[FairfieldLife] Bhaagavata-puraaNa, a commentary on Vedaanta-suutra?
There is no point in arguing that a materialistic man can be happy. No materialistic creature be he the great Brahm#257; or an insignificant ant can be happy. Everyone tries to make a permanent plan for happiness, but everyone is baffled by the laws of material nature. Therefore the materialistic world is called the darkest region of God's creation. Yet the unhappy materialists can get out of it simply by desiring to get out. Unfortunately they are so foolish that they do not want to escape. Therefore they are compared to the camel who relishes thorny twigs because he likes the taste of the twigs mixed with blood. He does not realize that it is his own blood and that his tongue is being cut by the thorns. Similarly, to the materialist his own blood is as sweet as honey, and although he is always harassed by his own material creations, he does not wish to escape. Teh whole text: http://vedabase.net/sb/1/2/3/en
[FairfieldLife] Championship Ghee Wrestling (was Re: From Margi Gunn)
Nice post, nice intent. Thanks for the breath of fresh air, and of reality, Rick. My condolences to Margi Gunn and my hearty bon voyage to Dick, neither of whom seem to need either my condolences or my wishes for their continued well-beling. They both seem to be doing fine. But some of the other posters on FFL? Man, I'm starting to worry. I mean, this is theoretically supposed to be a forum for 20-to-40-year meditation practitioners, people who should, to hear them talk about their respective spiritual resumes, have learned a little something along the Way, and have a little something to offer to others, who might just be starting out along their own Way. And what do we have instead? The Out-Of-Control Ego Wrestling Hour. Tonight's matches, beamed to you directly from the famous Hot Ghee Wrestling Pits in Fairfield, Iowa, will feature some of the sport's biggest egos, in a smack-down championship match to determine whose is biggest. In Ghee Pit #1, we've got the TM Ego Team, vs... well...vs. just about every other forum of spirit- ual practice on the planet. In one of the other semifinal matches, in Pit #2, we've got the I'm- More-Moral-Than-You-Are-And-If-You-Don't-Agree- I'll-Lynch-Your-Immoral-Ass Team, up against...well, anyone who feels that they have the right to determine their own approach to morality. In Pit #3 we've got the match between the potential authors. In one corner is the noted author of I'm OK and You're Not, the supposed future bestseller about everything that's wrong with the world of spiritual practice, with no distracting suggestions for what could be more right. She's up against the author of Secret Knowledge Imparted to Me By All of the Famous People In History Who Were Lucky Enough To Meet Me, in which the author tells us the inside scoop on Nazi Germany, 9/11, the building of the pyramids, Noah's Ark, and other events she witnessed first-hand. *That* should be a crowd-pleaser. The fourth semifinal match, in Ghee Pit #4, is between the God Freaks and the Atheists. This one will draw a big crowd, because all of the God Freak fans are terrified that the Atheists might win, and then they'd have to come up with an explanation for why God would allow such a travesty to happen. The winners of each of the semifinal matches will face each other in followup matches over the next week, to determine once and for all which team has The Biggest Ego Of All. Meanwhile, Rick will continue to post a few *real* posts like Margi's, trying to remind people what they *could* be doing instead of Ego Wrestling. Marek and Hugo will continue to post intelligent, well-thought-out stuff, and no one will notice. And a few people will actually, from time to time, post something spiritual. The sponsors apologize in advance for these dis- tractions. We're doing our best to eliminate them, and to bring you only the top-flight Ego Wrestling that you came here to see. With any luck Mister Morality will win the overall championship, and he'll organize a lynching and we can get rid of these wusses once and for all and then Fairfield Life will be All Ego Wrestling, All The Time, the way the audiences seem to want it to be. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Rick et al, My husband and life partner died suddenly three weeks ago. I could feel his bliss at being free while I was doing chest compressions, wondering if I shuld bring him back or just let him go into the wonderfulness he was experiencing and sharing with me. Nature took care of things for him. I just want to say that life can end in the blink of an eye, and we shouldn't waste out time playing one-upsmanship verbal games and insulting each other frequently the way so many people seem to do on Fairfield Life. Life in the relative world is difficult enough without having so called friends putting us down. There are so many better uses of our time, for service to others, for personal silence or contemplation, for meditation and program, for enjoying the beauty of the Creator's work. We can unstress or dump our bad feelings by pounding the couch instead of verbally or electronically pounding each other. I find that my time is better spent doing other things right now. Rick, thank you for your condolences and please post this note if possible. Thanks. Love, Margi Gunn
[FairfieldLife] 'Republicans No Show at Iraq War Heariings'
Wednesday, October 24, 2007 The Growing Budgetary Costs of the Iraq War Witnesses: Panel I Dr. Peter Orszag Director Congressional Budget Office Panel II Amy Belasco Congressional Research Service Professor Linda Bilmes John F. Kennedy School of Government Harvard University Web Casts (2 hours, 53 minutes): Video (402mb) Audio (xxmb) * __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] Heaven will walk on earth - in this generation.
A message from Maitreya On 27 September 2007 Benjamin Creme was interviewed for a television documentary at the Share Nederland Information Centre in Amsterdam, the Netherlands. At the end of filming, during a Blessing from Maitreya, the following message was given by Him through Benjamin Creme. My dear friends. I am close to you now. Many of you have awaited My presence for a long time. I am about to step forward openly before all men, and to begin my outer mission. There is no distance between us. Know this. Understand this. When you ask Me through the `hand' or directly to Me for help, that help, you should know, is assured. It is possible that you will not recognize that the help has been given, but so it will be. Trust Me to aid you, for it is to do so that I come. I shall exhort you to work with Me for the good of all. This is the opportunity to grow quicker, faster than you have ever done before, and so bring you to the Feet of That One Whom we call God. Be not afraid of the many problems which arise now almost daily in the world. These events are transient and soon men will come to understand that they have before them a future bathed in light. So will it be. http://www.shareintl.org Heaven will walk on earth - in this generation. - Maharishi
[FairfieldLife] UFO seen in British Columbia, Canada
UFO seen in British Columbia, Canada Residents of a small town in British Columbia, Canada, saw a bright orange orb in the sky on the night of 9 September 2007. One witness in Sidney, British Columbia, said the object was shaped liked a jellyfish, and moved silently across the sky in a southerly direction. According to the witness, It was very bright, brilliant even; it pulsated slightly. The colour was not homogenous or static. It was very much like a glowing orange jellyfish. It continued due south over Sidney at an increasing speed and appeared to move south towards Victoria and then south-west and out of sight dimming from view. The witness reported the sighting on a website, prompting another person who had also seen the UFO to come forward. The second witness said: We were standing outside in the front of our house and suddenly there was a bright light that came over the trees. I thought it was a plane at first, because it was so low, but there was no sound. It then curved around to the south moving very slowly and seemed to be getting higher and much further away then it just disappeared. We knew it wasn't a plane, it was moving way too slow. People everywhere were looking up at this thing. I don't know what I saw, but it was pretty exciting. (Source: Peninsula News Review, Canada) (Benjamin Creme's Master confirms that this was an authentic sighting of spacecraft from Mars.) http://www.shareintl.org
[FairfieldLife] Ghost lights seen in Indian grasslands - UFO's seen in Bavaria and Holland
Ghost lights seen in Indian grasslands Visitors to the Banni grasslands in India's Gujarat province say they have seen strange light phenomena on dark nights. The local people, who have reportedly seen these lights for centuries, call them Chhir Batti, meaning ghost lights. Indian ornithologist Jugal Kishor Tiwari has seen the unusual lights several times during visits to Banni to study the area's varied bird species. I first came to know about these during the study of birds in Banni in 1990, said Tiwari. We were there to trap some birds and were distracted by these lights. The light, which is as bright as a mercury lamp, changes its colour to blue and sometimes red. It is like a moving ball of fire, which sometimes stops or moves as fast as an arrow. On 5 November 2005 my team found these lights at seven places. We have shown this phenomenon to several experts including well-known American ornithologist Bill Clark. He was amazed and had no explanation. Tiwari said that the lights can only be seen after 8pm on dark nights, and are visible between 2 and 10 feet above the ground. He said the lights almost seem to have a mind of their own. It's like the lights playing hide and seek. Even if you decide not to follow them, they can creep up on you. It's something like the light following you. This is not only mine but has been everybody else's experience here. (Source: http://cities.ExpressIndia.com) (Benjamin Creme's Master confirms that these are devices used by space vehicles from Mars and Venus gathering local information about the quality of the air and soil.) UFOs in Bavaria On 25 April 2007 people in the federal state of Bavaria, Germany, noticed a remarkable object in the sky. It was a clear bright dot with several black circles rotating around it. The phenomenon was also reported by police patrolling in Illertissen, a village between Munich and Stuttgart, who could not find an explanation for it. After a while the object and circles disappeared as quickly as they had appeared. (Source: Tageszeitung, Germany) (Benjamin Creme's Master confirms this sighting to be spaceships from Mars.) UFO sightings in the Netherlands Enschede, 15 July: On Sunday evening around 10.40pm I looked out of my attic window. I saw two orange balls of light go from the south in an easterly direction, both at a different speed. The two balls appeared also to change colour all the time. (Benjamin Creme's Master confirms they were spacecraft from Venus.) Eindhoven, 15 July: I first saw a strong beam of light between two stars. I was lucky to see that light beam because it made me look at the sky and then a few seconds later the most beautiful thing happened: for about 10 seconds I could enjoy two `ships' flying in formation. As to their size they were smaller than a one-person fighter jet, there were no lights and no sound. So, I really saw solid matter fly and not a beam or a ball of light or something like that. They were triangular in shape. I estimate the height they were flying at to be about 3 kilometres. The speed was difficult to estimate, but to give an idea: they flew from left to right in about 10 seconds. If it had been an airplane I could certainly have seen it for five minutes. (Benjamin Creme's Master confirms they were spaceships from Mars.) http://www.shareintl.org
[FairfieldLife] Al Gores's win - a triumph for the planet
Al Gore's win a triumph for the planet Worldwatch, the global environmental monitoring agency, welcomed the awarding of the Nobel Peace Prize to Al Gore and to the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) as a triumph for the planet and its inhabitants. Worldwatch issued a press release headlined Planet Wins Nobel Prize. It is with extreme satisfaction that we receive the news that Gore and the IPCC have been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize, said Oystein Dahle, Chairman of the Board of Worldwatch Institute and a leading Norwegian environmentalist. Speaking from his home in Oslo where the Prize was announced, Dahle said: With their decision, the Nobel Committee has for the second time signalled that peace with the environment is an essential requirement if we are to have peace between human beings. Asked for his reaction former US Vice President Gore, whose documentary film An Inconvenient Truth won an Oscar at the 2007 Academy Awards, said he hoped the award would bring a greater awareness and a sense of urgency to the fight against global warming. The Norwegian Nobel Committee said that the impact of the prize winners' work has helped to lay the foundations for the measures that are needed to counteract [climate] change. The Committee praised the contribution made by the IPCC with its more than two decades of scientific reports comprising the expertise of more than 2,000 leading climate change scientists and experts. It was such reports, said the Nobel Committee, which gradually built a broader and better informed consensus about the connection between human activities and global warming. Of Al Gore, the Committee said: He is probably the single individual who has done most to create greater worldwide understanding of the measures that need to be adopted. We face a true planetary emergency, Mr Gore warned. It is a moral and spiritual challenge to all of humanity. Asked what he intended to do with his share of the prize money (in total $1.5m) Gore said that he is donating it to the Alliance for Climate Protection. The IPCC report stated that with global warming will come storms, droughts, floods and increased natural disasters and so tax the world's food and water systems. These in their turn can be cause for conflicts over territory and resources. The world's poor, who already suffer from a lack of clean water, sanitation and food security, will be most directly affected. Climate change is the greatest long-term threat to peace and security the world has ever known, says Christopher Flavin, Worldwatch Institute President. This prize marks another turning point for the climate issue the question now is whether lawmakers around the world will rise to the challenge of implementing new treaties and laws that reduce the world's dangerous addiction to fossil fuels. (Source: Worldwatch Press Release; BBC Online; Nobelprize.org) http://www.shareintl.org
[FairfieldLife] Re: UFO seen in British Columbia, Canada
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds like a chinese lantern. Made of paper, you light the candle, make a wish and watch it float away. Ethereal and quite beautiful actually, and responsible for a great many UFO sightings this year. Try one for yourself; http://www.wishesinthesky.com/?gclid=CI-Ej7qxto8CFQJaMAod7V91XQ UFO seen in British Columbia, Canada Residents of a small town in British Columbia, Canada, saw a bright orange orb in the sky on the night of 9 September 2007. One witness in Sidney, British Columbia, said the object was shaped liked a jellyfish, and moved silently across the sky in a southerly direction. According to the witness, It was very bright, brilliant even; it pulsated slightly. The colour was not homogenous or static. It was very much like a glowing orange jellyfish. It continued due south over Sidney at an increasing speed and appeared to move south towards Victoria and then south-west and out of sight dimming from view. The witness reported the sighting on a website, prompting another person who had also seen the UFO to come forward. The second witness said: We were standing outside in the front of our house and suddenly there was a bright light that came over the trees. I thought it was a plane at first, because it was so low, but there was no sound. It then curved around to the south moving very slowly and seemed to be getting higher and much further away then it just disappeared. We knew it wasn't a plane, it was moving way too slow. People everywhere were looking up at this thing. I don't know what I saw, but it was pretty exciting. (Source: Peninsula News Review, Canada) (Benjamin Creme's Master confirms that this was an authentic sighting of spacecraft from Mars.) http://www.shareintl.org
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ghost lights seen in Indian grasslands - UFO's seen in Bavaria and Holland
Hmmm... this lot aren't so easy to explain, probably just an alien invasion. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ghost lights seen in Indian grasslands Visitors to the Banni grasslands in India's Gujarat province say they have seen strange light phenomena on dark nights. The local people, who have reportedly seen these lights for centuries, call them Chhir Batti, meaning ghost lights. Indian ornithologist Jugal Kishor Tiwari has seen the unusual lights several times during visits to Banni to study the area's varied bird species. I first came to know about these during the study of birds in Banni in 1990, said Tiwari. We were there to trap some birds and were distracted by these lights. The light, which is as bright as a mercury lamp, changes its colour to blue and sometimes red. It is like a moving ball of fire, which sometimes stops or moves as fast as an arrow. On 5 November 2005 my team found these lights at seven places. We have shown this phenomenon to several experts including well-known American ornithologist Bill Clark. He was amazed and had no explanation. Tiwari said that the lights can only be seen after 8pm on dark nights, and are visible between 2 and 10 feet above the ground. He said the lights almost seem to have a mind of their own. It's like the lights playing hide and seek. Even if you decide not to follow them, they can creep up on you. It's something like the light following you. This is not only mine but has been everybody else's experience here. (Source: http://cities.ExpressIndia.com) (Benjamin Creme's Master confirms that these are devices used by space vehicles from Mars and Venus gathering local information about the quality of the air and soil.) UFOs in Bavaria On 25 April 2007 people in the federal state of Bavaria, Germany, noticed a remarkable object in the sky. It was a clear bright dot with several black circles rotating around it. The phenomenon was also reported by police patrolling in Illertissen, a village between Munich and Stuttgart, who could not find an explanation for it. After a while the object and circles disappeared as quickly as they had appeared. (Source: Tageszeitung, Germany) (Benjamin Creme's Master confirms this sighting to be spaceships from Mars.) UFO sightings in the Netherlands Enschede, 15 July: On Sunday evening around 10.40pm I looked out of my attic window. I saw two orange balls of light go from the south in an easterly direction, both at a different speed. The two balls appeared also to change colour all the time. (Benjamin Creme's Master confirms they were spacecraft from Venus.) Eindhoven, 15 July: I first saw a strong beam of light between two stars. I was lucky to see that light beam because it made me look at the sky and then a few seconds later the most beautiful thing happened: for about 10 seconds I could enjoy two `ships' flying in formation. As to their size they were smaller than a one-person fighter jet, there were no lights and no sound. So, I really saw solid matter fly and not a beam or a ball of light or something like that. They were triangular in shape. I estimate the height they were flying at to be about 3 kilometres. The speed was difficult to estimate, but to give an idea: they flew from left to right in about 10 seconds. If it had been an airplane I could certainly have seen it for five minutes. (Benjamin Creme's Master confirms they were spaceships from Mars.) http://www.shareintl.org
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Will Bush really bomb Iran?
In a message dated 10/29/07 10:40:32 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I was noticing Chris Mathews today, on 'Hardball', Refering to: 'The coming war with Iran'. He used to work for Carter, and Peace Corps... So, I don't know whether he's being sacarastic, or what? He's just thinking *positive*. It'll be something great for his business. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
[FairfieldLife] The Master's article for Share International Magazine, November 2007
The Earth in travail by the Master , through Benjamin Creme, 14 October 2007 It may be said that at last some men are beginning to take seriously the dangers posed by global warming and the consequent climate changes that this is bringing about. It is true that there is much disagreement over the reality and extent of the dangers, and of the best means of approaching the problems which are agreed to exist. However, there is no doubt that some men, at least, are recognizing that men face a formidable task in halting the progress of destruction and in stabilizing the environment. It is also true that even the most aware and concerned of men know little of the extent and complexity of the problems. The problem of pollution is such a case. Pollution takes many forms, some obvious and easily dealt with, if the will to do so exists. Some, however, require a science and a remedy as yet unknown to man; they are so toxic and destructive that they must be given high priority to overcome. The effect of pollution on the quality of air, food, on animals, and on fish, in rivers and the oceans, is known but largely ignored. The most destructive of all, that caused by nuclear radiation, awaits discovery by Earth scientists. The upper levels of nuclear radiation are beyond the present atomic technology. They are also the most toxic and hazardous to man and the lower kingdoms. On all those levels the problems of pollution must be overcome. This can be achieved only by a complete reconstruction of the present political, economic and social structures. Ravaged Man has ravaged and polluted the Earth, and severely damaged his own environment. Now man must see it as a top priority to remedy what he has hurt and so restore to health his ailing planet. He must learn to simplify his demands on the planet and learn the beauty of simplicity and the joy of sharing. Man has but little choice: the urgency of the task demands immediate action; few indeed realize the true scale of damage already done. The question may be asked: can planet Earth be saved and by what means? The answer is a resounding YES! and by means which involve the transformation of the present modes of living by the majority of men. The paramount ambition of all so-called `developed' countries is to achieve an ever higher percentage of growth of their economies to become, thereby, richer; and, in an economic world based on competition, to attain dominance and power, and so enjoy a higher standard of life. This being so, the pillaging of the Earth, the cavalier waste of resources, is seen as only natural and necessary. This irresponsible action has at last brought Planet Earth almost to its knees. Urgent Maitreya, you can be sure, will not be long in addressing this urgent problem and in presenting His solutions. The first step, he will advocate, is the acceptance of the urgency which many today deny. Sharing, he will say, is the beginning of the process of change which will provide the answers to our woes and the rehabilitation of Earth. (Read more articles by the Master) http://www.shareintl.org
[FairfieldLife] When FFL Was Fun...
Remember when FFL was fun? We actually talked about spiritual concerns with an occasional off-topic post. Like a good party with your longtime friends with new interesting people showing up from time to time. Now it has been hijacked by outright paranoid nut jobs with self-righteous egos the size of Montana. Ah, those were the days! __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is Flaming Evil not allowed here? (9-11 -- The Inside Job )
The only problem I find with America is that it doesn't identify the delusional fast enough to hospitalize them. Instead it offers them internet access. Oh well. By the way, racecar spelled backwards is racecar. Makes you think, doesn't it? --- Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I did answer it. And what makes you think I despise it? On the contrary, I love it. America has offered sanctuary to many thousands and America has also sent many thousands to their deaths. America has turned back ships of Jewish refugees, and with full knowledge sending them to their deaths. America is more complex, apparently, and more deep than you would have her be. And equally apparent is that you think me more simple than I am. a feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course it was a serious question, and you chose not to answer it. You stated that US actions around the world post-WWII made Hitler look like a boy scout. Nothing you have said here has explained or justified that outlandish statement. America has offered sanctuary to many thousands of people fleeing from all kinds of tyrannies. It offered you a chance, I presume, as a foreigner, to come here and make a success of your life. It offered you freedom. Why do you appear to despise it so much? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I take it, Show me the American Holocaust, please is not a serious question because I could show you, but I doubt you want to see what is going on under our noses right now in terms of America transforming itself into a military dictatorship and inflicting pain and torture on a significant number of our fellow creatures. Are they really our enemies? And if they are, are enemies created? If so, who creates them? and why? In my opinion, the evidence that America has been creating evil dictators and concomitant wars all around the world for at least a hundred years is compelling, but I could be wrong. What would you conclude if you saw the same M.O. all over the globe, like a serial killer. You;d ask the usual questions: motive? opportunity? benefit? what does the evidence tell you? What have other great detectives concluded who have been watching this? Do their points of view come in schools? Do they have axes to grind? It looks to me that it's America's turn to become the locus of this energy which we have been calling fascist, but I'm cool with any name you want to suggest. Just who or what is America? Somebody's tool? Autonomous? Who or what governs it? If anything. What is the energy that animates us, not as individuals, but as a people of a world divided against itself---who or what creates it? Maybe the periodic fascist occurrences on the planet are like an evil spirit manifesting all over the place, and people aren't to blame for expressing that spirit, they have no real choice. But there are many ways to see anything. What do you think is actually going on on this planet? Do you think the planet is just fine? Do you think humanity is just fine? Do you care? If so, why? Do you think that periodic culling of a herd is necessary for its continued health and vitality and even survival? You're an intelligent biological entity, a cell in a computer called humanity, incarnate on a planet, at a certain point in history, what the fuck do you see? feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Try to write a post without mentioning Hitler. You kill your case by overstating it. America in the world post-WWII makes Hitler look like a boy scout? Show me the American Holocaust please. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander mailander111@ wrote: The Maharishi effect and the reverse Maharishi effect are both in the Bible, so neither concept is anything new. I am not appalled by spelling errors or by fuck you's liberally sprinkled in other people's prose, but the indifference I've seen to the suffering and large-scale death America has inflicted world-wide since 45, and which makes Hitler look like a boy scout, appalls me as much as it does Edg. America is just beginning to wake up to the fact that she created Hitler as a tool in the same way she created Saddam Hussein and a bunch of other evil dictators. It's a familiar M.O. by now, but wearing a bit thin in the world. In 1945, the Germans were still ignorant enough to welcome the American army as liberators (as Bush thought the people in Iraq should and would). Germans didn't figure out till the late fifties what really happened. So it's taken another almost fifty years before there is any indication that ordinary Americans are waking up to who their
[FairfieldLife] Re: hate America?
I have no interest in fathoming who you are. But this story, if true, is a nice reversal of the usual onebeing able to make money in China but choosing poverty in America. But dear Angela, if you are so smart, and you are continually telling us that you are, how come you cannot make money in this great land of opportunity? If you are so smart, why are you poor? Some terrible conspiracy against you, perhaps? A refusal by others to recognize your great genius? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I find your accusation that I hate America nothing short of astounding--just because I see clearly doesn't mean I hate. I already told you that when I was eighteen I had a choice between wealth and ruling class status in Europe and poverty in America. I chose poverty in America. I had that same choice when I lived with my sister in Europe. And again I chose poverty in America rather than wealth and ruling class status in Europe. When I came back from China, Homeland Security put me through a five-hour interrogation in the presence of armed guards and then gave me a choice: China or America. In China I had a successful research project close to my heart with enormous income potential. In just two years I had become known for it in three big Chinese cities and in the biggest kindergarten chain in China that was based in Taiwan. I had friends I loved. I had status as a respected professional among my colleagues--other Chinese universities were competing with each other to snag me. My students loved me. I had a great income. And there was even a man who loved me. But when Homeland Security gave me that choice, I once again and with open eyes chose poverty in America over all that I left behind in China. Do not presume you fathom who I am by a few emails you only half understand which is worse than no understanding at all. a Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] From Margi Gunn
I knew Dick Gunn for years. He took over the TM activities in Fairfield County Connecticut after Rick Archer. He was quite a character. He became a chiropractor years ago. RIP Dick. I feel ya right now! Ha! --- David Hawthorne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: dear margi... thank you for your sweet postand very good advice. my condolences on the passing of your husband. best wishes, david hawthorne - Original Message - From: Rick Archer To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 5:04 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] From Margi Gunn Dear Rick et al, My husband and life partner died suddenly three weeks ago. I could feel his bliss at being free while I was doing chest compressions, wondering if I shuld bring him back or just let him go into the wonderfulness he was experiencing and sharing with me. Nature took care of things for him. I just want to say that life can end in the blink of an eye, and we shouldn't waste out time playing one-upsmanship verbal games and insulting each other frequently the way so many people seem to do on Fairfield Life. Life in the relative world is difficult enough without having so called friends putting us down. There are so many better uses of our time, for service to others, for personal silence or contemplation, for meditation and program, for enjoying the beauty of the Creator's work. We can unstress or dump our bad feelings by pounding the couch instead of verbally or electronically pounding each other. I find that my time is better spent doing other things right now. Rick, thank you for your condolences and please post this note if possible. Thanks. Love, Margi Gunn No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.12/1097 - Release Date: 10/28/2007 1:58 PM To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Flaming Evil not allowed here? (9-11 -- The Inside Job )
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The only problem I find with America is that it doesn't identify the delusional fast enough to hospitalize them. Instead it offers them internet access. Oh well. By the way, racecar spelled bpackwards is racecar. Makes you think, doesn't it? And racecar is not the end of it! 1961 -- is the same if you turn it upside down. And MMY first came to the US in 1961. 'Nuf said. Those who get it will understand. Though many have struggled to keep it hidden from view -- for the advantage of the 100 Families. But more on that later.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Will Bush really bomb Iran?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was noticing Chris Mathews today, on 'Hardball', Refering to: 'The coming war with Iran'. He used to work for Carter, and Peace Corps... So, I don't know whether he's being sacarastic, or what? So, there is a struggle now, with those who want to bomb Iran, and those who want to go a different way. Matthews' more democratic days are long over - he was a solid bush and iraq war supporter until you had to be idiot to continue supporting, and will support war with iran if that is what his bosses at GE want.
RE: [FairfieldLife] From Margi Gunn
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 8:03 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] From Margi Gunn I knew Dick Gunn for years. He took over the TM activities in Fairfield County Connecticut after Rick Archer. He was quite a character. He became a chiropractor years ago. RIP Dick. I feel ya right now! Ha! He died of an aneurism at a family gathering with his brother-in-law Tom Duffy in New Hampshire. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.12/1098 - Release Date: 10/29/2007 9:28 AM
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: hate America?
If you have no interest in me, why make assumptions about who I am and what I love or hate? I told you the truth. Circumstances are always complex, and I assure you there is no conspiracy against me. When I arrived at the L.A. airport from China, I had a return ticket in my pocket. Homeland Security said, You can go back to China if you want, but if you do, you're never coming back here. When I got to Ff, I asked Congressman Leach if this was legal, and he said that it was, that they could have denied me entry. I checked with an attorney specializing in such matters, and was told that people had been denied entry for no reason. So, I was here with two suitcases, no money, no place to stay, no job, and no job prospects, and a decision to make: Rich woman in China, or bag lady in the U.S. I I had two weeks to make that decision, and went for bag lady. Smart does not necessarily mean money, as Americans seem to be convinced it does. I've never taught at any University, here, in Germany, or in China when my colleagues didn't respect me. I agreed at some point with an article that said American education had hit rock bottom. I said we were all, including me, embedded in it, and I said my Ph.D. wasn't worth what earlier Ph.D. had been worth in terms of academic standards. People got their egos bent over this. When people hear that American education is terrible, even if they agree with that, they always want to talk about it as if it doesn't include them. Absurd. The comparison between Nazi Germany and the U.S. is not absurd, but I'm done talking about it. The extant information allowing that comparison is becoming more and more available in English, but you are not really interested nor willing to listen with an open mind. Not everyone you disagree with is delusional, but wanting to hospitalize those whom you deem so (in your professional opinion), is something Hitler would have agreed with. a feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have no interest in fathoming who you are. But this story, if true, is a nice reversal of the usual onebeing able to make money in China but choosing poverty in America. But dear Angela, if you are so smart, and you are continually telling us that you are, how come you cannot make money in this great land of opportunity? If you are so smart, why are you poor? Some terrible conspiracy against you, perhaps? A refusal by others to recognize your great genius? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I find your accusation that I hate America nothing short of astounding--just because I see clearly doesn't mean I hate. I already told you that when I was eighteen I had a choice between wealth and ruling class status in Europe and poverty in America. I chose poverty in America. I had that same choice when I lived with my sister in Europe. And again I chose poverty in America rather than wealth and ruling class status in Europe. When I came back from China, Homeland Security put me through a five-hour interrogation in the presence of armed guards and then gave me a choice: China or America. In China I had a successful research project close to my heart with enormous income potential. In just two years I had become known for it in three big Chinese cities and in the biggest kindergarten chain in China that was based in Taiwan. I had friends I loved. I had status as a respected professional among my colleagues--other Chinese universities were competing with each other to snag me. My students loved me. I had a great income. And there was even a man who loved me. But when Homeland Security gave me that choice, I once again and with open eyes chose poverty in America over all that I left behind in China. Do not presume you fathom who I am by a few emails you only half understand which is worse than no understanding at all. a Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
RE: [FairfieldLife] Championship Ghee Wrestling (was Re: From Margi Gunn)
I got some chuckles out of that. So what is it about FFL? Most of us have a TM background. Is it that there’s little emphasis in the TMO on becoming a nicer person, as there is in Buddhist circles and some other spiritual groups? In fact, egotism is intentionally cultured, with crowns, titles, and a pecking order determined by net worth. I remember a political cartoon illustrating the “Reagan end run” in which thoughts would bypass that part of his brain which, in most of us, edits and sometimes censors the nonsense thoughts that might otherwise come out of our mouths. It seems that some here suffer from the same syndrome. If they’re in a rage, or feeling nasty toward someone, they somehow feel justified in venting it, and there’s no indication of any introspection causing them to pause and consider the consequences or even the legitimacy of their perspective. Maybe Emily Post should be required reading for FFL membership. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.12/1098 - Release Date: 10/29/2007 9:28 AM
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Flaming Evil not allowed here? (9-11 -- The Inside Job )
Feste37, Let's have a reality check here. Here's your chance to nay-or-yaysay the numbers. Do you have the courage to look at these numbers? Do you have the courage? The Holocaust in WWII Germany cost six million lives. Okay, that's the standard. Let's see if that bar is set too high for America to jump. Do you agree that Saddam was put in power by America and that he killed via capital punishment over 500,000 Iraqi citizens? http://wais.stanford.edu/Iraq/iraq_deathsundersaddamhussein42503.html Running total: 500,000 dead due to America. Do you agree that over 600,000 Iraqis have been killed in the last five years? http://www.thelancet.com/webfiles/images/journals/lancet/s0140673606694919.pdf Running total: 1,100,000 dead due to America. Do you agree that the war between Iraq and Iran was sponsored by the USA which provided gas and guns to Saddam who then used these weapons against Iran and that one million Iraqi and Iranian soldiers were killed in that war? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran-Iraq_War Running total: 2,100,000 dead due to America. Do you agree that more than 40,000,000 Native Americans have been genocidally reduced to less than half a million today? http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761570777/Native_Americans_of_North_America.html Running total: 41,100,000 dead due to America. Do you agree that being a slave is a living death? If so, add another 4,000,000 lives. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_events_leading_to_the_American_Civil_War Running total: 44,100,000 dead due to America. And for a mere 75 billion dollars every person on the planet could have running clean water and electrification, but lacking this up to 2,000,000 children die each year due to disease. (Other estimates are up to 30,000,000 each year, but let's just take the low number.) http://www.prb.org/CPIPR/NewReleases/Cutler2005.aspx Yet, BushCo just vetoed a mere five billion for the health of AMERICAN CHILDREN. Feste37, there's your numbers, there's your holocaust, there's your evil. If you cannot counter the above figures, if you cannot feel the pain of any of the families of the dead, if you cannot see that America's psyche is completely comfortable with murdering innocents to get their property, then your blindness is exactly the foundation that our Killer Elite is counting on -- an audience that's sure to applaud when the carnage splashes in the headlines in blood red ink. If you come back to this post with one of your flames, then, yes, again, the folks here with eyes open will see you as a sympathizer of evil in the world today. Evil is subtle, but the deaths are countable. Here's how subtle evil is: even you, Feste37, even you, if you were traveling along a highway and came upon an auto accident with two cars horribly ripped asunder and bodies scattered, even you would stop to help, even your heart would be crushed by seeing, say, a toddler crying next to an unmoving corpse. Even you, Feste37, could not miss the suffering on that roadside. But, evil can veil your sight, shut down your heart, and rouse a dark purpose in your psyche if you cannot imagine that child to be an Iraqi toddler next to a dead parent on the streets of Bagdad. Holocaust? Yeah, I see it all around right now, throughout history, and in your very denial of the deaths due to American actions. Your type of denial is EXACTLY the rationalization process that allows for one to be a guard at Auschwitz. And here am I expressing my rage once again, and Curtis and Turq and Billy will suggest I see a doctor and get some lithium or something. When Henry Thoreau was in jail for tax evasion because the tax money was supporting evil, Emerson asked him, What are you doing in there? Not that I am capable of anything so noble, nor that Thoreau was a saint, but Thoreau replied, Waldo, the question is what are you doing out there? http://www.fff.org/freedom/fd0503e.asp I wish I could rise to Thoreau's level of conscience. The denialists in this group here seem only to deserve my futile lashing of their mindfully created blindness about just exactly what the power and range of evil is -- so, that's good news, eh? If the denialists here were any more deeply connected to evil, well, it wouldn't merely be my over-the-top, rage puke that's hurled at them. Real life would speak to them directly. Do you have ears, Feste37? Get ready for something louder to scream into them than my silent text here. Consider yourself warned Feste37 -- My challenges to you here are nothing compared to the karma coming your way if you do not at the least attempt to resist the evil of denying the suffering of others. Feste27 -- here's a typical child doing something special -- note not her skills but her spirit. All children have this spirit. http://br.video.yahoo.com/video/play?ei=UTF-8b=0vid=1364800gid=1088378 There is a joie de vivre inherent in every newborn, and it's seen in this one child's display. Protecting this
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: hate America?
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Angela Mailander Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 9:50 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: hate America? If you have no interest in me, why make assumptions about who I am and what I love or hate? I told you the truth. Circumstances are always complex, and I assure you there is no conspiracy against me. When I arrived at the L.A. airport from China, I had a return ticket in my pocket. Homeland Security said, You can go back to China if you want, but if you do, you're never coming back here. When I got to Ff, I asked Congressman Leach if this was legal, and he said that it was, that they could have denied me entry What nationality are you, German? No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.12/1098 - Release Date: 10/29/2007 9:28 AM
[FairfieldLife] Re: Will Bush really bomb Iran?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel babajii_99@ wrote: I was noticing Chris Mathews today, on 'Hardball', Refering to: 'The coming war with Iran'. He used to work for Carter, and Peace Corps... So, I don't know whether he's being sacarastic, or what? So, there is a struggle now, with those who want to bomb Iran, and those who want to go a different way. Matthews' more democratic days are long over - he was a solid bush and iraq war supporter until you had to be idiot to continue supporting, and will support war with iran if that is what his bosses at GE want. Nobody loathes Chris Matthews more than I do. He's always had a man-crush on Bush for some unfathomable reason, but he was, in fact, outspoken against the Iraq war from the beginning, one of the very few broadcasters who were. I'd be flabbergasted if he supported a war now with Iran. For his opposition to the Iraq war, see this interview with Salon.com from February 2003 (before the invasion): http://tinyurl.com/34syne (You'll need to watch a brief ad unless you're a subscriber.) Money quote: And on the war, I think my numbers would be a lot higher if I were out there beating the drum for this war. In fact, I don't think it, I know it. But I can't be for the war. I can't find a reason to be for this war. I've looked, and I can't, so Im not. The people who are backing this war are more interested in their own ideology than what's good for the country. It's not about America. Which is scary. In other parts of the interview, he nails the reasons why it was a bad idea; he foresaw them before most people did. And everything he predicted has come to pass. As repellent a personality as he is, you have to give him credit for his stance on the war.
[FairfieldLife] Re: hate America?
Bag lady, huh? Well, you certainly seem to have a lot of baggage. You almost got through this post without mentioning Hitler, until you stumbled at the last. This reminds me a little of Rudy G., who can't seem to open his mouth without mentioning 9/11. Oh well, I guess we all have our obsessions. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you have no interest in me, why make assumptions about who I am and what I love or hate? I told you the truth. Circumstances are always complex, and I assure you there is no conspiracy against me. When I arrived at the L.A. airport from China, I had a return ticket in my pocket. Homeland Security said, You can go back to China if you want, but if you do, you're never coming back here. When I got to Ff, I asked Congressman Leach if this was legal, and he said that it was, that they could have denied me entry. I checked with an attorney specializing in such matters, and was told that people had been denied entry for no reason. So, I was here with two suitcases, no money, no place to stay, no job, and no job prospects, and a decision to make: Rich woman in China, or bag lady in the U.S. I I had two weeks to make that decision, and went for bag lady. Smart does not necessarily mean money, as Americans seem to be convinced it does. I've never taught at any University, here, in Germany, or in China when my colleagues didn't respect me. I agreed at some point with an article that said American education had hit rock bottom. I said we were all, including me, embedded in it, and I said my Ph.D. wasn't worth what earlier Ph.D. had been worth in terms of academic standards. People got their egos bent over this. When people hear that American education is terrible, even if they agree with that, they always want to talk about it as if it doesn't include them. Absurd. The comparison between Nazi Germany and the U.S. is not absurd, but I'm done talking about it. The extant information allowing that comparison is becoming more and more available in English, but you are not really interested nor willing to listen with an open mind. Not everyone you disagree with is delusional, but wanting to hospitalize those whom you deem so (in your professional opinion), is something Hitler would have agreed with. a feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have no interest in fathoming who you are. But this story, if true, is a nice reversal of the usual onebeing able to make money in China but choosing poverty in America. But dear Angela, if you are so smart, and you are continually telling us that you are, how come you cannot make money in this great land of opportunity? If you are so smart, why are you poor? Some terrible conspiracy against you, perhaps? A refusal by others to recognize your great genius? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander mailander111@ wrote: I find your accusation that I hate America nothing short of astounding--just because I see clearly doesn't mean I hate. I already told you that when I was eighteen I had a choice between wealth and ruling class status in Europe and poverty in America. I chose poverty in America. I had that same choice when I lived with my sister in Europe. And again I chose poverty in America rather than wealth and ruling class status in Europe. When I came back from China, Homeland Security put me through a five-hour interrogation in the presence of armed guards and then gave me a choice: China or America. In China I had a successful research project close to my heart with enormous income potential. In just two years I had become known for it in three big Chinese cities and in the biggest kindergarten chain in China that was based in Taiwan. I had friends I loved. I had status as a respected professional among my colleagues--other Chinese universities were competing with each other to snag me. My students loved me. I had a great income. And there was even a man who loved me. But when Homeland Security gave me that choice, I once again and with open eyes chose poverty in America over all that I left behind in China. Do not presume you fathom who I am by a few emails you only half understand which is worse than no understanding at all. a Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] Championship Ghee Wrestling (was Re: From Margi Gunn)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I was thinking more along the lines of, If you think that you know enough to write a book, or to preach to someone else about how they should live their lives, you can't join until you get over it. Says Barry, preaching to others about how they should live their lives.
[FairfieldLife] Championship Ghee Wrestling (was Re: From Margi Gunn)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I got some chuckles out of that. So what is it about FFL? Most of us have a TM background. Is it that there's little emphasis in the TMO on becoming a nicer person, as there is in Buddhist circles and some other spiritual groups? In fact, egotism is intentionally cultured, with crowns, titles, and a pecking order determined by net worth. Not to mention being the best and the highest path. I remember a political cartoon illustrating the Reagan end run in which thoughts would bypass that part of his brain which, in most of us, edits and sometimes censors the nonsense thoughts that might otherwise come out of our mouths. It seems that some here suffer from the same syndrome. If they're in a rage, or feeling nasty toward someone, they somehow feel justified in venting it, and there's no indication of any introspection causing them to pause and consider the consequences or even the legitimacy of their perspective. I can't disagree with what you say here, but what interests me more is that there are some who seem to *feed* on losing control in this way. It's as if the times when they are out of control and lost in some over-the-top emotional moment are the highest points in their lives, so they go out of their way looking for more things to be outraged about, so they can feel more of them. Maybe Emily Post should be required reading for FFL membership. It couldn't hurt. I was thinking more along the lines of, If you think that you know enough to write a book, or to preach to someone else about how they should live their lives, you can't join until you get over it.
[FairfieldLife] Championship Ghee Wrestling (was Re: From Margi Gunn)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip I was thinking more along the lines of, If you think that you know enough to write a book, or to preach to someone else about how they should live their lives, you can't join until you get over it. Says Barry, preaching to others about how they should live their lives. At no point in his post did Barry suggest anything about how others should live their lives. I merely noted what I saw as trends, and then cracked a joke. There was *zero* suggestion that anyone act on that inform- ation in any way. (Original post included below, to provide an example of what Judy considers preaching to others about how they should live their lives.) It's interesting that you, a supposed editor, can't see that. Maybe this failing in you is caused by some environmental biohazard near where you live, and you should write a book about it. :-) I'm thinkin' that what you might *really* be upset about is realizing that here it is only Tuesday, and you're panicky because you've realized that you only have two posts left in which to trash Barry, whereas he has 20 more in which to ignore your very existence. :-) Championship Ghee Wrestling (was Re: From Margi Gunn) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I got some chuckles out of that. So what is it about FFL? Most of us have a TM background. Is it that there's little emphasis in the TMO on becoming a nicer person, as there is in Buddhist circles and some other spiritual groups? In fact, egotism is intentionally cultured, with crowns, titles, and a pecking order determined by net worth. Not to mention being the best and the highest path. I remember a political cartoon illustrating the Reagan end run in which thoughts would bypass that part of his brain which, in most of us, edits and sometimes censors the nonsense thoughts that might otherwise come out of our mouths. It seems that some here suffer from the same syndrome. If they're in a rage, or feeling nasty toward someone, they somehow feel justified in venting it, and there's no indication of any introspection causing them to pause and consider the consequences or even the legitimacy of their perspective. I can't disagree with what you say here, but what interests me more is that there are some who seem to *feed* on losing control in this way. It's as if the times when they are out of control and lost in some over-the-top emotional moment are the highest points in their lives, so they go out of their way looking for more things to be outraged about, so they can feel more of them. Maybe Emily Post should be required reading for FFL membership. It couldn't hurt. I was thinking more along the lines of, If you think that you know enough to write a book, or to preach to someone else about how they should live their lives, you can't join until you get over it.
[FairfieldLife] new rajas today
Six new rajas are being crowned today - names below. Ceremony is being broadcast now at maharishi channel #3 at mou.org I'm told that you no longer need to attend a course to become a raja - just wire in the million dollars. I'm amazed at how many people have given a million so far - it's well over 120 by my count. 1. The crowning of Raja Steven Rubin, the Raja of China for the Global Country of World Peace; 2. The crowning of Raja Emanuel Schiffgens, the Raja of Germany for the Global Country of World Peace; 3. The crowning of Raja Bruce Plaut, the Raja of North West Vedic America; 4. The crowning of Raja Rafael David, Purusha Raja with universal domain; 5. The crowning of Raja Richard Ross, Purusha*** Raja with universal domain. 6. Also present is Raja John Fagan, with special responsibility for food purity and for the nourishment of invincibility for the whole world.
Re: [FairfieldLife] new rajas today
On Oct 30, 2007, at 11:00 AM, boo_lives wrote: Six new rajas are being crowned today - names below. Ceremony is being broadcast now at maharishi channel #3 at mou.org It must be symbolic of something that only one of the names mentioned, John Fagan, is even familiar. They've got a whole new crop to work with now it seems. I'm told that you no longer need to attend a course to become a raja - just wire in the million dollars. I'm amazed at how many people have given a million so far - it's well over 120 by my count. PT Barnum reigns supreme in this crowd, just when you think it can't get any loonier. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: new rajas today
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Six new rajas are being crowned today - names below. Ceremony is being broadcast now at maharishi channel #3 at mou.org I'm told that you no longer need to attend a course to become a raja - just wire in the million dollars. I'm amazed at how many people have given a million so far - it's well over 120 by my count. And the people of Fairfield have to raise money to buy the pundits some winter clothes. Yeah, *that's* sure the Age Of Enlightenment most of us had in mind when we first heard the phrase. :-) Let's do the math together, group. Six new rajas, at a million dollars a pop. An estimated $50,000 (in the latest begging press release) to buy winter clothes. H...let's see... how much would that leave for the TM movement if they paid for the clothes themselves? 5,950,000 dollars. As opposed to 5,975,000 dollars given their plan to have the people of Fairfield provide $25K in matching funds. As an example of where an organization's priorities lie, I think this little math exercise speaks volumes. Then again (trying for balance here, and to provide the Deva's advocate argument), we're probably not aware of all the *other* expenses that the TMO has to pay for the upkeep of the pundits. It's possible that they blew the whole 5,975,000 bucks already on barbed wire to keep the pundits in their compounds. :-)
RE: [FairfieldLife] Championship Ghee Wrestling (was Re: From Margi Gunn)
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of TurquoiseB Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 10:55 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Championship Ghee Wrestling (was Re: From Margi Gunn) I'm thinkin' that what you might *really* be upset about is realizing that here it is only Tuesday, and you're panicky because you've realized that you only have two posts left in which to trash Barry, whereas he has 20 more in which to ignore your very existence. :-) Ah, grasshopper, but you didn’t ignore it just then. You, with 20 arrows in your quiver, decided to let one fly, knowing that she’s only got two with which to respond. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.12/1098 - Release Date: 10/29/2007 9:28 AM
[FairfieldLife] Championship Ghee Wrestling (was Re: From Margi Gunn)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip I was thinking more along the lines of, If you think that you know enough to write a book, or to preach to someone else about how they should live their lives, you can't join until you get over it. Says Barry, preaching to others about how they should live their lives. At no point in his post did Barry suggest anything about how others should live their lives. You can't join until you get over it seemed like a pretty clear preachment to me. I merely noted what I saw as trends, and then cracked a joke. There was *zero* suggestion that anyone act on that inform- ation in any way. Well, Barry, not only did you make such a suggestion (quoted above), but your stock in trade here is preaching to others about how they should live their lives. snip I'm thinkin' that what you might *really* be upset about Looks like it's you who's upset, Barry. is realizing that here it is only Tuesday, and you're panicky because you've realized that you only have two posts left in which to trash Barry, whereas he has 20 more in which to ignore your very existence. :-) According to Yahoo Search, this is my 24th post, so there's no way I could be upset about having only two posts left. And FYI, I wouldn't be upset even if I *did* have only two posts left. I find my participation here is a lot more rewarding if I'm not constantly counting my posts and just quit for the week whenever I reach the limit. Have you noticed, by the way, that the prediction you were salivating over awhile back--about how I would gradually get further and further behind because at the start of the new week I'd have to first respond to all the posts I couldn't respond to the previous week--has flopped miserably? What's particularly amusing is that a month or so after you'd made that prediction, you claimed it had all come true--when it had not. And you're *still* obsessed with the number of my posts. Oh, and by the way, I've made only two posts this week (three counting this one) that were critical of you. This is a sickness with you, Barry. You really need to get some professional help with it. Championship Ghee Wrestling (was Re: From Margi Gunn) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: I got some chuckles out of that. So what is it about FFL? Most of us have a TM background. Is it that there's little emphasis in the TMO on becoming a nicer person, as there is in Buddhist circles and some other spiritual groups? In fact, egotism is intentionally cultured, with crowns, titles, and a pecking order determined by net worth. Not to mention being the best and the highest path. I remember a political cartoon illustrating the Reagan end run in which thoughts would bypass that part of his brain which, in most of us, edits and sometimes censors the nonsense thoughts that might otherwise come out of our mouths. It seems that some here suffer from the same syndrome. If they're in a rage, or feeling nasty toward someone, they somehow feel justified in venting it, and there's no indication of any introspection causing them to pause and consider the consequences or even the legitimacy of their perspective. I can't disagree with what you say here, but what interests me more is that there are some who seem to *feed* on losing control in this way. It's as if the times when they are out of control and lost in some over-the-top emotional moment are the highest points in their lives, so they go out of their way looking for more things to be outraged about, so they can feel more of them. Maybe Emily Post should be required reading for FFL membership. It couldn't hurt. I was thinking more along the lines of, If you think that you know enough to write a book, or to preach to someone else about how they should live their lives, you can't join until you get over it.
[FairfieldLife] Championship Ghee Wrestling (was Re: From Margi Gunn)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: TurquoiseB I'm thinkin' that what you might *really* be upset about is realizing that here it is only Tuesday, and you're panicky because you've realized that you only have two posts left in which to trash Barry, whereas he has 20 more in which to ignore your very existence. :-) Ah, grasshopper, but you didn't ignore it just then. You, with 20 arrows in your quiver, decided to let one fly, knowing that she's only got two with which to respond. True. I was just dumbfounded that someone who claims to be an editor could have seen what I wrote as preaching to others about how they should live their lives. So I got sucked in by her troll and replied. My bad. In truth, I think she only used two of her 33 posts so far this week to trash me. I think that's a new record, and Judy probably deserves to be congratulated for it rather than chided. Congratulations, Judy. May this trend continue. Now back to ignoring her, and poking fun at more currently-high-profile losers, like Bronte and Angela and Edg... :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: new rajas today
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Let's do the math together, group. Six new rajas, at a million dollars a pop. An estimated $50,000 (in the latest begging press release) to buy winter clothes. H...let's see... how much would that leave for the TM movement if they paid for the clothes themselves? 5,950,000 dollars. As opposed to 5,975,000 dollars given their plan to have the people of Fairfield provide $25K in matching funds. As an example of where an organization's priorities lie, I think this little math exercise speaks volumes. Then again (trying for balance here, and to provide the Deva's advocate argument), we're probably not aware of all the *other* expenses that the TMO has to pay for the upkeep of the pundits. It's possible that they blew the whole 5,975,000 bucks already on barbed wire to keep the pundits in their compounds. Bottom line is that most of us on this forum really *have* been there done that with the angry Whiner mentality. We went through it for a short time when we were first coming to grips with our own illusions about our respective spiritual paths, and we were probably *just* as whiny back then as Bronte and Angela are now. But WE GOT OVER IT, man. 30, 20, or 10 years ago. And now when some newbie rolls into town running the same act that we now find laughable in our own pasts, all we can do is laugh at them, too. --Barry Wright, 10/29/07
[FairfieldLife] Re: new rajas today
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The two Purusha got to be a Raja with universal domain! It really can't get any better than this, can it? Universal domain. For celibates they sure got a big pair on em don't they? The question for us Seinfeld fans is, Are they *masters* of their universal domain? :-)
RE: [FairfieldLife] Championship Ghee Wrestling (was Re: From Margi Gunn)
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of authfriend Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 11:48 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Championship Ghee Wrestling (was Re: From Margi Gunn) According to Yahoo Search, this is my 24th post, so there's no way I could be upset about having only two posts left. I’ve received exactly 35 posts from you as emails in Outlook. Sometimes Yahoo burps and sends out duplicates, but I quick spot check didn’t reveal any. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.12/1098 - Release Date: 10/29/2007 9:28 AM
[FairfieldLife] Re: new rajas today
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Six new rajas are being crowned today - names below. Ceremony is being broadcast now at maharishi channel #3 at mou.org I'm told that you no longer need to attend a course to become a raja - just wire in the million dollars. I'm amazed at how many people have given a million so far - it's well over 120 by my count. 1. The crowning of Raja Steven Rubin, the Raja of China for the Global Country of World Peace; 2. The crowning of Raja Emanuel Schiffgens, the Raja of Germany for the Global Country of World Peace; 3. The crowning of Raja Bruce Plaut, the Raja of North West Vedic America; 4. The crowning of Raja Rafael David, Purusha Raja with universal domain; 5. The crowning of Raja Richard Ross, Purusha*** Raja with universal domain. 6. Also present is Raja John Fagan, with special responsibility for food purity and for the nourishment of invincibility for the whole world. Hey...what if it actually works and, you know, the shadow government becomes the real government, wouldn't that be cool.
[FairfieldLife] Championship Ghee Wrestling (was Re: From Margi Gunn)
Judy, I give you ten of my rights-to-post. Send me your replies via duveyoung at yahoo dotty commie, and I'll repost them here. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of authfriend Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 11:48 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Championship Ghee Wrestling (was Re: From Margi Gunn) According to Yahoo Search, this is my 24th post, so there's no way I could be upset about having only two posts left. I've received exactly 35 posts from you as emails in Outlook. Sometimes Yahoo burps and sends out duplicates, but I quick spot check didn't reveal any. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.12/1098 - Release Date: 10/29/2007 9:28 AM
[FairfieldLife] Re: new rajas today
The two Purusha got to be a Raja with universal domain! It really can't get any better than this, can it? Universal domain. For celibates they sure got a big pair on em don't they? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Six new rajas are being crowned today - names below. Ceremony is being broadcast now at maharishi channel #3 at mou.org I'm told that you no longer need to attend a course to become a raja - just wire in the million dollars. I'm amazed at how many people have given a million so far - it's well over 120 by my count. 1. The crowning of Raja Steven Rubin, the Raja of China for the Global Country of World Peace; 2. The crowning of Raja Emanuel Schiffgens, the Raja of Germany for the Global Country of World Peace; 3. The crowning of Raja Bruce Plaut, the Raja of North West Vedic America; 4. The crowning of Raja Rafael David, Purusha Raja with universal domain; 5. The crowning of Raja Richard Ross, Purusha*** Raja with universal domain. 6. Also present is Raja John Fagan, with special responsibility for food purity and for the nourishment of invincibility for the whole world.
[FairfieldLife] Championship Ghee Wrestling (was Re: From Margi Gunn)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of authfriend Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 11:48 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Championship Ghee Wrestling (was Re: From Margi Gunn) According to Yahoo Search, this is my 24th post, so there's no way I could be upset about having only two posts left. I've received exactly 35 posts from you as emails in Outlook. Sometimes Yahoo burps and sends out duplicates, but I quick spot check didn't reveal any. OK. I'll be going by Yahoo Search's number until somebody decides to challenge its count, as you've just done. It's usually either on the nose or very close. I know I can count on Barry to warn me when I'm getting close, even if Yahoo Search is off, since it's so important to him that he's willing to go to the trouble of actually counting my posts one by one.
[FairfieldLife] Re: new rajas today
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Six new rajas are being crowned today - names below. Ceremony is being broadcast now at maharishi channel #3 at mou.org Hey...they really do have tinfoil hats! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:TinFoilHat002.jpg
[FairfieldLife] The inability to tell opinion from preaching
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: I got some chuckles out of that. So what is it about FFL? Most of us have a TM background. Is it that there's little emphasis in the TMO on becoming a nicer person, as there is in Buddhist circles and some other spiritual groups? In fact, egotism is intentionally cultured, with crowns, titles, and a pecking order determined by net worth. Not to mention being the best and the highest path. I remember a political cartoon illustrating the Reagan end run in which thoughts would bypass that part of his brain which, in most of us, edits and sometimes censors the nonsense thoughts that might otherwise come out of our mouths. It seems that some here suffer from the same syndrome. If they're in a rage, or feeling nasty toward someone, they somehow feel justified in venting it, and there's no indication of any introspection causing them to pause and consider the consequences or even the legitimacy of their perspective. I can't disagree with what you say here, but what interests me more is that there are some who seem to *feed* on losing control in this way. It's as if the times when they are out of control and lost in some over-the-top emotional moment are the highest points in their lives, so they go out of their way looking for more things to be outraged about, so they can feel more of them. Maybe Emily Post should be required reading for FFL membership. It couldn't hurt. I was thinking more along the lines of, If you think that you know enough to write a book, or to preach to someone else about how they should live their lives, you can't join until you get over it. Rick, In all honesty I think that subsequent followups to this exchange answered some of the questions you pose above. You stated an opinion. I stated one in reply. One person saw that exchange of two opinions as preaching to her about how she should live her life. If there is one thing that characterizes the TMer in my experience (as opposed to seekers in other spiritual traditions), it is the tendency to view any opinion other than their own as an attempt to preach to them or convert them in some way. I honestly think that a lot of this comes from the approach taught to TM teachers (Every question is a perfect opportunity for the answer we have already prepared.) and drummed into the heads of TMers in every lecture. TM teachers, like Maharishi, tend to be *incapable* of saying, I don't know. They also (like Maharishi) tend to be dogmatic in their statements, implying that the answers they give to every question are the definitive answers, the correct answers, the Truth. Therefore, when someone who has been exposed to this for years or decades encounters an opinion that is different from their own, they tend to think that the other person is doing what *they* do when they express *their* opinions -- attempting to state that their opinions are definitive, and correct and the Truth, and any other opinion is wrong. Some of us aren't. I don't think you do that when you post your opinions to FFL. I don't think that Alex does that, or Marek, or Hugo, or many others. They're just expressing an opinion, one among many. There is not an *ounce* of trying to sell these opinions in what they write, or of trying to con- vert others to consider them Truth. They're just opinions. These are the people I resonate with most on FFL. Conversations with them are easy and wonderful, because nobody is trying to sell anyone anything. They're just expressing opinions. And yet many of the diehard TM believers see these very conversations as provocative, or challenging, or even as attacks on their beliefs. Go figure. As a real followup to the questions you posed in your original post, I think that part of the reason that FFL degenerates into argumentation and noise is that so many people were systematically *taught* to react to any opinion that is different than their opinion *as if* it is some kind of attack. That's the whole rationale behind being Off The Program, that these people who have chosen to believe something improper or wrong are doing HARM to the faithful True Believers by holding these erroneous opinions. They must be *stopped* from holding them, and if they *can't* be stopped, they must be Sent Away, where they cannot infect the True Believers with their heresies. Why is there so much argumentation on TM forums? Because TMers have been *taught* to argue for the supremacy and correctness of the TM dogma, and to actively *suppress* any opinion that deviates from the TM dogma. This is my OPINION, and I'm sticking to it. At least until my next post, in which I might have a different opinion. :-) This OPINION is not intended as preaching to anyone, or as a suggestion as to how they should lead their lives. If they get off
[FairfieldLife] Re: hate America?
http://www.projectcensored.org/censored_2008/ Here's the censored stories that BigEvil doesn't want the masses knowing much about. Feste27, the minds that keep this knowledge from the headlines are LIKE YOURS -- except, you know, you're a pissant they'd never deign to have as part of their cabal since you don't have two IQ points to rub together. Wait, I'll take that back. The intellectually challenged deserve our love, but you are a mindful supporter of evil and you're so bad at it that evil too cannot stand you. Yours is the face of the banality of Kali Yuga -- when every manner of oblivious self-serving hideous rationalization is commonplace. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bag lady, huh? Well, you certainly seem to have a lot of baggage. You almost got through this post without mentioning Hitler, until you stumbled at the last. This reminds me a little of Rudy G., who can't seem to open his mouth without mentioning 9/11. Oh well, I guess we all have our obsessions. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander mailander111@ wrote: If you have no interest in me, why make assumptions about who I am and what I love or hate? I told you the truth. Circumstances are always complex, and I assure you there is no conspiracy against me. When I arrived at the L.A. airport from China, I had a return ticket in my pocket. Homeland Security said, You can go back to China if you want, but if you do, you're never coming back here. When I got to Ff, I asked Congressman Leach if this was legal, and he said that it was, that they could have denied me entry. I checked with an attorney specializing in such matters, and was told that people had been denied entry for no reason. So, I was here with two suitcases, no money, no place to stay, no job, and no job prospects, and a decision to make: Rich woman in China, or bag lady in the U.S. I I had two weeks to make that decision, and went for bag lady. Smart does not necessarily mean money, as Americans seem to be convinced it does. I've never taught at any University, here, in Germany, or in China when my colleagues didn't respect me. I agreed at some point with an article that said American education had hit rock bottom. I said we were all, including me, embedded in it, and I said my Ph.D. wasn't worth what earlier Ph.D. had been worth in terms of academic standards. People got their egos bent over this. When people hear that American education is terrible, even if they agree with that, they always want to talk about it as if it doesn't include them. Absurd. The comparison between Nazi Germany and the U.S. is not absurd, but I'm done talking about it. The extant information allowing that comparison is becoming more and more available in English, but you are not really interested nor willing to listen with an open mind. Not everyone you disagree with is delusional, but wanting to hospitalize those whom you deem so (in your professional opinion), is something Hitler would have agreed with. a feste37 feste37@ wrote: I have no interest in fathoming who you are. But this story, if true, is a nice reversal of the usual onebeing able to make money in China but choosing poverty in America. But dear Angela, if you are so smart, and you are continually telling us that you are, how come you cannot make money in this great land of opportunity? If you are so smart, why are you poor? Some terrible conspiracy against you, perhaps? A refusal by others to recognize your great genius? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander mailander111@ wrote: I find your accusation that I hate America nothing short of astounding--just because I see clearly doesn't mean I hate. I already told you that when I was eighteen I had a choice between wealth and ruling class status in Europe and poverty in America. I chose poverty in America. I had that same choice when I lived with my sister in Europe. And again I chose poverty in America rather than wealth and ruling class status in Europe. When I came back from China, Homeland Security put me through a five-hour interrogation in the presence of armed guards and then gave me a choice: China or America. In China I had a successful research project close to my heart with enormous income potential. In just two years I had become known for it in three big Chinese cities and in the biggest kindergarten chain in China that was based in Taiwan. I had friends I loved. I had status as a respected professional among my colleagues--other Chinese universities were competing with each other to snag me. My students loved me. I had a great income. And there was even a man who loved me. But when Homeland Security gave me that choice, I once again and with open eyes chose poverty in America over all that I
RE: [FairfieldLife] Championship Ghee Wrestling (was Re: From Margi Gunn)
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Duveyoung Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 12:23 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Championship Ghee Wrestling (was Re: From Margi Gunn) Judy, I give you ten of my rights-to-post. Send me your replies via duveyoung at yahoo dotty commie, and I'll repost them here. Edg Hey, this could become a lucrative business, kind of like trading carbon emissions credits. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.12/1098 - Release Date: 10/29/2007 9:28 AM
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Belgium Declaration
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of BillyG. Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 9:34 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Belgium Declaration --- In HYPERLINK mailto:FairfieldLife% 40yahoogroups.comFairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 mainstream20016@ wrote: The genius of MMY was presenting TM as a secular technique. MMY's Belgium Declaration of March 12, 1974 is key - wide and deep acceptance of TM results from presenting TM in this manner. As an ironic sidenote, he made that declaration when he came to conclude a TTC that Jack Forem and I had been teaching in Belgium (Vincent Snell and Martin Karklins were teaching the Europeans, and John Gray and Clifford McGuire were teaching the younger Americans. While very wary of spiritual practices dependant upon the presence of a charismatic leader, yet drawn to spirituality, I learned TM in Feb.,1974. 1974 was the pinnacle of TMs presentation as a secular technique. The TM movement at that time was devloping credibility by offering an authentic meditation that did not require religious affiliation. I am happy with my TM practice, and have no conflict between TM and my Christian religious practice. So many who could benefit from TM. Hopefully, TM will again be taught as a secular technique, by a separate and secular organization.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The inability to tell opinion from preaching
TurquoiseB wrote: In all honesty I think that subsequent followups to this exchange answered some of the questions you pose above. You stated an opinion. I stated one in reply. One person saw that exchange of two opinions as preaching to her about how she should live her life. If there is one thing that characterizes the TMer in my experience (as opposed to seekers in other spiritual traditions), it is the tendency to view any opinion other than their own as an attempt to preach to them or convert them in some way. I honestly think that a lot of this comes from the approach taught to TM teachers (Every question is a perfect opportunity for the answer we have already prepared.) and drummed into the heads of TMers in every lecture. TM teachers, like Maharishi, tend to be *incapable* of saying, I don't know. They also (like Maharishi) tend to be dogmatic in their statements, implying that the answers they give to every question are the definitive answers, the correct answers, the Truth. Therefore, when someone who has been exposed to this for years or decades encounters an opinion that is different from their own, they tend to think that the other person is doing what *they* do when they express *their* opinions -- attempting to state that their opinions are definitive, and correct and the Truth, and any other opinion is wrong. Some of us aren't. I don't think you do that when you post your opinions to FFL. I don't think that Alex does that, or Marek, or Hugo, or many others. They're just expressing an opinion, one among many. There is not an *ounce* of trying to sell these opinions in what they write, or of trying to con- vert others to consider them Truth. They're just opinions. These are the people I resonate with most on FFL. Conversations with them are easy and wonderful, because nobody is trying to sell anyone anything. They're just expressing opinions. And yet many of the diehard TM believers see these very conversations as provocative, or challenging, or even as attacks on their beliefs. Go figure. As a real followup to the questions you posed in your original post, I think that part of the reason that FFL degenerates into argumentation and noise is that so many people were systematically *taught* to react to any opinion that is different than their opinion *as if* it is some kind of attack. That's the whole rationale behind being Off The Program, that these people who have chosen to believe something improper or wrong are doing HARM to the faithful True Believers by holding these erroneous opinions. They must be *stopped* from holding them, and if they *can't* be stopped, they must be Sent Away, where they cannot infect the True Believers with their heresies. Why is there so much argumentation on TM forums? Because TMers have been *taught* to argue for the supremacy and correctness of the TM dogma, and to actively *suppress* any opinion that deviates from the TM dogma. This is my OPINION, and I'm sticking to it. At least until my next post, in which I might have a different opinion. :-) This OPINION is not intended as preaching to anyone, or as a suggestion as to how they should lead their lives. If they get off on getting offended by opinions that differ from their own, *by all means* they should continue to do so. I'll continue to laugh at them, and that laughter is an opinion in itself. The laughter is not a form of preaching; it's just an expression of being amused. You ARE the TMer, Barry. It's very amusing that you have an opinion of what the other TMers should be thinking. I'm offended that you'd laugh at the other TMers for being Off The Program.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: hate America?
what does my nationality or citizenship have to do with the price of tea in China? Just curious. a Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Angela Mailander Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 9:50 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: hate America? If you have no interest in me, why make assumptions about who I am and what I love or hate? I told you the truth. Circumstances are always complex, and I assure you there is no conspiracy against me. When I arrived at the L.A. airport from China, I had a return ticket in my pocket. Homeland Security said, You can go back to China if you want, but if you do, you're never coming back here. When I got to Ff, I asked Congressman Leach if this was legal, and he said that it was, that they could have denied me entry What nationality are you, German? No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.12/1098 - Release Date: 10/29/2007 9:28 AM Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Will Bush really bomb Iran?
jstein wrote: Nobody loathes Chris Matthews more than I do. He's always had a man-crush on Bush for some unfathomable reason, but he was, in fact, outspoken against the Iraq war from the beginning, one of the very few broadcasters who were. I'd be flabbergasted if he supported a war now with Iran. So, you agree with Matthews that we are in a war. For his opposition to the Iraq war, see this interview with Salon.com from February 2003 (before the invasion): http://tinyurl.com/34syne (You'll need to watch a brief ad unless you're a subscriber.) Money quote: And on the war, I think my numbers would be a lot higher if I were out there beating the drum for this war. In fact, I don't think it, I know it. But I can't be for the war. I can't find a reason to be for this war. I've looked, and I can't, so Im not. The people who are backing this war are more interested in their own ideology than what's good for the country. It's not about America. Which is scary. In other parts of the interview, he nails the reasons why it was a bad idea; he foresaw them before most people did. And everything he predicted has come to pass. As repellent a personality as he is, you have to give him credit for his stance on the war.
[FairfieldLife] Re: hate America?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what does my nationality or citizenship have to do with the price of tea in China? It has EVERYTHING to do with it. If you are a citizen, they cannot deny you entry at all (well, except in extremely dire circumstances which would probably require a rescinding of your citizenship which I think has only been done a dozen times or more in U.S. history). If you are NOT a citizen, the U.S. has no obligation -- constitutional or otherwise -- to provide you entry to U.S. territory. Just curious. a Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Angela Mailander Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 9:50 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: hate America? If you have no interest in me, why make assumptions about who I am and what I love or hate? I told you the truth. Circumstances are always complex, and I assure you there is no conspiracy against me. When I arrived at the L.A. airport from China, I had a return ticket in my pocket. Homeland Security said, You can go back to China if you want, but if you do, you're never coming back here. When I got to Ff, I asked Congressman Leach if this was legal, and he said that it was, that they could have denied me entry What nationality are you, German? No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.12/1098 - Release Date: 10/29/2007 9:28 AM Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: hate America?
May I know why you left those lucrative jobs in Europe and China.?? You have not explained why you settled down in America.?? What kind of research were you doing in China.?? Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 17:43:43 - Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: hate America? http://www.projectc ensored.org/ censored_ 2008/ Here's the censored stories that BigEvil doesn't want the masses knowing much about. Feste27, the minds that keep this knowledge from the headlines are LIKE YOURS -- except, you know, you're a pissant they'd never deign to have as part of their cabal since you don't have two IQ points to rub together. Wait, I'll take that back. The intellectually challenged deserve our love, but you are a mindful supporter of evil and you're so bad at it that evil too cannot stand you. Yours is the face of the banality of Kali Yuga -- when every manner of oblivious self-serving hideous rationalization is commonplace. Edg --- feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bag lady, huh? Well, you certainly seem to have a lot of baggage. You almost got through this post without mentioning Hitler, until you stumbled at the last. This reminds me a little of Rudy G., who can't seem to open his mouth without mentioning 9/11. Oh well, I guess we all have our obsessions. --- , Angela Mailander mailander111@ wrote: If you have no interest in me, why make assumptions about who I am and what I love or hate? I told you the truth. Circumstances are always complex, and I assure you there is no conspiracy against me. When I arrived at the L.A. airport from China, I had a return ticket in my pocket. Homeland Security said, You can go back to China if you want, but if you do, you're never coming back here. When I got to Ff, I asked Congressman Leach if this was legal, and he said that it was, that they could have denied me entry. I checked with an attorney specializing in such matters, and was told that people had been denied entry for no reason. So, I was here with two suitcases, no money, no place to stay, no job, and no job prospects, and a decision to make: Rich woman in China, or bag lady in the U.S. I I had two weeks to make that decision, and went for bag lady. Smart does not necessarily mean money, as Americans seem to be convinced it does. I've never taught at any University, here, in Germany, or in China when my colleagues didn't respect me. I agreed at some point with an article that said American education had hit rock bottom. I said we were all, including me, embedded in it, and I said my Ph.D. wasn't worth what earlier Ph.D. had been worth in terms of academic standards. People got their egos bent over this. When people hear that American education is terrible, even if they agree with that, they always want to talk about it as if it doesn't include them. Absurd. The comparison between Nazi Germany and the U.S. is not absurd, but I'm done talking about it. The extant information allowing that comparison is becoming more and more available in English, but you are not really interested nor willing to listen with an open mind. Not everyone you disagree with is delusional, but wanting to hospitalize those whom you deem so (in your professional opinion), is something Hitler would have agreed with. a feste37 feste37@ wrote: I have no interest in fathoming who you are. But this story, if true, is a nice reversal of the usual onebeing able to make money in China but choosing poverty in America. But dear Angela, if you are so smart, and you are continually telling us that you are, how come you cannot make money in this great land of opportunity? If you are so smart, why are you poor? Some terrible conspiracy against you, perhaps? A refusal by others to recognize your great genius? --- Angela Mailander mailander111@ wrote: I find your accusation that I hate America nothing short of astounding-- just because I see clearly doesn't mean I hate. I already told you that when I was eighteen I had a choice between wealth and ruling class status in Europe and poverty in America. I chose poverty in America. I had that same choice when I lived with my sister in Europe. And again I chose poverty in America rather than wealth and ruling class status in Europe. When I came back from China, Homeland Security put me through a five-hour interrogation in the presence of armed guards and then gave me a choice: China or America. In China I had a successful research project close to my heart with enormous income potential. In just two years I had become known for it in three big Chinese cities and in the biggest kindergarten chain in China that was based in Taiwan. I had friends I loved. I had status as a respected professional among my colleagues-- other Chinese universities were competing with each other to snag me. My students loved me. I had a great income. And
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: hate America?
The establishment of the Department of Homeland Security changed some of the laws regarding who could and who could not be denied entry. Congressman Leach informed me in writing that it was now up to the discretion of the individual agent at the port of entry. Before the establishment of the Department of Homeland Security, legal residents could not be denied entry if their papers were in order. Now, anyone can be disappeared, since Habeas Corpus is down the tubes, and whether or not you are a citizen has nothing to do with that. a shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what does my nationality or citizenship have to do with the price of tea in China? It has EVERYTHING to do with it. If you are a citizen, they cannot deny you entry at all (well, except in extremely dire circumstances which would probably require a rescinding of your citizenship which I think has only been done a dozen times or more in U.S. history). If you are NOT a citizen, the U.S. has no obligation -- constitutional or otherwise -- to provide you entry to U.S. territory. Just curious. a Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Angela Mailander Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 9:50 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: hate America? If you have no interest in me, why make assumptions about who I am and what I love or hate? I told you the truth. Circumstances are always complex, and I assure you there is no conspiracy against me. When I arrived at the L.A. airport from China, I had a return ticket in my pocket. Homeland Security said, You can go back to China if you want, but if you do, you're never coming back here. When I got to Ff, I asked Congressman Leach if this was legal, and he said that it was, that they could have denied me entry What nationality are you, German? No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.12/1098 - Release Date: 10/29/2007 9:28 AM Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: new rajas today
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The two Purusha got to be a Raja with universal domain! It really can't get any better than this, can it? Universal domain. For celibates they sure got a big pair on em don't they? I don't see it as a proclamation of their current status, so much as a very public can't-weasel-out-of-it-now statement about their objective. That's some heavy learning they have signed up for. I applaud them for it, costumes and all. Not my trip personally, but yeah I think it takes some sizable cajones to take that on, probably a much bigger task than they realize today.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: hate America?
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Angela Mailander Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 1:45 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: hate America? what does my nationality or citizenship have to do with the price of tea in China? Just curious. A I was just curious. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.12/1098 - Release Date: 10/29/2007 9:28 AM
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: hate America?
On both occasion in which I chose the U.S. over Europe, I did not leave lucrative jobs behind. Wealth generally does not come from jobs. But when I decided to remain in the U.S. rather than return to my situation in China, I did leave a great deal behind. My decision was a matter of listening to the deepest aspects of myself that I can hear, and it required some courage to heed that voice since, as I said, all I had was two suitcases. Any story about why I chose to obey that voice would be just that, a story after the fact. And I could tell a bunch. No lack of stories in my life. Why I chose to remain in America is a complex question, and I doubt I could do it justice in an email. Moreover, I do not believe that causation is only in the past. The ultimate understanding of why I made that choice may lie in the future. I often do have accurate visions of the future, but, equally often, all I get is a You'll see. I did educational research in China. It was successful far beyond even my own expectations, and I expected a lot. a Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: May I know why you left those lucrative jobs in Europe and China.?? You have not explained why you settled down in America.?? What kind of research were you doing in China.?? Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 17:43:43 - Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: hate America? http://www.projectc ensored.org/ censored_ 2008/ Here's the censored stories that BigEvil doesn't want the masses knowing much about. Feste27, the minds that keep this knowledge from the headlines are LIKE YOURS -- except, you know, you're a pissant they'd never deign to have as part of their cabal since you don't have two IQ points to rub together. Wait, I'll take that back. The intellectually challenged deserve our love, but you are a mindful supporter of evil and you're so bad at it that evil too cannot stand you. Yours is the face of the banality of Kali Yuga -- when every manner of oblivious self-serving hideous rationalization is commonplace. Edg --- feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bag lady, huh? Well, you certainly seem to have a lot of baggage. You almost got through this post without mentioning Hitler, until you stumbled at the last. This reminds me a little of Rudy G., who can't seem to open his mouth without mentioning 9/11. Oh well, I guess we all have our obsessions. --- , Angela Mailander mailander111@ wrote: If you have no interest in me, why make assumptions about who I am and what I love or hate? I told you the truth. Circumstances are always complex, and I assure you there is no conspiracy against me. When I arrived at the L.A. airport from China, I had a return ticket in my pocket. Homeland Security said, You can go back to China if you want, but if you do, you're never coming back here. When I got to Ff, I asked Congressman Leach if this was legal, and he said that it was, that they could have denied me entry. I checked with an attorney specializing in such matters, and was told that people had been denied entry for no reason. So, I was here with two suitcases, no money, no place to stay, no job, and no job prospects, and a decision to make: Rich woman in China, or bag lady in the U.S. I I had two weeks to make that decision, and went for bag lady. Smart does not necessarily mean money, as Americans seem to be convinced it does. I've never taught at any University, here, in Germany, or in China when my colleagues didn't respect me. I agreed at some point with an article that said American education had hit rock bottom. I said we were all, including me, embedded in it, and I said my Ph.D. wasn't worth what earlier Ph.D. had been worth in terms of academic standards. People got their egos bent over this. When people hear that American education is terrible, even if they agree with that, they always want to talk about it as if it doesn't include them. Absurd. The comparison between Nazi Germany and the U.S. is not absurd, but I'm done talking about it. The extant information allowing that comparison is becoming more and more available in English, but you are not really interested nor willing to listen with an open mind. Not everyone you disagree with is delusional, but wanting to hospitalize those whom you deem so (in your professional opinion), is something Hitler would have agreed with. a feste37 feste37@ wrote: I have no interest in fathoming who you are. But this story, if true, is a nice reversal of the usual onebeing able to make money in China but choosing poverty in America. But dear Angela, if you are so smart, and you are continually telling us that you are, how come you cannot make money in this great land of opportunity? If you are so smart, why are you poor? Some terrible conspiracy against you, perhaps? A refusal by others to recognize your great
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: hate America?
I think he is asking if you have American citizenship which in that case it would be very outrageous to deny you entry back into the country. But even detaining a foreigner for 5 hours is rather outrageous. But then the Homeland Security people I've seen probably couldn't even get a job flipping burgers otherwise. Angela Mailander wrote: what does my nationality or citizenship have to do with the price of tea in China? Just curious. a Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Angela Mailander Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 9:50 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: hate America? If you have no interest in me, why make assumptions about who I am and what I love or hate? I told you the truth. Circumstances are always complex, and I assure you there is no conspiracy against me. When I arrived at the L.A. airport from China, I had a return ticket in my pocket. Homeland Security said, You can go back to China if you want, but if you do, you're never coming back here. When I got to Ff, I asked Congressman Leach if this was legal, and he said that it was, that they could have denied me entry What nationality are you, German? No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.12/1098 - Release Date: 10/29/2007 9:28 AM Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Belgium Declaration
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip While very wary of spiritual practices dependant upon the presence of a charismatic leader, yet drawn to spirituality, I learned TM in Feb.,1974. 1974 was the pinnacle of TMs presentation as a secular technique. The TM movement at that time was devloping credibility by offering an authentic meditation that did not require religious affiliation. I am happy with my TM practice, and have no conflict between TM and my Christian religious practice. So many who could benefit from TM. Hopefully, TM will again be taught as a secular technique, by a separate and secular organization. I could create some for you if you wish, I mean the Pope, come on! :-) BTW, TM has been taught as a secular science (without ethics) and look at what's happened..it's become science *in lieu of* Religion, (for many) not a good idea at all especially since all the components of TM are not there since it had to be compromised in order to teach it as a science. TM could successfully be called and promoted as a *Religious Science* IMO, and that would be honest.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 9-11 -- The Inside Job was merely a blip (snip .... thought police)
It's good to look at 9-11 like a mystery movie. It would be like one of those movies were a dirty cop kills some innocent person and an equally corrupt police force covers up for him. In the process private detectives and journalists begin to uncover what really went on. Of course the corrupt police hassles them and try to throw them off as they get too close to the truth. Likewise if 9-11 were an inside job then of course they it would make perfect sense that the perpetrators would use disinformation to throw 9-11 truthers off course. Many of the 9-11 truth people go to great pains to filter out disinformation and incorrect evidence. They're not going to be perfect but neither are the perps. Time will tell. authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, Ari Fleischer, the press secretary, revealed it the next day at a press conference. It was relayed to the Bush folks after Air Force One had taken off, not at the school. And the code name wasn't secret; it had been published numerous times. Whatever. It was around that time. Neither did I say it was a secret code word. No, you didn't, but Tarpley does, and administration shills do as well. On what page of 9/11 Synthetic Terror does Tarpley say that? I don't see it. Moreover, it turned out to have been a misunderstanding all along, in the chaos after the attacks. The White House has promoted it as an excuse for Air Force One's aimlessness and for Bush not coming back to D.C. right away. So much for your guy's thorough documentation. So you believe the Bush administration? Huh? Do I believe it was a legitimate threat? Did you read what I wrote? Did you read what I wrote? The source on that would have had to be the Bush administration which is known for cover-ups and lies. Find those WMDs yet? Complete non sequitur. Am I making you a little nervous? No it isn't a non sequitur. It is a joke, obviously. You make me nervous? Hardly, you're being delusional. I can understand that some people don't want to entertain the idea that official 9-11 was cover because that would mean they are living under a hostile regime. Guess what, Bhairitu? Some of us have been well aware for some years that we're living under a hostile regime, and we *still* think the 9/11 conspiracy theories are bunkum. Those two ideas are not mutually exclusive, sorry. This is like reviewing a movie without actually seeing it. I beg your pardon? Most of the people here have only read short accounts and really don't have that much knowledge of the 9-11 truth movement. How much of the movie have you seen? Quite a bit. I've spent many hours on the various Web sites, watched several of the films. For awhile I thought there was something to it, but then I began to find some very good debunking sites, and most of the claims just don't hold up under examination. Care to share with us just what those debunking sites are (so I can debunk them)? I just can't believe you fall for the official story. It's a lot more than just the official story. You don't have to depend on what the government says--or on Popular Mechanics, for that matter-- to figure out that the conspiracy theories are bunk. That is bunk. Conspiracies are a part of history. For some bizarre reason you don't like to admit to them. Duh. Even without 9-11 we have the most corrupt government in the history of the nation. If you can't see that then you're part of the problem and obviously taking (to use the Matrix movie analogy) the blue pill. We *do* see that, Bhairitu. We just don't find the conspiracy theories about 9/11 convincing. Who's we? Do you have multiple personality syndrome? :D There are several people on FFL who are skeptical of the conspiracy theories. So you speak for them? There are many others here who aren't so skeptical. Again I have my doubts that you've looked into it that much. I've been very interested in it ever since it happened and have read everything I could find on it. How do you think I know the Popular Mechanics debunking was so poor and simplistic if I haven't looked into the theories in some detail? You don't seem to see the contradictions in your own arguments. There are no contradictions in my arguments. You're just making that up.
[FairfieldLife] Re: new rajas today
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: The two Purusha got to be a Raja with universal domain! It really can't get any better than this, can it? Universal domain. For celibates they sure got a big pair on em don't they? I don't see it as a proclamation of their current status, so much as a very public can't-weasel-out-of-it-now statement about their objective. That's some heavy learning they have signed up for. I applaud them for it, costumes and all. Not my trip personally, but yeah I think it takes some sizable cajones to take that on, probably a much bigger task than they realize today. What exactly is their task?? They walk around in funny costumes and occasionally talk about raising money for unbounded infinite invincible perfect projects that never happen anyway. And they do a really long program that is the same they've done for 30 yrs. And their egos get boosted when they're in public tm celebrations. I watched some of the coronation today and the whole thing seems to be about the ability to get into a fantasy mental state where you try to talk real slowly for a very long time without saying anything real.
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Thought Crime Bill, Nazi Germany and the New Age
billy jim wrote: 2007 America is not the Weimar Republic. There will be no enabling law unless we have a WMD go off in a major city. If that happens we might actually need martial law. Why would be need martial law? Last thing we need is a bunch of dumb asses pushing us around. Some of us will push right back.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: hate America?
I am a German citizen, but a legal resident alien in the U.S.---i.e. I've got a valid green card. When I got that green card, the U.S. promised me (and all others with the same legal status) that I would have the same rights and duties as any citizen except a) I could not run for public office, b) I could not work for the U.S. government, c) I could not vote in any election, and d) if I left the country, there were certain conditions I would have to fulfill if I wanted to return--which I did. The U.S. broke its promises to all green card holders with the establishment of the Department of Homeland Security. a Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Angela Mailander Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 1:45 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: hate America? what does my nationality or citizenship have to do with the price of tea in China? Just curious. A I was just curious. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.12/1098 - Release Date: 10/29/2007 9:28 AM Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: The inability to tell opinion from preaching
Do you think Maharishi himself is responsible for the rigidity ot the True Blue Believer.?? Hardcore TB's simply cannot comprehend the complex nature of this Universe. They lap up one version of the Universe taught by the TM-org and get struck in it. Soon it becomes a dogma. In MMYyahoogroup, they accused me of being a CIA agent. I guess being stalked by a CIA agent makes them feel important.?? It's important to listen to a wide range of opinions. It gives you a much broader view of the Universe. My humble opinion, ' TM runs on a black budget' John Hagelin worked in Area 51. TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 17:43:14 - Subject: [FairfieldLife] The inability to tell opinion from preaching Rick, In all honesty I think that subsequent followups to this exchange answered some of the questions you pose above. You stated an opinion. I stated one in reply. One person saw that exchange of two opinions as preaching to her about how she should live her life. If there is one thing that characterizes the TMer in my experience (as opposed to seekers in other spiritual traditions), it is the tendency to view any opinion other than their own as an attempt to preach to them or convert them in some way. I honestly think that a lot of this comes from the approach taught to TM teachers (Every question is a perfect opportunity for the answer we have already prepared.) and drummed into the heads of TMers in every lecture. TM teachers, like Maharishi, tend to be *incapable* of saying, I don't know. They also (like Maharishi) tend to be dogmatic in their statements, implying that the answers they give to every question are the definitive answers, the correct answers, the Truth. Therefore, when someone who has been exposed to this for years or decades encounters an opinion that is different from their own, they tend to think that the other person is doing what *they* do when they express *their* opinions -- attempting to state that their opinions are definitive, and correct and the Truth, and any other opinion is wrong. Some of us aren't. I don't think you do that when you post your opinions to FFL. I don't think that Alex does that, or Marek, or Hugo, or many others. They're just expressing an opinion, one among many. There is not an *ounce* of trying to sell these opinions in what they write, or of trying to con- vert others to consider them Truth. They're just opinions. These are the people I resonate with most on FFL. Conversations with them are easy and wonderful, because nobody is trying to sell anyone anything. They're just expressing opinions. And yet many of the diehard TM believers see these very conversations as provocative, or challenging, or even as attacks on their beliefs. Go figure. As a real followup to the questions you posed in your original post, I think that part of the reason that FFL degenerates into argumentation and noise is that so many people were systematically *taught* to react to any opinion that is different than their opinion *as if* it is some kind of attack. That's the whole rationale behind being Off The Program, that these people who have chosen to believe something improper or wrong are doing HARM to the faithful True Believers by holding these erroneous opinions. They must be *stopped* from holding them, and if they *can't* be stopped, they must be Sent Away, where they cannot infect the True Believers with their heresies. Why is there so much argumentation on TM forums? Because TMers have been *taught* to argue for the supremacy and correctness of the TM dogma, and to actively *suppress* any opinion that deviates from the TM dogma. This is my OPINION, and I'm sticking to it. At least until my next post, in which I might have a different opinion. :-) This OPINION is not intended as preaching to anyone, or as a suggestion as to how they should lead their lives. If they get off on getting offended by opinions that differ from their own, *by all means* they should continue to do so. I'll continue to laugh at them, and that laughter is an opinion in itself. The laughter is not a form of preaching; it's just an expression of being amused. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: hate America?
Not only did they detain me, they didn't tell me why. They wouldn't let me call a friend who was waiting for me and they wouldn't let me use the bathroom. There were four agents. Two of them questioned me, the other two were sharp observers. One of the two who questioned me appeared to be of average intelligence. The fourth was pretending to be stupid, but I think he was probably brilliant. a Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think he is asking if you have American citizenship which in that case it would be very outrageous to deny you entry back into the country. But even detaining a foreigner for 5 hours is rather outrageous. But then the Homeland Security people I've seen probably couldn't even get a job flipping burgers otherwise. Angela Mailander wrote: what does my nationality or citizenship have to do with the price of tea in China? Just curious. a Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Angela Mailander Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 9:50 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: hate America? If you have no interest in me, why make assumptions about who I am and what I love or hate? I told you the truth. Circumstances are always complex, and I assure you there is no conspiracy against me. When I arrived at the L.A. airport from China, I had a return ticket in my pocket. Homeland Security said, You can go back to China if you want, but if you do, you're never coming back here. When I got to Ff, I asked Congressman Leach if this was legal, and he said that it was, that they could have denied me entry What nationality are you, German? No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.12/1098 - Release Date: 10/29/2007 9:28 AM Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: hate America?
Two stories: At an airport, they pulled me aside. Don't know why. They search everything, feeling linings for lumps, checking my body for metal, patting me down, and then targeting my brief case and wiping it with a special cloth that would show if I had even a hint of banned chemicals to make on-board explosives with. The cloths showed positively that my brief case had something wrongobongo. So they called in their superior, cuz, well, I'm a very nice guy with gray hair with a woman whose luggage showed no signs of residues and I'm laughing aloud cuz I know I'm clean as clean can be. So, you know, I'm not fitting the terrorist profile. They're wiping repeatedly. Maybe 10 wiping-events, and the machine-reader called each one of them positive for banned something-or-other. Finally the supervisor makes a call, and whomever he talks to doesn't know what to do either. Finally, they just call it, and tell me I'm okay to fly. Sometimes a deodorant or shaving cream will have an ingredient that triggers these machines, he said. But everyone knew, it was their intuition overriding their testing devices. If I had had a beard or accent or turban, I'd probably still be being strip searched. See? You don't? Okay, next story: I get audited by the IRS, and they pull me into their office and go over my receipts -- one by one by one. I'm living in the upper bedroom of the center and using the rest of the house for business, but the tax guy says that if the center isn't open 24/7 then the house is for my personal use only during non-business hours and my deductions should be discounted downwards. I tell them, well, if that's the case, then this and that and this and that will have to be re-figured to make all the math come out correctly. The tax guy says, Well, how about you just pay $300 more in taxesdeal? See? Laws, schmaws, authorities are human and make up their own minds right there on the spot. Some days, ya just gotta love the lowest rung on bureacracy's ladder; some other days, not so much, eh? The laws are about spiritual intent -- not the letter of the law, but almost any intent can be projected into almost any law, and beware the minions who are dealing out the taro cards when they decide your fate. Hey, Boss, pick a card so I can process this passenger. Oops, sorry, Buddy, but the only kind of boarding you're going to get is waterboarding. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think he is asking if you have American citizenship which in that case it would be very outrageous to deny you entry back into the country. But even detaining a foreigner for 5 hours is rather outrageous. But then the Homeland Security people I've seen probably couldn't even get a job flipping burgers otherwise. Angela Mailander wrote: what does my nationality or citizenship have to do with the price of tea in China? Just curious. a Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Angela Mailander Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 9:50 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: hate America? If you have no interest in me, why make assumptions about who I am and what I love or hate? I told you the truth. Circumstances are always complex, and I assure you there is no conspiracy against me. When I arrived at the L.A. airport from China, I had a return ticket in my pocket. Homeland Security said, You can go back to China if you want, but if you do, you're never coming back here. When I got to Ff, I asked Congressman Leach if this was legal, and he said that it was, that they could have denied me entry What nationality are you, German? No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.12/1098 - Release Date: 10/29/2007 9:28 AM Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] From Judy (Re: Is Flaming Evil not allowed here? )
Edg, thanks, I'm going to take you up on this, just for the hell of it--although you may want to withdraw the offer on the basis of the following reply. Judy Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is Flaming Evil not allowed here? (9-11 -- The Inside Job ) I can't let stand the twisting of my favorite play to promote a nutcase agenda. Angela wrote: When the ghost of Hamlet's father tells him that it is necessary to re-establish order in the state of Denmark, and that to do so Hamlet must kill a relative (synecdoche for all our fellow humans), he also says that he doesn't care how Hamlet does it, the important thing is 1) Taint not your mind and 2) leave your mom (symbolic for Nature) out of it. Even when rulers accomplish that state of consciousness in which they do not incur evil karma (tainted mind) and when they act established in a state beyond nature, it still tends to be a universal truth that Uneasy lies the crowned head. Nice summary of Peter Brook's interpretation of Hamlet, except that he and you are mistaken about the quote. Here it is, in full: - But, howsoever thou pursuest this act, Taint not thy mind, nor let thy soul contrive Against thy mother aught: leave her to heaven And to those thorns that in her bosom lodge, To prick and sting her. - Taint not thy mind is not an isolated command; it goes with the rest of the sentence: nor let thy soul contrive against thy mother aught. Hamlet is neither to taint his mind against his mother, nor is he to let his soul contrive anything against her. Heaven and her own conscience will mete out her punishment. Note the dualism of mind and soul here. Note also that Hamlet is told to kill his uncle because his uncle has murdered his own brother, Hamlet's father (the Ghost), in order to gain the throne of Denmark and marry Hamlet's father's widow, Hamlet's mother. So it isn't just to reestablish order in the kingdom of Denmark, it's to right a grievous wrong within a family, to revenge a fratricide and the sanctification of the murderer's adultery with his murdered brother's wife. Note further that at first Hamlet accepts the Ghost's demands enthusiastically: - Yea, from the table of my memory I'll wipe away all trivial fond records, All saws of books, all forms, all pressures past, That youth and observation copied there; And thy commandment all alone shall live Within the book and volume of my brain, Unmix'd with baser matter: yes, by heaven! - This might fit with Brook's interpretation, if it weren't for the fact that Hamlet proceeds for most of the rest of the play to agonize over whether killing his uncle is the right thing to do; he's almost driven to suicide by the conflict, but fears what he'll encounter after death too much to actually take his own life. He agonizes as well over his mother's perfidy, at one point berating her so brutally that the Ghost has to make another appearance to get him back on track. And finally, Hamlet *dies* in the end, along with both his uncle and his mother (and sundry other characters along the way). It isn't as if Shakespeare is putting the bloodletting on some exalted transcendental plane washed clean of guilt and blame; none of his characters take what they're doing lightly, least of all Hamlet. None of them act established in a state beyond nature, nor do any of them escape from the evil karma they have wrought for themselves. Horatio sums it up, gazing at the bodies strewn about the stage: - And let me speak to the yet unknowing world How these things came about: so shall you hear Of carnal, bloody, and unnatural acts, Of accidental judgments, casual slaughters, Of deaths put on by cunning and forced cause, And, in this upshot, purposes mistook Fall'n on the inventors' reads. - Not only do Hamlet and his family members suffer their just deserts, but the whole world is going to hear about the terrible things they did. There's nothing wrong with looking for novel interpretations of the classics; but you can't just pick a line or two that suit your fancy and throw out the rest of the text.
[FairfieldLife] Re: hate America?
A fine rant, Edg, I enjoyed it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.projectcensored.org/censored_2008/ Here's the censored stories that BigEvil doesn't want the masses knowing much about. Feste27, the minds that keep this knowledge from the headlines are LIKE YOURS -- except, you know, you're a pissant they'd never deign to have as part of their cabal since you don't have two IQ points to rub together. Wait, I'll take that back. The intellectually challenged deserve our love, but you are a mindful supporter of evil and you're so bad at it that evil too cannot stand you. Yours is the face of the banality of Kali Yuga -- when every manner of oblivious self-serving hideous rationalization is commonplace. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Bag lady, huh? Well, you certainly seem to have a lot of baggage. You almost got through this post without mentioning Hitler, until you stumbled at the last. This reminds me a little of Rudy G., who can't seem to open his mouth without mentioning 9/11. Oh well, I guess we all have our obsessions. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander mailander111@ wrote: If you have no interest in me, why make assumptions about who I am and what I love or hate? I told you the truth. Circumstances are always complex, and I assure you there is no conspiracy against me. When I arrived at the L.A. airport from China, I had a return ticket in my pocket. Homeland Security said, You can go back to China if you want, but if you do, you're never coming back here. When I got to Ff, I asked Congressman Leach if this was legal, and he said that it was, that they could have denied me entry. I checked with an attorney specializing in such matters, and was told that people had been denied entry for no reason. So, I was here with two suitcases, no money, no place to stay, no job, and no job prospects, and a decision to make: Rich woman in China, or bag lady in the U.S. I I had two weeks to make that decision, and went for bag lady. Smart does not necessarily mean money, as Americans seem to be convinced it does. I've never taught at any University, here, in Germany, or in China when my colleagues didn't respect me. I agreed at some point with an article that said American education had hit rock bottom. I said we were all, including me, embedded in it, and I said my Ph.D. wasn't worth what earlier Ph.D. had been worth in terms of academic standards. People got their egos bent over this. When people hear that American education is terrible, even if they agree with that, they always want to talk about it as if it doesn't include them. Absurd. The comparison between Nazi Germany and the U.S. is not absurd, but I'm done talking about it. The extant information allowing that comparison is becoming more and more available in English, but you are not really interested nor willing to listen with an open mind. Not everyone you disagree with is delusional, but wanting to hospitalize those whom you deem so (in your professional opinion), is something Hitler would have agreed with. a feste37 feste37@ wrote: I have no interest in fathoming who you are. But this story, if true, is a nice reversal of the usual onebeing able to make money in China but choosing poverty in America. But dear Angela, if you are so smart, and you are continually telling us that you are, how come you cannot make money in this great land of opportunity? If you are so smart, why are you poor? Some terrible conspiracy against you, perhaps? A refusal by others to recognize your great genius? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander mailander111@ wrote: I find your accusation that I hate America nothing short of astounding--just because I see clearly doesn't mean I hate. I already told you that when I was eighteen I had a choice between wealth and ruling class status in Europe and poverty in America. I chose poverty in America. I had that same choice when I lived with my sister in Europe. And again I chose poverty in America rather than wealth and ruling class status in Europe. When I came back from China, Homeland Security put me through a five-hour interrogation in the presence of armed guards and then gave me a choice: China or America. In China I had a successful research project close to my heart with enormous income potential. In just two years I had become known for it in three big Chinese cities and in the biggest kindergarten chain in China that was based in Taiwan. I had friends I loved. I had status as a respected professional among my colleagues--other Chinese universities were competing with each other to snag me. My students loved me.
[FairfieldLife] Beautiful stories about Maharishi
Someone sent me these: Stories about Maharishi The Shankaracharya's Welcome to Maharishi Jyotir Math, India, 1975 From the tradition of Shri Shankaracharya He is the disciple just like the Master: Destroyer of tamas of the inner Self, King of Rishis, And from the darkness of the people He is the bestower of light. Greatest of the great, greater than greatness, He is indeed the reason for the welfare of the tradition. Bestower of the calmness in the three layers of existence, Incarnation of Yoga, indeed of Shankara, Whose speech is true speech, Whose demeanor is precise, Whose actions are compassionate, Whose fame is compelling, In the world of all men He is the inner Self. The course of His speech is the incarnate form of Indra. the Creator. O Mahesh Yogi, let Your benevolence be extended unto me, Great Rishi, King of Rishis, Rishi of Gods. From the light of the Himalayas to the level of the plains He resides in the midst of Shankaracharya Nagar. Sri Ananda Mayi Ma In 1981 during the Vedic Science course in Delhi, Maharishi sent a large group to the Taj Mahal for a visit. While in Agra, the group heard that the great saint Sri Ananda Mayee Ma was at her place in Vrindavan, which was on the route back to Delhi from Agra. Maharishi enthusiastically said the group should visit her and to take shawls, saris, fruits, garlands, sweets — masses of them — as our gift. The group arrived at twilight and meditated in a group outside her house while waiting for their chance to go up to the roof of the house where she gave darshan. While the group was waiting two giant white birds flew low over her house — the celestial quality of the sight made everyone gasp. Dr. Bevan Morris asked the receptionist to inform Sri Ananda Mayee Ma that we were from Maharishi. But the group had to go up in sections of ten as the space was limited. Dr. Morris went up in the last group, and found that Sri Ananda Mayee Ma was sitting deeply withdrawn not paying attention to the people coming and going, and the pile of cloth, flowers, fruit etc. that had been placed in front of her. At that stage she was very elderly, and near the end of her Earth days. It was immediately obvious to Dr. Morris that she had not been told that this was Maharishi's group. He asked the administrator again to please tell Sri Ananda Mayee Ma that these people were sent by Maharishi to see her. The administrator began to speak to her in Bengali and at the point where he said Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Sri Ananda Mayee Ma suddenly sat bolt upright and folded her palms together, and then started grabbing fruits and flowers and wrapping them up in packages, and giving them to us to deliver to Maharishi. Then she gave a sublime message of devoted greeting and love to convey to Maharishi. The group upon reaching Delhi delivered this message to Maharishi's great joy. * * * On another occasion Maharishi was doing Puja with Sri Ananda Mayee Ma at her place in Haridwar, but finally Maharishi had to go. He told Sri Ananda Mayee Ma, Ma you stay here and continue, and I will go. She seemed to agree and let him go, but after a few moments got up and followed Maharishi out to the car, walking a little behind him with the sweetness of a small child. There was a mala wala — a garland salesman — with a basket full to the brim with marigold garlands on the street there, and Sri Ananda Mayee Ma pointed to him so that her assistant purchased the whole basket. Then Sri Ananda Mayee Ma took the whole basket to where Maharishi was now sitting in the car, and she tipped the whole basket of garlands through the window into his lap. Ananda Mayee Ma is considered the greatest lady saint of modern India, enlightened from a young girl, an expression of Mother Divine. She left the world in 1982. It was her custom to send westerners who visited to Maharishi to learn Transcendental Meditation — for example, Peter Wallace, the brother of Keith. Her devotion to Maharishi shows again that we have grasped very little of the grandeur of Maharishi's personality and status, and his role in the universe. Tat Wala Baba During the Teacher Training Course with Maharishi in the Academy of Meditation Shankaracharya Nagar in Rishikesh at the end of 1969, a course that included many of the greatest luminaries of the Movement, the course participants asked Maharishi if the famous recluse saint Tat Wala Baba could come to visit the course, as had happened in previous courses. Tat Wala Baba was living in a cave about three miles up in the hills behind our Academy. It was his custom to only come out once a day for one hour to let visitors enjoy his darshan. There was a lean-to just below his cave for this purpose. He was a very powerful man, very muscular like a wrestler, with matted hair that fell all the way to the ground. Maharishi said of him that he seemed to be in a good state of Unity Consciousness. Maharishi agreed to invite Tat Wala Baba to come to speak to the course, and sent
[FairfieldLife] Re: new rajas today
What exactly is their task?? They walk around in funny costumes and occasionally talk about raising money for unbounded infinite invincible perfect projects that never happen anyway. And they do a really long program that is the same they've done for 30 yrs. And their egos get boosted when they're in public tm celebrations. I watched some of the coronation today and the whole thing seems to be about the ability to get into a fantasy mental state where you try to talk real slowly for a very long time without saying anything real. If there is anything funnier then goofing on Rajas I haven't found it! Thanks for the laugh man. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: The two Purusha got to be a Raja with universal domain! It really can't get any better than this, can it? Universal domain. For celibates they sure got a big pair on em don't they? I don't see it as a proclamation of their current status, so much as a very public can't-weasel-out-of-it-now statement about their objective. That's some heavy learning they have signed up for. I applaud them for it, costumes and all. Not my trip personally, but yeah I think it takes some sizable cajones to take that on, probably a much bigger task than they realize today. What exactly is their task?? They walk around in funny costumes and occasionally talk about raising money for unbounded infinite invincible perfect projects that never happen anyway. And they do a really long program that is the same they've done for 30 yrs. And their egos get boosted when they're in public tm celebrations. I watched some of the coronation today and the whole thing seems to be about the ability to get into a fantasy mental state where you try to talk real slowly for a very long time without saying anything real.
[FairfieldLife] James Lovelock on Climate Change
The Prophet Of Climate Change: James Lovelock By Jeff Goodell 29 October, 2007 Rollingstone At the age of eighty-eight, after four children and a long and respected career as one of the twentieth century's most influential scientists, James Lovelock has come to an unsettling conclusion: The human race is doomed. I wish I could be more hopeful, he tells me one sunny morning as we walk through a park in Oslo, where he is giving a talk at a university. Lovelock is a small man, unfailingly polite, with white hair and round, owlish glasses. His step is jaunty, his mind lively, his manner anything but gloomy. In fact, the coming of the Four Horsemen -- war, famine, pestilence and death -- seems to perk him up. It will be a dark time, Lovelock admits. But for those who survive, I suspect it will be rather exciting. more... http://www.countercurrents.org/goodell291007.htm
[FairfieldLife] From Judy: Re: 9-11 -- The Inside Job was merely a blip
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 9-11 -- The Inside Job was merely a blip (snip thought police) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's good to look at 9-11 like a mystery movie. It would be like one of those movies were a dirty cop kills some innocent person and an equally corrupt police force covers up for him. In the process private detectives and journalists begin to uncover what really went on. Of course the corrupt police hassles them and try to throw them off as they get too close to the truth. Likewise if 9-11 were an inside job then of course they it would make perfect sense that the perpetrators would use disinformation to throw 9-11 truthers off course. Many of the 9-11 truth people go to great pains to filter out disinformation and incorrect evidence. They're not going to be perfect but neither are the perps. Time will tell. Justifying the 9/11 conspiracy theories by suggesting they're like what's portrayed in the movies is more revealing than you realize. authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Actually, Ari Fleischer, the press secretary, revealed it the next day at a press conference. It was relayed to the Bush folks after Air Force One had taken off, not at the school. And the code name wasn't secret; it had been published numerous times. Whatever. It was around that time. Neither did I say it was a secret code word. No, you didn't, but Tarpley does, and administration shills do as well. On what page of 9/11 Synthetic Terror does Tarpley say that? I don't see it. It's quoted on the 911myths.com site (note that the two paragraphs that follow are quotes from the book): According to Bob Woodward's canonical mainstream account: At about 10:30 AM Cheney reached Bush again on Air Force One, which was still on its way toward Washington. The White House had received a threat saying, 'Angel is next.' Since Angel was the codeword for Air Force One, it could mean that terrorists had inside information ...the Angel is next story contained an explosive potential for the longer term, since by pointing toward the existence of highly-placed moles within the administration who had access to top secret code words and procedures, it threatened to explode the official myth of 9/11 which was then taking shape. Webster Griffin Tarpley 9/11 Synthetic Terror: Made in USA http://www.911myths.com/html/angel_is_next.html Moreover, it turned out to have been a misunderstanding all along, in the chaos after the attacks. The White House has promoted it as an excuse for Air Force One's aimlessness and for Bush not coming back to D.C. right away. So much for your guy's thorough documentation. So you believe the Bush administration? Huh? Do I believe it was a legitimate threat? Did you read what I wrote? Did you read what I wrote? The source on that would have had to be the Bush administration which is known for cover-ups and lies. Right. Now read what I wrote again. Find those WMDs yet? Complete non sequitur. Am I making you a little nervous? No it isn't a non sequitur. It is a joke, obviously. It's a *non sequitur joke*. You've got things very confused in your mind about my position. You make me nervous? Hardly, you're being delusional. That was a joke, Bhairitu. I was referring to your obvious confusion about what I believe. snip Care to share with us just what those debunking sites are (so I can debunk them)? Start with 911myths.com and debunking911.com. They have links to lots of other debunking sites. Some are better than others, of course. I just can't believe you fall for the official story. It's a lot more than just the official story. You don't have to depend on what the government says--or on Popular Mechanics, for that matter-- to figure out that the conspiracy theories are bunk. That is bunk. Conspiracies are a part of history. For some bizarre reason you don't like to admit to them. Never said conspiracies weren't a part of history. I'll admit to plenty of 'em. For some bizarre reason you believe anybody who thinks the 9/11 conspiracy theories are bunk must be unwilling to entertain the idea that there have ever been *any* conspiracies--as if the fact that there have been conspiracies in the past means the 9/11 conspiracy theories must be true. That's so illogical it borders on the irrational. Duh. Even without 9-11 we have the most corrupt government in the history of the nation. If you can't see that then you're part of the problem and obviously taking (to use the Matrix movie analogy) the blue pill. We *do* see that, Bhairitu. We just don't find the conspiracy theories about 9/11 convincing. Who's we? Do you have multiple personality syndrome? :D There are several people on FFL who are skeptical of the conspiracy theories. So you speak for them? There are
[FairfieldLife] Re: When FFL Was Fun...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Remember when FFL was fun? We actually talked about spiritual concerns with an occasional off-topic post. Like a good party with your longtime friends with new interesting people showing up from time to time. Now it has been hijacked by outright paranoid nut jobs with self-righteous egos the size of Montana. Ah, those were the days! __ Au contraire, vive le rant! http://www.slate.com/id/2176968/
[FairfieldLife] Vyaasa, Shuka and naked chicks
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Re: [FairfieldLife] From Judy (Re: Is Flaming Evil not allowed here? )
You do not have my interpretation of Hamlet, only a very short snippet. No judgment as the quality of the whole can be based on that. a Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Edg, thanks, I'm going to take you up on this, just for the hell of it--although you may want to withdraw the offer on the basis of the following reply. Judy Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is Flaming Evil not allowed here? (9-11 -- The Inside Job ) I can't let stand the twisting of my favorite play to promote a nutcase agenda. Angela wrote: When the ghost of Hamlet's father tells him that it is necessary to re-establish order in the state of Denmark, and that to do so Hamlet must kill a relative (synecdoche for all our fellow humans), he also says that he doesn't care how Hamlet does it, the important thing is 1) Taint not your mind and 2) leave your mom (symbolic for Nature) out of it. Even when rulers accomplish that state of consciousness in which they do not incur evil karma (tainted mind) and when they act established in a state beyond nature, it still tends to be a universal truth that Uneasy lies the crowned head. Nice summary of Peter Brook's interpretation of Hamlet, except that he and you are mistaken about the quote. Here it is, in full: - But, howsoever thou pursuest this act, Taint not thy mind, nor let thy soul contrive Against thy mother aught: leave her to heaven And to those thorns that in her bosom lodge, To prick and sting her. - Taint not thy mind is not an isolated command; it goes with the rest of the sentence: nor let thy soul contrive against thy mother aught. Hamlet is neither to taint his mind against his mother, nor is he to let his soul contrive anything against her. Heaven and her own conscience will mete out her punishment. Note the dualism of mind and soul here. Note also that Hamlet is told to kill his uncle because his uncle has murdered his own brother, Hamlet's father (the Ghost), in order to gain the throne of Denmark and marry Hamlet's father's widow, Hamlet's mother. So it isn't just to reestablish order in the kingdom of Denmark, it's to right a grievous wrong within a family, to revenge a fratricide and the sanctification of the murderer's adultery with his murdered brother's wife. Note further that at first Hamlet accepts the Ghost's demands enthusiastically: - Yea, from the table of my memory I'll wipe away all trivial fond records, All saws of books, all forms, all pressures past, That youth and observation copied there; And thy commandment all alone shall live Within the book and volume of my brain, Unmix'd with baser matter: yes, by heaven! - This might fit with Brook's interpretation, if it weren't for the fact that Hamlet proceeds for most of the rest of the play to agonize over whether killing his uncle is the right thing to do; he's almost driven to suicide by the conflict, but fears what he'll encounter after death too much to actually take his own life. He agonizes as well over his mother's perfidy, at one point berating her so brutally that the Ghost has to make another appearance to get him back on track. And finally, Hamlet *dies* in the end, along with both his uncle and his mother (and sundry other characters along the way). It isn't as if Shakespeare is putting the bloodletting on some exalted transcendental plane washed clean of guilt and blame; none of his characters take what they're doing lightly, least of all Hamlet. None of them act established in a state beyond nature, nor do any of them escape from the evil karma they have wrought for themselves. Horatio sums it up, gazing at the bodies strewn about the stage: - And let me speak to the yet unknowing world How these things came about: so shall you hear Of carnal, bloody, and unnatural acts, Of accidental judgments, casual slaughters, Of deaths put on by cunning and forced cause, And, in this upshot, purposes mistook Fall'n on the inventors' reads. - Not only do Hamlet and his family members suffer their just deserts, but the whole world is going to hear about the terrible things they did. There's nothing wrong with looking for novel interpretations of the classics; but you can't just pick a line or two that suit your fancy and throw out the rest of the text. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] Question for Cardemeister
A friend wants to know: Do you have a copy of the 10th Mandala? I'm looking for a hymn that describes creation there, how from nothing came something that one unbreathed upon breathed of his own strength or something like that. Is there anyway you could help me locate that hymn? No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.12/1098 - Release Date: 10/29/2007 9:28 AM
Re: [FairfieldLife] From Judy: Re: 9-11 -- The Inside Job was merely a blip
Duveyoung wrote: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 9-11 -- The Inside Job was merely a blip (snip thought police) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's good to look at 9-11 like a mystery movie. It would be like one of those movies were a dirty cop kills some innocent person and an equally corrupt police force covers up for him. In the process private detectives and journalists begin to uncover what really went on. Of course the corrupt police hassles them and try to throw them off as they get too close to the truth. Likewise if 9-11 were an inside job then of course they it would make perfect sense that the perpetrators would use disinformation to throw 9-11 truthers off course. Many of the 9-11 truth people go to great pains to filter out disinformation and incorrect evidence. They're not going to be perfect but neither are the perps. Time will tell. Justifying the 9/11 conspiracy theories by suggesting they're like what's portrayed in the movies is more revealing than you realize. The movie example (as you should well know) is used as an illustration of a cover-up. We've had a number of cover-ups exposed during our lifetime. Why would 9-11 be any different? That is unless you actually believe that 19 terrorists armed with box cutters pulled the thing off. authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Actually, Ari Fleischer, the press secretary, revealed it the next day at a press conference. It was relayed to the Bush folks after Air Force One had taken off, not at the school. And the code name wasn't secret; it had been published numerous times. Whatever. It was around that time. Neither did I say it was a secret code word. No, you didn't, but Tarpley does, and administration shills do as well. On what page of 9/11 Synthetic Terror does Tarpley say that? I don't see it. It's quoted on the 911myths.com site (note that the two paragraphs that follow are quotes from the book): According to Bob Woodward's canonical mainstream account: At about 10:30 AM Cheney reached Bush again on Air Force One, which was still on its way toward Washington. The White House had received a threat saying, 'Angel is next.' Since Angel was the codeword for Air Force One, it could mean that terrorists had inside information ...the Angel is next story contained an explosive potential for the longer term, since by pointing toward the existence of highly-placed moles within the administration who had access to top secret code words and procedures, it threatened to explode the official myth of 9/11 which was then taking shape. Webster Griffin Tarpley 9/11 Synthetic Terror: Made in USA http://www.911myths.com/html/angel_is_next.html Those are the pages I checked earlier right out of the book BUT it doesn't say anything there that specifically Angel was a secret codeword. The top secret code words and procedures would refer to the ones that allowed them to communicate the message. Moreover, it turned out to have been a misunderstanding all along, in the chaos after the attacks. The White House has promoted it as an excuse for Air Force One's aimlessness and for Bush not coming back to D.C. right away. So much for your guy's thorough documentation. So you believe the Bush administration? Huh? Do I believe it was a legitimate threat? Did you read what I wrote? Did you read what I wrote? The source on that would have had to be the Bush administration which is known for cover-ups and lies. Right. Now read what I wrote again. Find those WMDs yet? Complete non sequitur. Am I making you a little nervous? No it isn't a non sequitur. It is a joke, obviously. It's a *non sequitur joke*. You've got things very confused in your mind about my position. ROTFL! Position? Tap dancing would be more like it. You make me nervous? Hardly, you're being delusional. That was a joke, Bhairitu. I was referring to your obvious confusion about what I believe. snip Care to share with us just what those debunking sites are (so I can debunk them)? Start with 911myths.com and debunking911.com. They have links to lots of other debunking sites. Some are better than others, of course. So why should be believe them any more than we should believe the 911 truth sites? I just can't believe you fall for the official story. It's a lot more than just the official story. You don't have to depend on what the government says--or on Popular Mechanics, for that matter-- to figure out that the conspiracy theories are bunk. That is bunk. Conspiracies are a part of history. For some bizarre reason you don't like to admit to them. Never said conspiracies weren't a part of history.
[FairfieldLife] From Judy (Re: The inability to tell opinion from preaching)
Re: The inability to tell opinion from preaching --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: I got some chuckles out of that. So what is it about FFL? Most of us have a TM background. Is it that there's little emphasis in the TMO on becoming a nicer person, as there is in Buddhist circles and some other spiritual groups? In fact, egotism is intentionally cultured, with crowns, titles, and a pecking order determined by net worth. Not to mention being the best and the highest path. I remember a political cartoon illustrating the Reagan end run in which thoughts would bypass that part of his brain which, in most of us, edits and sometimes censors the nonsense thoughts that might otherwise come out of our mouths. It seems that some here suffer from the same syndrome. If they're in a rage, or feeling nasty toward someone, they somehow feel justified in venting it, and there's no indication of any introspection causing them to pause and consider the consequences or even the legitimacy of their perspective. Rick, I'll tell you *one* of the sources of conflict on FFL: It's the kind of wild generalizations you make above. I was thinking more along the lines of, If you think that you know enough to write a book, or to preach to someone else about how they should live their lives, you can't join until you get over it. Rick, In all honesty I think that subsequent followups to this exchange answered some of the questions you pose above. You stated an opinion. I stated one in reply. One person saw that exchange of two opinions as preaching to her about how she should live her life. Obviously not. Barry was (a) preaching to people who wanted to join FFL about how they should live their lives in order to be approved for membership, and (b) preaching to Rick about how he should live his life in terms of approving people to join FFL. I'm not Rick, and I'm already a member of FFL, so clearly it wouldn't occur to me to think Barry's preaching in this instance was directed at me. Not that he hasn't preached to me about how I (and many others) should live their lives innumerable times; as I said earlier, it's his stock in trade here. snip As a real followup to the questions you posed in your original post, I think that part of the reason that FFL degenerates into argumentation and noise is that so many people were systematically *taught* to react to any opinion that is different than their opinion *as if* it is some kind of attack. That's the whole rationale behind being Off The Program, that these people who have chosen to believe something improper or wrong are doing HARM to the faithful True Believers by holding these erroneous opinions. They must be *stopped* from holding them, and if they *can't* be stopped, they must be Sent Away, where they cannot infect the True Believers with their heresies. Why is there so much argumentation on TM forums? Because TMers have been *taught* to argue for the supremacy and correctness of the TM dogma, and to actively *suppress* any opinion that deviates from the TM dogma. Sorry, but this is just nuts. I was never taught anything of the kind. Maybe Barry was, or maybe he just imagines he was. Maybe it's Barry who thinks that anytime somebody disagrees with him, it's an attack. But maybe that's because so much of what *he* posts is attacks-- like the above--so that's what he expects to get back.
Re: [FairfieldLife] From Judy: Re: 9-11 -- The Inside Job was merely a blip
Bhairitu, I've got the impression that this group is not really interested in an honest exchange of ideas, but, rather, in finding ways to shoot one another down with more or less venom. It doesn't matter how good your logic or your evidence is, it simply will not be received in the spirit of honest inquiry. I'm not accusing you and have not seen you do this---I'm only noting a general impression. Also, the shooting down is usually not at any major point in an argument, but some side issue---I'd call it a special instance of the Texas sharp shooter's fallacy in which the shooter sprays bullets at the side of a barn and then goes and draws a target around the places where the bullets have hit. Of course, he's on target every time in his own mind. Is this your impression also? Or am I totally wrong? a Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Duveyoung wrote: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 9-11 -- The Inside Job was merely a blip (snip thought police) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's good to look at 9-11 like a mystery movie. It would be like one of those movies were a dirty cop kills some innocent person and an equally corrupt police force covers up for him. In the process private detectives and journalists begin to uncover what really went on. Of course the corrupt police hassles them and try to throw them off as they get too close to the truth. Likewise if 9-11 were an inside job then of course they it would make perfect sense that the perpetrators would use disinformation to throw 9-11 truthers off course. Many of the 9-11 truth people go to great pains to filter out disinformation and incorrect evidence. They're not going to be perfect but neither are the perps. Time will tell. Justifying the 9/11 conspiracy theories by suggesting they're like what's portrayed in the movies is more revealing than you realize. The movie example (as you should well know) is used as an illustration of a cover-up. We've had a number of cover-ups exposed during our lifetime. Why would 9-11 be any different? That is unless you actually believe that 19 terrorists armed with box cutters pulled the thing off. authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Actually, Ari Fleischer, the press secretary, revealed it the next day at a press conference. It was relayed to the Bush folks after Air Force One had taken off, not at the school. And the code name wasn't secret; it had been published numerous times. Whatever. It was around that time. Neither did I say it was a secret code word. No, you didn't, but Tarpley does, and administration shills do as well. On what page of 9/11 Synthetic Terror does Tarpley say that? I don't see it. It's quoted on the 911myths.com site (note that the two paragraphs that follow are quotes from the book): According to Bob Woodward's canonical mainstream account: At about 10:30 AM Cheney reached Bush again on Air Force One, which was still on its way toward Washington. The White House had received a threat saying, 'Angel is next.' Since Angel was the codeword for Air Force One, it could mean that terrorists had inside information ...the Angel is next story contained an explosive potential for the longer term, since by pointing toward the existence of highly-placed moles within the administration who had access to top secret code words and procedures, it threatened to explode the official myth of 9/11 which was then taking shape. Webster Griffin Tarpley 9/11 Synthetic Terror: Made in USA http://www.911myths.com/html/angel_is_next.html Those are the pages I checked earlier right out of the book BUT it doesn't say anything there that specifically Angel was a secret codeword. The top secret code words and procedures would refer to the ones that allowed them to communicate the message. Moreover, it turned out to have been a misunderstanding all along, in the chaos after the attacks. The White House has promoted it as an excuse for Air Force One's aimlessness and for Bush not coming back to D.C. right away. So much for your guy's thorough documentation. So you believe the Bush administration? Huh? Do I believe it was a legitimate threat? Did you read what I wrote? Did you read what I wrote? The source on that would have had to be the Bush administration which is known for cover-ups and lies. Right. Now read what I wrote again. Find those WMDs yet? Complete non sequitur. Am I making you a little nervous? No it isn't a non sequitur. It is a joke, obviously. It's a *non sequitur joke*. You've got things very confused in your mind about my
[FairfieldLife] Re: Will Bush really bomb Iran?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: jstein wrote: Nobody loathes Chris Matthews more than I do. He's always had a man-crush on Bush for some unfathomable reason, but he was, in fact, outspoken against the Iraq war from the beginning, one of the very few broadcasters who were. I'd be flabbergasted if he supported a war now with Iran. So, you agree with Matthews that we are in a war. I meant to say, that Matthews was saying that we were going to war. Most Americans agree with him, by the Zogby poll today. I suppost Chris Matthews was putting that out, To get people in Congress to debate the issue... Because Bush seems to feel he has the power alone, To make that decision. The numbers revealed in the Zogby poll today, Are similar to the numbers on the months preceding the invasion of Iraq. Americans do not seem to be pacifist, at all; Even after the disaster in Iraq. r.g.
[FairfieldLife] Re: new rajas today
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: The two Purusha got to be a Raja with universal domain! It really can't get any better than this, can it? Universal domain. For celibates they sure got a big pair on em don't they? I don't see it as a proclamation of their current status, so much as a very public can't-weasel-out-of-it-now statement about their objective. That's some heavy learning they have signed up for. I applaud them for it, costumes and all. Not my trip personally, but yeah I think it takes some sizable cajones to take that on, probably a much bigger task than they realize today. What exactly is their task?? They walk around in funny costumes and occasionally talk about raising money for unbounded infinite invincible perfect projects that never happen anyway. And they do a really long program that is the same they've done for 30 yrs. And their egos get boosted when they're in public tm celebrations. I watched some of the coronation today and the whole thing seems to be about the ability to get into a fantasy mental state where you try to talk real slowly for a very long time without saying anything real. Maybe that's it-- that they learn to discern moodmaking and BSing themselves from the grounded reality of a universal domain-- might be pretty humbling, in this life, or next. Quite an austerity is what it looks like to me.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Beautiful stories about Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Someone sent me these: Stories about Maharishi The Shankaracharya's Welcome to Maharishi Jyotir Math, India, 1975 From the tradition of Shri Shankaracharya He is the disciple just like the Master: Destroyer of tamas of the inner Self, King of Rishis, And from the darkness of the people He is the bestower of light. Greatest of the great, greater than greatness, He is indeed the reason for the welfare of the tradition. Bestower of the calmness in the three layers of existence, Incarnation of Yoga, indeed of Shankara, Whose speech is true speech, Whose demeanor is precise, Whose actions are compassionate, Whose fame is compelling, In the world of all men He is the inner Self. The course of His speech is the incarnate form of Indra. the Creator. O Mahesh Yogi, let Your benevolence be extended unto me, Great Rishi, King of Rishis, Rishi of Gods. From the light of the Himalayas to the level of the plains He resides in the midst of Shankaracharya Nagar. Sri Ananda Mayi Ma In 1981 during the Vedic Science course in Delhi, Maharishi sent a large group to the Taj Mahal for a visit. While in Agra, the group heard that the great saint Sri Ananda Mayee Ma was at her place in Vrindavan, which was on the route back to Delhi from Agra. Maharishi enthusiastically said the group should visit her and to take shawls, saris, fruits, garlands, sweets masses of them as our gift. The group arrived at twilight and meditated in a group outside her house while waiting for their chance to go up to the roof of the house where she gave darshan. While the group was waiting two giant white birds flew low over her house the celestial quality of the sight made everyone gasp. Dr. Bevan Morris asked the receptionist to inform Sri Ananda Mayee Ma that we were from Maharishi. But the group had to go up in sections of ten as the space was limited. Dr. Morris went up in the last group, and found that Sri Ananda Mayee Ma was sitting deeply withdrawn not paying attention to the people coming and going, and the pile of cloth, flowers, fruit etc. that had been placed in front of her. At that stage she was very elderly, and near the end of her Earth days. It was immediately obvious to Dr. Morris that she had not been told that this was Maharishi's group. He asked the administrator again to please tell Sri Ananda Mayee Ma that these people were sent by Maharishi to see her. The administrator began to speak to her in Bengali and at the point where he said Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Sri Ananda Mayee Ma suddenly sat bolt upright and folded her palms together, and then started grabbing fruits and flowers and wrapping them up in packages, and giving them to us to deliver to Maharishi. Then she gave a sublime message of devoted greeting and love to convey to Maharishi. The group upon reaching Delhi delivered this message to Maharishi's great joy. * * * On another occasion Maharishi was doing Puja with Sri Ananda Mayee Ma at her place in Haridwar, but finally Maharishi had to go. He told Sri Ananda Mayee Ma, Ma you stay here and continue, and I will go. She seemed to agree and let him go, but after a few moments got up and followed Maharishi out to the car, walking a little behind him with the sweetness of a small child. There was a mala wala a garland salesman with a basket full to the brim with marigold garlands on the street there, and Sri Ananda Mayee Ma pointed to him so that her assistant purchased the whole basket. Then Sri Ananda Mayee Ma took the whole basket to where Maharishi was now sitting in the car, and she tipped the whole basket of garlands through the window into his lap. Ananda Mayee Ma is considered the greatest lady saint of modern India, enlightened from a young girl, an expression of Mother Divine. She left the world in 1982. It was her custom to send westerners who visited to Maharishi to learn Transcendental Meditation for example, Peter Wallace, the brother of Keith. Her devotion to Maharishi shows again that we have grasped very little of the grandeur of Maharishi's personality and status, and his role in the universe. Tat Wala Baba During the Teacher Training Course with Maharishi in the Academy of Meditation Shankaracharya Nagar in Rishikesh at the end of 1969, a course that included many of the greatest luminaries of the Movement, the course participants asked Maharishi if the famous recluse saint Tat Wala Baba could come to visit the course, as had happened in previous courses. Tat Wala Baba was living in a cave about three miles up in the hills behind our Academy. It was his custom to only come out once a day for one hour to let visitors enjoy his darshan. There was a lean-to just below his cave for this purpose. He was a very powerful man, very muscular like a wrestler,
Re: [FairfieldLife] Question for Cardemeister
On Oct 30, 2007, at 6:07 PM, Rick Archer wrote: A friend wants to know: Do you have a copy of the 10th Mandala? I'm looking for a hymn that describes creation there, how from nothing came something that one unbreathed upon breathed of his own strength or something like that. Is there anyway you could help me locate that hymn? I apologize for interjecting your direct question, but this is a favorite of mine. Years ago, I corresponded briefly with Jean Le Mee, then a prof. at Cooper Union in NYC. It's one of those verses, esp. in the original Sanskrit, that you could read every day, for a lifetime. Here's what he says--and what inspired me to call him in the first place, his translation of the Nasadiya Sukta, the Hymn of Creation, the connection between later advaita vedanta and an imagined Vedic pedigree (RV X.129): Perhaps no other Vedic hymn equals in depth and majesty this famous Hymn of Creation known to tradition as the Nasadiya Sukta, from its opening words. Its seer, Prajäpati Parameshthin, Supreme Lord of Creatures, chants in the triplepraise meter his knowledge and his wonder as he recalls his vision and in these seven immortal mantras seven like the days of creation plants the seeds of Vedic metaphysics and mathematics. For this hymn, besides being a cosmogony, is also a beautiful meditation on the properties of numbers from one to nine and zero. As the Vedanta philosophy was to develop it later in great detail, and as other traditions also record, the process of creation can be seen as ninefold, each step, each state of consciousness, being characterized by the properties of a particular number. Thus, creation begins in the Absolute, the one without a second, where neither nonbeing nor being was as yet. Then duality creeps in, darkness conceals darkness. And so it all begins. In the fifth stanza is a brilliant example of the mathematical and structural symbolism alluded to in the introduction. The vertical and crosswise directions indicated give in words the substance of a sutra yielding a general and elegant method of multiplication and division while keeping the orders separate the very mechanism of creation itself. It reveals the inner properties of five, the number for man, but also for the manifestation of creation in the major traditions. Was it not on the fifth day that, according to Genesis, God created great whales ... and blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply. . .? Pure coincidence? Hardly, when we know with what care the Vedic poets con structed their hymns. And then, what of this other coincidence that we find with Dante's Paradiso In virtually the same words as Prajapati Parameshthin, the Prince of Poets sings: Order was created and together with it Were woven the substances; Those formed the summit of the world In which pure act was produced. Pure potency held the lowest place, In the midst, potency twisted such a mighty bond With act, as shall never be severed. That line, that ray of glory that the wise stretched between the Will on high and the Potency beneath, that mighty bond, scales all the states of being, uniting in its reach the whole creation. Yet, from where does it all spring? Who truly knows? Jean Le Mée Hymns From the Rig-Veda. If you guys like I can post the translation. It's quite beautiful. The earlier work I understand, has been re-issued. -Vaj
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: new rajas today
Let's do the math together, group. Six new rajas, at a million dollars a pop. An estimated $50,000 (in the latest begging press release) to buy winter clothes. H...let's see... how much would that leave for the TM movement if they paid for the clothes themselves? 5,950,000 dollars What about wire transfer fees to accept the money? What about the party to celebrate another successful bilking? Cake with candles to light the light of invincibility and ice cream and such? Could be another few hundred euros to knock off your figures, Turq. --- TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Six new rajas are being crowned today - names below. Ceremony is being broadcast now at maharishi channel #3 at mou.org I'm told that you no longer need to attend a course to become a raja - just wire in the million dollars. I'm amazed at how many people have given a million so far - it's well over 120 by my count. And the people of Fairfield have to raise money to buy the pundits some winter clothes. Yeah, *that's* sure the Age Of Enlightenment most of us had in mind when we first heard the phrase. :-) Let's do the math together, group. Six new rajas, at a million dollars a pop. An estimated $50,000 (in the latest begging press release) to buy winter clothes. H...let's see... how much would that leave for the TM movement if they paid for the clothes themselves? 5,950,000 dollars. As opposed to 5,975,000 dollars given their plan to have the people of Fairfield provide $25K in matching funds. As an example of where an organization's priorities lie, I think this little math exercise speaks volumes. Then again (trying for balance here, and to provide the Deva's advocate argument), we're probably not aware of all the *other* expenses that the TMO has to pay for the upkeep of the pundits. It's possible that they blew the whole 5,975,000 bucks already on barbed wire to keep the pundits in their compounds. :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] new rajas today
I know only one of them, because he's from my area. , Believe it or not, he has a Harvard law degree. You come in here with a skullful of mush...I train your mind. What would be the TMO version of this line? --- Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 30, 2007, at 11:00 AM, boo_lives wrote: Six new rajas are being crowned today - names below. Ceremony is being broadcast now at maharishi channel #3 at mou.org It must be symbolic of something that only one of the names mentioned, John Fagan, is even familiar. They've got a whole new crop to work with now it seems. I'm told that you no longer need to attend a course to become a raja - just wire in the million dollars. I'm amazed at how many people have given a million so far - it's well over 120 by my count. PT Barnum reigns supreme in this crowd, just when you think it can't get any loonier. Sal __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: new rajas today
It's all where your good karma take you, curtis. Their good karma got them money, but not fast techniques for awakening. My good karma got me fast techniques for awakening, but not money. Funny, in all my travels and 33 years of spiritual techniques and great good fortune to have had the divine send some of the most amazingly fast spiritual techniques my away, I have yet to come across a single person who had both. It's money or it's awakening, one or the other. --- curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What exactly is their task?? They walk around in funny costumes and occasionally talk about raising money for unbounded infinite invincible perfect projects that never happen anyway. And they do a really long program that is the same they've done for 30 yrs. And their egos get boosted when they're in public tm celebrations. I watched some of the coronation today and the whole thing seems to be about the ability to get into a fantasy mental state where you try to talk real slowly for a very long time without saying anything real. If there is anything funnier then goofing on Rajas I haven't found it! Thanks for the laugh man. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: The two Purusha got to be a Raja with universal domain! It really can't get any better than this, can it? Universal domain. For celibates they sure got a big pair on em don't they? I don't see it as a proclamation of their current status, so much as a very public can't-weasel-out-of-it-now statement about their objective. That's some heavy learning they have signed up for. I applaud them for it, costumes and all. Not my trip personally, but yeah I think it takes some sizable cajones to take that on, probably a much bigger task than they realize today. What exactly is their task?? They walk around in funny costumes and occasionally talk about raising money for unbounded infinite invincible perfect projects that never happen anyway. And they do a really long program that is the same they've done for 30 yrs. And their egos get boosted when they're in public tm celebrations. I watched some of the coronation today and the whole thing seems to be about the ability to get into a fantasy mental state where you try to talk real slowly for a very long time without saying anything real. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: new rajas today
Curtis, wouldn't it be fun to get a few beers in 'em and then ask, What the f*ck, dude, just what the f*ck? --- curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What exactly is their task?? They walk around in funny costumes and occasionally talk about raising money for unbounded infinite invincible perfect projects that never happen anyway. And they do a really long program that is the same they've done for 30 yrs. And their egos get boosted when they're in public tm celebrations. I watched some of the coronation today and the whole thing seems to be about the ability to get into a fantasy mental state where you try to talk real slowly for a very long time without saying anything real. If there is anything funnier then goofing on Rajas I haven't found it! Thanks for the laugh man. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: The two Purusha got to be a Raja with universal domain! It really can't get any better than this, can it? Universal domain. For celibates they sure got a big pair on em don't they? I don't see it as a proclamation of their current status, so much as a very public can't-weasel-out-of-it-now statement about their objective. That's some heavy learning they have signed up for. I applaud them for it, costumes and all. Not my trip personally, but yeah I think it takes some sizable cajones to take that on, probably a much bigger task than they realize today. What exactly is their task?? They walk around in funny costumes and occasionally talk about raising money for unbounded infinite invincible perfect projects that never happen anyway. And they do a really long program that is the same they've done for 30 yrs. And their egos get boosted when they're in public tm celebrations. I watched some of the coronation today and the whole thing seems to be about the ability to get into a fantasy mental state where you try to talk real slowly for a very long time without saying anything real. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Question for Cardemeister
If you guys find this hymn, please let me know. It's my favorite, and the pages where it should be are missing from my copy of the tenth mandala. a Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 30, 2007, at 6:07 PM, Rick Archer wrote: A friend wants to know: Do you have a copy of the 10th Mandala? I'm looking for a hymn that describes creation there, how from nothing came something that one unbreathed upon breathed of his own strength or something like that. Is there anyway you could help me locate that hymn? I apologize for interjecting your direct question, but this is a favorite of mine. Years ago, I corresponded briefly with Jean Le Mee, then a prof. at Cooper Union in NYC. It's one of those verses, esp. in the original Sanskrit, that you could read every day, for a lifetime. Here's what he says--and what inspired me to call him in the first place, his translation of the Nasadiya Sukta, the Hymn of Creation, the connection between later advaita vedanta and an imagined Vedic pedigree (RV X.129): Perhaps no other Vedic hymn equals in depth and majesty this famous Hymn of Creation known to tradition as the Nasadiya Sukta, from its opening words. Its seer, Prajäpati Parameshthin, Supreme Lord of Creatures, chants in the triplepraise meter his knowledge and his wonder as he recalls his vision and in these seven immortal mantras seven like the days of creation plants the seeds of Vedic metaphysics and mathematics. For this hymn, besides being a cosmogony, is also a beautiful meditation on the properties of numbers from one to nine and zero. As the Vedanta philosophy was to develop it later in great detail, and as other traditions also record, the process of creation can be seen as ninefold, each step, each state of consciousness, being characterized by the properties of a particular number. Thus, creation begins in the Absolute, the one without a second, where neither nonbeing nor being was as yet. Then duality creeps in, darkness conceals darkness. And so it all begins. In the fifth stanza is a brilliant example of the mathematical and structural symbolism alluded to in the introduction. The vertical and crosswise directions indicated give in words the substance of a sutra yielding a general and elegant method of multiplication and division while keeping the orders separate the very mechanism of creation itself. It reveals the inner properties of five, the number for man, but also for the manifestation of creation in the major traditions. Was it not on the fifth day that, according to Genesis, God created great whales ... and blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply. . .? Pure coincidence? Hardly, when we know with what care the Vedic poets con structed their hymns. And then, what of this other coincidence that we find with Dante's Paradiso In virtually the same words as Prajapati Parameshthin, the Prince of Poets sings: Order was created and together with it Were woven the substances; Those formed the summit of the world In which pure act was produced. Pure potency held the lowest place, In the midst, potency twisted such a mighty bond With act, as shall never be severed. That line, that ray of glory that the wise stretched between the Will on high and the Potency beneath, that mighty bond, scales all the states of being, uniting in its reach the whole creation. Yet, from where does it all spring? Who truly knows? Jean Le Mée Hymns From the Rig-Veda. If you guys like I can post the translation. It's quite beautiful. The earlier work I understand, has been re-issued. -Vaj Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
RE: [FairfieldLife] From Margi Gunn
--- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 8:03 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] From Margi Gunn I knew Dick Gunn for years. He took over the TM activities in Fairfield County Connecticut after Rick Archer. He was quite a character. He became a chiropractor years ago. RIP Dick. I feel ya right now! Ha! He died of an aneurism at a family gathering with his brother-in-law Tom Duffy in New Hampshire. Rick, could you side mail me Margi's email address. Thanks, Peter No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.12/1098 - Release Date: 10/29/2007 9:28 AM __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: new rajas today
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Curtis, wouldn't it be fun to get a few beers in 'em and then ask, What the f*ck, dude, just what the f*ck? Or we could just ditch the stiffs and find a joint with a couple of poles enthusiastically graced by America's finest. I think we both already know too much about the pompous bullshittery going on under those golden space caps. I would much rather spend some time in the Champagne room with a chick with a luxury car's name and a fist full of 20s! But back to your idea, I imagine we would have to get them into a few rounds of shots before they would look us in the eye and admit, Yeah man, I'm sorry, I just got carried away with myself and I now look like a total tool! --- curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What exactly is their task?? They walk around in funny costumes and occasionally talk about raising money for unbounded infinite invincible perfect projects that never happen anyway. And they do a really long program that is the same they've done for 30 yrs. And their egos get boosted when they're in public tm celebrations. I watched some of the coronation today and the whole thing seems to be about the ability to get into a fantasy mental state where you try to talk real slowly for a very long time without saying anything real. If there is anything funnier then goofing on Rajas I haven't found it! Thanks for the laugh man. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives boo_lives@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: The two Purusha got to be a Raja with universal domain! It really can't get any better than this, can it? Universal domain. For celibates they sure got a big pair on em don't they? I don't see it as a proclamation of their current status, so much as a very public can't-weasel-out-of-it-now statement about their objective. That's some heavy learning they have signed up for. I applaud them for it, costumes and all. Not my trip personally, but yeah I think it takes some sizable cajones to take that on, probably a much bigger task than they realize today. What exactly is their task?? They walk around in funny costumes and occasionally talk about raising money for unbounded infinite invincible perfect projects that never happen anyway. And they do a really long program that is the same they've done for 30 yrs. And their egos get boosted when they're in public tm celebrations. I watched some of the coronation today and the whole thing seems to be about the ability to get into a fantasy mental state where you try to talk real slowly for a very long time without saying anything real. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Zogby: Majority Favor Strikes on Iran '
Proof that Americans have lost their minds, if not their souls. Robert wrote: Zogby: Majority Favor Strikes on Iran Monday, October 29, 2007 9:47 PM A majority of likely voters - 52 percent - would support a U.S. military strike to prevent Iran from building a nuclear weapon, and 53 percent believe it is likely that the U.S. will be involved in a military strike against Iran before the next presidential election, a new Zogby America telephone poll shows. The survey results come at a time of increasing U.S. scrutiny of Iran. According to reports from the Associated Press, earlier this month Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice accused Iran of lying about the aim of its nuclear program and Vice President Dick Cheney has raised the prospect of serious consequences if the U.S. were to discover Iran was attempting to devolop a nuclear weapon. Last week, the Bush administration also announced new sanctions against Iran. Democrats (63 percent) are most likely to believe a U.S. military strike against Iran could take place in the relatively near future, but independents (51 percent) and Republicans (44 percent) are less likely to agree. Republicans, however, are much more likely to be supportive of a strike (71 percent), than Democrats (41 percent) or independents (44 percent). Younger likely voters are more likely than those who are older to say a strike is likely to happen before the election and women (58 percent) are more likely than men (48 percent) to say the same – but there is little difference in support for a U.S. strike against Iran among these groups. When asked which presidential candidate would be best equipped to deal with Iran – regardless of whether or not they expected the U.S. to attack Iran – 21 percent would most like to see New York U.S. Sen. Hillary Clinton leading the country, while 15 percent would prefer former New York mayor Rudy Giuliani and 14 percent would want Arizona U.S. Sen. John McCain in charge. Another 10 percent said Illinois Sen. Barack Obama would be best equipped to deal with Iran, while Republican Fred Thompson (5 percent), Democrat John Edwards (4 percent) and Republican Mitt Romney (3 percent) were less likely to be viewed as the best leaders to help the U.S. deal with Iran. The telephone poll of 1,028 likely voters nationwide was conducted Oct. 24-27, 2007 and carries a margin of error of +/- 3.1 percentage points. Clinton leads strongly among Democrats on the issue, with 35 percent saying she is best equipped to deal with Iran, while 17 percent would prefer Obama and 7 percent view John Edwards as the best choice. Giuliani is the top choice of Republicans (28 percent), followed by McCain (21 percent) and Fred Thompson (9 percent). One in five independents chose Clinton (21 percent) over McCain (16 percent) and Giuliani (11 percent). Clinton was the top choice among women (24 percent), while 14 percent would be more confident with Giuliani in the White House and 11 percent would prefer McCain. Men slightly prefer McCain (18 percent) to Clinton (17 percent) on this issue, while 15 percent said Giuliani is best equipped to deal with Iran. The survey also shows there is a significant amount of uncertainty if any of the long list of declared candidates would be best equipped to deal the Iran – 19 percent overall said they weren’t sure which candidate to choose. There is considerable division about when a strike on Iran should take place – if at all. Twenty-eight percent believe the U.S. should wait to strike until after the next president is in office while 23 percent would favor a strike before the end of President Bush’s term. Another 29 percent said the U.S. should not attack Iran, and 20 percent were unsure. The view that Iran should not be attacked by the U.S. is strongest among Democrats (37 percent) and independents, but fewer than half as many Republicans (15 percent) feel the same. But Republicans are also more likely to be uncertain on the issue (28 percent). As the possibility the U.S. my strike Iran captures headlines around the world, many have given thought to the possibility of an attack at home. Two in three (68 percent) believe it is likely that the U.S. will suffer another significant terrorist attack on U.S. soil comparable to the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001 – of those, 27 percent believe such an attack is very likely. Nearly one in three (31 percent) believe the next significant attack will occur between one and three years from now, 22 percent said they believe the next attack is between three and five years away, and 15 percent said they don’t think the U.S. will be attacked on U.S. soil for at least five years or longer. Just 9 percent believe a significant terrorist attack will take place in the U.S. before the next presidential election. © 2007 All Rights Reserved.
Re: [FairfieldLife] From Judy: Re: 9-11 -- The Inside Job was merely a blip
It depends on the individual. There are plenty of people subscribed here who will engage in an honest exchange of ideas but they may not be posting at the moment. I think a number of people were also turned off by a posting limit and haven't been back since. And then there is that bunch who want to engage in arm wrestling. I've always taken it as a sign of insecurity. I also find this on some tech forums I'm on as people want to advertise their expertise even if it is only the armchair variety. And then because of search engines exactitude has become a disease on the web. Some people want your facts to be exactly right on with no causal or off the top of your head information permitted. That is a little insane I think and can make communication tedious. Angela Mailander wrote: Bhairitu, I've got the impression that this group is not really interested in an honest exchange of ideas, but, rather, in finding ways to shoot one another down with more or less venom. It doesn't matter how good your logic or your evidence is, it simply will not be received in the spirit of honest inquiry. I'm not accusing you and have not seen you do this---I'm only noting a general impression. Also, the shooting down is usually not at any major point in an argument, but some side issue---I'd call it a special instance of the Texas sharp shooter's fallacy in which the shooter sprays bullets at the side of a barn and then goes and draws a target around the places where the bullets have hit. Of course, he's on target every time in his own mind. Is this your impression also? Or am I totally wrong? a
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: hate America?
Jesus, some people are just soo very precious, aren't they? Today, I did not step on an ant. I could have stepped on the ant, but I didn't. I made the choice not to step on the ant. I choose to be a non ant stepper. I could have been an ant stepper, but I am not an ant stepper. This is what I am, a non ant stepper. What a load of self-absorbed bullsh*t! God, do people seem to commit suicide around you, Angela, because I certainly would! Jesus, where's a bridge, I gotta jump! Do you ever question the impact your self-absorbed rants have on anyone other than yourself. Hitler wants to know. --- feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A fine rant, Edg, I enjoyed it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.projectcensored.org/censored_2008/ Here's the censored stories that BigEvil doesn't want the masses knowing much about. Feste27, the minds that keep this knowledge from the headlines are LIKE YOURS -- except, you know, you're a pissant they'd never deign to have as part of their cabal since you don't have two IQ points to rub together. Wait, I'll take that back. The intellectually challenged deserve our love, but you are a mindful supporter of evil and you're so bad at it that evil too cannot stand you. Yours is the face of the banality of Kali Yuga -- when every manner of oblivious self-serving hideous rationalization is commonplace. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Bag lady, huh? Well, you certainly seem to have a lot of baggage. You almost got through this post without mentioning Hitler, until you stumbled at the last. This reminds me a little of Rudy G., who can't seem to open his mouth without mentioning 9/11. Oh well, I guess we all have our obsessions. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander mailander111@ wrote: If you have no interest in me, why make assumptions about who I am and what I love or hate? I told you the truth. Circumstances are always complex, and I assure you there is no conspiracy against me. When I arrived at the L.A. airport from China, I had a return ticket in my pocket. Homeland Security said, You can go back to China if you want, but if you do, you're never coming back here. When I got to Ff, I asked Congressman Leach if this was legal, and he said that it was, that they could have denied me entry. I checked with an attorney specializing in such matters, and was told that people had been denied entry for no reason. So, I was here with two suitcases, no money, no place to stay, no job, and no job prospects, and a decision to make: Rich woman in China, or bag lady in the U.S. I I had two weeks to make that decision, and went for bag lady. Smart does not necessarily mean money, as Americans seem to be convinced it does. I've never taught at any University, here, in Germany, or in China when my colleagues didn't respect me. I agreed at some point with an article that said American education had hit rock bottom. I said we were all, including me, embedded in it, and I said my Ph.D. wasn't worth what earlier Ph.D. had been worth in terms of academic standards. People got their egos bent over this. When people hear that American education is terrible, even if they agree with that, they always want to talk about it as if it doesn't include them. Absurd. The comparison between Nazi Germany and the U.S. is not absurd, but I'm done talking about it. The extant information allowing that comparison is becoming more and more available in English, but you are not really interested nor willing to listen with an open mind. Not everyone you disagree with is delusional, but wanting to hospitalize those whom you deem so (in your professional opinion), is something Hitler would have agreed with. a feste37 feste37@ wrote: I have no interest in fathoming who you are. But this story, if true, is a nice reversal of the usual onebeing able to make money in China but choosing poverty in America. But dear Angela, if you are so smart, and you are continually telling us that you are, how come you cannot make money in this great land of opportunity? If you are so smart, why are you poor? Some terrible conspiracy against you, perhaps? A refusal by others to recognize your great genius? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander mailander111@ wrote: I find your accusation that I hate America nothing short of astounding--just because I see clearly doesn't mean I hate. I already told you that when I was eighteen I had a choice between wealth and ruling class status in Europe and poverty in America. I chose poverty in America. I
Re: [FairfieldLife] From Judy: Re: 9-11 -- The Inside Job was merely a blip
Thanks. I'll hang out and see what happens. I certainly am not interested in personal attacks. I also belong to a tech forum, which discusses the mathematics of G. Spencer Brown, there is very little posturing and always respect even for people who are beginners and trying to learn. a Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It depends on the individual. There are plenty of people subscribed here who will engage in an honest exchange of ideas but they may not be posting at the moment. I think a number of people were also turned off by a posting limit and haven't been back since. And then there is that bunch who want to engage in arm wrestling. I've always taken it as a sign of insecurity. I also find this on some tech forums I'm on as people want to advertise their expertise even if it is only the armchair variety. And then because of search engines exactitude has become a disease on the web. Some people want your facts to be exactly right on with no causal or off the top of your head information permitted. That is a little insane I think and can make communication tedious. Angela Mailander wrote: Bhairitu, I've got the impression that this group is not really interested in an honest exchange of ideas, but, rather, in finding ways to shoot one another down with more or less venom. It doesn't matter how good your logic or your evidence is, it simply will not be received in the spirit of honest inquiry. I'm not accusing you and have not seen you do this---I'm only noting a general impression. Also, the shooting down is usually not at any major point in an argument, but some side issue---I'd call it a special instance of the Texas sharp shooter's fallacy in which the shooter sprays bullets at the side of a barn and then goes and draws a target around the places where the bullets have hit. Of course, he's on target every time in his own mind. Is this your impression also? Or am I totally wrong? a Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: new rajas today
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: Curtis, wouldn't it be fun to get a few beers in 'em and then ask, What the f*ck, dude, just what the f*ck? Or we could just ditch the stiffs and find a joint with a couple of poles enthusiastically graced by America's finest. I think we both already know too much about the pompous bullshittery going on under those golden space caps. I would much rather spend some time in the Champagne room with a chick with a luxury car's name and a fist full of 20s! But back to your idea, I imagine we would have to get them into a few rounds of shots before they would look us in the eye and admit, Yeah man, I'm sorry, I just got carried away with myself and I now look like a total tool! gotta say that you both sound like a couple of pussies-- I honestly would not be able to do what those guys do-- not that I want to, but I really don't have the balls to dress up like that and buy into that reality so deeply and with such commitment and dedication. I guess that makes me a pussy too...and while your at it, pass me a shot of tequila, the good stuff, please.
[FairfieldLife] Re: new rajas today
gotta say that you both sound like a couple of pussies-- I honestly would not be able to do what those guys do-- not that I want to, but I really don't have the balls to dress up like that and buy into that reality so deeply and with such commitment and dedication. I guess that makes me a pussy too...and while your at it, pass me a shot of tequila, the good stuff, please. Both Peter and I did buy into that reality so deeply and with such commitment and dedication at one time Jim. Then we caught a clue. Looking like a douchebag is your idea of manliness? It doesn't take balls it takes self-delusion to be a Raja. If they are your heroes then I think you will be drinking alone. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: Curtis, wouldn't it be fun to get a few beers in 'em and then ask, What the f*ck, dude, just what the f*ck? Or we could just ditch the stiffs and find a joint with a couple of poles enthusiastically graced by America's finest. I think we both already know too much about the pompous bullshittery going on under those golden space caps. I would much rather spend some time in the Champagne room with a chick with a luxury car's name and a fist full of 20s! But back to your idea, I imagine we would have to get them into a few rounds of shots before they would look us in the eye and admit, Yeah man, I'm sorry, I just got carried away with myself and I now look like a total tool! gotta say that you both sound like a couple of pussies-- I honestly would not be able to do what those guys do-- not that I want to, but I really don't have the balls to dress up like that and buy into that reality so deeply and with such commitment and dedication. I guess that makes me a pussy too...and while your at it, pass me a shot of tequila, the good stuff, please.
[FairfieldLife] Re: new rajas today
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: gotta say that you both sound like a couple of pussies-- I honestly would not be able to do what those guys do-- not that I want to, but I really don't have the balls to dress up like that and buy into that reality so deeply and with such commitment and dedication. I guess that makes me a pussy too...and while your at it, pass me a shot of tequila, the good stuff, please. Both Peter and I did buy into that reality so deeply and with such commitment and dedication at one time Jim. Then we caught a clue. Looking like a douchebag is your idea of manliness? It doesn't take balls it takes self-delusion to be a Raja. If they are your heroes then I think you will be drinking alone. These guys aren't anywhere near my heroes- I don't know where you got that idea. I'm just asking the question if you could do what they do, whatever the motive, and you are saying no way, and I couldn't either. I am not asking like I buy into it, I'm asking you if you have guts enough to do it, the cajones dude-- not what comes naturally to you or me, playing music, or working at a company, but dressing up and preaching stuff that not even one percent of the people on the globe buy into. Maybe they all wake up one day and think, god I made such an ass out of myself. I don't know that, and neither do you. I'm just saying that whatever the motive, it takes more balls than either you or I have.
[FairfieldLife] Re: new rajas today
No doubt the Harvard law degree Raja is Steve Rubin, who made it rich in the oil brokerage business years ago. Very sharp guy and long time TM teacher from early 70's. Why China?? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know only one of them, because he's from my area. , Believe it or not, he has a Harvard law degree. You come in here with a skullful of mush...I train your mind. What would be the TMO version of this line? --- Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 30, 2007, at 11:00 AM, boo_lives wrote: Six new rajas are being crowned today - names below. Ceremony is being broadcast now at maharishi channel #3 at mou.org It must be symbolic of something that only one of the names mentioned, John Fagan, is even familiar. They've got a whole new crop to work with now it seems. I'm told that you no longer need to attend a course to become a raja - just wire in the million dollars. I'm amazed at how many people have given a million so far - it's well over 120 by my count. PT Barnum reigns supreme in this crowd, just when you think it can't get any loonier. Sal __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: new rajas today
These guys aren't anywhere near my heroes- I don't know where you got that idea. I'm just asking the question if you could do what they do, whatever the motive, and you are saying no way, and I couldn't either. I am not asking like I buy into it, I'm asking you if you have guts enough to do it, the cajones dude-- not what comes naturally to you or me, playing music, or working at a company, but dressing up and preaching stuff that not even one percent of the people on the globe buy into. Maybe they all wake up one day and think, god I made such an ass out of myself. I don't know that, and neither do you. I'm just saying that whatever the motive, it takes more balls than either you or I have. And how do you know that acting like asses doesn't come naturally to these guys? I did preach the same stuff for 15 years and it has nothing to do with your ball sack or guts. Attributing them with virtues for acting as they do may be a match for you. But please leave me out of it. If you think it takes a lot of guts to wear silly hats, take a good look around tomorrow night. The country will be practically covered with humans with the same amount of guts. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: gotta say that you both sound like a couple of pussies-- I honestly would not be able to do what those guys do-- not that I want to, but I really don't have the balls to dress up like that and buy into that reality so deeply and with such commitment and dedication. I guess that makes me a pussy too...and while your at it, pass me a shot of tequila, the good stuff, please. Both Peter and I did buy into that reality so deeply and with such commitment and dedication at one time Jim. Then we caught a clue. Looking like a douchebag is your idea of manliness? It doesn't take balls it takes self-delusion to be a Raja. If they are your heroes then I think you will be drinking alone. These guys aren't anywhere near my heroes- I don't know where you got that idea. I'm just asking the question if you could do what they do, whatever the motive, and you are saying no way, and I couldn't either. I am not asking like I buy into it, I'm asking you if you have guts enough to do it, the cajones dude-- not what comes naturally to you or me, playing music, or working at a company, but dressing up and preaching stuff that not even one percent of the people on the globe buy into. Maybe they all wake up one day and think, god I made such an ass out of myself. I don't know that, and neither do you. I'm just saying that whatever the motive, it takes more balls than either you or I have.
[FairfieldLife] From Judy (Re: Is Flaming Evil not allowed here? )
Re: From Judy (Re: Is Flaming Evil not allowed here? ) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You do not have my interpretation of Hamlet, only a very short snippet. No judgment as the quality of the whole can be based on that. a Disingenous (again). You (following Peter Brook) took a couple of lines of a very long play and *misread* them in a manner completely contrary to anything that's actually in the play, let alone in the lines themselves. And more disingenuity: You were most definitely putting forward an interpretation of the play. Here's the part that comes right before what I quoted from your post: Rulers throughout history have never been bound by the distinction ordinary human beings naturally draw between good and evil. The Gita makes that perfectly plain. And so does Shakespeare's Hamlet. I imagine we're all familiar with the Gita, particularly with verse 45 of Chapter Two. Hamlet's theme can be understood as an elaboration of that verse. Not only does Shakespeare not make it perfectly plain that rulers are not bound by the distinction between good and evil, he explicitly *contradicts* any such notion, again and again throughout his plays: even his loftiest rulers are subject to the same terrible flaws, and especially to the same self-doubt, as the rest of humankind. Hamlet's theme can legitimately be understood in many ways, but one way it *cannot* be understood is as an elaboration of verse II:45 of the Gita. Bash away at the Gita all you like, but don't try to ensnare Shakespeare in your net through guilt by warped association. That's about as intellectually dishonest as it gets.
[FairfieldLife] Re: new rajas today
Jim, I grok your concept, but it's a bit limiting to think that every Raja is processing it. Sure seems they would all be doing so, but I've met s many second generation rich kids, now grown up, who just seem to believe they're minor gods at least. They were raised in milieus we know not of. There's many such types running their businesses in FF -- running through daddy's accounts fast or using their family's coat-tails to grab OPM. I've seen $40,000,000 slide through the fingers of one company in FF before it went bust -- run by a rich kid who used his father's moola and business connections to grab OPM. Several are operating constantly in the red, hoping to still some day stop the hemorrhaging of hard won family funds. They're usually very hoity toity, and it may only be hard for them to put on the robes cuz the material is so scratchy, but otherwise, hey, they're THERE for the deal. And tomorrow, after all, millions of kids will dress up in costumes that look about as cheap as raja clothes, so, wow, just think, there's our whole culture training future rajas. I've never met someone high-up in the TMO and rich to boot who was a chummy person -- they're hit up for money constantly and are just forced into these strange, furtive, role-playing, hardened personalities. Costumes might give them that psychological distance from the masses that they long for. Okay, they're doing something we just can't know the costs of, but I don't think I could keep a straight face meeting one of them. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: gotta say that you both sound like a couple of pussies-- I honestly would not be able to do what those guys do-- not that I want to, but I really don't have the balls to dress up like that and buy into that reality so deeply and with such commitment and dedication. I guess that makes me a pussy too...and while your at it, pass me a shot of tequila, the good stuff, please. Both Peter and I did buy into that reality so deeply and with such commitment and dedication at one time Jim. Then we caught a clue. Looking like a douchebag is your idea of manliness? It doesn't take balls it takes self-delusion to be a Raja. If they are your heroes then I think you will be drinking alone. These guys aren't anywhere near my heroes- I don't know where you got that idea. I'm just asking the question if you could do what they do, whatever the motive, and you are saying no way, and I couldn't either. I am not asking like I buy into it, I'm asking you if you have guts enough to do it, the cajones dude-- not what comes naturally to you or me, playing music, or working at a company, but dressing up and preaching stuff that not even one percent of the people on the globe buy into. Maybe they all wake up one day and think, god I made such an ass out of myself. I don't know that, and neither do you. I'm just saying that whatever the motive, it takes more balls than either you or I have.
[FairfieldLife] From Judy: (Re: 9-11 -- The Inside Job was merely a blip)
-- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Duveyoung wrote: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 9-11 -- The Inside Job was merely a blip (snip thought police) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: It's good to look at 9-11 like a mystery movie. It would be like one of those movies were a dirty cop kills some innocent person and an equally corrupt police force covers up for him. In the process private detectives and journalists begin to uncover what really went on. Of course the corrupt police hassles them and try to throw them off as they get too close to the truth. Likewise if 9-11 were an inside job then of course they it would make perfect sense that the perpetrators would use disinformation to throw 9-11 truthers off course. Many of the 9-11 truth people go to great pains to filter out disinformation and incorrect evidence. They're not going to be perfect but neither are the perps. Time will tell. Justifying the 9/11 conspiracy theories by suggesting they're like what's portrayed in the movies is more revealing than you realize. The movie example (as you should well know) is used as an illustration of a cover-up. We've had a number of cover-ups exposed during our lifetime. So why not use a *real* cover-up as an example? Why would 9-11 be any different? There, you just did it again: Because there have been cover-ups in the past, therefore there must have been a cover-up of 9/11. Not every story backed by the government is a cover-up, Bhairitu. Nothing wrong with looking at government-backed stories more closely, but when you look and look and don't *find* anything that holds up under examination, it's time to give the cover-up theory a rest. That is unless you actually believe that 19 terrorists armed with box cutters pulled the thing off. They certainly pulled off the actual attacks. Whether they had some help from unknown sources is another question entirely. snip Those are the pages I checked earlier right out of the book BUT it doesn't say anything there that specifically Angel was a secret codeword. The top secret code words and procedures would refer to the ones that allowed them to communicate the message. Oh, come on. Talk about a stretch! Top secret code words clearly refers to Angel. And if the code word is inside information, that also implies secrecy. Here's something Tarpley said during an interview: 'Angel is next' implies the top-secret codename or codeword for the Presidential aircraft, Air Force One. The administration is caught in a dilemma here. If the message was just a misunderstanding, it makes Bush look very foolish for not coming back to D.C. right away and going through all kinds of aimless maneuvers. If it *wasn't* a misunderstanding, as Tarpley correctly says, it would implicate people within the administration in 9/11. snip It's a *non sequitur joke*. You've got things very confused in your mind about my position. ROTFL! Position? Tap dancing would be more like it. Not. My position is entirely consistent. Your eyes are tap dancing. You still don't see where you got it wrong. snip Start with 911myths.com and debunking911.com. They have links to lots of other debunking sites. Some are better than others, of course. So why should be believe them any more than we should believe the 911 truth sites? Up to you. The guy who put them up (I think he's responsible for both of them) says over and over again that we shouldn't take his word for anything. snip That is bunk. Conspiracies are a part of history. For some bizarre reason you don't like to admit to them. Never said conspiracies weren't a part of history. I'll admit to plenty of 'em. For some bizarre reason you believe anybody who thinks the 9/11 conspiracy theories are bunk must be unwilling to entertain the idea that there have ever been *any* conspiracies--as if the fact that there have been conspiracies in the past means the 9/11 conspiracy theories must be true. That's so illogical it borders on the irrational. No, I never said that. You're jumping to conclusions again. It's the logical implication of what you said above. And it's also just plain wrong. You don't have a clue what conspiracies I think are real, yet you claim I won't admit to any of them because I'm dubious about *one* of them. FYI, just for example, I'm virtually positive there were conspiracies to assassinate JFK, Martin Luther King, Jr., and Bobby Kennedy. I also don't think all crop circles are human-made, nor that UFOs are just a function of human misperception or delusion. I think the government is holding back information about both, particularly UFOs. So don't give me this You don't like to admit to conspiracies crap just because I don't buy into all of them. snip How do you think I know the Popular Mechanics debunking was so poor and simplistic if I haven't
[FairfieldLife] Question for Cardemeister
Angela writes: If you guys find this hymn, please let me know. It's my favorite, and the pages where it should be are missing from my copy of the tenth mandala. a TomT; Revelations has a ton of copies if you wish to update yours. Or on the other hadn stop in get a cup of coffee and read what you want when you want to at no additional cost.