[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL and the Contradictions of Relativism
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard M compost1uk@ wrote: Let's call the Turq docrine about opinion TD. TD seems to be something like Truth is relative to your point of view and there is no Truth (capital 'T'). Not at all. You are making the same reading error that the rest here are. I stated my position very clearly: I don't *think* that there is any such thing as absolute truth. But I am willing to be convinced otherwise. All you have to do is produce one. Just one. Would that mean that an observeable fact might not always be true? For example- we live for varying numbers of years and, then we don't. Has anyone seen it differently? Thanks for at least *trying* to produce an example of an absolute truth, Nelson. So far all the others who claim that such a thing exists have been afraid to even try. As it turns out, my challenge is an old and famous one, one that actually had an answer. It was proposed (at different times, obviously) by the Biblical King Solomon and by Abraham Lincoln, who challenged someone to produce a saying that would be true at all times and in all situations. The pro- posed answer to THAT challenge was, This too shall pass, which is essentially the same as your answer. Congratulations... you now officially have the wisdom of Solomon. I just found it interesting that those who were unwilling to even *try* to produce an example of an absolute truth were so willing to claim that me thinking that one was not likely was in itself a claim of absolute truth. Especially because I went out of my way to say that I was open to someone coming up with an example of one, and knew ahead of time the answer to the koan I was proposing. Perhaps the absolute truth we are search- ing for is, Those whose only joy in life is to play intellectual 'gotcha' games with one of their perceived 'enemies' will do anything to convince themselves that they've 'gotcha-d' him, even lying to themselves and others. Given FFL as an example, that seems to be even more absolute than This too shall pass. :-) [ For the record, however, would Solomon's answer actually *be* absolute, given the Vedic concept (which I do not agree with) of creations coming and going, and there being a time in between creations where there is no relative, only Absolute? If one believes that myth to be true, then even This too (in this case, the Absolute) shall pass is not true. ]
[FairfieldLife] Remember this chart next time Lou channels the Pleiadeans :-)
This funny chart shows (given the time the signals take to get there) what various Space Brothers are actually *watching* when they monitor Earth TV broadcasts. For example, in the next-to-last ring of the chart (70 light years away), the aliens are seeing early television images of World War II. Now think of Lou's claims that the Pleiadeans are monitoring the Earth and talking to him real-time. The Pleiades are 440 light years away. For them, the latest News Flash from planet Earth is that Queen Elizabeth I just exonerated Mary Queen of Scots from charges of treason. :-) http://abstrusegoose.com/163 http://abstrusegoose.com/163 [electromagnetic_leak]
[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL and the Contradictions of Relativism
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: . . . As it turns out, my challenge is an old and famous one, one that actually had an answer. It was proposed (at different times, obviously) by the Biblical King Solomon and by Abraham Lincoln, who challenged someone to produce a saying that would be true at all times and in all situations. The pro- posed answer to THAT challenge was, This too shall pass, which is essentially the same as your answer. Congratulations... you now officially have the wisdom of Solomon. . . . [ For the record, however, would Solomon's answer actually *be* absolute, given the Vedic concept (which I do not agree with) of creations coming and going, and there being a time in between creations where there is no relative, only Absolute? If one believes that myth to be true, then even This too (in this case, the Absolute) shall pass is not true. ] Just for fun, and to show how easy it would have been to play this game instead of play- ing 'gotcha' yet again, here is *my* candidate for an absolute truth. It depends on rejecting the childish anthropo- morphism of the Vedic creation/dissolution/ newcreation myth and believing instead in the Buddhist view, which is that there has never been a time when creation was not in exis- tence and never will be a time when it is not in existence -- creation (both relative and absolute) is, has always been, and will always be. If that were true, then a possible candidate for an absolute truth might be: While creation is ever-changing, 'ever' is eternal. I'll even bet on this axiom being an absolute truth. Any amount you want. All you have to do to collect is wait for creation to dissolve and become unmanifest and then email me. I'll send your money right away. :-) :-) :-)
[FairfieldLife] The most (grammatically) defective suutra of YS?
YS II 47: prayatna-shaithilyaananta-samaapattibhyaam Taimni's translation: By relaxation of effort and meditation on the 'Endless' (posture is mastered). That seems to be the only suutra in YS that consists of a mere adverb (indicated by the [grammatical] dual [number] ending of instrumental/dative/ablative [e.g. 'by', 'for', 'from'], -bhyaam). It's rather obvious that Patañjali has for some reason wanted to divide the previous suutra (sthira-sukham aasanam [prayatna-shaithilyaananta-samaapattibhyaam]) in two. Because we are dealing with the saadhana-paada, it just occurred to me: perhaps PJ wanted to emphasize that 'relaxation of effort' (prayatna-shaithilya: effort-relaxation) applies to all or most of the eight an.gas of yoga, not just aasana! :0
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's master brings a boy back to life
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge no_reply@ wrote: Just out of curiosity, do you think that the siddhis are possible? I've never seen anyone ever do anything but hop based on a sutra for levitation. I think it's possible, however many a supposed Sidha in India have been debunked. Hmmm... perhaps the main purpose of yogic hopping is to try to force kuNDalinii enter into suSumna-nadii? :D No. It goes there naturally, automatically. That's why Maharishi refused to use those words you just mention, because historically these names evokes huge misunderstandings. Well, one may ejaculate (become adho-retas?) spontaneuosly but e.g. spanking the monkey is for most people a sure method to make that happen. Perhaps backwards spanking of the monkey ensures that one becomes uurdhva-retas... :0
[FairfieldLife] Re: Former Marxists are laughing at Obamanomics
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcg...@... wrote: No Laughing Matter By: Dr. Mark W. Hendrickson FrontPageMagazine.com | Thursday, July 02, 2009 snip For years, fiscal discipline has been eroding in Washington, but President Obama has increased government spending with reckless abandon as the leviathan government absorbs more and more of the private sector. It appears that the good Dr. Hendrickson has been on Mars for the past year, and since his return nobody has bothered to tell him there's been a financial crisis and a massive recession. In his NYTimes column today, Nobel Prize-winning economist and Princeton professor Paul Krugman urges a third stimulus bill and notes that fear of spending and debt in the current economic situation are absurd: It has been a rude shock to see so many economists ...lending their names to grossly exaggerated claims about the evils of short-run budget deficits. (Right now the risks associated with additional debt are much less than the risks associated with failing to give the economy adequate support.) Professor Krugman concludes: Obama administration economists understand the stakes. Indeed, just a few weeks ago, Christina Romer, the chairwoman of the Council of Economic Advisers, published an article on the lessons of 1937 the year that F.D.R. gave in to the deficit and inflation hawks, with disastrous consequences both for the economy and for his political agenda. What I don't know is whether the administration has faced up to the inadequacy of what it has done so far. So here's my message to the president: You need to get both your economic team and your political people working on additional stimulus, now. Because if you don't, you'll soon be facing your own personal 1937. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/03/opinion/03krugman.html?ref=opinion Adding to the irony of a Russian warning the United States about the dangers of Marxism is the fact that [Mishin's] article appeared in the online publication Pravda.ruthe contemporary version of the Soviet-era newspaper Pravda that served as the official Communist Party channel for pro-communist, anti-American propaganda. Pravda.ru is definitely the place to find serious, incisive analysis of all kinds of important issues. Here's just a few of its recent articles: France unveils secret images of aliens and their spaceships http://english.pravda.ru/photo/report/UFO-1584 http://tinyurl.com/9a8sd4 Dog gives birth to mutant creature that resembles human being http://english.pravda.ru/photo/report/mutant-3050 http://tinyurl.com/yqk3yw Hellish hairy sea monster cast ashore http://english.pravda.ru/photo/report/sea_monster-1816 http://tinyurl.com/4k8obs Young woman grows ugly nipple on her foot http://www.funreports.com/fun/20-03-2007/1502-nipple_foot-0 http://tinyurl.com/2laglu Check 'em out!
[FairfieldLife] Mind boggling word for the day: Bugchasing
Came across a word today while discussing a new HIV Phase I trial. When the question of who would volunteer for the clinical trials arose, someone volunteered the bugchasers. No, these aren't kids who chase after fireflies with bottles at night. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bug_chasers It is a diverse world.
[FairfieldLife] Five to eight year promise (Re: FFL Koan Of The Day 3)
WillyTex wrote:
Duveyoung wrote:
Fine, don't believe me, who fucking cares...
It not so much that I don't believe you, Edg,
although you are a known liar, but that nobody
else has reported that they heard the Marshy
say anything about promising them enlightenment
in 5-7 years.
Willy, ya can't get enough new folks hating you? Ya gotta keep coming
back to me to get your punishment for being a trolling thug whose only
reason for existence is to be ridiculed?
Okay, I only have a few posts left, but I think it's important, at
regular intervals, to put on the FFL front burner this promise of the
TMO. It goes to the heart of the issue of TMO integrity.
The easy reply to Willy's post is to paste and quote the statements of
others here, and my work is done.
FFL's saint, L.B.Shriver, and others gave testimony. Here's him and
them recalling the concept's use in message #21700.
Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Nirvikalpa Samadhi!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
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bq2h_qYHDiUnNqxp_CMoRMkU1RZlbsvvb_G3U9fNqmg , l_b_shri...@y... wrote:
At the Mallorca course ('72) he said: Five to eight years?
Without long r=
ounding it
could take a million lifetimes.
Shankara's Viveka-chuuDaa-maNi has a figure like this:
shata-janma-koTi.
Well, koTi (kaw-tee) means, if memory serves, 10 millions;
shata-janma means 'a hundred births'. This seems to make
one billion, or stuff??
This came as quite a shock to the majority of the teacher trainees.
L B S
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
../../../../post?postID=upQHIXMf93LR2qk4aPw9PCOgs-DwJB3U5pMVFp3F4CuvMZX\
bq2h_qYHDiUnNqxp_CMoRMkU1RZlbsvvb_G3U9fNqmg , omg213 omg...@y...
wrote:
In 1967, at public lectures M. gave in Berkeley, they passed out a
black and white pamphlet at the entrance to the hall with M.'s
picture
prominent on the cover, stating in a header line
(paraphrasing) A 5
year plan for the students of the world to gain to cosmic
consciousness. The plan was 20min 2x, and periodic residence
courses.
A friend of mine in LA said tha M told them at UCLA in 1966 the
same,
but had also added, and fasting one day a week. But the fasting
part
was later dropped.
As I recall at Squaw Valley in 68, the 5 years to cc was
mainstream
orthodoxy. It was a common belief by many at that course that 5
years
was all it took.
At Humboldt 70, some student was very persistent with M. stating
that
almost all other traditions say it takes lifetimes to gain
enlightenment, etc. He pressed and pressed. M. would not budge
about
the 5 years (maybe it had become 5-8 years by then).
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
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bq2h_qYHDiUnNqxp_CMoRMkU1RZlbsvvb_G3U9fNqmg , l_b_shri...@y... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
../../../../post?postID=upQHIXMf93LR2qk4aPw9PCOgs-DwJB3U5pMVFp3F4CuvMZX\
bq2h_qYHDiUnNqxp_CMoRMkU1RZlbsvvb_G3U9fNqmg , Rick Archer r...@s...
wrote:
on 3/19/04 10:47 AM, Phil Goldberg at p...@p... wrote:
For what it's worth, I too was at Estes Park and do not
remember
the 5-=
8 year
program being in the checking notes or anything else we were
asked to t=
each.
Then again, maybe I conveniently ignored it. Or maybe
Rick's
memory is=
better
than mine.
Or maybe not. Maybe someone can dig out some old TTC notes
and see
whethe=
r
it¹s in there.
*
My notes for 3 nights of checking (Fiuggi 72, dictated by Guy
Hatchard) inc=
lude one
reference in the third night, right at the end. Under
the Vision of
Future=
Activities,
the first point emphasizes regularity of practice and mentions
the
5-8 yea=
r program
[fertilizer].
Fertilizer is the word sometimes applied to advanced
techniques.
The move=
ment did
at that time talk about a 5-8 year program to unfold one's full
potential=
. That might
reasonably be construed as enlightenment, but it would be
possible
to arg=
ue
otherwise.
L B S
[FairfieldLife] Barry's not intellectually endowed enough to grok Advaita
Bluey, I'm sorry, my bad, all this time I've been assuming you have the wherewithal to understand Advaita, but, ya know, sorry Barry, sucks to be you,...ya just don't have the brain power to grasp Advaita. Nope, ya don't, and shame on me from now on if I ever expect you to be intelligent again. Below, I repost to show the kind of presentation of Advaitan thought about which you have consistently been unable to show any grasp. Again, I get it. My bad. Presenting Advaita to you is not merely a pearl before a swine degree of error -- it's more like giving the Kashtuba Jewel to a chimpanzee. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_re...@... wrote: Silly silly Turq. What a childish approach to debating ultimate truth. As if. As if! As if a logical rearranging of concepts could be a spiritual process that was anything but a cul de sac. One of the methods for approaching the Absolute: neti, neti, neti. Egoic attachment is a projection of congruency by one processing (ego) with merely another processing of the brain. Get that? Doesn't seem that you do, widdle Bluey Boy. When neti is practiced, relativity is challenged to pony up something worthy of the ego's projection, and that means that ultimately amness must be presented to the ego -- only amness can satisfy the ego that it has found its soul mate. Neti, neti, neti is the equivalent of holding one's breath until the toddler gets what its little purple face is scrunched up for: being picked up by Mommy. Mother Divine is amness. Taking the TM mantra for a ride is the act of saying neti to all other processing until one gets a processing that satisfies it foreversee? This egoic practice of eschewing attachments weakens the monkey's motivation to jump to another branch without the monkey first saying, Why jump anywhere else? -- it's always just another branch -- not what I'm really looking for. That neti-practiced ability to pause before jumping is the most powerful ability that an ego can acquire. Finally, gaining that power, the ego is resolved into a permanent state of neti and ends up having only itself to attach to -- that is AMNESS is realized as the primal egoic embodiment. And that's the final attachment that must be rent asunder. Having that ability of residing in that amness, and having practiced neti and able to not fall in love with the next passing thought, ego now has the power to begin to resist identification with amness. Ego now has but a loose attachment to amness in that it has mastered avoiding attachment to all of amness' baubles and trinkets -- manifestations only -- except this one last manifest THING -- amness itself, a processing of a brain, the sound OM that can be infinitely modulated to become ANY OTHER THING. Residing in amness, from that POV, the ego realizes its omnipotence and that it is GOD, and also that it can be less than God -- a god of any dimension, a master of time and space, and that it can manifest without restraint in any guise, take on any incarnation, be an atom, a demon, a flower, a single thought, dust on an angel's wing, whatever. Yep, neti, neti, neti teaches you that, because you have to keep saying, in essence, Nope, you can't get me to put my attention there to everything! Ego says: I choose not to attach (ego process refuses to identify with another process,)to any offering of the mind, and by having done so for a long time, I finally have the psychic muscle to rein in this attachment-addiction even when I'm attached to the godhead itself. Only then, ONLY THEN, can one (ego) hope to find that the Absolute can be realized by the ego. Only then can the ego see that amness -- a processing -- cannot be a suitable embodiment for egoic satisfaction, because finally the ego sees that it too is not a suitable symbol of the all the truth that Godel said couldn't be expressed. The ego finally sees that amness is claustrophobic -- the tiniest of gilded prisons that won't even allow one Cosmic Breath to be taken. That's why Brahma rejected the lotus-amness-bliss and tried to get to the Absolute instead. As He traveled down the stalk, He was saying neti to the blossom-heaven. The ego, neti-siddhi empowered, in a magnificent act of surrender, chooses to shut up, stop singing OM, and listen-without-listening to non-sound, non-sense, non-non, for the first time. It dies on purpose. Only by finally doing neti on its own existence, only by stopping everything including itself, can the ego discover that the Absolute is in every interstice between thoughts, between quarks, and between iterations of ego, and most importantly that the Absolute is the real-non-real-unendingness and that it is the only fitting thing for ego to identify with. But, but, but, here's the funny part: now the tables have been fully turned, and the
[FairfieldLife] Re: Former Marxists are laughing at Obamanomics
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: No Laughing Matter By: Dr. Mark W. Hendrickson FrontPageMagazine.com | Thursday, July 02, 2009 snip For years, fiscal discipline has been eroding in Washington, but President Obama has increased government spending with reckless abandon as the leviathan government absorbs more and more of the private sector. It appears that the good Dr. Hendrickson has been on Mars for the past year, and since his return nobody has bothered to tell him there's been a financial crisis and a massive recession. In his NYTimes column today, Nobel Prize-winning economist and Princeton professor Paul Krugman urges a third stimulus bill and notes that fear of spending and debt in the current economic situation are absurd: It has been a rude shock to see so many economists ...lending their names to grossly exaggerated claims about the evils of short-run budget deficits. (Right now the risks associated with additional debt are much less than the risks associated with failing to give the economy adequate support.) I can't say I'm predisposed to take this chap as seriously as I perhaps should. As a Brit I find Krugman's support for Gordon Brown, our Great Helmsman, inexplicable. He appears to think Brown saved the world financial system and has since urged British voters not to support the opposition. Oh dear. And what's this? (On the Waxman-Markey climate-change bill) ...as I watched the deniers make their arguments, I couldn't help thinking that I was watching a form of treason treason against the planet. To fully appreciate the irresponsibility and immorality of climate- change denial, you need to know about the grim turn taken by the latest climate research. That's just silly in my view (and not well-informed). Not because one or t'other view is right, but for its glib intemperateness. I know he is a Nobel winner on the subject of economies of scale in international trade or some such. So I must touch my forelock. But all the same...
[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL and the Contradictions of Relativism
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: snip As it turns out, my challenge is an old and famous one, one that actually had an answer. It was proposed (at different times, obviously) by the Biblical King Solomon and by Abraham Lincoln, who challenged someone to produce a saying that would be true at all times and in all situations. Nuh-uh, that wasn't your challenge. Here's your challenge: Put up or shut up. Your 'non-relative truth' can either be produced or it cannot. And producing it only in terms of the relative or in comparison to the relative or from a relative point of view is...duh...just one more example of relativism. The pro- posed answer to THAT challenge was, This too shall pass, But this doesn't meet the terms of *your* challenge. snip I just found it interesting that those who were unwilling to even *try* to produce an example of an absolute truth You're making a reading error if you think all of us who challenged you were arguing for absolute truths. I certainly wasn't. were so willing to claim that me thinking that one was not likely was in itself a claim of absolute truth. Well, not likely wasn't what you said to begin with, but of course it doesn't help you wiggle out of your logical jam here; it's still a claim, and it's still self-contradictory. Especially because I went out of my way to say that I was open to someone coming up with an example of one, Doesn't help, sorry. and knew ahead of time the answer to the koan I was proposing. You didn't say that, but it wouldn't help anyway. Perhaps the absolute truth we are search- ing for is, Those whose only joy in life is to play intellectual 'gotcha' games with one of their perceived 'enemies' will do anything to convince themselves that they've 'gotcha-d' him, even lying to themselves and others. Barry Wright, Master of Inadvertent Irony. (I imagine he'd claim playing gotcha games with his perceived enemies isn't his *only* joy in life, but it's kind of odd that he would assume it's *their* only joy in life when he doesn't know anything *about* their lives.)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's master brings a boy back to life
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: snip But seeing siddhis themselves performed actually becomes kinda ho-hum in a remarkably short period of time. Even the *stupidest* bhakti has to realize after a while, Wow...the guy just levitated again. Isn't that neat? Wait...I'm the same as I was before he levitated, therefore seeing him do it didn't do diddley for me. So what's the point? Barry, December 2007: Being around siddhis and having to DEAL with their mind-blowing reality is what I see as one of the main values of them. There is a real benefit to the seeker in having to DEAL with experiences that cannot be intellectually fit in to their existing descriptions of the world and how it works. Whatever they consider the siddhis they've seen to be, it puts you through some changes to integrate having witnessed them into your world view. You have to learn a new level of trust in your own experience
[FairfieldLife] Re: Former Marxists are laughing at Obamanomics
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard M compost...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: No Laughing Matter By: Dr. Mark W. Hendrickson FrontPageMagazine.com | Thursday, July 02, 2009 snip For years, fiscal discipline has been eroding in Washington, but President Obama has increased government spending with reckless abandon as the leviathan government absorbs more and more of the private sector. It appears that the good Dr. Hendrickson has been on Mars for the past year, and since his return nobody has bothered to tell him there's been a financial crisis and a massive recession. In his NYTimes column today, Nobel Prize-winning economist and Princeton professor Paul Krugman urges a third stimulus bill and notes that fear of spending and debt in the current economic situation are absurd: It has been a rude shock to see so many economists ...lending their names to grossly exaggerated claims about the evils of short-run budget deficits. (Right now the risks associated with additional debt are much less than the risks associated with failing to give the economy adequate support.) I can't say I'm predisposed to take this chap as seriously as I perhaps should. As a Brit I find Krugman's support for Gordon Brown, our Great Helmsman, inexplicable. He appears to think Brown saved the world financial system and has since urged British voters not to support the opposition. Oh dear. Can't comment, don't know enough about Brown or about Krugman's thinking about him. And what's this? (On the Waxman-Markey climate-change bill) ...as I watched the deniers make their arguments, I couldn't help thinking that I was watching a form of treason treason against the planet. To fully appreciate the irresponsibility and immorality of climate-change denial, you need to know about the grim turn taken by the latest climate research. That's just silly in my view (and not well-informed). Not because one or t'other view is right, but for its glib intemperateness. It's a bit shrill, but he's a passionate guy (and much better informed than most). Then again, we have Shemp accusing those who support the fight against global warming of being mass murderers. I can't recall having seen you object to that. I don't know if Krugman's religious, but Judaism is *very* big on stewardship as part of *Tikkun Olam*, repairing the world: God showed Adam all the trees in the Garden of Eden and said: `See how beautiful and perfect are my works! All that I created, for you I have created. Do not abuse or destroy my world. For if you do, there is no one to repair it after you' (Ecclesiastes Rabbah 7:28). Tikkun Olam is a cultural imperative even for many secular Jews. If one (Jewish or otherwise, religious or otherwise) takes stewardship seriously, and one is convinced global warming is a genuine crisis, then a form of treason [in the sense of betrayal of a trust] against the planet isn't all that intemperate as a characterization of the deniers. What he was so angry about in that column, of course, is not that some people say global warming isn't a threat, but that so many of them are appallingly ignorant and even irrational--and there are quite a few of those in Congress who are voting against climate change legislation. (For many of them, it's not even a scientific or economic issue, it's just a political issue. Democrats want the bill, so they'll vote against it. Of course, there are some ignorant Democrats too.)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's master brings a boy back to life
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip But seeing siddhis themselves performed actually becomes kinda ho-hum in a remarkably short period of time. Even the *stupidest* bhakti has to realize after a while, Wow...the guy just levitated again. Isn't that neat? Wait...I'm the same as I was before he levitated, therefore seeing him do it didn't do diddley for me. So what's the point? Barry, December 2007: Being around siddhis and having to DEAL with their mind-blowing reality is what I see as one of the main values of them. There is a real benefit to the seeker in having to DEAL with experiences that cannot be intellectually fit in to their existing descriptions of the world and how it works. Whatever they consider the siddhis they've seen to be, it puts you through some changes to integrate having witnessed them into your world view. You have to learn a new level of trust in your own experience Barry's 2007 opinion is that witnessing the siddhis puts you through some changes to integrate...into your world view. The 2007 change Barry integrated into his 2009 world view is that witnessing the siddhis do not change your world view. LOL.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's master brings a boy back to life
On Jul 2, 2009, at 11:21 PM, sgrayatlarge wrote: Well in my opinion I would have to say that death is a permanent cessation of all vital functions, basically the end of life. I'm pretty much conventional about your basic run of the mill maeaning of death. For instance in my opinion,Michael Jackson is dead. I'm sure many here would disagree with my opinion, but I'm holding to fast to this. Consider this: one of the possible explanations given by Christian theologians for the resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth is the so- called swoon theory. IOW, he wasn't dead and simply later revived a couple days later. Occam's razor would have us take a more reasonable answer, like this kid was merely passed out for whatever reason. Traditional Hindus are often extraordinarily superstitious people, they go the opposite direction from commonsense answers. Also, wasn't this bio written by the McRishi's uncle? How reliable of a person was he? It seems clear he was a TB in Sw. Brahmananda, et al-- not exactly a reliable witness most likely.
Re: [FairfieldLife] It was a dark and stormy contest -- 2009 Bulwer-Lytton winners
On Jul 3, 2009, at 5:58 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: My favorite writing contest in the world has just announced its winners for the year. If you are unfamiliar with the contest, the game is to write the worst first sentences of the worst novels never published. Bulwer-Lytton Fiction Contest 2009 Results Folks say that if you listen real close at the height of the full moon, when the wind is blowin' off Nantucket Sound from the nor' east and the dogs are howlin' for no earthly reason, you can hear the awful screams of the crew of the Ellie May, a sturdy whaler Captained by John McTavish; for it was on just such a night when the rum was flowin' and, Davey Jones be damned, big John brought his men on deck for the first of several screaming contests. LOL...I think that's great! Which just goes to show...something... Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's master brings a boy back to life
On Jul 3, 2009, at 11:57 AM, raunchydog wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip But seeing siddhis themselves performed actually becomes kinda ho-hum in a remarkably short period of time. Even the *stupidest* bhakti has to realize after a while, Wow...the guy just levitated again. Isn't that neat? Wait...I'm the same as I was before he levitated, therefore seeing him do it didn't do diddley for me. So what's the point? Barry, December 2007: Being around siddhis and having to DEAL with their mind-blowing reality is what I see as one of the main values of them. There is a real benefit to the seeker in having to DEAL with experiences that cannot be intellectually fit in to their existing descriptions of the world and how it works. Whatever they consider the siddhis they've seen to be, it puts you through some changes to integrate having witnessed them into your world view. You have to learn a new level of trust in your own experience Barry's 2007 opinion is that witnessing the siddhis puts you through some changes to integrate...into your world view. The 2007 change Barry integrated into his 2009 world view is that witnessing the siddhis do not change your world view. LOL. You might want to consider that sidhis (the Mahesh McRishi variety) and siddhis are different entities in Turqs POV. He's probably referring to Rama, not the Mahesh McSidhis. Judy commonly tries to make dishonest statements like these that she either knows are incorrect parallels (in a pathetic attempt to deceive and lure someone into arguments) or she's clueless. Given her consistent dishonesty, my guess would be the former.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's master brings a boy back to life
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On Jul 2, 2009, at 11:21 PM, sgrayatlarge wrote: Well in my opinion I would have to say that death is a permanent cessation of all vital functions, basically the end of life. I'm pretty much conventional about your basic run of the mill maeaning of death. For instance in my opinion,Michael Jackson is dead. I'm sure many here would disagree with my opinion, but I'm holding to fast to this. Consider this: one of the possible explanations given by Christian theologians for the resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth is the so- called swoon theory. IOW, he wasn't dead and simply later revived a couple days later. Occam's razor would have us take a more reasonable answer, like this kid was merely passed out for whatever reason. Traditional Hindus are often extraordinarily superstitious people, they go the opposite direction from commonsense answers. Also, wasn't this bio written by the McRishi's uncle? No. The biography of Guru Dev titled The Whole Thing The Real Thing was originally compiled by Rameswar Tiwari and later translated into English by Prem C. Pasricha. How reliable of a person was he? It seems clear he was a TB in Sw. Brahmananda, et al-- not exactly a reliable witness most likely.
[FairfieldLife] Guru Dev did not adhere to just Advaita Vedanta
In the Vedic tradition, there are three main paths to God realization: Bhakti-marga or the path of Divine love and devotion; Jnana-marga or the path of knowledge and spiritual understanding; and Karma-marga or the path of action in alignment with Divine Law. From his discourses it is clear that Guru Dev placed equal emphasis on all three methods. This supports the view that Guru Dev was a Universal Guru and embodiment of the Veda. Continued reading of his words will enliven deeper levels of God Realization in the reader. -- 1 So as long passion for attaining God is not firm you shall fly hither and thither, without knowing, like a kite. 2 Be a worldly man through body and wealth and contemplate Him (Paramatma) in your heart. Thus you shall shine in the world and attain summum bonum as well. 3 The God is Almighty. If you attain power through worshiping the Almighty, in accordance with scriptures, there would be nothing impossible in the world. 4 He alone is the Adored One who does not let any evil take place. He alone can make one free from all evils, for He alone is Almighty. 5 He is perfect in the entire creation. He saves those from every evil who depend wholeheartedly upon Him. 6 Keep in mind the instance of Prahlad. Wherever Prahlad was taken to he was saved by his Adored One. Hence make yourself immune from every evil by making Him your Adored One. 7 Lord Vishnu, Shankar, Devi, Surya and Ganesh, each of these five deities, are equally capable of doing good to their devotees. One should make one of them one's favourite and should visualize him pervading throughout the creation. 8 He alone is the best devotee who sees his Adored One everywhere. For the devotee of Vishnu the Lord is omnipresent. He should see Lord Vishnu even in the images of Shankar, Devi, Ganesh and Surya etc. Likewise a devotee of Shankar, Devi etc. should visualize his Adored One omnipresent. 9 If a worshipper of Devi does not see her in the images of Vishnu and Shankar etc. This would imply that he is doubting the omnipresence of his Adored One. Such a devotee who sees his Adored One partially remains imperfect. 10 He who causes strife and envy among different schools and philosophies is but an outcome of not seeing his Adored One omnipresent. Excerpted from a Booklet of 30 short quotations of Shankaracharya Swami Brahmanand Saraswati translated into English language All 30 quotations found here: http://www.shrigurudevji.com/article.asp?article=book_of_quotations
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's master brings a boy back to life
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge no_reply@ wrote: Raising someone from the dead deserves some scrutiny, unless it's not taken seriously, since I've never heard a big debate on this story. Afterall this book has been around for years and I know many have read it. Just out of curiosity, do you think that the siddhis are possible? snip, Some of us have seen glimpses of them at work- doesn't take too much to verify that they must be possible.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's master brings a boy back to life
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge no_reply@ wrote: Raising someone from the dead deserves some scrutiny, unless it's not taken seriously, since I've never heard a big debate on this story. Afterall this book has been around for years and I know many have read it. Just out of curiosity, do you think that the siddhis are possible? snip, Some of us have seen glimpses of them at work- doesn't take too much to verify that they must be possible.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's master brings a boy back to life
- Some of us have seen glimpses of them at work- doesn't take too much to verify that they must be possible. - After 32 years, still waiting for verification -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge no_reply@ wrote: Raising someone from the dead deserves some scrutiny, unless it's not taken seriously, since I've never heard a big debate on this story. Afterall this book has been around for years and I know many have read it. Just out of curiosity, do you think that the siddhis are possible? snip, Some of us have seen glimpses of them at work- doesn't take too much to verify that they must be possible.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mind boggling word for the day: Bugchasing
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, It's just a ride bill.hicks.all.a.r...@... wrote: Came across a word today while discussing a new HIV Phase I trial. When the question of who would volunteer for the clinical trials arose, someone volunteered the bugchasers. No, these aren't kids who chase after fireflies with bottles at night. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bug_chasers It is a diverse world. I don't think bug chasing is all that large a phenomenon, but there is a growing trend of having unsafe sex. Because of the new meds, HIV is now considered a treatable chronic condition, and people have become much more complacent about using condoms. Also, barebacking has become a fetish, and there's more and more condomless gay porn being made. Personally, that complacency terrifies me, and I've become the exact opposite of a bug chaser. I haven't had sex with another person in years, and I probably won't ever again for the rest of my life.
[FairfieldLife] The Kripal effect?
It turns out that almost everybody has the inherent ability to see inner light and hear inner sound. Moreover, almost everybody has the capacity to have an out-of-body experience and behold wondrous inner visions. You don't need to go to an Indian guru to have such experiences indeed, you don't need to go anywhere at all. But that's not what Kirpal Singh and his successors told their vast following. Instead, unsuspecting seekers(who number in the thousands) were taught to believe that it was the guru himself, not the disciple, who was orchestrating the elevation of the soul into higher regions. But Kirpal and crew were not being completely forthcoming about the mechanism which governs access to such amazing sights and sounds. That mechanism is the brain and that three pounds of glorious tissue is the lot of all humans. See more.. http://www.ex-premie.org/papers/kirpal_statistic.htm
[FairfieldLife] Maharishi's passport and handwriting samples
Maharishi's Passport: http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/sources/photos/MMY_passport.jpg Note from Maharishi from 1955: http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/sources/photos/handwrittenSigned.jpg What the note says: 'The sun of Guru Deva's Blessings is now up on the horizon. Wake up from the deep slumber of apathy and agony and enjoy all glories of life material and divine.' [signed] Bal Brahmachari Mahesh in 1955 Another note from Maharishi from 1955: http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/sources/photos/MMY_note.jpg What the note says: 'Prostrations to the Holy feet of Shri Guru Deva Swami Brahmananda Saraswati Maharaj the Jagat guru the late Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath, Badarikashram Himalayas [signed] Bal Brahmachari Mahesh - Uttar Kashi You can see these images and much more at the website - 'Introduction to Guru Dev Shankaracharya Swami Brahmananda Saraswati': http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/introduction.htm
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's master brings a boy back to life
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On Jul 3, 2009, at 11:57 AM, raunchydog wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip But seeing siddhis themselves performed actually becomes kinda ho-hum in a remarkably short period of time. Even the *stupidest* bhakti has to realize after a while, Wow...the guy just levitated again. Isn't that neat? Wait...I'm the same as I was before he levitated, therefore seeing him do it didn't do diddley for me. So what's the point? Barry, December 2007: Being around siddhis and having to DEAL with their mind-blowing reality is what I see as one of the main values of them. There is a real benefit to the seeker in having to DEAL with experiences that cannot be intellectually fit in to their existing descriptions of the world and how it works. Whatever they consider the siddhis they've seen to be, it puts you through some changes to integrate having witnessed them into your world view. You have to learn a new level of trust in your own experience Barry's 2007 opinion is that witnessing the siddhis puts you through some changes to integrate...into your world view. The 2007 change Barry integrated into his 2009 world view is that witnessing the siddhis do not change your world view. LOL. You might want to consider that sidhis (the Mahesh McRishi variety) and siddhis are different entities in Turqs POV. He's probably referring to Rama, not the Mahesh McSidhis. ROTFL! Poor Vaj. Of *course* Barry's referring to Rama, both times. He did a 180. That's the *point*, dumbo. Judy commonly tries to make dishonest statements like these that she either knows are incorrect parallels (in a pathetic attempt to deceive and lure someone into arguments) or she's clueless. Given her consistent dishonesty, my guess would be the former. Why would I even *want* to make anyone think he was referring to the TM-Sidhis?? Raunchy obviously didn't think that; it wouldn't make any sense. Plus which, Barry's never mentioned witnessing any siddhis associated with the TM-Sidhis. Oh, yes, and in a different paragraph of the current post I quoted, he refers to the TM-Sidhis as siddhis. And yet another attempt to make me out to be a liar down the drain. How embarrassing for Vaj. I keep catching him in blatant lies, but whenever he tries to pin a lie on me--knowing that I don't lie, but having no other defense--he plasters his face with egg and *confirms* that he's a liar. BTW, nothing wrong with Barry changing his mind about the value of witnessing siddhis. The question is whether he really changes his mind about things or simply changes what he *says* about them depending on what he perceives to be to his advantage in a particular discussion (in the current case, putting down Edg). The fact tht he never says I used to think X, but now I think Y when he does one of these flip-flops suggests it's the latter. Chances are he doesn't even remember what he said earlier.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's master brings a boy back to life
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: You might want to consider that sidhis (the Mahesh McRishi variety) and siddhis are different entities in Turqs POV. Sorta like the difference between seeing a little kid with a towel for a cape leaping off of a two- foot curb and shouting I'm flying, compared to seeing someone actually flying. :-) He's probably referring to Rama, not the Mahesh McSidhis. Exactly. And yes, there is a coginitive dissonance factor involved in witnessing sidhis that puts one through a few changes. Your mind has no problem with what you are witnessing, but your *body* does; it's as if it goes into shock from seeing something happening that can't be happening. But to be honest, that's a phenomenon that lasts less than six months. After that, if you didn't run off screaming, telling yourself that you didn't really see what you saw, trying to erase it from your memory (and a lot of people who saw Rama did just that), then you just settled into the sidhi thing and got fairly ho-hum about it. I would say in retrospect that the cognitive dissonance factor has value, in that it loosens the grip on the seeker of his concepts about what he thinks realit is and opens him up to actual reality. And one other aspect of siddhis has possible value -- sitting in the energy field that surrounds the person performing them as they are being performed. That's pretty interesting, and the way that sidhis are really taught IMO. But on the whole, I don't see either learning to perform sidhis or witnessing sidhis performed as having any real lasting value for the average spiritual seeker. The former all too often fuels ego and locks one into the ego and desire planes, and the latter really isn't worth all that much IMO once one gets over the Wow phase. That said, it was neat to have seen whatever it was that I saw. I wouldn't trade the experience for anything I can think of. In retrospect, prob- ably the most profound real benefit of having witnessed them in the long term was the realiz- ation that there is nothing one can *possibly* do to convince someone who hasn't witnessed such things that they are possible. It wouldn't have *mattered* if I'd had a video camera with me and recorded everything. People are going to believe what people are going to believe, and there is simply nothing anyone can do to change that. And that IMO is a good thing to have real- ized. So if witnessing sidhis helped to teach it to me, maybe they had value after all.
[FairfieldLife] Special Meeting with Drs. Doug and Linda Birx
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 12:28:34 -0500 Subject: Special Meeting with Drs. Doug and Linda Birx From: Development Office developm...@mum.edu Dear friends, Drs. Doug and Linda Birx will hold a special Advance Lecture on the TM-Sidhi® Program on Thursday evening, July 9th, at 8:15 pm. This will be a wonderful opportunity for going more deeply into the knowledge and experience of the practice. Men will meet in the Men's Dome and Ladies in the Ladies' Dome on the Maharishi University of Management campus. The meetings are open to all Sidhas with a valid dome badge. This includes people who are living in Fairfield and those visiting from out of town to participate in current courses or attend program in the dome. Please note: This is the same meeting listed on the course schedule for July 9th as the TM-Sidhi Checking, but will be held in both domes. Please bring a valid Dome Badge. Thank you. Jai Guru Dev
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's master brings a boy back to life
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: You might want to consider that sidhis (the Mahesh McRishi variety) and siddhis are different entities in Turqs POV. Notice that throughout this post, Barry refers to sidhis, not siddhis. belly laugh Vaj takes it in the ear coming and going. Instant karma. Sorta like the difference between seeing a little kid with a towel for a cape leaping off of a two- foot curb and shouting I'm flying, compared to seeing someone actually flying. :-) He's probably referring to Rama, not the Mahesh McSidhis. Exactly. And yes, there is a coginitive dissonance factor involved in witnessing sidhis that puts one through a few changes. Your mind has no problem with what you are witnessing, but your *body* does; it's as if it goes into shock from seeing something happening that can't be happening. But to be honest, that's a phenomenon that lasts less than six months. After that, if you didn't run off screaming, telling yourself that you didn't really see what you saw, trying to erase it from your memory (and a lot of people who saw Rama did just that), then you just settled into the sidhi thing and got fairly ho-hum about it. I would say in retrospect that the cognitive dissonance factor has value, in that it loosens the grip on the seeker of his concepts about what he thinks realit is and opens him up to actual reality. And one other aspect of siddhis has possible value -- sitting in the energy field that surrounds the person performing them as they are being performed. That's pretty interesting, and the way that sidhis are really taught IMO. But on the whole, I don't see either learning to perform sidhis or witnessing sidhis performed as having any real lasting value for the average spiritual seeker. The former all too often fuels ego and locks one into the ego and desire planes, and the latter really isn't worth all that much IMO once one gets over the Wow phase. That said, it was neat to have seen whatever it was that I saw. I wouldn't trade the experience for anything I can think of. In retrospect, prob- ably the most profound real benefit of having witnessed them in the long term was the realiz- ation that there is nothing one can *possibly* do to convince someone who hasn't witnessed such things that they are possible. It wouldn't have *mattered* if I'd had a video camera with me and recorded everything. People are going to believe what people are going to believe, and there is simply nothing anyone can do to change that. And that IMO is a good thing to have real- ized. So if witnessing sidhis helped to teach it to me, maybe they had value after all.
[FairfieldLife] It was a dark and stormy contest --leaves a nice taste in my moutha question
--So this was amusing I like to be amused Speaking of amusing; Question: Are they having the farmer's market tomorrow? Being a holiday, and all? Does anyone know? I mean in Fairfield. Thanks - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote: On Jul 3, 2009, at 5:58 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: My favorite writing contest in the world has just announced its winners for the year. If you are unfamiliar with the contest, the game is to write the worst first sentences of the worst novels never published. Bulwer-Lytton Fiction Contest 2009 Results Folks say that if you listen real close at the height of the full moon, when the wind is blowin' off Nantucket Sound from the nor' east and the dogs are howlin' for no earthly reason, you can hear the awful screams of the crew of the Ellie May, a sturdy whaler Captained by John McTavish; for it was on just such a night when the rum was flowin' and, Davey Jones be damned, big John brought his men on deck for the first of several screaming contests. LOL...I think that's great! Which just goes to show...something... Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's master brings a boy back to life
Vaj wrote: On Jul 2, 2009, at 11:21 PM, sgrayatlarge wrote: Well in my opinion I would have to say that death is a permanent cessation of all vital functions, basically the end of life. I'm pretty much conventional about your basic run of the mill maeaning of death. For instance in my opinion,Michael Jackson is dead. I'm sure many here would disagree with my opinion, but I'm holding to fast to this. Consider this: one of the possible explanations given by Christian theologians for the resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth is the so- called swoon theory. IOW, he wasn't dead and simply later revived a couple days later. Occam's razor would have us take a more reasonable answer, like this kid was merely passed out for whatever reason. Traditional Hindus are often extraordinarily superstitious people, they go the opposite direction from commonsense answers. Also, wasn't this bio written by the McRishi's uncle? How reliable of a person was he? It seems clear he was a TB in Sw. Brahmananda, et al-- not exactly a reliable witness most likely. Bringing a dead body to life would be a variation on one of the tantric siddhis or tests that takes place in the cremation ground. There the tantric sits on the dead body and through transmitting shakti brings it to life. Of course I've never done this but know people who claim to. But supposedly the body comes to life but also often tries to strangle the person sitting on it at which time there is a technique to put it back to its dead state. It isn't necessary a large jump to think that shakti might be able to bring a dead person (or animal) back to life but I would expect that with some much dead tissue they would probably react mindlessly like a zombie and hence why they might appear to strangle the tantric. It would be a test to show that one has achieved an ability to transmit an immense amount of shakti. I would also think that the boy would have been more like a zombie and not worth it to the parents to be in that state of life. I can't imagine that state of animation to last long either (another good reason to skip town). One of my Indian astrology teachers referred to this as a trick but didn't elaborate on how it was a trick or how it was performed.
[FairfieldLife] Farmer's Market
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of meowthirteen Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 1:33 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] It was a dark and stormy contest --leaves a nice taste in my moutha question Are they having the farmer's market tomorrow? Being a holiday, and all? Does anyone know? I mean in Fairfield. Thanks I'm quite sure they are. There's an email address here: http://www.fairfieldiowa.com/component/option,com_jcalpro/Itemid,53/extid,32 1/extmode,view/
[FairfieldLife] 1970 Rishikesh TTC Photo
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/photos/album/270820106/pic/15579 83749/view A filmmaker emailed me from Germany wanting to identify the people circled in the photo at the above link. If you think you might know, email me and I'll send you a higher resolution version.
[FairfieldLife] Xcellent article on cancer
Xcellent article on cancer. Pass it on. AFTER YEARS OF TELLING PEOPLE CHEMOTHERAPY IS THE ONLY WAY TO TRY AND ELIMINATE CANCER, JOHNS HOPKINS IS FINALLY STARTING TO TELL YOU THERE IS AN ALTERNATIVE WAY . Cancer Update from Johns Hopkins: 1.. Every person has cancer cells in the body. These cancer cells do not show up in the standard tests until they have multiplied to a few billion. When doctors tell cancer patients that there are no more cancer cells in their bodies after treatment, it just means the tests are unable to detect the cancer cells because they have not reached the detectable size. 2. Cancer cells occur between 6 to more than 10 times in a person's lifetime. 3. When the person's immune system is strong the cancer cells will be destroyed and prevented from multiplying and forming tumours. 4. When a person has cancer it indicates the person has multiple nutritional deficiencies. These could be due to genetic, environmental, food and lifestyle factors. 5. To overcome the multiple nutritional deficiencies, changing diet and including supplements will strengthen the immune system. 6. Chemotherapy involves poisoning the rapidly-growing cancer cells and also destroys rapidly-growing healthy cells in the bone marrow, gastro-intestinal tract etc, and can cause organ damage, like liver, kidneys, heart, lungs etc. 7. Radiation while destroying cancer cells also burns, scars and damages healthy cells, tissues and organs. 8. Initial treatment with chemotherapy and radiation will often reduce tumor size. However prolonged use of chemotherapy and radiation do not result in more tumor destruction. 9. When the body has too much toxic burden from chemotherapy and radiation the immune system is either compromised or destroyed, hence the person can succumb to various kinds of infections and complications. 10. Chemotherapy and radiation can cause cancer cells to mutate and become resistant and difficult to destroy. Surgery can also cause cancer cells to spread to other sites. 11. An effective way to battle cancer is to starve the cancer cells by not feeding it with the foods it needs to multiply. WHAT CANCER CELLS FEED ON: a. Sugar is a cancer-feeder. By cutting off sugar it cuts off one important food supply to the cancer cells. Sugar substitutes like NutraSweet, Equal,Spoonful, etc are made with Aspartame and it is harmful. A better natural substitute would be Manuka honey or molasses but only in very sma ll amounts. Table salt has a chemical added to make it white in colour. Better alternative is Bragg's aminos or sea salt. b. Milk causes the body to produce mucus, especially in the gastro-intestinal tract. Cancer feeds on mucus. By cutting off milk and substituting with unsweetened soy milk, cancer cells are being starved. c. Cancer cells thrive in an acid environment. A meat-based diet is acidic and it is best to eat fish, and a little chicken rather than beef or pork. Meat also contains livestock antibiotics, growth hormones and parasites, which are all harmful, especially to people with cancer. d. A diet made of 80% fresh vegetables and juice, whole grains, seeds, nuts and a little fruits help put the body into an alkaline environment. About 20% can be from cooked food including beans. Fresh vegetable juices provide live enzymes that are easily absorbed and reach down to cellular levels within 15 minutes to no urish and enhance growth of healthy cells. To obtain live enzymes for building healthy cells try and drink fresh vegetable juice (most vegetables including bean sprouts) and eat some raw vegetables 2 or 3 times a day. Enzymes are destroyed at temperatures of 104 degrees F (40 degrees C). e. Avoid coffee, tea, and chocolate, which have high caffeine. Green tea is a better alternative and has cancer-fighting properties. Water-best to drink purified water, or filtered, to avoid known toxins and heavy metals in tap water. Distilled water is acidic, avoid it. 12. Meat protein is difficult to digest and requires a lot of digestive enzymes. Undigested meat remaining in the intestines become putrified and leads to more toxic buildup. 13. Cancer cell walls have a tough protein covering. By refraining from or eating less meat it frees more enzymes to attack the protein walls of cancer cells and allows the body's killer cells to destroy the cancer cells. 14.. Some supplements build up the immune system (IP6, Flor-ssence, Essiac, anti-oxidants, vitamins, minerals, EFAs etc.) to enable the body's own killer cells to destroy cancer cells. Other supplements like vitamin E are known to cause apoptosis, or programmed cell death, the body's normal method of disposing of damaged, unwanted, or unneeded cells.. 15. Cancer is a disease of the mind, body, and spirit. A proactive and positive spirit will help the cancer warrior be a survivor. Anger, unforgiveness and bitterness put the body into a stressful and acidic environment. Learn
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes for Lies Blog: Dr. Timothy Stryker
http://www.wickedlocal.com/winchester/homepage/x38164239/Stryker-pleads-guilty-to-perjury-conspiracy-connected-to-1993-unsolved-murder-sentenced-to-four-years --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: Sihdi: http://www.eyesforlies.blogspot.com/2008/10/dr-timothy-stryker.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: 1970 Rishikesh TTC Photo
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/photos/album/270820106/pic/15579 83749/view A filmmaker emailed me from Germany wanting to identify the people circled in the photo at the above link. If you think you might know, email me and I'll send you a higher resolution version. The ghosts of Christmas' past?...Mussolini and his wife?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Xcellent article on cancer
I believe some of this info is very valuable, particularly since many alternative medical professionals believe sugar and oxygen deprivation are important factors in this disease, however this kind of info would never be put out by a US hospital: http://www.hopkinskimmelcancercenter.org/index.cfm/cID/1684/mpage/item.cfm/itemID/1016 Love will swallow you, eat you up completely, until there is no `you,' only love. - Amma --- On Fri, 7/3/09, vedamer...@yahoo.de vedamer...@yahoo.de wrote: From: vedamer...@yahoo.de vedamer...@yahoo.de Subject: [FairfieldLife] Xcellent article on cancer To: Date: Friday, July 3, 2009, 3:19 PM Xcellent article on cancer. Pass it on. AFTER YEARS OF TELLING PEOPLE CHEMOTHERAPY IS THE ONLY WAY TO TRY AND ELIMINATE CANCER, JOHNS HOPKINS IS FINALLY STARTING TO TELL YOU THERE IS AN ALTERNATIVE WAY . Cancer Update from Johns Hopkins: 1.. Every person has cancer cells in the body. These cancer cells do not show up in the standard tests until they have multiplied to a few billion. When doctors tell cancer patients that there are no more cancer cells in their bodies after treatment, it just means the tests are unable to detect the cancer cells because they have not reached the detectable size. 2. Cancer cells occur between 6 to more than 10 times in a person's lifetime. 3. When the person's immune system is strong the cancer cells will be destroyed and prevented from multiplying and forming tumours. 4. When a person has cancer it indicates the person has multiple nutritional deficiencies. These could be due to genetic, environmental, food and lifestyle factors. 5. To overcome the multiple nutritional deficiencies, changing diet and including supplements will strengthen the immune system. 6. Chemotherapy involves poisoning the rapidly-growing cancer cells and also destroys rapidly-growing healthy cells in the bone marrow, gastro-intestinal tract etc, and can cause organ damage, like liver, kidneys, heart, lungs etc. 7. Radiation while destroying cancer cells also burns, scars and damages healthy cells, tissues and organs. 8. Initial treatment with chemotherapy and radiation will often reduce tumor size. However prolonged use of chemotherapy and radiation do not result in more tumor destruction. 9. When the body has too much toxic burden from chemotherapy and radiation the immune system is either compromised or destroyed, hence the person can succumb to various kinds of infections and complications. 10. Chemotherapy and radiation can cause cancer cells to mutate and become resistant and difficult to destroy. Surgery can also cause cancer cells to spread to other sites. 11. An effective way to battle cancer is to starve the cancer cells by not feeding it with the foods it needs to multiply. WHAT CANCER CELLS FEED ON: a. Sugar is a cancer-feeder. By cutting off sugar it cuts off one important food supply to the cancer cells. Sugar substitutes like NutraSweet, Equal,Spoonful, etc are made with Aspartame and it is harmful. A better natural substitute would be Manuka honey or molasses but only in very sma ll amounts. Table salt has a chemical added to make it white in colour. Better alternative is Bragg's aminos or sea salt. b. Milk causes the body to produce mucus, especially in the gastro-intestinal tract. Cancer feeds on mucus. By cutting off milk and substituting with unsweetened soy milk, cancer cells are being starved. c. Cancer cells thrive in an acid environment. A meat-based diet is acidic and it is best to eat fish, and a little chicken rather than beef or pork. Meat also contains livestock antibiotics, growth hormones and parasites, which are all harmful, especially to people with cancer. d. A diet made of 80% fresh vegetables and juice, whole grains, seeds, nuts and a little fruits help put the body into an alkaline environment. About 20% can be from cooked food including beans. Fresh vegetable juices provide live enzymes that are easily absorbed and reach down to cellular levels within 15 minutes to no urish and enhance growth of healthy cells. To obtain live enzymes for building healthy cells try and drink fresh vegetable juice (most vegetables including bean sprouts) and eat some raw vegetables 2 or 3 times a day. Enzymes are destroyed at temperatures of 104 degrees F (40 degrees C). e. Avoid coffee, tea, and chocolate, which have high caffeine. Green tea is a better alternative and has cancer-fighting properties. Water-best to drink purified water, or filtered, to avoid known toxins and heavy metals in tap water. Distilled water is acidic, avoid it. 12. Meat protein is difficult to digest and requires a lot of digestive enzymes. Undigested meat remaining in the intestines become putrified and leads to more toxic buildup. 13. Cancer cell walls have a tough protein covering. By refraining from or eating less meat it frees more enzymes to attack the protein walls of
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's master brings a boy back to life
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: Vaj wrote: On Jul 2, 2009, at 11:21 PM, sgrayatlarge wrote: Well in my opinion I would have to say that death is a permanent cessation of all vital functions, basically the end of life. I'm pretty much conventional about your basic run of the mill maeaning of death. For instance in my opinion,Michael Jackson is dead. I'm sure many here would disagree with my opinion, but I'm holding to fast to this. Consider this: one of the possible explanations given by Christian theologians for the resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth is the so- called swoon theory. IOW, he wasn't dead and simply later revived a couple days later. Occam's razor would have us take a more reasonable answer, like this kid was merely passed out for whatever reason. Traditional Hindus are often extraordinarily superstitious people, they go the opposite direction from commonsense answers. Also, wasn't this bio written by the McRishi's uncle? How reliable of a person was he? It seems clear he was a TB in Sw. Brahmananda, et al-- not exactly a reliable witness most likely. Bringing a dead body to life would be a variation on one of the tantric siddhis or tests that takes place in the cremation ground. There the tantric sits on the dead body and through transmitting shakti brings it to life. Of course I've never done this but know people who claim to. But supposedly the body comes to life but also often tries to strangle the person sitting on it at which time there is a technique to put it back to its dead state. It isn't necessary a large jump to think that shakti might be able to bring a dead person (or animal) back to life but I would expect that with some much dead tissue they would probably react mindlessly like a zombie and hence why they might appear to strangle the tantric. It would be a test to show that one has achieved an ability to transmit an immense amount of shakti. I would also think that the boy would have been more like a zombie and not worth it to the parents to be in that state of life. I can't imagine that state of animation to last long either (another good reason to skip town). One of my Indian astrology teachers referred to this as a trick but didn't elaborate on how it was a trick or how it was performed. Your description sounds like a half-assed failure by an irresponsible, inept huckster who really DOES have a serious lack of complete development. I truly doubt that Guru Dev's master was such an incompetent dolt. If he did restore the boy to life, I'm sure he restored him to his normal state. I'm really amazed at some of the people here, especially those who claim such extensive learning in these areas, who can't seem to accept that such things can indeed be done properly by fully developed God-realized beings. It's as if you don't have a remote clue who and what God is, or of the potential implications of -genuine- spiritual union with God. And you certainly completely miss the concept of The Whole Thing The Real Thing. I think, for the most part on this forum, that view is a reflection of the standard TMO line that appeals to even hardcore atheists, that contact with the attributeless Absolute -alone- is sufficient for complete spiritual development. Paramatma [God] is either completely left out of the picture, or is relegated to the status of unimportant superstitious hokum for the ignorant.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Former Marxists are laughing at Obamanomics
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard M compost1uk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: No Laughing Matter By: Dr. Mark W. Hendrickson FrontPageMagazine.com | Thursday, July 02, 2009 snip For years, fiscal discipline has been eroding in Washington, but President Obama has increased government spending with reckless abandon as the leviathan government absorbs more and more of the private sector. It appears that the good Dr. Hendrickson has been on Mars for the past year, and since his return nobody has bothered to tell him there's been a financial crisis and a massive recession. In his NYTimes column today, Nobel Prize-winning economist and Princeton professor Paul Krugman urges a third stimulus bill and notes that fear of spending and debt in the current economic situation are absurd: It has been a rude shock to see so many economists ...lending their names to grossly exaggerated claims about the evils of short-run budget deficits. (Right now the risks associated with additional debt are much less than the risks associated with failing to give the economy adequate support.) I can't say I'm predisposed to take this chap as seriously as I perhaps should. As a Brit I find Krugman's support for Gordon Brown, our Great Helmsman, inexplicable. He appears to think Brown saved the world financial system and has since urged British voters not to support the opposition. Oh dear. Can't comment, don't know enough about Brown or about Krugman's thinking about him. And what's this? (On the Waxman-Markey climate-change bill) ...as I watched the deniers make their arguments, I couldn't help thinking that I was watching a form of treason treason against the planet. To fully appreciate the irresponsibility and immorality of climate-change denial, you need to know about the grim turn taken by the latest climate research. That's just silly in my view (and not well-informed). Not because one or t'other view is right, but for its glib intemperateness. It's a bit shrill, but he's a passionate guy (and much better informed than most). Then again, we have Shemp accusing those who support the fight against global warming of being mass murderers. I can't recall having seen you object to that. Fair cop. Schemp, you are a very bad man (if you said that). I don't know if Krugman's religious, but Judaism is *very* big on stewardship as part of *Tikkun Olam*, repairing the world: God showed Adam all the trees in the Garden of Eden and said: `See how beautiful and perfect are my works! All that I created, for you I have created. Do not abuse or destroy my world. For if you do, there is no one to repair it after you' (Ecclesiastes Rabbah 7:28). Tikkun Olam is a cultural imperative even for many secular Jews. If one (Jewish or otherwise, religious or otherwise) takes stewardship seriously, and one is convinced global warming is a genuine crisis, then a form of treason [in the sense of betrayal of a trust] against the planet isn't all that intemperate as a characterization of the deniers. It's an interesting and perhaps revealing 'take'. But Krugsman's source of kudos is supposed to be as a representative of the rationalist, scientific wing of human thought. His Nobel prize wasn't awarded for services to religion. Some militant atheists blame religion for most of our woes and conflicts. I don't think that's entirely fair, but where they DO have a point is when religious zeal overshadows one's sense of fallibility. A nobel prize winner for a scientific discipline SHOULD be a fallibilist IMO, and especially so if the science is Economics(!). But a sincere fallibilist would never be capable of generating the heat of certainty that would power the kind of bluster Krugman emits here (Deniers, traitors and other assorted codswallop). It's about being able to disagree with people without demonising them. I can't see what's so difficult about that. Looks like Nobel prize winner is fast becoming a devalued currency. What he was so angry about in that column, of course, is not that some people say global warming isn't a threat, but that so many of them are appallingly ignorant and even irrational--and there are quite a few of those in Congress who are voting against climate change legislation. (For many of them, it's not even a scientific or economic issue, it's just a political issue. Democrats want the bill, so they'll vote against it. Of course, there are some ignorant Democrats too.) Neither side of this debate has a monopoly on ignorance and irrationality. That's for sure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] 1970 Rishikesh TTC Photo
Just a reminder that we have a larger version of this photo in the files section: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/files/Photos/ Love will swallow you, eat you up completely, until there is no `you,' only love. - Amma --- On Fri, 7/3/09, Rick Archer r...@searchsummit.com wrote: From: Rick Archer r...@searchsummit.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] 1970 Rishikesh TTC Photo To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, July 3, 2009, 1:35 PM http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/photos/album/270820106/pic/1557983749/view A filmmaker emailed me from Germany wanting to identify the people circled in the photo at the above link. If you think you might know, email me and I'll send you a higher resolution version.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes for Lies Blog: Dr. Timothy Stryker
http://www.bostoncriminalattorneyblog.com/2009/04/massachusetts_murder_suspect_c.html Love will swallow you, eat you up completely, until there is no `you,' only love. - Amma --- On Fri, 7/3/09, gullible fool ffl...@yahoo.com wrote: From: gullible fool ffl...@yahoo.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Eyes for Lies Blog: Dr. Timothy Stryker To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, July 3, 2009, 3:19 PM http://www.wickedlocal.com/winchester/homepage/x38164239/Stryker-pleads-guilty-to-perjury-conspiracy-connected-to-1993-unsolved-murder-sentenced-to-four-years --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: Sihdi: http://www.eyesforlies.blogspot.com/2008/10/dr-timothy-stryker.html To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
[FairfieldLife] MMY Mistake?
From a friend: I think the big shit mistake MMY ever made, is this misinterpretation, In the vicinity of the yog all conflicting tendencies disappear to create an unified state of harmony. Yog means a highly enlightened sage with unity consciousness. It's not a half-baked pundit hopping around on his butt How could they make such a stupid mistake.?? My Comment: Good point. I think MMY felt that although the individual hoppers weren't that enlightened, collectively they had a influence. Want me to post this as from a friend?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Former Marxists are laughing at Obamanomics
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard M compost...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip I don't know if Krugman's religious, but Judaism is *very* big on stewardship as part of *Tikkun Olam*, repairing the world: God showed Adam all the trees in the Garden of Eden and said: `See how beautiful and perfect are my works! All that I created, for you I have created. Do not abuse or destroy my world. For if you do, there is no one to repair it after you' (Ecclesiastes Rabbah 7:28). Tikkun Olam is a cultural imperative even for many secular Jews. If one (Jewish or otherwise, religious or otherwise) takes stewardship seriously, and one is convinced global warming is a genuine crisis, then a form of treason [in the sense of betrayal of a trust] against the planet isn't all that intemperate as a characterization of the deniers. It's an interesting and perhaps revealing 'take'. But Krugsman's source of kudos is supposed to be as a representative of the rationalist, scientific wing of human thought. His Nobel prize wasn't awarded for services to religion. Er, did you see where I said above, Tikkun Olam is a cultral imperative even for many secular Jews? Far as I know, he's secular; I've never seen him say anything about religion. I'm just pointing out that stewardship is part of his heritage. snip A nobel prize winner for a scientific discipline SHOULD be a fallibilist IMO, and especially so if the science is Economics(!). But a sincere fallibilist would never be capable of generating the heat of certainty that would power the kind of bluster Krugman emits here (Deniers, traitors and other assorted codswallop). It's about being able to disagree with people without demonising them. I can't see what's so difficult about that. We're going to have to agree to disagree on this point. From my perspective, the likelihood of global warming is as about as close as we get to certainty about things that may happen in the future. Given the magnitude of the threat if global warming is a reality, taking the risk that, well, maybe we're wrong about it, so let's just do nothing and see what happens, strikes me as treasonous *even if we do turn out to be wrong*.
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Mistake?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: From a friend: I think the big shit mistake MMY ever made, is this misinterpretation, In the vicinity of the yog all conflicting tendencies disappear to create an unified state of harmony. Yog means a highly enlightened sage with unity consciousness. It's not a half-baked pundit hopping around on his butt How could they make such a stupid mistake.?? My Comment: Good point. I think MMY felt that although the individual hoppers weren't that enlightened, collectively they had a influence. Want me to post this as from a friend? Contrar' my friend, MMY contended that the Siddhas were actually functioning from the home of all the laws of nature, obviously these folks reached CC and beyond in the mere 5 to 8 years MMY suggested, come on!! I personally transcended to pure consciousness (unmanifest Brahman) the very first time I meditated, (or least that's what they told me)!! With all of the advanced programs I've been on and the Amrit Kalash ALONE, I now feel at Unity or beyondbeyond Ananda that is, hey remember Swami Beyondananda? :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Former Marxists are laughing at Obamanomics
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard M compost...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ [snip] It's a bit shrill, but he's a passionate guy (and much better informed than most). Then again, we have Shemp accusing those who support the fight against global warming of being mass murderers. I can't recall having seen you object to that. Fair cop. Schemp, you are a very bad man (if you said that). [snip] I said it and I meant it. Promoters of global warming have already killed 10s of thousands most likely and their policies will continue to kill...and they don't give a shit.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Xcellent article on cancer
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ffl...@... wrote: I believe some of this info is very valuable, particularly since many alternative medical professionals believe sugar and oxygen deprivation are important factors in this disease, however this kind of info would never be put out by a US hospital: http://www.hopkinskimmelcancercenter.org/index.cfm/cID/1684/mpage/item.cfm/itemID/1016 This is a hoax: http://www.snopes.com/medical/disease/cancerupdate.asp
[FairfieldLife] Re: Remember this chart next time Lou channels the Pleiadeans :-)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: This funny chart shows (given the time the signals take to get there) what various Space Brothers are actually *watching* when they monitor Earth TV broadcasts. For example, in the next-to-last ring of the chart (70 light years away), the aliens are seeing early television images of World War II. Now think of Lou's claims that the Pleiadeans are monitoring the Earth and talking to him real-time. The Pleiades are 440 light years away. For them, the latest News Flash from planet Earth is that Queen Elizabeth I just exonerated Mary Queen of Scots from charges of treason. :-) http://abstrusegoose.com/163 http://abstrusegoose.com/163 [electromagnetic_leak] \ Of you: What is in eye? Twinkle What is in cheek? Tongue What is in stomach? Sweet laughter Thanks this was pretty funny...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Xcellent article on cancer
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fflmod@ wrote: I believe some of this info is very valuable, particularly since many alternative medical professionals believe sugar and oxygen deprivation are important factors in this disease, however this kind of info would never be put out by a US hospital: http://www.hopkinskimmelcancercenter.org/index.cfm/cID/1684/mpage/item.cfm/itemID/1016 This is a hoax: http://www.snopes.com/medical/disease/cancerupdate.asp That is what the article from the Johns Hopkins website that I linked in the post you are replying to said. If you are not going to read my links, why should I read your links? :)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's master brings a boy back to life
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: do.rflex wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Vaj wrote: On Jul 2, 2009, at 11:21 PM, sgrayatlarge wrote: Well in my opinion I would have to say that death is a permanent cessation of all vital functions, basically the end of life. I'm pretty much conventional about your basic run of the mill maeaning of death. For instance in my opinion,Michael Jackson is dead. I'm sure many here would disagree with my opinion, but I'm holding to fast to this. Consider this: one of the possible explanations given by Christian theologians for the resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth is the so- called swoon theory. IOW, he wasn't dead and simply later revived a couple days later. Occam's razor would have us take a more reasonable answer, like this kid was merely passed out for whatever reason. Traditional Hindus are often extraordinarily superstitious people, they go the opposite direction from commonsense answers. Also, wasn't this bio written by the McRishi's uncle? How reliable of a person was he? It seems clear he was a TB in Sw. Brahmananda, et al-- not exactly a reliable witness most likely. Bringing a dead body to life would be a variation on one of the tantric siddhis or tests that takes place in the cremation ground. There the tantric sits on the dead body and through transmitting shakti brings it to life. Of course I've never done this but know people who claim to. But supposedly the body comes to life but also often tries to strangle the person sitting on it at which time there is a technique to put it back to its dead state. It isn't necessary a large jump to think that shakti might be able to bring a dead person (or animal) back to life but I would expect that with some much dead tissue they would probably react mindlessly like a zombie and hence why they might appear to strangle the tantric. It would be a test to show that one has achieved an ability to transmit an immense amount of shakti. I would also think that the boy would have been more like a zombie and not worth it to the parents to be in that state of life. I can't imagine that state of animation to last long either (another good reason to skip town). One of my Indian astrology teachers referred to this as a trick but didn't elaborate on how it was a trick or how it was performed. Your description sounds like a half-assed failure by an irresponsible, inept huckster who really DOES have a serious lack of complete development. I truly doubt that Guru Dev's master was such an incompetent dolt. If he did restore the boy to life, I'm sure he restored him to his normal state. I'm really amazed at some of the people here, especially those who claim such extensive learning in these areas, who can't seem to accept that such things can indeed be done properly by fully developed God-realized beings. It's as if you don't have a remote clue who and what God is, or of the potential implications of -genuine- spiritual union with God. And you certainly completely miss the concept of The Whole Thing The Real Thing. I think, for the most part on this forum, that view is a reflection of the standard TMO line that appeals to even hardcore atheists, that contact with the attributeless Absolute -alone- is sufficient for complete spiritual development. Paramatma [God] is either completely left out of the picture, or is relegated to the status of unimportant superstitious hokum for the ignorant. I don't believe in super-heroes. I do believe in accomplished yogis but am simply expressing logical limits to what may be accomplished within the realm of physics used in the process. I have transmitted shakti and seen the results and heard the results from the recipients. It is a real thing and as I've said here before totally possible for most long term meditators here to do it as well. It is (to overuse a term oft used here) a simple technique. We know from medical anecdotes of people who presumed dead were revived but most likely not people who have been dead for more than a few hours at certainly not days. Too much deterioration would set in. The science of transmitting shakti to a dead person would be similar to applying electricity except that shakti is a more compatible energy and of course something that science has yet to delve into. Keep in mind that Indians also have a bad habit of exaggerating and that if the tantric master actually revived the boy may have done so actually within minutes of his death but the story got out of hand over the years. Also keep in mind that someone using CPR in a remote village these days might also be taken as miracle worker. I'll check with my
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's master brings a boy back to life
do.rflex wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: Vaj wrote: On Jul 2, 2009, at 11:21 PM, sgrayatlarge wrote: Well in my opinion I would have to say that death is a permanent cessation of all vital functions, basically the end of life. I'm pretty much conventional about your basic run of the mill maeaning of death. For instance in my opinion,Michael Jackson is dead. I'm sure many here would disagree with my opinion, but I'm holding to fast to this. Consider this: one of the possible explanations given by Christian theologians for the resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth is the so- called swoon theory. IOW, he wasn't dead and simply later revived a couple days later. Occam's razor would have us take a more reasonable answer, like this kid was merely passed out for whatever reason. Traditional Hindus are often extraordinarily superstitious people, they go the opposite direction from commonsense answers. Also, wasn't this bio written by the McRishi's uncle? How reliable of a person was he? It seems clear he was a TB in Sw. Brahmananda, et al-- not exactly a reliable witness most likely. Bringing a dead body to life would be a variation on one of the tantric siddhis or tests that takes place in the cremation ground. There the tantric sits on the dead body and through transmitting shakti brings it to life. Of course I've never done this but know people who claim to. But supposedly the body comes to life but also often tries to strangle the person sitting on it at which time there is a technique to put it back to its dead state. It isn't necessary a large jump to think that shakti might be able to bring a dead person (or animal) back to life but I would expect that with some much dead tissue they would probably react mindlessly like a zombie and hence why they might appear to strangle the tantric. It would be a test to show that one has achieved an ability to transmit an immense amount of shakti. I would also think that the boy would have been more like a zombie and not worth it to the parents to be in that state of life. I can't imagine that state of animation to last long either (another good reason to skip town). One of my Indian astrology teachers referred to this as a trick but didn't elaborate on how it was a trick or how it was performed. Your description sounds like a half-assed failure by an irresponsible, inept huckster who really DOES have a serious lack of complete development. I truly doubt that Guru Dev's master was such an incompetent dolt. If he did restore the boy to life, I'm sure he restored him to his normal state. I'm really amazed at some of the people here, especially those who claim such extensive learning in these areas, who can't seem to accept that such things can indeed be done properly by fully developed God-realized beings. It's as if you don't have a remote clue who and what God is, or of the potential implications of -genuine- spiritual union with God. And you certainly completely miss the concept of The Whole Thing The Real Thing. I think, for the most part on this forum, that view is a reflection of the standard TMO line that appeals to even hardcore atheists, that contact with the attributeless Absolute -alone- is sufficient for complete spiritual development. Paramatma [God] is either completely left out of the picture, or is relegated to the status of unimportant superstitious hokum for the ignorant. I don't believe in super-heroes. I do believe in accomplished yogis but am simply expressing logical limits to what may be accomplished within the realm of physics used in the process. I have transmitted shakti and seen the results and heard the results from the recipients. It is a real thing and as I've said here before totally possible for most long term meditators here to do it as well. It is (to overuse a term oft used here) a simple technique. We know from medical anecdotes of people who presumed dead were revived but most likely not people who have been dead for more than a few hours at certainly not days. Too much deterioration would set in. The science of transmitting shakti to a dead person would be similar to applying electricity except that shakti is a more compatible energy and of course something that science has yet to delve into. Keep in mind that Indians also have a bad habit of exaggerating and that if the tantric master actually revived the boy may have done so actually within minutes of his death but the story got out of hand over the years. Also keep in mind that someone using CPR in a remote village these days might also be taken as miracle worker. I'll check with my teacher first but I might try the experiment with a dead insect (obviously not one that will sting or byte me). ;-)
[FairfieldLife] Pundits in India
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[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Mistake?
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mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer r...@... wrote:
From a friend:
I think the big shit mistake MMY ever made, is this
misinterpretation,
In the vicinity of the yog all conflicting tendencies
disappear
to create an unified state of harmony.
Yog means a highly enlightened sage with unity
consciousness.
Huh? How so?
yoga m. (1. %{yuj} ; ifc. f. %{A}) the act of yoking , joining ,
attaching , harnessing , putting to (of horses) RV. MBh. ; a yoke , team
, vehicle , conveyance S3Br. Kaus3. MBh. ; employment , use ,
application , performance RV. c. c. ; equipping or arraying (of an
army) MBh. ; fixing (of an arrow on the bow-string) ib. ; putting on (of
armour) L. ; a remedy , cure Sus3r. ; a means , expedient , device , way
, manner , method MBh. Ka1v. c. ; a supernatural means , charm ,
incantation , magical art ib. ; a trick , stratagem , fraud , deceit Mn.
Katha1s. (cf. %{yoga-nanda}) ; undertaking , business , work RV. AV. TS.
; acquisition , gain , profit , wealth , property ib. Kaus3. MBh. ;
occasion , opportunity Ka1m. Ma1rkP. ; any junction , union ,
combination , contact with (instr. with or without %{saha} , or comp.).
MBh. Ka1v. c. (%{yogam} %{i} , to agree , consent , acquiesce in
anything R.) ; mixing of various materials , mixture MBh. R. VarBr2S. ;
partaking of , possessing (instr. or comp.) Mn. R. Hariv. ; connection ,
relation (%{yogAt} , %{yogena} and %{yoga-tas} ifc. in consequence of ,
on account of , by reason of , according to , through) Ka1tyS3r.
S3vetUp. Mn. c. ; putting together , arrangement , disposition ,
regular succession Ka1t2h. [856,3] S3rS. ; fitting together , fitness ,
propriety , suitability (%{yogena} and %{yoga-tas} ind. suitably , fitly
, duly , in the right manner) MBh. Ka1v. c. ; exertion , endeavour ,
zeal , diligence , industry , care , attention (%{yoga-tas} ind.
strenuously , assiduously } , with all one's powers , with overflowing
zeal) Mn. MBh. c. ; application or concentration of the thoughts ,
abstract contemplation , meditation , (esp.) self-concentration ,
abstract meditation and mental abstraction practised as a system (as
taught by Patan5jali and called the Yoga philosophy ; it is the second
of the two Sa1m2khya systems , its chief aim being to teach the means by
which the human spirit may attain complete union with I7s3vara or the
Supreme Spirit ; in the practice of self-concentration it is closely
connected with Buddhism) Up. MBh. Ka1v. c. (IW. 92) ; any simple act or
rite conducive to Yoga or abstract meditation Sarvad. ; Yoga personified
(as the son of Dharma and Kriya1) BhP. ; a follower of the Yoga system
MBh. S3am2k. ; (in Sa1m2khya) the union of soul with matter (one of the
10 Mu1lika7rtha1s or radical facts) Tattvas. ; (with Pa1s3upatas) the
union of the individual soul with the universal soul Kula7rn2. ; (with
Pa1n5cara1tras) devotion , pious seeking after God Sarvad. ; (with
Jainas) contact or mixing with the outer world ib. ; (in astron.)
conjunction , lucky conjuncture La1t2y. VarBr2S. MBh. c. ; a
constellation , asterism (these , with the moon , are called
%{cAndra-yogAH} and are 13 in number ; without the moon they are called
%{kha-yogAH} , or %{nAbhasa-yogAH}) VarBr2S. ; the leading or principal
star of a lunar asterism W. ; N. of a variable division of time (during
which the joint motion in longitude of the sun and moon amounts to 13
degrees 20 minutes ; there are 27 such Yogas beginning with Vishkambha
and ending with Vaidhr2iti) ib. ; (in arithm.) addition , sum , total
Su1ryas. MBh. ; (in gram.) the connection of words together ,
syntactical dependence of a word , construction Nir. Sus3r. (ifc. =
dependent on , ruled by Pa1n2. 2-2 , 8 Va1rtt. 1) ; a combined or
concentrated grammatical rule or aphorism Pa1n2. Sch. Siddh. (cf.
%{yoga-vibhAga}) ; the connection of a word with its root , original or
etymological meaning (as opp. to %{rUDhi} q.v.) Nir. Prata1p. Ka1tyS3r.
Sch. ; a violator of confidence , spy L. ; N. of a Sch. on the
Parama7rthasa1ra ; (%{A}) f. N. of a S3akti Pan5car. ; of Pi1vari1
(daughter of the Pitr2is called Barhishads) Hariv.
OffWorld
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's master brings a boy back to life
do.rflex wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: do.rflex wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Vaj wrote: On Jul 2, 2009, at 11:21 PM, sgrayatlarge wrote: Well in my opinion I would have to say that death is a permanent cessation of all vital functions, basically the end of life. I'm pretty much conventional about your basic run of the mill maeaning of death. For instance in my opinion,Michael Jackson is dead. I'm sure many here would disagree with my opinion, but I'm holding to fast to this. Consider this: one of the possible explanations given by Christian theologians for the resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth is the so- called swoon theory. IOW, he wasn't dead and simply later revived a couple days later. Occam's razor would have us take a more reasonable answer, like this kid was merely passed out for whatever reason. Traditional Hindus are often extraordinarily superstitious people, they go the opposite direction from commonsense answers. Also, wasn't this bio written by the McRishi's uncle? How reliable of a person was he? It seems clear he was a TB in Sw. Brahmananda, et al-- not exactly a reliable witness most likely. Bringing a dead body to life would be a variation on one of the tantric siddhis or tests that takes place in the cremation ground. There the tantric sits on the dead body and through transmitting shakti brings it to life. Of course I've never done this but know people who claim to. But supposedly the body comes to life but also often tries to strangle the person sitting on it at which time there is a technique to put it back to its dead state. It isn't necessary a large jump to think that shakti might be able to bring a dead person (or animal) back to life but I would expect that with some much dead tissue they would probably react mindlessly like a zombie and hence why they might appear to strangle the tantric. It would be a test to show that one has achieved an ability to transmit an immense amount of shakti. I would also think that the boy would have been more like a zombie and not worth it to the parents to be in that state of life. I can't imagine that state of animation to last long either (another good reason to skip town). One of my Indian astrology teachers referred to this as a trick but didn't elaborate on how it was a trick or how it was performed. Your description sounds like a half-assed failure by an irresponsible, inept huckster who really DOES have a serious lack of complete development. I truly doubt that Guru Dev's master was such an incompetent dolt. If he did restore the boy to life, I'm sure he restored him to his normal state. I'm really amazed at some of the people here, especially those who claim such extensive learning in these areas, who can't seem to accept that such things can indeed be done properly by fully developed God-realized beings. It's as if you don't have a remote clue who and what God is, or of the potential implications of -genuine- spiritual union with God. And you certainly completely miss the concept of The Whole Thing The Real Thing. I think, for the most part on this forum, that view is a reflection of the standard TMO line that appeals to even hardcore atheists, that contact with the attributeless Absolute -alone- is sufficient for complete spiritual development. Paramatma [God] is either completely left out of the picture, or is relegated to the status of unimportant superstitious hokum for the ignorant. I don't believe in super-heroes. I do believe in accomplished yogis but am simply expressing logical limits to what may be accomplished within the realm of physics used in the process. I have transmitted shakti and seen the results and heard the results from the recipients. It is a real thing and as I've said here before totally possible for most long term meditators here to do it as well. It is (to overuse a term oft used here) a simple technique. We know from medical anecdotes of people who presumed dead were revived but most likely not people who have been dead for more than a few hours at certainly not days. Too much deterioration would set in. The science of transmitting shakti to a dead person would be similar to applying electricity except that shakti is a more compatible energy and of course something that science has yet to delve into. Keep in mind that Indians also have a bad habit of exaggerating and that if the tantric master actually revived the boy may have done so actually within minutes of his death but the story got out of hand over the years. Also keep in mind that someone using CPR in a remote village these days might also be taken as miracle worker.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Mistake?
You personally can not transcend to anything. Your choice of words plus your obsession with your dick makes me question your spiritual experiences. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 3, 2009, at 4:20 PM, BillyG. wg...@yahoo.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: From a friend: I think the big shit mistake MMY ever made, is this misinterpretation, In the vicinity of the yog all conflicting tendencies disappear to create an unified state of harmony. Yog means a highly enlightened sage with unity consciousness. It's not a half-baked pundit hopping around on his butt How could they make such a stupid mistake.?? My Comment: Good point. I think MMY felt that although the individual hoppers weren't that enlightened, collectively they had a influence. Want me to post this as from a friend? Contrar' my friend, MMY contended that the Siddhas were actually functioning from the home of all the laws of nature, obviously these folks reached CC and beyond in the mere 5 to 8 years MMY suggested, come on!! I personally transcended to pure consciousness (unmanifest Brahman) the very first time I meditated, (or least that's what they told me)!! With all of the advanced programs I've been on and the Amrit Kalash ALONE, I now feel at Unity or beyondbeyond Ananda that is, hey remember Swami Beyondananda? :-) To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Mistake?
Hey Off, that paste really cleared things up!
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 3, 2009, at 5:45 PM, off_world_beings no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote:
From a friend:
I think the big shit mistake MMY ever made, is this
misinterpretation,
In the vicinity of the yog all conflicting tendencies disappear
to create an unified state of harmony.
Yog means a highly enlightened sage with unity consciousness.
Huh? How so?
yoga m. (1. %{yuj} ; ifc. f. %{A}) the act of yoking , joining , attaching ,
harnessing , putting to (of horses) RV. MBh. ; a yoke , team , vehicle ,
conveyance S3Br. Kaus3. MBh. ; employment , use , application , performance RV.
c. c. ; equipping or arraying (of an army) MBh. ; fixing (of an arrow on the
bow-string) ib. ; putting on (of armour) L. ; a remedy , cure Sus3r. ; a means
, expedient , device , way , manner , method MBh. Ka1v. c. ; a supernatural
means , charm , incantation , magical art ib. ; a trick , stratagem , fraud ,
deceit Mn. Katha1s. (cf. %{yoga-nanda}) ; undertaking , business , work RV. AV.
TS. ; acquisition , gain , profit , wealth , property ib. Kaus3. MBh. ;
occasion , opportunity Ka1m. Ma1rkP. ; any junction , union , combination ,
contact with (instr. with or without %{saha} , or comp.). MBh. Ka1v. c.
(%{yogam} %{i} , to agree , consent , acquiesce in anything R.) ; mixing of
various materials , mixture MBh. R. VarBr2S. ;
partaking of , possessing (instr. or comp.) Mn. R. Hariv. ; connection ,
relation (%{yogAt} , %{yogena} and %{yoga-tas} ifc. in consequence of , on
account of , by reason of , according to , through) Ka1tyS3r. S3vetUp. Mn. c.
; putting together , arrangement , disposition , regular succession Ka1t2h.
[856,3] S3rS. ; fitting together , fitness , propriety , suitability (%{yogena}
and %{yoga-tas} ind. suitably , fitly , duly , in the right manner) MBh. Ka1v.
c. ; exertion , endeavour , zeal , diligence , industry , care , attention
(%{yoga-tas} ind. strenuously , assiduously } , with all one's powers , with
overflowing zeal) Mn. MBh. c. ; application or concentration of the thoughts ,
abstract contemplation , meditation , (esp.) self-concentration , abstract
meditation and mental abstraction practised as a system (as taught by
Patan5jali and called the Yoga philosophy ; it is the second of the two
Sa1m2khya systems , its chief aim being to teach the
means by which the human spirit may attain complete union with I7s3vara or the
Supreme Spirit ; in the practice of self-concentration it is closely connected
with Buddhism) Up. MBh. Ka1v. c. (IW. 92) ; any simple act or rite conducive
to Yoga or abstract meditation Sarvad. ; Yoga personified (as the son of Dharma
and Kriya1) BhP. ; a follower of the Yoga system MBh. S3am2k. ; (in Sa1m2khya)
the union of soul with matter (one of the 10 Mu1lika7rtha1s or radical facts)
Tattvas. ; (with Pa1s3upatas) the union of the individual soul with the
universal soul Kula7rn2. ; (with Pa1n5cara1tras) devotion , pious seeking after
God Sarvad. ; (with Jainas) contact or mixing with the outer world ib. ; (in
astron.) conjunction , lucky conjuncture La1t2y. VarBr2S. MBh. c. ; a
constellation , asterism (these , with the moon , are called %{cAndra-yogAH}
and are 13 in number ; without the moon they are called %{kha-yogAH} , or
%{nAbhasa-yogAH}) VarBr2S. ; the leading or
principal star of a lunar asterism W. ; N. of a variable division of time
(during which the joint motion in longitude of the sun and moon amounts to 13
degrees 20 minutes ; there are 27 such Yogas beginning with Vishkambha and
ending with Vaidhr2iti) ib. ; (in arithm.) addition , sum , total Su1ryas. MBh.
; (in gram.) the connection of words together , syntactical dependence of a
word , construction Nir. Sus3r. (ifc. = dependent on , ruled by Pa1n2. 2-2 , 8
Va1rtt. 1) ; a combined or concentrated grammatical rule or aphorism Pa1n2.
Sch. Siddh. (cf. %{yoga-vibhAga}) ; the connection of a word with its root ,
original or etymological meaning (as opp. to %{rUDhi} q.v.) Nir. Prata1p.
Ka1tyS3r. Sch. ; a violator of confidence , spy L. ; N. of a Sch. on the
Parama7rthasa1ra ; (%{A}) f. N. of a S3akti Pan5car. ; of Pi1vari1 (daughter of
the Pitr2is called Barhishads) Hariv.
OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: Former Marxists are laughing at Obamanomics
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcg...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard M compost1uk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ [snip] It's a bit shrill, but he's a passionate guy (and much better informed than most). Then again, we have Shemp accusing those who support the fight against global warming of being mass murderers. I can't recall having seen you object to that. Fair cop. Schemp, you are a very bad man (if you said that). [snip] I said it and I meant it. Promoters of global warming have already killed 10s of thousands most likely and their policies will continue to kill...and they don't give a shit. I think I understand the point you have in mind - but using the term 'murder' is not right! Simply false. It's also counter-productive to the cause IMO. (Reminds me of one of Vaj's MMY-has-blood-on-his- hands excesses). I agree though that the unintended consequences of alarmism might well cause much suffering. The precautionary principle is often wheeled out by alarmists as though it is a no-cost, no-downside option.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Remember this chart next time Lou channels the Pleiadeans :-)
Sorry, folks, as funny as it is to think that aliens might be seeing I Love Lucy and getting koo-koo notions about Earthlings, it's a conclusion that is superficial both scientifically speaking and spiritually speaking. Scientifically: if an advanced civilization's instrumentation has sufficient resolving power, even the resolving power of the beginner's ability of our present earthly technology, it would be possible to conclude a vast amount of truth about our planet and humanity if another civilization was a recipient of the I Love Lucy radiation. Tons more info than just the TV signal's message. We can tell if hydro-carbons and other chemicals are in the spectra of planets that are not a mere 50 light years' distance from Earth, but from TENS OF THOUSANDS OF LIGHT YEARS. Right now, we are already almost able to find indivual planets outside our galaxy MILLIONS of light years away. We can tell if a planet has life from that amazing distance even with our kiddie technology. Therefore, think about it: how much more advanced than us would it take to, well, know about Earthlings from across the entire universe? Not much better than we have right now is the answer. At a mere 50 light years out, with our present technology, we could tell tons about a planet's chemical activities, whether it has liquid water, how long it's existed, etc. For instance, the very existence of a single frame of television broadcast from us would immediately tell anyone of our level of technological skills in many other areas -- you can't invent TV without having the scientific grasp of physics that would enable all sorts of other technologies. They might only see Rickie getting a pie in the face from Lucy, but they'll be able to see a vast array of things that must accompany the ability to send an image that far that will be deeply revealing about us. So, nope. Seeing I Love Lucy will be a mere triviality to any observer out there compared to what they've already known about us for quite some time. And by the way, any nearby civilization -- even one far less advanced than our own -- would have been discovered by us by now because we have that ability to see that well that far away. So, probably there is no one listening that close in. Even given the huge numbers of planets and huge number of stars, and given that life is almost certain on MILLIONS OF PLANETS, the mathematical chance that they'd be near us is remote. On average, we can only expect our nearest alien civilization to be about 300 light years from us on average. But, at 300 light years out, if our present technology was brought to bear on such a distant civilization, we would not have gotten any TV signals from them yet if they'd only invented TV 250 years ago, but we could tell that they were up and coming and were advanced enough such that they should be able to invent TV soonish. In other words, by the time I Love Lucy reaches any entity out there, we'd already have been studied for hundreds, even thousands, even millions of years -- our various signatures would have outed us -- not I Love Lucy. Any day now, I expect astronomers to detect chemicals that can only be from life processes on some distant planet. We're already that good at sleuthing. If we see certain chemicals, it'll be as bombastic as, say, getting a clear picture of a Burma Shave sign. Just a faint signature could have every scientist on the planet to drop everything they're doing to study such a signaturewe don't need the Burma Shave sign, see? Spiritually speaking, now here's an issue that is rarely considered by the scientists: that sufficiently advanced civilizations are going to be gods by every measurement we can apply to them. In less than a hundred years, we Earthlings can expect that we have machinery that works by taking directions from a human mind. Only a hundred years, see? Once you get such an ability, then the god Apollo in Star Trek episode can be a common thing. Only a hundred years from now, any of us would think that the ordinary Earthling of that near future is, at least somewhat godlike. So, think about it: there were planets with life on them BILLIONS OF YEARS AGO. How advanced will their technology be? Answer: it would make the Star Wars concepts of advanced seem barbaric. Thar be gods out thar I tells ya. So, anyone who gets the I Love Lucy signal from us can be expected to be, on average, a god. A god by any standard you want to apply. That's what modern astronomers are ignoring -- they just don't want to think about it, cuz, if that's true, then they are jokes and their work is not easily distinguished from mere alchemy, and we're, well, chimps digging termites out of holes with twigs and bragging about our tools! Nay, worst than that: we're as significant to an advance civilization as the plots, plans and ploys of microbes are to us. Astronomers have the same problem that Hollywood
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Kripal effect?
I was wondering about exactly this. Thanks for posting. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wg...@... wrote: It turns out that almost everybody has the inherent ability to see inner light and hear inner sound. Moreover, almost everybody has the capacity to have an out-of-body experience and behold wondrous inner visions. You don't need to go to an Indian guru to have such experiences indeed, you don't need to go anywhere at all. But that's not what Kirpal Singh and his successors told their vast following. Instead, unsuspecting seekers(who number in the thousands) were taught to believe that it was the guru himself, not the disciple, who was orchestrating the elevation of the soul into higher regions. But Kirpal and crew were not being completely forthcoming about the mechanism which governs access to such amazing sights and sounds. That mechanism is the brain and that three pounds of glorious tissue is the lot of all humans. See more.. http://www.ex-premie.org/papers/kirpal_statistic.htm
[FairfieldLife] Palin To Resign as Alaska Governor
SNAP ANALYSIS: Why is Sarah Palin resigning as Alaska governor? WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Sarah Palin, who surprised the U.S. political world last year by becoming Republican John McCain's vice presidential running mate, surprised again on Friday by announcing her resignation as Alaska's governor. Palin, a former small-town mayor who became governor in December 2006, has been touted as a potential candidate for the Republican presidential nomination in 2012. As McCain's Number Two, she ignited conservatives with her social views but turned off other voters who believed she was unprepared for the White House. Having maintained her popularity at home in Alaska, why would she quit now? There are several possibilities: * She frees herself from the constraints of daily governing so she can spend all her time pursuing national office. This would put her on a level playing field with potential Republican presidential primary opponents Mitt Romney, a former governor of Massachusetts, and Newt Gingrich, a former speaker of the U.S. House of Representatives. Another potential rival, Minnesota Governor Tim Pawlenty, also recently announced he would not seek re-election. Conversely, Palin's decision could diminish a selling point -- the fact that she has executive experience and knows how to run a state. * She can make some money. Leaving her job would allow Palin to take a job in the private sector or take advantage of her popularity to bring in cash as a public speaker, author or talk-show host, possibly still making a run for national office. * Palin could use the time to run for the U.S. Senate for Sen. Lisa Murkowski's seat in November 2010. Palin could use that job as a springboard for a presidential race. * Palin can add to her credentials as a maverick, something both she and McCain emphasized during the 2008 campaign. Palin said she wanted to put Alaska first. She could use her decision to step down as evidence that she would not seek higher office while governor and so do harm to her home state. * Palin may have grown tired of being a lightning rod for the American media and decided she wanted a break. The announcement was made late on a Friday before a U.S. holiday weekend -- an indication that she may have wanted to bury the news. * She fears a looming political problem, perhaps even a scandal, and wanted out of the limelight, before the news broke. If there is any evidence that the decision was a result of political problems or looming scandals, she is done, said Julian Zelizer, a Princeton University history professor. http://www.reuters.com/article/sarahPalin/idUSTRE5624VW20090703
[FairfieldLife] Re: Palin To Resign as Alaska Governor
...Since the Republican ticket lost the presidential election, Palin has remained front and center on the national stage -- whether fundraising for the GOP, garnering publicity about her personal life as an athletic and busy, working mother, or demanding an apology from late-night TV host David Letterman for off-color comments about one of her daughters. Palin has fought hard to maintain her image in the process, and today she said that effort has cost a significant amount of money. This political absurdity, the politics of personal destruction, Todd and I, we are looking at more than half a million dollars in legal bills, just in order to set the record straight, she said. My choice is to take a stand and effect change and not just hit our head against the wall and watch valuable state time and money, millions of your dollars, go down the drain, Palin said. Meantime, many people have an unfavorable opinion of the McCain's pick for vice president. According to a CNN poll last month, 46 percent expressed a favorable opinion of her overall and 43 percent expressed an unfavorable opinion. Shortly after the election, 52 percent surveyed in a Gallup poll said they'd prefer not to see Palin as a major political figure in the future, compared to 45 percent who would. I'm doing what's best for Alaska and I've explained why, she said. Full article here: http://www.abcnews.go.com/print?id=7996834 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: SNAP ANALYSIS: Why is Sarah Palin resigning as Alaska governor? WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Sarah Palin, who surprised the U.S. political world last year by becoming Republican John McCain's vice presidential running mate, surprised again on Friday by announcing her resignation as Alaska's governor. Palin, a former small-town mayor who became governor in December 2006, has been touted as a potential candidate for the Republican presidential nomination in 2012. As McCain's Number Two, she ignited conservatives with her social views but turned off other voters who believed she was unprepared for the White House. Having maintained her popularity at home in Alaska, why would she quit now? There are several possibilities: * She frees herself from the constraints of daily governing so she can spend all her time pursuing national office. This would put her on a level playing field with potential Republican presidential primary opponents Mitt Romney, a former governor of Massachusetts, and Newt Gingrich, a former speaker of the U.S. House of Representatives. Another potential rival, Minnesota Governor Tim Pawlenty, also recently announced he would not seek re-election. Conversely, Palin's decision could diminish a selling point -- the fact that she has executive experience and knows how to run a state. * She can make some money. Leaving her job would allow Palin to take a job in the private sector or take advantage of her popularity to bring in cash as a public speaker, author or talk-show host, possibly still making a run for national office. * Palin could use the time to run for the U.S. Senate for Sen. Lisa Murkowski's seat in November 2010. Palin could use that job as a springboard for a presidential race. * Palin can add to her credentials as a maverick, something both she and McCain emphasized during the 2008 campaign. Palin said she wanted to put Alaska first. She could use her decision to step down as evidence that she would not seek higher office while governor and so do harm to her home state. * Palin may have grown tired of being a lightning rod for the American media and decided she wanted a break. The announcement was made late on a Friday before a U.S. holiday weekend -- an indication that she may have wanted to bury the news. * She fears a looming political problem, perhaps even a scandal, and wanted out of the limelight, before the news broke. If there is any evidence that the decision was a result of political problems or looming scandals, she is done, said Julian Zelizer, a Princeton University history professor. http://www.reuters.com/article/sarahPalin/idUSTRE5624VW20090703
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Mistake?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter L Sutphen drpetersutp...@... wrote: You personally can not transcend to anything. Your choice of words plus your obsession with your dick makes me question your spiritual experiences. Sent from my iPhone Outside of your sexual innuendo, (and gratuitous display of disapproval) you actually make a legitimate point, the awareness doesn't 'go' anywhere it only expands and ideally expands consciously from limited consciousness to unlimited consciousnessbut then, you already know all of that I'm sure. PS. I guess you don't know satire when you hear it!
[FairfieldLife] Post Count
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[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL and the Contradictions of Relativism
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2001@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard M compost1uk@ wrote: Let's call the Turq docrine about opinion TD. TD seems to be something like Truth is relative to your point of view and there is no Truth (capital 'T'). Not at all. You are making the same reading error that the rest here are. I stated my position very clearly: I don't *think* that there is any such thing as absolute truth. But I am willing to be convinced otherwise. All you have to do is produce one. Just one. Would that mean that an observeable fact might not always be true? For example- we live for varying numbers of years and, then we don't. Has anyone seen it differently? Thanks for at least *trying* to produce an example of an absolute truth, Nelson. So far all the others who claim that such a thing exists have been afraid to even try. As it turns out, my challenge is an old and famous one, one that actually had an answer. It was proposed (at different times, obviously) by the Biblical King Solomon and by Abraham Lincoln, who challenged someone to produce a saying that would be true at all times and in all situations. The pro- posed answer to THAT challenge was, This too shall pass, which is essentially the same as your answer. Congratulations... you now officially have the wisdom of Solomon. I just found it interesting that those who were unwilling to even *try* to produce an example of an absolute truth were so willing to claim that me thinking that one was not likely was in itself a claim of absolute truth. Especially because I went out of my way to say that I was open to someone coming up with an example of one, and knew ahead of time the answer to the koan I was proposing. Perhaps the absolute truth we are search- ing for is, Those whose only joy in life is to play intellectual 'gotcha' games with one of their perceived 'enemies' will do anything to convince themselves that they've 'gotcha-d' him, even lying to themselves and others. Given FFL as an example, that seems to be even more absolute than This too shall pass. :-) [ For the record, however, would Solomon's answer actually *be* absolute, given the Vedic concept (which I do not agree with) of creations coming and going, and there being a time in between creations where there is no relative, only Absolute? If one believes that myth to be true, then even This too (in this case, the Absolute) shall pass is not true. ] This sounds like kidney stone syndrome and, I wonder if the absolute is subject to it.
[FairfieldLife] Colin Powell lecturing Barry Obama-ya gotta luv that!
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jul/03/powell-airs-doubts-on-obama-agenda/ Goes to show, more and more people are becoming concerned about Barry's extravagant plans for America..
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's master brings a boy back to life
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge no_re...@... wrote: - Some of us have seen glimpses of them at work- doesn't take too much to verify that they must be possible. - After 32 years, still waiting for verification snip,, Hoping something turns up soon. From my observation,I would say it is there but often goes unnoticed. good luck.
[FairfieldLife] Dali Disney short
A completed-in-1999, 6-minute short animation began by Salvador and Walt in 1946. An 18-second portion of the film, right near the end, was the only actual work done at that time. The rest was done from storyboards, sketches and the input from one of the chief animators whose job it was to work with Disney and Dali. As the hosting site suggests -- better see it quick before the Disney lawyers yank it from the net. http://snipurl.com/lqili [www_monstersandrockets_com] or, http://snipurl.com/lqili
[FairfieldLife] Another recommendation
Hibi no neiro, a wonderfully creative 4-minute short. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfBlUQguvyw or, http://snipurl.com/lqje3
[FairfieldLife] TurquoiseB is on his way to Portugal:
TurquoiseB is on his way to Portugal: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lmx5-a_ny00 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lmx5-a_ny00 OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Mistake?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Peter L Sutphen drpetersutp...@... wrote: Hey Off, that paste really cleared things up! Sent from my iPhone Hi Peter, perhaps its best you get a secretary instead. ...sent from my iSpaceship. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dali Disney short
In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Marek Reavis reavisma...@... wrote: A completed-in-1999, 6-minute short animation began by Salvador and Walt in 1946. An 18-second portion of the film, right near the end, was the only actual work done at that time. The rest was done from storyboards, sketches and the input from one of the chief animators whose job it was to work with Disney and Dali. As the hosting site suggests -- better see it quick before the Disney lawyers yank it from the net. http://snipurl.com/lqili http://snipurl.com/lqili [www_monstersandrockets_com] or, http://snipurl.com/lqili http://snipurl.com/lqili And, same page, it's about time somebody stood up for potato bugs!: http://www.monstersandrockets.com/2009/06/potato-bugs-are-not-evil.html http://www.monstersandrockets.com/2009/06/potato-bugs-are-not-evil.html\
[FairfieldLife] Ride a bike: die a horrible death
http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07/01/is-bicycling-bad-for-your-bones\ / http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07/01/is-bicycling-bad-for-your-bone\ s/
[FairfieldLife] Hot money doomed some banks
It's not just the subprime mess that did in banks: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/04/business/04brokered.html http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/04/business/04brokered.html
[FairfieldLife] March of the gay penguins
http://snipurl.com/lqr78 http://snipurl.com/lqr78 [www_thisislondon_co_uk] Werner Herzog has the right sensibility to explore this strange and fascinating continent and the nonconformist lot that work there -- available on DVD http://www.netflix.com/Movie/Encounters_at_the_End_of_the_World/70081088 http://www.netflix.com/Movie/Encounters_at_the_End_of_the_World/7008108\ 8
[FairfieldLife] Re: March of the gay penguins
-- (*pssht!*) (*pours tea*) Valerian chamomile for you-? Want some fresh mint in that? Nite nite night owl thanks for giving stuff for us peep at while we're still up - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_re...@... wrote: http://snipurl.com/lqr78 http://snipurl.com/lqr78 [www_thisislondon_co_uk] Werner Herzog has the right sensibility to explore this strange and fascinating continent and the nonconformist lot that work there -- available on DVD http://www.netflix.com/Movie/Encounters_at_the_End_of_the_World/70081088 http://www.netflix.com/Movie/Encounters_at_the_End_of_the_World/7008108\ 8
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's master brings a boy back to life
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge no_reply@ wrote: - Some of us have seen glimpses of them at work- doesn't take too much to verify that they must be possible. - After 32 years, still waiting for verification Hoping something turns up soon. From my observation,I would say it is there but often goes unnoticed. Either that, or there is no verification possible because nothing is happening or will ever happen, and the seeker is wasting his life waiting for it to happen. good luck. Indeed. FWIW, the energy signature of what Maharishi called the sidhis has nothing whatsoever to do with the energy signature of actual siddhis being performed in my experience. Not even apples and oranges...more like apples (real siddhis) and Tinkertoys. No relation whatsoever. I am not the only person who noticed this. There were at least three dozen former TM sidhas in Rama's study, and we'd often discuss the difference. All felt the same way. One phenomenon involved the mental repetition of some English-language phrases from a $3.95 paperback translation of the Yoga Sutras and the other involved no mantras, no phrases, and no techniques, only the ability to actually manifest the phenomena in question. And the interesting thing is that the latter could be taught to others without words, without the use of mantras or phrases, and without the need for techniques, using only transmission. YMMV. But unless you have actually experienced siddhis being manifested externally (so that others could witness them, not internally, which can be nothing more than moodmaking), your mileage has no basis for comparison. Mine and the mileage of the 30-40 former TM sidhas does. If you disagree, find and post a quote from someone who represents a legitimate spiritual tradition other than the TM movement who believes that what Maharishi sold as the sidhis have any relationship to actual siddhis, or what Patanjali was writing about. I'd be interested in seeing such a quote, and don't remember ever having seen one. don't know that such quotes do not exist, but I suspect that they do not. And if they don't, then it seems to me that those who believe that TM sidhis are really siddhis are basing their entire view of the subject on one word -- Maharishisez. Is that enough to constitute truth in your view? It's OK if it is, blind faith being unchallengable and all that, but wouldn't it be more honest to admit that faith in Maharishisez is your only reason for believing that the TM sidhis are what they were sold as being?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's master brings a boy back to life
---(*pssshhht!*) Here's your cup of tea- I made a pot; valerianchamomile fresh mint outside the door if you want a snip In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2001@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge no_reply@ wrote: - Some of us have seen glimpses of them at work- doesn't take too much to verify that they must be possible. - After 32 years, still waiting for verification Hoping something turns up soon. From my observation,I would say it is there but often goes unnoticed. Either that, or there is no verification possible because nothing is happening or will ever happen, and the seeker is wasting his life waiting for it to happen. good luck. Indeed. FWIW, the energy signature of what Maharishi called the sidhis has nothing whatsoever to do with the energy signature of actual siddhis being performed in my experience. Not even apples and oranges...more like apples (real siddhis) and Tinkertoys. No relation whatsoever. I am not the only person who noticed this. There were at least three dozen former TM sidhas in Rama's study, and we'd often discuss the difference. All felt the same way. One phenomenon involved the mental repetition of some English-language phrases from a $3.95 paperback translation of the Yoga Sutras and the other involved no mantras, no phrases, and no techniques, only the ability to actually manifest the phenomena in question. And the interesting thing is that the latter could be taught to others without words, without the use of mantras or phrases, and without the need for techniques, using only transmission. YMMV. But unless you have actually experienced siddhis being manifested externally (so that others could witness them, not internally, which can be nothing more than moodmaking), your mileage has no basis for comparison. Mine and the mileage of the 30-40 former TM sidhas does. If you disagree, find and post a quote from someone who represents a legitimate spiritual tradition other than the TM movement who believes that what Maharishi sold as the sidhis have any relationship to actual siddhis, or what Patanjali was writing about. I'd be interested in seeing such a quote, and don't remember ever having seen one. don't know that such quotes do not exist, but I suspect that they do not. And if they don't, then it seems to me that those who believe that TM sidhis are really siddhis are basing their entire view of the subject on one word -- Maharishisez. Is that enough to constitute truth in your view? It's OK if it is, blind faith being unchallengable and all that, but wouldn't it be more honest to admit that faith in Maharishisez is your only reason for believing that the TM sidhis are what they were sold as being?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dali Disney short
Excellent find, Marek. I wonder whether the folks at the Dali Museum in Figureras know about this and have it on display. I will ask when I'm there next. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis reavisma...@... wrote: A completed-in-1999, 6-minute short animation began by Salvador and Walt in 1946. An 18-second portion of the film, right near the end, was the only actual work done at that time. The rest was done from storyboards, sketches and the input from one of the chief animators whose job it was to work with Disney and Dali. As the hosting site suggests -- better see it quick before the Disney lawyers yank it from the net. http://www.monstersandrockets.com/2009/07/dali-and-disneys-destino-completed-sort.html or, http://snipurl.com/lqili
