[FairfieldLife] Re: Metering Shakti
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: While I don't disagree with your shakti meter analogy, Doug, I should point out one limitation to it. One tends to meter only the things that one is familiar with, that one has experienced before. Therefore it is possible to completely miss different bandings of spiritual energy that are unfamiliar. Good thots and great example below Turq. I think you would be pleased generally with Fairfield. There is quite a lot of spiritual discernment going on in active spiritual practice in Fairfield. Quie a lot of spiritual discipline. Really only a few corners with real bad spiritual arrogance, some fundi-xtians and some TM-virgin doctrinals left on campus. They do seem cut of the same cloth in ways. Otherwise this is really quite a good place. Might even be a good place for ex-pats to come home to, if they need to. LOL. Not ex enough for me. :-) Turq, run your finger down this directory a moment. Really, it is not just a few people A Directory of Active Spiritual Practice Groups in Fairfield: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/162814 Take a look at the abridged e-version of the Fairfield Weekly Reader FairfieldToday.com: http://www.fairfieldtoday.com/ Turq, there was some discussion recently of folks who do not live in Fairfield from FFL coming to FF for a visit. I would suggest coming right at the end of June and beginning of July. A good time to see people in Fairfield. The lady saints visit then. A lot of old-time meditators come out of the woods then. Like a Kumbla Mela. You'd like it a lot. Mother Meera apparently is coming in the fall. While the idea of venturing to Fairfield and actually meeting some of the fine people I've met on this list appeals to me, a lot, at the same time that is balanced by my distaste for...sorry to say it...going to America. The last few times I did, it was an unsettling experience. I even came up with a metaphor for what it feels like, psychically. Remember the film 2001, the part where Dave has gotten back into the ship after Hal has tried to kill him, and is pulling Hal's memory boards? I can feel it, Dave. My mind is going. I can feel it. THAT is the feeling that strikes me most about flying to the United States. It's as if there is a constriction of some sort that sneaks up on you as you get closer to it, as if the vibe of the place doesn't really *allow* the same expansiveness of thought and lightness of being that I've gotten used to in Europe. Could this be nothing but moodmaking on my part? Absolutely. But it's been the non-expected but tangible result of every one of my trips there in the last decade, after spending extended times away from America. It's something that you might not feel while *within* the borders of America, but I am not the only person I've met in spiritual circles who has commented on in when going *to* America from somewhere else. Then again, maybe I'll get over it and take a road trip and see what it's like this time. If I do, you can rest assured that I'll visit Fairfield, and hopefully be able to hoist a few with you and the other great FFL folks.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Attention nablusoss
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: ROFLOLSTMITB (Rollingonthefloorwithlaughterscaringthemiceinthebasement) No baby, I hang around here to get a good laugh. :-) Well, I hope we are good entertainment for you! Sometimes, definately yes :-) But I do question your stated motives because we really are not that funny. Interesting yes, but funny no. I also find 1-2 people here interesting. I have some serious questions for you if you wouldn't mind climbing up off that floor after rolling around and doing all that laughing: Do you think that the TMOs, or any specific TMO, has any ethical obligations to meditators? No. How about to you specifically? Not at all. I am responsible for my own evolution and actions. Do you think that the TMOs, or any specific TMO, has any ethical obligations to donees? None whatsoever. If yes, what do you think those obligations are? Do you think that the TMOs have a duty to disclose to contributors how their money will be spent? No, why should they ? When money is given, to anyone, anywhere its given and gone. Do you think that the TMOs have a duty to tell the truth if in fact they do disclose how money is spent? Absolutely not. BTW; I question your idea about truth. If John Hagelin, as Raja of the US, told you that you must do something for a TMO, would you feel obliged to do it? To a certain degree, yes. Would it depend on what he asked you to do? No, it would depend on my time on hand. Please answer if you can. I am not looking for a fight.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Even a sick man can open a health food store
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of deepaconn Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 6:20 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Even a sick man can open a health food store I wonder if he realized how prescient his statement was, with regard to his own behaviour...Even a sick man can open a health food store. When I first heard M speak these words on my TTC, I had no doubt they were directed at the teachers-in-training. After his death, as more and more evidence is revealed that he was just like the rest of us, with our foibles, worries, fears for what might be, I see these words, now, applied to him. Take him off the pedestal! What ever state of consciousness he was in, he was just a human being. Some examples: * He was in the middle of all sorts of financail shananigans, here and abroad(see FFL). * A hushed-up medical crisis in '91 (?) took him to England for treatment, and he was worried about picking up Deepak's karma as the result of a blood transfusion(see Chopra/Huffington Post). * He expressed worry to a movemant doctor about his prostate and the subsequently had a prostate operation in Switzerland(see FFL) * He had ongoing treatment for diabetes and (possibly) pancreatitus(see FFL). * He had explosive anger, exhibited petty jealousies, and blatant favoritism. Lying was de rigeur.(FFL) * He had women he bedded and a teenage-like obsessiveness after one of these women left his grasp(see FFL:Sexy Sadie files). * He feared that the karma he'd created after bedding these women caused the death of a TTC course participant(see FFL:Sexy Sadie files). * He suspected that having women cook for him caused the increase in his libido, so... all females out...all male parusha cooks in(see FFL:Sexy Sadie files). No telling if that was the end of the women. I found FFL through a Google search after M died. maharishi dead plunked me smack dab into a FFL thread about the circumstances surrounding his death and I was hooked. In all my years with the TMO, beginning in '70, I rarely felt I had a safe place to express my doubts, share my intuitions, be myself. Those few whom I could spoke to knew little more then I did. Thank you Rick; thank you all for being here. Cath I agree with all this, but could also build a similar, probably longer list of positive qualities and accomplishments. It's paradoxical, but somehow I can accept it all. I agree. There's positive and then there's the other stuff. After I pushed the send button I realized my comments had been heavily weighted in one direction. Thank you for reminding me. It's just that as I've been scoutting the FFL archives, getting caught up on what's been happening since I left Fairfield in '97, it's just alot of stuff! I had this ideal I was stretching for, in those early years. And his behaviour, his choices(as far as I was aware of them), his integrity, made up that ideal. Now I've come along way since I left the mainstream of the movement. So I've left that guy on the pedastal way behind, but still...alot of stuff's different than I thought it was. Not shocking...more... amazing! Really amazing! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.7/1286 - Release Date: 2/18/2008 6:49 PM
[FairfieldLife] Intelligent stuff ([FairfieldLife] Re: Stupid stuff.)
Hagen, suggesting a reading assignment: You will really get fever from it and your brain will be starting to work in double speed, like a horse, which cannot be harnessed anymore. Ah, that explains your writing style. :-) Peter Plichta is one of the modern representatives of these ideas, but still moderate enough not provoke people to call him totally mad. You might want to read more of him. :-) Seriously, thanks for replying. This is all far too woo-woo and ungrounded for me. I was just curious as to whether you were as woo-woo as you seemed from a few things you dropped casually into your posts. That now seems to be settled. I have no problem with you believing the things you believe, but I don't find those things fascinating enough (or, for that matter, real enough) to discuss, given the posting limits here. Do keep posting, however. And you might consider having discussions with Nablusos1008 and a few others. You'd get along. He knows special stuff about Maitreya and the Space Brothers the same way you know special stuff about physics. May you grow up to be a floater, May your tin foil hat always fit, May you always know the truth When others see only shit. May you always be on the program, May your flowing robes be long, May you stay forever young, Forever young, forever young, May you stay forever young. - Bob Dylan, Forever Young, the TM bootleg version --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hagen J. Holtz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hagen J. Holtz hagen.j.holtz@ wrote: The counterforce to gravity has already been detected by the Austrian scientist Viktor Schauberger in the beginning of the last century. He named it levitation. One of his sayings was that Newton should not have been taking so much effort on finding out how the apple fell from the tree but how it came up on the tree. I have to admit that this is one of the most bizarre sayings I've ever heard attributed to a scientist. Not that that's a bad thing. It's like physics done by Steven Wright. http://www.weather.net/zarg/ZarPages/stevenWright.html I do not know what Wright used to say, but there had been quite a few people who already went into the right direction of explorating real nature mechanics. Schauberger's eagerness started as typically with some key-experience. He was working as a forester in Austria, once crossing a rapid creek, where he tried to lean on some stick, touching an alleged black stone. That stone hatched out to get a stand a few inches further up the stream, not showing the slightest movement. He recognized that it was a trout, bending its body almost to a sphere, in order to resist against the drift without spending the slightest visible effort. Schauberger found out, that the trout was following the patterns of this new force by its own nature automatically, and gave it the name levitational force. He discovered new flow theories, which could get verified by the University uf Stuttgart, Germany. Adolf Hitler became so much interested in him, that he conscripted Schauberger to wrk in a team, designing the first jet fighter in the world. Schauberger was too ahead and too far away from the interests of economical thinking. Therefore his theories got annihilated like Tesla's as well by clever forces. Now you're starting to sound like Steven Wright. :-) Schauberger, similar like Tesla, was able to deliver plans, where it would have been able to conctruct machines working with so-called zero-point or space-energy. This was a great thorn is the eyes of certain people, and it was interesting that Texans of all people came to buy him out from the market. So most of his plans must still be lying somewhere locked in a safe in your country. By the way, it was also interesting that, for the sake of consistency of Einstein's theory the idea about the existence ether (akasha) in physics got obliterated. This leads even to the inconsequence, that light for example does not have any media left, through which to travel. One should write a book about all life-lies in nature sciences and publish it along with more consecutive theories. I hope that a good team of meditators would do it in some especially founded research-institute. Time seems to be ripe. Seriously, if you feel like it, can you explain how you find the Schauberger saying above profound? Funny, I can see it being. But you seem to see some profundity in it that I do not. It would blast this forum to go deeper into it by now but the profundity of his sayings is striking. He also found out that an equilibrium is never a 1:1 case but a 2:1 event, and his reasoning is striking. You will really get fever from it and your brain will be starting to work in double speed, like a horse, which cannot be harnessed anymore. Peter Plichta is one of the modern representatives of these ideas, but still moderate enough not provoke people to call him totally mad.
[FairfieldLife] Intelligent stuff ([FairfieldLife] Re: Stupid stuff.)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hagen J. Holtz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The counterforce to gravity has already been detected by the Austrian scientist Viktor Schauberger in the beginning of the last century. He named it levitation. One of his sayings was that Newton should not have been taking so much effort on finding out how the apple fell from the tree but how it came up on the tree. I have to admit that this is one of the most bizarre sayings I've ever heard attributed to a scientist. Not that that's a bad thing. It's like physics done by Steven Wright. http://www.weather.net/zarg/ZarPages/stevenWright.html I do not know what Wright used to say, but there had been quite a few people who already went into the right direction of explorating real nature mechanics. Schauberger's eagerness started as typically with some key-experience. He was working as a forester in Austria, once crossing a rapid creek, where he tried to lean on some stick, touching an alleged black stone. That stone hatched out to get a stand a few inches further up the stream, not showing the slightest movement. He recognized that it was a trout, bending its body almost to a sphere, in order to resist against the drift without spending the slightest visible effort. Schauberger found out, that the trout was following the patterns of this new force by its own nature automatically, and gave it the name levitational force. He discovered new flow theories, which could get verified by the University uf Stuttgart, Germany. Adolf Hitler became so much interested in him, that he conscripted Schauberger to wrk in a team, designing the first jet fighter in the world. Schauberger was too ahead and too far away from the interests of economical thinking. Therefore his theories got annihilated like Tesla's as well by clever forces. Now you're starting to sound like Steven Wright. :-) Schauberger, similar like Tesla, was able to deliver plans, where it would have been able to conctruct machines working with so-called zero-point or space-energy. This was a great thorn is the eyes of certain people, and it was interesting that Texans of all people came to buy him out from the market. So most of his plans must still be lying somewhere locked in a safe in your country. By the way, it was also interesting that, for the sake of consistency of Einstein's theory the idea about the existence ether (akasha) in physics got obliterated. This leads even to the inconsequence, that light for example does not have any media left, through which to travel. One should write a book about all life-lies in nature sciences and publish it along with more consecutive theories. I hope that a good team of meditators would do it in some especially founded research-institute. Time seems to be ripe. Seriously, if you feel like it, can you explain how you find the Schauberger saying above profound? Funny, I can see it being. But you seem to see some profundity in it that I do not. It would blast this forum to go deeper into it by now but the profundity of his sayings is striking. He also found out that an equilibrium is never a 1:1 case but a 2:1 event, and his reasoning is striking. You will really get fever from it and your brain will be starting to work in double speed, like a horse, which cannot be harnessed anymore. Peter Plichta is one of the modern representatives of these ideas, but still moderate enough not provoke people to call him totally mad. Plichta, by the way was the first to generate the Diesel-oil from silicon. Also, I'm intrigued by the interests of economical thinking and annihilated by clever forces. Both of these seem to be a veritable goldmine of weirdness that I just can't wait to hear about. Really. There are so many inventions, which could make the world's economics come to a sudden halt, starting from the everlasting nylon-stocking, continuing with the unbreakable car, the non-destroyable bulb, the washing machine based on sonographic waves up to the energy unit in every house, which could make the individual be totally independent from any power company. I wished for a team, working on it in joint effort, re-designing a new economic world beyond capitalism and communism, just going by the synergetic effects in nature. I will soon be opening a website, where I will be advertising for it. The group should grow up to 10,000 participants, so that we add to the so-called Schumann-waves anothers fascinating chapter regarding brain-development. In order to get a sense-making picture about the unified field, you have to overcome quantitative thinking, which is by the way still a challenge for science theories. The quantitative approach has failed due to the fact that patterns based on quantitative assumptions always end up in an infinite regress. Something for the bedlam. Your conclusions, Sam, are therefore a bit funny and, I think you know it, meddlesome. Meddlesome
[FairfieldLife] Re: Validity of Mahrishi's apaurusheya bhasya in the light of linguistics
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ya might only need to familiarize yer self with the basic phonemic units of Sanskrit to be able to notice that it rocks! But, of course, YMMV! ;) Vowels: a, aa, i, ii, u, uu, R, RR, L, e, ai, o, au Consonants (with the inherent short 'a' in DN characters): velar: ka, kha, ga, gha, nga palatal: ca, cha, ja, jha, ña retroflex: Ta, Tha, Da, Dha, Na dental: ta, tha, da, dha, na labial: pa, pha, ba, bha, ma others: ya, ra, la, va; sha, Sa, sa, ha
[FairfieldLife] The Hag and Bev are NOT opposites (Re: Tony Nadir)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They're scumbags and elitists and twisted sociopaths to say the things they say while knowing all the real world contradictions to their statements. Try asking either of them a hard question as they scurry from one place to another -- you'll be ignored. Still hurt because they got laid more often than you ? :-)
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Life as safe haven
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Duveyoung Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 12:24 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Life as safe haven Rick, I remember some gossip about Paul -- wasn't he forced to give up being principal at MSAE -- even though he loved the position and the kids loved him? Could be that they were abusing him for not getting you, Rick, to toe the line. I'm just sayin'! I was unaware of the gossip, but when that happened I was probably still in the TMO. Do you know the year? Also, he’s a lot happier now teaching the Vedic Medicine program than he would have been administering the school, so if your speculation is true, I did him a favor. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.7/1286 - Release Date: 2/18/2008 6:49 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nadir
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: --- Samuel Gravina sgravina@ wrote: I also knew John Hagelen back then. He too was a very regular guy. He had that aristocratic accent back then but he didn't talk like a vocabulary quiz. I once asked him why he talked so fancy for the movement and he said that that was what Maharishi liked to hear. I know John quite well from years prior to and his first couple of years in TM. We went to school together and were good friends. I agree with Sam. John is a complete regular guy, far from some bliss ninny mood-maker. He's very smart and loves verbal puns. John is the complete opposite of Bevan! Maybe. But he is a bit of a nutcase conspiracty theorist. There was that incident reported in the Fairfield Ledger in which he intimated that the CIA had infiltrated the Movement or something like that. Pretty weird, cult-like stuff. Agreed. The CIA is a strange american cult blowing up airplanes and sending hitmen after a man of peace. Reminds me of what happened 2000 years ago. But they could never get Maharishi. Not that they didn't try. __ __ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
[FairfieldLife] Re: Validity of Mahrishi's apaurusheya bhasya in the light of linguistics
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: Ya might only need to familiarize yer self with the basic phonemic units of Sanskrit to be able to notice that it rocks! But, of course, YMMV! ;) Vowels: a, aa, i, ii, u, uu, R, RR, L, e, ai, o, au Consonants (with the inherent short 'a' in DN characters): velar: ka, kha, ga, gha, nga palatal: ca, cha, ja, jha, ña retroflex: Ta, Tha, Da, Dha, Na dental: ta, tha, da, dha, na labial: pa, pha, ba, bha, ma others: ya, ra, la, va; sha, Sa, sa, ha Sanskrit is indeed a great language but the term itself means 'polished' or 'refined'. So, to some extent it is a constructed language. My theory is that at a certain moment in human development, when humankind was more in tune with nature on all its levels, various proto-languages developed which 'echoed' more the mechanics of creation: proto-Semitic, Vedic, proto-Tamil,... One of my teachers, Swami Premananda, a native Tamil speaker, claims that Tamil developed out of the experience of Amrita in the throat. Sri Aurobindo spoke about Devabhasa, the pre-Vedic mantric language of the Sat Yuga. Out of this language of verb roots and bijas, Sanskrit developed.
[FairfieldLife] Intelligent stuff ([FairfieldLife] Re: Stupid stuff.)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hagen J. Holtz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sometimes it is difficult to distinguish between a woo-woo and a person, who has no problems to go one step further. It seems too often as if the world was only distinguishable between the normal crazy ones (the main stream) and the real crazy guys (those, who are not able to stand the monotony of the main-stream anymore but do not find balancing alternatives and therefore tilt). I was always interested in those, who just fell somewhere in between. You'll find a few here. :-) You'll also find a few for whom the woo-woo reactions extend to their claimed experiences, not just intellectual theories about things. To quote Roy Batty, I've seen things you people wouldn't believe... And only, I assure you, for practical reasons. It is the realm, where you really will find joy of surfing on the wave. But indeed, pegasus' flying behind the moon-theories had also never been of great interest for me. Matters have to be always lying on the border of what could be possible or at least probable. Thanks for at least having found out that I do not seem to be totally woo-woo. ´You seem to be a good doctor and so it gives hope to me (for others and for myself as well) :-))). Just for the record, since you may have me confused with some other poster, I am not a doctor. The closest I've ever gotten to that status is playing doctor, something I was fond of in my youth and never outgrew. :-) - Original Message - From: TurquoiseB To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 11:17 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Intelligent stuff ([FairfieldLife] Re: Stupid stuff.) Hagen, suggesting a reading assignment: You will really get fever from it and your brain will be starting to work in double speed, like a horse, which cannot be harnessed anymore. Ah, that explains your writing style. :-) Peter Plichta is one of the modern representatives of these ideas, but still moderate enough not provoke people to call him totally mad. You might want to read more of him. :-) Seriously, thanks for replying. This is all far too woo-woo and ungrounded for me. I was just curious as to whether you were as woo-woo as you seemed from a few things you dropped casually into your posts. That now seems to be settled. I have no problem with you believing the things you believe, but I don't find those things fascinating enough (or, for that matter, real enough) to discuss, given the posting limits here. Do keep posting, however. And you might consider having discussions with Nablusos1008 and a few others. You'd get along. He knows special stuff about Maitreya and the Space Brothers the same way you know special stuff about physics. May you grow up to be a floater, May your tin foil hat always fit, May you always know the truth When others see only shit. May you always be on the program, May your flowing robes be long, May you stay forever young, Forever young, forever young, May you stay forever young. - Bob Dylan, Forever Young, the TM bootleg version --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hagen J. Holtz hagen.j.holtz@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hagen J. Holtz hagen.j.holtz@ wrote: The counterforce to gravity has already been detected by the Austrian scientist Viktor Schauberger in the beginning of the last century. He named it levitation. One of his sayings was that Newton should not have been taking so much effort on finding out how the apple fell from the tree but how it came up on the tree. I have to admit that this is one of the most bizarre sayings I've ever heard attributed to a scientist. Not that that's a bad thing. It's like physics done by Steven Wright. http://www.weather.net/zarg/ZarPages/stevenWright.html I do not know what Wright used to say, but there had been quite a few people who already went into the right direction of explorating real nature mechanics. Schauberger's eagerness started as typically with some key-experience. He was working as a forester in Austria, once crossing a rapid creek, where he tried to lean on some stick, touching an alleged black stone. That stone hatched out to get a stand a few inches further up the stream, not showing the slightest movement. He recognized that it was a trout, bending its body almost to a sphere, in order to resist against the drift without spending the slightest visible effort. Schauberger found out, that the trout was following the patterns of this new force by its own nature automatically, and gave it the name levitational force. He discovered new flow theories, which could get verified by the University uf Stuttgart, Germany. Adolf Hitler became so
Re: [FairfieldLife] Intelligent stuff ([FairfieldLife] Re: Stupid stuff.)
Sometimes it is difficult to distinguish between a woo-woo and a person, who has no problems to go one step further. It seems too often as if the world was only distinguishable between the normal crazy ones (the main stream) and the real crazy guys (those, who are not able to stand the monotony of the main-stream anymore but do not find balancing alternatives and therefore tilt). I was always interested in those, who just fell somewhere in between. And only, I assure you, for practical reasons. It is the realm, where you really will find joy of surfing on the wave. But indeed, pegasus' flying behind the moon-theories had also never been of great interest for me. Matters have to be always lying on the border of what could be possible or at least probable. Thanks for at least having found out that I do not seem to be totally woo-woo. ´You seem to be a good doctor and so it gives hope to me (for others and for myself as well) :-))). - Original Message - From: TurquoiseB To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 11:17 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Intelligent stuff ([FairfieldLife] Re: Stupid stuff.) Hagen, suggesting a reading assignment: You will really get fever from it and your brain will be starting to work in double speed, like a horse, which cannot be harnessed anymore. Ah, that explains your writing style. :-) Peter Plichta is one of the modern representatives of these ideas, but still moderate enough not provoke people to call him totally mad. You might want to read more of him. :-) Seriously, thanks for replying. This is all far too woo-woo and ungrounded for me. I was just curious as to whether you were as woo-woo as you seemed from a few things you dropped casually into your posts. That now seems to be settled. I have no problem with you believing the things you believe, but I don't find those things fascinating enough (or, for that matter, real enough) to discuss, given the posting limits here. Do keep posting, however. And you might consider having discussions with Nablusos1008 and a few others. You'd get along. He knows special stuff about Maitreya and the Space Brothers the same way you know special stuff about physics. May you grow up to be a floater, May your tin foil hat always fit, May you always know the truth When others see only shit. May you always be on the program, May your flowing robes be long, May you stay forever young, Forever young, forever young, May you stay forever young. - Bob Dylan, Forever Young, the TM bootleg version --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hagen J. Holtz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hagen J. Holtz hagen.j.holtz@ wrote: The counterforce to gravity has already been detected by the Austrian scientist Viktor Schauberger in the beginning of the last century. He named it levitation. One of his sayings was that Newton should not have been taking so much effort on finding out how the apple fell from the tree but how it came up on the tree. I have to admit that this is one of the most bizarre sayings I've ever heard attributed to a scientist. Not that that's a bad thing. It's like physics done by Steven Wright. http://www.weather.net/zarg/ZarPages/stevenWright.html I do not know what Wright used to say, but there had been quite a few people who already went into the right direction of explorating real nature mechanics. Schauberger's eagerness started as typically with some key-experience. He was working as a forester in Austria, once crossing a rapid creek, where he tried to lean on some stick, touching an alleged black stone. That stone hatched out to get a stand a few inches further up the stream, not showing the slightest movement. He recognized that it was a trout, bending its body almost to a sphere, in order to resist against the drift without spending the slightest visible effort. Schauberger found out, that the trout was following the patterns of this new force by its own nature automatically, and gave it the name levitational force. He discovered new flow theories, which could get verified by the University uf Stuttgart, Germany. Adolf Hitler became so much interested in him, that he conscripted Schauberger to wrk in a team, designing the first jet fighter in the world. Schauberger was too ahead and too far away from the interests of economical thinking. Therefore his theories got annihilated like Tesla's as well by clever forces. Now you're starting to sound like Steven Wright. :-) Schauberger, similar like Tesla, was able to deliver plans, where it would have been able to conctruct machines working with so-called zero-point or space-energy. This was a great thorn is the eyes of certain people, and it was interesting that Texans of
[FairfieldLife] From Michael Morgan : My trip to India (first hand account)
from Michael Morgan Dear Friends Jai Guru Dev Jai Guru Dev Jai Guru Dev While this is still fresh in my mind, I’d like to put down my experiences for both my meditating and non meditating friends of the last week. I don’t recommend going and returning from India in one week, but this is what nature provided. First of all, thanks to all those who supported me in my journey here and back: Deborah Deldebbio for supporting my many and unreasonable requests, my friend Rich Sims such a good friend who helped me pack when I was on the verge of exhaustion (little did I know this was just the beginning), Doreen Liss for her loving support, Liz Skinner for keeping things together with property management when I was away, and for many many of you who also wanted to be on this trip. The beginning of this of course started with news of Maharishi’s passing on February 5th. Then all of us were invited to come to a celebration of his passing on February 10th. With 24 hours notice, a couple of thousand of us in the US saw if we could organize flights to Allahabad India for his funeral. That’s a flight to New Delhi then another flight 500 miles away to the state of Uttar Prahash in the North. I spend 48 demanding hours arranging flights, only to find at the last moment, before I was ready to pay on my credit card, that my flight was cancelled. Actually Air India had overbooked by 100 seats. I found out later they had resold the same seats for $1000 more, but didn’t even know about this till later. At that point, Thursday night before leaving on Friday, I was about to give up. But my friend Carla Brown and her friend Laura found a ticket out to New York, and we found a way to get there. What followed was the beginning of an extraordinary journey. A 15 hour flight to Bombay (Mumbai) and then on to Delhi. This was the beginning of a 5 person team that I’ve been with constantly for the last 5 days. Myself, Carla Brown (my TM teaching buddy) Laura Tomaszewska, Allan Lorie Reminick (in charge of the Brahmanstan project in Kansas) We were to bond in extraordinary ways over the next few days. When we arrive, no flights to Allahabad or Veranasi, 80 miles away. Actually no seats on the train either. There are so many people coming from all over the world that every available mode of transportation is tied up. It is also the time of the Kumba Mela, a spiritual festival in the same area where millions of people are know to come. So our best option is to hire a car/van or driver and drive 14 hours or over 500 miles into the interior of India, which we did. But first a word about bartering. My assistant Deborah had arranged from the US for a driver, who wanted to charge each person $200 US for our trip, which was almost as much as a plane flight. I told Deborah we didn’t need the help of Ranjan, our contact in India, because our friend Laurie had a better source. It turned our Deborah had also been speaking to Ranjan without knowing it. So our first hour at the airport, wanting to get the Maharishi’s services by early the next morning, was spend bartering Ranjan down to $115, his rock bottom rupee price. You find out very quickly in India the bartering rule of 4 to 1. That means, if a taxi driver says 20 rupees, the actual cost is 5. He expects you to bargain, but if you don’t, he is very very happy. After being constantly overcharged one learns very quickly this formula or runs out of money. One rickshaw driver put it very well to me the last night I was here: “you have a lot of money, and I have none. You should let me take you…” Anyway, 5 of us crammed into a mini van with our luggage left on and left about 10:30 in the morning. Our driver spoke very little English, but was a very good driver, which was fortunate, because driving in India involves not only driving on the left side of the road, but constantly using the horn and bobbing between pedestrians, rickshaws, motorcycles with a mom, dad, baby and child on board, camels, horses, monkeys, trucks, buses and cars (notice cars are the last on the list. Just a couple of high points of the trip. First the rest stop. This is where we pull up, first for the driver to pay road taxes, and like a circus any number of vendors surround the car. The monkey who jumps on my window side, the snake charmer with the cobra, the guy on the other side of the car selling peacock feathers, and the other guy selling postcards and the other guy selling coke. Speaking of coke, one of the occasional wafts was the smell of marijuana that would accent the journey on the road, hotels, and other unexpected areas from time to time... We drive and drive and drive. India has a lot of people and there is incredible poverty, but the people are very devoted to god, in whatever way that shows up. We stop at one point for a rest break and end up in the middle of an Indian wedding, which is a very big affair. Talk about a mega party. Early
[FairfieldLife] True Evil
Posted by: Duveyoung Mon Feb 18, 2008 10:12 pm (PST) Oh, yeah, there's true evil in the world ... Edg No there isn't. It's all fake. Sam
[FairfieldLife] Posting Limits reminder and hints
For the benefit of the newcomers to Fairfield Life. As you may have heard discussed, even if you didn't get the FAQ that discusses it, there is a posting limit here of 50 posts per week. The week is from midnight Friday thru the following midnight on Friday, Fairfield time. The count starts over at 00:01 Saturday morning. In terms of keeping track of your posts, if you are a prolific poster, there is a tool that works, as of this moment -- the Yahoo Advanced Search engine. It is HIGHLY unreliable; often its indexing mechanism is broken and in the past it has missed almost half of the posts made. So I wouldn't...uh...count on it as your *only* mechanism for tracking the number of posts you've made here. But as of this week it seems to be working again. To access and use it: 1. Go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/msearch_adv 2. In the Date fields, choose is after in the first field, followed by the date of the *Friday* that starts the posting week. For example, for this week you would choose is after February 15 2008. 3. Enter your ID in the Author field. 4. Click Search. The total number of posts is shown at the top of the resulting list. This total may be off a bit, even when the Search engine is working, depending on your time zone. To make sure, click the Last link and check to see whether some of the posts listed might have fallen into the previous week in your time zone. A much better method, since the Yahoo Search engine is flaky to the max, is just to keep an editor window open on your computer and make a tick mark every time you post. Or keep a paper checklist. I'm not a moderator, and am only posting this because during the past two weeks we had a break in the posting limits, and some folks may have gotten used to the idea of posting as much as they want. Now the limits are back in effect, and the penalty for going over the limit is that you lose your posting rights for a week. The posting limits sound a tad authoritarian, and some here think they are. But they were started for a reason, and the majority of posters think they are still good and relevant reasons. I find that knowing that I have a finite number of posts each week makes me stop and think before I hit the Send key, which in my case is a very good thing. :-) Happy posting...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Siddhi
A guru is a teacher on any subject. A realised being is very hard to define.I would go with some definitions from the Bhagavad Gita, one is 'Shtita prajna': one whose intellect is stable or established beyond duality. The other is: 'seeing the Self in al beings and all beings in the Self'. When a realised being teaches this atma vidya by means of methods coming from a genuine lineage, he is called a satguru. However, the job of a satguru is to open the awareness of the disciple to the inner teacher or the Divine within. In my tradition (Swami Rama -Swami Veda) guru is more a function than a distinct person. Every true guru 'channels' as it were the guru principle, the 'Teaching Spirit of the Universe, variously called Narayana or -in the Yoga Sutras Hiranyagarbha, the 'Golden Womb'. This is my understanding but there are many other approaches. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just understood that this is the difference between a Realized Being and a guru. What do people know about this? Vaj? ___ _ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
[FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nadir
Here in my hometown lives (lived?) a guy from India, a guy, who has a very common Muslim Christian [huh?] name. For some reason he doesn't seem to like using his forename, so he goes by his family name, hwich happens to be 'Nadir'...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Intelligent stuff ([FairfieldLife] Re: Stupid stuff.)
Indeed I meant playing doctor regarding your concerns now, I confess, it is very difficult to disentangle who took whom amongst us in what manner serious Therefore let us prefer to say from now on, in case we do not find any non-ambiguous conclusion, woo-woo ! (instead of Jai Guru Dev ! for example) :) - Original Message - From: TurquoiseB To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 12:46 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Intelligent stuff ([FairfieldLife] Re: Stupid stuff.) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hagen J. Holtz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sometimes it is difficult to distinguish between a woo-woo and a person, who has no problems to go one step further. It seems too often as if the world was only distinguishable between the normal crazy ones (the main stream) and the real crazy guys (those, who are not able to stand the monotony of the main-stream anymore but do not find balancing alternatives and therefore tilt). I was always interested in those, who just fell somewhere in between. You'll find a few here. :-) You'll also find a few for whom the woo-woo reactions extend to their claimed experiences, not just intellectual theories about things. To quote Roy Batty, I've seen things you people wouldn't believe... And only, I assure you, for practical reasons. It is the realm, where you really will find joy of surfing on the wave. But indeed, pegasus' flying behind the moon-theories had also never been of great interest for me. Matters have to be always lying on the border of what could be possible or at least probable. Thanks for at least having found out that I do not seem to be totally woo-woo. ´You seem to be a good doctor and so it gives hope to me (for others and for myself as well) :-))). Just for the record, since you may have me confused with some other poster, I am not a doctor. The closest I've ever gotten to that status is playing doctor, something I was fond of in my youth and never outgrew. :-) - Original Message - From: TurquoiseB To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 11:17 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Intelligent stuff ([FairfieldLife] Re: Stupid stuff.) Hagen, suggesting a reading assignment: You will really get fever from it and your brain will be starting to work in double speed, like a horse, which cannot be harnessed anymore. Ah, that explains your writing style. :-) Peter Plichta is one of the modern representatives of these ideas, but still moderate enough not provoke people to call him totally mad. You might want to read more of him. :-) Seriously, thanks for replying. This is all far too woo-woo and ungrounded for me. I was just curious as to whether you were as woo-woo as you seemed from a few things you dropped casually into your posts. That now seems to be settled. I have no problem with you believing the things you believe, but I don't find those things fascinating enough (or, for that matter, real enough) to discuss, given the posting limits here. Do keep posting, however. And you might consider having discussions with Nablusos1008 and a few others. You'd get along. He knows special stuff about Maitreya and the Space Brothers the same way you know special stuff about physics. May you grow up to be a floater, May your tin foil hat always fit, May you always know the truth When others see only shit. May you always be on the program, May your flowing robes be long, May you stay forever young, Forever young, forever young, May you stay forever young. - Bob Dylan, Forever Young, the TM bootleg version --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hagen J. Holtz hagen.j.holtz@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hagen J. Holtz hagen.j.holtz@ wrote: The counterforce to gravity has already been detected by the Austrian scientist Viktor Schauberger in the beginning of the last century. He named it levitation. One of his sayings was that Newton should not have been taking so much effort on finding out how the apple fell from the tree but how it came up on the tree. I have to admit that this is one of the most bizarre sayings I've ever heard attributed to a scientist. Not that that's a bad thing. It's like physics done by Steven Wright. http://www.weather.net/zarg/ZarPages/stevenWright.html I do not know what Wright used to say, but there had been quite a few people who already went into the right direction of explorating real nature mechanics. Schauberger's eagerness started as typically with some key-experience. He was working as a forester in Austria, once crossing a rapid creek, where he tried to lean on some
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: FW: My Dinner With Doctor Mahapatra
Hi, I am not Dr. Mahapatra's relative. I just happen to have the same surname. His native place is about 25 miles from my native place. P Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of geezerfreak Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 10:13 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: FW: My Dinner With Doctor Mahapatra --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, pratap Mahapatra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know a few things and I swear everything is correct that I write here, not speculation!! The Movement had about 6000 Pandit boys in Noida campus. All came through Dr. Mahapatra's effort. The boys had very regourous daily routine that they could not handle. The teachers or supervisors were very bad. I know a few of them were involved with the boys sexually. Then the boys exploded and lit fire in the campus. There were anarchy. Naturally Dr. Mahapatra confronted very difficult situation following this. P Thanks Doc. Who wants to contact Oliver Stone? This movie must get made! Dr. Mahapatras first name is not Pratap. It starts with a G. This may be a relative. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.7/1284 - Release Date: 2/17/2008 2:39 PM - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Castro retires to work on the Vedas
Shemp, thanks for the hilarious title thread! --- shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If there is any justice in the world, he'll go to heaven really quickly, too. http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080219/D8UTC77G2.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
RE: [FairfieldLife] Even a sick man can open a health food store
--- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of deepaconn Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 6:20 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Even a sick man can open a health food store I wonder if he realized how prescient his statement was, with regard to his own behaviour...Even a sick man can open a health food store. When I first heard M speak these words on my TTC, I had no doubt they were directed at the teachers-in-training. After his death, as more and more evidence is revealed that he was just like the rest of us, with our foibles, worries, fears for what might be, I see these words, now, applied to him. Take him off the pedestal! What ever state of consciousness he was in, he was just a human being. Some examples: * He was in the middle of all sorts of financail shananigans, here and abroad(see FFL). * A hushed-up medical crisis in '91 (?) took him to England for treatment, and he was worried about picking up Deepak's karma as the result of a blood transfusion(see Chopra/Huffington Post). * He expressed worry to a movemant doctor about his prostate and the subsequently had a prostate operation in Switzerland(see FFL) * He had ongoing treatment for diabetes and (possibly)pancreatitus(see FFL). * He had explosive anger, exhibited petty jealousies, and blatant favoritism. Lying was de rigeur.(FFL) * He had women he bedded and a teenage-like obsessiveness after one of these women left his grasp(see FFL:Sexy Sadie files). * He feared that the karma he'd created after bedding these women caused the death of a TTC course participant(see FFL:Sexy Sadie files). * He suspected that having women cook for him caused the increase in his libido, so... all females out...all male parusha cooks in(see FFL:Sexy Sadie files). No telling if that was the end of the women. I found FFL through a Google search after M died. maharishi dead plunked me smack dab into a FFL thread about the circumstances surrounding his death and I was hooked. In all my years with the TMO, beginning in '70, I rarely felt I had a safe place to express my doubts, share my intuitions, be myself. Those few whom I could spoke to knew little more then I did. Thank you Rick; thank you all for being here. Cath I agree with all this, but could also build a similar, probably longer list of positive qualities and accomplishments. Its paradoxical, but somehow I can accept it all. But you have to add something else here that makes all the difference and creates the ultimate paradox: Maharishi absolutely radiated the Divine. Whatever that actually means, it was a palpable experience in his presence. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.7/1286 - Release Date: 2/18/2008 6:49 PM Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Validity of Mahrishi's apaurusheya bhasya in the light of linguistics
No, I'm not suggesting that. What I suggest is a cup of hot chai for this go nowhere purely in vain conversation! --- Zoran Krneta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are suggesting that there is a Brahman on one side which can be known through transcendental knowledge and on the other side is everything else like ego, mind, senses... etc. What kind of Brahman is that which doesn't include everything and can not be the object of gross perception? Seems you fall in trap of dualism... Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Siddhi
I like the understanding that guru is more a function than a person. There are many Realized people, but very few guru's. The two people that I have encountered that have functioned as satgurus are Maharishi and Sri Sri Ravi Shankar. Both radiate (or in one case radiated!) a palpable Divine transcendent quality/energy. Sometimes it is very, very strong and at other times it is less, but always there. Several Realized people I have met don't radiate like this. You can experience it inside them through their eyes, but they don't enliven that divine in others. That's why it seems that guru is a siddhi or a particular shakti of the absolute. --- gyselsvishnu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A guru is a teacher on any subject. A realised being is very hard to define.I would go with some definitions from the Bhagavad Gita, one is 'Shtita prajna': one whose intellect is stable or established beyond duality. The other is: 'seeing the Self in al beings and all beings in the Self'. When a realised being teaches this atma vidya by means of methods coming from a genuine lineage, he is called a satguru. However, the job of a satguru is to open the awareness of the disciple to the inner teacher or the Divine within. In my tradition (Swami Rama -Swami Veda) guru is more a function than a distinct person. Every true guru 'channels' as it were the guru principle, the 'Teaching Spirit of the Universe, variously called Narayana or -in the Yoga Sutras Hiranyagarbha, the 'Golden Womb'. This is my understanding but there are many other approaches. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just understood that this is the difference between a Realized Being and a guru. What do people know about this? Vaj? ___ _ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
[FairfieldLife] Castro retires to work on the Vedas
If there is any justice in the world, he'll go to heaven really quickly, too. http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080219/D8UTC77G2.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Castro retires to work on the Vedas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If there is any justice in the world, he'll go to heaven really quickly, too. The truth is that he's heard that there is a vacancy at the top of the TMO. Uns.
[FairfieldLife] Re: From Michael Morgan : My trip to India (first hand account)
from Michael Morgan We were close enough to see the golden urn containing Maharishiâs ashes and see the water rising out the last of his remains into the river. Quite a Vedic recitation, then a 5 minute silent meditation, and we were done. One the way back Laurie was very keen to go to the bank of the Ganges and take a dip. So we did. She went in first, Indian Sari and all. Allan debated whether this was a good idea. Then my new acquaintance Bolton and his wife and daughter got off the boat and then totally immersed themselves. So I finally did the same. The water was cold but curiously refreshing. Then Carla, with all her dignity, waded in, blue Sari white beads and all, and totally dunked herself. I think everyone did, even the initially reluctant Allan. The image of Laura Tomaszewski leading the immersion of clothed people in the Ganges reminds me of a day in the 1970s at one of the Fairfield-area beaches when we were students at Maharishi International University. She came out of the dressing room in a string bikini that was among the skimpiest beachwear I had seen anywhere, much less on an MIU student. But Laura, class act that she is, carried herself with her usual grace and joy, exhibiting none of the self- consciousness that many of the other women would display when they came out of the dressing room. We were there to get in the water, not be shy! I'm glad to read she's still full of life, even at a funeral.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nadir
I was part of the Cambridge center and knew John. It was powerful sitting next to him in the flying wall at the times I did that. I could feel the intense energy. I also knew Tony. I also knew Sam Gravina. --- Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Samuel Gravina Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 9:14 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nadir I also knew John Hagelen back then. He too was a very regular guy. I initiated John Hagelin. I should share some stories. And after Rick was gone from Connecticut John used to come to MY advanced lectures ;-) No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.7/1286 - Release Date: 2/18/2008 6:49 PM Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
[FairfieldLife] Ever wonder where Mark Twain got this idea?
Remember in Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court when the Yankee goes back in time and just when he's about to be killed he threatens to blot out the sun because he knows a solar eclipse is about to happen? This is where Twain must have gotten the idea: from: http://www.breitbart.com/article.php? id=080218195400.xhq81wuashow_article=1 And an eclipse is credited with saving the life of Christopher Columbus and his crew in 1504. Stranded on the coast of Jamaica, the explorers were running out of food and faced with increasingly hostile local inhabitants who were refusing to provide them with any more supplies. Columbus, looking at an astronomical almanac compiled by a German mathematician, realised that a total eclipse of the Moon would occur on February 29, 1504. He called the native leaders and warned them if they did not cooperate, he would make the Moon disappear from the sky the following night. The warning, of course, came true, prompting the terrified people to beg Columbus to restore the Moon -- which he did, in return for as much food as his men needed. He and the crew were rescued on June 29, 1504.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ned Wynn's Book, was: Three predictions
On Feb 18, 2008, at 3:47 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote: Shemp wrote: I read it about 10 years ago. But, it's interesting. In over 300 pages covering TTCs in India, Spain, and Italy over the course of nearly five years, with Ned supposedly carry the skin around, being the door boy, and managing the TTCs, not once did Ned mention anything about seeing the Marshy being in bed with any female students. My guess would be he kept the door closed.
[FairfieldLife] 'Hillary's Black Supporters Bewildered'
You can see the confusion on some of their faces, hear the concern in their voices. How in the world do we deal with this? Hillary Clinton's black supporters -- especially the most prominent ones -- hadn't expected their candidate to be in a dogfight right now. They thought Barack Obama was an election cycle or two away from being serious presidential timber. They thought Bill Clinton's presidency and the close relationships the Clintons had forged with African Americans would translate into goo-gobs of votes in '08. They were wrong. Remember all the commentator chatter last summer: Is Barack Obama black enough? Well, he's black enough now. Obama has swamped Clinton among black voters in each of the 20 contests that had exit polls and large enough samples of African Americans to be meaningful. Just to put that kind of shutout in perspective, black voters represent the only demographic group that the New York senator has not carried at least once during the Democratic primary campaign. Obama now has such a lock on the loyalties of African Americans -- 84 percent of the black vote in Alabama, 87 percent in Georgia, 84 percent in Maryland, and on and on -- that the black vote is no longer contestable. Which brings us back to the dilemma facing some of Clinton's high-profile black supporters -- those with titles and constituencies of their own. They are feeling some kind of crazy pressure. Last Friday, about 25 of them held an hour-long conference call to discuss what one described as an effort to pester, intimidate, question our blackness for not supporting Obama. The catalyst for the call was a report in the New York Times that Rep. John Lewis (D-Ga.) was wavering in his support of Clinton. Lewis would not comment, but according to the Times, the congressman had indicated he was prepared to fully flip and back Obama and thus be more in step with his congressional district, which voted 3-to-1 for Obama on Super Tuesday. This bit of news was extremely significant, for Lewis is one of the coveted superdelegates, those 796 elected officials and party insiders who are not bound by anything that has or will happen at the polls. They are free to choose the candidate of their liking, as unpledged delegates to the national convention. And with the nomination fight so razor-close, they are being wooed -- some say harassed -- like never before. Lewis's office tried to put the brakes on the notion that a switch of allegiance to Obama was imminent. But too late. Some of Clinton's other black supporters decided to rally and try to blunt the fallout. Among those on the conference call were Trenton Mayor Doug Palmer, former Denver mayor Wellington Webb, and congresswomen Sheila Jackson Lee of Texas and Stephanie Tubbs Jones of Ohio. Palmer was among the more forceful voices, urging others on the call, as he put it yesterday, to stand up and say why you're for Hillary Clinton in the face of adversity. We can't afford to be wishy-washy . . . Stand up. Fight. Advocate for your candidate. Don't capitulate. . . . Don't let nobody intimidate or threaten you. Just hold on. In an interview Palmer still sounded riled about a few things he had heard about. One of them, reported by the Associated Press, was a private conversation between Rep. Emanuel Cleaver (D-Mo.), a Clinton supporter, and Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr. (D-Ill.), one of Obama's national campaign co-chairmen. Both lawmakers are superdelegates. Jackson had asked Cleaver if he wanted to go down in history as someone who prevented an African American from occupying the White House for the first time. Separately, Jackson told the AP that supporting Clinton in districts where Obama won overwhelmingly might place those politicians at risk of a primary challenge. It just so happens that Palmer, the first black mayor of Trenton and an 18-year incumbent, presides over a city that voted overwhelmingly for Obama. Not that he is worried, mind you. Just bothered. To intimate that you may face a challenge for what you believe in, I just think that's over the top, said Palmer, who was first elected in 1990 by a 300-vote margin and has been reelected fairly easily ever since. I think my citizens pretty much understand that I am a person who stands up for what I believe in. I'm not saying that if I run again somebody won't hold that against me. That's politics. And should some upstart decide to take him on in 2010 for siding with Clinton in this year's presidential race? My thing is: Bring it on! Palmer declared. Bravado has its place in American politics, but so does perspective. Black Clinton supporters are feeling the same heat that black backers of Walter Mondale felt in 1984. Many black elected officials signed on early with Mondale, some because of the former vice president's civil rights record and his long ties to African Americans, some because of practical political
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Siddhi
A 'true' guru has indeed a radiating quality. I also experienced it with Maharishi while posing a question to him in Holland. When he was looking at me, it was like a vast ocean of tranquility rolling over me. Some time ago I had a personal chat with Sri Sri Ravi Shankar in the Euro parliament in my hometown Brussels. He was reaching out to me verbally by saying 'and you, how are you?' but, more importantly, he radiated a blissful energy into my heart chakra. So, whatever the 'shadow'issues and powertrips around masters, they are in some respects no ordinary human beings... They indeed possess larger amounts of shakti. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I like the understanding that guru is more a function than a person. There are many Realized people, but very few guru's. The two people that I have encountered that have functioned as satgurus are Maharishi and Sri Sri Ravi Shankar. Both radiate (or in one case radiated!) a palpable Divine transcendent quality/energy. Sometimes it is very, very strong and at other times it is less, but always there. Several Realized people I have met don't radiate like this. You can experience it inside them through their eyes, but they don't enliven that divine in others. That's why it seems that guru is a siddhi or a particular shakti of the absolute. --- gyselsvishnu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A guru is a teacher on any subject. A realised being is very hard to define.I would go with some definitions from the Bhagavad Gita, one is 'Shtita prajna': one whose intellect is stable or established beyond duality. The other is: 'seeing the Self in al beings and all beings in the Self'. When a realised being teaches this atma vidya by means of methods coming from a genuine lineage, he is called a satguru. However, the job of a satguru is to open the awareness of the disciple to the inner teacher or the Divine within. In my tradition (Swami Rama -Swami Veda) guru is more a function than a distinct person. Every true guru 'channels' as it were the guru principle, the 'Teaching Spirit of the Universe, variously called Narayana or -in the Yoga Sutras Hiranyagarbha, the 'Golden Womb'. This is my understanding but there are many other approaches. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: I just understood that this is the difference between a Realized Being and a guru. What do people know about this? Vaj? _ __ _ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ ___ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
[FairfieldLife] The Veda in Scandinavia
From Blaine Watson We were in Seelisberg for Guru Purnimah in the summer of 1982. Some time after the full moon celebration Maharishi was meeting with us in the large lecture hall and began to discuss the Veda. One of the teachers from Finland stood up and asked Maharishi if he would like to listen to some of the traditional chanting of the laplanders in Finland. It is called yoicking. Here is what i found out about the Laplanders from the internet. The Saami (there are other names for the same people, including Sámi, Lapp, Davvin, etc.) are an indigenous people of northern Sweden, Norway, Finland, Siberia and the Kola peninsula in northern Russia. The Saami are one of the largest groups of indigenous peoples in Europe. They call their ancestral lands Sápmi. The population of about 85,000 are primarily farmers and reindeer herders. Roughly half the Saami population lives in Norway, although Sweden also has a significant group. Finland and Russia only have smaller groups. The Saami folk have inhabited northern regions of Scandinavia since far back into antiquity. The culture of the Fenni, a tribe described by the Roman historian Tacitus, among others, as hunter-gatherers who dwelt in the lands north of the Baltic, is identifable with the Saami. During the Middle Ages many groups of Saami were forced to pay tribute to their southern neighbors, the rulers of Norway, Russia and Sweden, a practice which continued in some cases until the 19th century. One very interesting Saami tradition is the singing of jojk (in English, yoicks, not to be confused with the call used in fox hunting). Yoicks are traditionally sung a capella, usually sung slowly and deep in the throat with apparent emotional content of sorrow or anger. Christian missionaries and priests regarded these as songs of the Devil. In recent years, yoicks are frequently accompanied by musical instruments. It has been conjectured that yoicks are a highly modified form of Sama Veda, one of the four Vedic traditions of India and the one that pundits sing most slowly. The name of the Saami people may actually have been derived from the Sanskrit word Sama. A tape was put on a playback machine that could regulate the speed of the playback. The sounds was deep and throaty and a little bit rough. As it was playing Maharishi asked that it be slowed down. IT became more melodious as it was played slower and he asked again that it be slowed down even further. Suddenly it became very smooth and melodic and exactly what we know to be Sama Veda without any difference at all. It was truly dramatic. You could make out the sanskrit words being spoken and the meter was absolutely perfectly matched to the sama veda that we listened to every day. Maharishi, and i don't remember the exact words unfortunately. then spoke of the last remnants of the vedic culture in the baltic sea area of europe. Even the name of the Laplanders, the Sammi people, alone is indication that they must have been descendants of sama veda pandits in the far distant past. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.7/1286 - Release Date: 2/18/2008 6:49 PM
[FairfieldLife] Yawgig playing? : D
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[FairfieldLife] The Hag and Bev are NOT opposites (Re: Tony Nadir)
Knob, You astound me with the regularity of your wicked snarking. You're a true genius of besmirchingness. Is there nothing so low that you will not say it? Are you as insane as you present? Or, are you merely the doppleganger of another poster here who uses your mask to utter such crud -- are you merely a foul mouthed dummy on the lap of some ventriloquist here? You're a Zen experience, yes, you are. Just when I think I'm immune to your darkness, and just when I think I've come to some separate peace with the fact that you are running around the world with that brain and almost certainly alienating people right and left with such corrosive ideation, BLAM you hit me in a blindspot again. Truly, I bow to that which can so consistently produce this relentlessly flowing stream of filth that exudes from you like a foul ichor. You un-had me at ick. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: They're scumbags and elitists and twisted sociopaths to say the things they say while knowing all the real world contradictions to their statements. Try asking either of them a hard question as they scurry from one place to another -- you'll be ignored. Still hurt because they got laid more often than you ? :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Attention nablusoss
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity ruthsimplicity@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: Do you think that the TMOs, or any specific TMO, has any ethical obligations to donees? None whatsoever. Apart from the obvious moral question mark over this the TMO has, like every other organisation, a legal requirement to either use money raised for the stated purpose it was raised for or offer a refund. That's in Europe anyway. If yes, what do you think those obligations are? Do you think that the TMOs have a duty to disclose to contributors how their money will be spent? No, why should they ? When money is given, to anyone, anywhere its given and gone. I'll bet they love you, just what any org could want a willing donor who never asks questions. Do you think that the TMOs have a duty to tell the truth if in fact they do disclose how money is spent? Absolutely not. BTW; I question your idea about truth. I question the value of your teaching if you think a spiritual movement has no obligation to the truth.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Barak Obama Maitreya?
Curtis, Good find! Good find! Man, I'm just so afraid of the masses investing in Obama with such a spiritual hope. Do you agree that he's got so much power now that something's wrong with this picture for Obama to have gotten this far? I'm being paranoid here, but listen: this guy has the masses in his hands and if he tells them to do something, they will -- by the millions. Question: why is he still alive, and why is BigMoney trying so hard to smite Hillary instead of Obama? Here's my darkest fear: Obama's been already bought off -- hard to believe -- or, they've got something on Obama that they haven't trotted out yet for their ultimate swiftboating of him. I'm hoping that BigMoney has missed what is happening and think that mere racism can be counted on to vote against Obama. But, if they don't kill him, then they're after bigger game sez moi. What's the bigger game? To thoroughly defrock Obama and show the masses that Obama has feet of clay and that their hopes and dreams and inspirations were falsely based and to, you know, never dream this big again. Now that would be an assassination -- a true stab at the American ideals we all believe in but seldom realize. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://tinyurl.com/2etw2c Nabby, big news! Ahead of schedule Maitreya as busted his move! Get Creme on the horn, he is out of the loop. Judy, don't miss this!
[FairfieldLife] If the world wants to be healed, here's one cure that works for all.
http://www.stservicemovie.com/ Rick sent me the above -- not sure if he already posted it here. Look at the sweetness that life can sprout anywhere -- like a flower in a crack in the sidewalk. When I think of all the time I waste experiencing things which cannot lift me upsigh This video brought on my tears -- yours? Edg
[FairfieldLife] Re: Attention nablusoss
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo richardhughes103@ wrote: Do you think that the TMOs have a duty to tell the truth if in fact they do disclose how money is spent? Absolutely not. BTW; I question your idea about truth. I question the value of your teaching if you think a spiritual movement has no obligation to the truth. I'm glad to hear that you know the full truth and nothing but the truth Mr. - I don't. I think you deliberately misunderstand people to avoid answering awkward questions. So let me put it a bit more unambigously; Do you think a spiritual movement has an obligation to be honest in it's dealings with others? I say yes it does, because treating people how we like to be treated is a cornerstone of decency, to lie and cheat money off people (as I've seen the TMO do) sucks, especially if you are claiming enlightenment, what is there to aim for if the men at the top are a bunch of crooks? Is that the sort of thinking we should be attuned to?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Siddhi
--- gyselsvishnu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A 'true' guru has indeed a radiating quality. I also experienced it with Maharishi while posing a question to him in Holland. When he was looking at me, it was like a vast ocean of tranquility rolling over me. Great description of Maharishi's darshan. The first time I met him in 1972 he locked onto my eyes and blew me away into Infinity. Some time ago I had a personal chat with Sri Sri Ravi Shankar in the Euro parliament in my hometown Brussels. He was reaching out to me verbally by saying 'and you, how are you?' but, more importantly, he radiated a blissful energy into my heart chakra. With Sri Sri it took about 2 years before I felt anything. I wanted to feel something but besides him being a nice guy, nothing too much. Then he was down here in Florida and I walked into a room where he sitting and POW! Pure Infinity radiating from him. Ever since then I swoon in that Ocean of Infinity when he's around. So, whatever the 'shadow'issues and powertrips around masters, they are in some respects no ordinary human beings... They indeed possess larger amounts of shakti. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I like the understanding that guru is more a function than a person. There are many Realized people, but very few guru's. The two people that I have encountered that have functioned as satgurus are Maharishi and Sri Sri Ravi Shankar. Both radiate (or in one case radiated!) a palpable Divine transcendent quality/energy. Sometimes it is very, very strong and at other times it is less, but always there. Several Realized people I have met don't radiate like this. You can experience it inside them through their eyes, but they don't enliven that divine in others. That's why it seems that guru is a siddhi or a particular shakti of the absolute. --- gyselsvishnu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A guru is a teacher on any subject. A realised being is very hard to define.I would go with some definitions from the Bhagavad Gita, one is 'Shtita prajna': one whose intellect is stable or established beyond duality. The other is: 'seeing the Self in al beings and all beings in the Self'. When a realised being teaches this atma vidya by means of methods coming from a genuine lineage, he is called a satguru. However, the job of a satguru is to open the awareness of the disciple to the inner teacher or the Divine within. In my tradition (Swami Rama -Swami Veda) guru is more a function than a distinct person. Every true guru 'channels' as it were the guru principle, the 'Teaching Spirit of the Universe, variously called Narayana or -in the Yoga Sutras Hiranyagarbha, the 'Golden Womb'. This is my understanding but there are many other approaches. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: I just understood that this is the difference between a Realized Being and a guru. What do people know about this? Vaj? _ __ _ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ ___ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
[FairfieldLife] Westerners Sai Maa, at the Funeral
Western TM Devotees Sai Maa, at the funeral. FW: e-mail eye-witness at the funeral: paste After a few minutes of running down the street, chasing after the car, I was suddenly flagged down by a woman on my left, who had just gotten out of her car, to get my attention, she was waving both of her arms over her head in the air, she had on a cute little hat, and was dressed in white. At first I did not recognize her... I was straining to see who is this, then I burst out yelling!!! M A A, OH M A A, I can't believe you're here... To my shock and PURE DELIGHT... It was Laksmi Devi...or Chalanda Sai Ma...or Laksmi Devi Sai Maa...or now MATA JI as she likes to be called. Wow what a surprise. She had been invited personally to come to the first viewing of Maharishi's body. Only the Raja Ram and Bevan and John Hagelin, etc. were in there then.. Maa was all alone in her car, with only her driver, a sweet Indian man accompanying her. When she saw me running down the street she got out of the car to flag me down, how cute is that??? I sat there on the ground at her lap Ma caught us up on her life, and said she had moved to Australia, and really liked it there. She told us she had been invited to Maharishi's First Viewing, and that she was the fourth person to walk in front of his body and pay her respects, by putting flowers around him. She was very pleased about this, and felt very honored. She asked me the names of the dignitaries who were in the hall with her, and if I would write their names in her book. There were only a handful allowed to go in the hall privately, for that first viewing, and she was one of them. She wanted to contact all of them at a later date. So I wrote the names, Tony Nadir, now called RAJA RAM, Bevan Morris, John Hagelin, Bennie Feldman, Garish Varma, and a few others, I am forgetting now... She was happy that we knew who they were. Ma was in Allahabad for the Kumbh Mela, and she had a tent there. She invited us to come to her tent, and we got the directions from her driver, how to get there. There was a huge sea of people everywhere, and finding her would be like finding a needle in a haystack. But Ram drew up a map, and we said we'd come. Ma also told me before she left, that when she first arrived in the hall, they were all talking about only letting the Indians view Maharishi's body, and not the Westerners. She looked at me indignantly and said: I told them this was not right. Maharishi was a Guru to the West. They have been devoted to him all of these years, and they helped him create the whole world movement. They deserve to be here. She said they didn't like that I was saying this, but it was the truth. I had to say it... A woman after my own heart. I love Ma for her boldness... So I truly feel that anyone who had the Incredible Great Fortunate to be in that viewing hall, owes gratitude for the experience to Mataji (SAI MA). Ma gave each a handful of red rose petals and she was on her way. om http://www.humanityinunity.org/HIU/Home/index.cfm
[FairfieldLife] Re: Validity of Mahrishi's apaurusheya bhasya in the light of linguistics
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gyselsvishnu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of my teachers, Swami Premananda, a native Tamil speaker, claims that Tamil developed out of the experience of Amrita in the throat. THE Swami Premananda who Benjamin Creme claims to be the heir to the throne after Sai Baba ? There are several articles and interviews with him here: http://www.shareintl.org
[FairfieldLife] Is Barak Obama Maitreya?
http://tinyurl.com/2etw2c Nabby, big news! Ahead of schedule Maitreya as busted his move! Get Creme on the horn, he is out of the loop. Judy, don't miss this!
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Veda in Scandinavia
An interesting thing about Laplanders or The Saami, is that they can heal people with sounds. It is an old tradition given from the family members in one generation to the family members in the next generation. They can stop a blood stream by using sounds. They say that they read over the wounds. I once was that lucky to be given the sounds for stopping blood stream, but they keap their secrets very close in the family. It is something similar to Premodial Sounds, but much stronger, more effective. Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From Blaine Watson We were in Seelisberg for Guru Purnimah in the summer of 1982. Some time after the full moon celebration Maharishi was meeting with us in the large lecture hall and began to discuss the Veda. One of the teachers from Finland stood up and asked Maharishi if he would like to listen to some of the traditional chanting of the laplanders in Finland. It is called yoicking. Here is what i found out about the Laplanders from the internet. The Saami (there are other names for the same people, including Sámi, Lapp, Davvin, etc.) are an indigenous people of northern Sweden, Norway, Finland, Siberia and the Kola peninsula in northern Russia. The Saami are one of the largest groups of indigenous peoples in Europe. They call their ancestral lands Sápmi. The population of about 85,000 are primarily farmers and reindeer herders. Roughly half the Saami population lives in Norway, although Sweden also has a significant group. Finland and Russia only have smaller groups. The Saami folk have inhabited northern regions of Scandinavia since far back into antiquity. The culture of the Fenni, a tribe described by the Roman historian Tacitus, among others, as hunter-gatherers who dwelt in the lands north of the Baltic, is identifable with the Saami. During the Middle Ages many groups of Saami were forced to pay tribute to their southern neighbors, the rulers of Norway, Russia and Sweden, a practice which continued in some cases until the 19th century. One very interesting Saami tradition is the singing of jojk (in English, yoicks, not to be confused with the call used in fox hunting). Yoicks are traditionally sung a capella, usually sung slowly and deep in the throat with apparent emotional content of sorrow or anger. Christian missionaries and priests regarded these as songs of the Devil. In recent years, yoicks are frequently accompanied by musical instruments. It has been conjectured that yoicks are a highly modified form of Sama Veda, one of the four Vedic traditions of India and the one that pundits sing most slowly. The name of the Saami people may actually have been derived from the Sanskrit word Sama. A tape was put on a playback machine that could regulate the speed of the playback. The sounds was deep and throaty and a little bit rough. As it was playing Maharishi asked that it be slowed down. IT became more melodious as it was played slower and he asked again that it be slowed down even further. Suddenly it became very smooth and melodic and exactly what we know to be Sama Veda without any difference at all. It was truly dramatic. You could make out the sanskrit words being spoken and the meter was absolutely perfectly matched to the sama veda that we listened to every day. Maharishi, and i don't remember the exact words unfortunately. then spoke of the last remnants of the vedic culture in the baltic sea area of europe. Even the name of the Laplanders, the Sammi people, alone is indication that they must have been descendants of sama veda pandits in the far distant past. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.7/1286 - Release Date: 2/18/2008 6:49 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: From Michael Morgan : My trip to India (first hand account)
Now I must mention in this tradition women are not allowed at the cremation site. The idea is that for their own protection, it would be better not to be in the area to witness this event. I can tell you that being there as a man, it brings up the full range of feelings. However you might think of this aspect, for all of us I can appreciate the logic. The logic of chicks being too weak perhaps? Strong enough to give birth, but not strong enough to witness a cremation? It might bring up the full range of feelings, and you know how nutz chicks get when they get emotional! I'm also a fan of the rule of thumb. Extra credit for anyone who knows where that phrase comes from! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: from Michael Morgan Dear Friends Jai Guru Dev Jai Guru Dev Jai Guru Dev While this is still fresh in my mind, Iâd like to put down my experiences for both my meditating and non meditating friends of the last week. I donât recommend going and returning from India in one week, but this is what nature provided. First of all, thanks to all those who supported me in my journey here and back: Deborah Deldebbio for supporting my many and unreasonable requests, my friend Rich Sims such a good friend who helped me pack when I was on the verge of exhaustion (little did I know this was just the beginning), Doreen Liss for her loving support, Liz Skinner for keeping things together with property management when I was away, and for many many of you who also wanted to be on this trip. The beginning of this of course started with news of Maharishiâs passing on February 5th. Then all of us were invited to come to a celebration of his passing on February 10th. With 24 hours notice, a couple of thousand of us in the US saw if we could organize flights to Allahabad India for his funeral. Thatâs a flight to New Delhi then another flight 500 miles away to the state of Uttar Prahash in the North. I spend 48 demanding hours arranging flights, only to find at the last moment, before I was ready to pay on my credit card, that my flight was cancelled. Actually Air India had overbooked by 100 seats. I found out later they had resold the same seats for $1000 more, but didnât even know about this till later. At that point, Thursday night before leaving on Friday, I was about to give up. But my friend Carla Brown and her friend Laura found a ticket out to New York, and we found a way to get there. What followed was the beginning of an extraordinary journey. A 15 hour flight to Bombay (Mumbai) and then on to Delhi. This was the beginning of a 5 person team that Iâve been with constantly for the last 5 days. Myself, Carla Brown (my TM teaching buddy) Laura Tomaszewska, Allan Lorie Reminick (in charge of the Brahmanstan project in Kansas) We were to bond in extraordinary ways over the next few days. When we arrive, no flights to Allahabad or Veranasi, 80 miles away. Actually no seats on the train either. There are so many people coming from all over the world that every available mode of transportation is tied up. It is also the time of the Kumba Mela, a spiritual festival in the same area where millions of people are know to come. So our best option is to hire a car/van or driver and drive 14 hours or over 500 miles into the interior of India, which we did. But first a word about bartering. My assistant Deborah had arranged from the US for a driver, who wanted to charge each person $200 US for our trip, which was almost as much as a plane flight. I told Deborah we didnât need the help of Ranjan, our contact in India, because our friend Laurie had a better source. It turned our Deborah had also been speaking to Ranjan without knowing it. So our first hour at the airport, wanting to get the Maharishiâs services by early the next morning, was spend bartering Ranjan down to $115, his rock bottom rupee price. You find out very quickly in India the bartering rule of 4 to 1. That means, if a taxi driver says 20 rupees, the actual cost is 5. He expects you to bargain, but if you donât, he is very very happy. After being constantly overcharged one learns very quickly this formula or runs out of money. One rickshaw driver put it very well to me the last night I was here: âyou have a lot of money, and I have none. You should let me take youâ¦â Anyway, 5 of us crammed into a mini van with our luggage left on and left about 10:30 in the morning. Our driver spoke very little English, but was a very good driver, which was fortunate, because driving in India involves not only driving on the left side of the road, but constantly using the horn and bobbing between pedestrians, rickshaws, motorcycles with a mom, dad, baby and child on board, camels, horses, monkeys, trucks,
[FairfieldLife] Re: Validity of Mahrishi's apaurusheya bhasya in the light of linguistics
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would that be the Throne of the King of Pedophilia? I don't know. But perhaps that's just the kind of imaginary dark Court that would be perfect for you.
[FairfieldLife] MMY and Diabetes
With all the Deepak and Dr.G.M. threads rolling by, I've wanted to stop for a second and ask about MMY and his diabetes. Was this a life long illness of his, or did this develop sometime later in life, or as a result of the poisoning incident from 1991? Since his passing, I would like to see (but don't expect it to happen) a complete account of MMY the man. What is going to happen and is happening at this moment already is the account of MMY the Saint. And a highly sanitized account it will be. I, for one, do not think less of MMY for having a frail human body, or for that matter, a frail human nature. It does not detract one bit from the benefit I got from his TM technique, etc. However, I am very put off my the TMO's ass-covering and spin doctoring MMY's health issues all these years. It just shows how much fear they are dealing with. Can't seem to get their heads out of their first chakras! I've always loved my heroes with flaws. I'm sure Joseph Campbell would have something to say about this. It makes them more heroic in my eyes.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Metering Shakti
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: While the idea of venturing to Fairfield and actually meeting some of the fine people I've met on this list appeals to me, a lot, at the same time that is balanced by my distaste for...sorry to say it...going to America. The last few times I did, it was an unsettling experience. But rumor has it that women are lined up hoping that you will play doctor with them -- and hoping that you will discover the totality of Ved in their physiologies. Meanwhile, groups are forming on the cornors, as the women sing, Doctor, Doctor, Give me the news. We got a bad case of loving you.
[FairfieldLife] Re: From Michael Morgan : My trip to India (first hand account)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: from Michael Morgan Dear Friends Jai Guru Dev Jai Guru Dev Jai Guru Dev While this is still fresh in my mind, Iâd like to put down my experiences for both my meditating and non meditating friends of the last week. I donât recommend going and returning from India in one week, but this is what nature provided. First of all, thanks to all those who supported me in my journey here and back: Deborah Deldebbio for supporting my many and unreasonable requests, my friend Rich Sims such a good friend who helped me pack when I was on the verge of exhaustion (little did I know this was just the beginning), Doreen Liss for her loving support, Liz Skinner for keeping things together with property management when I was away, and for many many of you who also wanted to be on this trip. The beginning of this of course started with news of Maharishiâs passing on February 5th. Then all of us were invited to come to a celebration of his passing on February 10th. With 24 hours notice, a couple of thousand of us in the US saw if we could organize flights to Allahabad India for his funeral. Thatâs a flight to New Delhi then another flight 500 miles away to the state of Uttar Prahash in the North. I spend 48 demanding hours arranging flights, only to find at the last moment, before I was ready to pay on my credit card, that my flight was cancelled. Actually Air India had overbooked by 100 seats. I found out later they had resold the same seats for $1000 more, but didnât even know about this till later. At that point, Thursday night before leaving on Friday, I was about to give up. But my friend Carla Brown and her friend Laura found a ticket out to New York, and we found a way to get there. What followed was the beginning of an extraordinary journey. A 15 hour flight to Bombay (Mumbai) and then on to Delhi. This was the beginning of a 5 person team that Iâve been with constantly for the last 5 days. Myself, Carla Brown (my TM teaching buddy) Laura Tomaszewska, Allan Lorie Reminick (in charge of the Brahmanstan project in Kansas) We were to bond in extraordinary ways over the next few days. When we arrive, no flights to Allahabad or Veranasi, 80 miles away. Actually no seats on the train either. There are so many people coming from all over the world that every available mode of transportation is tied up. It is also the time of the Kumba Mela, a spiritual festival in the same area where millions of people are know to come. So our best option is to hire a car/van or driver and drive 14 hours or over 500 miles into the interior of India, which we did. But first a word about bartering. My assistant Deborah had arranged from the US for a driver, who wanted to charge each person $200 US for our trip, which was almost as much as a plane flight. I told Deborah we didnât need the help of Ranjan, our contact in India, because our friend Laurie had a better source. It turned our Deborah had also been speaking to Ranjan without knowing it. So our first hour at the airport, wanting to get the Maharishiâs services by early the next morning, was spend bartering Ranjan down to $115, his rock bottom rupee price. You find out very quickly in India the bartering rule of 4 to 1. That means, if a taxi driver says 20 rupees, the actual cost is 5. He expects you to bargain, but if you donât, he is very very happy. After being constantly overcharged one learns very quickly this formula or runs out of money. One rickshaw driver put it very well to me the last night I was here: âyou have a lot of money, and I have none. You should let me take youâ¦â Anyway, 5 of us crammed into a mini van with our luggage left on and left about 10:30 in the morning. Our driver spoke very little English, but was a very good driver, which was fortunate, because driving in India involves not only driving on the left side of the road, but constantly using the horn and bobbing between pedestrians, rickshaws, motorcycles with a mom, dad, baby and child on board, camels, horses, monkeys, trucks, buses and cars (notice cars are the last on the list. Just a couple of high points of the trip. First the rest stop. This is where we pull up, first for the driver to pay road taxes, and like a circus any number of vendors surround the car. The monkey who jumps on my window side, the snake charmer with the cobra, the guy on the other side of the car selling peacock feathers, and the other guy selling postcards and the other guy selling coke. Speaking of coke, one of the occasional wafts was the smell of marijuana that would accent the journey on the road, hotels, and other unexpected areas from time to time... We drive and drive and drive. India has a lot of people and there is incredible poverty, but the people are very devoted to god, in whatever way that shows up. We stop at one point for a rest
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Validity of Mahrishi's apaurusheya bhasya in the light of linguistics
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 9:37 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Validity of Mahrishi's apaurusheya bhasya in the light of linguistics --- In HYPERLINK mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.comFairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gyselsvishnu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of my teachers, Swami Premananda, a native Tamil speaker, claims that Tamil developed out of the experience of Amrita in the throat. THE Swami Premananda who Benjamin Creme claims to be the heir to the throne after Sai Baba ? Would that be the Throne of the King of Pedophilia? No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.7/1286 - Release Date: 2/18/2008 6:49 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nadir
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was part of the Cambridge center and knew John. It was powerful sitting next to him in the flying wall at the times I did that. I could feel the intense energy. I also knew Tony. I also knew Sam Gravina. Hence your handle here, right?
[FairfieldLife] The Hag and Bev are NOT opposites (Re: Tony Nadir)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Knob, You astound me with the regularity of your wicked snarking. You're a true genius of besmirchingness. Is there nothing so low that you will not say it? Are you as insane as you present? Or, are you merely the doppleganger of another poster here who uses your mask to utter such crud -- are you merely a foul mouthed dummy on the lap of some ventriloquist here? You're a Zen experience, yes, you are. Just when I think I'm immune to your darkness, and just when I think I've come to some separate peace with the fact that you are running around the world with that brain and almost certainly alienating people right and left with such corrosive ideation, BLAM you hit me in a blindspot again. Truly, I bow to that which can so consistently produce this relentlessly flowing stream of filth that exudes from you like a foul ichor. You un-had me at ick. Edg Great, thanks ! Much Love from Knobs. Uh; a little reminder from your sweet post: They're scumbags and elitists and twisted sociopaths... :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Westerners Sai Maa, at the Funeral
Excellent story! These first person accounts have added a lot lately. Ma also told me before she left, that when she first arrived in the hall, they were all talking about only letting the Indians view Maharishi's body, and not the Westerners. I'm guessing this is just the beginning of this Indian ethnocentric prejudice. We milked the outcastes for their money now send them away. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Western TM Devotees Sai Maa, at the funeral. FW: e-mail eye-witness at the funeral: paste After a few minutes of running down the street, chasing after the car, I was suddenly flagged down by a woman on my left, who had just gotten out of her car, to get my attention, she was waving both of her arms over her head in the air, she had on a cute little hat, and was dressed in white. At first I did not recognize her... I was straining to see who is this, then I burst out yelling!!! M A A, OH M A A, I can't believe you're here... To my shock and PURE DELIGHT... It was Laksmi Devi...or Chalanda Sai Ma...or Laksmi Devi Sai Maa...or now MATA JI as she likes to be called. Wow what a surprise. She had been invited personally to come to the first viewing of Maharishi's body. Only the Raja Ram and Bevan and John Hagelin, etc. were in there then.. Maa was all alone in her car, with only her driver, a sweet Indian man accompanying her. When she saw me running down the street she got out of the car to flag me down, how cute is that??? I sat there on the ground at her lap Ma caught us up on her life, and said she had moved to Australia, and really liked it there. She told us she had been invited to Maharishi's First Viewing, and that she was the fourth person to walk in front of his body and pay her respects, by putting flowers around him. She was very pleased about this, and felt very honored. She asked me the names of the dignitaries who were in the hall with her, and if I would write their names in her book. There were only a handful allowed to go in the hall privately, for that first viewing, and she was one of them. She wanted to contact all of them at a later date. So I wrote the names, Tony Nadir, now called RAJA RAM, Bevan Morris, John Hagelin, Bennie Feldman, Garish Varma, and a few others, I am forgetting now... She was happy that we knew who they were. Ma was in Allahabad for the Kumbh Mela, and she had a tent there. She invited us to come to her tent, and we got the directions from her driver, how to get there. There was a huge sea of people everywhere, and finding her would be like finding a needle in a haystack. But Ram drew up a map, and we said we'd come. Ma also told me before she left, that when she first arrived in the hall, they were all talking about only letting the Indians view Maharishi's body, and not the Westerners. She looked at me indignantly and said: I told them this was not right. Maharishi was a Guru to the West. They have been devoted to him all of these years, and they helped him create the whole world movement. They deserve to be here. She said they didn't like that I was saying this, but it was the truth. I had to say it... A woman after my own heart. I love Ma for her boldness... So I truly feel that anyone who had the Incredible Great Fortunate to be in that viewing hall, owes gratitude for the experience to Mataji (SAI MA). Ma gave each a handful of red rose petals and she was on her way. om http://www.humanityinunity.org/HIU/Home/index.cfm
[FairfieldLife] Re: True Evil
Sam, Are you merely noting that all is illusion, or do you really believe that the massive amount of murdering that is going on in this world is merely a set of data that needs your new take on evil being the hand of God doing somehthing 'good' but that is beyond human conprehension? Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Samuel Gravina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Posted by: Duveyoung Mon Feb 18, 2008 10:12 pm (PST) Oh, yeah, there's true evil in the world ... Edg No there isn't. It's all fake. Sam
[FairfieldLife] Pots of gold at the end of rainbows (Intelligent stuff)
Hagen, I'm an inventor. I developed over 200 ideas to various stages of prototyping, and even a few got onto the store shelves. Mostly toys, games, puzzles and a few electronic devices. I created half a dozen or so new information handling technologies which seem magical the first time you're exposed to the devices. Oh, I got the patents, the copyrights, the trade secrets in safety deposit boxes, but most of this work simply lays there nowwaiting a dusting off by another mind in some distant future. Why? Ask any inventor how hard it is to get others on board and in resonance with an idea. It is very hard work even when one has a nice crisp working prototype that knocks the socks off the audience. The idea-part is only about 5% of the successful product achievement. Money, vision, management, marketing, packaging, timing, warehousing, insurancegeeze! Each concern requires a personality that loves the milieu enough to become expert in it. It takes a village to raise an idea. It's extremely rare to find any inventor who knows about these realities. I would estimate that 98% of all inventors have only invented one or two things and really have no idea at all what they face trying to get to market. Go to any mercantile convention, Toy Fair, Consumer Electronic Show, whatever, and you'll find a thousand losers with loser products that have had from tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of bux invested in their project only to have 20,000 buyers walk by their booth and immediately see that the product is crap. Self delusion is rampant. This makes it very hard for any venture capitalist to wade through the bad to find the nuggets. Just so, Viktor Schauberger, Tesla and Mendel -- examples of true giants of thought -- they and thousands upon thousands of pretty good thinkers with great ideas have had to find it in themselves to wear a lot of different hats in order to get their babies all growd up. Most fail. Even Tesla who was totally funded and had really insanely great ideas hit the walls of ignorance and lack of imagination in the worldthat and corporate evil doers who are brigands of the darkest sort. As for the gossip that there's a 500 miles/gallon carburettor and a nylon stocking that never runs, etc., I believe it. Given that money is the bottom line, what wouldn't BigOil do to shelve that carburettor? Killing someone would be nothing to such a company -- a company that is willing to pollute all of Alaska for instance -- and then, stealing all the research papers (Tesla) etc. would just be cleaning up the crime scene. No problmo for a sociopathic corporation. For every Tesla there's HUNDREDS of goofyass obsessive types who will waste your time with the wackiest concepts. Google perpetual motion machines, or UFO technology being used by US government, or 9-11 Inside job, and behold the legions of true believers who can enthrall the lower half of the bell curve like it was a lynch mob outside a jailhouse holding a child's killer. I've been worked into many such a lather myself. BushCo has showed us that those in power can do any damned thing they want to do. Don't show up for congressional hearing, be in contempt, break any law, and, yeah, KILL MILLIONS FOR OIL...mostly moms and kids. So look at that brazen marauding of the masses -- if you do something that affects their bottom lines, these VICIOUS PSYCHOTIC ENTITIES will simply erase you from the surface of the Earth. So many ideas, so few minds with the time and resonance to invest in fleshing them out into actual practical manifestations. A man who died this year, Robert Bussard, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_W._Bussard developed a device that seemingly solves all the major theoretical puzzles for atomic fusion. http://youtube.com/watch?v=FhL5VO2NStU Atomic fusion The holy grail of clean energy. Watch the above video and be convinced by Bussard himself. Here's a guy who had the educational coattails, the interest of others, the ear of billionaires, and the desire of the US Navy for him to succeed, and yet this guy died without getting the final funding for his machine. I tell ya, it's a war out there, and many bodies line the roadsides on the way to success. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hagen J. Holtz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sometimes it is difficult to distinguish between a woo-woo and a person, who has no problems to go one step further. It seems too often as if the world was only distinguishable between the normal crazy ones (the main stream) and the real crazy guys (those, who are not able to stand the monotony of the main-stream anymore but do not find balancing alternatives and therefore tilt). I was always interested in those, who just fell somewhere in between. And only, I assure you, for practical reasons. It is the realm, where you really will find joy of surfing on the wave. But indeed, pegasus' flying behind the moon-theories had also never been of
[FairfieldLife] Re: Validity of Mahrishi's apaurusheya bhasya in the light of linguistics
I won't go into polemics regarding Premananda. A few points: he is in no way associated with Sai Baba. He seems to appreciate Ammachi much more than Sai Baba. He is in jail at the moment but it is all politics. Having followed the 'case' at close hand, he was not involved in any criminal act, but that is my opinion. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 9:37 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Validity of Mahrishi's apaurusheya bhasya in the light of linguistics --- In HYPERLINK mailto:FairfieldLife% 40yahoogroups.comFairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gyselsvishnu dirkgysels@ wrote: One of my teachers, Swami Premananda, a native Tamil speaker, claims that Tamil developed out of the experience of Amrita in the throat. THE Swami Premananda who Benjamin Creme claims to be the heir to the throne after Sai Baba ? Would that be the Throne of the King of Pedophilia? No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.7/1286 - Release Date: 2/18/2008 6:49 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: From Michael Morgan : My trip to India (first hand account)
I'm also a fan of the rule of thumb. Extra credit for anyone who knows where that phrase comes from! * Why, of course, we know that: It's the rule that makes it quite legal to beat your wife (for her own good, naturally) as long as the stick is no wider that your thumb. -- Kalliope #166526 From: curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue Feb 19, 2008 4:23 pm Subject: Re: From Michael Morgan : My trip to India (first hand account) curtisdeltab... Offline Send Email Now I must mention in this tradition women are not allowed at the cremation site. The idea is that for their own protection, it would be better not to be in the area to witness this event. I can tell you that being there as a man, it brings up the full range of feelings. However you might think of this aspect, for all of us I can appreciate the logic. The logic of chicks being too weak perhaps? Strong enough to give birth, but not strong enough to witness a cremation? It might bring up the full range of feelings, and you know how nutz chicks get when they get emotional! I'm also a fan of the rule of thumb. Extra credit for anyone who knows where that phrase comes from! ** Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp0030002598)
[FairfieldLife] Short interview in Newsweek with David Lynch
Claire Hoffman, Newsweek I gave him a call at his production office here in Los Angeles and see what he was thinking about the day after the death of his guru. Me: How are you David? How are you feeling? David: I'm doing OK, Claire, it is a big day, was a big day yesterday. Me: Do you feel sad? David: I felt very sad, but also, very happy. Very happy that I knew Maharishi, that I got his meditation and very happy for the world that Maharishi brought out unbelievable cosmic knowledge and was able to bring enlightenment to the people and peace on earth. Now it is up to the people he left behind to follow through and put the pieces in place, Claire, and it's going to be a beautiful world. Me: Are you one of the people? David: Everyone plays a part, I'll do what I can do. I'm cutting a documentary that I'm making right now of a fifteen country tour I did in November to establish invincible universities for peace, with Maharishi's consciousness based education. For me it's also just telling people what I know about Maharishi. Me: What does it mean to you that Maharishi is dead? David: Well, Maharishi dropped his body. It's like a man is in a car and the car is old and the man gets out of the car and rolls the car into the water into a lake. Do we feel sorry for the man? The car is gone but the man is there. No problems for Maharishi. People are sad because that voice of wisdom is gone. Me: How do you tell the world what his significance was? In simple terms. David: Maharishi, you could say, Maharishi is a man of peace. A man of love. A man of wisdom. And if you listen to him, if you take up those teachings, your life will get better and better and better. Me: How's your life? David: Great.Yeah. Sure. Me: You remember the first time you met Maharishi? David: I met Maharishi the first time face to face in 1975 in Los Angeles, California. It was at that center of Spiritual Regeneration Movement in LA, where I had started meditating. And Maharishi came to that center and it was his last visit, and I was there that night, along with three or four hundred people. Me: And what was your first impression? David: My friend had gotten a bunch of flowers to present to Maharishi and I handed him my flower and for the briefest moment our eyes met and when Maharishi looks into your eyes, and he looks into yours .well it's an incredible, incredible moment. Me: Well, I have to ask, and I know everyone must, but isn't there a black cloud of negativity in your films? David: Everyone does ask. I went to to 26 countries, and in each one they say `how come if you're so happy you make these films?' The answer is films, books, music, all these things reflect the world in which we live. And up to now the world has been a dark and troubling place. Stories have great contrast, through the centuries, they have positive and negative swimming together. But I always end up saying the artist doesn't have to suffer to show suffering. Have it on the screen but have the people come out of the theater into a world of peace, of a beautiful world. They don't have to suffer in their lives Me: Are you suffering? David: NO! (lots of giggling .) Me: Did you do a puja [a Hindu ceremony] today? David: No, no. These things are internal things. Like I said there's nothing to worry about -- everything is good. Everyone is sorry that Maharishi's voice is no longer in the world, but there's more ways than that to communicate. Everything is very good. I just feel that there's a connection, and everything is very good. Me: Well thank you for talking to me. David: Good deal Claire. Write something beautiful for Maharishi. Me: Um, OK. Ill try.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Validity of Mahrishi's apaurusheya bhasya in the light of linguistics
Yes, indeed the Benjamin Creme Premananda but Premananda is in no way associated with Creme or endorse his views. Once we were discussing Maitryea. Without overhearing us, Premananda passed by and said: Maitreya is in your heart. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gyselsvishnu dirkgysels@ wrote: One of my teachers, Swami Premananda, a native Tamil speaker, claims that Tamil developed out of the experience of Amrita in the throat. THE Swami Premananda who Benjamin Creme claims to be the heir to the throne after Sai Baba ? There are several articles and interviews with him here: http://www.shareintl.org
[FairfieldLife] Re: Validity of Mahrishi's apaurusheya bhasya in the light of linguistics
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gyselsvishnu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I won't go into polemics regarding Premananda. A few points: he is in no way associated with Sai Baba. Yet another who appears to know The Truth. I wish I was like you, how simple everything would be :-) Swami Premananda - Avatar behind bars by Adam Parsons Adam Parsons is the first foreign journalist to visit Swami Premananda since his imprisonment in India in 1994. We include two segements from this vivid article in which he describes conditions at the prison and the impact the Avatar is having on those around him. For the complete article see Share International July/August 2006. In a remote village on the edge of southern India, far off the tourist maps, a cheery holy man continues his fixed routine. Between six in the morning and six in the evening, Swami Premananda gives a daily spiritual discourse to an audience of hundreds, writes personal replies giving advice and support to an unending stream of letters, holds open interviews every day for the poor people around him, while constantly overseeing the management of a fruit plantation, a flower nursery, an orphanage, a school, and an ashram more than 250km away. It may sound like the life of a particularly conscientious sage, except that Swami Premananda has languished behind bars for more than 11 years, and the people who seek his daily counsel are fellow prisoners in Cuddalore jail . The jail where Premananda has lived since 1998 is a five-hour train ride from the ashram in a dusty coastal town called Cuddalore that was ravaged by the tsunami of late 2004. No tourist would have a reason to come here, especially not at the muddy end of the rainy season, but I had been warned not to let slip the purpose of my visit considering the damning opinion most Indians hold against Premananda. It added to a slight sense of being on a furtive assignment the Swami had never met with a foreign reporter since his arrest, so if anyone asked, I was told, then I should pretend to be on my way to the seaside French colony at Pondicherry. A small gathering of us assembled at a nearby village in the early morning before herding into a couple of 1950s-style Ambassador taxis. The prison stood two km away in a silent and gloomy woodland, enclosed by a barren forecourt and a towering wall guarded by sentries with old-fashioned rifles. It became more surreal as our entourage gathered around Premananda, who was quietly sitting on a stool in the corner of a bare and windowless cell. Many people who first meet Swamiji, as he is normally referred to, say how differently he comes across from the usual notions of the sombre holy man, but with a full round beard, ever-smiling white teeth, and wearing a wrap-around cloth called a lungi, he almost seems like the stereotypical wise and jubilant guru. He speaks to foreigners in a charismatic, self-taught English that requires some translation from those more experienced in his enjoyable style of jumbling up clauses and missing out verbs, and it can be difficult not to laugh along with his animated explanations. The PR officer who translated explained that Premananda is going blind from untreated eye cataracts and diabetes, as well as suffering from high blood pressure, ear problems and chronic asthma. In the monsoon summers, I was told, rains could flood each prison cell to knee height. There are barely any facilities no roof, no fan, no light, no bed. I have to sleep on the floor! Premananda explained, squinting and chuckling through the bars. He described these conditions with such jollity and mirth that it was easy to overlook how terrible it must be. In a previous discourse given in the prison, he explained that at night it was so hot you can hardly breathe, forcing him to use a hand fan made from coconut palm which my hand goes on fanning automatically even when I am asleep. Asked how things were for the other prisoners, the Swami began to describe the injustices rife inside Indian jails. Of the 3,000 prisoners in Cuddalore prison a huge proportion were innocent, he said, as it was common practice for a rich person to commit a murder or serious crime and then bribe the police so that an `ordinary' man is blamed. But how can we help these people? The only way is by appointing a lawyer, he said. The government appoints each prisoner a free lawyer, but he does nothing. Now I have freed roughly 200 people by paying for a lawyer and overseeing the case. If somebody gives pocket money to me, that money goes directly to their lawyer! I don't want money for myself. Other prisoners who live alongside Premananda spoke of the quiet good works that he continuously undertakes inside the prison. Mr Parvallal, who spends hours in Premananda's cell each day handwriting replies to letters that the Swami endlessly dictates owing to his loss of sight, gave information that was not even
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nadir
--- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Samuel Gravina Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 9:14 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tony Nadir I also knew John Hagelen back then. He too was a very regular guy. I initiated John Hagelin. I should share some stories. And after Rick was gone from Connecticut John used to come to MY advanced lectures ;-) No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.7/1286 - Release Date: 2/18/2008 6:49 PM Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
[FairfieldLife] Re: Attention nablusoss
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity ruthsimplicity@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: Do you think that the TMOs, or any specific TMO, has any ethical obligations to donees? None whatsoever. Apart from the obvious moral question mark over this the TMO has, like every other organisation, a legal requirement to either use money raised for the stated purpose it was raised for or offer a refund. That's in Europe anyway. If yes, what do you think those obligations are? Do you think that the TMOs have a duty to disclose to contributors how their money will be spent? No, why should they ? When money is given, to anyone, anywhere its given and gone. I'll bet they love you, just what any org could want a willing donor who never asks questions. Do you think that the TMOs have a duty to tell the truth if in fact they do disclose how money is spent? Absolutely not. BTW; I question your idea about truth. I question the value of your teaching if you think a spiritual movement has no obligation to the truth. I'm glad to hear that you know the full truth and nothing but the truth Mr. - I don't. Anyway: If I give you a gift that you want to give to someone else, sell or throw away, should that bother me ?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Attention nablusoss
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo richardhughes103@ wrote: Do you think that the TMOs have a duty to tell the truth if in fact they do disclose how money is spent? Absolutely not. BTW; I question your idea about truth. I question the value of your teaching if you think a spiritual movement has no obligation to the truth. I'm glad to hear that you know the full truth and nothing but the truth Mr. - I don't. I think you deliberately misunderstand people to avoid answering awkward questions. So let me put it a bit more unambigously; Do you think a spiritual movement has an obligation to be honest in it's dealings with others? I don't know. I say yes it does, Ofcourse you do because in your boundless arrogance you think you have the key to The Truth. I have news for you Mister: You don't. You do not know what truth is, nor the ability to formulate a relevant question.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Veda in Scandinavia
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From Blaine Watson We were in Seelisberg for Guru Purnimah in the summer of 1982. Some time after the full moon celebration Maharishi was meeting with us in the large lecture hall and began to discuss the Veda. One of the teachers from Finland stood up and asked Maharishi if he would like to listen to some of the traditional chanting of the laplanders in Finland. It is called yoicking. The most typical syllables in yoicking (Finnish: joiku) are IMO something like eh-loi-leh-loi-lah, or stuff. This is not a typical /joiku/, it's somewhat modernized, with African style drumming, seems to me: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8h9Y5R0j_I
[FairfieldLife] Re: Validity of Mahrishi's apaurusheya bhasya in the light of linguistics
- I don´t pretend to know the truth but accusations of rape and murder happening in a small ashram commumity where the guru lived a completely open and public life,allways in the lime light very few eye witnesses buy this. And the association with Sai Baba only exists in mr. Creme´s mind. As a Srilankan Tamil refugee, Premananda was an easy prey for rationalists, Christian missions, a gullible press and the like. -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gyselsvishnu dirkgysels@ wrote: I won't go into polemics regarding Premananda. A few points: he is in no way associated with Sai Baba. Yet another who appears to know The Truth. I wish I was like you, how simple everything would be :-) Swami Premananda - Avatar behind bars by Adam Parsons Adam Parsons is the first foreign journalist to visit Swami Premananda since his imprisonment in India in 1994. We include two segements from this vivid article in which he describes conditions at the prison and the impact the Avatar is having on those around him. For the complete article see Share International July/August 2006. In a remote village on the edge of southern India, far off the tourist maps, a cheery holy man continues his fixed routine. Between six in the morning and six in the evening, Swami Premananda gives a daily spiritual discourse to an audience of hundreds, writes personal replies giving advice and support to an unending stream of letters, holds open interviews every day for the poor people around him, while constantly overseeing the management of a fruit plantation, a flower nursery, an orphanage, a school, and an ashram more than 250km away. It may sound like the life of a particularly conscientious sage, except that Swami Premananda has languished behind bars for more than 11 years, and the people who seek his daily counsel are fellow prisoners in Cuddalore jail . The jail where Premananda has lived since 1998 is a five-hour train ride from the ashram in a dusty coastal town called Cuddalore that was ravaged by the tsunami of late 2004. No tourist would have a reason to come here, especially not at the muddy end of the rainy season, but I had been warned not to let slip the purpose of my visit considering the damning opinion most Indians hold against Premananda. It added to a slight sense of being on a furtive assignment the Swami had never met with a foreign reporter since his arrest, so if anyone asked, I was told, then I should pretend to be on my way to the seaside French colony at Pondicherry. A small gathering of us assembled at a nearby village in the early morning before herding into a couple of 1950s-style Ambassador taxis. The prison stood two km away in a silent and gloomy woodland, enclosed by a barren forecourt and a towering wall guarded by sentries with old-fashioned rifles. It became more surreal as our entourage gathered around Premananda, who was quietly sitting on a stool in the corner of a bare and windowless cell. Many people who first meet Swamiji, as he is normally referred to, say how differently he comes across from the usual notions of the sombre holy man, but with a full round beard, ever-smiling white teeth, and wearing a wrap-around cloth called a lungi, he almost seems like the stereotypical wise and jubilant guru. He speaks to foreigners in a charismatic, self-taught English that requires some translation from those more experienced in his enjoyable style of jumbling up clauses and missing out verbs, and it can be difficult not to laugh along with his animated explanations. The PR officer who translated explained that Premananda is going blind from untreated eye cataracts and diabetes, as well as suffering from high blood pressure, ear problems and chronic asthma. In the monsoon summers, I was told, rains could flood each prison cell to knee height. There are barely any facilities no roof, no fan, no light, no bed. I have to sleep on the floor! Premananda explained, squinting and chuckling through the bars. He described these conditions with such jollity and mirth that it was easy to overlook how terrible it must be. In a previous discourse given in the prison, he explained that at night it was so hot you can hardly breathe, forcing him to use a hand fan made from coconut palm which my hand goes on fanning automatically even when I am asleep. Asked how things were for the other prisoners, the Swami began to describe the injustices rife inside Indian jails. Of the 3,000 prisoners in Cuddalore prison a huge proportion were innocent, he said, as it was common practice for a rich person to commit a murder or serious crime and then bribe the police so that an `ordinary' man is blamed. But how can we help these people? The only way is by appointing a lawyer, he said. The
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Barak Obama Maitreya?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Curtis, Good find! Good find! Man, I'm just so afraid of the masses investing in Obama with such a spiritual hope. Do you agree that he's got so much power now that something's wrong with this picture for Obama to have gotten this far? I'm being paranoid here, but listen: this guy has the masses in his hands and if he tells them to do something, they will -- by the millions. Question: why is he still alive, and why is BigMoney trying so hard to smite Hillary instead of Obama? Here's my darkest fear: Obama's been already bought off -- hard to believe -- or, they've got something on Obama that they haven't trotted out yet for their ultimate swiftboating of him. I'm hoping that BigMoney has missed what is happening and think that mere racism can be counted on to vote against Obama. But, if they don't kill him, then they're after bigger game sez moi. What's the bigger game? To thoroughly defrock Obama and show the masses that Obama has feet of clay and that their hopes and dreams and inspirations were falsely based and to, you know, never dream this big again. Now that would be an assassination -- a true stab at the American ideals we all believe in but seldom realize. Edg For the CIA to take out this fellow will not be very difficult I'm sure. A true Saint however turned out to be an impossible task.
[FairfieldLife] Documentary on youtube
http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=qPGafwv2CvU
[FairfieldLife] Re: From Michael Morgan : My trip to India (first hand account)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael Morgan wrote: Now I must mention in this tradition women are not allowed at the cremation site. The idea is that for their own protection, it would be better not to be in the area to witness this event. I can tell you that being there as a man, it brings up the full range of feelings. However you might think of this aspect, for all of us I can appreciate the logic. The logic of chicks being too weak perhaps? Strong enough to give birth, but not strong enough to witness a cremation? It might bring up the full range of feelings, and you know how nutz chicks get when they get emotional! Keep your heart with all vigilance, for from it flow the springs of life. (Proverbs 4:23)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Validity of Mahrishi's apaurusheya bhasya in the light of linguistics
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gyselsvishnu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - I don´t pretend to know the truth but accusations of rape and murder happening in a small ashram commumity where the guru lived a completely open and public life,allways in the lime light very few eye witnesses buy this. And the association with Sai Baba only exists in mr. Creme´s mind. Is that so... Did you happen to ask the Swami about this ? As a Srilankan Tamil refugee, Premananda was an easy prey for rationalists, Christian missions, a gullible press and the like.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Attention nablusoss
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo richardhughes103@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo richardhughes103@ wrote: Do you think that the TMOs have a duty to tell the truth if in fact they do disclose how money is spent? Absolutely not. BTW; I question your idea about truth. I question the value of your teaching if you think a spiritual movement has no obligation to the truth. I'm glad to hear that you know the full truth and nothing but the truth Mr. - I don't. I think you deliberately misunderstand people to avoid answering awkward questions. So let me put it a bit more unambigously; Do you think a spiritual movement has an obligation to be honest in it's dealings with others? I don't know. I say yes it does, Ofcourse you do because in your boundless arrogance you think you have the key to The Truth. I have news for you Mister: You don't. You do not know what truth is, nor the ability to formulate a relevant question. Nablus, you can't handle the truth.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Attention nablusoss
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo richardhughes103@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo richardhughes103@ wrote: Do you think that the TMOs have a duty to tell the truth if in fact they do disclose how money is spent? Absolutely not. BTW; I question your idea about truth. I question the value of your teaching if you think a spiritual movement has no obligation to the truth. I'm glad to hear that you know the full truth and nothing but the truth Mr. - I don't. I think you deliberately misunderstand people to avoid answering awkward questions. So let me put it a bit more unambigously; Do you think a spiritual movement has an obligation to be honest in it's dealings with others? I don't know. I say yes it does, Ofcourse you do because in your boundless arrogance you think you have the key to The Truth. I have news for you Mister: You don't. You do not know what truth is, nor the ability to formulate a relevant question. Nablus, you can't handle the truth.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Attention nablusoss
Thank you for taking my questions seriously and answering them. Ruthie Oops! I am almost out of posts for the week. I guess that means I better get back to work!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Barak Obama Maitreya?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: Curtis, Good find! Good find! Man, I'm just so afraid of the masses investing in Obama with such a spiritual hope. Do you agree that he's got so much power now that something's wrong with this picture for Obama to have gotten this far? I'm being paranoid here, but listen: this guy has the masses in his hands and if he tells them to do something, they will -- by the millions. Question: why is he still alive, and why is BigMoney trying so hard to smite Hillary instead of Obama? Here's my darkest fear: Obama's been already bought off -- hard to believe -- or, they've got something on Obama that they haven't trotted out yet for their ultimate swiftboating of him. I'm hoping that BigMoney has missed what is happening and think that mere racism can be counted on to vote against Obama. But, if they don't kill him, then they're after bigger game sez moi. What's the bigger game? To thoroughly defrock Obama and show the masses that Obama has feet of clay and that their hopes and dreams and inspirations were falsely based and to, you know, never dream this big again. Now that would be an assassination -- a true stab at the American ideals we all believe in but seldom realize. Edg For the CIA to take out this fellow will not be very difficult I'm sure. A true Saint however turned out to be an impossible task.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Attention nablusoss
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you for taking my questions seriously and answering them. Ruthie Oops! I am almost out of posts for the week. I guess that means I better get back to work! Don't worry. Rick has extended the unlimited posting exception for the entire period of Dharma Yukam, which lasts according to Vedic tradition for 45 days after the funeral pyre...or until the dead rise (whichever comes first).
[FairfieldLife] Mostly lurking with a question
I have been lurking since the passing, from time to time as such allows. I used to live in FF for many years and involved with the TMO since 1971. I had a great intitation experience and became a teacher/governor 1974-1976. Sidhi course. (no siddhis) Travelled in various capacities..World peace project, Phillipines, Rhode Island, Wash. D.C.. I know of some posting here. I mentioned before that I have become a NTB. We were told that TM was the fastest way to liberation. Where did this declaration come from? Who believes that the man who started this movement was actually a Maharishi? What did he do that would make him such? Much is written here that really amazes me and truly indicates the effects of the TM movement which we were told is from the Sankara Tradition. Where did Sankara suggest anything that we were told by this apparently realized being? Not a satguru. He himself said I am not a personal guru. How could he be a satguru then? Guru Tattva is not this model. From my view, nothing we were told has any basis of scriptural foundation. Little is mentioned in this forum of those shastras. Most of the opinions given are just musings of the egoistic mind and have no basis in what is Truth. Do people seek siddhis for power? If so, this is a quality of Asuras, demons. They don't bring enlightenment according to Patanjali. Ravana was well versed and in total command of Veda. He was a great devotee of Shiva and gained boons from Him. Yet Ravana was a demon. Wanting only more and more. Especially of what he could not have. It was his downfall. Maharishi Kapila who was Vishnu incarnate, and the one who gave us Sankhya Knowledge, when asked by His mother Devahuti about gaining liberation from this samsara, said: No other way by which yogis may attain the Brahma is more easy and auspicious that the way of devotion to the Exalted Lord, the Soul in all that is. Only by that steadfastness of mind which is gained by concentrating it on Me through intense and sustained dvotion can men in this world achieve Moksha.Srimad Bhagavatam Chapter 25. In Bhagavad Gita, Krishna says the same thing...Only through devotion can one gain liberation. Adi Sankara, whose name is invoked as the TMO tradition of Holy Masters, says Bhaja Govindam Singing the names of the Lord (namasankirtana) is the fastest way and the easiest road. Devotion to Lord as Guru in Guru Ashtakam Many other works of His indicate devotion. In verse 12 of Sri Guru Gita, Lord Shiva continues to tell Parvati Devi about false gurus... If one doesn't know the qualilty of Guru, all the ritualistic practices, prayers, penances are useless In the absence of knowledge of the quaility of Guru all other knowledges lead but to ignorance, so they are called the agents of illusion. Shiva says that those who are fond of them are petty minded. When was any of this taught in the TMO? Kali yuga isn't the best climate for gaining liberation through meditation. Too much noise. Krita yuga...Meditation Treta yuga...Yagnas Dvapara yuga..Bhakti Kali yuga...Namsankirtana In the little I have read in this group, little is spoken of prayer. Little is heard of praising the Lord..Whatever name you wish to give. Much is said about what all of this is. Isn't most knowledge posted here referencing what was learned through TMO? The effects of TMO manifest as much confusion, little Truth. One thing those who spew the negative towards other can count on... Your Karmic debt is one of bad tastes. Moving to Fairfield was the best of my life to that time. Leaving Fairfield was so freeing of the illusions we had been fed. I am Grateful to have cleared the bowels of that waste. I pray that those sincere seekers find their way. There is a Light. Harih Om Tat Sat
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY and Diabetes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ultrarishi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With all the Deepak and Dr.G.M. threads rolling by, I've wanted to stop for a second and ask about MMY and his diabetes. Was this a life long illness of his, or did this develop sometime later in life, or as a result of the poisoning incident from 1991? ultrarishi, there was no poisoning incident. Just as there wasn't any CIA incident. This is how we do it in civilized countries: if you suspect that someone has poisoned you, you go to the police and you lodge a formal complaint. We don't live in the dark ages where suspicions about little green men living in toadstools being responsible for the fates and the cause of bad things that happen to us. Same with suspicions about illegal spying or wiretapping or interfering with your precious investment portfolio...or whatever it was that Maharishi et al suspected the CIA of doing. Because if something illegal has been perpetrated against you or the organisation you represent we have a little something called the rule of law which you can count upon to, at the very least, respond to your call for justice. What we do NOT do in rational, normal societies is build up innuendo and rumour as then accept it as fact, such as you did above. That's cult stuff. Do you belong to a cult,ultrarishi? Since his passing, I would like to see (but don't expect it to happen) a complete account of MMY the man. What is going to happen and is happening at this moment already is the account of MMY the Saint. And a highly sanitized account it will be. I, for one, do not think less of MMY for having a frail human body, or for that matter, a frail human nature. It does not detract one bit from the benefit I got from his TM technique, etc. However, I am very put off my the TMO's ass-covering and spin doctoring MMY's health issues all these years. It just shows how much fear they are dealing with. Can't seem to get their heads out of their first chakras! I've always loved my heroes with flaws. I'm sure Joseph Campbell would have something to say about this. It makes them more heroic in my eyes.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mostly lurking with a question
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, netineti3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been lurking since the passing, from time to time as such allows. I used to live in FF for many years and involved with the TMO since 1971. I had a great intitation experience and became a teacher/governor 1974-1976. Sidhi course. (no siddhis) Travelled in various capacities..World peace project, Phillipines, Rhode Island, Wash. D.C.. I know of some posting here. I mentioned before that I have become a NTB. We were told that TM was the fastest way to liberation. Where did this declaration come from? Who believes that the man who started this movement was actually a Maharishi? What did he do that would make him such? Much is written here that really amazes me and truly indicates the effects of the TM movement which we were told is from the Sankara Tradition. Where did Sankara suggest anything that we were told by this apparently realized being? Not a satguru. He himself said I am not a personal guru. How could he be a satguru then? Guru Tattva is not this model. From my view, nothing we were told has any basis of scriptural foundation. Little is mentioned in this forum of those shastras. Most of the opinions given are just musings of the egoistic mind and have no basis in what is Truth. Do people seek siddhis for power? If so, this is a quality of Asuras, demons. They don't bring enlightenment according to Patanjali. Ravana was well versed and in total command of Veda. He was a great devotee of Shiva and gained boons from Him. Yet Ravana was a demon. Wanting only more and more. Especially of what he could not have. It was his downfall. Maharishi Kapila who was Vishnu incarnate, and the one who gave us Sankhya Knowledge, when asked by His mother Devahuti about gaining liberation from this samsara, said: No other way by which yogis may attain the Brahma is more easy and auspicious that the way of devotion to the Exalted Lord, the Soul in all that is. Only by that steadfastness of mind which is gained by concentrating it on Me through intense and sustained dvotion can men in this world achieve Moksha.Srimad Bhagavatam Chapter 25. In Bhagavad Gita, Krishna says the same thing...Only through devotion can one gain liberation. Adi Sankara, whose name is invoked as the TMO tradition of Holy Masters, says Bhaja Govindam Singing the names of the Lord (namasankirtana) is the fastest way and the easiest road. Devotion to Lord as Guru in Guru Ashtakam Many other works of His indicate devotion. In verse 12 of Sri Guru Gita, Lord Shiva continues to tell Parvati Devi about false gurus... If one doesn't know the qualilty of Guru, all the ritualistic practices, prayers, penances are useless In the absence of knowledge of the quaility of Guru all other knowledges lead but to ignorance, so they are called the agents of illusion. Shiva says that those who are fond of them are petty minded. When was any of this taught in the TMO? Kali yuga isn't the best climate for gaining liberation through meditation. Too much noise. Krita yuga...Meditation Treta yuga...Yagnas Dvapara yuga..Bhakti Kali yuga...Namsankirtana In the little I have read in this group, little is spoken of prayer. Little is heard of praising the Lord..Whatever name you wish to give. Much is said about what all of this is. Isn't most knowledge posted here referencing what was learned through TMO? The effects of TMO manifest as much confusion, little Truth. One thing those who spew the negative towards other can count on... Your Karmic debt is one of bad tastes. Moving to Fairfield was the best of my life to that time. Leaving Fairfield was so freeing of the illusions we had been fed. I am Grateful to have cleared the bowels of that waste. I pray that those sincere seekers find their way. There is a Light. Harih Om Tat Sat Yeah, but my Guru can beat up YOUR Guru...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mostly lurking with a question
If the TM mantras are the names of gods, then repeating the mantra is a form of bhakti, and as one gets more subtle, then the worshipping song is ever more powerful. What else is transcending if not gaining ever greater clarity about the song of songs -- OM? OM is the hymn of the universe that's constantly sung -- a worshipping prayer from the Relative to the Absolute. I wish that Maharishi had published his commentary on chapters 7 - 18. The verses are so clearly about worship that he would have been forced to admit that TM is worship, but there would go the mask of science the TMO marketed TM with, and that's my theory of why it was never published. Since there is only one SELF, all prayers go to the only Sentience capable of listening to them. I love the safety factor in this! Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, netineti3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been lurking since the passing, from time to time as such allows. I used to live in FF for many years and involved with the TMO since 1971. I had a great intitation experience and became a teacher/governor 1974-1976. Sidhi course. (no siddhis) Travelled in various capacities..World peace project, Phillipines, Rhode Island, Wash. D.C.. I know of some posting here. I mentioned before that I have become a NTB. We were told that TM was the fastest way to liberation. Where did this declaration come from? Who believes that the man who started this movement was actually a Maharishi? What did he do that would make him such? Much is written here that really amazes me and truly indicates the effects of the TM movement which we were told is from the Sankara Tradition. Where did Sankara suggest anything that we were told by this apparently realized being? Not a satguru. He himself said I am not a personal guru. How could he be a satguru then? Guru Tattva is not this model. From my view, nothing we were told has any basis of scriptural foundation. Little is mentioned in this forum of those shastras. Most of the opinions given are just musings of the egoistic mind and have no basis in what is Truth. Do people seek siddhis for power? If so, this is a quality of Asuras, demons. They don't bring enlightenment according to Patanjali. Ravana was well versed and in total command of Veda. He was a great devotee of Shiva and gained boons from Him. Yet Ravana was a demon. Wanting only more and more. Especially of what he could not have. It was his downfall. Maharishi Kapila who was Vishnu incarnate, and the one who gave us Sankhya Knowledge, when asked by His mother Devahuti about gaining liberation from this samsara, said: No other way by which yogis may attain the Brahma is more easy and auspicious that the way of devotion to the Exalted Lord, the Soul in all that is. Only by that steadfastness of mind which is gained by concentrating it on Me through intense and sustained dvotion can men in this world achieve Moksha.Srimad Bhagavatam Chapter 25. In Bhagavad Gita, Krishna says the same thing...Only through devotion can one gain liberation. Adi Sankara, whose name is invoked as the TMO tradition of Holy Masters, says Bhaja Govindam Singing the names of the Lord (namasankirtana) is the fastest way and the easiest road. Devotion to Lord as Guru in Guru Ashtakam Many other works of His indicate devotion. In verse 12 of Sri Guru Gita, Lord Shiva continues to tell Parvati Devi about false gurus... If one doesn't know the qualilty of Guru, all the ritualistic practices, prayers, penances are useless In the absence of knowledge of the quaility of Guru all other knowledges lead but to ignorance, so they are called the agents of illusion. Shiva says that those who are fond of them are petty minded. When was any of this taught in the TMO? Kali yuga isn't the best climate for gaining liberation through meditation. Too much noise. Krita yuga...Meditation Treta yuga...Yagnas Dvapara yuga..Bhakti Kali yuga...Namsankirtana In the little I have read in this group, little is spoken of prayer. Little is heard of praising the Lord..Whatever name you wish to give. Much is said about what all of this is. Isn't most knowledge posted here referencing what was learned through TMO? The effects of TMO manifest as much confusion, little Truth. One thing those who spew the negative towards other can count on... Your Karmic debt is one of bad tastes. Moving to Fairfield was the best of my life to that time. Leaving Fairfield was so freeing of the illusions we had been fed. I am Grateful to have cleared the bowels of that waste. I pray that those sincere seekers find their way. There is a Light. Harih Om Tat Sat
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mostly lurking with a question
No other way by which yogis may attain the Brahma is more easy and auspicious that the way of devotion to the Exalted Lord, the Soul in all that is. Only by that steadfastness of mind which is gained by concentrating it on Me through intense and sustained dvotion can men in this world achieve Moksha.Srimad Bhagavatam Chapter 25. In Bhagavad Gita, Krishna says the same thing...Only through devotion can one gain liberation. Adi Sankara, whose name is invoked as the TMO tradition of Holy Masters, says Bhaja Govindam Singing the names of the Lord (namasankirtana) is the fastest way and the easiest road. Devotion to Lord as Guru in Guru Ashtakam Many other works of His indicate devotion. When was any of this taught in the TMO? I began TM in 1968. Became an initator in Estes Park 1971. If it's any consolation, I agree with almost all of your post - most particularly the above. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, netineti3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been lurking since the passing, from time to time as such allows. I used to live in FF for many years and involved with the TMO since 1971. I had a great intitation experience and became a teacher/governor 1974-1976. Sidhi course. (no siddhis) Travelled in various capacities..World peace project, Phillipines, Rhode Island, Wash. D.C.. I know of some posting here. I mentioned before that I have become a NTB. We were told that TM was the fastest way to liberation. Where did this declaration come from? Who believes that the man who started this movement was actually a Maharishi? What did he do that would make him such? Much is written here that really amazes me and truly indicates the effects of the TM movement which we were told is from the Sankara Tradition. Where did Sankara suggest anything that we were told by this apparently realized being? Not a satguru. He himself said I am not a personal guru. How could he be a satguru then? Guru Tattva is not this model. From my view, nothing we were told has any basis of scriptural foundation. Little is mentioned in this forum of those shastras. Most of the opinions given are just musings of the egoistic mind and have no basis in what is Truth. Do people seek siddhis for power? If so, this is a quality of Asuras, demons. They don't bring enlightenment according to Patanjali. Ravana was well versed and in total command of Veda. He was a great devotee of Shiva and gained boons from Him. Yet Ravana was a demon. Wanting only more and more. Especially of what he could not have. It was his downfall. Maharishi Kapila who was Vishnu incarnate, and the one who gave us Sankhya Knowledge, when asked by His mother Devahuti about gaining liberation from this samsara, said: No other way by which yogis may attain the Brahma is more easy and auspicious that the way of devotion to the Exalted Lord, the Soul in all that is. Only by that steadfastness of mind which is gained by concentrating it on Me through intense and sustained dvotion can men in this world achieve Moksha.Srimad Bhagavatam Chapter 25. In Bhagavad Gita, Krishna says the same thing...Only through devotion can one gain liberation. Adi Sankara, whose name is invoked as the TMO tradition of Holy Masters, says Bhaja Govindam Singing the names of the Lord (namasankirtana) is the fastest way and the easiest road. Devotion to Lord as Guru in Guru Ashtakam Many other works of His indicate devotion. In verse 12 of Sri Guru Gita, Lord Shiva continues to tell Parvati Devi about false gurus... If one doesn't know the qualilty of Guru, all the ritualistic practices, prayers, penances are useless In the absence of knowledge of the quaility of Guru all other knowledges lead but to ignorance, so they are called the agents of illusion. Shiva says that those who are fond of them are petty minded. Kali yuga isn't the best climate for gaining liberation through meditation. Too much noise. Krita yuga...Meditation Treta yuga...Yagnas Dvapara yuga..Bhakti Kali yuga...Namsankirtana In the little I have read in this group, little is spoken of prayer. Little is heard of praising the Lord..Whatever name you wish to give. Much is said about what all of this is. Isn't most knowledge posted here referencing what was learned through TMO? The effects of TMO manifest as much confusion, little Truth. One thing those who spew the negative towards other can count on... Your Karmic debt is one of bad tastes. Moving to Fairfield was the best of my life to that time. Leaving Fairfield was so freeing of the illusions we had been fed. I am Grateful to have cleared the bowels of that waste. I pray that those sincere seekers find their way. There is a Light. Harih Om Tat Sat
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY and Diabetes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just as there wasn't any CIA incident. There where many, even bombattacs, arson and armed hitmen. All foiled by Mother Nature. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mostly lurking with a question
One thing those who spew the negative towards other can count on... Your Karmic debt is one of bad tastes. Uh oh. Not this teaching again. How come everyone knows all about my karmic debt but my tax guy when I try to deduct for it? Leaving Fairfield was so freeing of the illusions we had been fed. I am Grateful to have cleared the bowels of that waste. So leaving Fairfield was like taking a shit for you, but we are being negative and doomed to the bad tastes? OK. I pray that those sincere seekers find their way. There is a Light. Let me take a wild guess...you know what it is? Am I right? Did I correctly guess that you now have the wonderful liberating knowledge that was promised, but never delivered, in the movement? And does it include prayer perhaps? In the little I have read in this group, little is spoken of prayer. Little is heard of praising the Lord..Whatever name you wish to give. Can I pick which one cuz I've always been a big fan of Poseidon's work, did you see his kickass Tsunami? All praise the great sea god! No wait a minute, who is the gut who brings all the presents...is it too late to switch? Cool, I'm going with Santa now, all glorious imaginary ass kissing to Santa Claus! When was any of this taught in the TMO? After you left the room, it was a huge joke for us. We took it a little too far with you missing out on enlightenment and all so sorry for that. Kali yuga isn't the best climate for gaining liberation through meditation. Too much noise. See this is where being a checker really helps, you see noise is no barrier to meditation. When you hear a noise,just treat it like any other thought. Unless the noise sounds like circus music cuz then you had better haul ass before the ice cream truck goes down the street. But after you get your ice cream, just come back to the mantra. Do people seek siddhis for power? I wouldn't mind being able to change my cable channels with my mind when I can't find the remote... If so, this is a quality of Asuras, demons. Oh my, then no. I'll just find the remote, it's gotta be around here somewhere. I pray that those sincere seekers find their way. There is a Light. As they say: nothing fails like prayer, just ask anyone who ever went down in a plane. Harih Om Tat Sat Hey don't try those Kung Fu phrases in here we are all trained in mixed martial arts including Shotokan one strike one kill Karate! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, netineti3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been lurking since the passing, from time to time as such allows. I used to live in FF for many years and involved with the TMO since 1971. I had a great intitation experience and became a teacher/governor 1974-1976. Sidhi course. (no siddhis) Travelled in various capacities..World peace project, Phillipines, Rhode Island, Wash. D.C.. I know of some posting here. I mentioned before that I have become a NTB. We were told that TM was the fastest way to liberation. Where did this declaration come from? Who believes that the man who started this movement was actually a Maharishi? What did he do that would make him such? Much is written here that really amazes me and truly indicates the effects of the TM movement which we were told is from the Sankara Tradition. Where did Sankara suggest anything that we were told by this apparently realized being? Not a satguru. He himself said I am not a personal guru. How could he be a satguru then? Guru Tattva is not this model. From my view, nothing we were told has any basis of scriptural foundation. Little is mentioned in this forum of those shastras. Most of the opinions given are just musings of the egoistic mind and have no basis in what is Truth. Do people seek siddhis for power? If so, this is a quality of Asuras, demons. They don't bring enlightenment according to Patanjali. Ravana was well versed and in total command of Veda. He was a great devotee of Shiva and gained boons from Him. Yet Ravana was a demon. Wanting only more and more. Especially of what he could not have. It was his downfall. Maharishi Kapila who was Vishnu incarnate, and the one who gave us Sankhya Knowledge, when asked by His mother Devahuti about gaining liberation from this samsara, said: No other way by which yogis may attain the Brahma is more easy and auspicious that the way of devotion to the Exalted Lord, the Soul in all that is. Only by that steadfastness of mind which is gained by concentrating it on Me through intense and sustained dvotion can men in this world achieve Moksha.Srimad Bhagavatam Chapter 25. In Bhagavad Gita, Krishna says the same thing...Only through devotion can one gain liberation. Adi Sankara, whose name is invoked as the TMO tradition of Holy Masters, says Bhaja Govindam Singing the names of the Lord (namasankirtana) is the fastest way and the easiest road. Devotion to Lord as Guru in Guru Ashtakam Many other works
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY and Diabetes
Rule of law? Rule of law? Don't make me laugh. I was screwed by a business partner. I went to the Iowa State Attorney; he said, It would cost the state $50,000 to audit the books and get the proof that this guy has embezzled, so unless you can pretty much give us a smoking gun of some merit, we're not going to go on a fishing expedition. It's a sensible attitude, but sheesh, this guy walked away with tons of corporate funds spent on himself. The law only does what it HAS to do, and good luck making a case clearly enough to get a burr under the law's saddle. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ultrarishi no_reply@ wrote: With all the Deepak and Dr.G.M. threads rolling by, I've wanted to stop for a second and ask about MMY and his diabetes. Was this a life long illness of his, or did this develop sometime later in life, or as a result of the poisoning incident from 1991? ultrarishi, there was no poisoning incident. Just as there wasn't any CIA incident. This is how we do it in civilized countries: if you suspect that someone has poisoned you, you go to the police and you lodge a formal complaint. We don't live in the dark ages where suspicions about little green men living in toadstools being responsible for the fates and the cause of bad things that happen to us. Same with suspicions about illegal spying or wiretapping or interfering with your precious investment portfolio...or whatever it was that Maharishi et al suspected the CIA of doing. Because if something illegal has been perpetrated against you or the organisation you represent we have a little something called the rule of law which you can count upon to, at the very least, respond to your call for justice. What we do NOT do in rational, normal societies is build up innuendo and rumour as then accept it as fact, such as you did above. That's cult stuff. Do you belong to a cult,ultrarishi? Since his passing, I would like to see (but don't expect it to happen) a complete account of MMY the man. What is going to happen and is happening at this moment already is the account of MMY the Saint. And a highly sanitized account it will be. I, for one, do not think less of MMY for having a frail human body, or for that matter, a frail human nature. It does not detract one bit from the benefit I got from his TM technique, etc. However, I am very put off my the TMO's ass-covering and spin doctoring MMY's health issues all these years. It just shows how much fear they are dealing with. Can't seem to get their heads out of their first chakras! I've always loved my heroes with flaws. I'm sure Joseph Campbell would have something to say about this. It makes them more heroic in my eyes.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mostly lurking with a question
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, netineti3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been lurking since the passing, from time to time as such allows. I used to live in FF for many years and involved with the TMO since 1971. I had a great intitation experience and became a teacher/governor 1974-1976. Sidhi course. (no siddhis) Travelled in various capacities..World peace project, Phillipines, Rhode Island, Wash. D.C.. I know of some posting here. I mentioned before that I have become a NTB. We were told that TM was the fastest way to liberation. Where did this declaration come from? Who believes that the man who started this movement was actually a Maharishi? What did he do that would make him such? Much is written here that really amazes me and truly indicates the effects of the TM movement which we were told is from the Sankara Tradition. Where did Sankara suggest anything that we were told by this apparently realized being? Not a satguru. He himself said I am not a personal guru. How could he be a satguru then? Guru Tattva is not this model. From my view, nothing we were told has any basis of scriptural foundation. Little is mentioned in this forum of those shastras. Most of the opinions given are just musings of the egoistic mind and have no basis in what is Truth. Do people seek siddhis for power? If so, this is a quality of Asuras, demons. They don't bring enlightenment according to Patanjali. Ravana was well versed and in total command of Veda. He was a great devotee of Shiva and gained boons from Him. Yet Ravana was a demon. Wanting only more and more. Especially of what he could not have. It was his downfall. Maharishi Kapila who was Vishnu incarnate, and the one who gave us Sankhya Knowledge, when asked by His mother Devahuti about gaining liberation from this samsara, said: No other way by which yogis may attain the Brahma is more easy and auspicious that the way of devotion to the Exalted Lord, the Soul in all that is. Only by that steadfastness of mind which is gained by concentrating it on Me through intense and sustained dvotion can men in this world achieve Moksha.Srimad Bhagavatam Chapter 25. In Bhagavad Gita, Krishna says the same thing...Only through devotion can one gain liberation. Adi Sankara, whose name is invoked as the TMO tradition of Holy Masters, says Bhaja Govindam Singing the names of the Lord (namasankirtana) is the fastest way and the easiest road. Devotion to Lord as Guru in Guru Ashtakam Many other works of His indicate devotion. In verse 12 of Sri Guru Gita, Lord Shiva continues to tell Parvati Devi about false gurus... If one doesn't know the qualilty of Guru, all the ritualistic practices, prayers, penances are useless In the absence of knowledge of the quaility of Guru all other knowledges lead but to ignorance, so they are called the agents of illusion. Shiva says that those who are fond of them are petty minded. When was any of this taught in the TMO? Kali yuga isn't the best climate for gaining liberation through meditation. Too much noise. Krita yuga...Meditation Treta yuga...Yagnas Dvapara yuga..Bhakti Kali yuga...Namsankirtana In the little I have read in this group, little is spoken of prayer. Little is heard of praising the Lord..Whatever name you wish to give. Much is said about what all of this is. Isn't most knowledge posted here referencing what was learned through TMO? The effects of TMO manifest as much confusion, little Truth. One thing those who spew the negative towards other can count on... Your Karmic debt is one of bad tastes. Moving to Fairfield was the best of my life to that time. Leaving Fairfield was so freeing of the illusions we had been fed. I am Grateful to have cleared the bowels of that waste. I pray that those sincere seekers find their way. There is a Light. Harih Om Tat Sat Looks to me like you simply traded one brand of ideational bondage for another.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Validity of Mahrishi's apaurusheya bhasya in the light of linguistics
Zoran wrote: You are suggesting that there is a Brahman on one side which can be known through transcendental knowledge and on the other side is everything else like ego, mind, senses... etc. According to Shankara, we can only know Brahman through transcendental knowledge; everything else experienced through the senses is an appearance only. What kind of Brahman is that which doesn't include everything and can not be the object of gross perception? This is the Adwaita view of Shankara: Brahman alone is real; all objects of the senses are not real, yet not unreal. Seems you fall in trap of dualism... According to the Upanishadic view, Brahman, as seen through the senses, is real, not an illusion. Brahman is the Transcendental Person who can be seen and experienced with the senses. This is the dualistic view of Ramanuja, Madhva, and Vallabha.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Validity of Mahrishi's apaurusheya bhasya in the light of linguistics
Peter wrote: No, I'm not suggesting that. What I suggest is a cup of hot chai for this go nowhere purely in vain conversation! In vain because you don't understand the basic tenets of Indian philosophy? Maybe you should just stick to subjects you know something about, such as repressed memory syndrome. Zoran wrote: You are suggesting that there is a Brahman on one side which can be known through transcendental knowledge and on the other side is everything else like ego, mind, senses... etc. What kind of Brahman is that which doesn't include everything and can not be the object of gross perception? Seems you fall in trap of dualism... Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY and Diabetes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ultrarishi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ultrarishi no_reply@ wrote: With all the Deepak and Dr.G.M. threads rolling by, I've wanted to stop for a second and ask about MMY and his diabetes. Was this a life long illness of his, or did this develop sometime later in life, or as a result of the poisoning incident from 1991? ultrarishi, there was no poisoning incident. Just as there wasn't any CIA incident. This is how we do it in civilized countries: if you suspect that someone has poisoned you, you go to the police and you lodge a formal complaint. We don't live in the dark ages where suspicions about little green men living in toadstools being responsible for the fates and the cause of bad things that happen to us. Same with suspicions about illegal spying or wiretapping or interfering with your precious investment portfolio...or whatever it was that Maharishi et al suspected the CIA of doing. Because if something illegal has been perpetrated against you or the organisation you represent we have a little something called the rule of law which you can count upon to, at the very least, respond to your call for justice. What we do NOT do in rational, normal societies is build up innuendo and rumour as then accept it as fact, such as you did above. That's cult stuff. Do you belong to a cult,ultrarishi? Acutally, when I was composing my question/rant I meant to put the poisoning incident in quotes, as you did in my reply, to show a little skepticism and tongue-in-cheek. Alas, the great god of caffeine failed me here and my post went out without quote marks. Anyway, it deflects from my intent of my post which was simply to find out about MMY's diabetes and its timeline. As far as the CIA stuff, I hope the hell they did infiltrate the organization. I mean, isn't that what we Americans are paying those bozos for with our tax dollars. And, while I'm at it, how about the FBI getting out there, too. To answer you question about whether I'm a member of a cult, that would be no, unless, of course, you count the fans of Jennifer Connelly and Salma Hayek, for which I am intensely guilty. ...which leads to two very important qualifying questions: 1) Are you a fan of Jennifer Connelly's pre or post baby fat period? Around Requiem for a Dream she became quite skinny and less voluptuous. 2) Are you a fan of Salma Hayek's pre or post boob job?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ned Wynn's Book, was: Three predictions
matrix wrote: --and I've never seen the other side of the Moon. Based on your sense of sight, and your knowledge of physics and astronomy, you might *infer* that there is an 'other side to the Moon'. But without you actually seeing it with your own eyes, you could not say with 100% accuracy that there is another side. For example, you might have defective vision, or have been duped by those who came before, or you might be in error, mistaking a mote in your eye for the actual moon. In fact, your inference AND your senses might be in error, and the moon might actually be an illusion or in your dreams. It's still there! However, there is overwhelming evidence that based on observation, reason and logic, that there must be another side to the Moon. However, your only evidence that the Marshy ever was in bed with a female student is nil. The only evidence you've cited seems to be a few rumors that you heard third-hand. So, I'm asking you: do you have any evidence to present that could prove that the Marshy ever had sexual relations with any female student? Ned didn't present any in his book; Paul Mason didn't present any in his Marshy biography; Mia didn't present any in her memoirs; Nancy didn't say anything about it in her book; and in over six years of posting inflammatory messages to Usenet, Tom Anderson, Marshy's secretary, didn't once ever say anything about having seen the Marshy having sex with a female student. So, you could be in error about the Moon AND the Marshy. Come to think of it, you haven't presented any evidence that you know anything about the Moon, Marshy, TM, or the TMO. The last time I was in Fairfield at the TM Center I didn't see anyone with the name 'matrixmotor' on the list of those who are in good standing with the TMO. What's up with that? But, it's interesting. In over 300 pages covering TTCs in India, Spain, and Italy over the course of nearly five years, with Ned supposedly carry the skin around, being the door boy, and managing the TTCs, not once did Ned mention anything about seeing the Marshy being in bed with any female students.
[FairfieldLife] Deepak Chopra: The Audacity of Enlightenment - Politics on The Huffington Post
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Ned Wynn's Book, was: Three predictions
But, it's interesting. In over 300 pages covering TTCs in India, Spain, and Italy over the course of nearly five years, with Ned supposedly carry the skin around, being the door boy, and managing the TTCs, not once did Ned mention anything about seeing the Marshy being in bed with any female students. Geezer wrote: Softball Tex. I'll go dig up up the details if I must, but he was asked to keep all of this out of his book by Vernon Katz. He did and later regretted it. Maybe so, but Ned sure wasn't averse to relating many of his own sexual exploits at TTC, so why would he defer to Vernon Katz and not list the Marshy's?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Validity of Mahrishi's apaurusheya bhasya in the light of linguistics
Peter wrote: Brahman is known to Brahman. It has not been established that there is a category, Brahman - that's just a theory found described in the Indian scriptures. There is no scientific foundation for supposing that there is a 'Brahman' that actually exists somewhere. Brahman, as a category, is just a metaphysical postulate. Consciousness knows consciousness. Maybe so, but is there a blind, scientific study that proves that there is a physiological corralary to a state of 'Brahman consciousness'? I think not. Who said anything about senses? Well, you'd have to be a sentient being with senses in order to even put forth a postulation such as 'Brahman' exists.
[FairfieldLife] Posting Limits, was: Attention nablusoss
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[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY and Diabetes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rule of law? Rule of law? Don't make me laugh. I was screwed by a business partner. I went to the Iowa State Attorney; he said, It would cost the state $50,000 to audit the books and get the proof that this guy has embezzled, so unless you can pretty much give us a smoking gun of some merit, we're not going to go on a fishing expedition. It's a sensible attitude, but sheesh, this guy walked away with tons of corporate funds spent on himself. The law only does what it HAS to do, and good luck making a case clearly enough to get a burr under the law's saddle. i.e., you didn't have proof. Just like the Movement. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ultrarishi no_reply@ wrote: With all the Deepak and Dr.G.M. threads rolling by, I've wanted to stop for a second and ask about MMY and his diabetes. Was this a life long illness of his, or did this develop sometime later in life, or as a result of the poisoning incident from 1991? ultrarishi, there was no poisoning incident. Just as there wasn't any CIA incident. This is how we do it in civilized countries: if you suspect that someone has poisoned you, you go to the police and you lodge a formal complaint. We don't live in the dark ages where suspicions about little green men living in toadstools being responsible for the fates and the cause of bad things that happen to us. Same with suspicions about illegal spying or wiretapping or interfering with your precious investment portfolio...or whatever it was that Maharishi et al suspected the CIA of doing. Because if something illegal has been perpetrated against you or the organisation you represent we have a little something called the rule of law which you can count upon to, at the very least, respond to your call for justice. What we do NOT do in rational, normal societies is build up innuendo and rumour as then accept it as fact, such as you did above. That's cult stuff. Do you belong to a cult,ultrarishi? Since his passing, I would like to see (but don't expect it to happen) a complete account of MMY the man. What is going to happen and is happening at this moment already is the account of MMY the Saint. And a highly sanitized account it will be. I, for one, do not think less of MMY for having a frail human body, or for that matter, a frail human nature. It does not detract one bit from the benefit I got from his TM technique, etc. However, I am very put off my the TMO's ass-covering and spin doctoring MMY's health issues all these years. It just shows how much fear they are dealing with. Can't seem to get their heads out of their first chakras! I've always loved my heroes with flaws. I'm sure Joseph Campbell would have something to say about this. It makes them more heroic in my eyes.
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY and Diabetes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ultrarishi no_reply@ wrote: With all the Deepak and Dr.G.M. threads rolling by, I've wanted to stop for a second and ask about MMY and his diabetes. Was this a life long illness of his, or did this develop sometime later in life, or as a result of the poisoning incident from 1991? ultrarishi, there was no poisoning incident. Just as there wasn't any CIA incident. This is how we do it in civilized countries: if you suspect that someone has poisoned you, you go to the police and you lodge a formal complaint. We don't live in the dark ages where suspicions about little green men living in toadstools being responsible for the fates and the cause of bad things that happen to us. Same with suspicions about illegal spying or wiretapping or interfering with your precious investment portfolio...or whatever it was that Maharishi et al suspected the CIA of doing. Because if something illegal has been perpetrated against you or the organisation you represent we have a little something called the rule of law which you can count upon to, at the very least, respond to your call for justice. What we do NOT do in rational, normal societies is build up innuendo and rumour as then accept it as fact, such as you did above. That's cult stuff. Do you belong to a cult,ultrarishi? Acutally, when I was composing my question/rant I meant to put the poisoning incident in quotes, as you did in my reply, to show a little skepticism and tongue-in-cheek. Alas, the great god of caffeine failed me here and my post went out without quote marks. Anyway, it deflects from my intent of my post which was simply to find out about MMY's diabetes and its timeline. As far as the CIA stuff, I hope the hell they did infiltrate the organization. I mean, isn't that what we Americans are paying those bozos for with our tax dollars. And, while I'm at it, how about the FBI getting out there, too. To answer you question about whether I'm a member of a cult, that would be no, unless, of course, you count the fans of Jennifer Connelly and Salma Hayek, for which I am intensely guilty.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mostly lurking with a question
OMG, not another used-to-be TMer who gave it up because he / she couldn't handle a few obstacles. f those shastras. Most of the opinions given are just musings of the egoistic mind and have no basis in what is Truth. Do people seek siddhis for power? If so, this is a quality of Asuras, demons. They don't bring enlightenment according to Patanjali. Ravana was well versed and in total command of Veda. He was a great devotee of Shiva and gained boons from Him. Yet Ravana was a demon. Wanting only more and more. Especially of what he could not have. It was his downfall. Maharishi Kapila who was Vishnu incarnate, and the one who gave us Sankhya Knowledge, when asked by His mother Devahuti about gaining liberation from this samsara, said: No other way by which yogis may attain the Brahma is more easy and auspicious that the way of devotion to the Exalted Lord, the Soul in all that is. Only by that steadfastness of mind which is gained by concentrating it on Me through intense and sustained dvotion can men in this world achieve Moksha.Srimad Bhagavatam Chapter 25. In Bhagavad Gita, Krishna says the same thing...Only through devotion can one gain liberation. Adi Sankara, whose name is invoked as the TMO tradition of Holy Masters, says Bhaja Govindam Singing the names of the Lord (namasankirtana) is the fastest way and the easiest road. Devotion to Lord as Guru in Guru Ashtakam Many other works of His indicate devotion. In verse 12 of Sri Guru Gita, Lord Shiva continues to tell Parvati Devi about false gurus... If one doesn't know the qualilty of Guru, all the ritualistic practices, prayers, penances are useless In the absence of knowledge of the quaility of Guru all other knowledges lead but to ignorance, so they are called the agents of illusion. Shiva says that those who are fond of them are petty minded. When was any of this taught in the TMO? Kali yuga isn't the best climate for gaining liberation through meditation. Too much noise. Krita yuga...Meditation Treta yuga...Yagnas Dvapara yuga..Bhakti Kali yuga...Namsankirtana In the little I have read in this group, little is spoken of prayer. Little is heard of praising the Lord..Whatever name you wish to give. Much is said about what all of this is. Isn't most knowledge posted here referencing what was learned through TMO? The effects of TMO manifest as much confusion, little Truth. One thing those who spew the negative towards other can count on... Your Karmic debt is one of bad tastes. Moving to Fairfield was the best of my life to that time. Leaving Fairfield was so freeing of the illusions we had been fed. I am Grateful to have cleared the bowels of that waste. I pray that those sincere seekers find their way. There is a Light. Harih Om Tat Sat
[FairfieldLife] Guru Dev ...they have no concern for what is wicked and what is sacred
The way of the group of those who believe in nirguNa [without qualities alone] spread more wickedness because these people do not accept the manifest form of Bhagavan [God] and suppose that the niraakaara [formless] cannot see or hear. So they do their mind's desires; they have no concern for what is wicked and what is sacred. = 'For the welfare of saadhu and for the destruction of the wicked I am manifest and for the estsablishment of dharma I am manifest.' ~Bhagavad Gita 4:8 By the word saadhu don't understand it to be the ones who have red-brown tilaka marking or maalaa of beads around the neck. The meaning of the word saadhu is 'good', the person who has a good disposition that man exists as a saadhu, that man accepts the code of conduct of the Veda shaastra, whose faith is in tending his own religion. Really for the welfare of them Bhagavan becomes the avataara (incarnation). ~~ Swami Brahmananda Saraswati - Guru Dev [Shri Shankaracharya UpadeshAmrita kaNa 88 of 108] http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/UA_Hindi.htm#kaNa_88
[FairfieldLife] Re: Did Maharishi move in with Jesus?
There are no enlightened beings in heaven. Those who have reached the enlightened stage are Siddhas. They dwell in Siddhaloka; they are the immortal, the perfected. That's what enlightened means: perfected. You forgot to write or so I've read here Tex. No, I didn't forget - that's why I posted the reference to the texts to back up my statements. (Unless you're saying you know this from personal experience.) No, I was referring to Indian mytholgy, not personal experience. The point I was trying to make is that 'Siddhas' don't go to the heaven of the Brahmaloka to dwell with the demi-Gods, who live in heaven until their store of good karma runs out, at which time they must reincarnate; the Siddhas are enlightened, they do not reincarnate, they are free and immortal, according to Indian mythology. But before you begin to explore Indian mythology, you might be wanting to read up on Indian history during the Gupta Age. 'The Alchemical Body' Siddha Traditions in Medieval India by David Gordon White University Of Chicago Press, 1998 Titles of interest: 'A New History of India' by Stanley Wolpert Oxford University Press, 2003 'Cultural History of India' by A. L. Basham Oxford University Press, 1999
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY and Diabetes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ultrarishi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: To answer you question about whether I'm a member of a cult, that would be no, unless, of course, you count the fans of Jennifer Connelly and Salma Hayek, for which I am intensely guilty. ...which leads to two very important qualifying questions: 1) Are you a fan of Jennifer Connelly's pre or post baby fat period? Around Requiem for a Dream she became quite skinny and less voluptuous. 2) Are you a fan of Salma Hayek's pre or post boob job? I'm a fan irrespective of their alterations/modifications. However, bab y fat Jennifer was a sight to behold. Where's my copy of ROCKETEER when I need it. Salma IS as Salma does. Her face is like a Yantra into which I fall in and get lost. And the rest of her ain't bad either. Excuse while I go do puja... Rocketeer is an underappreciated gem. And Jennifer is a classic example of full-figured beauty. Most people also forget that she was a child actor and had a substantial part in Sergio Leone's Once upon a time in America although one of her scenes would, today, no doubt be considered as child pornography and not even filmed, let alone shown.
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY and Diabetes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To answer you question about whether I'm a member of a cult, that would be no, unless, of course, you count the fans of Jennifer Connelly and Salma Hayek, for which I am intensely guilty. ...which leads to two very important qualifying questions: 1) Are you a fan of Jennifer Connelly's pre or post baby fat period? Around Requiem for a Dream she became quite skinny and less voluptuous. 2) Are you a fan of Salma Hayek's pre or post boob job? I'm a fan irrespective of their alterations/modifications. However, bab y fat Jennifer was a sight to behold. Where's my copy of ROCKETEER when I need it. Salma IS as Salma does. Her face is like a Yantra into which I fall in and get lost. And the rest of her ain't bad either. Excuse while I go do puja...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is Barak Obama Maitreya?
nablusoss1008 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Curtis, Good find! Good find! Man, I'm just so afraid of the masses investing in Obama with such a spiritual hope. Do you agree that he's got so much power now that something's wrong with this picture for Obama to have gotten this far? I'm being paranoid here, but listen: this guy has the masses in his hands and if he tells them to do something, they will -- by the millions. Question: why is he still alive, and why is BigMoney trying so hard to smite Hillary instead of Obama? Here's my darkest fear: Obama's been already bought off -- hard to believe -- or, they've got something on Obama that they haven't trotted out yet for their ultimate swiftboating of him. I'm hoping that BigMoney has missed what is happening and think that mere racism can be counted on to vote against Obama. But, if they don't kill him, then they're after bigger game sez moi. What's the bigger game? To thoroughly defrock Obama and show the masses that Obama has feet of clay and that their hopes and dreams and inspirations were falsely based and to, you know, never dream this big again. Now that would be an assassination -- a true stab at the American ideals we all believe in but seldom realize. Edg For the CIA to take out this fellow will not be very difficult I'm sure. A true Saint however turned out to be an impossible task. If you thought you saw riots after Rodney King then just imagine what they would be like in such an event. I'll be on the corner pointing the way to the mansions of the rich so they don't waste their time burning down their own neighborhoods. :) Of course maybe that's why they want all this martial law crap in place.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Validity of Mahrishi's apaurusheya bhasya in the light of linguistics
According to Shankara, we can only know Brahman through transcendental knowledge; everything else experienced through the senses is an appearance only. If you are standing for Advaita it can't be Brahman and everyting else, that's mayavada platform... Mayavadins are not pur monists. Brahman alone is real; all objects of the senses are not real, yet not unreal. That is Ramunuja qualified monism. According to the Upanishadic view, Brahman, as seen through the senses, is real, not an illusion. Brahman is the Transcendental Person who can be seen and experienced with the senses. Transcedental Person is Brahman... Lord Krishna gave Divine sight to Arjuna in order that he is able see him. This is the dualistic view of Ramanuja, Madhva, and Vallabha. They are representing diferent schools of advaita. Only Madhva stands for pure dualism, Vallabaha - pure monism, Ramunuja - qualified monism.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Does anyone here actually think that any of the Indian clan even do TM?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: If you were a member of the Shrivastava or Varma family and living in India and were raking in all that dough over the past 30 years, you would, of course, view the Westerners in the TMO as the biggest suckers aournd. Fools. Rubes. Easy touches. Touched in the head. Therefore, would you yourself actually meditate? I mean, wouldn't you just natually associate doing TM with having a weak mind? In all likelihood, you would run from TM like the plague...and if you were a parent, you would probably take your children aside at around age 8 or 9 and explain to them that it's all right for the outside world and especially any wide-eyed white people you may come into contact with to think you meditate, but you really shouldn't actually do it. Pretend to do it but it's not really for us. I mean, what other course of action could members of Maharishi's family actually come to if they had any common sense? The whole relationship between MMY's family and the TMOs is a big mystery as far as I can tell. You have stories like Rick's pundit story. Stories about suitcases of cash. The basic mystery of how much money there is and where is it. I want to read MMY's will. I want to know how much the king and the rajas know about the family. I want the TMO to be up front about finances even if it is inconsistent with TMO culture and king culture and obviously, MMY family culture. I want to know where the money went. I want to know who pays the family members and how much. I want to know if the family meditates. I want to know if the family manipulated MMY and in what ways. I want to know if the rajas, ministers and king Tony meditate and what is their program. I want to know if any woman ever wanted to take the raja course. Damn I wish I could have applied without jeopardizing my career. (I wouldn't have actually spent the money, but I would have liked to see how far I could have taken it.) I want to know how many pundits there are and what it costs to maintain the pundit force. I want a list of every TMO, whether it is a profit or non-profit, whether it is a US or foreign entity, who are the owners, who are in control, and who gets paid and how much. I want a copy of their balance sheet and want to know every asset they own or ever owned. I want an audit. What about gaining the Grace of the Almighty? That may be easier to achieve. Why not ask for it?
