[FairfieldLife] Re: Some like it Hot
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifux...@... wrote: http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0043/0043_01.asp Thanks for posting this. Yes, it and its author are arguably insane in a Christian fundamentalist way. What surprised me, not having read any of his comics in some time, is that there is actual *humor* in this one. Some of the lines cracked me right up. And yes, as I suspect you suspected, there is a connection between the works of Jack Chick and R.Crumb's new book The Book Of Genesis Illustrated. Robert, more than aware of his stature as pretty much the reigning God of comic book artists, is also keenly aware of other comic book artists and their work. Living next door to him for several years, I saw a steady stream of some of the most famous comic book authors and artists in the biz coming to visit. Jack Chick was never one of them, and would never have been, but Robert is aware of his work. He is, after all, arguably the most published comic book author in the world, even if he published and gave away or sold most of the 750 million copies of his work himself. For those who didn't click on yifuxero's link, or who don't know who Jack Chick is, I suggest that you read the strip at the URL he posted, and then check out his Wikipedia entry at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_T._Chick The similarity between Chick's work and Robert's new book is that they both take the Bible and illustrate it. The differences are profound. Jack Chick (as you can tell even in the strip at the URL above) feels free to change the storyline of the Bible and/or the words of Jesus and all the prophets to suit himself. He's an evangelist, one who doesn't really CARE if he's making shit up about the Bible as long as he converts one or two more sinners. Robert took the exact opposite approach. He took the literal text of Genesis and illustrated it literally, depicting *exactly* what was said. As we have seen by the reaction of some Christians and even by some Jargon Fascists here on FFL, that alone is enough to make his book controversial. Genesis is a work that contains barbarism, genocide, incest, murder, lying, and pretty much all of the other mortal sins, *all* presented as if they were Good Things and the Work Of God. And some have blamed Robert Crumb for perverting this work. All he did is what I have done the last few days by pointing out the *literal* plotline of the Gita and some of the other Vedic literature. A *lot* of people have invested heavily in reading into that literature and projecting their own metaphors onto it, to the point where they can no longer see the actual literal plotline of the stories they are attempting to glorify. All I did -- and all that Robert did in his book -- was to restore that original plotline. The story of Abraham and Issac is a story about a father willing to kill his own son because he believes that he talks to God. The story of Lot and his two daughters is a story of incest. Many of the other stories in Genesis are tales of genocide, with entire populations wiped out just for believing the wrong thing or not burning the right animals and offering them as sacrifices to the right gods. Jack Chick has to *change* the stories in the Bible in order to sell them and get people to believe in them. Robert Crumb illustrated them Just As They Are, and left them that way. They are *still* open to metaphor projection, in that those who revere the stories can still find ways to revere them, even when illustrated as they are, but for the first time they are *presented* as they are.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dark side of Mayan prophecy...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes...@... wrote: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/6391911/Balloon-boys-father-wanted-TV-fame-before-world-ends-in-2012.html I think we can expect a lot more stupidity about this 2012 thing. Please post all whacky stories here, it's fascinating to watch a belief system grow before your very eyes. Then we can study the cognitive dissonance when it turns out 22nd dec is just another day. Unless the world ends, then will my face be red! Great find, and great commentary. The 2012 hoax contains meat for any number of scholarly works similar to the famous book When Prophecy Fails. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails In that seminal work of sociologcial and religious psychology, the researchers followed the adventures and misadventures of a group of True Believers who had become convinced that the world was going to end on December 21, 1954, and that they would sur- vive because a flying saucer would come down and rescue them. As a result, they had left their jobs, dropped out of college, split from their spouses, and had given away money and possessions to prepare for their departure. The Big Day arrived, and nothing happened. The next day dawned as usual, and these True Believers were left having to deal with misplaced faith. The gist of the book is that they *didn't* deal with it. Instead, they made up *new* stories to account for the fact that their previous story had been a total crock of shit. I expect the same thing to happen with the 2012 hoax, but in MUCH larger numbers because the media will milk this hoax for all it's worth and get millions of people to invest in it. As you suggest, the balloon boy's father is just the tip of the iceberg. Expect many more nutcases in the coming three years, as more and more people sign on to this hoax and boost their own self-importance and egos by believing in it. BUT -- and even more fascinating from my POV -- just wait for the aftermath. The thing that will be more interesting from a sociological and religious history point of view will be how people deal with December 22, 2012 rolling around just like any other day. What will be the *new* myths and hoaxes they make up to account for this? How will they deal with the cog- nitive dissonance of having invested in something that was clearly make-believe? WILL they deal with it? I think that we can see from the number of people who still defend the ME and make excuses for why it isn't working as advertised that they WON'T deal with it. They'll just make up new delusions to replace the previous ones.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Because torture is so sexy
This is the sort of thing that Liberal Dude Nation would say is unimportant - that it has no effect on reality, these glamorized images of torture. Bullshit. The whole premise that TV and movies and records and pornography have no effect on reality is just preposterous. Humans are cultural animals. TV/movies/records/pornography are a means of cultural transmission, just like any other medium or form of communication. Nowadays, in fact, these are our primary means of cultural transmission. And everybody knows that. That's why people object to racist depictions or homophobia or even the absence of positive onscreen role models for minorities. Because all that's part of our cultural transmission, part of how we share and exchange and teach values and ideas. This knowledge mysteriously evaporates, however, when the subject is something dear to one's heart like pornography or violence or bimbotastic portrayals of women. Then, magically, the movies and porn are said to exist in some kind of otherworld vacuum: no cultural transmission, no values, no impact whatsoever on the humans consuming. It's fucking ludicrous. Octogalore replied, Violet, your 11:45 is a great insight. I haven't seen that argument come up in the various debates on this topic that misogynist images don't exist in a media-vacuum any more than racist or homophobic ones do. Actually, I have been making this same argument for years, and various formulations of it are scattered throughout the 29,365 comments that have been posted to this blog. But that's the problem: it's in the comments. I'm not sure I've ever stated it in a post. So here it is. An official communiqué from the Smoking Lounge. Octogalore also said, I can't help wondering what our friends at the big `feminist' websites would do with that one. It depends. I think most feminists would probably agree, as long as the subject is movies, TV, magazines, or music. If the subject is porn, though, then amazing things happen. For example, A Pro-Porn Feminist Blogger Who Shall Remain Nameless makes the argument that misogynist porn simply reflects a misogynist society. Create a better society, says she, and the porn will be better. But doesn't the misogynist porn also contribute to the misogynist society, one asks? No, she says; it only reflects. One-way mirror. Movies and TV and radio and magazines all influence our behavior and fill our heads with ideas, but pornography is magic. It only reflects. No influence at all. Magic all around. Official statement from the Smoking Lounge regarding the role of media (including pornography) in the cultural construction and maintenance of sexism and misogyny By Violet · Wednesday, October 21st, 2009 http://snipurl.com/snaon http://www.reclusiveleftist.com/2009/10/21/official-statement-from-the-smoking-lounge-regarding-the-role-of-media-including-pornography-in-the-cultural-construction-and-maintenance-of-sexism-and-misogyny/ --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: Thank God the music industry is doing its part to de-glamorize violence against women: [russianroulette_5151] That's the artwork for Rihanna's new single, Russian Roulette. MTV http://newsroom.mtv.com/2009/10/20/rihanna-russian-roulette-artwork/ is thrilled by what it calls the racy cover, featuring the pop singer's provocative barbed wire-wrapped torso. Racy. Provocative. You know what it reminds me of? Those crime scene photos of women who have been kidnapped and tortured to death, their breasts bitten by barbed wire, dead eyes open in an endless scream. Racy. Provocative. How fitting that Rihanna, of all people, should be the emissary for this latest hate-note from the patriarchy. Russian Roulette is the first track she's released since being beaten to a bloody pulp by Chris Brown, and people seem determined to find something empowerfuling about it. Rihanna is the heroine here, says the LA Times http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/music_blog/2009/10/rihanna-reveals-russ\ ian-roulette.html : So just pull the trigger, she tosses off in the cut's final moments, all swagger and confidence. Swagger, confidence .what? What the fuck? This isn't heroism or empowerment or any kind of rising above. It's just pornography. Rihanna is simply doing what women are told they are supposed to do in response to every situation: make it sexy. Victim of domestic violence? Make it sexy! Breast cancer http://www.reclusiveleftist.com/2009/10/10/the-pornification-of-breast-\ cancer/ ? Make it sexy! Shopping for http://stilettorevolt.com/2009/09/whats-sex-got-to-do-with-it/ a funeral casket http://stilettorevolt.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/italian-cofani-fun\ ebri.jpg ? Make it sexy! I want to move to another planet now. Because torture is so sexy http://www.reclusiveleftist.com/2009/10/20/because-torture-is-so-sexy/ By Violet
[FairfieldLife] Question for Hugo (hugheshugo)
I've been following your side of the Great FFL Physics Debates lately, and I've been impressed with your down-to-earth take on such things. But there is one thing I am not certain of, and rather than assume, I thought I'd ask. I get it that you are not convinced that there is a relationship between quantum physics and consciousness, but do you see a relationship betwween consciousness (thinking) and matter (the world of physical phenomena)? I'm not asking whether you believe that rela- tionship is fully explained by any existing theory; I think we agree that it is not. I'm just curious as to whether you think there is one. One of the aftereffects of plowing my way through the latest Dan Brown book and being inundated by lecture after lecture on the Noetic sciences and attempt after attempt to make me believe that thought can influence the world of matter is that I've found that I do, in fact, believe that it can. NOT in the same way that TMers and Newagers think it can, via Woo Woo Rays, but yes, I think there is some relationship. The exper- iments done by the Institute for Noetic Science may hint at demonstrations that such a relationship exists, but the *abuses* that they use when publicizing their findings tend to make people discount them in a similar way to the way that the TMO's co-option of guantum physics makes any theory of the relationship of quantum phenomena to consciousness *less* believable, not more so. But the one thing that tends to support my continuing belief that thought can influence matter is more everyday, and well documented, and not easily debunked. That is the placebo effect. If thought could not affect matter, the placebo effect could not exist. And there is concrete evidence that it does. Real physical diseases have been alleviated via the placebo effect. In fact, there is evidence that the effective- ness of the placebo effect is *growing*: http://www.wired.com/medtech/drugs/magazine/17-09/ff_placebo_effect?currentPage=all As this article points out, it is becoming more and more difficult for pharmaceutical manufact- urers to prove their drugs viable in tests because the control groups -- the people taking placebos -- are getting well at increasingly higher and higher rates, rivaling those of the groups taking the actual drugs. Makes one want to say WTF. The import of this article is that it really didn't matter whether Neo took the red pill or the blue pill; all that mattered is that he took a pill. Anyway, I'd love to hear your take on this, but only if you feel like it.
[FairfieldLife] Message View reply...just as a reminder...
Concerning a recent post viewed only in Yahoo Message View and never clicked on: Re: Because torture is so sexy ../../../message/232848 This is the sort of thing that Liberal Dude Nation would say is unimportant - that it has no effect on reality, these glamorized images of torture. Bullshit. ... I think it is useful to remember that the person making this post (which I assume that she didn't really write because frankly she doesn't have the chops to come up with her own rants, and only reposts the rants of others) is the person who has made by far the most torture fantasy posts on FFL. If I were to do a search, I'm pretty sure I could come up with dozens of posts in which Raunchy has fantasized about cutting men's balls off, cutting their dicks off, and torturing them in other ways unimaginable to most of us. The *detail* with which she constructs her torture fantasies of the things she wants to do to men on this forum shows clearly 1) that she's put a lot of thought into how she would torture men, and 2) that she feels there is nothing the least bit wrong with posting these detailed fantasies in public. It's OK in Raunchy's book when she does it, fantasizing about torturing men, but not OK when marketers use SM images with women in them to sell products. Welcome to Raunchydog World, where hypocrisy reigns almost as supreme as it does in Edg World.
[FairfieldLife] Sweden: the biggest medical scandal??
http://www.theflucase.com/index.php?option=com_contentview=articleid=1268%3Athey-got-sick-from-the-vaccine-in-swedencatid=1%3Alatest-newsItemid=64lang=en http://tinyurl.com/ygj6x4a Nurses got sick from the swine flu vaccine in Sweden ⢠UPDATE - 1 suspected death Last Updated on Wednesday, 21 October 2009 19:52 Wednesday, 21 October 2009 16:45 Yesterday 30 people had been reporting to the authorities in Sweden that they experienced such severe side effects that they felt the need to contact a hospital. Today the number is 140. The swedish newspaper Expressen is the only one in Sweden reporting on these cases and as usual this is most likely only the tip of a rather large iceberg. UPDATE: According to Dagens Nyheter, the number of reported side effects are now a few hours later 190. 1 person dies after the injection but no direct relation with the injection has been established. The biggest medical scandal in the history of Sweden has just started.
[FairfieldLife] The Old Cambridge TM Center
Cambridge TM The loss of shakti What became of the old Cambridge TM center? That nice building a few blocks within walking from Harvard Square and Harvard College? Is it still Transcendental Meditation movement property or was it cashed? Whose ensigns hang in it now? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 mainstream20...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@ wrote: (snip) Seeking benefits is stupid. Meditate and enjoy, that is Maharishi's advice. No need to seek, but it's good to be aware. When one become aware, that the 'Outside World' is delusionary, then one becomes a 'Seeker of the Spiritual Realm'... Until that happens, one will be 'Looking for Results'...in the 'Material World'... It is obvious that the students, which inhabit the campus, have nothing to do with the 'Original M.I.U. M.I.U. was started by a group of 'Spiritual Seekers' who in coordination with Maharishi, decided to start a school, which would integerate the knowledge of the 'West' with the Vedic knowledge of the 'East', with 'Like Minded People'...gathered together... This generation, has been so brain-washed by the 'International Corporate Take-over'... That it is hard for them, to imagine, anything, not related to the 'Corporate Material World of Illusion'... These students have a different intention, than the original students...that of spiritual seekers... These students are seeking the kind of material success that can be found at any various schools throughout the country... They are wasting time and resources, being in Fairfield, and should be expelled immediately... Don't expect Bevan Morris to come to the rescue, anytime soon, or later, either... He sucked all the energy from Maharishi, that he could, and chased away any fun, and free-spiritedness, that would have kept the 'Movement of Seeking' alive... Bevan contributed to the death of this college, and now that his work is done, he is off, who knows where? R.J.G. When an institution formerly based on Subjective Inner Experience has long-since abandoned its uniqueness through diversifying its product line by creating excessively high-profit-margin products marketed to every field of the Objective Outer world, are you surprised that the idealistic young might poke a stick into the eye of said institution ?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Some like it Hot
On Oct 22, 2009, at 3:44 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: Jack Chick has to *change* the stories in the Bible in order to sell them and get people to believe in them. I liked Chick's description of Jesus-as-creator. Apparently, through the use of Quantum Wormhole Technology, post-ascension Jesus was able to travel back through time, to just before the Big Bang and utter Yehi Aour!, Let there be light!, and then resume Savioric duties in the ever-present now. There are some people who are just meant to be covered in comic books.
[FairfieldLife] 'The End and The Beginning'...
The End of Separation...Connecting to the New Energies October 22, 2009 Welcome! These are interesting times indeed, as we are in unchartered territory and much of everything is wide open. When we crossed over into a new energetic reality and experience, there was really nothing here yet. The forerunners are at the foremost territory of bare energy, while others are just behind with more company, and even so, we are all having experiences that perfectly fit where we are now residing. In this way, there is an emptiness, or perhaps just a feeling of no energy present. We may reach out with our hands and feel great space, lots of air, or even a nothingness that we cannot quite place a finger on. We may feel separate and alone. In this new land, nothing has been created yet, so in this way, the palette is still empty, waiting for our brushes to place something upon it, and mostly, to connect the dots. In times past, we were much more able to connect to Source or to a higher vibrating energy from above, all by ourselves. Now, in this new land, because we hold so much more light within us, which also gave us the entry keys to the other side, we are now being called upon to connect to each other, as a means of connecting to the light. We may find that if we go back to our usual patterns of being alone or separate, we will simply sink like a rock, seemingly unable to find the light, to connect to anything at all, or to even remember where we are, what we are doing, and where we are going. I moved to a new physical location this past week. The day before my move, while I was still at my old home packing, the contractor who will be building the first structure on the Angels Rest land mysteriously showed up. I had not seen him for awhile, nor anyone for that matter, and while in the midst of conversation, he impulsively gave me the number of someone who could help with the move, even though I already had a few people lined up. The next morning as I arrived back home with the truck, I noticed some empty boxes at my door…I had run out of boxes while packing, as my house is a very long way from any place where I could get empty boxes, and things had just not flowed like they usually did. It was a nice and very welcome surprise. As I entered my house and checked my voice mail, there was a message that my movers had cancelled at the very last moment. So there I was with a 24 foot truck that I had just driven in from Corrales, and no one to help load it. I had indeed called the person the night before, that my contractor recommended, just in case, but really did not know what would transpire next. Within a few minutes, a car arrived, and three young men emerged, ready to help load up the truck. Like little angels, they loaded and loaded, all the while laughing. “Keep laughing!” I continually told them. “I love it! Thanks so much!” When they were done, they perched themselves at the back of the truck, legs hanging over, and asked all about me. After many hugs that I insisted upon, they got in their car and drove off. My twin grandbabies had just had the flu, and because we are all so very close and always cuddling, and because I have been run down of late and exhausted, I immediately got it. (The new Emerging Earth Angels e-book Crossing Over gives a detailed account of how I re-connected to my daughter and grandchildren after a brief and very sorrowful dis-connect, along with much more detail about the new blueprint for living on the other side.) After the movers left, I still had a few fragile items to load, and then I still had to clean the house, as the drive to my new home was 2 ½ hours away, and I did not want to return back to my old house the following day just to clean. At this point, I was feeling very ill. Every few moments I would lay on the floor, trying to gather some more energy. In times past, I have been good at pushing myself when needed, rising above it, and getting a second wind, but this time I was really spent. I asked the angels to revive me, fully expecting that I would feel the usual energy surge and floaty feeling, and then be ready to complete my work. Nothing happened. “This is weird,” I thought. What I had failed to remember, was that we are no longer separate. I had asked for help in order that “I” could finish what I needed to finish, completely forgetting that I could have asked instead, that help arrive to assist me. Finally, while talking to my daughter on the phone (with the babies, she was not able to come and help), we finally agreed that I would simply have to drive back to Corrales, and then come back again to clean and load up any remaining items. My legs were like rubber, my body was pounding, and I had absolutely no energy left to take one more step. My gas tank was below empty…there was no hope. I was drained beyond belief. Very suddenly, two cars drove up. My contractor and two helpers jumped out, offering to help if
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi predicts the effect of a group of 7000 meditation experts
This clip is a good reminder for everyone on the ideal of TM. Given the violence in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Palestine, the TMO should work in these countries to increase the meditators and yogic flyers to promote peace in these areas. We are all sick of seeing wars, violence and ethnic/sectarian differences played out on TV and the news. Why can't a peaceful transformation occur in these Muslim countries just as it happened in the collapse of the USSR, East Germany, Poland and other European countries. Would take lot more of softening up before they culturally could transcend and transform. Yes they pray 5x's a day but is a good example of how prayer is not necessarily transcendental or spiritual. Need to work more at softening the field. More meditation everywhere around them. Find universalist Muslimists inside the muslim world who are open to receive the message of transcendent nature within. Is a damned dark part of the world causing a lot of trouble for everyone else. Is such ignorance in a modern spiritual world. Will take more light on the problem all around them. JAS, -D in FF
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi predicts the effect of a group of 7000 meditation experts
This clip is a good reminder for everyone on the ideal of TM. Given the violence in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Palestine, the TMO should work in these countries to increase the meditators and yogic flyers to promote peace in these areas. We are all sick of seeing wars, violence and ethnic/sectarian differences played out on TV and the news. Why can't a peaceful transformation occur in these Muslim countries just as it happened in the collapse of the USSR, East Germany, Poland and other European countries. Would take lot more of softening up before they culturally could transcend and transform. Yes they pray 5x's a day but is a good example of how prayer is not necessarily transcendental or spiritual. Need to work more at softening the field. More meditation everywhere around them. Find universalist Muslimists inside the muslim world who are open to receive the message of transcendent nature within. Is a damned dark part of the world causing a lot of trouble for everyone else. Is such ignorance in a modern spiritual world. Will take more light on the problem all around them. Personally, I suspect that the damned and dark place of the world is more likely to be inhabited by the people who cling to elitist fantasies that they are somehow responsible for events that just happened over the natural course of time than it is anyone else. If you ran into Muslims who said that they *personally* were responsible for causing the collapse of the USSR, East Germany, Poland, and other countries, through the power of their daily prayers, you'd probably con- sider them nutjobs, or at the very least legends in their own minds, right? Well, that's what many of us think of TMers who claim with a straight face that *they* brought all of these things about by bouncing on their butts. More light on the problem is not IMO likely to come from those lost in the darkness of ego, elitism, and hubris. My favorite songwriter Bruce Cockburn once stated his aspirations as follows: To be one more voice in the human choir rising like smoke from the mystical fire of the heart... Not the most important voice, not the voice that causes things to happen...just one more voice. There is humility in this credo. There is none in your recurring posts about the supposed importance of meditators. Whether these posts are put-ons or serious, I for one am tiring of them. I have meditated regularly for over forty years. I have taught meditation and been surrounded by thousands of fellow meditators. In that time I have seen no evidence that meditators are any more special, spiritual, or important to the world and its future than anyone else on this planet. And given a choice between increasing the numbers of TM meditators -- who on the whole believe that they need do nothing whatsoever to monitor or control their behavior and their emotions, only meditate -- and people who work on a daily basis *outside of meditation* to make their actions more in harmony with their ideals of ethics and ethical behavior, I'd go for the latter any day.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'The End and The Beginning'...
Posted here and emailed to Robert: Robert, I looked through the log, and you made three deletions this week. According to my count, that makes this post to which I'm replying your 48th for the week. You have two more between now and Friday evening. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii...@... wrote: The End of Separation...Connecting to the New Energies October 22, 2009 Welcome! [snip]
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi predicts the effect of a group of 7000 meditation experts
my pov is similar to Turq's if TM groups were truly 100% responsible for peace, we would have had it by now since there have been so many groups MIU and supposedly in India too perhaps the groups did contribute a little to the overall prayers of millions (not just select 7000) and their good unselfish sacrificing actions perhaps what happened is that MMY could more or less predict the future (he did show that to some extent) and he implemented his group programs to seem as if they were the major cause the real scientific test would be to implement a group now that MMY is gone in some troubled area and see what happens i don't see TM leaders rushing to help anywhere in the troubled spots around the world and prove the point Afghanistan is the perfect opportunity to do that overall i feel TM and the groups were useful in a troubled world and did contribute partially but we need to pay heed to Amma's advice one way for all is dangerous always has been always will be i suppose and that prayer together with unselfish actions and self-sacrifice for the good of others always has been always will be a force for good amen ! Amma Bless All, amarnath --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: This clip is a good reminder for everyone on the ideal of TM. Given the violence in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Palestine, the TMO should work in these countries to increase the meditators and yogic flyers to promote peace in these areas. We are all sick of seeing wars, violence and ethnic/sectarian differences played out on TV and the news. Why can't a peaceful transformation occur in these Muslim countries just as it happened in the collapse of the USSR, East Germany, Poland and other European countries. Would take lot more of softening up before they culturally could transcend and transform. Yes they pray 5x's a day but is a good example of how prayer is not necessarily transcendental or spiritual. Need to work more at softening the field. More meditation everywhere around them. Find universalist Muslimists inside the muslim world who are open to receive the message of transcendent nature within. Is a damned dark part of the world causing a lot of trouble for everyone else. Is such ignorance in a modern spiritual world. Will take more light on the problem all around them. Personally, I suspect that the damned and dark place of the world is more likely to be inhabited by the people who cling to elitist fantasies that they are somehow responsible for events that just happened over the natural course of time than it is anyone else. If you ran into Muslims who said that they *personally* were responsible for causing the collapse of the USSR, East Germany, Poland, and other countries, through the power of their daily prayers, you'd probably con- sider them nutjobs, or at the very least legends in their own minds, right? Well, that's what many of us think of TMers who claim with a straight face that *they* brought all of these things about by bouncing on their butts. More light on the problem is not IMO likely to come from those lost in the darkness of ego, elitism, and hubris. My favorite songwriter Bruce Cockburn once stated his aspirations as follows: To be one more voice in the human choir rising like smoke from the mystical fire of the heart... Not the most important voice, not the voice that causes things to happen...just one more voice. There is humility in this credo. There is none in your recurring posts about the supposed importance of meditators. Whether these posts are put-ons or serious, I for one am tiring of them. I have meditated regularly for over forty years. I have taught meditation and been surrounded by thousands of fellow meditators. In that time I have seen no evidence that meditators are any more special, spiritual, or important to the world and its future than anyone else on this planet. And given a choice between increasing the numbers of TM meditators -- who on the whole believe that they need do nothing whatsoever to monitor or control their behavior and their emotions, only meditate -- and people who work on a daily basis *outside of meditation* to make their actions more in harmony with their ideals of ethics and ethical behavior, I'd go for the latter any day.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi predicts the effect of a group of 7000 meditation experts
On Oct 22, 2009, at 8:40 AM, dhamiltony2k5 wrote: Would take lot more of softening up before they culturally could transcend and transform. Yes they pray 5x's a day but is a good example of how prayer is not necessarily transcendental or spiritual. Need to work more at softening the field. More meditation everywhere around them. Find universalist Muslimists inside the muslim world who are open to receive the message of transcendent nature within. Is a damned dark part of the world causing a lot of trouble for everyone else. Is such ignorance in a modern spiritual world. Will take more light on the problem all around them. Unfortunately, the myth of TM/TMSP creating coherence is just that, a myth. Not that this keeps the TMO or TM adherents, ex-teachers or indoctrinated MIU/MUMers from still repeating it, ad nauseum, as if it were some reality. Quantum tomfoolery aside, from the point of view of brain coherence, TM and TMSP are just not that impressive nor that coherent: Other relaxation techniques have led to the same EEG profile [as TM/TMSP], and studies that employed counter-balanced control relaxation conditions consistently found a lack of alpha power increases or even decreases when comparing relaxation or hypnosis to TM meditation (Morse et al., 1977; Tebecis, 1975; Warrenburg, Pagano, Woods, Hlastala, 1980). Similarly, the initial claim that TM produces a unique state of consciousness different from sleep has been refuted by several EEG meditation studies that reported sleep-like stages during this technique with increased alpha and then theta power (Pagano, Rose, Stivers, Warrenburg, 1976; Younger, Adriance, Berger, 1975). (...) To summarize, alpha global increases and alpha coherence mostly over frontal electrodes are associated with TM practice when meditating compared to baseline (Morse, Martin, Furst, Dubin, 1977). This global alpha increase is similar to that produced by other relaxation techniques. The passive absorption during the recitation of the mantra, as practiced in this technique, produces a brain pattern that suggests a decrease of processing of sensory or motor information and of mental activity in general. Because alpha rhythms are ubiquitous and functionally non-specific, the claim that alpha oscillations and alpha coherence are desirable or are linked to an original and higher state of consciousness seem quite premature. The Cambridge Handbook of Consciousness Normal, healthy people emit this same level of coherence in any given day. If that's all it took to create world peace, we'd already have it. Osama Bin Laden, DIck Cheney and George W. Bush is emitting the same level of alpha coherence on any given day. And as the cite tells us: it's a common relaxation effect, nothing unique. The only amazing thing going on is that people who thought they were special because they were meditating in a magic dome or special groups still actually believe that and repeat it incessantly, despite the lack of evidence.
[FairfieldLife] Guru Dev - Dealing with different kinds of people
To make the mind pure, the author of the yoga-shaastra has instructed this method: 'You should keep in mind these four conditions: Friendship - Compassion - Delight - Indifference A feeling of friendship amongst those people equal to oneself and a feeling of compassion for subordinates or those people that are sick. With those who are more happy, more wise or more learned, or surpass you to some degree, make sure you look at them with a feeling of happiness. And with those who have a feeling of malice and hostility with you, apply an attitude of indifference, so that you will not copy this feeling of enmity and hatred. In this manner, by keeping in mind these four mental conditions of friendship, compassion, delight indifference, then envy, malice and jealousy etc will not arise in the mind and the mind's innate spirituality grows. By so doing, no obstruction appears in everyday affairs and with the disappearance of mental filth the instinctive longing for sensual experiences becomes less and on this account the mind becomes opened inside, praising and worshipping Bhagavan. ~ ~ Shri Shankaracharya UpadeshAmrita kaNa 34 of 108 - translation by Paul Mason © 2007
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev - Dealing with different kinds of people
Here is the link to this and the rest of Guru Dev's 108 Upadesh verses - translated by Paul Mason: http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/upadesh.htm --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: To make the mind pure, the author of the yoga-shaastra has instructed this method: 'You should keep in mind these four conditions: Friendship - Compassion - Delight - Indifference A feeling of friendship amongst those people equal to oneself and a feeling of compassion for subordinates or those people that are sick. With those who are more happy, more wise or more learned, or surpass you to some degree, make sure you look at them with a feeling of happiness. And with those who have a feeling of malice and hostility with you, apply an attitude of indifference, so that you will not copy this feeling of enmity and hatred. In this manner, by keeping in mind these four mental conditions of friendship, compassion, delight indifference, then envy, malice and jealousy etc will not arise in the mind and the mind's innate spirituality grows. By so doing, no obstruction appears in everyday affairs and with the disappearance of mental filth the instinctive longing for sensual experiences becomes less and on this account the mind becomes opened inside, praising and worshipping Bhagavan. ~ ~ Shri Shankaracharya UpadeshAmrita kaNa 34 of 108 - translation by Paul Mason © 2007
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi predicts the effect of a group of 7000 meditation experts
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: . If you ran into Muslims who said that they *personally* were responsible for causing the collapse of the USSR, East Germany, Poland, and other countries, through the power of their daily prayers, you'd probably con- sider them nutjobs, or at the very least legends in their own minds, right? No, I'd like to see the science. -D
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama to slash bailout bankers' pay by 90%
Dude, How's come you haven't been put into an internment camp yet what with that blabber mouth of yers? Hee hee, you're like my canary in the coal mine. When they come for you, I'm next. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: Good! They're WAY overpaid anyway and basically should have been fired long ago. Nobody is worth millions in compensation a year. People getting that are expert con men who have hoodwinked their board of directors into thinking they are indispensable. NOBODY IS INDISPENSABLE! Here's what the banksters have accomplished recently: Taking credit cards away from people who are not considered profitable. That includes people who were paying their balances off each month. For some people that means they don't have a credit card for emergencies at all! Raising interest rate before new government credit card rules go into place. Notice your monthly APR went up regardless of how good a customer you were? These thieves want to grab as much from you as possible. Chase had my card at 10% and then right after the legislation passed raised it to 14%. B of A hasn't changed their APR. Citigroup raised its APR from 14% to 18% and I haven't used this card but may again just to keep it active since they canceled peoples cards without warning. The bankers are conspirators who want to make us all slaves to them. They want to bring back the feudalism of centuries past. In fact some say they've been trying to do this ever since 1776. They can kiss my ass. Are you mad? Even if you're enlightened you should be mad. I've never heard of a guru or saint who just let robbers rob them. Some even beat the hell out of robbers. The best thing that could have happened would have been for Congress not to pass the bailout last year. Just let all the banks go under. Martial law? Who would have paid the enforcers. Would have caused some economic disruption but mostly do the overpriviledged who deserve it. do.rflex wrote: WASHINGTON - The Obama administration plans to order companies that received huge government bailouts last year to sharply cut the compensation of their highest paid executives, according to a person familiar with the decision. The seven companies that received the most assistance will have to cut the annual salaries of their 25 highest-paid executive by an average of about 90 percent from last year, said the person, who spoke on condition of anonymity because it has not been announced. This person said Wednesday that the Treasury Department will announce the deep pay cuts within the next few days. Kenneth Feinberg, the special master at Treasury appointed by Obama to handle compensation issues at the seven firms getting exceptional assistance from the government's $700 billion financial bailout package, is making the pay decisions. The seven companies are: Bank of America Corp., American International Group Inc., Citigroup Inc., General Motors, GMAC, Chrysler and Chrysler Financial. Total compensation for the top executives at the seven firms will decline, on average, by about 50 percent, according to the person familiar with the administration's decision. At the financial products division of AIG, the giant insurance company which has received taxpayer assistance valued at more than $180 billion, no top executive will receive more than $200,000 in total compensation, the person familiar with Feinberg's plan said. The administration also will warn AIG that it must fulfill a commitment to significantly reduce the $198 million in bonuses promised to employees in its financial services division, the arm of the company whose risky trades caused its downfall. The pay restrictions for all seven companies will require any executive seeking more than $25,000 in special benefits things such as country club memberships, private planes and company cars to get permission for those perks from the government. Tom Wilkinson, a GM spokesman, said the auto company was currently in discussions with Mr. Feinberg's office regarding executive compensation. We will have further information once those discussions have concluded. Gina Proia, a spokeswoman for GMAC, said the finance company has been working on a proposal that aims at embodying the principles set forth for compensation along with balancing the need to retain critical talent necessary to execute our turnaround. Until we receive notification about that plan, we have no further comment. A spokeswoman for Chrysler Financial declined comment. A Chrysler spokeswoman did not immediately comment. Feinberg's decisions on pay come after administration officials voiced sharp criticism in recent days of the plans of Wall Street firms to pay huge bonuses at a time when the country is still coping with rising unemployment and
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dark side of Mayan prophecy...
I think we can expect a lot more stupidity about this 2012 thing. There has been much talk of two celestial objects due to pass by the Earth around 2012. One is harmless and the other will cause very major problems indeed. Google for: NASA, Nibiru, Eris, 2012; rumoured to be what caused the flood of Noah, and orbiting about 3,000 years. There is a veritable traffic jam of sattelites sent up to look for stuff coming round behind the sun. Uns.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Toe Readings come to Fairfield
On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Rick Archer r...@searchsummit.com wrote: FF . One of my partners in crime here in Chicago is coming to FF to do intuitive toe readings this weekend. I know you guys in FF have heard it all but really and truly, what Rhanda does is more than just read your toes (although it is mind-blowing how much she can tell you about you, your strengths, your tendencies, etc. from your toes!) but she uses what she reads to guide you as a soul coach and tunes into what you need to do to get from where you are in your life to where you want to be. She's really good and has helped me immensely. She will be giving a free introductory talk at the library at 7:30 this Friday night. xo debra/debsue Fairfield. Home of the strange and bizarre. Half the ru's are alergic to electricity flowing in their houses. Very weird place.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi predicts the effect of a group of 7000 meditation experts
And given a choice between increasing the numbers of TM meditators -- who on the whole believe that they need do nothing whatsoever to monitor or control their behavior and their emotions, only meditate -- and people who work on a daily basis *outside of meditation* to make their actions more in harmony with their ideals of ethics and ethical behavior, I'd go for the latter any day. How about both. Yes indeed, when combined. Like transcending and some buddhistic mindfulness improves both practices. Is some lot of what's been happening in FF off campus for some while. Is field effect of nature in consciousness spirituality. Is the newer age of spirituality in practice. Is all very hopeful/promising for the future, even in the dark parts of the world that way. Would be very good to add transcending to their muslimnist prayers. Might even save the world. Jai Adi Shankara -D in FF
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dark side of Mayan prophecy...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes103@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes103@ wrote: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/6391911/Balloon-boys-father-wanted-TV-fame-before-world-ends-in-2012.html I think we can expect a lot more stupidity about this 2012 thing. Please post all whacky stories here, it's fascinating to watch a belief system grow before your very eyes. Then we can study the cognitive dissonance when it turns out 22nd dec is just another day. Unless the world ends, then will my face be red! If the world ends do you think you'll still have a face? That was the joke, try and keep up Edg. Well fuck you too asshole. Edg Hmm, perhaps I should've put a smiley face at the end ;-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rick - 'Awakenings'
Thanks http://www.youtube.com/radioawakenings Be sure to get rid of the ground loop hum for your next interview. Cropping to 16:9 would look nicer and cut the board and other stuff. Note the thumbnails are cropped that way and look nice. Yeah, may be would open better with Pachelbel's Canon too.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Toe Readings come to Fairfield
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: FF . One of my partners in crime here in Chicago is coming to FF to do intuitive toe readings this weekend. I'd be afraid to have my toes read. What if they came out sounding like a Dan Brown novel? :-) This joke is *not* intended to dump on the practice of toe reading. Some may benefit from it immensely. I would not be so callous as toe im-pede their recovery.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rick - 'Awakenings'
someone owes me a new laptop... i absolutely just spewed a mouthful of porridge all over the screen --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony...@... wrote: Thanks http://www.youtube.com/radioawakenings Be sure to get rid of the ground loop hum for your next interview. Cropping to 16:9 would look nicer and cut the board and other stuff. Note the thumbnails are cropped that way and look nice. Yeah, may be would open better with Pachelbel's Canon too.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rick - 'Awakenings' [2 Attachments]
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of dhamiltony2k5 Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 10:30 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rick - 'Awakenings' Thanks http://www.youtube.com/radioawakenings Be sure to get rid of the ground loop hum for your next interview. Cropping to 16:9 would look nicer and cut the board and other stuff. Note the thumbnails are cropped that way and look nice. Yeah, may be would open better with Pachelbel's Canon too. Yuck. But Vaj make me some great clips, which I've attached. Let's see if they come through. Otherwise I could post them to the files section.
[FairfieldLife] The Mainstream Critique
Mainstream's Critique: When an institution formerly based on Subjective Inner Experience has long-since abandoned its uniqueness through diversifying its product line by creating excessively high-profit-margin products marketed to every field of the Objective Outer world, are you surprised that the idealistic young might poke a stick into the eye of said institution ? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 mainstream20...@... wrote: When an institution formerly based on Subjective Inner Experience has long-since abandoned its uniqueness through diversifying its product line by creating excessively high-profit-margin products marketed to every field of the Objective Outer world, are you surprised that the idealistic young might poke a stick into the eye of said institution ? http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/232684
[FairfieldLife] See George W. Bush for $4.95
[Oh boy!] George W. Bush wants to help people 'Get Motivated!' WASHINGTON (CNN) Former President George W. Bush has a new speaking gig. Bush will be featured as the special guest speaker at an October 26 Get Motivated! business seminar http://www.getmotivated.com/city.aspx?a=5115 in Fort Worth, Texas, according to an announcement on the organization's Web site. Tamara Lowe, the Co-Founder and Executive Vice President of Get Motivated Seminars, Inc., said in a phone interview that the former president will appear live and in person at the upcoming event. Lowe estimated that Bush will speak for roughly 20 minutes. Lowe also said that the company has all the necessary safety precautions in place to host a former president. Bush's former Secretary of State Colin Powell and former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani are set to join Bush at the October 26 event. The former president is also scheduled to participate in another Get Motivated! seminar http://www.getmotivated.com/city.aspx?a=5125 in San Antonio, Texas on December 2, according to the company's Web site. For a limited time only, the Web site says, tickets are available to the October and December events for $4.95 per person or $19 for a group. CNN is awaiting confirmation from a representative of the former president about the scheduled appearances at the seminars. http://snipurl.com/snmwg [politicalticker_blogs_cnn_com]
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rick - 'Awakenings'
they're both very nice... somehow though they remind me of the United terminal music underground between concourse B and C. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of dhamiltony2k5 Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 10:30 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rick - 'Awakenings' Thanks http://www.youtube.com/radioawakenings Be sure to get rid of the ground loop hum for your next interview. Cropping to 16:9 would look nicer and cut the board and other stuff. Note the thumbnails are cropped that way and look nice. Yeah, may be would open better with Pachelbel's Canon too. Yuck. But Vaj make me some great clips, which I've attached. Let's see if they come through. Otherwise I could post them to the files section.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question for Hugo (hugheshugo)
TurquoiseB wrote: But the one thing that tends to support my continuing belief that thought can influence matter is more everyday, and well documented, and not easily debunked. That is the placebo effect... Can you cite any scientific studies that prove that a mental process can cause physical change?
[FairfieldLife] Re: See George W. Bush for $4.95
John wrote: [Oh boy!]
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dark side of Mayan prophecy...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes103@ wrote: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/6391911/Balloon-boys-father-wanted-TV-fame-before-world-ends-in-2012.html I think we can expect a lot more stupidity about this 2012 thing. Please post all whacky stories here, it's fascinating to watch a belief system grow before your very eyes. Then we can study the cognitive dissonance when it turns out 22nd dec is just another day. Unless the world ends, then will my face be red! Great find, and great commentary. The 2012 hoax contains meat for any number of scholarly works similar to the famous book When Prophecy Fails. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails In that seminal work of sociologcial and religious psychology, the researchers followed the adventures and misadventures of a group of True Believers who had become convinced that the world was going to end on December 21, 1954, and that they would sur- vive because a flying saucer would come down and rescue them. As a result, they had left their jobs, dropped out of college, split from their spouses, and had given away money and possessions to prepare for their departure. The Big Day arrived, and nothing happened. The next day dawned as usual, and these True Believers were left having to deal with misplaced faith. The gist of the book is that they *didn't* deal with it. Instead, they made up *new* stories to account for the fact that their previous story had been a total crock of shit. It's an excellent book, I bought it on your recommen- dation ages ago! I really felt sorry for them when they went outside to greet the UFO and nothing happened. A good story, well told. Here's a favourite of mine that I'm happy to recommend: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Spying-Guru-Land-William-Shaw/dp/1857023293/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8s=booksqid=1256226821sr=8-1 A journalist tries to find out what goes on behind closed doors in Britians cults, so he joins as many as he can in one year. Amazing the variety of beliefs and practises hidden away in back streets. He didn't learn TM which was a shame as his outsider view would've been interesting. For cult watchers it's essential reading. Some of it you won't believe, had me scratching my head at why people are so willing to believe in the most unlikely (to me) ideas it makes the 2012 stuff seem normal (so far). I expect the same thing to happen with the 2012 hoax, but in MUCH larger numbers because the media will milk this hoax for all it's worth and get millions of people to invest in it. I know loads of people who are really believing something is going to happen and it's all sorts of different things like ascension after the apocalypse, aliens landing, magnetic pole shifts stopping electricity working (?) or just a new age of enlightenment but lived in extra dimensions (not sure how that's going to work). I used to try and talk people out of it but I think it's more interesting to watch and see what develops. Funny that so many are projecting their desires onto the same date. Still, it's been 10 years since the last big end-of-world/transformation so maybe that's it. And whatever happened to the end-timers in 1999 who sold their houses and moved to Israel to await the last trump? They must have a warning or two, but then they'd fit right in at the top of Festinger's warning list so they're probably still there telling themselves that the delay is caused by the advanced spirituality of Earth slowing down the Pleiadean space ships travel through the ether or something. As you suggest, the balloon boy's father is just the tip of the iceberg. Expect many more nutcases in the coming three years, as more and more people sign on to this hoax and boost their own self-importance and egos by believing in it. BUT -- and even more fascinating from my POV -- just wait for the aftermath. The thing that will be more interesting from a sociological and religious history point of view will be how people deal with December 22, 2012 rolling around just like any other day. What will be the *new* myths and hoaxes they make up to account for this? How will they deal with the cog- nitive dissonance of having invested in something that was clearly make-believe? WILL they deal with it? My friends can cry on my shoulder. Or slap me for looking smug. Or laugh at me from the UFOs as they leave us unbelievers to perish in the firestorm. I think that we can see from the number of people who still defend the ME and make excuses for why it isn't working as advertised that they WON'T deal with it. They'll just make up new delusions to replace the previous ones. If I remember, one of the rationalisations used in When Prophecy Fails was that their prayers had purified the earth so the predicted flood wasn't necessary. I think
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Question for Hugo (hugheshugo)
On Oct 22, 2009, at 11:58 AM, WillyTex wrote: TurquoiseB wrote: But the one thing that tends to support my continuing belief that thought can influence matter is more everyday, and well documented, and not easily debunked. That is the placebo effect... Can you cite any scientific studies that prove that a mental process can cause physical change? Lazar, S., Kerr, C., Wasserman, R., Gray, J., Greve, D., Treadway, M., McGarvey, M., Quinn, B., Dusek, J., Benson, H., Rauch, S., Moore, C., Fischl, B. (2005). Meditation experience is associated with increased cortical thickness. Neuroreport, 16(17):1893–7.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev - Dealing with different kinds of people
John wrote: Dealing with different kinds of people... Your surly, arrogant, abject contempt for *your* critics and critics of Maharishi and his TM organization - is an explicit example of what I have written in characterization of such. Also, your copying and pasting of others' material to support your own inability to speak for yourself, is loudly apparent as a need to justify your own spiritual inadequacy... From: John Manning Subject: Tex's (Willy) problem with lying Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: 2002-07-24 17:39:58 PST
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi predicts the effect of a group of 7000 meditation experts
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_...@... wrote: Nabs, This clip is a good reminder for everyone on the ideal of TM. Given the violence in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Palestine, the TMO should work in these countries to increase the meditators and yogic flyers to promote peace in these areas. We are all sick of seeing wars, violence and ethnic/sectarian differences played out on TV and the news. John, they've been doing this collective coherence trip for years. The Invincible America course was supposed to transform the fortunes of the US, and look what happened. They had to fall back on excuses like 'phase transition'. If they'd predicted a phase transition fine but they didn't, it was In the vicinity of Yog positive trends dominate or whatever the quote is. The pundits are supposed to be 10X as powerful as sidhas and there are thousands of them in India. If the ME worked it would surely be working by now. It's a lovely idea but you have to judge things by their results. I was sceptical of the whole thing by the time IA course started but was pleased that the TMO was going ahead with it because if you don't try things you never know Why can't a peaceful transformation occur in these Muslim countries just as it happened in the collapse of the USSR, East Germany, Poland and other European countries. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikeWwfTF_Xsfeature=related
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rick - 'Awakenings'
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of MinP Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 11:00 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rick - 'Awakenings' they're both very nice... somehow though they remind me of the United terminal music underground between concourse B and C. Are they recognizable as Reveille?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Obama to slash bailout bankers' pay by 90%
Really I'm just passing on stuff I've read elsewhere albeit in my own words rather than cut and pasting all the time. So there are much more visible people out there they would come after before me or you (whoever they are). But with that idea of what you put your attention on rather than thinking the fall of the republic people should be thinking the fall of the elite. Since we vastly outnumber the latter we may well be able to make it happen! Duveyoung wrote: Dude, How's come you haven't been put into an internment camp yet what with that blabber mouth of yers? Hee hee, you're like my canary in the coal mine. When they come for you, I'm next. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: Good! They're WAY overpaid anyway and basically should have been fired long ago. Nobody is worth millions in compensation a year. People getting that are expert con men who have hoodwinked their board of directors into thinking they are indispensable. NOBODY IS INDISPENSABLE! Here's what the banksters have accomplished recently: Taking credit cards away from people who are not considered profitable. That includes people who were paying their balances off each month. For some people that means they don't have a credit card for emergencies at all! Raising interest rate before new government credit card rules go into place. Notice your monthly APR went up regardless of how good a customer you were? These thieves want to grab as much from you as possible. Chase had my card at 10% and then right after the legislation passed raised it to 14%. B of A hasn't changed their APR. Citigroup raised its APR from 14% to 18% and I haven't used this card but may again just to keep it active since they canceled peoples cards without warning. The bankers are conspirators who want to make us all slaves to them. They want to bring back the feudalism of centuries past. In fact some say they've been trying to do this ever since 1776. They can kiss my ass. Are you mad? Even if you're enlightened you should be mad. I've never heard of a guru or saint who just let robbers rob them. Some even beat the hell out of robbers. The best thing that could have happened would have been for Congress not to pass the bailout last year. Just let all the banks go under. Martial law? Who would have paid the enforcers. Would have caused some economic disruption but mostly do the overpriviledged who deserve it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dark side of Mayan prophecy...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor uns_tres...@... wrote: I think we can expect a lot more stupidity about this 2012 thing. There has been much talk of two celestial objects due to pass by the Earth around 2012. One is harmless and the other will cause very major problems indeed. Google for: NASA, Nibiru, Eris, 2012; rumoured to be what caused the flood of Noah, and orbiting about 3,000 years. There is a veritable traffic jam of sattelites sent up to look for stuff coming round behind the sun. Uns. Thanks for the tip Uns, I googled NASA, Nibiru, Eris, 2012 in one line and got this: http://astrobiology.nasa.gov/ask-an-astrobiologist/intro/nibiru-and-doomsday-2012-questions-and-answers Which should answer a lot of your questions. In particular the fact that the Nibiru prophecy was originally for 2003 but was changed to 2012 when the Earth mysteriously failed to be destroyed. This happens A LOT with prophecy I've noticed.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev - Dealing with different kinds of people
John wrote: Here is the link to this and the rest of Guru Dev's 108 Upadesh verses - translated by Paul Mason: http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/upadesh.htm Thank you, John, thank you so much for posting this information. It is truly inspirational! It is said that Guru Dev was given poison. Who gave that poison we don't know but we know that there was poison in his body. When Guru Dev's body became unwell, then we wanted him to go to Kashi to rest. But he (Mahesh) removed him from that trip forcibly and took him to speak in Calcutta. There he died. After that, this man spread his net. He went abroad. First to Singapore. The expatriate Indians there, thinking that he is the disciple of Shankaracharya, received him well and got him a ticket for the United States. After going to America, he brought the Beatles back here. It was rumored that he did inappropriate things with them and that's why they left him and went away. He later opened many camps and pretended that he could teach people to read minds and levitate. No one, however, succeeded in learning the things he promised. He himself does not know or practice yoga. He does not know anything about those things... From: John Manning Subject: To BillyG Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: 2001-10-22 10:00:24 PST
[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting MUM Developments
300 children. Is there anyone left inside MIU that could explain the spiritual facts of life to these unruly children and those outsiders who agitate them? Bring back Jerry Jarvis? Recently, about 300 students signed a petition vowing that they were all going to drop out if the university didn't stop forcing them to meditate Our call to be meditators is something more than a casual circumstance. I feel its force and realize its holiness. As a meditator in the sphere of nature, I realize how enslaved we should have been to the fashions and life that gratify the merely animal passions. As a conservative meditator in the spiritual family of Fairfield meditators, I am relieved from earthly servitude, and am a free being; free to live and be as pure as the heavens, with companions who are also pure. I am happy in my call to an entire consecration of soul and body in meditation, to a cause so noble; and though many rebel against the call of meditation, I know that the discipline of a meditating life is of God and that its principles in science can never fail, I have tasted the bread and waters of a regenerated and eternal life in meditation, and to every sincere seeker after truth, I send greeting, and welcome to share in meditation, in Fairfield. Jai Adi Shankara, -Doug in FF --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: Recently, about 300 students signed a petition vowing that they were all going to drop out if the university didn't stop forcing them to meditate by taking attendance at mandatory group meditations. MUM caved, and that policy was dropped. A study was then conducted that determined that the student body consists of . 30% entrepreneurs - career-oriented kids who mainly want to learn skills and enter the workforce. TM and SCI aren't high priorities. . 60% dreamers who want to change the world. They appreciate TM but don't see it as the lynchpin of that endeavor. They're into environmentalism and other causes. . 10% devotees The faculty are about 90% devotees, so their attempts to impose their values on the students weren't working. The university is trying to translate this assessment into practical steps to become more relevant and appealing to students. I wonder whether all this is related to Bevan Morris' recent withdrawal from the board of trustees?
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting MUM Developments
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of dhamiltony2k5 Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 11:25 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting MUM Developments 300 children. Is there anyone left inside MIU that could explain the spiritual facts of life to these unruly children and those outsiders who agitate them? Bring back Jerry Jarvis? He's back. He'll be giving a lecture at the Santa Monica library sometime soon.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama to slash bailout bankers' pay by 90%
Just let all the banks go under... Duveyoung wrote: How's come you haven't been put into an internment camp yet what with that blabber mouth of yers? Hee hee, you're like my canary in the coal mine. When they come for you, I'm next. I'm surprised the Dude hasn't been locked up in the California State School by this time.
[FairfieldLife] ABC: Testosterone of McCain Voters Dropped Post-Election
Study Shows Testosterone Levels of McCain Supporters Dropped on Election Night By LAUREN COX ABC News Medical Unit Oct. 22, 2009 Republican men nationwide may have experienced a drop in testosterone levels the night Barack Obama was elected president, according to the results of a small study that found another link between testosterone and men's moods. By taking multiple saliva samples from 183 young men and women on election night, researchers found that the testosterone levels http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/MensHealthNews/story?id=8083450page=1# of men who voted for John McCain or Robert Barr dropped sharply 40 minutes after Obama was announced the winner. The testosterone levels of men who voted for Obama http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/President44/# stayed the same throughout the evening. This could be significant because testosterone levels normally rise and fall throughout the day. The study, published in in PLOS One, is one of many that indicates a link between men's moods and testosterone, although which causes which is not clear. Women who voted for a losing candidate did not show a similar drop in testosterone http://abcnews.go.com/Health/MensHealthNews/story?id=8279787page=1# , although in a questionnaire prepared by the researchers they reported feelings of unhappiness, of being controlled and feeling submissive similar to those remarked by men who voted for a losing candidate. Some McCain backers described some of those feelings in emails to ABCNews.com about their mood following Obama's victory. After the election, I felt disappointed. Robbed, almost. As I watched the results pour in on both my television and on the Internet, I began to realize that there was no path to victory, Michael Coyne, of Park Ridge, Ill., wrote in a message to ABCNews.com. Coyne said the 2008 election was the first election in which he was old enough to vote. Robert Higginson, of Orem, Utah, wrote to ABCNews.com that he felt really sad for myself and I was (still am) worried about the wellbeing of the US of A. To be sure, not everyone who voted for McCain shared those feelings of letdown. If unmitigated rage is an indication of testosterone levels, mine are higher than ever, wrote in Don from, Albuquerque, N.M. The lowered testosterone levels the study found in Republican men after the election matches what other researchers have found when men are involved in face-to-face competition. Scientists have shown that more often than not in showdowns such as sports competitions or physical fights the loser ends up with a drop in testosterone http://abcnews.go.com/video/playerIndex?id=3915940 . Steven Stanton, lead author of the study, said colleagues at Duke University and the University of Michigan in Ann Arbor wondered if the same drop in testosterone that happened in face-to-face competitions would happen in vicarious dominance situation, such as an election. What About Women Who Supported McCain The researchers also included women, although few similar studies have before. Historically, the study of the biology of dominance and dominance competition have been men, said Stanton, a post doctoral fellow, at Duke University. There is only a handful of studies looking at dominance competition in women, like five or six. Unlike the men in the study, the women in the testosterone saliva test showed no significant difference in testosterone levels. Stanton explained that there is not a good parallel mechanism that would foster that [rise in testosterone] in women, since men produce testosterone quickly in the testes as well as the adrenal glands, but women only produce testosterone in the adrenal glands. Stanton says his team plans to publish more research on stress hormones measured during election night 2008 in the future. This is evidence showing that social events in our lives do affect our physiology, and it can happen quite quickly, he said. However, Dr. Abraham Morgentaler author of Testosterone for Life, said research linking testosterone to moods isn't as solid as doctors would like, and the saliva test for testosterone itself isn't well studied or validated. What we have is an association -- it's hard to know what that means for people, did it [testosterone] go down because the men were upset and disappointed, or is it totally unrelated? asked Morgentaler, who is also an associate clinical professor of urology at Harvard Medical School. Morgentaler said despite the inability to prove cause and effect in the study, overall doctors are seeing more evidence that testosterone is linked to men's moods. Stanton added that the drop in testosterone his study mimicked the same hormone fluctuations found in most male mammals after they lose a physical fight. Testosterone and Competition in Nature For men or male mammals, or males of a variety of species -- if you win, typically, testosterone go up and if you lose testosterone go down, Stanton
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dark side of Mayan prophecy...
--- In Fairfid eldl...@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor uns_tressor@ wrote: I think we can expect a lot more stupidity about this 2012 thing. There has been much talk of two celestial objects due to pass by the Earth around 2012. One is harmless and the other will cause very major problems indeed. Google for: NASA, Nibiru, Eris, 2012; rumoured to be what caused the flood of Noah, and orbiting about 3,000 years. There is a veritable traffic jam of sattelites sent up to look for stuff coming round behind the sun. Uns. Thanks for the tip Uns, I googled NASA, Nibiru, Eris, 2012 in one line and got this: http://astrobiology.nasa.gov/ask-an-astrobiologist/intro/nibiru-and-doomsday-2012-questions-and-answers Which should answer a lot of your questions. In particular the fact that the Nibiru prophecy was originally for 2003 but was changed to 2012 when the Earth mysteriously failed to be destroyed. This happens A LOT with prophecy I've noticed. This is called in the world of science The Heisenberg Time Shift Differential Theory, or The Oops! I Fucked Up The Prediction Date Theory. Just as Heisenberg suggested that the mere fact that an experiment was observed influenced the experiment and could affect its outcome, so goes it with predictions and software releases. This is called the Everybody With An Ego Tries To Cover Their Ass When They Fuck Up Theory. This theory was verifed in the software field by merely measuring the number of claims of when a major new release of software was coming out vs. when it really came out. In the realm of software, the claims of the software devel- opers are called the Any Day Now approach, whereas reality is called the Yeah, right approach. In the world of spiritual predictions, this theory is expressed as the Whoops! God/Nature Decided We Deserved A Second Chance Theory. You can use it to divert attention from almost any prediction that...uh...didn't quite work out as predicted, and get your followers to focus on the future, when it surely will happen just as originally predicted. Any Day Now. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Seek ye first the Kingdom of Heaven
Another Guru Dev quote: By gaining Paramatman, everything will become automatic. If you leave Paramatman and try to gain everything else, you will never be able to gain anything. Whatever is gained, will look so little, that you will not feel happy. If you want to catch the shadow, catch the real thing and automatically the shadow will be in your hands. Leaving the real, if you run after the shadow, the faster you run, the faster it will run away from you. That is why, to run after shadowy wealth and fame is foolhardy. Catch hold of the real - Paramatman - and all these will come by itself to be under your command. Remember, that remembering Paramatman is always highly profitable. Whatever time you put into this, you will get back with multifold interest. It is a waste to make much of your activity, so try to live quietly as long as you have to live.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question for Hugo (hugheshugo)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: I've been following your side of the Great FFL Physics Debates lately, and I've been impressed with your down-to-earth take on such things. But there is one thing I am not certain of, and rather than assume, I thought I'd ask. I get it that you are not convinced that there is a relationship between quantum physics and consciousness, but do you see a relationship between consciousness (thinking) and matter (the world of physical phenomena)? Definately, but not in a TM kind of action-at a-distance kind of way. Moods and beliefs influence health big time. I did an NLP course once and they are big on this sort of thing. There is an interface between mind and matter at the physiological level of the endocrine system which regulates hormonal glands that can affect health in a major way. The only way to judge anything is by results of course and they do have a good track record of helping people with both physical illness and mental problems too. It's kind of exploiting the placebo effect. If you believe something is going to happen it most likely will. A lot of the way NLP works is by changing deep beliefs about yourself which makes you feel different at a deep level and your physiology improves. It's good stuff what the limits of it are I don't know. But are thoughts matter? There's a question that could keep you awake all night! The way I look at it: Yes*. You can see connected pathways in the brain responding to stimuli with the new MRI scanners, whenever you think about something a different patch of the brain shows activity. Thoughts must be a form of electricity that consciousness witnesses, the fact that different neurons remember different things must make them effectively matter in that you can lose stuff due to injury or just by not recalling things often enough. *Effectively anyway. Might feel different about this in the morning. This BBC doc about consciousness, that I still don't know how to provide a link for, had a fascinating fact about how many neurons are necessary for storing responses to things you care about: One. The subject used to explain this was someone who likes Jennifer Aniston a lot and at every mention of her name or glimpse of a photo a single neuron would light up. When you think of the many hundreds of billions of connections in the brain it's not hard to see why we don't really understand it yet. But the one thing that tends to support my continuing belief that thought can influence matter is more everyday, and well documented, and not easily debunked. That is the placebo effect. If thought could not affect matter, the placebo effect could not exist. And there is concrete evidence that it does. Real physical diseases have been alleviated via the placebo effect. In fact, there is evidence that the effective- ness of the placebo effect is *growing*: http://www.wired.com/medtech/drugs/magazine/17-09/ff_placebo_effect?currentPage=all Fascinating. Especially this bit about the discovery of the placebo effect: The roots of the placebo problem can be traced to a lie told by an Army nurse during World War II as Allied forces stormed the beaches of southern Italy. The nurse was assisting an anesthetist named Henry Beecher, who was tending to US troops under heavy German bombardment. When the morphine supply ran low, the nurse assured a wounded soldier that he was getting a shot of potent painkiller, though her syringe contained only salt water. Amazingly, the bogus injection relieved the soldier's agony and prevented the onset of shock. I've never had the pleasure of taking morphine but according to friends who've been in medical need it's awesomely powerful, so the PE is quite a potent force. Perhaps big pharma shouldn't be worried and just tell us that they have a new drug but sell sugar pills! I read an article recently about how they've discovered how the PE works: http://www.physorg.com/news105029324.html As this article points out, it is becoming more and more difficult for pharmaceutical manufact- urers to prove their drugs viable in tests because the control groups -- the people taking placebos -- are getting well at increasingly higher and higher rates, rivaling those of the groups taking the actual drugs. Makes one want to say WTF. The import of this article is that it really didn't matter whether Neo took the red pill or the blue pill; all that mattered is that he took a pill. Anyway, I'd love to hear your take on this, but only if you feel like it. Ah, I always feel like it.
[FairfieldLife] 86 yr old WWII Veteran Makes Case For Gay Marriage
Good morning, Committee. My name is Phillip Spooner and I live at 5 Graham Street in Biddeford. I am 86 years old and a lifetime Republican and an active VFW chaplain. I still serve three hospitals and two nursing homes and I also serve Meals on Wheels for 28 years. My wife of 54 years, Jenny, died in 1997. Together we had four children, including the one gay son. All four of our boys were in the service. I was born on a potato farm north of Caribou and Perham, where I was raised to believe that all men are created equal and I've never forgotten that. Homophobes everywhere are hell-bent on denying equal rights http://www.protectmaineequality.org/index.cfm for the citizens of Maine (or anywhere else). Philip Spooner is a lifetime Republican, World War II veteran and, to everyone's surprise, a gay marriage supporter. The 86-year-old gave a heartfelt speech in support of gay marriage to Maine's Judiciary Committee back in April, and the video has just now become an internet hit. Spooner's voice wavers often as he weaves his own life story into the speech, using his experience as a soldier as his main defense for gay marriage. He lists his accomplishments in the war, among them serving in Patton's Third Army and carrying POWs back home, making it clear that he's a true American -- and according to Spooner, there's nothing more American than fighting for equality. I am here today because of a conversation I had last June when I was voting. A woman at my polling place asked me, 'Do you believe in equal, equality for gay and lesbian people?' I was pretty surprised to be asked a question like that. It made no sense to me. Finally I asked her, 'What do you think our boys fought for at Omaha Beach?'I haven't seen so much blood and guts, so much suffering,so much sacrifice. For what? For freedom and equality. These are the values that give America a great nation, one worth dying for. Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/21/philip-spooner-video-wwii_n_329\ 446.html http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/21/philip-spooner-video-wwii_n_32\ 9446.html Watch at link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrEbJBFWIPk Full Text: http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/10/21/795447/-A-WWII-Veteran-On-G\ ay-Marriage [via huffington Post]
[FairfieldLife] Re: 86 yr old WWII Veteran Makes Case For Gay Marriage
I just took my dogs for a walk and made a point of walking down the gayest streets of Sitges, and past the gayest cafes and nightclubs. This video was playing on the Internet in all of them. People were weeping and hugging each other and saying, If only my father had been able to say something like this. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: Good morning, Committee. My name is Phillip Spooner and I live at 5 Graham Street in Biddeford. I am 86 years old and a lifetime Republican and an active VFW chaplain. I still serve three hospitals and two nursing homes and I also serve Meals on Wheels for 28 years. My wife of 54 years, Jenny, died in 1997. Together we had four children, including the one gay son. All four of our boys were in the service. I was born on a potato farm north of Caribou and Perham, where I was raised to believe that all men are created equal and I've never forgotten that. Homophobes everywhere are hell-bent on denying equal rights http://www.protectmaineequality.org/index.cfm for the citizens of Maine (or anywhere else). Philip Spooner is a lifetime Republican, World War II veteran and, to everyone's surprise, a gay marriage supporter. The 86-year-old gave a heartfelt speech in support of gay marriage to Maine's Judiciary Committee back in April, and the video has just now become an internet hit. Spooner's voice wavers often as he weaves his own life story into the speech, using his experience as a soldier as his main defense for gay marriage. He lists his accomplishments in the war, among them serving in Patton's Third Army and carrying POWs back home, making it clear that he's a true American -- and according to Spooner, there's nothing more American than fighting for equality. I am here today because of a conversation I had last June when I was voting. A woman at my polling place asked me, 'Do you believe in equal, equality for gay and lesbian people?' I was pretty surprised to be asked a question like that. It made no sense to me. Finally I asked her, 'What do you think our boys fought for at Omaha Beach?'I haven't seen so much blood and guts, so much suffering,so much sacrifice. For what? For freedom and equality. These are the values that give America a great nation, one worth dying for. Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/21/philip-spooner-video-wwii_n_329\ 446.html http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/21/philip-spooner-video-wwii_n_32\ 9446.html Watch at link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrEbJBFWIPk Full Text: http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/10/21/795447/-A-WWII-Veteran-On-G\ ay-Marriage [via huffington Post]
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dark side of Mayan prophecy...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor uns_tressor@ wrote: I think we can expect a lot more stupidity about this 2012 thing. There has been much talk of two celestial objects due to pass by the Earth around 2012. One is harmless and the other will cause very major problems indeed. Google for: NASA, Nibiru, Eris, 2012; rumoured to be what caused the flood of Noah, and orbiting about 3,000 years. There is a veritable traffic jam of sattelites sent up to look for stuff coming round behind the sun. Uns. Thanks for the tip Uns, I googled NASA, Nibiru, Eris, 2012 in one line and got this: http://astrobiology.nasa.gov/ask-an-astrobiologist/intro/nibiru-and-doomsday-2012-questions-and-answers Which should answer a lot of your questions. In particular the fact that the Nibiru prophecy was originally for 2003 but was changed to 2012 when the Earth mysteriously failed to be destroyed. This happens A LOT with prophecy I've noticed. I remember the Nibiruzoids back in 2002-3 posting pictures that they emphatically claimed were proof that Niburu was on its way. Of course, it turned out to be a load of bollocks. It's not at all unlike the Cremezoids and their pictures of the star that will be able to be seen around the world, day and night.
[FairfieldLife] Feeding the world: vertical farms
http://www.verticalfarm.com/designs.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Feeding the world: vertical farms
yifuxero wrote: http://www.verticalfarm.com/designs.html Fine if organic and no GM crops. What we really need to do is educate people NOT to have so many damn children! They're not puppies. We need to reverse population growth.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rick - 'Awakenings'
Rick Archer wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of dhamiltony2k5 Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 10:30 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rick - 'Awakenings' Thanks http://www.youtube.com/radioawakenings Be sure to get rid of the ground loop hum for your next interview. Cropping to 16:9 would look nicer and cut the board and other stuff. Note the thumbnails are cropped that way and look nice. Yeah, may be would open better with Pachelbel's Canon too. Yuck. But Vaj make me some great clips, which I've attached. Let's see if they come through. Otherwise I could post them to the files section. I was thinking more a banjo and fiddle and maybe gutbucket bass. :-D
[FairfieldLife] Re: Seek ye first the Kingdom of Heaven
Rick, Great quote to remind ourselves of what is important. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: Another Guru Dev quote: By gaining Paramatman, everything will become automatic. If you leave Paramatman and try to gain everything else, you will never be able to gain anything. Whatever is gained, will look so little, that you will not feel happy. If you want to catch the shadow, catch the real thing and automatically the shadow will be in your hands. Leaving the real, if you run after the shadow, the faster you run, the faster it will run away from you. That is why, to run after shadowy wealth and fame is foolhardy. Catch hold of the real - Paramatman - and all these will come by itself to be under your command. Remember, that remembering Paramatman is always highly profitable. Whatever time you put into this, you will get back with multifold interest. It is a waste to make much of your activity, so try to live quietly as long as you have to live.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 86 yr old WWII Veteran Makes Case For Gay Marriage
On Oct 22, 2009, at 1:39 PM, TurquoiseB wrote: I just took my dogs for a walk and made a point of walking down the gayest streets of Sitges, and past the gayest cafes and nightclubs. This video was playing on the Internet in all of them. People were weeping and hugging each other and saying, If only my father had been able to say something like this. What's scary is how they worded the name of the act. It's called An Act To End Discrimination in Civil Marriage and Affirm Religious Freedom. So many people may think If I vote yes I'm acting to end religious discrimination in civil marriage and I'm affirming religious freedom. Nothing could be farther from the truth. A yes vote could end gay marriage in this state. The airwaves are flooded with ads claiming a yes vote isn't anti-gay, it protects marriage as between ONE MAN and ONE WOMEN. The other big ad gives examples of shocked parents who find out their child was just told about gay marriage and sex...and he's only in second grade!, the false implication is that they'll start teaching about gay sex in schools (gasp). There's recently been a spate of thefts on the Vote Yes and on 1 signs with some young adults being arrested for taking them down ($250 fine). The state ethics commission voted Oct. 1 to take a closer look at contributions pouring into the state from the National Organization for Marriage after it was accused of circumventing Maine law by not reporting the names of many of it's donors (wouldn't you love to see who's on THAT list?). NOM countersued yesterday. NOM is the biggest contributor to Stand for Marriage, which are the people leading the referendum drive to overturn Maine's gay marriage law. Joining in the lawsuit now is a second group, American Principles in Action. It's really heating up as the election draws nearer, a very tense time as bigots come out in full force. Question 1: People's Veto An Act To End Discrimination in Civil Marriage and Affirm Religious Freedom Do you want to reject the new law that lets same-sex couples marry and allows individuals and religious groups to refuse to perform these marriages? Question 2: Citizen Initiative An Act to Decrease the Automobile Excise Tax and Promote Energy “Do you want to cut the rate of the municipal excise tax by an average of 55% on motor vehicles less than six years old and exempt hybrid and other alternative-energy and highly fuel-efficient motor vehicles from sales tax and three years of excise tax?” Question 3: Citizen Initiative An Act to Repeal the School District Consolidation Laws “Do you want to repeal the 2007 law on school district consolidation and restore the laws previously in effect?” Question 4: Citizen Initiative An Act to Provide Tax Relief “Do you want to change the existing formulas that limit state and local government spending and require voter approval by referendum for spending over those limits and for increases in state taxes?” Question 5: Citizen Initiative An Act to Establish the Maine Medical Marijuana Act “Do you want to change the medical marijuana laws to allow treatment of more medical conditions and to create a regulated system of distribution?” Question 6: Bond Issue (Part A of Ch. 414, Public Laws of 2009) “Do you favor a $71,250,000 bond issue for improvements to highways and bridges, airports, public transit facilities, ferry and port facilities, including port and harbor structures, as well as funds for the LifeFlight Foundation that will make the State eligible for over $148,000,000 in federal and other matching funds?” Question 7: Constitutional Amendment (Ch. 1, Constitutional Resolutions of 2009) “Do you favor amending the Constitution of Maine to increase the amount of time that local officials have to certify the signatures on direct initiative petitions?”
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi predicts the effect of a group of 7000 meditation experts
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, It's just a ride bill.hicks.all.a.r...@... wrote: On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 11:24 PM, John jr_...@... wrote: Nabs, This clip is a good reminder for everyone on the ideal of TM. Given the violence in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Palestine, the TMO should work in these countries to increase the meditators and yogic flyers to promote peace in these areas. We are all sick of seeing wars, violence and ethnic/sectarian differences played out on TV and the news. Why can't a peaceful transformation occur in these Muslim countries just as it happened in the collapse of the USSR, East Germany, Poland and other European countries. Indeed I remember being summoned to a WPA by Maharishi because an important event was going to occur. Finished the WPA and some months later watched the Berlin Wall being torn down on TV. I have an idea. Why not send a group of governors to the war zones. Let the round together and create coherence for the areas. I believe this was done in the Lebanon area many years ago. From what I've heard, MMY called all the TMers back immediately to get out of the area. Soon after, there was violence that erupted in the vicinity where the TMers had lived. If this was tried in these Muslim countries, the operation might have to be done with a low profile. If the Islamists get a whiff of this idea, they could easily throw a dynamite to blow everyone away. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikeWwfTF_Xsfeature=related To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
[FairfieldLife] Re: Message View reply...just as a reminder...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: Concerning a recent post viewed only in Yahoo Message View and never clicked on: Re: Because torture is so sexy ../../../message/232848 This is the sort of thing that Liberal Dude Nation would say is unimportant - that it has no effect on reality, these glamorized images of torture. Bullshit. ... I think it is useful to remember that the person making this post (which I assume that she didn't really write because frankly she doesn't have the chops to come up with her own rants, and only reposts the rants of others) is the person who has made by far the most torture fantasy posts on FFL. Says Barry pretending he didn't read the entire post in which I linked to the author at the end of the post, Violet Socks. He knows Violet wrote it but he would rather take a shot at me than talk about misogyny. Barry wants women to shut up about sexism. No, Barry just wants women to shut up, period. Edg, has him pegged as a predatory old fart, lusting after young flesh, kids who will shut up and hang on his every word. Right on, Edg. If I were to do a search, I'm pretty sure I could come up with dozens of posts in which Raunchy has fantasized about cutting men's balls off, cutting their dicks off, and torturing them in other ways unimaginable to most of us. The *detail* with which she constructs her torture fantasies of the things she wants to do to men on this forum shows clearly 1) that she's put a lot of thought into how she would torture men, and 2) that she feels there is nothing the least bit wrong with posting these detailed fantasies in public. Bullshit. Barry knows I've made no such posts. If there were, he would have linked to them. He hasn't produced a shred of evidence that I fantasize about torturing men. O.K. I'll admit to jerking Barry around in retaliation for being a nasty SOB, but it's a stretch to imagine I fantasized about torturing him. Oh wait, maybe he's still clutching his pearls over the time I fantasized about dykes putting a tattoo of Sarah Palin's boobs on his drunk-sodden ass. It's as close as I can think of to a torture fantasy, but I'll leave that for the folks to decide. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/224140 It's OK in Raunchy's book when she does it, fantasizing about torturing men, but not OK when marketers use SM images with women in them to sell products. Welcome to Raunchydog World, where hypocrisy reigns almost as supreme as it does in Edg World. Well I guess this means Barry thinks it's O.K. for marketers to use SM images of women to sell products. It's an indication of how little he values women and how much he values all things vulgar, immoral and unjust. He constantly brags how in the moment, sexually, and morally liberated he is and therefore superior to anyone who has any moral sensitivity to what is offensive, sexist or demeaning to a woman, such as the image of a woman wrapped in barbed wire. The amoral compass that guides his shallow life that tells him Polanski shouldn't be held accountable for butt fucking a child also tells him he shouldn't be held accountable for anything either. There we have it folks, when Barry the biggest hypocrite on FFLife dares call ANYONE a hypocrite, isn't it, um well, hypocritical?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi predicts the effect of a group of 7000 meditation experts
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony...@... wrote: This clip is a good reminder for everyone on the ideal of TM. Given the violence in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Palestine, the TMO should work in these countries to increase the meditators and yogic flyers to promote peace in these areas. We are all sick of seeing wars, violence and ethnic/sectarian differences played out on TV and the news. Why can't a peaceful transformation occur in these Muslim countries just as it happened in the collapse of the USSR, East Germany, Poland and other European countries. Would take lot more of softening up before they culturally could transcend and transform. Yes they pray 5x's a day but is a good example of how prayer is not necessarily transcendental or spiritual. Need to work more at softening the field. More meditation everywhere around them. Find universalist Muslimists inside the muslim world who are open to receive the message of transcendent nature within. Is a damned dark part of the world causing a lot of trouble for everyone else. Is such ignorance in a modern spiritual world. Will take more light on the problem all around them. It appears that there are already many Muslims who are open to ecumenism. Unfortunately, there are still many die hards who insist on their type of Islam. They cannot continue to hold a society together with blind disregard for humanity.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi predicts the effect of a group of 7000 meditation experts
On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 2:14 PM, John jr_...@yahoo.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, It's just a ride bill.hicks.all.a.r...@... wrote: I have an idea. Why not send a group of governors to the war zones. Let the round together and create coherence for the areas. I believe this was done in the Lebanon area many years ago. From what I've heard, MMY called all the TMers back immediately to get out of the area. Soon after, there was violence that erupted in the vicinity where the TMers had lived. If this was tried in these Muslim countries, the operation might have to be done with a low profile. If the Islamists get a whiff of this idea, they could easily throw a dynamite to blow everyone away. Actually, I posted a wry, sick joke. I know it was done. If I'm not mistaken, it was also done in Iran while the Shah was falling. Anybody remember the coherence by relation Maharishi talked about? America is something of a melting pot. Maharishi saw the US as a great place to get coherence around the world because so many different peoples reside here. In theory, we could get the Muslim countries coherent by initiating people of Middle Eastern descent. Yeah, right. Anyone ever consider writing a book (a very lengthy one) of all the ideas of Maharishi that just never panned out?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi predicts the effect of a group of 7000 meditation experts
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: This clip is a good reminder for everyone on the ideal of TM. Given the violence in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Palestine, the TMO should work in these countries to increase the meditators and yogic flyers to promote peace in these areas. We are all sick of seeing wars, violence and ethnic/sectarian differences played out on TV and the news. Why can't a peaceful transformation occur in these Muslim countries just as it happened in the collapse of the USSR, East Germany, Poland and other European countries. Would take lot more of softening up before they culturally could transcend and transform. Yes they pray 5x's a day but is a good example of how prayer is not necessarily transcendental or spiritual. Need to work more at softening the field. More meditation everywhere around them. Find universalist Muslimists inside the muslim world who are open to receive the message of transcendent nature within. Is a damned dark part of the world causing a lot of trouble for everyone else. Is such ignorance in a modern spiritual world. Will take more light on the problem all around them. Personally, I suspect that the damned and dark place of the world is more likely to be inhabited by the people who cling to elitist fantasies that they are somehow responsible for events that just happened over the natural course of time than it is anyone else. If you ran into Muslims who said that they *personally* were responsible for causing the collapse of the USSR, East Germany, Poland, and other countries, through the power of their daily prayers, you'd probably con- sider them nutjobs, or at the very least legends in their own minds, right? Well, that's what many of us think of TMers who claim with a straight face that *they* brought all of these things about by bouncing on their butts. More light on the problem is not IMO likely to come from those lost in the darkness of ego, elitism, and hubris. My favorite songwriter Bruce Cockburn once stated his aspirations as follows: To be one more voice in the human choir rising like smoke from the mystical fire of the heart... Not the most important voice, not the voice that causes things to happen...just one more voice. There is humility in this credo. There is none in your recurring posts about the supposed importance of meditators. Whether these posts are put-ons or serious, I for one am tiring of them. I have meditated regularly for over forty years. I have taught meditation and been surrounded by thousands of fellow meditators. In that time I have seen no evidence that meditators are any more special, spiritual, or important to the world and its future than anyone else on this planet. Just imagine if no one meditated or no one followed any ethical code of conduct. We would be back to barbarism. Although the Romans in the ancient times considered themselves civilized, the actions of the emperors showed their minds to be in darkness, as evidenced by their deadly struggles for power within the royalty and out in the surrounding countries, vis-a-vis France, Germany, England, Palestine and the known world at the time. And given a choice between increasing the numbers of TM meditators -- who on the whole believe that they need do nothing whatsoever to monitor or control their behavior and their emotions, only meditate -- and people who work on a daily basis *outside of meditation* to make their actions more in harmony with their ideals of ethics and ethical behavior, I'd go for the latter any day. As MMY stated, the development of the human consciousness is work-in-progress. Attaining the highest level of consciousness is the finest and the most delicate of human development. In my opinion, people who merely work on a daily basis are missing the finer aspects of life. This is the reason why communism collapsed in Europe. As the saying goes, Man does not live by bread alone.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi predicts the effect of a group of 7000 meditation experts
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anatol_zinc anatol_z...@... wrote: my pov is similar to Turq's if TM groups were truly 100% responsible for peace, we would have had it by now since there have been so many groups MIU and supposedly in India too perhaps the groups did contribute a little to the overall prayers of millions (not just select 7000) and their good unselfish sacrificing actions perhaps what happened is that MMY could more or less predict the future (he did show that to some extent) and he implemented his group programs to seem as if they were the major cause the real scientific test would be to implement a group now that MMY is gone in some troubled area and see what happens i don't see TM leaders rushing to help anywhere in the troubled spots around the world and prove the point Afghanistan is the perfect opportunity to do that overall i feel TM and the groups were useful in a troubled world and did contribute partially In the TMO's point of view, the pandits in India should provide enough coherence to bring peace around the world. but we need to pay heed to Amma's advice one way for all is dangerous always has been always will be i suppose and that prayer together with unselfish actions and self-sacrifice for the good of others always has been always will be a force for good amen ! Amma Bless All, amarnath --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: This clip is a good reminder for everyone on the ideal of TM. Given the violence in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Palestine, the TMO should work in these countries to increase the meditators and yogic flyers to promote peace in these areas. We are all sick of seeing wars, violence and ethnic/sectarian differences played out on TV and the news. Why can't a peaceful transformation occur in these Muslim countries just as it happened in the collapse of the USSR, East Germany, Poland and other European countries. Would take lot more of softening up before they culturally could transcend and transform. Yes they pray 5x's a day but is a good example of how prayer is not necessarily transcendental or spiritual. Need to work more at softening the field. More meditation everywhere around them. Find universalist Muslimists inside the muslim world who are open to receive the message of transcendent nature within. Is a damned dark part of the world causing a lot of trouble for everyone else. Is such ignorance in a modern spiritual world. Will take more light on the problem all around them. Personally, I suspect that the damned and dark place of the world is more likely to be inhabited by the people who cling to elitist fantasies that they are somehow responsible for events that just happened over the natural course of time than it is anyone else. If you ran into Muslims who said that they *personally* were responsible for causing the collapse of the USSR, East Germany, Poland, and other countries, through the power of their daily prayers, you'd probably con- sider them nutjobs, or at the very least legends in their own minds, right? Well, that's what many of us think of TMers who claim with a straight face that *they* brought all of these things about by bouncing on their butts. More light on the problem is not IMO likely to come from those lost in the darkness of ego, elitism, and hubris. My favorite songwriter Bruce Cockburn once stated his aspirations as follows: To be one more voice in the human choir rising like smoke from the mystical fire of the heart... Not the most important voice, not the voice that causes things to happen...just one more voice. There is humility in this credo. There is none in your recurring posts about the supposed importance of meditators. Whether these posts are put-ons or serious, I for one am tiring of them. I have meditated regularly for over forty years. I have taught meditation and been surrounded by thousands of fellow meditators. In that time I have seen no evidence that meditators are any more special, spiritual, or important to the world and its future than anyone else on this planet. And given a choice between increasing the numbers of TM meditators -- who on the whole believe that they need do nothing whatsoever to monitor or control their behavior and their emotions, only meditate -- and people who work on a daily basis *outside of meditation* to make their actions more in harmony with their ideals of ethics and ethical behavior, I'd go for the latter any day.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi predicts the effect of a group of 7000 meditation experts
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: Nabs, This clip is a good reminder for everyone on the ideal of TM. Given the violence in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Palestine, the TMO should work in these countries to increase the meditators and yogic flyers to promote peace in these areas. We are all sick of seeing wars, violence and ethnic/sectarian differences played out on TV and the news. John, they've been doing this collective coherence trip for years. The Invincible America course was supposed to transform the fortunes of the US, and look what happened. They had to fall back on excuses like 'phase transition'. If they'd predicted a phase transition fine but they didn't, it was In the vicinity of Yog positive trends dominate or whatever the quote is. That just goes to show, there's a lot of work to do in developing the human consciousness around the world. The major religions have been around for thousands of years and have not completely transformed humans today. Instead what do we see today? Wars and violence due to religious differences. The pundits are supposed to be 10X as powerful as sidhas and there are thousands of them in India. If the ME worked it would surely be working by now. It's a lovely idea but you have to judge things by their results. I was sceptical of the whole thing by the time IA course started but was pleased that the TMO was going ahead with it because if you don't try things you never know We should give the pundits a chance. They could bring about the peaceful environment that we need today. From the vedic literatures, the pundits performed yagyas at the behest of the kings to bring prosperity to their kingdoms. So, it appeared that MMY was using this ancient vedic technology to transform the world now.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi predicts the effect of a group of 7000 meditation experts
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Personally, I suspect that the damned and dark place of the world is more likely to be inhabited by the people who cling to elitist fantasies that they are somehow responsible for events that just happened over the natural course of time than it is anyone else. If you ran into Muslims who said that they *personally* were responsible for causing the collapse of the USSR, East Germany, Poland, and other countries, through the power of their daily prayers, you'd probably con- sider them nutjobs, or at the very least legends in their own minds, right? Well, that's what many of us think of TMers who claim with a straight face that *they* brought all of these things about by bouncing on their butts. More light on the problem is not IMO likely to come from those lost in the darkness of ego, elitism, and hubris. My favorite songwriter Bruce Cockburn once stated his aspirations as follows: To be one more voice in the human choir rising like smoke from the mystical fire of the heart... Not the most important voice, not the voice that causes things to happen...just one more voice. There is humility in this credo. There is none in your recurring posts about the supposed importance of meditators. Whether these posts are put-ons or serious, I for one am tiring of them. I have meditated regularly for over forty years. I have taught meditation and been surrounded by thousands of fellow meditators. In that time I have seen no evidence that meditators are any more special, spiritual, or important to the world and its future than anyone else on this planet. Just imagine if no one meditated or no one followed any ethical code of conduct. Why do you equate the two things? Do you equate Je-Ru with ethical codes of conduct? Do you associate Dr. Harold Bloom- field with ethical codes of conduct? Do you associate all of the other TM heavyweights who have been accused -- and convicted -- of crimes with ethical codes of conduct? If so, why? We would be back to barbarism. YOu mean barabarism as in using one's TM- associated charisma to dupe people out of their life savings? You mean barbarism as in a doctor slipping his patients date rape drugs and molesting them while in his office? You mean all of the other things that high-profile TMers have been accused -- and convicted -- of doing? Please clarify your usage of barbarism for me. Although the Romans in the ancient times considered themselves civilized, the actions of the emperors showed their minds to be in darkness, as evidenced by their deadly struggles for power within the royalty and out in the surrounding countries, vis-a-vis France, Germany, England, Palestine and the known world at the time. Although the leaders of the TM movement in the present -- for example Bevan Morris and John Hagelin -- talk the talk of ethical life, they have a track record of seducing and sleeping with the wives of their fellow TMers. Does this sound ethical and moral to you? Or do you just make special exceptions for people who agree with you? And given a choice between increasing the numbers of TM meditators -- who on the whole believe that they need do nothing whatsoever to monitor or control their behavior and their emotions, only meditate -- and people who work on a daily basis *outside of meditation* to make their actions more in harmony with their ideals of ethics and ethical behavior, I'd go for the latter any day. As MMY stated, the development of the human consciousness is work-in-progress. In other words, Do not ever dare to ask us to produce on our claims. They will happen, Any Day Now. Attaining the highest level of consciousness is the finest and the most delicate of human development. And you know this exactly HOW? Could it possibly be because some teacher you consider on the same level as God told you so, or that some scripture you consider written by God said so? That only puts you on the same level as any Christian True Believer who claims that Christian TV evangelists who claim to be representatives of Christ and yet pork their secretaries -- seemingly without caring whether they are male or female -- are really representatives of Christ, no matter what they might have done in real life. In my opinion, people who merely work on a daily basis are missing the finer aspects of life. Whereas those who have talked suckers into paying for their lives so that they don't have to work are cool? This is the reason why communism collapsed in Europe. As the saying goes, Man does not live by bread alone. And neither does man live by blind faith alone, faith that enables him to ignore the reality of the tradition he is part of in favor of the fantasy he has about that tradition. John, can you
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi predicts the effect of a group of 7000 meditation experts
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anatol_zinc anatol_zinc@ wrote: my pov is similar to Turq's if TM groups were truly 100% responsible for peace, we would have had it by now since there have been so many groups MIU and supposedly in India too perhaps the groups did contribute a little to the overall prayers of millions (not just select 7000) and their good unselfish sacrificing actions perhaps what happened is that MMY could more or less predict the future (he did show that to some extent) and he implemented his group programs to seem as if they were the major cause the real scientific test would be to implement a group now that MMY is gone in some troubled area and see what happens i don't see TM leaders rushing to help anywhere in the troubled spots around the world and prove the point Afghanistan is the perfect opportunity to do that overall i feel TM and the groups were useful in a troubled world and did contribute partially In the TMO's point of view, the pandits in India should provide enough coherence to bring peace around the world. That may be true *if* the yogic fliers were actually functioning *from* the home of all the laws of nature or pure consciousness as stated. What is needed is 7000 Yogis in Cosmic Consciousness (Like SBS) for that scenario to even begin to be realized. Most TM Yogic fliers are merely functioning from a 'faint awareness' of the home of all the laws of nature, which is good but a long ways from being able to actually levitate, even if their knees and back hold up after all of the unnatural strain put on them by all the years of practice, IMO.
[FairfieldLife] Senate Health Care Bill Likely to Include Public Option
ABC News reports that Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) is leaning toward including the creation of a new government-run insurance program -- the so-called public option -- in the health care reform bill he will bring to the full Senate in the coming weeks. After meeting with Democratic moderates, Reid has concluded he can pass a bill with a public option. Though some are still opposed the idea, Reid is now convinced that Democratic critics of the public option will support him when it counts -- on the procedural motion, which requires 60 votes, to defeat a certain GOP-led filibuster of the bill. Once the filibuster is beaten, it only takes 51 votes to pass the bill. Democratic critics of the public option would get a chance to go on-the-record with their opposition by voting for an amendment to strip it from the health care bill. Under Senate rules, such an amendment would need 60 votes to pass. And while there may not be 60 votes in favor of a public option, there are also not 60 votes against it. So, it would remain in the bill. http://snipurl.com/snwtw [politicalwire_com]
[FairfieldLife] Re: Senate Health Care Bill Likely to Include Public Option
I see this as an important Line drawn in the sand vote. US Senators are going to be asked to cross the line or stand behind it. How they answer defines not only their own political futures but the future of the United States of America. I also do not see it as a defect in Barack Obama that he has allowed it to come down to this vote. Yes, as many have opined, he could have lobbied harder for his (obvious) position on all of this. But he didn't. He allowed it to come down to a vote, the results of which will tell him -- and us -- in no uncertain terms who among his supposed Democratic and Republican colleagues have been bought by the health care lobby and who have not. This is how I would have done things if I were Barack Obama. The man lives with the ever-present reality that he could be shot dead in his tracks at any time. If I were in that position, I would want to spend every moment left to me leaving a legacy that points to those who were for the people and those who were against them. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: ABC News reports that Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) is leaning toward including the creation of a new government-run insurance program -- the so-called public option -- in the health care reform bill he will bring to the full Senate in the coming weeks. After meeting with Democratic moderates, Reid has concluded he can pass a bill with a public option. Though some are still opposed the idea, Reid is now convinced that Democratic critics of the public option will support him when it counts -- on the procedural motion, which requires 60 votes, to defeat a certain GOP-led filibuster of the bill. Once the filibuster is beaten, it only takes 51 votes to pass the bill. Democratic critics of the public option would get a chance to go on-the-record with their opposition by voting for an amendment to strip it from the health care bill. Under Senate rules, such an amendment would need 60 votes to pass. And while there may not be 60 votes in favor of a public option, there are also not 60 votes against it. So, it would remain in the bill. http://snipurl.com/snwtw [politicalwire_com]
Re: [FairfieldLife] Toe Readings come to Fairfield
On Oct 22, 2009, at 10:10 AM, Rick Archer wrote: FF . One of my partners in crime here in Chicago is coming to FF to do intuitive toe readings this weekend. I know you guys in FF have heard it all but really and truly, what Rhanda does is more than just read your toes (although it is mind-blowing how much she can tell you about you, your strengths, your tendencies, etc. from your toes!) but she uses what she reads to guide you as a soul coach and tunes into what you need to do to get from where you are in your life to where you want to be. She'sreally good and has helped me immensely. She will be giving a free introductory talk at the library at 7:30 this Friday night. xo debra/debsue Rick is this a joke? Sal
[FairfieldLife] 'Life is like a Coin...'
Life is like a coin... You may spend it, any way you wish... But, once it's spent, it's gone... R.g.
[FairfieldLife] Shaila Durcal
Put your earphones on, and listen to this siren's voice. Let us know what you think. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wtjs67y5z10feature=rec-HM-rn
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dark side of Mayan prophecy...
Thanks for the tip Uns, I googled NASA, Nibiru, Eris, 2012 in one line and got this: http://astrobiology.nasa.gov/ask-an-astrobiologist/intro/ nibiru-and-doomsday-2012-questions-and-answers Which should answer a lot of your questions. In particular the fact that the Nibiru prophecy was originally for 2003 but was changed to 2012 when the Earth mysteriously failed to be destroyed. This happens A LOT with prophecy I've noticed. Where does one go to for information? That's a government website. Do you expect them to shout fire in a theatre? Uns
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shaila Durcal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_...@... wrote: Put your earphones on, and listen to this siren's voice. Let us know what you think. http://www.youtube.com/ watch?v=Wtjs67y5z10feature=rec-HM-rn Because I had just been using my headphones to listen to a pirated TV show I was watching, I did exactly that. My assessment, understanding both the Castaellano language and body language in ways that you clearly do not, is that you are stuck in a state of perpet- ual adolescence that leads you to project your own lack of fulfillment onto women who promise it. Me...lowlife scum that I am...I would never have made such a silly mistake. What you consider a siren tempting you away from the path of holiness I consider only a cheap, tawdry commercial product of the cheap, tawdry commercial music industry, and devoid of talent or interesting features. If you see this person as having in some way tempted you, that represents only your own low standards, not any universal or cosmic standard.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Toe Readings come to Fairfield
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sal Sunshine Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 4:41 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Toe Readings come to Fairfield On Oct 22, 2009, at 10:10 AM, Rick Archer wrote: FF . One of my partners in crime here in Chicago is coming to FF to do intuitive toe readings this weekend. I know you guys in FF have heard it all but really and truly, what Rhanda does is more than just read your toes (although it is mind-blowing how much she can tell you about you, your strengths, your tendencies, etc. from your toes!) but she uses what she reads to guide you as a soul coach and tunes into what you need to do to get from where you are in your life to where you want to be. She'sreally good and has helped me immensely. She will be giving a free introductory talk at the library at 7:30 this Friday night. xo debra/debsue Rick is this a joke? Nope. For real. From Deborah Poneman. Are you going to get your toes read? Maybe cheaper just to paint them red.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Message View reply...just as a reminder...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Concerning a recent post viewed only in Yahoo Message View and never clicked on: Re: Because torture is so sexy ../../../message/232848 This is the sort of thing that Liberal Dude Nation would say is unimportant - that it has no effect on reality, these glamorized images of torture. Bullshit. ... I think it is useful to remember that the person making this post (which I assume that she didn't really write because frankly she doesn't have the chops to come up with her own rants, and only reposts the rants of others) is the person who has made by far the most torture fantasy posts on FFL. Says Barry pretending he didn't read the entire post in which I linked to the author at the end of the post, Violet Socks. He knows Violet wrote it but he would rather take a shot at me than talk about misogyny. Barry wants women to shut up about sexism. No, Barry just wants women to shut up, period. Edg, has him pegged as a predatory old fart, lusting after young flesh, kids who will shut up and hang on his every word. Right on, Edg. If I were to do a search, I'm pretty sure I could come up with dozens of posts in which Raunchy has fantasized about cutting men's balls off, cutting their dicks off, and torturing them in other ways unimaginable to most of us. The *detail* with which she constructs her torture fantasies of the things she wants to do to men on this forum shows clearly 1) that she's put a lot of thought into how she would torture men, and 2) that she feels there is nothing the least bit wrong with posting these detailed fantasies in public. Bullshit. Barry knows I've made no such posts. If there were, he would have linked to them. He hasn't produced a shred of evidence that I fantasize about torturing men. O.K. I'll admit to jerking Barry around in retaliation for being a nasty SOB, but it's a stretch to imagine I fantasized about torturing him. Oh wait, maybe he's still clutching his pearls over the time I fantasized about dykes putting a tattoo of Sarah Palin's boobs on his drunk-sodden ass. It's as close as I can think of to a torture fantasy, but I'll leave that for the folks to decide. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/224140 P.S. On second thought, it's probably the part about the lesbians making off with Barry's pension fund and donating it to pay Hillary's campaign debt that has his panties in a bunch. I mean, to Barry, that would truly be unimaginable torture. It's OK in Raunchy's book when she does it, fantasizing about torturing men, but not OK when marketers use SM images with women in them to sell products. Welcome to Raunchydog World, where hypocrisy reigns almost as supreme as it does in Edg World. Well I guess this means Barry thinks it's O.K. for marketers to use SM images of women to sell products. It's an indication of how little he values women and how much he values all things vulgar, immoral and unjust. He constantly brags how in the moment, sexually, and morally liberated he is and therefore superior to anyone who has any moral sensitivity to what is offensive, sexist or demeaning to a woman, such as the image of a woman wrapped in barbed wire. The amoral compass that guides his shallow life that tells him Polanski shouldn't be held accountable for butt fucking a child also tells him he shouldn't be held accountable for anything either. There we have it folks, when Barry the biggest hypocrite on FFLife dares call ANYONE a hypocrite, isn't it, um well, hypocritical?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Toe Readings come to Fairfield
On Oct 22, 2009, at 10:10 AM, Rick Archer wrote: FF . One of my partners in crime here in Chicago is coming to FF to do intuitive toe readings this weekend. I know you guys in FF have heard it all but really and truly, what Rhanda does is more than just read your toes (although it is mind-blowing how much she can tell you about you, your strengths, your tendencies, etc. from your toes!) but she uses what she reads to guide you as a soul coach and tunes into what you need to do to get from where you are in your life to where you want to be. She'sreally good and has helped me immensely. She will be giving a free introductory talk at the library at 7:30 this Friday night. xo debra/debsue Rick is this a joke? Nope. For real. From Deborah Poneman. Are you going to get your toes read? Maybe cheaper just to paint them red. Holy crap, what's next? First a get-out-of-jail-free card for Jeru, then a fundraiser to help him buy toothpaste, and now this. It really would be funny if it weren't sad. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Toe Readings come to Fairfield
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote: On Oct 22, 2009, at 10:10 AM, Rick Archer wrote: FF . One of my partners in crime here in Chicago is coming to FF to do intuitive toe readings this weekend. I know you guys in FF have heard it all but really and truly, what Rhanda does is more than just read your toes (although it is mind-blowing how much she can tell you about you, your strengths, your tendencies, etc. from your toes!) but she uses what she reads to guide you as a soul coach and tunes into what you need to do to get from where you are in your life to where you want to be. She'sreally good and has helped me immensely. She will be giving a free introductory talk at the library at 7:30 this Friday night. xo debra/debsue Rick is this a joke? Nope. For real. From Deborah Poneman. Are you going to get your toes read? Maybe cheaper just to paint them red. Holy crap, what's next? Pussy readings. First a get-out-of-jail-free card for Jeru, then a fundraiser to help him buy toothpaste, and now this. It really would be funny if it weren't sad. Sal
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Toe Readings come to Fairfield
Sal Sunshine wrote: On Oct 22, 2009, at 10:10 AM, Rick Archer wrote: FF . One of my partners in crime here in Chicago is coming to FF to do intuitive toe readings this weekend. I know you guys in FF have heard it all but really and truly, what Rhanda does is more than just read your toes (although it is mind-blowing how much she can tell you about you, your strengths, your tendencies, etc. from your toes!) but she uses what she reads to guide you as a soul coach and tunes into what you need to do to get from where you are in your life to where you want to be. She'sreally good and has helped me immensely. She will be giving a free introductory talk at the library at 7:30 this Friday night. xo debra/debsue Rick is this a joke? Nope. For real. From Deborah Poneman. Are you going to get your toes read? Maybe cheaper just to paint them red. Holy crap, what's next? First a get-out-of-jail-free card for Jeru, then a fundraiser to help him buy toothpaste, and now this. It really would be funny if it weren't sad. Sal Toe readings as well as thumb and sole readings are part of Indian systems of astrology and palmistry. There are books on these methods.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Old Cambridge TM Center
Cambridge TM What became of the old Cambridge TM center? That nice building a few blocks within walking from Harvard Square and Harvard College? Is it still Transcendental Meditation movement property or was it cashed? Whose ensigns hang in it now? The loss of shakti When an institution formerly based on Subjective Inner Experience has long-since abandoned its uniqueness through diversifying its product line by creating excessively high-profit-margin products marketed to every field of the Objective Outer world, -The Mainstream Critique --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 mainstream20016@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@ wrote: (snip) Seeking benefits is stupid. Meditate and enjoy, that is Maharishi's advice. No need to seek, but it's good to be aware. When one become aware, that the 'Outside World' is delusionary, then one becomes a 'Seeker of the Spiritual Realm'... Until that happens, one will be 'Looking for Results'...in the 'Material World'... It is obvious that the students, which inhabit the campus, have nothing to do with the 'Original M.I.U. M.I.U. was started by a group of 'Spiritual Seekers' who in coordination with Maharishi, decided to start a school, which would integerate the knowledge of the 'West' with the Vedic knowledge of the 'East', with 'Like Minded People'...gathered together... This generation, has been so brain-washed by the 'International Corporate Take-over'... That it is hard for them, to imagine, anything, not related to the 'Corporate Material World of Illusion'... These students have a different intention, than the original students...that of spiritual seekers... These students are seeking the kind of material success that can be found at any various schools throughout the country... They are wasting time and resources, being in Fairfield, and should be expelled immediately... Don't expect Bevan Morris to come to the rescue, anytime soon, or later, either... He sucked all the energy from Maharishi, that he could, and chased away any fun, and free-spiritedness, that would have kept the 'Movement of Seeking' alive... Bevan contributed to the death of this college, and now that his work is done, he is off, who knows where? R.J.G. When an institution formerly based on Subjective Inner Experience has long-since abandoned its uniqueness through diversifying its product line by creating excessively high-profit-margin products marketed to every field of the Objective Outer world, are you surprised that the idealistic young might poke a stick into the eye of said institution ?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting MUM Developments
The university is trying to translate this assessment into practical steps to become more relevant and appealing to students. I wonder whether all this is related to Bevan Morris' recent withdrawal from the board of trustees? If history has anything to say about it, their survival is going to be about their job of distinguishing guideline from teaching. What can change with time and what is immutable in the knowledge. Blue jeans are one thing and not meditating a MIU is another. That has been Bevan's an MMY downfall in the past. Was probably time to move Bevan over if only to move forward and survive. Mainstream's Critique fits well with histories of spiritual revival too. Also very much about that organizational discernment of doctrinalism as it rises out of facilitating spiritual experience. After the death of founders and founding generations it (shakti as it may inform discernment) often goes dead inside stale doctrine and administrative guidelines of the work remaining just to keep up appearances that the org is alive and pure. Guidelines of carrying on take over for the knowledge of original spiritual experience in the work of followers-on. Of just even securing the encomberances of the remaining apparati. That switch of spiritual movement which comes from simply facilitating the live experience of spiritual practice to just facilitating the facilities. Seems often is a killer of sustained spiritual revival. The loss of shakti When an institution formerly based on Subjective Inner Experience has long-since abandoned its uniqueness through diversifying its product line by creating excessively high-profit-margin products marketed to every field of the Objective Outer world, -The Mainstream Critique
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Movement's Desolation
Mainstream's Critique even goes along with this thread too. The loss of shakti When an institution formerly based on Subjective Inner Experience has long-since abandoned its uniqueness through diversifying its product line by creating excessively high-profit-margin products marketed to every field of the Objective Outer world, -The Mainstream Critique Taking a page from an old book.. The Movement's Desolation Well may Thy meditators mourn, my God, The Movement's desolation; The state of meditation-on calls aloud For grief and lamentation. Once she was all alive to Thee And thousands were converted, But now a sad reverse we see, Her glory is departed. And has meditation left the Movement without a trace behind her? Where shall I go, where shall I search, That I once more may find her? Adieu, ye proud, ye light and gay, I'll seek the broken hearted, Who weep when they of movement way, Her glory is departed. Some few, like good meditators, stand, While thousands have revolted, Earnest for the heav'nly land They never yet have halted. With such experience doth remain, For they are not perverted; O may they all through humankind regain The glory that's departed. To the tune of: http://shapenote.net/89.htm
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dark side of Mayan prophecy...
Thanks Gilster. I appreciate the vote of confidence. I like that line in the Gita that says, (and I paraphrase), that at certain point effort is not what is required to get the job done. Rather a certain element of grace or Grace. But I do subscribe to the notion that these are exciting times. I just finished reading a book that refers to these twenty five years as the nano second. I like that. I am not expecting anything spectacular on December 21, 2012, but I am on record as saying that the real action is occurring now. By the time the 21st comes, it's a done deal. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jpgillam jpgil...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes103@ I think we can expect a lot more stupidity about this 2012 thing. For what I undestand it is 25 years beginning in 1987 and culminating in 2012 that is time of transformation. In my life this is the case. These have been remarkable years and I am having to come face to face with all kinds of personal issues. It is awesome and scary, and there is no guarntee that I will be up to the task. But I am trying to take it one day at a time, and hope for the best. You'll triumph. I've seen you. You're at your best in clutch situations.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Senate Health Care Bill Likely to Include Public Option
On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 4:11 PM, do.rflex do.rf...@yahoo.com wrote: ABC News reports that Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) is leaning toward including the creation of a new government-run insurance program -- the so-called public option -- in the health care reform bill he will bring to the full Senate in the coming weeks. After meeting with Democratic moderates, Reid has concluded he can pass a bill with a public option. OK, Obama didn't play this one the way LBJ would have, trading pork barrel for votes. But Obama's been a legislator, first at the state level then at the federal level. He just might have had an idea things would turn out this way.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Senate Health Care Bill Likely to Include Public Option
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, It's just a ride bill.hicks.all.a.r...@... wrote: On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 4:11 PM, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: ABC News reports that Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) is leaning toward including the creation of a new government-run insurance program -- the so-called public option -- in the health care reform bill he will bring to the full Senate in the coming weeks. After meeting with Democratic moderates, Reid has concluded he can pass a bill with a public option. OK, Obama didn't play this one the way LBJ would have, trading pork barrel for votes. But Obama's been a legislator, first at the state level then at the federal level. He just might have had an idea things would turn out this way. Obviously you think Obama has magical divining powers that make him so sure of the future that he doesn't have to do anything except work his mojo on the level of thinking. If it hadn't been for progressives keeping the public option alive, we would be talking about co-ops instead of a public option. Even so, if the Senate goes with Schumer, which looks likely, there will probably be an opt out in his bill that will weaken the effectiveness of the public option. Obama could weigh in for a strong public option but it looks like he's going for the weaker opt out. I'm not surprised. If he really wanted a strong public option he should have fought for it. http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/10/22/obama-and-reid-maybe-leaning-toward-opt-out/
[FairfieldLife] Even Hitler is upset at balloon boy hoax
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zdxwoho9v7w
[FairfieldLife] Exciting new growth sector in feminism: bashing women
The title of Sarah Palin's book is Going Rogue: An American Life. The spoofy thing actually a collection of essays about Palin will be called Going Rouge: An American Nightmare. Rouge get it? Makeup. Lady stuff! Stuff that bitches wear! Heh. Take that, rougey bitch with lady parts! Oh, this is wonderful. Just wonderful. A start-up publishing house called O/R is planning a kind of semi-spoof of Sarah Palin's upcoming memoir http://shelf-life.ew.com/2009/10/21/going-rouge-palin-basher-lookalike/\ . Exciting new growth sector in feminism: bashing women http://www.reclusiveleftist.com/2009/10/22/exciting-new-growth-sector-i\ n-feminism-bashing-women/By Violet http://www.reclusiveleftist.com/author/violet/ · Thursday, October 22nd, 2009 [palinbooks] Here's the list of contributors to Going Rouge, as per the publisher http://orbooks.com/ : With contributions by: Max Blumenthal, Joe Conason, Eve Ensler, Michelle Goldberg, Jane Hamsher, Christopher Hayes, Jim Hightower, Linda Hirshman, Naomi Klein, Dahlia Lithwick, Amanda Marcotte, Shannyn Moore, John Nichols, Katha Pollitt, Hanna Rosin, Matt Taibbi, Michael Tomasky, Rebecca Traister, Katrina vanden Heuvel, Jessica Valenti, Patricia Williams, JoAnn Wypijewski and Gary Younge. Are there any surprises in that list? No, there are not, Bob. Just about every feminist there is one of The Embarrassing Ones the women who became so infatuated with Obama and so punch-drunk on their own latent misogyny (towards Sarah Palin, Hillary Clinton, or both) that 2008 will live in infamy as the Year of Feminist Shame. Which is not to say that there isn't a place for criticism of Sarah Palin's politics; there is. She's a conservative Republican, and conservative Republican ideas are batshit and wrong and bad. Tear them apart, by all means. It's also entirely appropriate to assess Palin as a political figure, assuming that this can be done in a non-sexist way, with a feminist awareness of the double standard and the ways in which patriarchy informs and deforms everything it touches. But is that really what this book is going to be? Given the title and the list of contributors? Given that several of The Embarrassing Ones have a history of libeling Palin and attacking her in distressingly sexist terms? Given that these are the same folks whose woman-bashing last year was so nasty we're still trying to get the puke stains out of the carpet? Somehow I'm not hopeful.
