[FairfieldLife] Ghirardelli's - Single source of chocolightenment?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: After having lunch at an Indian restaurant at Geary and 25th Ave.,You didn't tell us what time I decided to take the scenic drive starting at Lincoln Park golf course. I ended up parking my car on Hyde Street where the cable cars pass to get to the Square. which side of the street? I was about two blocks up the hill of Buena Vista Cafe, another San Francisco landmark. After reaching the bottom of the hill, I passed by the Cannery Row were there any benches on the sidewalk? and then walked towards Fishermen's Wharf. On the other side of the street is Cappuro's Restaurant, a business owned by a high school classmate's family. oh wow. was your friend of average height, or was he shorter or taller than most other classmates? Then I walked towards the parking lot where I used to work when I was in high school. The parking lot is now surrounded by various vendors selling various wares for the tourists. you mean like little replicas of the Golden Gate Bridge, or like trolley cars? About how many vendors do you think there were? After several minutes of walking, I ended up at the Square again where I bought a chocolate ice cream on a sugar cone. did any of the ice cream drip from the bottom? Also, did they charge extra for the sugar cone? Sometimes they do I also ended up buying a gift pack of chocolates to take home. they didn't get melty did they? Then, I drove home listening to a CD playing various Latin numbers featuring chacha and mambo tunes. Que sabroso... was there much traffic? how many traffic lights do you estimate you had to go through? Any idea of how many were green, how many yellow, how many red? Seems like you left out a lot of details here. LOL..yeah he needs to spice up his trips around the City, he can learn a thing or two from Barry. He really needs to work on the skill of projecting his fears, insecurities, pain, suffering and sadness on to every situation. I mean why do we need to accept the word of Ghirardell's - are they the *authority* on all thing chocolate??? I think the joy and bliss you get out of tasting chocolate is purely subjective, why should I accept these people who are experts on chocolate as wise and chocolightened?? I reject the notion that such as a state called chocolightenment even exists. Chocolightenment really is nihilistic and life-abnegating it seems to reject all experiences as painful other than chocolate. I question anyone who thinks I'm missing out if I don't partake in chocolate and their idea of chocolightenment. Peace out.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ghirardelli's - Single source of chocolightenment?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: LOL..yeah he needs to spice up his trips around the City, he can learn a thing or two from Barry. He really needs to work on the skill of projecting his fears, insecurities, pain, suffering and sadness on to every situation. I mean why do we need to accept the word of Ghirardell's - are they the *authority* on all thing chocolate??? I think the joy and bliss you get out of tasting chocolate is purely subjective, why should I accept these people who are experts on chocolate as wise and chocolightened?? I reject the notion that such as a state called chocolightenment even exists. Chocolightenment really is nihilistic and life-abnegating it seems to reject all experiences as painful other than chocolate. I question anyone who thinks I'm missing out if I don't partake in chocolate and their idea of chocolightenment. Peace out. Lot of my friends are therapists and I am slowly realizing that people who consider themselves experts on *chocolightenment* are just suffering from an extreme case of *dissociative identity disorder*. I know now that I was brainwashed at 5 into believing that there was joy to be found in chocolate and that chocolightenement was a fantastic goal to achieve, thank god no more !!!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Afternoon at the Ghirardelli Square
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: After having lunch at an Indian restaurant at Geary and 25th Ave., I decided to take the scenic drive starting at Lincoln Park golf course. I ended up parking my car on Hyde Street where the cable cars pass to get to the Square. I was about two blocks up the hill of Buena Vista Cafe, another San Francisco landmark. After reaching the bottom of the hill, I passed by the Cannery Row and then walked towards Fishermen's Wharf. On the other side of the street is Cappuro's Restaurant, a business owned by a high school classmate's family. Then I walked towards the parking lot where I used to work when I was in high school. The parking lot is now surrounded by various vendors selling various wares for the tourists. After several minutes of walking, I ended up at the Square again where I bought a chocolate ice cream on a sugar cone. I also ended up buying a gift pack of chocolates to take home. Then, I drove home listening to a CD playing various Latin numbers featuring chacha and mambo tunes. Que sabroso... Yeah, but what did you see that reminded you of FFL? Judy, All of those scenes have a connection to FFL. For example, we are very familiar with Indian foods and what they mean in physical and spiritual sense. The golf course represents the need for recreation to enjoy life and experience bliss which the members are aware of in their meditation practice. Judy, The scenes during the walk represent the various experiences that the members have during the waking consciousness. The ice cream and chocolates are the sweetness we experience during TC as we continue the meditation practice. The drive home with the music represents the meditation practice as we hope to get home to attain cosmic consciousness. Well, yes, but you must have drawn some conclusions, had some critiques, some advice, some words of wisdom for us on how we should conduct our lives and how we are to think about things, how we can make ourselves better people by adjusting our spiritual and everyday perspectives to bring them into accord with, you know, whatever it is you want us to bring them into accord with. I mean, there's no *sermon* attached to your account. You didn't *denounce* anybody; you didn't hold anybody up as a shining example for praise and exaltation, not even yourself! That's what we're used to here. I realize this is your first attempt to write a How What I Saw During My Walk Made It Clear Just What Is Wrong with FFL piece, but you need to think about the didactic element, the lesson to be learned. That's really what you should start with, and then figure out how to wrap your experiences on the walk around it, so that it appears the profound insights came from your walk. Maybe it would help if you got a dog or two? ;-) Yeah, so non-judgmental and boring, nothing against TMO, MMY or even Patanjali. I felt bad and responded - just to let him know that its not the bad boys who get all the attention..:-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: What if they gave a pile on party and no one came?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: A new FFL posting week looms, and I think we all know what to expect. A certain someone will try -- as she does every week -- to diss several people she never gets tired of dissing. While doing this she will try to draw other people into the discus- sions, and encourage them to pile on, and join her in dissing these people. It's as inevitable as death and taxes. Followup report: 20 posts so far, 10 of them spent replying to posts in which she attempted to correct posts made by TM critics, often portraying the critics themselves as stupid or abusive or something else demeaning *for the crime of believing something different than she does*. With regard to the trying to draw people into a pile on fest thang, dare I point out the party in question having to make a *second* post trying to get JohnR to pile on to a Bash Barry Fest because he didn't get what she was encouraging him to do the first time? :-) As I said in my original post, it's an obsession. Some folks are so attached to their their beliefs that they cannot help but react to anyone who believes something different by trying to get them. As I suggested before, I think that people should look at this tendency as an example of what the belief system in question actually DOES for the people who believe in it. Are they consistently in Gotta 'get' the critic mode? Do they react to a little criticism or a little fun-poking by claiming that the critics or humor- ists are stupid or violent or some other such epithet? Based on the behavior of several TM supporters here, it looks to me that if religious fanaticism is what you want from your belief system, TM is definitely the way to go. :-) Will the Pile On Queen make the 50% mark this week? 25 posts dissing or correcting TM critics out of 50? Tune in for further followups as the week progresses.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sai Baba Dead?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@... wrote: Could he be both a pedophile fraud AND a planetary Avatar Nabby? Ofcourse not. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@ wrote: Any word on whether the death was long and painful? He was a planetary Avatar and beyond pain.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sai Baba Dead?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@ wrote: Could he be both a pedophile fraud AND a planetary Avatar Nabby? Ofcourse not. A miracle. Joe and Nabby are finally agreed. Since there is abundant evidence that Sai Baba was a pedophile fraud, and zero evidence that he was a planetary Avatar, and since no less a source than Nabby says he couldn't be both, we can safely assume that Sai Baba was NOT an avatar. Glad that's settled. :-)
[FairfieldLife] New Interview on Buddha at the Gas Pump - 04/19/2011
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Sai Baba Dead?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@ wrote: Could he be both a pedophile fraud AND a planetary Avatar Nabby? Ofcourse not. A miracle. Joe and Nabby are finally agreed. Since there is abundant evidence that Sai Baba was a pedophile fraud, snip Is that so ? Where is that abundant evidence ? Some films have been produced to try to disgrace Sai Baba, a campaign to try to blackmail Him for money. A very common tactic in one of the most corrupt countries on earth. But on FFL noone cares about facts as long as Great Beings are portrayed in a bad ligh. Just ask Rick.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What's your guNa-vRtti-virodha? ; )
You are either free or you are bound. If free, then you have no need for a yoga; if bound, by what means can you free yourself? So you are back from hunting prairie-dogs in Wyoming but still feel the torment of unnatural urges. You are not making any sense - are you free or bound? azgrey: He can run but he can't hide. ---Joe Louis So, you are not free, you are bound to posting nonsense.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sai Baba Dead?
Since there is abundant evidence that Sai Baba was a pedophile fraud... nablusoss1008: Is that so? Where is that abundant evidence? There is no evidence and there are no charges in Indian courts against Sai Baba. And, since Baba is probably dead, there's no chance for a cross-examination, so there's no case, just rumors, just like Joe posted about MMY. So, maybe Joe would like to post some evidence, or keep his big pie hole shut about other people's private sex life, or lack thereof.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What if they gave a pile on party and no one came?
turquoiseb: Some folks are so attached to their their beliefs that they cannot help but react to anyone who believes something different by trying to get them... So, you believe this to be true and it's getting to you, so you want to get them before they get to you? You just gave a pile on party and Judy didn't come. LoL!!! As I suggested before, I think that people should look at this tendency as an example of what the belief system in question actually DOES for the people who believe in it. Are they consistently in Gotta 'get' the critic mode? Do they react to a little criticism or a little fun-poking by claiming that the critics or humor- ists are stupid or violent or some other such epithet? Based on the behavior of several TM supporters here, it looks to me that if religious fanaticism is what you want from your belief system, TM is definitely the way to go. :-) Will the Pile On Queen make the 50% mark this week? 25 posts dissing or correcting TM critics out of 50? Tune in for further followups as the week progresses.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What if they gave a pile on party and no one came?
Of Barry's 17 posts so far this week, 12 (70 percent) were spent dissing TM supporters, *all* of them portraying the supporters as stupid or gullible or fanatical or something else demeaning *for the crime of believing something different than he does*. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: A new FFL posting week looms, and I think we all know what to expect. A certain someone will try -- as she does every week -- to diss several people she never gets tired of dissing. While doing this she will try to draw other people into the discus- sions, and encourage them to pile on, and join her in dissing these people. It's as inevitable as death and taxes. Followup report: 20 posts so far, 10 of them spent replying to posts in which she attempted to correct posts made by TM critics, Again, Barry has difficulty with simple counting. That would be 9 (45 percent), not 10. But he had to *read* most of them even to come up with this count; he wouldn't have been able to tell from the Message View lines which category to put them in. often portraying the critics themselves as stupid or abusive or something else demeaning *for the crime of believing something different than she does*. Again: *All* of Barry's 12 posts were demeaning to TM supporters for believing something different than he does. Of my 9, 4 were in response to those, calling him on his putdowns of supporters. (And 2 were twitting him for his walking my dog posts that demean TM supporters.) With regard to the trying to draw people into a pile on fest thang, dare I point out the party in question having to make a *second* post trying to get JohnR to pile on to a Bash Barry Fest because he didn't get what she was encouraging him to do the first time? :-) Oh, he got it. His first post was a bash, or rather a twit, that was too subtle for Barry. I just made it a little less subtle so Barry would get it. Barry really, REALLY hates being made fun of. His much-touted laughing at oneself applies only to others, not to him. As I said in my original post, it's an obsession. Some folks are so attached to their their beliefs that they cannot help but react to anyone who believes something different by trying to get them. 12 of 17 posts from Barry trying to get those who believe something other than he does. The bottom line is that as far as Barry's concerned, when TM critics try to get anyone who believes something different, it's not a function of obsession, nor of the critics' attachment to their beliefs. It's only obsession/attachment when the critics find themselves gotten by those who believe differently. As I suggested before, I think that people should look at this tendency as an example of what the belief system in question actually DOES for the people who believe in it. Are they consistently in Gotta 'get' the critic mode? Do they react to a little criticism or a little fun-poking by claiming that the critics or humor- ists are stupid or violent or some other such epithet? How does Barry react to a little criticism or fun- poking at his Gotta 'get' the supporters mode? By claiming it's obsession or attachment or fanaticism. Based on the behavior of several TM supporters here, it looks to me that if religious fanaticism is what you want from your belief system, TM is definitely the way to go. :-) Doesn't seem to matter, does it? If criticism and bashing and twitting amount to fanaticism, then the critics are *at least* as fanatical as the supporters. But unlike the supporters, the critics--two of them, at any rate--also have to *lie* when they criticize and bash and twit, which ups their fanaticism quotient significantly. Will the Pile On Queen make the 50% mark this week? 25 posts dissing or correcting TM critics out of 50? Tune in for further followups as the week progresses. I'll be keeping track of the Master of Inadvertent Irony and will report as appropriate. Note for the record that I *ignored* a half-dozen entirely gratuitous gotta get Judy bash-posts of Barry's from last week. That's a big part of what's got him so pissed off now.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ghirardelli's - Single source of chocolightenment?
Ravi, this is brilliant synopsis of the loyal opposition here to spirituality. That is funny. Rick Archer might use it on BATGAP as ghost to portray the other side of the spectrum somewhere on the BATGAP page. Great writing, it is about as succinct and nuanced a parity as it could be of a deltablues here. Best, -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: LOL..yeah he needs to spice up his trips around the City, he can learn a thing or two from Barry. He really needs to work on the skill of projecting his fears, insecurities, pain, suffering and sadness on to every situation. I mean why do we need to accept the word of Ghirardell's - are they the *authority* on all thing chocolate??? I think the joy and bliss you get out of tasting chocolate is purely subjective, why should I accept these people who are experts on chocolate as wise and chocolightened?? I reject the notion that such as a state called chocolightenment even exists. Chocolightenment really is nihilistic and life-abnegating it seems to reject all experiences as painful other than chocolate. I question anyone who thinks I'm missing out if I don't partake in chocolate and their idea of chocolightenment. Peace out. Lot of my friends are therapists and I am slowly realizing that people who consider themselves experts on *chocolightenment* are just suffering from an extreme case of *dissociative identity disorder*. I know now that I was brainwashed at 5 into believing that there was joy to be found in chocolate and that chocolightenement was a fantastic goal to achieve, thank god no more !!!
[FairfieldLife] Re: A movement defined by the inability to move
az, I assume you've changed your mind about discussing the issue of Vaj's TM status with me. But I'll respond to your other question: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, azgrey no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: PT: The advanced techniques are practiced for the same length of time as the basic one, 20 minutes twice a day. From reading your posts I know that you have received one advanced technique as well as the sidhis. I am curious why you never took any of the other advanced techniques. Personally, they have been of much greater benefit to me that the sidhi course. Each of the mantra related ones qualitatively changed my meditation, subjectively, in ways I found enjoyable. In getting to the Age of Enlightenment technique, not so much. Care to share why? Money is always an issue. I was fortunate to have gotten mine when the price, while higher than the $55 I originally paid, was still somewhat reasonable. When I got mine, the price was up to $400; this would have been in the late '70s or early '80s, so that was over $1,000 in today's dollars. For me then, that was a huge issue. I had to scrape to get that much together. I borrowed the money for the TM-Sidhis course from my mother in 1986 ($3,000 at the time) and paid her back over a couple of years; that pretty much took care of any extra cash I could have put toward additional advanced techniques. And unlike you, I found the TM-Sidhis made a huge difference in my life, so more advanced techniques didn't and haven't seemed that urgent. (I did very much enjoy the one I got, though.) I have mentioned before that I still practice and enjoy TM as well as practice and enjoy other methods of meditation. I am not sure I would pay the current asking price for an Advanced Technique. I don't think I would unless I came into a financial windfall of some sort. I'm right on the verge of retirement, and I'm not wealthy enough to be comfortable spending that kind of money on things I don't really need. Can't answer your next question; maybe someone else can. Am I correct that the current requirement for sidhi instruction is having first learned several advanced techniques? My second to last advanced technique was learned during the flying block of my sidhi course. I remember asking one of the Administrators, Doug Birx (sp?) if it was ok to do. He scratched his chin a moment, literally, and said it would be fine. I had no intention of getting one before going to the course, but found they were being given as our flying block was only a small portion of a larger course. I had a distinct feeling at the time that his ok might be related to my not experiencing any of the heavy strain I observed in a few others on the course.
[FairfieldLife] JUDY CAUGHT IN A LIE (was Re: What if they gave a pile on party...)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: Of Barry's 17 posts so far this week, 12 (70 percent) were spent dissing TM supporters, *all* of them portraying the supporters as stupid or gullible or fanatical or something else demeaning *for the crime of believing something different than he does*. Posts of mine this week with absolutely no mention of TM supporters, either by name or by inference: #274555 - dissing Patanjali, no mention of TMers #274574 - dissing Patanjali, no mention of TMers #274594 - dissing Patanjali, no mention of TMers #274596 - dissing no one, Robbie Robertson info #274599 - dissing no one, movie comment #274603 - dissing no one, scarebuddha photo #274637 - dissing Patanjali, no mention of TMers #274643 - dissing the Midwest, no mention of TMers #274644 - dissing God for killing more than Satan #274645 - dissing no one, Cracked article link #274713 - dissing Sai Baba, no mention of TMers That's 11 of 17 (or 65% of my posts this week) that do *NOT* mention any TM supporters. Unless Ms. I never lie considers Patanjali or Sai Baba (both dead) TM supporters, she just LIED. And got caught at it. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Government is broken. These guys can fix it.
So is it only in the paper edition? I don't find it on the website. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu yifuxero@... wrote: Newsweek article, April 18, 2011. (team of 20 leaders and experts suggests small, common-sense ideas that can get America moving forward right now) ... in 20 parts, here's part 1, excerpts...: 1. From Bill Bradley: Introduce health courts. The medicalmalpractice justice system has a 25 percent error rate,... ... [health courts having neutral experts making written rulings]: These courts would affirmatively defend wrongly accused doctors, and prove much better for patients injured by mistakes... ... 2. from Mitch Daniels, Governor of Indiana: Merit-based civil service. This year, we are replacing this [seniority] system with one that highly rewards the best workers and deals with the worst ... 3. Alice Waters: Healthier kids' lunches. The economics are simple: it's far cheaper to feed our children well now than to pay their hospitalization in the future. The solution: a free, wholesome school lunch for every child in America. ... 4-20, to be continued
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sai Baba Dead?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: Is that so ? Where is that abundant evidence ? Some films have been produced to try to disgrace Sai Baba, a campaign to try to blackmail Him for money. A very common tactic in one of the most corrupt countries on earth. But on FFL noone cares about facts as long as Great Beings are portrayed in a bad ligh. Just ask Rick. I can't speak to the pedo stuff but I can state as a fact that I have seen videos of him doing stage magic and passing it off as miracles. If you are trained in stage magic you actually see him doing the moves. That doesn't make any case for him being a deviant but it sure makes him a disreputable, dishonest person. I don't know how anyone can counter argue that it really IS a miracle once this has been exposed. Since this information is commonly available I am amazed that people have the ability to keep up the pretense that he was a special guy. I do understand the mindset a bit. There is no amount of evidence that will change some people's mind. I was stuck there about Maharishi. I believe that people can function in different interesting ways and of course we don't have much information at all about variations of the human mind. But I have come to the conclusion that the least likely place to find an extraordinary mind will be among the self described spiritual people. Now I am working backwards from people doing extraordinary things as evidence of them being special. Not the fanciful miracles but exceptional abilities that I share the ordinary range of. And guys like Sai Baba understood this way of looking at the evidence of specialness first before listening to them telling you how special they are. The problem was that his evidence was fraudulent. Simple as that. But he was playing on a human tendency to want proof. Or more likely the human tendency to want to believe that proof had been given without doing the humbling heavy lifting to really test the idea. Crack a 10 year old kid's magic book. Watch the films. Realize that your search for a special person must go on and you have more work to do to find someone unique. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@ wrote: Could he be both a pedophile fraud AND a planetary Avatar Nabby? Ofcourse not. A miracle. Joe and Nabby are finally agreed. Since there is abundant evidence that Sai Baba was a pedophile fraud, snip Is that so ? Where is that abundant evidence ? Some films have been produced to try to disgrace Sai Baba, a campaign to try to blackmail Him for money. A very common tactic in one of the most corrupt countries on earth. But on FFL noone cares about facts as long as Great Beings are portrayed in a bad ligh. Just ask Rick.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What if they gave a pile on party and no one came?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: On 04/15/11 02:39, turquoiseb wrote: A new FFL posting week looms, and I think we all know what to expect. A certain someone will try -- as she does every week -- to diss several people she never gets tired of dissing. While doing this she will try to draw other people into the discus- sions, and encourage them to pile on, and join her in dissing these people. It's as inevitable as death and taxes. But what if no one piled on? Wouldn't it be neat to read FFL for a whole week without having to plow through the same old boring crap discussions we've all already heard a hundred times? Not likely, but one can dream. :-) I suspect that certain someone goes through life picking fights anyway. Most likely on other places than just FFL. They won't be changing over night. Ignore them and they'll find someone else to pile on anyway. It's the sign of a very unhappy person. Of course they'll deny any of this. And if they deny it, that will prove it's true, right, Bhairitu? So here, I'll prove it for you: No, I'm very happy, thank you. And no, I don't go through life picking fights. FFL is the only corner of my life, fortunately, that harbors twisted, sadistic liars like Barry Wright and Vaj. But I notice that you, Bhairitu, don't seem to be aware that Barry's demonization of me above applies to him *at least* as much as it applies to me. You've decided that the enemy of my enemy is my friend, so you're aligning yourself with him because I've caught you out a few times, and you just can't *stand* that. You'll deny this, of course. cackle
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Fw: SNOPES EXPOSED---Finally
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: snip Reminds me that yesterday one of the two people that had lunch and saw the show with me was a factoid collector. You know, the kind of person that interrupts whatever you're saying with well actually In the age of the Internet we've become encumbered with facts or need to be absolutely correct. If we were all sitting around a table at the local Fairfield pizza joint chatting would you all have your tablets, smart phones or netbooks out to look up everything you said to make sure it was absolutely correct? I would hope not. We might well do so to check up on something we thought was wrong if it was important to the conversation and would make a significant difference. Absolutely correct is a straw man. Whether correctness matters, and to what degree, depends on what is being discussed. Approximations are perfectly appropriate in many but not all situations. And sometimes factoids can be of interest even if they're hardly relevant.
[FairfieldLife] Don't claim, demonstrate :-)
That's my FFL posting philosophy. I just describe future behavior, based on past trends. Then I just kick back and allow those I've described to either prove me correct or incorrect. Last week I made a prediction about what a certain poster would do this week (spend much of her time trying to get the same TM critics she's tried to get for years, while encouraging others to pile on and join her in the getting). So far, she has cooperated with my predictions quite admirably. I expect her to continue doing so for the rest of the week, fulfilling my second prediction, that she'll spend at least 50% of her total posts dissing these people, all of whom coincidentally happen to be critics of TM, the TMO, and Maharishi. I'm not trying to sell the rest of you anything, or claim much of anything. I just describe future behavior, and then allow you to just watch, and see how accurate I was. I've made my predictions. Now, for the rest of the posting week, I'll just kick back and watch. If any of the rest of you care, I invite you to do the same.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What if they gave a pile on party and no one came?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: What is truly funny (and kinda sad) is that it was JUDY who suggested to turqb that he consider a career in writing after he posted his story of Clint Eastwood and the holy socks on alt.meditation.transcendental. I suspect that he has forgotten who first publicly told him to go for it... I have to admit that I'm surprised you would remember a thing like that. I don't. It probably made no impression on me because when it was sup- posedly said I had been writing and selling short stories, humor, and articles for 30 years or more. I had had a career in writing (meaning a regular job at which I got paid for writing) for 20 years at that point. :-) Well, that's what *I* thought, that Barry had been writing since long before he joined alt.m.t. I didn't remember telling Barry he should be a writer. I didn't even remember the Clint Eastwood story. I managed to track it down on alt.m.t, and the person who commented that Barry should be a writer by trade was one BobBNA, not moi. Sheesh, Lawson!
[FairfieldLife] Ignorance or dishonesty, or both? (was Re: Analyzing the TMO using the eco)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: snip I know you are out of posts for this week Judy, if you wish you can answer this later; why did you not move on to become a TM-teacher ? Well, I did think about it, but there were a bunch of things in the way that I wasn't motivated highly enough to overcome. One was money; another was unwillingness to sublet my apartment while I was on TTC. A biggie was that I'm terrible at speaking in front of an audience. But mainly it was my dislike of the TMO. I knew I'd be really unhappy having to be under its thumb, as it were, for that long. So the minuses just outweighed the pluses.
[FairfieldLife] JUDY CAUGHT IN A LIE (was Re: What if they gave a pile on party...)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Of Barry's 17 posts so far this week, 12 (70 percent) were spent dissing TM supporters, *all* of them portraying the supporters as stupid or gullible or fanatical or something else demeaning *for the crime of believing something different than he does*. Posts of mine this week with absolutely no mention of TM supporters, either by name or by inference: #274555 - dissing Patanjali, no mention of TMers By inference; a response to Willytex quoting Patanjali approvingly. #274574 - dissing Patanjali, no mention of TMers By inference; dissing MMY, and dissing the spiritual teachers really DO know and we don't perspective he frequently attributes to TMers. #274594 - dissing Patanjali, no mention of TMers Begins with a lie about a TM supporter (moi). #274637 - dissing Patanjali, no mention of TMers Dissing Robert's explanation of Patanjali. #274713 - dissing Sai Baba, no mention of TMers Dissing Nabby for defending Sai Baba. That's 11 of 17 (or 65% of my posts this week) that do *NOT* mention any TM supporters. Five of which diss TM supporters by inference. Plus 6 that diss them directly equals 11. I'm not going to go back to find the 12th diss, but it's there somewhere. Unless Ms. I never lie considers Patanjali or Sai Baba (both dead) TM supporters, she just LIED. And got caught at it. I stand by my count, as above. All his anti-Patanjali posts diss TM supporters by inference, obviously. That was Barry's intention, and it's dishonest of him to pretend otherwise.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Don't claim, demonstrate :-)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: That's my FFL posting philosophy. I just describe future behavior, based on past trends. Then I just kick back and allow those I've described to either prove me correct or incorrect. You forgot a step: And then claim you've been proven correct, no matter how you have to lie and twist and misrepresent to do so, and no matter how much more accurate your descriptions of future behavior turn out to be in describing *your own* behavior.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Fw: SNOPES EXPOSED---Finally
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Apr 13, 2011, at 2:52 AM, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@ wrote: Makes total sense to me that when the messenger of truth is so often Snopes, what do you do? You kill the messenger of course! Exactly the same way that the TM supporters try to demonize anyone who criticizes TM and MMY, eh? :-) This is one of Barry Wright's Big Lies, repeated here countless times without shame. Of course, it isn't anyone who criticizes TM and MMY, it's only the critics who lie about and misrepresent TM or the TMO or MMY or TMers. Most of the critics here *do not* lie or misrepresent, so they're not demonized. And if Barry considers being called on lies and misrepresentations demonization, that obviously means he thinks it's absolutely OK to lie and misrepresent. They have to demonize, because the cannot do so through honesty and forthrightness. (As usual when he feels threatened, Vaj's syntax falls apart. What does do so refer to in the above? Do what? The only available verb is demonize, but then Vaj would be saying They have to demonize because they can't demonize through honesty and forthrightness.) This is another Big Lie. It's the dishonest critics like Barry and Vaj who cannot criticize the supporters honestly and forthrightly. Twisting the truth is their modus operandi, all the while claiming to be honest Again, this applies to the dishonest critics, not the supporters. BTW, it's a standard tactic for dishonest people who have been caught in lies and misrepresentations to turn around and accuse their accusers of lying. The dishonest ones figure this at least creates a s/he said-s/he said standoff in which observers don't know which side is telling the truth. But in the case of Barry and Vaj, it's easy to tell: they make only *blanket* accusations because they can't document or even cite any specific dishonesty on their accusers' part. The accusers, in contrast, have cited and documented Barry's and Vaj's lies and misrepresentations *from the start*. or maintaining some imaginary 'purity of the tradition'. Vaj has his own ideas on how to meditate. That's fine. What's not fine is pretending those ideas have anything to do with how MMY taught TMers to meditate. That's hardly imaginary. We have the purity of the tradition in black and white in the checking notes and initiation instructions, with a great deal of elaboration on audio and videotape from MMY himself. It's not as if we're trying to decipher old texts in an ancient language. TM is what it is. Vaj may not approve of it, but that does not entitle him to present his own notions and call them TM. Isn't it fascinating that none of the people who call themselves TM supporters ever really say anything or do anything that actually *supports* TM? Another lie. We've all said and done things to support TM. For example, as Barry well knows, I've written many times here of the benefits I've obtained from TM. All they can do is attack those who criticize it. And then they deny that they're doing the attacking. And yet *another* lie. We don't deny that we've attacked the dishonest critics, to the contrary. Strange, if you ask me. Strange Barryfantasy, no question about it. It is rather odd. But then it's said 'the student becomes like the guru' (ideally). So it should not be a surprise that ardent TM advocates become dishonest (liars), mischaracterize the truth of what others say or how things are or poison the well--these were all characteristics of their teacher. We are not dishonest; we don't mischaracterize the truth of what others say or how things are (that's what the dishonest critics do); and rather than poisoning the well, we point out how the dishonest critics have attempted to poison it. I couldn't agree more. But you left off one characteristic. *While* doing this, they consider it dharma. They actually feel that going negative on detractors is the same thing as being positive. Most people who value honesty consider the exposure of lies and misrepresentations a positive. That Barry appears to disagree tells us far more about him than it does about his critics.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Fw: SNOPES EXPOSED---Finally
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Apr 13, 2011, at 2:52 AM, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@ wrote: Makes total sense to me that when the messenger of truth is so often Snopes, what do you do? You kill the messenger of course! Exactly the same way that the TM supporters try to demonize anyone who criticizes TM and MMY, eh? :-) This is one of Barry Wright's Big Lies, repeated here countless times without shame. Of course, it isn't anyone who criticizes TM and MMY, it's only the critics who lie about and misrepresent TM or the TMO or MMY or TMers. Most of the critics here *do not* lie or misrepresent, so they're not demonized. And if Barry considers being called on lies and misrepresentations demonization, that obviously means he thinks it's absolutely OK to lie and misrepresent. They have to demonize, because the cannot do so through honesty and forthrightness. (As usual when he feels threatened, Vaj's syntax falls apart. What does do so refer to in the above? Do what? The only available verb is demonize, but then Vaj would be saying They have to demonize because they can't demonize through honesty and forthrightness.) This is another Big Lie. It's the dishonest critics like Barry and Vaj who cannot criticize the supporters honestly and forthrightly. Twisting the truth is their modus operandi, all the while claiming to be honest Again, this applies to the dishonest critics, not the supporters. BTW, it's a standard tactic for dishonest people who have been caught in lies and misrepresentations to turn around and accuse their accusers of lying. The dishonest ones figure this at least creates a s/he said-s/he said standoff in which observers don't know which side is telling the truth. But in the case of Barry and Vaj, it's easy to tell: they make only *blanket* accusations because they can't document or even cite any specific dishonesty on their accusers' part. The accusers, in contrast, have cited and documented Barry's and Vaj's lies and misrepresentations *from the start*. P.S.: Once in a while, one of them will *try* to make a specific accusation of dishonesty by a TM supporter. But those accusations are themselves dishonest, as I just demonstrated with Barry Wright's latest attempt and have done with every one of his and Vaj's previous attempts.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sai Baba Dead?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willytex@... wrote: Since there is abundant evidence that Sai Baba was a pedophile fraud... nablusoss1008: Is that so? Where is that abundant evidence? There is no evidence and there are no charges in Indian courts against Sai Baba. And, since Baba is probably dead, there's no chance for a cross-examination, so there's no case, just rumors, just like Joe posted about MMY. So, maybe Joe would like to post some evidence, or keep his big pie hole shut about other people's private sex life, or lack thereof. Good advice but he can´t. For him, Rick, Curtis, Barry et al. it´s in their blood. Their fear of someone actually having achieved enlightenment, not to mention the status of an Avatar is total. It´s probably their biggest paranoia in life to one day wake up to be confronted with the simple fact that they wasted their time while others became free.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sai Baba Dead?
--- On Tue, 4/19/11, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com wrote: From: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sai Baba Dead? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 19, 2011, 10:44 AM --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: Is that so ? Where is that abundant evidence ? Some films have been produced to try to disgrace Sai Baba, a campaign to try to blackmail Him for money. A very common tactic in one of the most corrupt countries on earth. But on FFL noone cares about facts as long as Great Beings are portrayed in a bad ligh. Just ask Rick. I can't speak to the pedo stuff but I can state as a fact that I have seen videos of him doing stage magic and passing it off as miracles. If you are trained in stage magic you actually see him doing the moves. That doesn't make any case for him being a deviant but it sure makes him a disreputable, dishonest person. I don't know how anyone can counter argue that it really IS a miracle once this has been exposed. Since this information is commonly available I am amazed that people have the ability to keep up the pretense that he was a special guy. I do understand the mindset a bit. There is no amount of evidence that will change some people's mind. I was stuck there about Maharishi. I believe that people can function in different interesting ways and of course we don't have much information at all about variations of the human mind. But I have come to the conclusion that the least likely place to find an extraordinary mind will be among the self described spiritual people. Now I am working backwards from people doing extraordinary things as evidence of them being special. Not the fanciful miracles but exceptional abilities that I share the ordinary range of. And guys like Sai Baba understood this way of looking at the evidence of specialness first before listening to them telling you how special they are. The problem was that his evidence was fraudulent. Simple as that. But he was playing on a human tendency to want proof. Or more likely the human tendency to want to believe that proof had been given without doing the humbling heavy lifting to really test the idea. Crack a 10 year old kid's magic book. Watch the films. Realize that your search for a special person must go on and you have more work to do to find someone unique. You don't even have to be a trained magician to see the really sloppy sleight-of-hand. Look at the Youtube videos. Really ridiculous stuff. Also the pedo stuff is pretty well known and even acknowledged by his organization. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@ wrote: Could he be both a pedophile fraud AND a planetary Avatar Nabby? Ofcourse not. A miracle. Joe and Nabby are finally agreed. Since there is abundant evidence that Sai Baba was a pedophile fraud, snip Is that so ? Where is that abundant evidence ? Some films have been produced to try to disgrace Sai Baba, a campaign to try to blackmail Him for money. A very common tactic in one of the most corrupt countries on earth. But on FFL noone cares about facts as long as Great Beings are portrayed in a bad ligh. Just ask Rick. To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Ghirardelli's - Single source of chocolightenment?
Also very funny, Rav. :) You and lurk are tearing the place up this morning! And that's even before coffee... On Apr 19, 2011, at 1:33 AM, Ravi Yogi wrote: Seems like you left out a lot of details here. LOL..yeah he needs to spice up his trips around the City, he can learn a thing or two from Barry. He really needs to work on the skill of projecting his fears, insecurities, pain, suffering and sadness on to every situation. I mean why do we need to accept the word of Ghirardell's - are they the *authority* on all thing chocolate??? I think the joy and bliss you get out of tasting chocolate is purely subjective, why should I accept these people who are experts on chocolate as wise and chocolightened?? I reject the notion that such as a state called chocolightenment even exists. Chocolightenment really is nihilistic and life-abnegating it seems to reject all experiences as painful other than chocolate. I question anyone who thinks I'm missing out if I don't partake in chocolate and their idea of chocolightenment. Peace out.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Afternoon at the Ghirardelli Square
This stuff is great, lurk! My kind of humor. I don't get John's messages~~in more ways than one~~so I appreciate your keeping me up-to-date on everything I'm missing. :) On Apr 18, 2011, at 10:25 PM, seventhray1 wrote: -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@... wrote: All of those scenes have a connection to FFL. For example, we are very familiar with Indian foods and what they mean in physical and spiritual sense. The golf course represents the need for recreation to enjoy life and experience bliss which the members are aware of in their meditation practice. Or maybe the 18 holes represent the 18 limbs of yoga, give or take a few. The tees are representative of the start of our spiritual journey. Of course the ladies tees are closer in possibly because women are more refined to begin with. And maybe a hole in one, which would be the ultimate achievement is really a code for thewhole of one. You may not have wanted to spell it out so explicitly.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Afternoon at the Ghirardelli Square
And this weekend is woo-woo weekend at 8th and Brannon with the New Living Expo. For $15 you can see all the crystals, astrologers, gurus, water filtering system and eat all kinds of vegetarian food. These are kinda fun especially in the 1990s when they were huge and next door at the Fashion Center with shows spilling over to other nearby buildings. Then you could even park across the street for $5. Now those parking lots have been replaced by condos and the nearest parking the last time I went was $15 for the day. Add the cost of gas and the bridge toll and it makes for an expensive day. Of course you can take BART ... if you want to. :-D http://newlivingexpo.com/ I call San Francisco No Parking because you'll see more of those signs than anything else. Unfortunately BART was an expensive blunder and doesn't get everywhere. Probably a light rail system would have been more successful. On 04/18/2011 04:08 PM, Ravi Yogi wrote: I did commute to the city for six years, so have travelled quite a bit around the city. My favorite Indian place is Pakwan in Mission. As soon as my Saturn dasha started I quit my work and now moved away from the West to the East Bay, funny how things work out. My brother-in-law wanted me to move to the east closer to my brother in Boston because of Saturn but I argued that it could be east in the Bay area and that's how it turned out to be - but I do miss the beautiful Sunsets. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Johnjr_esq@... wrote: You should visit the City more often. Have lunch at the Indian restaurant. The price is reasonable and it's all you can eat. Then, take the scenic drive as I did. JR --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogiraviyogi@ wrote: Love that place, haven't been to the city in a long time though. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Johnjr_esq@ wrote: After having lunch at an Indian restaurant at Geary and 25th Ave., I decided to take the scenic drive starting at Lincoln Park golf course. I ended up parking my car on Hyde Street where the cable cars pass to get to the Square. I was about two blocks up the hill of Buena Vista Cafe, another San Francisco landmark. After reaching the bottom of the hill, I passed by the Cannery Row and then walked towards Fishermen's Wharf. On the other side of the street is Cappuro's Restaurant, a business owned by a high school classmate's family. Then I walked towards the parking lot where I used to work when I was in high school. The parking lot is now surrounded by various vendors selling various wares for the tourists. After several minutes of walking, I ended up at the Square again where I bought a chocolate ice cream on a sugar cone. I also ended up buying a gift pack of chocolates to take home. Then, I drove home listening to a CD playing various Latin numbers featuring chacha and mambo tunes. Que sabroso...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sai Baba Dead?
Hey Pete, how did you know I am a member of sloppy sleight-of-hand.com? Oh wait, sorry, that was sloppy seconds.com that I am a member of,nevermind. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@... wrote: --- On Tue, 4/19/11, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: From: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sai Baba Dead? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 19, 2011, 10:44 AM --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: Is that so ? Where is that abundant evidence ? Some films have been produced to try to disgrace Sai Baba, a campaign to try to blackmail Him for money. A very common tactic in one of the most corrupt countries on earth. But on FFL noone cares about facts as long as Great Beings are portrayed in a bad ligh. Just ask Rick. I can't speak to the pedo stuff but I can state as a fact that I have seen videos of him doing stage magic and passing it off as miracles. If you are trained in stage magic you actually see him doing the moves. That doesn't make any case for him being a deviant but it sure makes him a disreputable, dishonest person. I don't know how anyone can counter argue that it really IS a miracle once this has been exposed. Since this information is commonly available I am amazed that people have the ability to keep up the pretense that he was a special guy. I do understand the mindset a bit. There is no amount of evidence that will change some people's mind. I was stuck there about Maharishi. I believe that people can function in different interesting ways and of course we don't have much information at all about variations of the human mind. But I have come to the conclusion that the least likely place to find an extraordinary mind will be among the self described spiritual people. Now I am working backwards from people doing extraordinary things as evidence of them being special. Not the fanciful miracles but exceptional abilities that I share the ordinary range of. And guys like Sai Baba understood this way of looking at the evidence of specialness first before listening to them telling you how special they are. The problem was that his evidence was fraudulent. Simple as that. But he was playing on a human tendency to want proof. Or more likely the human tendency to want to believe that proof had been given without doing the humbling heavy lifting to really test the idea. Crack a 10 year old kid's magic book. Watch the films. Realize that your search for a special person must go on and you have more work to do to find someone unique. You don't even have to be a trained magician to see the really sloppy sleight-of-hand. Look at the Youtube videos. Really ridiculous stuff. Also the pedo stuff is pretty well known and even acknowledged by his organization. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@ wrote: Could he be both a pedophile fraud AND a planetary Avatar Nabby? Ofcourse not. A miracle. Joe and Nabby are finally agreed. Since there is abundant evidence that Sai Baba was a pedophile fraud, snip Is that so ? Where is that abundant evidence ? Some films have been produced to try to disgrace Sai Baba, a campaign to try to blackmail Him for money. A very common tactic in one of the most corrupt countries on earth. But on FFL noone cares about facts as long as Great Beings are portrayed in a bad ligh. Just ask Rick. To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com
[FairfieldLife] Politically Correct Self Pleasuring
Ethicists Update List Of Acceptable Things To Masturbate To [360] Experts say the new list would help Americans more effectively pleasure themselves. CAMBRIDGE, MAUnveiling what may be the most comprehensive guide to socially responsible self-pleasure ever published, a group of leading ethicists released Monday its list of things that are acceptable to masturbate to. The 2011 edition of the Standards and Values in Autoerotic Practices is the first revision in 17 years of the venerable reference used to determine what images and thoughts are appropriate stimuli for bringing oneself to orgasm. This list recognizes our changing cultural attitudes and offers an ethical framework to address all aspects of the current masturbatory climate, said Harvard University philosophy professor Greg Hawkins, the publication's lead editor. Now, when pleasuring themselves, Americans can determine whether to proceed with a clear conscience, or recoil in self-disgust. Many changes reflect new realities posed by the Internet, which was barely mentioned in the last edition of the SVAP. For example, the revised guide declares it permissible to reach climax while perusing photos from the Facebook profile of a coworker or a spouse's friend; however, masturbating to online hidden-camera videos of a woman using a tanning bed is deemed troubling, and unfit for self-gratification. Other revisions simply take into account the passage of time, with guidelines now declaring it acceptable to freely touch oneself when thinking about or viewing images of Natalie Portman, a practice that had been explicitly prohibited under rules written in 1994, when the actress was 12 years old. And that goes for men and women both, because one of our top priorities this time was to eliminate all bias against homosexual impulses, Hawkins said of the 2011 edition, which for the first time ranks masturbating to a member of the same sex as entirely ethical. Arousing himself with thoughts of a naked Jon Hamm brushing past him in a locker room is every man's moral right. The revised list of onanism-appropriate subjects also includes friends' mothers, President Barack Obama, first lady Michelle Obama, pre- and post-op transsexuals, the late actor Heath Ledger (with the firm caveat that he only be masturbated to as a living person), and Ohio resident Adam Clemons, who was in terrible shape back in the '90s, but has, according to ethicists, really pulled himself together nicely. The new SVAP also resolves a pair of longstanding debates by determining that it is weird, but not unethical, to masturbate to one's own reflection in a full-length mirror, and that it is also fine to masturbate to the mentally challengeda reversal of previous guidelines and an affirmation that all persons may provide erotic inspiration, regardless of cognitive capacity. For the 23rd consecutive edition, masturbating to a litter of newborn puppies is classified as wrong, wrong, wrong. Since its first publication in 1795, which counseled gentlemen of quality to grasp themselves only when moved by the most refined and upright appreciation of a woman's figure, Standards and Values in Autoerotic Practices has often been accused of being incomplete. Even after the sexual revolution of the '60s and '70s, during which the book quadrupled in length, many still argue it is still inadequate. This new list may be an improvement, but it is still mystifyingly silent on such mainstays as nannies, shoes, and the scent of a cousin's panties, Amherst College ethicist Joshua McBride said. Another edition and another slap in the face to people who enjoy grinding against stuffed animals. However, those whose preferred masturbatory stimulus appeared on the list said they were grateful to have the validation they had long sought. You think you're always going to feel like a deviant for rubbing one out while you fantasize about being forced to drink your own breast milk by your brother-in-law, Phoenix resident Denise Berger said. But then, all of a sudden, you're a decent person. See, it's right there on page 296. The SVAP's editors acknowledged that their endeavor will likely always remain unfinished, since people have a near infinite capacity for finding new ways to excite themselves while manipulating their genitalia for self-pleasure. No doubt, another edition will always be required, Professor Hawkins said. The human imagination won't let us rest very long. But, honestly, I'm just happy I finally got 'amputee' in there, Hawkins added. You have no idea.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sai Baba Dead?
-- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: Good advice but he can´t. For him, Rick, Curtis, Barry et al. it´s in their blood. Their fear of someone actually having achieved enlightenment, not to mention the status of an Avatar is total. It´s probably their biggest paranoia in life to one day wake up to be confronted with the simple fact that they wasted their time while others became free. I was surprised to see you include Rick in that list Nabby. I mean the guy created a massive project devoted to giving a voice to people who claim to have achieved a higher state. I can't think of anybody less afraid of the idea that someone achieved enlightenment. Maybe your beef is that Rick has also presented information that may lead a person to conclude that with or without any higher states, guys like Maharishi can do disreputable things. Is it the tarnishing of any aspect of the perfection persona that you object to? As far as I go (I'll bet Barry will speak for himself) I don't see any evidence that anyone is becoming free. Quite the opposite. It seems to me that your lack of ability to even acknowledge obvious facts about these guys, (like Sai's Mr. Magic Show right out of the box) leads me to believe that your ability to separate fact from fantasy is highly impaired. You are on equal footing with Christians who claim that they are saved and you and me are not. Now the wasting time aspect is interesting. I can't say that you are wasting you time pursuing ideas and beliefs that obviously give you a lot of happiness. I sincerely believe you are misguided, but hell, we all make our choices of what to pay attention to and what to ignore in life. But I am no more afraid of making a mistake not following your bread crumbs than you are about rejecting the Christians who believe as sincerely as you do that you are dammed to an eternity in hell. My freedom, and what I had been pursuing under the umbrella name of enlightenment, came when I dropped the beliefs you hold so dear. It allowed me to find my self in the world, what I used to call dharma. And the joy it has given me is complete. It was exactly what I had been looking for all along. So I can be happy for you that you found what makes you happy. Can you do the same for me? None of us got an owner's manual for this life. We are all pilgrims finding our way. If I met you in person and clocked your beliefs you would probably never know that I am skeptical about those beliefs. Interacting on a board like this makes the usual barriers of respect between people harder. That is a plus and a minus. In fact in person in a social setting I would love to wind you up and get you talking about your beliefs. They fascinate me. And then you would tool off believing that you had made another convert, and I could go on interviewing another cellmate in the human zoo. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willytex@ wrote: Since there is abundant evidence that Sai Baba was a pedophile fraud... nablusoss1008: Is that so? Where is that abundant evidence? There is no evidence and there are no charges in Indian courts against Sai Baba. And, since Baba is probably dead, there's no chance for a cross-examination, so there's no case, just rumors, just like Joe posted about MMY. So, maybe Joe would like to post some evidence, or keep his big pie hole shut about other people's private sex life, or lack thereof. Good advice but he can´t. For him, Rick, Curtis, Barry et al. it´s in their blood. Their fear of someone actually having achieved enlightenment, not to mention the status of an Avatar is total. It´s probably their biggest paranoia in life to one day wake up to be confronted with the simple fact that they wasted their time while others became free.
[FairfieldLife] Maharishi Gandharva Veda Concert on 25 April 2011 Live Online from Holland
Maharishi Gandharva Veda Concert 25 April 2011 at 8:00 pm Holland Time Live from the TheaterHotel de Orangerie, Roermond, Holland. APPLY TO WATCH THE CONCERT LIVE ONLINE Enjoy a spectacular display of melodies, rhythms, and beats of instrumental Indian classical music performed by two renowned artists from India: 1. The legendary Pandit Hariprasad Chaurasia, flautist extraordinaire accompanied on tabla by the virtuoso Pandit Vijay Ghate. 2. The Raga-Pianist Utsav Lal, Young Steinway Artist, accompanied on tabla by the versatile Sandip Bhattacharya. Experience the music that will fill you with inner peace, harmony and bliss—music that will truly unite you with the eternal harmony in nature. Enjoy this unique concert live online! Click here to register Jai Guru Dev
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Gandharva Veda Concert on 25 April 2011 Live Online from Holland
Maharishi Gandharva Veda® Don't forget the service marks Merlin --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merlin vedamerlin@... wrote: Maharishi Gandharva Veda Concert 25 April 2011 at 8:00 pm Holland Time Live from the TheaterHotel de Orangerie, Roermond, Holland. APPLY TO WATCH THE CONCERT LIVE ONLINE Â Enjoy a spectacular display of melodies, rhythms, and beats of instrumental Indian classical music performed by two renowned artists from India: Â 1. The legendary Pandit Hariprasad Chaurasia, flautist extraordinaire accompanied on tabla by the virtuoso Pandit Vijay Ghate. Â 2. The Raga-Pianist Utsav Lal, Young Steinway Artist, accompanied on tabla by the versatile Sandip Bhattacharya. Â Experience the music that will fill you with inner peace, harmony and blissâmusic that will truly unite you with the eternal harmony in nature. Enjoy this unique concert live online! Â Click here to register Jai Guru Dev
[FairfieldLife] Every Thought
A (short) message of Hope: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_YOG3jMlV4feature=player_embedded#at=26 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_YOG3jMlV4feature=player_embedded#at=2\ 6
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sai Baba Dead?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: Good advice but he can´t. For him, Rick, Curtis, Barry et al. it´s in their blood. Their fear of someone actually having achieved enlightenment, not to mention the status of an Avatar is total. It´s probably their biggest paranoia in life to one day wake up to be confronted with the simple fact that they wasted their time while others became free. I was surprised to see you include Rick in that list Nabby. I mean the guy created a massive project devoted to giving a voice to people who claim to have achieved a higher state. Claim being the operative word. :-) As far as I go (I'll bet Barry will speak for himself) I don't see any evidence that anyone is becoming free. I wasn't going to bother to comment because, after all, it's Nabby. Who cares what someone who believes that Sri Sri Con Man Sai Baba is an avatar because of what Sri Sri Even Bigger Con Man Benjamin Creme told him says? :-) But for the fun of it, I still believe that a state that fits *some* of the classic descriptions of enlightenment exists, and consider it possible that some in history have achieved it. Big whoop. If either Maharishi or Rama were enlightened, I don't want it. Far from being free, I consider both of them among the most bound and attached human beings I've ever met. I've met cabbies and bellhops and hookers who were more free. And more honest. The thing is, I don't confer the supposedly enlight- ened with any special qualities, even though they often confer specialnessitude upon themselves. Who- ever they are, past or present, I hold them to the same standards I would hold anyone else. And these are *objective* standards. Do they lie? Do they break the law and commit fraud? Do they abuse the trust of students by sleeping with them? All of these things were done by both Maharishi and Rama. Knowing what I know about them, I wouldn't willingly be *friends* with either of them, much less consider them what most people think of the enlightened. That said, I consider enlightenment very possible, but again the Big Whoop Factor wins out for me. I don't seek it myself, and don't recommend that others seek it unless they get off on the idea.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Every Thought
A (short) message of Hope: This is an interesting short. Very much about meditation and the value thereof making no mention of particular technique and it then comes together in the end advocating meditating ecumenically. Very highly produced. On the one hand there is the head of TM speaking, pictures of Buddhists, some secular people, science researchers that have nothing to do with TM talking, some charts related to TM studies but un-identified as such to make a larger point. Yet throughout, particularly no mention of TM. Was that edited this way because TM is seen as being too controversial, spiritually material and buzzy in the marketplace to mention in a larger exposition like this one? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_YOG3jMlV4feature=player_embedded#at=26
[FairfieldLife] Re: Afternoon at the Ghirardelli Square
Bhairitu, Now that you mentioned astrologers, I just got an email from someone that Sanjay Rath, a well-known jyotishi from India, will be coming back to the Bay Area to hold a seminar on how to read the Vimsamsa Chart among other things. He's scheduled to teach around the latter part of May 2011. The organizers are still trying to find a venue to hold the seminar at the present moment. JR --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: And this weekend is woo-woo weekend at 8th and Brannon with the New Living Expo. For $15 you can see all the crystals, astrologers, gurus, water filtering system and eat all kinds of vegetarian food. These are kinda fun especially in the 1990s when they were huge and next door at the Fashion Center with shows spilling over to other nearby buildings. Then you could even park across the street for $5. Now those parking lots have been replaced by condos and the nearest parking the last time I went was $15 for the day. Add the cost of gas and the bridge toll and it makes for an expensive day. Of course you can take BART ... if you want to. :-D http://newlivingexpo.com/ I call San Francisco No Parking because you'll see more of those signs than anything else. Unfortunately BART was an expensive blunder and doesn't get everywhere. Probably a light rail system would have been more successful. On 04/18/2011 04:08 PM, Ravi Yogi wrote: I did commute to the city for six years, so have travelled quite a bit around the city. My favorite Indian place is Pakwan in Mission. As soon as my Saturn dasha started I quit my work and now moved away from the West to the East Bay, funny how things work out. My brother-in-law wanted me to move to the east closer to my brother in Boston because of Saturn but I argued that it could be east in the Bay area and that's how it turned out to be - but I do miss the beautiful Sunsets. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Johnjr_esq@ wrote: You should visit the City more often. Have lunch at the Indian restaurant. The price is reasonable and it's all you can eat. Then, take the scenic drive as I did. JR --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogiraviyogi@ wrote: Love that place, haven't been to the city in a long time though. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Johnjr_esq@ wrote: After having lunch at an Indian restaurant at Geary and 25th Ave., I decided to take the scenic drive starting at Lincoln Park golf course. I ended up parking my car on Hyde Street where the cable cars pass to get to the Square. I was about two blocks up the hill of Buena Vista Cafe, another San Francisco landmark. After reaching the bottom of the hill, I passed by the Cannery Row and then walked towards Fishermen's Wharf. On the other side of the street is Cappuro's Restaurant, a business owned by a high school classmate's family. Then I walked towards the parking lot where I used to work when I was in high school. The parking lot is now surrounded by various vendors selling various wares for the tourists. After several minutes of walking, I ended up at the Square again where I bought a chocolate ice cream on a sugar cone. I also ended up buying a gift pack of chocolates to take home. Then, I drove home listening to a CD playing various Latin numbers featuring chacha and mambo tunes. Que sabroso...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ghirardelli's - Single source of chocolightenment?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: After having lunch at an Indian restaurant at Geary and 25th Ave.,You didn't tell us what time I decided to take the scenic drive starting at Lincoln Park golf course. I ended up parking my car on Hyde Street where the cable cars pass to get to the Square. which side of the street? I was about two blocks up the hill of Buena Vista Cafe, another San Francisco landmark. After reaching the bottom of the hill, I passed by the Cannery Row were there any benches on the sidewalk? and then walked towards Fishermen's Wharf. On the other side of the street is Cappuro's Restaurant, a business owned by a high school classmate's family. oh wow. was your friend of average height, or was he shorter or taller than most other classmates? Then I walked towards the parking lot where I used to work when I was in high school. The parking lot is now surrounded by various vendors selling various wares for the tourists. you mean like little replicas of the Golden Gate Bridge, or like trolley cars? About how many vendors do you think there were? After several minutes of walking, I ended up at the Square again where I bought a chocolate ice cream on a sugar cone. did any of the ice cream drip from the bottom? Also, did they charge extra for the sugar cone? Sometimes they do I also ended up buying a gift pack of chocolates to take home. they didn't get melty did they? Then, I drove home listening to a CD playing various Latin numbers featuring chacha and mambo tunes. Que sabroso... was there much traffic? how many traffic lights do you estimate you had to go through? Any idea of how many were green, how many yellow, how many red? Seems like you left out a lot of details here. LOL..yeah he needs to spice up his trips around the City, he can learn a thing or two from Barry. He really needs to work on the skill of projecting his fears, insecurities, pain, suffering and sadness on to every situation. I mean why do we need to accept the word of Ghirardell's - are they the *authority* on all thing chocolate??? I think the joy and bliss you get out of tasting chocolate is purely subjective, why should I accept these people who are experts on chocolate as wise and chocolightened?? I reject the notion that such as a state called chocolightenment even exists. Chocolightenment really is nihilistic and life-abnegating it seems to reject all experiences as painful other than chocolate. I question anyone who thinks I'm missing out if I don't partake in chocolate and their idea of chocolightenment. Peace out. Ravi, Please, don't talk too much about this new meditation technique. Pretty soon someone here will hold a seminar on the wonders of chocolates for enlightenment. And, you will not get a penny for the course fees. JR
[FairfieldLife] Dispensing with Myth
http://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/five-myths-about-why-the-south-seceded/2011/01/03/ABHr6jD_story.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Afternoon at the Ghirardelli Square
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: After having lunch at an Indian restaurant at Geary and 25th Ave.,You didn't tell us what time I decided to take the scenic drive starting at Lincoln Park golf course. I ended up parking my car on Hyde Street where the cable cars pass to get to the Square. which side of the street? I was about two blocks up the hill of Buena Vista Cafe, another San Francisco landmark. After reaching the bottom of the hill, I passed by the Cannery Row were there any benches on the sidewalk? and then walked towards Fishermen's Wharf. On the other side of the street is Cappuro's Restaurant, a business owned by a high school classmate's family. oh wow. was your friend of average height, or was he shorter or taller than most other classmates? Then I walked towards the parking lot where I used to work when I was in high school. The parking lot is now surrounded by various vendors selling various wares for the tourists. you mean like little replicas of the Golden Gate Bridge, or like trolley cars? About how many vendors do you think there were? After several minutes of walking, I ended up at the Square again where I bought a chocolate ice cream on a sugar cone. did any of the ice cream drip from the bottom? Also, did they charge extra for the sugar cone? Sometimes they do I also ended up buying a gift pack of chocolates to take home. they didn't get melty did they? Then, I drove home listening to a CD playing various Latin numbers featuring chacha and mambo tunes. Que sabroso... was there much traffic? how many traffic lights do you estimate you had to go through? Any idea of how many were green, how many yellow, how many red? Seems like you left out a lot of details here. Seventhray1, I'm developing a new style of writing a la Ernest Hemingway. Or, it could be called the minimalist style for struggling writers. But I'm glad the piece elicited a reaction from you and others. JR
[FairfieldLife] Re: Afternoon at the Ghirardelli Square
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: After having lunch at an Indian restaurant at Geary and 25th Ave., I decided to take the scenic drive starting at Lincoln Park golf course. I ended up parking my car on Hyde Street where the cable cars pass to get to the Square. I was about two blocks up the hill of Buena Vista Cafe, another San Francisco landmark. After reaching the bottom of the hill, I passed by the Cannery Row and then walked towards Fishermen's Wharf. On the other side of the street is Cappuro's Restaurant, a business owned by a high school classmate's family. Then I walked towards the parking lot where I used to work when I was in high school. The parking lot is now surrounded by various vendors selling various wares for the tourists. After several minutes of walking, I ended up at the Square again where I bought a chocolate ice cream on a sugar cone. I also ended up buying a gift pack of chocolates to take home. Then, I drove home listening to a CD playing various Latin numbers featuring chacha and mambo tunes. Que sabroso... Yeah, but what did you see that reminded you of FFL? Judy, All of those scenes have a connection to FFL. For example, we are very familiar with Indian foods and what they mean in physical and spiritual sense. The golf course represents the need for recreation to enjoy life and experience bliss which the members are aware of in their meditation practice. Judy, The scenes during the walk represent the various experiences that the members have during the waking consciousness. The ice cream and chocolates are the sweetness we experience during TC as we continue the meditation practice. The drive home with the music represents the meditation practice as we hope to get home to attain cosmic consciousness. Well, yes, but you must have drawn some conclusions, had some critiques, some advice, some words of wisdom for us on how we should conduct our lives and how we are to think about things, how we can make ourselves better people by adjusting our spiritual and everyday perspectives to bring them into accord with, you know, whatever it is you want us to bring them into accord with. I mean, there's no *sermon* attached to your account. You didn't *denounce* anybody; you didn't hold anybody up as a shining example for praise and exaltation, not even yourself! That's what we're used to here. I realize this is your first attempt to write a How What I Saw During My Walk Made It Clear Just What Is Wrong with FFL piece, but you need to think about the didactic element, the lesson to be learned. That's really what you should start with, and then figure out how to wrap your experiences on the walk around it, so that it appears the profound insights came from your walk. Maybe it would help if you got a dog or two? Judy, I wrote that essay based on how I felt at the moment, or stream of consciousness as others may say. But it apparently caught some of the style from the vedic literature, which I've been pondering in relationship with jyotish principles. As you can see, there may be some deep symbolisms that are hidden in the writing. Now Ravi has found that there could be a new meditation technique that revolves around chocolates for the enlightenment of all. If nothing else, this technique should be good for anyone's taste buds. And, I apparently even got seventhray1 curious for the sequel to the essay. Even Sal Sunshine got in some of her trademark snippets. A dog or two? Who could those be? If you look hard enough, the message/symbolism may be found in the essay itself. Regards, JR ;-)
[FairfieldLife] Conspirators
- Subject: Conspirators fairly good movie, Conspirators (or Conspirator?) mostly about the trial, convinction, and hanging of Mary Surratt; (along with the other 3). Directed by Robert Redford, recommended if you're into history and/or Constitutional Law. Basically, presented as a gross miscarriage of justice re: Mary Surratt. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Execution_Lincoln_assassins.jpg http://www.museumsyndicate.com/images/4/37178.jpg .
[FairfieldLife] Saving dolphins
http://www.joyoftech.com/joyoftech/joyarchives/1521.html
[FairfieldLife] Hilarious Geek Heart
http://www.geekculture.com/geeklove/geeklove.html Click on to various parts of the heart.
[FairfieldLife] Geek TV
click on to any of the circles. Funny! http://www.geekculture.com/geektv/geektv.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ghirardelli's - Single source of chocolightenment?
Thank you Buckji. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: Ravi, this is brilliant synopsis of the loyal opposition here to spirituality. That is funny. Rick Archer might use it on BATGAP as ghost to portray the other side of the spectrum somewhere on the BATGAP page. Great writing, it is about as succinct and nuanced a parity as it could be of a deltablues here. Best, -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: LOL..yeah he needs to spice up his trips around the City, he can learn a thing or two from Barry. He really needs to work on the skill of projecting his fears, insecurities, pain, suffering and sadness on to every situation. I mean why do we need to accept the word of Ghirardell's - are they the *authority* on all thing chocolate??? I think the joy and bliss you get out of tasting chocolate is purely subjective, why should I accept these people who are experts on chocolate as wise and chocolightened?? I reject the notion that such as a state called chocolightenment even exists. Chocolightenment really is nihilistic and life-abnegating it seems to reject all experiences as painful other than chocolate. I question anyone who thinks I'm missing out if I don't partake in chocolate and their idea of chocolightenment. Peace out. Lot of my friends are therapists and I am slowly realizing that people who consider themselves experts on *chocolightenment* are just suffering from an extreme case of *dissociative identity disorder*. I know now that I was brainwashed at 5 into believing that there was joy to be found in chocolate and that chocolightenement was a fantastic goal to achieve, thank god no more !!!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ghirardelli's - Single source of chocolightenment?
Thank you Sallyji. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@... wrote: Also very funny, Rav. :) You and lurk are tearing the place up this morning! And that's even before coffee... On Apr 19, 2011, at 1:33 AM, Ravi Yogi wrote: Seems like you left out a lot of details here. LOL..yeah he needs to spice up his trips around the City, he can learn a thing or two from Barry. He really needs to work on the skill of projecting his fears, insecurities, pain, suffering and sadness on to every situation. I mean why do we need to accept the word of Ghirardell's - are they the *authority* on all thing chocolate??? I think the joy and bliss you get out of tasting chocolate is purely subjective, why should I accept these people who are experts on chocolate as wise and chocolightened?? I reject the notion that such as a state called chocolightenment even exists. Chocolightenment really is nihilistic and life-abnegating it seems to reject all experiences as painful other than chocolate. I question anyone who thinks I'm missing out if I don't partake in chocolate and their idea of chocolightenment. Peace out.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Afternoon at the Ghirardelli Square
Sanjay is a good astrologer but if you do attend please be discriminating enough to absorb the good techniques he passes along and reject the personal propaganda that he and his disciples indulge in like Sun in 5th is a good indicator of moksha - that's from his chart and just plain BS. He is a good jyotish Guru and that's it - you can ignore some of the spiritual crap that he dumps along. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@... wrote: Bhairitu, Now that you mentioned astrologers, I just got an email from someone that Sanjay Rath, a well-known jyotishi from India, will be coming back to the Bay Area to hold a seminar on how to read the Vimsamsa Chart among other things. He's scheduled to teach around the latter part of May 2011. The organizers are still trying to find a venue to hold the seminar at the present moment. JR --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: And this weekend is woo-woo weekend at 8th and Brannon with the New Living Expo. For $15 you can see all the crystals, astrologers, gurus, water filtering system and eat all kinds of vegetarian food. These are kinda fun especially in the 1990s when they were huge and next door at the Fashion Center with shows spilling over to other nearby buildings. Then you could even park across the street for $5. Now those parking lots have been replaced by condos and the nearest parking the last time I went was $15 for the day. Add the cost of gas and the bridge toll and it makes for an expensive day. Of course you can take BART ... if you want to. :-D http://newlivingexpo.com/ I call San Francisco No Parking because you'll see more of those signs than anything else. Unfortunately BART was an expensive blunder and doesn't get everywhere. Probably a light rail system would have been more successful. On 04/18/2011 04:08 PM, Ravi Yogi wrote: I did commute to the city for six years, so have travelled quite a bit around the city. My favorite Indian place is Pakwan in Mission. As soon as my Saturn dasha started I quit my work and now moved away from the West to the East Bay, funny how things work out. My brother-in-law wanted me to move to the east closer to my brother in Boston because of Saturn but I argued that it could be east in the Bay area and that's how it turned out to be - but I do miss the beautiful Sunsets. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Johnjr_esq@ wrote: You should visit the City more often. Have lunch at the Indian restaurant. The price is reasonable and it's all you can eat. Then, take the scenic drive as I did. JR --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogiraviyogi@ wrote: Love that place, haven't been to the city in a long time though. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Johnjr_esq@ wrote: After having lunch at an Indian restaurant at Geary and 25th Ave., I decided to take the scenic drive starting at Lincoln Park golf course. I ended up parking my car on Hyde Street where the cable cars pass to get to the Square. I was about two blocks up the hill of Buena Vista Cafe, another San Francisco landmark. After reaching the bottom of the hill, I passed by the Cannery Row and then walked towards Fishermen's Wharf. On the other side of the street is Cappuro's Restaurant, a business owned by a high school classmate's family. Then I walked towards the parking lot where I used to work when I was in high school. The parking lot is now surrounded by various vendors selling various wares for the tourists. After several minutes of walking, I ended up at the Square again where I bought a chocolate ice cream on a sugar cone. I also ended up buying a gift pack of chocolates to take home. Then, I drove home listening to a CD playing various Latin numbers featuring chacha and mambo tunes. Que sabroso...
[FairfieldLife] Gov't is broken - these guys can fix it
Newsweek article, April 18, 2011. continued...summary and excerpts. (couldn't find online copy) more on #1: Eric Schmidt, former CEO, Google: Neutralize frivolous patent claims ...infringement claim damages should be tied to the actual value added by a patented feature - not the entire product, which might have thousands of parts. ... #2 Bill Bradley - Introduce health courts. [covered before]. #3 Mitch Daniels - Merit-based civil service #4 Alice Waters - Healthier kids' lunches #5 Mark Cuban, Owner, Dallas Mavericks; - Streamline entrepreneurial paperwork. Today, it's impossible to start a business without professional help. Paperwork strangles small businesses before they start - this country's greatest inhibitor to job growth. ... #6 Mike Bloomberg - eliminate seniority hierarchy in eduction. Last in, first out would jeopardize that progress - and harm our kids #7 Peter Orszag - Modernize shipping requirements. The Jones Act of 1920 requires all shipping between American pots to occur on US - flagged, built, owned, and manned ships, unlike other forms of transportation.. ...even a quarter-century ago, this rule cost America more than $250,000 for each job it saved. ... to be continued
[FairfieldLife] GOP 2012 Candidates Compete to fit the Image
Take a look: http://thepoliticalcarnival.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/gop2012.jpg
[FairfieldLife] Steve DeWitt's encounter with the Dalai Lama
Scroll down about 2/3. http://www.soundcurrentrider.com/CausalPlane.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Conversation With Patanjali
It occurs to me that in these two paragraphs intended to diss Patanjali, there are two sentences, one in each paragraph, that inadvertently exemplify what he meant by experience is painful. Can anybody identify them? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: snip This was 1960. Global pollution had not at that point obscured the skies. So I'd go out there in the middle of the night, lie down on my back, and just gaze at the stars. *Millions* of stars. Back then, as seen from North Africa, there was not a patch of sky bigger than the little fingernail on my hand held out at arm's length that didn't contain stars; the sky was *all* stars. And it was majestic. Gazing at it uplifted me and left me with nothing but an appreciation of how incredibly *beautiful* life was, and how fulfilling. Patanjali would have me believe that this experience was painful. I think Patanjali was full of shit. Cut to last night. After a short rain that cleared the air of the atmospheric haze so normal at this time of year, I walked out to the lake near my house, spread out a blanket, lay down on my back, and gazed at the stars again. And they were majestic, even though I could only see about a tenth of the stars I used to see in Morocco. Gazing at the sky uplifted me again and left me with nothing but an appreciation of how incredibly *beautiful* life is, and STILL is. I'd be hard-pressed to describe this experience as painful, too.
[FairfieldLife] Post Count
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Steve DeWitt's encounter with the Dalai Lama
Who is Steve DeWitt? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu yifuxero@... wrote: Scroll down about 2/3. http://www.soundcurrentrider.com/CausalPlane.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Steve DeWitt's encounter with the Dalai Lama
He's an Eckankar initiate. Thee Master he mentions as his travel guide into the inner planes is Harold Klemp, the current Eckankar Guru. ... Here's Chief Hairy Wolf: http://www.museumsyndicate.com/images/6/50547.jpg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 wayback71@... wrote: Who is Steve DeWitt? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu yifuxero@ wrote: Scroll down about 2/3. http://www.soundcurrentrider.com/CausalPlane.html
[FairfieldLife] Spot Barry's pain contest ( Was Re: A Conversation With Patanjali)
I'll take a stab at it. Paragraph 1 - This was easy - Patanjali was full of shit. Paragraph 2 - I could only see about a tenth of stars that I do in Morocco. How did I do Judy? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: It occurs to me that in these two paragraphs intended to diss Patanjali, there are two sentences, one in each paragraph, that inadvertently exemplify what he meant by experience is painful. Can anybody identify them? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: snip This was 1960. Global pollution had not at that point obscured the skies. So I'd go out there in the middle of the night, lie down on my back, and just gaze at the stars. *Millions* of stars. Back then, as seen from North Africa, there was not a patch of sky bigger than the little fingernail on my hand held out at arm's length that didn't contain stars; the sky was *all* stars. And it was majestic. Gazing at it uplifted me and left me with nothing but an appreciation of how incredibly *beautiful* life was, and how fulfilling. Patanjali would have me believe that this experience was painful. I think Patanjali was full of shit. Cut to last night. After a short rain that cleared the air of the atmospheric haze so normal at this time of year, I walked out to the lake near my house, spread out a blanket, lay down on my back, and gazed at the stars again. And they were majestic, even though I could only see about a tenth of the stars I used to see in Morocco. Gazing at the sky uplifted me again and left me with nothing but an appreciation of how incredibly *beautiful* life is, and STILL is. I'd be hard-pressed to describe this experience as painful, too.
[FairfieldLife] Spot Barry's pain contest ( Was Re: A Conversation With Patanjali)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: I'll take a stab at it. Paragraph 1 - This was easy - Patanjali was full of shit. Paragraph 2 - I could only see about a tenth of stars that I do in Morocco. How did I do Judy? You got the second one. Your first isn't the one I had in mind, but it works, so let's add it. Can you find another one in the first paragraph? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: It occurs to me that in these two paragraphs intended to diss Patanjali, there are two sentences, one in each paragraph, that inadvertently exemplify what he meant by experience is painful. Can anybody identify them? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: snip This was 1960. Global pollution had not at that point obscured the skies. So I'd go out there in the middle of the night, lie down on my back, and just gaze at the stars. *Millions* of stars. Back then, as seen from North Africa, there was not a patch of sky bigger than the little fingernail on my hand held out at arm's length that didn't contain stars; the sky was *all* stars. And it was majestic. Gazing at it uplifted me and left me with nothing but an appreciation of how incredibly *beautiful* life was, and how fulfilling. Patanjali would have me believe that this experience was painful. I think Patanjali was full of shit. Cut to last night. After a short rain that cleared the air of the atmospheric haze so normal at this time of year, I walked out to the lake near my house, spread out a blanket, lay down on my back, and gazed at the stars again. And they were majestic, even though I could only see about a tenth of the stars I used to see in Morocco. Gazing at the sky uplifted me again and left me with nothing but an appreciation of how incredibly *beautiful* life is, and STILL is. I'd be hard-pressed to describe this experience as painful, too.
[FairfieldLife] Spot Barry's pain contest ( Was Re: A Conversation With Patanjali)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: I'll take a stab at it. Paragraph 1 - This was easy - Patanjali was full of shit. Paragraph 2 - I could only see about a tenth of stars that I do in Morocco. How did I do Judy? You got the second one. Your first isn't the one I had in mind, but it works, so let's add it. Can you find another one in the first paragraph? Ooh I love spot the anything contests - anyway the only other thing I have is the Global pollution which I think is covered in the 2nd paragraph. So I just have Barry has pain with authority (Patanjali is full of shit) in the first para and Barry has pains with pollution (viz the number of stars in 1960's Morocco vs 2011 Holland). I'm sorry that's the best I could do. I take this opportunity to thank the hostess Judy for arranging this contest and thank FFL for providing this beautiful venue. I hope we have more of this Spot Barry's pain contests in the future. It has been my pleasure to participate in this contest. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: It occurs to me that in these two paragraphs intended to diss Patanjali, there are two sentences, one in each paragraph, that inadvertently exemplify what he meant by experience is painful. Can anybody identify them? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: snip This was 1960. Global pollution had not at that point obscured the skies. So I'd go out there in the middle of the night, lie down on my back, and just gaze at the stars. *Millions* of stars. Back then, as seen from North Africa, there was not a patch of sky bigger than the little fingernail on my hand held out at arm's length that didn't contain stars; the sky was *all* stars. And it was majestic. Gazing at it uplifted me and left me with nothing but an appreciation of how incredibly *beautiful* life was, and how fulfilling. Patanjali would have me believe that this experience was painful. I think Patanjali was full of shit. Cut to last night. After a short rain that cleared the air of the atmospheric haze so normal at this time of year, I walked out to the lake near my house, spread out a blanket, lay down on my back, and gazed at the stars again. And they were majestic, even though I could only see about a tenth of the stars I used to see in Morocco. Gazing at the sky uplifted me again and left me with nothing but an appreciation of how incredibly *beautiful* life is, and STILL is. I'd be hard-pressed to describe this experience as painful, too.
[FairfieldLife] Spot Barry's pain contest ( Was Re: A Conversation With Patanjali)
Stars in Morocco... http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_cIUNPAo_V54/SfBFO6PEBdI/Cx4/9adWAwZrn3U/s400/Fans.jpg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: I'll take a stab at it. Paragraph 1 - This was easy - Patanjali was full of shit. Paragraph 2 - I could only see about a tenth of stars that I do in Morocco. How did I do Judy? You got the second one. Your first isn't the one I had in mind, but it works, so let's add it. Can you find another one in the first paragraph? Ooh I love spot the anything contests - anyway the only other thing I have is the Global pollution which I think is covered in the 2nd paragraph. So I just have Barry has pain with authority (Patanjali is full of shit) in the first para and Barry has pains with pollution (viz the number of stars in 1960's Morocco vs 2011 Holland). I'm sorry that's the best I could do. I take this opportunity to thank the hostess Judy for arranging this contest and thank FFL for providing this beautiful venue. I hope we have more of this Spot Barry's pain contests in the future. It has been my pleasure to participate in this contest. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: It occurs to me that in these two paragraphs intended to diss Patanjali, there are two sentences, one in each paragraph, that inadvertently exemplify what he meant by experience is painful. Can anybody identify them? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: snip This was 1960. Global pollution had not at that point obscured the skies. So I'd go out there in the middle of the night, lie down on my back, and just gaze at the stars. *Millions* of stars. Back then, as seen from North Africa, there was not a patch of sky bigger than the little fingernail on my hand held out at arm's length that didn't contain stars; the sky was *all* stars. And it was majestic. Gazing at it uplifted me and left me with nothing but an appreciation of how incredibly *beautiful* life was, and how fulfilling. Patanjali would have me believe that this experience was painful. I think Patanjali was full of shit. Cut to last night. After a short rain that cleared the air of the atmospheric haze so normal at this time of year, I walked out to the lake near my house, spread out a blanket, lay down on my back, and gazed at the stars again. And they were majestic, even though I could only see about a tenth of the stars I used to see in Morocco. Gazing at the sky uplifted me again and left me with nothing but an appreciation of how incredibly *beautiful* life is, and STILL is. I'd be hard-pressed to describe this experience as painful, too.
[FairfieldLife] Spot Barry's pain contest ( Was Re: A Conversation With Patanjali)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: I'll take a stab at it. Paragraph 1 - This was easy - Patanjali was full of shit. Paragraph 2 - I could only see about a tenth of stars that I do in Morocco. How did I do Judy? You got the second one. Your first isn't the one I had in mind, but it works, so let's add it. Can you find another one in the first paragraph? Ooh I love spot the anything contests - anyway the only other thing I have is the Global pollution which I think is covered in the 2nd paragraph. Global pollution was what I had in mind. Yes, it's the same as what's in the second paragraph, but I just thought it was interesting that it appears twice. The point is, I think, that we experience this and so many other kinds of losses all the time without really recognizing and feeling the pain they cause. We tend to block it from our immediate awareness. The pain is still there, however. It's just buried, and we use up vital energy keeping it that way. And if someone calls attention to it, we create more pain for ourselves by *denying* it. That's the Patanjali is full of shit part. So thanks for adding that! So I just have Barry has pain with authority (Patanjali is full of shit) in the first para and Barry has pains with pollution (viz the number of stars in 1960's Morocco vs 2011 Holland). I'm sorry that's the best I could do. You did great. I take this opportunity to thank the hostess Judy for arranging this contest and thank FFL for providing this beautiful venue. I hope we have more of this Spot Barry's pain contests in the future. Most of us here are in pain; it ain't just Barry by any means. Not all of us are in denial about it, however. Some of us understand Patanjali's assertion as a fundamental truth even if we haven't yet been able to acknowledge all our pain, or to transcend it. It has been my pleasure to participate in this contest. Thanks for playing! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: It occurs to me that in these two paragraphs intended to diss Patanjali, there are two sentences, one in each paragraph, that inadvertently exemplify what he meant by experience is painful. Can anybody identify them? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: snip This was 1960. Global pollution had not at that point obscured the skies. So I'd go out there in the middle of the night, lie down on my back, and just gaze at the stars. *Millions* of stars. Back then, as seen from North Africa, there was not a patch of sky bigger than the little fingernail on my hand held out at arm's length that didn't contain stars; the sky was *all* stars. And it was majestic. Gazing at it uplifted me and left me with nothing but an appreciation of how incredibly *beautiful* life was, and how fulfilling. Patanjali would have me believe that this experience was painful. I think Patanjali was full of shit. Cut to last night. After a short rain that cleared the air of the atmospheric haze so normal at this time of year, I walked out to the lake near my house, spread out a blanket, lay down on my back, and gazed at the stars again. And they were majestic, even though I could only see about a tenth of the stars I used to see in Morocco. Gazing at the sky uplifted me again and left me with nothing but an appreciation of how incredibly *beautiful* life is, and STILL is. I'd be hard-pressed to describe this experience as painful, too.
[FairfieldLife] Spot Barry's pain contest ( Was Re: A Conversation With Patanjali)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: The pain is still there, however. It's just buried, and we use up vital energy keeping it that way. And if someone calls attention to it, we create more pain for ourselves by *denying* it. That's the Patanjali is full of shit part. So thanks for adding that! Right on, thanks for initiating the conversation and being so astute and dedicated in continually pointing out the BS. Most of us here are in pain; it ain't just Barry by any means. Not all of us are in denial about it, however. Some of us understand Patanjali's assertion as a fundamental truth even if we haven't yet been able to acknowledge all our pain, or to transcend it. I'm quite perplexed at Barry and others insistence on lack of pain. That there's nothing to do and they can intellectually deceive themselves in to a so-called non-enlightened enlightened state. Thats why I say most are happy to band-aid their wounds through intellectual deception and/or increased indulgence and continue on. It takes the grace of existence to increase the pain to a level where you are forced to acknowledge and be ready for the intricate surgery to deal with it once for all. Unless the pain is acknowledged it is just intellectual deception, since a real thirsty person reaches for water rather read books on water, suppliers of water, containers of water, pros, cons and the like.
[FairfieldLife] A Conversation With Patanjali
I am not sure if this applies or not. But I tend to eshew things like beautiful sunsets, or beautiful days. Or at least I don't get emotional about them. They are what they are. I neither delight in them, nor ignore them. But my bias is to not give them much attention. Kind of like the weather. You hear all the time about how nasty the weather is, or how gorgeous of a day it is. I don't care to make any judgements about the weather. It also is what it is. I'll take it either way. I don't know what Pantanjali might be referring to when he says all experience is pain, (or something to that effect). But I do relate to the part about having equanimity with all things that come ones way. I don't know if that is Pantanjali or not, but I relate to that. I have seen so many things appear to be positive, and turn out less so, and vice-versa, that I just try to look at things in a little more of a dispassionate way. I know I am throwing out some jargon here, but these terms work for me.
