[FairfieldLife] Farenheit 451 ; Ray Bradbury Dead
Ray Bradbury Dead: Five Tech Predictions The Sci-Fi Author Got Right Michael Rundle Posted: 06/06/2012 16:52 Updated: 06/06/2012 17:12 It is slightly unfair when science fiction writers are judged by how 'accurately' they manage to predict the future. Few such writers - including Ray Bradbury, author of Farenheit 451, who died on Wednesday aged 91 - ever set out to 'predict' anything. I'm not afraid of machines, Bradbury told Writer's Digest in 1976. I don't think the robots are taking over. I think the men who play with toys have taken over. And if we don't take the toys out of their hands, we're fools. Still, the sheer range of correct predictions made by some sci-fi writers can be spooky. HG Wells, for instance, predicted nuclear weapons, the Moon landing, the second World War and lasers. And although Wells also predicted (or imagined) time travel and invisibility, neither of which came true, it is often the hits that register more than the misses. So how accurate were the predictions Bradbury made in his most famous novel, Fahrenheit 451? News: The Death Of Newspapers Prediction: In Fahrenheit 451 Bradbury describes newspapers dying after public appetite moves to shorter, headline-news stations which mainly report on gossip and violence. I remember the newspapers dying like huge moths. No one wanted them back. No one missed them. And the Government, seeing how advantageous it was to have people reading only about passionate lips and the fist in the stomach, circled the situation with your fire-eaters. Result: The Leveson inquiry seems to suggest Bradbury may have a point here. And anyone who heard about his death on Twitter and didn't click through to the story may have proven his point. Entertainment: The Obsession With Media Prediction: In Fahrenheit 451 Bradbury describes an America where people are addicted to electronic media for information and entertainment. Result: According to recent research, Americans spend on average 5.2 hours per day watching TV, 3 hours per day online and another hour with their mobile phones. TV Screens: Everything, Everywhere Prediction: In the novel Fanreheit 451 television screens are ubiquitous - the very walls are made up of screens, and it is hard to find a place where TVs do not reach. Result: Hard to say this is anything but another tick - especially given Panasonic's 152-inch mega TV announced in 2010 which could literally fill many walls. Fact: The Death Of Context Prediction: Bradbury said in the (his) future, the obsession with bitesize factoids would take away all sense of context from news and information. Give the people contests they win by remembering the words to more popular songs or the names of state capitals or how much corn Iowa grew last year. Cram them full of non-combustible data, chock them so damned full of 'facts' they feel stuffed, but absolutely `brilliant' with information. Then they'll feel they're thinking. Result: Wikipedia? Earphones: What Are You Listening To? Prediction: Bradbury describes a world where people wear what are essentially headphones, constantly piping-in music and chat at all hours of the day. And in her ears the little Seashells, the thimble radios tamped tight, and an electronic ocean of sound, of music and talk and music and talk coming in, coming in on the shore of her unsleeping mind. Result: Any quite glance around the Tube confirms this has come true. Of course (and to editorialise again) for all Bradbury anticipated the future, there were other themes he missed. But as we mentioned, Bradbury's skill - and intention - was never to predict what would occur, but to reveal truths about the world as it already was - and is. That his work still reveals those truths despite the decades since Fahrenheit 451's publication, is a testament to his skill as a writer, not a prophet. .huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/06/06/ray-bradbury-dead-how-accur ate-predictions-fahrenheit-451_n_1574126.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama's scary socialist past revealed, (breaking).
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u no_reply@... wrote: It is breaking, that is, new evidence of his socialist past has surfaced in the logs of the *New Party* just today; their goals and 'his' are scary if you ask me!! It all adds up, we now know Obama much better, IMO. Billy, it's flat out silly that rightwingers think Obama is a socialist. Obama's political compass points in the direction of self-aggrandizing opportunity, not socialism. What's scary is that you believe this crap. What's even scarier is that the American people can be brainwashed to believe *anything.* In a dystopian future, the dupes of revisionist history will serve their corporate masters well. If you can drag yourself away from the FOX News Lie Machine for a minute, let's see if you can answer these not-so-distant political history questions: 1. Did Reagan lower or raise the national debt? 2. Were tax rates under Reagan lower or higher than under Clinton and Obama? 3. Was Obama's stimulus package mostly tax cuts? Answers: 1. Reagan raised the national debt. 2. Tax rates were higher under Reagan. 3. Obama's stimulus was mostly tax cuts. If you answered incorrectly, you have proven my point. Propaganda works. In Chicago Obama was just a pol stumping in the hizzy, following the path of least resistance, New Party, or whatever the flavor of the day, so what? Bill Maher had the sanest thing to say about Obama I've heard. If Obama's a socialist, he's a lousy socialist. http://youtu.be/NJABF5_yBXA --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: (breaking)--too funny. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: Whateverthis is insane. Â The reality is not even this. Â Obama has supported so many aspects of the Republican agenda, that there is likely a solid argument that could be made (not by me) for the idea that what we are really voting on is the difference between 2 Republican candidates. Â These scare tactics are pathetic and extreme. Â My grandparents forwarded me the National Review for years, back when it was bashing numbers of educational institutions for being communist - they were concerned about what my professors might be teaching me. Â The rag is completely over the top crazy in my view. Â Â
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama's scary socialist past revealed, (breaking).
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u no_reply@ wrote: It is breaking, that is, new evidence of his socialist past has surfaced in the logs of the *New Party* just today; their goals and 'his' are scary if you ask me!! It all adds up, we now know Obama much better, IMO. Billy, it's flat out silly that rightwingers think Obama is a socialist. Obama's political compass points in the direction of self-aggrandizing opportunity, not socialism. What's scary is that you believe this crap. What's even scarier is that the American people can be brainwashed to believe *anything.* In a dystopian future, the dupes of revisionist history will serve their corporate masters well. If you can drag yourself away from the FOX News Lie Machine for a minute, let's see if you can answer these not-so-distant political history questions: 1. Did Reagan lower or raise the national debt? 2. Were tax rates under Reagan lower or higher than under Clinton and Obama? 3. Was Obama's stimulus package mostly tax cuts? Answers: 1. Reagan raised the national debt. 2. Tax rates were higher under Reagan. 3. Obama's stimulus was mostly tax cuts. If you answered incorrectly, you have proven my point. Propaganda works. In Chicago Obama was just a pol stumping in the hizzy, following the path of least resistance, New Party, or whatever the flavor of the day, so what? Bill Maher had the sanest thing to say about Obama I've heard. If Obama's a socialist, he's a lousy socialist. http://youtu.be/NJABF5_yBXA --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: (breaking)--too funny. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: Whateverthis is insane. Â The reality is not even this. Â Obama has supported so many aspects of the Republican agenda, that there is likely a solid argument that could be made (not by me) for the idea that what we are really voting on is the difference between 2 Republican candidates. Â These scare tactics are pathetic and extreme. Â My grandparents forwarded me the National Review for years, back when it was bashing numbers of educational institutions for being communist - they were concerned about what my professors might be teaching me. Â The rag is completely over the top crazy in my view. Â Â It seems to me in Amerika anybody who defends the underprivileged citizens, is for many people a socialist... OTOH, I'm almost not at all a homo politicus... :D
[FairfieldLife] Re: Farenheit 451 ; Ray Bradbury Dead
--- Jason jedi_spock@ wrote: Ray Bradbury Dead: Five Tech Predictions The Sci-Fi Author Got Right snip Fact: The Death Of Context Prediction: Bradbury said in the (his) future, the obsession with bitesize factoids would take away all sense of context from news and information. Give the people contests they win by remembering the words to more popular songs or the names of state capitals or how much corn Iowa grew last year. Cram them full of non-combustible data, chock them so damned full of 'facts' they feel stuffed, but absolutely `brilliant' with information. Then they'll feel they're thinking. Result: Wikipedia? --- turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: Result: The TM movement, and its supporters'/apologists' curious belief that regurgitating the things they've been told about spiritual practice makes them spiritual practitioners, or even experts. I've never been to Iowa. So parroting how much corn Iowa grew last year dosen't make me an expert. We could be moving into a new era where one does not have to be an expert. Lets say a paradigm shift is taking place in how we access information. If you have a calculator, better to use it rather than use the old manual counting to do math.
[FairfieldLife] Activist Viral Journalism
Hunter S. Thompson famously was credited with inventing Gonzo Journalism. Eschewing the patently dishonest claim of objectivity touted by most journalists, he wrote himself *into* the stories he wrote about subjects as diverse as covering the National Sheriffs' Convention, or riding with both the Hells Angels and Richard Nixon. Michael Moore did much the same thing, confronting real people from corporations and government and posing tough questions to them, capturing their reactions on film. More recently, a group called the Yes Men have taken Gonzo one step further by announcing fake press conferences by companies on which they want to shed the light of truth, and then inviting both the press and legitimate representatives of the victim companies, filming the results, and putting them out on the Net. The Yes Men, in conjunction with Greenpeace, have recently taken such Gonzo Journalism to the next stage, creating an *entirely* made up event and throwing it out onto the Net to see how far it spreads. The more it goes viral, and the more people talk about it -- *especially* if they act all outraged and offended -- the more the Yes Men have won, because the more they have forced mainstream media (who have ignored the things they're trying to make public for year or decades) to cover them. Some here might be outraged and offended by this themselves, and call it lying or cheating. I call it brilliant. It's no more dishonest than what Stephen Colbert does, and no less effective. From Salon.com; see the actual video at: http://www.salon.com/2012/06/08/behind_the_shell_hoax/ http://www.salon.com/2012/06/08/behind_the_shell_hoax/ Behind the Shell hoax http://www.salon.com/2012/06/08/behind_the_shell_hoax/singleton/ Yesterday, a fake video of an oil industry party went viral. I was there. Here's how it all went downBy Brooke Jarvis http://www.salon.com/writer/brooke_jarvis/ At a private party in Seattle's Space Needle ostensibly hosted by Shell to celebrate its new venture into Arctic drilling an elderly man attempts to serve a drink from a model oil rig, erected next to an assortment of stuffed polar bears and a miniature iceberg bearing the Shell logo. Suddenly, brown liquid comes jetting out, soaking a screaming woman. No one can shut down the flow; some try to staunch it with the polar bears. The person who took the video gets chased out and threatened. Perhaps you've already seen the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMUFci_V4mU , which spread rapidly across the Internet yesterday. It was, as the many news outlets that reported the story noted, an almost-too-perfect metaphor for the dangers of Arctic drilling, particularly given that the drilling rigs Shell plans to use this summer share a designer in common with the Deepwater Horizon rig that belched oil for three straight months in 2010. An unstoppable spill onto ice even if just soda from a model rig is exactly the kind of P.R. that Shell wouldn't want. Which makes sense, given that the video was the result of very elaborate and very expensive activist hoax. Shell does plan to begin exploratory oil drilling in the Arctic this summer the first company to do so, ever, thanks to the access provided by newly ice-free Arctic summers. But it did not plan the party, or even know it was happening. It did not create the website ArcticReady.com, complete with a kids' section, to promote its Arctic drilling plans. It didn't create or approve a series of tongue-in-cheek advertisements that cavalierly celebrate drilling. And, once reporters confirmed that the event was fake, the company did not release the angry press release that threatened legal action from Shell against the activists and any publications that reported the story. All that was the work of activists associated with the Yes Labs and Greenpeace, who began collaborating on the project late last winter. It represented a major tactical shift for both groups the Yes Men have crashed other corporate conferences and events, but never hosted an entirely fake one. And Greenpeace? Ten years ago, we would have been hanging off the side of the Space Needle, said James Turner, a media officer for Greenpeace USA. Now we're booking a room in it. Did you notice the woman on the left side of the video, wearing a gray suit and occasionally blocking the shot (oops)? That's me. Curious to know what goes into conceptualizing and planning a prank as elaborate as this one, I volunteered, along with about 30 others, to come to the event and pretend to be extremely gung-ho about Arctic drilling. The fake party took place on Wednesday night in a luxury banquet hall midway up Seattle's Space Needle, over lobster, caviar and bourbon. The dress rehearsal took place the night before, over pizza in a tiny, dingy gallery. About 30 people, all wearing our best attempts at corporate formalwear, had gathered, entering cautiously by twos or threes.
[FairfieldLife] Re: I 18: a fairly common misunderstanding?? Part 5
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote:
Now, here's I 18, again:
I 18: viraamapratyayaabhyaasapuurvaH saMskaarasheSo
'nyaH [samaadhiH -- card]
(sandhi-samâsa-vigraha:
viraama-pratyaya-abhyaasa-puurvaH saMskaarasheSaH; anyaH).
So, what seems to make this suutra especially tricky
for many translators/commentators, is the word 'puurva':
pUrva a. being before (sp. t.), fore, first, eastern, to the east
of (abl.); prior, preceding, ancient, previous to, earlier than (abl. or
---, often --- or --- w. pp. in the sense of an adv., e.g. {pUrvokta} or
{uktapUrva} spoken before or already); accompanied by, following; with,
under, according to (---); w. {vayas} n. youth; w. {Ayus} n. old age. --m.
elder brother, pl. the ancestors or ancients. f. {pUrvA} (ñ{diz}) the east.
n. forepart, as adv. in front, before (as prep. w. abl.), first,
previously, already, long since; --- accompanied by etc. (cf. adj. ---).
{pUrva uttara} former-latter, n. adv. first-last; {adya pUrvam} until now,
hitherto.
At the moment (repeat: AT THE MOMENT) we feel like many translators
can't perceive the compound word:
viraama-pratyaya-abhyaasa-puurvaH
Now, some translations seem to suggest that the translator
might well read that suutra like this:
viraamapratyayaabhyaasapuurvaH, saMskaarasheSo 'nyaH
That is, instead of perceiving the first compound word
as a bahuvriihi, and thus an adjective attribute for
'anyaH' [samaadhiH], they take it as a separate clause
referring to the previous (puurva) [samaadhi: saMprajñaata]
in the previous suutra (I 17).
It's kinda sad that devanaagarii doesn't have a sign
for comma. It might make many suutras easier to be interpreted
so that it's likely in line with what Patañjali actually
meant. As another example, the infamous III 38:
te samaadhaav upasargaa(,) vyutthaane siddhayaH.
With a comma, the correct reading which nothing short of forces that
suutra to refer only to the previous suutra, not all
the saMyama-suutras, might be more widespread.
In I 18, the *lack* of a comma might help translators to
the correct translation! Now it seems especially Indian
translators, on the basis of Hindi or some other Sanskrit-related
language, might misinterpret that suutra as described above.
[FairfieldLife] Kill The Whistleblower - My pitch for a new reality TV show
Warning: This idea has been copyrighted, and my agent is currently shopping it around town in L.A. We're actually hoping that FOX tries to rip us off and do its version of the show itself, because we'll sue their asses off. Here's the pitch: Each week the show invites as a guest a famous (or, given the actual nature of the show, infamous) whistleblower to be the victim de la semaine. This whistle- blower will have achieved recent notoriety by revealing either corporate or guvmint secrets, misdeeds, illegalities, or corruption by making them public, either directly to the media or by providing the documentation of these deeds to portals such as WikiLeaks. The actual facts revealed by the whistleblowers will never be presented in the show itself; only a carefully-digested and rewritten version of what they revealed will be presented, crafted and spun to give the appearance of malice afore- thought and evil intentions on the part of the whistleblower. Then representatives of the corporation or guvmint agency will be invited to serve on the panel. Members of the mainstream media may also be included, assuming they have been pre-screened to take the right side in what follows. The whistleblowers are tied to a large stake in the center of the stage, bound and gagged (as is appropriate for criminals such as they are). The panel stands in a semi- circle around them and one after another they get their opportunity to vilify the whistleblower, call them names, and discredit them in any way possible. When they run out of things to say or their allotted persecution time runs out and the buzzer sounds, they get to hurl a large rock at the whistleblower. This process goes on until the whistleblower is dead. Each episode ends with a stern lecture on how whistleblowing is bad, and a reminder to those who might be tempted to perform it that public stoning is what awaits them if they try. The moderator (who is anything *but* moderate) delivers a teaser for next week's episode, naming the next victim and urging the audience to write in their suggestions for what size rocks should be thrown at them. Fade to the commercials, thoughtfully provided by the very corporations or guvment entities this week's whistleblower has damaged by lying about them.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kill The Whistleblower - My pitch for a new reality TV show
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: Warning: This idea has been copyrighted, and my agent is currently shopping it around town in L.A. We're actually hoping that FOX tries to rip us off and do its version of the show itself, because we'll sue their asses off. Note: My agent and his attorneys have advised me to state for the record that this idea was *not* inspired by the way that former TM teachers who reveal embarrassing truths about the TM movement and its secrets are treated on the Internet by that group's ardent supporters and apologists. Any resemblance between this process and the proposed idea for a TV series is coincidental and unintentional, if for no other reason than because no one has yet invented a way to throw actual rocks on Internet forums. Here's the pitch: Each week the show invites as a guest a famous (or, given the actual nature of the show, infamous) whistleblower to be the victim de la semaine. This whistle- blower will have achieved recent notoriety by revealing either corporate or guvmint secrets, misdeeds, illegalities, or corruption by making them public, either directly to the media or by providing the documentation of these deeds to portals such as WikiLeaks. The actual facts revealed by the whistleblowers will never be presented in the show itself; only a carefully-digested and rewritten version of what they revealed will be presented, crafted and spun to give the appearance of malice afore- thought and evil intentions on the part of the whistleblower. Then representatives of the corporation or guvmint agency will be invited to serve on the panel. Members of the mainstream media may also be included, assuming they have been pre-screened to take the right side in what follows. The whistleblowers are tied to a large stake in the center of the stage, bound and gagged (as is appropriate for criminals such as they are). The panel stands in a semi- circle around them and one after another they get their opportunity to vilify the whistleblower, call them names, and discredit them in any way possible. When they run out of things to say or their allotted persecution time runs out and the buzzer sounds, they get to hurl a large rock at the whistleblower. This process goes on until the whistleblower is dead. Each episode ends with a stern lecture on how whistleblowing is bad, and a reminder to those who might be tempted to perform it that public stoning is what awaits them if they try. The moderator (who is anything *but* moderate) delivers a teaser for next week's episode, naming the next victim and urging the audience to write in their suggestions for what size rocks should be thrown at them. Fade to the commercials, thoughtfully provided by the very corporations or guvment entities this week's whistleblower has damaged by lying about them.
[FairfieldLife] Hello FFL -
I think it's fair to introduce myself, well as you can probably see from my handle, I use an anonymous one. Irani tea or chai is a tea from Hyderabad, (I actually didn't know till I looked it up yesterday. But I know it from drinking, hehe.) I do this for several reasons, one is that I want to simply be free to say what I want to say, but personally respecting the choices of close friends and not hurting them. Another one is, that I do not want to be associated with certain topics, as has happened in the past. One third, not less important is, to not be put into a box; like he is pro-TM, he is anti-TM, he is a TBB etc. So, I also believe in reincarnation, not just in the usual sense of the word, but also on Internet forums. So I am not new here, some of you I know for a long time. To break through my policy a bit, I will tell you a bit of what I have done in the past. In one incarnation I created this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiKZjq0vTWg I think most of you have already seen it, it came out of a dialog, we had at the time, centering around something Buck brought up. It was already online before, with 3000 hits, and has now again over 400, you may just look at it again, to give it another boost. At a later incarnation I have discussed various topics with some people, trying to address typical TM-hook-ups, as the nature of transcendence, hazy vs. real, and the roots of TM in traditional japa, and why TM is not in any way more special. I have done so to understand the (con)text that surrounds TM and its own dynamic. In my previous incarnation, I was shocked to notice, how long term TM-ers, who profess to be experts on TM in many ways, are actually lacking any basic sense of discrimination. Something that usually comes only by having actual *life* experiences with people, which is something people have got who paid their dues in the movement, or any other spiritual surrounding for a longer time. Not having experienced oneself directly the dangers that come with extended meditations, like virtually going crazy, you would have known, if you had any experience in real life in similar situations, when for example friends are involved. There would be signs, red flags, one notices in people, and any person with a realistic, down to earth sense would know. This is actually the lack, when only discussing in Internet forums, and drawing most information from there, than from actual places and people, or simply watching teachers just giving a 3 days checking, without sitting through the various problems that may actually come up at these. So, in a way, I feel like a fresh white paper, no need of having to continue any old quibbles. OTOH, I am not afraid either, not of anybody here, I think I have a clear stand.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kill The Whistleblower - My pitch for a new reality TV show
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: Note: My agent and his attorneys have advised me to state for the record that this idea was *not* inspired by the way that former TM teachers who reveal embarrassing truths about the TM movement and its secrets are treated on the Internet by that group's ardent supporters and apologists. Any resemblance between this process and the proposed idea for a TV series is coincidental and unintentional, if for no other reason than because no one has yet invented a way to throw actual rocks on Internet forums. LOL
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama's scary socialist past revealed, (breaking).
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u no_reply@ wrote: It is breaking, that is, new evidence of his socialist past has surfaced in the logs of the *New Party* just today; their goals and 'his' are scary if you ask me!! It all adds up, we now know Obama much better, IMO. Billy, it's flat out silly that rightwingers think Obama is a socialist. Obama's political compass points in the direction of self-aggrandizing opportunity, not socialism. What's scary is that you believe this crap. What's even scarier is that the American people can be brainwashed to believe *anything.* In a dystopian future, the dupes of revisionist history will serve their corporate masters well. If you can drag yourself away from the FOX News Lie Machine for a minute, let's see if you can answer these not-so-distant political history questions: 1. Did Reagan lower or raise the national debt? 2. Were tax rates under Reagan lower or higher than under Clinton and Obama? 3. Was Obama's stimulus package mostly tax cuts? Answers: 1. Reagan raised the national debt. 2. Tax rates were higher under Reagan. 3. Obama's stimulus was mostly tax cuts. If you answered incorrectly, you have proven my point. Propaganda works. In Chicago Obama was just a pol stumping in the hizzy, following the path of least resistance, New Party, or whatever the flavor of the day, so what? Bill Maher had the sanest thing to say about Obama I've heard. If Obama's a socialist, he's a lousy socialist. Sounds like your dawg, just turned into a bitch...
[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@ wrote: Why is it 'incorrect' if you say something wrong, deceptive but a blatant lie if Barry does so? I don't say things with the intention to deceive, first of all, although I may say something wrong inadvertently. Can't argue with that, because, unlike others I am not into mind reading. But you should also be clear that it is obvious that you try to diminish points that are unfavorable to your arguments, Oh, that's very funny. You make it sound as though that weren't what everyone, including yourself, does in debating a disagreement. as in this case. The point is that there are teachers, who still teach in this way, they are quite a few, so there is still a good chance to get one of those two mantras, and let me calculate, if the amount of teachers from that time would be 50%, Fifty percent of what? Of all people starting TM at any given frame of time. I'll try to explain it to you again: It is more or less just a graphic description of the 'weight' of those two, supposedly unused mantras (based on Ram) still being around. If you count together the 16 newer (shakti related) mantras and the two old, you get 18. 100 divided by 18 is 5.555.. This would be the percentage of distribution of any mantra, if all the mantras were equally distributed, not regarding the different age groups and distribution schemes. That would require 5.55% of the old Ram based mantras, and since there are two, this figure would have to be doubled, so if 11.11% of initiations would be by 'old' teachers (from before 1969), then the chance to learn one of the old mantras is as high as learning any of the new ones. Got that? Now the percentage of old teachers may be less than 11.11%, chances that you learn one of the old mantras is still considerable. In any case, there is no reason to deny it or neglect it in any way. it would be about 8 times higher than getting any other mantra, (16 divided by 2), but let's assume it's just slightly over 10%, then chances are that you get the mantra Ram are about as much as that of any other of the later mantras. ;-) I doubt there's anywhere near that many pre-1969 teachers currently teaching. Second, not everything Barry says that is wrong is a blatant lie. Sometimes he gets things wrong inadvertently as well. Here you get so boring that I find it hard to take you seriously. Yeah, it can be really boring to have your points rebutted. LOL If the above confuses you, please consult Mr. Dictionary for the meaning of to lie and to deceive. And maybe you conduct Mr. Dictionary about the difference between the active verb 'to deceive' and the adjective 'deceptive'. Well, thank you for clarifying that you didn't intend to suggest I was attempting to deceive. I didn't suggest it, which doesn't mean you couldn't have been. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Here's a question for you -- if I (trained as a TM teacher by Maharishi) were to teach someone to meditate and teach them according to the exact instructions he told me to impart to students, but changed only one thing -- the mantra -- would it be the same technique, or a different one? What if I taught them to use the mantra Ram (the one Maharishi *started* teaching TM with, for everyone) instead of one from the latest official list? Would it be different than TM, or the same? It would be different than TM as taught by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi for decades, as Barry knows but figures Emily doesn't. This is a very deceptive answer. Well, no, it isn't. It may be *incorrect* in the case of TM teachers who got only the two early Rishikesh mantras and are still giving them out today, but how many such teachers are there? IOW, it's a minor inaccuracy. First of all it may not be 'incorrect', it certainly IS incorrect, wrong, false and misleading. Again your lack of fluency in English is causing problems, with regard to the It may be... construction. Why again? Stop patronizing me and making unfounded assumptions. Find an English teacher to explain it to you. Let me say it slightly differently: Even if I got that one point wrong, it was minor, because there aren't many from those days still teaching. Both versions of that statement acknowledge the inaccuracy. Well, no, it isn't referred to your
[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Barry's lying. I responded to that question. The response included pointing out that the question itself was designed to mislead. The TMO charges high fees in wealthy countries and low or no fees in poor ones. So, is India a poor country or a wealthy one? Do you feel that the following rates have been subsidised by the west?These fees may not sound to be much if converting Rupees to Dollars, but they still are a lot for the average Indian worker http://www.peace-movement.net/participation.jsp http://www.peace-movement.net/participation.jsp These amounts aren't fees to learn TM. They're donation amounts to be a participant in this peace movement, which appears to be a new program of the TMO in India. It's not new at all, it was the first step by Girish to separate the Indian movement from the west, Which happened when, exactly? Can't you read? http://www.peace-movement.net/Inauguration.jsp and of course the membership fees are a way of charging for TM I believe you're mistaken on that point. I don't think those fees cover instruction. In some countries it is done that way, the instruction fees are membership fees. But the burden of proof is on to you for your claim, that the high TM fees in the west are subsidizing those of the people of poor nations. It's your claim, not mine. You may also look here: http://www.peace-movement.net/pprogram.jsp Plans and Programmes for Participants Maharishi World Peace Movement will do the following in the interest of the Participants: 1. Well designed informative and interactive web site www.peace-movement.net will provide all details on various plans and programmes of Maharishi World Peace Movement. 2. Will occasionally send E-News Letter or printed News Letter to all articipants containing plans, programmes and news up date. 3. Will make arrangements for learning Transcendental Meditation, Sidhi Programme, Yogic Flying and Advance Techniques. All in all, it is easy to point to some obscure country, and say, well we spend all the money for poor countries, but where is the documentation? I didn't say spend ALL the money for poor countries. That certainly isn't the case. See my last paragraph below. Don't get hooked up on small formulations. Then don't exaggerate and put words in my mouth. As to documentation, I don't have any. However, on various TM forums and elsewhere I've heard people who have taught in India and other poor countries say that they charged a very low or no fee. Perhaps they're all lying, and a fee equivalent to that in the U.S. is charged everywhere. I've never heard anyone speak up to that effect, though. This was usually during special campaigns, during certain time periods. You won't find american teachers now teaching TM in India. It was also true in the Philippines, but all during a limited period of time. So you claim everyone in every country is normally charged an equivalent fee to that charged in the U.S.? Also, $1,500 is well within the means of many people in this country; they'll easily spend that much and more on a week's vacation. And if someone really wants to learn and simply can't afford it, the TMO will usually work something out with them. Typical answer: you have to really want it, and then you can also afford it. More or less true of just about anything, no? You deleted the comment of Barry's I was responding to, so let's put it back in for context: As it was irrelevant, your favorite word, right? It was very relevant to my response to Barry. Like the question all of the TM supporters are avoiding like the plague -- WHY would an org that claims it has the solution to all the prob- lems of life want to charge so much for it that very few will ever start? I submit that my response to this, quoted above, was accurate: TM does not cost so much that very few will ever start. In the U.S., the fee is steep but not prohibitive for many; in poorer countries, unless definitive testimony to the contrary is found, the fee is significantly less than it is in this country. In other European countries the fee is even higher (if the movement still exists). You cannot see the fee outside of the contemporary context. If you want to sell one liter of water in a desert, you may get what you are asking for. But not if somebody stands next to you giving water freely. The question is, why should anybody in his
Re: [FairfieldLife] Hello FFL -
Hello Tea and welcome back. Ok, to call you Tea? I'm very new to this forum so haven't quite grokked all the players, their roles, beliefs, etc. I was actually warned about this group so my first reply was to a surf report (-: From: iranitea no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 9, 2012 5:45 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Hello FFL - I think it's fair to introduce myself, well as you can probably see from my handle, I use an anonymous one. Irani tea or chai is a tea from Hyderabad, (I actually didn't know till I looked it up yesterday. But I know it from drinking, hehe.) I do this for several reasons, one is that I want to simply be free to say what I want to say, but personally respecting the choices of close friends and not hurting them. Another one is, that I do not want to be associated with certain topics, as has happened in the past. One third, not less important is, to not be put into a box; like he is pro-TM, he is anti-TM, he is a TBB etc. So, I also believe in reincarnation, not just in the usual sense of the word, but also on Internet forums. So I am not new here, some of you I know for a long time. To break through my policy a bit, I will tell you a bit of what I have done in the past. In one incarnation I created this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiKZjq0vTWg I think most of you have already seen it, it came out of a dialog, we had at the time, centering around something Buck brought up. It was already online before, with 3000 hits, and has now again over 400, you may just look at it again, to give it another boost. At a later incarnation I have discussed various topics with some people, trying to address typical TM-hook-ups, as the nature of transcendence, hazy vs. real, and the roots of TM in traditional japa, and why TM is not in any way more special. I have done so to understand the (con)text that surrounds TM and its own dynamic. In my previous incarnation, I was shocked to notice, how long term TM-ers, who profess to be experts on TM in many ways, are actually lacking any basic sense of discrimination. Something that usually comes only by having actual *life* experiences with people, which is something people have got who paid their dues in the movement, or any other spiritual surrounding for a longer time. Not having experienced oneself directly the dangers that come with extended meditations, like virtually going crazy, you would have known, if you had any experience in real life in similar situations, when for example friends are involved. There would be signs, red flags, one notices in people, and any person with a realistic, down to earth sense would know. This is actually the lack, when only discussing in Internet forums, and drawing most information from there, than from actual places and people, or simply watching teachers just giving a 3 days checking, without sitting through the various problems that may actually come up at these. So, in a way, I feel like a fresh white paper, no need of having to continue any old quibbles. OTOH, I am not afraid either, not of anybody here, I think I have a clear stand.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM
On Jun 9, 2012, at 7:28 AM, iranitea no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Now, that is a classic answer. AVOID any answer, keep a back door open so that nobody thinks you are in denial, give it a negative taint, so that TBB's are not disappointed. Avoid the answers and quibble over insignificant details. Good lesson, thank you Mrs. Stein. Yes old chap, I do believe you got it!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@... wrote: I think it's fair to introduce myself, well as you can probably see from my handle, I use an anonymous one. Irani tea or chai is a tea from Hyderabad, (I actually didn't know till I looked it up yesterday. But I know it from drinking, hehe.) I do this for several reasons, one is that I want to simply be free to say what I want to say, but personally respecting the choices of close friends and not hurting them. Another one is, that I do not want to be associated with certain topics, as has happened in the past. One third, not less important is, to not be put into a box; like he is pro-TM, he is anti-TM, he is a TBB etc. So, I also believe in reincarnation, not just in the usual sense of the word, but also on Internet forums. So I am not new here, some of you I know for a long time. To break through my policy a bit, I will tell you a bit of what I have done in the past. In one incarnation I created this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiKZjq0vTWg Jai Jai Iranitea, welcome back. FFL certainly missed your insightful and wise presence. This seems to be the weekend of jubilee, returning posters come back home. I am just back after having been kicked off FFL for over-posting with positivity about TM here. Some would claim as a TM fundamentalist. Though it seems I possibly am one of only a few to be 'kicked out' for being both 'for' and out of gospel with the culture of both TM and FFL and then let come home in both places. I thank the Unified Field of Pure Consciousness in this lifetime that this can be safely done. Welcome back, -Buck in the Dome I think most of you have already seen it, it came out of a dialog, we had at the time, centering around something Buck brought up. It was already online before, with 3000 hits, and has now again over 400, you may just look at it again, to give it another boost. At a later incarnation I have discussed various topics with some people, trying to address typical TM-hook-ups, as the nature of transcendence, hazy vs. real, and the roots of TM in traditional japa, and why TM is not in any way more special. I have done so to understand the (con)text that surrounds TM and its own dynamic. In my previous incarnation, I was shocked to notice, how long term TM-ers, who profess to be experts on TM in many ways, are actually lacking any basic sense of discrimination. Something that usually comes only by having actual *life* experiences with people, which is something people have got who paid their dues in the movement, or any other spiritual surrounding for a longer time. Not having experienced oneself directly the dangers that come with extended meditations, like virtually going crazy, you would have known, if you had any experience in real life in similar situations, when for example friends are involved. There would be signs, red flags, one notices in people, and any person with a realistic, down to earth sense would know. This is actually the lack, when only discussing in Internet forums, and drawing most information from there, than from actual places and people, or simply watching teachers just giving a 3 days checking, without sitting through the various problems that may actually come up at these. So, in a way, I feel like a fresh white paper, no need of having to continue any old quibbles. OTOH, I am not afraid either, not of anybody here, I think I have a clear stand.
Re: [FairfieldLife] S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM
On Jun 9, 2012, at 7:28 AM, iranitea wrote: The bija mantra isn't a Sanskrit word. It is, it is a Sanskrit letter, it is intricately connected with the way Sanskrit letters are written. It’s both a Sanskrit letter and a Sanskrit word. It’s a word because old mantra dictionaries and monosyllabic dictionaries from the tantric tradition, bīja-koshas, define them. As anyone who took the time to actually learn mantra-shāstra should be able to explain, the entire Sanskrit alphabet is “seeded” into your consciousness as part of the authorization to transmit mantra, so they are fundamentally derived from Sanskrit and other similar languages.
Re: [FairfieldLife] S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM
On Jun 9, 2012, at 7:28 AM, iranitea wrote: There were other things I chose to spend my money on. LOL. So you actually prove my point, and you are not walking the talk. It's all just quibbles on the net. Totally hilarious! I believe she means “cigarettes”. She uses them for their life-supporting properties. ;-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vastu tiny house
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Mays dickmays@... wrote: Vastu Cabin! After several months of building it was so fulfilling to show you the finished product and hear your feedback. I'm writing to you today to share our website and facebook page. Like our Facebook page to keep posted on new Vastu Cabin developments! Please enjoy the photos and share with your friends. www.VastuCabin.com www.facebook.com/vastucabin -- www.VastuCabin.com $30K? Without a place to put it? Bourgeois green in new-age vedic woo-woo package. Cute but without a root chakra. Does not even come close to solve the larger problem of housing for people on the IA course here. The real design problem is a need for something efficient and affordable for meditators coming to be in the Domes on the Howard Settle income stipend of $850 a month. Bankers use rule of thumb, 30% of monthly income for all housing costs. Use that as the design constraint. This bourgeois-y vastu cabin only perpetuates the larger spiritual distraction and sin of materialism. Nothing green about fanning the flames of an over-priced cute green housing that would bury people trying to live a spiritual life. That has already been done here. -Buck in the Dome
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama's scary socialist past revealed, (breaking).
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u no_reply@ wrote: It is breaking, that is, new evidence of his socialist past has surfaced in the logs of the *New Party* just today; their goals and 'his' are scary if you ask me!! It all adds up, we now know Obama much better, IMO. Billy, it's flat out silly that rightwingers think Obama is a socialist. Obama's political compass points in the direction of self-aggrandizing opportunity, not socialism. What's scary is that you believe this crap. What's even scarier is that the American people can be brainwashed to believe *anything.* In a dystopian future, the dupes of revisionist history will serve their corporate masters well. If you can drag yourself away from the FOX News Lie Machine for a minute, let's see if you can answer these not-so-distant political history questions: 1. Did Reagan lower or raise the national debt? 2. Were tax rates under Reagan lower or higher than under Clinton and Obama? 3. Was Obama's stimulus package mostly tax cuts? Answers: 1. Reagan raised the national debt. 2. Tax rates were higher under Reagan. 3. Obama's stimulus was mostly tax cuts. If you answered incorrectly, you have proven my point. Propaganda works. In Chicago Obama was just a pol stumping in the hizzy, following the path of least resistance, New Party, or whatever the flavor of the day, so what? Bill Maher had the sanest thing to say about Obama I've heard. If Obama's a socialist, he's a lousy socialist. Sounds like your dawg, just turned into a bitch... Translation: Billy flunked the test and Bill Maher's commentary exploded his brain. http://youtu.be/NJABF5_yBXA
[FairfieldLife] Re: How To Help A Fellow Seeker Avoid Selflessness
A funny anology, but the more you 'hang on to the shit' the more likely you go through the 'dark night of the soul'. --- turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: Use these techniques as often as you can. Help a fellow self avoid the distress of Premature Ascension® by helping them to hang on to the self the way an anal retentive hangs on to shit. Help them develop the sphincter muscles of the soul, and thus avoid the Dark Night of it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kill The Whistleblower - My pitch for a new reality TV show
Great find! This sounds like the perfect training regimen for the How To Help A Fellow Seeker Avoid Selflessness® http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/311778 program I just outlined. The great thing is that this game is exactly like the process of clinging to self that I described in that post -- the higher your score, the more you lose. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: snip ... no one has yet invented a way to throw actual rocks on Internet forums. The process for delivering a rock includes all of the things that happen before, during and after throwing the rock. The four component parts described earlier must be included in the overall process of delivering the rock. 1. Setup, shot planning and pre-shot mental preparation 2. Forward press 3. Draw/step 4. Slide 5. Release 6. Follow-Through Game descriptions Gold/Silver Crystal Drops rocks on the enemy. Ruby/Sapphire Emerald Throws small rocks to strike the foe. FireRed/LeafGreen The foe is attacked with a shower of small, easily thrown rocks. Diamond/Pearl Platinum HeartGold/SoulSilver The user picks up and throws a small rock at the foe to attack. Black/White The user picks up and throws a small rock at the target to attack.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -
Are you the old 'akashya_108' or 'zoran kneta'? --- iranitea no_reply@... wrote: I think it's fair to introduce myself, well as you can probably see from my handle, I use an anonymous one. Irani tea or chai is a tea from Hyderabad, (I actually didn't know till I looked it up yesterday. But I know it from drinking, hehe.) I do this for several reasons, one is that I want to simply be free to say what I want to say, but personally respecting the choices of close friends and not hurting them. Another one is, that I do not want to be associated with certain topics, as has happened in the past. One third, not less important is, to not be put into a box; like he is pro-TM, he is anti-TM, he is a TBB etc. So, I also believe in reincarnation, not just in the usual sense of the word, but also on Internet forums. So I am not new here, some of you I know for a long time. To break through my policy a bit, I will tell you a bit of what I have done in the past. In one incarnation I created this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiKZjq0vTWg I think most of you have already seen it, it came out of a dialog, we had at the time, centering around something Buck brought up. It was already online before, with 3000 hits, and has now again over 400, you may just look at it again, to give it another boost. At a later incarnation I have discussed various topics with some people, trying to address typical TM-hook-ups, as the nature of transcendence, hazy vs. real, and the roots of TM in traditional japa, and why TM is not in any way more special. I have done so to understand the (con)text that surrounds TM and its own dynamic. In my previous incarnation, I was shocked to notice, how long term TM-ers, who profess to be experts on TM in many ways, are actually lacking any basic sense of discrimination. Something that usually comes only by having actual *life* experiences with people, which is something people have got who paid their dues in the movement, or any other spiritual surrounding for a longer time. Not having experienced oneself directly the dangers that come with extended meditations, like virtually going crazy, you would have known, if you had any experience in real life in similar situations, when for example friends are involved. There would be signs, red flags, one notices in people, and any person with a realistic, down to earth sense would know. This is actually the lack, when only discussing in Internet forums, and drawing most information from there, than from actual places and people, or simply watching teachers just giving a 3 days checking, without sitting through the various problems that may actually come up at these. So, in a way, I feel like a fresh white paper, no need of having to continue any old quibbles. OTOH, I am not afraid either, not of anybody here, I think I have a clear stand.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -
I remember having a long chat with you online a long time back. How's it going? Who warned you about this group? What was the warning? --- Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Hello Tea and welcome back. Ok, to call you Tea? I'm very new to this forum so haven't quite grokked all the players, their roles, beliefs, etc. I was actually warned about this group so my first reply was to a surf report (-:
[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@ wrote: snip The point is that there are teachers, who still teach in this way, they are quite a few, so there is still a good chance to get one of those two mantras, and let me calculate, if the amount of teachers from that time would be 50%, Fifty percent of what? Of all people starting TM at any given frame of time. The amount of teachers from that time would not be 50% of all people starting TM at any given frame of time. I think what you meant to say was that 50% of all people starting TM at any given frame of time would be taught by teachers from that time (1969 and before). (BTW, you weren't calculating, you were estimating.) I'll try to explain it to you again: It is more or less just a graphic description of the 'weight' of those two, supposedly unused mantras (based on Ram) still being around. Yes, I understood all this, just not your 50% statement. If you count together the 16 newer (shakti related) mantras and the two old, you get 18. 100 divided by 18 is 5.555.. This would be the percentage of distribution of any mantra, if all the mantras were equally distributed, not regarding the different age groups and distribution schemes. That would require 5.55% of the old Ram based mantras, and since there are two, this figure would have to be doubled, so if 11.11% of initiations would be by 'old' teachers (from before 1969), then the chance to learn one of the old mantras is as high as learning any of the new ones. Got that? Now the percentage of old teachers may be less than 11.11%, chances that you learn one of the old mantras is still considerable. In any case, there is no reason to deny it or neglect it in any way. Right. Which is why I'm not denying or neglecting it. I do question your 11.11% figure. I doubt it's that high. snip If the above confuses you, please consult Mr. Dictionary for the meaning of to lie and to deceive. And maybe you conduct Mr. Dictionary about the difference between the active verb 'to deceive' and the adjective 'deceptive'. Well, thank you for clarifying that you didn't intend to suggest I was attempting to deceive. I didn't suggest it, Yes, I'm taking your word for that, as I indicated above. Except... which doesn't mean you couldn't have been. ...now you're suggesting it. snip How many of them are still teaching? Because Barry's question had to do with the present. How many are teaching at all? How much is TM still being taught? Oh, I thought you knew. You were making all kinds of calculations above. Look, I thought you know the English language: These were rhetorical questions, meaning to say, there are hardly people learning TM anyway. Sorry, but your English isn't good enough and your comprehension of the course of the discussion isn't good enough for me to be able to tell whether your questions are rhetorical or genuine. And then: many of them are teachers of the first hour, they are Rajas today. (By first hour, I assume you mean 1969 and before, right?) Riighty! You start thinking along. How many of the rajas actually teach? Is this a rhetorical question? The Rajas are just an example, they are the guys still on it, On what? many of them are from this group. Yes, I would assume that. The relevant question is how many of them are actually still giving out mantras. snip And even if they are just a 'minor inaccuracy' they prove the principle, what, so it seems you easily lose out of sight: One (or two) mantras are really enough. And that's all that Barry was trying to say. Well, no, it isn't what he was trying to say. (I'm sure he'll say it was *now*, but it wasn't to start with.) Yes he clearly said it. And you know it. Unlike Barry, I'm not in the habit of saying things that I know aren't true. And I thought you just said you weren't into mind-reading. Mind reading is not required here. It is for you to say you know it. Ordinary reading capabilities are enough. Unfortunately yours aren't quite up to snuff. As a proof reader, I suppose you have them. Except if you are in a habit of blanking out reality. Ain't me blanking out reality. This is further substantiated by my further comment about the advanced techniques. Why have only one mantra in the advanced technique and 16 mantras for TM? I retained my original bija mantra when I got my advanced technique (I have only one). I said there are exceptions. But with a second advanced technique, you are likely to lose that one, with the third you are almost sure. I'm not sure that's the case now. So why you never got any more? There were other things I chose to spend my
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -
It's going really well. Doing lots of healing work. Must have been one of the other FF online groups. I just joined this one. No one would know the person who warned me. They warned that there's lots of flaming on this forum. But my other group had gotten very quiet. And I'm still developing my in person social graces (-: What I like about this group is how they post all kinds of stuff from politics to financial. Even surf reports! From: Jason jedi_sp...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 9, 2012 11:56 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL - I remember having a long chat with you online a long time back. How's it going? Who warned you about this group? What was the warning? --- Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Hello Tea and welcome back. Ok, to call you Tea? I'm very new to this forum so haven't quite grokked all the players, their roles, beliefs, etc. I was actually warned about this group so my first reply was to a surf report (-:
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason jedi_spock@... wrote: Are you the old 'akashya_108' or 'zoran kneta'? Don't know about them, but he's the old zarzari and the old blusc0ut. --- iranitea no_reply@ wrote: I think it's fair to introduce myself, well as you can probably see from my handle, I use an anonymous one. Irani tea or chai is a tea from Hyderabad, (I actually didn't know till I looked it up yesterday. But I know it from drinking, hehe.) I do this for several reasons, one is that I want to simply be free to say what I want to say, but personally respecting the choices of close friends and not hurting them. Another one is, that I do not want to be associated with certain topics, as has happened in the past. One third, not less important is, to not be put into a box; like he is pro-TM, he is anti-TM, he is a TBB etc. So, I also believe in reincarnation, not just in the usual sense of the word, but also on Internet forums. So I am not new here, some of you I know for a long time. To break through my policy a bit, I will tell you a bit of what I have done in the past. In one incarnation I created this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiKZjq0vTWg I think most of you have already seen it, it came out of a dialog, we had at the time, centering around something Buck brought up. It was already online before, with 3000 hits, and has now again over 400, you may just look at it again, to give it another boost. At a later incarnation I have discussed various topics with some people, trying to address typical TM-hook-ups, as the nature of transcendence, hazy vs. real, and the roots of TM in traditional japa, and why TM is not in any way more special. I have done so to understand the (con)text that surrounds TM and its own dynamic. In my previous incarnation, I was shocked to notice, how long term TM-ers, who profess to be experts on TM in many ways, are actually lacking any basic sense of discrimination. Something that usually comes only by having actual *life* experiences with people, which is something people have got who paid their dues in the movement, or any other spiritual surrounding for a longer time. Not having experienced oneself directly the dangers that come with extended meditations, like virtually going crazy, you would have known, if you had any experience in real life in similar situations, when for example friends are involved. There would be signs, red flags, one notices in people, and any person with a realistic, down to earth sense would know. This is actually the lack, when only discussing in Internet forums, and drawing most information from there, than from actual places and people, or simply watching teachers just giving a 3 days checking, without sitting through the various problems that may actually come up at these. So, in a way, I feel like a fresh white paper, no need of having to continue any old quibbles. OTOH, I am not afraid either, not of anybody here, I think I have a clear stand.
[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM
This is interesting. You actually justified Ravi's cranky behaviour as 'crazy wisdom' and 'holy madness'. Where was your objectivity then? --- authfriend jstein@... wrote: You want to rethink your claim that you don't engage in mind-reading? Yes, I have a pro-TM bias, I've never denied that. But as any objective person who has followed my posts would tell you, I'm not a TB; I can be very critical of the TMO and even of MMY. To criticize me for acknowledging uncertainty because I don't have the facts makes you look like a fool.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason jedi_spock@ wrote: Are you the old 'akashya_108' or 'zoran kneta'? Don't know about them, but he's the old zarzari and the old blusc0ut. Aha, that explains the incoherence. I thought he'd been banned from using personal names here though.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM
On Jun 9, 2012, at 10:53 AM, wgm4u wrote: So Willy why haven't we gotten this information from the TMorg? Because Willy is distorting the Transcendental Meditation tradition by making up fantasies.
[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Jun 9, 2012, at 10:53 AM, wgm4u wrote: So Willy why haven't we gotten this information from the TMorg? Because Willy is distorting the Transcendental Meditation tradition by making up fantasies. For what should be obvious reasons (Willy is involved), I haven't been following this topic. But I have to comment on Vaj's comment. I would think that making up fantasies would be *perpetuating* the Transcendental Meditation tradition, not distorting it. Just sayin'...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM
On Jun 9, 2012, at 10:33 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: iranitea: Even though many TM teachers would subscribe to such a view, as they believe, that the power of the mantra comes through the holy tradition and more specifically GD... All the TM bija mantras come directly from GD and the Sri Vidya tradition. All of them are found in the Saundaryalahari composed by the Adi Shankaracharya. Actually, there is no lineal succession between Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and Swami Brahmananda Saraswati (aka “Guru Dev”). So despite being an old TMO claim, it is now known to be a false claim (like many Transcendental Meditation claims). The Maharishi probably got them from a book in Hindi we’re not privy to. There were numerous mantra books in Hindi connecting mantra meditation to physics in the 1950’s Willy, get a clue will ya?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -
hi :) 2012/6/9 Jason jedi_sp...@yahoo.com ** Are you the old 'akashya_108' or 'zoran kneta'? --- iranitea no_reply@... wrote: I think it's fair to introduce myself, well as you can probably see from my handle, I use an anonymous one. Irani tea or chai is a tea from Hyderabad, (I actually didn't know till I looked it up yesterday. But I know it from drinking, hehe.) I do this for several reasons, one is that I want to simply be free to say what I want to say, but personally respecting the choices of close friends and not hurting them. Another one is, that I do not want to be associated with certain topics, as has happened in the past. One third, not less important is, to not be put into a box; like he is pro-TM, he is anti-TM, he is a TBB etc. So, I also believe in reincarnation, not just in the usual sense of the word, but also on Internet forums. So I am not new here, some of you I know for a long time. To break through my policy a bit, I will tell you a bit of what I have done in the past. In one incarnation I created this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiKZjq0vTWg I think most of you have already seen it, it came out of a dialog, we had at the time, centering around something Buck brought up. It was already online before, with 3000 hits, and has now again over 400, you may just look at it again, to give it another boost. At a later incarnation I have discussed various topics with some people, trying to address typical TM-hook-ups, as the nature of transcendence, hazy vs. real, and the roots of TM in traditional japa, and why TM is not in any way more special. I have done so to understand the (con)text that surrounds TM and its own dynamic. In my previous incarnation, I was shocked to notice, how long term TM-ers, who profess to be experts on TM in many ways, are actually lacking any basic sense of discrimination. Something that usually comes only by having actual *life* experiences with people, which is something people have got who paid their dues in the movement, or any other spiritual surrounding for a longer time. Not having experienced oneself directly the dangers that come with extended meditations, like virtually going crazy, you would have known, if you had any experience in real life in similar situations, when for example friends are involved. There would be signs, red flags, one notices in people, and any person with a realistic, down to earth sense would know. This is actually the lack, when only discussing in Internet forums, and drawing most information from there, than from actual places and people, or simply watching teachers just giving a 3 days checking, without sitting through the various problems that may actually come up at these. So, in a way, I feel like a fresh white paper, no need of having to continue any old quibbles. OTOH, I am not afraid either, not of anybody here, I think I have a clear stand.
[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason jedi_spock@... wrote: This is interesting. You actually justified Ravi's cranky behaviour as 'crazy wisdom' and 'holy madness'. I did no such thing. Man, can't anybody on this forum *read English*?? In fact, I *castigated* him for his cranky behavior. Where was your objectivity then? --- authfriend jstein@ wrote: You want to rethink your claim that you don't engage in mind-reading? Yes, I have a pro-TM bias, I've never denied that. But as any objective person who has followed my posts would tell you, I'm not a TB; I can be very critical of the TMO and even of MMY. To criticize me for acknowledging uncertainty because I don't have the facts makes you look like a fool.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM
It’s been long known that Judy is a TM TB, but not a TMO TB in some matters. Judy’s also a known dTMer, a practitioner of a discursive variant of actual TM. This happens when TMers do take TM “to heart” but are so dogmatically entrenched they cannot take it “to spirit”. She also tried to cuddle up to Robin Woodsworth Carlsen, who considered her a demonic TMer. Demonic TMers are probably just more prone to accommodating people of questionable mental health. On Jun 9, 2012, at 1:24 PM, Jason wrote: This is interesting. You actually justified Ravi's cranky behaviour as 'crazy wisdom' and 'holy madness'. Where was your objectivity then? --- authfriend jstein@... wrote: You want to rethink your claim that you don't engage in mind-reading? Yes, I have a pro-TM bias, I've never denied that. But as any objective person who has followed my posts would tell you, I'm not a TB; I can be very critical of the TMO and even of MMY. To criticize me for acknowledging uncertainty because I don't have the facts makes you look like a fool.
[FairfieldLife] Jai !Bill Godfrey! in memorium..
Bill Godrey left the planet this week. Obit http://fairfield-ia.villagesoup.com/people/announcement/obituaries/william-clair-smokey-godfrey-jr/836384?cid=860901#.T9NLgkXVnSk.email
[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Jun 9, 2012, at 7:28 AM, iranitea wrote: The bija mantra isn't a Sanskrit word. It is, it is a Sanskrit letter, it is intricately connected with the way Sanskrit letters are written. Itâs both a Sanskrit letter and a Sanskrit word. Itâs a word because old mantra dictionaries and monosyllabic dictionaries from the tantric tradition, bÄ«ja-koshas, define them. But not as words with semantic meaning. My advanced technique (don't know about the others) *does* have semantic meaning. You could use it in a sentence, e.g., to describe a physical action or a mental attitude in a context that has nothing to do with meditation. You can't use a bija mantra in a sentence except in reference to itself, e.g., My mantra is [mantra], or In TM, we use the bija mantras [mantra 1, mantra 2, mantra 3, etc.], or [Mantra] is a bija mantra, or Hindus associate the bija mantra [mantra] with the deity Saraswati. As anyone who took the time to actually learn mantra-shÄstra should be able to explain, the entire Sanskrit alphabet is âseededâ into your consciousness as part of the authorization to transmit mantra, so they are fundamentally derived from Sanskrit and other similar languages.
[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: snip She also tried to cuddle up to Robin Woodsworth Carlsen, who considered her a demonic TMer. Actually Vaj made the mistake of thinking a playfully ironic exchange between me and Robin was dead serious. Most others here recognized the exchange for what it was and enjoyed the humor.
[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Jun 9, 2012, at 10:33 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: iranitea: Even though many TM teachers would subscribe to such a view, as they believe, that the power of the mantra comes through the holy tradition and more specifically GD... All the TM bija mantras come directly from GD and the Sri Vidya tradition. All of them are found in the Saundaryalahari composed by the Adi Shankaracharya. Actually, there is no lineal succession between Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and Swami Brahmananda Saraswati (aka Guru Dev). So despite being an old TMO claim, it is now known to be a false claim (like many Transcendental Meditation claims). The Maharishi probably got them from a book in Hindi we're not privy to. There were numerous mantra books in Hindi connecting mantra meditation to physics in the 1950's Willy, get a clue will ya? To say there is 'no lineal succession' between Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, and Swami Brahmananda Saraswati, is simply and utterly ridiculous!~ As you are well aware, Maharishi was with Guru Dev, straight out of college, and remained with him until his passing... He was his personal secretary, and studied, wrote and helped Guru Dev to propagate the knowledge throughout India... Guru Dev was well aware of Maharishi's potential to continue to bring this teaching far and wide throughout the world...this is why he told Maharishi to finish his education before joining him.. To say there is no lineal connection, because Maharishi was not born a 'Brahman' is silly... The whole notion of the caste system in India, has been the cause of racism and all kinds of misunderstandings... Now, with the Brahman Vedic Pundits learning under the auspicies of the TM movement, the notion that Maharishi was not prepared to succeed Guru Dev, is again simply ridiculous! Robert
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM
On Jun 9, 2012, at 2:53 PM, Robert wrote: To say there is 'no lineal succession' between Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, and Swami Brahmananda Saraswati, is simply and utterly ridiculous!~ As you are well aware, Maharishi was with Guru Dev, straight out of college, and remained with him until his passing... He was his personal secretary, and studied, wrote and helped Guru Dev to propagate the knowledge throughout India... Guru Dev was well aware of Maharishi's potential to continue to bring this teaching far and wide throughout the world...this is why he told Maharishi to finish his education before joining him.. To say there is no lineal connection, because Maharishi was not born a 'Brahman' is silly... The whole notion of the caste system in India, has been the cause of racism and all kinds of misunderstandings... Now, with the Brahman Vedic Pundits learning under the auspicies of the TM movement, the notion that Maharishi was not prepared to succeed Guru Dev, is again simply ridiculous! Methinks someone needs to watch “David Wants to Fly” again
[FairfieldLife] Al Qaeda Offers Bounty for Heads of Obama and Hillary
This was a mocking gesture for what the US Forces are offering for the leaders of their leaders. http://news.yahoo.com/al-qaeda-offshoot-offers-camels-obamas-head-hens-165924543--abc-news-topstories.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] How To Help A Fellow Seeker Avoid Selflessness
Finally, an answer to why *you* are here :) From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 9, 2012 8:58 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] How To Help A Fellow Seeker Avoid Selflessness As all successful Blissninnies® and certified New Age® practitioners know, the New Age (no registered mark...the concept this time, not the corporation) is upon us, and those of us fortunate enough to be on the planet at this time are about to rise in Ascension to Awakening, Enlightenment, Newageitude®, or whatever you and your cult of choice call it. While this is all Ordained By God, and is gonna happen no matter what we puny humans do, the transition between ignorance and Newageitude® can be at times a rough one. As more and more of your ego -- or in New Age® terms, self -- fades away and you merge with your eternal Self, it is normal for the seeker (soon to be finder) to experience some discomfort, even panic. Oh no, they think, my self seems to going away. Who will I *be* in this coming New Age if I'm not *me*? This feeling of distress -- sometimes called The Dark Night Of The Soul -- can be a real bitch to deal with. Our proposed solution, here at New Age® Inc., is to assist our fellow seekers by helping them to PUT OFF selflessness as long as humanly possible, and thus avoid Premature Ascension®. It's gonna happen anyway, right? So why rush things? Hang onto that self as long as you possibly can. Don't lose the ego, *strengthen* it...help it to grow stronger, and larger, and squeeze every last drop of pleasure out of self before it dissolves into Self. And help others to do the same. Here are a few things you can do for your fellow seekers, as you encounter them in person or on the Internet, to help them cling to their selves for as long as they can, and thus put off Newageitude® until it's forced upon them by God. * Argue with them. About pretty much anything. Allow them to keep the arguments going as long as they want. This works like a charm. What, after all, can believe in something or feel they're right about something strongly enough to defend it or argue about it? Only a self. The Self just doesn't go there. So the more often you allow a self to argue about the things it believes and the things it thinks it's right about, the stronger and more entrenched that self becomes. * Take them seriously. Especially if others are laughing at them. Even more especially if they have a history of getting upset *when* people laugh at them. The laughers are trying to remind them that they're stuck in the self, and should Lighten The Fuck Up. That is the *last* thing a circling-the-drain-of-selflessness self wants to hear. It wants to be taken *seriously*, as if it really exists. * Flatter them. The self just *lives* for flattery. Compliment a self for something it believes about its...uh...self, and it's happy as a pig in shit. Compliment their writing, or the precise way their mind works when they're arguing with someone and just devastated them with one of their uber-digs, and that self will puff up its...uh...self bigger than a Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade balloon. * Tell them how special they are. This is a corollary to the flatter them technique, but deserves its own bullet point. *Nothing* puffs up a self and enables it to cling to the myth of its own existence more than being told how special that self is. So tell the selves you run into how *amazing* they are, and how fortunate they are to be part of the insert name of cult here organization, which is composed of the few people on the planet who Know The Truth®. No self that believes it's special has ever -- in the entire course of human history -- slipped into Self. * Help them denounce their enemies. It really doesn't *matter* if you hate the people the people you're trying to help hate. All that is important is that you pile on whenever the self you're trying to help dumps on them, to help them feel that their obsession with the enemy is actually important, and valid, and not just the product of an ordinary bruised ego. Remember the ancient adage, The archenemy of the Self is the self that still believes in 'enemies'. * Join their cliques. If the self you're trying to help cling to its...uh...self tends to cling to other selves, cling to them, too. Join their clique, and help them *all* keep a firm grasp on their selves, so that they don't dissolve into Self. * Feed their delusions. If the self you're trying to help believes it's highly evolved, echo back to them that they're highly evolved. If that self believes that it's Santa Claus, *tell* them they're Santa Claus. The Self cannot have delusions, only a self can. * Applaud their unacceptable behavior. If the self you're trying to help tends to act out their distress at feeling their egos
[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Jun 9, 2012, at 2:53 PM, Robert wrote: To say there is 'no lineal succession' between Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, and Swami Brahmananda Saraswati, is simply and utterly ridiculous!~ As you are well aware, Maharishi was with Guru Dev, straight out of college, and remained with him until his passing... He was his personal secretary, and studied, wrote and helped Guru Dev to propagate the knowledge throughout India... Guru Dev was well aware of Maharishi's potential to continue to bring this teaching far and wide throughout the world...this is why he told Maharishi to finish his education before joining him.. To say there is no lineal connection, because Maharishi was not born a 'Brahman' is silly... The whole notion of the caste system in India, has been the cause of racism and all kinds of misunderstandings... Now, with the Brahman Vedic Pundits learning under the auspicies of the TM movement, the notion that Maharishi was not prepared to succeed Guru Dev, is again simply ridiculous! Methinks someone needs to watch �David Wants to Fly� again Me thinks someone needs to read a bit more. THere were two claimants to Jyotirmath after Gurudev died: his nephew, named in Gurudev's will and a guy hand-picked by the conclave of punduts scholars and priests who had picked Gurudev in the first place. Gurudev's nephew supported MMY. The other guy did not. Gurudev's nephew was installed in the same ashram that Gurudev lived in, complete with all the relics that Gurudev used to haul around., The other guy was installed elsewhere. The court case to decide who was going to be the real Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath was never settled until all people named in Gurudev's will had passed away and a second generation student was named to fill the slot. At this point, the courts ruled in favor of the choice of the conclave, who had studied with Gurudev for a few years before he died before he went to study with someone else. THAT person was interviewed in David Wants to Fly, L.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Obama's scary socialist past revealed, (breaking).
Exactly - this was excellent in terms of communicating the larger problem of how the differences between Dems and Repub's have narrowed and continue to narrow significantly. Obama and Congress actually forwarded and supported so much of the Republican agenda and it hasn't worked particularly well. More of the same philosophy will result in more of the same...consolidate money and power in the hands of fewer and fewer individuals - particularly now that corporations are people too. I don't understand how hard working americans can be so duped. I've been reading the Hunger Games series to keep up with the kids (although I'm always late to this effort). The books aren't particularly literary, but do weave the concepts of compassion/lack of, media, dictatorship, technology, rebellion, control of the masses, etc., into the story targeted at the next generation, I believe. And Ha ha on Bill M's last line skewering the Dem's platform...vote for us, we're lame, but we're not nuts. From: raunchydog raunchy...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 9, 2012 7:32 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Obama's scary socialist past revealed, (breaking). --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u no_reply@ wrote: It is breaking, that is, new evidence of his socialist past has surfaced in the logs of the *New Party* just today; their goals and 'his' are scary if you ask me!! It all adds up, we now know Obama much better, IMO. Billy, it's flat out silly that rightwingers think Obama is a socialist. Obama's political compass points in the direction of self-aggrandizing opportunity, not socialism. What's scary is that you believe this crap. What's even scarier is that the American people can be brainwashed to believe *anything.* In a dystopian future, the dupes of revisionist history will serve their corporate masters well. If you can drag yourself away from the FOX News Lie Machine for a minute, let's see if you can answer these not-so-distant political history questions: 1. Did Reagan lower or raise the national debt? 2. Were tax rates under Reagan lower or higher than under Clinton and Obama? 3. Was Obama's stimulus package mostly tax cuts? Answers: 1. Reagan raised the national debt. 2. Tax rates were higher under Reagan. 3. Obama's stimulus was mostly tax cuts. If you answered incorrectly, you have proven my point. Propaganda works. In Chicago Obama was just a pol stumping in the hizzy, following the path of least resistance, New Party, or whatever the flavor of the day, so what? Bill Maher had the sanest thing to say about Obama I've heard. If Obama's a socialist, he's a lousy socialist. Sounds like your dawg, just turned into a bitch... Translation: Billy flunked the test and Bill Maher's commentary exploded his brain. http://youtu.be/NJABF5_yBXA
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Obama's scary socialist past revealed, (breaking).
Why? Though I might argue that US might be better off breaking up into 9 geographical counties, each focusing on it's own needs. The problem with free enterprise other than small businesses is that it get gamed by egotists who want to become kings of the world. And then you start seeing the corporate wars like Apple vs Google vs Microsoft vs Samsung (yada, yada, yada). Makes me so mad I'd love to punish the C students who wound up starting these companies by making whole world socialist for a few centuries. And I just love to hear the justifications people have for capitalism and free enterprise. :-D On 06/09/2012 12:58 AM, Jason wrote: Carde boy, is it possible that proper socialism works only in countries with low population and sufficient land and other resources? In countries with large population and scarcer resources, the Scandinavian model of socialism is doubtful to work. --- cardemaisterno_reply@... wrote: It seems to me in Amerika anybody who defends the underprivileged citizens, is for many people a socialist... OTOH, I'm almost not at all a homo politicus... :D --- raunchydograunchydog@ wrote: Billy, it's flat out silly that rightwingers think Obama is a socialist. Obama's political compass points in the direction of self-aggrandizing opportunity, not socialism. What's scary is that you believe this crap. What's even scarier is that the American people can be brainwashed to believe *anything.* In a dystopian future, the dupes of revisionist history will serve their corporate masters well. If you can drag yourself away from the FOX News Lie Machine for a minute, let's see if you can answer these not-so-distant political history questions: 1. Did Reagan lower or raise the national debt? 2. Were tax rates under Reagan lower or higher than under Clinton and Obama? 3. Was Obama's stimulus package mostly tax cuts? Answers: 1. Reagan raised the national debt. 2. Tax rates were higher under Reagan. 3. Obama's stimulus was mostly tax cuts. If you answered incorrectly, you have proven my point. Propaganda works. In Chicago Obama was just a pol stumping in the hizzy, following the path of least resistance, New Party, or whatever the flavor of the day, so what? Bill Maher had the sanest thing to say about Obama I've heard. If Obama's a socialist, he's a lousy socialist. http://youtu.be/NJABF5_yBXA --- wgm4uno_reply@ wrote: It is breaking, that is, new evidence of his socialist past has surfaced in the logs of the *New Party* just today; their goals and 'his' are scary if you ask me!! It all adds up, we now know Obama much better, IMO. --- authfriendjstein@ wrote: (breaking)--too funny. --- Emily Reynemilymae.reyn@ wrote: Whateverthis is insane. The reality is not even this. Obama has supported so many aspects of the Republican agenda, that there is likely a solid argument that could be made (not by me) for the idea that what we are really voting on is the difference between 2 Republican candidates. These scare tactics are pathetic and extreme. My grandparents forwarded me the National Review for years, back when it was bashing numbers of educational institutions for being communist - they were concerned about what my professors might be teaching me. The rag is completely over the top crazy in my view.
Re: [FairfieldLife] S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM
On Jun 9, 2012, at 5:02 PM, sparaig wrote: Me thinks someone needs to read a bit more. THere were two claimants to Jyotirmath after Gurudev died: his nephew, named in Gurudev's will and a guy hand-picked by the conclave of punduts scholars and priests who had picked Gurudev in the first place. Gurudev's nephew supported MMY. The other guy did not. Gurudev's nephew was installed in the same ashram that Gurudev lived in, complete with all the relics that Gurudev used to haul around., The other guy was installed elsewhere. The court case to decide who was going to be the real Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath was never settled until all people named in Gurudev's will had passed away and a second generation student was named to fill the slot. At this point, the courts ruled in favor of the choice of the conclave, who had studied with Gurudev for a few years before he died before he went to study with someone else. THAT person was interviewed in David Wants to Fly, You seem to have missed the salient point here Lawson: Mahesh was never even a sishya of SBS, and thus has no (none, zero, zip, nada) lineal connection to SBS despite all the posing to the contrary. So if you have a picture of the “Holy Tradition” in your home, you can cross out all of the people except Mahesh - and then you’d have it right.
[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Jun 9, 2012, at 5:02 PM, sparaig wrote: Me thinks someone needs to read a bit more. THere were two claimants to Jyotirmath after Gurudev died: his nephew, named in Gurudev's will and a guy hand-picked by the conclave of punduts scholars and priests who had picked Gurudev in the first place. Gurudev's nephew supported MMY. The other guy did not. Gurudev's nephew was installed in the same ashram that Gurudev lived in, complete with all the relics that Gurudev used to haul around., The other guy was installed elsewhere. The court case to decide who was going to be the real Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath was never settled until all people named in Gurudev's will had passed away and a second generation student was named to fill the slot. At this point, the courts ruled in favor of the choice of the conclave, who had studied with Gurudev for a few years before he died before he went to study with someone else. THAT person was interviewed in David Wants to Fly, You seem to have missed the salient point here Lawson: Mahesh was never even a sishya of SBS The Buddhist's in here are getting really, really desperate :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM
wgm4u: So Willy why haven't we gotten this information from the TMorg? You'd have to ask them, I guess, but the facts are the facts. Where do you think MMY got the TM bija mantras? Didn't he say he got all his teaching from his master, GD? All the Saraswati sanyasins meditate on the bija of Saraswati, so it's reasonable to infer that GD must have got the Saraswati bija when he got initiated by his master SKS. According to Swami Rama, GD was a Sri Vidya adherent. Bija mantras issued by TM are 'Sri Vidya' bija mantras. To be fair, I won't go into what they are, but if one listens to all TM mantras, except for 2, they are 2 or 3 syllable, and this is a very important component of the technique. From: Billy Smith Subject: Re: Guru Dev and Sri Vidya Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: 2003-04-22 13:20:33 PST http://tinyurl.com/ye8my2 Even though many TM teachers would subscribe to such a view, as they believe, that the power of the mantra comes through the holy tradition and more specifically GD... All the TM bija mantras come directly from GD and the Sri Vidya tradition. All of them are found in the Saundaryalahari composed by the Adi Shankaracharya. So, let's review what we know: Sringeri is the seat of the Saraswati Dasanami lineage, founded by the Adi Shankaracharya in the seventh centruy A.D. At Sringeri, the Adi Shankaracharya placed a Sri Chakra (mystical diagram) on the mandir with the TM bija mantras inscribed thereon. Shringeri: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shringeri Then, the Adi Shankaracharya composed the Saundaryalahari, and included the sixteen TM bija mantras therein. According to historians, the sixteenth bija mantra, 'Srim', was added to the fifteen as fertilizer for the other fifteen. Soundarya Lahari: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soundarya_Lahari All the Saraswati adherents worship the Sri Vidya, which translated means, Auspicious Knowledge of the Transcendent, that is, 'Knowledge is structured in Consciousness'. Sri Vidya: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sri_vidya Swami Brahmananda Saraswati's guru was Krishnananda Saraswati. Swami Brahmananda Saraswati was succeeed by Swami Shantananda Saraswati at Jyotirmath. According to Swami Rama of the Himalayas, Guru Dev was a proponent of the Sri Vidya, and that Guru Dev used to worship a ruby-encrusted Sri Chakra with the TM bijas mantras inscribed on it. 'Living With the Himalayan Masters' By Swami Rama http://tinyurl.com/7fch3ea So, to sum up: So, since the TM bija mantras come from the Adi Shankara, passed down through Shantanand Saraswati, and are included in the supreme scripture of the Sri Vidya, the Saundaryalahari, we can conclude that the MMY got the TM bija mantras from his Master, SBS, who got them from his master SKS. James Duffy and Billy Smith both seem to agree with this.
[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM
So Willy why haven't we gotten this information from the TMorg? Vaj: Because Willy is distorting the Transcendental Meditation tradition by making up fantasies. You are mistaken: the primary scripture of the Sri Vidya Tradition is the 'Soundarya Lahari' which was composed by the Adi Shankara. The Saunda contains all the TM bija mantras used by all the Saraswati Sannyasins. The Saunda is the main and most important tantra in the Shankara Saraswati Order, according to Sri Chandrasekharendra Saraswati Swamigal of Sringeri Matha. SBS's succussor, Swami Vasudevanand Saraswati of Jotirmath, is the only surviving direct desciple of SBS in the guru parampara, and Vasudevanand fully supports MMY's TM movement. Subject: Re: Guru Dev and Sri Vidya From: James Duffy Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: April 28, 2003 http://tinyurl.com/2drn7gp
[FairfieldLife] Fwd: Water Meter Opt Public Hearing MONDAY 7:00 PM City Hall - PLEASE ATTEND
From: Diane Rosenberg drosenb...@lisco.com Subject: Water Meter Opt Public Hearing MONDAY 7:00 PM City Hall - PLEASE ATTEND Date: June 9, 2012 4:06:32 PM CDT To: dickm...@lisco.com Please come to Monday's City Council meeting regarding the Neptune water meters. This is an important issue that affects our community's health and pocketbooks, and the City Council needs to see that people really do care. Please feel free to forward this to all your family and friends. The Fairfield City Council meets MONDAY June 11 at 7:00pm at City Hall, S Main St for the 2nd public hearing of the Water Meter opt out proposal This proposal is to allow citizens an alternative to the City's preferred meter the Neptune E-Coder radio read meter which pulse RF radiation every 14 seconds. For a background to this issue, please go to http://tinyurl.com/FairfieldSmartMeterPetition This meeting is especially important because this is the last meeting of the council, before the next meeting at which they vote to approve the opt out. SO THIS IS OUR LAST OPPORTUNITY to voice our support for no fees for the opt out. Not enough people have been present so far, and it suggests no concern for the high costs being proposed. It is important for people to voice their opinions, and for everyone to show up and be present to demonstrate commitment to no cost for the opt out. What we have learned so far: • 4 years ago the Water Department decided they could save costs of one of the two salaries for water meter readers if most of the city was switched to radio read meters which can be read from a vehicle on the road outside the house, and would not require a meter reader to walk up to each house. The Neptune E-Coder Water Meter was selected and to date 1552 have been installed and the City plans to compete all remaining homes with these meters within a few years. • Fairfield residents were being told, as recently as April 2012, that the Neptune E-Coder pulsed only once per month after a meter reader remotely sent a signal to request a reading. THIS IS FALSE! The meters pulse RF radiation every 14 seconds 24 hours a day. • The World Health Organization (WHO) last year reclassified microwave radiation from wireless communication devices as classification Class 2B possible carcinogen. This is the same class as lead, DDT and car exhaust. The risks to children and pregnant mothers for wireless radiation is much greater due to their thinner skulls protecting the brain. Taking heed of this the governments of many countries have issued warnings or banned the sale of cell phones to children. These include Russia, France, Finland, United Kingdom, Israel, Belgium, Germany and India. • Recent published research shows that other devices emitting RF radiation at similar peak intensity and frequencies can cause arrhythmia, rapid changes in heart rate indicating potential for serious heart problems, impaired mental function, indicating interference with brain functioning, and reduced fertility. • Fairfield residents with these meters are reporting the same symptoms that others with RF (smart) meters in other cities are reporting, including headaches, dizziness, ringing in the ears, nausea, insomnia, and other problems. These are established symptoms of RF exposure. • The Neptune E-Coders are being installed by the City in homes sometimes as close as three feet away from peoples beds or desks. The meters are often inside closets, even in bedrooms in many trailers throughout the City. • The Fairfield City Council Environment Committee Chairman, Michael Halley insists the meters are safe. In emails to citizens concerned about the meters he describes their concerns as baseless mania... based on pseudo-science and misinformation, not fact. What the OPT OUT proposes: Citizens who do not want the Neptune E-Coder will be offered a new Neptune Touchpad meter (as already on many Fairfield homes) for an extra cost of: * One time fee of $100 plus Labor @ $75 an hour, billed in half hour increments. So the MINIMUM one time charge is $137.50 * Recurring monthly fee of $10 to cover cost of meter reader coming to the home once per month (instead of reading from a vehicle in the roadway outside the home) We need to express to the City Council: • The WATER BILLS ARE ALREADY TOO HIGH. We think the OPT OUT SHOULD BE FREE. Many places such as St Paul MN offer the same opt out that this proposal offers AT NO EXTRA COST. (see article at: http://db.tt/tLCF9CYI ) Fairfield should follow the State of Vermont which last month became the first state in the US to make it ILLEGAL to charge fees to citizens who choose to opt of the wireless smart utility meters. • The cost of the Neptune E-Coder meter is $240 or approximately $145 more than the existing Neptune Touchpad meter presently used and proposed in the opt out plan as a safer - non RF emitting water meter. The extra cost borne by the City for this upgrade may
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[FairfieldLife] Re: S U P E R BLOG/ CLIP ON TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Jun 9, 2012, at 5:02 PM, sparaig wrote: Me thinks someone needs to read a bit more. THere were two claimants to Jyotirmath after Gurudev died: his nephew, named in Gurudev's will and a guy hand-picked by the conclave of punduts scholars and priests who had picked Gurudev in the first place. Gurudev's nephew supported MMY. The other guy did not. Gurudev's nephew was installed in the same ashram that Gurudev lived in, complete with all the relics that Gurudev used to haul around., The other guy was installed elsewhere. The court case to decide who was going to be the real Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath was never settled until all people named in Gurudev's will had passed away and a second generation student was named to fill the slot. At this point, the courts ruled in favor of the choice of the conclave, who had studied with Gurudev for a few years before he died before he went to study with someone else. THAT person was interviewed in David Wants to Fly, You seem to have missed the salient point here Lawson: Mahesh was never even a sishya of SBS, and thus has no (none, zero, zip, nada) lineal connection to SBS despite all the posing to the contrary. So if you have a picture of the �Holy Tradition� in your home, you can cross out all of the people except Mahesh - and then you�d have it right. You'll notice that MMY is NOT directly below Gurudev, but to the left and he is standing, not sitting, like nearly everyone else is. He is also wearing white not red He makes it clear pictorially that he is NOT an heir to the tradition, and he has always claimed that he is an exponent of his teacher's teachings, not the originator or in any way a successor. Fine lines, I agree. L
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason jedi_spock@ wrote: Are you the old 'akashya_108' or 'zoran kneta'? Don't know about them, but he's the old zarzari and the old blusc0ut. Aha, that explains the incoherence. I thought he'd been banned from using personal names here though. He wasn't banned. Wielding the full violent fury of my moderator iron fist, I gently reminded him of the rule about not using the real names of anonymous posters, and he was, like, totally cool about it and agreed to stop doing it.
[FairfieldLife] Jai !Bill Godfrey! in memorium..
Come to Fairfield as a meditator. Waggin' Tail I'll take my waggin tail Waggin down the wagon trail If in you don't mind I'll tag along with you And we'll go all the way To California If in I don't wind up as Injun stew! Yea hodee hoo! -William C. Godfrey Bill Godfrey left the planet this week. Obit http://fairfield-ia.villagesoup.com/people/announcement/obituaries/william-clair\ -smokey-godfrey-jr/836384?cid=860901#.T9NLgkXVnSk.email
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hello FFL -
I thank the Unified Field of Pure Consciousness in this lifetime that this can be safely done. Welcome back, I thank god too at times for these times of relative peace for many of us and the internet. Nothing so purifying as is the sunlight of the day. Have to be thankful that we can write like we do here on FFL and also even carry on a discussion with(some of) the Dome over-seers without arrest or may be worst over the things we may say. A lot different than Siberia: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-18116112 The labour force was almost entirely made up of enemies of the people - prisoners convicted of political offences. ..hard labour for that supposedly political crime, explains Lyudmila, but what did it have to do with politics? -Buck back in the Dome --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@ wrote: I think it's fair to introduce myself, well as you can probably see from my handle, I use an anonymous one. Irani tea or chai is a tea from Hyderabad, (I actually didn't know till I looked it up yesterday. But I know it from drinking, hehe.) I do this for several reasons, one is that I want to simply be free to say what I want to say, but personally respecting the choices of close friends and not hurting them. Another one is, that I do not want to be associated with certain topics, as has happened in the past. One third, not less important is, to not be put into a box; like he is pro-TM, he is anti-TM, he is a TBB etc. So, I also believe in reincarnation, not just in the usual sense of the word, but also on Internet forums. So I am not new here, some of you I know for a long time. To break through my policy a bit, I will tell you a bit of what I have done in the past. In one incarnation I created this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiKZjq0vTWg Jai Jai Iranitea, welcome back. FFL certainly missed your insightful and wise presence. This seems to be the weekend of jubilee, returning posters come back home. I am just back after having been kicked off FFL for over-posting with positivity about TM here. Some would claim as a TM fundamentalist. Though it seems I possibly am one of only a few to be 'kicked out' for being both 'for' and out of gospel with the culture of both TM and FFL and then let come home in both places. I thank the Unified Field of Pure Consciousness in this lifetime that this can be safely done. Welcome back, -Buck in the Dome I think most of you have already seen it, it came out of a dialog, we had at the time, centering around something Buck brought up. It was already online before, with 3000 hits, and has now again over 400, you may just look at it again, to give it another boost. At a later incarnation I have discussed various topics with some people, trying to address typical TM-hook-ups, as the nature of transcendence, hazy vs. real, and the roots of TM in traditional japa, and why TM is not in any way more special. I have done so to understand the (con)text that surrounds TM and its own dynamic. In my previous incarnation, I was shocked to notice, how long term TM-ers, who profess to be experts on TM in many ways, are actually lacking any basic sense of discrimination. Something that usually comes only by having actual *life* experiences with people, which is something people have got who paid their dues in the movement, or any other spiritual surrounding for a longer time. Not having experienced oneself directly the dangers that come with extended meditations, like virtually going crazy, you would have known, if you had any experience in real life in similar situations, when for example friends are involved. There would be signs, red flags, one notices in people, and any person with a realistic, down to earth sense would know. This is actually the lack, when only discussing in Internet forums, and drawing most information from there, than from actual places and people, or simply watching teachers just giving a 3 days checking, without sitting through the various problems that may actually come up at these. So, in a way, I feel like a fresh white paper, no need of having to continue any old quibbles. OTOH, I am not afraid either, not of anybody here, I think I have a clear stand.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vastu tiny house
Does not even come close to solve the larger problem of housing for people on the IA course here. Housing for aging TM'ers? TM movement- singles on Mother Divine, Purusha and MUM? started building simple houses that were put at the disposal of the poor. As it became clear how great the need was, a project for building 25,000 houses for widows, handicaped, elderly and other needy people started in 1998. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Mays dickmays@ wrote: Vastu Cabin! After several months of building it was so fulfilling to show you the finished product and hear your feedback. I'm writing to you today to share our website and facebook page. Like our Facebook page to keep posted on new Vastu Cabin developments! Please enjoy the photos and share with your friends. www.VastuCabin.com www.facebook.com/vastucabin -- www.VastuCabin.com $30K? Without a place to put it? Bourgeois green in new-age vedic woo-woo package. Cute but without a root chakra. Does not even come close to solve the larger problem of housing for people on the IA course here. The real design problem is a need for something efficient and affordable for meditators coming to be in the Domes on the Howard Settle income stipend of $850 a month. Bankers use rule of thumb, 30% of monthly income for all housing costs. Use that as the design constraint. This bourgeois-y vastu cabin only perpetuates the larger spiritual distraction and sin of materialism. Nothing green about fanning the flames of an over-priced cute green housing that would bury people trying to live a spiritual life. That has already been done here. -Buck in the Dome
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jai !Bill Godfrey! in memorium..
Rest in peace, dearest Bill. Thanks for surprising me by planting early sweet peas in my garden, and building a wonky fence of sticks and wild grapevine bordering your home so many years ago. When I look out my window into my backyard, the wooden slats still stand as a reminder of a man who found untamed nature more appealing than the manicured landscape my new neighbor prefers. Most people would think the dame's rocket you planted around my pine trees is just a weed but I think its perennial bloom is a wonderful testament to how much you loved and cared for natural beauty. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: Come to Fairfield as a meditator. Waggin' Tail I'll take my waggin tail Waggin down the wagon trail If in you don't mind I'll tag along with you And we'll go all the way To California If in I don't wind up as Injun stew! Yea hodee hoo! -William C. Godfrey Bill Godfrey left the planet this week. Obit http://fairfield-ia.villagesoup.com/people/announcement/obituaries/william-clair\ -smokey-godfrey-jr/836384?cid=860901#.T9NLgkXVnSk.email
