guy what he wants for his property. Or, better yet, buy acreage for a city park within VC. Is there some legal reason why VC can't pull their eminent domain stunt against Global Country, which owns hundreds and hundreds of undeveloped acres inside VC? ** The real reason VC wants the land is to stop the guy from building a hog lot on his farm: Palm, who met with the supervisors in March about the process of building a hog confinement, confirmed this morning that he is pursuing a confinement and has contacted the Department of Natural Resources, as well as a contractor. The bottom line is we believe that the whole process is to stop our progression with the farming operation, Ron Palm said. today's Fairfield Ledger: http://tinyurl.com/28z6bl Thanks, Bob. That puts the story into an entirely different perspective. I'll just sit here and enjoy my delicious C-L-T sandwich; Crow, Lettuce, and Tomato, that is. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Barbed Wire?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Somebody should sneak a tape of The Great Escape into the pundits - it's a great movie and might give them some good ideas.
[FairfieldLife] Re: In TM, is the mantra empowered by MMY, or Guru Dev?
Billy wrote: *Adhikara* is a term used to describe the 'transference' of the power of the 'guru' to the chela via the mantra. Anybody know the TM position on thisor? Billy - According to Sri Vidya, the very instant you recieve the bija mantra from the guru you are in the enlightened state. That's because the bija mantra IS the Adhikara, the total sum of Vac, the Goddess of Speech. All you need to do after that is burn off your accumulated karma through tapas, inner heat. That's the Secret of the Three Cities, Tripurasundari. If there is no illuminative state in the consciousness of the giver, no transference can take placethere is NO adhi-kara. - Swami G. Kriyananda Word-sound, not own-sound, non-person to do it; body-heaps a-turning, common sound seen-to-wit, a fellow, That, not mine. - Tejas Wallah
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Using eminent domain to take a farmer's land in Vedic City
On May 31, 2007, at 6:13 PM, Alex Stanley wrote: What nonsense, Alex. Whatever the alleged reason, it does not give them license to act like pr*cks. IMO, the fact that the pork industry paid for laws to be passed that allow zero local control of such quality-of-life destroying, environmental nuisances leaves VC little choice. Ugly laws let farmers negatively impact their neighbors with these filth factories, and ugly eminent domain laws may let one neighbor fight back. If anything, it's a case of pr*ck vs. pr*ck. Yeah, it's a shitty situation, Alex, I agree with you. But in this particular case, starting a petition, writing letters to the newspaper, and about a hundred other ways of alerting people to a potential problem would be a lot more effective than basically trying to steal someone's farm for pennies. That just alienates most others who might have agreed with them had they not been so underhanded. And if this does go through--which I doubt at this point--wouldn't that be proof if ever there was proof, of how effective karma can be? And aren't they the ones who are always rationalizing other's bad luck by saying it's just their karma coming back? Well, now maybe they'll get a whiff of their own--one load of crap wafting in the direction of another. Perfect poetic justice if you ask me. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, vishvarupa108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of vishvarupa108 Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 11:52 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown In all these years, there have been no complaints from children or parents of children that Sathya Sai Baba is a pedophile who molests children. Not even one single verifiable grievance, complaint, record, file or anything else for that matter. That isn't true. I watched a one-hour documentary, perhaps produced by the BBC, about an American family whose son was sexually molested by Sai Baba from an early age. Andy Rymer admits to having had sexual interaction with SB. And many others. He hasn't been arrested because the Indian police are on the payroll. Rick Archer, and where is your objective and verifiable proof that the Indian police are on Sai Baba's payroll? It sounds to me like you (like ex-devotees) cannot make a factual argument against Sai Baba so you must resort to specious conspiracy theories. Show us the proof. We would all like to see it. And it is obvious that you have not kept up with the Sai Controversy. The one hour documentary you are referring to is the 'Secret Swami' Documentary and there has been a major update regarding its prime witness, Alaya Rahm. Alaya Rahm self-dismissed his own lawsuit against the Sathya Sai Baba Society Of America after Lewis Kreydick (a witness Alaya cited in court documents - who was present with him on his first trip and in most of his interviews) came forward and refuted all of his claims. I will not go into detail here, because it is easily available on the internet. Also, Alaya Rahm claimed the sexual abuse started when he was 18 and an adult. Prior to that, he claimed he received a non- sexual oiling when he was 16 and the scans to Kreydick's testimony are very revealing about Alaya's demeanor. Kreydick was the person who voluntarily took Alaya to India on his first visit: http://www.saisathyasai.com/Rahm-Public-Court-Records/ http://www.saisathyasai.com/Rahm-Public-Court- Records/critics_alaya_rahm_failed_lawsuit.html http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Ex-Baba.com/A-AlayaRahm/ I hope Sai is paying you a good legal fee out of his billions to spread his cult's pathetic reasoning - there's no document showing the pay schedule with local law enforcement so obviously it can't be - there's no video of the molestations that take place within Sai's heavily guarded with weapons private quarters, so the dozens of reports by credible witnesses can't be true. Your references to Sai's adoring website are meaningless. Have Sai come over to the US and face a US court and doctors' examination records of several children of former US devotees. His proven on video magic tricks won't help him a bit.
[FairfieldLife] Re: In TM, is the mantra empowered by MMY, or Guru Dev?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Billy wrote: *Adhikara* is a term used to describe the 'transference' of the power of the 'guru' to the chela via the mantra. Anybody know the TM position on thisor? Billy - According to Sri Vidya, the very instant you recieve the bija mantra from the guru you are in the enlightened state. That's because the bija mantra IS the Adhikara, the total sum of Vac, the Goddess of Speech. All you need to do after that is burn off your accumulated karma through tapas, inner heat. That's the Secret of the Three Cities, Tripurasundari. If there is no illuminative state in the consciousness of the giver, no transference can take placethere is NO adhi-kara. - Swami G. Kriyananda Word-sound, not own-sound, non-person to do it; body-heaps a-turning, common sound seen-to-wit, a fellow, That, not mine. - Tejas Wallah That would be my guess as well, but certainly you've heard of this phenomenon.a friend of mine, a disciple of Rajinder Singh's group believe that the mantra must be ensouled by a **guru**. MMY is not a guru, but a Maharishi; whatever, thanks for your input.
[FairfieldLife] Al Gore gives the Vedic greeting sign
Al Gore gives the Vedic greeting sign at the very beginning of this video. Astounding ! What gives? An American public figure not cow-towing to the christian low-life hoardes? http://youtube.com/watch?v=jdPcwwK5DII
[FairfieldLife] A Valerie Flame Name Game
Valerie Wilson was a covert CIA operative in the counter-proliferation division of the CIA, according to Mr. Fitzgerald. Hey! Is that the same attorney Fitzgerald who helped defend the so-called blind shiek? So, Val drove to CIA headquarters every day in her own car right through the front gate. And she used the secret spy name Valerie Plame, the same maiden name that her husband Joe used in listing her in 'Who's Who' in Washington D.C. Joe went to Niger and drank mint tea. When Joe came back he lied to the press and asserted that it was the Vice President's office that sent him, when in fact, his wife had sent him. However, in the five years before the so-called outing, Val married Joe, Val got pregnant with twins, got maternity leave, then suffered postpartum depression, but somehow managed to travel covertly for the CIA to several countries. Go figure. And the 9-11 Committee found conclusively that Iraq WAS attempting to procure uranium from Africa! 'Plame was 'covert' Agent at Time of Name Leak' By Joel Seidman NBC News, May 29, 2007 http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18924679/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Barbed Wire?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On May 31, 2007, at 6:06 PM, off_world_beings wrote: The real world is not a bunch of city slickers living in the country getting all uppity about a barbed wire fence. Which ignorant city did you evolve in Sal? Chicago, where presumably they have much bigger problems than they do out here and, oddly enough, I've never seen a barbed wire fence there, not even once. Must not be enough camels. Barbed wire is mostly used by farmers in the countryside dear. And I see a lot of camels in Vermont believe it or not. (not kiddin') However, Chicago is a hell hole and all city slickers are ignorant fools compared to us true country boys. No really, people who evolvoed in cities are idiots. I've never met an intelligent one. But I am sure you are preparing yourself well out there in FF for your next lifetime as a real person born and bred in the country. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: Barbed Wire?
boo_lives wrote: Somebody should sneak a tape of The Great Escape into the pundits - it's a great movie and might give them some good ideas. or, maybe the pundits are reclusive celebrities, who -like- the idea of barbed wire and cameras; and maybe they see the hordes of American roos as papparazzi.
Re: [FairfieldLife] In TM, is the mantra empowered by MMY, or Guru Dev?
On May 31, 2007, at 7:36 PM, BillyG. wrote: *Adhikara* is a term used to describe the 'transference' of the power of the 'guru' to the chela via the mantra. If there is no illuminative state in the consciousness of the giver, no transference can take placethere is NO adhi-kara. Swami G.Kriyananda Sorry to burst your bubble Billy, but that is not what adhikara style mantra means at all. In terms of mantra diksha, there are two important types. One is by puja and the other is by adhikara. TM mantras are given by puja, not by adhikara. Adhikara mantra is a mantra given after the guru observes a student for whatever is needed to understand what needs to be given--but it is always given based on the unique propensity of the student, they are not dispensed via mere puja, the inferior and more haphazard method.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Using eminent domain to take a farmer's land in Vedic City
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On May 31, 2007, at 6:13 PM, Alex Stanley wrote: What nonsense, Alex. Whatever the alleged reason, it does not give them license to act like pr*cks. IMO, the fact that the pork industry paid for laws to be passed that allow zero local control of such quality-of-life destroying, environmental nuisances leaves VC little choice. Ugly laws let farmers negatively impact their neighbors with these filth factories, and ugly eminent domain laws may let one neighbor fight back. If anything, it's a case of pr*ck vs. pr*ck. Yeah, it's a shitty situation, Alex, I agree with you. But in this particular case, starting a petition, writing letters to the newspaper, and about a hundred other ways of alerting people to a potential problem would be a lot more effective than basically trying to steal someone's farm for pennies. That just alienates most others who might have agreed with them had they not been so underhanded. And if this does go through--which I doubt at this point--wouldn't that be proof if ever there was proof, of how effective karma can be? And aren't they the ones who are always rationalizing other's bad luck by saying it's just their karma coming back? Well, now maybe they'll get a whiff of their own--one load of crap wafting in the direction of another. Perfect poetic justice if you ask me. Sal What a mean-spirited perspective - Lighten - Up on VC ! ANY responsible community would ACTIVELY attempt to prevent installation of a hog lot, and the process of eminent domain is justified in this case. VC won't get skewered for using eminent domain to prevent the creation of a hog lot. Farmer Palm should receive monetary value equal to the farm's present use, not some imagined value of what it might be worth were it a hog lot. Farmer Palm is NOT acting good neighbor, with his extortion-like plans, and his claims of being a victim. Were he to continue the present use of his farm, VC would probably never have issue with him.
Re: [FairfieldLife] A Valerie Flame Name Game
Richard J. Williams wrote: Valerie Wilson was a covert CIA operative in the counter-proliferation division of the CIA, according to Mr. Fitzgerald. Hey! Is that the same attorney Fitzgerald who helped defend the so-called blind shiek? So, Val drove to CIA headquarters every day in her own car right through the front gate. And she used the secret spy name Valerie Plame, the same maiden name that her husband Joe used in listing her in 'Who's Who' in Washington D.C. Joe went to Niger and drank mint tea. When Joe came back he lied to the press and asserted that it was the Vice President's office that sent him, when in fact, his wife had sent him. However, in the five years before the so-called outing, Val married Joe, Val got pregnant with twins, got maternity leave, then suffered postpartum depression, but somehow managed to travel covertly for the CIA to several countries. Go figure. And the 9-11 Committee found conclusively that Iraq WAS attempting to procure uranium from Africa! 'Plame was 'covert' Agent at Time of Name Leak' By Joel Seidman NBC News, May 29, 2007 http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18924679/ I thought this guy kicked your butt pretty good over on a.m.t with his response: Your team of profligate liars and racketeers lost in '06 and continues to lose. Get over it -- even though you behave like you're on their team by perpetuating their lying, they'd just as soon kill you as look at you. They're the enemies of a strong and prosperous American middle class and even more hostile to unskilled serfs like you -- to them you are what Lenin called a (minimally) useful idiot who'll repeat old talking points like a robot. If there's anything less repectable than such a dupe, it's an overtly dopey dupe like you. Now, would you like some -- Go Figure cheese with your whine?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Stories
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cute stories, and good point. Although, I have met a few people for whom the last story seems to have *been* a fact. As Stephen King once said in one of his books, God has a special provenance for babies, small children, and the terminally stoned. All 3 *sometimes* escape unscathed from circumstances that bring others down, including having no income. Think the Purusha guys who have managed to get other people to pay for their lives for years, although I'm not sure which of King's three categories they fall into. :-) That joke aside, there seems to me a strong difference between things that *clearly* fall into the realm of facts that can be determined using empirical methods and those that cannot, and should be more rightly classed in the realm of opinion. Yes. That is the point I was trying to illustrate. And even fact is not 100% certainty. All truth claims have some probability 0 and 1 of being correct. And that assessment of probabilities may vary from person to person. In that regard I agree with where I thought you were headed -- that no knowledge or truth claim or model is 100% certain. It may predict well 99.% of the time, but it still is not absolute ceratinty. What I don't agree with is the notion (and I am not saying you were advocating this) that since nothing is certain, all claims are equally valid. I think that most of us are capable of determining which is which, and of acting appropriately in the real world, most of the time. But here on FFL the distinc- tion often seems to be blurred. But let's get back to the stories *I* told earlier. I still think they're all Just Stories, and *don't* deserve to be classed as Fact. Do you disagree? The Global Warming one stood out for me. While it is not certain, the degree of certainty has been rising for several decades. With the recent UN reports, IMO, its beyond 99% established. Thus what I infered from your story, not that you intended to imply it, was that both stories are equally valid. The latter one is quack bait compared the former. Even while neither is certain. Can you propose a set of empirical methods by which the truth of any of them can be determined to the point that they could be considered Facts? If what you mean by facts is 100% certainty, thats not the model I work with or beleive in. As I said, the Global warming one has far more wieght in the first one than the latter. I'm not challeng- ing the gist of what you said; it deserved to be said. I'm just curious. Here they are again: As with all things, I think there is at least some truth in each story. And some possibility that it may be valid. but it may be 99/1, or 80/20 or 50/50. Not often precisely the latter. Maharishi is one of the greatest spiritual teachers the world has ever known. He is a living saint, fully enlightened, and thus incapable of doing anything that is not fully in accord with the laws of nature. There- fore anything that anyone says against him is false, and indicates that the person saying it is either deluded or has some malevolent intent towards this great saint. He's one of the world's 'good guys,' and anyone who speaks ill of him is a 'bad guy.' Maharishi is a con man who has systematically ripped off the gullible seekers who have followed him for decades. He promises them everything -- including enlightenment -- and delivers on almost nothing. And to protect himself he has created an autocracy that punishes any questioning of his authority or his essential 'right' to dictate to his followers what they should do and think with excommunication or worse (legal action should they violate the copy- rights he has taken out on common domain techniques and knowledge). He's a 'bad guy,' and anyone who tells the 'truth' about him (as defined above) is a 'good guy.' Global warming is a serious problem that threatens the future of humanity and the Earth, and those who attempt to diminish its importance are enemies of humanity. Global warming is a scam perpetrated by 'scientists' who are in it for the money, and who are putting over one of the biggest frauds in history on their fellow human beings. Polticians of the Republican/Democratic Party (pick one) are 'good guys' who have the welfare of the population as a whole in their hearts. Anyone who says something negative about them is doing so because they *oppose* the welfare of the population as a whole. Such people are liars and are not to be trusted. Polticians of the Republican/Democratic Party (pick one) are 'bad guys' who have sold out to the interests of those who control them from behind the scenes. The only thing they care about is themselves, and putting more money and more power in their pockets. Anyone who says something negative about them is doing so because they *oppose* these self-interested actions, and are
[FairfieldLife] Re: Stories
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of Byron Katie's questions is Can you absolutely know that's true? If you're really honest, the answer has to be no. Which of course does not imply that all things have an equal dgree of certainty. (Not that you were implying that.) Is there anything we can know with absolute certainty, other than, perhaps, I am? Perhaps, but thats a longer post.
[FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of vishvarupa108 Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 11:52 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown In all these years, there have been no complaints from children or parents of children that Sathya Sai Baba is a pedophile who molests children. Not even one single verifiable grievance, complaint, record, file or anything else for that matter. That isn't true. I watched a one-hour documentary, perhaps produced by the BBC, about an American family whose son was sexually molested by Sai Baba from an early age. Andy Rymer admits to having had sexual interaction with SB. And many others. He hasn't been arrested because the Indian police are on the payroll. *** This is a PERFECT example as to how people can be duped by the media. Sorry Rick but Alaya Rahm was EIGHTEEN years old in 1997 when he alleges he was molested around 20 times, according to him using the alias Sam Young in the Divine Downfall interview with Mick Brown. It turns out he only had SEVEN interviews alone. When I first starting researching these facts almost five years ago I was aghast to find out ALL the accusers where ADULT MALES, all except two are white. Isn't it interesting that in all these years we cannot find even ONE child, much less ONE Indian child who is accusing Sai Baba of being abused? All the accusations regarding children are SECOND-HAND stories from Larsson, Bailey, et al.. Combine this with the KNOWN and documentable fact that NOT one person has EVER even TRIED to file charges with the police and it smells of nothing but a racist smear campaign. Even Tony Blair is an alleged 2003 letter to Tony Colman reminded him that alleged victims MUST file charges with Indian police. Now with all the money that Larsson is supposed to have, can you please tell me WHY he has not lifted a finger to see that any of these alleged victims he bellows about file charges like they are suppoed to? Proof: http://www.saipetition.net/letter.htm And maybe since you seem to know Larsson so well, you can ask him since he, like all the other adult males accusers, is in hidig and will not answer questions about his contradictory accusations, WHY he claimed to have received a resignation letter from Hislop in 1973 when the documentation clearly shows Hislop left the TM movement in 1968? In addition to this, Larsson claims in later talks he gave in 1997 and 1998 that he had NEVER heard of Sai Baba until 1978 when he stated he was saved by Sai Baba in Sri Lanka. This also contradicts his statements regarding the alleged 1973 Hislop letter as Larsson claimed MMY told Conny to tell Hislop not to follow Sai Baba in letter to Hislop. We will be PERFECTLY happy to deal with FACTS rather than unproven accusations and generalities.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of conscientiousobjector2000 Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 10:00 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown And maybe since you seem to know Larsson so well, you can ask him since he, like all the other adult males accusers, is in hidig and will not answer questions about his contradictory accusations, WHY he claimed to have received a resignation letter from Hislop in 1973 when the documentation clearly shows Hislop left the TM movement in 1968? I don't claim to be an expert on Sai Baba. I forwarded your post to Conny and will post his response. So we can understand who we're talking to, (your email [EMAIL PROTECTED] gives us a hint) please answer the following questions: Do you believe that Sai Baba regularly had sexual relations with young men? Are you sure those men were old enough to absolve Baba of legal ramifications? Do you feel that these relations were, in reality, some sort of kundalini-enlivening, karma-absolving cosmic blessing, or something more mundane? If the young men were upset by this behavior, do you feel that they simply failed to understand Baba's higher motives? Do you believe that Baba's apparent manifestations have always been a performance of siddhis, or that some slight of hand may have been involved, at least on some occasions? If the latter, how do you explain or justify this?
[FairfieldLife] What Tal Brooke didn't tell you
http://babafan.tblog.com/
[FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, vishvarupa108 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of vishvarupa108 Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 11:52 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown In all these years, there have been no complaints from children or parents of children that Sathya Sai Baba is a pedophile who molests children. Not even one single verifiable grievance, complaint, record, file or anything else for that matter. That isn't true. I watched a one-hour documentary, perhaps produced by the BBC, about an American family whose son was sexually molested by Sai Baba from an early age. Andy Rymer admits to having had sexual interaction with SB. And many others. He hasn't been arrested because the Indian police are on the payroll. Rick Archer, and where is your objective and verifiable proof that the Indian police are on Sai Baba's payroll? It sounds to me like you (like ex-devotees) cannot make a factual argument against Sai Baba so you must resort to specious conspiracy theories. Show us the proof. We would all like to see it. And it is obvious that you have not kept up with the Sai Controversy. The one hour documentary you are referring to is the 'Secret Swami' Documentary and there has been a major update regarding its prime witness, Alaya Rahm. Alaya Rahm self-dismissed his own lawsuit against the Sathya Sai Baba Society Of America after Lewis Kreydick (a witness Alaya cited in court documents - who was present with him on his first trip and in most of his interviews) came forward and refuted all of his claims. I will not go into detail here, because it is easily available on the internet. Also, Alaya Rahm claimed the sexual abuse started when he was 18 and an adult. Prior to that, he claimed he received a non- sexual oiling when he was 16 and the scans to Kreydick's testimony are very revealing about Alaya's demeanor. Kreydick was the person who voluntarily took Alaya to India on his first visit: http://www.saisathyasai.com/Rahm-Public-Court-Records/ http://www.saisathyasai.com/Rahm-Public-Court- Records/critics_alaya_rahm_failed_lawsuit.html http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Ex-Baba.com/A-AlayaRahm/ I hope Sai is paying you a good legal fee out of his billions to spread his cult's pathetic reasoning - there's no document showing the pay schedule with local law enforcement so obviously it can't be - there's no video of the molestations that take place within Sai's heavily guarded with weapons private quarters, so the dozens of reports by credible witnesses can't be true. Your references to Sai's adoring website are meaningless. Have Sai come over to the US and face a US court and doctors' examination records of several children of former US devotees. His proven on video magic tricks won't help him a bit. boo_lives, typical response. Blame others of being paid, etc. Who is paying you? You obviously cannot back up your claims to there being examination records of several children of Sai Devotees in the USA (which Alaya Rahm's experienced sexual-abuse Trial Lawyer failed to find). When Alaya Rahm filed his publicity-stunt lawsuit in the United States, NO ONE came forward to defend him or support his sexual abuse allegations against Sai Baba. Not even one single American or Non- American (out of ALLEGED hundreds to thousands of sexual abuse victims world-wide). Despite Sathya Sai Baba being worth billions of dollars, not even one money-hungry lawyer will touch alleged victims. Ever wonder why? And do tell us where you are getting the number of dozens of sexual abuse victims from? On Anti-Sai websites, they list 17 people, out of which only 6 use (allegedly) real full names. I rather form my conclusions on verifiable information. Not gossip, rumors, second-hand stories and hearsay. I've made my choice and it is apparent you have made yours.
[FairfieldLife] Re: In TM, is the mantra empowered by MMY, or Guru Dev?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On May 31, 2007, at 7:36 PM, BillyG. wrote: *Adhikara* is a term used to describe the 'transference' of the power of the 'guru' to the chela via the mantra. If there is no illuminative state in the consciousness of the giver, no transference can take placethere is NO adhi-kara. Swami G.Kriyananda Sorry to burst your bubble Billy, but that is not what adhikara style mantra means at all. In terms of mantra diksha, there are two important types. One is by puja and the other is by adhikara. TM mantras are given by puja, not by adhikara. Adhikara mantra is a mantra given after the guru observes a student for whatever is needed to understand what needs to be given--but it is always given based on the unique propensity of the student, they are not dispensed via mere puja, the inferior and more haphazard method. Interesting comment and observation..it would seem then that an adhikara mantra would be preferable, yes? That would imply a personal Guru I suppose. By inferior I assume you mean that the puja mantra is not as effective, yes? How about these 'Guru's' that have thousands of disciples, isn't that about the same thing?
[FairfieldLife] TM_Discussion : To TM or not to TM -
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TM_Discussion/
[FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of conscientiousobjector2000 Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 10:00 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown And maybe since you seem to know Larsson so well, you can ask him since he, like all the other adult males accusers, is in hidig and will not answer questions about his contradictory accusations, WHY he claimed to have received a resignation letter from Hislop in 1973 when the documentation clearly shows Hislop left the TM movement in 1968? I don't claim to be an expert on Sai Baba. I forwarded your post to Conny and will post his response. So we can understand who we're talking to, (your email [EMAIL PROTECTED] gives us a hint) please answer the following questions: Do you believe that Sai Baba regularly had sexual relations with young men? Are you sure those men were old enough to absolve Baba of legal ramifications? Do you feel that these relations were, in reality, some sort of kundalini-enlivening, karma-absolving cosmic blessing, or something more mundane? If the young men were upset by this behavior, do you feel that they simply failed to understand Baba's higher motives? Do you believe that Baba's apparent manifestations have always been a performance of siddhis, or that some slight of hand may have been involved, at least on some occasions? If the latter, how do you explain or justify this? *** I think my post was very self-explanatory regarding what I thnk about the accusations. I have researched EACH and EVERY accusation (for almost FIVE YEARS) and NOT one of them stands up to scrutiny. NOT one. I know without any doubt that Sai Baba is a God-realized person. I have direct expereince and I have tested him myself. Since miracles are not considered a criminal offense, they do not have to be proven in a court of law. Criminal accusations sucha s FRAUD and sexual abuse DO. Now, since you want to make criminal accuasations, I am asking you to follow the law like every other individual must do and get your alleged vitims to file charges. I have researched myself and cannot find one shred of evidence which backs up the claims. Many anti- semites claim all Jews are bad. Doesn't make it true does it? What it means is there are a lot of misguided people and yes even liars in the world.
[FairfieldLife] Conny Larsson's Changing Stories About Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
Conny Larsson's Changing Stories About Maharishi Mahesh Yogi: Page Updated: http://www.saisathyasai.com/Conny_Larsson/new-guru-shankaracharya-swami-\ brahmananda-saraswati.html http://www.saisathyasai.com/Conny_Larsson/new-guru-shankaracharya-swami\ -brahmananda-saraswati.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, vishvarupa108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of vishvarupa108 Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 11:52 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown In all these years, there have been no complaints from children or parents of children that Sathya Sai Baba is a pedophile who molests children. Not even one single verifiable grievance, complaint, record, file or anything else for that matter. That isn't true. I watched a one-hour documentary, perhaps produced by the BBC, about an American family whose son was sexually molested by Sai Baba from an early age. Andy Rymer admits to having had sexual interaction with SB. And many others. He hasn't been arrested because the Indian police are on the payroll. Rick Archer, and where is your objective and verifiable proof that the Indian police are on Sai Baba's payroll? It sounds to me like you (like ex-devotees) cannot make a factual argument against Sai Baba so you must resort to specious conspiracy theories. Show us the proof. We would all like to see it. And it is obvious that you have not kept up with the Sai Controversy. The one hour documentary you are referring to is the 'Secret Swami' Documentary and there has been a major update regarding its prime witness, Alaya Rahm. Alaya Rahm self-dismissed his own lawsuit against the Sathya Sai Baba Society Of America after Lewis Kreydick (a witness Alaya cited in court documents - who was present with him on his first trip and in most of his interviews) came forward and refuted all of his claims. I will not go into detail here, because it is easily available on the internet. Also, Alaya Rahm claimed the sexual abuse started when he was 18 and an adult. Prior to that, he claimed he received a non- sexual oiling when he was 16 and the scans to Kreydick's testimony are very revealing about Alaya's demeanor. Kreydick was the person who voluntarily took Alaya to India on his first visit: http://www.saisathyasai.com/Rahm-Public-Court-Records/ http://www.saisathyasai.com/Rahm-Public-Court- Records/critics_alaya_rahm_failed_lawsuit.html http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Ex-Baba.com/A-AlayaRahm/ Vishi, it's like this. You will never accept the truth about your beloved guru, anymore than disciples of MMY can accept that he had multiple sex partners in the late 60's and early 70s. Both groups could be presented with photos, films and comfessionsand it still would not be enough. Devotion is blind. I know. I've been there.
[FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, conscientiousobjector2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of conscientiousobjector2000 Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 10:00 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown And maybe since you seem to know Larsson so well, you can ask him since he, like all the other adult males accusers, is in hidig and will not answer questions about his contradictory accusations, WHY he claimed to have received a resignation letter from Hislop in 1973 when the documentation clearly shows Hislop left the TM movement in 1968? I don't claim to be an expert on Sai Baba. I forwarded your post to Conny and will post his response. So we can understand who we're talking to, (your email babafan@ gives us a hint) please answer the following questions: Do you believe that Sai Baba regularly had sexual relations with young men? Are you sure those men were old enough to absolve Baba of legal ramifications? Do you feel that these relations were, in reality, some sort of kundalini-enlivening, karma-absolving cosmic blessing, or something more mundane? If the young men were upset by this behavior, do you feel that they simply failed to understand Baba's higher motives? Do you believe that Baba's apparent manifestations have always been a performance of siddhis, or that some slight of hand may have been involved, at least on some occasions? If the latter, how do you explain or justify this? *** I think my post was very self-explanatory regarding what I thnk about the accusations. I have researched EACH and EVERY accusation (for almost FIVE YEARS) and NOT one of them stands up to scrutiny. NOT one. I know without any doubt that Sai Baba is a God-realized person. I have direct expereince and I have tested him myself. Since miracles are not considered a criminal offense, they do not have to be proven in a court of law. Criminal accusations sucha s FRAUD and sexual abuse DO. Now, since you want to make criminal accuasations, I am asking you to follow the law like every other individual must do and get your alleged vitims to file charges. I have researched myself and cannot find one shred of evidence which backs up the claims. Many anti- semites claim all Jews are bad. Doesn't make it true does it? What it means is there are a lot of misguided people and yes even liars in the world. Hey Babafan: Rick asked you some very straightforward questions. Your responses to same were utterly lame.
[FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, conscientiousobjector2000 babafan@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of conscientiousobjector2000 Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 10:00 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown And maybe since you seem to know Larsson so well, you can ask him since he, like all the other adult males accusers, is in hidig and will not answer questions about his contradictory accusations, WHY he claimed to have received a resignation letter from Hislop in 1973 when the documentation clearly shows Hislop left the TM movement in 1968? I don't claim to be an expert on Sai Baba. I forwarded your post to Conny and will post his response. So we can understand who we're talking to, (your email babafan@ gives us a hint) please answer the following questions: Do you believe that Sai Baba regularly had sexual relations with young men? Are you sure those men were old enough to absolve Baba of legal ramifications? Do you feel that these relations were, in reality, some sort of kundalini-enlivening, karma-absolving cosmic blessing, or something more mundane? If the young men were upset by this behavior, do you feel that they simply failed to understand Baba's higher motives? Do you believe that Baba's apparent manifestations have always been a performance of siddhis, or that some slight of hand may have been involved, at least on some occasions? If the latter, how do you explain or justify this? *** I think my post was very self-explanatory regarding what I thnk about the accusations. I have researched EACH and EVERY accusation (for almost FIVE YEARS) and NOT one of them stands up to scrutiny. NOT one. I know without any doubt that Sai Baba is a God-realized person. I have direct expereince and I have tested him myself. Since miracles are not considered a criminal offense, they do not have to be proven in a court of law. Criminal accusations sucha s FRAUD and sexual abuse DO. Now, since you want to make criminal accuasations, I am asking you to follow the law like every other individual must do and get your alleged vitims to file charges. I have researched myself and cannot find one shred of evidence which backs up the claims. Many anti- semites claim all Jews are bad. Doesn't make it true does it? What it means is there are a lot of misguided people and yes even liars in the world. Hey Babafan: Rick asked you some very straightforward questions. Your responses to same were utterly lame. *** geezerfreak, you seem to have great difficulty understanding plain english. Is english not your first language or what? Oh, I forgot to mention, there are also a LOT of DUMB peoplein t e world. Convince me you are not one of them by following CONSTITUTIONAL law instead of rambling like a hysterical nutjob who lost his binky.
[FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You will never accept the truth about your beloved guru, anymore than disciples of MMY can accept that he had multiple sex partners in the late 60's and early 70s. There's room for some middle ground here. According to the Merriam- Webster dictionary, a Disciple is one who accepts and assists in spreading the doctrines of another. Could I then consider myself a disciple of Maharishi's? According to this definition, sure-- though my assisting in spreading his doctrine is on the relaxed side of casual. Do I accept that he had multiple sex partners in the late 60's and 70's. Sure, if he did. Do I even think about this once in an entire year? No. The thing about Maharishi is he just has a vibe I particularly like. His radiance has a comfortable feel to me. End of story. Good vibe. And not good in a moral sense, but good almost in an artistic sense or a natural sense. Like the picture of the magnolia blossom I took yesterday morning. Can't really explain it. Same with Guru Dev. They both just have good vibes. I'm not one to get all intellectual about it. Just one of those things. So that's it. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of conscientiousobjector2000 Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 12:19 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown Hey Babafan: Rick asked you some very straightforward questions. Your responses to same were utterly lame. *** geezerfreak, you seem to have great difficulty understanding plain english. Is english not your first language or what? Oh, I forgot to mention, there are also a LOT of DUMB peoplein t e world. Convince me you are not one of them by following CONSTITUTIONAL law instead of rambling like a hysterical nutjob who lost his binky. Insulting him doesn't get you off the hook. How about answering my questions? ** Funny that you say NOTHING when he continuously insults others (and FIRST at that), Rick. I answered the questions. I can't help it if you are too illiterate to get it. This is EXACTLY why you bozos should quit trying to play law enforcement and sticK to your mantras or whatever it is you do do well. Get it through your head: NO Indian children or parents have filed complaints about being molested with police. This means the ADULT WHITE MALES making complaints are LIARS. NOW, do I need to draw you a map? Second-hand stories are NOT EVIDENCE. Do you think prople should be able to tell second-hand tales about YOUR sexual escapades and we should all believe them? Now grow up and get real. The government of India has PUBLICLY stated that the accusations are concocted and malicious and there IS enough DOCUMENTATION to prove that in court. Now deal with it. And quit acting like a bunch of fascists who feel laws don't apply to them.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of conscientiousobjector2000 Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 12:19 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown Hey Babafan: Rick asked you some very straightforward questions. Your responses to same were utterly lame. *** geezerfreak, you seem to have great difficulty understanding plain english. Is english not your first language or what? Oh, I forgot to mention, there are also a LOT of DUMB peoplein t e world. Convince me you are not one of them by following CONSTITUTIONAL law instead of rambling like a hysterical nutjob who lost his binky. Insulting him doesn't get you off the hook. How about answering my questions?
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ wrote: I'm curious to know what ordinary mortals feel in these SV buildings. Anybody have anything to report? I have spent very little time in SV bldgs, but I have felt a clear uplifting quality on entering these bldgs. I had the same sensation when I entered the old SRM (Charlie Lutes organization in TM-ville) bldg in W. Los Angeles, where thousands of initations had been performed: a feeling of being lighter, a feeling of bliss and greater self-awareness. That was because Fleetwood Mac used to record in the studios downstairs. You can get the same uplifting hit by going to the beauty parlor on San Vicente where Stevie Nicks used to get her nails done. It's become somewhat of a place of pilgrimage, with thousands of seekers per month coming to lay flowers at the base of the revolving chair where she sat and had the holy work done. I hear they sell her fingernail clippings as holy icons. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ann Coulter on illegal immigrants
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter: Jesus Christ! Here we go again. Judy: F**k off, Peter. If somebody grossly misrepresented what you had said and then called you a liar for saying it, I don't imagine you'd let it go by. She, they, just don't get it. It's an addiction, clothed in moral indignance that their integrity has been violated, and that it must be restored. God Save the Queen. What they don't realize, and likely, will never realize is that NO ONE CARES. Another thought here: How can you possibly not care that there are several people on this forum who *routinely and deliberately* tell falsehoods? This makes no sense to me. If you don't care about dishonesty, what *can* you care about? Dishonesty underlies so many of the evils of this world. How can you just *ignore* it when it's right under your nose? Why didn't a dozen people jump on Shemp when he claimed Al Gore's father was a segregationist? How can you not care about an honorable public servant, no longer around to defend himself, being slandered in public with the aim of denigrating his son, the leader in the fight against global warming? If Al Gore Sr. were still alive and happened to be a participant here, if he spoke up to defend himself, apparently you'd be happy to dump on him as you do me. We have Bush in office today, rather than Gore, because of rampant dishonesty; we're losing our young men and women in Iraq, and killing hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis, because of rampant dishonesty, because that dishonesty was *tolerated*, because too many people didn't care about it. How can you not be against dishonesty wherever you find it? I truly don't understand that kind of thinking. Resistance to dishonesty should be a *reflex*, an instinct. It *should* be an addiction.
[FairfieldLife] What can feel insulted? Only the self. (was Re: Ann Coulter)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter: Jesus Christ! Here we go again. Judy: F**k off, Peter. If somebody grossly misrepresented what you had said and then called you a liar for saying it, I don't imagine you'd let it go by. She, they, just don't get it. It's an addiction, clothed in moral indignance that their integrity has been violated, and that it must be restored. God Save the Queen. What they don't realize, and likely, will never realize is that NO ONE CARES. This, matters not a lick. With the utmost seriousness they cite the evidence which will win the case. (in their minds) I don't want to (and won't) get into the specifics of this kind of post and who does it, and why. What fascinates me about it, spiritually, is that almost by definition an angry or outraged reaction to some- one else's post is the activity of a small s self protecting itself, and in the process pushing Self away. The more one protects the notions that self has of itself, the way it views itself, the more that small s self is strengthened. Every time the small s self reacts, has its button pushed, and says, No, that's not right. That's not the way I see myself, and therefore it's not true, the more that the I in the equation is strengthened and becomes convinced that it exists. Conversely, we see other posters here who are able to say, Hey...that's definitely not the way that I normally see my actions, but it's a valid way of seeing my actions, because another human being, on a par with myself *because* they're another human being, saw it that way. Maybe *both* ways of seeing the situation are true on some level, even though *none* of them describe the situation as a whole. The ability to do this seems to me to be related to two traits. The first is having a certain fluidity of self (which in turn seems to be based on having a certain familiarity with Self, and knowing the difference between the two). The second is having the ability to perceive their fellow posters as *equals*, and not feel superior to them. IMO, the posters here who are able to rise above having to react angrily when someone portrays them in a diff- erent way than they see themselves can do so because they have a basic level of respect for the other posters, and consider them their equals. We're all just seekers here, and all that. In general, those who become indignant do so because they've been insulted by someone they consider lesser than themselves. Easy solution, in both cases -- laugh more. Laugh at the jibes and insults, when they really are jibes and insults. Laugh at those who feel compelled to post the jibes and insults consistently, and thus reveal so much about themselves. And most of all, laugh at one's self, that tiny little imaginary thing that, for a moment, feels insulted because someone doesn't take it seriously. Because the more you laugh at the little sucker and *don't* take it seriously, the less hold it has over you. Laugh at the self long enough and it'll go away, leaving only Self.
[FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willytex@ wrote: Conny Larsson: God's Little Clown Guru of Vedic Mantras Meditation and Yoga Teacher Lecturer on Spirituality Psychic Healer Trans-medium http://tinyurl.com/ytdxf8 Tex, Is this site about Conny supposed to be convincing of something? I hope not because it just reads like the rantings of a disciple of Sai Baba who is crazed because Conny dared to speak about his own personal experience with SB. When anyone questions the cult leaders behavior, cult followers nearly always react this way. They must shoot the messenger bringing them the bad news. Sound like anyone you know? And whenever anyone questions Anti-Cultist's behavior, Anti-Cultist sympathizers nearly always react by dismissing their fellow Anti- Cultist's behavior, all the while whining and sniveling about 'inappropriate behavior' from others. The fact of the matter is that Conny Larsson has fully associated himself (for years) with the Indian Guru, Shankaracharya Swami Brahmananda Saraswati (Maharishi's Guru), even as recently as 2005. Conny Larsson now claims that he is a psychic medium, a psychic healer, charges money for private aura/chakra healings, lectures on Yoga and Spirituality, initiates others with Vedic Mantras, teaches 'Master Classes', uses crystal pedulums to diagnose illnesses in others, sings bhajans, teaching meditation classes, opened his own meditation/healing center in Cyprus and solicits himself as a mantra yoga meditation teacher (i.e., guru). All these 'behaviors' are very cultish. Anyone disagree? And the website in question (which exposes Conny Larsson) was not written by a Sai Baba disciple. Amusing how geezerfreak argues against others shooting-the-messenger, but then engages in shooting the messenger when it comes to protecting views he/she favors. Geezerfreak, try putting down your bb-gun before shooting-the- messenger without conducting remedial research: http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Ex-Baba.com/faq.html
[FairfieldLife] Waiting for the bankruptcy of Benefon, Inc..., part 1
Bhoja's comment on YS III 42: kaayaH paañcabhautikaM shariiraM tathaakaashenaavakaashadaayakena yaH saMbandhastatra saMyamaM vidhaaya laghuni tulaadau(?) samaapattiM tanmayiibhaavalakSaNaaM ca vidhaaya praaptaatilaghubhaavo yogii prathamaM yathaaruci jale saMcarankramenorNanaabhatantujaalena saMcaramaaNa aadityarashmibhishca viharanyatheSTamaakaashena gacchati| We'll try to translate the easier parts: The body (kaayaH) [is], well, a body (shariiram) consisting of the five elements (paañca-bhautikam: vRddhi-derivative from pañca bhuutaani?). www.benefon.com
[FairfieldLife] Stories
Maharishi is one of the greatest spiritual teachers the world has ever known. He is a living saint, fully enlightened, and thus incapable of doing anything that is not fully in accord with the laws of nature. There- fore anything that anyone says against him is false, and indicates that the person saying it is either deluded or has some malevolent intent towards this great saint. He's one of the world's 'good guys,' and anyone who speaks ill of him is a 'bad guy.' Maharishi is a con man who has systematically ripped off the gullible seekers who have followed him for decades. He promises them everything -- including enlightenment -- and delivers on almost nothing. And to protect himself he has created an autocracy that punishes any questioning of his authority or his essential 'right' to dictate to his followers what they should do and think with excommunication or worse (legal action should they violate the copy- rights he has taken out on common domain techniques and knowledge). He's a 'bad guy,' and anyone who tells the 'truth' about him (as defined above) is a 'good guy.' Global warming is a serious problem that threatens the future of humanity and the Earth, and those who attempt to diminish its importance are enemies of humanity. Global warming is a scam perpetrated by 'scientists' who are in it for the money, and who are putting over one of the biggest frauds in history on their fellow human beings. Polticians of the Republican/Democratic Party (pick one) are 'good guys' who have the welfare of the population as a whole in their hearts. Anyone who says something negative about them is doing so because they *oppose* the welfare of the population as a whole. Such people are liars and are not to be trusted. Polticians of the Republican/Democratic Party (pick one) are 'bad guys' who have sold out to the interests of those who control them from behind the scenes. The only thing they care about is themselves, and putting more money and more power in their pockets. Anyone who says something negative about them is doing so because they *oppose* these self-interested actions, and are acting from a sense of heroism, 'protecting' the welfare of the population as a whole. Such people are heroes and are to be trusted implicitly because they *are* heroes. I am 'right' because because the sources I have quoted to support my position are 'better' than yours. You are 'wrong' because because the sources you have quoted to support your position are 'lesser' than mine. My view of who I am and what I do and why I do it is 'correct' and yours is 'incorrect,' because I say so. No one could *possibly* believe the things you're saying about me, so the fact that you're saying them means that you are intentionally 'lying' about me. Your view of who you am and what you do and why you do it is 'incorrect' and mine is 'correct,' because I say so. I *do* believe the things I'm saying about you, and you just can't handle the possibility that they're true. What do all these stories have in common? First, obviously, they're all Just Stories. NONE of them are 'true' or 'truth' -- they're just stories that we tell ourselves and others. The other thing that all of these stories have in common is that they are all OPINION. No matter how many 'facts' or 'sources' one trots out to support them, opinions they are and opinions they remain. There is NOTHING you can do to make them more than opinion. Can't we all just get along? Can't we have opinions of our own without believing that the opinions of others are lesser or wrong and that the others who hold these opinions are lesser than we are or less right than we are? What if we lived in a universe in which ALL of the stories we tell to ourselves and to others are true, and just *seem* to be contradictory? What if the universe supported ALL of these seeming contradictions, without missing a step, and found a way to reconcile ALL of them? It seems to me that we DO live in such a universe. If it can reconcile all these seemingly contradictory stories, why can't we?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Stories
The ability to appreciate several points of Views simultaneously is a very powerful Taoist technique that will enable you to see the larger picture and see how it all fits in. I'm curious to know TomTraynor's opinion on this.?? TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 08:49:41 - Subject: [FairfieldLife] Stories Maharishi is one of the greatest spiritual teachers the world has ever known. He is a living saint, fully enlightened, and thus incapable of doing anything that is not fully in accord with the laws of nature. There- fore anything that anyone says against him is false, and indicates that the person saying it is either deluded or has some malevolent intent towards this great saint. He's one of the world's 'good guys,' and anyone who speaks ill of him is a 'bad guy.' Maharishi is a con man who has systematically ripped off the gullible seekers who have followed him for decades. He promises them everything -- including enlightenment -- and delivers on almost nothing. And to protect himself he has created an autocracy that punishes any questioning of his authority or his essential 'right' to dictate to his followers what they should do and think with excommunication or worse (legal action should they violate the copy- rights he has taken out on common domain techniques and knowledge). He's a 'bad guy,' and anyone who tells the 'truth' about him (as defined above) is a 'good guy.' Global warming is a serious problem that threatens the future of humanity and the Earth, and those who attempt to diminish its importance are enemies of humanity. Global warming is a scam perpetrated by 'scientists' who are in it for the money, and who are putting over one of the biggest frauds in history on their fellow human beings. Polticians of the Republican/Democrat ic Party (pick one) are 'good guys' who have the welfare of the population as a whole in their hearts. Anyone who says something negative about them is doing so because they *oppose* the welfare of the population as a whole. Such people are liars and are not to be trusted. Polticians of the Republican/Democrat ic Party (pick one) are 'bad guys' who have sold out to the interests of those who control them from behind the scenes. The only thing they care about is themselves, and putting more money and more power in their pockets. Anyone who says something negative about them is doing so because they *oppose* these self-interested actions, and are acting from a sense of heroism, 'protecting' the welfare of the population as a whole. Such people are heroes and are to be trusted implicitly because they *are* heroes. I am 'right' because because the sources I have quoted to support my position are 'better' than yours. You are 'wrong' because because the sources you have quoted to support your position are 'lesser' than mine. My view of who I am and what I do and why I do it is 'correct' and yours is 'incorrect,' because I say so. No one could *possibly* believe the things you're saying about me, so the fact that you're saying them means that you are intentionally 'lying' about me. Your view of who you am and what you do and why you do it is 'incorrect' and mine is 'correct,' because I say so. I *do* believe the things I'm saying about you, and you just can't handle the possibility that they're true. What do all these stories have in common? First, obviously, they're all Just Stories. NONE of them are 'true' or 'truth' -- they're just stories that we tell ourselves and others. The other thing that all of these stories have in common is that they are all OPINION. No matter how many 'facts' or 'sources' one trots out to support them, opinions they are and opinions they remain. There is NOTHING you can do to make them more than opinion. Can't we all just get along? Can't we have opinions of our own without believing that the opinions of others are lesser or wrong and that the others who hold these opinions are lesser than we are or less right than we are? What if we lived in a universe in which ALL of the stories we tell to ourselves and to others are true, and just *seem* to be contradictory? What if the universe supported ALL of these seeming contradictions, without missing a step, and found a way to reconcile ALL of them? It seems to me that we DO live in such a universe. If it can reconcile all these seemingly contradictory stories, why can't we? - Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by Green Rating at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Stories
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The ability to appreciate several points of Views simultaneously is a very powerful Taoist technique that will enable you to see the larger picture and see how it all fits in. Cosmic concept juggling. :-) I'm curious to know TomTraynor's opinion on this.?? So am I. And Rory's, and Rick's, and Curtis', and Marek's, and others who have a track record here of being able to juggle seemingly contra- dictory concepts. Some characterize this juggling of opposites as a Bad Thing. They call it moral relativism if they're being polite and like talking in Big Words. They call it lying or intellectual dishonesty or being deluded if they're feel- ing less polite that day. But it seems to me that the belief that one's fixed, strongly defined morals are right and justified and that the more fluid morals of others are NOT as right and NOT as justified is equivalent to believing that the universe has a hierarchy of right and wrong, better and worse. And, because they KNOW the difference between right and wrong, better and worse, THEY exists on a higher level of that cosmic hierarchy. That's an interesting belief system, and there seem to be a great number of people on this planet who have bought into it. Me, I'm more Tantric, and don't necessarily believe that the universe I see around me is structured in levels of Dead Wrong, Wrong, Right, and Most Right. I also don't see much evidence that it's structured in levels of Really Bad, Bad, Good, and Most Good. I see a kind of wonderful hodgepodge of percep- tions and opinions held by people who all see the world differently, and are fully justified in seeing it differently, because it really IS different for each of them. One person could see a cemetary and think about death and ghosts and feel aversion or even fear. Another person, more Tantric in their approach to life, could see see the same cemetary and think, Wow...what a cool place to meditate, because to them it would mean meditating in an environment that provides a reminder of the transitory nature of life. Which one of these persons is right? Which is better than the other? I don't know. But there seem to be folks here who do. They seem to have NO PROBLEM stating who is right on this forum and who is wrong. They have NO PROBLEM stating whose position on a matter of pure opinion is better and which is worse. I don't know about you, but I never received the User's Manual that lists these Right/Wrong Better/Worse pairs in some kind of easy-to-read chart. When I look at the activities or at the beliefs that some claim with the voice of Auth- ority and Righteous Indignation ARE on one and only one side of the chart, I see them all as pretty much equivalent. I'm willing to allow karma to work out the details of which activities are more life-supporting than others. I DON'T KNOW. Others here seem to know. Perhaps that means that they live on a higher level of the cosmic hierarchy than I do. Then again, maybe they just think they do... TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 08:49:41 - Subject: [FairfieldLife] Stories Maharishi is one of the greatest spiritual teachers the world has ever known. He is a living saint, fully enlightened, and thus incapable of doing anything that is not fully in accord with the laws of nature. There- fore anything that anyone says against him is false, and indicates that the person saying it is either deluded or has some malevolent intent towards this great saint. He's one of the world's 'good guys,' and anyone who speaks ill of him is a 'bad guy.' Maharishi is a con man who has systematically ripped off the gullible seekers who have followed him for decades. He promises them everything -- including enlightenment -- and delivers on almost nothing. And to protect himself he has created an autocracy that punishes any questioning of his authority or his essential 'right' to dictate to his followers what they should do and think with excommunication or worse (legal action should they violate the copy- rights he has taken out on common domain techniques and knowledge). He's a 'bad guy,' and anyone who tells the 'truth' about him (as defined above) is a 'good guy.' Global warming is a serious problem that threatens the future of humanity and the Earth, and those who attempt to diminish its importance are enemies of humanity. Global warming is a scam perpetrated by 'scientists' who are in it for the money, and who are putting over one of the biggest frauds in history on their fellow human beings. Polticians of the Republican/Democrat ic Party (pick one) are 'good guys' who have the welfare of the population as a whole in their hearts. Anyone who says something negative about them is doing so because they *oppose* the welfare of the population as a whole. Such people are liars and are not to be trusted.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ wrote: I'm curious to know what ordinary mortals feel in these SV buildings. Anybody have anything to report? I have spent very little time in SV bldgs, but I have felt a clear uplifting quality on entering these bldgs. I had the same sensation when I entered the old SRM (Charlie Lutes organization in TM-ville) bldg in W. Los Angeles, where thousands of initations had been performed: a feeling of being lighter, a feeling of bliss and greater self-awareness. The SRM bldg was not SV-compliant (it had north and west entrances, but at least it did not have a south entrance), but the experience was clear and persistent through many visits, and I am not given to bliss-ninny mood-making -- I have had the same experience on entering the SV bldgs in Fairfield, so I would definitely spring for a compliant house, and plan to do so as soon as I pay off the repair and upgrades on my aircraft. One fellow I know in Australia lived in a very non-SV building and descided to just make a small correction to the entrance so at least that would face north. Within three weeks he met the woman in his life, after 4 months he won a huge sum in the lottery. More importantly he claims his meditations are more quiet, Sidhis more clear than before and his general support of nature more pronounced. The cost of the adjustment was 3000$
[FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willytex@ wrote: Conny Larsson: God's Little Clown Guru of Vedic Mantras Meditation and Yoga Teacher Lecturer on Spirituality Psychic Healer Trans-medium http://tinyurl.com/ytdxf8 Looks like Connie would need some Deep Meditation...
[FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, vishvarupa108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willytex@ wrote: Conny Larsson: God's Little Clown Guru of Vedic Mantras Meditation and Yoga Teacher Lecturer on Spirituality Psychic Healer Trans-medium http://tinyurl.com/ytdxf8 Tex, Is this site about Conny supposed to be convincing of something? I hope not because it just reads like the rantings of a disciple of Sai Baba who is crazed because Conny dared to speak about his own personal experience with SB. When anyone questions the cult leaders behavior, cult followers nearly always react this way. They must shoot the messenger bringing them the bad news. Sound like anyone you know? And whenever anyone questions Anti-Cultist's behavior, Anti-Cultist sympathizers nearly always react by dismissing their fellow Anti- Cultist's behavior, all the while whining and sniveling about 'inappropriate behavior' from others. The fact of the matter is that Conny Larsson has fully associated himself (for years) with the Indian Guru, Shankaracharya Swami Brahmananda Saraswati (Maharishi's Guru), even as recently as 2005. Conny Larsson now claims that he is a psychic medium, a psychic healer, charges money for private aura/chakra healings, lectures on Yoga and Spirituality, initiates others with Vedic Mantras, teaches 'Master Classes', uses crystal pedulums to diagnose illnesses in others, sings bhajans, teaching meditation classes, opened his own meditation/healing center in Cyprus and solicits himself as a mantra yoga meditation teacher (i.e., guru). All these 'behaviors' are very cultish. Anyone disagree? And the website in question (which exposes Conny Larsson) was not written by a Sai Baba disciple. Amusing how geezerfreak argues against others shooting-the-messenger, but then engages in shooting the messenger when it comes to protecting views he/she favors. Geezerfreak, try putting down your bb-gun before shooting-the- messenger without conducting remedial research: http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/Ex-Baba.com/faq.html Nice. Thanks for posting this. About time someone shoots back at false accusators and rumourmakers like Conny Larson and others.
[FairfieldLife] Spiritual bookstores as a metaphor for spiritual forums
We live in a world in which many of the conflicts around us are based (IMO) on ideas, and on *how* those ideas are communicated to others. Some on this planet clearly feel that their ideas are so right that they have the duty to convince others of their rightness. Think religious fanatics who actively attempt to convert others to their beliefs. Think those who believe that their particular beliefs or form of meditation or prayer or worship should be mandated, made into a law, and imposed on everyone for their own good. Think even those who seem compelled to react to any idea that is in conflict with their own ideas as an attack, or an excuse for an argument in which they can prove the super- iority of their ideas. Does that seem *respectful* to you? Does that seem like the most effective manner in which one can present one's spiritual ideas to others? It doesn't to me. There is a metaphor that, for me, presents a somewhat cooler way of presenting one's ideas to others -- just *present* them and then see whether anyone has an interest in them. If so, and the other person asks to hear more, explain more. If not, cool. The ideas have been presented, made available. A teacher I used to work with never used the hard sell in his public talks. He never sug- gested in those talks that he or his ideas were better than any other teacher or any other teachers' ideas. He just presented his take on things, explained it as best he could, and then said, Good night. Thank you for coming. There was never even anything said about studying with him further. There was not even anything said about whether that possibility existed, or how someone who'd attended the public talk would go about it if they *wanted* to study with him further. And yet a great number of people did just that. Now in this case the teacher changed his approach later in his life, and started making claims about being better than others. But I think he was onto something during this earlier period of his teaching. When asked about his approach at that time, he used the metaphor of spiritual bookstores. You walk into one and you're surrounded by ideas. They're in each of the books around you, presented as best they could be by the holders of those ideas. You pick up a book, browse through it, and you're exposed to the writer's ideas. And you either resonate with those ideas or you don't. If you don't, plop! there goes the book back on the shelf. If you do, you might buy it and take it home and read it. The fact that you read it doesn't mean that you'll believe all the ideas in the book and sign up as an ardent supporter of those ideas because you read the book. All it means is that you were open enough to expose yourself to the ideas. And, from the other side, the writer is not really *pushing* those ideas on you, is he? He's just making them available, putting them up on a shelf where they might catch the eye of some seeker who might appreciate them. I always liked this metaphor. When it came time for me to teach classes again in meditation, long after I'd walked away from the TM movement and its style of presentation, I tried to use it as the metaphor for how I presented things. I just laid out what I had to say as best I could, taught the techniques of meditation that I was teaching for free, and then said, Good night. Thank you for coming. I'm rambling, on a rainy day here in France, but I guess that all I really have to say is that this spiritual bookstore metaphor might be a good one to keep in mind on spiritual talk forums such as this one. Everyone here has ideas. Everyone here is a writer. Their posts are their books, the things that contain their ideas. Fairfield Life is just a bookstore, in which these idea-books are displayed on shelves. Isn't writing the idea-books enough? People are either going to resonate with the ideas or they're not. *Whether* they resonate with your ideas or not isn't really going to affect you much one way or another unless you believe it will. If you believe that someone disagreeing with your idea-books dimin- ishes you somehow, and you start arguing for the supremacy of your ideas, in most cases all you do is diminish the ideas themselves, and make it all about *you*, your ego, your small s self. The small s self already had its say, in the first post, in the first idea-book it placed on the shelf. If that didn't strike a resonance with readers, well by all means try, try again, if you feel that the idea has merit. Write another post about the *ideas*. Maybe you'll express the ideas better this time, and more people will find a resonance in them. But when you start arguing for the essential right- ness or the essential correctness or better-ness of your idea-books, you're kinda introducing the concept of the high-pressure used car salesman into an environment in which it doesn't belong. Can you *imagine* how you'd react if you wandered into a spiritual bookstore and some
[FairfieldLife] What can feel insulted? Only the self. (was Re: Ann Coulter)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip IMO, the posters here who are able to rise above having to react angrily when someone portrays them in a diff- erent way than they see themselves can do so because they have a basic level of respect for the other posters, and consider them their equals. We're all just seekers here, and all that. In general, those who become indignant do so because they've been insulted by someone they consider lesser than themselves. It's interesting, I have never, even for a second, thought of anyone on this forum--or anywhere else, for that matter--as lesser than myself. That concept is just completely foreign to me and always has been, no matter how nastily they have insulted me (or someone else), no matter what kind of falsehoods the other person has told about me (or someone or something else), no matter how blatant the hypocrisy they indulge in. It's curious that some people seem to see that kind of thinking in me and others when there's a disagreement of some kind. Especially in a post in which *they* clearly indicate that they believe their own purported egalitarianism makes them superior to those whom they believe perceive others to be inferior.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Stories
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maharishi is one of the greatest spiritual teachers the world has ever known. He is a living saint, fully enlightened, and thus incapable of doing anything that is not fully in accord with the laws of nature. There- fore anything that anyone says against him is false, and indicates that the person saying it is either deluded or has some malevolent intent towards this great saint. He's one of the world's 'good guys,' and anyone who speaks ill of him is a 'bad guy.' Maharishi is a con man who has systematically ripped off the gullible seekers who have followed him for decades. He promises them everything -- including enlightenment -- and delivers on almost nothing. And to protect himself he has created an autocracy that punishes any questioning of his authority or his essential 'right' to dictate to his followers what they should do and think with excommunication or worse (legal action should they violate the copy- rights he has taken out on common domain techniques and knowledge). He's a 'bad guy,' and anyone who tells the 'truth' about him (as defined above) is a 'good guy.' Global warming is a serious problem that threatens the future of humanity and the Earth, and those who attempt to diminish its importance are enemies of humanity. Global warming is a scam perpetrated by 'scientists' who are in it for the money, and who are putting over one of the biggest frauds in history on their fellow human beings. Polticians of the Republican/Democratic Party (pick one) are 'good guys' who have the welfare of the population as a whole in their hearts. Anyone who says something negative about them is doing so because they *oppose* the welfare of the population as a whole. Such people are liars and are not to be trusted. Polticians of the Republican/Democratic Party (pick one) are 'bad guys' who have sold out to the interests of those who control them from behind the scenes. The only thing they care about is themselves, and putting more money and more power in their pockets. Anyone who says something negative about them is doing so because they *oppose* these self-interested actions, and are acting from a sense of heroism, 'protecting' the welfare of the population as a whole. Such people are heroes and are to be trusted implicitly because they *are* heroes. I am 'right' because because the sources I have quoted to support my position are 'better' than yours. You are 'wrong' because because the sources you have quoted to support your position are 'lesser' than mine. My view of who I am and what I do and why I do it is 'correct' and yours is 'incorrect,' because I say so. No one could *possibly* believe the things you're saying about me, so the fact that you're saying them means that you are intentionally 'lying' about me. Your view of who you am and what you do and why you do it is 'incorrect' and mine is 'correct,' because I say so. I *do* believe the things I'm saying about you, and you just can't handle the possibility that they're true. What do all these stories have in common? First, obviously, they're all Just Stories. NONE of them are 'true' or 'truth' -- they're just stories that we tell ourselves and others. Actually, that's not true.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ann Coulter on illegal immigrants
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I truly don't understand that kind of thinking. Resistance to dishonesty should be a *reflex*, an instinct. It *should* be an addiction. OK. Perhaps I don't fully appreciate how it affects you. Certainly you have to go the distance in things you believe passionately about. lurk
[FairfieldLife] Re: Stories
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Which one of these persons is right? Which is better than the other? I don't know. But there seem to be folks here who do. They seem to have NO PROBLEM stating who is right on this forum and who is wrong. They have NO PROBLEM stating whose position on a matter of pure opinion is better and which is worse. I don't know about you, but I never received the User's Manual that lists these Right/Wrong Better/Worse pairs in some kind of easy-to-read chart. When I look at the activities or at the beliefs that some claim with the voice of Auth- ority and Righteous Indignation ARE on one and only one side of the chart, I see them all as pretty much equivalent. Any time you hear a perspective that divides people into two camps--e.g., those who believe they have a User's Manual of Right/Wrong, Better/Worse, on the one hand, and those who see all views as pretty much equivalent, on the other--you're dealing with someone who has a very constricted, limited view of the nature of disagreement (and of people in general).
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual bookstores as a metaphor for spiritual forums
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We live in a world in which many of the conflicts around us are based (IMO) on ideas, and on *how* those ideas are communicated to others. Some on this planet clearly feel that their ideas are so right that they have the duty to convince others of their rightness. Think religious fanatics who actively attempt to convert others to their beliefs. Think those who believe that their particular beliefs or form of meditation or prayer or worship should be mandated, made into a law, and imposed on everyone for their own good. Think even those who seem compelled to react to any idea that is in conflict with their own ideas as an attack, or an excuse for an argument in which they can prove the super- iority of their ideas. Does that seem *respectful* to you? Does that seem like the most effective manner in which one can present one's spiritual ideas to others? It doesn't to me. There is a metaphor that, for me, presents a somewhat cooler way of presenting one's ideas to others -- just *present* them and then see whether anyone has an interest in them. If so, and the other person asks to hear more, explain more. If not, cool. The ideas have been presented, made available. So you're saying that's a better way to behave?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ann Coulter on illegal immigrants
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip I truly don't understand that kind of thinking. Resistance to dishonesty should be a *reflex*, an instinct. It *should* be an addiction. OK. Perhaps I don't fully appreciate how it affects you. Certainly you have to go the distance in things you believe passionately about. Actually, one of the very few things I believe passionately in is the value of honesty and the destructiveness of dishonesty. With all the disagreement in the world and all the problems it causes, it seems to me just appalling that it should be complicated and exacerbated by dishonesty. How can we even get to the point of peaceably agreeing to disagree, let alone come to a mutual understanding, if one side is indulging in deliberate falsehood, and that is *tolerated* by others? How can anybody have respect for an opinion that is supported by assertions which are knowingly factually false?
RE: [FairfieldLife] Stories
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of TurquoiseB Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 3:50 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Stories What if we lived in a universe in which ALL of the stories we tell to ourselves and to others are true, and just *seem* to be contradictory? What if the universe supported ALL of these seeming contradictions, without missing a step, and found a way to reconcile ALL of them? It seems to me that we DO live in such a universe. If it can reconcile all these seemingly contradictory stories, why can't we? We can, by being more universal, which is what we’re trying to do, if we aspire to enlightenment. Learning to recognize one’s cherished stories as relative perspectives that are not necessarily more true than their opposites is a powerful technique for enlightenment. Book recommendation¨”A Thousand Names for Joy” by Byron Katie
[FairfieldLife] Re: 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0
...Microsoft Vista was designed from the bottom up for PlaysForSure and the WMA format; Bhairitu wrote: You drink the kool-aid and I listen to people who actually worked on Vista. If you listened to people who actually worked on Vista you probably wouldn't have rushed off to Best Buy to purchase Windows Vista Home Edition to install on your old laptop with 512MB of RAM. And for what purpose? You could probably back up your entire hard drive on a single floppy diskette.
[FairfieldLife] Barbed Wire? (was Re: Vedic City takeover)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ffia1120 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: . . . Also, why does VC need this land? Like someone mentioned earlier -- there isn't exactly a housing boom going on out at VC. I was just out there on Sunday giving an out- of-town guest a tour. It's still very sparsely populated. Oh, and what's with the barbed wire fencing out at the new pundit housing camp? Um, I beg your pardon, but did you say barbed wire? I presume that's just an imprecise term for fencing made of wire, right? I *hope* that's the case, anyway. If it's not, I just can't *wait* to hear speculation from TM TBs on whether it's to keep people out of the compound or in it. And on whether it's appropriate in either case. There are some books in the FFL spiritual bookstore that I'd pre-order before release. This is one of them. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Prison of the Mind, Sthapatya Veda
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ wrote: I'm curious to know what ordinary mortals feel in these SV buildings. Anybody have anything to report? I have spent very little time in SV bldgs, but I have felt a clear uplifting quality on entering these bldgs. I had the same sensation when I entered the old SRM (Charlie Lutes organization in TM- ville) bldg in W. Los Angeles, where thousands of initations had been performed: a feeling of being lighter, a feeling of bliss and greater self-awareness. The SRM bldg was not SV-compliant (it had north and west entrances, but at least it did not have a south entrance), but the experience was clear and persistent through many visits, and I am not given to bliss-ninny mood-making -- I have had the same experience on entering the SV bldgs in Fairfield, so I would definitely spring for a compliant house, and plan to do so as soon as I pay off the repair and upgrades on my aircraft. One fellow I know in Australia lived in a very non-SV building and descided to just make a small correction to the entrance so at least that would face north. Within three weeks he met the woman in his life, after 4 months he won a huge sum in the lottery. More importantly he claims his meditations are more quiet, Sidhis more clear than before and his general support of nature more pronounced. The cost of the adjustment was 3000$ On the other hand, my next door neighbor changed the entrance of his front door from south to west and two years later his young wife died suddenly and unexpectedly. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Stories
There are opinions an there are reseach-based findings that are testable by others.The latter can include personal research, aka life experience, working hypotheses, etc. None are ultimate truth in an epistimological sense, but they tend towards being reliable -- some, the more rigoursly reseached oned, very much so. Quantum mechanics makes predictions accurate to 6o7 digits, I am told. An example, personal preference (I like republicans or I like democrats) is an opinon and turrq's stories of contradiction may be relevant in characterizing this and many other like opinions. However, that some are not be able to distinguish between opinion and research-based reliabile findings is interesting and a bit dangerous. Stories AIDS is a deadly sexually easily-transmitted disease. Its risk can be sharply diminished by use of condoms and knowing ones sexual partner(s) well. AIDS is a conspiracy and hoax of the medical establishment and is not sexually transmitted at all, and if I have sex with 100 strangers without condoms, I will never get it. Walking in front of an oncoming bus is very dangerous and can be fatal. Buses are just quantum soup, as am I. I can walk in front of an oncoming bus, and our quantum soups will just pass through each other. Besides I am wearing my magic gemstone and crystals, so I am safe, I am invincible. Going to work everyday brings in a paycheck with which I can pay expenses and save some. Going to work is a stupid con of THE MAN. Mother nature is cool, she will provide me with everything I need as I lay here in the park, just enjoying. Say, pass that doobie over here brother --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The ability to appreciate several points of Views simultaneously is a very powerful Taoist technique that will enable you to see the larger picture and see how it all fits in. I'm curious to know TomTraynor's opinion on this.?? TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 08:49:41 - Subject: [FairfieldLife] Stories Maharishi is one of the greatest spiritual teachers the world has ever known. He is a living saint, fully enlightened, and thus incapable of doing anything that is not fully in accord with the laws of nature. There- fore anything that anyone says against him is false, and indicates that the person saying it is either deluded or has some malevolent intent towards this great saint. He's one of the world's 'good guys,' and anyone who speaks ill of him is a 'bad guy.' Maharishi is a con man who has systematically ripped off the gullible seekers who have followed him for decades. He promises them everything -- including enlightenment -- and delivers on almost nothing. And to protect himself he has created an autocracy that punishes any questioning of his authority or his essential 'right' to dictate to his followers what they should do and think with excommunication or worse (legal action should they violate the copy- rights he has taken out on common domain techniques and knowledge). He's a 'bad guy,' and anyone who tells the 'truth' about him (as defined above) is a 'good guy.' Global warming is a serious problem that threatens the future of humanity and the Earth, and those who attempt to diminish its importance are enemies of humanity. Global warming is a scam perpetrated by 'scientists' who are in it for the money, and who are putting over one of the biggest frauds in history on their fellow human beings. Polticians of the Republican/Democrat ic Party (pick one) are 'good guys' who have the welfare of the population as a whole in their hearts. Anyone who says something negative about them is doing so because they *oppose* the welfare of the population as a whole. Such people are liars and are not to be trusted. Polticians of the Republican/Democrat ic Party (pick one) are 'bad guys' who have sold out to the interests of those who control them from behind the scenes. The only thing they care about is themselves, and putting more money and more power in their pockets. Anyone who says something negative about them is doing so because they *oppose* these self-interested actions, and are acting from a sense of heroism, 'protecting' the welfare of the population as a whole. Such people are heroes and are to be trusted implicitly because they *are* heroes. I am 'right' because because the sources I have quoted to support my position are 'better' than yours. You are 'wrong' because because the sources you have quoted to support your position are 'lesser' than mine. My view of who I am and what I do and why I do it is 'correct' and yours is 'incorrect,' because I say so. No one could *possibly* believe the things you're saying about me, so the fact that you're saying them means that you are intentionally 'lying' about me. Your view of who you am and what you do and why
[FairfieldLife] Re: Stories
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of TurquoiseB Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 3:50 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Stories What if we lived in a universe in which ALL of the stories we tell to ourselves and to others are true, and just *seem* to be contradictory? What if the universe supported ALL of these seeming contradictions, without missing a step, and found a way to reconcile ALL of them? It seems to me that we DO live in such a universe. If it can reconcile all these seemingly contradictory stories, why can't we? We can, by being more universal, which is what we're trying to do, if we aspire to enlightenment. Learning to recognize one's cherished stories as relative perspectives that are not necessarily more true than their opposites is a powerful technique for enlightenment. At the same time, though, we don't want to mood-make ourselves into a state in which we lose sight of distinctions and relative values, which can happen if we're told that being more universal is better. It's fine to be *able* to take a universal view, but we ought to be able to operate in the realm of distinctions and values as well. One of the most important distinctions is a meta-distinction, that between facts and opinions. Another is between opinions that are well supported by facts and logic and those that are not, and between stories that are honest reflections of one's thinking and perceptions, and those that are made up to for the purpose of looking good. Yet another is between Zen-like contradictions (paradoxes) and self-serving contradictions due to intellectual laziness and/or dishonesty. Taking the more universal stance should no be used as an excuse to avoid making distinctions and assigning values when appropriate. I respond to an earlier post of yours today, and to the two ideas celebrated in it -- the value of facts and the value of honesty -- with one of each. Fact: That makes 34 posts; one more and you are 'over and out' for the week. Honesty: I hope you use your last post wisely.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Spiritual bookstores as a metaphor for spiritual forums
In a message dated 5/31/2007 8:27:06 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The information is enlightening. It speaks volumes in regards to saying yes to every experience in life. However, it is tough to live up to this in a capitalistic society where you are expected to pay your rent or mortgage on time. If your ideas don't sell then how can you pay your bills. When I worked for Deepak Chorpra I saw his own struggle with this. He is one of the best at selling ideas to the public that make book sales improve in order to keep his contract with his publishers and a working relationship with his agent. We have built a financial world around us which doesn't allow for spiritual development because we depend so much on others buying our ideas. We become educated in order to be better idea people so we can have financial freedom at the cost of not surrendering our need for approval or just being in the moment of expression rather than thinking how can I get something out of this for myself (little mind) in order to survive comfortably in a physical world. And we could have the most valuable message for people on how to live a happier life but it could be completely ignored if it doesn't resonate with what is in style because most people don't know how to think from inside of themselves. They follow the crowd. The bottom line is that it is very difficult to live a spiritual life in the mist of structure. Many of us have chosen to be a part of this struggle by incarnating on this planet and leaving behind a much more open minded culture. My memories of being with my culture (Pleiadian) is so ideal most people think that I'm hallucinating when I talk about it. The free exchange of energy that our economy is based is sharing subtle energy in order to expand. No one is left behind and no one is judged by how much more they have since we see everyone as having the same opportunities to have as much as they need without lack of energy and intelligence. I pray that this planet can allow this type of a system to manifest over the next seven years by 2014. It would help everyone to relax more and flow with divine intelligence rather than having to worry all of the time if others will except my ideas because I need to pay the rent or eat today. In other words, even if people don't enjoy your ideas you can still pay the rent and eat. This is every artists dream also along with many souls that have chosen to do spiritual work. Just a few thoughts. Thanks for the information you provided because it resonates with so many people on the spiritual path and you are giving people some profound information that helps them to say-It's OK that I'm not always excepted for my ideas. Ask the people who are famous for there ideas and you find out that they can have anything they want materially but their is a price to pay spiritually for selling out on your ideas to please your audience. And most of the pleasing is to keep a few wealthy families rich who don't care if your come down with aids or cancer and have nothing left to pay your mortgage with. They will foreclose your home and take the rest of you with them. But, in galactic cultures we will love you even more if your in trouble and provide love and joy to the experience so no one is seperated from the collective idea of inspiring on the basis of giving. There are no ideas to sell in the higer dimensions. Just love to give without needing to own anything or anyone. Lsoma. We live in a world in which many of the conflicts around us are based (IMO) on ideas, and on *how* those ideas are communicated to others. Some on this planet clearly feel that their ideas are so right that they have the duty to convince others of their rightness. Think religious fanatics who actively attempt to convert others to their beliefs. Think those who believe that their particular beliefs or form of meditation or prayer or worship should be mandated, made into a law, and imposed on everyone for their own good. Think even those who seem compelled to react to any idea that is in conflict with their own ideas as an attack, or an excuse for an argument in which they can prove the super- iority of their ideas. Does that seem *respectful* to you? Does that seem like the most effective manner in which one can present one's spiritual ideas to others? It doesn't to me. There is a metaphor that, for me, presents a somewhat cooler way of presenting one's ideas to others -- just *present* them and then see whether anyone has an interest in them. If so, and the other person asks to hear more, explain more. If not, cool. The ideas have been presented, made available. A teacher I used to work with never used the hard sell in his public talks. He never sug- gested in those talks that he or his ideas were better than any other teacher or any other
[FairfieldLife] Re: Stories
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of TurquoiseB Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 3:50 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Stories What if we lived in a universe in which ALL of the stories we tell to ourselves and to others are true, and just *seem* to be contradictory? What if the universe supported ALL of these seeming contradictions, without missing a step, and found a way to reconcile ALL of them? It seems to me that we DO live in such a universe. If it can reconcile all these seemingly contradictory stories, why can't we? We can, by being more universal, which is what we're trying to do, if we aspire to enlightenment. Learning to recognize one's cherished stories as relative perspectives that are not necessarily more true than their opposites is a powerful technique for enlightenment. At the same time, though, we don't want to mood-make ourselves into a state in which we lose sight of distinctions and relative values, which can happen if we're told that being more universal is better. It's fine to be *able* to take a universal view, but we ought to be able to operate in the realm of distinctions and values as well. One of the most important distinctions is a meta-distinction, that between facts and opinions. Another is between opinions that are well supported by facts and logic and those that are not, and between stories that are honest reflections of one's thinking and perceptions, and those that are made up to for the purpose of looking good. Yet another is between Zen-like contradictions (paradoxes) and self-serving contradictions due to intellectual laziness and/or dishonesty. Taking the more universal stance should no be used as an excuse to avoid making distinctions and assigning values when appropriate.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Stories
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are opinions an there are reseach-based findings that are testable by others.The latter can include personal research, aka life experience, working hypotheses, etc. None are ultimate truth in an epistimological sense, but they tend towards being reliable -- some, the more rigoursly reseached oned, very much so. Quantum mechanics makes predictions accurate to 6o7 digits, I am told. An example, personal preference (I like republicans or I like democrats) is an opinon and turrq's stories of contradiction may be relevant in characterizing this and many other like opinions. However, that some are not be able to distinguish between opinion and research-based reliabile findings is interesting and a bit dangerous. Stories AIDS is a deadly sexually easily-transmitted disease. Its risk can be sharply diminished by use of condoms and knowing ones sexual partner(s) well. AIDS is a conspiracy and hoax of the medical establishment and is not sexually transmitted at all, and if I have sex with 100 strangers without condoms, I will never get it. Walking in front of an oncoming bus is very dangerous and can be fatal. Buses are just quantum soup, as am I. I can walk in front of an oncoming bus, and our quantum soups will just pass through each other. Besides I am wearing my magic gemstone and crystals, so I am safe, I am invincible. Going to work everyday brings in a paycheck with which I can pay expenses and save some. Going to work is a stupid con of THE MAN. Mother nature is cool, she will provide me with everything I need as I lay here in the park, just enjoying. Say, pass that doobie over here brother Cute stories, and good point. Although, I have met a few people for whom the last story seems to have *been* a fact. As Stephen King once said in one of his books, God has a special provenance for babies, small children, and the terminally stoned. All 3 *sometimes* escape unscathed from circumstances that bring others down, including having no income. Think the Purusha guys who have managed to get other people to pay for their lives for years, although I'm not sure which of King's three categories they fall into. :-) That joke aside, there seems to me a strong difference between things that *clearly* fall into the realm of facts that can be determined using empirical methods and those that cannot, and should be more rightly classed in the realm of opinion. I think that most of us are capable of determining which is which, and of acting appropriately in the real world, most of the time. But here on FFL the distinc- tion often seems to be blurred. I'll agree that the first of the stories you told above probably deserves to be classed in the Fact column. The third does not because it isn't precise enough; you didn't say how far the walker was from the bus...if the bus is half a block away and there is a red light between you and the bus, chances are that walking in front of the oncoming bus *isn't* all that dangerous. As for the one about work bringing in a paycheck, tell that to the folks who've worked for companies that went bankrupt and stiffed them for their last month's wages. It's not *always* a fact. But let's get back to the stories *I* told earlier. I still think they're all Just Stories, and *don't* deserve to be classed as Fact. Do you disagree? Can you propose a set of empirical methods by which the truth of any of them can be determined to the point that they could be considered Facts? I'm not challeng- ing the gist of what you said; it deserved to be said. I'm just curious. Here they are again: Maharishi is one of the greatest spiritual teachers the world has ever known. He is a living saint, fully enlightened, and thus incapable of doing anything that is not fully in accord with the laws of nature. There- fore anything that anyone says against him is false, and indicates that the person saying it is either deluded or has some malevolent intent towards this great saint. He's one of the world's 'good guys,' and anyone who speaks ill of him is a 'bad guy.' Maharishi is a con man who has systematically ripped off the gullible seekers who have followed him for decades. He promises them everything -- including enlightenment -- and delivers on almost nothing. And to protect himself he has created an autocracy that punishes any questioning of his authority or his essential 'right' to dictate to his followers what they should do and think with excommunication or worse (legal action should they violate the copy- rights he has taken out on common domain techniques and knowledge). He's a 'bad guy,' and anyone who tells the 'truth' about him (as defined above) is a 'good guy.' Global warming is a serious problem that threatens the future of humanity and the Earth, and those who attempt to diminish its importance are enemies of humanity. Global warming is a scam
[FairfieldLife] Re: Stories
Re: Stories There are opinions and there are research-based findings that are testable by others. And such findings can be the basis for making quite accurate predictions about the cause and effect of various things. Research can include personal research, aka life experience, working hypotheses, etc. None are ultimate truth in an epistimological sense, but they tend towards being reliable -- some, the more rigoursly reseached ones, very much so. Quantum mechanics makes predictions accurate to 6-7 digits, I am told. Some opinions not based on research -- personal or scientific -- are simply speculation. Speculation is a great thing. Holding contradictory speculative ideas and models in one's head is a great thing. However, specualtion, that is not based on research, typically is a weak basis for making accurate predictions about cause and effect. Another useful distinction -- one used in the social sciences -- is normative and positive. That which is, and (one's opinion) about what should be. Both can be supported by rigorous research. And there can be different opinions about the validity of various positive and normative claims. However, in the positive realm, if the finding provides a reliable basis for making predictions, it moves beyond mere opinion and speculation. On the other side of the fence, for normative claims, various paries, both intellligent and well read in the reseach, can still disagree. And there can and often is SOME truth in each position. The back and forth between the two camps is a useful and an serve as fuel to move debate and research forward. Back to opinions, as an example, personal preference (I like republicans or I like democrats) is an opinon and turrq's stories of contradiction may be relevant in characterizing this and many other similar opinions. However, if some are not be able to distinguish between opinion and research-based reliabile findings is interesting and a bit dangerous. Stories AIDS is a deadly sexually easily-transmitted disease. Its risk can be sharply diminished by use of condoms and knowing ones sexual partner(s) well. AIDS is a conspiracy and hoax of the medical establishment and is not sexually transmitted at all, and if I have sex with 100 strangers without condoms, I will never get it. Walking in front of an oncoming bus is very dangerous and can be fatal. Buses are just quantum soup, as am I. I can walk in front of an oncoming bus, and our quantum soups will just pass through each other. Besides I am wearing my magic gemstone and crystals, so I am safe, I am invincible. Going to work everyday brings in a paycheck with which I can pay expenses and save some. Going to work is a stupid con of THE MAN. Mother nature is cool, she will provide me with everything I need as I lay here in the park, just enjoying. Say, pass that doobie over here brother --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The ability to appreciate several points of Views simultaneously is a very powerful Taoist technique that will enable you to see the larger picture and see how it all fits in. I'm curious to know TomTraynor's opinion on this.?? TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 08:49:41 - Subject: [FairfieldLife] Stories Maharishi is one of the greatest spiritual teachers the world has ever known. He is a living saint, fully enlightened, and thus incapable of doing anything that is not fully in accord with the laws of nature. There- fore anything that anyone says against him is false, and indicates that the person saying it is either deluded or has some malevolent intent towards this great saint. He's one of the world's 'good guys,' and anyone who speaks ill of him is a 'bad guy.' Maharishi is a con man who has systematically ripped off the gullible seekers who have followed him for decades. He promises them everything -- including enlightenment -- and delivers on almost nothing. And to protect himself he has created an autocracy that punishes any questioning of his authority or his essential 'right' to dictate to his followers what they should do and think with excommunication or worse (legal action should they violate the copy- rights he has taken out on common domain techniques and knowledge). He's a 'bad guy,' and anyone who tells the 'truth' about him (as defined above) is a 'good guy.'
[FairfieldLife] What can feel insulted? Only the self. (was Re: Ann Coulter)
Comment below: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip IMO, the posters here who are able to rise above having to react angrily when someone portrays them in a diff- erent way than they see themselves can do so because they have a basic level of respect for the other posters, and consider them their equals. We're all just seekers here, and all that. In general, those who become indignant do so because they've been insulted by someone they consider lesser than themselves. It's interesting, I have never, even for a second, thought of anyone on this forum--or anywhere else, for that matter--as lesser than myself. That concept is just completely foreign to me and always has been, no matter how nastily they have insulted me (or someone else), no matter what kind of falsehoods the other person has told about me (or someone or something else), no matter how blatant the hypocrisy they indulge in. It's curious that some people seem to see that kind of thinking in me and others when there's a disagreement of some kind. Especially in a post in which *they* clearly indicate that they believe their own purported egalitarianism makes them superior to those whom they believe perceive others to be inferior. **end** But, Judy, can't you see that referring to certain people as nasty, insulting, hypocritical liars might make them feel as if you're making a value judgment?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual bookstores as a metaphor for spiritual forums
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The information is enlightening. It speaks volumes in regards to saying yes to every experience in life. However, it is tough to live up to this in a capitalistic society where you are expected to pay your rent or mortgage on time. If your ideas don't sell then how can you pay your bills. When I worked for Deepak Chorpra I saw his own struggle with this. He is one of the best at selling ideas to the public that make book sales improve in order to keep his contract with his publishers and a working relationship with his agent. We have built a financial world around us which doesn't allow for spiritual development because we depend so much on others buying our ideas. I might suggest that this isn't precisely true, Lou. Those who *sell* their ideas and depend on the money they receive for those ideas to pay their bills may be concerned about whether those ideas sell. But what about the situation I mentioned in my little essay itself? When I taught meditation Rama-style, I did it FOR FUN, paying for all of the expenses myself. I supported myself at another career SO THAT I could have fun that way. It seems to me that it's only the model of *selling* one's spiritual ideas that is dependent on the publish or perish mentality.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Stories
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of TurquoiseB Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 3:50 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Stories What if we lived in a universe in which ALL of the stories we tell to ourselves and to others are true, and just *seem* to be contradictory? What if the universe supported ALL of these seeming contradictions, without missing a step, and found a way to reconcile ALL of them? It seems to me that we DO live in such a universe. If it can reconcile all these seemingly contradictory stories, why can't we? We can, by being more universal, which is what we're trying to do, if we aspire to enlightenment. Learning to recognize one's cherished stories as relative perspectives that are not necessarily more true than their opposites is a powerful technique for enlightenment. At the same time, though, we don't want to mood-make ourselves into a state in which we lose sight of distinctions and relative values, which can happen if we're told that being more universal is better. It's fine to be *able* to take a universal view, but we ought to be able to operate in the realm of distinctions and values as well. One of the most important distinctions is a meta-distinction, that between facts and opinions. Another is between opinions that are well supported by facts and logic and those that are not, and between stories that are honest reflections of one's thinking and perceptions, and those that are made up to for the purpose of looking good. Yet another is between Zen-like contradictions (paradoxes) and self-serving contradictions due to intellectual laziness and/or dishonesty. Taking the more universal stance should no be used as an excuse to avoid making distinctions and assigning values when appropriate. I respond to an earlier post of yours today, and to the two ideas celebrated in it -- the value of facts and the value of honesty -- with one of each. Fact: That makes 34 posts; one more and you are 'over and out' for the week. Honesty: I hope you use your last post wisely. Opinion: It's nice that you're so concerned about the number of my posts that you'd use one of yours just to warn me how many I've made, when you could have used it to make a substantive response to one of my posts (or anybody else's). Fact: I'm doing quite well keeping track of my posts on my own, thanks, so if you have anything more important to do or say, please feel free. Fact: From time to time this summer, I'll be taking long weekends away, without my computer, which means that during the week I may well decide to use up my allotted posts a day or two early, as I did last week and am doing again this week. I'm out of here today very shortly and won't be back until Saturday night. (That's another reason you really don't need to bother to keep me informed about how many posts I've made, since you won't know in advance what my schedule is on any given week. But, you know, if it makes you feel better to do so, relieves some anxiety or whatever, you're more than welcome to continue.) Oh, yeah, and Honesty: So sorry to have to disappoint your hope (which I have absolutely no doubt was sincere).
[FairfieldLife] Re: Using eminent domain to take a farmer's land in Vedic City
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, george_deforest george.deforest@ wrote: people here on FFL seem to be jumping to the conclusion that Vedic City is automatically wrong for this aggressiveness. (just like the grand-standing county supervisors want you to) They ARE automatically wrong. They should pay the farmer what he is asking, or if they deem his price above market value, then they wait. The insidious thing about eminent domain seizures is that they create a precedent that can then be exercised more loosely next time the city wants to annex land. And please give me a break- I've seen pictures of the booming metropolis of so called Vedic City, and they honestly don't need more land, and won't for quite a while...:-) This situation is EXACTLY the kind of PR nightmare the community doesn't need. They should pay the guy what he wants for his property. Or, better yet, buy acreage for a city park within VC. Is there some legal reason why VC can't pull their eminent domain stunt against Global Country, which owns hundreds and hundreds of undeveloped acres inside VC?
RE: [FairfieldLife] Barbed Wire? (was Re: Vedic City takeover)
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of TurquoiseB Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 8:37 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Barbed Wire? (was Re: Vedic City takeover) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , ffia1120 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: . . . Also, why does VC need this land? Like someone mentioned earlier -- there isn't exactly a housing boom going on out at VC. I was just out there on Sunday giving an out- of-town guest a tour. It's still very sparsely populated. Oh, and what's with the barbed wire fencing out at the new pundit housing camp? Um, I beg your pardon, but did you say barbed wire? I presume that's just an imprecise term for fencing made of wire, right? I *hope* that's the case, anyway. I would like to hear a confirmation of this barbed wire thing. I know that there were some instances of pundits and staff ducking under the existing fencing to go visit a friend or something. I wonder if barbed wire has been put up to prevent that?
[FairfieldLife] Day trip to Des Moines to see the talking bonobo apes!
http://abcnews.go.com/WN/Story?id=3222942page=1 I am fascinated with bonobo apes. Ever since I raised a squirrel monkey as a kid I have been intrigued by our social primate cousins. This article is about a project near you guys in Fairfield. Great video on this page on the right also. While you are out there you should swing by the New Melleray Cistercian (Trappist) monastery in Dubuque. Friendly talking apes there too! http://www.newmelleray.org/
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Stories
One of Byron Katie's questions is Can you absolutely know that's true? If you're really honest, the answer has to be no. Is there anything we can know with absolute certainty, other than, perhaps, I am?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual bookstores as a metaphor for spiritual forums
In a message dated 5/31/2007 10:34:49 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) , [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The information is enlightening. It speaks volumes in regards to saying yes to every experience in life. However, it is tough to live up to this in a capitalistic society where you are expected to pay your rent or mortgage on time. If your ideas don't sell then how can you pay your bills. When I worked for Deepak Chorpra I saw his own struggle with this. He is one of the best at selling ideas to the public that make book sales improve in order to keep his contract with his publishers and a working relationship with his agent. We have built a financial world around us which doesn't allow for spiritual development because we depend so much on others buying our ideas. I might suggest that this isn't precisely true, Lou. Those who *sell* their ideas and depend on the money they receive for those ideas to pay their bills may be concerned about whether those ideas sell. But what about the situation I mentioned in my little essay itself? When I taught meditation Rama-style, I did it FOR FUN, paying for all of the expenses myself. I supported myself at another career SO THAT I could have fun that way. It seems to me that it's only the model of *selling* one's spiritual ideas that is dependent on the publish or perish mentality. You are correct. You can be spiritual, spontaneous, creative without the need to sell and still make money. But why have we created a situation where we need to think about earning money at all is my point. More often then not their is so much of the little ego involved with our economic system to control and manipulate others through our *ideas*. People in this world want to own others and will do anything to sell their ideas in order to have that power. You are very rare. Most people want money to buy them power. Many of our spiritual leaders who sell ideas are fallen souls who have settled for power at the cost of creating heaven on earth. Yes, one of them is MMY. The greatest seller of meditation in the world and the most frustrated master as he has tried to work with the system only to be controlled by the judgments and ideas of others who will not except his world plan. He will be much happier going back to the fifth dimension soon. Jai Guru Deva. Lsoma. PS. I believe you said that you didn't charge for meditation in your essay. How can you pay your bills by not charging? Even those who don't charge take donations. ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
[FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willytex@ wrote: Conny Larsson: God's Little Clown Guru of Vedic Mantras Meditation and Yoga Teacher Lecturer on Spirituality Psychic Healer Trans-medium http://tinyurl.com/ytdxf8 Looks like Connie would need some Deep Meditation... The site willy links to is a pro Sai Baba propaganda site, which means pro pedophile pro magic tricks site, which seems dedicated to slandering everyone bringing out the truth about His Sliminess like Connie is doing.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Day trip to Des Moines to see the talking bonobo apes!
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of curtisdeltablues Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 9:53 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Day trip to Des Moines to see the talking bonobo apes! http://abcnews.go.com/WN/Story?id=3222942 http://abcnews.go.com/WN/Story?id=3222942page=1 page=1 I am fascinated with bonobo apes. Ever since I raised a squirrel monkey as a kid I have been intrigued by our social primate cousins. This article is about a project near you guys in Fairfield. Great video on this page on the right also. While you are out there you should swing by the New Melleray Cistercian (Trappist) monastery in Dubuque. Friendly talking apes there too! http://www.newmelleray.org/ Dubuque is in the opposite direction, but thanks for the tip.
[FairfieldLife] Barbed Wire? (was Re: Vedic City takeover)
I would like to hear a confirmation of this barbed wire thing. I know that there were some instances of pundits and staff ducking under the existing fencing to go visit a friend or something. I wonder if barbed wire has been put up to prevent that? I think it takes razor wire to keep lingams from finding yonies. http://www.boundary-fences.com/razorcoil.htm --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of TurquoiseB Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 8:37 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Barbed Wire? (was Re: Vedic City takeover) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , ffia1120 no_reply@ wrote: . . . Also, why does VC need this land? Like someone mentioned earlier -- there isn't exactly a housing boom going on out at VC. I was just out there on Sunday giving an out- of-town guest a tour. It's still very sparsely populated. Oh, and what's with the barbed wire fencing out at the new pundit housing camp? Um, I beg your pardon, but did you say barbed wire? I presume that's just an imprecise term for fencing made of wire, right? I *hope* that's the case, anyway. I would like to hear a confirmation of this barbed wire thing. I know that there were some instances of pundits and staff ducking under the existing fencing to go visit a friend or something. I wonder if barbed wire has been put up to prevent that?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Day trip to Des Moines to see the talking bonobo apes!
I was confused, it has been so long. I am living in an area that pronounces your home state Ohio! Old Iowa joke. I used to stay at that monastery when I was a student. It is really charming. Very peaceful surrounded by farm land. The stone chapel is beautiful and the monks chants bounce off the tall walls. I would happily go again if I was out that way. I would enjoy finding out how I would relate to it all without a theistic perspective. I suspect the experience would be just as cool. At the end of the day they all sing the Salve Regina in Latin to a picture of Mary. Reminds me of Carl Jung's Animus and Anima theory. Really beautiful. They make beautiful caskets to support themselves. Although I am donating my body to a drunken fraternity for pledge pranks when I die, I would love one of these as a coffee table. Very goth or using death as an adviser Don Juan style. Probably not too good for scoring with chicks without tribal tats and multiple piercings though! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of curtisdeltablues Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 9:53 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Day trip to Des Moines to see the talking bonobo apes! http://abcnews.go.com/WN/Story?id=3222942 http://abcnews.go.com/WN/Story?id=3222942page=1 page=1 I am fascinated with bonobo apes. Ever since I raised a squirrel monkey as a kid I have been intrigued by our social primate cousins. This article is about a project near you guys in Fairfield. Great video on this page on the right also. While you are out there you should swing by the New Melleray Cistercian (Trappist) monastery in Dubuque. Friendly talking apes there too! http://www.newmelleray.org/ Dubuque is in the opposite direction, but thanks for the tip.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual bookstores as a metaphor for spiritual forums
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 5/31/2007 10:34:49 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, TurquoiseB writes: I might suggest that this isn't precisely true, Lou. Those who *sell* their ideas and depend on the money they receive for those ideas to pay their bills may be concerned about whether those ideas sell. But what about the situation I mentioned in my little essay itself? When I taught meditation Rama-style, I did it FOR FUN, paying for all of the expenses myself. I supported myself at another career SO THAT I could have fun that way. It seems to me that it's only the model of *selling* one's spiritual ideas that is dependent on the publish or perish mentality. You are correct. You can be spiritual, spontaneous, creative without the need to sell and still make money. But why have we created a situation where we need to think about earning money at all is my point. Hey, if you can invent a system in which we *don't* have to earn a living, I'm all for it. :-) More often then not their is so much of the little ego involved with our economic system to control and manipulate others through our *ideas*. People in this world want to own others and will do anything to sell their ideas in order to have that power. You are very rare. Most people want money to buy them power. Many of our spiritual leaders who sell ideas are fallen souls who have settled for power at the cost of creating heaven on earth. Hey, I'm a pretty fallen soul myself. Unlike others, I kinda like it down here. :-) It's just that I am personally fascinated by this teach spirituality for free thang. It's part of what fascinates me about the Cathars. Their priests or perfecti (which included an equal number of men and women, by the way) all supported themselves with a career (as scribes, by papermaking, or with manual labor). They never made a cent from their teaching or healing activities. There was no such idea as supported clergy. Also there weren't any churches or organization to support. ALL of the 'bonhommes' worked for a living, even those at the highest level of their organization. I saw it again in a story a couple of years ago about a (I think) Belgian monastery that had won the prize for the Best Beer In The World. Their entire year's production of the beer sold out within days of the announcement, and business magazines such as Forbes and Fortune went to interview the monks, and to ask them what they were going to do to increase production and meet the increased demand. They replied that they had no intention of doing any such thing. They were going to continue making the same amount of beer. As they pointed out to the incredulous business reporters, We're monks. We make the beer to pay for our lives as monks. The current production brings in enough money to do that. Why should we increase our production? Call me a dreamer, but I think that monks who work for a living to arrange their lives such that they can then give away their spiritual services for free are onto something. I believe you said that you didn't charge for meditation in your essay. How can you pay your bills by not charging? Even those who don't charge take donations. In my case, for the classes I taught, I paid for everything myself. In the case of the teacher who first mentioned the spiritual bookstore metaphor to me, *at the time* he paid for his own life himself, from sales of previous books, and both he and all of us students contributed to the costs of the public talks. We thought of it as a fun thing to do. Later on the book money ran out and this teacher, instead of writing more, started charging his direct students a monthly tuition. And over the years, that tuition became larger and larger and larger. As I said before, I thought he was onto a more evolved teaching model earlier in his career than he was later in it.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Barbed Wire? (was Re: Vedic City takeover)
On May 31, 2007, at 8:37 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: Um, I beg your pardon, but did you say barbed wire? It's obviously to keep all the crazy, wild women of FF away from the pundits' purity. Is it even legal to use that for people? I'll go down in a few minutes to see if it's really barbed wire. This I gotta see. I presume that's just an imprecise term for fencing made of wire, right? I *hope* that's the case, anyway. If it's not, I just can't *wait* to hear speculation from TM TBs on whether it's to keep people out of the compound or in it. And on whether it's appropriate in either case. There are some books in the FFL spiritual bookstore that I'd pre-order before release. This is one of them. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0
Richard J. Williams wrote: ...Microsoft Vista was designed from the bottom up for PlaysForSure and the WMA format; Bhairitu wrote: You drink the kool-aid and I listen to people who actually worked on Vista. If you listened to people who actually worked on Vista you probably wouldn't have rushed off to Best Buy to purchase Windows Vista Home Edition to install on your old laptop with 512MB of RAM. And for what purpose? You could probably back up your entire hard drive on a single floppy diskette. No, if you were paying attention you would have learned that to make sure some software I've developed works on Vista I purchased a Vista notebook. Not what I wanted to do but it was necessary to verify the software ran. I also needed an extra notebook for another project. Except for the low memory which is easily fixed by adding another 512 mb for $40 the notebook was a good bargain. Unlike many users I don't use a notebook as my everyday machine, just mainly for traveling so I don't even need a power notebook.
[FairfieldLife] What can feel insulted? Only the self. (was Re: Ann Coulter)
TurquoiseB wrote: Laugh at those who feel compelled to post the jibes and insults consistently, and thus reveal so much about themselves. guffaw! Barry Wright wrote: What Willytex is *really* doing with those prairie dogs Willytex's (Richard Williams) new name! Willy's a troll. Wee Willy Wanker Willytex's new name! You had him pegged right - he's a total loser. Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental,alt.buddha.short.fat.guy From: willytex Date: 2 Mar 2006 Subject: My Recent Fan Mail http://tinyurl.com/2el8ym
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ann Coulter on illegal immigrants
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another thought here: How can you possibly not care that there are several people on this forum who *routinely and deliberately* tell falsehoods? Great question! Speaking for myself alone, it's because I know them, and I know how much weight to give their postings. If they touch my heart, I thank them, inwardly or outwardly. If they don't, I ignore them. They are who they are. Arguing with them, as I used to do from time to time when I first came to FFL, felt like Brer Rabbit's kicking the tar-baby. The tar baby didn't get any cleaner, and I came away needing a good scrub. To change analogies, on closer look I found that I was trying to comb the mirror to fix my own unruly hair. The part of me that was irritated by them was often the very part I saw in them -- my inner fundamentalist, the one who was so certain he was right, the one who never saw the need to change, the one who had so little integrity he was projecting all his sins out onto others and damning them. Over the years I've come to see that almost always this little self- righteous guy is generally *not* absolutely right -- in fact, he's almost always wrong, he didn't see the bigger picture. In my case, the bigger picture has turned out to be my feeling-level. On the feeling level, he's in pain; I am not as attracted to identify with the self-righteousness of the fundamentalist crusader as I once was. Nor do I hate him, as I once did -- the hate and the unconscious identification being two sides of the same coin. I've found this is the only way I can really reach the little guy -- through detachment. By neither hating nor identifying with him, I am free to love him, as he is. And that's more important to me than his being right or wrong. This is not to say that any of this is what You should or should not be doing, of course. Who am I to judge You? As far as I can see, I think what you're doing and who you are, is great. I am just trying to clarify why I don't care about their falsehoods. It's because I found that just behind caring who was right and who was wrong, was caring for the being who cared so much, and that being was in a lot of pain. Identifying with that being exclusively, had become intensely painful. Whether I was right or they were -- neither way worked for me. Either way, I lost! Or to put it another way, my belly won -- but my heart lost. For me, since then, it is generally a great relief to realize it's not me; it's not them; it's a pattern between Us. snip I truly don't understand that kind of thinking. Resistance to dishonesty should be a *reflex*, an instinct. It *should* be an addiction. If you're enjoying this stance, I think it's great -- more power to you. For me, resistance = projection/identification = pain, and I generally prefer detachment/love, in this moment. *L*L*L*
[FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willytex@ wrote: Conny Larsson: God's Little Clown Guru of Vedic Mantras Meditation and Yoga Teacher Lecturer on Spirituality Psychic Healer Trans-medium http://tinyurl.com/ytdxf8 Looks like Connie would need some Deep Meditation... The site willy links to is a pro Sai Baba propaganda site, which means pro pedophile pro magic tricks site, which seems dedicated to slandering everyone bringing out the truth about His Sliminess like Connie is doing. Information is not 'slander' when it's true, verifiable and is referenced. And funny enough, many ex-devotees of Sathya Sai Baba believe (even to this day) that Sathya Sai Baba does possess genuine paranormal powers. Amusingly, they attribute these powers to a dark force and some have claimed that Sai Baba is an astral demon (how's that for rational)! Let me sum up Conny's case against Sathya Sai Baba: Conny claimed he was sexually abused from 1979 to 1983 (a period of 4 years) by Sathya Sai Baba when he was an adult (31-34 years of age). Conny claimed that he knew that others were being sexually abused from 1986 to 1999 (a period of 13 years) and he did absolutely nothing about it despite being a pyschotherapist himself. In 1999, after spending many hours with a deprogrammer, Conny Larsson all of a sudden recovered 39 year old suppressed memories of being sexually abused as a child, recovered memories that Sathya Sai Baba sexually abused him and at the same time realized Sathya Sai Baba was a fraud and cheat. A few months before his defection, Conny Larsson was recorded on audio tapes crying and sobbing uncontrollably, relating utterly astounding miracles he experienced with Sathya Sai Baba and professing his undying devotion to him. Funny how people are more than willing to believe Conny's unsupported defamations against Sathya Sai Baba yet dismiss his numerous miraculous experiences. If Conny lied about Baba's powers, who is to say he is telling the truth now? If Conny was truthful about Baba's powers then why does everyone completely dismiss those experiences? Unlike other gurus, Sathya Sai Baba has never been charged with any crime, sexual or otherwise. As a matter of fact, not even one alleged victim has even tried to file a basic police complaint or court case against Sai Baba in India. In all these years, there have been no complaints from children or parents of children that Sathya Sai Baba is a pedophile who molests children. Not even one single verifiable grievance, complaint, record, file or anything else for that matter. Those who discuss the very disturbing online behavior of critics of Sathya Sai Baba (most of which is utterly obscene and profane) are subject to vicious defamation campaigns by ex-devotes. Yet I do not see anyone complaining about ex-devotees smear and hate campaigns. It appears critics and skeptics are allowed to engage in whatever behavior they choose with impunity and everyone else is held to a different standard. This type of behavior, in layman's terms, is called hypocrisy.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Stories
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of Byron Katie's questions is Can you absolutely know that's true? If you're really honest, the answer has to be no. Is there anything we can know with absolute certainty, other than, perhaps, I am? - I'm going to riff on your statement, Rick. Doing this just to see how it comes out -- for the thousandth time. Funnily enough, having the thought, I am, is not pure amness being experienced. It is a thought, and during pure amness, hey, no thoughts. Additionally, the ego is non-sentient. It is a process of the nervous system -- it cannot know even one thing -- it is an activity, merely one noise that accompanies all the other ways a nervous system can make a noise -- only this particular noise gets an inordinate amount of attention while the other dynamics of human experiencing are more in the background. Quick, what message is your elbow saying to you right now? See? It's always there trying to get your attention too -- always cluing you in. Your whole damned shebang is trying to get attention, do its dance, but the ego won't get off stage! Amness is not an experience. The ego is unified when one (ego) has transcended-dissolved into amness, so there's no one to experience anything -- other than our good old faithful Absolute. The Absolute is the only sentience -- amness is to Absolute as dummy is to ventriloquist. Amness is illusory. A representation. A symbol. An activity of a nervous system that, partially only, it is as close as a map can be to the territory without being the territory. Brahma poses as Brahman and fools everyone, including Himself. Even the purity of amness cannot find purchase on the Absolute which cannot be stained by any conditional. When the ego re-emerges from transcendence, it REMEMBERS the amness -- that is, it has a thought about having had (been) that experience in the very recent past. That thought will seem to be UTTERLY VALID, but it is just another thought that can merely at best symbolize unity while being an act of duality. Certainly we cannot doubt our own sentience. BOTH my I's are here when I'm in the waking state. I (ego) am here now, and I (Absolute) witness it with perfect stealthiness -- but no ego can catch me doing it! Once manifested out of the primal unity of amness, the ego says I exist, but the Absolute says, That's what you're settling for? Why not have all of non-existence too! -- and then some! Because the ego thinks that only it symbolizes sentience-witnessing, the human experience is impoverished in that all the other symbols of existing -- heart beats, breathing, paper cut pain, whatever -- are not allowed to be honored as equally representative of the unbounded fecundity of amness -- in a word, sacred -- as important as the ego -- deserving as much right to be objects of consciousness as the ego. The heart speaks in its own way, right? Don't nee no steekink thoughts! Everything is talking to you. The wholeness sings! Unfortunately, the ego thinks it's the star of the choir! So, though the thought, I am is a bazzillionth of the whole of experiencing, the ego is completely hoggy in grabbing one's identity. Talk about being small as an atom! Talk about being a nit instead of a wit! You always see that tiny little wandering monk way down at the bottom of these huge paintings of Asian landscapes. That's the right way to think of the ego amongst the wilderness of its nervous system's many operations. These monks are humble, know their insignificant heft, and are honored to be the pretend observer of the rest of creation. Ah, that felt good. I'll probably do it again soon. Edg
Re: [FairfieldLife] Barbed Wire? (was Re: Vedic City takeover)
On May 31, 2007, at 9:54 AM, Rick Archer wrote: I would like to hear a confirmation of this barbed wire thing. I know that there were some instances of pundits and staff ducking under the existing fencing to go visit a friend or something. I wonder if barbed wire has been put up to prevent that? Alright, I just got back from taking a look. There is a high, wire-type fence up around the frats that might look from a distance like barbed wire, but isn't. What it is is a very high metal fence, with some type of covers on much of it to, you know, keep out the massive throngs that otherwise would undoubtedly be panting to get in. Not a real friendly-looking place, in other words. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Barbed Wire? (was Re: Vedic City takeover)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On May 31, 2007, at 9:54 AM, Rick Archer wrote: I would like to hear a confirmation of this barbed wire thing. I know that there were some instances of pundits and staff ducking under the existing fencing to go visit a friend or something. I wonder if barbed wire has been put up to prevent that? Alright, I just got back from taking a look. There is a high, wire-type fence up around the frats that might look from a distance like barbed wire, but isn't. What it is is a very high metal fence, with some type of covers on much of it to, you know, keep out the massive throngs that otherwise would undoubtedly be panting to get in. Not a real friendly-looking place, in other words. Sal But what about the new pundit compound out in vedic city??
Re: [FairfieldLife] Barbed Wire? (was Re: Vedic City takeover)
On May 31, 2007, at 12:50 PM, boo_lives wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On May 31, 2007, at 9:54 AM, Rick Archer wrote: I would like to hear a confirmation of this barbed wire thing. I know that there were some instances of pundits and staff ducking under the existing fencing to go visit a friend or something. I wonder if barbed wire has been put up to prevent that? Alright, I just got back from taking a look. There is a high, wire-type fence up around the frats that might look from a distance like barbed wire, but isn't. What it is is a very high metal fence, with some type of covers on much of it to, you know, keep out the massive throngs that otherwise would undoubtedly be panting to get in. Not a real friendly-looking place, in other words. Sal But what about the new pundit compound out in vedic city?? So there's one out there too?? Maybe that's where they keep the TB cases. Anybody know where it is, exactly? I'll be glad to go out and check if there really is one. If so, this is the first I've heard of it. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Barbed Wire? (was Re: Vedic City takeover)
Wrong place Sal. Not on campus. This new compound (for want of a better word) is out on the right just past the Rukmapura. My TB friend said it was the new housing for the pundits. It sits WAY back off the road. The prefab housing is white, smaller than the original pundit housing now occupied by Mother Divine (beige colored houses), and has the small cone thingies on the roofs. There are also a couple of bigger buildings that may be dining/flying halls. The fence facing the main road (next to Rukmapura) is green chain link. However, if you turn right onto the gravel road built for access to the new pundit compound, the fencing is barbed wire. I drove up to the gate (east facing) and it was closed with a chain and padlock. There also appeared to be cameras monitoring the gate. I asked my TB friend why there was barbed wire and she said it was to protect the pundits. If I have time tonight, I will drive out, snap a couple of pictures and post them here. I had no idea pundit housing was being built out there until I asked my TB friend what the new digs were for. Go take a look Sal. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On May 31, 2007, at 9:54 AM, Rick Archer wrote: I would like to hear a confirmation of this barbed wire thing. I know that there were some instances of pundits and staff ducking under the existing fencing to go visit a friend or something. I wonder if barbed wire has been put up to prevent that? Alright, I just got back from taking a look. There is a high, wire-type fence up around the frats that might look from a distance like barbed wire, but isn't. What it is is a very high metal fence, with some type of covers on much of it to, you know, keep out the massive throngs that otherwise would undoubtedly be panting to get in. Not a real friendly-looking place, in other words. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Barbed Wire?
Sal -- head out to the Rukmapura. Look to your left as you reach the Rukmapura. You'll see the compound sitting way back off the road. There is a gravel road that leads to it. Maybe the barbed wire fence is cheaper than the chain link fence facing the main road? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On May 31, 2007, at 12:50 PM, boo_lives wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On May 31, 2007, at 9:54 AM, Rick Archer wrote: I would like to hear a confirmation of this barbed wire thing. I know that there were some instances of pundits and staff ducking under the existing fencing to go visit a friend or something. I wonder if barbed wire has been put up to prevent that? Alright, I just got back from taking a look. There is a high, wire-type fence up around the frats that might look from a distance like barbed wire, but isn't. What it is is a very high metal fence, with some type of covers on much of it to, you know, keep out the massive throngs that otherwise would undoubtedly be panting to get in. Not a real friendly-looking place, in other words. Sal But what about the new pundit compound out in vedic city?? So there's one out there too?? Maybe that's where they keep the TB cases. Anybody know where it is, exactly? I'll be glad to go out and check if there really is one. If so, this is the first I've heard of it. Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Barbed Wire?
On May 31, 2007, at 1:58 PM, ffia1120 wrote: Sal -- head out to the Rukmapura. Look to your left as you reach the Rukmapura. You'll see the compound sitting way back off the road. There is a gravel road that leads to it. Maybe the barbed wire fence is cheaper than the chain link fence facing the main road? Got it--I'm on my way as soon as I load up the dog--she wants to see this too. :) Has to be one of the more bizarre things they've done. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Advice Sought, Secular Meditation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I'm new to this list, so I hope the following post is appropriate. It is also somewhat lengthy, for which I apologise - conciseness was never my strong point. But I am in search of a spot of advice, and wondered if anyone here could help... large snip There are, of course, non-mantra based meditations. But those that I have encountered seem based around the breath. And although this would indeed seem universal, what quiet I do find through TM comes when thought of breath has fallen away (as a woodwind musician, I am rarely unaware of, if not actively controlling, my breath). Hmm. I'm not sure there is a question in the above, so much as a seeking of thoughts and opinion. Is the mantra used of importance? If so, why? If not, why?! Do there by any chance exist other non mantra-based, non- religious, 'aimless' meditations? Are my thought processes described above flawed? If so, why and how? Anyways, thanks for reading this far, and any advice would be greatfully received. John Yes, check out some books by Dr. David R. Hawkins for instance. Western enlightened spiritual guy who gives out secular meditation practices. For the longterm non-secular meditator his books and talks can be excellant advanced checking of spiritual experience. An Interesting synthesis in a life, of apex of Western and Eastern experience with meditation, spiritual experience and enlightenment as, secular. Similar to Eastern veneer of 'gurus' from India or Asia yet without the cultural non-secular trip-traps of their shows. In his books there often are short description of productive secular spiritual practice meditation. You might like his books for your experience. Highly spiritual and like a modern-day Emerson. -Doug in FF
RE: [FairfieldLife] Barbed Wire? (was Re: Vedic City takeover)
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sal Sunshine Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 10:50 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Barbed Wire? (was Re: Vedic City takeover) On May 31, 2007, at 8:37 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: Um, I beg your pardon, but did you say barbed wire? It's obviously to keep all the crazy, wild women of FF away from the pundits' purity. Is it even legal to use that for people? I'll go down in a few minutes to see if it's really barbed wire. This I gotta see. It may not be the compound on campus but the one up in Vedic City.
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