[FairfieldLife] Bhaagavata-puraaNa, a commentary on Vedaanta-suutra?

2007-10-30 Thread cardemaister

There is no point in arguing that a materialistic man can be happy. 
No materialistic creature — be he the great Brahm#257; or an 
insignificant ant — can be happy. Everyone tries to make a permanent 
plan for happiness, but everyone is baffled by the laws of material 
nature. Therefore the materialistic world is called the darkest 
region of God's creation. Yet the unhappy materialists can get out 
of it simply by desiring to get out. Unfortunately they are so 
foolish that they do not want to escape. Therefore they are compared 
to the camel who relishes thorny twigs because he likes the taste of 
the twigs mixed with blood. He does not realize that it is his own 
blood and that his tongue is being cut by the thorns. Similarly, to 
the materialist his own blood is as sweet as honey, and although he 
is always harassed by his own material creations, he does not wish 
to escape.

Teh whole text:

http://vedabase.net/sb/1/2/3/en



[FairfieldLife] Championship Ghee Wrestling (was Re: From Margi Gunn)

2007-10-30 Thread TurquoiseB
Nice post, nice intent.

Thanks for the breath of fresh air, and of reality,
Rick. My condolences to Margi Gunn and my hearty
bon voyage to Dick, neither of whom seem to need
either my condolences or my wishes for their
continued well-beling. They both seem to be doing
fine.

But some of the other posters on FFL? Man, I'm 
starting to worry.

I mean, this is theoretically supposed to be a 
forum for 20-to-40-year meditation practitioners,
people who should, to hear them talk about their
respective spiritual resumes, have learned a
little something along the Way, and have a little
something to offer to others, who might just be 
starting out along their own Way.

And what do we have instead? The Out-Of-Control
Ego Wrestling Hour. 

Tonight's matches, beamed to you directly from the 
famous Hot Ghee Wrestling Pits in Fairfield, Iowa, 
will feature some of the sport's biggest egos, in 
a smack-down championship match to determine 
whose is biggest.

In Ghee Pit #1, we've got the TM Ego Team, vs...
well...vs. just about every other forum of spirit-
ual practice on the planet. In one of the other 
semifinal matches, in Pit #2, we've got the I'm-
More-Moral-Than-You-Are-And-If-You-Don't-Agree-
I'll-Lynch-Your-Immoral-Ass Team, up against...well, 
anyone who feels that they have the right to 
determine their own approach to morality. 

In Pit #3 we've got the match between the potential
authors. In one corner is the noted author of I'm
OK and You're Not, the supposed future bestseller
about everything that's wrong with the world of
spiritual practice, with no distracting suggestions
for what could be more right. She's up against the 
author of Secret Knowledge Imparted to Me By All 
of the Famous People In History Who Were Lucky Enough 
To Meet Me, in which the author tells us the inside 
scoop on Nazi Germany, 9/11, the building of the 
pyramids, Noah's Ark, and other events she witnessed 
first-hand. *That* should be a crowd-pleaser.

The fourth semifinal match, in Ghee Pit #4, is
between the God Freaks and the Atheists. This one
will draw a big crowd, because all of the God Freak
fans are terrified that the Atheists might win, 
and then they'd have to come up with an explanation 
for why God would allow such a travesty to happen.

The winners of each of the semifinal matches will 
face each other in followup matches over the next
week, to determine once and for all which team 
has The Biggest Ego Of All.

Meanwhile, Rick will continue to post a few *real*
posts like Margi's, trying to remind people what
they *could* be doing instead of Ego Wrestling.
Marek and Hugo will continue to post intelligent,
well-thought-out stuff, and no one will notice.
And a few people will actually, from time to time,
post something spiritual. 

The sponsors apologize in advance for these dis-
tractions. We're doing our best to eliminate them,
and to bring you only the top-flight Ego Wrestling
that you came here to see. With any luck Mister
Morality will win the overall championship, and
he'll organize a lynching and we can get rid of
these wusses once and for all and then Fairfield
Life will be All Ego Wrestling, All The Time, the
way the audiences seem to want it to be.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Dear Rick et al,
 
 My husband and life partner died suddenly three weeks
 ago. I could feel his bliss at being free while I was
 doing chest compressions, wondering if I shuld bring
 him back or just let him go into the wonderfulness he
 was experiencing and sharing with me. Nature took care
 of things for him.
 
 I just want to say that life can end in the blink of
 an eye, and we shouldn't waste out time playing
 one-upsmanship verbal games and insulting each other
 frequently the way so many people seem to do on
 Fairfield Life. Life in the relative world is
 difficult enough without having so called friends
 putting us down. There are so many better uses of our
 time, for service to others, for personal silence or
 contemplation, for meditation and program, for
 enjoying the beauty of the Creator's work. We can
 unstress or dump our bad feelings by pounding the
 couch instead of verbally or electronically pounding
 each other.
 
 I find that my time is better spent doing other things
 right now.
 
 Rick, thank you for your condolences and please post
 this note if possible.
 
 Thanks.  Love,  Margi Gunn





[FairfieldLife] 'Republicans No Show at Iraq War Heariings'

2007-10-30 Thread Robert
Wednesday, October 24, 2007 

The Growing Budgetary Costs of the Iraq War

Witnesses:
Panel I
Dr. Peter Orszag
Director
Congressional Budget Office
Panel II
Amy Belasco
Congressional Research Service
Professor Linda Bilmes
John F. Kennedy School of Government
Harvard University
Web Casts (2 hours, 53 minutes): Video (402mb) Audio (xxmb) 
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[FairfieldLife] Heaven will walk on earth - in this generation.

2007-10-30 Thread nablusoss1008
A message from Maitreya

On 27 September 2007 Benjamin Creme was interviewed for a television 
documentary at the Share Nederland Information Centre in Amsterdam, 
the Netherlands. At the end of filming, during a Blessing from 
Maitreya, the following message was given by Him through Benjamin 
Creme.


My dear friends. I am close to you now. 
Many of you have awaited My presence for a long time. I am about to 
step forward openly before all men, and to begin my outer mission. 
There is no distance between us. Know this. Understand this. 
When you ask Me through the `hand' or directly to Me for help, that 
help, you should know, is assured. It is possible that you will not 
recognize that the help has been given, but so it will be. Trust Me 
to aid you, for it is to do so that I come.

I shall exhort you to work with Me for the good of all.
This is the opportunity to grow quicker, faster than you have ever 
done before, and so bring you to the Feet of That One Whom we call 
God.

Be not afraid of the many problems which arise now almost daily in 
the world. These events are transient and soon men will come to 
understand that they have before them a future bathed in light.
So will it be.

http://www.shareintl.org


Heaven will walk on earth - in this generation.
- Maharishi



[FairfieldLife] UFO seen in British Columbia, Canada

2007-10-30 Thread nablusoss1008
UFO seen in British Columbia, Canada

Residents of a small town in British Columbia, Canada, saw a bright 
orange orb in the sky on the night of 9 September 2007. One witness 
in Sidney, British Columbia, said the object was shaped liked a 
jellyfish, and moved silently across the sky in a southerly 
direction. According to the witness, It was very bright, brilliant 
even; it pulsated slightly. The colour was not homogenous or static. 
It was very much like a glowing orange jellyfish. It continued due 
south over Sidney at an increasing speed and appeared to move south 
towards Victoria and then south-west and out of sight dimming from 
view.
The witness reported the sighting on a website, prompting another 
person who had also seen the UFO to come forward. The second witness 
said: We were standing outside in the front of our house and 
suddenly there was a bright light that came over the trees. I 
thought it was a plane at first, because it was so low, but there 
was no sound. It then curved around to the south moving very slowly 
and seemed to be getting higher and much further away … then it just 
disappeared. We knew it wasn't a plane, it was moving way too slow. 
People everywhere were looking up at this thing. I don't know what I 
saw, but it was pretty exciting. (Source: Peninsula News Review, 
Canada)

(Benjamin Creme's Master confirms that this was an authentic 
sighting of spacecraft from Mars.)

http://www.shareintl.org




[FairfieldLife] Ghost lights seen in Indian grasslands - UFO's seen in Bavaria and Holland

2007-10-30 Thread nablusoss1008
Ghost lights seen in Indian grasslands

Visitors to the Banni grasslands in India's Gujarat province say 
they have seen strange light phenomena on dark nights. The local 
people, who have reportedly seen these lights for centuries, call 
them Chhir Batti, meaning ghost lights. Indian ornithologist Jugal 
Kishor Tiwari has seen the unusual lights several times during 
visits to Banni to study the area's varied bird species. I first 
came to know about these during the study of birds in Banni in 
1990, said Tiwari. We were there to trap some birds … and were 
distracted by these lights. The light, which is as bright as a 
mercury lamp, changes its colour to blue and sometimes red. It is 
like a moving ball of fire, which sometimes stops or moves as fast 
as an arrow. On 5 November 2005 my team found these lights at seven 
places. We have shown this phenomenon to several experts including 
well-known American ornithologist Bill Clark. He was amazed and had 
no explanation.
Tiwari said that the lights can only be seen after 8pm on dark 
nights, and are visible between 2 and 10 feet above the ground. He 
said the lights almost seem to have a mind of their own. It's like 
the lights playing hide and seek. Even if you decide not to follow 
them, they can creep up on you. It's something like the light 
following you. This is not only mine but has been everybody else's 
experience here. 
(Source: http://cities.ExpressIndia.com)
(Benjamin Creme's Master confirms that these are devices used by 
space vehicles from Mars and Venus gathering local information about 
the quality of the air and soil.)

UFOs in Bavaria
On 25 April 2007 people in the federal state of Bavaria, Germany, 
noticed a remarkable object in the sky. It was a clear bright dot 
with several black circles rotating around it. The phenomenon was 
also reported by police patrolling in Illertissen, a village between 
Munich and Stuttgart, who could not find an explanation for it. 
After a while the object and circles disappeared as quickly as they 
had appeared. (Source: Tageszeitung, Germany)
(Benjamin Creme's Master confirms this sighting to be spaceships 
from Mars.)

UFO sightings in the Netherlands

Enschede, 15 July: On Sunday evening around 10.40pm I looked out of 
my attic window. I saw two orange balls of light go from the south 
in an easterly direction, both at a different speed. The two balls 
appeared also to change colour all the time. (Benjamin Creme's 
Master confirms they were spacecraft from Venus.)

Eindhoven, 15 July: I first saw a strong beam of light between two 
stars. I was lucky to see that light beam because it made me look at 
the sky and then a few seconds later the most beautiful thing 
happened: for about 10 seconds I could enjoy two `ships' flying in 
formation. As to their size they were smaller than a one-person 
fighter jet, there were no lights and no sound.
So, I really saw solid matter fly and not a beam or a ball of light 
or something like that. They were triangular in shape. I estimate 
the height they were flying at to be about 3 kilometres. The speed 
was difficult to estimate, but to give an idea: they flew from left 
to right in about 10 seconds. If it had been an airplane I could 
certainly have seen it for five minutes. 
(Benjamin Creme's Master confirms they were spaceships from Mars.)

http://www.shareintl.org



[FairfieldLife] Al Gores's win - a triumph for the planet

2007-10-30 Thread nablusoss1008
Al Gore's win – a triumph for the planet

Worldwatch, the global environmental monitoring agency, welcomed the 
awarding of the Nobel Peace Prize to Al Gore and to the UN 
Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) as a triumph for 
the planet and its inhabitants. Worldwatch issued a press release 
headlined Planet Wins Nobel Prize.
It is with extreme satisfaction that we receive the news that Gore 
and the IPCC have been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize, said Oystein 
Dahle, Chairman of the Board of Worldwatch Institute and a leading 
Norwegian environmentalist. Speaking from his home in Oslo where the 
Prize was announced, Dahle said: With their decision, the Nobel 
Committee has for the second time signalled that peace with the 
environment is an essential requirement if we are to have peace 
between human beings. 
Asked for his reaction former US Vice President Gore, whose 
documentary film An Inconvenient Truth won an Oscar at the 2007 
Academy Awards, said he hoped the award would bring a greater 
awareness and a sense of urgency to the fight against global 
warming. 
The Norwegian Nobel Committee said that the impact of the prize 
winners' work has helped to lay the foundations for the measures 
that are needed to counteract [climate] change. 
The Committee praised the contribution made by the IPCC with its 
more than two decades of scientific reports comprising the expertise 
of more than 2,000 leading climate change scientists and experts. It 
was such reports, said the Nobel Committee, which gradually built a 
broader and better informed consensus about the connection between 
human activities and global warming. 
Of Al Gore, the Committee said: He is probably the single 
individual who has done most to create greater worldwide 
understanding of the measures that need to be adopted.
We face a true planetary emergency, Mr Gore warned. It is a moral 
and spiritual challenge to all of humanity. Asked what he intended 
to do with his share of the prize money (in total $1.5m) Gore said 
that he is donating it to the Alliance for Climate Protection.
The IPCC report stated that with global warming will come storms, 
droughts, floods and increased natural disasters and so tax the 
world's food and water systems. These in their turn can be cause for 
conflicts over territory and resources. The world's poor, who 
already suffer from a lack of clean water, sanitation and food 
security, will be most directly affected.
Climate change is the greatest long-term threat to peace and 
security the world has ever known, says Christopher Flavin, 
Worldwatch Institute President. This prize marks another turning 
point for the climate issue – the question now is whether lawmakers 
around the world will rise to the challenge of implementing new 
treaties and laws that reduce the world's dangerous addiction to 
fossil fuels.  
(Source: Worldwatch Press Release; BBC Online; Nobelprize.org)

http://www.shareintl.org




[FairfieldLife] Re: UFO seen in British Columbia, Canada

2007-10-30 Thread hugheshugo
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:


Sounds like a chinese lantern. Made of paper, you light the candle, 
make a wish and watch it float away. Ethereal and quite beautiful 
actually, and responsible for a great many UFO sightings this year.

Try one for yourself;

http://www.wishesinthesky.com/?gclid=CI-Ej7qxto8CFQJaMAod7V91XQ


 UFO seen in British Columbia, Canada
 
 Residents of a small town in British Columbia, Canada, saw a bright 
 orange orb in the sky on the night of 9 September 2007. One witness 
 in Sidney, British Columbia, said the object was shaped liked a 
 jellyfish, and moved silently across the sky in a southerly 
 direction. According to the witness, It was very bright, brilliant 
 even; it pulsated slightly. The colour was not homogenous or 
static. 
 It was very much like a glowing orange jellyfish. It continued due 
 south over Sidney at an increasing speed and appeared to move south 
 towards Victoria and then south-west and out of sight dimming from 
 view.
 The witness reported the sighting on a website, prompting another 
 person who had also seen the UFO to come forward. The second 
witness 
 said: We were standing outside in the front of our house and 
 suddenly there was a bright light that came over the trees. I 
 thought it was a plane at first, because it was so low, but there 
 was no sound. It then curved around to the south moving very slowly 
 and seemed to be getting higher and much further away … then it 
just 
 disappeared. We knew it wasn't a plane, it was moving way too slow. 
 People everywhere were looking up at this thing. I don't know what 
I 
 saw, but it was pretty exciting. (Source: Peninsula News Review, 
 Canada)
 
 (Benjamin Creme's Master confirms that this was an authentic 
 sighting of spacecraft from Mars.)
 
 http://www.shareintl.org





[FairfieldLife] Re: Ghost lights seen in Indian grasslands - UFO's seen in Bavaria and Holland

2007-10-30 Thread hugheshugo

Hmmm... this lot aren't so easy to explain, probably just an alien 
invasion.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 Ghost lights seen in Indian grasslands
 
 Visitors to the Banni grasslands in India's Gujarat province say 
 they have seen strange light phenomena on dark nights. The local 
 people, who have reportedly seen these lights for centuries, call 
 them Chhir Batti, meaning ghost lights. Indian ornithologist 
Jugal 
 Kishor Tiwari has seen the unusual lights several times during 
 visits to Banni to study the area's varied bird species. I first 
 came to know about these during the study of birds in Banni in 
 1990, said Tiwari. We were there to trap some birds … and were 
 distracted by these lights. The light, which is as bright as a 
 mercury lamp, changes its colour to blue and sometimes red. It is 
 like a moving ball of fire, which sometimes stops or moves as fast 
 as an arrow. On 5 November 2005 my team found these lights at seven 
 places. We have shown this phenomenon to several experts including 
 well-known American ornithologist Bill Clark. He was amazed and had 
 no explanation.
 Tiwari said that the lights can only be seen after 8pm on dark 
 nights, and are visible between 2 and 10 feet above the ground. He 
 said the lights almost seem to have a mind of their own. It's like 
 the lights playing hide and seek. Even if you decide not to follow 
 them, they can creep up on you. It's something like the light 
 following you. This is not only mine but has been everybody else's 
 experience here. 
 (Source: http://cities.ExpressIndia.com)
 (Benjamin Creme's Master confirms that these are devices used by 
 space vehicles from Mars and Venus gathering local information 
about 
 the quality of the air and soil.)
 
 UFOs in Bavaria
 On 25 April 2007 people in the federal state of Bavaria, Germany, 
 noticed a remarkable object in the sky. It was a clear bright dot 
 with several black circles rotating around it. The phenomenon was 
 also reported by police patrolling in Illertissen, a village 
between 
 Munich and Stuttgart, who could not find an explanation for it. 
 After a while the object and circles disappeared as quickly as they 
 had appeared. (Source: Tageszeitung, Germany)
 (Benjamin Creme's Master confirms this sighting to be spaceships 
 from Mars.)
 
 UFO sightings in the Netherlands
 
 Enschede, 15 July: On Sunday evening around 10.40pm I looked out 
of 
 my attic window. I saw two orange balls of light go from the south 
 in an easterly direction, both at a different speed. The two balls 
 appeared also to change colour all the time. (Benjamin Creme's 
 Master confirms they were spacecraft from Venus.)
 
 Eindhoven, 15 July: I first saw a strong beam of light between two 
 stars. I was lucky to see that light beam because it made me look 
at 
 the sky and then a few seconds later the most beautiful thing 
 happened: for about 10 seconds I could enjoy two `ships' flying in 
 formation. As to their size they were smaller than a one-person 
 fighter jet, there were no lights and no sound.
 So, I really saw solid matter fly and not a beam or a ball of light 
 or something like that. They were triangular in shape. I estimate 
 the height they were flying at to be about 3 kilometres. The speed 
 was difficult to estimate, but to give an idea: they flew from left 
 to right in about 10 seconds. If it had been an airplane I could 
 certainly have seen it for five minutes. 
 (Benjamin Creme's Master confirms they were spaceships from Mars.)
 
 http://www.shareintl.org





Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Will Bush really bomb Iran?

2007-10-30 Thread MDixon6569
 
In a message dated 10/29/07 10:40:32 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I was  noticing Chris Mathews today, on 'Hardball',
Refering to: 'The coming war  with Iran'.
He used to work for Carter, and Peace Corps...
So, I don't  know whether he's being sacarastic, or what?



He's just thinking *positive*. It'll be something great for his  business.



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[FairfieldLife] The Master's article for Share International Magazine, November 2007

2007-10-30 Thread nablusoss1008
The Earth in travail

by the Master —, through Benjamin Creme, 14 October 2007 

It may be said that at last some men are beginning to take seriously 
the dangers posed by global warming and the consequent climate 
changes that this is bringing about. It is true that there is much 
disagreement over the reality and extent of the dangers, and of the 
best means of approaching the problems which are agreed to exist. 
However, there is no doubt that some men, at least, are recognizing 
that men face a formidable task in halting the progress of 
destruction and in stabilizing the environment. It is also true that 
even the most aware and concerned of men know little of the extent 
and complexity of the problems. 

The problem of pollution is such a case. Pollution takes many forms, 
some obvious and easily dealt with, if the will to do so exists. 
Some, however, require a science and a remedy as yet unknown to man; 
they are so toxic and destructive that they must be given high 
priority to overcome. The effect of pollution on the quality of air, 
food, on animals, and on fish, in rivers and the oceans, is known 
but largely ignored. The most destructive of all, that caused by 
nuclear radiation, awaits discovery by Earth scientists. The upper 
levels of nuclear radiation are beyond the present atomic 
technology. They are also the most toxic and hazardous to man and 
the lower kingdoms. On all those levels the problems of pollution 
must be overcome. This can be achieved only by a complete 
reconstruction of the present political, economic and social 
structures.

Ravaged
Man has ravaged and polluted the Earth, and severely damaged his own 
environment. Now man must see it as a top priority to remedy what he 
has hurt and so restore to health his ailing planet. He must learn 
to simplify his demands on the planet and learn the beauty of 
simplicity and the joy of sharing.
Man has but little choice: the urgency of the task demands immediate 
action; few indeed realize the true scale of damage already done. 
The question may be asked: can planet Earth be saved and by what 
means?
The answer is a resounding YES! and by means which involve the 
transformation of the present modes of living by the majority of men.
The paramount ambition of all so-called `developed' countries is to 
achieve an ever higher percentage of growth of their economies to 
become, thereby, richer; and, in an economic world based on 
competition, to attain dominance and power, and so enjoy a higher 
standard of life. This being so, the pillaging of the Earth, the 
cavalier waste of resources, is seen as only natural and necessary. 
This irresponsible action has at last brought Planet Earth almost to 
its knees.

Urgent
Maitreya, you can be sure, will not be long in addressing this 
urgent problem and in presenting His solutions. The first step, he 
will advocate, is the acceptance of the urgency which many today 
deny. Sharing, he will say, is the beginning of the process of 
change which will provide the answers to our woes and the 
rehabilitation of Earth.

(Read more articles by the Master)
http://www.shareintl.org



[FairfieldLife] When FFL Was Fun...

2007-10-30 Thread Peter
Remember when FFL was fun? We actually talked about
spiritual concerns with an occasional off-topic post.
Like a good party with your longtime friends with new
interesting people showing up from time to time. Now
it has been hijacked by outright paranoid nut jobs
with self-righteous egos the size of Montana. Ah,
those were the days! 


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is Flaming Evil not allowed here? (9-11 -- The Inside Job )

2007-10-30 Thread Peter
The only problem I find with America is that it
doesn't identify the delusional fast enough to
hospitalize them. Instead it offers them internet
access. Oh well. By the way, racecar spelled backwards
is racecar. Makes you think, doesn't it?
 
--- Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I did answer it.  And what makes you think I despise
 it? On the contrary, I love it.  America has offered
 sanctuary to many thousands and America has also
 sent many thousands to their deaths.  America has
 turned back ships of Jewish refugees, and with full
 knowledge sending them to their deaths.  America is
 more complex, apparently, and more deep than you
 would have her be.  And equally apparent is that you
 think me more simple than I am. a
 
 feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  
 Of course it was a serious question, and
 you chose not to answer it.
  You stated that US actions around the world
 post-WWII made Hitler
  look like a boy scout. Nothing you have said here
 has explained or
  justified that outlandish statement. 
  
  America has offered sanctuary to many thousands of
 people fleeing from
  all kinds of tyrannies. It offered you a chance, I
 presume, as a
  foreigner, to come here and make a success of your
 life. It offered
  you freedom. Why do you appear to despise it so
 much? 
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela
 Mailander
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   I take it, Show me the American Holocaust,
 please is not a serious
  question because I could show you, but I doubt you
 want to see what is
  going on under our noses right now in terms of
 America transforming
  itself into a military dictatorship and inflicting
 pain and torture on
  a significant number of our fellow creatures.  Are
 they really our
  enemies?  And if they are, are enemies created?  
 If so, who creates 
  them? and why?  
   
   In my opinion, the evidence that America has been
 creating evil
  dictators and concomitant wars all around the world
 for at least a
  hundred years is compelling, but I could be wrong.
 What would you
  conclude if you saw the same M.O. all over the
 globe, like a serial
  killer. You;d ask the usual questions: motive?
 opportunity? benefit? 
  what does the evidence tell you?  What have other
 great detectives
  concluded who have been watching this?  Do their
 points of  view come
  in schools?  Do they have axes to grind?  
   
   It looks to me that it's America's turn to become
 the locus of this
  energy which we have been calling fascist, but I'm
 cool with any name
  you want to suggest. Just who or what is America?
 Somebody's tool? 
  Autonomous? Who or what governs it? If anything.
 What is the energy
  that animates us, not as individuals, but as a
 people of a world
  divided against itself---who or what creates it? 
 Maybe the periodic
  fascist occurrences on the planet are like an evil
 spirit manifesting
  all over the place, and people aren't to blame for
 expressing that
  spirit, they have no real choice.
   
   But there are many ways to see anything.  What do
 you think is
  actually going on on this planet?  Do you think the
 planet is just
  fine?  Do you think humanity is just fine?  Do you
 care?  If so, why?   
   
   Do you think that periodic culling of a herd is
 necessary for its
  continued health and vitality and even survival? 
   
   You're an intelligent biological entity, 
   a cell in a computer called humanity, 
   incarnate on a planet, 
   at a certain point in history, 
   what the fuck do you see? 
   
   
   feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
  Try to
  write a post without mentioning Hitler. You kill
 your case by
overstating it. America in the world post-WWII
 makes Hitler look like
a boy scout? Show me the American Holocaust
 please.  

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela
 Mailander
mailander111@ wrote:

 The Maharishi effect and the reverse
 Maharishi effect are both
in the Bible, so neither concept is anything
 new.  
 
 I am not appalled by spelling errors or by
 fuck you's liberally
sprinkled in other people's prose, but the
 indifference I've seen to
the suffering and large-scale death America has
 inflicted world-wide
since 45, and which makes Hitler look like a boy
 scout, appalls me as
much as it does Edg.  America is just beginning
 to wake up to the fact
that she created Hitler as a tool in the same
 way she created Saddam
Hussein and a bunch of other evil dictators. 
 It's a familiar M.O. by
now, but wearing a bit thin in the world.  In
 1945, the Germans were
still ignorant enough to welcome the American
 army as liberators (as
Bush thought the people in Iraq should and
 would). Germans didn't
figure out till the late fifties what really
 happened.  So it's taken
another almost fifty years before there is any
 indication that
ordinary Americans are waking up to who their
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: hate America?

2007-10-30 Thread feste37
I have no interest in fathoming who you are. But this story, if true,
is a nice reversal of the usual one—being able to make money in China
but choosing poverty in America. But dear Angela, if you are so smart,
and you are continually telling us that you are, how come you cannot
make money in this great land of opportunity? If you are so smart, why
are you poor? Some terrible conspiracy against you, perhaps? A refusal
by others to recognize your great genius?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I find your accusation that I hate America nothing short of
astounding--just because I see clearly doesn't mean I hate. I already
told you that when I was eighteen I had a choice between wealth and
ruling class status in Europe and poverty in America.  I chose poverty
in America.  I had that same choice when I lived with my sister in
Europe.  And again I chose poverty in America rather than wealth and
ruling class status in Europe. When I came back from China, Homeland
Security put me through a five-hour interrogation in the presence of
armed guards and then gave me a choice: China or America.  In China I
had a successful research project close to my heart with enormous
income potential.  In just two years I had become known for it in
three big Chinese cities and in the biggest kindergarten chain in
China that was based in Taiwan.  I had friends I loved.  I had status
as a respected professional among my colleagues--other Chinese
universities were competing with each other
  to snag me.  My students loved me.  I had a great income.  And
there was even a man who loved me.  But when Homeland Security gave me
that choice, I once again and with open eyes chose poverty in America
over all that I left behind in China.  Do not presume you fathom who I
am by a few emails you only half understand which is worse than no
understanding at all. a
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] From Margi Gunn

2007-10-30 Thread Peter
I knew Dick Gunn for years. He took over the TM
activities in Fairfield County Connecticut after Rick
Archer. He was quite a character. He became a
chiropractor years ago. RIP Dick. I feel ya right now!
Ha!

--- David Hawthorne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 dear margi...
 
 thank you for your sweet postand very good
 advice.
 
 my condolences on the passing of your husband.
 
 best wishes,
 
 david hawthorne
   - Original Message - 
   From: Rick Archer 
   To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
   Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 5:04 PM
   Subject: [FairfieldLife] From Margi Gunn
 
 
   Dear Rick et al,
 
   My husband and life partner died suddenly three
 weeks
   ago. I could feel his bliss at being free while I
 was
   doing chest compressions, wondering if I shuld
 bring
   him back or just let him go into the wonderfulness
 he
   was experiencing and sharing with me. Nature took
 care
   of things for him.
 
   I just want to say that life can end in the blink
 of
   an eye, and we shouldn't waste out time playing
   one-upsmanship verbal games and insulting each
 other
   frequently the way so many people seem to do on
   Fairfield Life. Life in the relative world is
   difficult enough without having so called friends
   putting us down. There are so many better uses of
 our
   time, for service to others, for personal silence
 or
   contemplation, for meditation and program, for
   enjoying the beauty of the Creator's work. We can
   unstress or dump our bad feelings by pounding the
   couch instead of verbally or electronically
 pounding
   each other.
 
   I find that my time is better spent doing other
 things
   right now.
 
   Rick, thank you for your condolences and please
 post
   this note if possible.
 
   Thanks.  Love,  Margi Gunn

 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Flaming Evil not allowed here? (9-11 -- The Inside Job )

2007-10-30 Thread new . morning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The only problem I find with America is that it
 doesn't identify the delusional fast enough to
 hospitalize them. Instead it offers them internet
 access. Oh well. By the way, racecar spelled bpackwards
 is racecar. Makes you think, doesn't it?

And racecar is not the end of it! 1961 -- is the same if you turn it
upside down. And MMY first came to the US in 1961. 'Nuf said. Those
who get it will understand. Though many have struggled to keep it
hidden from view -- for the advantage of the 100 Families. But more on
that later.



[FairfieldLife] Re: Will Bush really bomb Iran?

2007-10-30 Thread boo_lives
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

  I was noticing Chris Mathews today, on 'Hardball',
 Refering to: 'The coming war with Iran'.
 He used to work for Carter, and Peace Corps...
 So, I don't know whether he's being sacarastic, or what?
 So, there is a struggle now, with those who want to bomb Iran, and 
 those who want to go a different way.

Matthews' more democratic days are long over - he was a solid bush and
iraq war supporter until you had to be idiot to continue supporting,
and will support war with iran if that is what his bosses at GE want.






RE: [FairfieldLife] From Margi Gunn

2007-10-30 Thread Rick Archer
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Peter
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 8:03 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] From Margi Gunn

 

I knew Dick Gunn for years. He took over the TM
activities in Fairfield County Connecticut after Rick
Archer. He was quite a character. He became a
chiropractor years ago. RIP Dick. I feel ya right now!
Ha!

He died of an aneurism at a family gathering with his brother-in-law Tom
Duffy in New Hampshire.


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: hate America?

2007-10-30 Thread Angela Mailander
If you have no interest in me, why make assumptions about who I am and what I 
love or hate?  I told you the truth. Circumstances are always complex, and I 
assure you there is no conspiracy against me. When I arrived at the L.A. 
airport from China, I had a return ticket in my pocket.  Homeland Security 
said, You can go back to China if you want, but if you do, you're never coming 
back here. When I got to Ff, I asked Congressman Leach if this was legal, and 
he said that it was, that they could have denied me entry.  I checked with an 
attorney specializing in such matters, and was told that people had been denied 
entry for no reason. So, I was here with two suitcases, no money, no place to 
stay, no job, and no job prospects, and a decision to make: Rich woman in 
China, or bag lady in the U.S.  I  I had two weeks to make that decision, and 
went for bag lady.  Smart does not necessarily mean money, as Americans seem to 
be convinced it does. 

I've never taught at any University, here, in Germany, or in China when my 
colleagues didn't respect me. I agreed at some point with an article that said 
American education had hit rock bottom.  I said we were all, including me, 
embedded in it, and I said my Ph.D. wasn't worth what earlier Ph.D. had been 
worth in terms of academic standards. People got their egos bent over this.  
When people hear that American education is terrible, even if they agree with 
that, they always want to talk about it as if it doesn't include them.  Absurd. 

The comparison between Nazi Germany and the U.S. is not absurd, but I'm done 
talking about it.  The extant information allowing that comparison is becoming 
more and more available in English, but you are not really interested nor 
willing to listen with an open mind.  Not everyone you disagree with is 
delusional, but wanting to hospitalize those whom you deem so (in your 
professional opinion), is something Hitler would have agreed with.  a

feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   I have no 
interest in fathoming who you are. But this story, if true,
 is a nice reversal of the usual one—being able to make money in China
 but choosing poverty in America. But dear Angela, if you are so smart,
 and you are continually telling us that you are, how come you cannot
 make money in this great land of opportunity? If you are so smart, why
 are you poor? Some terrible conspiracy against you, perhaps? A refusal
 by others to recognize your great genius?
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  I find your accusation that I hate America nothing short of
 astounding--just because I see clearly doesn't mean I hate. I already
 told you that when I was eighteen I had a choice between wealth and
 ruling class status in Europe and poverty in America.  I chose poverty
 in America.  I had that same choice when I lived with my sister in
 Europe.  And again I chose poverty in America rather than wealth and
 ruling class status in Europe. When I came back from China, Homeland
 Security put me through a five-hour interrogation in the presence of
 armed guards and then gave me a choice: China or America.  In China I
 had a successful research project close to my heart with enormous
 income potential.  In just two years I had become known for it in
 three big Chinese cities and in the biggest kindergarten chain in
 China that was based in Taiwan.  I had friends I loved.  I had status
 as a respected professional among my colleagues--other Chinese
 universities were competing with each other
   to snag me.  My students loved me.  I had a great income.  And
 there was even a man who loved me.  But when Homeland Security gave me
 that choice, I once again and with open eyes chose poverty in America
 over all that I left behind in China.  Do not presume you fathom who I
 am by a few emails you only half understand which is worse than no
 understanding at all. a
  
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RE: [FairfieldLife] Championship Ghee Wrestling (was Re: From Margi Gunn)

2007-10-30 Thread Rick Archer
I got some chuckles out of that. So what is it about FFL? Most of us have a
TM background. Is it that there’s little emphasis in the TMO on becoming a
nicer person, as there is in Buddhist circles and some other spiritual
groups? In fact, egotism is intentionally cultured, with crowns, titles, and
a pecking order determined by net worth. I remember a political cartoon
illustrating the “Reagan end run” in which thoughts would bypass that part
of his brain which, in most of us, edits and sometimes censors the nonsense
thoughts that might otherwise come out of our mouths. It seems that some
here suffer from the same syndrome. If they’re in a rage, or feeling nasty
toward someone, they somehow feel justified in venting it, and there’s no
indication of any introspection causing them to pause and consider the
consequences or even the legitimacy of their perspective. Maybe Emily Post
should be required reading for FFL membership.


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[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Flaming Evil not allowed here? (9-11 -- The Inside Job )

2007-10-30 Thread Duveyoung
Feste37,

Let's have a reality check here.  Here's your chance to nay-or-yaysay
the numbers.  Do you have the courage to look at these numbers?

Do you have the courage?

The Holocaust in WWII Germany cost six million lives.  Okay, that's
the standard.  Let's see if that bar is set too high for America to jump.

Do you agree that Saddam was put in power by America and that he
killed via capital punishment over 500,000 Iraqi citizens?

http://wais.stanford.edu/Iraq/iraq_deathsundersaddamhussein42503.html

Running total: 500,000 dead due to America.

Do you agree that over 600,000 Iraqis have been killed in the last
five years?

http://www.thelancet.com/webfiles/images/journals/lancet/s0140673606694919.pdf

Running total: 1,100,000 dead due to America.

Do you agree that the war between Iraq and Iran was sponsored by the
USA which provided gas and guns to Saddam who then used these weapons
against Iran and that one million Iraqi and Iranian soldiers were
killed in that war?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran-Iraq_War

Running total: 2,100,000 dead due to America.

Do you agree that more than 40,000,000 Native Americans have been
genocidally reduced to less than half a million today?

http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761570777/Native_Americans_of_North_America.html

Running total:  41,100,000 dead due to America.

Do you agree that being a slave is a living death?  If so, add
another 4,000,000 lives.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_events_leading_to_the_American_Civil_War

Running total:  44,100,000 dead due to America.

And for a mere 75 billion dollars every person on the planet could
have running clean water and electrification, but lacking this up to
2,000,000 children die each year due to disease. (Other estimates are
up to 30,000,000 each year, but let's just take the low number.)

http://www.prb.org/CPIPR/NewReleases/Cutler2005.aspx

Yet, BushCo just vetoed a mere five billion for the health of AMERICAN
CHILDREN.

Feste37, there's your numbers, there's your holocaust, there's your evil.

If you cannot counter the above figures, if you cannot feel the pain
of any of the families of the dead, if you cannot see that America's
psyche is completely comfortable with murdering innocents to get their
property, then your blindness is exactly the foundation that our
Killer Elite is counting on -- an audience that's sure to applaud when
the carnage splashes in the headlines in blood red ink.

If you come back to this post with one of your flames, then, yes,
again, the folks here with eyes open will see you as a sympathizer of
evil in the world today. 

Evil is subtle, but the deaths are countable. 

Here's how subtle evil is:  even you, Feste37, even you, if you were
traveling along a highway and came upon an auto accident with two cars
horribly ripped asunder and bodies scattered, even you would stop to
help, even your heart would be crushed by seeing, say, a toddler
crying next to an unmoving corpse.

Even you, Feste37, could not miss the suffering on that roadside.

But, evil can veil your sight, shut down your heart, and rouse a dark
purpose in your psyche if you cannot imagine that child to be an Iraqi
toddler next to a dead parent on the streets of Bagdad.  

Holocaust?  Yeah, I see it all around right now, throughout history,
and in your very denial of the deaths due to American actions.

Your type of denial is EXACTLY the rationalization process that allows
for one to be a guard at Auschwitz. 

And here am I expressing my rage once again, and Curtis and Turq and
Billy will suggest I see a doctor and get some lithium or something.

When Henry Thoreau was in jail for tax evasion because the tax money
was supporting evil, Emerson asked him, What are you doing in there?

Not that I am capable of anything so noble, nor that Thoreau was a
saint, but Thoreau replied, Waldo, the question is what are you doing
out there?

http://www.fff.org/freedom/fd0503e.asp

I wish I could rise to Thoreau's level of conscience.  The denialists
in this group here seem only to deserve my futile lashing of their
mindfully created blindness about just exactly what the power and
range of evil is -- so, that's good news, eh?  If the denialists here
were any more deeply connected to evil, well, it wouldn't merely be my
over-the-top, rage puke that's hurled at them.  

Real life would speak to them directly.  Do you have ears, Feste37? 
Get ready for something louder to scream into them than my silent text
here.

Consider yourself warned Feste37 -- My challenges to you here are
nothing compared to the karma coming your way if you do not at the
least attempt to resist the evil of denying the suffering of others.  

Feste27 -- here's a typical child doing something special -- note not
her skills but her spirit.  All children have this spirit.

http://br.video.yahoo.com/video/play?ei=UTF-8b=0vid=1364800gid=1088378

There is a joie de vivre inherent in every newborn, and it's seen in
this one child's display.  Protecting this 

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: hate America?

2007-10-30 Thread Rick Archer
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Angela Mailander
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 9:50 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: hate America?

 

If you have no interest in me, why make assumptions about who I am and what
I love or hate?  I told you the truth. Circumstances are always complex, and
I assure you there is no conspiracy against me. When I arrived at the L.A.
airport from China, I had a return ticket in my pocket.  Homeland Security
said, You can go back to China if you want, but if you do, you're never
coming back here. When I got to Ff, I asked Congressman Leach if this was
legal, and he said that it was, that they could have denied me entry

What nationality are you, German?


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[FairfieldLife] Re: Will Bush really bomb Iran?

2007-10-30 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel babajii_99@
 wrote:
 
   I was noticing Chris Mathews today, on 'Hardball',
  Refering to: 'The coming war with Iran'.
  He used to work for Carter, and Peace Corps...
  So, I don't know whether he's being sacarastic, or what?
  So, there is a struggle now, with those who want to bomb
  Iran, and those who want to go a different way.
 
 Matthews' more democratic days are long over - he was a solid
 bush and iraq war supporter until you had to be idiot to continue
 supporting, and will support war with iran if that is what his
 bosses at GE want.

Nobody loathes Chris Matthews more than I do.
He's always had a man-crush on Bush for some
unfathomable reason, but he was, in fact,
outspoken against the Iraq war from the
beginning, one of the very few broadcasters who
were. I'd be flabbergasted if he supported a
war now with Iran.

For his opposition to the Iraq war, see this
interview with Salon.com from February 2003
(before the invasion):

http://tinyurl.com/34syne

(You'll need to watch a brief ad unless you're a
subscriber.)

Money quote:

And on the war, I think my numbers would be a lot higher
if I were out there beating the drum for this war. In fact,
I don't think it, I know it. But I can't be for the war. I
can't find a reason to be for this war. I've looked, and I
can't, so Im not. The people who are backing this war are
more interested in their own ideology than what's good for
the country. It's not about America. Which is scary. 

In other parts of the interview, he nails
the reasons why it was a bad idea; he foresaw
them before most people did. And everything he
predicted has come to pass.

As repellent a personality as he is, you have
to give him credit for his stance on the war.




[FairfieldLife] Re: hate America?

2007-10-30 Thread feste37
Bag lady, huh? Well, you certainly seem to have a lot of baggage. You
almost got through this post without mentioning Hitler, until you
stumbled at the last. This reminds me a little of Rudy G., who can't
seem to open his mouth without mentioning 9/11. Oh well, I guess we
all have our obsessions.  

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 If you have no interest in me, why make assumptions about who I am
and what I love or hate?  I told you the truth. Circumstances are
always complex, and I assure you there is no conspiracy against me.
When I arrived at the L.A. airport from China, I had a return ticket
in my pocket.  Homeland Security said, You can go back to China if
you want, but if you do, you're never coming back here. When I got to
Ff, I asked Congressman Leach if this was legal, and he said that it
was, that they could have denied me entry.  I checked with an attorney
specializing in such matters, and was told that people had been denied
entry for no reason. So, I was here with two suitcases, no money, no
place to stay, no job, and no job prospects, and a decision to make:
Rich woman in China, or bag lady in the U.S.  I  I had two weeks to
make that decision, and went for bag lady.  Smart does not necessarily
mean money, as Americans seem to be convinced it does. 
 
 I've never taught at any University, here, in Germany, or in China
when my colleagues didn't respect me. I agreed at some point with an
article that said American education had hit rock bottom.  I said we
were all, including me, embedded in it, and I said my Ph.D. wasn't
worth what earlier Ph.D. had been worth in terms of academic
standards. People got their egos bent over this.  When people hear
that American education is terrible, even if they agree with that,
they always want to talk about it as if it doesn't include them.  Absurd. 
 
 The comparison between Nazi Germany and the U.S. is not absurd, but
I'm done talking about it.  The extant information allowing that
comparison is becoming more and more available in English, but you are
not really interested nor willing to listen with an open mind.  Not
everyone you disagree with is delusional, but wanting to hospitalize
those whom you deem so (in your professional opinion), is something
Hitler would have agreed with.  a
 
 feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   I have no
interest in fathoming who you are. But this story, if true,
  is a nice reversal of the usual one—being able to make money in China
  but choosing poverty in America. But dear Angela, if you are so smart,
  and you are continually telling us that you are, how come you cannot
  make money in this great land of opportunity? If you are so smart, why
  are you poor? Some terrible conspiracy against you, perhaps? A refusal
  by others to recognize your great genius?
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
  mailander111@ wrote:
  
   I find your accusation that I hate America nothing short of
  astounding--just because I see clearly doesn't mean I hate. I already
  told you that when I was eighteen I had a choice between wealth and
  ruling class status in Europe and poverty in America.  I chose poverty
  in America.  I had that same choice when I lived with my sister in
  Europe.  And again I chose poverty in America rather than wealth and
  ruling class status in Europe. When I came back from China, Homeland
  Security put me through a five-hour interrogation in the presence of
  armed guards and then gave me a choice: China or America.  In China I
  had a successful research project close to my heart with enormous
  income potential.  In just two years I had become known for it in
  three big Chinese cities and in the biggest kindergarten chain in
  China that was based in Taiwan.  I had friends I loved.  I had status
  as a respected professional among my colleagues--other Chinese
  universities were competing with each other
to snag me.  My students loved me.  I had a great income.  And
  there was even a man who loved me.  But when Homeland Security gave me
  that choice, I once again and with open eyes chose poverty in America
  over all that I left behind in China.  Do not presume you fathom who I
  am by a few emails you only half understand which is worse than no
  understanding at all. a
   
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[FairfieldLife] Championship Ghee Wrestling (was Re: From Margi Gunn)

2007-10-30 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
 I was thinking more along the lines of, If you think
 that you know enough to write a book, or to preach to
 someone else about how they should live their lives,
 you can't join until you get over it.

Says Barry, preaching to others about how they
should live their lives.




[FairfieldLife] Championship Ghee Wrestling (was Re: From Margi Gunn)

2007-10-30 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I got some chuckles out of that. So what is it about FFL? 
 Most of us have a TM background. Is it that there's little 
 emphasis in the TMO on becoming a nicer person, as there 
 is in Buddhist circles and some other spiritual groups? 
 In fact, egotism is intentionally cultured, with crowns, 
 titles, and a pecking order determined by net worth. 

Not to mention being the best and the highest path.

 I remember a political cartoon illustrating the Reagan 
 end run in which thoughts would bypass that part of his 
 brain which, in most of us, edits and sometimes censors 
 the nonsense thoughts that might otherwise come out of 
 our mouths. It seems that some here suffer from the same 
 syndrome. If they're in a rage, or feeling nasty toward 
 someone, they somehow feel justified in venting it, and 
 there's no indication of any introspection causing them 
 to pause and consider the consequences or even the 
 legitimacy of their perspective. 

I can't disagree with what you say here, but what
interests me more is that there are some who seem
to *feed* on losing control in this way. It's as
if the times when they are out of control and lost
in some over-the-top emotional moment are the highest
points in their lives, so they go out of their way
looking for more things to be outraged about, so
they can feel more of them.

 Maybe Emily Post should be required reading for FFL 
 membership.

It couldn't hurt. 

I was thinking more along the lines of, If you think
that you know enough to write a book, or to preach to
someone else about how they should live their lives,
you can't join until you get over it.





[FairfieldLife] Championship Ghee Wrestling (was Re: From Margi Gunn)

2007-10-30 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
 snip
  I was thinking more along the lines of, If you think
  that you know enough to write a book, or to preach to
  someone else about how they should live their lives,
  you can't join until you get over it.
 
 Says Barry, preaching to others about how they
 should live their lives.

At no point in his post did Barry suggest
anything about how others should live their
lives. I merely noted what I saw as trends,
and then cracked a joke. There was *zero* 
suggestion that anyone act on that inform-
ation in any way. (Original post included
below, to provide an example of what Judy
considers preaching to others about how
they should live their lives.)

It's interesting that you, a supposed editor, 
can't see that. Maybe this failing in you is
caused by some environmental biohazard near
where you live, and you should write a book 
about it.  :-)

I'm thinkin' that what you might *really* be
upset about is realizing that here it is only
Tuesday, and you're panicky because you've
realized that you only have two posts left in
which to trash Barry, whereas he has 20 more
in which to ignore your very existence.  :-)



Championship Ghee Wrestling (was Re: From Margi Gunn)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I got some chuckles out of that. So what is it about FFL?
 Most of us have a TM background. Is it that there's little
 emphasis in the TMO on becoming a nicer person, as there
 is in Buddhist circles and some other spiritual groups?
 In fact, egotism is intentionally cultured, with crowns,
 titles, and a pecking order determined by net worth.

Not to mention being the best and the highest path.

 I remember a political cartoon illustrating the Reagan
 end run in which thoughts would bypass that part of his
 brain which, in most of us, edits and sometimes censors
 the nonsense thoughts that might otherwise come out of
 our mouths. It seems that some here suffer from the same
 syndrome. If they're in a rage, or feeling nasty toward
 someone, they somehow feel justified in venting it, and
 there's no indication of any introspection causing them
 to pause and consider the consequences or even the
 legitimacy of their perspective.

I can't disagree with what you say here, but what
interests me more is that there are some who seem
to *feed* on losing control in this way. It's as
if the times when they are out of control and lost
in some over-the-top emotional moment are the highest
points in their lives, so they go out of their way
looking for more things to be outraged about, so
they can feel more of them.

 Maybe Emily Post should be required reading for FFL
 membership.

It couldn't hurt.

I was thinking more along the lines of, If you think
that you know enough to write a book, or to preach to
someone else about how they should live their lives,
you can't join until you get over it.





[FairfieldLife] new rajas today

2007-10-30 Thread boo_lives
Six new rajas are being crowned today - names below.  Ceremony is
being broadcast now at maharishi channel #3 at mou.org  

I'm told that you no longer need to attend a course to become a raja -
 just wire in the million dollars.  I'm amazed at how many people have
given a million so far - it's well over 120 by my count.


1. The crowning of Raja Steven Rubin, the Raja of China for the Global
Country of World Peace;

2. The crowning of Raja Emanuel Schiffgens, the Raja of Germany for
the Global Country of World Peace;

3. The crowning of Raja Bruce Plaut, the Raja of North West Vedic America;

4. The crowning of Raja Rafael David, Purusha Raja with universal
domain;

5. The crowning of Raja Richard Ross, Purusha*** Raja with universal
domain.

6. Also present is Raja John Fagan, with special responsibility for
food purity and for the nourishment of invincibility for the whole world. 



Re: [FairfieldLife] new rajas today

2007-10-30 Thread Sal Sunshine

On Oct 30, 2007, at 11:00 AM, boo_lives wrote:


Six new rajas are being crowned today - names below.  Ceremony is
being broadcast now at maharishi channel #3 at mou.org


It must be symbolic of something that only one of the names mentioned, 
John Fagan, is even  familiar.   They've got a whole new crop to work 
with now it seems.



I'm told that you no longer need to attend a course to become a raja -
 just wire in the million dollars.  I'm amazed at how many people have
given a million so far - it's well over 120 by my count.


PT Barnum reigns supreme in this crowd, just when you think it can't 
get any loonier.


Sal


[FairfieldLife] Re: new rajas today

2007-10-30 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Six new rajas are being crowned today - names below. Ceremony 
 is being broadcast now at maharishi channel #3 at mou.org  
 
 I'm told that you no longer need to attend a course to become 
 a raja - just wire in the million dollars. I'm amazed at how 
 many people have given a million so far - it's well over 120 
 by my count.

And the people of Fairfield have to raise 
money to buy the pundits some winter clothes.

Yeah, *that's* sure the Age Of Enlightenment
most of us had in mind when we first heard 
the phrase.

:-)

Let's do the math together, group. Six new
rajas, at a million dollars a pop. An estimated
$50,000 (in the latest begging press release)
to buy winter clothes. H...let's see...
how much would that leave for the TM movement
if they paid for the clothes themselves? 

5,950,000 dollars. As opposed to 5,975,000 
dollars given their plan to have the people
of Fairfield provide $25K in matching funds. 

As an example of where an organization's priorities
lie, I think this little math exercise speaks volumes.

Then again (trying for balance here, and to provide
the Deva's advocate argument), we're probably not 
aware of all the *other* expenses that the TMO has 
to pay for the upkeep of the pundits. It's possible
that they blew the whole 5,975,000 bucks already on
barbed wire to keep the pundits in their compounds.

:-)





RE: [FairfieldLife] Championship Ghee Wrestling (was Re: From Margi Gunn)

2007-10-30 Thread Rick Archer
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of TurquoiseB
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 10:55 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Championship Ghee Wrestling (was Re: From Margi
Gunn)

 

I'm thinkin' that what you might *really* be
upset about is realizing that here it is only
Tuesday, and you're panicky because you've
realized that you only have two posts left in
which to trash Barry, whereas he has 20 more
in which to ignore your very existence. :-)

Ah, grasshopper, but you didn’t ignore it just then. You, with 20 arrows in
your quiver, decided to let one fly, knowing that she’s only got two with
which to respond.


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[FairfieldLife] Championship Ghee Wrestling (was Re: From Margi Gunn)

2007-10-30 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ 
wrote:
  snip
   I was thinking more along the lines of, If you think
   that you know enough to write a book, or to preach to
   someone else about how they should live their lives,
   you can't join until you get over it.
  
  Says Barry, preaching to others about how they
  should live their lives.
 
 At no point in his post did Barry suggest
 anything about how others should live their
 lives.

You can't join until you get over it seemed
like a pretty clear preachment to me.

 I merely noted what I saw as trends,
 and then cracked a joke. There was *zero* 
 suggestion that anyone act on that inform-
 ation in any way.

Well, Barry, not only did you make such a
suggestion (quoted above), but your stock in
trade here is preaching to others about how
they should live their lives.

snip
 I'm thinkin' that what you might *really* be
 upset about

Looks like it's you who's upset, Barry.

 is realizing that here it is only
 Tuesday, and you're panicky because you've
 realized that you only have two posts left in
 which to trash Barry, whereas he has 20 more
 in which to ignore your very existence.  :-)

According to Yahoo Search, this is my 24th post,
so there's no way I could be upset about having
only two posts left.

And FYI, I wouldn't be upset even if I *did* have
only two posts left. I find my participation here
is a lot more rewarding if I'm not constantly
counting my posts and just quit for the week 
whenever I reach the limit.

Have you noticed, by the way, that the prediction
you were salivating over awhile back--about how I
would gradually get further and further behind
because at the start of the new week I'd have to 
first respond to all the posts I couldn't respond
to the previous week--has flopped miserably?

What's particularly amusing is that a month or so
after you'd made that prediction, you claimed it
had all come true--when it had not.

And you're *still* obsessed with the number of my
posts.

Oh, and by the way, I've made only two posts this
week (three counting this one) that were critical
of you.

This is a sickness with you, Barry. You really need
to get some professional help with it.





 
 
 
 Championship Ghee Wrestling (was Re: From Margi Gunn)
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote:
 
  I got some chuckles out of that. So what is it about FFL?
  Most of us have a TM background. Is it that there's little
  emphasis in the TMO on becoming a nicer person, as there
  is in Buddhist circles and some other spiritual groups?
  In fact, egotism is intentionally cultured, with crowns,
  titles, and a pecking order determined by net worth.
 
 Not to mention being the best and the highest path.
 
  I remember a political cartoon illustrating the Reagan
  end run in which thoughts would bypass that part of his
  brain which, in most of us, edits and sometimes censors
  the nonsense thoughts that might otherwise come out of
  our mouths. It seems that some here suffer from the same
  syndrome. If they're in a rage, or feeling nasty toward
  someone, they somehow feel justified in venting it, and
  there's no indication of any introspection causing them
  to pause and consider the consequences or even the
  legitimacy of their perspective.
 
 I can't disagree with what you say here, but what
 interests me more is that there are some who seem
 to *feed* on losing control in this way. It's as
 if the times when they are out of control and lost
 in some over-the-top emotional moment are the highest
 points in their lives, so they go out of their way
 looking for more things to be outraged about, so
 they can feel more of them.
 
  Maybe Emily Post should be required reading for FFL
  membership.
 
 It couldn't hurt.
 
 I was thinking more along the lines of, If you think
 that you know enough to write a book, or to preach to
 someone else about how they should live their lives,
 you can't join until you get over it.





[FairfieldLife] Championship Ghee Wrestling (was Re: From Margi Gunn)

2007-10-30 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From: TurquoiseB
 
  I'm thinkin' that what you might *really* be
  upset about is realizing that here it is only
  Tuesday, and you're panicky because you've
  realized that you only have two posts left in
  which to trash Barry, whereas he has 20 more
  in which to ignore your very existence. :-)
 
 Ah, grasshopper, but you didn't ignore it just then. 
 You, with 20 arrows in your quiver, decided to let 
 one fly, knowing that she's only got two with
 which to respond.

True. 

I was just dumbfounded that someone who
claims to be an editor could have seen what
I wrote as preaching to others about how
they should live their lives. So I got
sucked in by her troll and replied. My bad.

In truth, I think she only used two of her 
33 posts so far this week to trash me. I 
think that's a new record, and Judy probably 
deserves to be congratulated for it rather 
than chided.

Congratulations, Judy. May this trend continue.

Now back to ignoring her, and poking fun at
more currently-high-profile losers, like 
Bronte and Angela and Edg...  :-)





[FairfieldLife] Re: new rajas today

2007-10-30 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
 Let's do the math together, group. Six new
 rajas, at a million dollars a pop. An estimated
 $50,000 (in the latest begging press release)
 to buy winter clothes. H...let's see...
 how much would that leave for the TM movement
 if they paid for the clothes themselves? 
 
 5,950,000 dollars. As opposed to 5,975,000 
 dollars given their plan to have the people
 of Fairfield provide $25K in matching funds. 
 
 As an example of where an organization's priorities
 lie, I think this little math exercise speaks volumes.
 
 Then again (trying for balance here, and to provide
 the Deva's advocate argument), we're probably not 
 aware of all the *other* expenses that the TMO has 
 to pay for the upkeep of the pundits. It's possible
 that they blew the whole 5,975,000 bucks already on
 barbed wire to keep the pundits in their compounds.

Bottom line is that most of us on this
forum really *have* been there done that with the
angry Whiner mentality. We went through it for a
short time when we were first coming to grips with
our own illusions about our respective spiritual
paths, and we were probably *just* as whiny back
then as Bronte and Angela are now.

But WE GOT OVER IT, man. 30, 20, or 10 years ago.
And now when some newbie rolls into town running
the same act that we now find laughable in our own
pasts, all we can do is laugh at them, too.

--Barry Wright, 10/29/07





[FairfieldLife] Re: new rajas today

2007-10-30 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The two Purusha got to be a Raja with universal domain!
 
 It really can't get any better than this, can it? Universal 
 domain. For celibates they sure got a big pair on em don't 
 they?

The question for us Seinfeld fans is, Are they
*masters* of their universal domain?

:-)





RE: [FairfieldLife] Championship Ghee Wrestling (was Re: From Margi Gunn)

2007-10-30 Thread Rick Archer
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of authfriend
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 11:48 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Championship Ghee Wrestling (was Re: From Margi
Gunn)

 

According to Yahoo Search, this is my 24th post,
so there's no way I could be upset about having
only two posts left.

I’ve received exactly 35 posts from you as emails in Outlook. Sometimes
Yahoo burps and sends out duplicates, but I quick spot check didn’t reveal
any.


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[FairfieldLife] Re: new rajas today

2007-10-30 Thread BillyG.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Six new rajas are being crowned today - names below.  Ceremony is
 being broadcast now at maharishi channel #3 at mou.org  
 
 I'm told that you no longer need to attend a course to become a raja -
  just wire in the million dollars.  I'm amazed at how many people have
 given a million so far - it's well over 120 by my count.
 
 
 1. The crowning of Raja Steven Rubin, the Raja of China for the Global
 Country of World Peace;
 
 2. The crowning of Raja Emanuel Schiffgens, the Raja of Germany for
 the Global Country of World Peace;
 
 3. The crowning of Raja Bruce Plaut, the Raja of North West Vedic
America;
 
 4. The crowning of Raja Rafael David, Purusha Raja with universal
 domain;
 
 5. The crowning of Raja Richard Ross, Purusha*** Raja with universal
 domain.
 
 6. Also present is Raja John Fagan, with special responsibility for
 food purity and for the nourishment of invincibility for the whole
world.

Hey...what if it actually works and, you know, the shadow government
becomes the real government, wouldn't that be cool.




[FairfieldLife] Championship Ghee Wrestling (was Re: From Margi Gunn)

2007-10-30 Thread Duveyoung
Judy,

I give you ten of my rights-to-post.

Send me your replies via duveyoung at yahoo dotty commie, and I'll
repost them here.

Edg

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On Behalf Of authfriend
 Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 11:48 AM
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Championship Ghee Wrestling (was Re: From Margi
 Gunn)
 
  
 
 According to Yahoo Search, this is my 24th post,
 so there's no way I could be upset about having
 only two posts left.
 
 I've received exactly 35 posts from you as emails in Outlook. Sometimes
 Yahoo burps and sends out duplicates, but I quick spot check didn't
reveal
 any.
 
 
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10/29/2007
 9:28 AM





[FairfieldLife] Re: new rajas today

2007-10-30 Thread curtisdeltablues
The two Purusha got to be a Raja with universal domain!

It really can't get any better than this, can it?  Universal domain. 
For celibates they sure got a big pair on em don't they?




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Six new rajas are being crowned today - names below.  Ceremony is
 being broadcast now at maharishi channel #3 at mou.org  
 
 I'm told that you no longer need to attend a course to become a raja -
  just wire in the million dollars.  I'm amazed at how many people have
 given a million so far - it's well over 120 by my count.
 
 
 1. The crowning of Raja Steven Rubin, the Raja of China for the Global
 Country of World Peace;
 
 2. The crowning of Raja Emanuel Schiffgens, the Raja of Germany for
 the Global Country of World Peace;
 
 3. The crowning of Raja Bruce Plaut, the Raja of North West Vedic
America;
 
 4. The crowning of Raja Rafael David, Purusha Raja with universal
 domain;
 
 5. The crowning of Raja Richard Ross, Purusha*** Raja with universal
 domain.
 
 6. Also present is Raja John Fagan, with special responsibility for
 food purity and for the nourishment of invincibility for the whole
world.





[FairfieldLife] Championship Ghee Wrestling (was Re: From Margi Gunn)

2007-10-30 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On Behalf Of authfriend
 Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 11:48 AM
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Championship Ghee Wrestling (was Re: From 
Margi
 Gunn)
 
 According to Yahoo Search, this is my 24th post,
 so there's no way I could be upset about having
 only two posts left.
 
 I've received exactly 35 posts from you as emails in Outlook.
 Sometimes Yahoo burps and sends out duplicates, but I quick spot
 check didn't reveal any.

OK. I'll be going by Yahoo Search's number until
somebody decides to challenge its count, as you've
just done. It's usually either on the nose or very
close.

I know I can count on Barry to warn me when I'm
getting close, even if Yahoo Search is off, since
it's so important to him that he's willing to go
to the trouble of actually counting my posts one
by one.




[FairfieldLife] Re: new rajas today

2007-10-30 Thread BillyG.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Six new rajas are being crowned today - names below.  Ceremony is
 being broadcast now at maharishi channel #3 at mou.org  


Hey...they really do have tinfoil hats!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:TinFoilHat002.jpg



[FairfieldLife] The inability to tell opinion from preaching

2007-10-30 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote:
 
  I got some chuckles out of that. So what is it about FFL? 
  Most of us have a TM background. Is it that there's little 
  emphasis in the TMO on becoming a nicer person, as there 
  is in Buddhist circles and some other spiritual groups? 
  In fact, egotism is intentionally cultured, with crowns, 
  titles, and a pecking order determined by net worth. 
 
 Not to mention being the best and the highest path.
 
  I remember a political cartoon illustrating the Reagan 
  end run in which thoughts would bypass that part of his 
  brain which, in most of us, edits and sometimes censors 
  the nonsense thoughts that might otherwise come out of 
  our mouths. It seems that some here suffer from the same 
  syndrome. If they're in a rage, or feeling nasty toward 
  someone, they somehow feel justified in venting it, and 
  there's no indication of any introspection causing them 
  to pause and consider the consequences or even the 
  legitimacy of their perspective. 
 
 I can't disagree with what you say here, but what
 interests me more is that there are some who seem
 to *feed* on losing control in this way. It's as
 if the times when they are out of control and lost
 in some over-the-top emotional moment are the highest
 points in their lives, so they go out of their way
 looking for more things to be outraged about, so
 they can feel more of them.
 
  Maybe Emily Post should be required reading for FFL 
  membership.
 
 It couldn't hurt. 
 
 I was thinking more along the lines of, If you think
 that you know enough to write a book, or to preach to
 someone else about how they should live their lives,
 you can't join until you get over it.


Rick,

In all honesty I think that subsequent followups
to this exchange answered some of the questions
you pose above.

You stated an opinion. I stated one in reply. One
person saw that exchange of two opinions as 
preaching to her about how she should live 
her life.

If there is one thing that characterizes the TMer
in my experience (as opposed to seekers in other
spiritual traditions), it is the tendency to view
any opinion other than their own as an attempt to
preach to them or convert them in some way.

I honestly think that a lot of this comes from the
approach taught to TM teachers (Every question is
a perfect opportunity for the answer we have already
prepared.) and drummed into the heads of TMers 
in every lecture. TM teachers, like Maharishi, tend
to be *incapable* of saying, I don't know. They
also (like Maharishi) tend to be dogmatic in their
statements, implying that the answers they give to
every question are the definitive answers, the
correct answers, the Truth.

Therefore, when someone who has been exposed to this
for years or decades encounters an opinion that is
different from their own, they tend to think that 
the other person is doing what *they* do when they 
express *their* opinions -- attempting to state that 
their opinions are definitive, and correct and 
the Truth, and any other opinion is wrong. 

Some of us aren't. I don't think you do that when
you post your opinions to FFL. I don't think that
Alex does that, or Marek, or Hugo, or many others.
They're just expressing an opinion, one among many.
There is not an *ounce* of trying to sell these 
opinions in what they write, or of trying to con-
vert others to consider them Truth. They're just 
opinions.

These are the people I resonate with most on FFL.
Conversations with them are easy and wonderful, 
because nobody is trying to sell anyone anything.
They're just expressing opinions.

And yet many of the diehard TM believers see these
very conversations as provocative, or challenging,
or even as attacks on their beliefs. Go figure.

As a real followup to the questions you posed in
your original post, I think that part of the reason
that FFL degenerates into argumentation and noise
is that so many people were systematically *taught*
to react to any opinion that is different than 
their opinion *as if* it is some kind of attack.
That's the whole rationale behind being Off The
Program, that these people who have chosen to
believe something improper or wrong are doing
HARM to the faithful True Believers by holding
these erroneous opinions. They must be *stopped*
from holding them, and if they *can't* be stopped,
they must be Sent Away, where they cannot infect
the True Believers with their heresies.

Why is there so much argumentation on TM forums?
Because TMers have been *taught* to argue for the
supremacy and correctness of the TM dogma, and to
actively *suppress* any opinion that deviates from
the TM dogma.

This is my OPINION, and I'm sticking to it. At 
least until my next post, in which I might have a 
different opinion. :-) This OPINION is not intended 
as preaching to anyone, or as a suggestion as to
how they should lead their lives. If they get off

[FairfieldLife] Re: hate America?

2007-10-30 Thread Duveyoung
http://www.projectcensored.org/censored_2008/

Here's the censored stories that BigEvil doesn't want the masses
knowing much about.

Feste27, the minds that keep this knowledge from the headlines are
LIKE YOURS -- except, you know, you're a pissant they'd never deign to
have as part of their cabal since you don't have two IQ points to rub
together.  Wait, I'll take that back.  The intellectually challenged
deserve our love, but you are a mindful supporter of evil and you're
so bad at it that evil too cannot stand you. 

Yours is the face of the banality of Kali Yuga -- when every manner of
oblivious self-serving hideous rationalization is commonplace.

Edg

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Bag lady, huh? Well, you certainly seem to have a lot of baggage. You
 almost got through this post without mentioning Hitler, until you
 stumbled at the last. This reminds me a little of Rudy G., who can't
 seem to open his mouth without mentioning 9/11. Oh well, I guess we
 all have our obsessions.  
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
 mailander111@ wrote:
 
  If you have no interest in me, why make assumptions about who I am
 and what I love or hate?  I told you the truth. Circumstances are
 always complex, and I assure you there is no conspiracy against me.
 When I arrived at the L.A. airport from China, I had a return ticket
 in my pocket.  Homeland Security said, You can go back to China if
 you want, but if you do, you're never coming back here. When I got to
 Ff, I asked Congressman Leach if this was legal, and he said that it
 was, that they could have denied me entry.  I checked with an attorney
 specializing in such matters, and was told that people had been denied
 entry for no reason. So, I was here with two suitcases, no money, no
 place to stay, no job, and no job prospects, and a decision to make:
 Rich woman in China, or bag lady in the U.S.  I  I had two weeks to
 make that decision, and went for bag lady.  Smart does not necessarily
 mean money, as Americans seem to be convinced it does. 
  
  I've never taught at any University, here, in Germany, or in China
 when my colleagues didn't respect me. I agreed at some point with an
 article that said American education had hit rock bottom.  I said we
 were all, including me, embedded in it, and I said my Ph.D. wasn't
 worth what earlier Ph.D. had been worth in terms of academic
 standards. People got their egos bent over this.  When people hear
 that American education is terrible, even if they agree with that,
 they always want to talk about it as if it doesn't include them. 
Absurd. 
  
  The comparison between Nazi Germany and the U.S. is not absurd, but
 I'm done talking about it.  The extant information allowing that
 comparison is becoming more and more available in English, but you are
 not really interested nor willing to listen with an open mind.  Not
 everyone you disagree with is delusional, but wanting to hospitalize
 those whom you deem so (in your professional opinion), is something
 Hitler would have agreed with.  a
  
  feste37 feste37@ wrote:   I have no
 interest in fathoming who you are. But this story, if true,
   is a nice reversal of the usual one—being able to make money in China
   but choosing poverty in America. But dear Angela, if you are so
smart,
   and you are continually telling us that you are, how come you cannot
   make money in this great land of opportunity? If you are so
smart, why
   are you poor? Some terrible conspiracy against you, perhaps? A
refusal
   by others to recognize your great genius?
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
   mailander111@ wrote:
   
I find your accusation that I hate America nothing short of
   astounding--just because I see clearly doesn't mean I hate. I already
   told you that when I was eighteen I had a choice between wealth and
   ruling class status in Europe and poverty in America.  I chose
poverty
   in America.  I had that same choice when I lived with my sister in
   Europe.  And again I chose poverty in America rather than wealth and
   ruling class status in Europe. When I came back from China, Homeland
   Security put me through a five-hour interrogation in the presence of
   armed guards and then gave me a choice: China or America.  In China I
   had a successful research project close to my heart with enormous
   income potential.  In just two years I had become known for it in
   three big Chinese cities and in the biggest kindergarten chain in
   China that was based in Taiwan.  I had friends I loved.  I had status
   as a respected professional among my colleagues--other Chinese
   universities were competing with each other
 to snag me.  My students loved me.  I had a great income.  And
   there was even a man who loved me.  But when Homeland Security
gave me
   that choice, I once again and with open eyes chose poverty in America
   over all that I 

RE: [FairfieldLife] Championship Ghee Wrestling (was Re: From Margi Gunn)

2007-10-30 Thread Rick Archer
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Duveyoung
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 12:23 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Championship Ghee Wrestling (was Re: From Margi
Gunn)

 

Judy,

I give you ten of my rights-to-post.

Send me your replies via duveyoung at yahoo dotty commie, and I'll
repost them here.

Edg

Hey, this could become a lucrative business, kind of like trading carbon
emissions credits.


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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Belgium Declaration

2007-10-30 Thread mainstream20016
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On Behalf Of BillyG.
 Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 9:34 AM
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Belgium Declaration
 
  
 
 --- In HYPERLINK
 mailto:FairfieldLife%
40yahoogroups.comFairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
 mainstream20016
 mainstream20016@ wrote:
 
  The genius of MMY was presenting TM as a secular technique. MMY's
 Belgium Declaration
  of March 12, 1974 is key - wide and deep acceptance of TM results
 from presenting TM in 
  this manner.
 
 As an ironic sidenote, he made that declaration when he came to 
conclude a
 TTC that Jack Forem and I had been teaching in Belgium (Vincent 
Snell and
 Martin Karklins were teaching the Europeans, and John Gray and 
Clifford
 McGuire were teaching the younger Americans.

While very wary of spiritual practices dependant upon the presence of 
a charismatic leader, yet drawn to spirituality, I learned TM in 
Feb.,1974. 1974 was the pinnacle of TMs presentation as a secular 
technique. The TM movement at that time was devloping credibility by 
offering an authentic meditation that did not require religious 
affiliation. I am happy with my TM practice, and have no conflict 
between TM and my Christian religious practice. So many who could 
benefit from TM.  Hopefully, TM will again be taught as a secular 
technique, by a separate and secular organization.   




[FairfieldLife] Re: The inability to tell opinion from preaching

2007-10-30 Thread Richard J. Williams
TurquoiseB wrote: 
 In all honesty I think that subsequent followups
 to this exchange answered some of the questions
 you pose above.
 
 You stated an opinion. I stated one in reply. One
 person saw that exchange of two opinions as 
 preaching to her about how she should live 
 her life.
 
 If there is one thing that characterizes the TMer
 in my experience (as opposed to seekers in other
 spiritual traditions), it is the tendency to view
 any opinion other than their own as an attempt to
 preach to them or convert them in some way.
 
 I honestly think that a lot of this comes from the
 approach taught to TM teachers (Every question is
 a perfect opportunity for the answer we have already
 prepared.) and drummed into the heads of TMers 
 in every lecture. TM teachers, like Maharishi, tend
 to be *incapable* of saying, I don't know. They
 also (like Maharishi) tend to be dogmatic in their
 statements, implying that the answers they give to
 every question are the definitive answers, the
 correct answers, the Truth.
 
 Therefore, when someone who has been exposed to this
 for years or decades encounters an opinion that is
 different from their own, they tend to think that 
 the other person is doing what *they* do when they 
 express *their* opinions -- attempting to state that 
 their opinions are definitive, and correct and 
 the Truth, and any other opinion is wrong. 
 
 Some of us aren't. I don't think you do that when
 you post your opinions to FFL. I don't think that
 Alex does that, or Marek, or Hugo, or many others.
 They're just expressing an opinion, one among many.
 There is not an *ounce* of trying to sell these 
 opinions in what they write, or of trying to con-
 vert others to consider them Truth. They're just 
 opinions.
 
 These are the people I resonate with most on FFL.
 Conversations with them are easy and wonderful, 
 because nobody is trying to sell anyone anything.
 They're just expressing opinions.
 
 And yet many of the diehard TM believers see these
 very conversations as provocative, or challenging,
 or even as attacks on their beliefs. Go figure.
 
 As a real followup to the questions you posed in
 your original post, I think that part of the reason
 that FFL degenerates into argumentation and noise
 is that so many people were systematically *taught*
 to react to any opinion that is different than 
 their opinion *as if* it is some kind of attack.
 That's the whole rationale behind being Off The
 Program, that these people who have chosen to
 believe something improper or wrong are doing
 HARM to the faithful True Believers by holding
 these erroneous opinions. They must be *stopped*
 from holding them, and if they *can't* be stopped,
 they must be Sent Away, where they cannot infect
 the True Believers with their heresies.
 
 Why is there so much argumentation on TM forums?
 Because TMers have been *taught* to argue for the
 supremacy and correctness of the TM dogma, and to
 actively *suppress* any opinion that deviates from
 the TM dogma.
 
 This is my OPINION, and I'm sticking to it. At 
 least until my next post, in which I might have a 
 different opinion. :-) This OPINION is not intended 
 as preaching to anyone, or as a suggestion as to
 how they should lead their lives. If they get off
 on getting offended by opinions that differ from
 their own, *by all means* they should continue to
 do so. I'll continue to laugh at them, and that
 laughter is an opinion in itself. The laughter is 
 not a form of preaching; it's just an expression 
 of being amused.

You ARE the TMer, Barry. It's very amusing that you 
have an opinion of what the other TMers should be 
thinking. I'm offended that you'd laugh at the other 
TMers for being Off The Program.



RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: hate America?

2007-10-30 Thread Angela Mailander
what does my nationality or citizenship have to do with the price of tea in 
China?  Just curious. a

Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
  From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf 
Of Angela Mailander
 Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 9:50 AM
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: hate America?
  
  
   
If you have no interest in me, why make assumptions about who I am and 
what I love or hate?  I told you the truth. Circumstances are always complex, 
and I assure you there is no conspiracy against me. When I arrived at the L.A. 
airport from China, I had a return ticket in my pocket.  Homeland Security 
said, You can go back to China if you want, but if you do, you're never coming 
back here. When I got to Ff, I asked Congressman Leach if this was legal, and 
he said that it was, that they could have denied me entry
  
  
  
  What nationality are you, German?
  
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Will Bush really bomb Iran?

2007-10-30 Thread Richard J. Williams
jstein wrote: 
 Nobody loathes Chris Matthews more than I do.
 He's always had a man-crush on Bush for some
 unfathomable reason, but he was, in fact,
 outspoken against the Iraq war from the
 beginning, one of the very few broadcasters who
 were. I'd be flabbergasted if he supported a
 war now with Iran.

So, you agree with Matthews that we are in a war.
 
 For his opposition to the Iraq war, see this
 interview with Salon.com from February 2003
 (before the invasion):
 
 http://tinyurl.com/34syne
 
 (You'll need to watch a brief ad unless you're a
 subscriber.)
 
 Money quote:
 
 And on the war, I think my numbers would be a lot higher
 if I were out there beating the drum for this war. In fact,
 I don't think it, I know it. But I can't be for the war. I
 can't find a reason to be for this war. I've looked, and I
 can't, so Im not. The people who are backing this war are
 more interested in their own ideology than what's good for
 the country. It's not about America. Which is scary. 
 
 In other parts of the interview, he nails
 the reasons why it was a bad idea; he foresaw
 them before most people did. And everything he
 predicted has come to pass.
 
 As repellent a personality as he is, you have
 to give him credit for his stance on the war.





[FairfieldLife] Re: hate America?

2007-10-30 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 what does my nationality or citizenship have to do with the price 
of tea in China?




It has EVERYTHING to do with it.

If you are a citizen, they cannot deny you entry at all (well, except 
in extremely dire circumstances which would probably require a 
rescinding of your citizenship which I think has only been done a 
dozen times or more in U.S. history).

If you are NOT a citizen, the U.S. has no obligation -- 
constitutional or otherwise -- to provide you entry to U.S. territory.




  Just curious. a
 
 Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
   From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Angela Mailander
  Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 9:50 AM
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: hate America?
   
   

 If you have no interest in me, why make assumptions about 
who I am and what I love or hate?  I told you the truth. 
Circumstances are always complex, and I assure you there is no 
conspiracy against me. When I arrived at the L.A. airport from China, 
I had a return ticket in my pocket.  Homeland Security said, You can 
go back to China if you want, but if you do, you're never coming back 
here. When I got to Ff, I asked Congressman Leach if this was legal, 
and he said that it was, that they could have denied me entry
   
   
   
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[FairfieldLife] Re: hate America?

2007-10-30 Thread Jason Spock
 
   
 May I know why you left those lucrative jobs in Europe and China.??  You 
have not explained why you settled down in America.??  
   
  What kind of research were you doing in China.??

Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 17:43:43 -
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: hate America?
   
   
  http://www.projectc ensored.org/ censored_ 2008/

Here's the censored stories that BigEvil doesn't want the masses
knowing much about.

Feste27, the minds that keep this knowledge from the headlines are
LIKE YOURS -- except, you know, you're a pissant they'd never deign to
have as part of their cabal since you don't have two IQ points to rub
together. Wait, I'll take that back. The intellectually challenged
deserve our love, but you are a mindful supporter of evil and you're
so bad at it that evil too cannot stand you. 

Yours is the face of the banality of Kali Yuga -- when every manner of
oblivious self-serving hideous rationalization is commonplace.

Edg

--- feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote:

 Bag lady, huh? Well, you certainly seem to have a lot of baggage. You
 almost got through this post without mentioning Hitler, until you
 stumbled at the last. This reminds me a little of Rudy G., who can't
 seem to open his mouth without mentioning 9/11. Oh well, I guess we
 all have our obsessions. 
 
 --- , Angela Mailander mailander111@  wrote:
 
  If you have no interest in me, why make assumptions about who I am
 and what I love or hate? I told you the truth. Circumstances are
 always complex, and I assure you there is no conspiracy against me.
 When I arrived at the L.A. airport from China, I had a return ticket
 in my pocket. Homeland Security said, You can go back to China if
 you want, but if you do, you're never coming back here. When I got to
 Ff, I asked Congressman Leach if this was legal, and he said that it
 was, that they could have denied me entry. I checked with an attorney
 specializing in such matters, and was told that people had been denied
 entry for no reason. So, I was here with two suitcases, no money, no
 place to stay, no job, and no job prospects, and a decision to make:
 Rich woman in China, or bag lady in the U.S. I I had two weeks to
 make that decision, and went for bag lady. Smart does not necessarily
 mean money, as Americans seem to be convinced it does. 
  
  I've never taught at any University, here, in Germany, or in China
 when my colleagues didn't respect me. I agreed at some point with an
 article that said American education had hit rock bottom. I said we
 were all, including me, embedded in it, and I said my Ph.D. wasn't
 worth what earlier Ph.D. had been worth in terms of academic
 standards. People got their egos bent over this. When people hear
 that American education is terrible, even if they agree with that,
 they always want to talk about it as if it doesn't include them. 
Absurd. 
  
  The comparison between Nazi Germany and the U.S. is not absurd, but
 I'm done talking about it. The extant information allowing that
 comparison is becoming more and more available in English, but you are
 not really interested nor willing to listen with an open mind. Not
 everyone you disagree with is delusional, but wanting to hospitalize
 those whom you deem so (in your professional opinion), is something
 Hitler would have agreed with. a
  
  feste37 feste37@ wrote: 
  I have no interest in fathoming who you are. But this story, if true,
  is a nice reversal of the usual one—being able to make money in China
  but choosing poverty in America. But dear Angela, if you are so smart,
  and you are continually telling us that you are, how come you cannot
  make money in this great land of opportunity? If you are so smart, why are 
  you poor? Some terrible conspiracy against you, perhaps? A refusal  by 
  others to recognize your great genius?
  
  ---  Angela Mailander  mailander111@  wrote:
  
   I find your accusation that I hate America nothing short of
  astounding-- just because I see clearly doesn't mean I hate. I already
  told you that when I was eighteen I had a choice between wealth and
  ruling class status in Europe and poverty in America. I chose poverty
  in America. I had that same choice when I lived with my sister in
  Europe. And again I chose poverty in America rather than wealth and
  ruling class status in Europe. When I came back from China, Homeland
  Security put me through a five-hour interrogation in the presence of
  armed guards and then gave me a choice: China or America. In China I
  had a successful research project close to my heart with enormous
  income potential. In just two years I had become known for it in
  three big Chinese cities and in the biggest kindergarten chain in
  China that was based in Taiwan. I had friends I loved. I had status
  as a respected professional among my colleagues-- other Chinese
  universities were competing with each other
   to snag me. My students loved me. I had a great income. And
  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: hate America?

2007-10-30 Thread Angela Mailander
The establishment of the Department of Homeland Security changed some of the 
laws regarding who could and who could not be denied entry.  Congressman Leach 
informed me in writing that it was now up to the discretion of the individual 
agent at the port of entry.

Before the establishment of the Department of Homeland Security, legal 
residents could not be denied entry if their papers were in order.  Now, anyone 
can be disappeared, since Habeas Corpus is down the tubes, and whether or not 
you are a citizen has nothing to do with that.  a  

shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   --- In 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  what does my nationality or citizenship have to do with the price 
 of tea in China?
 
 It has EVERYTHING to do with it.
 
 If you are a citizen, they cannot deny you entry at all (well, except 
 in extremely dire circumstances which would probably require a 
 rescinding of your citizenship which I think has only been done a 
 dozen times or more in U.S. history).
 
 If you are NOT a citizen, the U.S. has no obligation -- 
 constitutional or otherwise -- to provide you entry to U.S. territory.
 
   Just curious. a
  
  Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Angela Mailander
   Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 9:50 AM
   To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
   Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: hate America?


 
  If you have no interest in me, why make assumptions about 
 who I am and what I love or hate?  I told you the truth. 
 Circumstances are always complex, and I assure you there is no 
 conspiracy against me. When I arrived at the L.A. airport from China, 
 I had a return ticket in my pocket.  Homeland Security said, You can 
 go back to China if you want, but if you do, you're never coming back 
 here. When I got to Ff, I asked Congressman Leach if this was legal, 
 and he said that it was, that they could have denied me entry



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[FairfieldLife] Re: new rajas today

2007-10-30 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The two Purusha got to be a Raja with universal domain!
 
 It really can't get any better than this, can it?  Universal domain. 
 For celibates they sure got a big pair on em don't they?
 
I don't see it as a proclamation of their current status, so much as a 
very public can't-weasel-out-of-it-now statement about their 
objective. That's some heavy learning they have signed up for. I 
applaud them for it, costumes and all. Not my trip personally, but 
yeah I think it takes some sizable cajones to take that on, probably  
a much bigger task than they realize today.



RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: hate America?

2007-10-30 Thread Rick Archer
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Angela Mailander
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 1:45 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: hate America?

 

what does my nationality or citizenship have to do with the price of tea in
China?  Just curious. A

I was just curious.


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: hate America?

2007-10-30 Thread Angela Mailander
On both occasion in which I chose the U.S. over Europe, I did not leave 
lucrative jobs behind. Wealth generally does not come from jobs.  But when I 
decided to remain in the U.S. rather than return to my situation in China, I 
did leave a great deal behind.  My decision was a matter of listening to the 
deepest aspects of myself that I can hear, and it required some courage to heed 
that voice since, as I said, all I had was two suitcases.  Any story about why 
I chose to obey that voice would be just that, a story after the fact.  And I 
could tell a bunch.  No lack of stories in my life.  Why I chose to remain in 
America is a complex question, and I doubt I could do it justice in an email.  
Moreover, I do not believe that causation is only in the past. The ultimate 
understanding of why I made that choice may lie in the future. I often do have 
accurate visions of the future, but, equally often, all I get is a You'll 
see.  

I did educational research in China. It was successful far beyond even my own 
expectations, and I expected a lot. a  

Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   
 
   
 May I know why you left those lucrative jobs in Europe and China.??  You 
have not explained why you settled down in America.??  
   
  What kind of research were you doing in China.??

Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 17:43:43 -
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: hate America?
   
   
  http://www.projectc ensored.org/ censored_ 2008/

Here's the censored stories that BigEvil  doesn't want the masses
knowing much about.

Feste27, the minds that keep this knowledge from the headlines are
LIKE YOURS -- except, you know, you're a pissant they'd never deign to
have as part of their cabal since you don't have two IQ points to rub
together. Wait, I'll take that back. The intellectually challenged
deserve our love, but you are a mindful supporter of evil and you're
so bad at it that evil too cannot stand you. 

Yours is the face of the banality of Kali Yuga -- when every manner of
oblivious self-serving hideous rationalization is commonplace.

Edg

--- feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote:

 Bag lady, huh? Well, you certainly seem to have a lot of baggage. You
 almost got through this post without mentioning Hitler, until you
 stumbled at the last. This reminds me a little of Rudy G., who can't
 seem to open his mouth without mentioning 9/11. Oh  well, I guess we
 all have our obsessions. 
 
 --- , Angela Mailander mailander111@  wrote:
 
  If you have no interest in me, why make assumptions about who I am
 and what I love or hate? I told you the truth. Circumstances are
 always complex, and I assure you there is no conspiracy against me.
 When I arrived at the L.A. airport from China, I had a return ticket
 in my pocket. Homeland Security said, You can go back to China if
 you want, but if  you do, you're never coming back here. When I got to
 Ff, I asked Congressman Leach if this was legal, and he said that it
 was, that they could have denied me entry. I checked with an attorney
 specializing in such matters, and was told that people had been denied
 entry for no reason. So, I was here with two suitcases, no money, no
 place to stay, no job, and no job prospects, and a decision to make:
 Rich woman in China, or bag lady in the U.S. I I had two weeks to
 make that decision, and went for bag lady. Smart does not necessarily
 mean money, as Americans seem to be convinced it does. 
  
  I've never taught at any University, here, in Germany, or in China
 when my colleagues didn't respect me. I agreed at some point with an
 article that said American education had hit rock bottom. I said we
 were all, including me, embedded in it, and I said my Ph.D. wasn't
 worth what earlier Ph.D. had been worth in terms of academic
 standards. People got their egos bent over this. When people hear
 that American education is terrible, even if they agree with that,
 they always want to talk about it as if it doesn't include them. 
Absurd. 
  
  The comparison between Nazi Germany and the U.S. is not absurd, but
 I'm done talking about it. The extant information allowing that
 comparison is becoming more and more available in English, but you are
 not really interested nor willing to listen with an open mind. Not
 everyone you disagree with is  delusional, but wanting to hospitalize
 those whom you deem so (in your professional opinion), is something
 Hitler would have agreed with. a
  
  feste37 feste37@ wrote: 
  I have no interest in fathoming who you are. But this story, if true,
  is a nice reversal of the usual one—being able to make money in China
  but choosing poverty in America. But dear Angela, if you are so smart,
  and you are continually telling us that you are, how come you cannot
  make money in this great land of opportunity? If you are so smart, why are 
  you poor? Some terrible conspiracy against you, perhaps? A refusal  by 
  others to recognize your great 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: hate America?

2007-10-30 Thread Bhairitu
I think he is asking if you have American citizenship which in that case 
it would be very outrageous to deny you entry back into the country.  
But even detaining a foreigner for 5 hours is rather outrageous.  But 
then the Homeland Security people I've seen probably couldn't even get a 
job flipping burgers otherwise.

Angela Mailander wrote:
 what does my nationality or citizenship have to do with the price of tea in 
 China?  Just curious. a

 Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
   From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf 
 Of Angela Mailander
  Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 9:50 AM
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: hate America?
   
   

 If you have no interest in me, why make assumptions about who I am 
 and what I love or hate?  I told you the truth. Circumstances are always 
 complex, and I assure you there is no conspiracy against me. When I arrived 
 at the L.A. airport from China, I had a return ticket in my pocket.  Homeland 
 Security said, You can go back to China if you want, but if you do, you're 
 never coming back here. When I got to Ff, I asked Congressman Leach if this 
 was legal, and he said that it was, that they could have denied me entry
   
   
   
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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Belgium Declaration

2007-10-30 Thread BillyG.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

snip
 While very wary of spiritual practices dependant upon the presence of 
 a charismatic leader, yet drawn to spirituality, I learned TM in 
 Feb.,1974. 1974 was the pinnacle of TMs presentation as a secular 
 technique. The TM movement at that time was devloping credibility by 
 offering an authentic meditation that did not require religious 
 affiliation. I am happy with my TM practice, and have no conflict 
 between TM and my Christian religious practice. So many who could 
 benefit from TM.  Hopefully, TM will again be taught as a secular 
 technique, by a separate and secular organization.


I could create some for you if you wish, I mean the Pope, come on! :-)
 BTW, TM has been taught as a secular science (without ethics) and
look at what's happened..it's become science *in lieu of*
Religion, (for many) not a good idea at all especially since all the
components of TM are not there since it had to be compromised in order
to teach it as a science. 

TM could successfully be called and promoted as a *Religious Science*
IMO, and that would be honest.




Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 9-11 -- The Inside Job was merely a blip (snip .... thought police)

2007-10-30 Thread Bhairitu
It's good to look at 9-11 like a mystery movie.  It would be like one of 
those movies were a dirty cop kills some innocent person and an equally 
corrupt police force covers up for him.  In the process private 
detectives and journalists begin to uncover what really went on.  Of 
course the corrupt police hassles them and try to throw them off as they 
get too close to the truth.

Likewise if 9-11 were an inside job then of course they it would make 
perfect sense that the perpetrators would use disinformation to throw 
9-11 truthers off course.   Many of the 9-11 truth people go to great 
pains to filter out disinformation and incorrect evidence.  They're not 
going to be perfect but neither are the perps.  Time will tell.

authfriend wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 Actually, Ari Fleischer, the press secretary,
 revealed it the next day at a press
 conference. It was relayed to the Bush folks
 after Air Force One had taken off, not at the
 school. And the code name wasn't secret;
 it had been published numerous times.
   
   
 Whatever.  It was around that time.  Neither did I say it
 was a secret code word.
 

 No, you didn't, but Tarpley does, and administration
 shills do as well.
   
On what page of 9/11 Synthetic Terror does Tarpley say that?  I don't 
see it.
   
 Moreover, it turned out to have been a
 misunderstanding all along, in the chaos after
 the attacks. The White House has promoted it as
 an excuse for Air Force One's aimlessness and
 for Bush not coming back to D.C. right away.

 So much for your guy's thorough documentation.
   
   
 So you believe the Bush administration?
 

 Huh? Do I believe it was a legitimate threat?

 Did you read what I wrote?
   
Did you read what I wrote?  The source on that would have had to be the 
Bush administration which is known for cover-ups and lies.
   
 Find those WMDs yet?
 

 Complete non sequitur. Am I making you a little
 nervous?
   
No it isn't a non sequitur.  It is a joke, obviously.  You make me 
nervous?  Hardly, you're being delusional.
   
 I can understand that some people don't want to entertain the
 idea that official 9-11 was cover because that would mean they
 are living under a hostile regime.
 
 Guess what, Bhairitu? Some of us have been well
 aware for some years that we're living under a
 hostile regime, and we *still* think the 9/11
 conspiracy theories are bunkum. Those two ideas
 are not mutually exclusive, sorry.
   
   
 This is like reviewing a movie without actually seeing it.
 

 I beg your pardon?

   Most of the 
   
 people here have only read short accounts and really don't have 
 that much knowledge of the 9-11 truth movement.  How much of 
 the movie have you seen?
 

 Quite a bit. I've spent many hours on the various
 Web sites, watched several of the films. For awhile
 I thought there was something to it, but then I 
 began to find some very good debunking sites, and
 most of the claims just don't hold up under
 examination.
   
Care to share with us just what those debunking sites are (so I can 
debunk them)?
   
 I just can't believe you fall for the official story.
 

 It's a lot more than just the official story.
 You don't have to depend on what the government
 says--or on Popular Mechanics, for that matter--
 to figure out that the conspiracy theories are
 bunk.
   
That is bunk.  Conspiracies are a part of history.  For some bizarre 
reason you don't like to admit to them.
   
 Duh.   Even without 9-11 we have the most corrupt 
 government in the history of the nation.   If you
 can't see that then you're part of the problem and 
 obviously taking (to use the Matrix movie analogy)
 the blue pill.
 
 We *do* see that, Bhairitu. We just don't find
 the conspiracy theories about 9/11 convincing.
   
   
 Who's we?  Do you have  multiple personality syndrome? :D
 

 There are several people on FFL who are skeptical
 of the conspiracy theories.
   
So you speak for them?   There are many others here who aren't so skeptical.
   
 Again I have my doubts that you've looked into it that much.
 

 I've been very interested in it ever since it
 happened and have read everything I could find
 on it.

 How do you think I know the Popular Mechanics
 debunking was so poor and simplistic if I
 haven't looked into the theories in some detail?

 You don't seem to see the contradictions in
 your own arguments.
   
There are no contradictions in my arguments.  You're just making that up.



[FairfieldLife] Re: new rajas today

2007-10-30 Thread boo_lives
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues 
 curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
 
  The two Purusha got to be a Raja with universal domain!
  
  It really can't get any better than this, can it?  Universal domain. 
  For celibates they sure got a big pair on em don't they?
  
 I don't see it as a proclamation of their current status, so much as a 
 very public can't-weasel-out-of-it-now statement about their 
 objective. That's some heavy learning they have signed up for. I 
 applaud them for it, costumes and all. Not my trip personally, but 
 yeah I think it takes some sizable cajones to take that on, probably  
 a much bigger task than they realize today.

What exactly is their task??  They walk around in funny costumes and
occasionally talk about raising money for unbounded infinite
invincible perfect projects that never happen anyway. And they do a
really long program that is the same they've done for 30 yrs.  And
their egos get boosted when they're in public tm celebrations.  I
watched some of the coronation today and the whole thing seems to be
about the ability to get into a fantasy mental state where you try to
talk real slowly for a very long time without saying anything real.










Re: [FairfieldLife] The Thought Crime Bill, Nazi Germany and the New Age

2007-10-30 Thread Bhairitu
billy jim wrote:
 2007 America is not the Weimar Republic. There will be no enabling law unless 
 we have a WMD go off in a major city. If that happens we might actually need 
 martial law.
Why would be need martial law?  Last thing we need is a bunch of dumb 
asses pushing us around.  Some of us will push right back.



RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: hate America?

2007-10-30 Thread Angela Mailander
I am a German citizen, but a legal resident alien in the U.S.---i.e. I've got a 
valid green card.  When I got that green card, the U.S. promised me (and all 
others with the same legal status) that I would have the same rights and duties 
as any citizen except a) I could not run for public office, b) I could not work 
for the U.S. government, c) I could not vote in any election, and d) if I left 
the country, there were certain conditions I would have to fulfill if I wanted 
to return--which I did.  The U.S. broke its promises to all green card holders 
with the establishment of the Department of Homeland Security.  a

Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
  From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf 
Of Angela Mailander
 Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 1:45 PM
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: hate America?
  
  
   
what does my nationality or citizenship have to do with the price of 
tea in China?  Just curious. A
  
  
  
  I was just curious.
  
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: The inability to tell opinion from preaching

2007-10-30 Thread Jason Spock
 
   
  Do you think Maharishi himself is responsible for the rigidity ot the 
True Blue Believer.??
   
  Hardcore TB's simply cannot comprehend the complex nature of this 
Universe.  They lap up one version of the Universe taught by the TM-org and get 
struck in it.  Soon it becomes a dogma.
   
  In MMYyahoogroup, they accused me of being a CIA agent.  I guess being 
stalked by a CIA agent makes them feel important.??
   
  It's important to listen to a wide range of opinions.  It gives you a 
much broader view of the Universe.
   
  My humble opinion, ' TM runs on a black budget'
   
  John Hagelin worked in Area 51.

TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 17:43:14 -
Subject: [FairfieldLife] The inability to tell opinion from preaching
   
   
  Rick,

In all honesty I think that subsequent followups
to this exchange answered some of the questions
you pose above.

You stated an opinion. I stated one in reply. One
person saw that exchange of two opinions as 
preaching to her about how she should live 
her life.

If there is one thing that characterizes the TMer
in my experience (as opposed to seekers in other
spiritual traditions), it is the tendency to view
any opinion other than their own as an attempt to
preach to them or convert them in some way.

I honestly think that a lot of this comes from the
approach taught to TM teachers (Every question is
a perfect opportunity for the answer we have already
prepared.) and drummed into the heads of TMers 
in every lecture. TM teachers, like Maharishi, tend
to be *incapable* of saying, I don't know. They
also (like Maharishi) tend to be dogmatic in their
statements, implying that the answers they give to
every question are the definitive answers, the
correct answers, the Truth.

Therefore, when someone who has been exposed to this
for years or decades encounters an opinion that is
different from their own, they tend to think that 
the other person is doing what *they* do when they 
express *their* opinions -- attempting to state that 
their opinions are definitive,  and correct and 
the Truth, and any other opinion is wrong. 

Some of us aren't. I don't think you do that when
you post your opinions to FFL. I don't think that
Alex does that, or Marek, or Hugo, or many others.
They're just expressing an opinion, one among many.
There is not an *ounce* of trying to sell these 
opinions in what they write, or of trying to con-
vert others to consider them Truth. They're just 
opinions.

These are the people I resonate with most on FFL.
Conversations with them are easy and wonderful, 
because nobody is trying to sell anyone anything.
They're just expressing opinions.

And yet many of the diehard TM believers see these
very conversations as provocative, or challenging,
or even as attacks on their beliefs. Go figure.

As a real followup to the questions you posed in
your original post, I think that part of the reason
that FFL degenerates into argumentation and noise
is that so many people were systematically *taught*
to react to any opinion that is different than 
their opinion *as if* it is some kind of attack.
That's the whole rationale behind being Off The
Program, that these people who have chosen to
believe something improper or wrong are doing
HARM to the faithful True Believers by holding
these erroneous opinions. They must be *stopped*
from holding them, and if they *can't* be stopped,
they must be Sent Away, where they cannot infect
the True Believers with their heresies.

Why is there so much argumentation on TM forums?
Because TMers have been *taught* to argue for the
supremacy and correctness of the TM dogma, and to
actively *suppress* any opinion that deviates from
the TM dogma.

This is my OPINION, and I'm sticking to it. At 
least until my next post, in which I might have a 
different opinion. :-) This OPINION is not intended 
as preaching to anyone, or as a suggestion as to
how they should lead their lives. If they get off
on getting offended by opinions that differ from
their own, *by all means* they should continue to
do so. I'll continue to laugh at them, and that
laughter is an opinion in itself. The laughter is 
not a form of preaching; it's just an expression 
of being amused.
   
   

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: hate America?

2007-10-30 Thread Angela Mailander
Not only did they detain me, they didn't tell me why.  They wouldn't let me 
call a friend who was waiting for me and they wouldn't let me use the bathroom. 
 There were four agents.  Two of them questioned me, the other two were sharp 
observers.  One of the two who questioned me appeared to be of average 
intelligence.  The fourth was pretending to be stupid, but I think he was 
probably brilliant. a

Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   I think he is 
asking if you have American citizenship which in that case 
 it would be very outrageous to deny you entry back into the country.  
 But even detaining a foreigner for 5 hours is rather outrageous.  But 
 then the Homeland Security people I've seen probably couldn't even get a 
 job flipping burgers otherwise.
 
 Angela Mailander wrote:
  what does my nationality or citizenship have to do with the price of tea in 
  China?  Just curious. a
 
  Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
  Behalf Of Angela Mailander
   Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 9:50 AM
   To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
   Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: hate America?


 
  If you have no interest in me, why make assumptions about who I am 
  and what I love or hate?  I told you the truth. Circumstances are always 
  complex, and I assure you there is no conspiracy against me. When I arrived 
  at the L.A. airport from China, I had a return ticket in my pocket.  
  Homeland Security said, You can go back to China if you want, but if you 
  do, you're never coming back here. When I got to Ff, I asked Congressman 
  Leach if this was legal, and he said that it was, that they could have 
  denied me entry



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[FairfieldLife] Re: hate America?

2007-10-30 Thread Duveyoung
Two stories:

At an airport, they pulled me aside.  Don't know why.

They search everything, feeling linings for lumps, checking my body
for metal, patting me down, and then targeting my brief case and
wiping it with a special cloth that would show if I had even a hint of
banned chemicals to make on-board explosives with. The cloths showed
positively that my brief case had something wrongobongo.

So they called in their superior, cuz, well, I'm a very nice guy with
gray hair with a woman whose luggage showed no signs of residues and
I'm laughing aloud cuz I know I'm clean as clean can be.  So, you
know, I'm not fitting the terrorist profile.

They're wiping repeatedly.  Maybe 10 wiping-events, and the
machine-reader called each one of them positive for banned
something-or-other.

Finally the supervisor makes a call, and whomever he talks to doesn't
know what to do either.  Finally, they just call it, and tell me I'm
okay to fly.  Sometimes a deodorant or shaving cream will have an
ingredient that triggers these machines, he said.  

But everyone knew, it was their intuition overriding their testing
devices.  If I had had a beard or accent or turban, I'd probably still
be being strip searched.

See?

You don't? Okay, next story:

I get audited by the IRS, and they pull me into their office and go
over my receipts -- one by one by one.  I'm living in the upper
bedroom of the center and using the rest of the house for business,
but the tax guy says that if the center isn't open 24/7 then the house
is for my personal use only during non-business hours and my
deductions should be discounted downwards.  

I tell them, well, if that's the case, then this and that and this and
that will have to be re-figured to make all the math come out correctly.

The tax guy says, Well, how about you just pay $300 more in
taxesdeal?

See?

Laws, schmaws, authorities are human and make up their own minds right
there on the spot.  Some days, ya just gotta love the lowest rung on
bureacracy's ladder; some other days, not so much, eh?

The laws are about spiritual intent -- not the letter of the law, but
almost any intent can be projected into almost any law, and beware the
minions who are dealing out the taro cards when they decide your fate.

Hey, Boss, pick a card so I can process this passenger.

Oops, sorry, Buddy, but the only kind of boarding you're going to get
is waterboarding.

Edg

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I think he is asking if you have American citizenship which in that
case 
 it would be very outrageous to deny you entry back into the country.  
 But even detaining a foreigner for 5 hours is rather outrageous.  But 
 then the Homeland Security people I've seen probably couldn't even
get a 
 job flipping burgers otherwise.
 
 Angela Mailander wrote:
  what does my nationality or citizenship have to do with the price
of tea in China?  Just curious. a
 
  Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Angela Mailander
   Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 9:50 AM
   To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
   Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: hate America?


 
  If you have no interest in me, why make assumptions about
who I am and what I love or hate?  I told you the truth. Circumstances
are always complex, and I assure you there is no conspiracy against
me. When I arrived at the L.A. airport from China, I had a return
ticket in my pocket.  Homeland Security said, You can go back to
China if you want, but if you do, you're never coming back here. When
I got to Ff, I asked Congressman Leach if this was legal, and he said
that it was, that they could have denied me entry



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[FairfieldLife] From Judy (Re: Is Flaming Evil not allowed here? )

2007-10-30 Thread Duveyoung
Edg, thanks, I'm going to take you up on this,
just for the hell of it--although you may want
to withdraw the offer on the basis of the
following reply.

Judy



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is Flaming Evil not allowed here? (9-11 --
The Inside Job )


I can't let stand the twisting of my favorite
play to promote a nutcase agenda.

Angela wrote:

 When the ghost of Hamlet's father tells him that it is necessary
to re-establish order in the state of Denmark, and that to do so
Hamlet must kill a relative (synecdoche for all our fellow humans),
he also says that he doesn't care how Hamlet does it, the important
thing is 1) Taint not your mind and 2) leave your mom (symbolic for
Nature) out of it.

 Even when rulers accomplish that state of consciousness in which
they do not incur evil karma (tainted mind) and when they act
established in a state beyond nature, it still tends to be a
universal truth that  Uneasy lies the crowned head.

Nice summary of Peter Brook's interpretation of
Hamlet, except that he and you are mistaken
about the quote.

Here it is, in full:

-
But, howsoever thou pursuest this act,
Taint not thy mind, nor let thy soul contrive
Against thy mother aught: leave her to heaven
And to those thorns that in her bosom lodge,
To prick and sting her.
-

Taint not thy mind is not an isolated command;
it goes with the rest of the sentence: nor let
thy soul contrive against thy mother aught.

Hamlet is neither to taint his mind against his
mother, nor is he to let his soul contrive anything
against her. Heaven and her own conscience will
mete out her punishment.

Note the dualism of mind and soul here.

Note also that Hamlet is told to kill his uncle
because his uncle has murdered his own brother,
Hamlet's father (the Ghost), in order to gain the
throne of Denmark and marry Hamlet's father's
widow, Hamlet's mother.

So it isn't just to reestablish order in the
kingdom of Denmark, it's to right a grievous
wrong within a family, to revenge a fratricide
and the sanctification of the murderer's adultery
with his murdered brother's wife.

Note further that at first Hamlet accepts the
Ghost's demands enthusiastically:

-
Yea, from the table of my memory
I'll wipe away all trivial fond records,
All saws of books, all forms, all pressures past,
That youth and observation copied there;
And thy commandment all alone shall live
Within the book and volume of my brain,
Unmix'd with baser matter: yes, by heaven!
-

This might fit with Brook's interpretation, if it
weren't for the fact that Hamlet proceeds for most
of the rest of the play to agonize over whether
killing his uncle is the right thing to do; he's
almost driven to suicide by the conflict, but
fears what he'll encounter after death too much to
actually take his own life. He agonizes as well
over his mother's perfidy, at one point berating
her so brutally that the Ghost has to make another
appearance to get him back on track.

And finally, Hamlet *dies* in the end, along with
both his uncle and his mother (and sundry other
characters along the way). It isn't as if
Shakespeare is putting the bloodletting on some
exalted transcendental plane washed clean of guilt
and blame; none of his characters take what they're
doing lightly, least of all Hamlet. None of them
act established in a state beyond nature, nor
do any of them escape from the evil karma they
have wrought for themselves.

Horatio sums it up, gazing at the bodies strewn
about the stage:

-
And let me speak to the yet unknowing world
How these things came about: so shall you hear
Of carnal, bloody, and unnatural acts,
Of accidental judgments, casual slaughters,
Of deaths put on by cunning and forced cause,
And, in this upshot, purposes mistook
Fall'n on the inventors' reads.
-

Not only do Hamlet and his family members suffer
their just deserts, but the whole world is going
to hear about the terrible things they did.

There's nothing wrong with looking for novel
interpretations of the classics; but you can't
just pick a line or two that suit your fancy
and throw out the rest of the text.





[FairfieldLife] Re: hate America?

2007-10-30 Thread feste37
A fine rant, Edg, I enjoyed it. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 http://www.projectcensored.org/censored_2008/
 
 Here's the censored stories that BigEvil doesn't want the masses
 knowing much about.
 
 Feste27, the minds that keep this knowledge from the headlines are
 LIKE YOURS -- except, you know, you're a pissant they'd never deign to
 have as part of their cabal since you don't have two IQ points to rub
 together.  Wait, I'll take that back.  The intellectually challenged
 deserve our love, but you are a mindful supporter of evil and you're
 so bad at it that evil too cannot stand you. 
 
 Yours is the face of the banality of Kali Yuga -- when every manner of
 oblivious self-serving hideous rationalization is commonplace.
 
 Edg
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote:
 
  Bag lady, huh? Well, you certainly seem to have a lot of baggage. You
  almost got through this post without mentioning Hitler, until you
  stumbled at the last. This reminds me a little of Rudy G., who can't
  seem to open his mouth without mentioning 9/11. Oh well, I guess we
  all have our obsessions.  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
  mailander111@ wrote:
  
   If you have no interest in me, why make assumptions about who I am
  and what I love or hate?  I told you the truth. Circumstances are
  always complex, and I assure you there is no conspiracy against me.
  When I arrived at the L.A. airport from China, I had a return ticket
  in my pocket.  Homeland Security said, You can go back to China if
  you want, but if you do, you're never coming back here. When I got to
  Ff, I asked Congressman Leach if this was legal, and he said that it
  was, that they could have denied me entry.  I checked with an attorney
  specializing in such matters, and was told that people had been denied
  entry for no reason. So, I was here with two suitcases, no money, no
  place to stay, no job, and no job prospects, and a decision to make:
  Rich woman in China, or bag lady in the U.S.  I  I had two weeks to
  make that decision, and went for bag lady.  Smart does not necessarily
  mean money, as Americans seem to be convinced it does. 
   
   I've never taught at any University, here, in Germany, or in China
  when my colleagues didn't respect me. I agreed at some point with an
  article that said American education had hit rock bottom.  I said we
  were all, including me, embedded in it, and I said my Ph.D. wasn't
  worth what earlier Ph.D. had been worth in terms of academic
  standards. People got their egos bent over this.  When people hear
  that American education is terrible, even if they agree with that,
  they always want to talk about it as if it doesn't include them. 
 Absurd. 
   
   The comparison between Nazi Germany and the U.S. is not absurd, but
  I'm done talking about it.  The extant information allowing that
  comparison is becoming more and more available in English, but you are
  not really interested nor willing to listen with an open mind.  Not
  everyone you disagree with is delusional, but wanting to hospitalize
  those whom you deem so (in your professional opinion), is something
  Hitler would have agreed with.  a
   
   feste37 feste37@ wrote:   I have no
  interest in fathoming who you are. But this story, if true,
is a nice reversal of the usual one—being able to make money in
China
but choosing poverty in America. But dear Angela, if you are so
 smart,
and you are continually telling us that you are, how come you
cannot
make money in this great land of opportunity? If you are so
 smart, why
are you poor? Some terrible conspiracy against you, perhaps? A
 refusal
by others to recognize your great genius?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
mailander111@ wrote:

 I find your accusation that I hate America nothing short of
astounding--just because I see clearly doesn't mean I hate. I
already
told you that when I was eighteen I had a choice between wealth and
ruling class status in Europe and poverty in America.  I chose
 poverty
in America.  I had that same choice when I lived with my sister in
Europe.  And again I chose poverty in America rather than
wealth and
ruling class status in Europe. When I came back from China,
Homeland
Security put me through a five-hour interrogation in the
presence of
armed guards and then gave me a choice: China or America.  In
China I
had a successful research project close to my heart with enormous
income potential.  In just two years I had become known for it in
three big Chinese cities and in the biggest kindergarten chain in
China that was based in Taiwan.  I had friends I loved.  I had
status
as a respected professional among my colleagues--other Chinese
universities were competing with each other
  to snag me.  My students loved me.  

[FairfieldLife] Beautiful stories about Maharishi

2007-10-30 Thread Rick Archer
Someone sent me these:

Stories about Maharishi 


The Shankaracharya's Welcome to Maharishi
Jyotir Math, India, 1975 
From the tradition of Shri Shankaracharya
He is the disciple just like the Master:
Destroyer of tamas of the inner Self, King of Rishis,
And from the darkness of the people He is the bestower of light. 

Greatest of the great, greater than greatness,
He is indeed the reason for the welfare of the tradition.
Bestower of the calmness in the three layers of existence,
Incarnation of Yoga, indeed of Shankara, 
Whose speech is true speech, Whose demeanor is precise,
Whose actions are compassionate, Whose fame is compelling,
In the world of all men He is the inner Self.
The course of His speech is the incarnate form of Indra. the Creator. 

O Mahesh Yogi, let Your benevolence be extended unto me,
Great Rishi, King of Rishis, Rishi of Gods.

From the light of the Himalayas to the level of the plains
He resides in the midst of Shankaracharya Nagar.


Sri Ananda Mayi Ma

In 1981 during the Vedic Science course in Delhi, Maharishi sent a large
group to the Taj Mahal for a visit. While in Agra, the group heard that the
great saint Sri Ananda Mayee Ma was at her place in Vrindavan, which was on
the route back to Delhi from Agra. Maharishi enthusiastically said the group
should visit her and to take shawls, saris, fruits, garlands, sweets —
masses of them — as our gift.

The group arrived at twilight and meditated in a group outside her house
while waiting for their chance to go up to the roof of the house where she
gave darshan. While the group was waiting two giant white birds flew low
over her house — the celestial quality of the sight made everyone gasp.

Dr. Bevan Morris asked the receptionist to inform Sri Ananda Mayee Ma that
we were from Maharishi. But the group had to go up in sections of ten as the
space was limited. Dr. Morris went up in the last group, and found that Sri
Ananda Mayee Ma was sitting deeply withdrawn not paying attention to the
people coming and going, and the pile of cloth, flowers, fruit etc. that had
been placed in front of her. At that stage she was very elderly, and near
the end of her Earth days.

It was immediately obvious to Dr. Morris that she had not been told that
this was Maharishi's group. He asked the administrator again to please tell
Sri Ananda Mayee Ma that these people were sent by Maharishi to see her. The
administrator began to speak to her in Bengali and at the point where he
said Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Sri Ananda Mayee Ma suddenly sat bolt upright
and folded her palms together, and then started grabbing fruits and flowers
and wrapping them up in packages, and giving them to us to deliver to
Maharishi.

Then she gave a sublime message of devoted greeting and love to convey to
Maharishi. The group upon reaching Delhi delivered this message to
Maharishi's great joy. 

* * * 


On another occasion Maharishi was doing Puja with Sri Ananda Mayee Ma at her
place in Haridwar, but finally Maharishi had to go. He told Sri Ananda Mayee
Ma, Ma you stay here and continue, and I will go. She seemed to agree and
let him go, but after a few moments got up and followed Maharishi out to the
car, walking a little behind him with the sweetness of a small child. There
was a mala wala — a garland salesman — with a basket full to the brim with
marigold garlands on the street there, and Sri Ananda Mayee Ma pointed to
him so that her assistant purchased the whole basket. Then Sri Ananda Mayee
Ma took the whole basket to where Maharishi was now sitting in the car, and
she tipped the whole basket of garlands through the window into his lap.

Ananda Mayee Ma is considered the greatest lady saint of modern India,
enlightened from a young girl, an expression of Mother Divine. She left the
world in 1982. It was her custom to send westerners who visited to Maharishi
to learn Transcendental Meditation — for example, Peter Wallace, the brother
of Keith. Her devotion to Maharishi shows again that we have grasped very
little of the grandeur of Maharishi's personality and status, and his role
in the universe.


Tat Wala Baba

During the Teacher Training Course with Maharishi in the Academy of
Meditation Shankaracharya Nagar in Rishikesh at the end of 1969, a course
that included many of the greatest luminaries of the Movement, the course
participants asked Maharishi if the famous recluse saint Tat Wala Baba could
come to visit the course, as had happened in previous courses. Tat Wala Baba
was living in a cave about three miles up in the hills behind our Academy.
It was his custom to only come out once a day for one hour to let visitors
enjoy his darshan. There was a lean-to just below his cave for this purpose.

He was a very powerful man, very muscular like a wrestler, with matted hair
that fell all the way to the ground. Maharishi said of him that he seemed to
be in a good state of Unity Consciousness.

Maharishi agreed to invite Tat Wala Baba to come to speak to the course, and
sent 

[FairfieldLife] Re: new rajas today

2007-10-30 Thread curtisdeltablues
What exactly is their task?? They walk around in funny costumes and
occasionally talk about raising money for unbounded infinite
invincible perfect projects that never happen anyway. And they do a
really long program that is the same they've done for 30 yrs. And
their egos get boosted when they're in public tm celebrations. I
watched some of the coronation today and the whole thing seems to be
about the ability to get into a fantasy mental state where you try to
talk real slowly for a very long time without saying anything real.

If there is anything funnier then goofing on Rajas I haven't found it!
 Thanks for the laugh man.




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues 
  curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
  
   The two Purusha got to be a Raja with universal domain!
   
   It really can't get any better than this, can it?  Universal
domain. 
   For celibates they sure got a big pair on em don't they?
   
  I don't see it as a proclamation of their current status, so much
as a 
  very public can't-weasel-out-of-it-now statement about their 
  objective. That's some heavy learning they have signed up for. I 
  applaud them for it, costumes and all. Not my trip personally, but 
  yeah I think it takes some sizable cajones to take that on, probably  
  a much bigger task than they realize today.
 
 What exactly is their task??  They walk around in funny costumes and
 occasionally talk about raising money for unbounded infinite
 invincible perfect projects that never happen anyway. And they do a
 really long program that is the same they've done for 30 yrs.  And
 their egos get boosted when they're in public tm celebrations.  I
 watched some of the coronation today and the whole thing seems to be
 about the ability to get into a fantasy mental state where you try to
 talk real slowly for a very long time without saying anything real.





[FairfieldLife] James Lovelock on Climate Change

2007-10-30 Thread Bhairitu
The Prophet Of Climate Change:
James Lovelock

By Jeff Goodell

29 October, 2007
Rollingstone

At the age of eighty-eight, after four children and a long and respected 
career as one of the twentieth century's most influential scientists, 
James Lovelock has come to an unsettling conclusion: The human race is 
doomed. I wish I could be more hopeful, he tells me one sunny morning 
as we walk through a park in Oslo, where he is giving a talk at a 
university. Lovelock is a small man, unfailingly polite, with white hair 
and round, owlish glasses. His step is jaunty, his mind lively, his 
manner anything but gloomy. In fact, the coming of the Four Horsemen -- 
war, famine, pestilence and death -- seems to perk him up. It will be a 
dark time, Lovelock admits. But for those who survive, I suspect it 
will be rather exciting.

more...
http://www.countercurrents.org/goodell291007.htm


[FairfieldLife] From Judy: Re: 9-11 -- The Inside Job was merely a blip

2007-10-30 Thread Duveyoung
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 9-11 -- The Inside Job was merely a blip
(snip  thought police)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 It's good to look at 9-11 like a mystery movie.  It would be like one of
 those movies were a dirty cop kills some innocent person and an equally
 corrupt police force covers up for him.  In the process private
 detectives and journalists begin to uncover what really went on.  Of
 course the corrupt police hassles them and try to throw them off as they
 get too close to the truth.

 Likewise if 9-11 were an inside job then of course they it would make
 perfect sense that the perpetrators would use disinformation to throw
 9-11 truthers off course.  Many of the 9-11 truth people go to great
 pains to filter out disinformation and incorrect evidence.  They're not
 going to be perfect but neither are the perps.  Time will tell.

Justifying the 9/11 conspiracy theories by suggesting
they're like what's portrayed in the movies is more
revealing than you realize.

 authfriend wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote:
 
  Actually, Ari Fleischer, the press secretary,
  revealed it the next day at a press
  conference. It was relayed to the Bush folks
  after Air Force One had taken off, not at the
  school. And the code name wasn't secret;
  it had been published numerous times.
 
  Whatever.  It was around that time.  Neither did I say it
  was a secret code word.
 
  No, you didn't, but Tarpley does, and administration
  shills do as well.
 
 On what page of 9/11 Synthetic Terror does Tarpley say that?  I don't
 see it.

It's quoted on the 911myths.com site (note that the
two paragraphs that follow are quotes from the book):

According to Bob Woodward's canonical mainstream account: At about
10:30 AM
Cheney reached Bush again on Air Force One, which was still on its way
toward
Washington. The White House had received a threat saying, 'Angel is
next.' Since Angel was the codeword for Air Force One, it could mean
that terrorists had inside
information

...the Angel is next story contained an explosive potential for the
longer term, since by pointing toward the existence of highly-placed
moles within the administration who had access to top secret code
words and procedures, it threatened to explode the official myth of
9/11 which was then taking shape.
Webster Griffin Tarpley
9/11 Synthetic Terror: Made in USA

http://www.911myths.com/html/angel_is_next.html

  Moreover, it turned out to have been a
  misunderstanding all along, in the chaos after
  the attacks. The White House has promoted it as
  an excuse for Air Force One's aimlessness and
  for Bush not coming back to D.C. right away.
 
  So much for your guy's thorough documentation.
 
  So you believe the Bush administration?
 
  Huh? Do I believe it was a legitimate threat?
 
  Did you read what I wrote?
 
 Did you read what I wrote?  The source on that would have had to be the
 Bush administration which is known for cover-ups and lies.

Right. Now read what I wrote again.

  Find those WMDs yet?
 
  Complete non sequitur. Am I making you a little
  nervous?
 
 No it isn't a non sequitur.  It is a joke, obviously.

It's a *non sequitur joke*. You've got things very
confused in your mind about my position.

 You make me nervous?  Hardly, you're being delusional.

That was a joke, Bhairitu. I was referring to
your obvious confusion about what I believe.

snip
 Care to share with us just what those debunking sites are (so I can
 debunk them)?

Start with 911myths.com and debunking911.com. They
have links to lots of other debunking sites. Some
are better than others, of course.

  I just can't believe you fall for the official story.
 
  It's a lot more than just the official story.
  You don't have to depend on what the government
  says--or on Popular Mechanics, for that matter--
  to figure out that the conspiracy theories are
  bunk.
 
 That is bunk.  Conspiracies are a part of history.  For some bizarre
 reason you don't like to admit to them.

Never said conspiracies weren't a part of history.
I'll admit to plenty of 'em. For some bizarre
reason you believe anybody who thinks the 9/11
conspiracy theories are bunk must be unwilling
to entertain the idea that there have ever been
*any* conspiracies--as if the fact that there have
been conspiracies in the past means the 9/11
conspiracy theories must be true. That's so
illogical it borders on the irrational.

  Duh.  Even without 9-11 we have the most corrupt
  government in the history of the nation.  If you
  can't see that then you're part of the problem and
  obviously taking (to use the Matrix movie analogy)
  the blue pill.
 
  We *do* see that, Bhairitu. We just don't find
  the conspiracy theories about 9/11 convincing.
 
  Who's we?  Do you have  multiple personality syndrome? :D
 
  There are several people on FFL who are skeptical
  of the conspiracy theories.
 
 So you speak for them?  There are 

[FairfieldLife] Re: When FFL Was Fun...

2007-10-30 Thread bob_brigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Remember when FFL was fun? We actually talked about
 spiritual concerns with an occasional off-topic post.
 Like a good party with your longtime friends with new
 interesting people showing up from time to time. Now
 it has been hijacked by outright paranoid nut jobs
 with self-righteous egos the size of Montana. Ah,
 those were the days! 
 
 
 

__


Au contraire, vive le rant!

http://www.slate.com/id/2176968/




[FairfieldLife] Vyaasa, Shuka and naked chicks

2007-10-30 Thread cardemaister

Bhaktivedanta VedaBase http://vedabase.net/en : ´Srimad
Bhagavatam http://vedabase.net/sb/en  1.4.5

dṛṣṭvanuyantam ṛṣim
http://vedabase.net/r/rsim  atmajam
http://vedabase.net/a/atmajam  apy anagnaḿ
http://vedabase.net/a/anagnam

devyo hriya http://vedabase.net/h/hriya  paridadhur na
http://vedabase.net/n/na  sutasya http://vedabase.net/s/sutasya 
citram http://vedabase.net/c/citram

tad http://vedabase.net/t/tad  vikṣya
http://vedabase.net/v/viksya  pṛcchati
http://vedabase.net/p/prcchati  munau http://vedabase.net/m/munau 
jagadus tavasti

stri http://vedabase.net/s/stri -pum http://vedabase.net/p/pum
-bhida http://vedabase.net/b/bhida  na http://vedabase.net/n/na
tu http://vedabase.net/t/tu  sutasya http://vedabase.net/s/sutasya 
vivikta http://vedabase.net/v/vivikta -dṛṣṭeḥ
http://vedabase.net/d/drsteh

SYNONYMS

drÌ£sÌ£tÌ£va http://vedabase.net/d/drstva  — by
seeing; anuyantam http://vedabase.net/a/anuyantam  —
following; rÌ£sÌ£im http://vedabase.net/r/rsim  — the sage;
atmajam http://vedabase.net/a/atmajam  — his son; api
http://vedabase.net/a/api  — in http://vedabase.net/i/in  spite
of; anagnam http://vedabase.net/a/anagnam  — not naked;
devyahÌ£ http://vedabase.net/d/devyah  — beautiful damsels;
hriya http://vedabase.net/h/hriya  — out of shyness;
paridadhuhÌ£ http://vedabase.net/p/paridadhuh  — covered the
body; na http://vedabase.net/n/na  — not; sutasya
http://vedabase.net/s/sutasya  — of the son; citram
http://vedabase.net/c/citram  — astonishing; tat
http://vedabase.net/t/tat  vikṣya
http://vedabase.net/v/viksya  — by seeing that; prÌ£cchati
http://vedabase.net/p/prcchati  — asking; munau
http://vedabase.net/m/munau  — unto the muni
http://vedabase.net/m/muni  (Vyasa http://vedabase.net/v/vyasa
); jagaduhÌ£ http://vedabase.net/j/jagaduh  — replied; tava
http://vedabase.net/t/tava  — your; asti
http://vedabase.net/a/asti  — there are
http://vedabase.net/a/are ; stri http://vedabase.net/s/stri -pum
http://vedabase.net/p/pum  — male http://vedabase.net/m/male 
and female; bhida http://vedabase.net/b/bhida  — differences;
na http://vedabase.net/n/na  — not; tu http://vedabase.net/t/tu 
— but; sutasya http://vedabase.net/s/sutasya  — of the son;
vivikta http://vedabase.net/v/vivikta  — purified;
drÌ£sÌ£tÌ£ehÌ£ http://vedabase.net/d/drsteh  — of one
who looks.

TRANSLATION

While ´Sri http://vedabase.net/s/sri  Vyasadeva was
following his son, beautiful young damsels who were bathing naked
covered their bodies with cloth, although ´Sri
http://vedabase.net/s/sri  Vyasadeva himself was not naked. But
they had not done so when his son had passed. The sage inquired about
this, and the young ladies replied that his son was purified and when
looking at them made no distinction between male
http://vedabase.net/m/male  and female. But the sage made such
distinctions.

PURPORT

In the Bhagavad-gita http://vedabase.net/g/gita  (5.18
http://vedabase.net/bg/5/18/en ) it is said that a learned sage looks
equally on a learned and gentle brahmaṇa
http://vedabase.net/b/brahmana , a caṇḍāla
http://vedabase.net/c/candala  (dog-eater), a dog or a cow due to his
spiritual vision. ´Srila http://vedabase.net/s/srila 
´Sukadeva http://vedabase.net/s/sukadeva  Gosvami
attained that stage. Thus he did not see a male
http://vedabase.net/m/male  or female; he saw all living entities in
different dress. The ladies who were bathing could understand the mind
of a man simply by studying his demeanor, just as by looking at a child
one can understand how innocent he is. ´Sukadeva
http://vedabase.net/s/sukadeva  Gosvami was a young boy
sixteen years old, and therefore all the parts of his body were
developed. He was naked also, and so were the ladies. But because
´Sukadeva http://vedabase.net/s/sukadeva  Gosvami was
transcendental to sex relations, he appeared very innocent. The ladies,
by their special qualifications, could sense this at once, and therefore
they were not very concerned about him. But when his father passed, the
ladies quickly dressed. The ladies were exactly like his children or
grandchildren, yet they reacted to the presence of Vyasadeva
according to the social custom because ´Srila
http://vedabase.net/s/srila  Vyasadeva played the part of a
householder. A householder has to distinguish between a male
http://vedabase.net/m/male  and female, otherwise he cannot be a
householder. One should, therefore, attempt to know the distinction
between spirit soul without any attachment for male
http://vedabase.net/m/male  and female. As long as such distinction is
there, one should not try to become a sannyasi
http://vedabase.net/s/sannyasi  like ´Sukadeva
http://vedabase.net/s/sukadeva  Gosvami. At least
theoretically one must be convinced that a living entity is neither male
http://vedabase.net/m/male  nor female. The outward dress is made of
matter by material nature to attract the opposite sex and thus keep one
entangled in material existence. A liberated soul is above this
perverted 

Re: [FairfieldLife] From Judy (Re: Is Flaming Evil not allowed here? )

2007-10-30 Thread Angela Mailander
You do not have my interpretation  of Hamlet, only a very short snippet.  No 
judgment as the quality of the whole can be based on that. a

Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   Edg, thanks, 
I'm going to take you up on this,
 just for the hell of it--although you may want
 to withdraw the offer on the basis of the
 following reply.
 
 Judy
 
 
 
 Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is Flaming Evil not allowed here? (9-11 --
 The Inside Job )
 
 I can't let stand the twisting of my favorite
 play to promote a nutcase agenda.
 
 Angela wrote:
 
  When the ghost of Hamlet's father tells him that it is necessary
 to re-establish order in the state of Denmark, and that to do so
 Hamlet must kill a relative (synecdoche for all our fellow humans),
 he also says that he doesn't care how Hamlet does it, the important
 thing is 1) Taint not your mind and 2) leave your mom (symbolic for
 Nature) out of it.
 
  Even when rulers accomplish that state of consciousness in which
 they do not incur evil karma (tainted mind) and when they act
 established in a state beyond nature, it still tends to be a
 universal truth that  Uneasy lies the crowned head.
 
 Nice summary of Peter Brook's interpretation of
 Hamlet, except that he and you are mistaken
 about the quote.
 
 Here it is, in full:
 
 -
 But, howsoever thou pursuest this act,
 Taint not thy mind, nor let thy soul contrive
 Against thy mother aught: leave her to heaven
 And to those thorns that in her bosom lodge,
 To prick and sting her.
 -
 
 Taint not thy mind is not an isolated command;
 it goes with the rest of the sentence: nor let
 thy soul contrive against thy mother aught.
 
 Hamlet is neither to taint his mind against his
 mother, nor is he to let his soul contrive anything
 against her. Heaven and her own conscience will
 mete out her punishment.
 
 Note the dualism of mind and soul here.
 
 Note also that Hamlet is told to kill his uncle
 because his uncle has murdered his own brother,
 Hamlet's father (the Ghost), in order to gain the
 throne of Denmark and marry Hamlet's father's
 widow, Hamlet's mother.
 
 So it isn't just to reestablish order in the
 kingdom of Denmark, it's to right a grievous
 wrong within a family, to revenge a fratricide
 and the sanctification of the murderer's adultery
 with his murdered brother's wife.
 
 Note further that at first Hamlet accepts the
 Ghost's demands enthusiastically:
 
 -
 Yea, from the table of my memory
 I'll wipe away all trivial fond records,
 All saws of books, all forms, all pressures past,
 That youth and observation copied there;
 And thy commandment all alone shall live
 Within the book and volume of my brain,
 Unmix'd with baser matter: yes, by heaven!
 -
 
 This might fit with Brook's interpretation, if it
 weren't for the fact that Hamlet proceeds for most
 of the rest of the play to agonize over whether
 killing his uncle is the right thing to do; he's
 almost driven to suicide by the conflict, but
 fears what he'll encounter after death too much to
 actually take his own life. He agonizes as well
 over his mother's perfidy, at one point berating
 her so brutally that the Ghost has to make another
 appearance to get him back on track.
 
 And finally, Hamlet *dies* in the end, along with
 both his uncle and his mother (and sundry other
 characters along the way). It isn't as if
 Shakespeare is putting the bloodletting on some
 exalted transcendental plane washed clean of guilt
 and blame; none of his characters take what they're
 doing lightly, least of all Hamlet. None of them
 act established in a state beyond nature, nor
 do any of them escape from the evil karma they
 have wrought for themselves.
 
 Horatio sums it up, gazing at the bodies strewn
 about the stage:
 
 -
 And let me speak to the yet unknowing world
 How these things came about: so shall you hear
 Of carnal, bloody, and unnatural acts,
 Of accidental judgments, casual slaughters,
 Of deaths put on by cunning and forced cause,
 And, in this upshot, purposes mistook
 Fall'n on the inventors' reads.
 -
 
 Not only do Hamlet and his family members suffer
 their just deserts, but the whole world is going
 to hear about the terrible things they did.
 
 There's nothing wrong with looking for novel
 interpretations of the classics; but you can't
 just pick a line or two that suit your fancy
 and throw out the rest of the text.
 
 
 
   

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[FairfieldLife] Question for Cardemeister

2007-10-30 Thread Rick Archer
A friend wants to know:

 

Do you have a copy of the 10th Mandala? I'm looking for a hymn that
describes creation there, how from nothing came something that one
unbreathed upon breathed of his own strength or something like that. Is
there anyway you could help me locate that hymn?


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Re: [FairfieldLife] From Judy: Re: 9-11 -- The Inside Job was merely a blip

2007-10-30 Thread Bhairitu
Duveyoung wrote:
 Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 9-11 -- The Inside Job was merely a blip
 (snip  thought police)

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 It's good to look at 9-11 like a mystery movie.  It would be like one of
 those movies were a dirty cop kills some innocent person and an equally
 corrupt police force covers up for him.  In the process private
 detectives and journalists begin to uncover what really went on.  Of
 course the corrupt police hassles them and try to throw them off as they
 get too close to the truth.

 Likewise if 9-11 were an inside job then of course they it would make
 perfect sense that the perpetrators would use disinformation to throw
 9-11 truthers off course.  Many of the 9-11 truth people go to great
 pains to filter out disinformation and incorrect evidence.  They're not
 going to be perfect but neither are the perps.  Time will tell.
 

 Justifying the 9/11 conspiracy theories by suggesting
 they're like what's portrayed in the movies is more
 revealing than you realize.
   
The movie example (as you should well know) is used as an illustration 
of a cover-up.  We've had a number of cover-ups exposed during our 
lifetime.  Why would 9-11 be any different?  That is unless you actually 
believe that 19 terrorists armed with box cutters pulled the thing off.
   
 authfriend wrote:
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote:

   
 Actually, Ari Fleischer, the press secretary,
 revealed it the next day at a press
 conference. It was relayed to the Bush folks
 after Air Force One had taken off, not at the
 school. And the code name wasn't secret;
 it had been published numerous times.

   
 Whatever.  It was around that time.  Neither did I say it
 was a secret code word.

 
 No, you didn't, but Tarpley does, and administration
 shills do as well.

   
 On what page of 9/11 Synthetic Terror does Tarpley say that?  I don't
 see it.
 

 It's quoted on the 911myths.com site (note that the
 two paragraphs that follow are quotes from the book):

 According to Bob Woodward's canonical mainstream account: At about
 10:30 AM
 Cheney reached Bush again on Air Force One, which was still on its way
 toward
 Washington. The White House had received a threat saying, 'Angel is
 next.' Since Angel was the codeword for Air Force One, it could mean
 that terrorists had inside
 information

 ...the Angel is next story contained an explosive potential for the
 longer term, since by pointing toward the existence of highly-placed
 moles within the administration who had access to top secret code
 words and procedures, it threatened to explode the official myth of
 9/11 which was then taking shape.
 Webster Griffin Tarpley
 9/11 Synthetic Terror: Made in USA

 http://www.911myths.com/html/angel_is_next.html

   
Those are the pages I checked earlier right out of the book BUT it 
doesn't say anything there that specifically Angel was a secret 
codeword.  The top secret code words and procedures would refer to the 
ones that allowed them to communicate the message.
 Moreover, it turned out to have been a
 misunderstanding all along, in the chaos after
 the attacks. The White House has promoted it as
 an excuse for Air Force One's aimlessness and
 for Bush not coming back to D.C. right away.

 So much for your guy's thorough documentation.

   
 So you believe the Bush administration?
 
 Huh? Do I believe it was a legitimate threat?

 Did you read what I wrote?

   
 Did you read what I wrote?  The source on that would have had to be the
 Bush administration which is known for cover-ups and lies.
 

 Right. Now read what I wrote again.

   
 Find those WMDs yet?

 
 Complete non sequitur. Am I making you a little
 nervous?

   
 No it isn't a non sequitur.  It is a joke, obviously.
 

 It's a *non sequitur joke*. You've got things very
 confused in your mind about my position.
   
ROTFL!  Position? Tap dancing would be more like it.
   
 You make me nervous?  Hardly, you're being delusional.
 

 That was a joke, Bhairitu. I was referring to
 your obvious confusion about what I believe.

 snip
   
 Care to share with us just what those debunking sites are (so I can
 debunk them)?
 

 Start with 911myths.com and debunking911.com. They
 have links to lots of other debunking sites. Some
 are better than others, of course.
   
So why should be believe them any more than we should believe the 911 
truth sites?
   
 I just can't believe you fall for the official story.
 
 It's a lot more than just the official story.
 You don't have to depend on what the government
 says--or on Popular Mechanics, for that matter--
 to figure out that the conspiracy theories are
 bunk.

   
 That is bunk.  Conspiracies are a part of history.  For some bizarre
 reason you don't like to admit to them.
 

 Never said conspiracies weren't a part of history.
 

[FairfieldLife] From Judy (Re: The inability to tell opinion from preaching)

2007-10-30 Thread Duveyoung
Re: The inability to tell opinion from preaching

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote:
  
   I got some chuckles out of that. So what is it about FFL?
   Most of us have a TM background. Is it that there's little
   emphasis in the TMO on becoming a nicer person, as there
   is in Buddhist circles and some other spiritual groups?
   In fact, egotism is intentionally cultured, with crowns,
   titles, and a pecking order determined by net worth.
 
  Not to mention being the best and the highest path.
 
   I remember a political cartoon illustrating the Reagan
   end run in which thoughts would bypass that part of his
   brain which, in most of us, edits and sometimes censors
   the nonsense thoughts that might otherwise come out of
   our mouths. It seems that some here suffer from the same
   syndrome. If they're in a rage, or feeling nasty toward
   someone, they somehow feel justified in venting it, and
   there's no indication of any introspection causing them
   to pause and consider the consequences or even the
   legitimacy of their perspective.

Rick, I'll tell you *one* of the sources of
conflict on FFL: It's the kind of wild
generalizations you make above.

  I was thinking more along the lines of, If you think
  that you know enough to write a book, or to preach to
  someone else about how they should live their lives,
  you can't join until you get over it.

 Rick,

 In all honesty I think that subsequent followups
 to this exchange answered some of the questions
 you pose above.

 You stated an opinion. I stated one in reply. One
 person saw that exchange of two opinions as
 preaching to her about how she should live
 her life.

Obviously not. Barry was (a) preaching to people who
wanted to join FFL about how they should live their
lives in order to be approved for membership, and (b)
preaching to Rick about how he should live his life
in terms of approving people to join FFL.

I'm not Rick, and I'm already a member of FFL, so
clearly it wouldn't occur to me to think Barry's
preaching in this instance was directed at me.

Not that he hasn't preached to me about how I
(and many others) should live their lives
innumerable times; as I said earlier, it's his
stock in trade here.

snip
 As a real followup to the questions you posed in
 your original post, I think that part of the reason
 that FFL degenerates into argumentation and noise
 is that so many people were systematically *taught*
 to react to any opinion that is different than
 their opinion *as if* it is some kind of attack.
 That's the whole rationale behind being Off The
 Program, that these people who have chosen to
 believe something improper or wrong are doing
 HARM to the faithful True Believers by holding
 these erroneous opinions. They must be *stopped*
 from holding them, and if they *can't* be stopped,
 they must be Sent Away, where they cannot infect
 the True Believers with their heresies.

 Why is there so much argumentation on TM forums?
 Because TMers have been *taught* to argue for the
 supremacy and correctness of the TM dogma, and to
 actively *suppress* any opinion that deviates from
 the TM dogma.

Sorry, but this is just nuts. I was never taught
anything of the kind.

Maybe Barry was, or maybe he just imagines he was.
Maybe it's Barry who thinks that anytime somebody
disagrees with him, it's an attack. But maybe
that's because so much of what *he* posts is attacks--
like the above--so that's what he expects to get back.





Re: [FairfieldLife] From Judy: Re: 9-11 -- The Inside Job was merely a blip

2007-10-30 Thread Angela Mailander
Bhairitu,
I've got the impression that this group is not really interested in an honest 
exchange of ideas, but, rather, in finding ways to shoot one another down with 
more or less venom. It doesn't matter how good your logic or your evidence is, 
it simply will not be received in the spirit of honest inquiry.  I'm not 
accusing you and have not seen you do this---I'm only noting a general 
impression.  Also, the shooting down is usually not at any major point in an 
argument, but some side issue---I'd call it a special instance of the Texas 
sharp shooter's fallacy in which the shooter sprays bullets at the side of a 
barn and then goes and draws a target around the places where the bullets have 
hit.  Of course, he's on target every time in his own mind.  Is this your 
impression also? Or am I totally wrong? a

Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   Duveyoung 
wrote:
  Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 9-11 -- The Inside Job was merely a blip
  (snip  thought police)
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  It's good to look at 9-11 like a mystery movie.  It would be like one of
  those movies were a dirty cop kills some innocent person and an equally
  corrupt police force covers up for him.  In the process private
  detectives and journalists begin to uncover what really went on.  Of
  course the corrupt police hassles them and try to throw them off as they
  get too close to the truth.
 
  Likewise if 9-11 were an inside job then of course they it would make
  perfect sense that the perpetrators would use disinformation to throw
  9-11 truthers off course.  Many of the 9-11 truth people go to great
  pains to filter out disinformation and incorrect evidence.  They're not
  going to be perfect but neither are the perps.  Time will tell.
  
 
  Justifying the 9/11 conspiracy theories by suggesting
  they're like what's portrayed in the movies is more
  revealing than you realize.

 The movie example (as you should well know) is used as an illustration 
 of a cover-up.  We've had a number of cover-ups exposed during our 
 lifetime.  Why would 9-11 be any different?  That is unless you actually 
 believe that 19 terrorists armed with box cutters pulled the thing off.

  authfriend wrote:
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote:
 

  Actually, Ari Fleischer, the press secretary,
  revealed it the next day at a press
  conference. It was relayed to the Bush folks
  after Air Force One had taken off, not at the
  school. And the code name wasn't secret;
  it had been published numerous times.
 

  Whatever.  It was around that time.  Neither did I say it
  was a secret code word.
 
  
  No, you didn't, but Tarpley does, and administration
  shills do as well.
 

  On what page of 9/11 Synthetic Terror does Tarpley say that?  I don't
  see it.
  
 
  It's quoted on the 911myths.com site (note that the
  two paragraphs that follow are quotes from the book):
 
  According to Bob Woodward's canonical mainstream account: At about
  10:30 AM
  Cheney reached Bush again on Air Force One, which was still on its way
  toward
  Washington. The White House had received a threat saying, 'Angel is
  next.' Since Angel was the codeword for Air Force One, it could mean
  that terrorists had inside
  information
 
  ...the Angel is next story contained an explosive potential for the
  longer term, since by pointing toward the existence of highly-placed
  moles within the administration who had access to top secret code
  words and procedures, it threatened to explode the official myth of
  9/11 which was then taking shape.
  Webster Griffin Tarpley
  9/11 Synthetic Terror: Made in USA
 
  http://www.911myths.com/html/angel_is_next.html
 

 Those are the pages I checked earlier right out of the book BUT it 
 doesn't say anything there that specifically Angel was a secret 
 codeword.  The top secret code words and procedures would refer to the 
 ones that allowed them to communicate the message.
  Moreover, it turned out to have been a
  misunderstanding all along, in the chaos after
  the attacks. The White House has promoted it as
  an excuse for Air Force One's aimlessness and
  for Bush not coming back to D.C. right away.
 
  So much for your guy's thorough documentation.
 

  So you believe the Bush administration?
  
  Huh? Do I believe it was a legitimate threat?
 
  Did you read what I wrote?
 

  Did you read what I wrote?  The source on that would have had to be the
  Bush administration which is known for cover-ups and lies.
  
 
  Right. Now read what I wrote again.
 

  Find those WMDs yet?
 
  
  Complete non sequitur. Am I making you a little
  nervous?
 

  No it isn't a non sequitur.  It is a joke, obviously.
  
 
  It's a *non sequitur joke*. You've got things very
  confused in your mind about my 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Will Bush really bomb Iran?

2007-10-30 Thread Robert Gimbel
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 jstein wrote: 
  Nobody loathes Chris Matthews more than I do.
  He's always had a man-crush on Bush for some
  unfathomable reason, but he was, in fact,
  outspoken against the Iraq war from the
  beginning, one of the very few broadcasters who
  were. I'd be flabbergasted if he supported a
  war now with Iran.
 
 So, you agree with Matthews that we are in a war.
  
 
I meant to say, that Matthews was saying that we were going to war.
Most Americans agree with him, by the Zogby poll today.
I suppost Chris Matthews was putting that out,
To get people in Congress to debate the issue...
Because Bush seems to feel he has the power alone,
To make that decision.
The numbers revealed in the Zogby poll today,
Are similar to the numbers on the months preceding the invasion of 
Iraq.
Americans do not seem to be pacifist, at all;
Even after the disaster in Iraq.
r.g.



[FairfieldLife] Re: new rajas today

2007-10-30 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ 
wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues 
  curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
  
   The two Purusha got to be a Raja with universal domain!
   
   It really can't get any better than this, can it?  Universal 
domain. 
   For celibates they sure got a big pair on em don't they?
   
  I don't see it as a proclamation of their current status, so 
much as a 
  very public can't-weasel-out-of-it-now statement about their 
  objective. That's some heavy learning they have signed up for. I 
  applaud them for it, costumes and all. Not my trip personally, 
but 
  yeah I think it takes some sizable cajones to take that on, 
probably  
  a much bigger task than they realize today.
 
 What exactly is their task??  They walk around in funny costumes 
and
 occasionally talk about raising money for unbounded infinite
 invincible perfect projects that never happen anyway. And they do a
 really long program that is the same they've done for 30 yrs.  And
 their egos get boosted when they're in public tm celebrations.  I
 watched some of the coronation today and the whole thing seems to 
be
 about the ability to get into a fantasy mental state where you try 
to
 talk real slowly for a very long time without saying anything real.

Maybe that's it-- that they learn to discern moodmaking and BSing 
themselves from the grounded reality of a universal domain-- might 
be pretty humbling, in this life, or next. Quite an austerity is 
what it looks like to me.



[FairfieldLife] Re: Beautiful stories about Maharishi

2007-10-30 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Someone sent me these:
 
 Stories about Maharishi 
 
 
 The Shankaracharya's Welcome to Maharishi
 Jyotir Math, India, 1975 
 From the tradition of Shri Shankaracharya
 He is the disciple just like the Master:
 Destroyer of tamas of the inner Self, King of Rishis,
 And from the darkness of the people He is the bestower of light. 
 
 Greatest of the great, greater than greatness,
 He is indeed the reason for the welfare of the tradition.
 Bestower of the calmness in the three layers of existence,
 Incarnation of Yoga, indeed of Shankara, 
 Whose speech is true speech, Whose demeanor is precise,
 Whose actions are compassionate, Whose fame is compelling,
 In the world of all men He is the inner Self.
 The course of His speech is the incarnate form of Indra. the 
Creator. 
 
 O Mahesh Yogi, let Your benevolence be extended unto me,
 Great Rishi, King of Rishis, Rishi of Gods.
 
 From the light of the Himalayas to the level of the plains
 He resides in the midst of Shankaracharya Nagar.
 
 
 Sri Ananda Mayi Ma
 
 In 1981 during the Vedic Science course in Delhi, Maharishi sent a 
large
 group to the Taj Mahal for a visit. While in Agra, the group heard 
that the
 great saint Sri Ananda Mayee Ma was at her place in Vrindavan, 
which was on
 the route back to Delhi from Agra. Maharishi enthusiastically said 
the group
 should visit her and to take shawls, saris, fruits, garlands, 
sweets —
 masses of them — as our gift.
 
 The group arrived at twilight and meditated in a group outside her 
house
 while waiting for their chance to go up to the roof of the house 
where she
 gave darshan. While the group was waiting two giant white birds 
flew low
 over her house — the celestial quality of the sight made everyone 
gasp.
 
 Dr. Bevan Morris asked the receptionist to inform Sri Ananda Mayee 
Ma that
 we were from Maharishi. But the group had to go up in sections of 
ten as the
 space was limited. Dr. Morris went up in the last group, and found 
that Sri
 Ananda Mayee Ma was sitting deeply withdrawn not paying attention 
to the
 people coming and going, and the pile of cloth, flowers, fruit 
etc. that had
 been placed in front of her. At that stage she was very elderly, 
and near
 the end of her Earth days.
 
 It was immediately obvious to Dr. Morris that she had not been 
told that
 this was Maharishi's group. He asked the administrator again to 
please tell
 Sri Ananda Mayee Ma that these people were sent by Maharishi to 
see her. The
 administrator began to speak to her in Bengali and at the point 
where he
 said Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Sri Ananda Mayee Ma suddenly sat bolt 
upright
 and folded her palms together, and then started grabbing fruits 
and flowers
 and wrapping them up in packages, and giving them to us to deliver 
to
 Maharishi.
 
 Then she gave a sublime message of devoted greeting and love to 
convey to
 Maharishi. The group upon reaching Delhi delivered this message to
 Maharishi's great joy. 
 
 * * * 
 
 
 On another occasion Maharishi was doing Puja with Sri Ananda Mayee 
Ma at her
 place in Haridwar, but finally Maharishi had to go. He told Sri 
Ananda Mayee
 Ma, Ma you stay here and continue, and I will go. She seemed to 
agree and
 let him go, but after a few moments got up and followed Maharishi 
out to the
 car, walking a little behind him with the sweetness of a small 
child. There
 was a mala wala — a garland salesman — with a basket full to the 
brim with
 marigold garlands on the street there, and Sri Ananda Mayee Ma 
pointed to
 him so that her assistant purchased the whole basket. Then Sri 
Ananda Mayee
 Ma took the whole basket to where Maharishi was now sitting in the 
car, and
 she tipped the whole basket of garlands through the window into 
his lap.
 
 Ananda Mayee Ma is considered the greatest lady saint of modern 
India,
 enlightened from a young girl, an expression of Mother Divine. She 
left the
 world in 1982. It was her custom to send westerners who visited to 
Maharishi
 to learn Transcendental Meditation — for example, Peter Wallace, 
the brother
 of Keith. Her devotion to Maharishi shows again that we have 
grasped very
 little of the grandeur of Maharishi's personality and status, and 
his role
 in the universe.
 
 
 Tat Wala Baba
 
 During the Teacher Training Course with Maharishi in the Academy of
 Meditation Shankaracharya Nagar in Rishikesh at the end of 1969, a 
course
 that included many of the greatest luminaries of the Movement, the 
course
 participants asked Maharishi if the famous recluse saint Tat Wala 
Baba could
 come to visit the course, as had happened in previous courses. Tat 
Wala Baba
 was living in a cave about three miles up in the hills behind our 
Academy.
 It was his custom to only come out once a day for one hour to let 
visitors
 enjoy his darshan. There was a lean-to just below his cave for 
this purpose.
 
 He was a very powerful man, very muscular like a wrestler, 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Question for Cardemeister

2007-10-30 Thread Vaj


On Oct 30, 2007, at 6:07 PM, Rick Archer wrote:


A friend wants to know:



Do you have a copy of the 10th Mandala? I'm looking for a hymn that  
describes creation there, how from nothing came something that one  
unbreathed upon breathed of his own strength or something like  
that. Is there anyway you could help me locate that hymn?


I apologize for interjecting your direct question, but this is a  
favorite of mine. Years ago, I corresponded briefly with Jean Le Mee,  
then a prof. at Cooper Union in NYC. It's one of those verses, esp. in  
the original Sanskrit, that you could read every day, for a lifetime.  
Here's what he says--and what inspired me to call him in the first  
place, his translation of the Nasadiya Sukta, the Hymn of Creation,  
the connection between later advaita vedanta and an imagined Vedic  
pedigree (RV X.129):



Perhaps no other Vedic hymn equals in depth and majesty this famous  
Hymn of Creation known to tradition as the Nasadiya Sukta, from its  
opening words. Its seer, Prajäpati Parameshthin, Supreme Lord of  
Creatures, chants in the triplepraise meter his knowledge and his  
wonder as he recalls his vision and in these seven immortal mantras  
seven like the days of creation plants the seeds of Vedic metaphysics  
and mathematics. For this hymn, besides being a cosmogony, is also a  
beautiful meditation on the properties of numbers from one to nine and  
zero. As the Vedanta philosophy was to develop it later in great  
detail, and as other traditions also record, the process of creation  
can be seen as ninefold, each step, each state of consciousness, being  
characterized by the properties of a particular number. Thus, creation  
begins in the Absolute, the one without a second, where neither  
nonbeing nor being was as yet. Then duality creeps in, darkness  
conceals darkness. And so it all begins. In the fifth stanza is a  
brilliant example of the mathematical and structural symbolism alluded  
to in the introduction. The vertical and crosswise directions  
indicated give in words the substance of a sutra yielding a general  
and elegant method of multiplication and division while keeping the  
orders separate the very mechanism of creation itself. It reveals the  
inner properties of five, the number for man, but also for the  
manifestation of creation in the major traditions. Was it not on the  
fifth day that, according to Genesis, God created great whales ...  
and blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply. . .? Pure  
coincidence? Hardly, when we know with what care the Vedic poets con
structed their hymns. And then, what of this other coincidence that we  
find with Dante's Paradiso In virtually the same words as Prajapati  
Parameshthin, the Prince of Poets sings:


Order was created and together with it Were woven the substances;  
Those formed the summit of the world In which pure act was produced.  
Pure potency held the lowest place, In the midst, potency twisted such  
a mighty bond With act, as shall never be severed.


That line, that ray of glory that the wise stretched between the Will  
on high and the Potency beneath, that mighty bond, scales all the  
states of being, uniting in its reach the whole creation.


Yet, from where does it all spring? Who truly knows?

Jean Le Mée Hymns From the Rig-Veda.

If you guys like I can post the translation. It's quite beautiful. The  
earlier work I understand, has been re-issued.


-Vaj





Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: new rajas today

2007-10-30 Thread gullible fool

 Let's do the math together, group. Six new
 rajas, at a million dollars a pop. An estimated
 $50,000 (in the latest begging press release)
 to buy winter clothes. H...let's see...
 how much would that leave for the TM movement
 if they paid for the clothes themselves? 
 
 5,950,000 dollars

What about wire transfer fees to accept the money?
What about the party to celebrate another successful
bilking? Cake with candles to light the light of
invincibility and ice cream and such? Could be another
few hundred euros to knock off your figures, Turq. 

--- TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Six new rajas are being crowned today - names
 below. Ceremony 
  is being broadcast now at maharishi channel #3 at
 mou.org  
  
  I'm told that you no longer need to attend a
 course to become 
  a raja - just wire in the million dollars. I'm
 amazed at how 
  many people have given a million so far - it's
 well over 120 
  by my count.
 
 And the people of Fairfield have to raise 
 money to buy the pundits some winter clothes.
 
 Yeah, *that's* sure the Age Of Enlightenment
 most of us had in mind when we first heard 
 the phrase.
 
 :-)
 
 Let's do the math together, group. Six new
 rajas, at a million dollars a pop. An estimated
 $50,000 (in the latest begging press release)
 to buy winter clothes. H...let's see...
 how much would that leave for the TM movement
 if they paid for the clothes themselves? 
 
 5,950,000 dollars. As opposed to 5,975,000 
 dollars given their plan to have the people
 of Fairfield provide $25K in matching funds. 
 
 As an example of where an organization's priorities
 lie, I think this little math exercise speaks
 volumes.
 
 Then again (trying for balance here, and to provide
 the Deva's advocate argument), we're probably not 
 aware of all the *other* expenses that the TMO has 
 to pay for the upkeep of the pundits. It's possible
 that they blew the whole 5,975,000 bucks already on
 barbed wire to keep the pundits in their compounds.
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] new rajas today

2007-10-30 Thread gullible fool

I know only one of them, because he's from my area. ,
Believe it or not, he has a Harvard law degree.

You come in here with a skullful of mush...I train
your mind. What would be the TMO version of this
line?

--- Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Oct 30, 2007, at 11:00 AM, boo_lives wrote:
 
  Six new rajas are being crowned today - names
 below.  Ceremony is
  being broadcast now at maharishi channel #3 at
 mou.org
 
 It must be symbolic of something that only one of
 the names mentioned, 
 John Fagan, is even  familiar.   They've got a whole
 new crop to work 
 with now it seems.
 
  I'm told that you no longer need to attend a
 course to become a raja -
   just wire in the million dollars.  I'm amazed at
 how many people have
  given a million so far - it's well over 120 by my
 count.
 
 PT Barnum reigns supreme in this crowd, just when
 you think it can't 
 get any loonier.
 
 Sal
 



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: new rajas today

2007-10-30 Thread gullible fool

It's all where your good karma take you, curtis. Their
good karma got them money, but not fast techniques for
awakening. My good karma got me fast techniques for
awakening, but not money. Funny, in all my travels and
33 years of spiritual techniques and great good
fortune to have had the divine send some of the most
amazingly fast spiritual techniques my away, I have
yet to come across a single person who had both. It's
money or it's awakening, one or the other. 

--- curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 What exactly is their task?? They walk around in
 funny costumes and
 occasionally talk about raising money for unbounded
 infinite
 invincible perfect projects that never happen
 anyway. And they do a
 really long program that is the same they've done
 for 30 yrs. And
 their egos get boosted when they're in public tm
 celebrations. I
 watched some of the coronation today and the whole
 thing seems to be
 about the ability to get into a fantasy mental state
 where you try to
 talk real slowly for a very long time without saying
 anything real.
 
 If there is anything funnier then goofing on Rajas I
 haven't found it!
  Thanks for the laugh man.
 
 
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
 jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
 curtisdeltablues 
   curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
   
The two Purusha got to be a Raja with
 universal domain!

It really can't get any better than this, can
 it?  Universal
 domain. 
For celibates they sure got a big pair on em
 don't they?

   I don't see it as a proclamation of their
 current status, so much
 as a 
   very public can't-weasel-out-of-it-now statement
 about their 
   objective. That's some heavy learning they have
 signed up for. I 
   applaud them for it, costumes and all. Not my
 trip personally, but 
   yeah I think it takes some sizable cajones to
 take that on, probably  
   a much bigger task than they realize today.
  
  What exactly is their task??  They walk around in
 funny costumes and
  occasionally talk about raising money for
 unbounded infinite
  invincible perfect projects that never happen
 anyway. And they do a
  really long program that is the same they've done
 for 30 yrs.  And
  their egos get boosted when they're in public tm
 celebrations.  I
  watched some of the coronation today and the whole
 thing seems to be
  about the ability to get into a fantasy mental
 state where you try to
  talk real slowly for a very long time without
 saying anything real.
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: new rajas today

2007-10-30 Thread Peter
Curtis, wouldn't it be fun to get a few beers in 'em
and then ask, What the f*ck, dude, just what the
f*ck?

--- curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 What exactly is their task?? They walk around in
 funny costumes and
 occasionally talk about raising money for unbounded
 infinite
 invincible perfect projects that never happen
 anyway. And they do a
 really long program that is the same they've done
 for 30 yrs. And
 their egos get boosted when they're in public tm
 celebrations. I
 watched some of the coronation today and the whole
 thing seems to be
 about the ability to get into a fantasy mental state
 where you try to
 talk real slowly for a very long time without saying
 anything real.
 
 If there is anything funnier then goofing on Rajas I
 haven't found it!
  Thanks for the laugh man.
 
 
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
 jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
 curtisdeltablues 
   curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
   
The two Purusha got to be a Raja with
 universal domain!

It really can't get any better than this, can
 it?  Universal
 domain. 
For celibates they sure got a big pair on em
 don't they?

   I don't see it as a proclamation of their
 current status, so much
 as a 
   very public can't-weasel-out-of-it-now statement
 about their 
   objective. That's some heavy learning they have
 signed up for. I 
   applaud them for it, costumes and all. Not my
 trip personally, but 
   yeah I think it takes some sizable cajones to
 take that on, probably  
   a much bigger task than they realize today.
  
  What exactly is their task??  They walk around in
 funny costumes and
  occasionally talk about raising money for
 unbounded infinite
  invincible perfect projects that never happen
 anyway. And they do a
  really long program that is the same they've done
 for 30 yrs.  And
  their egos get boosted when they're in public tm
 celebrations.  I
  watched some of the coronation today and the whole
 thing seems to be
  about the ability to get into a fantasy mental
 state where you try to
  talk real slowly for a very long time without
 saying anything real.
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Question for Cardemeister

2007-10-30 Thread Angela Mailander
If you guys find this hymn, please let me know.  It's my favorite, and the 
pages where it should be are missing from my copy of the tenth mandala.  a

Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   

On Oct 30, 2007, at 6:07 PM, Rick Archer wrote:

A friend wants to know:
 
Do you have a copy of the 10th Mandala? I'm looking for a hymn that describes 
creation there, how from nothing came something that one unbreathed upon 
breathed of his own strength or something like that. Is there anyway you could 
help me locate that hymn?

I apologize for interjecting your direct question, but this is a favorite of 
mine. Years ago, I corresponded briefly with Jean Le Mee, then a prof. at 
Cooper Union in NYC. It's one of those verses, esp. in the original Sanskrit, 
that you could read every day, for a lifetime. Here's what he says--and what 
inspired me to call him in the first place, his translation of the Nasadiya 
Sukta, the Hymn of Creation, the connection between later advaita vedanta and 
an imagined Vedic pedigree (RV X.129):


Perhaps no other Vedic hymn equals in depth and majesty this famous Hymn of 
Creation known to tradition as the Nasadiya Sukta, from its opening words. Its 
seer, Prajäpati Parameshthin, Supreme Lord of Creatures, chants in the 
triplepraise meter his knowledge and his wonder as he recalls his vision and 
in these seven immortal mantras seven like the days of creation plants the 
seeds of Vedic metaphysics and mathematics. For this hymn, besides being a 
cosmogony, is also a beautiful meditation on the properties of numbers from one 
to nine and zero. As the Vedanta philosophy was to develop it later in great 
detail, and as other traditions also record, the process of creation can be 
seen as ninefold, each step, each state of consciousness, being characterized 
by the properties of a particular number. Thus, creation begins in the 
Absolute, the one without a second, where neither nonbeing nor being was as 
yet. Then duality creeps in, darkness conceals darkness. And so it all
 begins. In the fifth stanza is a brilliant example of the mathematical and 
structural symbolism alluded to in the introduction. The vertical and crosswise 
directions indicated give in words the substance of a sutra yielding a general 
and elegant method of multiplication and division while keeping the orders 
separate the very mechanism of creation itself. It reveals the inner properties 
of five, the number for man, but also for the manifestation of creation in the 
major traditions. Was it not on the fifth day that, according to Genesis, God 
created great whales ... and blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply. . 
.? Pure coincidence? Hardly, when we know with what care the Vedic poets con
structed their hymns. And then, what of this other coincidence that we find 
with Dante's Paradiso In virtually the same words as Prajapati Parameshthin, 
the Prince of Poets sings:


Order was created and together with it Were woven the substances; Those formed 
the summit of the world In which pure act was produced. Pure potency held the 
lowest place, In the midst, potency twisted such a mighty bond With act, as 
shall never be severed.


That line, that ray of glory that the wise stretched between the Will on high 
and the Potency beneath, that mighty bond, scales all the states of being, 
uniting in its reach the whole creation.


Yet, from where does it all spring? Who truly knows?


Jean Le Mée Hymns From the Rig-Veda.


If you guys like I can post the translation. It's quite beautiful. The earlier 
work I understand, has been re-issued.


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RE: [FairfieldLife] From Margi Gunn

2007-10-30 Thread Peter

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 I knew Dick Gunn for years. He took over the TM
 activities in Fairfield County Connecticut after
 Rick
 Archer. He was quite a character. He became a
 chiropractor years ago. RIP Dick. I feel ya right
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 Ha!
 
 He died of an aneurism at a family gathering with
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 Duffy in New Hampshire.

Rick, could you side mail me Margi's email address.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: new rajas today

2007-10-30 Thread curtisdeltablues
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Curtis, wouldn't it be fun to get a few beers in 'em
 and then ask, What the f*ck, dude, just what the
 f*ck?

Or we could just ditch the stiffs and find a joint with a couple of
poles enthusiastically graced by America's finest.  I think we both
already know too much about the pompous bullshittery going on under
those golden space caps.  I would much rather spend some time in the
Champagne room with a chick with a luxury car's name and a fist full
of 20s!

But back to your idea, I imagine we would have to get them into a few
rounds of shots before they would look us in the eye and admit, Yeah
man, I'm sorry, I just got carried away with myself and I now look
like a total tool!


 
 --- curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 
  What exactly is their task?? They walk around in
  funny costumes and
  occasionally talk about raising money for unbounded
  infinite
  invincible perfect projects that never happen
  anyway. And they do a
  really long program that is the same they've done
  for 30 yrs. And
  their egos get boosted when they're in public tm
  celebrations. I
  watched some of the coronation today and the whole
  thing seems to be
  about the ability to get into a fantasy mental state
  where you try to
  talk real slowly for a very long time without saying
  anything real.
  
  If there is anything funnier then goofing on Rajas I
  haven't found it!
   Thanks for the laugh man.
  
  
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives
  boo_lives@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
  jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
  curtisdeltablues 
curtisdeltablues@ wrote:

 The two Purusha got to be a Raja with
  universal domain!
 
 It really can't get any better than this, can
  it?  Universal
  domain. 
 For celibates they sure got a big pair on em
  don't they?
 
I don't see it as a proclamation of their
  current status, so much
  as a 
very public can't-weasel-out-of-it-now statement
  about their 
objective. That's some heavy learning they have
  signed up for. I 
applaud them for it, costumes and all. Not my
  trip personally, but 
yeah I think it takes some sizable cajones to
  take that on, probably  
a much bigger task than they realize today.
   
   What exactly is their task??  They walk around in
  funny costumes and
   occasionally talk about raising money for
  unbounded infinite
   invincible perfect projects that never happen
  anyway. And they do a
   really long program that is the same they've done
  for 30 yrs.  And
   their egos get boosted when they're in public tm
  celebrations.  I
   watched some of the coronation today and the whole
  thing seems to be
   about the ability to get into a fantasy mental
  state where you try to
   talk real slowly for a very long time without
  saying anything real.
  
  
  
  
  
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Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Zogby: Majority Favor Strikes on Iran '

2007-10-30 Thread Bhairitu
Proof that Americans have lost their minds, if not their souls.

Robert wrote:
 Zogby: Majority Favor Strikes on Iran

 Monday, October 29, 2007 9:47 PM





 A majority of likely voters - 52 percent - would support a U.S. military 
 strike to prevent Iran from building a nuclear weapon, and 53 percent believe 
 it is likely that the U.S. will be involved in a military strike against Iran 
 before the next presidential election, a new Zogby America telephone poll 
 shows. 
 The survey results come at a time of increasing U.S. scrutiny of Iran. 
 According to reports from the Associated Press, earlier this month Secretary 
 of State Condoleezza Rice accused Iran of lying about the aim of its 
 nuclear program and Vice President Dick Cheney has raised the prospect of 
 serious consequences if the U.S. were to discover Iran was attempting to 
 devolop a nuclear weapon. Last week, the Bush administration also announced 
 new sanctions against Iran. 
 Democrats (63 percent) are most likely to believe a U.S. military strike 
 against Iran could take place in the relatively near future, but independents 
 (51 percent) and Republicans (44 percent) are less likely to agree. 
 Republicans, however, are much more likely to be supportive of a strike (71 
 percent), than Democrats (41 percent) or independents (44 percent). Younger 
 likely voters are more likely than those who are older to say a strike is 
 likely to happen before the election and women (58 percent) are more likely 
 than men (48 percent) to say the same – but there is little difference in 
 support for a U.S. strike against Iran among these groups. 
 When asked which presidential candidate would be best equipped to deal with 
 Iran – regardless of whether or not they expected the U.S. to attack Iran – 
 21 percent would most like to see New York U.S. Sen. Hillary Clinton leading 
 the country, while 15 percent would prefer former New York mayor Rudy 
 Giuliani and 14 percent would want Arizona U.S. Sen. John McCain in charge. 
 Another 10 percent said Illinois Sen. Barack Obama would be best equipped to 
 deal with Iran, while Republican Fred Thompson (5 percent), Democrat John 
 Edwards (4 percent) and Republican Mitt Romney (3 percent) were less likely 
 to be viewed as the best leaders to help the U.S. deal with Iran. The 
 telephone poll of 1,028 likely voters nationwide was conducted Oct. 24-27, 
 2007 and carries a margin of error of +/- 3.1 percentage points. 
 Clinton leads strongly among Democrats on the issue, with 35 percent saying 
 she is best equipped to deal with Iran, while 17 percent would prefer Obama 
 and 7 percent view John Edwards as the best choice. Giuliani is the top 
 choice of Republicans (28 percent), followed by McCain (21 percent) and Fred 
 Thompson (9 percent). One in five independents chose Clinton (21 percent) 
 over McCain (16 percent) and Giuliani (11 percent). Clinton was the top 
 choice among women (24 percent), while 14 percent would be more confident 
 with Giuliani in the White House and 11 percent would prefer McCain. Men 
 slightly prefer McCain (18 percent) to Clinton (17 percent) on this issue, 
 while 15 percent said Giuliani is best equipped to deal with Iran. The survey 
 also shows there is a significant amount of uncertainty if any of the long 
 list of declared candidates would be best equipped to deal the Iran – 19 
 percent overall said they weren’t sure which candidate to choose. 
 There is considerable division about when a strike on Iran should take place 
 – if at all. Twenty-eight percent believe the U.S. should wait to strike 
 until after the next president is in office while 23 percent would favor a 
 strike before the end of President Bush’s term. Another 29 percent said the 
 U.S. should not attack Iran, and 20 percent were unsure. The view that Iran 
 should not be attacked by the U.S. is strongest among Democrats (37 percent) 
 and independents, but fewer than half as many Republicans (15 percent) feel 
 the same. But Republicans are also more likely to be uncertain on the issue 
 (28 percent). 
 As the possibility the U.S. my strike Iran captures headlines around the 
 world, many have given thought to the possibility of an attack at home. Two 
 in three (68 percent) believe it is likely that the U.S. will suffer another 
 significant terrorist attack on U.S. soil comparable to the attacks of Sept. 
 11, 2001 – of those, 27 percent believe such an attack is very likely. Nearly 
 one in three (31 percent) believe the next significant attack will occur 
 between one and three years from now, 22 percent said they believe the next 
 attack is between three and five years away, and 15 percent said they don’t 
 think the U.S. will be attacked on U.S. soil for at least five years or 
 longer. Just 9 percent believe a significant terrorist attack will take place 
 in the U.S. before the next presidential election. 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] From Judy: Re: 9-11 -- The Inside Job was merely a blip

2007-10-30 Thread Bhairitu
It depends on the individual.  There are plenty of people subscribed 
here who will engage in an honest exchange of ideas but they may not be 
posting at the moment.  I think a number of people were also turned off 
by a posting limit and haven't been back since.  And then there is that 
bunch who want to engage in arm wrestling.  I've always taken it as a 
sign of insecurity.  I also find this on some tech forums I'm on as 
people want to advertise their expertise even if it is only the 
armchair variety.

And then because of search engines exactitude has become a disease on 
the web.  Some people want your facts to be exactly right on with no 
causal or off the top of your head information permitted.  That is a 
little insane I think and can make communication tedious.

Angela Mailander wrote:
 Bhairitu,
 I've got the impression that this group is not really interested in an honest 
 exchange of ideas, but, rather, in finding ways to shoot one another down 
 with more or less venom. It doesn't matter how good your logic or your 
 evidence is, it simply will not be received in the spirit of honest inquiry.  
 I'm not accusing you and have not seen you do this---I'm only noting a 
 general impression.  Also, the shooting down is usually not at any major 
 point in an argument, but some side issue---I'd call it a special instance of 
 the Texas sharp shooter's fallacy in which the shooter sprays bullets at the 
 side of a barn and then goes and draws a target around the places where the 
 bullets have hit.  Of course, he's on target every time in his own mind.  Is 
 this your impression also? Or am I totally wrong? a

   



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: hate America?

2007-10-30 Thread Peter
Jesus, some people are just soo very precious,
aren't they? Today, I did not step on an ant. I could
have stepped on the ant, but I didn't. I made the
choice not to step on the ant. I choose to be a non
ant stepper. I could have been an ant stepper, but I
am not an ant stepper. This is what I am, a non ant
stepper. What a load of self-absorbed bullsh*t! God,
do people seem to commit suicide around you, Angela,
because I certainly would! Jesus, where's a bridge, I
gotta jump! Do you ever question the impact your
self-absorbed rants have on anyone other than
yourself. Hitler wants to know. 


--- feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 A fine rant, Edg, I enjoyed it. 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  http://www.projectcensored.org/censored_2008/
  
  Here's the censored stories that BigEvil doesn't
 want the masses
  knowing much about.
  
  Feste27, the minds that keep this knowledge from
 the headlines are
  LIKE YOURS -- except, you know, you're a pissant
 they'd never deign to
  have as part of their cabal since you don't have
 two IQ points to rub
  together.  Wait, I'll take that back.  The
 intellectually challenged
  deserve our love, but you are a mindful supporter
 of evil and you're
  so bad at it that evil too cannot stand you. 
  
  Yours is the face of the banality of Kali Yuga --
 when every manner of
  oblivious self-serving hideous rationalization is
 commonplace.
  
  Edg
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37
 feste37@ wrote:
  
   Bag lady, huh? Well, you certainly seem to have
 a lot of baggage. You
   almost got through this post without mentioning
 Hitler, until you
   stumbled at the last. This reminds me a little
 of Rudy G., who can't
   seem to open his mouth without mentioning 9/11.
 Oh well, I guess we
   all have our obsessions.  
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela
 Mailander
   mailander111@ wrote:
   
If you have no interest in me, why make
 assumptions about who I am
   and what I love or hate?  I told you the truth.
 Circumstances are
   always complex, and I assure you there is no
 conspiracy against me.
   When I arrived at the L.A. airport from China, I
 had a return ticket
   in my pocket.  Homeland Security said, You can
 go back to China if
   you want, but if you do, you're never coming
 back here. When I got to
   Ff, I asked Congressman Leach if this was legal,
 and he said that it
   was, that they could have denied me entry.  I
 checked with an attorney
   specializing in such matters, and was told that
 people had been denied
   entry for no reason. So, I was here with two
 suitcases, no money, no
   place to stay, no job, and no job prospects, and
 a decision to make:
   Rich woman in China, or bag lady in the U.S.  I 
 I had two weeks to
   make that decision, and went for bag lady. 
 Smart does not necessarily
   mean money, as Americans seem to be convinced it
 does. 

I've never taught at any University, here, in
 Germany, or in China
   when my colleagues didn't respect me. I agreed
 at some point with an
   article that said American education had hit
 rock bottom.  I said we
   were all, including me, embedded in it, and I
 said my Ph.D. wasn't
   worth what earlier Ph.D. had been worth in terms
 of academic
   standards. People got their egos bent over this.
  When people hear
   that American education is terrible, even if
 they agree with that,
   they always want to talk about it as if it
 doesn't include them. 
  Absurd. 

The comparison between Nazi Germany and the
 U.S. is not absurd, but
   I'm done talking about it.  The extant
 information allowing that
   comparison is becoming more and more available
 in English, but you are
   not really interested nor willing to listen with
 an open mind.  Not
   everyone you disagree with is delusional, but
 wanting to hospitalize
   those whom you deem so (in your professional
 opinion), is something
   Hitler would have agreed with.  a

feste37 feste37@ wrote: 
  I have no
   interest in fathoming who you are. But this
 story, if true,
 is a nice reversal of the usual one—being
 able to make money in
 China
 but choosing poverty in America. But dear
 Angela, if you are so
  smart,
 and you are continually telling us that you
 are, how come you
 cannot
 make money in this great land of opportunity?
 If you are so
  smart, why
 are you poor? Some terrible conspiracy
 against you, perhaps? A
  refusal
 by others to recognize your great genius?
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela
 Mailander
 mailander111@ wrote:
 
  I find your accusation that I hate America
 nothing short of
 astounding--just because I see clearly
 doesn't mean I hate. I
 already
 told you that when I was eighteen I had a
 choice between wealth and
 ruling class status in Europe and poverty in
 America.  I chose
  poverty
 in America.  I 

Re: [FairfieldLife] From Judy: Re: 9-11 -- The Inside Job was merely a blip

2007-10-30 Thread Angela Mailander
Thanks.  I'll hang out and see what happens.  I certainly am not interested in 
personal attacks. I also belong to a tech forum, which discusses the 
mathematics of G. Spencer Brown, there is very little posturing and always 
respect even for people who are beginners and trying to learn. a

Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   It depends on 
the individual.  There are plenty of people subscribed 
 here who will engage in an honest exchange of ideas but they may not be 
 posting at the moment.  I think a number of people were also turned off 
 by a posting limit and haven't been back since.  And then there is that 
 bunch who want to engage in arm wrestling.  I've always taken it as a 
 sign of insecurity.  I also find this on some tech forums I'm on as 
 people want to advertise their expertise even if it is only the 
 armchair variety.
 
 And then because of search engines exactitude has become a disease on 
 the web.  Some people want your facts to be exactly right on with no 
 causal or off the top of your head information permitted.  That is a 
 little insane I think and can make communication tedious.
 
 Angela Mailander wrote:
  Bhairitu,
  I've got the impression that this group is not really interested in an 
  honest exchange of ideas, but, rather, in finding ways to shoot one another 
  down with more or less venom. It doesn't matter how good your logic or your 
  evidence is, it simply will not be received in the spirit of honest inquiry. 
   I'm not accusing you and have not seen you do this---I'm only noting a 
  general impression.  Also, the shooting down is usually not at any major 
  point in an argument, but some side issue---I'd call it a special instance 
  of the Texas sharp shooter's fallacy in which the shooter sprays bullets at 
  the side of a barn and then goes and draws a target around the places where 
  the bullets have hit.  Of course, he's on target every time in his own mind. 
   Is this your impression also? Or am I totally wrong? a
 

 
 
 
   

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[FairfieldLife] Re: new rajas today

2007-10-30 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ 
wrote:
 
  Curtis, wouldn't it be fun to get a few beers in 'em
  and then ask, What the f*ck, dude, just what the
  f*ck?
 
 Or we could just ditch the stiffs and find a joint with a couple of
 poles enthusiastically graced by America's finest.  I think we both
 already know too much about the pompous bullshittery going on under
 those golden space caps.  I would much rather spend some time in 
the
 Champagne room with a chick with a luxury car's name and a fist 
full
 of 20s!
 
 But back to your idea, I imagine we would have to get them into a 
few
 rounds of shots before they would look us in the eye and 
admit, Yeah
 man, I'm sorry, I just got carried away with myself and I now look
 like a total tool!
 
gotta say that you both sound like a couple of pussies-- I honestly 
would not be able to do what those guys do-- not that I want to, but 
I really don't have the balls to dress up like that and buy into 
that reality so deeply and with such commitment and dedication. I 
guess that makes me a pussy too...and while your at it, pass me a 
shot of tequila, the good stuff, please.



[FairfieldLife] Re: new rajas today

2007-10-30 Thread curtisdeltablues
 gotta say that you both sound like a couple of pussies-- I honestly 
 would not be able to do what those guys do-- not that I want to, but 
 I really don't have the balls to dress up like that and buy into 
 that reality so deeply and with such commitment and dedication. I 
 guess that makes me a pussy too...and while your at it, pass me a 
 shot of tequila, the good stuff, please.


Both Peter and I did buy into that reality so deeply and with such
commitment and dedication at one time Jim.  Then we caught a clue.

Looking like a douchebag is your idea of manliness? It doesn't take
balls it takes self-delusion to be a Raja.  If they are your heroes
then I think you will be drinking alone. 



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues 
 curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ 
 wrote:
  
   Curtis, wouldn't it be fun to get a few beers in 'em
   and then ask, What the f*ck, dude, just what the
   f*ck?
  
  Or we could just ditch the stiffs and find a joint with a couple of
  poles enthusiastically graced by America's finest.  I think we both
  already know too much about the pompous bullshittery going on under
  those golden space caps.  I would much rather spend some time in 
 the
  Champagne room with a chick with a luxury car's name and a fist 
 full
  of 20s!
  
  But back to your idea, I imagine we would have to get them into a 
 few
  rounds of shots before they would look us in the eye and 
 admit, Yeah
  man, I'm sorry, I just got carried away with myself and I now look
  like a total tool!
  
 gotta say that you both sound like a couple of pussies-- I honestly 
 would not be able to do what those guys do-- not that I want to, but 
 I really don't have the balls to dress up like that and buy into 
 that reality so deeply and with such commitment and dedication. I 
 guess that makes me a pussy too...and while your at it, pass me a 
 shot of tequila, the good stuff, please.





[FairfieldLife] Re: new rajas today

2007-10-30 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  gotta say that you both sound like a couple of pussies-- I 
honestly 
  would not be able to do what those guys do-- not that I want to, 
but 
  I really don't have the balls to dress up like that and buy into 
  that reality so deeply and with such commitment and dedication. 
I 
  guess that makes me a pussy too...and while your at it, pass me 
a 
  shot of tequila, the good stuff, please.
 
 
 Both Peter and I did buy into that reality so deeply and with such
 commitment and dedication at one time Jim.  Then we caught a clue.
 
 Looking like a douchebag is your idea of manliness? It doesn't take
 balls it takes self-delusion to be a Raja.  If they are your heroes
 then I think you will be drinking alone. 
 
These guys aren't anywhere near my heroes- I don't know where you 
got that idea. I'm just asking the question if you could do what 
they do, whatever the motive, and you are saying no way, and I 
couldn't either. I am not asking like I buy into it, I'm asking you 
if you have guts enough to do it, the cajones dude-- not what comes 
naturally to you or me, playing music, or working at a company, but 
dressing up and preaching stuff that not even one percent of the 
people on the globe buy into. Maybe they all wake up one day and 
think, god I made such an ass out of myself. I don't know that, and 
neither do you. I'm just saying that whatever the motive, it takes 
more balls than either you or I have.



[FairfieldLife] Re: new rajas today

2007-10-30 Thread pranamoocher
No doubt the Harvard law degree Raja is Steve  Rubin, who made it rich
in the oil brokerage business years ago.
Very sharp guy and long time TM teacher from early 70's.
Why China??



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 I know only one of them, because he's from my area. ,
 Believe it or not, he has a Harvard law degree.

 You come in here with a skullful of mush...I train
 your mind. What would be the TMO version of this
 line?

 --- Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  On Oct 30, 2007, at 11:00 AM, boo_lives wrote:
 
   Six new rajas are being crowned today - names
  below.  Ceremony is
   being broadcast now at maharishi channel #3 at
  mou.org
 
  It must be symbolic of something that only one of
  the names mentioned,
  John Fagan, is even  familiar.   They've got a whole
  new crop to work
  with now it seems.
 
   I'm told that you no longer need to attend a
  course to become a raja -
just wire in the million dollars.  I'm amazed at
  how many people have
   given a million so far - it's well over 120 by my
  count.
 
  PT Barnum reigns supreme in this crowd, just when
  you think it can't
  get any loonier.
 
  Sal
 



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[FairfieldLife] Re: new rajas today

2007-10-30 Thread curtisdeltablues
 These guys aren't anywhere near my heroes- I don't know where you 
 got that idea. I'm just asking the question if you could do what 
 they do, whatever the motive, and you are saying no way, and I 
 couldn't either. I am not asking like I buy into it, I'm asking you 
 if you have guts enough to do it, the cajones dude-- not what comes 
 naturally to you or me, playing music, or working at a company, but 
 dressing up and preaching stuff that not even one percent of the 
 people on the globe buy into. Maybe they all wake up one day and 
 think, god I made such an ass out of myself. I don't know that, and 
 neither do you. I'm just saying that whatever the motive, it takes 
 more balls than either you or I have.


And how do you know that acting like asses doesn't come naturally to
these guys?  I did preach the same stuff for 15 years and it has
nothing to do with your ball sack or guts.  Attributing them with
virtues for acting as they do may be a match for you.  But please
leave me out of it.  If you think it takes a lot of guts to wear silly
hats, take a good look around tomorrow night.  The country will be
practically covered with humans with the same amount of guts.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues 
 curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
 
   gotta say that you both sound like a couple of pussies-- I 
 honestly 
   would not be able to do what those guys do-- not that I want to, 
 but 
   I really don't have the balls to dress up like that and buy into 
   that reality so deeply and with such commitment and dedication. 
 I 
   guess that makes me a pussy too...and while your at it, pass me 
 a 
   shot of tequila, the good stuff, please.
  
  
  Both Peter and I did buy into that reality so deeply and with such
  commitment and dedication at one time Jim.  Then we caught a clue.
  
  Looking like a douchebag is your idea of manliness? It doesn't take
  balls it takes self-delusion to be a Raja.  If they are your heroes
  then I think you will be drinking alone. 
  
 These guys aren't anywhere near my heroes- I don't know where you 
 got that idea. I'm just asking the question if you could do what 
 they do, whatever the motive, and you are saying no way, and I 
 couldn't either. I am not asking like I buy into it, I'm asking you 
 if you have guts enough to do it, the cajones dude-- not what comes 
 naturally to you or me, playing music, or working at a company, but 
 dressing up and preaching stuff that not even one percent of the 
 people on the globe buy into. Maybe they all wake up one day and 
 think, god I made such an ass out of myself. I don't know that, and 
 neither do you. I'm just saying that whatever the motive, it takes 
 more balls than either you or I have.





[FairfieldLife] From Judy (Re: Is Flaming Evil not allowed here? )

2007-10-30 Thread Duveyoung
Re: From Judy (Re: Is Flaming Evil not allowed here? )

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 You do not have my interpretation  of Hamlet, only a very short snippet.
 No judgment as the quality of the whole can be based on that. a

Disingenous (again). You (following Peter Brook)
took a couple of lines of a very long play and
*misread* them in a manner completely contrary
to anything that's actually in the play, let
alone in the lines themselves.

And more disingenuity: You were most definitely
putting forward an interpretation of the play.
Here's the part that comes right before what I
quoted from your post:

Rulers throughout history have never been bound by the distinction
ordinary human beings naturally draw between good and evil.  The
Gita makes that perfectly plain.  And so does Shakespeare's Hamlet.
I imagine we're all familiar with the Gita, particularly with verse
45 of Chapter Two.  Hamlet's theme can be understood as an
elaboration of that verse.

Not only does Shakespeare not make it perfectly
plain that rulers are not bound by the distinction
between good and evil, he explicitly *contradicts*
any such notion, again and again throughout his
plays: even his loftiest rulers are subject to the
same terrible flaws, and especially to the same
self-doubt, as the rest of humankind.

Hamlet's theme can legitimately be understood in
many ways, but one way it *cannot* be understood
is as an elaboration of verse II:45 of the Gita.

Bash away at the Gita all you like, but don't try
to ensnare Shakespeare in your net through guilt
by warped association. That's about as
intellectually dishonest as it gets.





[FairfieldLife] Re: new rajas today

2007-10-30 Thread Duveyoung
Jim,

I grok your concept, but it's a bit limiting to think that every Raja
is processing it.  Sure seems they would all be doing so, but I've met
s many second generation rich kids, now grown up, who just seem to
believe they're minor gods at least. 

They were raised in milieus we know not of. There's many such types
running their businesses in FF -- running through daddy's accounts
fast or using their family's coat-tails to grab OPM.  I've seen
$40,000,000 slide through the fingers of one company in FF before it
went bust -- run by a rich kid who used his father's moola and
business connections to grab OPM.  Several are operating constantly in
the red, hoping to still some day stop the hemorrhaging of hard won
family funds.  

They're usually very hoity toity, and it may only be hard for them to
put on the robes cuz the material is so scratchy, but otherwise,
hey, they're THERE for the deal.

And tomorrow, after all, millions of kids will dress up in costumes
that look about as cheap as raja clothes, so, wow, just think, there's
our whole culture training future rajas.  

I've never met someone high-up in the TMO and rich to boot who was a
chummy person -- they're hit up for money constantly and are just
forced into these strange, furtive, role-playing, hardened
personalities.  Costumes might give them that psychological distance
from the masses that they long for.  

Okay, they're doing something we just can't know the costs of, but I
don't think I could keep a straight face meeting one of them.

Edg







--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues 
 curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
 
   gotta say that you both sound like a couple of pussies-- I 
 honestly 
   would not be able to do what those guys do-- not that I want to, 
 but 
   I really don't have the balls to dress up like that and buy into 
   that reality so deeply and with such commitment and dedication. 
 I 
   guess that makes me a pussy too...and while your at it, pass me 
 a 
   shot of tequila, the good stuff, please.
  
  
  Both Peter and I did buy into that reality so deeply and with such
  commitment and dedication at one time Jim.  Then we caught a clue.
  
  Looking like a douchebag is your idea of manliness? It doesn't take
  balls it takes self-delusion to be a Raja.  If they are your heroes
  then I think you will be drinking alone. 
  
 These guys aren't anywhere near my heroes- I don't know where you 
 got that idea. I'm just asking the question if you could do what 
 they do, whatever the motive, and you are saying no way, and I 
 couldn't either. I am not asking like I buy into it, I'm asking you 
 if you have guts enough to do it, the cajones dude-- not what comes 
 naturally to you or me, playing music, or working at a company, but 
 dressing up and preaching stuff that not even one percent of the 
 people on the globe buy into. Maybe they all wake up one day and 
 think, god I made such an ass out of myself. I don't know that, and 
 neither do you. I'm just saying that whatever the motive, it takes 
 more balls than either you or I have.





[FairfieldLife] From Judy: (Re: 9-11 -- The Inside Job was merely a blip)

2007-10-30 Thread Duveyoung
-- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Duveyoung wrote:
  Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 9-11 -- The Inside Job was merely a blip
  (snip  thought police)
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote:
 
  It's good to look at 9-11 like a mystery movie.  It would be like
one of
  those movies were a dirty cop kills some innocent person and an
equally
  corrupt police force covers up for him.  In the process private
  detectives and journalists begin to uncover what really went on.   Of
  course the corrupt police hassles them and try to throw them off
as they
  get too close to the truth.
 
  Likewise if 9-11 were an inside job then of course they it would make
  perfect sense that the perpetrators would use disinformation to throw
  9-11 truthers off course.  Many of the 9-11 truth people go to great
  pains to filter out disinformation and incorrect evidence.  
They're not
  going to be perfect but neither are the perps.  Time will tell.
 
 
  Justifying the 9/11 conspiracy theories by suggesting
  they're like what's portrayed in the movies is more
  revealing than you realize.
 
 The movie example (as you should well know) is used as an illustration
 of a cover-up.  We've had a number of cover-ups exposed during our
 lifetime.

So why not use a *real* cover-up as an example?

 Why would 9-11 be any different?

There, you just did it again: Because there have
been cover-ups in the past, therefore there must
have been a cover-up of 9/11.

Not every story backed by the government is a
cover-up, Bhairitu. Nothing wrong with looking at
government-backed stories more closely, but when
you look and look and don't *find* anything that
holds up under examination, it's time to give the
cover-up theory a rest.

  That is unless you actually
 believe that 19 terrorists armed with box cutters pulled the
 thing off.

They certainly pulled off the actual attacks.
Whether they had some help from unknown sources
is another question entirely.

snip
 Those are the pages I checked earlier right out of the book BUT it
 doesn't say anything there that specifically Angel was a secret
 codeword.  The top secret code words and procedures would refer to the
 ones that allowed them to communicate the message.

Oh, come on. Talk about a stretch! Top secret code
words clearly refers to Angel. And if the code
word is inside information, that also implies
secrecy.

Here's something Tarpley said during an interview:

'Angel is next' implies the top-secret codename or
codeword for the Presidential aircraft, Air Force One.

The administration is caught in a dilemma here.
If the message was just a misunderstanding, it
makes Bush look very foolish for not coming back
to D.C. right away and going through all kinds of
aimless maneuvers. If it *wasn't* a
misunderstanding, as Tarpley correctly says, it
would implicate people within the administration
in 9/11.

snip
  It's a *non sequitur joke*. You've got things very
  confused in your mind about my position.
 
 ROTFL!  Position? Tap dancing would be more like it.

Not. My position is entirely consistent. Your
eyes are tap dancing. You still don't see where
you got it wrong.

snip
  Start with 911myths.com and debunking911.com. They
  have links to lots of other debunking sites. Some
  are better than others, of course.
 
 So why should be believe them any more than we should believe the 911
 truth sites?

Up to you. The guy who put them up (I think he's
responsible for both of them) says over and over
again that we shouldn't take his word for anything.

snip
  That is bunk.  Conspiracies are a part of history.  For some bizarre
  reason you don't like to admit to them.
 
  Never said conspiracies weren't a part of history.
  I'll admit to plenty of 'em. For some bizarre
  reason you believe anybody who thinks the 9/11
  conspiracy theories are bunk must be unwilling
  to entertain the idea that there have ever been
  *any* conspiracies--as if the fact that there have
  been conspiracies in the past means the 9/11
  conspiracy theories must be true. That's so
  illogical it borders on the irrational.
 
 No, I never said that.  You're jumping to conclusions again.

It's the logical implication of what you said
above. And it's also just plain wrong. You don't
have a clue what conspiracies I think are real,
yet you claim I won't admit to any of them because
I'm dubious about *one* of them.

FYI, just for example, I'm virtually positive there
were conspiracies to assassinate JFK, Martin Luther
King, Jr., and Bobby Kennedy.

I also don't think all crop circles are human-made,
nor that UFOs are just a function of human
misperception or delusion. I think the government
is holding back information about both, particularly
UFOs.

So don't give me this You don't like to admit to
conspiracies crap just because I don't buy into
all of them.

snip
  How do you think I know the Popular Mechanics
  debunking was so poor and simplistic if I
  haven't 

[FairfieldLife] Question for Cardemeister

2007-10-30 Thread tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis
Angela writes:
If you guys find this hymn, please let me know.  It's my favorite, and
the pages where it should be are missing from my copy of the tenth
mandala.  a

TomT;
Revelations has a ton of copies if you wish to update yours. Or on the
other hadn stop in get a cup of coffee and read what you want when you
want to at no additional cost. 



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