[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Academy of Total Knowledge

[george_deforest]

 Peter wrote:
This is the typical f*cked approach of the TMO/MMY. No
building on strength of current, established
institutions. Just start from scratch with the fantasy
and when it utterly fails...WHICH IT WILL... just
blame low consciousness or some such nonsense
 
  It's unlikely to ever actually exist.   
 
 Bob Brigante wrote:
 Much of the facility, classrooms, gym, and admin bldgs, is already 
 built (the site used to be Hawthorne College), and I can't see any 
 reason why the lokels or state of New Hump would not let them open 
 the school, so it's virtually a done deal ...
 
 http://tinyurl.com/yr7y8d

if i remember right, the early jyotish program and
the now defunct Enlightenment Magazine, were
both produced in this Antrim NH; dont know if they were
using these same buildings or not, but i think TMO
has been in that town for some decades already.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak Chopra and Mike Myers on Sundance Channel

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  On Behalf Of do.rflex
 
 Rick mentioned a number of instances besides that one. 
 Perhaps he will clarify.
 
 Maharishi often referred to himself as a master. Not always 
 in the first person, but often as a master does this or 
 a the master does that, obviously implying that he was 
 one and does things that way. There are passages in his 
 Gita commentary like that. Another more specific example 
 was something he said to a friend of mine (no Nabby, I 
 wasn't there. My friend told me later). He said, A time 
 comes when a master decides to get personally involved 
 in the disciple's evolution. He was dangling a carrot
 in front of my friend.

I agree with Rick that Maharishi used the term
often, and often attempted to convey the impression
that he was such a master. That said, however, I
honestly think that the story on this is that Maha-
rishi isn't all that bright or a scholar, and his
entire feeling for what a master entails is based
on just that -- a feeling.

He found himself -- a bhakti by nature, *not* a 
scholar -- in an ashram headed up by someone (GD)
who, if all reports are to be believed, invited
being considered a master because he handled 
himself with mastery. The respect that people had
for him (GD) was because of the way he lived his
life, not because he demanded it. This implied
master-disciple relationship was further enhanced
because it was *normal* in Hindu society; almost
everyone who was attracted to the ashram grew up
on stories of spiritual masters and the tales
of how students were supposed to act around them.

So *that* was Maharishi's education in what a 
spiritual master was -- seeing one in action, and
the way that all of Guru Dev's students treated him. 

Segue to Maharishi going out and trying to teach
on his own. He naturally expected everyone to treat
*him* the same way. 

They didn't, because he had done nothing to deserve
it. He didn't display any of the mastery of conscious-
ness that GD had; he didn't display much of Guru Dev's
famous equanimity and self-effacement and humility,
and in fact, he often displayed the opposite. *And*,
Maharishi was dealing with Westerners who had *not*
been brought up to *assume* a master-disiple rela-
tionship with a spiritual teacher with whom they
had chosen to work.

So IMO Maharishi set about *training* his students
in how to treat him. He did this via example.

Those who kowtowed to him and treated him the way
he expected to be treated (that is, with the awe and
reverence and the unquestioning obedience Maharishi 
had felt for GD) got praised and elevated to high 
positions within his organizations. Those who did
*not* treat him that way got ignored or scorned or
yelled at or, if they couldn't be manipulated into
treating him the way he wanted to be treated, got 
sent away in disgrace. The latter was often the most
effective teach by example technique; all of the
students had been told since Day One how unique
TM was, and how it was the highest path, and 
most of them actually believed it. Shemp and Nabbie
still do, obviously. So they're not *about* to blow
their shot at the highest path by doing something
that could get them kicked out.

The bottom line, as I see it, is that Maharishi has
always demanded that his students *treat* him as
a spiritual master, one who gets intimately 
involved in the lives of his students, without ever
doing much of anything to *deserve* being thought of
or treated that way. He really doesn't, as far as I
can tell, have any of the *knowledge* of WHAT TO
DO to be the kind of master who gets intimately
involved in the karmas of his individual students;
when he tries, he often fucks it up.

There is a great deal of training and spiritual
literature surrounding what it takes to be that kind
of teacher, and to have that kind of relationship
with one's students, and the *responsibilities* 
implied by accepting that kind of relationship *as*
a master. Suffice it to say that the responsi-
bilities are much greater for the master than for
the disciple. As far as I can tell, Maharishi has 
read none of this, knows none of this, and has 
always just been faking it, based solely on *his* 
imagined relationship with Guru Dev. 

He wants to be revered as if he had a Ph.D. in being
a spiritual master, but he's never even earned 
a B.A. HE NEVER DID THE HOMEWORK.

Vaj and Bharitu and I and others have met teachers
who HAVE done the homework. I don't think any of us
are in the market for a master, but if we were,
we've seen a few people who would qualify for that
position. In my honest, considered opinion, Maharishi
does not qualify, and never has. Yet he demands that 
his students treat him *as if* he qualified.

It's all about pretense. Maharishi pretends to be
the kind of teacher one can legitimately relate to
as a master. A lot of the students, who have been
to some extent brainwashed by all the bhakti stories
into wanting a master, 

[FairfieldLife] Dilemma: mithyaa-jñaanam or mithyaa + ajñaanam?

[cardemaister]

Empty kindly sent me several essays on Indian philosophy.

  Been reading Martha Doherty's

A CONTEMPORARY DEBATE AMONG ADVAITA

VEDANTINS ON THE NATURE OF AVIDYA.

Here's an excerpt from page 10:

Swami Satchidanandendra finds several difficulties in this passage

from the Pañcapaadikaa. The most important one is Padmapaada's

resolution of Shankara's compound mithyaajñaana as
mithyaa-ajñaana, it is

ignorance and it is false (mithyaa ca tad ajñaanaM ca
mithyaajñaanam). As

we saw, Swami Satchidanandendra understands it as mithyaa-jñaana,

``false knowledge'' or error.

That's a nice example of how sandhi of 'a' slightly encrypts Sanskrit

text: mithyaa + jñaanam and mithyaa + ajñaanam both result

to mithyaajñaanam.

But IMO, Padmapaada's reading (mithyaa + ajñaanam) would require that
the

compound  be a dvandva, and thus have a dual ending
(mithyaajñaanau?).

Not sure about that, though.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak Chopra and Mike Myers on Sundance Channel

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ 
wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives boo_lives@ 
  wrote:
   
Maybe chopra was just looking for an excuse to leave
and do his own thing at that point.  Basically I think 
someone with a practical independent attitude will
ultimately come into conflict with the tmo inner circle - 
whether you view it as being kicked out or voluntarily
leaving in frustration doesn't matter much.
   
   It matters a great deal in one case -- when the person
   leaves of his own accord and Maharishi or the TMO claim
   he was kicked out. I saw that happen quite a few times.
  
  I call Barry's attention to this from the
  letter sent to the centers by National after
  Chopra left:
  
  There have been many inquiries from Maharishi
  City Capitals asking what our policy should be
  regarding Dr. Deepak Chopra as they have heard
  he has left the Movement. This is to inform you
  that Dr. Chopra has confirmed with us that he
  has left the Movement to pursue his own career
  and desires to live a 'private and quiet life.'
  From his side Dr. Chopra has said that Centers,
  Governors, Teachers, Sidhas and Meditators
  'should ignore him and not try to contact him
  or promote him in any way.'
  
  Whether or not this is what Chopra actually
  said, it's the way the TMO chose to portray
  the split.
  
   It's a common cult technique. What the cult is trying to
   do is reinforce the idea that no one would ever *want*
   to leave of their own accord. So it's better for the
   cult to claim that they were kicked out for conduct
   unbecoming. Or, if they really can't hide the fact
   that the person left on their own, to portray them
   as crazy.
  
  Oddly enough, the cult did neither in Chopra's
  case.
 
 But Judy this is what the cult does every single day, I've
 seen it so many times. It's just one aspect of why I can't
 tkae them seriously anymore.
 
 Tapes with Chopra on aren't allowed to be played at meetings, 
 practise of Chopras techniques is discouraged. Why do they do
 that if it's all smiles between them?

I don't read the letter to the centers concerning
Chopra as conveying that it's all smiles between
them. Did you see the complete letter? I put it
in another post. It seems pretty clear that the TMO
considered the direction Chopra was taking to be a
threat to the purity of the teaching.

 The first time I heard about him a governor took me to one side 
 and whispered chopra was a man who stole all MMYs ideas and left 
 to make money out of them, it's best not to talk about him these 
 people really believe that he is a rackshasa who spurned MMY and 
 therefore isn't worthy of mention. What Turq was pointing out is 
 this need of people to have an us and them approach to it. It 
 doesn't matter if it's not official if it's all you ever hear.

What Barry was criticizing and I was addressing
was the story that apostates had been kicked out
rather than leaving of their own accord, or that
they were crazy (read the quotes from his post
above again). And that was not the official TMO
position regarding Chopra, nor was it even the
unofficial position, from what you say above.

I don't think anybody here claimed or suggested
that everything was all kissy-kissy rather than us
and them where Chopra was concerned. The letter
was very carefully written to sound as neutral as
possible, but it doesn't take much reading between
the lines to see that the split wasn't a happy one.

The *merits* of the TMO's position on Chopra is
another question entirely, one I wasn't addressing.
I was simply pointing out that it would be
incorrect to say that the TMO claimed Chopra had
been kicked out or was crazy.




 
 Another example, Peter Wright wrote the book on TM that got me 
 interested, but mention his name and you get a comment like we 
don't 
 recommend that book because he isn't into TM anymore which is 
stupid 
 enough as it is but the reason he's another persona non grata is 
 because he described MMY as one guru among many. That's it, that's 
 all it was. The cultmaniacs in the TMO see this as a betrayal. I 
 think he's got the facts on his side and that is just too much for 
 TMers to comprehend, the possibility there may be another path just 
 blows a fuse somewhere, it scares them. Why is that? It's either 
what 
 MMY wants them to think or he doesn't know they do it. As far as 
I'm 
 concerned it's bullshit either way.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak Chopra and Mike Myers on Sundance Channel

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote:
 
   On Behalf Of do.rflex
  
  Rick mentioned a number of instances besides that one. 
  Perhaps he will clarify.
  
  Maharishi often referred to himself as a master. Not always 
  in the first person, but often as a master does this or 
  a the master does that, obviously implying that he was 
  one and does things that way. There are passages in his 
  Gita commentary like that. Another more specific example 
  was something he said to a friend of mine (no Nabby, I 
  wasn't there. My friend told me later). He said, A time 
  comes when a master decides to get personally involved 
  in the disciple's evolution. He was dangling a carrot
  in front of my friend.
 
 I agree with Rick that Maharishi used the term
 often, and often attempted to convey the impression
 that he was such a master. That said, however, I
 honestly think that the story on this is that Maha-
 rishi isn't all that bright or a scholar, and his
 entire feeling for what a master entails is based
 on just that -- a feeling.

Two points.

First, it's one thing to say that MMY isn't a
scholar, but to say he isn't all that bright
is patently absurd.

Second, master has a number of different
meanings, depending on the context. One sense
refers to relationship, as in master/disciple;
the other simply refers to the teacher's mastery
of what he teaches. The criteria for whether a
given teacher can legitimately call him/herself
a master are different depending on which
sense is being used.

Barry has managed to conflate the two in
this rant.





 
 He found himself -- a bhakti by nature, *not* a 
 scholar -- in an ashram headed up by someone (GD)
 who, if all reports are to be believed, invited
 being considered a master because he handled 
 himself with mastery. The respect that people had
 for him (GD) was because of the way he lived his
 life, not because he demanded it. This implied
 master-disciple relationship was further enhanced
 because it was *normal* in Hindu society; almost
 everyone who was attracted to the ashram grew up
 on stories of spiritual masters and the tales
 of how students were supposed to act around them.
 
 So *that* was Maharishi's education in what a 
 spiritual master was -- seeing one in action, and
 the way that all of Guru Dev's students treated him. 
 
 Segue to Maharishi going out and trying to teach
 on his own. He naturally expected everyone to treat
 *him* the same way. 
 
 They didn't, because he had done nothing to deserve
 it. He didn't display any of the mastery of conscious-
 ness that GD had; he didn't display much of Guru Dev's
 famous equanimity and self-effacement and humility,
 and in fact, he often displayed the opposite. *And*,
 Maharishi was dealing with Westerners who had *not*
 been brought up to *assume* a master-disiple rela-
 tionship with a spiritual teacher with whom they
 had chosen to work.
 
 So IMO Maharishi set about *training* his students
 in how to treat him. He did this via example.
 
 Those who kowtowed to him and treated him the way
 he expected to be treated (that is, with the awe and
 reverence and the unquestioning obedience Maharishi 
 had felt for GD) got praised and elevated to high 
 positions within his organizations. Those who did
 *not* treat him that way got ignored or scorned or
 yelled at or, if they couldn't be manipulated into
 treating him the way he wanted to be treated, got 
 sent away in disgrace. The latter was often the most
 effective teach by example technique; all of the
 students had been told since Day One how unique
 TM was, and how it was the highest path, and 
 most of them actually believed it. Shemp and Nabbie
 still do, obviously. So they're not *about* to blow
 their shot at the highest path by doing something
 that could get them kicked out.
 
 The bottom line, as I see it, is that Maharishi has
 always demanded that his students *treat* him as
 a spiritual master, one who gets intimately 
 involved in the lives of his students, without ever
 doing much of anything to *deserve* being thought of
 or treated that way. He really doesn't, as far as I
 can tell, have any of the *knowledge* of WHAT TO
 DO to be the kind of master who gets intimately
 involved in the karmas of his individual students;
 when he tries, he often fucks it up.
 
 There is a great deal of training and spiritual
 literature surrounding what it takes to be that kind
 of teacher, and to have that kind of relationship
 with one's students, and the *responsibilities* 
 implied by accepting that kind of relationship *as*
 a master. Suffice it to say that the responsi-
 bilities are much greater for the master than for
 the disciple. As far as I can tell, Maharishi has 
 read none of this, knows none of this, and has 
 always just been faking it, based solely on *his* 
 imagined relationship with Guru Dev. 
 
 He wants to be revered as if he 

[FairfieldLife] Diwali with Prince Charles Duchess Of Cornwall

[ramesh dhank]

Here is a report on how the Prince of Wales  Duchess Of Cornwall celebrated 
Diwali:
   
  
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/World/Prince_Charles_Camilla_celebrate_Diwali_in_UK/articleshow/2532035.cms
   
  Here is the image gallery:
   
  http://tinyurl.com/yu5w3z

   
  Prince Charles and his wife Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall, added colour to the 
Diwali celebrations in Britain by visiting Shri Swaminarayan temple and 
participating in a symbolic 'Laxmi Puja' ceremony. Yogvivek Swami, the head 
priest at the temple in Neasden, greeted the Prince on Friday in the 
traditional Indian way with a garland. Female members of the temple welcomed 
The Duchess with a 'tilak' on her forehead. The Royal couple then proceeded to 
the sanctum sanctorum where they offered flowers at the central shrine. Both 
spent several minutes witnessing the intricate architecture of the temple. 
After meeting temple volunteers, the Royal couple made their way into the 
prayer hall where they were greeted with rapturous applause, musical fanfare 
and waving of flags. They performed 'abhishek' of Shri Nilkanth Varni before 
being escorted to the Haveli foyer to have a view of the building's 
architecture. The Prince and the Duchess each lighted a 'diya' in Haveli to 
commemorate
 their presence on the auspicious day of Diwali. After receiving garlands, they 
participated in a symbolic 'Chopda Pujan' (Laxmi Puja) ceremony while the 
children chanted Verdic hymns. This was followed by a dance. Prince Charles, in 
his address, spoke of his 'great privilege' of visiting the temple on this 
auspicious occasion of Diwali, the most wonderful festival of light. He 
specifically thanked the temple volunteers for their overwhelming warmth on 
his two previous visits to the temple in 1996 and in 2001, and felt especially 
touched on being allowed to participate in the sacred rituals this time, even 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Singing in the nth dimension!

[cardemaister]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Janet Luise [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 GREAT!  Now I've got 3 German Ladies singing in my head!
 
 I don't think I've ever heard German sound as beautiful as that 
Zarah
 Lender  ( I'd never heard of herDid the 40s taint her a 
little? 
  Lotte Lenya moved to America in the mid 30s so she's what 
Americans
 think of first for jazzy German music.
 
 But don't you think Nina even better ?
 (Naturally I underlined all the INDRA words  not so many SOMA 
ones in
 the 9th dimension!  Power over sweetness)
 Nina Hagen is to Pavarotti as Zarah Leander is to Placido Domingo?
 Beefsteak to Heavy Cream
 
 I didn't really care for PUNK music but I think singing Opera music
 must have gotten really boring for her to expand so far. Did you 
know
 her when she was a straight East German opera star?   She could do
 things with her voice that noone else could do - other than Uma
 Sumac..  She doesn't use any sound effects – that's all Nina.

In addition to Zarah Leander, my mother often spoke of Yma Sumac
(Amy Camus, LOL!):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ker24VSMImo

[FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak Chopra and Mike Myers on Sundance Channel

[TurquoiseB]

   It's a common cult technique. What the cult is trying to
   do is reinforce the idea that no one would ever *want*
   to leave of their own accord. So it's better for the
   cult to claim that they were kicked out for conduct
   unbecoming. Or, if they really can't hide the fact
   that the person left on their own, to portray them
   as crazy.
  
  Oddly enough, the cult did neither in Chopra's
  case.
 
 But Judy this is what the cult does every single day, 
 I've seen it so many times. It's just one aspect of 
 why I can't tkae them seriously anymore.
 
 Tapes with Chopra on aren't allowed to be played at 
 meetings, practise of Chopras techniques is discouraged. 
 Why do they do that if it's all smiles between them?

Exactly. It's the olde Say one thing publicly
but do quite another in private dodge. That,
too, is classic cult behavior.

And the thing is, everyone including Judy is
more than *aware* of this hypocrisy; it's just
that some still want to point to the official
public explanation as a way of distracting 
attention from the far more pervasive private
behavior.

Anyone who ever saw Lawson or any number of 
other people dump on Chopra from on high knows
what the real story is. He is persona non grata
in the TM organization, which means that if his
name comes up, the faithful TBs should do what-
ever is necessary to dump on him.

That's just how things are *done* in the TMO.
They can't *allow* anyone to just walk away
Scot-free. There has to be a derogatory *reason*
why they left. Preferably it's because they were
really kicked out. If that can't be claimed,
then insinuating that the person is crazy is a 
good second choice. 

Going down the list of other standard TM methods 
of dumping on an apostate, I'm sure you'll recog-
nize many of them from this very forum:

He lacked courage. He was too afraid to do the
things necessary to stick around. ( How much
'courage' does it take to assiduously avoid deal-
ing with reality for 30 years? :-)

He was only in it for the money. ( As if the
TMO and Maharishi aren't. :-)

He must have been confused by being exposed to
Off The Program material or other teachers. 
( Because everyone knows that other traditions,
jealous of TM for being the 'highest path,' are
out there waiting in the shadows, ready to waylay 
any hapless TMer and lure them away. :-)

He failed at his commitment to Maharishi and to
the Holy Tradition. ( And just where did this
idea that one *should* make such a commitment
*come* from? )

He failed, period. ( By all means, when some-
one walks away from the TMO, the most important
thing to say, and to repeat often, is that his
decision to do so implies a huge *failure* on
his part. The greater the person's former stature 
within the TMO, the greater his failure. This is
by far the most important argument to make, 
because if you make it convincingly, everyone
who is still in the cult who has *not* walked
away can consider themselves 'successes' because
they have avoided the temptation to be 'failures' 
like the person being trashed. )

He 'stole' all his ideas from our teacher.
( Yeah, right. In the case of Chopra, show me 
*anything* that indicates that Maharishi knew
*anything* about Ayurveda before he started
milking Chopra for ideas. Maharishi stole from
*him*, not vice-versa. Same with a lot of the
physicists and scientists who walked away early
on in the movement; the claim from TMers was
that they had gotten *their* ideas from MMY and
not vice-versa, which is ludicrous if one just
reads the books they wrote before meeting him. )

This last one is the 'dump on the apostate' 
argument that pisses me off the most. 

It's the one that makes claims like The Beatles 
were only successful because of Maharishi's ideas 
and/or energy, or that any of the other famous 
TMers along the way were only famous because of 
Maharishi. It's the exact opposite. If Maharishi
hadn't ripped off these people's fame and ideas
and reputations, *he* would be the one who was
unknown.

Credit where credit is due, people. Maharishi
glommed onto these people and *used them* to 
further his own ends. If you think that those
ends were justified, then you probably believe
that the means (piggyback off someone else's
fame or ideas) were justified.

But ferchissakes, don't claim an inverse rela-
tionship when these people get tired of being
used and walk away. Don't claim that the energy
in the scenario really came from Maharishi.
His entire *life* has been based on finding
creative people, getting them to believe in him
and his ideas, and then using their fame or 
their money or their ideas to further his own
ends. That's just what Maharishi DOES.

 The first time I heard about him a governor took me to 
 one side and whispered chopra was a man who stole all 
 MMYs ideas and left to make money out of them, it's best 
 not to talk about him these people really believe that 
 he is a rackshasa who spurned MMY and therefore isn't 
 worthy of mention. What Turq was 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak Chopra and Mike Myers on Sundance Channel

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

It's a common cult technique. What the cult is trying to
do is reinforce the idea that no one would ever *want*
to leave of their own accord. So it's better for the
cult to claim that they were kicked out for conduct
unbecoming. Or, if they really can't hide the fact
that the person left on their own, to portray them
as crazy.
   
   Oddly enough, the cult did neither in Chopra's
   case.
  
  But Judy this is what the cult does every single day, 
  I've seen it so many times. It's just one aspect of 
  why I can't tkae them seriously anymore.
  
  Tapes with Chopra on aren't allowed to be played at 
  meetings, practise of Chopras techniques is discouraged. 
  Why do they do that if it's all smiles between them?
 
 Exactly. It's the olde Say one thing publicly
 but do quite another in private dodge. That,
 too, is classic cult behavior.
 
 And the thing is, everyone including Judy is
 more than *aware* of this hypocrisy; it's just
 that some still want to point to the official
 public explanation as a way of distracting 
 attention from the far more pervasive private
 behavior.

None of which pervasive private behavior,
contrary to Barry's original suggestion (see
quote at the top), claimed that Chopra had
been kicked out of the TMO or that he was
crazy.

Barry got it wrong; he is the one attempting
to distract attention from that awful fact.

Nobody, as Barry knows, suggested everything
was all smiles between Chopra and the TMO.
That's a straw man. Not even the official
explanation did so. The only difference between
the official explanation and the private
behavior is that the official statement was
phrased to sound as neutral as possible, which
is what you'd expect from practically any
organization.

Once again: In his compulsion to dump on the
TMO, Barry got it wrong, and to try to cover
up his mistake, he invents and knowingly falsely
accuses me of trying to distract attention from
a nonexistent hypocrisy.

But now look at this:

 That's just how things are *done* in the TMO.
 They can't *allow* anyone to just walk away
 Scot-free. There has to be a derogatory *reason*
 why they left. Preferably it's because they were
 really kicked out. If that can't be claimed,
 then insinuating that the person is crazy is a 
 good second choice.

This is his original claim, back from the dead,
as if it hadn't been conclusively refuted. And
not one of Barry's own examples of TMers dumping
on Chopra validates the claim.

And Barry calls the TMO hypocritical.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak Chopra and Mike Myers on Sundance Channel

[TurquoiseB]

Barry is talking about the larger situation, not 
Chopra in particular, and Judy knows it. 

In fact, that's why she's trying to *distract* 
from the larger situation, and try to make it all 
about Chopra, even though I clearly said at the 
beginning of my comments that I knew nothing about
him and couldn't care less about him. I used Chopra
as a springboard to talk about a larger subject -- 
the cult tendencies of the TM movement and how they
manifest when someone walks away. 

THAT is what Judy is attempting to distract people
from. She doesn't LIKE it when someone brings up
the cult nature of the TMO.

Besides, it's late in Judy's posting week and 
she only has a few more posts in which to dump on
Barry, so she's getting a little panicky.  

That's a cult thang, too.  :-)  :-)  :-)


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
 
 It's a common cult technique. What the cult is trying to
 do is reinforce the idea that no one would ever *want*
 to leave of their own accord. So it's better for the
 cult to claim that they were kicked out for conduct
 unbecoming. Or, if they really can't hide the fact
 that the person left on their own, to portray them
 as crazy.

Oddly enough, the cult did neither in Chopra's
case.
   
   But Judy this is what the cult does every single day, 
   I've seen it so many times. It's just one aspect of 
   why I can't tkae them seriously anymore.
   
   Tapes with Chopra on aren't allowed to be played at 
   meetings, practise of Chopras techniques is discouraged. 
   Why do they do that if it's all smiles between them?
  
  Exactly. It's the olde Say one thing publicly
  but do quite another in private dodge. That,
  too, is classic cult behavior.
  
  And the thing is, everyone including Judy is
  more than *aware* of this hypocrisy; it's just
  that some still want to point to the official
  public explanation as a way of distracting 
  attention from the far more pervasive private
  behavior.
 
 None of which pervasive private behavior,
 contrary to Barry's original suggestion (see
 quote at the top), claimed that Chopra had
 been kicked out of the TMO or that he was
 crazy.
 
 Barry got it wrong; he is the one attempting
 to distract attention from that awful fact.
 
 Nobody, as Barry knows, suggested everything
 was all smiles between Chopra and the TMO.
 That's a straw man. Not even the official
 explanation did so. The only difference between
 the official explanation and the private
 behavior is that the official statement was
 phrased to sound as neutral as possible, which
 is what you'd expect from practically any
 organization.
 
 Once again: In his compulsion to dump on the
 TMO, Barry got it wrong, and to try to cover
 up his mistake, he invents and knowingly falsely
 accuses me of trying to distract attention from
 a nonexistent hypocrisy.
 
 But now look at this:
 
  That's just how things are *done* in the TMO.
  They can't *allow* anyone to just walk away
  Scot-free. There has to be a derogatory *reason*
  why they left. Preferably it's because they were
  really kicked out. If that can't be claimed,
  then insinuating that the person is crazy is a 
  good second choice.
 
 This is his original claim, back from the dead,
 as if it hadn't been conclusively refuted. And
 not one of Barry's own examples of TMers dumping
 on Chopra validates the claim.
 
 And Barry calls the TMO hypocritical.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak Chopra and Mike Myers on Sundance Channel

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
 He 'stole' all his ideas from our teacher.
 ( Yeah, right. In the case of Chopra, show me 
 *anything* that indicates that Maharishi knew
 *anything* about Ayurveda before he started
 milking Chopra for ideas. Maharishi stole from
 *him*, not vice-versa.

Actually, Maharishi introduced his version of
Ayurveda in 1980; Chopra didn't meet MMY until
1885.

According to Chopra himself in Return of the
Rishi, he, Chopra, didn't know much of anything
about Ayurveda before he met MMY. And when he
did meet him, it was after a large gathering at
which he heard MMY spend several hours
discussing the revival of Ayurveda with various
doctors and Indian pundits.

Chopra doesn't claim that he learned the specifics
of Ayurveda from MMY, nor have I heard any TMers
suggest he did. Rather, at this first meeting MMY
told him to go and study it on his own (including,
I believe, with Triguna) and then to come back and
help integrate what he had learned with MMY's
teaching about consciousness. MMY claims Ayurveda
had become ineffective because the underlying
understanding of consciousness was missing. Again
according to Chopra, that's what MMY provided.

So, oops, Barry's wrong again.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak Chopra and Mike Myers on Sundance Channel

[jim_flanegin]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
Snip And it's all because of the bottom-line marketing
 approach used by Maharishi since Day One, that TM
 is the best.
 
 That is *so* much the *foundation* of everything TM
 that anything that challenges this idea just Cannot
 Be Allowed.

You are spending a lot of time here describing the symptoms of what 
is essentially a natural phenomenon; the critical mass of any entity 
as it grows, encourages exclusivity. 

Try working for General Motors and driviong a Ford to work, for 
example. Or put up a sign at work declaring that your competitor is 
just as good. Just The Way Things Work, dude. If you want to ascribe 
nefarious intent to it, fine, but you've got countless targets to go 
after. 

So the question to you becomes, why are you focused on Maharishi and 
the TMO when you could choose *anybody* or *anything*? Why does 
Barry focus on the TMO and Maharishi, when he has entire countries, 
organizations, corporations, and yes, even billions of people to 
choose from? Looks somewhat obsessive from my perspective.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak Chopra and Mike Myers on Sundance Channel

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Barry is talking about the larger situation, not 
 Chopra in particular, and Judy knows it. 
 
 In fact, that's why she's trying to *distract* 
 from the larger situation, and try to make it all 
 about Chopra, even though I clearly said at the 
 beginning of my comments that I knew nothing about
 him and couldn't care less about him. I used Chopra
 as a springboard to talk about a larger subject -- 
 the cult tendencies of the TM movement and how they
 manifest when someone walks away. 
 
 THAT is what Judy is attempting to distract people
 from. She doesn't LIKE it when someone brings up
 the cult nature of the TMO.
 
 Besides, it's late in Judy's posting week and 
 she only has a few more posts in which to dump on
 Barry, so she's getting a little panicky.  
 
 That's a cult thang, too.  :-)  :-)  :-)

And, just in case she's still up and still
fuming, at 5:43 AM her time :-), here's an
even stronger clarification:

I AM *NOT* TALKING ABOUT DEEPAK CHOPRA
PER SE. I AM TALKING ABOUT A DECADES-
OLD TENDENCY IN THE TMO TO ACTIVELY
TRASH PEOPLE WHO HAVE WALKED AWAY.

Now that that's said, let's see whether Judy
will actually address any of the points I
brought up *about* this tendency, and any 
of the common techniques used to practice it.

My bet is that she won't, because she knows
that if she denies them or that they exist I 
can find instances on FFL or on a.m.t. of 
*her* doing most of the things I mentioned.

Besides, she's only got four posts left for
the week. Why waste them on the actual sub-
ject I'm discussing if she can invent a dis-
traction instead and divert attention *away* 
from the subject I'm discussing?  :-)  :-)  :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak Chopra and Mike Myers on Sundance Channel

[do.rflex]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On Behalf Of do.rflex
 Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 4:57 PM
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak Chopra and Mike Myers on Sundance
 Channel
 
  
 
 Rick mentioned a number of instances besides that one. Perhaps he
 will clarify.
 
 Maharishi often referred to himself as a master. Not always in the first
 person, but often as a master does this or a the master does that,
 obviously implying that he was one and does things that way. There are
 passages in his Gita commentary like that. Another more specific
example was
 something he said to a friend of mine (no Nabby, I wasn't there. My
friend
 told me later). He said, A time comes when a master decides to get
 personally involved in the disciple's evolution. He was dangling a
carrot
 in front of my friend.


Thanks, Rick. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak Chopra and Mike Myers on Sundance Channel

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ 
 wrote:
 Snip And it's all because of the bottom-line marketing
  approach used by Maharishi since Day One, that TM
  is the best.
  
  That is *so* much the *foundation* of everything TM
  that anything that challenges this idea just Cannot
  Be Allowed.
 
 You are spending a lot of time here describing the symptoms 
 of what is essentially a natural phenomenon; the critical 
 mass of any entity as it grows, encourages exclusivity. 

And you're being a TM toady.  :-)

 Try working for General Motors and driviong a Ford to work, 
 for example. Or put up a sign at work declaring that your 
 competitor is just as good. Just The Way Things Work, dude. 
 If you want to ascribe nefarious intent to it, fine, but 
 you've got countless targets to go after. 

Give me time.  :-)  Right now I'm focusing on 
just one of them.

Your argument seems to be that there is *not*
nefarious intent involved in these actions.
There clearly is. And you're trying to down-
play it. 

 So the question to you becomes, why are you focused on 
 Maharishi and the TMO when you could choose *anybody* or 
 *anything*? 

Duh. Could it possibly be because this is a 
TM-oriented forum, not one with much interest
in Ford?  :-)

 Why does Barry focus on the TMO and Maharishi, when he 
 has entire countries, organizations, corporations, and 
 yes, even billions of people to choose from? 

One could as easily ask, Why does Jim spend
so much time *defending* Maharishi and the TMO
and claiming that the stupid or even illegal
stuff they do is 'no different from what many
people do?'

 Looks somewhat obsessive from my perspective.

As do your compulsive defenses of Maharishi and
the TMO from my perspective.

Not to mention the substance of them. If the
best you can come up with is the playground 
comeback, Yeah, but they do it, too, you're
on pretty weak ground, dude.

Isn't the whole premise of Maharishi's vision
that TM is supposed to lead to enlightened
behavior? That it's supposed to enable its
long-time followers to act in accord with the
laws of nature and do nothing that is harmful?

Where's the beef, dude? 

You're trying to say that the claim is real
when the very organization that makes the claim
fails to live up to its predictions. 

It's a *great* deal like saying that you are
able to have perfect knowledge of things while
making dumb and stupid mistakes all the time
about things you *could* have looked up, but
don't because you don't need to. 

But wait...there's a perfect explanation for
that one, too. Just claim that other enlightened
beings in the past made stuff up and claimed that
it was true because they'd cognized it. Then
you could use the Yeah, but they do it, too
argument again.

:-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak Chopra and Mike Myers on Sundance Channel

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Barry is talking about the larger situation, not 
 Chopra in particular, and Judy knows it.

Barry was talking about the larger situation in
the context of the Chopra flap. I pointed out that
it didn't apply in the case of the TMO and Chopra.

Barry spent his entire next long post trying to
show how that the TMO said one thing publicly
but did quite another in private with regard
to Chopra, accusing me of attempting to cover
this up.

Except that I had just showed that there was
nothing to cover up. Nobody pretends the TMO's
split with Chopra resulted in all smiles 
between them (hugheshugo's phrase), least of
all me. I said explicitly that the TMO viewed
him as a threat to the purity of the teaching.

 In fact, that's why she's trying to *distract* 
 from the larger situation, and try to make it all 
 about Chopra

No, Barry, I'm using Chopra as a springboard to
make it all about *you* and your penchant for
dishonesty and hypocrisy--the larger situation,
you might say.

My original observation didn't even call your 
rant against the TMO in question. But you couldn't
stand my pointing out that it didn't apply to
Chopra, so you decided to attack me. That's when
it became all about you.

You're your own worst enemy.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak Chopra and Mike Myers on Sundance Channel

[TurquoiseB]

At this rate, Judy's going to be out of posts
before she makes it to bed.  :-)


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
 
  Barry is talking about the larger situation, not 
  Chopra in particular, and Judy knows it.
 
 Barry was talking about the larger situation in
 the context of the Chopra flap. I pointed out that
 it didn't apply in the case of the TMO and Chopra.
 
 Barry spent his entire next long post trying to
 show how that the TMO said one thing publicly
 but did quite another in private with regard
 to Chopra, accusing me of attempting to cover
 this up.
 
 Except that I had just showed that there was
 nothing to cover up. Nobody pretends the TMO's
 split with Chopra resulted in all smiles 
 between them (hugheshugo's phrase), least of
 all me. I said explicitly that the TMO viewed
 him as a threat to the purity of the teaching.
 
  In fact, that's why she's trying to *distract* 
  from the larger situation, and try to make it all 
  about Chopra
 
 No, Barry, I'm using Chopra as a springboard to
 make it all about *you* and your penchant for
 dishonesty and hypocrisy--the larger situation,
 you might say.
 
 My original observation didn't even call your 
 rant against the TMO in question. But you couldn't
 stand my pointing out that it didn't apply to
 Chopra, so you decided to attack me. That's when
 it became all about you.
 
 You're your own worst enemy.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak Chopra and Mike Myers on Sundance Channel

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
 
  In fact, that's why she's trying to *distract* 
  from the larger situation, and try to make it all 
  about Chopra
 
 No, Barry, I'm using Chopra as a springboard to
 make it all about *you* and your penchant for
 dishonesty and hypocrisy--the larger situation,
 you might say.

Thank you for finally admitting that your
whole approach to dealing with criticism
of Maharishi, TM, and the TMO is to attempt
to kill the messenger and portray the
critic as dishonest.

You're not usually this forthcoming about
what you are trying to do, even though most
people here are aware of it anyway. It must
be the late hour. I'd get some sleep if I
were you, before you admit to anything else.

:-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak Chopra and Mike Myers on Sundance Channel

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ 
wrote:
  
   In fact, that's why she's trying to *distract* 
   from the larger situation, and try to make it all 
   about Chopra
  
  No, Barry, I'm using Chopra as a springboard to
  make it all about *you* and your penchant for
  dishonesty and hypocrisy--the larger situation,
  you might say.
 
 Thank you for finally admitting that your
 whole approach to dealing with criticism
 of Maharishi, TM, and the TMO is to attempt
 to kill the messenger and portray the
 critic as dishonest.

Just the dishonest critics, Barry. Especially
the dishonest critics who are not just dishonest
about the TMO but about practically everything.
And I'd be after them no matter what they were
talking about.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak Chopra and Mike Myers on Sundance Channel

[hugheshugo]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



 
  Another example, Peter Wright wrote the book on TM that 
  got me interested, but mention his name and you get a 
  comment like we don't recommend that book because he 
  isn't into TM anymore which is stupid enough as it is 
  but the reason he's another persona non grata is 
  because he described MMY as one guru among many. 
 
 If you're speaking of Peter McWilliams, he committed
 an even greater sin. He actually *preferred* one
 of the other gurus over Maharishi. Can't have that. :-)
 
 But the amazing thing is what you mention above. His
 book *no longer has value* because he's no longer on
 our side, one of us. Same with Chopra's books.
 
 The cultists don't really think this *through*. What
 it implies is that the books *never* had any value.
 
  That's it, that's all it was. The cultmaniacs in the TMO 
  see this as a betrayal. 
 
 And it's all because of the bottom-line marketing
 approach used by Maharishi since Day One, that TM
 is the best.
 
 That is *so* much the *foundation* of everything TM
 that anything that challenges this idea just Cannot
 Be Allowed.


I just checked my bookshelf, the book was The TM Technique by Peter 
Russell, I thought it was a thorough, positive and very clearly 
written introduction to MMY, his background, teachings and the early 
research into TM and I used to recommend it to anyone. And they don't 
want you to read it! How stupid is that!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak Chopra and Mike Myers on Sundance Channel

[do.rflex]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ 
  wrote:
  Snip And it's all because of the bottom-line marketing
   approach used by Maharishi since Day One, that TM
   is the best.
   
   That is *so* much the *foundation* of everything TM
   that anything that challenges this idea just Cannot
   Be Allowed.
  
  You are spending a lot of time here describing the symptoms 
  of what is essentially a natural phenomenon; the critical 
  mass of any entity as it grows, encourages exclusivity. 
 
 And you're being a TM toady.  :-)
 
  Try working for General Motors and driviong a Ford to work, 
  for example. Or put up a sign at work declaring that your 
  competitor is just as good. Just The Way Things Work, dude. 
  If you want to ascribe nefarious intent to it, fine, but 
  you've got countless targets to go after. 
 
 Give me time.  :-)  Right now I'm focusing on 
 just one of them.
 
 Your argument seems to be that there is *not*
 nefarious intent involved in these actions.
 There clearly is. And you're trying to down-
 play it. 
 
  So the question to you becomes, why are you focused on 
  Maharishi and the TMO when you could choose *anybody* or 
  *anything*? 
 
 Duh. Could it possibly be because this is a 
 TM-oriented forum, not one with much interest
 in Ford?  :-)
 
  Why does Barry focus on the TMO and Maharishi, when he 
  has entire countries, organizations, corporations, and 
  yes, even billions of people to choose from? 
 
 One could as easily ask, Why does Jim spend
 so much time *defending* Maharishi and the TMO
 and claiming that the stupid or even illegal
 stuff they do is 'no different from what many
 people do?'
 
  Looks somewhat obsessive from my perspective.
 
 As do your compulsive defenses of Maharishi and
 the TMO from my perspective.
 
 Not to mention the substance of them. If the
 best you can come up with is the playground 
 comeback, Yeah, but they do it, too, you're
 on pretty weak ground, dude.
 
 Isn't the whole premise of Maharishi's vision
 that TM is supposed to lead to enlightened
 behavior? That it's supposed to enable its
 long-time followers to act in accord with the
 laws of nature and do nothing that is harmful?
 
 Where's the beef, dude? 
 
 You're trying to say that the claim is real
 when the very organization that makes the claim
 fails to live up to its predictions. 
 
 It's a *great* deal like saying that you are
 able to have perfect knowledge of things while
 making dumb and stupid mistakes all the time
 about things you *could* have looked up, but
 don't because you don't need to. 
 
 But wait...there's a perfect explanation for
 that one, too. Just claim that other enlightened
 beings in the past made stuff up and claimed that
 it was true because they'd cognized it. Then
 you could use the Yeah, but they do it, too
 argument again.
 
 :-)


If Jim is really an example of 'enlightenment' it shows me that
'enlightened' people can still be sycophantic, biased, amoral colossal
assholes.

He certainly comes off pretty much the opposite of what I'm familiar
with and aspire to in Guru Dev.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak Chopra and Mike Myers on Sundance Channel

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ 
 wrote:
   
In fact, that's why she's trying to *distract* 
from the larger situation, and try to make it all 
about Chopra
   
   No, Barry, I'm using Chopra as a springboard to
   make it all about *you* and your penchant for
   dishonesty and hypocrisy--the larger situation,
   you might say.
  
  Thank you for finally admitting that your
  whole approach to dealing with criticism
  of Maharishi, TM, and the TMO is to attempt
  to kill the messenger and portray the
  critic as dishonest.
 
 Just the dishonest critics, Barry. Especially
 the dishonest critics who are not just dishonest
 about the TMO but about practically everything.
 And I'd be after them no matter what they were
 talking about.

And on that note, Judy is out for the rest of the 
week. By my count, anyway, just confirmed in Yahoo
Message View.

Like shooting fish in a barrel.

That's the thing about those who consider themselves
superior to the people they look down upon. They're
easy marks. The folks they look down on can wind 
them up the way Rev. Gene Scott used to wind up his 
toy monkeys, and get them to do pretty much what we 
want them to do.

It's like that scene in Who Framed Roger Rabbit where
Judge Doom knows that Roger is hiding, so he knocks
on the wall and does the first part of Shave and a
haircut...

Roger leaps out of hiding, and shouts, Two bits!

He *has* to. He's a toon. He can't help himself. It's
just in his nature to *have* to respond when someone
knocks out Shave and a haircut... He *has* to leap
out and shout Two bits!, even if doing so is stupid.

That's the way Judy is. *Any* of us who have her number
(me, Vaj, Rick, Curtis, Sal, a few others) could make 
her foul out on posts pretty much any time we wanted,
just by posting our version of Shave and a haircut... 
Rick's too polite to do it, and Sal doesn't bother, but
the other three of us do it for fun every so often, and
to force Judy to demonstrate her toon-ness.

In my case, all I have to do is post anything even 
mildly critical of TM or Maharishi or the TMO, and 
she's off shouting her version of Two bits!, which 
is usually along the lines of Liar! or Phony! or
Dishonest! or Predator!  Oops, sorry...that last
one was Edg's toon tune, not Judy's.  :-)

And the funny thing is, she feels *good* about being
manipulated in this way. She actually feels that she's
scoring points every time one of us suckers her 
into playing Kill The Messenger. 

Maybe she is. Maybe there actually are a few people
out there in FFL-land who *don't* see through this
Kill The Messenger routine she learned from Maharishi
and from the TMO and, like her, *believe* that she's
scoring points. If so, they're probably the same ones
who believe that her recent attempt to borrow posts
so that she could respond with more than her allotted
share of Two bits! posts believed that it was for
the benefit of others on this forum besides herself.  :-)

But she's down for the week, so no more Two bits!
kneejerk posts from Judy this week. 

Unless she really can't help herself, that is. For all
we know, she's *still* up reading FFL compulsively at
7:00 AM her time, afraid to go to sleep out of fear 
that I or one of the people she considers enemies 
might say something about her that would stand without 
one of her rebuttals for several hours. Or in this 
case, for several *days*. It must *kill* her, and leave
her chewing her lip and quivering like Roger Rabbit
in his hiding place in the movie. And the audience is 
waiting to see what she'll do. Will she overcome her 
need to leap out and say Two bits! to *this* post, 
even though she's used up all her posts for the week, 
or will she give into it?

Let's see. Shave and a haircut...

[FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak Chopra and Mike Myers on Sundance Channel

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
 I AM *NOT* TALKING ABOUT DEEPAK CHOPRA
 PER SE. I AM TALKING ABOUT A DECADES-
 OLD TENDENCY IN THE TMO TO ACTIVELY
 TRASH PEOPLE WHO HAVE WALKED AWAY.
 
 Now that that's said, let's see whether Judy
 will actually address any of the points I
 brought up *about* this tendency, and any 
 of the common techniques used to practice it.

In the first place, they're not techniques
that are practiced. In the second place, the
tendency is just about universal, as Jim pointed
out to you.

In the third place, sometimes the trashing is
justified. In a case where there has been real
betrayal, it would be hypocritical to pretend
there were no hard feelings.

And in the fourth place, as with almost all
Barry's anti-TMO rants, none of his points are
new; they've been discussed to death here and
in other TM-related forums.

[FairfieldLife] OT: Warum?

[cardemaister]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKKGxNzJnqQ

Sung by Estonian Miliza Korjus
Lyrics by Goethe  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak Chopra and Mike Myers on Sundance Channel

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
 snip
  I AM *NOT* TALKING ABOUT DEEPAK CHOPRA
  PER SE. I AM TALKING ABOUT A DECADES-
  OLD TENDENCY IN THE TMO TO ACTIVELY
  TRASH PEOPLE WHO HAVE WALKED AWAY.
  
  Now that that's said, let's see whether Judy
  will actually address any of the points I
  brought up *about* this tendency, and any 
  of the common techniques used to practice it.
 
 In the first place, they're not techniques
 that are practiced. In the second place, the
 tendency is just about universal, as Jim pointed
 out to you.
 
 In the third place, sometimes the trashing is
 justified. In a case where there has been real
 betrayal, it would be hypocritical to pretend
 there were no hard feelings.
 
 And in the fourth place, as with almost all
 Barry's anti-TMO rants, none of his points are
 new; they've been discussed to death here and
 in other TM-related forums.

Spain is known to be a rather boring place for foreigners who often 
take do drinking and doing nothing. Well known phenomenon.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak Chopra and Mike Myers on Sundance Channel

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 He certainly comes off pretty much the opposite of what I'm familiar
 with and aspire to in Guru Dev.

This place is filled up with experts in so many fields I have to laugh. 
Now this do.rflex: The Great Expert On All Things Related to Guru Dev 
with whom he is totally familiar, I'm sure  ;-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Academy of Total Knowledge

[mainstream20016]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 
 mainstream20016@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ 
 wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ 
   wrote:
   
This is the typical f*cked approach of the TMO/MMY. No
building on strength of current, established
institutions. Just start from scratch with the fantasy
and when it utterly fails...WHICH IT WILL... just
blame low consciousness or some such nonsense


   
   
   
   This is a real small operation, with a small client base (namely, 
   parents who have problem children they want to ship off to 
 school), 
   so it's unlikely to fail,
  
 
 
 
 
  It's unlikely to ever actually exist.   
  
  
 
 
 
 Much of the facility, classrooms, gym, and admin bldgs, is already 
 built (the site used to be Hawthorne College), and I can't see any 
 reason why the lokels or state of New Hump would not let them open 
 the school, so it's virtually a done deal -- they just throw up a few 
 manufactured MSV dorms...altho they are likely to have fewer than 400 
 students for some time, but there will certainly be enough parents 
 who are looking for a good alternative to a military school that will 
 support a small boarding school here:
 
 http://tinyurl.com/yr7y8d
 

from the article:
A September 2006 proposal to build a medical college never got off the ground.


 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
   it'll just be a perpetually small school, 
   since few kids or parents want this option, and take it only out 
 of 
   desperation as a substitute for sending the little monster off to 
   military school. 
   
   MSAE is a successful prep school, but does not require that young 
   children leave their parents and go off to boarding school, an 
 option 
   which few 'rents want for their rug rats.
   
   
   
--- Dick Mays dickmays@ wrote:

 Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 10:22:30 -0600
 Subject: Invincible America: Maharishi Academy of
 Total Knowledge
 From: Invincible America
 maillist@
 
 
 
 High School for Leadership
 Coming Fall 2008
 
 The Maharishi Academy of Total Knowledge-High 
 School for Leadership, will be the first college 
 preparatory boarding school for boys, grades 
 9-12, in the US, which will offer 
 Consciousness-Based education. Maharishi Academy 
 is now accepting applications for the Fall term 
 2008.
 
 Features of Maharishi Academy:
 
 Stress-free learning environment that is dynamic, 
 creative, inspiring, and enjoyable;
 Test results show that students who participate 
 in Consciousness-BasedSM education typically 
 score in the top 1% nationally and 95% of 
 graduates are accepted to four-year colleges-an 
 exceptional record of achievement;
 Consciousness-Based education promotes optimal 
 learning and balanced brain development where no 
 student will fail;
 Total Knowledge curriculum will be 
 unsurpassed-all disciplines are connected back to 
 the student making learning easy and meaningful;
 Campus will be smoke-, alcohol-, bullying-, and
 drug-free;
 Meals will emphasize organic, vegetarian, fresh
 foods;
 Maharishi Academy graduates will be the next 
 generation of world leaders, each in his chosen 
 field of endeavor.
 
 
 Maharishi Academy is located in a beautiful 
 setting in the hills and forests of Antrim, New 
 Hampshire.
 
 
 The new residence halls, classrooms, and 
 administration buildings, will be built according 
 to the ancient principles of Vedic architecture, 
 Maharishi Sthapatya Veda, to promote the health, 
 happiness, and the well-being of the residents.
 
 
 
 Maharishi Academy will have a rigorous college 
 preparatory curriculum formulated from the most 
 advanced knowledge of our age in each discipline 
 and directly connected to the students' personal 
 experience of pure consciousness in their daily 
 practice of the Transcendental Meditation® (TM) 
 technique and TM-Sidhi® program.
 
 Visit us:

http://www.maharishiacademy.netwww.maharishiacademy.net
 Call: 603.588.0400
 Email:

mailto:info@info@
 
 Maharishi Academy of Total Knowledge is an Equal 
 Opportunity Institution. © 2007 by Maharishi 
 Academy of Total Knowledge. All rights reserved.
 
 ® Transcendental Meditation, TM, TM-Sidhi, 
 Maharishi Transcendental Meditation, 
 Transcendental Meditation-Sidhi, 
 Consciousness-Based, Maharishi Vedic University, 
  are registered or common law trademarks licensed 
 to Maharishi Vedic Education Development 
 Corporation and used under sublicense.
 
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Academy of Total Knowledge

[Peter]

--- george_deforest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Peter wrote:
 This is the typical f*cked approach of the
 TMO/MMY. No
 building on strength of current, established
 institutions. Just start from scratch with
 the fantasy
 and when it utterly fails...WHICH IT WILL...
 just
 blame low consciousness or some such
 nonsense
  
   It's unlikely to ever actually exist.   
  
  Bob Brigante wrote:
  Much of the facility, classrooms, gym, and admin
 bldgs, is already 
  built (the site used to be Hawthorne College), and
 I can't see any 
  reason why the lokels or state of New Hump would
 not let them open 
  the school, so it's virtually a done deal ...
  
  http://tinyurl.com/yr7y8d
 
 if i remember right, the early jyotish program and
 the now defunct Enlightenment Magazine, were
 both produced in this Antrim NH; dont know if they
 were
 using these same buildings or not, but i think TMO
 has been in that town for some decades already.

And what is the demand for this sort of school?
Probably zilch. This is just another whack idea
somebody had and pitched to MMY. MMY/TMO are always
ditching and finding new girlfriends.



 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Academy of Total Knowledge

[Peter]

--- mainstream20016 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
 mainstream20016 
  mainstream20016@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
 bob_brigante no_reply@ 
  wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter
 drpetersutphen@ 
wrote:

 This is the typical f*cked approach of the
 TMO/MMY. No
 building on strength of current, established
 institutions. Just start from scratch with
 the fantasy
 and when it utterly fails...WHICH IT WILL...
 just
 blame low consciousness or some such
 nonsense
 
 



This is a real small operation, with a small
 client base (namely, 
parents who have problem children they want to
 ship off to 
  school), 
so it's unlikely to fail,
   
  
  
  
  
   It's unlikely to ever actually exist.   
   
   
  
  
  
  Much of the facility, classrooms, gym, and admin
 bldgs, is already 
  built (the site used to be Hawthorne College), and
 I can't see any 
  reason why the lokels or state of New Hump would
 not let them open 
  the school, so it's virtually a done deal -- they
 just throw up a few 
  manufactured MSV dorms...altho they are likely to
 have fewer than 400 
  students for some time, but there will certainly
 be enough parents 
  who are looking for a good alternative to a
 military school that will 
  support a small boarding school here:
  
  http://tinyurl.com/yr7y8d
  
 
 from the article:
 A September 2006 proposal to build a medical
 college never got off the ground.

What a pathetic waste of time and resources. 400
students? Right! To be equal in quality to Exeter and
St. Pauls? Right! What are they planning to pay the
faculty, $100 per month? One reason these things never
work is that they are started by people that don't
have a clue how to run a business, or in this case a
school. Why not pour these resources back into MUM?




 
 
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
it'll just be a perpetually small school, 
since few kids or parents want this option,
 and take it only out 
  of 
desperation as a substitute for sending the
 little monster off to 
military school. 

MSAE is a successful prep school, but does not
 require that young 
children leave their parents and go off to
 boarding school, an 
  option 
which few 'rents want for their rug rats.



 --- Dick Mays dickmays@ wrote:
 
  Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 10:22:30 -0600
  Subject: Invincible America: Maharishi
 Academy of
  Total Knowledge
  From: Invincible America
  maillist@
  
  
  
  High School for Leadership
  Coming Fall 2008
  
  The Maharishi Academy of Total
 Knowledge-High 
  School for Leadership, will be the first
 college 
  preparatory boarding school for boys,
 grades 
  9-12, in the US, which will offer 
  Consciousness-Based education. Maharishi
 Academy 
  is now accepting applications for the Fall
 term 
  2008.
  
  Features of Maharishi Academy:
  
  Stress-free learning environment that is
 dynamic, 
  creative, inspiring, and enjoyable;
  Test results show that students who
 participate 
  in Consciousness-BasedSM education
 typically 
  score in the top 1% nationally and 95% of 
  graduates are accepted to four-year
 colleges-an 
  exceptional record of achievement;
  Consciousness-Based education promotes
 optimal 
  learning and balanced brain development
 where no 
  student will fail;
  Total Knowledge curriculum will be 
  unsurpassed-all disciplines are connected
 back to 
  the student making learning easy and
 meaningful;
  Campus will be smoke-, alcohol-,
 bullying-, and
  drug-free;
  Meals will emphasize organic, vegetarian,
 fresh
  foods;
  Maharishi Academy graduates will be the
 next 
  generation of world leaders, each in his
 chosen 
  field of endeavor.
  
  
  Maharishi Academy is located in a
 beautiful 
  setting in the hills and forests of
 Antrim, New 
  Hampshire.
  
  
  The new residence halls, classrooms, and 
  administration buildings, will be built
 according 
  to the ancient principles of Vedic
 architecture, 
  Maharishi Sthapatya Veda, to promote the
 health, 
  happiness, and the well-being of the
 residents.
  
  
  
  Maharishi Academy will have a rigorous
 college 
  preparatory curriculum formulated from the
 most 
  advanced knowledge of our age in each
 discipline 
  and directly connected to the students'
 personal 
  experience of pure consciousness in their
 daily 
  practice of the Transcendental Meditation®
 (TM) 
  technique and TM-Sidhi® program.
  
  Visit us:
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak Chopra and Mike Myers on Sundance Channel

[do.rflex]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote:
 
  He certainly comes off pretty much the opposite of what I'm familiar
  with and aspire to in Guru Dev.
 
 This place is filled up with experts in so many fields I have to laugh. 
 Now this do.rflex: The Great Expert On All Things Related to Guru Dev 
 with whom he is totally familiar, I'm sure  ;-)


Uh... speaking of experts, when will you provide the references to
your claim that Trotakacharya of the Holy Tradition was a murderer,
Mr. Nablussos?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak Chopra and Mike Myers on Sundance Channel

[do.rflex]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
  snip
   I AM *NOT* TALKING ABOUT DEEPAK CHOPRA
   PER SE. I AM TALKING ABOUT A DECADES-
   OLD TENDENCY IN THE TMO TO ACTIVELY
   TRASH PEOPLE WHO HAVE WALKED AWAY.
   
   Now that that's said, let's see whether Judy
   will actually address any of the points I
   brought up *about* this tendency, and any 
   of the common techniques used to practice it.
  
  In the first place, they're not techniques
  that are practiced. In the second place, the
  tendency is just about universal, as Jim pointed
  out to you.
  
  In the third place, sometimes the trashing is
  justified. In a case where there has been real
  betrayal, it would be hypocritical to pretend
  there were no hard feelings.
  
  And in the fourth place, as with almost all
  Barry's anti-TMO rants, none of his points are
  new; they've been discussed to death here and
  in other TM-related forums.
 
 Spain is known to be a rather boring place for foreigners who often 
 take do drinking and doing nothing. Well known phenomenon.


Well known to whom? Do you have solid evidence of this or are you just
making stuff up, like you did about Trotakacharya having been a murderer? 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak Chopra and Mike Myers on Sundance Channel

[Vaj]

On Nov 13, 2007, at 1:57 AM, shempmcgurk wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 shempmcgurk wrote:
  Well, then, it should be very easy for you to document other
teachers
  from India -- aside from ones that learned under MMY, such as
Chopra
  and SSRS -- who also taught a program with the same unique
  characteristics as TM, specifically, its effortlessness, easy,
and
  non-requirement of belief.
 
  Could you list them for us, please?
 
 I already listed Sivananda. What more do you want? Some of these
 things were in books I read years ago including before I did TM.
Bet
 you don't remember what books you read in the 1970s. But as I
come
 across them I'll list them. AND I said that TM has NO UNIQUE
 characteristics other than not using OM and it has been claimed
there
 were other sects that did that but I'm not aware of any at the
moment.
 If I come across that information I'll share it. But I'm a little
busy
 with a new toy right now. :)

In other words, you have zero evidence to back up what you claim.

Just as I thought.



The uniqueness lie was put to rest here years ago, but that's not  
to say there aren't some non-uniqueness deniers still out there Shemp.


No matter how many times you show the evidence to TB's, they still go  
back to their basic TMO programming, as the uniqueness lie is a  
central deception in the TM cult and a TM initiate is imprinted with  
all sorts of programming to hide that fact. After all, if it was not  
unique, who'd want to get ripped off for 3000 bucks for a mantra  
merely dispensed by puja!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak Chopra and Mike Myers on Sundance Channel

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote:
 
  Spain is known to be a rather boring place for foreigners 
  who often take do drinking and doing nothing. Well known 
  phenomenon.
 
 Well known to whom? Do you have solid evidence of this or 
 are you just making stuff up, like you did about Trotakacharya 
 having been a murderer?

Well, I'm pretty sure that Nabby was just making
it up, but he's not that far off the mark when it
comes to *some* foreigners who move to Spain. :-)

In my case, even though I write in bars and about
bars a lot, I don't actually drink very much, 
because at my age I can't get away with it. For-
tunately, in Spain there is no stigma about 
sitting in bars and drinking Perrier or sipping
on the same glass of beer or wine for hours, so
I fit in. Strangely, it is actually more common
to see people drinking *non* alcoholic beverages
at bars and cafes than alcoholic ones. It could
be the heat; drink alcohol during the day or even
on hot summer nights and you'll be fast asleep
before the fun starts.

As for doing nothing, I'd be willing to bet that
my nothing earns me at least 10X more money per
month than Nabby makes as a photographer. It
certainly earns me more than 10X the average 
salary in Spain. 

If I were a God freak I'd say Thank God for the
Internet and the ability to work using it, but
since I'm not I'll just thank Maharishi for it.
I'm pretty sure that sooner or later Nabby will
get around to claiming that Maharishi invented
both.  

:-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: OT: Warum?

[cardemaister]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKKGxNzJnqQ
 
 Sung by Estonian Miliza Korjus
 Lyrics by Goethe


Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

Warum gabst du uns die tiefen Blicke ...

Warum gabst du uns die tiefen Blicke, 
unsre Zukunft ahndungsvoll zu schaun, 
unsrer Liebe, unsrem Erdenglücke 
wähnend selig nimmer hinzutraun? 
Warum gabst uns, Schicksal, die Gefühle, 
uns einander in das Herz zu sehn, 
um durch all die seltenen Gewühle 
unser wahr Verhältnis auszuspähn? 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak Chopra and Mike Myers on Sundance Channel

[Vaj]

On Nov 13, 2007, at 5:28 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:


Barry is talking about the larger situation, not
Chopra in particular, and Judy knows it.

In fact, that's why she's trying to *distract*
from the larger situation, and try to make it all
about Chopra, even though I clearly said at the
beginning of my comments that I knew nothing about
him and couldn't care less about him. I used Chopra
as a springboard to talk about a larger subject --
the cult tendencies of the TM movement and how they
manifest when someone walks away.

THAT is what Judy is attempting to distract people
from. She doesn't LIKE it when someone brings up
the cult nature of the TMO.


What would be interesting and truly instructive would be for some  
researcher, to go thru, step by step, the basic TM initiation process  
and not only show it's cult indoctrination methods, but at the same  
time it's deceitful use of marketing tactics and flawed / biased  
research to indoctrinate and foster a belief (or beliefs) that are  
difficult to step out of once one accepts the lies. Merely pointing  
out the lies to TB's (or in some cases, even casual users) often  
provokes endless counter-posting and gymnastics to try to side-step  
the obvious. Various smoke-screens and obfuscation tactics are common  
in the knee-jerk reaction that inevitably follows.


However since TM is a dying path and lineage, I doubt there would be  
many interested in doing so.


At the same time it would be important to show where the basic TM  
lies are (i.e. the uniqueness lie, the effortless lie, the fastest  
boat lie, etc , etc.), why they are false and give informed perspective.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak Chopra and Mike Myers on Sundance Channel

[boo_lives]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, suziezuzie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 I heard from a govenor back in 1996 while on a walk along the 
 Mediteranian Coast in Israel, that Chopra had gone to MMY and asked 
 his opinion on starting an organization in San Diego, California. 
 According to this govenor, MMY was against the whole idea and 
 discouraged him from going ahead with it. Chopra reported this to his 
 business partner who was going to finance the operation and the 
 partner got pissed off and gave Chopra a time limit to decide. So 
 Chopra decided and went off on his own. He wasn't kicked out of the 
 TMO. This was his personal decision. 

If a woman leaves her abusive husband after yrs of getting beat up,
was it her personal decision or did she get kicked out or something
else?  Abused is too strong a word to use in chopra's situation, but
bevan and all the other idiot jealous insiders were thrilled when the
mov'ts most successful and intelligent marketer, by far, left.

The other issue here is the mov't's view that any practice must have
the words Maharishi in front of it or else it's dangerous and you're
no longer in the mov't if you consider it.  The mov't should have
been happy that chopra was considering partnering with a respected
mainstream medical facility to study alternative medicine with an
emphasis on ayurveda, but because that facility would certainly want
to investigate other practices beside maharishi ayurveda, then MMY and
the mov't goes crazy and forces him to make a choice, either with us
or against us.  

Basically the movt is a sales organization not a knowledge
organization -- that's the problem.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak Chopra and Mike Myers on Sundance Channel

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 If I were a God freak I'd say Thank God for the
 Internet and the ability to work using it, but
 since I'm not I'll just thank Maharishi for it.
 I'm pretty sure that sooner or later Nabby will
 get around to claiming that Maharishi invented
 both.  
 
 :-)

Since you are on that kind of game Barry, 10x the average in Spain 
can't mean much Spain being one of the poorest nations in Europe.

Keep bragging, few are listening anyway.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak Chopra and Mike Myers on Sundance Channel

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Well known to whom? Do you have solid evidence of this 

If you'd bother to read statistics you would, but you are probably to 
lazy anyway. Spain has a very high ex-pat population with alcohol 
problems since they have nothing useful to do and since alcohol is very 
cheap compared to where they came from, for example Scandinavia, 
Britain and Germany. 

BTW, could you pick out those areas on a map do.rflex ? ;-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak Chopra and Mike Myers on Sundance Channel

[jim_flanegin]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 If Jim is really an example of 'enlightenment' it shows me that
 'enlightened' people can still be sycophantic, biased, amoral 
colossal
 assholes.

And it shows me John that you are full of condemnation and judgment.
 
 He certainly comes off pretty much the opposite of what I'm familiar
 with and aspire to in Guru Dev.

Yes, excellent lesson then-- continue to devote yourself to Guru Dev, 
but don't just talk about it.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak Chopra and Mike Myers on Sundance Channel

[jim_flanegin]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
snip Isn't the whole premise of Maharishi's vision
 that TM is supposed to lead to enlightened
 behavior? 

Never heard that one.

That it's supposed to enable its
 long-time followers to act in accord with the
 laws of nature and do nothing that is harmful?

Not just long time followers. Immediate improvement.

 Where's the beef, dude? 

Good question!!
 
 You're trying to say that the claim is real
 when the very organization that makes the claim
 fails to live up to its predictions. 

Really?? Please quote me on this entire conclusion.
 
 It's a *great* deal like saying that you are
 able to have perfect knowledge of things while
 making dumb and stupid mistakes all the time
 about things you *could* have looked up, but
 don't because you don't need to. 

Huh? you've lost me on that one. Sounds like you would like your 
fleeting and unstable judgments of me to be the gold standard by 
which I judge myself. 
 
 But wait...there's a perfect explanation for
 that one, too. Just claim that other enlightened
 beings in the past made stuff up and claimed that
 it was true because they'd cognized it. Then
 you could use the Yeah, but they do it, too
 argument again.

You still sound obsessed Barry. On the other hand, I am not sure I 
wrote what I said under either the influence of a minor realization 
(10% probability), New Age bullshit (95% probability), or mood-
making (95% probability)...lol

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Academy of Total Knowledge

[boo_lives]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 --- george_deforest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   Peter wrote:
  This is the typical f*cked approach of the
  TMO/MMY. No
  building on strength of current, established
  institutions. Just start from scratch with
  the fantasy
  and when it utterly fails...WHICH IT WILL...
  just
  blame low consciousness or some such
  nonsense
   
It's unlikely to ever actually exist.   
   
   Bob Brigante wrote:
   Much of the facility, classrooms, gym, and admin
  bldgs, is already 
   built (the site used to be Hawthorne College), and
  I can't see any 
   reason why the lokels or state of New Hump would
  not let them open 
   the school, so it's virtually a done deal ...

The tmo has inaugerated 1000s and 1000s of schools over the years,
none of which actually exist now except for MUM, because paying
students not buildings is the key to a done deal.  There are no real
teachers or students here and never will be.

If you examine the tmo's financial filings, you'll see they buy lots
of real estate, hold it and then sell it for a profit when the timing
is right.  In between they do all sorts of silly talk about ideal
schools etc to keep the the faithful inspired and donating money to
capitalize new real estate business later.

[FairfieldLife] Sumptin' for us brahmacaarins?

[cardemaister]

Nora Kuzma at her best?  ;)

http://tinyurl.com/257x65

[FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak Chopra and Mike Myers on Sundance Channel

[Richard J. Williams]

Vaj wrote:
 At the same time it would be important to show where 
 the basic TM lies are (i.e. the uniqueness lie, the 
 effortless lie, the fastest boat lie, etc , etc.), why 
 they are false and give informed perspective.

Well, it has already been established that Yoga (TM) 
is unique to India; that knowing the Self is effortless,
according Brahmananda Saraswati; that Self Knowledge
with Raja Yoga is the fastest boat - none of these
statements are false. Patanjali, Shankara, Ramanuja, 
Madhva, Vallabha, and Chaitanya all agree on this. All 
the Upanishadic thinkers were transcendentalists.

What is important is why you'd want to deny this, and
why you don't offer any informed perspective, other
than to just spout off all the time with your know-it-
all attitude. What's up with that?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Academy of Total Knowledge

[Richard J. Williams]

boo wrote:
 The tmo has inaugerated 1000s and 1000s of 
 schools over the years, none of which actually 
 exist now except for MUM...

Not sure about the 1000s and 1000s, but if you
look at the following list you'll see that there are
very many TMO programs and schools that are active,
including one that has won numerous awards.

http://www.idealgirlsschool.org/ 

From what I've read, the Maharishi Schools in India 
have the largest enrollment of any private or public 
schools in the country.

http://www.maharishividyamandir.com/

If you were to count the organzations of the Sri Sri
and the Depackage, I'd say that Maharishi probably
has established the most popular yoga program on the
entire planet. 

http://www.rwilliams.us/resources/

[FairfieldLife] TM and Improved Behavior

[new . morning]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ 
 wrote:
 snip Isn't the whole premise of Maharishi's vision
  that TM is supposed to lead to enlightened
  behavior? 
 
 Never heard that one.
 


I don't know if you are simply parsing words, Jim -- in that MMY did
not as I recall, use the term enlightened behavior as much as many
others which signify improved action and behavior in all contexts of
life from the practice of TM etc. A few among them:

- improved social behavior was 1/4 of the entire SIMS intro lecture
format. Improved action -- based on fuller mental potential -- was
another 1/4. 
- being in-tune with all the laws of nature
- acting from the home of all the laws of nature
- being established in the constitution of the universe
- acting with grace
- improed deservabily resulting from ones behavior 
- infinitely flexible action and behavior
- acting from a level of overflowing fulfillment
- being able to give in all social interactions
- acting from an ocean of love
- spontaneously providing life-supporting influence on all around him
- even that blood relatives would gain benefit and their lives would
improve
- radiating bliss in ones actions
- 100's of scientific charts and studies often alluded to regarding
improved behavior fir many different benchmarks.
- improved compassion and empathy
 
I think the list could fill many pages.

Since enlightenment in his view and teachings is the living emodiment
of these qualities, the culmination of their fuller, if not full
growth, then the concept, if not the words, enlightened behavior
certainly have a strong context in the TMO. (Though I would not choose
to use the term in that it, in its present usage, becomes quite nebulous.)

You never heard MMY speak of any of this, improved behavior through
TM? Or are you simply parsing words?

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Improved Behavior

[jim_flanegin]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ 
wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ 
  wrote:
  snip Isn't the whole premise of Maharishi's vision
   that TM is supposed to lead to enlightened
   behavior? 
  
  Never heard that one.
  
 
 
 I don't know if you are simply parsing words, Jim -- in that MMY 
did
 not as I recall, use the term enlightened behavior as much as 
many
 others which signify improved action and behavior in all contexts 
of
 life from the practice of TM etc. A few among them:
 
 - improved social behavior was 1/4 of the entire SIMS intro 
lecture
 format. Improved action -- based on fuller mental potential -- was
 another 1/4. 
 - being in-tune with all the laws of nature
 - acting from the home of all the laws of nature
 - being established in the constitution of the universe
 - acting with grace
 - improed deservabily resulting from ones behavior 
 - infinitely flexible action and behavior
 - acting from a level of overflowing fulfillment
 - being able to give in all social interactions
 - acting from an ocean of love
 - spontaneously providing life-supporting influence on all around 
him
 - even that blood relatives would gain benefit and their lives 
would
 improve
 - radiating bliss in ones actions
 - 100's of scientific charts and studies often alluded to regarding
 improved behavior fir many different benchmarks.
 - improved compassion and empathy
  
 I think the list could fill many pages.
 
 Since enlightenment in his view and teachings is the living 
emodiment
 of these qualities, the culmination of their fuller, if not full
 growth, then the concept, if not the words, enlightened behavior
 certainly have a strong context in the TMO. (Though I would not 
choose
 to use the term in that it, in its present usage, becomes quite 
nebulous.)
 
 You never heard MMY speak of any of this, improved behavior through
 TM? Or are you simply parsing words?

I detest that expression enlightened behavior because it attempts 
to signify a state which is all about eternal, universal immortal 
freedom and categorize it so that the dualistic mind can make it 
comprehensible.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak Chopra and Mike Myers on Sundance Channel

[Vaj]

On Nov 13, 2007, at 10:47 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:


Vaj wrote:
 At the same time it would be important to show where
 the basic TM lies are (i.e. the uniqueness lie, the
 effortless lie, the fastest boat lie, etc , etc.), why
 they are false and give informed perspective.

Well, it has already been established that Yoga (TM)
is unique to India; that knowing the Self is effortless,
according Brahmananda Saraswati; that Self Knowledge
with Raja Yoga is the fastest boat - none of these
statements are false. Patanjali, Shankara, Ramanuja,
Madhva, Vallabha, and Chaitanya all agree on this. All
the Upanishadic thinkers were transcendentalists.


If you believe those living under bridges.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak Chopra and Mike Myers on Sundance Channel

[Angela Mailander]

If you call it yoga then it is unique to India.  But then, yoga can be 
translated in various ways into English, and so after that the question becomes 
Is yoga unique to India in all the possible meanings of the word yoga  with 
which we can render it into English? It is clear (almost a priori [because 
there is such a thing as a transcendental signified]) that there will be some 
renderings of yoga which are not unique to India.  Union, for example, (with 
God, with Self, with Nature, with whatever it is we cannot quite name that is 
the basis of our awareness of an I am) is prolly common to all that lives 
and, according to Rory (and me on occasion) all that IS anywhere, anytime, in 
any universe of its own discourse and ours ever expanding in the bosom of 
God, as Blake would have put it. Blake had, maybe, seen a translation of the 
Gita.  Yet he was as expert a yogi as any India has produced.   (which can be 
argued about even longer than the question of why  deepak
 left). 

So now, after the amazing sentence about Union that apparently came outa my 
ass, we'd have to determine which renderings of the word yoga we shall call 
uniquely Indian and which ones are universal.  

a



Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   
Vaj wrote:
  At the same time it would be important to show where 
  the basic TM lies are (i.e. the uniqueness lie, the 
  effortless lie, the fastest boat lie, etc , etc.), why 
  they are false and give informed perspective.
 
 Well, it has already been established that Yoga (TM) 
 is unique to India; that knowing the Self is effortless,
 according Brahmananda Saraswati; that Self Knowledge
 with Raja Yoga is the fastest boat - none of these
 statements are false. Patanjali, Shankara, Ramanuja, 
 Madhva, Vallabha, and Chaitanya all agree on this. All 
 the Upanishadic thinkers were transcendentalists.
 
 What is important is why you'd want to deny this, and
 why you don't offer any informed perspective, other
 than to just spout off all the time with your know-it-
 all attitude. What's up with that?
 
 
 
   

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak Chopra and Mike Myers on Sundance Channel

[jim_flanegin]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 On Nov 13, 2007, at 5:28 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
 
  Barry is talking about the larger situation, not
  Chopra in particular, and Judy knows it.
 
  In fact, that's why she's trying to *distract*
  from the larger situation, and try to make it all
  about Chopra, even though I clearly said at the
  beginning of my comments that I knew nothing about
  him and couldn't care less about him. I used Chopra
  as a springboard to talk about a larger subject --
  the cult tendencies of the TM movement and how they
  manifest when someone walks away.
 
  THAT is what Judy is attempting to distract people
  from. She doesn't LIKE it when someone brings up
  the cult nature of the TMO.
 
 What would be interesting and truly instructive would be for some  
 researcher, to go thru, step by step, the basic TM initiation 
process  
 and not only show it's cult indoctrination methods, but at the 
same  
 time it's deceitful use of marketing tactics and flawed / biased  
 research to indoctrinate and foster a belief (or beliefs) that 
are  
 difficult to step out of once one accepts the lies. Merely 
pointing  
 out the lies to TB's (or in some cases, even casual users) often  
 provokes endless counter-posting and gymnastics to try to side-
step  
 the obvious. Various smoke-screens and obfuscation tactics are 
common  
 in the knee-jerk reaction that inevitably follows.
 
 However since TM is a dying path and lineage, I doubt there would 
be  
 many interested in doing so.
 
 At the same time it would be important to show where the basic TM  
 lies are (i.e. the uniqueness lie, the effortless lie, the 
fastest  
 boat lie, etc , etc.), why they are false and give informed 
perspective.

What a collosal waste of time that would be. If someone doesn't want 
to learn it, the steep initiation fee is barrier enough. 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: OT: Warum?

[Angela Mailander]

Here's a quick translation:

  Why didst thou give us such deep sight 
  To see our future with anticipation,
  Our Love, our earthly joy, 
  Anticipating bliss, and yet with trepidation?
  Why, Fate, give us the knowing
  That we see into each other’s hearts,
  that through all our endless stirrings
  We spy out our true relationship?
  

cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   --- In 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
 
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKKGxNzJnqQ
  
  Sung by Estonian Miliza Korjus
  Lyrics by Goethe
 
 
 Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
 
 Warum gabst du uns die tiefen Blicke ...
 
 Warum gabst du uns die tiefen Blicke, 
 unsre Zukunft ahndungsvoll zu schaun, 
 unsrer Liebe, unsrem Erdenglücke 
 wähnend selig nimmer hinzutraun? 
 Warum gabst uns, Schicksal, die Gefühle, 
 uns einander in das Herz zu sehn, 
 um durch all die seltenen Gewühle 
 unser wahr Verhältnis auszuspähn? 
 
 
 
   

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[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Improved Behavior

[new . morning]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ 
 wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ 
   wrote:
   snip Isn't the whole premise of Maharishi's vision
that TM is supposed to lead to enlightened
behavior? 
   
   Never heard that one.
   
  
  
  I don't know if you are simply parsing words, Jim -- in that MMY 
 did
  not as I recall, use the term enlightened behavior as much as 
 many
  others which signify improved action and behavior in all contexts 
 of
  life from the practice of TM etc. A few among them:
  
  - improved social behavior was 1/4 of the entire SIMS intro 
 lecture
  format. Improved action -- based on fuller mental potential -- was
  another 1/4. 
  - being in-tune with all the laws of nature
  - acting from the home of all the laws of nature
  - being established in the constitution of the universe
  - acting with grace
  - improed deservabily resulting from ones behavior 
  - infinitely flexible action and behavior
  - acting from a level of overflowing fulfillment
  - being able to give in all social interactions
  - acting from an ocean of love
  - spontaneously providing life-supporting influence on all around 
 him
  - even that blood relatives would gain benefit and their lives 
 would
  improve
  - radiating bliss in ones actions
  - 100's of scientific charts and studies often alluded to regarding
  improved behavior fir many different benchmarks.
  - improved compassion and empathy
   
  I think the list could fill many pages.
  
  Since enlightenment in his view and teachings is the living 
 emodiment
  of these qualities, the culmination of their fuller, if not full
  growth, then the concept, if not the words, enlightened behavior
  certainly have a strong context in the TMO. (Though I would not 
 choose
  to use the term in that it, in its present usage, becomes quite 
 nebulous.)
  
  You never heard MMY speak of any of this, improved behavior through
  TM? Or are you simply parsing words?
 
 I detest that expression enlightened behavior because it attempts 
 to signify a state which is all about eternal, universal immortal 
 freedom and categorize it so that the dualistic mind can make it 
 comprehensible.


Right. But you said you never heard of the term -- implying that you
are unfamiliar with MMY's and the TMO's premise that TM etc
significantly improves behavior, social interactions, and actions .
Are you unfamiliar with this premise? That is what you implied, and
that is my question.

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[FairfieldLife] The Hidden Agenda of Mantra Meditation

[Rick Archer]

“Bronte” asked me to post this. She is no longer subscribed to FFL:

 

The Hidden Agenda of Mantra Meditation

 

By Bronte Baxter

 

 

What I expected to see when I came back to the Fairfield scene after 20
years away was a group of mainstay meditators true-blue to Maharishi and a
group of robust dissenters, whose minds questioned everything they learned
from their guru days. Instead, I found the true-blue meditators, but not the
kind of dissenters I anticipated. I encountered people who had left the
movement but hadn’t substantially changed their belief system. This latter
group had changed in the way that people change hats, or redecorate their
homes, leaving unaltered the structure underneath.

 

The dissenters had splintered into a myriad of Eastern or Eastern-related
philosophies: Eckhart Tolle, Byron Katie and Andrew Cohen were popular, and
Neo-Advaitin gurus had rallied many behind their minimalist philosophy.
“Saints” like Ammachi visit Fairfield regularly, dispensing dharshan and
picking up new recruits. Across town, small groups meet in “satsangs” to
discuss their growing enlightenment or to chant songs to the gods. Heated
debate is common between adherents of competing gurus, and people grow
vitriolic over whether Maharishi has slept with young women or not. There is
a smattering of hedonists and atheists, but ex-TMers in the Fairfield
circuit mostly show up with an intact Vedic worldview. That worldview is a
lens through which they perceive and measure all gurus and reality itself. 

 

I find this disturbing. It’s rather like people who’ve been swindled by a
con man, despising him for how they were treated while they continue to
invest money in the enterprise he sold them on. Why doesn’t the skepticism
extend beyond the procurer, to that which he procured for?

 

And what did Maharishi procure for? The Vedic gods. He sold us a meaningless
word that was supposed to guide our minds to transcend superficial
consciousness. Later we learned those meaningless words, our mantras, were
names of deities. He taught us advanced techniques with the Sanskrit word
“namah” at their core: “I bow down.” Mantra meditation is a form of paying
worship to those who call themselves gods. When you scrape away all the
fancy and misleading explanations – like “meaningless sounds” and “impulses
of creative intelligence,” what you get very simply is people with their
eyes closed bowing down in their minds to an assigned Hindu deity. 

 

Of course we can explain this away using TM explanations, much like the
townsfolk explained away the emperor’s nakedness using the reasoning they
were fed by the tricksters who paraded him through the town. But the emperor
has no clothes. Mantras worship the gods. “Namah” means “bow down.” It’s
right there on the surface for anyone to see if we toss out the excuses we
were handed and look at the situation with even a shred of unbiased
observation.

 

Who are these gods, that we’re so willing to explain away as “impulses of
our own consciousness”? The same gods have appeared in other religions and
cultures, even in societies that had no contact with each other. They go by
different names, but the entities are the same. In Hinduism, you have Indra,
god of thunder, ruler of the gods, married to Indrani, queen of the gods,
known for her jealousy. In Greek mythology, you have Zeus, god of thunder,
ruler of the gods, married to Hera, queen of the gods, known for her
jealousy. One-to-one correspondence like this is common. The gods are a
global phenomenon, with their imprints on every society.

 

Historically, the gods exacted worship and sacrifice – blood sacrifice
commonly, including the murder of humans. While Hinduism has a history of
human sacrifice, it has been reduced today to worship of Kali, the goddess
with her bloody tongue hanging out, whose body is adorned with a necklace of
bleeding, decapitated human heads. Or Shiva, adorned with serpents, who
dances on graves. Or Vishnu, whom Arjuna perceived in His cosmic form with
pieces of devoured victims’ flesh sticking between his teeth. Gods feed on
the energy of suffering, the fearful energy of the victim. In one South
American sacrificial ritual, a bull has his throat slit, as slowly as
possible. The reasoning given is that the gods cherish “live blood” as the
blood with the greatest energy, so the animal must be kept alive while the
blood drips from its body. In other words, the greater the fear and
suffering of the sacrificial beast, the greater is the pleasure of the gods.


 

The Shrimad-Bhagavatum, among other scriptures, explains the antipathy of
the gods for human enlightenment. According to the Vedas and the mythology
of other cultures, the gods feel threatened by the human race, afraid
mankind might grow as powerful as they. The gods want humans to remain
ignorant and “inferior” because if man realized his intrinsic nature as
consciousness, he would no longer be subject to deva control. The devas wish
us to believe, 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak Chopra and Mike Myers on Sundance Channel

[do.rflex]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote:
  
  Well known to whom? Do you have solid evidence of this 
 
 If you'd bother to read statistics you would, but you are probably to 
 lazy anyway. Spain has a very high ex-pat population with alcohol 
 problems since they have nothing useful to do and since alcohol is very 
 cheap compared to where they came from, for example Scandinavia, 
 Britain and Germany. 


Please provide your proof that Spain has a very high ex-pat
population with alcohol problems since they have nothing useful to do
and since alcohol is very cheap...


 BTW, could you pick out those areas on a map do.rflex ? ;-)


Yes. Now when are you going to admit that you lied about Trotakacharya
being a murderer?

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Hidden Agenda of Mantra Meditation

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Bronte asked me to post this. She is no longer subscribed to FFL:
 
 The Hidden Agenda of Mantra Meditation
 By Bronte Baxter

Well, it looks as if Bronte has *finally* found
an appreciative audience for her whining. It
also answers the question of who would ever
*publish* her whining.

This is from the TM-Free Blog.

:-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak Chopra and Mike Myers on Sundance Channel

[do.rflex]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote:
  If Jim is really an example of 'enlightenment' it shows me that
  'enlightened' people can still be sycophantic, biased, amoral 
 colossal
  assholes.
 
 And it shows me John that you are full of condemnation and judgment.


No. It simply shows that you indeed ARE a sycophant, that you indeed
ARE biased, that you apparently really DON'T have and standards for
Maharishi or the TMO, and that you really ARE an asshole for
attempting to dodge acknowledging those lack of standards and then
blaming me for pointing all of it out.


  He certainly comes off pretty much the opposite of what I'm familiar
  with and aspire to in Guru Dev.


 Yes, excellent lesson then-- continue to devote yourself to Guru Dev, 
 but don't just talk about it.


Guru Dev openly spoke of characters like you who ignored standards of
behavior.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak Chopra and Mike Myers on Sundance Channel

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Guru Dev openly spoke of characters like you who ignored standards of
 behavior.

Glad to hear that you now also are an expert on standards of behavior.
Can't be a field in life in which you do not have the undisputable 
expertise  ;-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak Chopra and Mike Myers on Sundance Channel

[Richard J. Williams]

Angela Mailander wrote:
 If you call it yoga then it is unique to India.
 
That's what I said - Yoga is unique to India. Marshy
teaches Yoga - Vaj denied this, and offered no support
for his claim.

 But then, yoga can be translated in various 
 ways into English, and so after that the question 
 becomes Is yoga unique to India in all the possible 
 meanings of the word yoga  with which we can 
 render it into English?

Not attmpting to translate the Sanskrit word Yoga into
English. I just said that Yoga was unique to India.

 It is clear (almost a priori [because there is such 
 a thing as a transcendental signified]) that there 
 will be some renderings of yoga which are not unique 
 to India. 
 
Maybe so, but according to I. Kant, there is an apriori 
knowledge of the transcendental thing.

 Union, for example, (with God, with Self, with Nature, 
 with whatever it is we cannot quite name that is the 
 basis of our awareness of an I am) is prolly common 
 to all that lives and, according to Rory (and me on 
 occasion) all that IS anywhere, anytime, in any universe
 of its own discourse and ours ever expanding in the 
 bosom of God, as Blake would have put it. Blake had, 
 maybe, seen a translation of the Gita.  

It is a mistake to equate the word Yoga with the English
word union. According to Patanjali, the purpose of Yoga
is not to join anything, but to isolate the Purusha from
the prakriti. Patanjali agrees with Kapila: the Purusha
is totally separate from prakriti. There's no God or Self
mentioned by Patanjali in his Yoga Sutras: there is only
Purusha, the Transcendental Person - Ishvara. Marshy
agrees with this - he has said on numerous occasions that
the Purusha is separate from the prakriti. 

 Yet he was as expert a yogi as any India has produced.
 (which can be argued about even longer than the question 
 of why  deepak left).

Maybe so.

 So now, after the amazing sentence about Union that 
 apparently came outa my ass, we'd have to determine 
 which renderings of the word yoga we shall call 
 uniquely Indian and which ones are universal. 

According to Mircea Eliade, in his book Yoga: Immortality
and Freedom - yoga is unique to India. My point is that
Marshy is an Indian, who has been teaching Raja Yoga, which 
is unique to India; it is known as the fastest path to 
enlightenment, and that Marshy has pointed out the 
effortlessness of the TM technique; that TM is Yoga,
a meditation tradition that has been taught in India
for thousands of years.

Moksha can be attained only by doing, not by a process 
of effort. - Shankara

[FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak Chopra and Mike Myers on Sundance Channel

[Richard J. Williams]

Richard J. Williams wrote:
  All the Upanishadic thinkers were transcendentalists.
 
Vaj wrote: 
 If you believe those living under bridges.

Like I said, spouting off all the time.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak Chopra and Mike Myers on Sundance Channel

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ 
wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ 
wrote:
   
   Well known to whom? Do you have solid evidence of this 
  
  If you'd bother to read statistics you would, but you are 
probably to 
  lazy anyway. Spain has a very high ex-pat population with alcohol 
  problems since they have nothing useful to do and since alcohol 
is very 
  cheap compared to where they came from, for example Scandinavia, 
  Britain and Germany. 
 
 
 Please provide your proof that Spain has a very high ex-pat
 population with alcohol problems since they have nothing useful to 
do
 and since alcohol is very cheap...
 
 
  BTW, could you pick out those areas on a map do.rflex ? ;-)
 
 
 Yes. 

Glad to hear that you looked it up.

Now when are you going to admit that you lied about Trotakacharya
 being a murderer?

I did not. But as the Great Expert on Everything Under The Sun, I'm 
sure that you can proove beyond a shadow of doubt that He did in fact 
not take a life before He started on His spiritual path ! 

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak Chopra and Mike Myers on Sundance Channel

[Vaj]

On Nov 13, 2007, at 12:55 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote:


Richard J. Williams wrote:
  All the Upanishadic thinkers were transcendentalists.
 
Vaj wrote:
 If you believe those living under bridges.

Like I said, spouting off all the time.


Until they deport you back to Mexico.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak Chopra and Mike Myers on Sundance Channel

[jim_flanegin]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ 
wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ 
wrote:
   If Jim is really an example of 'enlightenment' it shows me that
   'enlightened' people can still be sycophantic, biased, amoral 
  colossal
   assholes.
  
  And it shows me John that you are full of condemnation and 
judgment.
 
 
 No. It simply shows that you indeed ARE a sycophant, that you 
indeed
 ARE biased, that you apparently really DON'T have and standards for
 Maharishi or the TMO, and that you really ARE an asshole for
 attempting to dodge acknowledging those lack of standards and then
 blaming me for pointing all of it out.
 
 
   He certainly comes off pretty much the opposite of what I'm 
familiar
   with and aspire to in Guru Dev.
 
 
  Yes, excellent lesson then-- continue to devote yourself to Guru 
Dev, 
  but don't just talk about it.
 
 
 Guru Dev openly spoke of characters like you who ignored standards 
of
 behavior.

Oh give it a rest John-- I doubt very much that this condemnation 
and judgment makes you a satisfied and happy man-- more like 
paranoid and disatisfied with nearly everything; I have been there 
and done that, and it is not a happy place. So do yourself a favor 
and stop dumping your stuff everywhere. I cannot obviously stop you 
from reaching any conclusion you want about me. And that isn't the 
point. I just know that it is not possible to categorize and judge 
everything to ever be satisfied and happy on the route you are on. 
Just some friendly advice, with the best for you in mind. Take it or 
leave it, as you wish. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak Chopra and Mike Myers on Sundance Channel

[do.rflex]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote:
  
  Guru Dev openly spoke of characters like you who ignored standards of
  behavior.
 
 Glad to hear that you now also are an expert on standards of behavior.
 Can't be a field in life in which you do not have the undisputable 
 expertise  ;-)


You really aren't very bright, are you, Mr. Nablusoss? Guru Dev is the
one who described standards of behavior. It wasn't very difficult for
him either, because they were then and are now commonly known by
people who aspire to them. They are found in the Shastras.


So do this in life so that the kripa (grace) of Bhagavan be gained
and no more returning in a body of mala-muutra (excrement  urine).
For this reason cherish the commands of Bhagavan. The instructions of
the ved-shastra are really the commands of Bhagavan.

~~  Guru Dev 
[Shri Shankaracharya UpadeshAmrita kaNa 2 of 108]


And speaking of standards, do you really think it's OK that you lied
when you claimed Trotakacharya was a murderer?

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Improved Behavior

[jim_flanegin]

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snip Isn't the whole premise of Maharishi's vision
 that TM is supposed to lead to enlightened
 behavior? 

Never heard that one.

   
   
   I don't know if you are simply parsing words, Jim -- in that 
MMY 
  did
   not as I recall, use the term enlightened behavior as much 
as 
  many
   others which signify improved action and behavior in all 
contexts 
  of
   life from the practice of TM etc. A few among them:
   
   - improved social behavior was 1/4 of the entire SIMS intro 
  lecture
   format. Improved action -- based on fuller mental potential -- 
was
   another 1/4. 
   - being in-tune with all the laws of nature
   - acting from the home of all the laws of nature
   - being established in the constitution of the universe
   - acting with grace
   - improed deservabily resulting from ones behavior 
   - infinitely flexible action and behavior
   - acting from a level of overflowing fulfillment
   - being able to give in all social interactions
   - acting from an ocean of love
   - spontaneously providing life-supporting influence on all 
around 
  him
   - even that blood relatives would gain benefit and their lives 
  would
   improve
   - radiating bliss in ones actions
   - 100's of scientific charts and studies often alluded to 
regarding
   improved behavior fir many different benchmarks.
   - improved compassion and empathy

   I think the list could fill many pages.
   
   Since enlightenment in his view and teachings is the living 
  emodiment
   of these qualities, the culmination of their fuller, if not 
full
   growth, then the concept, if not the words, enlightened 
behavior
   certainly have a strong context in the TMO. (Though I would 
not 
  choose
   to use the term in that it, in its present usage, becomes 
quite 
  nebulous.)
   
   You never heard MMY speak of any of this, improved behavior 
through
   TM? Or are you simply parsing words?
  
  I detest that expression enlightened behavior because it 
attempts 
  to signify a state which is all about eternal, universal 
immortal 
  freedom and categorize it so that the dualistic mind can make it 
  comprehensible.
 
 
 Right. But you said you never heard of the term -- implying that 
you
 are unfamiliar with MMY's and the TMO's premise that TM etc
 significantly improves behavior, social interactions, and actions .
 Are you unfamiliar with this premise? That is what you implied, and
 that is my question.

This feels like a very familiar road for both of us, eh? MMY's and 
the TMO's attempt to chart and categorize improvements in behavior 
are laudable and appropriate, given their intention (to spread the 
practice of TM). I don't have the same intention, and would not even 
attempt to say anything about enlightened behavior except that 
enlightenment is all about living eternal, infinite, immortal, 
freedom. Anything else is up for interpretation and I just don't go 
there. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak Chopra and Mike Myers on Sundance Channel

[do.rflex]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ 
 wrote:
  
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 wrote:

Well known to whom? Do you have solid evidence of this 
   
   If you'd bother to read statistics you would, but you are 
 probably to 
   lazy anyway. Spain has a very high ex-pat population with alcohol 
   problems since they have nothing useful to do and since alcohol 
 is very 
   cheap compared to where they came from, for example Scandinavia, 
   Britain and Germany. 
  
  
  Please provide your proof that Spain has a very high ex-pat
  population with alcohol problems since they have nothing useful to 
 do
  and since alcohol is very cheap...
  
  
   BTW, could you pick out those areas on a map do.rflex ? ;-)
  
  
  Yes. 
 
 Glad to hear that you looked it up.


Yes, when I was in grade school some 50 years ago.

 
 Now when are you going to admit that you lied about Trotakacharya
  being a murderer?

 
 I did not. 


You DID make the claim. The claim is not true. You lied. Simple.


 But as the Great Expert on Everything Under The Sun, I'm 
 sure that you can proove beyond a shadow of doubt that He did in fact 
 not take a life before He started on His spiritual path !


You have accused one of Shankara's principle disciples of having been
a murderer. It's up to you to back up your claim. Otherwise, you are
lying.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak Chopra and Mike Myers on Sundance Channel

[Angela Mailander]

Is the realization that Purusha is distinct from Prakriti tantamount to the 
realization that There is a Void outside existence which, if entered into, 
englobes itself and becomes a womb? a

Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   
Angela Mailander wrote:
  If you call it yoga then it is unique to India.
  
 That's what I said - Yoga is unique to India. Marshy
 teaches Yoga - Vaj denied this, and offered no support
 for his claim.
 
  But then, yoga can be translated in various 
  ways into English, and so after that the question 
  becomes Is yoga unique to India in all the possible 
  meanings of the word yoga  with which we can 
  render it into English?
 
 Not attmpting to translate the Sanskrit word Yoga into
 English. I just said that Yoga was unique to India.
 
  It is clear (almost a priori [because there is such 
  a thing as a transcendental signified]) that there 
  will be some renderings of yoga which are not unique 
  to India. 
  
 Maybe so, but according to I. Kant, there is an apriori 
 knowledge of the transcendental thing.
 
  Union, for example, (with God, with Self, with Nature, 
  with whatever it is we cannot quite name that is the 
  basis of our awareness of an I am) is prolly common 
  to all that lives and, according to Rory (and me on 
  occasion) all that IS anywhere, anytime, in any universe
  of its own discourse and ours ever expanding in the 
  bosom of God, as Blake would have put it. Blake had, 
  maybe, seen a translation of the Gita.  
 
 It is a mistake to equate the word Yoga with the English
 word union. According to Patanjali, the purpose of Yoga
 is not to join anything, but to isolate the Purusha from
 the prakriti. Patanjali agrees with Kapila: the Purusha
 is totally separate from prakriti. There's no God or Self
 mentioned by Patanjali in his Yoga Sutras: there is only
 Purusha, the Transcendental Person - Ishvara. Marshy
 agrees with this - he has said on numerous occasions that
 the Purusha is separate from the prakriti. 
 
  Yet he was as expert a yogi as any India has produced.
  (which can be argued about even longer than the question 
  of why  deepak left).
 
 Maybe so.
 
  So now, after the amazing sentence about Union that 
  apparently came outa my ass, we'd have to determine 
  which renderings of the word yoga we shall call 
  uniquely Indian and which ones are universal. 
 
 According to Mircea Eliade, in his book Yoga: Immortality
 and Freedom - yoga is unique to India. My point is that
 Marshy is an Indian, who has been teaching Raja Yoga, which 
 is unique to India; it is known as the fastest path to 
 enlightenment, and that Marshy has pointed out the 
 effortlessness of the TM technique; that TM is Yoga,
 a meditation tradition that has been taught in India
 for thousands of years.
 
 Moksha can be attained only by doing, not by a process 
 of effort. - Shankara
 
 
 
   

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RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak Chopra and Mike Myers on Sundance Channel

[Rick Archer]

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 But as the Great Expert on Everything Under The Sun, I'm 
 sure that you can proove beyond a shadow of doubt that He did in fact 
 not take a life before He started on His spiritual path !

You have accused one of Shankara's principle disciples of having been
a murderer. It's up to you to back up your claim. Otherwise, you are
lying.

I think Nabby is confusing Trotaka with Valmiki, who wrote the Ramayana. I
doubt he can find any reference to Trotaka’s having killed anyone, but
Valmiki’s story is well-known.


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[FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak Chopra and Mike Myers on Sundance Channel

[do.rflex]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ 
 wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ 
 wrote:
If Jim is really an example of 'enlightenment' it shows me that
'enlightened' people can still be sycophantic, biased, amoral 
   colossal
assholes.
   
   And it shows me John that you are full of condemnation and 
 judgment.
  
  
  No. It simply shows that you indeed ARE a sycophant, that you 
 indeed
  ARE biased, that you apparently really DON'T have and standards for
  Maharishi or the TMO, and that you really ARE an asshole for
  attempting to dodge acknowledging those lack of standards and then
  blaming me for pointing all of it out.
  
  
He certainly comes off pretty much the opposite of what I'm 
 familiar
with and aspire to in Guru Dev.
  
  
   Yes, excellent lesson then-- continue to devote yourself to Guru 
 Dev, 
   but don't just talk about it.
  
  
  Guru Dev openly spoke of characters like you who ignored standards 
 of
  behavior.
 
 Oh give it a rest John-- I doubt very much that this condemnation 
 and judgment makes you a satisfied and happy man-- more like 
 paranoid and disatisfied with nearly everything; I have been there 
 and done that, and it is not a happy place. So do yourself a favor 
 and stop dumping your stuff everywhere. 


As a self-claimed 'enlightened' guy who attributes his attainment to
Maharishi and TM, you have a responsibility to at least honestly deal
with facts about Maharishi and the TMO. Seems you can't even manage to
do that. You resort to dodges, obfuscations, condescension; and even
attempt to accuse ME of being the problem.


 I cannot obviously stop you 
 from reaching any conclusion you want about me. And that isn't the 
 point. I just know that it is not possible to categorize and judge 
 everything to ever be satisfied and happy on the route you are on.


You're totally dodging the issue again by attempting to somehow shift
the blame to me for pointing it out. Not a very good move for someone
who claims 'enlightenment'.

 
 Just some friendly advice, with the best for you in mind. Take it or 
 leave it, as you wish.


Your condescension is self-revealing, Jim. How do you really expect
people to react to that? 

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Improved Behavior

[Alex Stanley]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I detest that expression enlightened behavior because it attempts 
 to signify a state which is all about eternal, universal immortal 
 freedom and categorize it so that the dualistic mind can make it 
 comprehensible.

As Jody at Guruphiliac blog might say, it's just more occluding
nonsense that makes people believe that enlightenment is all about
achieving a dualistic state of being some sort of hagiographied
mind-body man-god. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak Chopra and Mike Myers on Sundance Channel

[do.rflex]

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 From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
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 On Behalf Of do.rflex
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 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak Chopra and Mike Myers on Sundance
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 --- In HYPERLINK
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 nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote:
 
  But as the Great Expert on Everything Under The Sun, I'm 
  sure that you can proove beyond a shadow of doubt that He did in fact 
  not take a life before He started on His spiritual path !
 
 You have accused one of Shankara's principle disciples of having been
 a murderer. It's up to you to back up your claim. Otherwise, you are
 lying.
 
 I think Nabby is confusing Trotaka with Valmiki, who wrote the
Ramayana. I
 doubt he can find any reference to Trotaka's having killed anyone, but
 Valmiki's story is well-known.


Hopefully 'Nabby' will address this.

[FairfieldLife] Re:5,000 turn up for Ron Paul rally

[steven klayman]

Its because this is the only candidate that can bring
together diverse groups from different ends of the
political spectrum. Everyone wants the same
thing-Liberty. Its why America was founded.
Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness.



  

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[FairfieldLife] Re:5,000 turn up for Ron Paul rally

[Richard J. Williams]

Steven Klayman wrote:
 Its because this is the only candidate that 
 can bring together diverse groups from different 
 ends of the political spectrum. Everyone wants 
 the same thing-Liberty. Its why America was 
 founded. Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
 
Duncan Hunter wants to win in Iraq. He understands that 
a win for us, will be a win for the Iraqi people, as 
well as, the region, and the world. He understands that 
we must battle harden the 130 plus Iraqi Army battalions 
and provide them with a thorough combat operations 
experience so we can stand the Iraqi battalions up as 
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he will continue to ensure that our troops are the best 
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world. We will fight and defeat terror anywhere on 
earth. We will further freedom and democracy in the 
world and protect America. Peace through Strength.

Read more:

'A good look at Duncan Hunter's platform'
by Stephen Andrew Brodhead
The Conservative Voice, November 05, 2007
http://www.theconservativevoice.com/article/29068.html

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Improved Behavior

[jim_flanegin]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ 
wrote:
 
  I detest that expression enlightened behavior because it 
attempts 
  to signify a state which is all about eternal, universal 
immortal 
  freedom and categorize it so that the dualistic mind can make it 
  comprehensible.
 
 As Jody at Guruphiliac blog might say, it's just more occluding
 nonsense that makes people believe that enlightenment is all about
 achieving a dualistic state of being some sort of hagiographied
 mind-body man-god.

Exactly. Such descriptions though seem to serve a useful purpose 
initially into tricking the mind identified with a dualistic view, 
into thinking that its problems will be solved *on its own terms* by 
achieving enlightenment. 

Then once enlightenment dawns, it is completely different, since a 
bound mind cannot concieve of its own freedom anyway. And it is so 
naturally fulfilling that who cares at that point? Pretty funny 
little sequence we all go through in gaining our natural and 
universal identity.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Academy of Total Knowledge

[mainstream20016]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote:
 
  
  --- george_deforest george.deforest@ wrote:
  
Peter wrote:
   This is the typical f*cked approach of the
   TMO/MMY. No
   building on strength of current, established
   institutions. Just start from scratch with
   the fantasy
   and when it utterly fails...WHICH IT WILL...
   just
   blame low consciousness or some such
   nonsense

 It's unlikely to ever actually exist.   

Bob Brigante wrote:
Much of the facility, classrooms, gym, and admin
   bldgs, is already 
built (the site used to be Hawthorne College), and
   I can't see any 
reason why the lokels or state of New Hump would
   not let them open 
the school, so it's virtually a done deal ...
 
 The tmo has inaugerated 1000s and 1000s of schools over the years,
 none of which actually exist now except for MUM, because paying
 students not buildings is the key to a done deal.  There are no real
 teachers or students here and never will be.
 
 If you examine the tmo's financial filings, you'll see they buy lots
 of real estate, hold it and then sell it for a profit when the timing
 is right.  In between they do all sorts of silly talk about ideal
 schools etc to keep the the faithful inspired and donating money to
 capitalize new real estate business later.

Bingo !

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Academy of Total Knowledge

[bob_brigante]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 
 --- george_deforest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   Peter wrote:
  This is the typical f*cked approach of the
  TMO/MMY. No
  building on strength of current, established
  institutions. Just start from scratch with
  the fantasy
  and when it utterly fails...WHICH IT WILL...
  just
  blame low consciousness or some such
  nonsense
   
It's unlikely to ever actually exist.   
   
   Bob Brigante wrote:
   Much of the facility, classrooms, gym, and admin
  bldgs, is already 
   built (the site used to be Hawthorne College), and
  I can't see any 
   reason why the lokels or state of New Hump would
  not let them open 
   the school, so it's virtually a done deal ...
   
   http://tinyurl.com/yr7y8d
  
  if i remember right, the early jyotish program and
  the now defunct Enlightenment Magazine, were
  both produced in this Antrim NH; dont know if they
  were
  using these same buildings or not, but i think TMO
  has been in that town for some decades already.
 



 And what is the demand for this sort of school?
 Probably zilch.  
 


*


If you google military schools or boarding schools, lots of 
schools come up:

http://www.boardingschoolsusa.com/toc.asp

Boarding schools are for problem kids, and there are lotsa them kine 
kids, so the market is there. For parents who want an alternative to 
a military school or a Xtian boarding school, this M-school (which 
has a track record of running a successful prep school in MSAE) will 
have a small clientele among those looking for a place to dump the 
troubled kid.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Academy of Total Knowledge

[bob_brigante]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 from the article:
 A September 2006 proposal to build a medical college never got off 
the ground.
 
 


**

There is a small readymade market for boarding schools, so unless 
they are even more boneheaded than usual, the Antrim school will fly.

Not only did they not start an Ayurvedic medical school, but the 
doctoral program in Ayurveda (or physiology) at MUM  is not currently 
available for some reason:

http://www.mum.edu/programs/graduate.html

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Improved Behavior

[Vaj]

On Nov 13, 2007, at 11:43 AM, new.morning wrote:


Right. But you said you never heard of the term -- implying that you
are unfamiliar with MMY's and the TMO's premise that TM etc
significantly improves behavior, social interactions, and actions .
Are you unfamiliar with this premise? That is what you implied, and
that is my question.



It's more than a premise IMO. Hang around enough saints and you begin  
to recognize a spontaneous quality that can only be termed virtues  
or virtuous. It's the Natural Condition. Co-emergent with that  
recognition is our own Natural State, which is equally abundant in  
what I call spontaneous qualities (of the enlightened state). Any  
meditator will begin to recognize that quality in others. No  
scientific research necessary, this is something most people would  
recognize.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Academy of Total Knowledge

[bob_brigante]

 What a pathetic waste of time and resources. 400
 students? Right! To be equal in quality to Exeter and
 St. Pauls? Right! What are they planning to pay the
 faculty, $100 per month? One reason these things never
 work is that they are started by people that don't
 have a clue how to run a business, or in this case a
 school. Why not pour these resources back into MUM?
 
 


***

Prep schools for high-achieving kids from rich families are really 
yesterday's news and there is certainly no way that the Antrim school 
is going to compete at present in the very small market of non-
troubled kids going to top academically-oriented prep schools. But 
there is a larger market for boarding/military schools that exist to 
handle problem children, and Antrim will undoubtedly scoop up enough 
to make it financially viable, especially given the low pay to 
faculty/staff (who go into this deal with eyes open, knowing they're 
trading low pay for an environment friendly to growth of awareness 
thru TM), and the high tuition parents are willing to pay (up to 
$40K/yr for some boarding schools).

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Academy of Total Knowledge

[Rick Archer]

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of bob_brigante
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 3:50 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Academy of Total Knowledge

 

Boarding schools are for problem kids, and there are lotsa them kine 
kids, so the market is there. For parents who want an alternative to 
a military school or a Xtian boarding school, this M-school (which 
has a track record of running a successful prep school in MSAE) will 
have a small clientele among those looking for a place to dump the 
troubled kid.

That’s a generalization. There are boarding schools for problem kids, but
there are also many for smart kids, such as Exeter, Andover, Mount Herman,
etc. The problem with this school is that the potential student body is
largely to be comprised of kids of meditating parents. Most of the
meditating Boomers’ kids are past high school age now, so there’s a very
small pool to draw from, unless they draw from the general population. But
before sending their sons there, parents are going to research and discover
“His Majesty Nader Raam,” which will nix that idea.


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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Academy of Total Knowledge

[bob_brigante]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On Behalf Of bob_brigante
 Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 3:50 PM
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Academy of Total Knowledge
 
  
 
 Boarding schools are for problem kids, and there are lotsa them 
kine 
 kids, so the market is there. For parents who want an alternative 
to 
 a military school or a Xtian boarding school, this M-school (which 
 has a track record of running a successful prep school in MSAE) 
will 
 have a small clientele among those looking for a place to dump the 
 troubled kid.
 




 That's a generalization. There are boarding schools for problem 
kids, but
 there are also many for smart kids, such as Exeter, Andover, Mount 
Herman,
 etc. The problem with this school is that the potential student 
body is
 largely to be comprised of kids of meditating parents. Most of the
 meditating Boomers' kids are past high school age now, so there's a 
very
 small pool to draw from, unless they draw from the general 
population. But
 before sending their sons there, parents are going to research and 
discover
 His Majesty Nader Raam, which will nix that idea.
 
 


**

I did talk about academic prep schools like Andover, etc in another 
post in this thread:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/154564

but the far larger boarding school market is for problem kids.

I disagree that the client pool is largely going to be from 
meditating parents (really gung-ho rus would move to FF and send 
their kids to MSAE)-- in fact, there is room for an alternative 
boarding school for parents who aren't crazy about military schools 
and Xtian boarding schools. Since the staff pay is so low, the Antrim 
school does not have to attract a lot of students to be financially 
viable, especially given the very high tuition that's standard for 
these boarding schools.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Academy of Total Knowledge

[Sal Sunshine]

On Nov 13, 2007, at 4:15 PM, Rick Archer wrote:

That’s a generalization. There are boarding schools for problem  
kids, but there are also many for smart kids, such as Exeter,  
Andover, Mount Herman, etc. The problem with this school is that  
the potential student body is largely to be comprised of kids of  
meditating parents. Most of the meditating Boomers’ kids are past  
high school age now, so there’s a very small pool to draw from,  
unless they draw from the general population. But before sending  
their sons there, parents are going to research and discover “His  
Majesty Nader Raam,” which will nix that idea.


Thanks for mentioning my old alma mater, Rick, Northfield/Mount  
Hermon (altho they were separate when I went--merged the year after I  
graduated).  The majority of the prep schools (at least on the East  
coast) are indeed for academically motivated kids, not throwaways as  
Bob is implying, both then and now.


Bob, sometimes I wonder if you have any idea what you are talking  
about (what am I saying, sometimes?  Most of the time!)  You are  
surely aware of the TMO's track record--are you really saying that  
the MSAE, which after 20 years still couldn't educate a kid out of a  
paper bag, from which all the teachers who are any good at actually  
teaching have long since fled en masse, and which has had to combine  
classes for years now, and even so only has an average of about 10  
per grade, if that, and which has had to resort basically to trickery  
by stealing from the HS to artificially boost the #s of its  
graduating classes, and which even so regularly threatens, or did,  
the parents with expulsion of their kids if they, the parents, don't  
fundraise, come to meetings, etc--you're saying that the people (or  
similar people) who have so disastrously mismanaged almost every  
aspect of running a school here for supposedly normal kids, are  
somehow going to make a success of running a school for troubled  
kids, who don't even have the benefit of their parents around, and  
who presumably won't want to be there anyway?


Time for a vacation, Bob.

Oh, and Rick, while I'm posting, Jim is at 34. :)

Sal

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Improved Behavior

[Rory Goff]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 It's more than a premise IMO. Hang around enough saints and you 
begin  
 to recognize a spontaneous quality that can only be termed virtues  
 or virtuous. It's the Natural Condition. Co-emergent with that  
 recognition is our own Natural State, which is equally abundant in  
 what I call spontaneous qualities (of the enlightened state). Any  
 meditator will begin to recognize that quality in others. No  
 scientific research necessary, this is something most people would  
 recognize.

...as co-dependent moodmaking.


*lol*

[FairfieldLife] Re:5,000 turn up for Ron Paul rally

[steven klayman]

Many feel that war is unwinable. Even if it were
winable  would you send your son or daughter to fight
and die in Iraq? if not for the oil we would not be
there. 
Bring them home and lets do some good fro America and
at least lets get the rest of the world to stop hating
us and attacking us.



  

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Improved Behavior

[Vaj]

On Nov 13, 2007, at 6:51 PM, Rory Goff wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 It's more than a premise IMO. Hang around enough saints and you
begin
 to recognize a spontaneous quality that can only be termed virtues
 or virtuous. It's the Natural Condition. Co-emergent with that
 recognition is our own Natural State, which is equally abundant in
 what I call spontaneous qualities (of the enlightened state). Any
 meditator will begin to recognize that quality in others. No
 scientific research necessary, this is something most people would
 recognize.

...as co-dependent moodmaking.

*lol*


No, as spontaneous [excellent] qualities.

We already have one editor here, who needs a retired antiquarian?

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Improved Behavior

[jim_flanegin]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 On Nov 13, 2007, at 6:51 PM, Rory Goff wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:
  
   It's more than a premise IMO. Hang around enough saints and you
  begin
   to recognize a spontaneous quality that can only be 
termed virtues
   or virtuous. It's the Natural Condition. Co-emergent with 
that
   recognition is our own Natural State, which is equally 
abundant in
   what I call spontaneous qualities (of the enlightened 
state). Any
   meditator will begin to recognize that quality in others. No
   scientific research necessary, this is something most people 
would
   recognize.
 
  ...as co-dependent moodmaking.
 
  *lol*
 
 No, as spontaneous [excellent] qualities.
 
 We already have one editor here, who needs a retired antiquarian?

if you spoke in plain English, instead of this pseudo-precious 
language: spontaneous qualities (of the enlightened state)...I 
mean wtf?! Are you trying to say these folks are just plain *nicer* 
to be around?? or struck you as friendlier? That I get, but this? 

After reading this post of yours I imagine folks walking around 
softly, and...talking...softly...and everyone near them 
murmuring...softly, and nodding... 
sagely...at ...every ...utterance...of...their (spontaneous)wisdom-
- doesn't sound like a very fun party to me at all. 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Improved Behavior

[Angela Mailander]

Vaj, why don't you read my response to Curtis' response to Bronte's essay 
regarding behavior and TM? a

Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   

On Nov 13, 2007, at 6:51 PM, Rory Goff wrote:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 It's more than a premise IMO. Hang around enough saints and you 
begin 
 to recognize a spontaneous quality that can only be termed virtues 
 or virtuous. It's the Natural Condition. Co-emergent with that 
 recognition is our own Natural State, which is equally abundant in 
 what I call spontaneous qualities (of the enlightened state). Any 
 meditator will begin to recognize that quality in others. No 
 scientific research necessary, this is something most people would 
 recognize.

...as co-dependent moodmaking.

*lol*

No, as spontaneous [excellent] qualities.


We already have one editor here, who needs a retired antiquarian?

 
   

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[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Improved Behavior

[Rory Goff]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 On Nov 13, 2007, at 6:51 PM, Rory Goff wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:
  
   It's more than a premise IMO. Hang around enough saints and you
  begin
   to recognize a spontaneous quality that can only be 
termed virtues
   or virtuous. It's the Natural Condition. Co-emergent with that
   recognition is our own Natural State, which is equally abundant 
in
   what I call spontaneous qualities (of the enlightened state). 
Any
   meditator will begin to recognize that quality in others. No
   scientific research necessary, this is something most people 
would
   recognize.
 
  ...as co-dependent moodmaking.
 
  *lol*
 
 No, as spontaneous [excellent] qualities.

Apparently, one person's spontaneous [excellent] qualities are 
another's co-dependent moodmaking, then, Vaj; or maybe you meant to 
say, *our* group's enlightened qualities are spontaneous and 
excellent; *yours* are co-dependent moodmaking? 

Either way, one could probably make a good case for this whole line 
of thinking being baloney, along the lines of mistaking sattva (a 
guna) for purusha (free from gunas), or mistaking  making it a 
really, really *good* movie with actual freedom from belief in the 
movie.

 We already have one editor here, who needs a retired antiquarian?

Who indeed? If you still think you and I exist, then you do, 
apparently, as here I apparently am. 

Speaking of editing, perhaps you missed the editor's gentle hint the 
first time around: the possessive of it is its  -- not it's, 
which is only used by the literate as the contraction of it is.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Improved Behavior

[Vaj]

On Nov 13, 2007, at 9:17 PM, Angela Mailander wrote:

Vaj, why don't you read my response to Curtis' response to Bronte's  
essay regarding behavior and TM? a



Uh, Do I have to? If I have the time, I'll try, OK?

I'm not a part time playwright, so don't expect me to bear so much  
drama in a day, OK?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Improved Behavior

[Vaj]

On Nov 13, 2007, at 9:41 PM, Rory Goff wrote:


Speaking of editing, perhaps you missed the editor's gentle hint the
first time around: the possessive of it is its -- not it's,
which is only used by the literate as the contraction of it is.



Yes and my understanding (perhaps not of publishing genre) was that  
it's ok per casual anglais.


I don't live by my c. 1977 Norton Reader or (heaven forbid) a  
dictionary.


I'm just an ordinary being.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Improved Behavior

[Vaj]

On Nov 13, 2007, at 9:17 PM, jim_flanegin wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 On Nov 13, 2007, at 6:51 PM, Rory Goff wrote:

  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:
  
   It's more than a premise IMO. Hang around enough saints and you
  begin
   to recognize a spontaneous quality that can only be
termed virtues
   or virtuous. It's the Natural Condition. Co-emergent with
that
   recognition is our own Natural State, which is equally
abundant in
   what I call spontaneous qualities (of the enlightened
state). Any
   meditator will begin to recognize that quality in others. No
   scientific research necessary, this is something most people
would
   recognize.
 
  ...as co-dependent moodmaking.
 
  *lol*

 No, as spontaneous [excellent] qualities.

 We already have one editor here, who needs a retired antiquarian?

if you spoke in plain English, instead of this pseudo-precious
language: spontaneous qualities (of the enlightened state)...I
mean wtf?! Are you trying to say these folks are just plain *nicer*
to be around?? or struck you as friendlier? That I get, but this?

After reading this post of yours I imagine folks walking around
softly, and...talking...softly...and everyone near them
murmuring...softly, and nodding...
sagely...at ...every ...utterance...of...their (spontaneous)wisdom-
- doesn't sound like a very fun party to me at all.



Spontaneous is spontaneous, what do you want me to say.

It's just the way it is.

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Improved Behavior

[Rory Goff]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 On Nov 13, 2007, at 9:41 PM, Rory Goff wrote:
 
  Speaking of editing, perhaps you missed the editor's gentle hint the
  first time around: the possessive of it is its -- not it's,
  which is only used by the literate as the contraction of it is.
 
 
V: Yes and my understanding (perhaps not of publishing genre) was that  
 it's ok per casual anglais.

Suit yourself; to me it reeks of ignorance. 

Speaking of ignorance (how's that for a segue), you apparently ignored 
the main point of the post, about sattva vs. purusha:

Apparently, one person's spontaneous [excellent] qualities are
another's co-dependent moodmaking, then, Vaj; or maybe you meant to
say, *our* group's enlightened qualities are spontaneous and
excellent; *yours* are co-dependent moodmaking?

Either way, one could probably make a good case for this whole line
of thinking being baloney, along the lines of mistaking sattva (a
guna) for purusha (free from gunas), or mistaking making it a
really, really *good* movie with actual freedom from belief in the
movie.

 
 I don't live by my c. 1977 Norton Reader or (heaven forbid) a  
 dictionary.
 
 I'm just an ordinary being.

If only. 

[FairfieldLife] That Redhead from Iowa: Patty Larkin, was Favorite Music

[Vaj]

Well she was born there. She's now from Cape Cod, MA. Toured with  
Bruce and Richard Thompson, et al, etc. etc. She's been around...and a  
Berklee grad to boot.


I remember first seeing Patty as warm up for solo Richard Thompson. If  
you know RT you know he is the guitarist's guitarist. Clapton, Page,  
Joni Mitchell...you name it and Richard Thompson was their guitar god.  
And here is this skinny read-head starting her opening number from a  
solo she learned from RT (Open Hand). She brought the Maine movie  
theatre to a stop. She just shined. That rare guitar goddess.


Wow, we thought it rare to see a warm-up outshine the master, but this  
chick did it that night. No shit.


You'll like most of Perishable Fruit (which includes a duo with Bruce  
C.) but also her live CD a GoGo is just perfect.


Here's my current PL playlist, all from the above:



The Road  4:36  Patty Larkin Perishable Fruit
The Book I'm Not Reading  4:21  Patty Larkin Perishable Fruit6:55 PM
Coming Up For Air  4:54  Patty Larkin  Perishable Fruit
Angels Wings  4:07  Patty Larkin  Perishable Fruit
Banish Misfortune/Open Hand	1:54	Patty Larkin	A Gogo: Live on Tour6:55  
PM

Tango   4:48Patty LarkinA Gogo: Live on Tour
Booth of Glass  4:31Patty LarkinA Gogo: Live on Tour
Who Holds Your Hand 3:43Patty LarkinA Gogo: Live on Tour
Good Thing  6:05Patty LarkinA Gogo: Live on Tour192 kbps

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Improved Behavior

[Vaj]

On Nov 13, 2007, at 10:00 PM, Rory Goff wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 On Nov 13, 2007, at 9:41 PM, Rory Goff wrote:

  Speaking of editing, perhaps you missed the editor's gentle hint  
the

  first time around: the possessive of it is its -- not it's,
  which is only used by the literate as the contraction of it is.


V: Yes and my understanding (perhaps not of publishing genre) was that
 it's ok per casual anglais.

Suit yourself; to me it reeks of ignorance.


Reek on then dude, reek on.

If only.

Only.

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Improved Behavior

[jim_flanegin]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 On Nov 13, 2007, at 9:17 PM, jim_flanegin wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:
  
  
   On Nov 13, 2007, at 6:51 PM, Rory Goff wrote:
  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ 
wrote:

 It's more than a premise IMO. Hang around enough saints 
and you
begin
 to recognize a spontaneous quality that can only be
  termed virtues
 or virtuous. It's the Natural Condition. Co-emergent with
  that
 recognition is our own Natural State, which is equally
  abundant in
 what I call spontaneous qualities (of the enlightened
  state). Any
 meditator will begin to recognize that quality in others. 
No
 scientific research necessary, this is something most 
people
  would
 recognize.
   
...as co-dependent moodmaking.
   
*lol*
  
   No, as spontaneous [excellent] qualities.
  
   We already have one editor here, who needs a retired 
antiquarian?
  
  if you spoke in plain English, instead of this pseudo-precious
  language: spontaneous qualities (of the enlightened state)...I
  mean wtf?! Are you trying to say these folks are just plain 
*nicer*
  to be around?? or struck you as friendlier? That I get, but this?
 
  After reading this post of yours I imagine folks walking around
  softly, and...talking...softly...and everyone near them
  murmuring...softly, and nodding...
  sagely...at ...every ...utterance...of...their 
(spontaneous)wisdom-
  - doesn't sound like a very fun party to me at all.
 
 
 Spontaneous is spontaneous, what do you want me to say.
 
 It's just the way it is.

spontaneous I get, I understand that-- but what I was looking for 
was a description from *you* about what all this feels like, to 
*you*. This looks like fake stuff is all. Like creating a mood of 
some kind, and it also sounds dull.

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Improved Behavior

[jim_flanegin]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:
 
  
  On Nov 13, 2007, at 9:41 PM, Rory Goff wrote:
  
   Speaking of editing, perhaps you missed the editor's gentle 
hint the
   first time around: the possessive of it is its -- 
not it's,
   which is only used by the literate as the contraction of it 
is.
  
  
 V: Yes and my understanding (perhaps not of publishing genre) was 
that  
  it's ok per casual anglais.
 
 Suit yourself; to me it reeks of ignorance. 
 
 Speaking of ignorance (how's that for a segue), you apparently 
ignored 
 the main point of the post, about sattva vs. purusha:
 
 Apparently, one person's spontaneous [excellent] qualities are
 another's co-dependent moodmaking, then, Vaj; or maybe you meant 
to
 say, *our* group's enlightened qualities are spontaneous and
 excellent; *yours* are co-dependent moodmaking?
 
 Either way, one could probably make a good case for this whole line
 of thinking being baloney, along the lines of mistaking sattva (a
 guna) for purusha (free from gunas), or mistaking making it a
 really, really *good* movie with actual freedom from belief in the
 movie.
 
  
  I don't live by my c. 1977 Norton Reader or (heaven forbid) a  
  dictionary.
  
  I'm just an ordinary being.
 
 If only.

unfortunately, it looks like if you mistake sattva for purusha, the 
satva spontaneously transforms into tamas rather quickly...or 
tamas/rajas at any rate

[FairfieldLife] The 10% Urban Legend

[suziezuzie]

Humans use only 10% or less of their brain: Even though many mysteries
of brain function persist, every part of the brain has a known
function.[6][7][8]

* This misconception most likely arose from a misunderstanding (or
misrepresentation in an advertisement) of neurological research in the
late 1800s or early 1900s when researchers either discovered that only
about 10% of the neurons in the brain are firing at any given time or
announced that they had only mapped the functions of 10% of the brain
up to that time (accounts differ on this point).
* Another possible origin of the misconception is that only 10% of
the cells in the brain are neurons; the rest are glial cells that,
despite being involved in learning, do not function in the same way
that neurons do.
* If all of a person's neurons began firing at once, that person
would not become smarter, but would instead suffer a seizure. In fact,
studies have shown that the brains of more intelligent people are less
active than the brains of less intelligent people when working on the
same problems.[citation needed]
* Some New Age proponents propagate this belief by asserting that
the unused ninety percent of the human brain is capable of
exhibiting psychic powers and can be trained to perform psychokinesis
and extra-sensory perception.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_brain

[FairfieldLife] Comet visible to naked eye

[bob_brigante]

For all you non-astronomy-geeks, there is a very bright comet to the 
right of the north star, visible to the naked eye -- better if you have 
binoculars -- even in light-polluted SoCalif, you can see it easily :

http://www.skyandtelescope.com/observing/home/10862521.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/17P/Holmes

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and Improved Behavior

[Rory Goff]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


As to your statement, Vaj, Yes and my understanding (perhaps not of 
publishing genre) was that it's ok per casual anglais, Judy would 
like to tell you (and I heartily agree) that it's not OK no matter 
how casual your anglais, unless perhaps you're spray-painting it on 
the subway walls.
 
And in response to your statements, I don't live by my c. 1977 
Norton Reader or (heaven forbid) a dictionary and I'm just an 
ordinary being, Judy points out that Many utterly ordinary beings 
have no need of the dictionary or Norton's Reader of any vintage to 
know the difference between a possessive and a contraction.

:-)

(P.S. It looks as though you've apparently chosen yet again to ignore 
the main point of the post: the distinction between sattva and 
purusha, or judging it's a really, really *good* movie vs. actually 
freeing oneself from belief in the movie. While I enjoy sattvic 
behavior as much as the next guy, judging anyone's behavior 
as enlightened or not enlightened would to me fall into the 
category of judging the quality of the movie.)

:-)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Academy of Total Knowledge

[Peter]

--- Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Nov 13, 2007, at 4:15 PM, Rick Archer wrote:
 
  That’s a generalization. There are boarding
 schools for problem  
  kids, but there are also many for smart kids, such
 as Exeter,  
  Andover, Mount Herman, etc. The problem with this
 school is that  
  the potential student body is largely to be
 comprised of kids of  
  meditating parents. Most of the meditating
 Boomers’ kids are past  
  high school age now, so there’s a very small pool
 to draw from,  
  unless they draw from the general population. But
 before sending  
  their sons there, parents are going to research
 and discover “His  
  Majesty Nader Raam,” which will nix that idea.
 
 Thanks for mentioning my old alma mater, Rick,
 Northfield/Mount  
 Hermon (altho they were separate when I went--merged
 the year after I  
 graduated).  The majority of the prep schools (at
 least on the East  
 coast) are indeed for academically motivated kids,
 not throwaways as  
 Bob is implying, both then and now.
 
 Bob, sometimes I wonder if you have any idea what
 you are talking  
 about (what am I saying, sometimes?  Most of the
 time!)  You are  
 surely aware of the TMO's track record--are you
 really saying that  
 the MSAE, which after 20 years still couldn't
 educate a kid out of a  
 paper bag, from which all the teachers who are any
 good at actually  
 teaching have long since fled en masse, and which
 has had to combine  
 classes for years now, and even so only has an
 average of about 10  
 per grade, if that, and which has had to resort
 basically to trickery  
 by stealing from the HS to artificially boost the
 #s of its  
 graduating classes, and which even so regularly
 threatens, or did,  
 the parents with expulsion of their kids if they,
 the parents, don't  
 fundraise, come to meetings, etc--you're saying that
 the people (or  
 similar people) who have so disastrously mismanaged
 almost every  
 aspect of running a school here for supposedly
 normal kids, are  
 somehow going to make a success of running a school
 for troubled  
 kids, who don't even have the benefit of their
 parents around, and  
 who presumably won't want to be there anyway?
 
 Time for a vacation, Bob.
 
 Oh, and Rick, while I'm posting, Jim is at 34. :)
 
 Sal

Sal, I didn't know you were a preppy. I went to Taft
with Johnny H. We were dope smoking, acid dropping,
hell-raising buddies. I even managed to get kicked out
at the end of my junior year. Now, how preppy is that?
Do you still have your tasseled loafers??




 
 
 



  

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