[FairfieldLife] Re: Dear Bevan and Dr. Hagelin:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of off_world_beings Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 7:39 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dear Bevan and Dr. Hagelin: Lol, got any scientific proof to back up your statements, published in peer-reviewed scientific journals? There are peer-reviewed studies on TM, but none on Kundalini, which is the topic at hand. However, I agree that many in the TMO have awakened kundalini. Based on what? I mean, can you give me even one testimonial? (See Revelation, that's an honest account). Obviously you and offworld haven't since you passed the opportunity to say as much.? You obviously do not practise the TM- Sidhi techniques ;-)
[FairfieldLife] Self-Annihilation of Everything Worth Anything (Was From a realized devotee of RM ...)
Turq and other guru enthusiasts, take a look at this quote posted for us by Ron from Sri Lakshmana Swami, a realized devotee of Ramana Maharishi. It provides a great example of why I look at gurus and what they teach quite differently than you do. Turb told me gurus don't speak against having desires, merely against being attached to desires, but that is just the gobbeldygook we've been handed. It amounts to the same thing. If one's ideal is to be nonattached to desire, one's goal is to divide oneself from oneself, as desire is a most intimate aspect of our individuality. Desire is not wrong! It is not base or tainted! A desire is an expression of free and creative mind, an impulse to do, have or experience something in the world. It is a way of interfacing with manifest reality, a way of influencing it. It is the CROWN JEWEL of free expression, thought, and feeling. The signature mark of an individual. Ron's quote below is all about destroying the mind, destroying the I-thought, destroying individuality. It states what gurus in general say -- that individuality must be subsumed by the cosmic for freedom and enlightenment to occur. I say, bullshit. IMO, individuality -- in all its wonderful expressions -- is the very purpose of creation, and destroying it is antithetical to the original divine intention. Anyone who tells us that mind must die, that the sense of I must die, that desire must die (or that we must detach from it) is leading us down the primrose path to nonexistence. Who would want to do that? Someone who doesn't want us becoming powerful beings who do and manifest things. Who would possibly not want us to be powerful manifesters? Well, check out the Indian scriptures, or the myths of ancient religions, and the answer is plain: the gods. Over and over the scriptures and legends tell us that the gods don't want mankind to get too powerful because that is threatening to them. In fact, say Indian scriptures, the gods OPPOSE human enlightenment, putting obstacles in the path. Only by getting in REALLY good with a particular god can you hope to overcome the gods' aversion to your reaching liberation -- the god you've devoutly worshipped takes pity on you and talks the other devas into letting you pass through the rye. One of the conditions of passing through is that you accept the world as it is, so when you become an empowered master you won't mess up the system that keeps the gods on top and the human race underneath. Three things have to happen to the aspirant before he is blessed with the Self unfolding the Self to itself: 1) he must come to believe that the world is perfect as it is (so he won't want to change anything) 2) he must come to believe that having desires or viewpoints of his own is a bad thing (so he won't want to change anything) 3) he must willingly give up his individuality and even his mind (so he won't BE ABLE to change anything) Zombified and depersonalized on every level, such an aspirant is safe to let through the gate. Let him have his cosmic peace and bliss, because he won't hurt anything. The world can go on as it always has, the way the gods want it -- such an enlightened human won't challenge the system. The only people allowed to become masters in the traditional Indian sense are people who have either surrendered all to the gods or surrendered all on the alter of a belief that mind-desire-thought-individuality are opposed to their supreme freedom. It's a self-generating system: the disciple who falls for this shit becomes the master who fell for the shit becomes the guru who gets others to fall for the shit. And the whole doggone system plays right into the game of these other-dimensional entities who tell us they are our gods. Who are these guys really, the people we chant mantras to, bow down to, sing the praises of? Are they our friends? All the scriptures show them to be self-serving. They only help us out when it suits their purposes. They tell us we need them to bring the rain, to shine the sun, to manage the winds -- and that they need our worship, our soma, to nourish them so they can do that. This is the same argument human petty warlords use to convince the local peasants to pay taxes and support them while the warlords live high on the hog. It's all BULLSHIT. What makes the sun shine? The sun. What makes the wind come? The wind. What makes it rain? The clouds. Not gods, not beings in other dimensions posing as our protectors. Each being in the creation has its own consciousness. It operates on its own consciousness. It operates in concert with the entities in its environment. There is no magic. There are no gods. There are only individuals. Some of those individuals have chosen to pull the wool over our eyes, and the rest of us have let them. Even the seekers who don't buy the need for mantras and gods still normally fall for the
[FairfieldLife] Staring at Death, and Finding Their Bliss
Review of the documentary Dhamma Brothers, a film on vipassana meditation at Donaldson Correctional Facility, a maximum-security prison with a death-row capacity for 24 inmates outside Birmingham, Ala. http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/13/movies/13dhar.html?_r=1oref=slogin
[FairfieldLife] Re: Wonderful film !
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TurquoiseB wrote: I finally got out to the movies last night, after maybe four months without having been able to see a film in a theater. And it was a matter of some curiosity to me which movie I'd pick, being in Paris and with a lot of them to choose from. So how do you travel from Spain to Paries? Car, train or plane? Plane. A one-hour flight from Barcelona. The film is supposed to release limited tomorrow here in the US. I guess it will be an exclusive San Francisco engagement around here or we only struck so many prints. These days though the latter is a lame excuse since theaters are going digital and there are no prints to strike with that. To my disappointment my local theater which is 100% digital (8 screens) seems to be booking dumb films so they can pay off their Christies. :( But a new Wes Anderson film The Darjeerling Limited is releasing this month that might be of special interest here since it takes place in India and is about 3 brothers played by Jason Schwartzman, Adrien Brody and Owen Wilson who travel there and get stranded. But maybe Canada stands in for India for all I know. I'll look for it. Thanks for the tip.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Self-Annihilation of Everything Worth Anything (Was From a realized devotee
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bronte Baxter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Turq and other guru enthusiasts... Bronte and other idiots, take a look at yourselves. You're PROJECTING your own shit, babe. As almost anyone here could tell you, I am no guru enthusiast. Get your own act together before you start bagging others, eh? I didn't even bother to read the rest of your post, and probably won't until you catch a clue.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Love, the Ramtha School and Kundulini
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, brontebaxter8 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How long were you involved in Ramtha? Any other highlights from that association - that you care to share? I studied there for ten years. I left because it got into some weird stuff, like wild drinking as a path to enlightenment. Also because Ramtha was becoming too guru-like for me. I don't know if Ramtha is a real entity who is being channeled or if it's JZ Knight (the channel) acting, but however they pulled it off, they did teach us some pretty amazing things. I know almost nothing about the JZ Knight trip except for two things. An old buddy of mine from the Rama trip wound up over there, and because he was rich, wound up paying for and producing the Ramtha-front flick, What the bleep... It was while watching that film in Sauve with my friend Robert Crumb that I got my second hit on it. Robert, who has been meditating himself for 30 years and who has the most accurate bull- shit detector I've ever encountered, watched the film and then said, The scientists were Ok if you like that sort of thing, but who was that weird woman they kept putting onscreen who acted as if she was possessed by a drunken Satan? He just nailed it IMO. That was my take on her as well.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Everybody knows God is nonpartisan
In a message dated 9/13/07 6:43:03 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: God finds homosexuality detestable Lev 18:22, God will judge those that practice homosexual behavior Romans 1:18-32, and Homosexual behavior has no place among Christians 1 Corinthians 6:9-10. Clearly God doesn't agree nor does Christ agree with what you believe they think. You're apparently too smug to have read the perspective of the above scriptures written by a Baptist minister which I provided. Paul's and Leviticus' references are thoroughly addressed. And Christ said NOTHING AT ALL about homosexuality. I could care less what one person who calls himself a Baptist minister thinks. Look at the varying interpretations of things M says on this list. Christianity nor Judaism has EVER accepted Homosexuality as normal acceptable behavior or an alternative life style and has ALWAYS condemned it. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Self-Annihilation of Everything Worth Anything (Was From a realized devotee of RM ...)
Bronte, you seem to have had some very bad experiences with gurus (if they really were such. Some comments below: --- Bronte Baxter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Turq and other guru enthusiasts, take a look at this quote posted for us by Ron from Sri Lakshmana Swami, a realized devotee of Ramana Maharishi. It provides a great example of why I look at gurus and what they teach quite differently than you do. Turb told me gurus don't speak against having desires, merely against being attached to desires, but that is just the gobbeldygook we've been handed. Yes, from a waking state perspective it truly is gobbeldygook and doesn't make any sense at all. To an individuality or a jiva, desires are the primary way of relating to the world. This gobbeldygook effect is one reason why the Bhagavad Gita mentions that the Realized should not talk about their experience to the not yet Realized-it won't make any sense. It amounts to the same thing. If one's ideal is to be nonattached to desire, one's goal is to divide oneself from oneself, as desire is a most intimate aspect of our individuality. Agreed. As long as individuality is there, there is attachment. Attempting to be non-attached to attachment can create some very bizarre moodmaking to say the least. Desire is not wrong! It is not base or tainted! A desire is an expression of free and creative mind, an impulse to do, have or experience something in the world. It is a way of interfacing with manifest reality, a way of influencing it. It is the CROWN JEWEL of free expression, thought, and feeling. The signature mark of an individual. Agreed. You are talking about psychological freedom here. You experienced your psychological freedom enslaved by a guru or a movement directed by a guru (the TMO and Ramtha-this last one I'm just assuming). This enslavement led to nothing but suffereing? Ron's quote below is all about destroying the mind, destroying the I-thought, destroying individuality. It states what gurus in general say -- that individuality must be subsumed by the cosmic for freedom and enlightenment to occur. I say, bullshit. IMO, individuality -- in all its wonderful expressions -- is the very purpose of creation, and destroying it is antithetical to the original divine intention. Anyone who tells us that mind must die, that the sense of I must die, that desire must die (or that we must detach from it) is leading us down the primrose path to nonexistence. The cry of the mind! Agreed. From the perspective of the mind (Ramana's definition) or individuality there is absolutely no benefit to Realization. Realization destroys the individuality. But its destruction does not even remotely lead to nonexistence. You are saying (ala MMY) My grass hut! My grass hut! Why would I leave my grass hut? And you're right. If all you know is your grass hut (individuality) and all of existence is related to through the grass hut, as it were, then an idea that denegrates the grass hut or an idea that clearly implies the destruction of the grass hut of course is seen as absurd. The dharma of the grass hut has to play itself out. No one can force you from the grass hut. You need to experience all aspects of grass hut life, then it will play itself out. Then and only then will you be curious of what lies outside the grass hut. This is what happened to Buddha. He had a beautiful grass hut and he had everything the grass hut could offer. Absolutely no suffering from the grass hut perspective, but still he said, WTF? Something wasn't right. Who would want to do that? Someone who doesn't want us becoming powerful beings who do and manifest things. Who would possibly not want us to be powerful manifesters? Well, check out the Indian scriptures, or the myths of ancient religions, and the answer is plain: the gods. Over and over the scriptures and legends tell us that the gods don't want mankind to get too powerful because that is threatening to them. In fact, say Indian scriptures, the gods OPPOSE human enlightenment, putting obstacles in the path. Only by getting in REALLY good with a particular god can you hope to overcome the gods' aversion to your reaching liberation -- the god you've devoutly worshipped takes pity on you and talks the other devas into letting you pass through the rye. I wouldn't take this too literally. All gods are bound space/time dharmas simply being what they are. All existence or existences are strongly bound to just what they are. Just as your individuality fights for existence so do the gods. In fact your struggle is the struggle of the asuras and devas. Everything you've ever read about the gods is about you. I'll just sum up what I'm trying to say here because of time constraints. I agree with almost everything you're saying, but in a different context. You have clearly articulated the downside of following a spiritual path that does not or has not yet led to liberation for you.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Study Links Homophobia with Homosexual Arousal
In a message dated 9/13/07 7:42:25 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Psychoanalytic theory holds that homophobia --the fear, anxiety, anger, discomfort and aversion that some ostensibly heterosexual people hold for gay individuals -- is the result of repressed homosexual urges that the person is either unaware of or denies Having an *aversion* or feeling *discomfort* about something doesn't constitute a phobia. Look up the definition of the word. If one doesn't like crime and averts it, is that irrational? If one doesn't like spinach is that a phobia? Are vegetarians meataphobics? So to not agree with the Gay agenda or support it and consider homosexual conduct to be abhorrent doesn't automatically make one homophobic. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dear Bevan and Dr. Hagelin:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, matrixmonitor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ---This is ridiculous! There is no hidden kundalini message in this. It's a clear revelation concerning the Person of Jesus Christ. Don't invent your own New Age meanings. The point is very few have fully transcended even once, so it's silly to suggest thousands are functioning from the 'home' (TC) of all the laws of nature. Most TM'er IMO transcend about two bubbles worth and may have tip toed thru the sleeping elephants once or twice. The bubble diagram doesn't really kick in until one actually fully transcends and lifts the sleeping 'serpent fire' in the spine to the 6th chakra, and finally to the 7th which is Unity Consciousness(CC in most Yoga schools). Transcending is *conscious dying*, the only difference between transcending and death is in transcending you can come back...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Study Links Homophobia with Homosexual Arousal
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/13/07 7:42:25 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Psychoanalytic theory holds that homophobia --the fear, anxiety, anger, discomfort and aversion that some ostensibly heterosexual people hold for gay individuals -- is the result of repressed homosexual urges that the person is either unaware of or denies Having an *aversion* or feeling *discomfort* about something doesn't constitute a phobia. Look up the definition of the word. If one doesn't like crime and averts it, is that irrational? If one doesn't like spinach is that a phobia? Are vegetarians meataphobics? So to not agree with the Gay agenda or support it and consider homosexual conduct to be abhorrent doesn't automatically make one homophobic. FAG! FAG! FAG! You pillowing biting, butt pirate, tu-tu wearing San Fransico living Liberal, you! I bet you want to make-out with Nancy Pelosi (but that would make you straight and since you are obviously g*ynever mind). ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com Check out the hottest 2008 models today at Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Homophobics and Leviticus by William Edelen
In a message dated 9/13/07 6:51:41 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: All of you Oliver North, Jerry Falwell, Billy Graham, Pat Robertson, James Dobson fundamentalist biblical phonies, if you say Leviticus is God's word on Gays and Lesbians, than the entire book is obviously God's word to anyone with an I.Q. above 3 So LIVE IT. WALK THE TALK...OR GET OFF IT. Something William Edelen doesn't tell us here is that the laws of Moses were instructions from God to set the Jew apart from the rest of the world. Most rabbis know this as did Paul. The early Christian church agreed that the gentile believers were not required to follow all of the laws of Moses but were to observe the Ten Commandments, abstain from sexual immorality( the Bible considers homosexuality as *sexual immorality*), and not eat meat from sacrifices to pagan gods. William Edelen has a reputation as a New Age teacher who calls himself a Christian. He picks and chooses what he wants to believe and disregards the rest, kind of like what he just accused the above ministers of doing, but without Biblical basis or foundation. If his respect for the scriptural source of Christianity is so low, how is it that he calls himself a Christian, and a minister of the faith, at that? ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Study Links Homophobia with Homosexual Arousal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/13/07 7:42:25 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Psychoanalytic theory holds that homophobia --the fear, anxiety, anger, discomfort and aversion that some ostensibly heterosexual people hold for gay individuals -- is the result of repressed homosexual urges that the person is either unaware of or denies Having an *aversion* or feeling *discomfort* about something doesn't constitute a phobia. Look up the definition of the word. If one doesn't like crime and averts it, is that irrational? If one doesn't like spinach is that a phobia? Are vegetarians meataphobics? So to not agree with the Gay agenda or support it and consider homosexual conduct to be abhorrent doesn't automatically make one homophobic. FAG! FAG! FAG! You pillowing biting, butt pirate, tu-tu wearing San Fransico living Liberal, you! I bet you want to make-out with Nancy Pelosi (but that would make you straight and since you are obviously g*ynever mind). For the record, for newbies or those who have gotten a tad carried away by the recent no flaming injunctions, this is what we at FFL call humor. It is supposed to provoke a variant of the cough reflex in which one spits out one's glass of juice or whatever at the computer monitor. It is *not* supposed to provoke out- rage and wrath. There may be a basic design flaw in the universe somewhere that causes some to react to fairly obvious humor with outrage, but that the way things are, aren't they? There is not much that we can do about it other than laugh at the outraged at the same time we laugh at the jokes. Caveat: The above is opinion, and as such is worth absolutely nothing. Less than nothing. It has less worth than the over-the-counter value at a pawnshop for the lint in an earthworm's navel, and about the same intel- lectual content. Be warned.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Study Links Homophobia with Homosexual Arousal
In a message dated 9/14/07 8:24:52 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: FAG! FAG! FAG! You pillowing biting, butt pirate, tu-tu wearing San Fransico living Liberal, you! I bet you want to make-out with Nancy Pelosi (but that would make you straight and since you are obviously g*ynever mind). Drpete,are you wearing pink glasses? ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Study Links Homophobia with Homosexual Arousal
In a message dated 9/14/07 8:59:13 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) , Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- In a message dated 9/13/07 7:42:25 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Psychoanalytic theory holds that homophobia --the fear, anxiety, anger, discomfort and aversion that some ostensibly heterosexual people hold for gay individuals -- is the result of repressed homosexual urges that the person is either unaware of or denies Having an *aversion* or feeling *discomfort* about something doesn't constitute a phobia. Look up the definition of the word. If one doesn't like crime and averts it, is that irrational? If one doesn't like spinach is that a phobia? Are vegetarians meataphobics? So to not agree with the Gay agenda or support it and consider homosexual conduct to be abhorrent doesn't automatically make one homophobic. FAG! FAG! FAG! You pillowing biting, butt pirate, tu-tu wearing San Fransico living Liberal, you! I bet you want to make-out with Nancy Pelosi (but that would make you straight and since you are obviously g*ynever mind). For the record, for newbies or those who have gotten a tad carried away by the recent no flaming injunctions, this is what we at FFL call humor. Hey , it was taken in good humor. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Homophobics and Leviticus by William Edelen
In a message dated 9/14/07 9:08:43 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And yet people relate to them as if they are the literal words of God. Go figure, eh. That's why it is call faith. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: 100s of scientists published evidence countering man-made global warming
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: from earthtimes.org Challenge to Scientific Consensus on Global Warming: Analysis Finds Hundreds of Scientists Have Published Evidence Countering Man-Made Global Warming Fears Posted : Wed, 12 Sep 2007 14:58:42 GMT Author : Hudson Institute Shemp never fails to amuse. While Shemp accuses all the world's representative governments of being biased, leftist funders of climate change research, all he can come up with in rebuttal to their science is self-interested right wing corporately funded, cherry-picked science - and no cohesive comparable body of science to the world-wide National Academies of Science and the IPCC. -- The Hudson Institute, author of Shemp's article, gains financial support from many of the foundations and corporations that have bankrolled the conservative movement. The Capital Research Center, a conservative group that seeks to rank non-profits and documents their funding, allocates Hudson as a 7 on its ideological spectrum with 8 being Free Market Right and 1 Radical Left. [...] While many conservative think tanks eschew government funding, Hudson happily takes government contracts. The Capital Research Centre (CRC) database lists Hudson as having received six grants between 1996 and 2002 totalling $731,914 (unadjusted for inflation). Five of the six grants were from the Department of Justice Office of Justice Programs. In 2002 Hudson received a grant of $173,484 from the Department of Commerce. The far right Hudson Institute is funded in part by the following BIG PHARMA, BIG AGRA, and BIG OIL corporate interests. Below is a partial list: * American Cyanamid * Archer Daniels Midland * Ciba-Geigy * ConAgra Foods * Conrad Black * DowElanco * DuPont * Eli Lilly and Company * *EXXON MOBIL* * Lilly Endowment * Merck * Monsanto * National Agricultural Chemical Association * PhRMA * PriceWaterhouseCoopers * Syngenta Crop Protection * United Agri Products http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Hudson_Institute
Re: [FairfieldLife] Self-Annihilation of Everything Worth Anything (Was From a realized devotee of RM ...)
Peter wrote: You also appear to have experienced psychological enslavement in the TMO and in Ramtha, the natural consequence to some degree or another of following a guru. But the enslavement does have an end in the liberation from the delusion of individuality and all the consequences of believing that you are an individual. Then you are truly free because you realize that you are not what you thought. In fact, you as an individual, are only a thought. But understanding this is essentially impossible prior to its realization. That's why gurus tell us useful fictions. Bronte writes: Peter, that's a sweet and thoughtful post. Thank you for your time and trying to be so helpful. But I'm not really as lost as you seem to think. I've had oodles of wonderful experiences of expanded consciousness. I'm not going to get into those because it's really beside the point of what I wrote in my post. It's best, I think, to address my reasoning rather than to dismiss it out of hand because you think it came from a suffering soul, besieged by pretty thick ignorance, a person who can't understand what dissolving individuality and being detached from desire even means. I do understand. I spent my life studying and practicing a wide scope of spiritual teachings. At one time I was a TM governor on a Vedic atom, even a writer of official movement publications. I can explain the very thing you're telling me I don't understand just as clearly as you can explain it. And convincingly to boot. I can explain it because I used to believe it. Now it doesn't make sense anymore. I think I fell for a line. To address the differences in our philosophy a little: I don't think individuality has to end for us to be realized. It is possible to experience great expansion and intact individuality simultaneously. That, to me, is the true enlightenment -- to know yourself as Brahman and at the same time to know yourself as a fully enlivened individual. Brahman does not snuff out identification as an individual unless we let that happen, thinking it is necessary for complete freedom. Gurus encourage us to do that. The small self was created to be an instrument of expression for the Divine, not to be annihilated. Same thing with mind and desire. It is possible for big Self to grow in human awareness without wiping out small self. In my experience, Self lends stability to self -- it cushions it. An analogy comes to mind from a political fight I'm involved in right now with a group of local citizens to save our homes from a big industrial complex that some corporately-funded people are wanting to build next door. One of the four leaders of the group is very dynamic. She is very attached to her desire to save her home. She's working full-force to succeed. Yet she said quietly the other day, You know, if it happens, I can live with it. To me, that's analogous to an enlightened way of having a desire. You are fully attached to the desire, fully involved in it, but if it doesn't work out, you can live with it. You know there's a greater part of you than the part that wants or needs this particular thing, and that greater part, that Self, can handle anything that happens. It can find a new, creative way to fulfill the desire. The big Self cushions the little self. The big fulfillment cushions and supports the desire, which is small by comparison. But to not be attached to one's desire, to spiritually work to feel separate from one's desire, is to divide one's individuality from one's cosmic nature. One's desires, then, have a life of their own. There is no personal ownership behind them. A detached person has lost the ability to really care how things turn out. It's like Turq the other day telling Edg, I've lost interest in this discussion. You win. Have it your way. Once Turq lost interest, he stopped participating. Once we become detached, we stop participating fully. We are divided within ourselves. I think it's why so many sincere spiritual people have a hard time getting a strong foothold in the material world. This isn't just a difference in our semantics. It's a fundamentally different way of seeing enlightenment. I liked the way MMY interprets Krishna's instructions to Arjuna in the Gita: established in pure consciousness, perform dynamic action. The old bow and arrow analogy. I think MMY has a healthier intellectual perspective on enlightenment than most of the Indian scriptures and than most Indian gurus. The problem I have with him is his application, not his philosophy. Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bronte, you seem to have had some very bad experiences with gurus (if they really were such. Some comments below: --- Bronte Baxter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Turq and other guru enthusiasts, take a look at this quote posted for us by Ron from Sri Lakshmana Swami, a realized devotee of Ramana
[FairfieldLife] Re: Homophobics and Leviticus by William Edelen
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/13/07 6:51:41 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: All of you Oliver North, Jerry Falwell, Billy Graham, Pat Robertson, James Dobson fundamentalist biblical phonies, if you say Leviticus is God's word on Gays and Lesbians, than the entire book is obviously God's word to anyone with an I.Q. above 3 So LIVE IT. WALK THE TALK...OR GET OFF IT. Something William Edelen doesn't tell us here is that the laws of Moses were instructions from God to set the Jew apart from the rest of the world. Most rabbis know this as did Paul. The early Christian church agreed that the gentile believers were not required to follow all of the laws of Moses but were to observe the Ten Commandments, abstain from sexual immorality( the Bible considers homosexuality as *sexual immorality*), and not eat meat from sacrifices to pagan gods. William Edelen has a reputation as a New Age teacher who calls himself a Christian. He picks and chooses what he wants to believe and disregards the rest, kind of like what he just accused the above ministers of doing, but without Biblical basis or foundation. If his respect for the scriptural source of Christianity is so low, how is it that he calls himself a Christian, and a minister of the faith, at that? By the way, MDixon, I've been meaning to compliment you on your posts like this for a while now. While we may disagree on things political, and while the whole Bible and Jewish and Christian thang don't do squat for me personally, it is clear that you have done your homework on these matters, and so I always stop to read the posts in which you weigh in on these subjects. In *my* opinion, the entire Bible, including the New Testament, is composed of the words of Ordinary Guys, not God. God did *not* compose the psalms or write the words in any of the books of the Bible. Men did. They just *told* other men that God had written them by inspiring *them* to write them. Same for the Gita, and for most of the works of the Vedas, and most of the sayings and talks attributed to the Buddha. None of us even has a clue as to whether they had anything whatsoever to *do* with the teachers they are attributed to, because the traditions that spawned them were oral for centuries before the first versions were written down. They're hearsay. And yet people relate to them as if they are the literal words of God. Go figure, eh. I look at them all as entertaining fiction that might just contain some interesting and useful ideas on how to live one's life. Do I believe that God said from on high, Covet not thy neighbor's wife's ass, or *his* ass either, for that matter? No way. That was a bunch of Ordinary Guys attributing their own hangups and cultural taboos to God and thus trying to make them sound more authoritative.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Homophobics and Leviticus by William Edelen
In a message dated 9/14/07 9:08:43 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: By the way, MDixon, I've been meaning to compliment you on your posts like this for a while now. While we may disagree on things political, and while the whole Bible and Jewish and Christian thang don't do squat for me personally, it is clear that you have done your homework on these matters, and so I always stop to read the posts in which you weigh in on these subjects. And thank you for you kind words. I usually provoke a much different response since many of my views and opinions are just the opposite of the majority on this list. My intent is to show that just because you practice TM doesn't mean you have to fit lockstep together on everything. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Everybody knows God is nonpartisan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/13/07 6:43:03 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: God finds homosexuality detestable Lev 18:22, God will judge those that practice homosexual behavior Romans 1:18-32, and Homosexual behavior has no place among Christians 1 Corinthians 6:9-10. Clearly God doesn't agree nor does Christ agree with what you believe they think. You're apparently too smug to have read the perspective of the above scriptures written by a Baptist minister which I provided. Paul's and Leviticus' references are thoroughly addressed. And Christ said NOTHING AT ALL about homosexuality. I could care less what one person who calls himself a Baptist minister thinks. Look at the varying interpretations of things M says on this list. Christianity nor Judaism has EVER accepted Homosexuality as normal acceptable behavior or an alternative life style and has ALWAYS condemned it. Bigotry has been and is a disease of the ignorant. Do you also accept the Leviticus death penalty for not honoring the Sabbath, bwana?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Study Links Homophobia with Homosexual Arousal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/13/07 7:42:25 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Psychoanalytic theory holds that homophobia --the fear, anxiety, anger, discomfort and aversion that some ostensibly heterosexual people hold for gay individuals -- is the result of repressed homosexual urges that the person is either unaware of or denies Having an *aversion* or feeling *discomfort* about something doesn't constitute a phobia. Look up the definition of the word. If one doesn't like crime and averts it, is that irrational? If one doesn't like spinach is that a phobia? Are vegetarians meataphobics? So to not agree with the Gay agenda or support it and consider homosexual conduct to be abhorrent doesn't automatically make one homophobic. Ah, that river in Egypt named... Bwana apparently thinks he's immune from being exposed as having latent homosexual tendencies himself. I'd bet the homophobes who participated in the experiment felt the same way. Bigotry is alive and well.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 100s of scientists published evidence countering man-made global warming
Regardless of who published the article, it's true that lots of scientists don't accept the new party line on global warming that is being now handed us as gospel. I've read articles from several sources along this same line (sorry, didn't copy and can't quote -- next time I see some, I'll send them to FFL). Many independent scientists are saying the earth is simply going into a warm cycle due to increased sunspot activity: the sun is hotter, so the earth is hotter. That doesn't mean pollution shouldn't be eliminated or that it's not poisonous to the earth. Why are the politicians on the bandwagon of global warming, though, if it may not really be caused by pollution but may be natural? Could it be they want to scare us enough that we'll willingly let them tax us still further or take away still more of our freedoms? 911/Iraq War tactics applied to environmental issues: the big guys want something, they create a problem to scare and upset everybody, then they present the solution which is what they wanted us to give them all along. do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: from earthtimes.org Challenge to Scientific Consensus on Global Warming: Analysis Finds Hundreds of Scientists Have Published Evidence Countering Man-Made Global Warming Fears Posted : Wed, 12 Sep 2007 14:58:42 GMT Author : Hudson Institute Shemp never fails to amuse. While Shemp accuses all the world's representative governments of being biased, leftist funders of climate change research, all he can come up with in rebuttal to their science is self-interested right wing corporately funded, cherry-picked science - and no cohesive comparable body of science to the world-wide National Academies of Science and the IPCC. -- The Hudson Institute, author of Shemp's article, gains financial support from many of the foundations and corporations that have bankrolled the conservative movement. The Capital Research Center, a conservative group that seeks to rank non-profits and documents their funding, allocates Hudson as a 7 on its ideological spectrum with 8 being Free Market Right and 1 Radical Left. [...] While many conservative think tanks eschew government funding, Hudson happily takes government contracts. The Capital Research Centre (CRC) database lists Hudson as having received six grants between 1996 and 2002 totalling $731,914 (unadjusted for inflation). Five of the six grants were from the Department of Justice Office of Justice Programs. In 2002 Hudson received a grant of $173,484 from the Department of Commerce. The far right Hudson Institute is funded in part by the following BIG PHARMA, BIG AGRA, and BIG OIL corporate interests. Below is a partial list: * American Cyanamid * Archer Daniels Midland * Ciba-Geigy * ConAgra Foods * Conrad Black * DowElanco * DuPont * Eli Lilly and Company * *EXXON MOBIL* * Lilly Endowment * Merck * Monsanto * National Agricultural Chemical Association * PhRMA * PriceWaterhouseCoopers * Syngenta Crop Protection * United Agri Products http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Hudson_Institute - Tonight's top picks. What will you watch tonight? Preview the hottest shows on Yahoo! TV.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Self-Annihilation of Everything Worth Anything (Was From a realized devotee of RM ...)
Bronte, you are certainly not an idiot, and Turq’s calling you one only reveals that his emotions trumped his intellect in this case, causing him to violate our agreement not to resort to personal insults. Of course, it’s hard to judge tone in this medium, and one can call another an idiot as a friendly jest, but since he refused to read the rest of your post, I don’t think that was his tone. I read it though, and was left with the impression, as I always am when you get on this rant, that you’re Don Quixote tilting at windmills. To the extent I have developed enlightenment, it doesn’t correspond with your conception of it as a neutered state. Being unattached to desires doesn’t mean not having them; it just means not living for the fruits of action, over which you have no control. It’s my observation that more enlightened people are more focused and determined in desiring and fulfilling desires. There are some on this forum and many in FF with whom I regularly interact who are enlightened (by which I mean at least Self-realized and in many cases, far beyond that in terms having developed perceptual and cognitive abilities) and I doubt any of them would concur with your characterization of enlightenment. Some of these people experience gods and all sorts of celestial perception clearly and regularly, and there too, there is no correlation between their experience and your conjecture. Time to go back to the drawing board. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 269.13.18/1007 - Release Date: 9/13/2007 9:48 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: Self-Annihilation of Everything Worth Anything (Was From a realized devotee
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bronte, you are certainly not an idiot, and Turq's calling you one only reveals that his emotions trumped his intellect in this case, causing him to violate our agreement not to resort to personal insults. Or that he has a low tolerance for who make unwarranted assumptions about other people based on being able to see nothing in the outside world except their own projected hangups. :-) Of course, it's hard to judge tone in this medium, and one can call another an idiot as a friendly jest, but since he refused to read the rest of your post, I don't think that was his tone. My tone was to blow off someone who was proving herself not worth my time to read. If she had bothered to read *my* posts, she might have figured out that she and I are pretty much in agreement on many things, not in disagreement. For her to call me a guru entusiast, after I took the time to explain to her earlier that where I'm coming from is pretty much the opposite, indicates to me that what I am dealing with *is* an idiot. So I calls them as I sees them. If you feel like tossing me off the forum for doing that, I have absolutely no problem with that. From my side I've written her off until she takes the time to find out who she's talking to on this forum before she lectures to them.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Everybody knows God is nonpartisan
In a message dated 9/14/07 9:37:14 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I could care less what one person who calls himself a Baptist minister thinks. Look at the varying interpretations of things M says on this list. Christianity nor Judaism has EVER accepted Homosexuality as normal acceptable behavior or an alternative life style and has ALWAYS condemned it. Bigotry has been and is a disease of the ignorant. Do you also accept the Leviticus death penalty for not honoring the Sabbath, bwana? First, explain to me how I am a biggot? To your second question, yes, but let him who is without sin cast the first stone. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Study Links Homophobia with Homosexual Arousal
In a message dated 9/14/07 9:42:47 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ah, that river in Egypt named... Bwana apparently thinks he's immune from being exposed as having latent homosexual tendencies himself. I'd bet the homophobes who participated in the experiment felt the same way. Bigotry is alive and well. You must know a lot about latent homosexual tendencies! By the way, watch out for that dog you pet the other day, it was foaming at the mouth! ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: 100s of scientists published evidence countering man-made global warming
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bronte Baxter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Many independent scientists are saying the earth is simply going into a warm cycle due to increased sunspot activity: the sun is hotter, so the earth is hotter. That doesn't mean pollution shouldn't be eliminated or that it's not poisonous to the earth. Why are the politicians on the bandwagon of global warming, though, if it may not really be caused by pollution but may be natural? --- I guess it might be both ways. Basically natural, but the greenhouse gases (CO2, CH4) could make it remarkably more effective than it'd be with less GG's in the atmosphere...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Synthetic life skeptics...
John, If we have this greater consciousness, then I find it unlikely that we will fall extinct like other species, such as dinosaurs. It is my opinion that by the time we have the means and will to destroy the planet, we will have the knowledge of being able to escape such circumstances. I believe the end of the cold war was an example of being able to escape our demise. I can understand how the universe would be a form of collective consciousness. However, because it is collective, there are many variations that come about...therefore very few absolute truths...if any. I do not, however, understand how a galaxy could have a consciousness. All definitions of consciousness seem to point to the mind, if even removing the brain from the equation. Isn't the ability to reason a product of consciousness? Can a rock or a pile of rocks reason? How then could they possibly have a consciousness? The have order and energy, therefore the forces of gravity, magnetism, etc. But isn't that a big leap from physical processes to that of consciousness? To say they do is to me the belittlement of the greatest of consciousness itself. And yes, I will be very careful not to allow any newly formed synthetic species to escape into our natural environment. This would be easier if I had a team to work with, which could brainstorm all possibilities. But for the time being, it's just lonely ole me. Jeff Cook --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jeff, My comments are as follows: Really though, what of anything do humans do that mutually benefits any other species? Does over-farming, deforestation, environmental polution and/or change or the like benefit any other species besides us? Humans should coexist with nature and not harm or destroy it. Supposedly, humans have the advantage of consciousness, thus are capable of intelligent choice. Sometimes, we wonder if this is so since we are bent on killing each other for the sake of a religious tenet. For the most part, humans are still ignorant of seeing the big picture, although there are a few individuals like the rishis in the past who understood the wholeness of life. My take on this is that whatever we do is a natural process. Everytime we built the next skyscraper or oil drill, what we are doing is purely a natural process. It is no different than termites building a mound...it's just that our achievements are more advanced and much bigger. But we are of nature, so anything we could possibly do will always be a natural process. How bold of us to wish we were above nature...we ARE nature. Very true. As such, we should use our intelligence to promote life on earth. If not, it is possible that humans could blow themselves up in this planet. We could be another example of a species that became extinct, like the dinosaurs from the past. Then, what specie would qualify for having the highest intelligence? The dolphins? Ants? Is it possible for them to develop consciousness like humans on earth millions of years from now? It seems to me that the uniqueness of being human is that we are able to make a choice through introspection, or consciousness and intelligence. Hence, it appears to me that this is the highest development that any living form can make in Nature. For the most part, the rest of the living forms on earth operate on an automatic mode, through the mechanics of the gunas. And from what I see in the universe is that without life, systems are pretty much random and chaotic. It takes like to create order. And as far as lifeforms on one planet being able to impact those on another, I doubt it...unless they advance to intelligent beings and travel to the next planet in order to disrupt the balance there. For most people, it seems cool to think and say what the latest scientific guru is saying about the nature of the universe. Hence, we hear terms like chaos theory and the absurd being applied to explain the origin of life. However, the vedic rishis have thought that the entire universe is a form of consciousness in one way or another. Our neighboring galaxy is a form of consciousness, so are the stars and planets that exist in the universe. They are not life forms like humans. But they do have structure and order. If one understands this, then it would not take a leap of faith to say that we in one way or another are connected with the rest of the cosmos. Anyway, we're glad you are taking precautions to make sure that the environment is safe from contaminations. John R.
[FairfieldLife] Hey, Turq
Come on, buddy. I wasn't trying to lecture you. I was trying to answer the well-thought-out arguments you made a few days ago in answer to my post. You objected that day to my phrase, come on, guru fans, I'm ready for the snowballs, so today I changed it to guru enthusiasts, and still seem to have offended you. I don't know if you follow a guru or not, but your post certainly extolled the benefits of being blasted by an enlightened being (most people who blast like that are gurus). Hence the friendly-meant phrase guru fans. Take it easy on me, Turq. I was trying to have some fun tossing a ball back and forth. I enjoy your Paris emails. They're funny and have heart. Why do you have to be so prickly when you aren't soliliquizing? Idiot is off-limits. If you talk to me, I expect respect. If that's too hard, we can agree to ignore each other. Bronte - Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Self-Annihilation of Everything Worth Anything (Was From a realized devotee of RM ...)
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bronte Baxter Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 10:39 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Self-Annihilation of Everything Worth Anything (Was From a realized devotee of RM ...) Bronte writes: I, by contrast, regularly interact with people whom I consider Self-realized, many of whom have specialized perceptual and cognitive abilities, and most of them would agree with my characterization of true enlightenment. So before you send me back to the drawing board, you'd best come up with a better argument, mister. LOL, maybe we should get my enlightened people and your enlightened people together for a Sharks/Jets-style rumble. But seriously, if they agree with your characterization of true enlightenment, does that mean that they admit to having been neutered, or are you referring to the supposedly neutered people as not truly enlightened. If so, can you give us some examples of some of those? Shankara, Jesus, Buddha, etc. Did they cut deals with the gods? No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 269.13.18/1007 - Release Date: 9/13/2007 9:48 PM
RE: [FairfieldLife] Self-Annihilation of Everything Worth Anything (Was From a realized devotee of RM ...)
Rick wrote: Its my observation that more enlightened people are more focused and determined in desiring and fulfilling desires. Bronte writes: Certainly they are. But I wasn't talking about enlightened people when I spoke about many sincere spiritual people having trouble. You're talking apples, I'm talking oranges. Rick wrote: There are some on this forum and many in FF with whom I regularly interact who are enlightened (by which I mean at least Self-realized and in many cases, far beyond that in terms having developed perceptual and cognitive abilities) and I doubt any of them would concur with your characterization of enlightenment. Back to the drawing board. Bronte writes: I, by contrast, regularly interact with people whom I consider Self-realized, many of whom have specialized perceptual and cognitive abilities, and most of them would agree with my characterization of true enlightenment. So before you send me back to the drawing board, you'd best come up with a better argument, mister. - Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today!
[FairfieldLife] Turq The Flamer! (Re: Self-Annihilation of Everything Worth Anything )
Turq, About the Bronte thing, I resonate!! I agree with your concepts. But, but, but.Turq, I know I test your patience. I wish I were better at this friend of Turq business. Okay, here it comestake a deep breath. Geeze, you lost it, and you're not feeling any need to explain or apologize or deal with it, eh? Hee hee. Now, that said, if it were a contest, I'd say you come in second place to me for bad reactions -- I win! As proof, I offer my posts regarding the word liar. You're certainly one of the good guys here -- your great wisdom is shown by the delicacy of your perceptions and the nuances seen in your creative writing -- I bow, man, you know I bow to your manifestations. But, you know that Bronte is a newbie who hasn't read your many many posts about gurus, and well, you unloaded on her without pointing out who you actually are, again and again if necessary -- as an instruction for her upliftment into being a more fully aware participant here. Her mistake, due to lack of FFlife scholarship is unfortunate, but your back-handing her seems a bit out of proportion. Not that I wish to impose any burden of your having to be her or anyone's teacher, but anger is probably not going to get her to read your posts and thus really find out where you're coming from, right? Not that you need or want someone else here to have clarity about you -- civility is the issue being examined here. Your being triggered by her laughably mistaken impression about Turq and gurus is a tell, methinks. Something inside you is arguing with something else inside you. I have read your posts about this issue in the past, but still, I would like to hear anything more you care to share about this feeling that arises so immediately when the concept guru is bandied -- especially since it seems no one has the same definition for guru. Heck, I postulated the Trikke being a guru, and the vast silence I got as a response just goes to show ya that folks here are not very much into trying to get an ecumenical council together to have group agreement on very important words. Sigh. It's like the only song sung here at FFlife is limited to one note of the scale: me me me. How do we begin an actual dialog? Your word babe seems to be hurled as if by a misogynist. The not reading the rest of the post is an act of writing off a manifestation ala see cover -- judge book. It may not serve you in the future; though to be sure, you've got solid gold intuition about such things. Wouldn't it just be horrid if Bronte is the only person on earth who might say just the thing to get you to find a flower seed inside you that needs watering? Yes, life can be that cruel. In Ancient Evenings by Norman Mailer, he creates a character that eats bat shit just so he can be sure he's not missed something. As bitter as the turds of ignorance can be to the palate, isn't the newbie plight, the still raw psychic welts from the abuse of previous gurus, and the strong seekingness of Bronte a call to you for a gentler touch? I still read all the posts here of everyone -- trolls included -- just to use them as a mirror -- take a gander at me and see if I still have trigger-patterns in me that do not serve -- and allow me to victimize myself. It's work, yeah. The until you catch a clue thingy seems to indicate that you would be challenged to be a Special Education teacher. To me, knowing that I'm actually smarter than most folks is a responsibility that obliges me to be especially alert to elitism grabbing for my microphone. A PhD holder can be insane too, and from my high horse, I've often missed something humble and sweet neath my hooves. That, and if I am an elitist, then for sure, the tens of millions of folks living right now who are so much smarter than me, could use me like fodder and I would be a hypocrite to complain about it. I feel I have to earn my right to shake my fist at the higher ups, by sincerely trying to gently deal with those under me. With wild profiteers ruining the world right and left, Bronte's stress on Turq, pales, eh? I'm trying to keep the we're all in the same lifeboat dynamic going here. We all believe in something beyond that most of the world could care less about -- no one here seems capable of raping a girl and then killing her family to silence witnesses, no one here is consciously dismantling America before our eyes, no one here is a base hating machine. We're mostly pretty good, rare, folks here. We many never figure it all out, but the boat is still floating, so keep bailing fast and forgive the one next to you who may elbow you in their different than yours attempts to get the water out of their part of the boat. Hey, it's not even Sunday, and I'm doing one of my sermons! Hmmm, is this progress? Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bronte Baxter brontebaxter8@ wrote: Turq and other guru
[FairfieldLife] Re: 100s of scientists published evidence countering man-made global warming
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bronte Baxter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Regardless of who published the article, it's true that lots of scientists don't accept the new party line on global warming that is being now handed us as gospel. I've read articles from several sources along this same line (sorry, didn't copy and can't quote -- next time I see some, I'll send them to FFL). Many independent scientists are saying the earth is simply going into a warm cycle due to increased sunspot activity: the sun is hotter, so the earth is hotter. That doesn't mean pollution shouldn't be eliminated or that it's not poisonous to the earth. Why are the politicians on the bandwagon of global warming, though, if it may not really be caused by pollution but may be natural? Could it be they want to scare us enough that we'll willingly let them tax us still further or take away still more of our freedoms? 911/Iraq War tactics applied to environmental issues: the big guys want something, they create a problem to scare and upset everybody, then they present the solution which is what they wanted us to give them all along. Real or hyped, Global Wa... excuse me, 'Climate Change' is a political reality, its influence as an issue is ascending in the public awareness, notwithstanding whether its physical features are real, or as dire, as some predict. The proponents of the theory of climate change suggest that humans are all-powerful and directly attributable to evironmental degradation or its reverse, restoration. The concept is a tad too 'Ethnocentric' for me to embrace, yet I am preparing myself psychologically for 'eco- fascism', whereby discrete prescriptions will be forced upon the citizenry in vain attempts to compel compliance and adherence to daily living practices that have dubious effects to reduce negative impacts on the environment. Additionally, genocide becomes more palatable and perhaps justified in the minds of those who want to lessen humanity's collective carbon footprint. How admirable it has become to care for the planet, yet to despise the large number of humans, which are the planet's most awesome display of the wonder of creation. do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: from earthtimes.org Challenge to Scientific Consensus on Global Warming: Analysis Finds Hundreds of Scientists Have Published Evidence Countering Man-Made Global Warming Fears Posted : Wed, 12 Sep 2007 14:58:42 GMT Author : Hudson Institute Shemp never fails to amuse. While Shemp accuses all the world's representative governments of being biased, leftist funders of climate change research, all he can come up with in rebuttal to their science is self-interested right wing corporately funded, cherry-picked science - and no cohesive comparable body of science to the world-wide National Academies of Science and the IPCC. -- The Hudson Institute, author of Shemp's article, gains financial support from many of the foundations and corporations that have bankrolled the conservative movement. The Capital Research Center, a conservative group that seeks to rank non-profits and documents their funding, allocates Hudson as a 7 on its ideological spectrum with 8 being Free Market Right and 1 Radical Left. [...] While many conservative think tanks eschew government funding, Hudson happily takes government contracts. The Capital Research Centre (CRC) database lists Hudson as having received six grants between 1996 and 2002 totalling $731,914 (unadjusted for inflation). Five of the six grants were from the Department of Justice Office of Justice Programs. In 2002 Hudson received a grant of $173,484 from the Department of Commerce. The far right Hudson Institute is funded in part by the following BIG PHARMA, BIG AGRA, and BIG OIL corporate interests. Below is a partial list: * American Cyanamid * Archer Daniels Midland * Ciba-Geigy * ConAgra Foods * Conrad Black * DowElanco * DuPont * Eli Lilly and Company * *EXXON MOBIL* * Lilly Endowment * Merck * Monsanto * National Agricultural Chemical Association * PhRMA * PriceWaterhouseCoopers * Syngenta Crop Protection * United Agri Products http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Hudson_Institute
[FairfieldLife] Re: Everybody knows God is nonpartisan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/14/07 9:37:14 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I could care less what one person who calls himself a Baptist minister thinks. Look at the varying interpretations of things M says on this list. Christianity nor Judaism has EVER accepted Homosexuality as normal acceptable behavior or an alternative life style and has ALWAYS condemned it. Bigotry has been and is a disease of the ignorant. Do you also accept the Leviticus death penalty for not honoring the Sabbath, bwana? First, explain to me how I am a biggot? Your apparent support of Christian Right gay bashing is kind of an indicator, eh? To your second question, yes, but let him who is without sin cast the first stone. Does that apply to all of God's laws, bwana? What about murder and stealing? And let's review some of those laws in Leviticus and Exodus per the following inquiry: Dear Dr. Laura [Schlessinger], Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's law. I have learned a great deal from you, and I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states that it is an abomination. End of debate. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the specific laws and how best to follow them. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord (Lev. 1:9). The problem is the neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. How should I deal with this? I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as it suggests in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her? I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev. 15: 19-24). The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense. Lev. 25:44 states that I may buy slaves from the nations that are around us. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans but not Canadians. Can you clarify? I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states that he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself? A friend feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination (Lev 10:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? Lev 20:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here? I know that you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 100s of scientists published evidence countering man-made global warming
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bronte Baxter brontebaxter8@ wrote: Regardless of who published the article, it's true that lots of scientists don't accept the new party line on global warming that is being now handed us as gospel. I've read articles from several sources along this same line (sorry, didn't copy and can't quote -- next time I see some, I'll send them to FFL). Many independent scientists are saying the earth is simply going into a warm cycle due to increased sunspot activity: the sun is hotter, so the earth is hotter. That doesn't mean pollution shouldn't be eliminated or that it's not poisonous to the earth. Why are the politicians on the bandwagon of global warming, though, if it may not really be caused by pollution but may be natural? Could it be they want to scare us enough that we'll willingly let them tax us still further or take away still more of our freedoms? 911/Iraq War tactics applied to environmental issues: the big guys want something, they create a problem to scare and upset everybody, then they present the solution which is what they wanted us to give them all along. Real or hyped, Global Wa... excuse me, 'Climate Change' is a political reality, its influence as an issue is ascending in the public awareness, notwithstanding whether its physical features are real, or as dire, as some predict. The proponents of the theory of climate change suggest that humans are all-powerful and directly attributable to evironmental degradation or its reverse, restoration. The concept is a tad too 'Ethnocentric' for me to embrace, yet I am preparing myself psychologically for 'eco- fascism', whereby discrete prescriptions will be forced upon the citizenry in vain attempts to compel compliance and adherence to daily living practices that have dubious effects to reduce negative impacts on the environment. Additionally, genocide becomes more palatable and perhaps justified in the minds of those who want to lessen humanity's collective carbon footprint. How admirable it has become to care for the planet, yet to despise the large number of humans, which are the planet's most awesome display of the wonder of creation. -Mainstream do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: from earthtimes.org Challenge to Scientific Consensus on Global Warming: Analysis Finds Hundreds of Scientists Have Published Evidence Countering Man-Made Global Warming Fears Posted : Wed, 12 Sep 2007 14:58:42 GMT Author : Hudson Institute Shemp never fails to amuse. While Shemp accuses all the world's representative governments of being biased, leftist funders of climate change research, all he can come up with in rebuttal to their science is self-interested right wing corporately funded, cherry-picked science - and no cohesive comparable body of science to the world-wide National Academies of Science and the IPCC. -- The Hudson Institute, author of Shemp's article, gains financial support from many of the foundations and corporations that have bankrolled the conservative movement. The Capital Research Center, a conservative group that seeks to rank non-profits and documents their funding, allocates Hudson as a 7 on its ideological spectrum with 8 being Free Market Right and 1 Radical Left. [...] While many conservative think tanks eschew government funding, Hudson happily takes government contracts. The Capital Research Centre (CRC) database lists Hudson as having received six grants between 1996 and 2002 totalling $731,914 (unadjusted for inflation). Five of the six grants were from the Department of Justice Office of Justice Programs. In 2002 Hudson received a grant of $173,484 from the Department of Commerce. The far right Hudson Institute is funded in part by the following BIG PHARMA, BIG AGRA, and BIG OIL corporate interests. Below is a partial list: * American Cyanamid * Archer Daniels Midland * Ciba-Geigy * ConAgra Foods * Conrad Black * DowElanco * DuPont * Eli Lilly and Company * *EXXON MOBIL* * Lilly Endowment * Merck * Monsanto * National Agricultural Chemical Association * PhRMA * PriceWaterhouseCoopers * Syngenta Crop Protection * United Agri Products http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Hudson_Institute
Re: [FairfieldLife] PSA [Re: Jim Flanegin is maxed out]
jim_flanegin wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 13, 2007, at 7:53 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: OK, no problem-- I'll just add that I was checking today several times, and the Yahoo advanced search indicated only 28 this afternoon.:-) Well now it indicates 34, Jim. And funnily enough, I have 39 emails of yours since early Saturday morning. I'm sure you wouldn't be deleting any on the website, of course not. So the discrepancy is interesting. Sal FYI-- I just verified that the Yahoo advanced search isn't very accurate-- I hand-counted my posts from the beginning of Sept.8th until now and the total is 39, not including this one. However, if I use the Yahoo advanced search, I get a total of 34, not including this one. So hand counts seem to be the only way to be accurate, for those not receiving emails on FFL. Or whoever keeps tallies can please send an email to Rick. In any case, see you next week.:-) I found a trick for counting using email and Thunderbird. First off you will need to put all your FFL emails in one folder which probably most folks due. Then select Mark Folder Read which I do regularly anyway because there are just a lot of topics I'm not interested in. Then you order messages by Sender and select the range for the week. Right click on those highlighted messages and select Mark as Read and the messages will be marked Unread and then total listed in the lower right hand corner of the the Thunderbird window. That's sort of a lot of work and Thunderbird should really anytime you select a group of messages also list the number selected. I'll put in a request for that feature which I can tell you as a programmer should not be hard to add.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Self-Annihilation of Everything Worth Anything (Was From a realized devotee of RM ...)
Rick wrote: LOL, maybe we should get my enlightened people and your enlightened people together for a Sharks/Jets- style rumble. But seriously, if they agree with your characterization of true enlightenment, does that mean that they admit to having been neutered, or are you referring to the supposedly neutered people as not truly enlightened. If so, can you give us some examples of some of those? Shankara, Jesus, Buddha, etc. Did they cut deals with the gods? Bronte writes: There, now you're getting astute on me. Okay. I don't mean either one. I think spiritually neutered people can be still enlightened (enlightened meaning brahman-conscious, for instance). You can connect wholly with the Ultimate having been neutered of your individuality. That's how the gods like it, because the geldings won't mess with their set-up. Spiritually neutered masters have bought the party line and think the way the gods run things is just spiffy and the only way there is. For them, the world works the way it works because it's supposed to work that way because it's always worked that way. They have no belief in the concept of a radically different universe, a super-state quantum-like macroscopic universe, because that would require original thought, and they've declared death to their mind. The other kind of master, the kind that has not self-annihilated, connects wholly with the Ultimate, knows he's wholly Brahman, while retaining his individuality perfectly intact -- rich with original thought, enthusiastic desire, dynamic personal power and even with siddhis. Both kinds of masters are enlightened. But the second kind is having much more fun. And is capable of doing much more dynamic good in the world. The reason is he's interested in doing. He is not detached. He's one with his thoughts and desires. He has passion. Of the historical figures you mention, I think Shankara probably and Buddha for sure was a death-to-the-little-me kind of guy. Jesus didn't seem to talk that way. - Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Everybody knows God is nonpartisan
In a message dated 9/14/07 11:21:22 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: First, explain to me how I am a biggot? Your apparent support of Christian Right gay bashing is kind of an indicator, eh? To your second question, yes, but let him who is without sin cast the first stone. Does that apply to all of God's laws, bwana? What about murder and stealing? And let's review some of those laws in Leviticus and Exodus per the following inquiry: Dear Dr. Laura [Schlessinger]D Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's law. I have learned a great deal from you, and I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. Just what is the *Christian Right* position on Homosexual conduct? Please explain. Are you aware that Christian ministers, distinguish between the person and the behavior? The homosexual is seen as a sinner as ALL people are and are to be shown mercy and compassion as people but their homosexual conduct is to be avoided and not tolerated as any other sin. You asked about m urder and stealing and should only a person without sin cast the first stone. These are crimes, man against man and society must be protected. Thus we have laws to discourage them while extending enough mercy for the less heinous crimes. The Bible warns that the wages of sin is death( Judgement). So those that commit these acts sign their own death warrant at their final Judgement. Did you know that there are some 613 laws of Moses? To violate any of them even once makes one guilty of sin and that God is so Holy he can not look upon sin and will not allow it in His presence. So what do you think God was trying to teach his people here? You never did print Dr. Laura's response. I am curious to see it. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Everybody knows God is nonpartisan
God is soo gay. All those over-the-top production numbers with the angelic hosts, I mean reaaly. (just the wardrobes alone are proof of poofter divinity) And don't get me started on the dresses he makes his Catholics wear with the phallic hats... Let's just say the big guy is a friend of Dorthy and no stranger to a little public bathroom stall foot tapping. Is that another creation in your pocket or are you just happy to see me Lord? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/14/07 11:21:22 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: First, explain to me how I am a biggot? Your apparent support of Christian Right gay bashing is kind of an indicator, eh? To your second question, yes, but let him who is without sin cast the first stone. Does that apply to all of God's laws, bwana? What about murder and stealing? And let's review some of those laws in Leviticus and Exodus per the following inquiry: Dear Dr. Laura [Schlessinger]D Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's law. I have learned a great deal from you, and I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. Just what is the *Christian Right* position on Homosexual conduct? Please explain. Are you aware that Christian ministers, distinguish between the person and the behavior? The homosexual is seen as a sinner as ALL people are and are to be shown mercy and compassion as people but their homosexual conduct is to be avoided and not tolerated as any other sin. You asked about m urder and stealing and should only a person without sin cast the first stone. These are crimes, man against man and society must be protected. Thus we have laws to discourage them while extending enough mercy for the less heinous crimes. The Bible warns that the wages of sin is death( Judgement). So those that commit these acts sign their own death warrant at their final Judgement. Did you know that there are some 613 laws of Moses? To violate any of them even once makes one guilty of sin and that God is so Holy he can not look upon sin and will not allow it in His presence. So what do you think God was trying to teach his people here? You never did print Dr. Laura's response. I am curious to see it. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
[FairfieldLife] Bible account of transcending...according to St. John.
Revelations: 1:10 thru 1:20 Rev 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, I was meditating on God and heard the sound of the Cosmic OM, AUM reveberating in my consciousness. Rev 1:12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks; As my attention was 'turned' within (away from matter towards Spirit) I observed 7 vortices of energy (etheric bridges connecting the physical body with the astral body of light). Rev 1:13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks [one] like unto the Son of man, My etheric/astral body looked like my physical body, (the son of man). Rev 1:14 His head and hair were white like wool.. I experienced the crown chakra as pure white light. Rev 1:15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters. I experienced the luminous gold colors of the astral body and the wondrous sounds of the spinning wheels (chakras). Rev 1:16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: I saw 7 shining wheels of the astral body (chakras) sitting atop the 7 candlesticks or bridges of the etheric body. and out of his mouth went a sharp two edged sword: and his countenance [was] as the sun shineth in his strength. I observed the dual current of the medulla oblongata and the thousand petaled lotus in the cortex. Rev 1:17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. My physical body was as if dead and lay at my 'feet', (describing the breathless state or the state of Samadhi). And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: The Holy word of God, the Amen or Aum spoke to me. Rev 1:18 I [am] he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen. I realized my true self as pure light, joy and power.
[FairfieldLife] Edg my hero
Edg, you are a sweetheart for sticking up for me. I like you a lot. You are a brain with a funny bone. But listen, I am not that emotionally scarred, no more than the rest of us. Nor am I a seeker at this point in my life. My passion doesn't come from harbored wounds or spiritual need but from the concern I have at what I see going on in the world. I'm especially concerned about some people I love who are still in the guru-grip. I worry where they're headed. That's the cause of the emotion and outrage you read. The trikke essay was cool. I think people got it. You're saying that events and things in our lives can be gurus, not just people. I'm all for that kind of guru. A trikke doesn't preach death to individuality. The kind of guru you're talking about isn't the kind I talked about. Bronte - Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Self-Annihilation of Everything Worth Anything (Was From a realized devotee of RM ...)
--- The neutered people are the Neo-Advaitins, who are trapped in a form of delusion (even if Enlightened); delusions are possible on many levels; chief among them is the notion that there's no individual there. There IS, but simply lacking in misidentification of the I. What remains is the individual (having a social nature, a body, faults, conditionings, etc). n FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bronte Baxter Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 10:39 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Self-Annihilation of Everything Worth Anything (Was From a realized devotee of RM ...) Bronte writes: I, by contrast, regularly interact with people whom I consider Self-realized, many of whom have specialized perceptual and cognitive abilities, and most of them would agree with my characterization of true enlightenment. So before you send me back to the drawing board, you'd best come up with a better argument, mister. LOL, maybe we should get my enlightened people and your enlightened people together for a Sharks/Jets-style rumble. But seriously, if they agree with your characterization of true enlightenment, does that mean that they admit to having been neutered, or are you referring to the supposedly neutered people as not truly enlightened. If so, can you give us some examples of some of those? Shankara, Jesus, Buddha, etc. Did they cut deals with the gods? No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 269.13.18/1007 - Release Date: 9/13/2007 9:48 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: Everybody knows God is nonpartisan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/14/07 11:21:22 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: First, explain to me how I am a biggot? Your apparent support of Christian Right gay bashing is kind of an indicator, eh? To your second question, yes, but let him who is without sin cast the first stone. Does that apply to all of God's laws, bwana? What about murder and stealing? And let's review some of those laws in Leviticus and Exodus per the following inquiry: Dear Dr. Laura [Schlessinger]D Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's law. I have learned a great deal from you, and I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. Just what is the *Christian Right* position on Homosexual conduct? Here's a grand list of their views at: The Religious Right and Anti-Gay Speech: In their Own Words http://www.hatecrime.org/subpages/hatespeech/hate.html Please explain. It's both a political tool and an industry unto itself. See the following: Homophobia Inc.: Christianist Message of Hate Raises Hundreds of Millions of Dollars - Tax-Free Homophobia has flourished in the Bush era, both as a potent political tool and as an industry unto itself. Many people believe George Bush would have lost Ohio in 2004, and thus a second term, if Karl Rove hadn't made sure there was an anti-gay initiative on the state ballot. In just one year, the top 10 Christianist groups that promote homophobia raised over $400 million in tax-free dollars: * Christian Broadcasting Network (CBN) Founder, CEO and Director: Pat Robertson 2004 Revenue: $186,482,060 * Focus on the Family Founder and chairman: Dr. James C. Dobson 2005 Revenue: $137,848,520 * Coral Ridge Ministries Founder and President: Rev. D. James Kennedy 2005 Revenue: $39,253,882 * Alliance Defense Fund (ADF) President, CEO and General Counsel: Alan Sears 2004 Revenue: $17,921,146 * American Family Association (AFA) Founder and Chairman: The Rev. Donald Wildmon 2005 Revenue: $17,595,352 * American Center for Law and Justice (ACLJ) Founder and President: Pat Robertson, Chief Counsel: Jay Sekulow 2005 Revenue: $14,485,514 * Family Research Council (FRC) Founder: James C. Dobson, President and CEO: Tony Perkins 2005 Revenue: $9,958,115 * Jerry Falwell Ministries Founder and Director: Jerry Falwell (deceased) 2005 Revenue: $8,950,480 * Concerned Women for America (CWA) Founders: Tim and Beverly LaHaye 2005 Revenue: $8,484,108 * Traditional Values Coalition (TVC) Founder and Chairman: The Rev. Louis P. Sheldon 2005 Revenue: $6,389,448 All of these groups use homophobia as a fundraising tool, but while some address a wide range of social issues, four of them Focus on the Family, AFA, FRC, TVC are one-trick ponies that focus all or most of their activities on promoting homophobia. (The late Falwell and CWA arguably could belong to this group too.) These four groups raised $169 million of the revenue in 2005. If fundraising for these four hate groups remains flat each year from 2005 through the end of 2007, they will have raised about $500 million among them in three years. Tax free. Link: http://tinyurl.com/329cum [snip]
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Everybody knows God is nonpartisan
In a message dated 9/14/07 12:13:30 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: God is soo gay Uh oh, Curtis has his gaydar on. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey, Turq
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bronte Baxter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Come on, buddy. I wasn't trying to lecture you. I was trying to answer the well-thought-out arguments you made a few days ago in answer to my post. You objected that day to my phrase, come on, guru fans, I'm ready for the snowballs, so today I changed it to guru enthusiasts, and still seem to have offended you. I don't know if you follow a guru or not, but your post certainly extolled the benefits of being blasted by an enlightened being (most people who blast like that are gurus). Hence the friendly-meant phrase guru fans. Take it easy on me, Turq. I was trying to have some fun tossing a ball back and forth. I enjoy your Paris emails. They're funny and have heart. Why do you have to be so prickly when you aren't soliliquizing? Idiot is off-limits. If you talk to me, I expect respect. If that's too hard, we can agree to ignore each other. Quite frankly, you haven't said anything yet that interests me. Most of is simple negation. Try posting something positive and I'll see if you've got any chops. Until then, I'll stick with folks here who have proved that they've got something to say. Is that clear enough for you?
[FairfieldLife] Turq The Flamer! (Re: Self-Annihilation of Everything Worth Anything )
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Turq, About the Bronte thing, I resonate!! I agree with your concepts. But, but, but.Turq, I know I test your patience. I wish I were better at this friend of Turq business. Okay, here it comestake a deep breath. Geeze, you lost it, and you're not feeling any need to explain or apologize or deal with it, eh? Not a bit. I have a low tolerance for certain acts. Hee hee. Now, that said, if it were a contest, I'd say you come in second place to me for bad reactions -- I win! As proof, I offer my posts regarding the word liar. You're certainly one of the good guys here -- your great wisdom is shown by the delicacy of your perceptions and the nuances seen in your creative writing -- I bow, man, you know I bow to your manifestations. But, you know that Bronte is a newbie who hasn't read your many many posts about gurus, and well, you unloaded on her without pointing out who you actually are, again and again if necessary To the contrary, I wrote a long, compassionate post pointing out exactly who I was, in response to having been taken for something else because (as far as I can tell) all she can see around her is what she projects there. I'm sorry, Edg, but right now, with my move to Spain and reinventing my life yet again and all, I just don't feel I've got the time to waste on people with whom the conversation goes sorta like this: Person1: All you people who believe A, B and C are so clueless. Why aren't you more like me who believes X, Y and Z? Person2: Excuse me? I think you've mistaken me for someone else. I do NOT believe in A, B and C. I walked away from A, B and C probably before you ever got involved with it. I'm really sorry for you that you now feel so badly about your involvement with A, B and C and that you seem to have some baggage associ- ated with it, but I don't. It was an E-ticket roller coaster ride for me, and I enjoyed both the ups and the downs. Now, like you, I tend to resonate more with X and Y, although I think that Z is merely a manifestation of ego and not terribly productive. Person1: Hey Turq and all you other A, B and C believers out there, listen to this rant about how deluded you A, B and C lovers are... Sorry...complete waste of time. When and if she catches a clue I'll come out to play, but not until. My reaction may be colored by having been stalked on this and other forums for *decades* by people around whom I just can't say shit without them jumping in and trying to suck me into a head-to-head argument with them. I'm just fuckin' tired of it. I've wasted far too much of my time dealing with these insecure energy suckers, and right now I'm more into saving my energy for more productive things. If they get all hurt, tough. I'm through playing nice with people who -- again, as far as I can tell -- just want to suck energy and attention. I like playing with folks who give as much as they take, who bring some- thing positive to the table, and aren't just simple contrarians. I *love* interacting with you, with Rick, with Curtis, with Marek, with lurk and Alex, and with many others here, because you all put energy back into the system. You've all been around the block and, no matter how you might rag on things from time to time, you all take the time to praise and celebrate the things that make you smile as well. That's a pretty big indicator to me that someone has gotten past the me stage of life and is dwelling more in the we stage. I'm no Mother Teresa or selfless saint. I've spent too many years on these forums trying to get through to people whose idea of a good time seems to be head- to-head arguments and/or trolling for attention. Now I just write them off. If they later begin to post more interesting stuff and I feel like responding to it, I will, and the past will be dust...I will try my best to not remember it and not base my present on remembered past behavior. But lately I've become very, very aware of time and how it just keeps tickin' away, and I'm not willing to waste much more of it. If this seems harsh to you, so be it. I'm just so TIRED of people telling me on these forums that I have to justify what I say because they don't like it. If they don't like it, TOUGH BEANS. They are free to write whole *novels* about how awful or untruthful or inane or deluded my opinions are, and I would not for a moment try to stop them from doing so. But I don't have to respond to them. These days I try to only respond to the things that give me something fun to play with, mentally or verbally. Or that give me an opportunity to crack a dumb joke. But I'm just not turned on by these long head-to-head-somebody's- got-to-win encounters that a few people seem to live for. Let them have those conversations with other people, who believe that they'll live forever and that the time they spend in those arguments will seem worth it to
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Everybody knows God is nonpartisan
In a message dated 9/14/07 1:02:18 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: All of these groups use homophobia as a fundraising tool So what percentage of the population would you say are homophobes? ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Synthetic life skeptics...
Jeff and all, If we have this greater consciousness, then I find it unlikely that we will fall extinct like other species, such as dinosaurs. It is my opinion that by the time we have the means and will to destroy the planet, we will have the knowledge of being able to escape such circumstances. I believe the end of the cold war was an example of being able to escape our demise. Let's hope so. Human life is the battleground between good and evil, as depicted in many wisdom books from all cultures. I can understand how the universe would be a form of collective consciousness. However, because it is collective, there are many variations that come about...therefore very few absolute truths...if any. I do not, however, understand how a galaxy could have a consciousness. All definitions of consciousness seem to point to the mind, if even removing the brain from the equation. Isn't the ability to reason a product of consciousness? Can a rock or a pile of rocks reason? How then could they possibly have a consciousness? The have order and energy, therefore the forces of gravity, magnetism, etc. But isn't that a big leap from physical processes to that of consciousness? To say they do is to me the belittlement of the greatest of consciousness itself. The main premise of the unified theory (per Dr. Hagelin) to explain the origin of the universe is that consciousness is the pervading link that connects all of life and matter in the universe. Hence, all of matter is a form of consciousness. Supposedly, humans have the highest degree of consciousness in that we are able to understand the wholeness of life from the minutest to the largest. This concept ties in with the vedic idea, from one of the shastras, that the Divine created the universe and infused Its spirit in all of creation. Regards, John R. And yes, I will be very careful not to allow any newly formed synthetic species to escape into our natural environment. This would be easier if I had a team to work with, which could brainstorm all possibilities. But for the time being, it's just lonely ole me. Jeff Cook --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: Jeff, My comments are as follows: Really though, what of anything do humans do that mutually benefits any other species? Does over-farming, deforestation, environmental polution and/or change or the like benefit any other species besides us? Humans should coexist with nature and not harm or destroy it. Supposedly, humans have the advantage of consciousness, thus are capable of intelligent choice. Sometimes, we wonder if this is so since we are bent on killing each other for the sake of a religious tenet. For the most part, humans are still ignorant of seeing the big picture, although there are a few individuals like the rishis in the past who understood the wholeness of life. My take on this is that whatever we do is a natural process. Everytime we built the next skyscraper or oil drill, what we are doing is purely a natural process. It is no different than termites building a mound...it's just that our achievements are more advanced and much bigger. But we are of nature, so anything we could possibly do will always be a natural process. How bold of us to wish we were above nature...we ARE nature. Very true. As such, we should use our intelligence to promote life on earth. If not, it is possible that humans could blow themselves up in this planet. We could be another example of a species that became extinct, like the dinosaurs from the past. Then, what specie would qualify for having the highest intelligence? The dolphins? Ants? Is it possible for them to develop consciousness like humans on earth millions of years from now? It seems to me that the uniqueness of being human is that we are able to make a choice through introspection, or consciousness and intelligence. Hence, it appears to me that this is the highest development that any living form can make in Nature. For the most part, the rest of the living forms on earth operate on an automatic mode, through the mechanics of the gunas. And from what I see in the universe is that without life, systems are pretty much random and chaotic. It takes like to create order. And as far as lifeforms on one planet being able to impact those on another, I doubt it...unless they advance to intelligent beings and travel to the next planet in order to disrupt the balance there. For most people, it seems cool to think and say what the latest scientific guru is saying about the nature of the universe. Hence, we hear terms like chaos theory and the absurd being applied to explain the origin of life. However, the vedic rishis have thought
[FairfieldLife] Re: Everybody knows God is nonpartisan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/14/07 1:02:18 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: All of these groups use homophobia as a fundraising tool So what percentage of the population would you say are homophobes? I don't know exactly but they apparently make up a significant part of the GOP base.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Everybody knows God is nonpartisan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/14/07 12:13:30 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: God is soo gay Uh oh, Curtis has his gaydar on. Did ya see where God hangs his keys? Total power bottom. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Study Links Homophobia with Homosexual Arousal
True, but they probably don't get a boner while condemning the spinach. Having an *aversion* or feeling *discomfort* about something doesn't constitute a phobia. Look up the definition of the word. If one doesn't like crime and averts it, is that irrational? If one doesn't like spinach is that a phobia? Are vegetarians meataphobics? So to not agree with the Gay agenda or support it and consider homosexual conduct to be abhorrent doesn't automatically make one homophobic. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey, Turq
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bronte Baxter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Come on, buddy. I wasn't trying to lecture you. I was trying to answer the well-thought-out arguments you made a few days ago in answer to my post. You objected that day to my phrase, come on, guru fans, I'm ready for the snowballs, so today I changed it to guru enthusiasts, and still seem to have offended you. I don't know if you follow a guru or not, but your post certainly extolled the benefits of being blasted by an enlightened being (most people who blast like that are gurus). Hence the friendly-meant phrase guru fans. Take it easy on me, Turq. I was trying to have some fun tossing a ball back and forth. I enjoy your Paris emails. They're funny and have heart. Why do you have to be so prickly when you aren't soliliquizing? Idiot is off-limits. If you talk to me, I expect respect. If that's too hard, we can agree to ignore each other. I wouldn't bother conversing with Turq. This is nothing unusual for him. He only wants to talk to people who pet his ego which is in so much need of saving. When I first came here he was extremely rude to other people here, nothing has really changed since then. Apart from engaging in never ending slander that fills up FFL, his other contributions are mostly self-absorbed monotonous poorly written monologues. He also has a hatred for women, except for those who are far too young for the old man. OffWorld
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Everybody knows God is nonpartisan
In a message dated 9/14/07 1:02:18 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Religious Right and Anti-Gay Speech: In their Own Words _http://www.hatecrimhttp://www.hatehttp://www.http://ww_ (http://www.hatecrime.org/subpages/hatespeech/hate.html) Please explain. It's both a political tool and an industry unto itself. See the following: Homophobia Inc.: Christianist Message of Hate Raises Hundreds of Millions of Dollars - Tax-Free Homophobia has flourished in the Bush era, both as a potent political tool and as an industry unto itself. — Many people believe George Bush would have lost Ohio in 2004, and thus a second term, if Karl Rove hadn't made sure there was an anti-gay initiative on the state ballot. — In just one year, the top 10 Christianist groups that promote homophobia raised over $400 million in tax-free dollars: * Christian Broadcasting Network (CBN) Founder, CEO and Director: Pat Robertson 2004 Revenue: $186,482,060 * Focus on the Family Founder and chairman: Dr. James C. Dobson 2005 Revenue: $137,848,520 * Coral Ridge Ministries Founder and President: Rev. D. James Kennedy 2005 Revenue: $39,253,882 * Alliance Defense Fund (ADF) President, CEO and General Counsel: Alan Sears 2004 Revenue: $17,921,146 * American Family Association (AFA) Founder and Chairman: The Rev. Donald Wildmon 2005 Revenue: $17,595,352 * American Center for Law and Justice (ACLJ) Founder and President: Pat Robertson, Chief Counsel: Jay Sekulow 2005 Revenue: $14,485,514 * Family Research Council (FRC) Founder: James C. Dobson, President and CEO: Tony Perkins 2005 Revenue: $9,958,115 * Jerry Falwell Ministries Founder and Director: Jerry Falwell (deceased) 2005 Revenue: $8,950,480 * Concerned Women for America (CWA) Founders: Tim and Beverly LaHaye 2005 Revenue: $8,484,108 * Traditional Values Coalition (TVC) Founder and Chairman: The Rev. Louis P. Sheldon 2005 Revenue: $6,389,448 All of these groups use homophobia as a fundraising tool, but while some address a wide range of social issues, four of them — Focus on the Family, AFA, FRC, TVC — are one-trick ponies that focus all or most of their activities on promoting homophobia. (The late Falwell and CWA arguably could belong to this group too.) These four groups raised $169 million of the revenue in 2005. If fundraising for these four hate groups remains flat each year from 2005 through the end of 2007, they will have raised about $500 million among them in three years. Tax free. Now talk about your straw man. Here you take an extremist group, similar to the Ku Klux Klan and associate their hatred for homosexuals with anybody that is against the gay political agenda. If one is not accepting of homosexuality as normal and just an alternative life style, then you have a phobia, an irrational fear, a fear that you might have those tendencies within you and you must suppress them so nobody knows. Problem is you only have to be against the gay political agenda to be classified a homophobe, not have an irrational fear. Wow, nice try. But the fact remains most Christians resent a group of people trying to change the culture and force them to accept a lifestyle they find an abomination and against their values. Nothing wrong with supporting politicians that will throw road blocks up to that. That doesn't make somebody a *gay basher*. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dear Bevan and Dr. Hagelin:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wgm4u@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wgm4u@ wrote: In order to be functioning from the 'Home of all the Laws of Nature', (Brahm) the Kundalini energy MUST be awakened, there is no other way. If you need a description of such an experience look in Revelation 1:1 thru 1:20 and it will give you a description of conscious transcending, since you don't have one and haven't been given one!! My guess is that few or NONE of the current Purusha or Siddhas have 'awakened' the Kundalini, hence there is NO MMY effect, how could there be? I know so many sidhas who have had kundalini experiences as a common occurance it is tedious for most of them to talk about it anymore. It is such a great experience, and yet most siddhas have moved far beyond that. What you are saying may sound good, but it's nothing but wishful thinking at best and nonsense at worst. Lol, got any scientific proof to back up your statements, published in peer-reviewed scientific journals? Because believe me, Hagelin will leave you squirming in the dust when it comes to that. Without that your statements are a joke. Laughable for anyone of any level of education OffWorld MMY himself confides that Kundalini is the path to enlightenment, (See audio tape). I don't know anyone who has awakened it! You don't seriously believe that even half of those Siddhas have awakened Kundalini do you? Most of them don't even know what it is. Almost every Sidha I met (and I have met many) knows what kundalini is, and Maharishi talked about it decades ago. It may be new to you though, that is why you are all excited by it, and acting like sidhas don't know about it. It is old news, and I would be very surprised to meet a sidha who has not heard about it nor discussed it at great length with others. To most of us it is old news and simply a natural event. Maharishi said it rises, it falls, it is just natural or words to that effect. You make it out to be the be all and end all of existence because you haven't really experienced it. Many times I have heard siddhas describe it. OffWorld MMY has only mentioned it once or twice in the '70's, the accounts your friends are probably talking about are from other sources. No it wasn't, they were innocent remarks, and they did not use the word 'kundalini'. You're ego cannot accept that you are not the first to have experienced it. Which you have not described as far as I can tell. I've known about it for years and years. Lol, 3 years ! I forgot about it 15 years ago. And yes, it is the be all and end all of experience because it leads to Enlightenment Describe your experience of Kundalini, precisely and unpoetically. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bible account of transcending...according to St. John.
In the beginning was the Weda, and the Weda was with the Totality, and the Weda was Totality. John 1:2 -OffWorld --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Revelations: 1:10 thru 1:20 Rev 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, I was meditating on God and heard the sound of the Cosmic OM, AUM reveberating in my consciousness. Rev 1:12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks; As my attention was 'turned' within (away from matter towards Spirit) I observed 7 vortices of energy (etheric bridges connecting the physical body with the astral body of light). Rev 1:13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks [one] like unto the Son of man, My etheric/astral body looked like my physical body, (the son of man). Rev 1:14 His head and hair were white like wool.. I experienced the crown chakra as pure white light. Rev 1:15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters. I experienced the luminous gold colors of the astral body and the wondrous sounds of the spinning wheels (chakras). Rev 1:16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: I saw 7 shining wheels of the astral body (chakras) sitting atop the 7 candlesticks or bridges of the etheric body. and out of his mouth went a sharp two edged sword: and his countenance [was] as the sun shineth in his strength. I observed the dual current of the medulla oblongata and the thousand petaled lotus in the cortex. Rev 1:17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. My physical body was as if dead and lay at my 'feet', (describing the breathless state or the state of Samadhi). And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: The Holy word of God, the Amen or Aum spoke to me. Rev 1:18 I [am] he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen. I realized my true self as pure light, joy and power.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dear Bevan and Dr. Hagelin:
I agree, this is a stretch to take it as a description of kundalini. OffWorld --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, matrixmonitor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ---This is ridiculous! There is no hidden kundalini message in this. It's a clear revelation concerning the Person of Jesus Christ. Don't invent your own New Age meanings. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wgm4u@ wrote: In order to be functioning from the 'Home of all the Laws of Nature', (Brahm) the Kundalini energy MUST be awakened, there is no other way. If you need a description of such an experience look in Revelation 1:1 thru 1:20 Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified [it] by his angel unto his servant John: Rev 1:2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw. Rev 1:3 Blessed [is] he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time [is] at hand. Rev 1:4 ¶ John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace [be] unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne; Rev 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, [who is] the faithful witness, [and] the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, Rev 1:6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him [be] glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen. Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they [also] which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. Rev 1:9 ¶ I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ. Rev 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, Rev 1:11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send [it] unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea. Rev 1:12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks; Rev 1:13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks [one] like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle. Rev 1:14 His head and [his] hairs [were] white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes [were] as a flame of fire; Rev 1:15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters. Rev 1:16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance [was] as the sun shineth in his strength. Rev 1:17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: Rev 1:18 I [am] he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death. Rev 1:19 Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter; Rev 1:20 The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches. WTF ! OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bible account of transcending...according to St. John.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the beginning was the Weda, and the Weda was with the Totality, and the Weda was Totality. John 1:2 See...I told ya! Chewbacca also knew all of these things!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Everybody knows God is nonpartisan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/14/07 1:02:18 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Religious Right and Anti-Gay Speech: In their Own Words _http://www.hatecrimhttp://www.hatehttp://www.http://ww_ (http://www.hatecrime.org/subpages/hatespeech/hate.html) Please explain. It's both a political tool and an industry unto itself. See the following: Homophobia Inc.: Christianist Message of Hate Raises Hundreds of Millions of Dollars - Tax-Free Homophobia has flourished in the Bush era, both as a potent political tool and as an industry unto itself. â Many people believe George Bush would have lost Ohio in 2004, and thus a second term, if Karl Rove hadn't made sure there was an anti-gay initiative on the state ballot. â In just one year, the top 10 Christianist groups that promote homophobia raised over $400 million in tax-free dollars: * Christian Broadcasting Network (CBN) Founder, CEO and Director: Pat Robertson 2004 Revenue: $186,482,060 * Focus on the Family Founder and chairman: Dr. James C. Dobson 2005 Revenue: $137,848,520 * Coral Ridge Ministries Founder and President: Rev. D. James Kennedy 2005 Revenue: $39,253,882 * Alliance Defense Fund (ADF) President, CEO and General Counsel: Alan Sears 2004 Revenue: $17,921,146 * American Family Association (AFA) Founder and Chairman: The Rev. Donald Wildmon 2005 Revenue: $17,595,352 * American Center for Law and Justice (ACLJ) Founder and President: Pat Robertson, Chief Counsel: Jay Sekulow 2005 Revenue: $14,485,514 * Family Research Council (FRC) Founder: James C. Dobson, President and CEO: Tony Perkins 2005 Revenue: $9,958,115 * Jerry Falwell Ministries Founder and Director: Jerry Falwell (deceased) 2005 Revenue: $8,950,480 * Concerned Women for America (CWA) Founders: Tim and Beverly LaHaye 2005 Revenue: $8,484,108 * Traditional Values Coalition (TVC) Founder and Chairman: The Rev. Louis P. Sheldon 2005 Revenue: $6,389,448 All of these groups use homophobia as a fundraising tool, but while some address a wide range of social issues, four of them â Focus on the Family, AFA, FRC, TVC â are one-trick ponies that focus all or most of their activities on promoting homophobia. (The late Falwell and CWA arguably could belong to this group too.) These four groups raised $169 million of the revenue in 2005. If fundraising for these four hate groups remains flat each year from 2005 through the end of 2007, they will have raised about $500 million among them in three years. Tax free. Now talk about your straw man. Here you take an extremist group, similar to the Ku Klux Klan and associate their hatred for homosexuals with anybody that is against the gay political agenda. If one is not accepting of homosexuality as normal and just an alternative life style, then you have a phobia, an irrational fear, a fear that you might have those tendencies within you and you must suppress them so nobody knows. Problem is you only have to be against the gay political agenda to be classified a homophobe, not have an irrational fear. Wow, nice try. But the fact remains most Christians resent a group of people trying to change the culture and force them to accept a lifestyle they find an abomination and against their values. Nothing wrong with supporting politicians that will throw road blocks up to that. That doesn't make somebody a *gay basher*. Again, you either smugly didn't read the material or you're actually unable to digest factual information that disagrees with you. And, If you're equating the list above with the KKK, you're out of synch with Bush's Christian Right base because that list is essentially its main core. Many on that list are also represented at the 'Religious Right and Anti-Gay Speech: In their Own Words' website I provided a link to.
[FairfieldLife] Correlation length and YF
http://www.globalgoodnews.com/ Maharishi explains the phenomenon of Yogic Flying: Optimizing brain functioning to create invincibility and world peace - Part II by Global Good News staff writer Global Good News 14 September 2007 The current focus of the leaders of the Global Country of World Peace to create invincibility in every nation of the world is inspired by and founded on the Total Knowledge of Natural Law brought to light by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi in his Vedic Science and Technology. Maharishi has explained that we can locate the seat of world peace in the coherently functioning brain physiology of the individual. By unfolding the full creative potential of the individual brain physiology through Transcendental Meditation, the TM-Sidhi Programme and especially through the more advanced practice of Yogic Flying, coherence is created in world consciousness, which is the basis of world peace. In one of his books, Maharishi Speaks to Students, Maharishi gives a beautiful explanation of Yogic Flying in this context. As a service to our readers, this is the second of two articles featured by Global Good News presenting Maharishi's explanation of Yogic Flying. Please see Part I of this article. In this second part of Maharishi's explanation, he explains that Yogic Flyers demonstrate how to create coherent collective consciousnessnational consciousnessin order to bring national law in alliance with Natural Law. 'The Yogic Flying technique accelerates the evolution of the individual to enlightenmentthe state of fulfilment in which life is lived in full accord with Natural Law, free from suffering and problems.' The phenomenon produced by Yogic Flying gives the experience of bliss and generates coherence between consciousness and the body. EEG studies have shown that during this phenomenon, when the body lifts up in the air, physiology and consciousness are completely integrated. 'This integration takes place at the level of the Unified Field of Natural Law, which has the character of infinite correlation. The impulse of coherence from this level spontaneously reconstructs and transforms unnatural, stressful, negative, undesirable tendencies in the brain physiology, and brain functioning becomes coherent. 'Considering this phenomenon in the light of the Unified Field Theories of modern Physics and Quantum Cosmology, we understand that the scale of Super Unification at the level of the Unified Field is associated with a fundamental phase transition in the structure of Natural Law from a diversified state to a completely unified state.' The defining characteristic of such a phase transition is that the 'correlation length', which is a measure of the connectedness or correlation of different components of a system, expands to finally become infinite. At the scale of Super Unification all aspects of Natural Law at every point in the universe become infinitely correlated with each other. Every single law of Nature functions in accordance with the holistic value of Natural Law, and this is how order is maintained through the evolutionary direction of the invincible organizing power of Natural Law. 'A delicate impulse at any one point in space and time,' Maharishi explains, 'can create a precipitious change throughout the entire universe. This long-range correlation explains how action on the level of the Unified Field, at the scale of Super Unification (the transcendental field of intelligence), can have a profound influence that can spread anywhere and everywhere throughout the universe. 'In this way the phenomenon of coherence of groups of Yogic Flyers spreads, neutralizing the negative tendencies in the whole society. This is how modern science validates Maharishi's programmes to provide perfect education to create enlightened individuals and a problem-free nation.' From the perspective of Maharishi Vedic Science, from the Yoga Sutra, the teaching of Yoga and the experience of Transcendental Consciousness, comes the expression 'In the vicinity of coherence (Yoga), hostile tendencies are eliminated.' Thus both modern science and ancient Vedic science validate the phenomenon and influence of coherence experienced and created by Yogic Flyers during their group practice of Maharishi's Transcendental Meditation and TM-Sidhi Programme. Please see also the Maharishi Effect. Copyright © 2007 Global Good News(sm) Service.
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[FairfieldLife] Homophobic Trauma - by William Edelen
HOMOPHOBIC TRAUMA William Edelen January 28, 2007 I have always believed in the evolution of consciousness. Especially from those who blabber every Sunday morning from pulpits about something called love. Ugly and vicious internal battles are going on today in Episcopalian churches, as well as Methodist, Presbyterian and others. And of course all fundamentalist churches are in homophobic trauma. I am having doubts about the evolution of consciousness. A roll call of the brilliant gays and lesbians of history who have made giant contributions to our evolution as a species and to our cultural heritage, would include the following. King James (yes, of King James bible fame)Plato..Alexander the Great...Leonardo Da Vinci...Gore Vidal...Michelangelo...Walt Whitman...Emily Dickinson...Gertrude Stein...Rock Hudson...Greta Garbo..W.H. Auden...Amy Lowell...Tennessee Williams...Thornton Wilder...Willa Cather...Jane Austen...Henry James...George Santayana...Babe Zaharias...Christopher Isherwood...Peter Tchaikovsky...Oscar Wilde...Clifton Webb...Ethel Waters...Frederick the Great...Liberace...Rudolph Valentino...James Dean...James Hormel...Ramon Navarro...Malcolm Forbes...Christopher Marlowe...Phillip Johnson...Van Cliburn...Edward Everett Horton...John GielgudGeorge Gershwin...Adrian...Aristotle...Hadrian...Chastity Bono...Noel Coward...Agnes Moorehead...Montgomery Clift...Anthony Perkins...Virginia Woolf...Edward Albee...Andre Gide...Sumner Welles...Cole Porter...George Cukor...Marcel Proust...Rudolph Nureyev...Genet...Dag Hammarskjold...Martina Navratilova...John Chever...Aaron Copland...A.E. Housman...William Tilden...Greg Louganis...Ian McKellen...Richard Halliburton...Lawrence of Arabia...William Haines...Horatio Alger...Jean Genet...Ethel WatersLeonard Bernstein...and space limitations preclude my listing thousands more of many of the most creative and brilliant representatives of our species. I have two nephews. brothers, who often visited me on Marine Corps and Naval Air Stations. They always wanted to be a fighter pilot like their uncle Bill. They both became that. Both of them top Naval Fighter pilots. One became the Number one Top Gun of that elite group. His brother is gay and has been as far back as he can remember. Today he is a captain with one of Americas largest airlines and is one of the finest pilots in America. Gay. Robert Bernstein, former Senior Trial Lawyer for the U.S. Dept. of Justice, wrote an excellent book Straight Parents, Gay Children. He and his wife were told by their daughter that she had always been a lesbian. They embraced her with love, and marched with her in gay parades. Bob went on to become the National President of PFLAG (Parents and Friends of Lesbians and Gays.) one of the finest and most loving organizations in America. He had a full house when he spoke to my Sunday Symposium in Palm Springs. When is the good Christian love going to extend to the over 600,000 lesbian and gay youth under 18 years of age in California alone. The suicide rate is the highest in gay and lesbian children because of their families inability to accept who they are and give them the Christian 'love' they prattle about every Sunday in church. The Christian church has a 2000 year old history of opposing scientific truth and blocking moral issues: the brutal persecution of Copernicus...Galileo...Bruno...Vesalius and others; supporting slavery with biblical references...fighting against the rights of women, including voting...still an issue today where wives are told to stay in their place as biblically defined. How many future generations of morally sensitive people are going to be amazed, and laughing, at the homophobic ignorance and superstitions of todays churches? In the name of Christian love, the thin-lipped witch hunting moralists are at work. Poor things. They can hardly get out of bed in the morning without knees shaking,..hands shaking and lips quivering. The sexual world they have to face each day is full of fantasized goblins...devils..evil spirits and bogeymen and their church fights over bedroom witch hunts. A closing question that any intelligent grade school child could ask: When are Christians going to start living the love they drivel about every Sunday.?
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Homophobic Trauma - by William Edelen
Technicaly speaking the controversy is about which hole you ejaculate your semen into.!! To some people it's a big issue, to some it's not. If you don't ejaculate into a hole, It's called a hand-job. Semitic religions, ie Judaism, Christianity and Islam are a pile of Shit. Their scriptures should be put in the shit list. oneradiantbeing [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 22:18:22 - Subject: [FairfieldLife] Homophobic Trauma - by William Edelen HOMOPHOBIC TRAUMA William Edelen January 28, 2007 I have always believed in the evolution of consciousness. Especially from those who blabber every Sunday morning from pulpits about something called love. Ugly and vicious internal battles are going on today in Episcopalian churches, as well as Methodist, Presbyterian and others. And of course all fundamentalist churches are in homophobic trauma. I am having doubts about the evolution of consciousness. A roll call of the brilliant gays and lesbians of history who have made giant contributions to our evolution as a species and to our cultural heritage, would include the following. King James (yes, of King James bible fame)Plato. .Alexander the Great...Leonardo Da Vinci...Gore Vidal...Michelangel o...Walt Whitman...Emily Dickinson... Gertrude Stein...Rock Hudson...Greta Garbo..W.H. Auden...Amy Lowell...Tennessee Williams...Thornton Wilder...Willa Cather...Jane Austen...Henry James...George Santayana... Babe Zaharias...Christop her Isherwood... Peter Tchaikovsky. ..Oscar Wilde...Clifton Webb...Ethel Waters...Frederick the Great...Liberace. ..Rudolph Valentino... James Dean...James Hormel...Ramon Navarro...Malcolm Forbes...Christophe r Marlowe...Phillip Johnson...Van Cliburn...Edward Everett Horton...John GielgudGeorge Gershwin...Adrian. ..Aristotle. ..Hadrian. ..Chastity Bono...Noel Coward...Agnes Moorehead... Montgomery Clift...Anthony Perkins...Virginia Woolf...Edward Albee...Andre Gide...Sumner Welles...Cole Porter...George Cukor...Marcel Proust...Rudolph Nureyev...Genet. ..Dag Hammarskjold. ..Martina Navratilova. ..John Chever...Aaron Copland...A. E. Housman...William Tilden...Greg Louganis...Ian McKellen...Richard Halliburton. ..Lawrence of Arabia...William Haines...Horatio Alger...Jean Genet...Ethel WatersLeonard Bernstein... and space limitations preclude my listing thousands more of many of the most creative and brilliant representatives of our species. I have two nephews. brothers, who often visited me on Marine Corps and Naval Air Stations. They always wanted to be a fighter pilot like their uncle Bill. They both became that. Both of them top Naval Fighter pilots. One became the Number one Top Gun of that elite group. His brother is gay and has been as far back as he can remember. Today he is a captain with one of Americas largest airlines and is one of the finest pilots in America. Gay. Robert Bernstein, former Senior Trial Lawyer for the U.S. Dept. of Justice, wrote an excellent book Straight Parents, Gay Children. He and his wife were told by their daughter that she had always been a lesbian. They embraced her with love, and marched with her in gay parades. Bob went on to become the National President of PFLAG (Parents and Friends of Lesbians and Gays.) one of the finest and most loving organizations in America. He had a full house when he spoke to my Sunday Symposium in Palm Springs. When is the good Christian love going to extend to the over 600,000 lesbian and gay youth under 18 years of age in California alone. The suicide rate is the highest in gay and lesbian children because of their families inability to accept who they are and give them the Christian 'love' they prattle about every Sunday in church. The Christian church has a 2000 year old history of opposing scientific truth and blocking moral issues: the brutal persecution of Copernicus.. .Galileo. ..Bruno.. .Vesalius and others; supporting slavery with biblical references.. .fighting against the rights of women, including voting...still an issue today where wives are told to stay in their place as biblically defined. How many future generations of morally sensitive people are going to be amazed, and laughing, at the homophobic ignorance and superstitions of todays churches? In the name of Christian love, the thin-lipped witch hunting moralists are at work. Poor things. They can hardly get out of bed in the morning without knees shaking,..hands shaking and lips quivering. The sexual world they have to face each day is full of fantasized goblins...devils. .evil spirits and bogeymen and their church fights over bedroom witch hunts. A closing question that any intelligent grade school child could ask: When are Christians going to start living the love they drivel about every Sunday.? - Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting
[FairfieldLife] 2 Days In Paris
No, not me. I've been here for six days on this trip to Paris, with one more to go. The Subject line is the name of the movie I saw tonight. Two movies since I've been in Paris...two absolute winners. Julie Delpy had me with Killing Zoe. She walked into Eric Stoltz's hotel room and into my dreams with her striptease done to Nosferatu on the TV in the background and Tanger- ine Dreamlike techno on the soundtrack. And since then I've seen her in a number of other films, and she never disap- points. Never. That's something I say about very few actors and actresses. So when I made my way to Odéon tonight in search of a movie, and saw *her* film -- as writer and director -- on one of the marquees, I was on it like les mouches sur le merde. It did *not* disappoint. It's another wonderful film, one that I can recommend heartily. Half in French, half in English, it's the story of a French girl who keeps an apartment in Paris although she lives ten months a year in the US, and her American boyfriend, doing the titular 2 days in Paris. He speaks no French, and is a tad...uh...insecure, and so when the trip to Paris turns into a seeming marathon of her running into her old lovers, angst ensues. But so does deep, side-splitting comedy. Some of the lines, both in English and in French, are simply To Die For. As indicated by her interviews on television and in print, Julie Delpy is one smart cookie. This film captures and makes light-hearted fun of both the American and the French tendencies towards self-absorption and weirdness. As romantic comedies go, it's not quite up in the Pantheon with When Harry Met Sally, but damned if it's not in the same general neighborhood. Delpy really has a *feel* for both the male and the female side of the bipolar Tantric juxta- position of gender neuroses. The guy makes you cringe and vascilate between distaste and compassion for his clueless- ness (as guys are wont to do), and her character (she stars in the film she created) is not above having a few...uh... flamboyant moments herself. The scene in the restaurant with her just *losing it* because an ex with whom she still has issues after seven years is seated at the next table is nothing short of hilarious. It's right up there with Sally's I'll have what she's having scene in the New York deli. All in all, I've done well with my movie choices on this trip to Paris. And Julie Delpy has done well with her transition from comediènne to réalizateur. If she continues with directing, she could actually become a force in the modern cinema. This is really an auspicious start.
[FairfieldLife] Desperado
So where did I wind up on a Friday night in Paris? Sitting at a really bad Mexican restaurant in the Latin Quarter, eating one of the worst tostadas I've ever had, drinking one of the worst margaritas I've ever had, but chasing it down with a not-half-bad Reposado. So why here? Simple. It has a window table, where I can sit and watch the people walking by. Even better, this table has an electical outlet next to it. Power plugs near the tables are scarcer in France than hen's teeth. And, to top it off, the restaurant has a not-half-bad mariachi band. The guys in the band know me, because I used to sit and write here when I lived in Paris, and whenever I come in they come to my table and sing me songs from the soundtrack of the film Desperado. It's one of my favorite films, the second by that enfant térrible of the cinema from Austin, Texas, Rodriguez. He's one of my favorite directors because of his ability to juxtapose seemingly incompatible elements in his films. Action and romance. Fear and side-splitting humor. His DVDs reveal his True Inner Nature, because on each of them he includes one of his Ten Minute Film School clips, with the clear intent of inspiring young filmmakers around the world to do what he did, and turn their cheap HD video- cams and computers into full-fledged film careers. Desperado was the bigger-budget sequel to Rodriguez's first film, El Mariachi. That first film was made on a budget of -- no shit -- 7000 dollars. He planned to shoot it and move it direct to video in Mexico to raise money for a real movie. Instead, someone entered it at the Sundance Film Festival, and history was made. I think it won the Audience Prize, and some studio offered him the chance to make a sequel. He did, in Desperado, cementing his career as a bankable director, and taking along with him on the road to stardom Antonio Banderas and Salma Hayek, both of whom were relatively unknown in the US until then. To this day, both of these now major stars will go out of their way to do bit parts in Rodriguez's films -- partly because they feel they owe him a Big One, but also because people have FUN working on his movies. He's lighthearted, and creative, and open to feedback from and improvisation by his actors. He shoots in HD, on video, so the cost of film stock is not a concern for him. Between takes, as he steps out from behind the camera to interact with his actors, he keeps the camera rolling. And some of the best moments in his films have been caught before he got back to the camera, with the actors just bouncing off of one another, thinking they were off camera. This restaurant is not terrribly Rodriguez-like. If it were, Bad Guys would have whipped out submachine guns and knives and done in most of the crowd by now. The whole restaurant would be awash with blood and gore. Only the bartender and I would have survived. (You'll get this in-joke only if you're also a fan of his movies.) But it's still pretty neat being here tonight, recharging my batteries (both computer and mental) before venturing forth to new adventures. In Desperado, the hero's guitar case is really full of guns, with which he does his real performing. Mine contains a laptop, on which I write shit like this at cafes and restaurants like this. Both of us are pretty weird by society's standards, but damned if we don't seem to be having more more FUN with life than many of the people around us who are carrying Gucci and Chanel bags and believing that others should be impressed by them.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Correlation length and YF
--I love it: Mahareeshee talk. (unfortunately for outsiders - - w.t.f.??.) - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.globalgoodnews.com/ Maharishi explains the phenomenon of Yogic Flying: Optimizing brain functioning to create invincibility and world peace - Part II by Global Good News staff writer Global Good News 14 September 2007 The current focus of the leaders of the Global Country of World Peace to create invincibility in every nation of the world is inspired by and founded on the Total Knowledge of Natural Law brought to light by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi in his Vedic Science and Technology. Maharishi has explained that we can locate the seat of world peace in the coherently functioning brain physiology of the individual. By unfolding the full creative potential of the individual brain physiology through Transcendental Meditation, the TM-Sidhi Programme and especially through the more advanced practice of Yogic Flying, coherence is created in world consciousness, which is the basis of world peace. In one of his books, Maharishi Speaks to Students, Maharishi gives a beautiful explanation of Yogic Flying in this context. As a service to our readers, this is the second of two articles featured by Global Good News presenting Maharishi's explanation of Yogic Flying. Please see Part I of this article. In this second part of Maharishi's explanation, he explains that Yogic Flyers demonstrate how to create coherent collective consciousnessnational consciousnessin order to bring national law in alliance with Natural Law. 'The Yogic Flying technique accelerates the evolution of the individual to enlightenmentthe state of fulfilment in which life is lived in full accord with Natural Law, free from suffering and problems.' The phenomenon produced by Yogic Flying gives the experience of bliss and generates coherence between consciousness and the body. EEG studies have shown that during this phenomenon, when the body lifts up in the air, physiology and consciousness are completely integrated. 'This integration takes place at the level of the Unified Field of Natural Law, which has the character of infinite correlation. The impulse of coherence from this level spontaneously reconstructs and transforms unnatural, stressful, negative, undesirable tendencies in the brain physiology, and brain functioning becomes coherent. 'Considering this phenomenon in the light of the Unified Field Theories of modern Physics and Quantum Cosmology, we understand that the scale of Super Unification at the level of the Unified Field is associated with a fundamental phase transition in the structure of Natural Law from a diversified state to a completely unified state.' The defining characteristic of such a phase transition is that the 'correlation length', which is a measure of the connectedness or correlation of different components of a system, expands to finally become infinite. At the scale of Super Unification all aspects of Natural Law at every point in the universe become infinitely correlated with each other. Every single law of Nature functions in accordance with the holistic value of Natural Law, and this is how order is maintained through the evolutionary direction of the invincible organizing power of Natural Law. 'A delicate impulse at any one point in space and time,' Maharishi explains, 'can create a precipitious change throughout the entire universe. This long-range correlation explains how action on the level of the Unified Field, at the scale of Super Unification (the transcendental field of intelligence), can have a profound influence that can spread anywhere and everywhere throughout the universe. 'In this way the phenomenon of coherence of groups of Yogic Flyers spreads, neutralizing the negative tendencies in the whole society. This is how modern science validates Maharishi's programmes to provide perfect education to create enlightened individuals and a problem-free nation.' From the perspective of Maharishi Vedic Science, from the Yoga Sutra, the teaching of Yoga and the experience of Transcendental Consciousness, comes the expression 'In the vicinity of coherence (Yoga), hostile tendencies are eliminated.' Thus both modern science and ancient Vedic science validate the phenomenon and influence of coherence experienced and created by Yogic Flyers during their group practice of Maharishi's Transcendental Meditation and TM-Sidhi Programme. Please see also the Maharishi Effect. Copyright © 2007 Global Good News(sm) Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Self-Annihilation of Everything Worth Anything (Was From a realized devotee of RM ...)
Most Neo-Advaitins are so full of mood making shit it ain't funny. They take a description of the experiential reality of Realization and then use it as a waking state concept to become enlightened. What idiots. Most don't meditate or do any sort of practice, smoke dope and drink and then try to claim that all is one because we're already enlightened. Ramana wept! --- qntmpkt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- The neutered people are the Neo-Advaitins, who are trapped in a form of delusion (even if Enlightened); delusions are possible on many levels; chief among them is the notion that there's no individual there. There IS, but simply lacking in misidentification of the I. What remains is the individual (having a social nature, a body, faults, conditionings, etc). n FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bronte Baxter Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 10:39 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Self-Annihilation of Everything Worth Anything (Was From a realized devotee of RM ...) Bronte writes: I, by contrast, regularly interact with people whom I consider Self-realized, many of whom have specialized perceptual and cognitive abilities, and most of them would agree with my characterization of true enlightenment. So before you send me back to the drawing board, you'd best come up with a better argument, mister. LOL, maybe we should get my enlightened people and your enlightened people together for a Sharks/Jets-style rumble. But seriously, if they agree with your characterization of true enlightenment, does that mean that they admit to having been neutered, or are you referring to the supposedly neutered people as not truly enlightened. If so, can you give us some examples of some of those? Shankara, Jesus, Buddha, etc. Did they cut deals with the gods? No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 269.13.18/1007 - Release Date: 9/13/2007 9:48 PM To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mailp=graduation+giftscs=bz
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Everybody knows God is nonpartisan
In a message dated 9/14/07 4:09:51 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And, If you're equating the list above with the KKK, Not at all just the link about Shepherd kid burning in hell. And you might want to read and put in context the rest of it. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
[FairfieldLife] Evan Ella, a 21-st century Enlightenment love story
http://www.wie.org/evan-ella/
[FairfieldLife] Close encounters of the Advaita kind.
The euphoric nihilism of Ramesh Balsekar. http://www.wie.org/j20/balsekar.asp
[FairfieldLife] Re: Everybody knows God is nonpartisan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/14/07 4:09:51 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And, If you're equating the list above with the KKK, Not at all just the link about Shepherd kid burning in hell. And you might want to read and put in context the rest of it. It's part and parcel, bwana.
[FairfieldLife] RICK -- A FLAMER STRIKES (Re: Hey, Turq)
Rick -- Would you rather I just not send these notices to you? Below is exactly the kind of thing we're all grinding our teeth about. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bronte Baxter brontebaxter8@ wrote: Come on, buddy. I wasn't trying to lecture you. I was trying to answer the well-thought-out arguments you made a few days ago in answer to my post. You objected that day to my phrase, come on, guru fans, I'm ready for the snowballs, so today I changed it to guru enthusiasts, and still seem to have offended you. I don't know if you follow a guru or not, but your post certainly extolled the benefits of being blasted by an enlightened being (most people who blast like that are gurus). Hence the friendly-meant phrase guru fans. Take it easy on me, Turq. I was trying to have some fun tossing a ball back and forth. I enjoy your Paris emails. They're funny and have heart. Why do you have to be so prickly when you aren't soliliquizing? Idiot is off-limits. If you talk to me, I expect respect. If that's too hard, we can agree to ignore each other. I wouldn't bother conversing with Turq. This is nothing unusual for him. He only wants to talk to people who pet his ego which is in so much need of saving. When I first came here he was extremely rude to other people here, nothing has really changed since then. Apart from engaging in never ending slander that fills up FFL, his other contributions are mostly self-absorbed monotonous poorly written monologues. He also has a hatred for women, except for those who are far too young for the old man. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dear Bevan and Dr. Hagelin:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Describe your experience of Kundalini, precisely and unpoetically. OffWorld I've NEVER experienced the awakening of the kundalini! I only know about it theoretically.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dear Bevan and Dr. Hagelin:
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of BillyG. Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 8:08 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dear Bevan and Dr. Hagelin: --- In HYPERLINK mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.comFairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Describe your experience of Kundalini, precisely and unpoetically. OffWorld I've NEVER experienced the awakening of the kundalini! I only know about it theoretically. I haven’t been following this conversation carefully, but might your never having experienced it account for your having a hard time believing that others in the TMO have? By the same token, there are many who have a hard time that people on this board or living in FF are enlightened. I mean, they seem so normal. There are even things about them we might not like. They can’t fly. How could they be enlightened? No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 269.13.19/1008 - Release Date: 9/14/2007 8:59 AM
[FairfieldLife] Re: Love, the Ramtha School and Kundulini
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, brontebaxter8 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How long were you involved in Ramtha? Any other highlights from that association - that you care to share? lurk I studied there for ten years. I left because it got into some weird stuff, like wild drinking as a path to enlightenment. Lurk How did that play out? In the last couple years, I have found a good strong drink on ocassion - two to three days a week helps me deal with highly stressful days. Side effects can include hangover, and dullness, but, for good or bad, it's something I find works. My meditation practice became truncated and then almost absent after the birth of my first child 14 years ago. Yea, he is a adolescent - THIS is a challenge. And he is a GOOD kid. Also because Ramtha was becoming too guru-like for me. I don't know if Ramtha is a real entity who is being channeled or if it's JZ Knight (the channel) acting, but however they pulled it off, they did teach us some pretty amazing things. Lurk: You lasted 10 years. That's a pretty long time. I took a peak at the web site. Didn't really get a feel one way or the other. snip nonattached hold little appeal for me. But that's another topic. Lurk: BTW, you had an awesome post the other day about the Master blasting away attachments, and other stuff. I really enjoyed it, but when I went back to read it again, I couldn't find it. lurk
[FairfieldLife] RICK -- A FLAMER STRIKES (Re: Hey, Turq)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rick -- Would you rather I just not send these notices to you? Below is exactly the kind of thing we're all grinding our teeth about. Rick, the above is exactly the kind of thing we're all grinding our teeth about. OffWorld Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bronte Baxter brontebaxter8@ wrote: Come on, buddy. I wasn't trying to lecture you. I was trying to answer the well-thought-out arguments you made a few days ago in answer to my post. You objected that day to my phrase, come on, guru fans, I'm ready for the snowballs, so today I changed it to guru enthusiasts, and still seem to have offended you. I don't know if you follow a guru or not, but your post certainly extolled the benefits of being blasted by an enlightened being (most people who blast like that are gurus). Hence the friendly-meant phrase guru fans. Take it easy on me, Turq. I was trying to have some fun tossing a ball back and forth. I enjoy your Paris emails. They're funny and have heart. Why do you have to be so prickly when you aren't soliliquizing? Idiot is off-limits. If you talk to me, I expect respect. If that's too hard, we can agree to ignore each other. I wouldn't bother conversing with Turq. This is nothing unusual for him. He only wants to talk to people who pet his ego which is in so much need of saving. When I first came here he was extremely rude to other people here, nothing has really changed since then. Apart from engaging in never ending slander that fills up FFL, his other contributions are mostly self-absorbed monotonous poorly written monologues. He also has a hatred for women, except for those who are far too young for the old man. OffWorld
RE: [FairfieldLife] RICK -- A FLAMER STRIKES (Re: Hey, Turq)
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Duveyoung Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 7:14 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] RICK -- A FLAMER STRIKES (Re: Hey, Turq) Rick -- Would you rather I just not send these notices to you? It’s OK. Below is exactly the kind of thing we're all grinding our teeth about. Edg Putting this in party context, here’s how it went down. Bronte, Turq and Off World have all had a few too many: · Bronte calls Turq a “guru enthusiast” · Turq is rightly offended, but overreacts, calling Bronte and others “idiots.” · Bronte tries to explain but Turq isn’t buying it. · Edg and Rick, who haven’t had as many, try to get Turq to lighten up a bit. · So far, the party guests only sense a bit of tension over in one corner, and haven’t begun fetching their coats. · Off World, being a Scotsman, has had quite a few and plunges into the conversation with a few choice ones, saying Turq o only wants to talk to people who pet his ego which is in so much need of saving. o was extremely rude to other people here, o engages in never ending slander that fills up FFL, o contributes mostly self-absorbed monotonous poorly written monologues. o Has a hatred for women, except for those who are far too young for the old man. · Hmmm. It does seem that he’s attacking the man rather than dealing with the points at hand. · Now the guests are sensing trouble, moving away from that corner of the room, and eyeing escape routes. How will Turq respond? Will he ignore the insults, his proclaimed response to such insults? Will travel fatigue and bad margaritas get the better of him? Can we all just shift to more interesting topics or must we see fisticuffs? · Stay tuned. --- In HYPERLINK mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.comFairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In HYPERLINK mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.comFairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bronte Baxter brontebaxter8@ wrote: Come on, buddy. I wasn't trying to lecture you. I was trying to answer the well-thought-out arguments you made a few days ago in answer to my post. You objected that day to my phrase, come on, guru fans, I'm ready for the snowballs, so today I changed it to guru enthusiasts, and still seem to have offended you. I don't know if you follow a guru or not, but your post certainly extolled the benefits of being blasted by an enlightened being (most people who blast like that are gurus). Hence the friendly-meant phrase guru fans. Take it easy on me, Turq. I was trying to have some fun tossing a ball back and forth. I enjoy your Paris emails. They're funny and have heart. Why do you have to be so prickly when you aren't soliliquizing? Idiot is off-limits. If you talk to me, I expect respect. If that's too hard, we can agree to ignore each other. I wouldn't bother conversing with Turq. This is nothing unusual for him. He only wants to talk to people who pet his ego which is in so much need of saving. When I first came here he was extremely rude to other people here, nothing has really changed since then. Apart from engaging in never ending slander that fills up FFL, his other contributions are mostly self-absorbed monotonous poorly written monologues. He also has a hatred for women, except for those who are far too young for the old man. OffWorld No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 269.13.19/1008 - Release Date: 9/14/2007 8:59 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 269.13.19/1008 - Release Date: 9/14/2007 8:59 AM
RE: [FairfieldLife] RICK -- A FLAMER STRIKES (Re: Hey, Turq)
Rick, this is hysterical. I laughed my head off. Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Duveyoung Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 7:14 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] RICK -- A FLAMER STRIKES (Re: Hey, Turq) Rick -- Would you rather I just not send these notices to you? Its OK. Below is exactly the kind of thing we're all grinding our teeth about. Edg Putting this in party context, heres how it went down. Bronte, Turq and Off World have all had a few too many: · Bronte calls Turq a guru enthusiast · Turq is rightly offended, but overreacts, calling Bronte and others idiots. · Bronte tries to explain but Turq isnt buying it. · Edg and Rick, who havent had as many, try to get Turq to lighten up a bit. · So far, the party guests only sense a bit of tension over in one corner, and havent begun fetching their coats. · Off World, being a Scotsman, has had quite a few and plunges into the conversation with a few choice ones, saying Turq o only wants to talk to people who pet his ego which is in so much need of saving. o was extremely rude to other people here, o engages in never ending slander that fills up FFL, o contributes mostly self-absorbed monotonous poorly written monologues. o Has a hatred for women, except for those who are far too young for the old man. · Hmmm. It does seem that hes attacking the man rather than dealing with the points at hand. · Now the guests are sensing trouble, moving away from that corner of the room, and eyeing escape routes. How will Turq respond? Will he ignore the insults, his proclaimed response to such insults? Will travel fatigue and bad margaritas get the better of him? Can we all just shift to more interesting topics or must we see fisticuffs? · Stay tuned. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bronte Baxter brontebaxter8@ wrote: Come on, buddy. I wasn't trying to lecture you. I was trying to answer the well-thought-out arguments you made a few days ago in answer to my post. You objected that day to my phrase, come on, guru fans, I'm ready for the snowballs, so today I changed it to guru enthusiasts, and still seem to have offended you. I don't know if you follow a guru or not, but your post certainly extolled the benefits of being blasted by an enlightened being (most people who blast like that are gurus). Hence the friendly-meant phrase guru fans. Take it easy on me, Turq. I was trying to have some fun tossing a ball back and forth. I enjoy your Paris emails. They're funny and have heart. Why do you have to be so prickly when you aren't soliliquizing? Idiot is off-limits. If you talk to me, I expect respect. If that's too hard, we can agree to ignore each other. I wouldn't bother conversing with Turq. This is nothing unusual for him. He only wants to talk to people who pet his ego which is in so much need of saving. When I first came here he was extremely rude to other people here, nothing has really changed since then. Apart from engaging in never ending slander that fills up FFL, his other contributions are mostly self-absorbed monotonous poorly written monologues. He also has a hatred for women, except for those who are far too young for the old man. OffWorld No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 269.13.19/1008 - Release Date: 9/14/2007 8:59 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 269.13.19/1008 - Release Date: 9/14/2007 8:59 AM - Don't let your dream ride pass you by.Make it a reality with Yahoo! Autos.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey, Turq
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quite frankly, you haven't said anything yet that interests me. Most of is simple negation. Try posting something positive and I'll see if you've got any chops. Until then, I'll stick with folks here who have proved that they've got something to say. Is that clear enough for you? Turq, I feeled compelled to give you the advice that you once gave to Kirk. Turq, stop complaining that your buttons are getting pushed, and be thankful that someone is pushing them. (or something to that effect, only with better syntax) lurk
[FairfieldLife] Hi, Lurk
Bronte wrote: I studied there for ten years. I left because it got into some weird stuff, like wild drinking as a path to enlightenment. Lurk wrote: How did that play out? Bronte: I didn't stick around to find out first-hand, but I have a number of friends who stayed in the school and went along with the drinking. Two seemed unaffected -- pretty enlightened folks. Two others turned into lushes. One was my hairdresser, and the last time I saw the guy was the day he accidentally dyed my hair bright pink! He had been an alcoholic as a young guy, and drinking in the school got him right back into his unfortunate habit. Lurk: In the last couple years, I have found a good strong drink on ocassion - two to three days a week helps me deal with highly stressful days. Side effects can include hangover, and dullness, but, for good or bad, it's something I find works. Bronte: Yeah, it's relaxing and the sweet drinks taste real good to me, but I'm nervous around the stuff. I think I could like it too much. I have a drink maybe once a year -- about a glass's worth. Lurk: My meditation practice became truncated and then almost absent after the birth of my first child 14 years ago. Yea, he is a adolescent - THIS is a challenge. And he is a GOOD kid. Bronte: You're lucky. I have no kids, but 5 geese, 2 cats and 6 pet bunnies. They are my babies. Also a challenge, but I love them. What is your history, Lurk? I presume you once were into TM? What happened with that and afterwards? Thank you for being polite to me. I feel trust talking to you. Lurk: You lasted 10 years. That's a pretty long time. I took a peak at the web site. Didn't really get a feel one way or the other. Bronte: The best way to get a feel for Ramtha, I think, is to find the white hard-backed book called Ramtha. It is a collection of some of his teachings. They really opened my mind when I first encountered them, like Maharishi did in the beginning. Lurk: BTW, you had an awesome post the other day about the Master blasting away attachments, and other stuff. I really enjoyed it, but when I went back to read it again, I couldn't find it. Bronte: I continued with that idea today in a post, but it seems to have pissed people off or bored them. Oh well. I am who I am and we all attract into conversation or friendship the folks we resonate with. That other post you mentioned was in the Spirituality and (Something or Other) thread -- I can't remember the exact title. I love to debate about this kind of stuff. It sharpens my mind and helps me look deeper into the nature of reality. But not many people like to play ball with something this big. I think it feels threatening. - Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Close encounters of the Advaita kind.
While Ramesh is not my favorite Advaitin, Andrew Cohen is just a plain old asshole regardless of his Realization. Every article written in his What is Enlightenment magazine reeks with his narcissistic arrogance. All his toadies are brainwashed to view him as the ultimate guru. What a dick wad he is! --- tertonzeno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The euphoric nihilism of Ramesh Balsekar. http://www.wie.org/j20/balsekar.asp To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. http://travel.yahoo.com/
[FairfieldLife] Sarlo on the Advaita disease
Have you got it yet? http://www.globalserve.net/~sarlo/Ysatsang.htm
[FairfieldLife] Doin' the Leela
from the Satyam Nadeen website: DO'IN THE LEELA I'm not source, but object not doer, but player It's all so laughable. I'm God presence frolicking the leela Wrong or right is the melody good, bad, beautiful, and ugly are the versus And the beat goes on! I see souls not roles eternal companions changing partners as we doe se doe to the plan. I once saw lack now I see the Kingdom of God, I am that. Dancing the leela just sway to the rhythm clap the beat and scream, I am original innocence. --Kolika
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dear Bevan and Dr. Hagelin:
--- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of BillyG. Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 8:08 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dear Bevan and Dr. Hagelin: --- In HYPERLINK mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.comFairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Describe your experience of Kundalini, precisely and unpoetically. OffWorld I've NEVER experienced the awakening of the kundalini! I only know about it theoretically. I havent been following this conversation carefully, but might your never having experienced it account for your having a hard time believing that others in the TMO have? By the same token, there are many who have a hard time that people on this board or living in FF are enlightened. I mean, they seem so normal. There are even things about them we might not like. They cant fly. How could they be enlightened? How about those who can fly and are unenlightened? No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 269.13.19/1008 - Release Date: 9/14/2007 8:59 AM Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mailp=summer+activities+for+kidscs=bz
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dear Bevan and Dr. Hagelin:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've NEVER experienced the awakening of the kundalini! I only know about it theoretically. I haven't been following this conversation carefully, but might your never having experienced it account for your having a hard time believing that others in the TMO have? Yes, a lot! After 38 years I haven't, plus I still haven't heard from anyone here that has, and you haven't offered anything or anybody that has even claimed it!! Like, I have a hard time believing, but believing whom? Once is good, but would hardly qualify as functioning from the home of ALL the laws of nature. Have you raised your serpent fire, and if so, more than once? By the same token, there are many who have a hard time that people on this board or living in FF are enlightened. I mean, they seem so normal. There are even things about them we might not like. They can't fly. How could they be enlightened? So are they enlightened? And how do you, would you know? Has anyone at FF claimed they were Enlightened, and if so, how many? Just one?
[FairfieldLife] RICK -- A FLAMER STRIKES (Re: Hey, Turq)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Duveyoung Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 7:14 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] RICK -- A FLAMER STRIKES (Re: Hey, Turq) Rick -- Would you rather I just not send these notices to you? It's OK. Below is exactly the kind of thing we're all grinding our teeth about. Edg Putting this in party context, here's how it went down. Bronte, Turq and Off World have all had a few too many: · Bronte calls Turq a guru enthusiast · Turq is rightly offended, but overreacts, calling Bronte and others idiots. · Bronte tries to explain but Turq isn't buying it. · Edg and Rick, who haven't had as many, try to get Turq to lighten up a bit. · So far, the party guests only sense a bit of tension over in one corner, and haven't begun fetching their coats. · Off World, being a Scotsman, has had quite a few and plunges into the conversation with a few choice ones, saying Turq o only wants to talk to people who pet his ego which is in so much need of saving. o was extremely rude to other people here, o engages in never ending slander that fills up FFL, o contributes mostly self-absorbed monotonous poorly written monologues. o Has a hatred for women, except for those who are far too young for the old man. · Hmmm. It does seem that he's attacking the man rather than dealing with the points at hand. All true, except I hadn't had anything to drink. Just wait till I down these couple of pints of the ol' thumper ! Apart from that I am just emulating the style I learned from Turq. Attack the person, not the argument. In addition, I have no argument with Turq...mostly because he has no rationality, therefore how can one engage in argument. It is a waste of time. OffWorld · Now the guests are sensing trouble, moving away from that corner of the room, and eyeing escape routes. How will Turq respond? Will he ignore the insults, his proclaimed response to such insults? Will travel fatigue and bad margaritas get the better of him? Can we all just shift to more interesting topics or must we see fisticuffs? · Stay tuned. --- In HYPERLINK mailto:FairfieldLife% 40yahoogroups.comFairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In HYPERLINK mailto:FairfieldLife% 40yahoogroups.comFairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bronte Baxter brontebaxter8@ wrote: Come on, buddy. I wasn't trying to lecture you. I was trying to answer the well-thought-out arguments you made a few days ago in answer to my post. You objected that day to my phrase, come on, guru fans, I'm ready for the snowballs, so today I changed it to guru enthusiasts, and still seem to have offended you. I don't know if you follow a guru or not, but your post certainly extolled the benefits of being blasted by an enlightened being (most people who blast like that are gurus). Hence the friendly-meant phrase guru fans. Take it easy on me, Turq. I was trying to have some fun tossing a ball back and forth. I enjoy your Paris emails. They're funny and have heart. Why do you have to be so prickly when you aren't soliliquizing? Idiot is off-limits. If you talk to me, I expect respect. If that's too hard, we can agree to ignore each other. I wouldn't bother conversing with Turq. This is nothing unusual for him. He only wants to talk to people who pet his ego which is in so much need of saving. When I first came here he was extremely rude to other people here, nothing has really changed since then. Apart from engaging in never ending slander that fills up FFL, his other contributions are mostly self-absorbed monotonous poorly written monologues. He also has a hatred for women, except for those who are far too young for the old man. OffWorld No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 269.13.19/1008 - Release Date: 9/14/2007 8:59 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 269.13.19/1008 - Release Date: 9/14/2007 8:59 AM
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi, Lurk
Bronte: What is your history, Lurk? I presume you once were into TM? What happened with that and afterwards? Thank you for being polite to me. I feel trust talking to you. Lurk: 51 now. Grad H.S. '74. Took SCI, TTC, 6 month course and extension by '77. Taught full time, MIU, in between. Graduated MIU in '81, joined family business (small business, fairly solid) in '81, still there. Married non ru, conservative, Catholic gal in '91 (strong hand of fate felt here). First child - boy in '93, second boy in '96, girl in '97. Did group program at center until first child born, then found increasing charm in Daddy role. Felt a demagnication with TMO and starting seeing the man behind the curtain in TMO and other things. Have my best experiences now with eyes open, interacting with people, and observing life to some extent from the quantum point of view. Dabbled in some different schools after MIU, but now really lost desire to dabble in or read about spiritual stuff - the ol being here now type of thing. lurk - Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi, Lurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bronte: What is your history, Lurk? I presume you once were into TM? What happened with that and afterwards? Thank you for being polite to me. I feel trust talking to you. Lurk: 51 now. Grad H.S. '74. Took SCI, TTC, 6 month course and extension by '77. Taught full time, MIU, in between. Graduated MIU in '81, joined family business (small business, fairly solid) in '81, still there. Married non ru, conservative, Catholic gal in '91 (strong hand of fate felt here). First child - boy in '93, second boy in '96, girl in '97. Did group program at center until first child born, then found increasing charm in Daddy role. Felt a demagnication with TMO and starting seeing the man behind the curtain in TMO and other things. Have my best experiences now with eyes open, interacting with people, and observing life to some extent from the quantum point of view. Dabbled in some different schools after MIU, but now really lost desire to dabble in or read about spiritual stuff - the ol being here now type of thing. And what could be better than that. Right on. OffWorld lurk - Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Correlation length and YF
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, matrixmonitor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --I love it: Mahareeshee talk. (unfortunately for outsiders - - w.t.f.??.) Loved your book: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/14/books/14book.html
RE: [FairfieldLife] RICK -- A FLAMER STRIKES (Re: Hey, Turq)
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of off_world_beings Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 11:06 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] RICK -- A FLAMER STRIKES (Re: Hey, Turq) Apart from that I am just emulating the style I learned from Turq. Attack the person, not the argument. Many here have done that, but we’re trying to get away from that sort of thing. If we can do it, I think it will improve FFL considerably. So please be a sport and give it a try. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 269.13.19/1008 - Release Date: 9/14/2007 8:59 AM
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi, Lurk
Lurk: snip ... - the ol being here now type of thing. OffWorld: And what could be better than that. Right on. Thanks. lurk - Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online.
[FairfieldLife] RICK -- A FLAMER STRIKES (Re: Hey, Turq)
Apart from that I am just emulating the style I learned from Turq. Attack the person, not the argument. Why not try the Burl Ives philosophy, watch the donut, not the hole lurk
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dear Bevan and Dr. Hagelin:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: I've NEVER experienced the awakening of the kundalini! I only know about it theoretically. I haven't been following this conversation carefully, but might your never having experienced it account for your having a hard time believing that others in the TMO have? Yes, a lot! After 38 years I haven't, plus I still haven't heard from anyone here that has, and you haven't offered anything or anybody that has even claimed it!! Like, I have a hard time believing, but believing whom? Once is good, but would hardly qualify as functioning from the home of ALL the laws of nature. Have you raised your serpent fire, and if so, more than once? Yes, but it is not a serpent. That is another misnomer of the theorists. It is a purifying fire that will burn you alive, and there will be nothing left of you. It has the power to completely change the brain and body in short time. Overnight. And you will forget about chakras. One day all humans will experience this and it will seem like Armageddon to them. The whole planet will go insane because they have no understanding of this. It will be planetwide and it will be a force that engulfs all humans. But what happens in the realm of matter will not be important since the transformation will occur completely, and the old self will be gone. History will be gone. You will die, and be re-born entirley as a completely new being. This is a natural flowering of the now pregnant Earth. She is pregnant and she is about to give birth. There will be much birthing pain, but the newborn baby will wipe all that from memory. Kundalini will purify your brain as if someone took a hot poker and seered it into your brain, but there will be no pain, only bliss. However, there will be much fear and anguish among those who have not already had the experience, and have not acknowledged its frightening power, and therefore can face into the bright searing light and accept the fear. This will happen within the next 5 years planetwide. OffWorld By the same token, there are many who have a hard time that people on this board or living in FF are enlightened. I mean, they seem so normal. There are even things about them we might not like. They can't fly. How could they be enlightened? So are they enlightened? And how do you, would you know? Has anyone at FF claimed they were Enlightened, and if so, how many? Just one?
[FairfieldLife] RICK -- A FLAMER STRIKES (Re: Hey, Turq)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of off_world_beings Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 11:06 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] RICK -- A FLAMER STRIKES (Re: Hey, Turq) Apart from that I am just emulating the style I learned from Turq. Attack the person, not the argument. Many here have done that, but we're trying to get away from that sort of thing. If we can do it, I think it will improve FFL considerably. So please be a sport and give it a try. Ok, but I did not say anything wrong. The worst part was merely repeating something Turq told the whole group. Anyways, don't worry Rick, Turq never reads my posts. He's too busy preening. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: Desperado
I was there in Paris four years ago, passed by the University of Paris, Sorbonne and bought a tshirt, then took some pictures of Jardin de Luxombourg. These were all in the Latin Quarter, I believe. I wish I knew more French words though. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So where did I wind up on a Friday night in Paris? Sitting at a really bad Mexican restaurant in the Latin Quarter, eating one of the worst tostadas I've ever had, drinking one of the worst margaritas I've ever had, but chasing it down with a not-half-bad Reposado. So why here? Simple. It has a window table, where I can sit and watch the people walking by. Even better, this table has an electical outlet next to it. Power plugs near the tables are scarcer in France than hen's teeth. And, to top it off, the restaurant has a not-half-bad mariachi band. The guys in the band know me, because I used to sit and write here when I lived in Paris, and whenever I come in they come to my table and sing me songs from the soundtrack of the film Desperado. It's one of my favorite films, the second by that enfant térrible of the cinema from Austin, Texas, Rodriguez. He's one of my favorite directors because of his ability to juxtapose seemingly incompatible elements in his films. Action and romance. Fear and side-splitting humor. His DVDs reveal his True Inner Nature, because on each of them he includes one of his Ten Minute Film School clips, with the clear intent of inspiring young filmmakers around the world to do what he did, and turn their cheap HD video- cams and computers into full-fledged film careers. Desperado was the bigger-budget sequel to Rodriguez's first film, El Mariachi. That first film was made on a budget of -- no shit -- 7000 dollars. He planned to shoot it and move it direct to video in Mexico to raise money for a real movie. Instead, someone entered it at the Sundance Film Festival, and history was made. I think it won the Audience Prize, and some studio offered him the chance to make a sequel. He did, in Desperado, cementing his career as a bankable director, and taking along with him on the road to stardom Antonio Banderas and Salma Hayek, both of whom were relatively unknown in the US until then. To this day, both of these now major stars will go out of their way to do bit parts in Rodriguez's films -- partly because they feel they owe him a Big One, but also because people have FUN working on his movies. He's lighthearted, and creative, and open to feedback from and improvisation by his actors. He shoots in HD, on video, so the cost of film stock is not a concern for him. Between takes, as he steps out from behind the camera to interact with his actors, he keeps the camera rolling. And some of the best moments in his films have been caught before he got back to the camera, with the actors just bouncing off of one another, thinking they were off camera. This restaurant is not terrribly Rodriguez-like. If it were, Bad Guys would have whipped out submachine guns and knives and done in most of the crowd by now. The whole restaurant would be awash with blood and gore. Only the bartender and I would have survived. (You'll get this in-joke only if you're also a fan of his movies.) But it's still pretty neat being here tonight, recharging my batteries (both computer and mental) before venturing forth to new adventures. In Desperado, the hero's guitar case is really full of guns, with which he does his real performing. Mine contains a laptop, on which I write shit like this at cafes and restaurants like this. Both of us are pretty weird by society's standards, but damned if we don't seem to be having more more FUN with life than many of the people around us who are carrying Gucci and Chanel bags and believing that others should be impressed by them.
