[FairfieldLife] Re: Heather on Conan!

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 Just saw Heather Graham on Conan. (We are
 a couple of days behind here in Eastern
 Scandinavia.) She looked very lovely and girlish, 
 but her constant, almost hysterical giggling was 
 a tad bit disturbing...

It's just the mindlessness that comes from
being enlightened.

You'll get more used to it as the full Sat
Yuga unfolds.

:-)

But trust me...even then the Heathers of this 
world are going to go for the Bad Boys like me 
and Curtis.

And even if they don't, and most of the women 
turn into prissified, sari-wearing simulaca who
actually prefer Bevan The Wonder Beach Ball to
us, we'll get by. I'm sure that among the Space
Brothers there will be one or two Space Sisters 
who are still lookin' for a good time...  :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: DS responds to response to Rick Archer RE: Enlightenment

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 **Here is one excerpt from my gurus writtings:
 
 As Ramana melted within Arunachala
 obedient and surrendered and never did
 he leave his Guru's side. He came amidst all
 obstacles and Surrendered to it's wisdom
 as Shiva. He stayed once home without ever
 a thought of leaving.

Ron,

As sweet as you seem to be, and as inspired as
you obviously are by your new path, this is all 
starting to get really repetitive and tiresome 
and well, somebody's got to say so.

You seem to get a bit compulsive with your post-
ing whenever anyone around here suggests that
one doesn't need a guru. You launch into post
after post after post after post telling us what
my guru and Ramana and any other authority 
figure you can think of says about such things.

Give it a rest already.

The person who needs a guru is YOU, dude. You
can't say two sentences without invoking the holy
words My guru says... in front of some sentence. 
And frankly, if you are the *product* of finding 
a guru, I want nothing to do with it.

I kinda prefer having my *own* thoughts, and 
being able to answer someone's questions with my
*own* words, and making my *own* decisions about
my life and my path through it.

Your guru has, as far as I can tell, turned you
into a Class-A wuss who is now terrified to think
for himself. You really *can't* do anything but
repeat her words ad nauseum to other people, seem-
ingly hoping to convince them to join you on the
Path Of Being Unable To Think For Oneself.

I honestly don't think you're going to find very 
many takers for this sales spiel here. All we
have to do to measure its worth is watch how
distraught and defensive you get whenever anyone
suggests that someone may have realized their
enlightenment *without* a guru, or that someone
is even doing well without a guru. Dude, to be
honest, that says more about *your* needs than
it does any universal need for a guru.

You've been sold a bill of goods. You've been
told that you need someone's guidance to find
who you really are, and who you always already
have been all your life.

You post here about how Maharishi couldn't poss-
ibly be enlightened because he feels restricted
if he's not safely inside a S-V building. Well,
dude, it really seems to me that you feel awfully
restricted unless you're safely inside the aura
of some guru telling you what to do and what to
think at all times.

If that gets you off, more power to you and I 
wish you well on your Way. But I don't think it's
going to lead you where you think it will. I've
watched your language over the last few months 
become *more and more* dependent on your guru, 
and *less and less* able to express anything that
sounds like someone I'd like to get to know. Much
less buy anything from. 

So don't *sell* so hard, man. In the world of
spiritual teaching, the brochure one uses to
sell with is *oneself* -- how one thinks and acts
and speaks. Your brochure consistently shows
someone who has almost entirely lost the ability
to think for himself, and who has been reduced
to prefacing almost everything he says with, My
guru says... While I understand that you may see
this as a positive thing, I'm not sure that you
understand that others here may not see it that
way.

Whatever. Continue doing your thing, and being
a missionary for your guru, if that gets you off.
But y'know...if after a few more months or years
of this you find that the savages you're preaching 
to haven't been flocking to buy what you're selling,
you might give some thought to reworking the sales
brochure. 

[FairfieldLife] Govenors are millionaires now

[george_deforest]

from Benjamin Feldman on Global Good News at

http://globalgoodnews.com/world-peace-a.html?art=119091157193289

What is necessary now, said Dr Feldman, is to 
organize the activities of the Governors 
[teachers of the Transcendental Meditation Programme], 
the Directors of the global administration 
of Maharaja Nader Raam's treasury.

Maharaja Nader Raam's treasury seems to be 
bubbling up to proclaim millionaireship 
to the honourable directors that are upholding 
the activity of the global administration of invincibility 
for every nation Dr Feldman said.

... immediately following the auspicious celebration 
of Vijaya Dashami, Victory Day in the Vedic calendar [in October], 
Dr Feldman would like them to have one week of rejuvenation 
through Maharishi Ayur-Veda Panchakarma, as the starting of 
the next month of activity from the level of millionaireship.

Having had one week of Panchakarma, the Directors 
will launch their responsibility on the level of millionaireship 
from a very fresh level in their own physiology 
and consciousness said Dr Feldman.

... today is the time this celebration inspires 
the treasury of Maharaja Nader Raam to announce that 
the coming month is the preparatory month for 
the Directors of the global administration to 
begin to behave like millionaires from the following month.

With this bubbling up of the treasury of Maharaja Nader Raam 
for the millionaireship of the Governors, Sidhas [Yogic Flyers], 
the Directors of global administration of invincibility 
to every nation, we offer our gratitude.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Govenors are millionaires now

[MDixon6569]

 
In a message dated 9/29/07 2:20:00 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Having  had one week of Panchakarma, the Directors 
will launch their  responsibility on the level of millionaireship 
from a very fresh level in  their own physiology 
and consciousness said Dr Feldman.

... today  is the time this celebration inspires 
the treasury of Maharaja Nader Raam  to announce that 
the coming month is the preparatory month for 
the  Directors of the global administration to 
begin to behave like  millionaires from the following month.



OK Governors, start applying for all those extra credit  cards!:)



** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

[FairfieldLife] Paul and Ringo in Liverpool?

[cardemaister]

http://www.iltasanomat.fi/videot/?cat=3id=1440428ap=1

[FairfieldLife] Re: DS responds to response to Rick Archer RE: Enlightenment

[Ron]

Well, in my path, could be one goes through hell first, even more so with 
certain 
conditionings coming in such as this- could be- and here it is in my brochure 
just for you. 
With that preface, I extend an invitation to you, and maybe it is hell anyway, 
it is venturing 
into the unknown and you are not going to get any promises here of 
enlightenment. 

At best, what can be said is one will move along from where they are. Since 
this is the 
kundalini path, what is burried will come to the surface quickly. It may be a 
very difficult 
journey and usually it is before enlightenment.

And yes, as Ramana pointed out, without a Guru, it is a very rare thing that 
one reaches 
enlightenment.

All of the above that I have written is not as nearly attractive as 
organizations that sugar 
coat the delivery, complete with anything from crowns and limosines, with 
rolled out red 
carpets to avatars  born in a rare family with golden  hair.

Bottom line in response to your opinion with the dude with the sales pitch is 
the product 
will never be much appeal to you or like kind but this is known in advance. The 
other side 
to it is my path is not meant to be a big thing. If you would like to write a 
book picking 
apart all the faults and reasons why people should stay away, there will be a 
great 
welcoming and wishing you good luck with the book. Disciples coming present a 
tremendous burden of responsibility to my guru, and as has been stated no 
disciples is 
the preference.

Hridaya Puri

 FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ron sidha7001@ wrote:
 
  **Here is one excerpt from my gurus writtings:
  
  As Ramana melted within Arunachala
  obedient and surrendered and never did
  he leave his Guru's side. He came amidst all
  obstacles and Surrendered to it's wisdom
  as Shiva. He stayed once home without ever
  a thought of leaving.
 
 Ron,
 
 As sweet as you seem to be, and as inspired as
 you obviously are by your new path, this is all 
 starting to get really repetitive and tiresome 
 and well, somebody's got to say so.
 
 You seem to get a bit compulsive with your post-
 ing whenever anyone around here suggests that
 one doesn't need a guru. You launch into post
 after post after post after post telling us what
 my guru and Ramana and any other authority 
 figure you can think of says about such things.
 
 Give it a rest already.
 
 The person who needs a guru is YOU, dude. You
 can't say two sentences without invoking the holy
 words My guru says... in front of some sentence. 
 And frankly, if you are the *product* of finding 
 a guru, I want nothing to do with it.
 
 I kinda prefer having my *own* thoughts, and 
 being able to answer someone's questions with my
 *own* words, and making my *own* decisions about
 my life and my path through it.
 
 Your guru has, as far as I can tell, turned you
 into a Class-A wuss who is now terrified to think
 for himself. You really *can't* do anything but
 repeat her words ad nauseum to other people, seem-
 ingly hoping to convince them to join you on the
 Path Of Being Unable To Think For Oneself.
 
 I honestly don't think you're going to find very 
 many takers for this sales spiel here. All we
 have to do to measure its worth is watch how
 distraught and defensive you get whenever anyone
 suggests that someone may have realized their
 enlightenment *without* a guru, or that someone
 is even doing well without a guru. Dude, to be
 honest, that says more about *your* needs than
 it does any universal need for a guru.
 
 You've been sold a bill of goods. You've been
 told that you need someone's guidance to find
 who you really are, and who you always already
 have been all your life.
 
 You post here about how Maharishi couldn't poss-
 ibly be enlightened because he feels restricted
 if he's not safely inside a S-V building. Well,
 dude, it really seems to me that you feel awfully
 restricted unless you're safely inside the aura
 of some guru telling you what to do and what to
 think at all times.
 
 If that gets you off, more power to you and I 
 wish you well on your Way. But I don't think it's
 going to lead you where you think it will. I've
 watched your language over the last few months 
 become *more and more* dependent on your guru, 
 and *less and less* able to express anything that
 sounds like someone I'd like to get to know. Much
 less buy anything from. 
 
 So don't *sell* so hard, man. In the world of
 spiritual teaching, the brochure one uses to
 sell with is *oneself* -- how one thinks and acts
 and speaks. Your brochure consistently shows
 someone who has almost entirely lost the ability
 to think for himself, and who has been reduced
 to prefacing almost everything he says with, My
 guru says... While I understand that you may see
 this as a positive thing, I'm not sure that you
 understand that others here may not see it that
 way.
 
 Whatever. Continue doing your thing, and 

[FairfieldLife] DS responds to mainstream20016 Re: Abortion

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ 
wrote:
 snip
Therefore advocating anti-abortion laws merely helps abortion to 
  continue. You are COMPLETELY complicit in abortion if you 
advocate 
  anti-abortion as a law because IT WILL NEVER WORK.
  
  Here's how it works:
  Me...and 2 billion other men on the planet will not commit 
violence 
  against women. If you try to stop a woman from having an 
abortion, 
  you are committing violence against her, holding her against her 
will 
  and putting your filthy hands on our women. We will not allow you 
to 
  commit that violence. You will get FUCKING CRUSHED by the 2 
billion 
  or more men on this planet that will not let you, or anyone, put 
your 
  filthy hands upon our women to stop them from having their will. 
  SO WHAT THE FUCK are you going to do about it?
  

 You inflame the argument with your threats. I have no intention of 
physically preventing 
 anyone from doing anything, so back off !  


Good, so now you have stated categorically that you would not make a 
law against abortion, because it cannot be enforced. Period.

That was the purpose of my post. You are now on my side.

Now, people can put the idea of making laws against abortion out of 
the way, and get to the real work on methods that WILL ACTUALLY WORK !


  Women will ALWAYS have the choice, and that is the way it will 
  remain. This is not an option, it cannot be changed. Therefore, 
stop 
  being an accomplice to abortion by trying to enact laws. 
  
 
 What can be changed is how people think. Regarding threats against 
me - I'm just a 
 messenger.  

There were no threats against you. There are threats against anyone 
who unlawfully puts their hands on free women to arrest them. That is 
what you are proposing and it is ugly and shameful. Free women will 
never have the hands of the ignorant put upon them. That is the law 
of the universe. Jai Mahalakshmi.

 
  It is education and a support that will minimize abortion. You 
  contribute to the deaths of the fetuses everday with your 
arguments 
  for laws against it. You are a baby killer because of your 
ignorance 
  of how the world works. Ignorance is no excuse.
  
  
  OffWorld 
  (of Keltic origin, where women were always equal to men, long 
before 
  your ignorant desert tribal cults came out of the middle-east. 
And 
  we, the Kelts will be here long after you drift back into the 
sands.) 

 Equality with men who advocate violence against the innocent is not 
virtuous.  Both 
 women and Kelts have been degraded by your argument.

You are advocating violence against women. You are a baby killer by 
going down this path of legislation, because it will never be 
accepted on this planet...and you know it. This is why I am 
passionate about the issue, because you abortion criminalisers are 
helping to increase the number of abotions by not understanding that 
you WILL NEVER be able to create a law about it that works.

You should admit that, that a law will not work, and then move on and 
talk about other solutions. 

I am advocating education and support and discussion in the situation 
of abortion, so that more babies can be saved. 
Shouting about making it illegal which will NEVER work, only helps 
kill more babies. Anti-abortionists are a baby killers and you are 
advocating violence against women. There are other ways, rather than 
laws, to help minimize abotion in society, but you don't want to take 
that road because you do not care about the fetuses, you only care 
about your ego and your argument. You don't care about the babies. 
That is shameful.

OffWorld

[FairfieldLife] Mainstream is pro-choice

[off_world_beings]

Mainstream supports women having the choice about abortion and not 
legislating it, and he doesn't even know that that is his opinion:

Mainstream:
  I have no intention of
physically preventing anyone from doing anything, so back off ! 

Welcome to the club mainstream.

OffWorld

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mainstream is pro-choice

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 Mainstream supports women having the choice about abortion and not 
 legislating it, and he doesn't even know that that is his opinion:
 
 Mainstream:
   I have no intention of
 physically preventing anyone from doing anything, so back off ! 
 
 Welcome to the club mainstream.

Um, to inject a little reality here... This is
too important an issue to let the pro-choice
side get cluttered up with absurdities. The anti-
choice side is already bad enough.

Laws against abortion do not, of course, result
in physically preventing a woman from having an
abortion. They make it illegal *to perform* an
abortion, which means the crime, if discovered,
can be prosecuted *after the fact*.

But the person who would be prosecuted is the
abortionist, not the woman.

Laws against abortion do make getting one more
difficult, however, because fewer doctors will
be willing to risk prosecution for performing
them.

Stick with your point that campaigns to make
abortion illegal should be ditched in favor of
campaigns to make unwanted pregnancies less
likely.

[FairfieldLife] DS responds to mainstream20016 Re: Abortion

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
 Killing is bad. Advocates of abortion encourage abortion as
 an easy choice, devoid of any concern for the fetus. Yes, the 
 abortion perspective is selfish. Killing for selfish reasons
 is toxic to society.

Are you a pacifist? And do you oppose capital
punishment? How about in vitro fertilization?

[FairfieldLife] Naomi Klein's Shock Doctrine

[Duveyoung]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tag/naomi-kleins-shock-doctrine

Has anyone read this book or know this author from other works?

Seems, from the article, that she's our Joan of Anti-Globalism.

Just this article alone chills my bones with the icy truths I so often
turn my gaze from.  I feel that if I read this book, I'll be
radicalized and get more pro-active than mere voting.

Oh well, what else have I got to do?  I'm just an I, and even though
everything I do is a line on water, I STILL WANT TO DRAW THAT LINE.

However brief the line -- for a heartbeat only maybe -- at least for
that moment, on the other side of the line, clearly will stand the
others, -- the monsters of earth who kill children -- not just before
breakfast, but endlessly, day and night, with bombs, guns, machetes,
jack boots, starvation, thirst and hate.

These monsters have, before the eyes of the world, ground the American
Dream into the evil paste of flesh and mud in the treads of tanks.  We
have never been perfect, oh so far from it, but now they take even our
love-dream of a fair, just, even glorious, nation and try to make us
turn to loving-to-hate anything that the headlines shine a light on,
to have us positively gleeful for the carnage, worshipful of the gore
of innocents splattered on every wall in Bagdad, and to want this
until every last non-American has been murdered for their riches under
their very feet.

Man, this post alone has me steamed -- do I dare read this book?

Edg

[FairfieldLife] DS responds to mainstream20016 Re: Abortion

[TurquoiseB]

I have been carefully staying out of this,
partly because, on the few non-argument-
driven forums I hang out in on the Net,
abortion is a banned issue.

The reason is that, as someone said earlier,
one is either pregnant or one isn't. It's
that kinda issue.

You're either for or against. Like
pregnancy itself, it's tough to find a 
middle ground amongst all the rhetoric.

So, just for something fun to do on a 
sunny afternoon in Sitges after a rain,
with the environment washed clean and my
self feeling similarly so, I think I'll
actually violate a personal rule and
weigh in on the subject. Just this once.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, oneradiantbeing
oneradiantbeing@ wrote:
 
  Mainstream: The wanton disregard of the fetus in determining 
  to abort is incredibly cruel.

Mainstream, have you ever been the guy 
helping a woman to get through an abortion?

From the way you speak, I have to imagine
that you have not. I have, several times. And
none of the fetuses in question had the slight-
est DNA link to my own. I tried to help the 
women through a painful experience because 
they were in pain and I wanted to help, in 
any way I could.

One of the only ways in which I found that I
*could* be helpful was just not to judge.

I'm sorry, but there is just one enormous load
of judgment in your statement above. It's in 
the second and third words of the sentence.

'Wanton disregard' of the fetus? 

How about wanton disregard of the carrier of
the fetus? 

It is *not* as if abortion is an easy decision.
You're trying to make it sound as if it is one.

I'm sorry, but if you had been the shoulder to
cry on for as many women who have made the 
decision to have an abortion as I have, I don't 
think you'd talk the way you did above.

  DS: I believe it's more cruel for a religion or government 
  to abduct the bodily rights of a living individual and 
  force them to reproduce against their will.

The bottom line is actually more sinister than
that. When abortion is banned, the religion or
government in question has abducted the woman's
right to *have* a will.

It's a power game. They're trying to impose 
*their* will on the will of all the women whom
they mistakenly think they govern. Whether it's
a priest or a state governor, it's almost always
a man. And that man is saying to the women he is
supposed to *represent* within a democracy, So
I understand that you think you have a will. I'm 
here to tell you that you don't have one. No matter
what *you* decide about this fetus dwelling within
you, I am here to say -- definitively -- that your
ideas on this matter Just Don't Count. *I* am the
one who gets to decide what is right and what is 
wrong in such matters, not you. Live with it. And
if you don't *like* living with it, please remem-
ber that I have the right [in the near past and,
if some people get their way, in one possible 
future] to throw you in jail / excommunicate you. 
But you do what you think is right. I'll wait.

 If one doesn't want to reproduce, one should prevent pregnancy. 
 There are many convenient ways of preventing pregnancy.

There are many convenient ways of trying. Not 
one of them is foolproof.

Every one of the women I helped get through an
abortion was practicing -- and regularly, without
a single exception -- some purportedly effective 
means of birth control. 

I'm sorry, Mainstream, but you're talkin' like a 
priest or a politician -- and above all, like a 
GUY -- trying your best to make women feel really, 
really, really, really BAD about contemplating an 
abortion, or having had one in the past. And in 
my book, that puts you on a very, very, very, very 
different plane of attention than the women I held 
while they sobbed their way through the experience 
you so blithely call wanton disregard of the fetus.

You have NOTHING to say about it.

It's not your body.

It's not your decision.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mainstream is pro-choice

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ 
 wrote:
 
  Mainstream supports women having the choice about abortion and 
not 
  legislating it, and he doesn't even know that that is his opinion:
  
  Mainstream:
I have no intention of
  physically preventing anyone from doing anything, so back off ! 
  
  Welcome to the club mainstream.
 
 Um, to inject a little reality here... This is
 too important an issue to let the pro-choice
 side get cluttered up with absurdities. The anti-
 choice side is already bad enough.
 
 Laws against abortion do not, of course, result
 in physically preventing a woman from having an
 abortion. They make it illegal *to perform* an
 abortion, which means the crime, if discovered,
 can be prosecuted *after the fact*.
 
 But the person who would be prosecuted is the
 abortionist, not the woman.

Point taken, but abortion can be gottn by anyone, anywhere, anytime. 
With the Pope it is probably illegal in Italy and many Catholic 
countries, but there is plenty of abortion.

Anyone, except the poor, can easily get an abortion. A law is 
discrimination against the poor and against poor regions of the 
country, and there are laws against discrimination. 


 
 Laws against abortion do make getting one more
 difficult, however, because fewer doctors will
 be willing to risk prosecution for performing
 them.
 
 Stick with your point that campaigns to make
 abortion illegal should be ditched in favor of
 campaigns to make unwanted pregnancies less
 likely.


Laws against abortion do not make it more difficult .
That is the whole point.
This is the 21st century. 
This is NOT AMERICA.
This place is called THE WORLD. 

There are even abortion pills, and there will be more and more things 
like this in an age of science.

You cannot stop it by laws. 
My point is that putting attention on making it a law draws energy 
away from more wholesome ways of education, support, and intelligent 
discussion. Therefore those advocating laws against it are complicit 
in killing babies every day, by drawing energy from the real 
solutions. And that is the hypocrisy of the anti-choice people. They 
are only arguing for their ego and fundamentalist cult religions.

OffWorld


.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mainstream is pro-choice

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings 
no_reply@ 
  wrote:
  
   Mainstream supports women having the choice about abortion and 
 not 
   legislating it, and he doesn't even know that that is his 
opinion:
   
   Mainstream:
 I have no intention of
   physically preventing anyone from doing anything, so back off ! 

   
   Welcome to the club mainstream.
  
  Um, to inject a little reality here... This is
  too important an issue to let the pro-choice
  side get cluttered up with absurdities. The anti-
  choice side is already bad enough.
  
  Laws against abortion do not, of course, result
  in physically preventing a woman from having an
  abortion. They make it illegal *to perform* an
  abortion, which means the crime, if discovered,
  can be prosecuted *after the fact*.
  
  But the person who would be prosecuted is the
  abortionist, not the woman.
 
 Point taken, but abortion can be gottn by anyone, anywhere, 
anytime. 
 With the Pope it is probably illegal in Italy and many Catholic 
 countries, but there is plenty of abortion.
 
 Anyone, except the poor, can easily get an abortion. A law is 
 discrimination against the poor and against poor regions of the 
 country, and there are laws against discrimination.

True, but not my point. My point was that
laws against abortion don't physically 
prevent women from getting them (see above),
contrary to what you claimed concerning
mainstream.

  Laws against abortion do make getting one more
  difficult, however, because fewer doctors will
  be willing to risk prosecution for performing
  them.
  
  Stick with your point that campaigns to make
  abortion illegal should be ditched in favor of
  campaigns to make unwanted pregnancies less
  likely.
 
 
 Laws against abortion do not make it more difficult.

Well, yes, they do make it more difficult to
obtain an abortion, for the reason I stated:
there will be fewer people willing to perform
them and risk being prosecuted.

 That is the whole point.
 This is the 21st century. 
 This is NOT AMERICA.
 This place is called THE WORLD. 
 
 There are even abortion pills, and there will be more and more 
things 
 like this in an age of science.
 
 You cannot stop it by laws.

Right.
 
 My point is that putting attention on making it a law draws energy 
 away from more wholesome ways of education, support, and 
intelligent 
 discussion. Therefore those advocating laws against it are 
complicit 
 in killing babies every day, by drawing energy from the real 
 solutions. And that is the hypocrisy of the anti-choice people. 
They 
 are only arguing for their ego and fundamentalist cult religions.

Yes, which is why I said above: Stick with
your point that campaigns to make abortion
illegal should be ditched in favor of campaigns
to make unwanted pregnancies less likely.

Did you even read what I wrote?? Doesn't look
like it.

[FairfieldLife] Ron Paul: the case Against, Part 3

[oneradiantbeing]

Tuesday, June 26, 2007
Ron Paul: the Case Against, Part 3 

Not long ago I said that I wasn't going to defend my assertion that 
Ron Paul is a racist- specifically a white supremacist- until I had 
positive proof in hand.

Well, I'm going forward with that now.

I first found out about this trait of Ron Paul's when I made the 
horrible mistake of buying a copy of The Politically Incorrect Guide 
to American History, a truly noxious mixture of incomplete truths and 
complete lies by Dr. Thomas E. Woods, Jr. I bought it without reading 
the reviews or doing any research on Dr. Woods. Had I known that 
Woods was a co-founder of The League of the South, a white 
supremacist group dedicated to the resurrection of the Confederate 
States of America. 

(The Wikipedia article on the League of the South is pretty well 
researched and covers the basic points about the organization; the 
article on Woods, however, reads more like an advertisement for his 
works.)

I posted a scathing review of the book (look to bottom of page) and 
was promptly counterattacked by numerous supporters of Woods. I was 
shocked when I saw that one of those supporters was Ron Paul. I was 
further shocked to read, in Paul's review and related writings, that 
Paul supported the efforts of the League of the South to defend the 
unique culture of the Southern states. 

The unique culture the League of the South seeks to preserve is white 
supremacy and racial purity. 

Unfortunately, I lost my bookmark of that statement, and I've yet to 
rediscover it. Instead, I've had to rely on scraps and snippets 
regarding Ron Paul's frequent writing for The Southern Caucus, his 
frequent speaking engagements in front of the League of the South and 
other secessionist and/or white supremacist groups, and his 
endorsement by Stormfront and other white supremacist or Klan-
associated groups.

All of this, of course, is guilt by association, as was Michelle 
Malkin's accusation that the presence of 9/11 conspiracy theorists at 
Ron Paul rallies meant that Ron Paul himself was a conspiracy 
theorist. Still... it's a LOT of association.

About the one semi-solid thing I have in hand at present is Ron 
Paul's newsletter, Freedom Watch, which has run more or less 
continually for over twenty years. Some of the most egregious items 
came to light in Paul's 1996 race, as reported by the Houston 
Chronicle:

If you have ever been robbed by a black teen-aged male, you know how 
unbelievably fleet-footed they can be.

Opinion polls consistently show that only about 5 percent of blacks 
have sensible political opinions, i.e., support the free market, 
individual liberty and the end of welfare and affirmative action.

Politically sensible blacks are outnumbered as decent people... I 
think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in that 
city [Washington] are semi-criminal or entirely criminal.

We don't think a child of 13 should be held responsible as a man of 
23. That's true for most people, but black males age 13 who have been 
raised on the streets and who have joined criminal gangs are as big, 
strong, tough, scary and culpable as any adult and should be treated 
as such.

By far the most powerful lobby in Washington of the bad sort is the 
Israeli government and that the goal of the Zionist movement is to 
stifle criticism.

Another, even more noxious article in response to the Rodney King 
race riots of 1992, is the first article archived here at the Nikzor 
Project.

Selected quotes:

We now know that we are under assault from
thugs and revolutionaries who hate Euro-American civilization and
everything it stands for: private property, material success for 
those who earn it, and Christian morality. . . .

The black leadership indoctrinates its followers with phony history 
and phony theory to bolster its claims of victimology. Like the 
communists who renounced all that was bourgeois, the blacks reject 
all that is Eurocentric. They demand their own kind of thinking, 
and deny the possibility of non-blacks understanding it. . . .

Regardless of what the media tell us, most white Americans are not
going to believe that they are at fault for what blacks have done to 
cities across America. The professional blacks may have cowed the 
elites, but good sense survives at the grass roots. Many more are 
going to have difficultly avoiding the belief that our country is 
being destroyed by a group of actual and potential terrorists -- and 
they can be identified by the color of their skin. This conclusion 
may not be entirely fair, but it is, for many, entirely 
unavoidable. . . .

Perhaps the L.A. experience should not be surprising. The riots,
burning, looting, and murders are only a continuation of 30 years of 
racial politics. The looting in L.A. was the welfare state without 
the voting booth. The elite have sent one message to black America 
for 30 years: you are entitled to something for nothing. That's what 
blacks got on the streets of L.A. 

[FairfieldLife] Abortion pill question?

[off_world_beings]

Abortion pill question:

Even my mother and other Mother-Earth feminists in scotland spoke of 
ancient knowledge among the people (keltic) of natural ways to induce 
abortion that women had used for thousands of years, and there were 
numerous methods that do not require the intervention of a specialist.

Now there are already abortion pills, and there will be more and more 
of this kind of thing in an age of science. 

Therefore, a law against abortion (which Authfriend pointed out would 
put only the doctors in jail) would have no effect, because women do 
not need a doctor, only a pill or numerous other methods.

So in the 21st century when it will become easier and easier for 
women to get more and more effective pills, how the the anti-
abortionists intend to deal with it?

The whole point is, that IT IS A WOMANS'S CHOICE WETHER YOU LIKE IT 
OR NOT. That is the reality. It has been for thousands of years among 
the Kelts and other cultures, and it will continue to be a free 
woman's choice.

OffWorld

[FairfieldLife] The Ron Paul that Ron Paul doesn't want you to know

[oneradiantbeing]

The Ron Paul that Ron Paul doesn't want you to know (Greens have 2nd 
thoughts) http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-gop/1902088/posts

Georgia Green Party | May 25, 2007 | Richard Searcy

Posted on 09/25/2007 4:28:04 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Republican Presidential candidate Congressman Ron Paul is making a 
name for himself by emerging as an antiwar republican in the 2008 
race for the White House. While those of us who oppose the mindless 
war in Iraq welcome all voices of opposition, there are some 
troubling questions arising about Mr. Paul. 

Paul has been consistent in his opposition to the war, but he hasn't 
been very vocal or visible about that opposition. Most Americans knew 
nothing about Mr. Paul before this election season or had no idea 
that such an animal as an antiwar republican even existed. Where was 
he years ago when his voice of opposition would not only have been 
more appreciated, it would have been much more beneficial to this 
nation, before being antiwar was popular and carried far more 
political risks. 

Being that he's an antiwar republican, which makes him somewhat of an 
anomaly, surely he could have found and exploited opportunities to be 
more vocal and visible with his stance. There were other politicians 
such as, Cynthia McKinney, Paul Wellstone, Dennis Kucinich, Ralph 
Nader, and others who were known for their opposition to the war. Why 
didn't Mr. Paul stand with any of them? Why didn't he appear at 
antiwar demonstrations or stand with other non-politicians who were 
against the war? 

Even more troubling than his obscurity, is his past comments on 
racial minorities and his association with the John Birch Society. 
Paul is the only congressperson to receive a 100% approval rating 
from the Birchers. His MySpace links directly to the John Birch 
Society. 

He has also been attributed to comments such as these which appeared 
in his newsletter, the Ron Paul Survival Report: 

If you have ever been robbed by a black teen-aged male, you know how 
unbelievably fleet-footed they can be. 

Opinion polls consistently show that only about 5 percent of blacks 
have sensible political opinions, i.e. support the free market, 
individual liberty and the end of welfare and affirmative action 

Given the inefficiencies of what D.C. laughingly calls the `criminal 
justice system,' I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the 
black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal 

We don't think a child of 13 should be held responsible as a man of 
23. That's true for most people, but black males age 13 who have been 
raised on the streets and who have joined criminal gangs are as big, 
strong, tough, scary and culpable as any adult and should be treated 
as such. 

We are constantly told that it is evil to be afraid of black men, it 
is hardly irrational. Black men commit murders, rapes, robberies, 
muggings and burglaries all out of proportion to their numbers. 

He called former U.S. representative Barbara Jordan a fraud and 
a half-educated victimologist. 

Paul also claimed that former President Bill Clinton not only 
fathered illegitimate children, but, that he also used cocaine 
which would explain certain mysteries about the president's 
scratchy voice. He said, None of this is conclusive, of course, but 
it sure is interesting, When challenged on those remarks he blamed 
them on an aide that supposedly wrote them for his newsletter over a 
period of years. Are we to assume that he hadn't read his own 
newsletter? 

His newsletter with his name on it 

When challenged by the NAACP and other civil rights groups for an 
apology for such racist remarks, Paul simply said that his remarks 
about Barbara Jordan related to her stands on affirmative action and 
that his written comments about blacks were in the context 
of current events and statistical reports of the time. He denied 
any racist intent. 

Lock up black children, only black children, but he meant nothing 
racist. Sure. 

It isn't just blacks that Paul has a problem with it's also Asians, 
homosexuals, Jews, women, fornication, gambling, and the stock 
market. 

I have a 13 year-old nephew and I certainly wouldn't want the 
President of the United States trying to convince America that he's 
dangerous simply because he's black and can run fast. 

I believe that the Ron Paul express needs much closer and thorough 
examination before those who champion his antiwar stance jump on-
board.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Ron Paul that Ron Paul doesn't want you to know

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, oneradiantbeing 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The Ron Paul that Ron Paul doesn't want you to know (Greens have 
2nd 
 thoughts) http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-gop/1902088/posts
 
 Georgia Green Party | May 25, 2007 | Richard Searcy
 
 Posted on 09/25/2007 4:28:04 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
 
 Republican Presidential candidate Congressman Ron Paul is making a 
 name for himself by emerging as an antiwar republican in the 2008 
 race for the White House. While those of us who oppose the mindless 
 war in Iraq welcome all voices of opposition, there are some 
 troubling questions arising about Mr. Paul. 
 
 Paul has been consistent in his opposition to the war, but he 
hasn't 
 been very vocal or visible about that opposition. Most Americans 
knew 
 nothing about Mr. Paul before this election season or had no idea 
 that such an animal as an antiwar republican even existed. Where 
was 
 he years ago when his voice of opposition would not only have been 
 more appreciated, it would have been much more beneficial to this 
 nation, before being antiwar was popular and carried far more 
 political risks. 
 
 Being that he's an antiwar republican, which makes him somewhat of 
an 
 anomaly, surely he could have found and exploited opportunities to 
be 
 more vocal and visible with his stance. There were other 
politicians 
 such as, Cynthia McKinney, Paul Wellstone, Dennis Kucinich, Ralph 
 Nader, and others who were known for their opposition to the war. 
Why 
 didn't Mr. Paul stand with any of them? Why didn't he appear at 
 antiwar demonstrations or stand with other non-politicians who were 
 against the war? 

Idiot. He railed against it in Congress before the war, far stronger 
than ANYONE else.

The rest of this rant is like saying Obama is a Muslim 
fundamentalist, and black suprematist.

OffWorld

[FairfieldLife] DS responds to mainstream20016 Re: Abortion

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
 It is *not* as if abortion is an easy decision.
 You're trying to make it sound as if it is one.

Actually, it should be a lot easier than it
often is. A woman shouldn't have to feel
shame and guilt in addition to personal regret,
if indeed she has any (not all women do by any
means).

By emphasizing emotional trauma, you play right
into the hands of the very people who have
done their damndest to *make* it an emotional
trauma.

mainstream has taken the wanton disregard for
the fetus approach, but he could just as easily
have taken the approach that abortion should be
prohibited because it damages women
psychologically.

(Some even claim, falsely, that it increases the
likelihood of breast cancer, which just adds to
the woman's unnecessary emotional distress.)

Abortion isn't a trivial decision by any means,
but it *should not* be emotionally damaging in
any lasting sense. The only reason for it to be
traumatic is if the woman genuinely wanted to
bring the fetus to term.

[FairfieldLife] Aledged enlightened accuse me of spiritual arrogance

[Ron]

I think I have run into more than 20 people in the last 1.5 years claiming 
enlightenment, 
most are self declared in one form or another ( the other is some confusingh 
thing where I 
think they are claiming enlightenment but I have to guess at what it is they 
are claiming). 
Often it is their inner guru in the form of a personalized Guru or something 
like this.

 One on youtube said he was afforded the name jananoff and declared in God 
consciousness by none other than Lord shiva himself

The same one's brother claimed he was declared enlightened by his guru, but 
then in 
closer scrutiny, the Guru only said something to the effect that the disciple 
is progressing, 
then the Guru moved on the mahasamaddhi, and after this, it was in a vision 
that his Guru 
afforded him this title. This guy falslely accused me of practicing witchcraft 
and also being 
a mason.

My opinion is if the vast majority of those I have encountered claiming 
enlightenment were 
to be face to face with a living Sat Guru, they would be advised that there is 
yet further to 
go, there is no me, no ego, no mind rerooting in enlightenment. 

The majority of these people won't hear one word of this, would not come within 
10 feet of 
a Sat Guru (a real one not interested in money, getting disciples, or handing 
out ego 
candy). If they do, it would only be on an equal level and the door would be 
closed for 
hearing one word that suggests there is yet further to go.

Ramana has pointed out that it is a very rare one that will make it without a 
guru. This 
opinion I have is not popular but I frankly don't give a rats ass about 
popularity. It 
wouldn't surprise me that those in the category i mentioned won't even read 
this. 

There is a usefulness to this though in my opinion. My experience with those in 
the 
category I mentioned compared to with those that legitimately are enlightened 
is vastly 
different , the difference between walking away in a lasting clarity compared 
with a 
disharmonious surrounding air of confusion.

It appears the people think they are accessing deeper levels than what is 
taking place, I 
asked my Guru how it is that this can happen. The answer was that the basis for 
it is one 
is now different than they were, so this is thought to be the enlightenment. 
Again, my 
guru said this is why it is very important that there be a one to one 
relationship with the 
living Guru.

And yes, to those who disagree with my opinions, I am very arrogant. I think it 
can be 
understood why this is so.

Hridaya Puri

[FairfieldLife] Men are Delusional about Women's Power

[off_world_beings]

Woman always have had their own social network that is separate from 
men's, in every society and culture. It is laregely hidden from men's 
eyes, when the oppressive regimes get in the way of women's freedoms. 
It is not easy for women to do this, and sometimes more successful, 
sometimes less, but it has been in every culture on the planet since 
the beginnng of time. Women have a natural protective culture that has 
operated within patriarchal societies since before humans were humans. 
Men are deluded if they think they can take away a woman's right to 
choose:

Natural methods of abortion:

http://www.naturalmiscarriage.org/
http://www.sisterzeus.com/

Now check Wikipedia on the History of Abortion
Way too much information to post here.

OffWorld

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Paul: The Radical Right's Man in Washington

[Duveyoung]

Gotta love Ron Paul's anti-government stance across several issues,
but yeah, he's a racist.

Dennis Kucinich anyone?

I am going to be surprised at who I vote for.  I voted for Kerry
despite his flaws just to be sure the Dems got control, but now, I'm
thinking to hell with anyone sucking a lobbiest's cock.  

That would include Clinton, Obama.  I love Obama's vibe, and I love
Clinton's woman's heart potential, but they're in bed with the enemy.  

And here's Dennis with his leprachaun body and boy-voice.  GAWD why
can't our heroes brawy Bruce Willis types?  I'm so ashamed that I want
this.  Smack me someone.

And Ralph Nadar the dessicated, dour, dufus seems more mortician than
leader.

Mike Gravel looks good on paper, but geeze he screams everything and
betrays a wounded heart of a man passed by.  Better off with Dennis
methinks.

Right now, today, I'd vote for Oprah just to watch her go through the
learning curves and having the pleasure of watching all the racist
misogynistist rich white guys pissing in their boots. 

Edg





--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, oneradiantbeing
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 http://adamholland.blogspot.com/2007/08/ron-paul-radical-rights-man-
 in.html
 --
 
 Ron Paul: The Radical Right's Man in Washington
  
 from Daily Kos:
 
 posted last May:
 
 
 THE STRANGE CASE OF LARRY PRATT
 
 In 1996, presidential candidate Pat Buchanan got in hot water when 
 the Center for Public Integrity revealed connections between 
 Buchanan's campaign co-chairman Larry Pratt and Pastor Pete Peters, a 
 leader of the white supremacist Christian Identity movement. Pratt, 
 the executive director of Gun Owners of America, had been a frequent 
 guest at meetings and on radio and television programs hosted by 
 Peters, who inveighed against Talmudic filth as Pratt looked on. On 
 February 15, 1996, Pratt took a leave of absence from the Buchanan 
 campaign, so as to avoid causing a distraction.
 
 The very next day, reported the San Antonio Express-News on February 
 18, Ron Paul distributed a press release touting Pratt's endorsement 
 of Paul's candidacy for the U.S. Congress. Pratt's endorsement of 
 Paul was anything but pro forma; the February 22, 1996 issue of Roll 
 Call noted that Paul and Mike Gunn, a Republican candidate for 
 Congress in Mississippi who had done some work for David Duke in the 
 latter's 1991 Louisiana gubernatorial campaign, were the only two 
 candidates formally endorsed for office that year by Pratt's 
 organization. Paul's opponent in the Republican primary, Rep. Greg 
 Laughlin, called upon Paul to repudiate Pratt; Paul declined to do 
 so, with his spokesman saying that Paul opposed racism but 
 that nothing has been proven against Mr. Pratt. He has denied it. 
 (Pratt's enthusiasm for Paul continues to this day, as this quasi-
 endorsement of Paul's 2008 presidential campaign makes clear.)
 
 THE COMPANY RON PAUL KEEPS
 
 Paul's disinclination to separate himself from the Larry Pratts of 
 the world is part of a pattern that over the last 20 years has seen 
 him snuggling up to some extremely questionable characters on the far 
 right fringe. Like, for example, secessionists, who gathered at a 
 conference in April of 1995 to hear Paul speak about the once and 
 future Republic of Texas. Or the beady-eyed listeners of The 
 Political Cesspool. It's the unofficial radio program of the Council 
 of Conservative Citizens--you know, the repainted White Citizens 
 Council that got Trent Lott into a bit of trouble a few years ago. 
 (Tune in tonight for their special program on the disastrous Brown 
 vs. Topeka Board of Education decision, one which ushered in an era 
 of radical leftist ideology upon the American citizenry.) Paul has 
 been a guest on the program; you'll find him listed under P, right 
 above Prussian Blue, the white supremacist teenage singing duo.
 
 Or the crazy-as-fuck John Birch Society, to which Paul is more than 
 happy to grant the occasional interview and even speak at their 
 dinners (the podcast, I am sorry to report, no longer seems to be 
 available). In fact, Paul is the only member of Congress to receive a 
 perfect 100 from the John Birch Society in its most recent member 
 ratings.
 
 THE KLAN'S MAN IN WASHINGTON
 
 Like many members of Congress, the prolific Paul posts his speeches, 
 columns, and statements on his House Web site. He allows anyone to 
 republish and distribute them, and many do. For example, our old 
 friends the Council of Conservative Citizens occasionally publish 
 Paul in its newsletter, the Citizens Informer (warning: PDF). And 
 then there's David Duke, who can't get enough of Ron Paul; you can 
 find his columns on davidduke.com here and here and here and here and 
 here. If you're more of a dead-tree fan, you can find Paul's thoughts 
 on foreign policy reprinted in the January 2007 issue of the National 
 Times, a white supremacist 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Naomi Klein's Shock Doctrine

[Bhairitu]

Yes I am familiar with her work.  Baghdad Year Zero is a must read:
http://www.harpers.org/archive/2004/09/0080197
and the basis for what I have to say that Iraq is just the testing 
ground for what the NeoCons want to do to America (I have some more 
interesting stuff from a friend visiting DC I'll post later).  But 
beware some people even on this forum want to believe the myth and will 
call you a conspiracy theorist for wanting to get to the bottom of 
things.  They just want to keep taking the blue pill I guess.

Duveyoung wrote:
 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tag/naomi-kleins-shock-doctrine

 Has anyone read this book or know this author from other works?

 Seems, from the article, that she's our Joan of Anti-Globalism.

 Just this article alone chills my bones with the icy truths I so often
 turn my gaze from.  I feel that if I read this book, I'll be
 radicalized and get more pro-active than mere voting.

 Oh well, what else have I got to do?  I'm just an I, and even though
 everything I do is a line on water, I STILL WANT TO DRAW THAT LINE.

 However brief the line -- for a heartbeat only maybe -- at least for
 that moment, on the other side of the line, clearly will stand the
 others, -- the monsters of earth who kill children -- not just before
 breakfast, but endlessly, day and night, with bombs, guns, machetes,
 jack boots, starvation, thirst and hate.

 These monsters have, before the eyes of the world, ground the American
 Dream into the evil paste of flesh and mud in the treads of tanks.  We
 have never been perfect, oh so far from it, but now they take even our
 love-dream of a fair, just, even glorious, nation and try to make us
 turn to loving-to-hate anything that the headlines shine a light on,
 to have us positively gleeful for the carnage, worshipful of the gore
 of innocents splattered on every wall in Bagdad, and to want this
 until every last non-American has been murdered for their riches under
 their very feet.

 Man, this post alone has me steamed -- do I dare read this book?

 Edg


   

Re: [FairfieldLife] Govenors are millionaires now

[Bhairitu]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
 In a message dated 9/29/07 2:20:00 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Having  had one week of Panchakarma, the Directors 
 will launch their  responsibility on the level of millionaireship 
 from a very fresh level in  their own physiology 
 and consciousness said Dr Feldman.

 ... today  is the time this celebration inspires 
 the treasury of Maharaja Nader Raam  to announce that 
 the coming month is the preparatory month for 
 the  Directors of the global administration to 
 begin to behave like  millionaires from the following month.



 OK Governors, start applying for all those extra credit  cards!:)
   
The Raam must be declining faster than the dollar. :)

[FairfieldLife] DS responds to mainstream20016 Re: Abortion

[jim_flanegin]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Equality with men who advocate violence against the innocent is not 
virtuous.  Both 
 women and Kelts have been degraded by your argument.

If abortions were the only so called violence against life, and 
killing on this planet, I'd agree with you 100%. But there's a few 
things I can't get past:

Those that advocate preventing abortion are often the same ones a-ok 
with war. All I can say is, wtf? That's just crazy talk on their part.

Also many women having abortions feel like crap about it, not like 
scoop me out doc, let's go have a latte. Its their bodies and their 
responsibility. What about all those million or so innocent sperm that 
die every time a man ejaculates? which brings me to my final point: 

If someone is advocating not to take the loss of so called innocent 
life, but restricts it to human life or quasi human life, then what 
hypocrisy. Where is the vegan diet, vinyl shoes and belt, and Jain 
face mask to avoid inhaling insects?

Anyway that is the gist of my thinking.:-)

[FairfieldLife] DS responds to mainstream20016 Re: Abortion

[Duveyoung]

Right on, Jimmy!

Thou shall not kill.

Pretty simple to understand, almost impossible to be perfect at.

I'm going to get a half a coconut shell, a diaper and a walking staff.
 Can you imagine the first-person-I-went-up-to's response as I begged
for my daily ration of rice?

It seems just about impossible to be a good person if there's a car in
the garage, an article of clothing in the closet, or even eggs for
breakfast.

I keep searching for the words to turn my life around when I need a
good dose of seeing just one child die in a ditch in Dafur.

Who can claim integrity in today's world?  Only in the poorest places
 might we find such a person.

Who's looking?

Edg

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 
 mainstream20016@ wrote:
  Equality with men who advocate violence against the innocent is not 
 virtuous.  Both 
  women and Kelts have been degraded by your argument.
 
 If abortions were the only so called violence against life, and 
 killing on this planet, I'd agree with you 100%. But there's a few 
 things I can't get past:
 
 Those that advocate preventing abortion are often the same ones a-ok 
 with war. All I can say is, wtf? That's just crazy talk on their part.
 
 Also many women having abortions feel like crap about it, not like 
 scoop me out doc, let's go have a latte. Its their bodies and their 
 responsibility. What about all those million or so innocent sperm that 
 die every time a man ejaculates? which brings me to my final point: 
 
 If someone is advocating not to take the loss of so called innocent 
 life, but restricts it to human life or quasi human life, then what 
 hypocrisy. Where is the vegan diet, vinyl shoes and belt, and Jain 
 face mask to avoid inhaling insects?
 
 Anyway that is the gist of my thinking.:-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: DS responds to response to Rick Archer RE: Enlightenment

[curtisdeltablues]

Turq,

This is $450. an hour advice offered for free. Ron if you can get over
the normal defensive reactions and hear any of this it would be a real
siddhi.  Post of the week for me!


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ron sidha7001@ wrote:
 
  **Here is one excerpt from my gurus writtings:
  
  As Ramana melted within Arunachala
  obedient and surrendered and never did
  he leave his Guru's side. He came amidst all
  obstacles and Surrendered to it's wisdom
  as Shiva. He stayed once home without ever
  a thought of leaving.
 
 Ron,
 
 As sweet as you seem to be, and as inspired as
 you obviously are by your new path, this is all 
 starting to get really repetitive and tiresome 
 and well, somebody's got to say so.
 
 You seem to get a bit compulsive with your post-
 ing whenever anyone around here suggests that
 one doesn't need a guru. You launch into post
 after post after post after post telling us what
 my guru and Ramana and any other authority 
 figure you can think of says about such things.
 
 Give it a rest already.
 
 The person who needs a guru is YOU, dude. You
 can't say two sentences without invoking the holy
 words My guru says... in front of some sentence. 
 And frankly, if you are the *product* of finding 
 a guru, I want nothing to do with it.
 
 I kinda prefer having my *own* thoughts, and 
 being able to answer someone's questions with my
 *own* words, and making my *own* decisions about
 my life and my path through it.
 
 Your guru has, as far as I can tell, turned you
 into a Class-A wuss who is now terrified to think
 for himself. You really *can't* do anything but
 repeat her words ad nauseum to other people, seem-
 ingly hoping to convince them to join you on the
 Path Of Being Unable To Think For Oneself.
 
 I honestly don't think you're going to find very 
 many takers for this sales spiel here. All we
 have to do to measure its worth is watch how
 distraught and defensive you get whenever anyone
 suggests that someone may have realized their
 enlightenment *without* a guru, or that someone
 is even doing well without a guru. Dude, to be
 honest, that says more about *your* needs than
 it does any universal need for a guru.
 
 You've been sold a bill of goods. You've been
 told that you need someone's guidance to find
 who you really are, and who you always already
 have been all your life.
 
 You post here about how Maharishi couldn't poss-
 ibly be enlightened because he feels restricted
 if he's not safely inside a S-V building. Well,
 dude, it really seems to me that you feel awfully
 restricted unless you're safely inside the aura
 of some guru telling you what to do and what to
 think at all times.
 
 If that gets you off, more power to you and I 
 wish you well on your Way. But I don't think it's
 going to lead you where you think it will. I've
 watched your language over the last few months 
 become *more and more* dependent on your guru, 
 and *less and less* able to express anything that
 sounds like someone I'd like to get to know. Much
 less buy anything from. 
 
 So don't *sell* so hard, man. In the world of
 spiritual teaching, the brochure one uses to
 sell with is *oneself* -- how one thinks and acts
 and speaks. Your brochure consistently shows
 someone who has almost entirely lost the ability
 to think for himself, and who has been reduced
 to prefacing almost everything he says with, My
 guru says... While I understand that you may see
 this as a positive thing, I'm not sure that you
 understand that others here may not see it that
 way.
 
 Whatever. Continue doing your thing, and being
 a missionary for your guru, if that gets you off.
 But y'know...if after a few more months or years
 of this you find that the savages you're preaching 
 to haven't been flocking to buy what you're selling,
 you might give some thought to reworking the sales
 brochure.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Amazing young Koran-singer

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 On Sep 25, 2007, at 9:20 AM, authfriend wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
  snip
  Actually Lurk I thought the little boy was quite cute and sang
  beautifully, but for somebody to say they were almost converted
  to Islam on the spot, based  on a cute child, sweet voice and
  luring melody was pretty emotional and lacked  reason.
 
  What lacks reason, MDixon, is that you took my
  obviously wildly hyperbolic comment literally.
 
  Unbelievable.
 
 A perfect example, Judy, of becoming a victim of your 
 own-hyper-vigilance:  I took it exactly the same way MD
 did as well. It didn't sound to me at all like hyperbole,
 the way you phrased it.

But MD claims he knew it *was* hyperbole.

Oopsie!
  
 And, seeing as how you are all for holding everyone's feet
 to the fire to say *exactly* what they mean, I took it at
 face value.

No, that's bullshit, Sal. I never dump on people
for using hyperbole as long as it's clear it's
hyperbole, and I use it myself from time to time.

This was *obviously* hyperbole, humorous hyperbole
at that.

  Of course I 
 found it odd, but without emoticons, it sounded like it might be a 
 possibility, however remote.

snicker That's why you took it at face value,
because you thought it was a remote possibility?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge -- say something true

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
snip
 However, I like it because it reinforces the recognition
 that these Sanskrit words (read Arabic for Houri) are 
 provisional terms, not necessarily fit yet to be 
 reified into English. 
 
 I understand how you, as an editor, might find this mode of 
 presentation to be contra-instinctual for a trained English
 reader. However, rather than just dismissing it, tell me why
 you might find it confusing or irritating.

Well, actually, I did. I said I didn't think it
was called for, i.e., there was no good reason
*for* doing it in an informal forum like this,
where whether these terms are fit yet to be
reified into English isn't at issue, and it made
the text more difficult to read.

As an editor, I think anything about the technical
details of a piece of writing that causes the
reader to go Huh? even for a split second
inhibits communication of the *content* of the
writing; it disturbs the flow and distracts the
reader's attention.

No biggie, and I really wasn't objecting to
your use of the hyphens so much as I was curious
to know why you were using them.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Regarding Judy's Comment on Free Will

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bronte Baxter 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
   Only a rather naive cat, who blindly gives Bronte the status of 
all-knowing perfection, would ignore the evidence around him and 
insist that everything Bronte does is her will and part of a 
perfectly executed plan, way beyond the observer's humble capacity to 
understand. IMO, the Infinite is on a grand adventure. It's working 
to bring into manifest life an incredibly beautiful dream it has, and 
on the way it makes (through us) a damn lot of mistakes. From these 
it learns (through our learning) and does better over time. Thus the 
world is evolving.

But if the mistakes have positive results,
as you suggest, then perhaps they're part
of the perfection.

   But one sure way to slow that evolving is to take the position 
that everything is perfect as it is, and that we have no free will, 
and that surrendering attachment to action and desires allows God to 
act through us. I remember a saying I learned as a kid. God has no 
hands but yours. God has no feet but yours. We have to step up to 
our mission of being divine doers -- dynamic, involved doers --  
not sidestep it with misassumptions that everything is perfect.

If we assume that the mistakes are perfect
as well, why can't we assume that our
dynamic mission is to correct and learn
from them?

   I DID get that you are saying change is part of perfection, and 
that from your point of view people can try to make things better and 
still believe that's everything perfect. But I find that 
contradictory. A person who believes everything's perfect has little 
motivation to work hard for change. She tends to lay back and coast, 
thinking what she does is not very important. She tends to 
be detached. That causes limp intentions, limp actions, and limp 
results. It's why India is such a passive nation, as MMY used to 
label it. Thanks very much to traditional Indian philosophy. 

But what I'm arguing is that if you think what
you do isn't very important, you haven't 
understood the premise that everything is 
perfect. If you really get that change is part
of perfection, there's no basis for detachment
or limp intentions or passivity.

Again: If, as you say, everything is perfect
just as it is, why are we working so hard to
change things?

That too is perfect just as it is.

Part of the confusion here is that the
everything is perfect statement describes the
*experience* of a higher state of consciousness.
It isn't a philosophy or a belief.

In ignorance, where that is not your experience,
you can hold it as a belief, but it has no
implications for behaving any differently than
you would if you believed otherwise.

It's not a statement that carries with it any
imperative. Its only value as a belief, as far
as I can tell, is to keep you from getting so
torn up when your attempts to change things don't
work out that you make yourself ill from the
stress or simply give up.

There's that wonderful teaching from the Gita
about putting everything you've got into your
efforts to accomplish something, but not being
attached to the results. If you fail, instead of
beating yourself up or becoming discouraged, you
turn right around and try something else.

It's a lot easier to learn from your mistakes and
put that learning into practice immediately if
you aren't knocked for a loop by your failures.

In other words, such a belief should have
precisely the opposite effect from the one you
suggest.

If what you're complaining about is that the
everything is perfect statement isn't clearly
explained to include change, then I agree with 
you completely. It shouldn't be taught if it's
taught in a way that encourages passivity, as you
originally suggested:

 One of the conditions of passing through is that you
 accept the world as it is, so when you become an empowered
 master you won't mess up the system that keeps the gods on
 top and the human race underneath. Three things have to
 happen to the aspirant before he is blessed with the Self
 unfolding the Self to itself:

 1) he must come to believe that the world is perfect as
 it is (so he won't want to change anything)
 2) he must come to believe that having desires or
 viewpoints of his own is a bad thing (so he won't want to
 change anything)
 3) he must willingly give up his individuality and even
 his mind (so he won't BE ABLE to change anything)

If that's what's being taught, it's just wrong.
But as I said to start with, every time *I've*
encountered the everything is perfect teaching,
it has included the explanation that change is part
of that perfection, and that it should not inhibit
in the slightest the motivation for dynamic
activity for change.

[FairfieldLife] RE: Ricks enlightened friends

[Jason Spock]

 
   
 Heh Heh, MMY does that to Bevan and Hagelin.
   
 MMY's stamp of approval gives Bevan and the other Caped Clowns a huge ego 
boost.
   
 Maharishi even implies that Rajaram Nader is enlightened.

Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 10:22:43 -0500
Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Ricks enlightened friends
   
   
  I agree with you about “premature claims to enlightenment.” I think they are 
common. If the people I’m referring to were saying “I have reached the pinnacle 
of human evolution” or if they displayed egotism or even if they were setting 
themselves up as gurus, I’d doubt them. All of them have achieved significant 
degrees of awakening, all acknowledge that there’s plenty more growth to 
undergo, not only for themselves but for MMY, Amma, your guru, and any living 
being, no matter how enlightened, and all are living private lives and are not 
inclined to become gurus. If they were, that wouldn’t rule out their 
enlightenment in my estimation, but it would make them suspect of 
ambition-based motives for claiming enlightenment. All of the folks I’m 
referring to have TM backgrounds. A few have branched out into other things. If 
the guru’s stamp of approval were an absolute necessity for realization, no one 
in the TM movement could become realized, because MMY doesn’t do that. You
 can think you are realized yet not be. But if you are realized, you’ll know 
it. Your experience will be sufficient confirmation. And you’ll be the only one 
at your graduation.
   
   

   
-
Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect.  Join Yahoo!'s user panel 
and lay it on us.

[FairfieldLife] Re: To Rick Archer/ On Reciting God's Name

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bronte Baxter [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
snip
   At the start of this thread, you quoted Ramana Maharishi on the 
value of letting His name, the name of a god, not only permeate your 
meditation but every moment of your life, every impulse of your 
thought, the very fabric of consciousness. This is outright possession. 
This is a taking over of your individual consciousness by another 
entity, by the god whose name you repeated. This is not experience of 
Brahman, however they may dress it to be so. 

Funny thing is, this is the same argument fundie
Christians make against mantra meditation, yet it
seems as though in their own devotional practice,
they're just substituting possession by Jesus
for possession by a god.

[FairfieldLife] Re: God Speed Off!

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
snip
 Americans with Scottish blood include Thomas Edison, Samuel Morse, 
 President Jefferson, Edgar Allan Poe, Allan Pinkerton (who founded 
 the Pinkerton Detective Agency), Washington Irving, Whistler and John 
 Paul Jones, just to name a few.  A Scotsman, John Witherspoon, signed 
 the American Declaration of Independence, and was also one of the 
 founders of Princeton.  Robert E. Lee, the famous Civil War general 
 was of Scottish descent and so was Ulysses Grant.  President Monroe's 
 (Munro's) ancestors came from Sutherland.
 
 It goes on ad infinitum.
 America is nothing without the Scots.

On the other hand, my ancestry is one-quarter Scots-Irish,
so it can't be all good.

;-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Thoughts on Ken's Burns The War

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The 14 hour Ken Burn's documentary on World War II
 debuted this week on PBS.  Since 14 hours is quite
 a bit to invest I have been archiving it to watch
 when I have time.  I just completed episode one and
 was struck with something that isn't really covered:
 World War II was about going after three tyrants:
 Hitler, Mussolini and General Tojo who were out to 
 establish empires.  What's left out: how did they
 get there in the first place?  They didn't get their
 on their own.  Who backed them?  Who were the 
 industrialists and bankers who backed them and why?
 The answer so far wasn't in the first episode so it
 will be interesting to see if it is at all in the
 remaining ones.

Unlikely, since exploring the history and
geopolitics of the war was never the focus of this
documentary.

Rather, in the words of Ken Burns and Lynn Novick:

We chose to explore the impact of the war on the
lives of people living in four American towns -- 
Mobile, Alabama; Sacramento, California; Waterbury,
Connecticut; and Luverne, Minnesota.

Our film is...an attempt to describe, through...
eyewitness testimony, what the war was actually
like for those who served on the front lines, in
the places where the killing and the dying took
place, and equally what it was like for their
loved ones back homeWe have tried to illuminate
the intimate, human dimensions of a global
catastrophe that took the lives of between 50 and
60 million peopleto see the universal in the
particular, to understand how the whole country got
caught up in the war; how...people were permanently
transformed; how those who remained at home worked
and worried and grieved in the face of the struggle;
and in the end, how innocent young men who had been
turned into professional killers eventually learned
to live in a world without war.

http://www.pbs.org/thewar/about_letter_from_producers.htm

  In fact the impression I got was that 
 the war was more a failed exercise in trying to
 reduce the world's population dramatically.  And there
 is a section on how they got people in the US to buy
 bonds to finance the war but no answer as to who made 
 all the money off the weapons sales.  That should be
 part of the story too.

Then it would be a very different documentary
with a whole different purpose and approach.

 And isn't it interesting at a time when there is much
 saber rattling over Iran such a documentary should come
 out?

No. They started working on it six years ago.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Paul: The Radical Right's Man in Washington

[Bhairitu]

Duveyoung wrote:
 Gotta love Ron Paul's anti-government stance across several issues,
 but yeah, he's a racist.

 Dennis Kucinich anyone?

 I am going to be surprised at who I vote for.  I voted for Kerry
 despite his flaws just to be sure the Dems got control, but now, I'm
 thinking to hell with anyone sucking a lobbiest's cock.  

 That would include Clinton, Obama.  I love Obama's vibe, and I love
 Clinton's woman's heart potential, but they're in bed with the enemy.  

 And here's Dennis with his leprachaun body and boy-voice.  GAWD why
 can't our heroes brawy Bruce Willis types?  I'm so ashamed that I want
 this.  Smack me someone.

 And Ralph Nadar the dessicated, dour, dufus seems more mortician than
 leader.

 Mike Gravel looks good on paper, but geeze he screams everything and
 betrays a wounded heart of a man passed by.  Better off with Dennis
 methinks.

 Right now, today, I'd vote for Oprah just to watch her go through the
 learning curves and having the pleasure of watching all the racist
 misogynistist rich white guys pissing in their boots. 

 Edg
   
Have you seen Dennis's wife?  :)
http://www.cleveland.com/images/hp/332/kucinich1212b.jpg
http://blog.cleveland.com/earlyedition/beth.jpg

She would definitely make the best looking first lady in ages if maybe ever.

[FairfieldLife] Re: DS responds to response to Rick Archer RE: Enlightenment

[lurkernomore20002000]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

snip
 
 Whatever. Continue doing your thing, and being a missionary for your 
guru, if that gets you off. But y'know...if after a few more months or 
years of this you find that the savages you're preaching to haven't 
been flocking to buy what you're selling, you might give some thought 
to reworking the sales brochure.

Good afternoon reading. I don't know if you were around when Ron was 
in the same pattern defending MMY against the doubters and 
unbelievers.  Good advice.  I wonder if he will give it a listen.

lurk

[FairfieldLife] Re: Kundalini Through The Chakras

[emptybill]

Functionalist Buddhist Tantra or Structuralist Hindu Tantra?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mystical Sadhu
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Does anyone have descriptions of experiences, perceptions resulting
from
 raising the kundalini through the various chakras?

 Classic descriptions as well as personal experiences.

 Thank you,

 Satya

 When Shakyamuni Buddha was at Mount Grdhrakuta, he held up a flower to
his
 listeners. Everyone was silent. Only Mahakashyapa broke into a broad
smile.
 The Buddha said, I have the True Dharma Eye, the Marvelous Mind of
Nirvana,
 the True Form of the Formless, and the Subtle Dharma Gate, independent
of
 words and transmitted beyond doctrine. This I have entrusted to
Mahakashyapa.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Thoughts on Ken's Burns The War

[Bhairitu]

authfriend wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
   In fact the impression I got was that 
   
 the war was more a failed exercise in trying to
 reduce the world's population dramatically.  And there
 is a section on how they got people in the US to buy
 bonds to finance the war but no answer as to who made 
 all the money off the weapons sales.  That should be
 part of the story too.
 

 Then it would be a very different documentary
 with a whole different purpose and approach.
   
But any thinking person watching the documentary will begin to ponder 
how the madmen came to power.  They didn't just do it by themselves.  
Some folks here ought to be asking how MMY became so big too.
   
 And isn't it interesting at a time when there is much
 saber rattling over Iran such a documentary should come
 out?
 

 No. They started working on it six years ago.
   
Yes but that was back in the Saving Private Ryan, Band of Brothers 
and other WWII stuff came out.  What I am saying is that having it on 
now sort of may glorify the idea of war to people but not if people 
watch it since there is a lot of things (as Burn's mentioned last night 
on Bill Maher's show) that people were reluctant to talk about until now.

Maher and Burns talked about sacrifice last night and how we've not 
sacrificed anything for Iraq.  Well first off ask the families who've 
lost loved ones during the Iraqi conquest about that.  Secondly my reply 
is we shouldn't be making any sacrifice as there shouldn't be any war to 
sacrifice for.  That's just the scheme of the crooks in the White House 
and of course their backers.  They're the ones who should be 
sacrificed.  Also we must keep in mind as was pointed out in episode two 
of the series that coming out of a depression WWII was like a big WPA 
project and many jobs opened up for the unemployed.  And also it will be 
interesting to see if they also mention how unemployment went on the 
rise again after the war when those jobs went away.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Kundalini Through The Chakras

[Samadhi Is Much Closer Than You Think -- Really! -- It's A No-Brainer. Who'd've Thunk It?]

Regardless of what one believes, Bill, the kundalini precedes, in the
continuity of the cosmos, such prejudices.  Symptoms of it passing through
the chakras has to do with nonprejudicial experiences.

So, I don't understand the question, sorry.

*Of all that anyone leading or teaching has to convey, the most valuable
thing to cultivate and convey to others is a moral conscience. Only such
persons deserve to lead others, in any capacity. Anything less is a menace
to society.*

*I want every person to be complete in themselves.  Your himsa has no place
in my mission.*


On 9/29/07, emptybill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Functionalist Buddhist Tantra or Structuralist Hindu Tantra?

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mystical Sadhu
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Does anyone have descriptions of experiences, perceptions resulting
 from
  raising the kundalini through the various chakras?
 
  Classic descriptions as well as personal experiences.
 
  Thank you,
 
  Satya
 
  When Shakyamuni Buddha was at Mount Grdhrakuta, he held up a flower to
 his
  listeners. Everyone was silent. Only Mahakashyapa broke into a broad
 smile.
  The Buddha said, I have the True Dharma Eye, the Marvelous Mind of
 Nirvana,
  the True Form of the Formless, and the Subtle Dharma Gate, independent
 of
  words and transmitted beyond doctrine. This I have entrusted to
 Mahakashyapa.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heather on Conan!

[Bhairitu]

TurquoiseB wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 Just saw Heather Graham on Conan. (We are
 a couple of days behind here in Eastern
 Scandinavia.) She looked very lovely and girlish, 
 but her constant, almost hysterical giggling was 
 a tad bit disturbing...
 

 It's just the mindlessness that comes from
 being enlightened.

 You'll get more used to it as the full Sat
 Yuga unfolds.

 :-)

 But trust me...even then the Heathers of this 
 world are going to go for the Bad Boys like me 
 and Curtis.

 And even if they don't, and most of the women 
 turn into prissified, sari-wearing simulaca who
 actually prefer Bevan The Wonder Beach Ball to
 us, we'll get by. I'm sure that among the Space
 Brothers there will be one or two Space Sisters 
 who are still lookin' for a good time...  :-)
Do you get along with actresses?  One shouldn't fall in love with a 
character they play as there own personalities can be totally different. 
Even if one clicked with a big name actress life might be very 
difficult as their career would take a high priority and press would be 
a pain in the butt always following you around.  They probably do 
actually get along better with their own kind than someone out of the 
industry.  I always found it easy being a musician to get along with 
women musicians.   But I also found actors and actresses to be a bit 
quirky and sometimes overly sensitive to get along with.  Still I bet 
Curtis would have a better chance over some non artist type.

Now if you were an astrologer it would be a different story. ;-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Thoughts on Ken's Burns The War

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 authfriend wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote:

In fact the impression I got was that 

  the war was more a failed exercise in trying to
  reduce the world's population dramatically.  And there
  is a section on how they got people in the US to buy
  bonds to finance the war but no answer as to who made 
  all the money off the weapons sales.  That should be
  part of the story too.
  
 
  Then it would be a very different documentary
  with a whole different purpose and approach.

 But any thinking person watching the documentary will begin
 to ponder how the madmen came to power.  They didn't just do
 it by themselves.

If you made a documentary that covered every
single aspect of World War II, it would run
every week for at least a year.

 Some folks here ought to be asking how MMY became so big too.

LOL!! You got a conspiracy theory for that as well?

[FairfieldLife] FLAMER -Off World the -FLAMER

[lurkernomore20002000]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

Idiot. He railed against it in Congress before the war, far stronger 
 than ANYONE else.

Rick, correct me if I'm wrong.  I seem to recall Offworld being one of 
the most insistent that posters be banned for insulting him or 
others.  And yet, here we are, with EVERYONE being much more civil and 
respectful, and yet Offworld continues to berate those with whose 
opinion he disagrees.  I'm sorry to say that this is a common trait of 
bullies - complain about being on the receiving end of the treatment 
they regularly dish out.  Can you ask Offworld to refraim from calling 
people idiots.  I feel we doing with the consensus method of 
indentifying offensive posts.

lurk
 

[FairfieldLife] Pseudo-culture, anyone?

[Samadhi Is Much Closer Than You Think -- Really! -- It's A No-Brainer. Who'd've Thunk It?]

What is pseudo-culture, what constitutes it, how and why?
*Of all that anyone leading or teaching has to convey, the most valuable
thing to cultivate and convey to others is a moral conscience. Only such
persons deserve to lead others, in any capacity. Anything less is a menace
to society.*

*I want every person to be complete in themselves.  Your himsa has no place
in my mission.*

[FairfieldLife] DS responds to mainstream20016 Re: Abortion

[jim_flanegin]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Right on, Jimmy!
 
 Thou shall not kill.
 
 Pretty simple to understand, almost impossible to be perfect at.
 
 I'm going to get a half a coconut shell, a diaper and a walking 
staff.
  Can you imagine the first-person-I-went-up-to's response as I 
begged
 for my daily ration of rice?
 
 It seems just about impossible to be a good person if there's a 
car in
 the garage, an article of clothing in the closet, or even eggs for
 breakfast.
 
 I keep searching for the words to turn my life around when I need a
 good dose of seeing just one child die in a ditch in Dafur.
 
 Who can claim integrity in today's world?  Only in the poorest 
places
  might we find such a person.
 
 Who's looking?
 
 Edg
 
Hi Edg, I find your writing most often evocative, but hard to 
respond to-- not a bad thing let me explain: You try to write the 
way you think and like all of us it is frequently non-linear. Which 
I like because it is as much art as exposition... 

Anyway, I read your post, and then about the third time around I had 
a reply: You often write about our (the population here on earth) 
inadequacy to deal with the so called horrors of this world, and I'm 
thinking, compared to what? I've found stuff inside me that 
initially appeared to equal or surpass the worst excesses of human 
thought and action. The reason I say initially, is that it is always 
very much the snake and string experience; once I look that scary 
stuff that makes me feel bad in the face, it goes all neutral and 
powerless, and becomes magically inconsequential.

So based on my thought experiments of late, my hypothesis is that 
the effect any negative event sustains in us is a direct reflection 
of some resonant energy, to that event, we are carrying around 
within ourselves. The reason I say sustains is because we are not 
dead-- we all have feelings and passion, but when we begin to over 
balance in the direction of a sustained negative feeling, you can 
bet that bell is ringing because of a similar emotion we are 
carrying around within.

This is how a recent experiment on me went. I would feel an emotion 
blooming, and as it did I would think the thought innocently, I 
forgive myself for feeling [for example, 
shame/guilt/inferior/superior] about [event/name/etc]. As an 
interesting aside, when I would name the emotion and it matched, I 
would get like a shiver in my solar plexus to confirm the matching 
vibe. Just to be clear, this was not some attempt to send up some  
ardent prayer, but rather to neutralize the crap that was blocking 
the free flow of energy through my system.

Something else I noticed recently, which could be called the proof 
of the x colored glasses: On Friday morning I had had not a lot of 
sleep the night before, so I called my wife on the way to work and 
began really whining about how long before retirement-- whine, 
whine, whine. It was weird-- I was in the grip of this exhaustion, 
and every time I tapped into it, I'd get very negative. It didn't 
take me long, maybe 10 minutes to see that whet I was doing was 
extrapolating my exhaustion into the future and uncomfortably 
surfing that wave. The point being when I shed that blanket or saw 
it for what it was, not only did I change, but the world changed 
along with me. Ended up having a good day. And I hope that you have 
one too. PS Its Saturday, how bad can it get?:-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: FLAMER -Off World the -FLAMER

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ 
 wrote:
 
 Idiot. He railed against it in Congress before the war, far 
stronger 
  than ANYONE else.
 
 Rick, correct me if I'm wrong.  I seem to recall Offworld being one 
of 
 the most insistent that posters be banned for insulting him or 
 others.  And yet, here we are, with EVERYONE being much more civil 
and 
 respectful, and yet Offworld continues to berate those with whose 
 opinion he disagrees. 


You are ENTIRELY wrong about that, but your prejudice smells a mile a 
way.
I was not remotely involved in that childish argument you guys had 
about banning people, except when it was used unfairly against one 
person but not another. 
I was not part of your little boys stupid argument.

 I'm sorry to say that this is a common trait of 
 bullies - complain about being on the receiving end of the 
treatment 
 they regularly dish out.  Can you ask Offworld to refraim from 
calling 
 people idiots. 

The word 'idiot' was OBVIOUSLY referring to the writer of the 
magazine article, not the FFL member that posted the article. I am 
sorry I did not make that clearer, but you should be more careful 
before you start ranting like crazy person. 

You're extreme prejudice has just put me off FFL permanently. So no 
need to ban...I'm gone. People like you are so childish and 
constantly on the lookout to express your frustrations about your own 
life and project them upon other people.

Outta here

OffWorld

 I feel we doing with the consensus method of 
 indentifying offensive posts.
 
 lurk
  
 
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Apologia

[Sal Sunshine]

On Sep 29, 2007, at 11:18 AM, gullible fool wrote:




I *get it* that, by their standards, I am a lowlife
scum if I have a glass of wine from time to time or
enjoy flirtations and actual sex with women far too
young for me


Not just young women. To the average TB, you would be
lowlife scum for having actual sex with anyone,
including yourself.


That's the public stance of most TM TBers, but isn't it true that many 
if not most of the guys left on Purusha are gay?


Sal

[FairfieldLife] Not My America!

[Bhairitu]

A friend who is visiting Washington D.C. mentioned in an email all the 
security he saw there:

Lots of police with weapons.  Metal detectors and such going into every
building.  People guarding garage entrances and asking why you are walking
by the entrance.  Police cars sitting at intersections locked and ready to
go.  Some friends said they were very aggressive about photos being taken in
the wrong places, they would take the film and develop it for you at your
expense or help you delete the photo from your camera.

This is NOT the America I grew up and got to know.  This is more like 
Nazi Germany or the Eastern Block Stasi.  We don't need this.  It is 
just a show of force and the attempt to turn the country into a police 
state via fear mongering.  The way the government and DHS is handling 
this is like Muslims are as numerous as Mexicans in this country.   We 
all know that is well NOT the case!

My local police even here in blue state California is dressed up like 
they are going to battle in Bagdhad which is way overkill for the level 
of crime in the area.  They are even pushing early retirement on their 
older cops most likely because they've had to spend all this gear that 
the DHS wants them to have and can only afford rookies many of whom 
maybe fresh back from Iraq and ready to push ordinary citizens around 
(but around here we'll push back). 

So what are they anticipating?  Could it be, as outlined in a UK 
military document but very applicable to the US and my bet that as 
similar but most likely classified document exists for this country, 
that they expect massive rioting if the economy collapses like it did in 
1929?  They definitely seem to be working towards a police state in this 
country.  I think it is our responsibility to turn this around.

I'm not a supporter of Ron Paul but he is correct that we don't need the 
Patriot Act nor Homeland Security.  And I'm not a supporter of New World 
Order Hillary who will most likely wind up in the White House because 
that is what the King makers (i.e. Murdoch and crowd) want. Forget 
what you want, the spoiled rich brats always get their way (now just 
watch the whining from the neo-liberalists and libertarians here who I 
guess believe some day they'll be rich though they currently don't have 
a pot to piss in and never will).

Piss on the NWO!

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Amazing young Koran-singer

[Sal Sunshine]

On Sep 29, 2007, at 1:09 PM, authfriend wrote:


And, seeing as how you are all for holding everyone's feet
to the fire to say *exactly* what they mean, I took it at
face value.


No, that's bullshit, Sal. I never dump on people
for using hyperbole as long as it's clear it's
hyperbole, and I use it myself from time to time.

This was *obviously* hyperbole, humorous hyperbole
at that.


Yep, Judy, your posts are always just a barrel of laughs :)--how on 
earth anyone could ever think otherwise is beyond me.


Sal
(chortle, snicker)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: WHOOPS! A FLAME HAS IGNITED!

[Bronte Baxter]

Off-World:
  I am saying those things in a totally calm voice...can' t you tell?
A flame is dropping bombs on people. Roughing a guy up verbally for 
acting like a dumbass is the enlightened thing to do. An 
unenlightened person would be all nice about it at all times. Though 
I am not enlightened and never claimed to be, you MAY be falling in 
to the trap that believes and promotes the idea all enlightened 
people must appear to be nicey nicey all the time. That is a fallacy. 
The Gita says as much, and it makes sense. 
Bronte:
  I understand the phoniness of nicey-nice. I'm not that way either. But 
flaming is attacking the person not the argument -- getting personal in a 
negative sort of way. When you call someone a pathetic little man it doesn't 
matter how calm your voice sounds but that you deeply insulted someone. That's 
what people agreed to stop doing here. 
   
  Even if you think someone deserves that (and I have felt similarly about 
someone who was snotty to me), it spoils the safety of expressing in this forum 
if the option exists for us to get personally put down. A lot of names I 
haven't seen before are showing up in FFL since its self-clean-up. People feel 
encouraged to express divergent ideas here, but they won't continue to if the 
personal attacks start being the norm again. 
   
  Even little cool-tempered ones like the one you made. That starts the 
machinery in motion again, and the snottiness will escalate to bomb-dropping, 
as you put it in no time. Please don't do it, Off. I want to keep talking with 
cool people like you, but I can't if this place becomes a bar room brawl again. 


   
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[FairfieldLife] Critique of AHRQ Reprort Meditation Practices for Health: State of the Research posted on Truth About TM.com

[Rick Archer]

From: David Orme-Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2007 3:34 PM
To: 'David Orme-Johnson'
Subject: Critique of AHRQ Reprort Meditation Practices for Health: State of
the Research posted on Truth About TM.com

 

Dear Friends and Colleagues,

 

I just added this critique to my website TruthAboutTM.com. It is about a
controversial new government-funded study, which said that the research on
meditation and health is inconclusive.  The report was heavily criticized by
leading researchers ask to peer-review the study.  The reviewers’ major
concerns were ignored, in violation of the peer-review process, and
consequently the report is full of misinformation that may be used to guide
public policy.

 

On this website post you will find a summary of reviewers’ critiques, and
links to the full texts of their reviews. Below are links and a summary.

 

HYPERLINK
http://www.truthabouttm.org/truth/Research/AHRQReview2007/index.cfmClick
here to go to website.

 

HYPERLINK
file:///C:\\Documents%20and%20Settings\\David%20Orme-Johnson\\Desktop\\NCCA
M%20review%20of%20meditation\\Top%20researchers%20criticize%20new%20meditati
on%20and%20health%20study.htmClick here for press article appearing in
Physorg.com. 

 

HYPERLINK http://www.mum.edu/pdf/inmp_pressrelease.pdf; \nClick here for
press release (PDF)

 

Critique of AHRQ REPORT Meditation Practices for Health: State of the
Research

SUMMARY

Meditation Practices for Health: State of the Research is a health
technology assessment report by lead authors Maria B. Ospina and Kenneth
Bond and their colleagues at the University of Alberta. It was sponsored by
the U. S. Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality (AHRQ) and the U. S.
NIH-National Center for Complementary and Alternative Medicine (NCCAM). The
authors are to be commended for undertaking this ambitious review of the
effects of a variety of meditation techniques on health, as are AHRQ, and
the NCCAM for supporting it. The report stated: Firm conclusions on the
effects of meditation practices in healthcare cannot be drawn based on the
available evidence. Some press coverage has distorted this conclusion to
say that meditation does not improve health, which the authors of the study
corrected (see below). More seriously, however, problems with the report
were found by experts in the field who were invited to participate in the
study process as peer reviewers. These problems were largely ignored by both
the study authors and the study's sponsors at AHRQ and NCCAM. Reviewers
independently found the study had so many methodological flaws and mistakes
that they recommended the report be withdrawn until it was corrected.
Standard peer review, fact checking, and editors are usually effective at
correcting misinformation. Unfortunately, these safeguards were not honored
in this report, and misinformation is now positioned to guide public policy
on the use of meditation techniques for healthcare.

 

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[FairfieldLife] Most Rapid and Direct Means to Eternal Bliss

[Rick Archer]

Someone sent me this: HYPERLINK
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Not My America!

[MDixon6569]

 
In a message dated 9/29/07 3:24:05 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

A friend  who is visiting Washington D.C. mentioned in an email all the 
security he  saw there:

Lots of police with weapons. Metal detectors and such going  into every
building. People guarding garage entrances and asking why you  are walking
by the entrance. Police cars sitting at intersections locked  and ready to
go. Some friends said they were very aggressive about photos  being taken in
the wrong places, they would take the film and develop it  for you at your
expense or help you delete the photo from your  camera.

This is NOT the America I grew up and got to know. This is  more like 
Nazi Germany or the Eastern Block Stasi. We don't need this. It  is 
just a show of force and the attempt to turn the country into a police  
state via fear mongering. The way the government and DHS is handling  
this is like Muslims are as numerous as Mexicans in this country. We  
all know that is well NOT the case!

My local police even here in  blue state California is dressed up like 
they are going to battle in  Bagdhad which is way overkill for the level 
of crime in the area. They are  even pushing early retirement on their 
older cops most likely because  they've had to spend all this gear that 
the DHS wants them to have and can  only afford rookies many of whom 
maybe fresh back from Iraq and ready to  push ordinary citizens around 
(but around here we'll push back).  

So what are they anticipating? Could it be, as outlined in a UK  
military document but very applicable to the US and my bet that as  
similar but most likely classified document exists for this country,  
that they expect massive rioting if the economy collapses like it did in  
1929? They definitely seem to be working towards a police state in this  
country. I think it is our responsibility to turn this  around.




Sounds like paranoia to me! Been smoking any herb  lately?



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[FairfieldLife] Re: FLAMER -Off World the -FLAMER

[lurkernomore20002000]

Offworld:
 You're extreme prejudice has just put me off FFL permanently. So no 
need to ban...I'm gone. People like you are so childish and 
 constantly on the lookout to express your frustrations about your own 
life and project them upon other people.
 Outta here

Off, for the record, I know you were not involved much in 
the flaming guideline discussion recently.  I was referring to other 
posts where the vitrial and name calling was rampant and you implored 
Rick to ban so and so.

But I am curious, you have said before, I'm otta here for good, only 
to show up a few days, or weeks, or maybe at the longest a month.  
When I make a comment like that, I feel some obligation to honor it.

Now, let me say, I notice my wife often does the same thing.  Says 
something in an absolute way, only to soften the stance a short time 
later.  In general, I find this confusing about people.  I have 
finally learned to not take things so much at face value.

Definitely in business agreements, where I would once be inclined to 
accept a handshake type agreement, I now push for a written agreement.

lurk 

[FairfieldLife] DS, did you confuse Ron with Rick?/ re: DS responds to response to Rick Archer RE: Enlightenment

[Bronte Baxter]

Dear DS: Are you responding to Rick Archer or to Ron (Hridaya)? The comments 
below don't sound like Rick, and unless he sent you these questions privately, 
it isn't him, because such a post from him does not appear on the forum. You 
misconstrued me, Bronte Baxter, as being New Morning in an earlier post. Are 
you mixing these other two people up now? Please try to be careful getting the 
names right when you quote people. - Bronte
  

oneradiantbeing [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Please note. To save time, I am placing my responses in CAPS minus 
the shouting. They easily distinguish my responses from the rest of 
the text. Thank you for your understanding. David Spero

OK Rick,

Now asking in public so all can participate. 

THANK YOU FOR THE INVITATION TO ENTER THIS DISCUSSION.

I suspect that all of those that you know that you say are realized 
have proclaimed this on their own without their Guru declaring this, 
or they did not or currently do not have a guru, or they have their 
own inner Guru- either in some form or otherwise.

It does seem that enlightenment is also possible without the guru but 
I think it is very rare. Even Ramana, from which this idea that it is 
possible, had a Guru (acording to my guru- I think the name was 
Archula). 

HERE IS WHAT RAMANA SAID: THE SELF, OR THE ATMAN, IS THE GURU. HE 
ALSO SAYS THAT THE SELF - OR GRACE - MAY GUIDE THE SEEKER TO FIND AN 
OUTER (LIVING) GURU.

I'VE NOT HEARD ABOUT RAMANA HAVING AN EXTERNAL GURU. PLEASE HAVE YOUR 
GURU SEND YOU THE SOURCE OF HIS KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THIS GURU SO WE CAN 
LEARN ABOUT HIM OR HER.

You pointed out that among other functions with the Guru is telling 
one to continue even though they think they have arrived. This is the 
key missing element for those self proclaiming as above because a Sat 
Guru in living form can quiclky see if there is further to go once 
they are with the people for some time. That is how it works in my 
path.

AN APPOINTED GURU IS NO GUARANTEE OF AUTHENTICITY. ON THE CONTRARY, 
SPIRITUAL LINEAGES AND MOVEMENTS OFTEN CARRY A LOT OF POLITICAL 
BAGGAGE. AN APPOINTED, BONA-FIDE GURU - REALIZED OR NOT - IS JUST A 
BODY WITH A REPUTATION ATTACHED TO IT.

My experience with it is I have been with and read about both those 
self proclaiming as above and also those proclaimed enlightened by 
their Guru who also were proclaimed enlightened by their Guru in a 
chain continueing upwards. The Self procalimed fell apart every time 
under scrutiny. I have seen a lot in the last two years like this-
maybe 20.

AND MANY APPOINTED GURUS HAVE ALSO BITTEN THE DUST IN PUBLIC 
HUMILIATION AND DISGRACE.

THE PLAYING FIELD IS EVEN: NEITHER THE APPOINTED NOR THE SELF-
PROCLAIMED HOLD ANY ADVANTAGE OVER THE OTHER. 

It is a subtle difference by quite clear to me, with the aide of my 
guru pointing out the diffferences. There is a value to it- keeping 
holy company is wise, so good to make sure the company one keeps is 
100% holy sometimes.

HOLINESS IS MERELY APPEARANCE AND THERE ARE NO OUTER BEHAVIORIAL 
CRITERIA TO JUDGE WHETHER SOMEONE IS ENLIGHTENED OR NOT.

Some of these people screw others up in various ways. Most amazing I 
saw was one with all the perfect words describing themselves as 
enlightened. What came out once there was an association with Sat 
Guru was this person was depressed, angry. and with violent thoughts.

I'VE MET MANY PROFOUNDLY WOUNDED PEOPLE AFTER STUDYING UNDER HIGHLY 
ACCLAIMED, APPOINTED GURUS.

I just recently saw in person a guru proclaiming his disciples 
enlightened, however the guru himself is a self proclaimed 
enlightened one, and this also looks flawed. 

The topic is a tricky one.

YES, IT IS. SO PLEASE TRY NOT TO SOUND SO CERTAIN ABOUT THIS SUBJECT.

NAMASTE,

DS

Hridaya Puri



 

   
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Amazing young Koran-singer

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 On Sep 29, 2007, at 1:09 PM, authfriend wrote:
 
  And, seeing as how you are all for holding everyone's feet
  to the fire to say *exactly* what they mean, I took it at
  face value.
 
  No, that's bullshit, Sal. I never dump on people
  for using hyperbole as long as it's clear it's
  hyperbole, and I use it myself from time to time.
 
  This was *obviously* hyperbole, humorous hyperbole
  at that.
 
 Yep, Judy, your posts are always just a barrel of laughs :)--how on 
 earth anyone could ever think otherwise is beyond me.
 
 Sal
 (chortle, snicker)

Your sensa yooma could use a tuneup, Sal.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Ron Paul that Ron Paul doesn't want you to know

[sgrayatlarge]

Zero chance of winning, don't worry David , be happy!

Steve

-- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, oneradiantbeing 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The Ron Paul that Ron Paul doesn't want you to know (Greens have 
2nd 
 thoughts) http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-gop/1902088/posts
 
 Georgia Green Party | May 25, 2007 | Richard Searcy
 
 Posted on 09/25/2007 4:28:04 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
 
 Republican Presidential candidate Congressman Ron Paul is making a 
 name for himself by emerging as an antiwar republican in the 2008 
 race for the White House. While those of us who oppose the mindless 
 war in Iraq welcome all voices of opposition, there are some 
 troubling questions arising about Mr. Paul. 
 
 Paul has been consistent in his opposition to the war, but he 
hasn't 
 been very vocal or visible about that opposition. Most Americans 
knew 
 nothing about Mr. Paul before this election season or had no idea 
 that such an animal as an antiwar republican even existed. Where 
was 
 he years ago when his voice of opposition would not only have been 
 more appreciated, it would have been much more beneficial to this 
 nation, before being antiwar was popular and carried far more 
 political risks. 
 
 Being that he's an antiwar republican, which makes him somewhat of 
an 
 anomaly, surely he could have found and exploited opportunities to 
be 
 more vocal and visible with his stance. There were other 
politicians 
 such as, Cynthia McKinney, Paul Wellstone, Dennis Kucinich, Ralph 
 Nader, and others who were known for their opposition to the war. 
Why 
 didn't Mr. Paul stand with any of them? Why didn't he appear at 
 antiwar demonstrations or stand with other non-politicians who were 
 against the war? 
 
 Even more troubling than his obscurity, is his past comments on 
 racial minorities and his association with the John Birch Society. 
 Paul is the only congressperson to receive a 100% approval rating 
 from the Birchers. His MySpace links directly to the John Birch 
 Society. 
 
 He has also been attributed to comments such as these which 
appeared 
 in his newsletter, the Ron Paul Survival Report: 
 
 If you have ever been robbed by a black teen-aged male, you know 
how 
 unbelievably fleet-footed they can be. 
 
 Opinion polls consistently show that only about 5 percent of 
blacks 
 have sensible political opinions, i.e. support the free market, 
 individual liberty and the end of welfare and affirmative action 
 
 Given the inefficiencies of what D.C. laughingly calls the 
`criminal 
 justice system,' I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of 
the 
 black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal 
 
 We don't think a child of 13 should be held responsible as a man 
of 
 23. That's true for most people, but black males age 13 who have 
been 
 raised on the streets and who have joined criminal gangs are as 
big, 
 strong, tough, scary and culpable as any adult and should be 
treated 
 as such. 
 
 We are constantly told that it is evil to be afraid of black men, 
it 
 is hardly irrational. Black men commit murders, rapes, robberies, 
 muggings and burglaries all out of proportion to their numbers. 
 
 He called former U.S. representative Barbara Jordan a fraud and 
 a half-educated victimologist. 
 
 Paul also claimed that former President Bill Clinton not only 
 fathered illegitimate children, but, that he also used cocaine 
 which would explain certain mysteries about the president's 
 scratchy voice. He said, None of this is conclusive, of course, 
but 
 it sure is interesting, When challenged on those remarks he blamed 
 them on an aide that supposedly wrote them for his newsletter over 
a 
 period of years. Are we to assume that he hadn't read his own 
 newsletter? 
 
 His newsletter with his name on it 
 
 When challenged by the NAACP and other civil rights groups for an 
 apology for such racist remarks, Paul simply said that his remarks 
 about Barbara Jordan related to her stands on affirmative action 
and 
 that his written comments about blacks were in the context 
 of current events and statistical reports of the time. He denied 
 any racist intent. 
 
 Lock up black children, only black children, but he meant nothing 
 racist. Sure. 
 
 It isn't just blacks that Paul has a problem with it's also Asians, 
 homosexuals, Jews, women, fornication, gambling, and the stock 
 market. 
 
 I have a 13 year-old nephew and I certainly wouldn't want the 
 President of the United States trying to convince America that he's 
 dangerous simply because he's black and can run fast. 
 
 I believe that the Ron Paul express needs much closer and thorough 
 examination before those who champion his antiwar stance jump on-
 board.

[FairfieldLife] Shri Adi Shankara raises and answers Questions

[ve-da]

.



Shri Adi Shankara Raises and Answers Some Important Questions
 
 
__




What is the best thing a spiritual aspirant can do? Carry out his guru's 
instructions.
 
What must be avoided? Deeds which lead us into greater ignorance of the truth.
 
Who is a guru? He who has found the truth of Brahman and is always concerned 
for the welfare of his disciples.
 
What is the first and most important duty for a man of right understanding? To 
cut through (transcend) the bonds of worldly desire.
 
How can one be liberated? By attaining the knowledge of Brahman.
 
Who, in this world, can be called pure? He whose mind is pure.
 
Who can be called wise? He who can discriminate between the real and the unreal.
 
What poisons the spiritual aspirant? Neglect of his guru's teachings.
 
For one who has achieved human birth, what is the most desirable objective? To 
realize that which is his ultimate good and to be constantly engaged in doing 
good to others. 
 
What deludes a man like an intoxicating drink? Attachment to the objects of the 
senses.
 
What are thieves? The objects which steal our hearts away from the truth.
 
What causes the bondage of worldly desire? Thirst to enjoy these objects.
 
What is the obstacle to spiritual growth? Laziness.
 
What is the best weapon with which to subdue others? Sound reasoning.
 
Wherein lies strength? In patience.
 
Where is poison? Within the wicked.
 
What is fearlessness? Dispassion.
 
What is most to be feared? To become possessed by your own wealth.
 
What is most rarely found among mankind? Love for the Lord.
 
What are the evils most difficult to rid one's self of? Jealousy and envy.
 
Who is dear to the Lord? He who is fearless and takes away fear from others.
 
How does one attain liberation? By practicing spiritual disciplines.
 
Who is most lovable? The knower of Brahman.
 
How does one develop the power of discrimination? Through service to an elder.
 
Who are elders? Those who have realized the ultimate truth.
 
Who is truly wealthy? He who worships the Lord with devotion.
 
Who profits from his life? The humble man.
 
Who is a loser? He who is proud.
 
What is the most difficult task for a man? To keep his mind under constant 
control.
 
Who protects an aspirant? His guru.
 
Who is the teacher of this world? The Lord.
 
How does one attain wisdom? By the grace of the Lord.
 
How is one liberated? Through devotion to the Lord.
 
Who is the Lord? He who leads us out of ignorance.
 
What is ignorance? The obstacle to the unfoldment of the Divine which is within 
us.
 
What is the ultimate Reality? Brahman.
 
What is unreal? That which disappears when knowledge awakens.
 
How long has ignorance existed? From a time without beginning.
 
What is unavoidable? The death of the body.
 
Whom should we worship? An incarnation of God.
 
What is liberation? The destruction of our ignorance.
 
Who is not to be trusted? He who lies habitually.
 
What is the strength of a holy man? His trust in God.
 
Who is a holy man? He who is forever blissful.
 
Who is free from sin? He who chants the name of the Lord.
 
What is the source of all the scriptures? The sacred syllable OM.
 
What carries us across the ocean of worldliness? The lotus feet of the Lord - 
they carry us like a great ship.
 
Who is bound? He who is attached to worldliness.
 
Who is free? He who is dispassionate.
 
How is heaven attained? The attainment of heaven is freedom from cravings.
 
What destroys craving? Realization of one' s true self.
 
What is the gate to hell? Lust.
 
Who lives in happiness? He who has attained samadhi.
 
Who is awake? He who discriminates between right and wrong.
 
Who are our enemies? Our sense organs, when they are uncontrolled.
 
Who are our friends? Our sense organs, when they are controlled.
 
Who is poor? He who is greedy.
 
Who totally blind? He who is lustful.
 
Who has overcome the world? He who has conquered his own mind.
 
What are the duties of a spiritual aspirant? To keep company with the holy, to 
renounce all thoughts of me and mine, to devote himself to God.
 
Whose birth is blessed? His who does not have to be reborn.
 
Who is immortal? He who does not have to pass through another death.
 
When is one established in the ideal of renunciation? When one knows that Atman 
and Brahman are one.
 
What is right action? Action which pleases the Lord.
 
In this world, what is the greatest terror? The fear of death.
 
Who is the greatest hero? He who is not terror-stricken by the arrows which 
shoot from the eyes of a beautiful girl.
 
Who is poor? He who is not contented.
 
What is meanness? To beg from someone who has less than you.
 
Whom should we honor? Him who does not beg from anyone.
 
Who, in this world, is truly alive? He whose character is free from blemish.
 
Who is awake? He who practices discrimination.
 
Who is asleep? He who lives in ignorance.
 
What rolls quickly away, like drops of water 

[FairfieldLife] MMY on Phase Transition

[ve-da]

Be unshakable now!



We are in the middle of the phase transition.  -  Maharishi strongly emphasised 
the 
great need to be completely self-referral during these times of very rapid 
phase 
transition. He said that there was quite a lot of unsettledness ('bubbling 
around') in 
world consciousness at present and that it is the responsibility of the whole 
meditating family, who are creating a stable basis for the transition to take 
place as 
quickly and as smoothly as possible, not to feel shaken. This is very necessary 
because on the surface the phase transition is so violent.

In order to establish order, disorder has to be shaken; and for that shaking to 
remain 
under control, we who are at the basis, at the level of Para, have to be Para   
  i.e. 
unreachable by the surface turmoil. In that integrated state, the fast moving 
chaos 
and change will pass away in a steady manner. So we have to be very steady.

Maharishi referred to the 'Sahasra Ati Sri Rudra Abhivishek' yagya at present 
being 
performed ... and indicated that this was creating an enormous shaking around 
in 
world consciousness. Rudra corresponds to the dynamism value in nature (as 
'RRR' 
in Rig-Veda) and this dynamism is what is being released by the yagya and 
causing 
the shaking at all levels of creation. When the eight prakritis (the basic 
building 
blocks of creation) are shaken, Apara (i.e. relativity) is getting sorted out 
to come 
into coherence with Para (i.e. absolute). The yagya involves 11 times 11 times 
11 
pundits ... 

We have to be careful not to get upset by little or big things. If we loose our 
basis, 
our dignity, the phase transition will take much longer. Don't give importance 
to 
things which may upset us, Maharishi said. This is a very precious time for the 
world. Everything depends on how our awareness is; just don't let it be shaken. 
Our 
awareness is the basis of all these transformations. More than ever before we 
are 
ourselves. We are at the basis of the power of Rudra. Time demands we remain 
completely ourselves. It is a very tender, delicate time for us we should 
not 
become angry, indifferent, or sad, we should just be like an ocean.

The evolutionary power is waking up. We shake it, then leave it; then after 
some 
time shake it again. Each time a new level of purity, awakening is added ... It 
is the 
awakening of both values: Para and Apara, says Maharishi.



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[FairfieldLife] Re: WHOOPS! A FLAME HAS IGNITED!

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bronte Baxter 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Off-World:
   I am saying those things in a totally calm voice...can' t you 
tell?
 A flame is dropping bombs on people. Roughing a guy up verbally for 
 acting like a dumbass is the enlightened thing to do. An 
 unenlightened person would be all nice about it at all times. 
Though 
 I am not enlightened and never claimed to be, you MAY be falling in 
 to the trap that believes and promotes the idea all enlightened 
 people must appear to be nicey nicey all the time. That is a 
fallacy. 
 The Gita says as much, and it makes sense. 
 Bronte:
   I understand the phoniness of nicey-nice. I'm not that way 
either. But flaming is attacking the person not the argument -- 
getting personal in a negative sort of way. 

Screw that , he clearly attacked me first in very demeanig ways. So 
demeaning that he would be cowardly to say that to my face. To 
say :  You're argument is bullshit, because I say so is the same 
thing as saying to me:  You are an ignorant fucker and I have no 
respect for you and I spit on you

Didn't you read his other post where he says he trolls the internet 
deliberately looking to piss people off, and get them fired 
up ! ! !???
And you lectuer me ? !
He is, as I said, a pathetic little man.



   Even little cool-tempered ones like the one you made. That starts 
the machinery in motion again, and the snottiness will escalate 
to bomb-dropping, as you put it in no time. 

Evil truimphs when good men do nothing.
 The internet is a place for cowards to spew their self-hatred onto 
others, and that is what people who argue in such demeaning ways are 
doing, when they say they only do it to get others fired up. He 
stated: it is a hobby of his. 

Rick should have banned him for that admission alone. It is 
disgusting, and I would love to have in try that on me in person, 
face the face.
He is, as I said, a pathetic, cowardly little man.

You should take people to task for using demeaning arguments such 
as , your argument is stupid because it is stupid, and becuase you 
are not smart enough. 

If you are going to lecture me for them insulting me, and me reacting 
like any rational man would, then you are no better than them. Sorry 
Bronte, you will discover, that FFL life is not a place to look for 
peace, it is mostly populated by mean old men who are so disappointed 
in their own lives that they attack others with hate filled 
irrationality. Don't look for peace and love here. These people here 
are the empty shells of the failure to find themsleves and any 
meaning in life, that they feel every day, and need to try to prove 
their worth on the internet. 

I like you enough to warn you to not seek discourse among the 
arrogant old men here who have no intention of rational discussion, 
only to vent their frustrations and noxious vapors upon others.

Seek community with real bodies, not fake handles and cowardly grumpy 
old men.

Tom Barlow, Vermont
OffWorld

[FairfieldLife] Re: FLAMER -Off World the -FLAMER

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Offworld:
  You're extreme prejudice has just put me off FFL permanently. So 
no 
 need to ban...I'm gone. People like you are so childish and 
  constantly on the lookout to express your frustrations about your 
own 
 life and project them upon other people.
  Outta here
 
 Off, for the record, I know you were not involved much in 
 the flaming guideline discussion recently.  I was referring to 
other 
 posts where the vitrial and name calling was rampant and you 
implored 
 Rick to ban so and so.

Bullshit. You're making shit up to suit you're own prejudice. 

I was not part of your little boys stupid argument.

You're extreme prejudice has just put me off FFL permanently. So no
need to ban...I'm gone. People like you are so childish and
constantly on the lookout to express your frustrations about your own
life and project them upon other people.

Outta here

OffWorld

[FairfieldLife] Rick, May I suggest we give Offworld a one week rest?

[lurkernomore20002000]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 What do you do the rest of the day when not scolding people for being 
 naughty boys on the internet?

Rick,

I honestly believe Offworld is trying to tone down his anger.  It is 
muted to some extent.  But I say, that he cannot brook a difference of 
opinion without insulting the other person.  IMHO, I think a week off 
would help the situation.

lurk  

[FairfieldLife] To Off-World/ DS Spreading lies about Ron Paul

[Bronte Baxter]

  That flaming Scottsman Off-World wrote:
  It is clear what Ron Paul stands for, and that he will never be a dictator as 
you are trying to make out. He does not have that sort of energy, nor the 
charisma, to be a dictator. You're fearmongering is laughable, and will go 
nowhere. It is a joke and you are making a 
fool of yourself. 
_ 
  Bronte:
   
  Now doggone it, Off, here you're doing the VERY thing you just told me was 
blatantly unfair: saying your argument is stupid because it's stupid, and you 
are stupid to boot. You are accusing others of the thing you yourself have 
just turned around and done. You're hurt and lashing out. It's time to stop and 
be civil.  


   
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Challenge -- say something true

[billy jim]

Thanks for the input. 

authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  --- In 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
snip
 However, I like it because it reinforces the recognition
 that these Sanskrit words (read Arabic for Houri) are 
 provisional terms, not necessarily fit yet to be 
 reified into English. 
 
 I understand how you, as an editor, might find this mode of 
 presentation to be contra-instinctual for a trained English
 reader. However, rather than just dismissing it, tell me why
 you might find it confusing or irritating.

Well, actually, I did. I said I didn't think it
was called for, i.e., there was no good reason
*for* doing it in an informal forum like this,
where whether these terms are fit yet to be
reified into English isn't at issue, and it made
the text more difficult to read.

As an editor, I think anything about the technical
details of a piece of writing that causes the
reader to go Huh? even for a split second
inhibits communication of the *content* of the
writing; it disturbs the flow and distracts the
reader's attention.

No biggie, and I really wasn't objecting to
your use of the hyphens so much as I was curious
to know why you were using them.



 

   
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[FairfieldLife] Re: DS responds to Bronte Baxter about possible mispost

[Ron]

I dont know exactly, I will inquire, I picked the text out from previous posts. 
In it, Ramana 
is quoted, and my Guru adds her own comments where she had Gurus that were not 
seen. 
I will try to get more specific details and post them when acvailable.

If you read the quotes carefully, it is maybe leaving things up in the air. It 
seems it is not 
only Arunachala that Ramana is talking about

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, matrixmonitor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --Ramana didn't have a physically embodied Guru prior to getting 
 Enlightened on 7-17-96; but he was born right next to a Shiva Temple 
 and as a youth, spent a lot of time in Shiva and Kali Temples, even 
 pouring water on a Shivalingam, then swimming in a nearby river.  
 Thus, there was a Spiritual Transmission through the Temple Shakti.
  Around the same time, his Uncle met him at home, saying he had just 
 come from Arunachala.  Although Ramana had heard of this place in 
 the context of the Saivite mythos, he then realized it was an actual, 
 physical place.
  The term Arunachala refers to a. Arunachala Shiva, b. 
 Arunachaleswarar Temple, c. the Arunachala Hill, and d. according to 
 Ramana, The Self.
 
 
 
 
 
 - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, oneradiantbeing 
 oneradiantbeing@ wrote:
 
  DS: No, that was not written to Rick. I thought I was responding 
  to Hridaya Puri or Ron (I believe they are the same person), 
 whose 
  name appeared at the bottom of the post (see below). Please explain 
  further, if necessary. Thanks, DS
  
 __
  Bronte: DS, did you confuse Ron with Rick?/ re: DS responds to 
  response to Rick Archer RE: Enlightenment 
  
 __
  
  Bronte: Dear DS: Are you responding to Rick Archer or to Ron 
  (Hridaya)? The comments below don't sound like Rick, and unless he 
  sent you these questions privately, it isn't him, because such a 
 post 
  from him does not appear on the forum. You misconstrued me, Bronte 
  Baxter, as being New Morning in an earlier post. Are you mixing 
 these 
  other two people up now? Please try to be careful getting the names 
  right when you quote people. - Bronte
  
  
 __
  oneradiantbeing oneradiantbeing@ wrote:
  Please note. To save time, I am placing my responses in CAPS minus 
  the shouting. They easily distinguish my responses from the rest of 
  the text. Thank you for your understanding. David Spero
  
  OK Rick,
  
  Now asking in public so all can participate. 
  
  THANK YOU FOR THE INVITATION TO ENTER THIS DISCUSSION.
  
  I suspect that all of those that you know that you say are realized 
  have proclaimed this on their own without their Guru declaring 
 this, 
  or they did not or currently do not have a guru, or they have their 
  own inner Guru- either in some form or otherwise.
  
  It does seem that enlightenment is also possible without the guru 
 but 
  I think it is very rare. Even Ramana, from which this idea that it 
 is 
  possible, had a Guru (acording to my guru- I think the name was 
  Archula). 
  
  HERE IS WHAT RAMANA SAID: THE SELF, OR THE ATMAN, IS THE GURU. HE 
  ALSO SAYS THAT THE SELF - OR GRACE - MAY GUIDE THE SEEKER TO FIND 
 AN 
  OUTER (LIVING) GURU.
  
  I'VE NOT HEARD ABOUT RAMANA HAVING AN EXTERNAL GURU. PLEASE HAVE 
 YOUR 
  GURU SEND YOU THE SOURCE OF HIS KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THIS GURU SO WE CAN 
  LEARN ABOUT HIM OR HER.
  
  You pointed out that among other functions with the Guru is telling 
  one to continue even though they think they have arrived. This is 
 the 
  key missing element for those self proclaiming as above because a 
 Sat 
  Guru in living form can quiclky see if there is further to go once 
  they are with the people for some time. That is how it works in my 
  path.
  
  AN APPOINTED GURU IS NO GUARANTEE OF AUTHENTICITY. ON THE CONTRARY, 
  SPIRITUAL LINEAGES AND MOVEMENTS OFTEN CARRY A LOT OF POLITICAL 
  BAGGAGE. AN APPOINTED, BONA-FIDE GURU - REALIZED OR NOT - IS JUST 
 A 
  BODY WITH A REPUTATION ATTACHED TO IT.
  
  My experience with it is I have been with and read about both those 
  self proclaiming as above and also those proclaimed enlightened by 
  their Guru who also were proclaimed enlightened by their Guru in a 
  chain continueing upwards. The Self procalimed fell apart every 
 time 
  under scrutiny. I have seen a lot in the last two years like this-
  maybe 20.
  
  AND MANY APPOINTED GURUS HAVE ALSO BITTEN THE DUST IN PUBLIC 
  HUMILIATION AND DISGRACE.
  
  THE PLAYING FIELD IS EVEN: NEITHER THE APPOINTED NOR THE SELF-
  PROCLAIMED HOLD ANY ADVANTAGE OVER THE OTHER. 
  
  It is a subtle difference by quite clear to me, with the aide of my 
  guru pointing out the diffferences. There is a value to it- keeping 
  holy company is wise, so good to make sure the company one keeps is 
  100% holy 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Kundalini Through The Chakras

[billy jim]

Sorry, also, but I don't understand what you are looking for here. You asked 
for classic descriptions as well as personal experiences. These classical 
descriptions are found in the yoga and tantric texts of early and medieval 
Hinduism and Buddhism. 
   
  Your reply seems unusual. Are you actually asking something that is a real 
question to you or are you wanting to make a statement about how things are? 
Perhaps you are looking for descriptions that accord with your own ideas as 
evidenced in your reply.
   
  Sorry, but I don't think I can help much. However, Vaj also shares this 
background, so perhaps you can query him.
   
  

Samadhi Is Much Closer Than You Think -- Really! -- It's A No-Brainer. 
Who'd've Thunk It? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Regardless of what one believes, Bill, the kundalini precedes, in the 
continuity of the cosmos, such prejudices.  Symptoms of it passing through the 
chakras has to do with nonprejudicial experiences.
   
  So, I don't understand the question, sorry.
   
  Of all that anyone leading or teaching has to convey, the most valuable thing 
to cultivate and convey to others is a moral conscience. Only such persons 
deserve to lead others, in any capacity. Anything less is a menace to society.
  I want every person to be complete in themselves.  Your himsa has no place in 
my mission.

  
 
  On 9/29/07, emptybill [EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote:   
Functionalist Buddhist Tantra or Structuralist Hindu Tantra?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mystical Sadhu
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Does anyone have descriptions of experiences, perceptions resulting
from
 raising the kundalini through the various chakras? 

 Classic descriptions as well as personal experiences.

 Thank you,

 Satya

 When Shakyamuni Buddha was at Mount Grdhrakuta, he held up a flower to
his
 listeners. Everyone was silent. Only Mahakashyapa broke into a broad
smile.
 The Buddha said, I have the True Dharma Eye, the Marvelous Mind of
Nirvana,
 the True Form of the Formless, and the Subtle Dharma Gate, independent 
of
 words and transmitted beyond doctrine. This I have entrusted to
Mahakashyapa.

  

 

   
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[FairfieldLife] Ron Paul quotatations describing Blacks in America - to Offworld

[oneradiantbeing]

DS to OffWorld: Paul likes to say his ghost writer said some of these 
things. But that's pure evasion. Certainly, even his ghost writer 
would, at least, approximate his views closely. But these are his 
quotes. Decide for yourself:

Opinion polls consistently show that only about 5 percent of Blacks 
have sensible political opinions! RP

If you have ever been robbed by a black teen-aged male, you know how 
unbelievably fleet-footed they can be. RP

Given the inefficiencies of what D.C. laughingly calls the `criminal 
justice system,' I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the 
black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal, Paul 
said. 

We are constantly told that it is evil to be afraid of black men, it 
is hardly irrational. Black men commit murders, rapes, robberies, 
muggings and burglaries all out of proportion to their numbers.

[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY on Phase Transition

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 We are in the middle of the phase transition.  -  Maharishi 
strongly emphasised the 
 great need to be completely self-referral during these times of 
very rapid phase 
 transition. He said that there was quite a lot of unsettledness 
('bubbling around') in 
 world consciousness at present and that it is the responsibility of 
the whole 
 meditating family, who are creating a stable basis for the 
transition to take place as 
 quickly and as smoothly as possible, not to feel shaken. This is 
very necessary 
 because on the surface the phase transition is so violent.

This is exactly what I was talking about in my kundalini posts, and 
those of you who read them will recognise this last sentance almost 
exactly from my own judgment in those posts.

snip 
 Maharishi referred to the 'Sahasra Ati Sri Rudra Abhivishek' yagya 
at present being 
 performed ... and indicated that this was creating an enormous 
shaking around in 
 world consciousness. 

I have been feeling this thing, I even thought, that some huge yagya 
must be going on, but then I thought , na , must be my imagination, 
but then it was very strong. It is very powerful.

Rudra corresponds to the dynamism value in nature (as 'RRR' 
 in Rig-Veda) and this dynamism is what is being released by the 
yagya and causing 
 the shaking at all levels of creation. When the eight prakritis 
(the basic building 
 blocks of creation) are shaken, Apara (i.e. relativity) is getting 
sorted out to come 
 into coherence with Para (i.e. absolute). The yagya involves 11 
times 11 times 11 
 pundits ... 
 
 We have to be careful not to get upset by little or big things.

Ok, I'll cool it now.

OffWorld

snip

[FairfieldLife] Ron Paul internet donations-MILLION dollars a week

[off_world_beings]

Looks like 1/4 million a day being raised by thousands of donors to Ron 
Paul's campaign:
Check out this thermometer rising like a freight train.
http://www.ronpaul2008.com

Those people on FFL saying he is no good, and will loose must be so mad 
right now.

Huge cheers from strongly black audience on that previous news clip I 
just posted in my last post, and 1/4 million dollars a day being raised.

You're posts trying to show he is anti-black are a joke. Many blacks 
are seeing that he is more black than Obama.

HA HA HA HA HA HA !
All the negative lies you post about Ron Paul will not stop this 
juggernaught.

OffWorld

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Millionaire Ayurveda shopkeepers

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, george_deforest 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  bob_brigante wrote:
 
  I haven't quite figured this out -- are they saying 
  you have to sell $50K a month of AV products? 
  If so, only a few big city placements will do this well, I think.
 
 this could work, if MAPI products became popular ... but only if
 there is a -very strong- and -constant- TV advertising campaign
 that actually *inspires* the average consumer. (like Apple iPod ads,
 for example.)
 
  The winning point of the program is that every participating shop 
  will be provided about $50,000 worth of Maharishi Ayurveda 
products 
  (retail cost) every month and in addition about $10,000 will be 
spent 
  per shop in national and state-wide publicity, 
 
 my guess is, this is by far not a big enough advertising budget
 for the kind of sucess they are dreaming of.


My guess is that it will work about as well as that $4,000 a month 
guaranteed salary to the newly certified teachers worked.

How many months did they pay the $4,000 a month to those teachers?

If someone has a million dollars at their disposal and they're 
seriously considering doing this, why don't they just write a check 
for a million dollars directly to Maharishi's nephew.  That way they 
cut out all the bullshit of having to go through setting up a 
business that every 5-year-old knows isn't going to work anyway.  At 
least this way they'll get a tax write-off for a donation...

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Millionaire Ayurveda shopkeepers

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 I haven't quite figured this out -- are they saying you have to 
sell 
 $50K a month of AV products? If so, only a few big city placements 
 will do this well, I think.
 
 *
 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Transcendental_Meditation/
 
 From: The Office of Dr. Benjamin Feldman
  
 Dear National Leader,
 Please give the following message to all the Governors and Sidhas 
who 
 may wish to be full time in the Movement and begin to behave on the 
 level of millionaires in the country:
 --
 The wish is for the Governors and Sidhas—the honorable Directors 
who 
 will be now seriously taking the responsibility of the activity in 
 their cities, in order to bring health and invincibility to their 
 country, to begin to behave like millionaires. 
 Full time Governors and Sidhas are now eligible for the new 
 Millionaire Program. 
 Concept of millionaire-ship can be seen as follows:
 A millionaire with one million dollars at his disposal deposits 
this 
 money in the bank and gets five percent interest—he will get 
$50,000 
 in interest per year for his expenses. So about 4,200 per month 
will 
 be his income.


Uh, this is where the big flaw is.

1) If they are millionaires with one million dollars at their 
disposal, it is reasonable to assume that they don't JUST have one 
million to their name because they have to to have one million at 
their disposal.  So someone with a million at their disposal is 
probably worth about $5 million.

And if they are worth $5 million, that money isn't sitting there not 
earning anything; it's either already in real estate or bonds or 
stocks or interest-bearing instruments.

And if that is the case, then they already have taxable income...AND 
more than likely that they are in the highest possible tax bracket.

So, that $50,000 a year in interest income from the $1 million is not 
going to be $50,000 available (the $4,200 a month) to them but about 
$30,000 after-tax, which is about $2,500 a month.

Of course, whatever expenses are used in business, this can be a 
write-off.  And since the whole thing isn't going to work anyway, the 
entire $50,000 a year will be offset by loss.

So, yes, this scheme should work perfectly!





 With this amount he will have a decent house of 
 approximately $2,000 per month, $700 for the lease payments, 
 insurance and gasoline of a good car and $1,500 for food, taxes, 
 insurance and other expenses of the family. 
 With this level of expenditure, every participating Director will 
 start to live on the level of a millionaire from November 1, 2007. 
 Those participating in the Millionaire Program will have $4,200 per 
 month and also the salaries of two full time assistants at the rate 
 of $2,500 each. The rent of a shop of about 250 sq. ft (store-front 
 in a central area) and about 1,000 sq. ft. of storage and office 
 associated with the shop, may cost about $3,000 per month, so the 
 total expenditure per month per shop would be about $13,000 per 
month 
 including utilities, telephone, etc. 
 The winning point of the program is that every participating shop 
 will be provided about $50,000 worth of Maharishi Ayurveda products 
 (retail cost) every month and in addition about $10,000 will be 
spent 
 per shop in national and state-wide publicity, so about $23,000 
will 
 be needed to cover all costs incurred by the local shop. This is 
less 
 than 50% of the value of the stock. The policy therefore will be 
that 
 50% of the sales will be allocated to the above mentioned expenses 
 (and the surplus of this 50% can be kept by the local shop as a 
 reserve fund). The cost of the products and its transportation will 
 be paid from the other 50% of income from the sales. 
 The full-time assistants for the shop will facilitate the 
 participating Governor to further supplement the level of 
 millionaire's income with the income from other programs of the 
 Maharishi Invincibility Centers. The policy for income and expense 
 for those programs will remain the same as it is now.
 This is the outline for the concerned Governors and Sidhas. 
 Please confirm to me within about one week (to Finance@) your wish 
 to participate in this program and the location and size of the 
 specific shop and storage space you have selected.
 Please include also your name, city, country and whether you are a 
 Governor or Sidha and confirm your full time involvement in 
Movement 
 programs (e.g. you may be associated with a Maharishi Invincibility 
 Center and also open a shop).
 Having received the proposals for implementation we will order the 
 supply of Maharishi Ayurveda products from India.  Confirmed 
 participants will then prepare the shop and, if ready to open, will 
 attend one week of Panchakarma immediately following the 
celebration 
 of Vijaya Dashmi—the auspicious Victory Day in the Vedic Calendar—
and 
 then open their new shops on November first. Those who 

Re: [FairfieldLife] What's the Most....

[Bronte Baxter]

I would say, spiritualizing matter. Making it as perfect and free as the 
Infinite itself. How would you answer this question, Suzie? 
  

suziezuzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  What's the greatest and most satisfying thing a person can accomplish 
in the material, relative world? 



 

   
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[FairfieldLife] Guru Dev 1945 on enemies

[bob_brigante]

One who has set in his heart the concept of the transitoriness of 
the world through a process of reasoning and deep thought, is the 
person competent to win over the inner hexagon. Because, one who is 
convinced of the transitoriness of the entire world complex cannot be 
susceptible to greed or attachment to anything, for he knows that the 
object of his greed or attachment today will be something different 
tomorrow. Conscious of this disappointment, desires and attachments 
do not germinate in his mind. Nay, their very seed is destroyed. Then 
jealousy also is gone. He is no longer vain about his greatness, 
learning or wealth. When greed, attachment, vanity and jealousy 
disappear, there is no cause left for anger and anger goes away 
automatically. His desires recede and turn to God, with the result 
that now his worldly actions are dictated by a sense of duty rather 
than by passion. His behaviour automatically becomes proper and he 
lives in the world without being affected by it, just as a lotus leaf 
lives in water without getting wet. Such a man has no external 
enemies left, and his sameness rules over the whole Nature. None is 
capable of disturbing his kingdom of peace. It is such a person who 
is samadarshii (impartial, dispassionate) and a great victor, who 
can carry the world towards the goal of lasting peace and happiness.

Therefore, a victory over the inner hexagon is the highest form of 
victory, and it is to achieving this great victory that man should 
direct his efforts.'

*
complete quote, from the Transcendental Meditation yahoo group:
*

It is said that in September 1945, when the Second World War was 
over, newspaper reporters wanted to know the reaction of 
Shankaracharya Swami Brahmananda Saraswati, Shankaracharya of 
Jyotirmath (Guru Dev). Allegedly he gave them the following 
statement, parts of which match other published quotations of Guru 
Dev:-

'Real victory is that, after which there can never be a reverse. 
Nobody can call himself a victor forever merely by crushing an 
external foe, because such foes can spring up again. A real victory 
is achieved by bringing under control the internal foes. A check over 
the internal enemies is therefore the only way of conquering the 
external enemies forever, because we should bear in mind that it is 
our own internal enemies which create the external enemies.

These inner enemies are ambition, anger, greed, false attachment, 
vanity and jealousy. It is this hexagon sitting inside us which makes 
a cat's paw (duping) of anything in the outer world in order to 
create enemies for us. Therefore if anybody wants to enjoy peace and 
happiness through victory over all enemies, then he should raid the 
very source of all physical enemies - the subtle hexagon living in 
us. Destruction of enemies by root is not possible without breaking 
up this hexagon (ambition, anger, greed, false attachment, vanity and 
jealousy). This is axiomatic.

It is a fact established by practical experience that anyone who has 
conquered these subtle inner enemies, has broken up the central 
source of all external enemies. Therefore, all enemies are nipped in 
the bud. Then he has no enemies left to be defeated. It is only such 
a victor who can be called a real victor. Then the gates of true and 
lasting peace and happiness are opened for him.

For a nation which desires to be completely free from enemies and to 
build a world of peace and happiness, it is necessary to have such 
men at the helm of its affairs who have conquered their inner 
hexagon. Otherwise they would destroy themselves along with many 
others. The history of the last several centuries shows that the 
rulers of powerful nations have given a bloodbath to the world under 
the influence of their hexagon. This is brutish. Those who carry the 
burden of guiding a nation should particularly act with insight. It 
is no greatness or humanism to be carried away by one's hexagon and 
spread a wave of suffering over the earth.

After all, how long can we go on destroying the external enemies? As 
soon as we get rid of one, another one is ready to engage us. In this 
way we not only remain ourselves perpetually disturbed, but we also 
keep a cold war going on which threatens the peace and happiness of 
the whole of mankind all the time. This is certainly neither a sign 
of any victory nor of the suppression of any enemies. Hence it is 
most essential that people who rule nations should be those who have 
conquered their inner hexagon. It is these really victorious leaders 
who can successfully guide the societies, the nations and the world 
on to the path of lasting peace and happiness.

It is not too difficult to win over the hexagon. But people take it 
to be impossible without giving thought. Most of them hold the belief 
that only a perfect saint who has renounced all worldly concerns can 
break up the inner hexagon. This belief is based on complete 
ignorance. A renouncer renounces the very 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Shri Adi Shankara raises and answers Questions

[do.rflex]

Thank you for that, ve-da!




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 .
 
 
 
 Shri Adi Shankara Raises and Answers Some Important Questions
  
  
 __
 
 
 
 
 What is the best thing a spiritual aspirant can do? Carry out his
guru's instructions.
  
 What must be avoided? Deeds which lead us into greater ignorance of
the truth.
  
 Who is a guru? He who has found the truth of Brahman and is always
concerned for the welfare of his disciples.
  
 What is the first and most important duty for a man of right
understanding? To cut through (transcend) the bonds of worldly desire.
  
 How can one be liberated? By attaining the knowledge of Brahman.
  
 Who, in this world, can be called pure? He whose mind is pure.
  
 Who can be called wise? He who can discriminate between the real and
the unreal.
  
 What poisons the spiritual aspirant? Neglect of his guru's teachings.
  
 For one who has achieved human birth, what is the most desirable
objective? To realize that which is his ultimate good and to be
constantly engaged in doing good to others. 
  
 What deludes a man like an intoxicating drink? Attachment to the
objects of the senses.
  
 What are thieves? The objects which steal our hearts away from the
truth.
  
 What causes the bondage of worldly desire? Thirst to enjoy these
objects.
  
 What is the obstacle to spiritual growth? Laziness.
  
 What is the best weapon with which to subdue others? Sound reasoning.
  
 Wherein lies strength? In patience.
  
 Where is poison? Within the wicked.
  
 What is fearlessness? Dispassion.
  
 What is most to be feared? To become possessed by your own wealth.
  
 What is most rarely found among mankind? Love for the Lord.
  
 What are the evils most difficult to rid one's self of? Jealousy and
envy.
  
 Who is dear to the Lord? He who is fearless and takes away fear from
others.
  
 How does one attain liberation? By practicing spiritual disciplines.
  
 Who is most lovable? The knower of Brahman.
  
 How does one develop the power of discrimination? Through service to
an elder.
  
 Who are elders? Those who have realized the ultimate truth.
  
 Who is truly wealthy? He who worships the Lord with devotion.
  
 Who profits from his life? The humble man.
  
 Who is a loser? He who is proud.
  
 What is the most difficult task for a man? To keep his mind under
constant control.
  
 Who protects an aspirant? His guru.
  
 Who is the teacher of this world? The Lord.
  
 How does one attain wisdom? By the grace of the Lord.
  
 How is one liberated? Through devotion to the Lord.
  
 Who is the Lord? He who leads us out of ignorance.
  
 What is ignorance? The obstacle to the unfoldment of the Divine
which is within us.
  
 What is the ultimate Reality? Brahman.
  
 What is unreal? That which disappears when knowledge awakens.
  
 How long has ignorance existed? From a time without beginning.
  
 What is unavoidable? The death of the body.
  
 Whom should we worship? An incarnation of God.
  
 What is liberation? The destruction of our ignorance.
  
 Who is not to be trusted? He who lies habitually.
  
 What is the strength of a holy man? His trust in God.
  
 Who is a holy man? He who is forever blissful.
  
 Who is free from sin? He who chants the name of the Lord.
  
 What is the source of all the scriptures? The sacred syllable OM.
  
 What carries us across the ocean of worldliness? The lotus feet of
the Lord - they carry us like a great ship.
  
 Who is bound? He who is attached to worldliness.
  
 Who is free? He who is dispassionate.
  
 How is heaven attained? The attainment of heaven is freedom from
cravings.
  
 What destroys craving? Realization of one' s true self.
  
 What is the gate to hell? Lust.
  
 Who lives in happiness? He who has attained samadhi.
  
 Who is awake? He who discriminates between right and wrong.
  
 Who are our enemies? Our sense organs, when they are uncontrolled.
  
 Who are our friends? Our sense organs, when they are controlled.
  
 Who is poor? He who is greedy.
  
 Who totally blind? He who is lustful.
  
 Who has overcome the world? He who has conquered his own mind.
  
 What are the duties of a spiritual aspirant? To keep company with
the holy, to renounce all thoughts of me and mine, to devote
himself to God.
  
 Whose birth is blessed? His who does not have to be reborn.
  
 Who is immortal? He who does not have to pass through another death.
  
 When is one established in the ideal of renunciation? When one knows
that Atman and Brahman are one.
  
 What is right action? Action which pleases the Lord.
  
 In this world, what is the greatest terror? The fear of death.
  
 Who is the greatest hero? He who is not terror-stricken by the
arrows which shoot from the eyes of a beautiful girl.
  
 Who is poor? He who is not contented.
  
 What is meanness? To beg from someone who has less than you.
  
 Whom should we honor? Him who does not beg 

[FairfieldLife] DS responds to Bronte Baxter about possible mispost

[oneradiantbeing]

DS: No, that was not written to Rick. I thought I was responding 
to Hridaya Puri or Ron (I believe they are the same person), whose 
name appeared at the bottom of the post (see below). Please explain 
further, if necessary. Thanks, DS
__
Bronte: DS, did you confuse Ron with Rick?/ re: DS responds to 
response to Rick Archer RE: Enlightenment 
__

Bronte: Dear DS: Are you responding to Rick Archer or to Ron 
(Hridaya)? The comments below don't sound like Rick, and unless he 
sent you these questions privately, it isn't him, because such a post 
from him does not appear on the forum. You misconstrued me, Bronte 
Baxter, as being New Morning in an earlier post. Are you mixing these 
other two people up now? Please try to be careful getting the names 
right when you quote people. - Bronte

__
oneradiantbeing [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Please note. To save time, I am placing my responses in CAPS minus 
the shouting. They easily distinguish my responses from the rest of 
the text. Thank you for your understanding. David Spero

OK Rick,

Now asking in public so all can participate. 

THANK YOU FOR THE INVITATION TO ENTER THIS DISCUSSION.

I suspect that all of those that you know that you say are realized 
have proclaimed this on their own without their Guru declaring this, 
or they did not or currently do not have a guru, or they have their 
own inner Guru- either in some form or otherwise.

It does seem that enlightenment is also possible without the guru but 
I think it is very rare. Even Ramana, from which this idea that it is 
possible, had a Guru (acording to my guru- I think the name was 
Archula). 

HERE IS WHAT RAMANA SAID: THE SELF, OR THE ATMAN, IS THE GURU. HE 
ALSO SAYS THAT THE SELF - OR GRACE - MAY GUIDE THE SEEKER TO FIND AN 
OUTER (LIVING) GURU.

I'VE NOT HEARD ABOUT RAMANA HAVING AN EXTERNAL GURU. PLEASE HAVE YOUR 
GURU SEND YOU THE SOURCE OF HIS KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THIS GURU SO WE CAN 
LEARN ABOUT HIM OR HER.

You pointed out that among other functions with the Guru is telling 
one to continue even though they think they have arrived. This is the 
key missing element for those self proclaiming as above because a Sat 
Guru in living form can quiclky see if there is further to go once 
they are with the people for some time. That is how it works in my 
path.

AN APPOINTED GURU IS NO GUARANTEE OF AUTHENTICITY. ON THE CONTRARY, 
SPIRITUAL LINEAGES AND MOVEMENTS OFTEN CARRY A LOT OF POLITICAL 
BAGGAGE. AN APPOINTED, BONA-FIDE GURU - REALIZED OR NOT - IS JUST A 
BODY WITH A REPUTATION ATTACHED TO IT.

My experience with it is I have been with and read about both those 
self proclaiming as above and also those proclaimed enlightened by 
their Guru who also were proclaimed enlightened by their Guru in a 
chain continueing upwards. The Self procalimed fell apart every time 
under scrutiny. I have seen a lot in the last two years like this-
maybe 20.

AND MANY APPOINTED GURUS HAVE ALSO BITTEN THE DUST IN PUBLIC 
HUMILIATION AND DISGRACE.

THE PLAYING FIELD IS EVEN: NEITHER THE APPOINTED NOR THE SELF-
PROCLAIMED HOLD ANY ADVANTAGE OVER THE OTHER. 

It is a subtle difference by quite clear to me, with the aide of my 
guru pointing out the diffferences. There is a value to it- keeping 
holy company is wise, so good to make sure the company one keeps is 
100% holy sometimes.

HOLINESS IS MERELY APPEARANCE AND THERE ARE NO OUTER BEHAVIORIAL 
CRITERIA TO JUDGE WHETHER SOMEONE IS ENLIGHTENED OR NOT.

Some of these people screw others up in various ways. Most amazing I 
saw was one with all the perfect words describing themselves as 
enlightened. What came out once there was an association with Sat 
Guru was this person was depressed, angry. and with violent thoughts.

I'VE MET MANY PROFOUNDLY WOUNDED PEOPLE AFTER STUDYING UNDER HIGHLY 
ACCLAIMED, APPOINTED GURUS.

I just recently saw in person a guru proclaiming his disciples 
enlightened, however the guru himself is a self proclaimed 
enlightened one, and this also looks flawed. 

The topic is a tricky one.

YES, IT IS. SO PLEASE TRY NOT TO SOUND SO CERTAIN ABOUT THIS SUBJECT.

NAMASTE,

DS

Hridaya Puri

[FairfieldLife] Ron Paul Calls for End to Drug War to help poor blacks

[off_world_beings]

Ron Paul Calls for End to Drug War:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=o8S8N2OG7sU

OffWorld

[FairfieldLife] DS Responds to Offworld Re: Ron Paul Video Clip

[oneradiantbeing]

Offworld: Ron Paul Calls for End to Drug War: 
http://youtube.com/watch?v=o8S8N2OG7sU

DS: Paul is is a polished politician and a better speaker than any of 
his Republican contenders. He is also more erudite. Of course, Ron 
says a few intelligent things, the most important one the immediate 
ending the Iraq war. 

But who Paul associates with is the real issue, along with his ACTUAL 
voting record. Please read carefully and objectively my earlier post: 
ABOUT RON PAUL: THE ENEMY OF MY ENEMY IS NOT ALWAYS MY FRIEND. Read 
it two or three times

One thing not mentioned in that article, though, is Paul's 
association with the Rushdoony family. FYI, search John Rushdoony on 
Wikipedia. You will find that he is the Guru of Pat Robertson, the 
late Falwell, Hinn, Hagey, and the list goes on. Ron Paul's 
Christianity is vile and hateful.

My brief response to your videoclip is: don't take the bait. Read 
what the left-wing bloggers have to say, not Ron's supporters, who 
are now his faithful apologists. I placed three posts on today so 
people can think deeply about Paul who CLEARLY is a racist and white 
supremacist. 

Remember George Wallace? He was a states rights man right to the 
core. 

Paul and his ilk are trying to return us to pre-FDR days. 

Paul will take us to fascism through the back door. 

This man is an absolute menace to democracy and will complete what W 
started.

[FairfieldLife] DS Spreading lies about Ron Paul

[off_world_beings]

Spreading the lies of bloggers who take things out of context will 
not work.

It is clear what Ron Paul stands for, and that he will never be a 
dictator as you are trying to make out. He does not have that sort of 
energy, nor the charisma, to be a dictator. You're fearmongering is 
laughable, and will go nowhere. It is a joke and you are making a 
fool of yourself. 

Ron Paul has the most consistent voting record and it is VERY clear 
what he stands for. I do not agree with him on everything, but those 
things I disagree with cannot be imposed anyway, and he is the first 
to say that. He does not have the right energy to be the crazed 
dictator you are painting him to be. What a joke. Slick 
politician ...LOL !

He is the same he has been for 30 years, same message, same energy, 
not slick and barely made it to congress, but when he did , people 
liked him. He was strongly against the Iraq invasion, and he is a 
pacifist for most wars. He has probably helped bring several black 
babies into the world as a doctor, and you call him racist ! He wants 
to end the war on drugs because it is unfairly putting masses of 
black people in jail. What have you done for black people? You're 
attempts to paint him as some sort of evil dictator are unbeleivable, 
and not worth responding to. Don't expect any more responses on this 
from me. 

OOOHHH YEARon Paul, the evil dictator telling everone what to do, 
and all the people and the military just doing whatever he says while 
he creates a racist dark society bent on the enslavement of anyone 
who goes against him. I can just picture it nowROTHFLMFAO ! !  !

Get a life man. You are wasting your time.

One good thing, they say that when Ron Paul is doing well, more and 
more people will start to attack him. So your posts show that he is 
indeed doing well.

OffWorld


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, oneradiantbeing 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Offworld: Ron Paul Calls for End to Drug War: 
 http://youtube.com/watch?v=o8S8N2OG7sU
 
 DS: Paul is is a polished politician and a better speaker than any 
of 
 his Republican contenders. He is also more erudite. Of course, Ron 
 says a few intelligent things, the most important one the immediate 
 ending the Iraq war. 
 
 But who Paul associates with is the real issue, along with his 
ACTUAL 
 voting record. Please read carefully and objectively my earlier 
post: 
 ABOUT RON PAUL: THE ENEMY OF MY ENEMY IS NOT ALWAYS MY FRIEND. Read 
 it two or three times
 
 One thing not mentioned in that article, though, is Paul's 
 association with the Rushdoony family. FYI, search John Rushdoony 
on 
 Wikipedia. You will find that he is the Guru of Pat Robertson, the 
 late Falwell, Hinn, Hagey, and the list goes on. Ron Paul's 
 Christianity is vile and hateful.
 
 My brief response to your videoclip is: don't take the bait. Read 
 what the left-wing bloggers have to say, not Ron's supporters, who 
 are now his faithful apologists. I placed three posts on today so 
 people can think deeply about Paul who CLEARLY is a racist and 
white 
 supremacist. 
 
 Remember George Wallace? He was a states rights man right to the 
 core. 
 
 Paul and his ilk are trying to return us to pre-FDR days. 
 
 Paul will take us to fascism through the back door. 
 
 This man is an absolute menace to democracy and will complete what 
W 
 started.

[FairfieldLife] Re: DS responds to Bronte Baxter about possible mispost

[matrixmonitor]

--Ramana didn't have a physically embodied Guru prior to getting 
Enlightened on 7-17-96; but he was born right next to a Shiva Temple 
and as a youth, spent a lot of time in Shiva and Kali Temples, even 
pouring water on a Shivalingam, then swimming in a nearby river.  
Thus, there was a Spiritual Transmission through the Temple Shakti.
 Around the same time, his Uncle met him at home, saying he had just 
come from Arunachala.  Although Ramana had heard of this place in 
the context of the Saivite mythos, he then realized it was an actual, 
physical place.
 The term Arunachala refers to a. Arunachala Shiva, b. 
Arunachaleswarar Temple, c. the Arunachala Hill, and d. according to 
Ramana, The Self.





- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, oneradiantbeing 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 DS: No, that was not written to Rick. I thought I was responding 
 to Hridaya Puri or Ron (I believe they are the same person), 
whose 
 name appeared at the bottom of the post (see below). Please explain 
 further, if necessary. Thanks, DS
 
__
 Bronte: DS, did you confuse Ron with Rick?/ re: DS responds to 
 response to Rick Archer RE: Enlightenment 
 
__
 
 Bronte: Dear DS: Are you responding to Rick Archer or to Ron 
 (Hridaya)? The comments below don't sound like Rick, and unless he 
 sent you these questions privately, it isn't him, because such a 
post 
 from him does not appear on the forum. You misconstrued me, Bronte 
 Baxter, as being New Morning in an earlier post. Are you mixing 
these 
 other two people up now? Please try to be careful getting the names 
 right when you quote people. - Bronte
 
 
__
 oneradiantbeing oneradiantbeing@ wrote:
 Please note. To save time, I am placing my responses in CAPS minus 
 the shouting. They easily distinguish my responses from the rest of 
 the text. Thank you for your understanding. David Spero
 
 OK Rick,
 
 Now asking in public so all can participate. 
 
 THANK YOU FOR THE INVITATION TO ENTER THIS DISCUSSION.
 
 I suspect that all of those that you know that you say are realized 
 have proclaimed this on their own without their Guru declaring 
this, 
 or they did not or currently do not have a guru, or they have their 
 own inner Guru- either in some form or otherwise.
 
 It does seem that enlightenment is also possible without the guru 
but 
 I think it is very rare. Even Ramana, from which this idea that it 
is 
 possible, had a Guru (acording to my guru- I think the name was 
 Archula). 
 
 HERE IS WHAT RAMANA SAID: THE SELF, OR THE ATMAN, IS THE GURU. HE 
 ALSO SAYS THAT THE SELF - OR GRACE - MAY GUIDE THE SEEKER TO FIND 
AN 
 OUTER (LIVING) GURU.
 
 I'VE NOT HEARD ABOUT RAMANA HAVING AN EXTERNAL GURU. PLEASE HAVE 
YOUR 
 GURU SEND YOU THE SOURCE OF HIS KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THIS GURU SO WE CAN 
 LEARN ABOUT HIM OR HER.
 
 You pointed out that among other functions with the Guru is telling 
 one to continue even though they think they have arrived. This is 
the 
 key missing element for those self proclaiming as above because a 
Sat 
 Guru in living form can quiclky see if there is further to go once 
 they are with the people for some time. That is how it works in my 
 path.
 
 AN APPOINTED GURU IS NO GUARANTEE OF AUTHENTICITY. ON THE CONTRARY, 
 SPIRITUAL LINEAGES AND MOVEMENTS OFTEN CARRY A LOT OF POLITICAL 
 BAGGAGE. AN APPOINTED, BONA-FIDE GURU - REALIZED OR NOT - IS JUST 
A 
 BODY WITH A REPUTATION ATTACHED TO IT.
 
 My experience with it is I have been with and read about both those 
 self proclaiming as above and also those proclaimed enlightened by 
 their Guru who also were proclaimed enlightened by their Guru in a 
 chain continueing upwards. The Self procalimed fell apart every 
time 
 under scrutiny. I have seen a lot in the last two years like this-
 maybe 20.
 
 AND MANY APPOINTED GURUS HAVE ALSO BITTEN THE DUST IN PUBLIC 
 HUMILIATION AND DISGRACE.
 
 THE PLAYING FIELD IS EVEN: NEITHER THE APPOINTED NOR THE SELF-
 PROCLAIMED HOLD ANY ADVANTAGE OVER THE OTHER. 
 
 It is a subtle difference by quite clear to me, with the aide of my 
 guru pointing out the diffferences. There is a value to it- keeping 
 holy company is wise, so good to make sure the company one keeps is 
 100% holy sometimes.
 
 HOLINESS IS MERELY APPEARANCE AND THERE ARE NO OUTER BEHAVIORIAL 
 CRITERIA TO JUDGE WHETHER SOMEONE IS ENLIGHTENED OR NOT.
 
 Some of these people screw others up in various ways. Most amazing 
I 
 saw was one with all the perfect words describing themselves as 
 enlightened. What came out once there was an association with Sat 
 Guru was this person was depressed, angry. and with violent 
thoughts.
 
 I'VE MET MANY PROFOUNDLY WOUNDED PEOPLE AFTER STUDYING UNDER HIGHLY 
 ACCLAIMED, APPOINTED GURUS.
 
 I just recently saw in person a guru proclaiming his disciples 
 

[FairfieldLife] The Millionaire Ayurveda shopkeepers

[bob_brigante]

I haven't quite figured this out -- are they saying you have to sell 
$50K a month of AV products? If so, only a few big city placements 
will do this well, I think.

*
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Transcendental_Meditation/

From: The Office of Dr. Benjamin Feldman
 
Dear National Leader,
Please give the following message to all the Governors and Sidhas who 
may wish to be full time in the Movement and begin to behave on the 
level of millionaires in the country:
--
The wish is for the Governors and Sidhas—the honorable Directors who 
will be now seriously taking the responsibility of the activity in 
their cities, in order to bring health and invincibility to their 
country, to begin to behave like millionaires. 
Full time Governors and Sidhas are now eligible for the new 
Millionaire Program. 
Concept of millionaire-ship can be seen as follows:
A millionaire with one million dollars at his disposal deposits this 
money in the bank and gets five percent interest—he will get $50,000 
in interest per year for his expenses. So about 4,200 per month will 
be his income. With this amount he will have a decent house of 
approximately $2,000 per month, $700 for the lease payments, 
insurance and gasoline of a good car and $1,500 for food, taxes, 
insurance and other expenses of the family. 
With this level of expenditure, every participating Director will 
start to live on the level of a millionaire from November 1, 2007. 
Those participating in the Millionaire Program will have $4,200 per 
month and also the salaries of two full time assistants at the rate 
of $2,500 each. The rent of a shop of about 250 sq. ft (store-front 
in a central area) and about 1,000 sq. ft. of storage and office 
associated with the shop, may cost about $3,000 per month, so the 
total expenditure per month per shop would be about $13,000 per month 
including utilities, telephone, etc. 
The winning point of the program is that every participating shop 
will be provided about $50,000 worth of Maharishi Ayurveda products 
(retail cost) every month and in addition about $10,000 will be spent 
per shop in national and state-wide publicity, so about $23,000 will 
be needed to cover all costs incurred by the local shop. This is less 
than 50% of the value of the stock. The policy therefore will be that 
50% of the sales will be allocated to the above mentioned expenses 
(and the surplus of this 50% can be kept by the local shop as a 
reserve fund). The cost of the products and its transportation will 
be paid from the other 50% of income from the sales. 
The full-time assistants for the shop will facilitate the 
participating Governor to further supplement the level of 
millionaire's income with the income from other programs of the 
Maharishi Invincibility Centers. The policy for income and expense 
for those programs will remain the same as it is now.
This is the outline for the concerned Governors and Sidhas. 
Please confirm to me within about one week (to [EMAIL PROTECTED]) your wish 
to participate in this program and the location and size of the 
specific shop and storage space you have selected.
Please include also your name, city, country and whether you are a 
Governor or Sidha and confirm your full time involvement in Movement 
programs (e.g. you may be associated with a Maharishi Invincibility 
Center and also open a shop).
Having received the proposals for implementation we will order the 
supply of Maharishi Ayurveda products from India.  Confirmed 
participants will then prepare the shop and, if ready to open, will 
attend one week of Panchakarma immediately following the celebration 
of Vijaya Dashmi—the auspicious Victory Day in the Vedic Calendar—and 
then open their new shops on November first. Those who take a longer 
time to set up their shops will start their new career from 
December.  
With best wishes for your participation in this new affluent phase of 
global administration for the health and invincibility of every 
nation.
Jai Guru Dev
Benjamin Feldman
Kubera/Minister of Finance and Planning,
Global Country of World Peace. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Millionaire Ayurveda shopkeepers

[george_deforest]

 bob_brigante wrote:

 I haven't quite figured this out -- are they saying 
 you have to sell $50K a month of AV products? 
 If so, only a few big city placements will do this well, I think.

this could work, if MAPI products became popular ... but only if
there is a -very strong- and -constant- TV advertising campaign
that actually *inspires* the average consumer. (like Apple iPod ads,
for example.)

 The winning point of the program is that every participating shop 
 will be provided about $50,000 worth of Maharishi Ayurveda products 
 (retail cost) every month and in addition about $10,000 will be spent 
 per shop in national and state-wide publicity, 

my guess is, this is by far not a big enough advertising budget
for the kind of sucess they are dreaming of.

[FairfieldLife] For those not enlightened here

[Ron]

Ok, lemme explain something- I had experiences meeting many that claimed 
enlightenment but it wasn't the case. My experiences were not good. Too many 
and too 
much stuff to write in this post now. As a result of the meetings for example, 
I was 
depressed at times, bummed out, and confusion was ramped, not only with me, but 
also 
the claimant.

The things I have pointed out in the previous posts regarding this matter of 
those self 
declaring, etc, can possibly be very usefull to some here down the road. If 
some 
predictions I heard are correct, this aint nothin yet compared to what;s coming 
regarding 
people stepping forward with the declaration of enlightenment.

Certainly Being is the core essence of what is there for all but none the less, 
my 
experience has been that I walked away in peace and clarity from those truly 
enlightened, 
and with confusion and depression from those claiming it that were not.

I have suggested ideas for what to look for. This means, if you are like me, 
then you will 
avoid this unprefered experience I am talking about.

Is there anyone else here that has had dealings with one claiming 
enlightenment, and then 
things ended up with difficulties? Having dealings means getting close, 
spending some 
time with that one, etc

I learned TM in 1978 and the first time I ran into anyone claiming 
enlightenment was 
2006. Then to my astonishment, they were coming out of the wordwork. By now, it 
is 
about 20, I have to make a list. The majority of these think they are 
enlightened but all 
indications point to this not being the case.

Hridaya Puri

Re: [FairfieldLife] Shri Adi Shankara raises and answers Questions

[billy jim]

What Sanskrit text or texts of Adi Shankara were these quotes culled from when 
composing this list?
  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  .



Shri Adi Shankara Raises and Answers Some Important Questions


__




What is the best thing a spiritual aspirant can do? Carry out his guru's 
instructions.

What must be avoided? Deeds which lead us into greater ignorance of the truth.

Who is a guru? He who has found the truth of Brahman and is always concerned 
for the welfare of his disciples.

What is the first and most important duty for a man of right understanding? To 
cut through (transcend) the bonds of worldly desire.

How can one be liberated? By attaining the knowledge of Brahman.

Who, in this world, can be called pure? He whose mind is pure.

Who can be called wise? He who can discriminate between the real and the unreal.

What poisons the spiritual aspirant? Neglect of his guru's teachings.

For one who has achieved human birth, what is the most desirable objective? To 
realize that which is his ultimate good and to be constantly engaged in doing 
good to others. 

What deludes a man like an intoxicating drink? Attachment to the objects of the 
senses.

What are thieves? The objects which steal our hearts away from the truth.

What causes the bondage of worldly desire? Thirst to enjoy these objects.

What is the obstacle to spiritual growth? Laziness.

What is the best weapon with which to subdue others? Sound reasoning.

Wherein lies strength? In patience.

Where is poison? Within the wicked.

What is fearlessness? Dispassion.

What is most to be feared? To become possessed by your own wealth.

What is most rarely found among mankind? Love for the Lord.

What are the evils most difficult to rid one's self of? Jealousy and envy.

Who is dear to the Lord? He who is fearless and takes away fear from others.

How does one attain liberation? By practicing spiritual disciplines.

Who is most lovable? The knower of Brahman.

How does one develop the power of discrimination? Through service to an elder.

Who are elders? Those who have realized the ultimate truth.

Who is truly wealthy? He who worships the Lord with devotion.

Who profits from his life? The humble man.

Who is a loser? He who is proud.

What is the most difficult task for a man? To keep his mind under constant 
control.

Who protects an aspirant? His guru.

Who is the teacher of this world? The Lord.

How does one attain wisdom? By the grace of the Lord.

How is one liberated? Through devotion to the Lord.

Who is the Lord? He who leads us out of ignorance.

What is ignorance? The obstacle to the unfoldment of the Divine which is within 
us.

What is the ultimate Reality? Brahman.

What is unreal? That which disappears when knowledge awakens.

How long has ignorance existed? From a time without beginning.

What is unavoidable? The death of the body.

Whom should we worship? An incarnation of God.

What is liberation? The destruction of our ignorance.

Who is not to be trusted? He who lies habitually.

What is the strength of a holy man? His trust in God.

Who is a holy man? He who is forever blissful.

Who is free from sin? He who chants the name of the Lord.

What is the source of all the scriptures? The sacred syllable OM.

What carries us across the ocean of worldliness? The lotus feet of the Lord - 
they carry us like a great ship.

Who is bound? He who is attached to worldliness.

Who is free? He who is dispassionate.

How is heaven attained? The attainment of heaven is freedom from cravings.

What destroys craving? Realization of one' s true self.

What is the gate to hell? Lust.

Who lives in happiness? He who has attained samadhi.

Who is awake? He who discriminates between right and wrong.

Who are our enemies? Our sense organs, when they are uncontrolled.

Who are our friends? Our sense organs, when they are controlled.

Who is poor? He who is greedy.

Who totally blind? He who is lustful.

Who has overcome the world? He who has conquered his own mind.

What are the duties of a spiritual aspirant? To keep company with the holy, to 
renounce all thoughts of me and mine, to devote himself to God.

Whose birth is blessed? His who does not have to be reborn.

Who is immortal? He who does not have to pass through another death.

When is one established in the ideal of renunciation? When one knows that Atman 
and Brahman are one.

What is right action? Action which pleases the Lord.

In this world, what is the greatest terror? The fear of death.

Who is the greatest hero? He who is not terror-stricken by the arrows which 
shoot from the eyes of a beautiful girl.

Who is poor? He who is not contented.

What is meanness? To beg from someone who has less than you.

Whom should we honor? Him who does not beg from anyone.

Who, in this world, is truly alive? He whose character is free from blemish.

Who is awake? He who practices discrimination.

Who is asleep? He who lives in 

[FairfieldLife] Re: To Off-World/ DS Spreading lies about Ron Paul

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bronte Baxter 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   That flaming Scottsman Off-World wrote:
   It is clear what Ron Paul stands for, and that he will never be a 
dictator as you are trying to make out. He does not have that sort of 
energy, nor the charisma, to be a dictator. You're fearmongering is 
laughable, and will go nowhere. It is a joke and you are making a 
 fool of yourself. 
 _ 
   Bronte:

   Now doggone it, Off, here you're doing the VERY thing you just 
told me was blatantly unfair: saying your argument is stupid because 
it's stupid, and you are stupid to boot. You are accusing others of 
the thing you yourself have just turned around and done. You're hurt 
and lashing out. It's time to stop and be 
civil.  
 


Yawn. (I'm hurt and lashing out..ROTFL ! )
Anyone with a rational mind would see it for that, a rational 
response to an insane irrational rant the purpose of which is to 
smear someone (Ron Paul in this case)

Go back and answer the points I made in reply to you in the other 
post instead of avoiding them.

Since when are lies about a person (Ron Paul) a form of discourse?

What do you do the rest of the day when not scolding people for being 
naughty boys on the internet?

OffWorld