date:20110323

Yesterday I made one simple post about M.O. (Modus Operandi),
relating it to a theoretical FFL poster's oft-stated beliefs
in the non-existence of free will, contrasted with that 
theoretical person's M.O. of continually -- for *years* --
attacking and berating other people for not using their 
free will. I pointed out that this doesn't make any sense.
I just posted it for fun, and (to be honest) to see how 
long it would take the theoretical person whose M.O. I 
was describing to demonstrate that M.O. 

Six hours and seven posts later, the theoretical person is
*still* freaking out over the difference between her belief
system (her talk) and her M.O. (her walk) being pointed out,
even if theoretically. Meanwhile I just kicked back, read a
good book, and allowed her to rant, and thus demonstrate 
exactly the M.O. I was talking about. Do less, accomplish 
more.  :-)

I found a video this morning that kinda captured the whole
scene for me. In it, a character on a subway demands loudly 
to be treated with the respect he mistakenly believes is 
due him. This involves trying to intimidate everyone around 
him into calling what he'd *like* to be called, Bloody Loco. 
Completely unaware that everyone around him is thinking the 
last part of that name but leaving off the first part :-), 
he just won't stop -- some would say CAN'T stop -- harassing 
his victim. He keeps yelling at him, trying to get a reaction 
-- ANY reaction, as if he desperately *needs* that reaction 
to continue to believe in his own pitiful existence. 

The Bloody Loco guy's part in this video is rather sad.
But the cool part, and the part worth watching IMO, is 
performed by his intended victim, who does nothing more than 
sit there refusing to be victimized, and refusing to pay the 
loudmouth any attention. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tv91WSzBCeY

Does this video capture the scene at Fairfield Life, 
or what? NOTHING freaks out the people who get in other
people's faces in a desperate attempt to get their 
victims to focus on them than the intended victims 
*ignoring their silly asses*. 

It's like being ignored -- as if they didn't exist, or
weren't worth paying attention to if they did -- rein-
forces their deepest fears (that they don't, and aren't).
The more they're ignored, the more insane they get, and
the more they redouble their sad attempts to get 
their victims. 

The only thing I'm not quite sure of is which of the
posters on FFL whose M.O. this is to call Bloody 
Loco. There are at least three, and sometimes more,
posters whose M.O. this is, and who thus deserve the 
title. I guess I'll just have to wait to see which 
of them replies first to this post. That'll settle
things, and we'll all know who to call Bloody Loco 
from then on.  :-)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: We may not even be in Kali Yuga

2011-03-23 Thread Tom Pall

On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 3:40 AM, Ravi Yogi raviy...@att.net wrote:



 The fact that you and others are trying to discuss  it shows that we are
 still in the Kali Yuga..


The fact that you've not been rent asunder shows that we are still in Kali
Yuga.

[FairfieldLife] Re: We may not even be in Kali Yuga

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@... wrote:

 On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 3:40 AM, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote:
 
  The fact that you and others are trying to discuss  it shows that we
are
  still in the Kali Yuga..

 The fact that you've not been rent asunder shows that we are still in
Kali
 Yuga.

The fact that ANYONE is discussing Yugas as if they existed, and as if
there were any human being capable of knowing or describing what
happens in the universe in million-plus-year cycles shows how
insufferably
GULLIBLE people are, and how willing they are to settle for pat
answers,
as long as they have the magic buzzword Vedic attached to them.

What is most fascinating is that many of the people on this forum who
throw around terms like Satya-yuga and Kali-yuga as if they had
any meaning consider themselves rational, and even scientific while
relying on bullshit Iron Age Woo Woo. Here (from Wikipedia) is what
they really believe in when they use these terms. Sounds an awful lot
like believing in a bunch of gods and goddesses and what the painting
of a yagya I posted the other day depicted, doesn't it? If this super-
stitious crap came from any other culture people would laugh at it
like the...uh...superstitious crap it is. But as long as it's got the
V-word
attached to it, they believe in it fully. Go figure.

Yuga (DevanÄgari http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devanagari :
à¤¯à¥à¤) in Hindu philosophy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_philosophy  is the name of an
'epoch' or 'era' within a cycle of four ages. These are the Krita Yuga
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satya_Yuga , the Treta Yuga
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treta_Yuga , the Dvapara Yuga
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dvapara_Yuga , and finally the Kali Yuga
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kali_Yuga . According to Hindu cosmology
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_cosmology , life in the universe is
created, destroyed once every 4.1 to 8.2 billion years,[1]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yugas#cite_note-0 [2]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yugas#cite_note-1  which is one full day
(day and night) for Brahma http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahma . The
lifetime of a Brahma himself may be 311 trillion and 40 Billion
years.[1] http://veda.wikidot.com/srishti-and-pralaya   The cycles are
said to repeat like the seasons, waxing and waning  within a greater
time-cycle of the creation and destruction of the  universe. Like
Summer, Spring, Winter and Autumn, each yuga involves  stages or gradual
changes which the earth and the consciousness of  mankind goes through
as a whole. A complete yuga cycle from a high Golden Age
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Age  of enlightenment to a Dark
Age and back again is said to be caused by the solar system's motion
around another star.

According to the Laws of Manu, one of the earliest known texts 
describing the yugas, the length is 4800 years + 3600 years + 2400 years
+ 1200 years for a total of 12,000 years for one arc, or 24,000 years 
to complete the cycle (one precession of the equinox). There is no 
mention of a year of the demigods or any year longer than the solar 
year, which is consistent with description in The Holy Science.[3]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yugas#cite_note-holy-2   However, the
more recent and popular interpretation from the Srimad  Bhagavatam
states the following: The duration of the Satya millennium  equals
4,800 years of the years of the demigods
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deva_%28Hinduism%29 ;  the duration of
the DvÄpara millennium equals 2,400 years; and that of  the Kali
millennium is 1,200 years of the demigods... As aforementioned,  one
year of the demigods is equal to 360 years of the human beings. The
duration of the Satya-yuga is therefore 4,800 x 360, or 1,728,000 years.
The duration of the TretÄ-yuga is 3,600 x 360, or 1,296,000 years.
The duration of the DvÄpara-yuga is 2,400 x 360, or 864,000 years.
And the last, the Kali-yuga, is 1,200 x 360, or 432,000 years.
(ÅrÄ«mad BhÄgavatam 3.11.19) [2]
http://vedabase.net/sb/3/11/19/ . These 4 yugas follow a timeline
ratio of (4:3:2:1).

  [4 yugas.PNG]  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:4_yugas.PNG  
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yugas#cite_note-holy-2

The ages see a gradual decline of dharma, wisdom, knowledge, 
intellectual capability, life span, emotional and physical strength.

* Satya Yuga:- Virtue reigns supreme. Human stature was 21 cubits.
Average human lifespan was 400 years.
* Treta Yuga: - There was 3 quarter virtue  1 quarter sin. Normal
human stature was 14 cubits. Average human lifespan was 300 years.
* Dwapar Yuga: - There was 1 half virtue  1 half sin. Normal human
stature was 7 cubits. Average human lifespan was 200 years.
* Kali Yuga: - There was 1 quarter virtue  3 quarter sin.  Normal
human stature was 3.5 cubits. Average human lifespan will be 100  years.

While the long yuga count is the most popular it does not correlate to
any known celestial motion found in the Astronomical

[FairfieldLife] Chenobyl cleanup survivor's advice to Japan: Run away!

As counterpoint to the Believe what the government tells you talking
points being parroted by our resident Internet Expert, I thought I'd
post a little advice from someone who's Been There Done That with
believing what governments say in the wake of nuclear disasters.
Chernobyl Cleanup Survivor's Message for Japan: 'Run Away as Quickly as
Possible'Natalia Manzurova, one of the few survivors among those
directly  involved in the long cleanup of Chernobyl, was a 35-year-old
engineer at  a nuclear plant in Ozersk, Russia, in April 1986 when she
and 13 other  scientists were told to report to the wrecked, burning
plant in the  northern Ukraine.

It was just four days after the world's biggest nuclear disaster spewed 
enormous amounts of radiation into the atmosphere and forced the 
evacuation of 100,000 people.

Manzurova and her colleagues were among the roughly 800,000 cleaners 
or liquidators in charge of the removal and burial of all the 
contamination in what's still called the dead zone.

  [Natalia Manzurova]Natalia Manzurova, shown here in 1988 in the
dead zone of the  Pripyat, is one of the relatively few survivors
among those directly  involved in the cleanup of Chernobyl.  She spent 4
1/2 years helping clean the abandoned town of Pripyat, which  was less
than two miles from the Chernobyl reactors. The plant workers  lived
there before they were abruptly evacuated.

Manzurova, now 59 and an advocate for radiation victims worldwide, has 
the Chernobyl necklace -- a scar on her throat from the removal of her
thyroid -- and myriad health problems. But unlike the rest of her team 
members, who she said have all died from the results of radiation 
poisoning, and many other liquidators, she's alive.

AOL News spoke with Manzurova about the nuclear disaster in Japan with 
the help of a translator on the telephone Monday from Vermont. 
Manzurova, who still lives in Ozersk, was beginning a one-week
informational tour
http://www.beyondnuclear.org/storage/documents/Russians_US_March19_2011\
.pdf  of the U.S. organized by the Beyond Nuclear
http://www.beyondnuclear.org/  watchdog group.

AOL News: What was your first reaction when you heard about Fukushima?
Manzurova: It felt like déjà vu. I felt so worried for  the people
of Japan and the children especially. I know the experience  that awaits
them.

But experts say Fukushima is not as bad as Chernobyl.
Every nuclear accident is different, and the impact cannot be truly 
measured for years. The government does not always tell the truth. Many 
will never return to their homes. Their lives will be divided into two 
parts: before and after Fukushima. They'll worry about their health and 
their children's health. The government will probably say there was not 
that much radiation and that it didn't harm them. And the government 
will probably not compensate them for all that they've lost. What they 
lost can't be calculated.

What message do you have for Japan?
Run away as quickly as possible. Don't wait. Save yourself and don't 
rely on the government because the government lies. They don't want you 
to know the truth because the nuclear industry is so powerful.

  [Natalia Manzurova]

When you were called to go to Chernobyl, did you know how bad it was
there?
I had no idea and never knew the true scope until much later. It was all
covered in secrecy. I went there as a professional because I was told 
to -- but if I was asked to liquidate such an accident today, I'd never 
agree. The sacrifices the Fukushima workers are making are too high 
because the nuclear industry was developed in such a way that the 
executives don't hold themselves accountable to the human beings who 
have to clean up a disaster. It's like nuclear slavery.

What was your first impression of Chernobyl?
It was like a war zone where a neutron bomb had gone off. I always felt
I  was in the middle of a war where the enemy was invisible. All the 
houses and buildings were intact with all the furniture, but there 
wasn't a single person left. Just deep silence everywhere. Sometimes I 
felt I was the only person alive on a strange planet. There are really 
no words to describe it.

What did your work as a liquidator entail?
First, we measured radiation levels and got vegetation samples to see 
how high the contamination was. Then bulldozers dug holes in the ground 
and we buried everything -- houses, animals, everything. There were some
wild animals that were still alive, and we had to kill them and put 
them in the holes.

Were any pets left in the houses?
The people had only a few hours to leave, and they weren't allowed to 
take their dogs or cats with them. The radiation stays in animals' fur 
and they can't be cleaned, so they had to be abandoned. That's why 
people were crying when they left. All the animals left behind in the 
houses were like dried-out mummies. But we found one dog that was still 
alive.

Where did you find the dog and how did he survive?
We moved into a former

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: We may not even be in Kali Yuga

The only problem with this widespread presentation of the yugas is  
that they are more the result of early colonial translations than by  
the pundits who were aware of how they were to be interpreted. Each  
of these needs to be further divided into 71.42. This puts these more  
into human terms:


According to the traditional Indian calendar, which is still in use,  
the Kali Yuga commenced in 3012 B.C. If we accept this date for the  
beginning of Kali Yuga, the following cal-endar results:


Dawn of KritaYuga   58,042 B.C.
Beginning of Krita Yuga 56,026 B.C.
Beginning of Twilight   35,864 B.C.
Dawn of Treta Yuga  33, 848 B.C.
Beginning of Treta Yuga 32,336 B.C.
Beginning of Twilight   17,215 B.C.
Dawn of Dvapara Yuga15,703 B.C.
Beginning of Dvapara Yuga   14,695 B.C.
Beginning of Twilight   4,614 B.C.  
Dawn of Kali Yuga   3,606 B.C.
Kali Yuga   3,102 B.C.  

Middle of Kali Yuga 582 B.C.
Beginning of Twilight   A.D. 1,939  
End of Twilight of Kali YugaA.D. 2,442



The twilight of the Kali Yuga therefore would have started in 1939,  
in the month of May. The final catastrophe will take place during  
this twilight. The last traces of this present humankind will have  
disappeared in 2442. The figures, as we have seen, are accurate to  
within fifty years. Using these dates as a starting point and going  
back, we find that the first manifestation of humanity came forth in  
419,964 B.C., the second in 359,477 B.C., the third in 298,990 B.C.,  
the fourth in 238,503 B.C., the fifth in 178,016 B.C., the sixth in  
118,529 B.C. and the seventh in 58,042 B.C.


The beginning of the present human cycle, the seventh, in 58,042  
B.C., seems to correspond to the appearance of what we call Homo  
sapiens or Cro-Magnon man. The species that preceded this is probably  
that to which we give the name Neanderthal, whose brain capacity  
(1400 cm^3) was markedly superior to ours, which varies between 1,200  
cm^3 (Nordic males) and 650 cm^3 (Polynesian females); according to  
anthropological treatises, Neanderthal man probably dates back to  
118,000 B.C.


The first period, the Krita Yuga, is the age of accomplishment and  
wisdom (corresponding to the Golden Age of Hesiod). Including its  
dawn and twilight, it lasts 24,195 years. Next comes the Treta Yuga,  
the age of the three ritual fires, the age of rites but also of the  
hearth, that is, of sedentary, agricultural, and urban civilization.  
Its duration, counting the dawn and twilight, is 18,146 years in all.


The third age, the Dvapara Yuga or age of doubt sees the birth of  
the anti-establishment religions and philosophies. Man loses the  
sense of the divine reality of the world and grows away from natural  
law. The Dvapara Yuga lasts 10,081 years, and its dawn and twilight  
last 1,008 years each, a total of 12,097 years.


Finally comes the fourth age or age of conflict, the Kali Yuga. It  
lasts 5,040 years, and its dawn and twilight each last 504 years,  
totaling 6,048 years. It will end with the nearly total destruction  
of the present humanity.


The word Treta, triad, refers to the three ritual fires. Dvapara  
can mean after the two, but more especially doubt or  
uncertainty. Kali (two short syllables), which means quarrel or  
conflict, bears no relationship to Kali (long syllables), which is  
the name of the goddess, of the power of time and of death.



- from Danielou and his teacher, who was the leading student of SBS.



On Mar 23, 2011, at 7:11 AM, turquoiseb wrote:

Yuga (DevanÄgari: à¤¯à¥à¤—) in Hindu philosophy is the  
name of an 'epoch' or 'era' within a cycle of four ages. These are  
the Krita Yuga, the Treta Yuga, the Dvapara Yuga, and finally the  
Kali Yuga. According to Hindu cosmology, life in the universe is  
created, destroyed once every 4.1 to 8.2 billion years,[1][2] which  
is one full day (day and night) forBrahma. The lifetime of a Brahma  
himself may be 311 trillion and 40 Billion years.[1] The cycles are  
said to repeat like the seasons, waxing and waning within a greater  
time-cycle of the creation and destruction of the universe. Like  
Summer, Spring, Winter and Autumn, each yuga involves stages or  
gradual changes which the earth and the consciousness of mankind  
goes through as a whole. A complete yuga cycle from a high Golden  
Age of enlightenment to a Dark Age and back again is said to be  
caused by the solar system's motion around another star.


According to the Laws of Manu, one of the earliest known texts  
describing the yugas, the length is 4800 years + 3600 years + 2400  
years + 1200 years for a total of 12,000 years for one arc, or  
24,000 years to complete the cycle (one precession of

[FairfieldLife] Re: Chenobyl cleanup survivor's advice to Japan: Run away!

2011-03-23 Thread Alex Stanley



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:

 As counterpoint to the Believe what the government tells you
 talking points being parroted by our resident Internet Expert,
 I thought I'd post a little advice from someone who's Been There
 Done That with believing what governments say in the wake of 
 nuclear disasters.
 Chernobyl Cleanup Survivor's Message for Japan: 'Run Away as
 Quickly as Possible'Natalia Manzurova, one of the few survivors
 among those directly  involved in the long cleanup of Chernobyl,

I've been out of town again and haven't been following this topic closely, but 
I don't recall Judy denying that there is a serious radiation hazard in the 
immediate vicinity of the reactors, as there was and still is around Chernobyl. 
My perception is that Judy is countering the fear-based, Tinfoilhatistani 
proclamations that there is a serious radiation danger, here in the USA, 
thousands of miles away.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Chenobyl cleanup survivor's advice to Japan: Run away!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@... 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
 
  As counterpoint to the Believe what the government tells you
  talking points being parroted by our resident Internet Expert,
  I thought I'd post a little advice from someone who's Been There
  Done That with believing what governments say in the wake of 
  nuclear disasters.
  Chernobyl Cleanup Survivor's Message for Japan: 'Run Away as
  Quickly as Possible'Natalia Manzurova, one of the few survivors
  among those directly  involved in the long cleanup of Chernobyl,
 
 I've been out of town again and haven't been following this 
 topic closely, but I don't recall Judy denying that there 
 is a serious radiation hazard in the immediate vicinity of 
 the reactors, as there was and still is around Chernobyl. 
 My perception is that Judy is countering the fear-based, 
 Tinfoilhatistani proclamations that there is a serious 
 radiation danger, here in the USA, thousands of miles away.

And I'm just pointing out that GOVERNMENTS LIE.
The governments of France and Germany denied over
and over that there was any danger posed to French
or German citizens by Chernobyl. They said this
publicly while privately hosing down every truck
crossing their borders and (in really small print) 
advising people not to let their children play 
outside and to hold their breath as cars passed by. 

While I am aware that there is a lot of potential
tinfoilhattery in a situation like this, I think
that the history of the last few decades suggests
that anyone who believes what they are told by
their government is, simply put, a fool.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Chenobyl cleanup survivor's advice to Japan: Run away!


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:

 As counterpoint to the Believe what the government tells you talking
 points being parroted by our resident Internet Expert, I thought I'd
 post a little advice from someone who's Been There Done That with
 believing what governments say in the wake of nuclear disasters.

yep,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Zquk_DExKo





 Chernobyl Cleanup Survivor's Message for Japan: 'Run Away as Quickly as
 Possible'Natalia Manzurova, one of the few survivors among those
 directly  involved in the long cleanup of Chernobyl, was a 35-year-old
 engineer at  a nuclear plant in Ozersk, Russia, in April 1986 when she
 and 13 other  scientists were told to report to the wrecked, burning
 plant in the  northern Ukraine.
 
 It was just four days after the world's biggest nuclear disaster spewed 
 enormous amounts of radiation into the atmosphere and forced the 
 evacuation of 100,000 people.
 
 Manzurova and her colleagues were among the roughly 800,000 cleaners 
 or liquidators in charge of the removal and burial of all the 
 contamination in what's still called the dead zone.
 
   [Natalia Manzurova]Natalia Manzurova, shown here in 1988 in the
 dead zone of the  Pripyat, is one of the relatively few survivors
 among those directly  involved in the cleanup of Chernobyl.  She spent 4
 1/2 years helping clean the abandoned town of Pripyat, which  was less
 than two miles from the Chernobyl reactors. The plant workers  lived
 there before they were abruptly evacuated.
 
 Manzurova, now 59 and an advocate for radiation victims worldwide, has 
 the Chernobyl necklace -- a scar on her throat from the removal of her
 thyroid -- and myriad health problems. But unlike the rest of her team 
 members, who she said have all died from the results of radiation 
 poisoning, and many other liquidators, she's alive.
 
 AOL News spoke with Manzurova about the nuclear disaster in Japan with 
 the help of a translator on the telephone Monday from Vermont. 
 Manzurova, who still lives in Ozersk, was beginning a one-week
 informational tour
 http://www.beyondnuclear.org/storage/documents/Russians_US_March19_2011\
 .pdf  of the U.S. organized by the Beyond Nuclear
 http://www.beyondnuclear.org/  watchdog group.
 
 AOL News: What was your first reaction when you heard about Fukushima?
 Manzurova: It felt like déjà vu. I felt so worried for  the people
 of Japan and the children especially. I know the experience  that awaits
 them.
 
 But experts say Fukushima is not as bad as Chernobyl.
 Every nuclear accident is different, and the impact cannot be truly 
 measured for years. The government does not always tell the truth. Many 
 will never return to their homes. Their lives will be divided into two 
 parts: before and after Fukushima. They'll worry about their health and 
 their children's health. The government will probably say there was not 
 that much radiation and that it didn't harm them. And the government 
 will probably not compensate them for all that they've lost. What they 
 lost can't be calculated.
 
 What message do you have for Japan?
 Run away as quickly as possible. Don't wait. Save yourself and don't 
 rely on the government because the government lies. They don't want you 
 to know the truth because the nuclear industry is so powerful.
 
   [Natalia Manzurova]
 
 When you were called to go to Chernobyl, did you know how bad it was
 there?
 I had no idea and never knew the true scope until much later. It was all
 covered in secrecy. I went there as a professional because I was told 
 to -- but if I was asked to liquidate such an accident today, I'd never 
 agree. The sacrifices the Fukushima workers are making are too high 
 because the nuclear industry was developed in such a way that the 
 executives don't hold themselves accountable to the human beings who 
 have to clean up a disaster. It's like nuclear slavery.
 
 What was your first impression of Chernobyl?
 It was like a war zone where a neutron bomb had gone off. I always felt
 I  was in the middle of a war where the enemy was invisible. All the 
 houses and buildings were intact with all the furniture, but there 
 wasn't a single person left. Just deep silence everywhere. Sometimes I 
 felt I was the only person alive on a strange planet. There are really 
 no words to describe it.
 
 What did your work as a liquidator entail?
 First, we measured radiation levels and got vegetation samples to see 
 how high the contamination was. Then bulldozers dug holes in the ground 
 and we buried everything -- houses, animals, everything. There were some
 wild animals that were still alive, and we had to kill them and put 
 them in the holes.
 
 Were any pets left in the houses?
 The people had only a few hours to leave, and they weren't allowed to 
 take their dogs or cats with them. The radiation stays in animals' fur 
 and they can't be cleaned, so they had to be abandoned. That's why 
 people were

[FairfieldLife] Re: Chenobyl cleanup survivor's advice to Japan: Run away!

Yup, absolutely.  come to meditation.  Grab it by the horns friends,
before its too late.  We got choices, and coming to Fairfield is one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1xSYyMDaq4 




 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
 
  As counterpoint to the Believe what the government tells you talking
  points being parroted by our resident Internet Expert, I thought I'd
  post a little advice from someone who's Been There Done That with
  believing what governments say in the wake of nuclear disasters.
 
 yep,
Turn up yur sound! 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Zquk_DExKo
 
 
 
 
 
  Chernobyl Cleanup Survivor's Message for Japan: 'Run Away as Quickly as
  Possible'Natalia Manzurova, one of the few survivors among those
  directly  involved in the long cleanup of Chernobyl, was a 35-year-old
  engineer at  a nuclear plant in Ozersk, Russia, in April 1986 when she
  and 13 other  scientists were told to report to the wrecked, burning
  plant in the  northern Ukraine.
  
  It was just four days after the world's biggest nuclear disaster spewed 
  enormous amounts of radiation into the atmosphere and forced the 
  evacuation of 100,000 people.
  
  Manzurova and her colleagues were among the roughly 800,000 cleaners 
  or liquidators in charge of the removal and burial of all the 
  contamination in what's still called the dead zone.
  
[Natalia Manzurova]Natalia Manzurova, shown here in 1988 in the
  dead zone of the  Pripyat, is one of the relatively few survivors
  among those directly  involved in the cleanup of Chernobyl.  She spent 4
  1/2 years helping clean the abandoned town of Pripyat, which  was less
  than two miles from the Chernobyl reactors. The plant workers  lived
  there before they were abruptly evacuated.
  
  Manzurova, now 59 and an advocate for radiation victims worldwide, has 
  the Chernobyl necklace -- a scar on her throat from the removal of her
  thyroid -- and myriad health problems. But unlike the rest of her team 
  members, who she said have all died from the results of radiation 
  poisoning, and many other liquidators, she's alive.
  
  AOL News spoke with Manzurova about the nuclear disaster in Japan with 
  the help of a translator on the telephone Monday from Vermont. 
  Manzurova, who still lives in Ozersk, was beginning a one-week
  informational tour
  http://www.beyondnuclear.org/storage/documents/Russians_US_March19_2011\
  .pdf  of the U.S. organized by the Beyond Nuclear
  http://www.beyondnuclear.org/  watchdog group.
  
  AOL News: What was your first reaction when you heard about Fukushima?
  Manzurova: It felt like déjà vu. I felt so worried for  the people
  of Japan and the children especially. I know the experience  that awaits
  them.
  
  But experts say Fukushima is not as bad as Chernobyl.
  Every nuclear accident is different, and the impact cannot be truly 
  measured for years. The government does not always tell the truth. Many 
  will never return to their homes. Their lives will be divided into two 
  parts: before and after Fukushima. They'll worry about their health and 
  their children's health. The government will probably say there was not 
  that much radiation and that it didn't harm them. And the government 
  will probably not compensate them for all that they've lost. What they 
  lost can't be calculated.
  
  What message do you have for Japan?
  Run away as quickly as possible. Don't wait. Save yourself and don't 
  rely on the government because the government lies. They don't want you 
  to know the truth because the nuclear industry is so powerful.
  
[Natalia Manzurova]
  
  When you were called to go to Chernobyl, did you know how bad it was
  there?
  I had no idea and never knew the true scope until much later. It was all
  covered in secrecy. I went there as a professional because I was told 
  to -- but if I was asked to liquidate such an accident today, I'd never 
  agree. The sacrifices the Fukushima workers are making are too high 
  because the nuclear industry was developed in such a way that the 
  executives don't hold themselves accountable to the human beings who 
  have to clean up a disaster. It's like nuclear slavery.
  
  What was your first impression of Chernobyl?
  It was like a war zone where a neutron bomb had gone off. I always felt
  I  was in the middle of a war where the enemy was invisible. All the 
  houses and buildings were intact with all the furniture, but there 
  wasn't a single person left. Just deep silence everywhere. Sometimes I 
  felt I was the only person alive on a strange planet. There are really 
  no words to describe it.
  
  What did your work as a liquidator entail?
  First, we measured radiation levels and got vegetation samples to see 
  how high the contamination was. Then bulldozers dug holes in the ground 
  and we buried everything -- houses, animals, everything. There were some
  wild animals that were still alive, and we had to

[FairfieldLife] Iodine Pills: What to Tell Patients

Iodine Pills: What to Tell PatientsChristine Wiebe, MAAuthors and DisclosuresPosted: 03/18/2011Clinicians in the United States are hearing from patients -- and other healthcare providers -- who want to know whether they should buy potassium iodide (KI) tablets to counteract possible radiation exposure, reacting to the unfolding disaster in Japan. Although the role of KI pills has been discussed for decades, many people still don't know the guidelines for stocking or taking them, says Richard T. Kloos, MD, Chief Operating Officer of the American Thyroid Association (ATA).Dr. Richard T. KloosThe bottom line is fairly simple, says Dr. Kloos: "There's no reason that the American public should take these now." However, this issue surpasses the current situation in Japan, he says, and clinicians should familiarize themselves with the evidence so that they can provide informed guidance to patients."We would like the American public to be knowledgeable and informed, but now is not the time for Americans to panic," Dr. Kloos says. "I don't think the American public is at any risk, and I don't think they should be taking any prophylaxis unless a reliable source tells them to do so."Potential Side EffectsAlthough KI is considered very safe (the iodine is the same as that found in table salt) clinicians should make patients aware of the rare but real risks, says Dr. Kloos, who is also Co-Director of The Ohio State University Thyroid Cancer Unit in Columbus, Ohio. Allergic reactions are always a concern."When large populations took potassium iodide in Poland after Chernobyl, it was shown to be quite safe," he says. "But small numbers of people did experience things like skin rashes, abdominal discomfort, and vomiting."In addition, the same process that makes iodine protective in radiation exposure can also alter thyroid function in the longer term. The thyroid acts like a sponge in the presence of iodine, so saturating it with regular iodine prevents the uptake of radioactive iodine found in nuclear fallout.If someone continues to take KI pills over a period of time, the thyroid may shut down and the person may develop hypothyroidism, Dr. Kloos says. Alternatively, people with overactive thyroids could also develop complications."Iodine is a fuel for our thyroids," Dr. Kloos says. "If you dump in fuel, some people could exacerbate their hyperthyroidism."The main take-away point to give patients, says Dr. Kloos, is that if there's no benefit from KI supplementation, as in the absence of radiation exposure, then even these low-level risks are unacceptable. Given the vast distance that any radiation from Japan would have to travel, US residents have no cause for concern.KI's Role in Overall ResponseThe larger issue is whether people should stock KI pills in the event that they are exposed to radiation. The controversy stems from several issues, including: disagreements about how large an area would be affected quickly in the event of a nuclear accident; concerns that widespread distribution of KI pills would give people a false sense of security, given that the pills only protect against thyroid cancer and not against other radionuclides or other body organs; and concerns that a wider distribution would undermine the public's confidence in the safety of nuclear power. The US Nuclear Regulatory Commission provides KI pills to states with nuclear power plants, enabling (but not requiring) them to distribute the pills to residents within 10 miles of a plant.[1] In 2002, Congress ordered that the distance be extended to 20 miles, but in 2008 the Bush Administration invoked a waiver to override that provision. The new ruling said that the 10-mile radius was adequate because the primary focus would be on evacuation and avoidance of contaminated food and water.In contrast, the ATA's position since 1984 has been that KI pills should be distributed to households within 50 miles of a nuclear power plant and should be available to those within a 200-mile radius.[2] In fact, it cites evidence from the Chernobyl nuclear accident to support its position:After the 1986 Chornobyl (formerly called "Chernobyl") nuclear accident, shifting winds blew a radioactive cloud all over Europe. As many as 3,000 people exposed to that radiation have already developed thyroid cancer. Most victims had been babies or young children living in Ukraine, Belarus, or Russia at the time of the accident. According to a UN report released in February 2002, another 8,000 to 10,000 exposed people may develop thyroid cancer within the next 10 years. Poland, immediately adjacent to Belarus and Ukraine, distributed KI to its people and does not appear to have had an increase in thyroid cancer.[2]"We think the disaster zone for a drug that is potentially cancer preventive with limited side effects -- and one that is hard to distribute after a disaster -- needs to be distributed beforehand to people within 50 miles," says Dr. Kloos. The ATA supports the

[FairfieldLife] Stand Still

Stand still in all that is pure.
after you see yourselves,
and then mercy comes in.
After you see your thoughts and temptations,
do not think, but submit,
and then power comes.
Stand still in that which shows and discovers,
 and there strength immediately comes,
And earthly reason will tell you what you shall lose;
Do not listen to that,
But stand still in the light that shows you,
and then strength comes from the Lord
and help contrary to your expectations, 
Then you grow up in peace, and no trouble shall move you.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Chenobyl cleanup survivor's advice to Japan: Run away!

2011-03-23 Thread authfriend

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
  
   As counterpoint to the Believe what the government
   tells you talking points being parroted by our resident
   Internet Expert, I thought I'd post a little advice from
   someone who's Been There Done That with believing what 
   governments say in the wake of nuclear disasters.
   Chernobyl Cleanup Survivor's Message for Japan: 'Run Away
   as Quickly as Possible'Natalia Manzurova, one of the few 
   survivors among those directly  involved in the long
   cleanup of Chernobyl,
  
  I've been out of town again and haven't been following this 
  topic closely, but I don't recall Judy denying that there 
  is a serious radiation hazard in the immediate vicinity of 
  the reactors, as there was and still is around Chernobyl. 
  My perception is that Judy is countering the fear-based, 
  Tinfoilhatistani proclamations that there is a serious 
  radiation danger, here in the USA, thousands of miles away.

Of course, Alex is correct, and Barry is wrong. That's
because Alex has read my posts, and Barry has not; he's
furious because I made three (not seven, as he claims)
posts making fun of his M.O. post, so he's making up
stuff about my posts concerning the radiation hazards 
from Japan, fantasizing about what he *wishes* I'd said
so he could demonize me some more.

And in so doing, he's made a fool of himself *again*.

Nowhere did I say or suggest Believe what the governement
tells you, nor would I.

Barry is, ludicrously, apparently unaware that there are
sources *independent of government*, sources who are at
least as distrustful of what the government says as
Bhairitu, who discuss radiation hazards, such as the
Union of Concerned Scientists. The UCS doesn't think
there's any radiation danger to U.S. residents at this
point. And they're the only folks I've quoted on the
topic.

(I haven't said anything at all about what the Japanese
should do. But for the record, I think they should be
even *less* trustful of their government.)

Now watch Barry *continue to make a fool of himself*,
even after Alex has clued him in:

 And I'm just pointing out that GOVERNMENTS LIE.

A complete non sequitur to what Alex said and what
I said. It's as if he didn't read Alex's post either.

(Oh, and he wasn't just pointing out that GOVERNMENTS
LIE. He was claiming, falsely--see quote at the top--
that I had been parroting government talking points.)

 The governments of France and Germany denied over
 and over that there was any danger posed to French
 or German citizens by Chernobyl. They said this
 publicly while privately hosing down every truck
 crossing their borders and (in really small print) 
 advising people not to let their children play 
 outside and to hold their breath as cars passed by. 

Right. And...? Just for the record, France and
Germany were a lot closer to Chernobyl than the U.S.
is to Fukushima, which is why independent experts
say there's no hazard to the U.S.

So what point, exactly, does Barry think he's making?

He got caught saying something REELY
STPID, and how does he try to defend himself?
By saying something even STOOOPIDER.

This is Barry's M.O., has been ever since I first
encountered him.

 While I am aware that there is a lot of potential
 tinfoilhattery in a situation like this, I think
 that the history of the last few decades suggests
 that anyone who believes what they are told by
 their government is, simply put, a fool.

I agree. Both in the U.S. and in Japan, folks should
listen to what the *independent experts* say, the
people who are on record as not trusting their
governments.

(Perhaps an even bigger concern in the U.S. is the
media, which have been sensationalizing what's
happening in Japan and are responsible for most of
the unnecessary fear and panic spreading here.)

[FairfieldLife] Re: We may not even be in Kali Yuga

2011-03-23 Thread whynotnow7

You really enjoy being the ultimate conformist Turq, don't you? - Anything that 
cannot be proven by your god of empiricism or that which is not commonly 
accepted is fair game for you. You pretend to be some sort of rebel in terms of 
jay walking or small acts of defiance, but everything you write has 
conformist and follower written all over it. Some of us just aren't like 
that. Go figure.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@ wrote:
 
  On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 3:40 AM, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote:
  
   The fact that you and others are trying to discuss  it shows that we
 are
   still in the Kali Yuga..
 
  The fact that you've not been rent asunder shows that we are still in
 Kali
  Yuga.
 
 The fact that ANYONE is discussing Yugas as if they existed, and as if
 there were any human being capable of knowing or describing what
 happens in the universe in million-plus-year cycles shows how
 insufferably
 GULLIBLE people are, and how willing they are to settle for pat
 answers,
 as long as they have the magic buzzword Vedic attached to them.
 
 What is most fascinating is that many of the people on this forum who
 throw around terms like Satya-yuga and Kali-yuga as if they had
 any meaning consider themselves rational, and even scientific while
 relying on bullshit Iron Age Woo Woo. Here (from Wikipedia) is what
 they really believe in when they use these terms. Sounds an awful lot
 like believing in a bunch of gods and goddesses and what the painting
 of a yagya I posted the other day depicted, doesn't it? If this super-
 stitious crap came from any other culture people would laugh at it
 like the...uh...superstitious crap it is. But as long as it's got the
 V-word
 attached to it, they believe in it fully. Go figure.
 
 Yuga (DevanÄgari http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devanagari :
 à¤¯à¥à¤) in Hindu philosophy
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_philosophy  is the name of an
 'epoch' or 'era' within a cycle of four ages. These are the Krita Yuga
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satya_Yuga , the Treta Yuga
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treta_Yuga , the Dvapara Yuga
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dvapara_Yuga , and finally the Kali Yuga
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kali_Yuga . According to Hindu cosmology
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_cosmology , life in the universe is
 created, destroyed once every 4.1 to 8.2 billion years,[1]
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yugas#cite_note-0 [2]
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yugas#cite_note-1  which is one full day
 (day and night) for Brahma http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahma . The
 lifetime of a Brahma himself may be 311 trillion and 40 Billion
 years.[1] http://veda.wikidot.com/srishti-and-pralaya   The cycles are
 said to repeat like the seasons, waxing and waning  within a greater
 time-cycle of the creation and destruction of the  universe. Like
 Summer, Spring, Winter and Autumn, each yuga involves  stages or gradual
 changes which the earth and the consciousness of  mankind goes through
 as a whole. A complete yuga cycle from a high Golden Age
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Age  of enlightenment to a Dark
 Age and back again is said to be caused by the solar system's motion
 around another star.
 
 According to the Laws of Manu, one of the earliest known texts 
 describing the yugas, the length is 4800 years + 3600 years + 2400 years
 + 1200 years for a total of 12,000 years for one arc, or 24,000 years 
 to complete the cycle (one precession of the equinox). There is no 
 mention of a year of the demigods or any year longer than the solar 
 year, which is consistent with description in The Holy Science.[3]
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yugas#cite_note-holy-2   However, the
 more recent and popular interpretation from the Srimad  Bhagavatam
 states the following: The duration of the Satya millennium  equals
 4,800 years of the years of the demigods
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deva_%28Hinduism%29 ;  the duration of
 the DvÄpara millennium equals 2,400 years; and that of  the Kali
 millennium is 1,200 years of the demigods... As aforementioned,  one
 year of the demigods is equal to 360 years of the human beings. The
 duration of the Satya-yuga is therefore 4,800 x 360, or 1,728,000 years.
 The duration of the TretÄ-yuga is 3,600 x 360, or 1,296,000 years.
 The duration of the DvÄpara-yuga is 2,400 x 360, or 864,000 years.
 And the last, the Kali-yuga, is 1,200 x 360, or 432,000 years.
 (ÅrÄ«mad BhÄgavatam 3.11.19) [2]
 http://vedabase.net/sb/3/11/19/ . These 4 yugas follow a timeline
 ratio of (4:3:2:1).
 
   [4 yugas.PNG]  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:4_yugas.PNG  
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yugas#cite_note-holy-2
 
 The ages see a gradual decline of dharma, wisdom, knowledge, 
 intellectual capability, life span, emotional and physical strength.
 
 * Satya Yuga:- Virtue reigns supreme. Human stature was 21 cubits.
 Average human lifespan was

[FairfieldLife] HHDL: Free will

HH the 14 Dalai Lama answers questions after a Dzogchen teaching in  
San Jose, CA in 1989:

Question: Do sentient beings have free will?

HHDL: According to Buddhism, individuals are masters of their own  
destiny. And all living beings are believed to possess the nature of  
the Primordial Buddha Samantabhadra [the All Good], the potential  
or seed of enlightenment, within them. So our future is in our own  
hands. What greater free will do we need?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Chenobyl cleanup survivor's advice to Japan: Run away!

2011-03-23 Thread Joe


Much like people who believe that sending money to something called the  
Brahmanada Saraswati Foundation in order for a giant Maharishi Yagya to be 
performed will have an effect other than enriching MMY's family.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
  
   As counterpoint to the Believe what the government tells you
   talking points being parroted by our resident Internet Expert,
   I thought I'd post a little advice from someone who's Been There
   Done That with believing what governments say in the wake of 
   nuclear disasters.
   Chernobyl Cleanup Survivor's Message for Japan: 'Run Away as
   Quickly as Possible'Natalia Manzurova, one of the few survivors
   among those directly  involved in the long cleanup of Chernobyl,
  
  I've been out of town again and haven't been following this 
  topic closely, but I don't recall Judy denying that there 
  is a serious radiation hazard in the immediate vicinity of 
  the reactors, as there was and still is around Chernobyl. 
  My perception is that Judy is countering the fear-based, 
  Tinfoilhatistani proclamations that there is a serious 
  radiation danger, here in the USA, thousands of miles away.
 
 And I'm just pointing out that GOVERNMENTS LIE.
 The governments of France and Germany denied over
 and over that there was any danger posed to French
 or German citizens by Chernobyl. They said this
 publicly while privately hosing down every truck
 crossing their borders and (in really small print) 
 advising people not to let their children play 
 outside and to hold their breath as cars passed by. 
 
 While I am aware that there is a lot of potential
 tinfoilhattery in a situation like this, I think
 that the history of the last few decades suggests
 that anyone who believes what they are told by
 their government is, simply put, a fool.

[FairfieldLife] Re: We may not even be in Kali Yuga



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote:

 The fact that you and others are trying to discuss  it shows that we are
 still in the Kali Yuga..:-), but seriously there are other god-realized
 Gurus that do believe this is Kali Yuga and its hard for me personally
 to think otherwise or agree with Sri Yukteshwar.


Who really knows, who COULD really know except a God Realized Saint? My point 
is who ya gonna believe? (For Turq: yes, the ultimate 'proof' of anything is 
direct experience and then only YOU can prove it to yourself, not anyone else).

I think the weight of the argument has to consider the character of the 
proponent of that knowledge, in TM it apparently all comes from books, which 
are good, though secondary to intuition (direct cognition).

The ancient scriptures the tmorg uses may have been God inspired at some point, 
but who knows how reliable they are today? And they are, of course subject to 
human interpretation/error just like the Bible.

[FairfieldLife] Re: M.O., cont. (cool, calm free will harassed by Bloody Loco determinism)

2011-03-23 Thread authfriend

See Barry. See Barry ignoring Judy. ;-)

Barry *really* doesn't like being made fun of. When he
makes a RLY STOOPID post and gets called on
it, he gets furious and riddled with anxiety. And what
does he do to try to save face? Make more posts that are
even STOPIDEER. That's what's such a kick about
making fun of him: his M.O. is to provide in response
even more opportunities to do so.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:

 Yesterday I made one simple post about M.O. (Modus Operandi),
 relating it to a theoretical FFL poster's

PST, Barry, everybody knows this isn't a hypothetical
FFL poster you're talking about.

 oft-stated beliefs in the non-existence of free will,

Not beliefs--suppositions, as I've already pointed out.

 contrasted with that 
 theoretical person's M.O. of continually -- for *years* --
 attacking and berating other people for not using their 
 free will. I pointed out that this doesn't make any sense.
 I just posted it for fun, and (to be honest) to see how 
 long it would take the theoretical person whose M.O. I 
 was describing to demonstrate that M.O.

But unfortunately, she didn't. She made fun of him instead.
That's why he's so upset; he didn't get the reaction he
was hoping for.

 Six hours and seven posts later,

Three posts, not seven.

 the theoretical person is
 *still* freaking out over the difference between her belief
 system (her talk) and her M.O. (her walk) being pointed out,

Not my belief system.

But what Barry has never been able to grasp about the
*supposition* of determinism is that *the difference
is part of it*. It's not a bug, it's a feature. It's
not possible, *according to determinism itself*, to
walk the talk. You could *pretend* to do so, but
that would be STOOPID.

wayback and I and others have explained this to him
over and over and OVER again, but he resists 
understanding it tooth and nail, and makes himself ever
more ridiculous thereby.

 even if theoretically. Meanwhile I just kicked back, read a
 good book, and allowed her to rant, and thus demonstrate 
 exactly the M.O. I was talking about. Do less, accomplish 
 more.  :-)

But when he read yesterday's posts, he discovered he had
a whole lot more to accomplish than he thought. So he's
found it necessary to be very busy this morning.

snip
 Does this video capture the scene at Fairfield Life, 
 or what? NOTHING freaks out the people who get in other
 people's faces in a desperate attempt to get their 
 victims to focus on them than the intended victims 
 *ignoring their silly asses*. 
 
 It's like being ignored -- as if they didn't exist, or
 weren't worth paying attention to if they did -- rein-
 forces their deepest fears (that they don't, and aren't).
 The more they're ignored, the more insane they get, and
 the more they redouble their sad attempts to get 
 their victims.

And this post of Barry's is Exhibit A of how steadfastly
he ignores my silly ass. His next two posts, falsely
accusing me of parroting government talking points
about radiation, are Exhibit B.

This too is Barry's M.O.

Since this is my last post for the week, Barry has more
than two days' worth of opportunities to demonstrate how
he's ignoring me. We'll see how many more exhibits there
are to make fun of by the time I return.

[FairfieldLife] Re: HHDL: Free will



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote:

 HH the 14 Dalai Lama answers questions after a Dzogchen teaching in  
 San Jose, CA in 1989:
 
 Question: Do sentient beings have free will?
 
 HHDL: According to Buddhism, individuals are masters of their own  
 destiny. And all living beings are believed to possess the nature of  
 the Primordial Buddha Samantabhadra [the All Good], the potential  
 or seed of enlightenment, within them. So our future is in our own  
 hands. What greater free will do we need?

This is true BUT, the soul must be redeemed from the entanglements of matter 
(i.e. attachment of the senses to their objects, material attachment, ego, 
etc.).

It's all about redemption, we have to 'redeem' the 'coupon' of enlightenment 
that we ALL currently hold to free our soul from bondage, rebirth, death, old 
age and disease, etc.

The sadhanas (spiritual practices) are the means, Reality is the end, (in spite 
of what that dope Krishnamurti says :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: M.O., cont. (free will harassed by Bloody Loco determinism)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote:

 See Barry. See Barry ignoring Judy.

See Barry shooting fish in a barrel. She's outa 
here for the week, *and* earns the new name
Bloody Loco in the process. :-)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: HHDL: Free will



On Mar 23, 2011, at 11:35 AM, wgm4u wrote:

This is true BUT, the soul must be redeemed from the entanglements  
of matter (i.e. attachment of the senses to their objects, material  
attachment, ego, etc.).


Soul?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Chenobyl cleanup survivor's advice to Japan: Run away!

On 03/23/2011 06:08 AM, turquoiseb wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanleyj_alexander_stanley@... 
  wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoisebno_reply@  wrote:
 As counterpoint to the Believe what the government tells you
 talking points being parroted by our resident Internet Expert,
 I thought I'd post a little advice from someone who's Been There
 Done That with believing what governments say in the wake of
 nuclear disasters.
 Chernobyl Cleanup Survivor's Message for Japan: 'Run Away as
 Quickly as Possible'Natalia Manzurova, one of the few survivors
 among those directly  involved in the long cleanup of Chernobyl,
 I've been out of town again and haven't been following this
 topic closely, but I don't recall Judy denying that there
 is a serious radiation hazard in the immediate vicinity of
 the reactors, as there was and still is around Chernobyl.
 My perception is that Judy is countering the fear-based,
 Tinfoilhatistani proclamations that there is a serious
 radiation danger, here in the USA, thousands of miles away.
 And I'm just pointing out that GOVERNMENTS LIE.
 The governments of France and Germany denied over
 and over that there was any danger posed to French
 or German citizens by Chernobyl. They said this
 publicly while privately hosing down every truck
 crossing their borders and (in really small print)
 advising people not to let their children play
 outside and to hold their breath as cars passed by.

 While I am aware that there is a lot of potential
 tinfoilhattery in a situation like this, I think
 that the history of the last few decades suggests
 that anyone who believes what they are told by
 their government is, simply put, a fool.

Indeed, plus in the US our legislators are obviously owned by the 
banking, military and energy industries.  So they are definitely going 
to water down any threat about radiation.  The point is that it only can 
take as little as one atom of some of these particles to give you 
cancer.  That's what was in the videos I posted here though I swear some 
folks watched a different video than I.   Of course most of us old farts 
here will probably die before any cancer can kill because it can 20 
years or more for some of these cancers to occur.  So FFL'ers can feel 
free to dance naked in the rain if they want. :-D

[FairfieldLife] Teabagger Gov. of Maine insists labor murals go


Another knife in the back of the American worker:

Paul Le teabag LePage is insisting the State of Maine tear down the  
murals which depict it's labor history. Buh-bye Rosie the Riveter...


Maine governor: remove labor mural from labor dept.
The Associated Press
Posted March 23, 2011, at 10:56 a.m.

AUGUSTA, Maine  — Maine Gov. Paul LePage has ordered the removal of a  
36-foot mural depicting the state’s labor history from the lobby of  
the Department of Labor headquarters building in Augusta.


In addition, the LePage administration is renaming several department  
conference rooms that carry the names of pro-labor icons such as  
Cesar Chavez.


LePage spokesman Dan Demeritt says the mural and the conference room  
names are not in keeping with the department’s pro-business goals and  
some business owners complained.


The mural was erected in 2008. It depicts several moments in Maine  
labor history, including a 1937 shoe mill strike in Auburn and  
Lewiston and “Rosie the Riveter” at the Bath Iron Works.


The Sun Journal newspaper says some worker advocates feel the move is  
a “mean-spirited” provocation.

[FairfieldLife] Best symphony orchestra in the whole world?

2011-03-23 Thread cardemaister


According to Mr. Viktor Klimenko, a Russian who's been
living in Finland almost all his life, the best symphony
orchestra in the world is in...uh... North-Korea!?

He's been visiting that country six times. He said
some world famous opera singers, and stuff, agree with
him!

Klimenko singing Jerusalaim in Swedish/Hebrew?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeW9jyw1vnk

[FairfieldLife] 1935 documentary on the war racket

Dealers in Death is an 1935 documentary that explains the war racket.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8562493278519566041#

Needs a better copy uploaded but I looked on Archive.org and it isn't 
there.

[FairfieldLife] Re: HHDL: Free will

Soul travel, or rising above bodily consciousness, is the goal of Sant Mat (a 
dualistic Sidhi in the Advaitic context). Nevertheless, the attainment of this 
Sidhi according to Sant Mat teachings is sufficient for ending reincarnation.

Kirpal Singh states:
Nobody can see the soul with these outer eyes and as such it is beyond the ken 
of human comprehension to know it. The soul is the enlivening Principle 
pervading the human body and it can be realized within by introversion when the 
senses are controlled, mind stilled and the intellect silenced.  from 
Ruhanisatsang.
...
IOW, the Sant Mat objective is freeing the Soul from the entanglements of 
matter, specifically the physical body and rising above it through the 3-rd 
eye aperture. 
 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote:

 
 On Mar 23, 2011, at 11:35 AM, wgm4u wrote:
 
  This is true BUT, the soul must be redeemed from the entanglements  
  of matter (i.e. attachment of the senses to their objects, material  
  attachment, ego, etc.).
 
 Soul?

[FairfieldLife] Review of Aftershock

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/26/books/review/Mallaby-t.html

[FairfieldLife] review of Wiidemer's Aftershock

(a different book than the previous Aftershock):
http://www.palmbeachdailynews.com/business/aftershock-authors-david-robert-wiedemer-warn-of-more-615786.html

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: HHDL: Free will



On Mar 23, 2011, at 1:22 PM, yifuxero wrote:

Soul travel, or rising above bodily consciousness, is the goal of  
Sant Mat (a dualistic Sidhi in the Advaitic context). Nevertheless,  
the attainment of this Sidhi according to Sant Mat teachings is  
sufficient for ending reincarnation.


Kirpal Singh states:
Nobody can see the soul with these outer eyes and as such it is  
beyond the ken of human comprehension to know it. The soul is the  
enlivening Principle pervading the human body and it can be  
realized within by introversion when the senses are controlled,  
mind stilled and the intellect silenced.  from Ruhanisatsang.

...
IOW, the Sant Mat objective is freeing the Soul from the  
entanglements of matter, specifically the physical body and rising  
above it through the 3-rd eye aperture.



I've got some bad news. Sorry, but there is no soul-monad:

Do We Actually Exist?
'I THINK, THEREFORE I AM' DOESN'T ALWAYS HOLD TRUE


By Mark Russell,  Newser Staff

Posted Mar 21, 2011 4:30 AM CDT

(NEWSER) – The fact that we exist is inarguable, right? After all, if  
the world were just a dream, we'd need to be dreaming to experience  
it, writes Julian Baggini for the Independent. Maybe not. Throughout  
the ages, people have claimed that the self actually doesn't exist— 
and such claims are gathering steam, and not just among meditators  
and mystics. Baggini looks at some of the scientific evidence being  
used to deny Descartes' famed I think, therefore I am. Those  
suffering from Cotard's syndrome, for example, think they don't  
exist; some people with temporal lobe epilepsy see the world as real,  
but not themselves (there is thought, but they have no idea whose  
thought it is).


And then there are people who, far from lacking a sense of self, have  
too many, and not just people with dissociative identity disorder— 
those who have had the hemispheres of their brain separated can end  
up with two centers of consciousness. What these pathologies show is  
that one's experience of the world does not have to be linked to a  
sense of a self at the center of it. But that is not to say that the  
self doesn't exist. Baggini tries to illustrate this with a Buddhist  
analogy that likens a person to a cart. There is no cart, only the  
wheel, the axle, the flat bed and so on. In the same way, there is no  
self, only experiences, thoughts, and sensations. But, of course,  
there is a cart—it's just that it is nothing other than the ordered  
collection of parts. In the same way, there is a self—it is simply no  
more than the ordered collection of all our experience.



http://www.newser.com/story/114558/do-we-exist.html

[FairfieldLife] Re: HHDL: Free will

Nope: Ultimately, on that level, there's nothing apart from the Self; but 
conventionally, rocks, trees, people, birds, etc, exist.  That's existence, a 
word that may be preferred over Brahman.
In any event, whether there's a Soul or not depends upon one's definition, of 
course.  In Sant Mat, there clearly and emphatically is a Soul, which may 
simply be a causal subtle body. 
...
According to Sant Mat (refer to any of the online teachings of Kirpal Singh); 
some entity rises above the physical body, exiting through the 3-rd eye 
aperature.  This entity (called the Soul by Sant Mat Masters); makes gradual 
progress over time through the Grace of the Master and intense, committed 
Sadhana (repetition of the 5 Names).
...
Eventually, the Soul reaches the 5-th plane, i.e. merges with the Atman and 
fulfills MMY's definition of CC although from a different modus operandi.
...
The basic entity under consideration in Sant Mat is the Soul, (the causal 
subtle body).
...
The real question is, does anything exist, not whether the Soul exists. If 
indeed, there is a universe, and things exist conventionally and dualistically, 
then we can categorize those entities into various subsets such as types of 
bodies.
...
In the Sant Mat context, the Soul is the main entity under consideration, and 
the Soul's goal is to attain Self-Realization (basically equivalent to MMY's 
CC) and God Consciousness (essentially the same as MMY's GC).
...
Sant Mat gives little consideration to ultimate Realization (Unity, 
Enlightenment, Sahaja yoga, etc, per Ramana Maharshi). However, even in 
Ramana's case, after Realization the Soul or many such bodies may exist in 
various lokas.
...
Please refer  the previous post on Ramana Maharshi on the Lokas, in which he 
stated I have at this moment twenty different bodies working in twenty 
different lokas.
...
These relative bodies can be considered multiplicities of the Soul.  So the 
Soul exists.
...
But again, all of such talk is pursuant to the premise that the universe 
exists, which nobody has proven but it's taken as a self-evident Axiom among 
philosophers without a need for proof.   



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote:

 
 On Mar 23, 2011, at 1:22 PM, yifuxero wrote:
 
  Soul travel, or rising above bodily consciousness, is the goal of  
  Sant Mat (a dualistic Sidhi in the Advaitic context). Nevertheless,  
  the attainment of this Sidhi according to Sant Mat teachings is  
  sufficient for ending reincarnation.
 
  Kirpal Singh states:
  Nobody can see the soul with these outer eyes and as such it is  
  beyond the ken of human comprehension to know it. The soul is the  
  enlivening Principle pervading the human body and it can be  
  realized within by introversion when the senses are controlled,  
  mind stilled and the intellect silenced.  from Ruhanisatsang.
  ...
  IOW, the Sant Mat objective is freeing the Soul from the  
  entanglements of matter, specifically the physical body and rising  
  above it through the 3-rd eye aperture.
 
 
 I've got some bad news. Sorry, but there is no soul-monad:
 
 Do We Actually Exist?
 'I THINK, THEREFORE I AM' DOESN'T ALWAYS HOLD TRUE
 
 
 By Mark Russell,  Newser Staff
 
 Posted Mar 21, 2011 4:30 AM CDT
 
 (NEWSER)  The fact that we exist is inarguable, right? After all, if  
 the world were just a dream, we'd need to be dreaming to experience  
 it, writes Julian Baggini for the Independent. Maybe not. Throughout  
 the ages, people have claimed that the self actually doesn't exist 
 and such claims are gathering steam, and not just among meditators  
 and mystics. Baggini looks at some of the scientific evidence being  
 used to deny Descartes' famed I think, therefore I am. Those  
 suffering from Cotard's syndrome, for example, think they don't  
 exist; some people with temporal lobe epilepsy see the world as real,  
 but not themselves (there is thought, but they have no idea whose  
 thought it is).
 
 And then there are people who, far from lacking a sense of self, have  
 too many, and not just people with dissociative identity disorder 
 those who have had the hemispheres of their brain separated can end  
 up with two centers of consciousness. What these pathologies show is  
 that one's experience of the world does not have to be linked to a  
 sense of a self at the center of it. But that is not to say that the  
 self doesn't exist. Baggini tries to illustrate this with a Buddhist  
 analogy that likens a person to a cart. There is no cart, only the  
 wheel, the axle, the flat bed and so on. In the same way, there is no  
 self, only experiences, thoughts, and sensations. But, of course,  
 there is a cartit's just that it is nothing other than the ordered  
 collection of parts. In the same way, there is a selfit is simply no  
 more than the ordered collection of all our experience.
 
 
 http://www.newser.com/story/114558/do-we-exist.html

[FairfieldLife] Re: HHDL: Free will



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote:

 
 On Mar 23, 2011, at 11:35 AM, wgm4u wrote:
 
  This is true BUT, the soul must be redeemed from the entanglements  
  of matter (i.e. attachment of the senses to their objects, material  
  attachment, ego, etc.).
 
 Soul?

In Hinduism it's called the jiva, YMMV.

[FairfieldLife] Re: HHDL: Free will



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifuxero@... wrote:

 The basic entity under consideration in Sant Mat is the Soul, (the causal 
 subtle body).
 ...
 The real question is, does anything exist, not whether the Soul exists. If 
 indeed, there is a universe, and things exist conventionally and 
 dualistically, then we can categorize those entities into various subsets 
 such as types of bodies.

MMY calls it *mithya'.(seeming). Good stuff, only snipped for brevity.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Best symphony orchestra in the whole world?

On 03/23/2011 10:14 AM, cardemaister wrote:
 According to Mr. Viktor Klimenko, a Russian who's been
 living in Finland almost all his life, the best symphony
 orchestra in the world is in...uh... North-Korea!?

 He's been visiting that country six times. He said
 some world famous opera singers, and stuff, agree with
 him!

 Klimenko singing Jerusalaim in Swedish/Hebrew?

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeW9jyw1vnk

When I was in college we had a TA who was Korean and the stiffest 
musicians I ever heard.  So I decided that it was difficult for 
orientals to get western music and indeed some Asian orchestras then 
sounded very mechanical.  Now they are much better or got it.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Review of Aftershock

So yifu, is everyone here supposed to know what Aftershock is?  Maybe 
I'm missing somethng.  Have you read it?  It might be nice to put a 
little description in your posts.

On 03/23/2011 10:32 AM, yifuxero wrote:
 http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/26/books/review/Mallaby-t.html

[FairfieldLife] Re: Review of Aftershock

sorry, don't have time.  The Aftershock by Wiedemer has a reivew: Afrershock 
predicts that the 2 larget bubbles are about to strike us. The next few years 
could decimate your wealth and that of most Americans if you don't prepare now, 
warn the authors who predicted the explosion of the housingetc
...
The basic idea in this AFtershock book is the parallel between earthquake 
aftershocks and economic aftershocks, which come in unexpected waves.
...
I might also add that preshocks often occur, as in the Japan earthquake case 
and many others. Various indicators occurred prior to 2008, such as the 
collapse of Enron and other financial institutions.The handwriting was on the 
wall, but few saw it coming.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote:

 So yifu, is everyone here supposed to know what Aftershock is?  Maybe 
 I'm missing somethng.  Have you read it?  It might be nice to put a 
 little description in your posts.
 
 On 03/23/2011 10:32 AM, yifuxero wrote:
  http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/26/books/review/Mallaby-t.html

[FairfieldLife] Skyline movie review

I know someone said they were going to go see it when it was in the 
theaters but they never reviewed it.  It was one of the most panned 
movies of last year, not only by critics but the public.  The producers 
said it was marketed wrong.  I watched it last night on Vudu and it will 
be available on Bluray and DVD on the 19th from Netflix and probably 
your local Redbox.  I'll leave it on my queue because I want to see what 
was behind the film.

The bad:  text book film school script conventions which are trite.  
Really talented writers can get around the cliches.  I also though that 
Let Me In which I watched the other night opened had too many 
cliches.  You could almost visualize the script.

The good: actually not a bad sci-fi movie but it is essentially an 
ensemble piece.  IOW, more about a group of people caught in a penthouse 
when alien ships begin attacking Los Angeles (undoubtedly because they 
were sick and tired of the bad movies coming out of there).

The bad: writers should have boned up more on how people might react 
during such an invasion.  Maybe research movies made by people from 
Bosnia or other places about what it was like to be under attack.  Just 
replace military forces with aliens and you get closer to how people 
would react.  Maybe even talk to people caught in Katrina might help.  
So I thought it needed more edge.

The good: I though the CG was better than I was expecting.  I wound 
guess the bulk of the budget went towards that.  I liked the alien ships 
that swam like jellyfish through the skies.

The bad: I know the reason some folks disliked the film is they don't 
like Eric Balfour who isn't exactly a really strong actor.  David Zayas 
(Dexter) shows up and gives a good performance.

Bottom line it is worth a watch.  But audiences are snarky about going 
to see a sci-fi monster bash and getting an ensemble piece instead.  
Their bad but I'm sure the backers insisted on the miss marketing.  And 
BTW tonight I'm watching Best Worst Movie on DVD which is about 
Trolls 2 which I watched last week on Netflix.  Even there I've seen 
worse.

http://movies.netflix.com/Movie/Skyline/70141971
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1564585/

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Review of Aftershock

Thanks.  I think I may have even heard of the book and maybe author 
interviewed since I listen to a lot of real news sources instead of 
the entertainment channels that purport to be news.  But just the 
title would not have jogged my memory.

On 03/23/2011 11:32 AM, Yifu wrote:
 sorry, don't have time.  The Aftershock by Wiedemer has a reivew: Afrershock 
 predicts that the 2 larget bubbles are about to strike us. The next few years 
 could decimate your wealth and that of most Americans if you don't prepare 
 now, warn the authors who predicted the explosion of the housingetc
 ...
 The basic idea in this AFtershock book is the parallel between earthquake 
 aftershocks and economic aftershocks, which come in unexpected waves.
 ...
 I might also add that preshocks often occur, as in the Japan earthquake 
 case and many others. Various indicators occurred prior to 2008, such as the 
 collapse of Enron and other financial institutions.The handwriting was on the 
 wall, but few saw it coming.

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@...  wrote:
 So yifu, is everyone here supposed to know what Aftershock is?  Maybe
 I'm missing somethng.  Have you read it?  It might be nice to put a
 little description in your posts.

 On 03/23/2011 10:32 AM, yifuxero wrote:
 http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/26/books/review/Mallaby-t.html

[FairfieldLife] Re: HHDL: Free will

2011-03-23 Thread Robert

 (snip)
  Do We Actually Exist?
 'I THINK, THEREFORE I AM' DOESN'T ALWAYS HOLD TRUE
 (snip)
The feeling that 'I exist' does not require any thinking at all...
It is just the awareness that 'I am' I exist...

All creatures on earth have this, whether they can think or not...
Whether a bird, animal or even a plant, knows it exists...

A baby knows it exists without thinking any thoughts...

In the Brahma Sutras:

Ah-Hum Brahmasmi...means I am That...

But even before this, is just the pure state of awareness which is the I am, 
which is 'Existence Itself'...

Then after some discrimination, one becomes aware that the same 'I am' of 
existence, exists in and of itself in the 'That'...

So, knowledge of 'I am' comes first...
Then knowledge of 'I am That'...comes next..
And then the cognition that Everything in this Creation is That'...

So, That's it!

R.

[FairfieldLife] Re: HHDL: Free will

thx, that's not a proof. You're saying we exist since we exist. But you haven't 
proven the first exist.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@... wrote:

  (snip)
   Do We Actually Exist?
  'I THINK, THEREFORE I AM' DOESN'T ALWAYS HOLD TRUE
  (snip)
 The feeling that 'I exist' does not require any thinking at all...
 It is just the awareness that 'I am' I exist...
 
 All creatures on earth have this, whether they can think or not...
 Whether a bird, animal or even a plant, knows it exists...
 
 A baby knows it exists without thinking any thoughts...
 
 In the Brahma Sutras:
 
 Ah-Hum Brahmasmi...means I am That...
 
 But even before this, is just the pure state of awareness which is the I am, 
 which is 'Existence Itself'...
 
 Then after some discrimination, one becomes aware that the same 'I am' of 
 existence, exists in and of itself in the 'That'...
 
 So, knowledge of 'I am' comes first...
 Then knowledge of 'I am That'...comes next..
 And then the cognition that Everything in this Creation is That'...
 
 So, That's it!
 
 R.

[FairfieldLife] Re: HHDL: Free will

2011-03-23 Thread Robert

The sense of I...
Is existence...
If you didn't exist, you wouldn't feel 'I'...
If you feel 'I' you obviously exist.
Try not to think to hard about it...

R.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu yifuxero@... wrote:

 thx, that's not a proof. You're saying we exist since we exist. But you 
 haven't proven the first exist.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@ wrote:
 
   (snip)
Do We Actually Exist?
   'I THINK, THEREFORE I AM' DOESN'T ALWAYS HOLD TRUE
   (snip)
  The feeling that 'I exist' does not require any thinking at all...
  It is just the awareness that 'I am' I exist...
  
  All creatures on earth have this, whether they can think or not...
  Whether a bird, animal or even a plant, knows it exists...
  
  A baby knows it exists without thinking any thoughts...
  
  In the Brahma Sutras:
  
  Ah-Hum Brahmasmi...means I am That...
  
  But even before this, is just the pure state of awareness which is the I 
  am, which is 'Existence Itself'...
  
  Then after some discrimination, one becomes aware that the same 'I am' of 
  existence, exists in and of itself in the 'That'...
  
  So, knowledge of 'I am' comes first...
  Then knowledge of 'I am That'...comes next..
  And then the cognition that Everything in this Creation is That'...
  
  So, That's it!
  
  R.

[FairfieldLife] Re: HHDL: Free will

thx, true, it (existence) is self-evident; but self-evidence isn't a proof. 
That's why philosophers don't think to much on this question, accepting it 
without argument as a premise...then going on to other considerations.
...
Rocks exist but there's no evidence of an I feeling among rocks that they 
exist. I'd suppose there's no sense of I among rocks (as a conjecture), but 
it appears they exist.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@... wrote:

 The sense of I...
 Is existence...
 If you didn't exist, you wouldn't feel 'I'...
 If you feel 'I' you obviously exist.
 Try not to think to hard about it...
 
 R.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu yifuxero@ wrote:
 
  thx, that's not a proof. You're saying we exist since we exist. But you 
  haven't proven the first exist.
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@ wrote:
  
(snip)
 Do We Actually Exist?
'I THINK, THEREFORE I AM' DOESN'T ALWAYS HOLD TRUE
(snip)
   The feeling that 'I exist' does not require any thinking at all...
   It is just the awareness that 'I am' I exist...
   
   All creatures on earth have this, whether they can think or not...
   Whether a bird, animal or even a plant, knows it exists...
   
   A baby knows it exists without thinking any thoughts...
   
   In the Brahma Sutras:
   
   Ah-Hum Brahmasmi...means I am That...
   
   But even before this, is just the pure state of awareness which is the I 
   am, which is 'Existence Itself'...
   
   Then after some discrimination, one becomes aware that the same 'I am' of 
   existence, exists in and of itself in the 'That'...
   
   So, knowledge of 'I am' comes first...
   Then knowledge of 'I am That'...comes next..
   And then the cognition that Everything in this Creation is That'...
   
   So, That's it!
   
   R.

[FairfieldLife] Kant on Free will

http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/DPF.CHAP30.HTM

[FairfieldLife] Kant and Ramana on free will

from Answers.com:

Kant believed all individuals possess a rational free will and are capable 
of recognizing the three pillars of morality -- God, freedom, and immortality, 
he also believed that if a person to abandon the three moral virtues then 
punishment to be distributed to an individual based on the action undertaken. 
so freedom is not absolute according to Kant its more restricted and connected 
to morality.

Note: this is interesting in providing a small degree of agreement with Ramana 
Maharshi.  Interestingly, although Ramana was generally a determinist, he 
waffled when it came to his statement that people have a free will when it 
comes to the Spiritual quest.

I would prefer an across the board treatment of free will and as a conjecture 
simply say that in effect, or practically speaking, free will exists subject 
to obvious constraints. Free will may be severely constrained among prisoners, 
but per Kant and Ramana Maharshi, free will exists in the context of moral 
(Kant) and Self-Inquiry (Ramana).

Still, I disagree with these illustrious Giants in simply landing on the side 
of free will (and against determinism); subject to the limitations of karma.

In the movie The Adjustment Bureau (based loosely on a Philip Dick novel); 
people are free to choose minor things, but the major events (especially among 
the important world players) are more determined.

Say Hitler had decided to travel to the Munich Beer Hall by another route, and 
was mugged; never arriving at his destination. How much would this have changed 
the course of history? I'd say not much: I'd guess that a parallel outcome 
(or parallel universe) would have an equally probabilistic outcome.

So probabilities play a major role, consistent with various pathways of 
particles.  Feynman came up with his sum over histories theorem, which in 
essence awards the outcome of a trajectory to the most probable. (as determined 
by the sum over histories).

Though we may conjecture that various parallel universes exist with the most 
outrageous scenarios, our introduction of probabilities enables us to whittle 
down the field, resulting in.(you guessed it...)our universe of events.  
However, other universes could have similar outcomes, though maybe not 
identical.

And why is OUR unvierse in the set of most probable outcomes and not a 
statistical outlier? Because being most probable is more probable!

[FairfieldLife] Re: We may not even be in Kali Yuga



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote:

 The only problem with this widespread presentation of the yugas is  
 that they are more the result of early colonial translations than by  
 the pundits who were aware of how they were to be interpreted. Each  
 of these needs to be further divided into 71.42. This puts these more  
 into human terms:
 
 According to the traditional Indian calendar, which is still in use,  
 the Kali Yuga commenced in 3012 B.C. If we accept this date for the  
 beginning of Kali Yuga, the following cal-endar results:
 
 Dawn of KritaYuga 58,042 B.C.
 Beginning of Krita Yuga   56,026 B.C.
 Beginning of Twilight 35,864 B.C.
 Dawn of Treta Yuga33, 848 B.C.
 Beginning of Treta Yuga   32,336 B.C.
 Beginning of Twilight 17,215 B.C.
 Dawn of Dvapara Yuga  15,703 B.C.
 Beginning of Dvapara Yuga 14,695 B.C.
 Beginning of Twilight 4,614 B.C.  
 Dawn of Kali Yuga 3,606 B.C.
 Kali Yuga 3,102 B.C.  
 
 Middle of Kali Yuga   582 B.C.
 Beginning of Twilight A.D. 1,939  
 End of Twilight of Kali Yuga  A.D. 2,442
 
 
 
 The twilight of the Kali Yuga therefore would have started in 1939,  
 in the month of May. The final catastrophe will take place during  
 this twilight. The last traces of this present humankind will have  
 disappeared in 2442. The figures, as we have seen, are accurate to  
 within fifty years. Using these dates as a starting point and going  
 back, we find that the first manifestation of humanity came forth in  
 419,964 B.C., the second in 359,477 B.C., the third in 298,990 B.C.,  
 the fourth in 238,503 B.C., the fifth in 178,016 B.C., the sixth in  
 118,529 B.C. and the seventh in 58,042 B.C.
 
 The beginning of the present human cycle, the seventh, in 58,042  
 B.C., seems to correspond to the appearance of what we call Homo  
 sapiens or Cro-Magnon man. The species that preceded this is probably  
 that to which we give the name Neanderthal, whose brain capacity  
 (1400 cm^3) was markedly superior to ours, which varies between 1,200  
 cm^3 (Nordic males) and 650 cm^3 (Polynesian females); according to  
 anthropological treatises, Neanderthal man probably dates back to  
 118,000 B.C.
 
 The first period, the Krita Yuga, is the age of accomplishment and  
 wisdom (corresponding to the Golden Age of Hesiod). Including its  
 dawn and twilight, it lasts 24,195 years. Next comes the Treta Yuga,  
 the age of the three ritual fires, the age of rites but also of the  
 hearth, that is, of sedentary, agricultural, and urban civilization.  
 Its duration, counting the dawn and twilight, is 18,146 years in all.
 
 The third age, the Dvapara Yuga or age of doubt sees the birth of  
 the anti-establishment religions and philosophies. Man loses the  
 sense of the divine reality of the world and grows away from natural  
 law. The Dvapara Yuga lasts 10,081 years, and its dawn and twilight  
 last 1,008 years each, a total of 12,097 years.
 
 Finally comes the fourth age or age of conflict, the Kali Yuga. It  
 lasts 5,040 years, and its dawn and twilight each last 504 years,  
 totaling 6,048 years. It will end with the nearly total destruction  
 of the present humanity.

I have no way of knowing whether this has any validity - altho I would 
certianly like to believe in some sort of structure to things and that some 
humans at some time ahd the wisdom to grok it all.  But the prediction that 
hunaity will almost die out in 2442 sounds fairly liekly given my favorite 
woryy - global warming and climate change.  Unless, of course, science really 
pulls it together and can counteract all the damage.  Even so, maybe something 
else is seen in these calendars that will result in the wipeout - like an 
asteroid or some other disaster we did not even cause.

Vaj, do you tend to believe this calendar?  I know you like Danielou.  
 
 The word Treta, triad, refers to the three ritual fires. Dvapara  
 can mean after the two, but more especially doubt or  
 uncertainty. Kali (two short syllables), which means quarrel or  
 conflict, bears no relationship to Kali (long syllables), which is  
 the name of the goddess, of the power of time and of death.
 
 
 - from Danielou and his teacher, who was the leading student of SBS.
 
 
 
 On Mar 23, 2011, at 7:11 AM, turquoiseb wrote:
 
  Yuga (DevanÃÂgari: Ã Â¤Â¯Ã Â¥ÂÃ Â¤â) in Hindu philosophy is the  
  name of an 'epoch' or 'era' within a cycle of four ages. These are  
  the Krita Yuga, the Treta Yuga, the Dvapara Yuga, and finally the  
  Kali Yuga. According to Hindu cosmology, life in the universe is  
  created, destroyed once every 4.1 to 8.2 billion years,[1][2] which  
  is one full day (day and

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: We may not even be in Kali Yuga


On Mar 23, 2011, at 5:56 PM, wayback71 wrote:

 I have no way of knowing whether this has any validity - altho I would 
 certianly like to believe in some sort of structure to things and that some 
 humans at some time ahd the wisdom to grok it all.  But the prediction that 
 hunaity will almost die out in 2442 sounds fairly liekly given my favorite 
 woryy - global warming and climate change.  Unless, of course, science really 
 pulls it together and can counteract all the damage.  Even so, maybe 
 something else is seen in these calendars that will result in the wipeout - 
 like an asteroid or some other disaster we did not even cause.
 
 Vaj, do you tend to believe this calendar?  I know you like Danielou.  


I'm trusting in this case that Danielou got it right, either through his 
extensive contacts with other scholars-pundits and/or via Swami Karpatri (his 
guru)--the guy who was offered the Shankaracharya of the north before Swami 
Brahmananda Saraswati. They also seem to jive with the chronology of my 
Patanjali guru, who is a pundit-yogi in the Shank./Rig Veda trad.

Knowledge didn't come easy for Danielou. After all we have a gay man, living 
with his lover, in a mansion in Benares; applying to be a shishya under a 
Brahmin who considers all westerners to be untouchables! Karpatri was 
radically a right-wing, nationalist Hindutva supporter, right down to 
maintaining caste distinctions and all their various rules and regs.

[FairfieldLife] Judgment Day, May 21, 2011

Another prophecy by the same Evangelical dude who made a similar prediction 
(some time ago, forgot the date). He's recalculated Armageddon for May 21-st. 
Most of such prophecies begin with their date for the Flood, then tack on 7,000 
years. By appealing to various verses in Daniel, the predictions are fine-tuned 
to a specific day. Of course, the predictor has to get around the statement in 
the Bible saying no man knoweth the day or hour.
...
I'll go over his calculations in a pamphlet I received. Should be amusing.  To 
be continued  

http://www.familyradio.com/graphical/literature/judgment/judgment.html

[FairfieldLife] Re: HHDL: Free will

2011-03-23 Thread emptybill


According to HHDL we are an eternally transmigrating bindu of
consciousness which is the unity of manas and prana. This bindu resides
in the heart. It descends into the channels to take up residence and
then ascends out of them to enter the bardo and take up another body.
This is not a Hinayana/Mahayana description but a Tantric one.



With such an eternally transmigrating bindu of consciousness who needs a
soul?



*



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote:

 I've got some bad news. Sorry, but there is no soul-monad:

 Do We Actually Exist?


 'I THINK, THEREFORE I AM' DOESN'T ALWAYS HOLD TRUE


 By Mark Russell, Newser Staff

 Posted Mar 21, 2011 4:30 AM CDT

 (NEWSER)  The fact that we exist is inarguable, right? After all,
if
 the world were just a dream, we'd need to be dreaming to experience
 it, writes Julian Baggini for the Independent. Maybe not. Throughout
 the ages, people have claimed that the self actually doesn't
exist
 and such claims are gathering steam, and not just among meditators
 and mystics. Baggini looks at some of the scientific evidence being
 used to deny Descartes' famed I think, therefore I am. Those
 suffering from Cotard's syndrome, for example, think they don't
 exist; some people with temporal lobe epilepsy see the world as real,
 but not themselves (there is thought, but they have no idea whose
 thought it is).

 And then there are people who, far from lacking a sense of self, have
 too many, and not just people with dissociative identity disorder
 those who have had the hemispheres of their brain separated can end
 up with two centers of consciousness. What these pathologies show is
 that one's experience of the world does not have to be linked to a
 sense of a self at the center of it. But that is not to say that the
 self doesn't exist. Baggini tries to illustrate this with a Buddhist
 analogy that likens a person to a cart. There is no cart, only the
 wheel, the axle, the flat bed and so on. In the same way, there is no
 self, only experiences, thoughts, and sensations. But, of course,
 there is a cartit's just that it is nothing other than the
ordered
 collection of parts. In the same way, there is a selfit is simply
no
 more than the ordered collection of all our experience.


 http://www.newser.com/story/114558/do-we-exist.html

[FairfieldLife] Re: HHDL: Free will

Might be amusing to travel to other planets in/as a Soul, leaving the physical 
body. Not a need, just fun. Or, to other realms and dimensions. Such 
exploration may be the wave of the future.
...
After seeing the Hawking special on travel to other planets, I don't see how 
the space/time factor can be overcome. Setting up a space-station on the Moon 
is within the realm of possibility but there's the problem of of weak gravity, 
contributing to diminished bone density. The longer you stay on the moon, the 
more difficult it will be to readapt to the earth's gravity.
...
Arnold went to Mars in Total Recall, and Dr. Manhattan regularly meditated on 
Mars; but as to adapting to the harsh environment there, ...that would be quite 
difficult. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@... wrote:

 
 According to HHDL we are an eternally transmigrating bindu of
 consciousness which is the unity of manas and prana. This bindu resides
 in the heart. It descends into the channels to take up residence and
 then ascends out of them to enter the bardo and take up another body.
 This is not a Hinayana/Mahayana description but a Tantric one.
 
 
 
 With such an eternally transmigrating bindu of consciousness who needs a
 soul?
 
 
 
 *
 
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote:
 
  I've got some bad news. Sorry, but there is no soul-monad:
 
  Do We Actually Exist?
 
 
  'I THINK, THEREFORE I AM' DOESN'T ALWAYS HOLD TRUE
 
 
  By Mark Russell, Newser Staff
 
  Posted Mar 21, 2011 4:30 AM CDT
 
  (NEWSER)  The fact that we exist is inarguable, right? After all,
 if
  the world were just a dream, we'd need to be dreaming to experience
  it, writes Julian Baggini for the Independent. Maybe not. Throughout
  the ages, people have claimed that the self actually doesn't
 exist
  and such claims are gathering steam, and not just among meditators
  and mystics. Baggini looks at some of the scientific evidence being
  used to deny Descartes' famed I think, therefore I am. Those
  suffering from Cotard's syndrome, for example, think they don't
  exist; some people with temporal lobe epilepsy see the world as real,
  but not themselves (there is thought, but they have no idea whose
  thought it is).
 
  And then there are people who, far from lacking a sense of self, have
  too many, and not just people with dissociative identity disorder
  those who have had the hemispheres of their brain separated can end
  up with two centers of consciousness. What these pathologies show is
  that one's experience of the world does not have to be linked to a
  sense of a self at the center of it. But that is not to say that the
  self doesn't exist. Baggini tries to illustrate this with a Buddhist
  analogy that likens a person to a cart. There is no cart, only the
  wheel, the axle, the flat bed and so on. In the same way, there is no
  self, only experiences, thoughts, and sensations. But, of course,
  there is a cartit's just that it is nothing other than the
 ordered
  collection of parts. In the same way, there is a selfit is simply
 no
  more than the ordered collection of all our experience.
 
 
  http://www.newser.com/story/114558/do-we-exist.html

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: HHDL: Free will


On Mar 23, 2011, at 7:17 PM, emptybill wrote:

 According to HHDL we are an eternally transmigrating bindu of consciousness 
 which is the unity of manas and prana. This bindu resides in the heart. It 
 descends into the channels to take up residence and then ascends out of them 
 to enter the bardo and take up another body. This is not a Hinayana/Mahayana 
 description but a Tantric one.
 
  
 
 With such an eternally transmigrating bindu of consciousness who needs a soul?
 

Who needs a soul when you've got Samsonite karmic suitcases! You can even drop 
them from the Space Shuttle.

:-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: HHDL: Free will

2011-03-23 Thread shanti2218411



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu yifuxero@... wrote:

 thx, that's not a proof. You're saying we exist since we exist. But you 
 haven't proven the first exist.


The problem with these types of discussions is that they require the people 
having the discussion to agree on how to define the concepts they are using 
e.g. what does proof mean?Assuming they can agree on how to define the 
concepts they are using,then you have to ask what relationship these concepts 
have,if any, to reality or truth.It seems to me that discussions involving 
abstract concepts are more about how people want to represent reality than 
reality itself.IMHO Reality or Truth is fundamentally unknowable.Consequently a 
discussion about the self or the absence of self really is just an attempt to 
express something that is inexpressible i.e what the self/non-self IS.

OTOH maybe everything I just said above is just another example of what I just 
said above :).

[FairfieldLife] In Memorial, Harry Pavelka

Harry passed away today.

Om Jai Harry Pavelka!

Through TM he's an old friend.
I've known Harry a long time.
I'm a little bereft today.
I will miss him along the way.

-Buck

[FairfieldLife] Re: HHDL: Free will

thx, excellent points! The idea is that given the premise (that the universe 
exists), we can then extrapolate into different outcomes, making some headway 
in attacking my favorite targets: the Neo-Advaitins. This involves showing 
somehow that persons exist, first of all, conventionally speaking. But some 
Neo-A's would even deny that; so the very first step is to assume that the 
universe exists, then proceed to questions such as persons, individuality, the 
Soul, free will and determinism, etc..
But if there's no agreement on the existence of the universe to begin with, not 
much headway can be expected in addressing the other questions.




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shanti2218411 kc21d@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu yifuxero@ wrote:
 
  thx, that's not a proof. You're saying we exist since we exist. But you 
  haven't proven the first exist.
 
 
 The problem with these types of discussions is that they require the people 
 having the discussion to agree on how to define the concepts they are using 
 e.g. what does proof mean?Assuming they can agree on how to define the 
 concepts they are using,then you have to ask what relationship these concepts 
 have,if any, to reality or truth.It seems to me that discussions involving 
 abstract concepts are more about how people want to represent reality than 
 reality itself.IMHO Reality or Truth is fundamentally unknowable.Consequently 
 a discussion about the self or the absence of self really is just an attempt 
 to express something that is inexpressible i.e what the self/non-self IS.
 
 OTOH maybe everything I just said above is just another example of what I 
 just said above :).

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[FairfieldLife] 1976-77 AEGTC Interlaken Switzerland

[FairfieldLife] Re: 1976-77 AEGTC Interlaken Switzerland

2011-03-23 Thread Joe


Ahhh, a time when the men actually wore different color jackets!

(Except in Seelisberg. There, it was blue suits, white shirts and red ties.)

[FairfieldLife] Theshold Progression

http://www.neosurrealismart.com/3d-artist-gallery/01surrealism/wallpapers/09-progression.htm

[FairfieldLife] Re: In Memorial, Harry Pavelka

2011-03-23 Thread m2smart4u2000


How is Susan doing?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote:

 Harry passed away today.
 
 Om Jai Harry Pavelka!
 
 Through TM he's an old friend.
 I've known Harry a long time.
 I'm a little bereft today.
 I will miss him along the way.
 
 -Buck

[FairfieldLife] Re: In Memorial, Harry Pavelka

2011-03-23 Thread Robert



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote:

 Harry passed away today.
 
 Om Jai Harry Pavelka!
 
 Through TM he's an old friend.
 I've known Harry a long time.
 I'm a little bereft today.
 I will miss him along the way.
 
 -Buck

I just saw Harry a like last week; hard to believe...he looked perfectly 
healthy to me...
What happened?

R.

[FairfieldLife] Re: 1976-77 AEGTC Interlaken Switzerland



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@... wrote:

 
 Ahhh, a time when the men actually wore different color jackets!
 
 (Except in Seelisberg. There, it was blue suits, white shirts and red ties.)


Yep, you notice a younger Bevan there too in the picture?  He got worked hard 
and took it seriously then too.  As the course ended and Bevan stayed on over 
there some of us left him with newer threads to wear. Marc Lerner was more 
Bevan's size and left Bevan some nicer suits to use.  We were all younger and 
leaner then.

-Buck in FF

[FairfieldLife] A French assault on German positions

1917
http://www.museumsyndicate.com/images/5/43183.jpg

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: In Memorial, Harry Pavelka

2011-03-23 Thread Peter

Blessing to you Harry on your journey..

--- On Wed, 3/23/11, m2smart4u2000 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 From: m2smart4u2000 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: In Memorial,  Harry Pavelka
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Wednesday, March 23, 2011, 9:05 PM

 How is Susan doing?
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
 Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote:

  Harry passed away today.

  Om Jai Harry Pavelka!

  Through TM he's an old friend.
  I've known Harry a long time.
  I'm a little bereft today.
  I will miss him along the way.

  -Buck

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Best symphony orchestra in the whole world?



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote:

 On 03/23/2011 10:14 AM, cardemaister wrote:
  According to Mr. Viktor Klimenko, a Russian who's been
  living in Finland almost all his life, the best symphony
  orchestra in the world is in...uh... North-Korea!?
 
  He's been visiting that country six times. He said
  some world famous opera singers, and stuff, agree with
  him!
 
  Klimenko singing Jerusalaim in Swedish/Hebrew?
 
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeW9jyw1vnk
 
 When I was in college we had a TA who was Korean and the stiffest 
 musicians I ever heard.  So I decided that it was difficult for 
 orientals to get western music and indeed some Asian orchestras then 
 sounded very mechanical.  Now they are much better or got it.

Yes, they now got it, especially the younger generation of professional 
musicians, who grew up with western music in their ears. What was once 
technically fine but without emotional understanding is now really good. I 
believe that over 50% of most conservatory students these days are Asian.  
There are millions of young Chinese and Korean students learning to play piano 
and violin, and they practice long hours. So an extremely competitive field is 
now supremely so.

[FairfieldLife] Re: 1976-77 AEGTC Interlaken Switzerland

Recent pic of Bevan:
http://www.topnews.in/files/Hermann-Goering.JPG

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@... wrote:

 
 Ahhh, a time when the men actually wore different color jackets!
 
 (Except in Seelisberg. There, it was blue suits, white shirts and red ties.)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Judgment Day, May 21, 2011



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu yifuxero@... wrote:

 Another prophecy by the same Evangelical dude

I believe his name is Harold . Someone in my town is married to a man who 
believes in this Harold  and is convinced that he is going to raised up in to 
heaven in a The Rapture of May 21.

who made a similar prediction (some time ago, forgot the date). He's 
recalculated Armageddon for May 21-st. Most of such prophecies begin with their 
date for the Flood, then tack on 7,000 years. By appealing to various verses in 
Daniel, the predictions are fine-tuned to a specific day. Of course, the 
predictor has to get around the statement in the Bible saying no man knoweth 
the day or hour.
 ...
 I'll go over his calculations in a pamphlet I received. Should be amusing.  
 To be continued  
 
 http://www.familyradio.com/graphical/literature/judgment/judgment.html

[FairfieldLife] Re: 1976-77 AEGTC Interlaken Switzerland



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@ wrote:
 
  
  Ahhh, a time when the men actually wore different color jackets!
  
  (Except in Seelisberg. There, it was blue suits, white shirts and red ties.)
 
 
 Yep, you notice a younger Bevan there too in the picture?  He got worked hard 
 and took it seriously then too.  As the course ended and Bevan stayed on over 
 there some of us left him with newer threads to wear. Marc Lerner was more 
 Bevan's size and left Bevan some nicer suits to use.  We were all younger and 
 leaner then.
 
 -Buck in FF

Marc Lerner looks great in the photo.

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: In Memorial, Harry Pavelka

2011-03-23 Thread Rick Archer

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Robert
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 8:06 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: In Memorial, Harry Pavelka

 I just saw Harry a like last week; hard to believe...he looked perfectly
healthy to me...
What happened?

I heard he collapsed in the dome coat room after program. Probably a heart
attack.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Judgment Day, May 21, 2011

thx, found it: Harold Camping of Oakland. Former Engineer, lives in Oakland. 
His Family Radio can be heard in numerous California radio stations.  His last 
predicted date was 1994. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 wayback71@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu yifuxero@ wrote:
 
  Another prophecy by the same Evangelical dude
 
 I believe his name is Harold . Someone in my town is married to a man who 
 believes in this Harold  and is convinced that he is going to raised up in to 
 heaven in a The Rapture of May 21.
 
 who made a similar prediction (some time ago, forgot the date). He's 
 recalculated Armageddon for May 21-st. Most of such prophecies begin with 
 their date for the Flood, then tack on 7,000 years. By appealing to various 
 verses in Daniel, the predictions are fine-tuned to a specific day. Of 
 course, the predictor has to get around the statement in the Bible saying no 
 man knoweth the day or hour.
  ...
  I'll go over his calculations in a pamphlet I received. Should be amusing.  
  To be continued  
  
  http://www.familyradio.com/graphical/literature/judgment/judgment.html

[FairfieldLife] Battle: Los Angeles

Yup, it is an ad for the Marine Corps.  Sort of a modern day military 
movie with Aaron Eckhart playing the John Wayne role.  Why?  Probably so 
they could get to use a lot of military hardware.  No wonder many 
critics didn't like it nor did the public.  Hollywood hasn't had much 
luck with military films lately.  Could it be the public is tired of 
endless war?

It is a better developed script than Skyline but the movie is entirely 
from the perspective of a military squad.  The hard thing to believe is 
that with such superior technology earthlings would be any match at all.

It is a frenetic action film so if you're not into those you probably 
won't like it.  It has been compared to Black Hawk Down which I sorta 
remember having seen it a few years ago.  The film played in the D-Box 
auditorium and there was only one other customer and he was sitting in 
the D-Box section.  Might have been a theater employee as the D-Box 
wasn't activated and the time I saw a film that was D-Box and some folks 
sitting in those seats they rocked so much you could feel the vibration 
from the other seats.  Another way to suck additional money out of your 
wallet.  I pissed off someone involved in its development recently on a 
forum by calling it a gimmick.

It is a Columbia Pictures film so will probably be on Netflix and at 
Redbox before you know it.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Judgment Day, May 21, 2011

http://articles.sfgate.com/2010-01-01/bay-area/17466332_1_east-bay-bay-area-first-time-camping

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu yifuxero@... wrote:

 thx, found it: Harold Camping of Oakland. Former Engineer, lives in Oakland. 
 His Family Radio can be heard in numerous California radio stations.  His 
 last predicted date was 1994. 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 wayback71@ wrote:
 
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu yifuxero@ wrote:
  
   Another prophecy by the same Evangelical dude
  
  I believe his name is Harold . Someone in my town is married to a man 
  who believes in this Harold  and is convinced that he is going to raised up 
  in to heaven in a The Rapture of May 21.
  
  who made a similar prediction (some time ago, forgot the date). He's 
  recalculated Armageddon for May 21-st. Most of such prophecies begin with 
  their date for the Flood, then tack on 7,000 years. By appealing to various 
  verses in Daniel, the predictions are fine-tuned to a specific day. Of 
  course, the predictor has to get around the statement in the Bible saying 
  no man knoweth the day or hour.
   ...
   I'll go over his calculations in a pamphlet I received. Should be 
   amusing.  To be continued  
   
   http://www.familyradio.com/graphical/literature/judgment/judgment.html

[FairfieldLife] Re: 1976-77 AEGTC Interlaken Switzerland


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 wayback71@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote:
 
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@ wrote:
  
   
   Ahhh, a time when the men actually wore different color jackets!
   
   (Except in Seelisberg. There, it was blue suits, white shirts and red 
   ties.)
  
  
  Yep, you notice a younger Bevan there too in the picture?  He got worked 
  hard and took it seriously then too.  As the course ended and Bevan stayed 
  on over there some of us left him with newer threads to wear. Marc Lerner 
  was more Bevan's size and left Bevan some nicer suits to use.  We were all 
  younger and leaner then.
  
  -Buck in FF
 
 Marc Lerner looks great in the photo.
 


Yea, there's a number of people in that photo still around and several still in 
the TMmovement.  That was a powerful course, good time and a great group.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Battle: Los Angeles