[FairfieldLife] How the deluded see the world....
Delusional People See the World Through Their Mind's Eye A mechanism for how the brain creates and maintains delusions is revealed in a new study. Having delusions, such as a belief in telekinesis, can influence how people see the world - literally. Human beliefs http://www.livescience.com/16748-americans-beliefs-paranormal-infograph\ ic.html are shaped by perception, but the new research suggests delusions unfounded but tightly held beliefs can turn the tables and actually shape perception. People who are prone to forming delusions may not correctly distinguish among different sensory inputs, and may rely on these delusions to help make sense of the world, the study finds. Typical delusions include paranoid ideas or inflated ideas about oneself. Beliefs form in order to minimize our surprise about the world, said neuroscientist Phil Corlett of Yale University in New Haven, Conn., who was not involved in the study. Our expectations override what we actually see, Corlett added. The prevailing thinking holds that people develop delusions http://www.livescience.com/5508-people-unsure-beliefs-close-minded.html\ to predict how events in their lives will occur just as Pavlov's dog learned to predict that the sound of a bell ringing meant dinnertime was imminent. Humans update their beliefs when what they predict doesn't match what they actually experience, Corlett said. But delusions often appear to override the evidence of the senses. To test this idea, German and Swedish researchers conducted behavioral and neuroimaging experiments on healthy people who harbor delusions. In one experiment, volunteers were given a questionnaire designed to measure delusional beliefs. Questions included: Do you ever feel as if people are reading your mind?; Do you ever feel as if there is a conspiracy against you http://www.livescience.com/11375-top-ten-conspiracy-theories.html ?; Do you ever feel as if you are, or destined to be someone very important?; and Are you often worried that your partner may be unfaithful? The participants then performed a task that tested their visual perception: They were shown a sphere-shaped set of dots rotating in an ambiguous direction, and asked to report which direction it was rotating at various intervals. People who harbored a greater number of delusional beliefs (those who scored higher on the questionnaire) saw the dots appear to change direction more often than the average person. The result confirms findings from previous studies that delusional individuals have less stable perceptions of the world. In a second experiment, the volunteers were given glasses, which they were told would bias their view so that the rotating dots would appear to go in one direction http://www.livescience.com/14093-optical-illusions-gallery.html more often than the other direction a delusion, because these were actually ordinary glasses. The volunteers performed a similar dot-watching task, with a learning phase and a test phase. During the learning phase, the dots clearly rotated in one direction, but during the test phase, the direction was ambiguous. While wearing the glasses, the volunteers reported seeing the dots rotate in the biased direction, even during the test phase. They clung to the delusion that the glasses altered their vision, even though the visual evidence contradicted this idea, suggesting they used their delusional beliefs to interpret what they were seeing. A third experiment was similar to the second, but brain scans were taken using functional magnetic resonance imaging. The scans showed that when people were deluded about the direction of the dots' rotation, their brains were encoding the delusion as if they had really seen the dots move that way. In other words, people weren't just ignoring what they saw; they were really seeing something else. Furthermore, the brain scans revealed connections between a brain area involved in beliefs, the orbitofrontal cortex, and an area involved in visual processing, the visual cortex. (Both became active during the delusional observations.) Corlett finds the results exciting. The study gives us a nice explanation for the relation between belief and perception and how it might go awry, he said. But he cautioned that drawing inferences about people who are clinically delusional, such as those with schizophrenia http://www.livescience.com/34794-schizophrenia-mental-disorder-percepti\ on-distortion.html , may be premature. Time will tell whether the same brain mechanisms are at play for these patients, he said. http://www.livescience.com/39038-how-delusions-shape-perception.html http://www.livescience.com/39038-how-delusions-shape-perception.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: How the deluded see the world....
cf. http://tinyurl.com/lah5w7c http://tinyurl.com/lah5w7c :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 wrote: Delusional People See the World Through Their Mind's Eye A mechanism for how the brain creates and maintains delusions is revealed in a new study. Having delusions, such as a belief in telekinesis, can influence how people see the world - literally. Human beliefs ic.html are shaped by perception, but the new research suggests delusions unfounded but tightly held beliefs can turn the tables and actually shape perception. People who are prone to forming delusions may not correctly distinguish among different sensory inputs, and may rely on these delusions to help make sense of the world, the study finds. Typical delusions include paranoid ideas or inflated ideas about oneself. Beliefs form in order to minimize our surprise about the world, said neuroscientist Phil Corlett of Yale University in New Haven, Conn., who was not involved in the study. Our expectations override what we actually see, Corlett added. The prevailing thinking holds that people develop delusions to predict how events in their lives will occur just as Pavlov's dog learned to predict that the sound of a bell ringing meant dinnertime was imminent. Humans update their beliefs when what they predict doesn't match what they actually experience, Corlett said. But delusions often appear to override the evidence of the senses. To test this idea, German and Swedish researchers conducted behavioral and neuroimaging experiments on healthy people who harbor delusions. In one experiment, volunteers were given a questionnaire designed to measure delusional beliefs. Questions included: Do you ever feel as if people are reading your mind?; Do you ever feel as if there is a conspiracy against you ?; Do you ever feel as if you are, or destined to be someone very important?; and Are you often worried that your partner may be unfaithful? The participants then performed a task that tested their visual perception: They were shown a sphere-shaped set of dots rotating in an ambiguous direction, and asked to report which direction it was rotating at various intervals. People who harbored a greater number of delusional beliefs (those who scored higher on the questionnaire) saw the dots appear to change direction more often than the average person. The result confirms findings from previous studies that delusional individuals have less stable perceptions of the world. In a second experiment, the volunteers were given glasses, which they were told would bias their view so that the rotating dots would appear to go in one direction more often than the other direction a delusion, because these were actually ordinary glasses. The volunteers performed a similar dot-watching task, with a learning phase and a test phase. During the learning phase, the dots clearly rotated in one direction, but during the test phase, the direction was ambiguous. While wearing the glasses, the volunteers reported seeing the dots rotate in the biased direction, even during the test phase. They clung to the delusion that the glasses altered their vision, even though the visual evidence contradicted this idea, suggesting they used their delusional beliefs to interpret what they were seeing. A third experiment was similar to the second, but brain scans were taken using functional magnetic resonance imaging. The scans showed that when people were deluded about the direction of the dots' rotation, their brains were encoding the delusion as if they had really seen the dots move that way. In other words, people weren't just ignoring what they saw; they were really seeing something else. Furthermore, the brain scans revealed connections between a brain area involved in beliefs, the orbitofrontal cortex, and an area involved in visual processing, the visual cortex. (Both became active during the delusional observations.) Corlett finds the results exciting. The study gives us a nice explanation for the relation between belief and perception and how it might go awry, he said. But he cautioned that drawing inferences about people who are clinically delusional, such as those with schizophrenia on-distortion.html , may be premature. Time will tell whether the same brain mechanisms are at play for these patients, he said. http://www.livescience.com/39038-how-delusions-shape-perception.html
[FairfieldLife] YF in Latin America supports WP?? ROF...
http://wmpoweruser.com/idc-windows-phone-now-the-second-most-used-mobile-operating-system-in-latin-america/ http://tinyurl.com/kwwd6u3
[FairfieldLife] Hebrew vs. Sanskrit?
IMHO, Hebrew might be primarily a bhakti language, whereas Sanskrit rather a jñaana (gyaana) language?? ROFLOL!
[FairfieldLife] Re: How the deluded see the world....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: cf. http://tinyurl.com/lah5w7c http://tinyurl.com/lah5w7c :-) We still need a customers review for this one. Anyone? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 wrote: Delusional People See the World Through Their Mind's Eye A mechanism for how the brain creates and maintains delusions is revealed in a new study. Having delusions, such as a belief in telekinesis, can influence how people see the world - literally. Human beliefs ic.html are shaped by perception, but the new research suggests delusions unfounded but tightly held beliefs can turn the tables and actually shape perception. People who are prone to forming delusions may not correctly distinguish among different sensory inputs, and may rely on these delusions to help make sense of the world, the study finds. Typical delusions include paranoid ideas or inflated ideas about oneself. Beliefs form in order to minimize our surprise about the world, said neuroscientist Phil Corlett of Yale University in New Haven, Conn., who was not involved in the study. Our expectations override what we actually see, Corlett added. The prevailing thinking holds that people develop delusions to predict how events in their lives will occur just as Pavlov's dog learned to predict that the sound of a bell ringing meant dinnertime was imminent. Humans update their beliefs when what they predict doesn't match what they actually experience, Corlett said. But delusions often appear to override the evidence of the senses. To test this idea, German and Swedish researchers conducted behavioral and neuroimaging experiments on healthy people who harbor delusions. In one experiment, volunteers were given a questionnaire designed to measure delusional beliefs. Questions included: Do you ever feel as if people are reading your mind?; Do you ever feel as if there is a conspiracy against you ?; Do you ever feel as if you are, or destined to be someone very important?; and Are you often worried that your partner may be unfaithful? The participants then performed a task that tested their visual perception: They were shown a sphere-shaped set of dots rotating in an ambiguous direction, and asked to report which direction it was rotating at various intervals. People who harbored a greater number of delusional beliefs (those who scored higher on the questionnaire) saw the dots appear to change direction more often than the average person. The result confirms findings from previous studies that delusional individuals have less stable perceptions of the world. In a second experiment, the volunteers were given glasses, which they were told would bias their view so that the rotating dots would appear to go in one direction more often than the other direction a delusion, because these were actually ordinary glasses. The volunteers performed a similar dot-watching task, with a learning phase and a test phase. During the learning phase, the dots clearly rotated in one direction, but during the test phase, the direction was ambiguous. While wearing the glasses, the volunteers reported seeing the dots rotate in the biased direction, even during the test phase. They clung to the delusion that the glasses altered their vision, even though the visual evidence contradicted this idea, suggesting they used their delusional beliefs to interpret what they were seeing. A third experiment was similar to the second, but brain scans were taken using functional magnetic resonance imaging. The scans showed that when people were deluded about the direction of the dots' rotation, their brains were encoding the delusion as if they had really seen the dots move that way. In other words, people weren't just ignoring what they saw; they were really seeing something else. Furthermore, the brain scans revealed connections between a brain area involved in beliefs, the orbitofrontal cortex, and an area involved in visual processing, the visual cortex. (Both became active during the delusional observations.) Corlett finds the results exciting. The study gives us a nice explanation for the relation between belief and perception and how it might go awry, he said. But he cautioned that drawing inferences about people who are clinically delusional, such as those with schizophrenia on-distortion.html , may be premature. Time will tell whether the same brain mechanisms are at play for these patients, he said. http://www.livescience.com/39038-how-delusions-shape-perception.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: Important Notice: Judy has only ten toes. Rory, you get five and Iranatea gets five. Now don't fight boys. :-D You forgot that I'm already the fluffer of Barry. It's a complicated act :-D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vhqi6ysY_HQ
[FairfieldLife] Re: How the deluded see the world....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: cf. http://tinyurl.com/lah5w7c http://tinyurl.com/lah5w7c :-) We still need a customers review for this one. Anyone? Yes, I think one of the more articulate amongst us should raise the Robster's profile with a few kind words. But I think he's going to have quite a wait for an actual credible review given what he's asking for his work. $149 is a guaranteed way to keep yourself off the bestseller's list. One of them anyway...
[FairfieldLife] Callas's vocal decline!
Wikifoodia: She turned herself from a heavy woman into a svelte and glamorous one after a mid-career weight loss, which might have contributed to her vocal decline and the premature end of her career. The press exulted in publicizing Callas's allegedly temperamental behaviour, her supposed rivalry with Renata Tebaldi and her love affair with Aristotle Onassis. Her dramatic life and personal tragedy have often overshadowed Callas the artist in the popular press. However, her artistic achievements were such that Leonard Bernstein called her the Bible of opera;[2] and her influence was so enduring that, in 2006, Opera News wrote of her: Nearly thirty years after her death, she's still the definition of the diva as artistand still one of classical music's best-selling vocalists.[3]
[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: I think you may have actually been *jealous* of my admiration of Robin. You thought I should be admiring *you*. Remember all your love-bombing? So you figured you needed to tear him down to correct my opinion of him. Oh, you really believe this? In English, I think and you may have are not expressions of certainty, as in really believe. my god, Judy, you gave me the laugh of the day. You really descend into the rabbit hole, don't you? Any more similar insights? I am starting to enjoy it. Well, I'll share with you what gave me the idea: Judy, your post was brilliant, and I never had a doubt that your intellect is among the sharpest here.--zarzari, #298524 Judy, already there was so much praise about this post of yours, and I agree with that! that I hardly dare to answer you.--zarzari, #298541 Just imagine, you got a new lover, with whom you are deeply in romantic love, and after three years you notice, that he is utterly stupid, and you can't even talk to him, because he wouldn't even understand. What a shame for somebody with your brilliant intellect.--zarzari, #298541 This is a very clear and beautiful explanation here Judy. --zarzari, #299795 Judy, I just went through the posts you linked there. Your interpretation is more than funny, so I can't imagine, you even thought it could be true, or deemed it likely to make a big point out of it. But it's all there, right there in all those posts you are linking to, only, you didn't re-read it, you just took the 'introductory compliments', and cut the rest, the elaboration. This introductory compliment signaled an agreement to a point, but in the post I would differentiate, and make it clear what I really thought. You know, it's maybe a TM teacher thing, saying to the audience: 'Yes this is a very good question.' and then say, what you really have to say. In this case, re-read #299795 The following post, your answer was post http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/299805 which basically contained, what finally set me off! Can't believe when you read it? Yes, it is there. It's all about 'first person ontology', Robin's 'omni-subjectivity' of God, while at the same time denying Unity Consciousness, as a state that has - forgot the exact formulation, but is not founded in reality (obviously HIS reality). There's a whole line up to, what I have called your over reverential tone. Sentences like: I'm flying blind here; Robin's going to have to bail us out. to which I had answered: I actually feel more comfortable with your explanations, they are more clear to my mind. To which you answered: Could be they're clear because they're not accurate... And: You and I are totally immersed in third-person ontology in this discussion, BTW, trying to figure out what it's like to be Robin. That's were I lost patience, and turned tables. What I had thought about his de-enlightenment, his Unity not being founded in Reality, his use of words like 'first person ontology' I had clarified before. Here I was talking to Judy, not to Robin, who could make intellectual sense, and then all you refer to was Robin, what he says, I think he was off-board and you were kind of calling him. You know, I didn't want to talk to a zombie. But I'm not in love with grannies. :D That last quote is from right before your exchange with Barry about Robin's mental health. IOW, up until I became angry with you over that, you were practically sucking my toes. I thought all that extreme flattery was pretty amusing at the time. And when I came across it again as I was looking for something else relevant to this current discussion, it was a huge LOL. Back then I hadn't connected it with your attacks on Robin, but it sure does fit, given what you've told me this time around about the ways you've gone after him--including in the Great Misattribution Upset--because I got angry with you over a year and a half ago. I knew you'd deny it, and I'm sure you'll find a way to somehow dismiss the evidence. But you did say all that. And after I told you off in email, you've done nothing but find reasons to attack me. So everyone reading this can make up their own minds as to your motivations.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Elmore Leonard's 10 rules of writing
Ahaha sacré bleu that were hiLARious(pronounce: hill LAAAR ee us ) reading moments! Sure, deck your limbs in pants; Yours are the limbs, my sweeting. You look divine as you advance, HiLARious when retreating. --Ogden Nash, with some modification of his droll verse with its unconventional rhymes.Ogden Nash wrote those lines in the 1930s, when people still looked with a more attachment to beauty looked up every time an airplane flew over, and a woman by who wore pants was either an actress or an athlete. Nash could hardly have foreseen the day when, at high noon, two out of every five women passing TurquoisB French Cafe mosaic table would be dressed in trousers. The fact that women's pants are...and want to sit on TurquoisB lap... But sacré bleu prepare yourself to set into a rekindling of a very very American great satire with this very sick man, in the very best sense of that word -Christ Moore.The very blender of surreal, occult, and even science-fiction, lampooner of Shakespeare, San Francisco vampires, marine biologists, Death even Jesus Christ and Santa Claus!-who cares-with franchise-like-franc-free repeating characters and setting Very...what?mmmh privilege? http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=franchiseallowed_in_frame=0 http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=franchiseallowed_in_frame=0 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franchising#cite_note-1 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franchising http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franchising#cite_note-1 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franchising#cite_note-1 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba wrote: Ah, another day in paradise. My hand creeps upon my near shaven jaw this morning. All of my admirers and (haters), make myself laugh in stitches I do. Laugh (Haha), I look in the mirror this morning, feels like a Henley day in May, even with it being close to the end of summer, probably closer to autumn depending on the logistics of my daily routine in this south of France, silkroad habitat. Darn caterpillar's dropping on my tent and the weave of my comb over. Yawn,and stretch is what I feel this afternoon clutching my keyboard looking at a quiet start of a day on FFL in the country I once called home. But not anymore. I live in a place where free sex reigns as the most modern of degree. Who would have thought, the most sophisticated culture in the world, also known as the, Old World, would be right in tune with the ways things are supposed to be, the real reason I left my home and love to collect on its thriving SS check, for which I worked hard to earn to use it as I choose. Ah, the Old world http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-23777246 as I sip desire the Darjeeling French style, about to be set on my mosaic table, here at the outside cafe, pigeon fluff flows over me as the pink Vespa glides by seeming to kick those sill birds out of way of my view of the most beautiful French woman who handles the bars better than Clint Eastwood in a Western. Oh, my non attachment to the beauty as she and she and she passes by. They notice me, as my distinguished face is noticeable, my reflection on a window does not need any second check, for I have my web cam open as a back program running just behind my most glorious typing to you all on FFL. How I love to write on FFL for all to see, but I do find it a bit annoying to read many of the posts here, because there are people who love to carry negative messages about people they do not even know and lord knows if they misspell in these days of spell check and online thesaurus avail, not worth my time to read such imbeciles. http://www.france24.com/en/20130820-french-animators-universal-despicabl\ \ e-me-2-profits le-me-2-profits If only this keeps up, my worth for the trade may help me become the likes, like moving from Mountain View to Palo Alto, but it is all the same here, so no worries. C'est la vie BON APPETIT *Lawd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: 11. Violate any of these rules if you're a good enough -- or funny enough -- writer to get away with it. I mention this rule because I've finally got the time to finish reading Christopher Moore's Sacre Bleu and my sides ache from laughing. If some editor who'd never written a publishable word in his or her life but who considered himself/herself an expert anyway had convinced him to kill his darlings, the book would be one-third the length it is, and one-twentieth as funny. Chris definitely knows the truth of If you're not having fun [writing], you're doing it wrong. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 wrote: Elmore Leonard's rules for writers Next month, the doyen of hardboiled crime writers is publishing a new book, 10 Rules of Writing. The following is a brief summary of his advice 1 Never open a book with weather. If it's only to create atmosphere, and not a character's reaction to the weather,
[FairfieldLife] Re: How the deluded see the world....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: cf. http://tinyurl.com/lah5w7c http://tinyurl.com/lah5w7c :-) We still need a customers review for this one. Anyone? Yes, I think one of the more articulate amongst us should raise the Robster's profile with a few kind words. But I think he's going to have quite a wait for an actual credible review given what he's asking for his work. $149 is a guaranteed way to keep yourself off the bestseller's list. One of them anyway... Well, there are 9 used copies from 16$ and Pb even from 7.77$. I guess they aren't too much used... It may be popular in clerical circles in Iran.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Hebrew vs. Sanskrit?
card, why are you ROFLOL?! I think it's a valid point about Sanskrit, don't know enough about Hebrew. From: card cardemais...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 2:51 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Hebrew vs. Sanskrit? IMHO, Hebrew might be primarily a bhakti language, whereas Sanskrit rather a jñaana (gyaana) language?? ROFLOL!
Re: [FairfieldLife] A terrible beauty is born
Probably good to also include articles and or pictures which depict the terrible horror http://www.atomcentral.com/hiroshima-nagasaki.aspx From: Seraphita s3raph...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 10:05 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] A terrible beauty is born The Partial Test Ban Treaty of 1963 was approved because of concerns about radioactive fallout as a result of nuclear weapons testing in the atmosphere. I remember reading someone - I forget who - who suggested that every ten years or so the representatives of the world's nations at the UN should all be taken to witness for themselves an air-burst nuclear explosion. The idea was that the experience would be so scary that it would concentrate minds on the necessity of limiting the spread of nuclear weapons. I always thought he had a point. Yes, it's true that an H-bomb exploded above ground would cause enough of an increase in background radiation that a handful of people across the world would develop cancer and die who otherwise wouldn't have, but you have to set that against the inevitability that one day a rogue state or terrorist group will explode an atom bomb in a city somewhere causing untold suffering. And there are plenty of experts who argue that such an eventuality really is a near certainty. Because these explosions always had a terrible beauty (Yeats's phrase) about them I always envied those who were able to witness the American test explosions in the Pacific. If those experts are right perhaps one day I'll get to witness such a blast too close for comfort. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5_9Gi7w19Y
[FairfieldLife] Re: How the deluded see the world....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: cf. http://tinyurl.com/lah5w7c http://tinyurl.com/lah5w7c Oh, this is relevant, a book Robin wrote in 1982 when he was, *by his own admission*, delusional. Gosh, Barry, you sure are sharp as a tack. I guess that's what obsession does to a person: all the senses, all the mental faculties, are constantly on the alert for any scrap of anything that one can turn to one's use against the target of one's obsession, even at the risk of highlighting how tenaciously and irrationally that obsession has one in its grip. :-) belly laugh I think I may have said something quite recently about Barry's obsession with Robin, so I'm grateful to him for thoughtfully demonstrating the accuracy of my observations (see #354429). --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 wrote: Delusional People See the World Through Their Mind's Eye A mechanism for how the brain creates and maintains delusions is revealed in a new study.
[FairfieldLife] Re: How the deluded see the world....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: cf. http://tinyurl.com/lah5w7c http://tinyurl.com/lah5w7c :-) We still need a customers review for this one. Anyone? We already have yours, iranitea, from back in June 2012, remember? See the link below to #312139. In the meantime, here's the beginning of Robin's own review: I couldn't help but feel embarrassed and concerned when I saw this excerpt from one of my books (strongly discountenanced by the way: I don't like any of them: they should all be burned!) posted at FFL. And I would like to say a few thingsnot in my defense, but in explanation for how it could come to be that I would write so enthusiastically and uncritically about someone like Ayatollah Khomeini. Read more: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/312097 For newbies: iranitea decided back in June 2012 to dig up and post a long excerpt from this book, written over 30 years ago by Robin when he was in the throes of his delusionary period, with the intention of embarrassing Robin, who had not been on FFL since January, and of embarrassing me for having mentioned that he, iranitea, had been carrying a grudge against me simce that time. (This intention was by iranitea's own admission.) Robin, fortunately, had been lurking and showed up to explain the context of the excerpt iranitea had posted, because when iranitea posted it, he strongly implied that it was representative of Robin's current thinking (which, of course, it was not). In a post explaining his motives to Robin, iranitea then told a whole string of lies, which I called him on in this post: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/312164 Iranitea's own post in full is extraordinarily revealing of his prejudice toward and hatred of Robin: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/312139 I'll quote briefly from my own post to iranitea, because everything I said in this paragraph still holds: Yours is a malicious, extraordinarily unfeeling, and ignorant approach, iranitea. And your motivation--to 'get' me by portraying Robin as nuts when he isn't around to defend himself--is bottom of the barrel, indecent, inexcusable. Robin handled iranitea's underhanded attack with dignity and integrity. And as it turned out, he was heartily welcomed back to FFL by his various fans. All iranitea accomplished with his little stunt was to expose the darkness of his own character. I'm *very* grateful to Barry for reminding us of this extremely unpleasant episode in iranitea's anti-Judy, anti-Robin jihad. Like Barry, iranitea is an exceedingly unhappy person who deals with his misery by taking it out on others. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 wrote: Delusional People See the World Through Their Mind's Eye A mechanism for how the brain creates and maintains delusions is revealed in a new study. Having delusions, such as a belief in telekinesis, can influence how people see the world - literally. Human beliefs ic.html are shaped by perception, but the new research suggests delusions unfounded but tightly held beliefs can turn the tables and actually shape perception. People who are prone to forming delusions may not correctly distinguish among different sensory inputs, and may rely on these delusions to help make sense of the world, the study finds. Typical delusions include paranoid ideas or inflated ideas about oneself. Beliefs form in order to minimize our surprise about the world, said neuroscientist Phil Corlett of Yale University in New Haven, Conn., who was not involved in the study. Our expectations override what we actually see, Corlett added. The prevailing thinking holds that people develop delusions to predict how events in their lives will occur just as Pavlov's dog learned to predict that the sound of a bell ringing meant dinnertime was imminent. Humans update their beliefs when what they predict doesn't match what they actually experience, Corlett said. But delusions often appear to override the evidence of the senses. To test this idea, German and Swedish researchers conducted behavioral and neuroimaging experiments on healthy people who harbor delusions. In one experiment, volunteers were given a questionnaire designed to measure delusional beliefs. Questions included: Do you ever feel as if people are reading your mind?; Do you ever feel as if there is a conspiracy against you ?; Do you ever feel as if you are, or destined to be someone very important?; and Are you often worried that your partner may be unfaithful? The participants then performed a task that tested their visual perception: They were shown a sphere-shaped set of dots rotating in an ambiguous direction, and asked to report which direction it was
[FairfieldLife] Re: How the deluded see the world....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: cf. http://tinyurl.com/lah5w7c http://tinyurl.com/lah5w7c :-) We still need a customers review for this one. Anyone? Yes, I think one of the more articulate amongst us should raise the Robster's profile with a few kind words. But I think he's going to have quite a wait for an actual credible review given what he's asking for his work. $149 is a guaranteed way to keep yourself off the bestseller's list. One of them anyway... I suspect salyavin is just kidding here, but in case he's genuinely ignorant of the facts: $149 is not, of course, what Robin is asking for his work. The book is long out of print; $149 is what the seller Anybook (of used, rare, and out-of-print books) wants for a copy. The prices most sellers of used/rare/OOP books specify on Amazon are not set according to actual demand; they're set by computer algorithms used by the sellers and can rise to ridiculous heights as the algorithms compete with each other, like an auction gone out of control. The sellers don't monitor the prices the algorithms come up with to adjust them to a rational level; it's not worth their time, apparently.
[FairfieldLife] Re: How the deluded see the world....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: cf. http://tinyurl.com/lah5w7c http://tinyurl.com/lah5w7c It's okay Barry, are you seeing dots in the form of Robin in every post you read now? Go back to the garden, find that recliner, close your eyes and just imagine iranitea sucking Judy's toes - it will make you feel SO much better than thinking about Robin. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 wrote: Delusional People See the World Through Their Mind's Eye A mechanism for how the brain creates and maintains delusions is revealed in a new study. Having delusions, such as a belief in telekinesis, can influence how people see the world - literally. Human beliefs ic.html are shaped by perception, but the new research suggests delusions unfounded but tightly held beliefs can turn the tables and actually shape perception. People who are prone to forming delusions may not correctly distinguish among different sensory inputs, and may rely on these delusions to help make sense of the world, the study finds. Typical delusions include paranoid ideas or inflated ideas about oneself. Beliefs form in order to minimize our surprise about the world, said neuroscientist Phil Corlett of Yale University in New Haven, Conn., who was not involved in the study. Our expectations override what we actually see, Corlett added. The prevailing thinking holds that people develop delusions to predict how events in their lives will occur just as Pavlov's dog learned to predict that the sound of a bell ringing meant dinnertime was imminent. Humans update their beliefs when what they predict doesn't match what they actually experience, Corlett said. But delusions often appear to override the evidence of the senses. To test this idea, German and Swedish researchers conducted behavioral and neuroimaging experiments on healthy people who harbor delusions. In one experiment, volunteers were given a questionnaire designed to measure delusional beliefs. Questions included: Do you ever feel as if people are reading your mind?; Do you ever feel as if there is a conspiracy against you ?; Do you ever feel as if you are, or destined to be someone very important?; and Are you often worried that your partner may be unfaithful? The participants then performed a task that tested their visual perception: They were shown a sphere-shaped set of dots rotating in an ambiguous direction, and asked to report which direction it was rotating at various intervals. People who harbored a greater number of delusional beliefs (those who scored higher on the questionnaire) saw the dots appear to change direction more often than the average person. The result confirms findings from previous studies that delusional individuals have less stable perceptions of the world. In a second experiment, the volunteers were given glasses, which they were told would bias their view so that the rotating dots would appear to go in one direction more often than the other direction a delusion, because these were actually ordinary glasses. The volunteers performed a similar dot-watching task, with a learning phase and a test phase. During the learning phase, the dots clearly rotated in one direction, but during the test phase, the direction was ambiguous. While wearing the glasses, the volunteers reported seeing the dots rotate in the biased direction, even during the test phase. They clung to the delusion that the glasses altered their vision, even though the visual evidence contradicted this idea, suggesting they used their delusional beliefs to interpret what they were seeing. A third experiment was similar to the second, but brain scans were taken using functional magnetic resonance imaging. The scans showed that when people were deluded about the direction of the dots' rotation, their brains were encoding the delusion as if they had really seen the dots move that way. In other words, people weren't just ignoring what they saw; they were really seeing something else. Furthermore, the brain scans revealed connections between a brain area involved in beliefs, the orbitofrontal cortex, and an area involved in visual processing, the visual cortex. (Both became active during the delusional observations.) Corlett finds the results exciting. The study gives us a nice explanation for the relation between belief and perception and how it might go awry, he said. But he cautioned that drawing inferences about people who are clinically delusional, such as those with schizophrenia on-distortion.html , may be premature. Time will tell whether the same brain mechanisms are at play for these patients, he said. http://www.livescience.com/39038-how-delusions-shape-perception.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: How the deluded see the world....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: cf. http://tinyurl.com/lah5w7c http://tinyurl.com/lah5w7c :-) We still need a customers review for this one. Anyone? Yes, I think one of the more articulate amongst us should raise the Robster's profile with a few kind words. How 'bout if someone posts the following quotes as a review? It would be a little unfair, because the person doing the reviewing doesn't think much of the works by this particular author (I don't like any of them: they should all be burned!), but he does have a view that seems to be remarkably in accord with the research you posted earlier. That is, that the author's *beliefs* and *conditioning* at the time caused him to see things that weren't really there. In other words, that belief drove his perception rather than vice-versa. ...when I wrote the passage [from this book] which was posted on FFL I was steeped in this Hindu reality. Transcendental Meditationand everything Maharishi added to thatcreated my enlightenment. Shi'a Islam, as practised by Khomeini, evidently produced his enlightenment, making it seem as it he was the Hidden Imam [what is the equivalent for Shi'a Muslims of the Second Coming], and the exemplar of someone who perpetually did the will of Allah [Maharishi in *The Science of Being and The Art of Living* speaks of the enlightened person as doing the will of Godwhat I would say was the will of the Impersonal God: the same with myselfnot, then, the Personal God]. But on that day in March of 1982 I was experiencing the verification of my enlightenment, because here was a human being exhibiting all the characteristics of enlightenment albeit inside a context which took a different outward form than my own enlightenment: Khomeini's being Shi'a Islam; mine being Hindu (with a Western dramatic theme of 'individuation' thrown in). Now were I to see Khomeini in my present state of consciousnessnormal, waking state consciousnesson that same day (March 1982), I would have perceived a human being who was fanatical, deceived, mystical, and ultimately dislocated from realityjust as I had been during the ten years in which I acted out my enlightenment. But from what I could innocently experience (and if you read the entire account from which this excerpt is taken you will realize, if you are a TM initiator from the late sixties and seventies, I am describing a phenomenon which is familiar to those of us who surrendered ourselves to what we thought was the Perfect Master, someone who was the embodiment of The Absolute) Khomeini was in the identical state of consciousness that I was. Just on a grander scale. Shi'a Islam had elevated him into a higher state of consciousness just as TM plus had done the same thing for me. ...I am sane nowat least I think I am, Barry,but the person who wrote that account of Ayatollah Khomeini, he wasalthough not subject to the critical consciousness of anyone I met such as to challenge my metaphysical integritymystically deceived, and living inside a context of reality which was created by intelligences and forces beyond his own control and understanding. Uh-huh. Delusional then, when thinking that the Ayatollah Khomeini was in Unity Consciousness (just like him) but so NOT delusional now, when trying to blame all of this on intelligences and forces beyond his own control and understanding.
[FairfieldLife] Re: How the deluded see the world....
This article/research is not exactly a surprise, and not even new. There have been similar studies in the past that proved that when it comes to the question of Which comes first, perception or belief?, the answer is pretty much *always* Belief. That is why I was uncomfortable with an exchange here earlier this month, in which people were throwing around the word charlatan to describe someone (I honestly don't remember who at this point), and seemingly expecting me to pile on. I can't do that, even with Maharishi or Fred Lenz - Rama. I don't consider either of them charlatans in the sense that most people use that word, because it describes someone who knowingly deceives others, and doesn't believe the things he is saying. I think both of them believed pretty much every word that they said. I think they believed it so strongly, in fact, that these beliefs caused them to delude themselves into seeing and feeling things that supported those beliefs. Their beliefs *programmed* their own brains into seeing things that weren't there, and that had no relationship to reality as most people perceive it. MJ has a harsher view of MMY, and seems to favor the idea that MMY was indeed a charlatan, telling people things that he didn't believe or that he knew weren't true, just for the money, or for the ego-strokes, or for the attention, or just because. I don't. I think that he spent so much time in trance states that he believed were higher or more real than other people's perceptions that he could pop himself into one of them pretty much any time he wanted, and thus program his senses into seeing things that *agreed* with his beliefs, even if those things weren't really there. The classic example is the one-liner that even TBs laugh at, because (except for a vocal and even more delusional few on this forum who never spent *any* time around Maharishi) they've all seen it, too. How many have had this experience? [Three hands go up in a room full of hundreds of people] See? Almost everyone. IMO he really DID see a room full of waving hands, because he believed that was what should have happened. Therefore, for him, it really *did* happen. But it didn't. Understanding this mechanism of belief driving perception (and NOT vice-versa) is in my experience key to developing a more compassionate and balanced view of the world of holy men and shysters who proliferate on this backwards planet. My bet is that even the worst of them -- like Satya Sai Baba -- *believed* that he was manifesting the vibhuti powder he had so carefully palmed and hidden under a tray before his cheap parlor magic acts. You can actually *see* him doing this in videos on YouTube. But just as his TB followers watch those videos and fail to see the obvious palming, preferring their belief in him as a god man to reality, my bet is that he found a way to delude *himself*, even as he was palming the objects. The important thing for him was the belief that he *was* magical; therefore he was. I suspect that his belief in himself as special and magical was so strong that he even found a way to believe that about himself when he was molesting his followers' young children. Part of the secret of developing compassion for such deluded individuals, again in my experience, is developing a similar compassion for *oneself*. I can do that easily, because I've been there, done that. I've listened to Maharishi talk utter nonsense myself, but was such a TB at the time that I not only believed it, I talked my brain into seeing the nonsense the same way he did. I just got over it. Many here on FFL never have. They have, for example, convinced themselves that the *minor* altered states of consciousness they experienced as a result of TM or the TM-sidhis were *major* shifts of consciousness. And why? Because they were TOLD that they were, and they preferred to *believe* that rather than deal with the possibility that these were just simple brain farts that had no inherent meaning at all, or that they were very common experiences that happen to many people who don't meditate at all (such as witnessing during either sleep or waking). I think it's more sane, and balanced, to approach one's experiences in life with an underlying sense of distrust, rather than trust. SURE, you experienced such-and-such, but 1) did you *really* experience it or did you just program your brain to make it think you had, and 2) does having experienced it mean what you were TOLD it means, or do you just prefer to believe that because it makes you feel more special? I suspect that some here will react badly to the article and research that Salyavin posted this morning, and will fly into defensive mode, trying desperately to find some way to poke holes in the research or its methodology or even the motivation behind it. To them, the idea that belief drives perception (as opposed to its opposite) is *challenging*, almost an affront. After all, many of them probably still believe that their
[FairfieldLife] Re: How the deluded see the world....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: cf. http://tinyurl.com/lah5w7c :-) We still need a customers review for this one. Anyone? Yes, I think one of the more articulate amongst us should raise the Robster's profile with a few kind words. How 'bout if someone posts the following quotes as a review? It would be a little unfair, because the person doing the reviewing doesn't think much of the works by this particular author (I don't like any of them: they should all be burned!), but he does have a view that seems to be remarkably in accord with the research you posted earlier. That is, that the author's *beliefs* and *conditioning* at the time caused him to see things that weren't really there. In other words, that belief drove his perception rather than vice-versa. ...when I wrote the passage [from this book] which was posted on FFL I was steeped in this Hindu reality. Transcendental Meditationand everything Maharishi added to thatcreated my enlightenment. Shi'a Islam, as practised by Khomeini, evidently produced his enlightenment, making it seem as it he was the Hidden Imam [what is the equivalent for Shi'a Muslims of the Second Coming], and the exemplar of someone who perpetually did the will of Allah [Maharishi in *The Science of Being and The Art of Living* speaks of the enlightened person as doing the will of Godwhat I would say was the will of the Impersonal God: the same with myselfnot, then, the Personal God]. But on that day in March of 1982 I was experiencing the verification of my enlightenment, because here was a human being exhibiting all the characteristics of enlightenment albeit inside a context which took a different outward form than my own enlightenment: Khomeini's being Shi'a Islam; mine being Hindu (with a Western dramatic theme of 'individuation' thrown in). Now were I to see Khomeini in my present state of consciousnessnormal, waking state consciousnesson that same day (March 1982), I would have perceived a human being who was fanatical, deceived, mystical, and ultimately dislocated from realityjust as I had been during the ten years in which I acted out my enlightenment. But from what I could innocently experience (and if you read the entire account from which this excerpt is taken you will realize, if you are a TM initiator from the late sixties and seventies, I am describing a phenomenon which is familiar to those of us who surrendered ourselves to what we thought was the Perfect Master, someone who was the embodiment of The Absolute) Khomeini was in the identical state of consciousness that I was. Just on a grander scale. Shi'a Islam had elevated him into a higher state of consciousness just as TM plus had done the same thing for me. ...I am sane nowat least I think I am, Barry,but the person who wrote that account of Ayatollah Khomeini, he wasalthough not subject to the critical consciousness of anyone I met such as to challenge my metaphysical integritymystically deceived, and living inside a context of reality which was created by intelligences and forces beyond his own control and understanding. Uh-huh. Delusional then, when thinking that the Ayatollah Khomeini was in Unity Consciousness (just like him) but so NOT delusional now, when trying to blame all of this on intelligences and forces beyond his own control and understanding. Really, really, it's okay. They are just DOTS, they can't hurt you and they are revolving in a clock wise direction no matter what your brain is telling you. Take off the glasses, you will see this more clearly then. Now, deep breaths, close the eyes and if you still see these pesky round specks know that they only exist in your imagination. Open the eyes. Better? This will pass Barry, but you have to remain calm and don't upset yourself and for God's sake DON'T TRY AND CONNECT THE DOTS.
[FairfieldLife] Re: How the deluded see the world....
Ironic that the neuroscientists are completely unfamiliar with their conscious minds *not* being in a constant state of thought. White rats, chasing other white rats. A few moments of their own mental peace might turn their attention away from always studying undeveloped minds. It as if science can do no better than to validate an immature state of the mind, because the limited awareness of the scientists, cannot see any further. What a total waste of time. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: Delusional People See the World Through Their Mind's Eye A mechanism for how the brain creates and maintains delusions is revealed in a new study. Having delusions, such as a belief in telekinesis, can influence how people see the world - literally. Human beliefs http://www.livescience.com/16748-americans-beliefs-paranormal-infograph\ ic.html are shaped by perception, but the new research suggests delusions unfounded but tightly held beliefs can turn the tables and actually shape perception. People who are prone to forming delusions may not correctly distinguish among different sensory inputs, and may rely on these delusions to help make sense of the world, the study finds. Typical delusions include paranoid ideas or inflated ideas about oneself. Beliefs form in order to minimize our surprise about the world, said neuroscientist Phil Corlett of Yale University in New Haven, Conn., who was not involved in the study. Our expectations override what we actually see, Corlett added. The prevailing thinking holds that people develop delusions http://www.livescience.com/5508-people-unsure-beliefs-close-minded.html\ to predict how events in their lives will occur just as Pavlov's dog learned to predict that the sound of a bell ringing meant dinnertime was imminent. Humans update their beliefs when what they predict doesn't match what they actually experience, Corlett said. But delusions often appear to override the evidence of the senses. To test this idea, German and Swedish researchers conducted behavioral and neuroimaging experiments on healthy people who harbor delusions. In one experiment, volunteers were given a questionnaire designed to measure delusional beliefs. Questions included: Do you ever feel as if people are reading your mind?; Do you ever feel as if there is a conspiracy against you http://www.livescience.com/11375-top-ten-conspiracy-theories.html ?; Do you ever feel as if you are, or destined to be someone very important?; and Are you often worried that your partner may be unfaithful? The participants then performed a task that tested their visual perception: They were shown a sphere-shaped set of dots rotating in an ambiguous direction, and asked to report which direction it was rotating at various intervals. People who harbored a greater number of delusional beliefs (those who scored higher on the questionnaire) saw the dots appear to change direction more often than the average person. The result confirms findings from previous studies that delusional individuals have less stable perceptions of the world. In a second experiment, the volunteers were given glasses, which they were told would bias their view so that the rotating dots would appear to go in one direction http://www.livescience.com/14093-optical-illusions-gallery.html more often than the other direction a delusion, because these were actually ordinary glasses. The volunteers performed a similar dot-watching task, with a learning phase and a test phase. During the learning phase, the dots clearly rotated in one direction, but during the test phase, the direction was ambiguous. While wearing the glasses, the volunteers reported seeing the dots rotate in the biased direction, even during the test phase. They clung to the delusion that the glasses altered their vision, even though the visual evidence contradicted this idea, suggesting they used their delusional beliefs to interpret what they were seeing. A third experiment was similar to the second, but brain scans were taken using functional magnetic resonance imaging. The scans showed that when people were deluded about the direction of the dots' rotation, their brains were encoding the delusion as if they had really seen the dots move that way. In other words, people weren't just ignoring what they saw; they were really seeing something else. Furthermore, the brain scans revealed connections between a brain area involved in beliefs, the orbitofrontal cortex, and an area involved in visual processing, the visual cortex. (Both became active during the delusional observations.) Corlett finds the results exciting. The study gives us a nice explanation for the relation between belief and perception and how it might go awry, he said. But he cautioned that drawing inferences about people who are clinically delusional, such as
[FairfieldLife] Re: How the deluded see the world....
Hey Big V, what happened to all that solitude on your vacation? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: This article/research is not exactly a surprise, and not even new. There have been similar studies in the past that proved that when it comes to the question of Which comes first, perception or belief?, the answer is pretty much *always* Belief. That is why I was uncomfortable with an exchange here earlier this month, in which people were throwing around the word charlatan to describe someone (I honestly don't remember who at this point), and seemingly expecting me to pile on. I can't do that, even with Maharishi or Fred Lenz - Rama. I don't consider either of them charlatans in the sense that most people use that word, because it describes someone who knowingly deceives others, and doesn't believe the things he is saying. I think both of them believed pretty much every word that they said. I think they believed it so strongly, in fact, that these beliefs caused them to delude themselves into seeing and feeling things that supported those beliefs. Their beliefs *programmed* their own brains into seeing things that weren't there, and that had no relationship to reality as most people perceive it. MJ has a harsher view of MMY, and seems to favor the idea that MMY was indeed a charlatan, telling people things that he didn't believe or that he knew weren't true, just for the money, or for the ego-strokes, or for the attention, or just because. I don't. I think that he spent so much time in trance states that he believed were higher or more real than other people's perceptions that he could pop himself into one of them pretty much any time he wanted, and thus program his senses into seeing things that *agreed* with his beliefs, even if those things weren't really there. The classic example is the one-liner that even TBs laugh at, because (except for a vocal and even more delusional few on this forum who never spent *any* time around Maharishi) they've all seen it, too. How many have had this experience? [Three hands go up in a room full of hundreds of people] See? Almost everyone. IMO he really DID see a room full of waving hands, because he believed that was what should have happened. Therefore, for him, it really *did* happen. But it didn't. Understanding this mechanism of belief driving perception (and NOT vice-versa) is in my experience key to developing a more compassionate and balanced view of the world of holy men and shysters who proliferate on this backwards planet. My bet is that even the worst of them -- like Satya Sai Baba -- *believed* that he was manifesting the vibhuti powder he had so carefully palmed and hidden under a tray before his cheap parlor magic acts. You can actually *see* him doing this in videos on YouTube. But just as his TB followers watch those videos and fail to see the obvious palming, preferring their belief in him as a god man to reality, my bet is that he found a way to delude *himself*, even as he was palming the objects. The important thing for him was the belief that he *was* magical; therefore he was. I suspect that his belief in himself as special and magical was so strong that he even found a way to believe that about himself when he was molesting his followers' young children. Part of the secret of developing compassion for such deluded individuals, again in my experience, is developing a similar compassion for *oneself*. I can do that easily, because I've been there, done that. I've listened to Maharishi talk utter nonsense myself, but was such a TB at the time that I not only believed it, I talked my brain into seeing the nonsense the same way he did. I just got over it. Many here on FFL never have. They have, for example, convinced themselves that the *minor* altered states of consciousness they experienced as a result of TM or the TM-sidhis were *major* shifts of consciousness. And why? Because they were TOLD that they were, and they preferred to *believe* that rather than deal with the possibility that these were just simple brain farts that had no inherent meaning at all, or that they were very common experiences that happen to many people who don't meditate at all (such as witnessing during either sleep or waking). I think it's more sane, and balanced, to approach one's experiences in life with an underlying sense of distrust, rather than trust. SURE, you experienced such-and-such, but 1) did you *really* experience it or did you just program your brain to make it think you had, and 2) does having experienced it mean what you were TOLD it means, or do you just prefer to believe that because it makes you feel more special? I suspect that some here will react badly to the article and research that Salyavin posted this morning, and will fly into defensive mode, trying desperately to find some way to poke holes in the research or its
[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: I think you may have actually been *jealous* of my admiration of Robin. You thought I should be admiring *you*. Remember all your love-bombing? So you figured you needed to tear him down to correct my opinion of him. Oh, you really believe this? In English, I think and you may have are not expressions of certainty, as in really believe. my god, Judy, you gave me the laugh of the day. You really descend into the rabbit hole, don't you? Any more similar insights? I am starting to enjoy it. Well, I'll share with you what gave me the idea: Judy, your post was brilliant, and I never had a doubt that your intellect is among the sharpest here.--zarzari, #298524 Judy, already there was so much praise about this post of yours, and I agree with that! that I hardly dare to answer you.--zarzari, #298541 Just imagine, you got a new lover, with whom you are deeply in romantic love, and after three years you notice, that he is utterly stupid, and you can't even talk to him, because he wouldn't even understand. What a shame for somebody with your brilliant intellect.--zarzari, #298541 This is a very clear and beautiful explanation here Judy. --zarzari, #299795 Judy, I just went through the posts you linked there. Your interpretation is more than funny, so I can't imagine, you even thought it could be true, or deemed it likely to make a big point out of it. But it's all there, right there in all those posts you are linking to, only, you didn't re-read it, I reread all the posts in their entirety. Doesn't change my point in the slightest. you just took the 'introductory compliments', and cut the rest, the elaboration. This introductory compliment signaled an agreement to a point, but in the post I would differentiate, and make it clear what I really thought. Of course. You were trying to butter me up, suck my toes, make me more receptive to your notions. That's why I thought all that extravagant praise was so amusing at the time. It's even funnier now. You know, it's maybe a TM teacher thing, saying to the audience: 'Yes this is a very good question.' and then say, what you really have to say. You mean, being insincere? belly laugh Keep digging, iranitea. This is getting better and better. In this case, re-read #299795 The following post, your answer was post http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/299805 which basically contained, what finally set me off! Can't believe when you read it? Yes, it is there. Knowing you, it's not at all surprising. But your retrospective is, entirely inadvertently, falling-down funny. It's all about 'first person ontology', Robin's 'omni- subjectivity' of God, while at the same time denying Unity Consciousness, as a state that has - forgot the exact formulation, but is not founded in reality (obviously HIS reality). As opposed to *your* reality, you mean? There's a whole line up to, what I have called your over reverential tone. Sentences like: I'm flying blind here; Robin's going to have to bail us out. Oh, boy, you're right, that is just SO reverential! Does iranitea even know what the word reverential means? to which I had answered: I actually feel more comfortable with your explanations, they are more clear to my mind. To which you answered: Could be they're clear because they're not accurate... And: You and I are totally immersed in third-person ontology in this discussion, BTW, trying to figure out what it's like to be Robin. That's were I lost patience, and turned tables. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Jeez, that's *priceless*. Said in utter obliviousness to its absurdity. Iranitea thinks that quote is over-reverential to Robin. But I could have said what he quotes about anybody. I was using the discussion we were having to *illustrate* the concept of first- versus third- person ontology to iranitea, because he obviously didn't have a clue, and still doesn't. We could have been discussing Barry, and what I said would still have applied. What I had thought about his de-enlightenment, his Unity not being founded in Reality, his use of words like 'first person ontology' I had clarified before. Here I was talking to Judy, not to Robin, who could make intellectual sense, and then all you refer to was Robin, what he says, I think he was off-board and you were kind of calling him. Of course I was. I even said, ROBIN, HELP!! at one point. Here I was, trying to reply to Emily's question to Robin about what first-person ontology meant, after *you* had taken a shot at it and fucked it up. Robin wasn't around at the moment, and I was doing
Re: [FairfieldLife] How the deluded see the world....
Wonderful article, salyavin, thanks for posting. I'd really like to see them follow up on the third experiment, but hooking up subjects to fMRI BEFORE they are told anything about the moving dots. It would be fascinating to see when the orbitofrontal cortex and visual cortex areas became active, that is, began creating the delusion. Did something happen in these areas BEFORE they begin looking at the dots but AFTER they had been told what to expect? Also, what are the chemicals involved in delusional perception? From: salyavin808 fintlewoodle...@mail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 1:20 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] How the deluded see the world Delusional People See the World Through Their Mind's Eye A mechanism for how the brain creates and maintains delusions is revealed in a new study. Having delusions, such as a belief in telekinesis, can influence how people see the world - literally. Human beliefs are shaped by perception, but the new research suggests delusions — unfounded but tightly held beliefs — can turn the tables and actually shape perception. People who are prone to forming delusions may not correctly distinguish among different sensory inputs, and may rely on these delusions to help make sense of the world, the study finds. Typical delusions include paranoid ideas or inflated ideas about oneself. Beliefs form in order to minimize our surprise about the world, said neuroscientist Phil Corlett of Yale University in New Haven, Conn., who was not involved in the study. Our expectations override what we actually see, Corlett added. The prevailing thinking holds that people develop delusions to predict how events in their lives will occur — just as Pavlov's dog learned to predict that the sound of a bell ringing meant dinnertime was imminent. Humans update their beliefs when what they predict doesn't match what they actually experience, Corlett said. But delusions often appear to override the evidence of the senses. To test this idea, German and Swedish researchers conducted behavioral and neuroimaging experiments on healthy people who harbor delusions. In one experiment, volunteers were given a questionnaire designed to measure delusional beliefs. Questions included: Do you ever feel as if people are reading your mind?; Do you ever feel as if there is a conspiracy against you?; Do you ever feel as if you are, or destined to be someone very important?; and Are you often worried that your partner may be unfaithful? The participants then performed a task that tested their visual perception: They were shown a sphere-shaped set of dots rotating in an ambiguous direction, and asked to report which direction it was rotating at various intervals. People who harbored a greater number of delusional beliefs (those who scored higher on the questionnaire) saw the dots appear to change direction more often than the average person. The result confirms findings from previous studies that delusional individuals have less stable perceptions of the world. In a second experiment, the volunteers were given glasses, which they were told would bias their view so that the rotating dots would appear to go in one direction more often than the other direction — a delusion, because these were actually ordinary glasses. The volunteers performed a similar dot-watching task, with a learning phase and a test phase. During the learning phase, the dots clearly rotated in one direction, but during the test phase, the direction was ambiguous. While wearing the glasses, the volunteers reported seeing the dots rotate in the biased direction, even during the test phase. They clung to the delusion that the glasses altered their vision, even though the visual evidence contradicted this idea, suggesting they used their delusional beliefs to interpret what they were seeing. A third experiment was similar to the second, but brain scans were taken using functional magnetic resonance imaging. The scans showed that when people were deluded about the direction of the dots' rotation, their brains were encoding the delusion as if they had really seen the dots move that way. In other words, people weren't just ignoring what they saw; they were really seeing something else. Furthermore, the brain scans revealed connections between a brain area involved in beliefs, the orbitofrontal cortex, and an area involved in visual processing, the visual cortex. (Both became active during the delusional observations.) Corlett finds the results exciting. The study gives us a nice explanation for the relation between belief and perception and how it might go awry, he said. But he cautioned that drawing inferences about people who are clinically delusional, such as those with schizophrenia, may be premature. Time will tell whether the same brain mechanisms are at play for these patients, he said.
[FairfieldLife] Re: How the deluded see the world....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: snip Uh-huh. Delusional then, when thinking that the Ayatollah Khomeini was in Unity Consciousness (just like him) but so NOT delusional now, when trying to blame all of this on intelligences and forces beyond his own control and understanding. For the record, Robin has repeatedly blamed his own character flaws for the ability of these intelligences and forces he speaks of to influence him. Barry carefully omits to mention this. Barry, of course, does not believe there could possibly be any intelligences or forces beyond his own control and understanding. Maybe he's in Unity Consciousness himself. ;-) Barry has snipped bits and pieces from a much longer post of Robin's in his attempt to denigrate Robin, but the post in its entirety is pretty interesting. Barry fails to provide a link; here it is: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/312097
[FairfieldLife] Re: How the deluded see the world....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: snip The classic example is the one-liner that even TBs laugh at, because (except for a vocal and even more delusional few on this forum who never spent *any* time around Maharishi) they've all seen it, too. How many have had this experience? [Three hands go up in a room full of hundreds of people] See? Almost everyone. IMO he really DID see a room full of waving hands, because he believed that was what should have happened. Therefore, for him, it really *did* happen. FWIW, I saw a couple instances of this on videotape; the camera even scanned the audience, showing only a few hands. Then when Maharishi said, See? Almost everyone, the audience laughed--and so did Maharishi. IMO, he knew exactly how many hands had gone up and was making a funny.
[FairfieldLife] Jerry Seinfeld on Why He May Never Go Back to TV
I don't know why people have assumed that I'm down on Jerry Seinfeld. I don't remember having said anything negative about him, other than that his last hit was Seinfeld. And about the most negative thing I can think of to say about Seinfeld (the series, which I loved at the time) is that when I watch episodes of it these days, they're not very funny. They feel *dated*, as if the humor was present in the moment, but know that we're not in that moment, the humor isn't as present as it once was. After having read this interview, I suspect that Jerry might agree with that last statement. He comes across as *remarkably* impressive, thoughtful, and having learned a great deal about life and what makes it worth living: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/emmys-jerry-seinfeld-why-he-609111 http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/emmys-jerry-seinfeld-why-he-60911\ 1 I particularly liked what he said in response to the inevitable question about whether he'll ever go back to TV. I found it mind-boggling in its honesty, its in-your-face-ness, and in its accuracy: THR: Is there a scenario where you'd go back to TV? Seinfeld: That's what I feel like I'm doing. Except television frankly feels small compared to the world I'm in now. I'm in Australia, I'm in Norway, I'm in the U.K. And I was from day one. I'm doing the smallest possible show on the biggest possible network. This all feels like fresh air to me, and if you don't seek fresh air as an artist, I'm not quite sure what [you're doing]. Suffice it to say I'm downloading all of the episodes of Comedians In Cars as I write this. Having read his ideas on comedy, and that the best of it is created in the moment, with no notes, I am mightily looking forward to what he created.
[FairfieldLife] Re: How the deluded see the world....
--- turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: snip Uh-huh. Delusional then, when thinking that the Ayatollah Khomeini was in Unity Consciousness (just like him) but so NOT delusional now, when trying to blame all of this on intelligences and forces beyond his own control and understanding. --- authfriend authfriend@... wrote: For the record, Robin has repeatedly blamed his own character flaws for the ability of these intelligences and forces he speaks of to influence him. Barry carefully omits to mention this. You mean something like the devil or satan? Robin's statement is downright schizophrenic. Has it occured to you that it's *you* who could be in delusion about Robin's enlightenment and experiences? Barry, of course, does not believe there could possibly be any intelligences or forces beyond his own control and understanding. Maybe he's in Unity Consciousness himself. ;-) Barry has snipped bits and pieces from a much longer post of Robin's in his attempt to denigrate Robin, but the post in its entirety is pretty interesting. Barry fails to provide a link; here it is: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/312097
[FairfieldLife] Re: How the deluded see the world....
I re-read the whole piece - pretty interesting, really. Jason, did you read the link to the larger post? If you are commenting on the snips - in this case - you are missing the reality. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason jedi_spock@... wrote: --- turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: snip Uh-huh. Delusional then, when thinking that the Ayatollah Khomeini was in Unity Consciousness (just like him) but so NOT delusional now, when trying to blame all of this on intelligences and forces beyond his own control and understanding. --- authfriend authfriend@ wrote: For the record, Robin has repeatedly blamed his own character flaws for the ability of these intelligences and forces he speaks of to influence him. Barry carefully omits to mention this. You mean something like the devil or satan? Robin's statement is downright schizophrenic. Has it occured to you that it's *you* who could be in delusion about Robin's enlightenment and experiences? Barry, of course, does not believe there could possibly be any intelligences or forces beyond his own control and understanding. Maybe he's in Unity Consciousness himself. ;-) Barry has snipped bits and pieces from a much longer post of Robin's in his attempt to denigrate Robin, but the post in its entirety is pretty interesting. Barry fails to provide a link; here it is: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/312097
[FairfieldLife] Re: How the deluded see the world....
I think Voldemort is flirting with you. Seriously, he knows that you will uncover his obvious falsehoods, and it is his coy way of saying, Play with me, Judy. I can always count on attention from you - tee hee. He plants his seeds; Robin, Maharishi, TB's, etc. and then waits, slightly flustered, for you to begin tracing the breadcrumbs. His breath quickens with the hunt, and a hand almost of its own volition, slips into his pants. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: snip Uh-huh. Delusional then, when thinking that the Ayatollah Khomeini was in Unity Consciousness (just like him) but so NOT delusional now, when trying to blame all of this on intelligences and forces beyond his own control and understanding. For the record, Robin has repeatedly blamed his own character flaws for the ability of these intelligences and forces he speaks of to influence him. Barry carefully omits to mention this. Barry, of course, does not believe there could possibly be any intelligences or forces beyond his own control and understanding. Maybe he's in Unity Consciousness himself. ;-) Barry has snipped bits and pieces from a much longer post of Robin's in his attempt to denigrate Robin, but the post in its entirety is pretty interesting. Barry fails to provide a link; here it is: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/312097
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Seinfeld on Why He May Never Go Back to TV
Barry - you crack me up! Robin posted this link of Comedians in Cars - it's the one of Jerry Seinfeld and Alec Baldwin. I remembered because I do *love* coffee and I got a real contact high out of this one (smile). Here is the link for you! I enjoyed the interview - thanks for posting that. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/318149 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/318149 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: I don't know why people have assumed that I'm down on Jerry Seinfeld. I don't remember having said anything negative about him, other than that his last hit was Seinfeld. And about the most negative thing I can think of to say about Seinfeld (the series, which I loved at the time) is that when I watch episodes of it these days, they're not very funny. They feel *dated*, as if the humor was present in the moment, but know that we're not in that moment, the humor isn't as present as it once was. After having read this interview, I suspect that Jerry might agree with that last statement. He comes across as *remarkably* impressive, thoughtful, and having learned a great deal about life and what makes it worth living: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/emmys-jerry-seinfeld-why-he-609111 1 I particularly liked what he said in response to the inevitable question about whether he'll ever go back to TV. I found it mind-boggling in its honesty, its in-your-face-ness, and in its accuracy: THR: Is there a scenario where you'd go back to TV? Seinfeld: That's what I feel like I'm doing. Except television frankly feels small compared to the world I'm in now. I'm in Australia, I'm in Norway, I'm in the U.K. And I was from day one. I'm doing the smallest possible show on the biggest possible network. This all feels like fresh air to me, and if you don't seek fresh air as an artist, I'm not quite sure what [you're doing]. Suffice it to say I'm downloading all of the episodes of Comedians In Cars as I write this. Having read his ideas on comedy, and that the best of it is created in the moment, with no notes, I am mightily looking forward to what he created.
[FairfieldLife] Re: How the deluded see the world....
Delusional people make better lovers? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYck2B_0-DI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYck2B_0-DI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lo6k-fbnv0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lo6k-fbnv0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ln4hYALLCRk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ln4hYALLCRk --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason wrote: --- turquoiseb wrote: Uh-huh. Delusional then, when thinking that the Ayatollah Khomeini was in Unity Consciousness (just like him) but so NOT delusional now, when trying to blame all of this on intelligences and forces beyond his own control and understanding. --- authfriend authfriend@ wrote: For the record, Robin has repeatedly blamed his own character flaws for the ability of these intelligences and forces he speaks of to influence him. Barry carefully omits to mention this. You mean something like the devil or satan? Robin's statement is downright schizophrenic. Has it occured to you that it's *you* who could be in delusion about Robin's enlightenment and experiences? Barry, of course, does not believe there could possibly be any intelligences or forces beyond his own control and understanding. Maybe he's in Unity Consciousness himself. ;-) Barry has snipped bits and pieces from a much longer post of Robin's in his attempt to denigrate Robin, but the post in its entirety is pretty interesting. Barry fails to provide a link; here it is: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/312097
[FairfieldLife] Re: How the deluded see the world....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: This article/research is not exactly a surprise, and not even new. There have been similar studies in the past that proved that when it comes to the question of Which comes first, perception or belief?, the answer is pretty much *always* Belief. That is why I was uncomfortable with an exchange here earlier this month, in which people were throwing around the word charlatan to describe someone (I honestly don't remember who at this point), and seemingly expecting me to pile on. Actually there were two people who were discussed in those terms, first Rory, then Amma. I don't recall anyone indicating any expectations of you piling on, however. Ravi was the one who used the term charlatan in reference to Amma, but he was explicit that he was sure she herself believed in what she said and did. I can't do that, even with Maharishi or Fred Lenz - Rama. I don't consider either of them charlatans in the sense that most people use that word, because it describes someone who knowingly deceives others, and doesn't believe the things he is saying. I think both of them believed pretty much every word that they said. I think they believed it so strongly, in fact, that these beliefs caused them to delude themselves into seeing and feeling things that supported those beliefs. Their beliefs *programmed* their own brains into seeing things that weren't there, and that had no relationship to reality as most people perceive it. Might that also apply to your experiences of Lenz levitating and becoming invisible and shedding golden light, etc., etc.? MJ has a harsher view of MMY, and seems to favor the idea that MMY was indeed a charlatan, telling people things that he didn't believe or that he knew weren't true, just for the money, or for the ego-strokes, or for the attention, or just because. I don't. I think that he spent so much time in trance states that he believed were higher or more real than other people's perceptions that he could pop himself into one of them pretty much any time he wanted, and thus program his senses into seeing things that *agreed* with his beliefs, even if those things weren't really there. The classic example is the one-liner that even TBs laugh at, because (except for a vocal and even more delusional few on this forum who never spent *any* time around Maharishi) they've all seen it, too. How many have had this experience? [Three hands go up in a room full of hundreds of people] See? Almost everyone. IMO he really DID see a room full of waving hands, because he believed that was what should have happened. Therefore, for him, it really *did* happen. But it didn't. Or maybe that was not his belief, as I suggested in an earlier post. Perhaps your belief that he really DID see a room full of waving hands was the delusion. snip I think it's more sane, and balanced, to approach one's experiences in life with an underlying sense of distrust, rather than trust. SURE, you experienced such-and-such, but 1) did you *really* experience it or did you just program your brain to make it think you had, and 2) does having experienced it mean what you were TOLD it means, or do you just prefer to believe that because it makes you feel more special? The question in my mind is whether this cuts both ways. Do we see other people as deluded simply because we hold different beliefs? Might it be *us* who are deluded? Do we prefer to believe that we are the ones in touch with reality and that others are deluded because it make us feel more special? I suspect that some here will react badly to the article and research that Salyavin posted this morning, and will fly into defensive mode, trying desperately to find some way to poke holes in the research or its methodology or even the motivation behind it. To them, the idea that belief drives perception (as opposed to its opposite) is *challenging*, almost an affront. I'm not at all challenged or affronted by this idea. I just think it's not quite so cut-and- dried as it may seem. After all, many of them probably still believe that their experiences with TM were innocent, even though they were TOLD in two introductory lectures not only what to expect with TM, but what it meant. However, this is a problematic assertion. What I was TOLD in the intro lectures didn't lead me to expect what I actually experienced--not because it was wrong, but because the heart of the TM experience--pure consciousness--is simply not describable in words, neither inpractice nor in principle (regardless of what it means). snip I think that research such as this is potentially as liberating for True Believers as it is for True Skeptics...IF what they are really seeking is some sense of truth. For the TBs, it should serve as a reminder to never trust one's subjective experiences *fully*, because they could *always* be delusions caused by pre-suggestion or belief. Including the
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Seinfeld on Why He May Never Go Back to TV
How to out-charm even Barry.. Ah ha ha ha. I cannot tell you how funny I think this is. In my deluded mind - I see Bob posting that link with the subject line (sorry Bob, I'm engaging in fantasy). Ah ha ha ha ha --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: Barry - you crack me up! Robin posted this link of Comedians in Cars - it's the one of Jerry Seinfeld and Alec Baldwin. I remembered because I do *love* coffee and I got a real contact high out of this one (smile). Here is the link for you! I enjoyed the interview - thanks for posting that. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/318149 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/318149 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: I don't know why people have assumed that I'm down on Jerry Seinfeld. I don't remember having said anything negative about him, other than that his last hit was Seinfeld. And about the most negative thing I can think of to say about Seinfeld (the series, which I loved at the time) is that when I watch episodes of it these days, they're not very funny. They feel *dated*, as if the humor was present in the moment, but know that we're not in that moment, the humor isn't as present as it once was. After having read this interview, I suspect that Jerry might agree with that last statement. He comes across as *remarkably* impressive, thoughtful, and having learned a great deal about life and what makes it worth living: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/emmys-jerry-seinfeld-why-he-609111 1 I particularly liked what he said in response to the inevitable question about whether he'll ever go back to TV. I found it mind-boggling in its honesty, its in-your-face-ness, and in its accuracy: THR: Is there a scenario where you'd go back to TV? Seinfeld: That's what I feel like I'm doing. Except television frankly feels small compared to the world I'm in now. I'm in Australia, I'm in Norway, I'm in the U.K. And I was from day one. I'm doing the smallest possible show on the biggest possible network. This all feels like fresh air to me, and if you don't seek fresh air as an artist, I'm not quite sure what [you're doing]. Suffice it to say I'm downloading all of the episodes of Comedians In Cars as I write this. Having read his ideas on comedy, and that the best of it is created in the moment, with no notes, I am mightily looking forward to what he created.
[FairfieldLife] Re: How the deluded see the world....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason jedi_spock@... wrote: --- turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: snip Uh-huh. Delusional then, when thinking that the Ayatollah Khomeini was in Unity Consciousness (just like him) but so NOT delusional now, when trying to blame all of this on intelligences and forces beyond his own control and understanding. --- authfriend authfriend@ wrote: For the record, Robin has repeatedly blamed his own character flaws for the ability of these intelligences and forces he speaks of to influence him. Barry carefully omits to mention this. You mean something like the devil or satan? I suppose something *like* that, but you'd have to ask him. Robin's statement is downright schizophrenic. Oh? Would you like to elaborate? (Which statement?) Has it occured to you that it's *you* who could be in delusion about Robin's enlightenment and experiences? What would my delusion be, exactly? What do you think my beliefs are about Robin? Just out of curiosity, do you believe there is no intelligence nor any forces in the universe beyond your control and understanding?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: How the deluded see the world....
MJ has a harsher view of MMY, and seems to favor the idea that MMY was indeed a charlatan, telling people things that he didn't believe or that he knew weren't true, just for the money, or for the ego-strokes, or for the attention, or just because. I don't. I think that he spent so much time in trance states that he believed were higher or more real than other people's perceptions that he could pop himself into one of them pretty much any time he wanted, and thus program his senses into seeing things that *agreed* with his beliefs, even if those things weren't really there. I can see how you would come to that conclusion, but that is not exactly what I believe. Having talked to many including some here on FFL the Big M seemed to have an ability to both radiate energy and spark energy experiences in others. Now some may say that our experiences are totally ours to create, but what many say is that their experiences were often quite profound around M. I feel that Marshy took what he understood from the vedic body of knowledge and his understanding of what he taught was true from his point of view. I guess he may have felt some of what he taught was possible, such as enlightenment is possible in 3-5 years. Or maybe he just threw that out to have something to say when folks asked. Where I feel he was a fraud was in continuing to teach or imply that such things were going to happen when he knew they were not going to happen. Like enlightenment in a short amount of time. Like claiming 95% of the world's positive energy came from people doing TM (I heard Bevan quoting M on that one). The assertion that TMSP practice was 10,000 times more powerful than TM alone, I think he said that as a marketing ploy. The fraud also came in when he asked repeatedly for funds for the pundit and yogic flying groups and used the money for other purposes. Fraud in claiming that suddenly after about 50 years of teaching the orientation of a house was of the utmost importance. Also the practice of telling his followers to be celibate, including married couples while he himself was having sex. That is the kind of fraud I refer to. But if I had to say so, I would say I think he believed the basics of doing TM to gain enlightenment. But anyway that's what I think. From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 10:01 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: How the deluded see the world This article/research is not exactly a surprise, and not even new. There have been similar studies in the past that proved that when it comes to the question of Which comes first, perception or belief?, the answer is pretty much *always* Belief. That is why I was uncomfortable with an exchange here earlier this month, in which people were throwing around the word charlatan to describe someone (I honestly don't remember who at this point), and seemingly expecting me to pile on. I can't do that, even with Maharishi or Fred Lenz - Rama. I don't consider either of them charlatans in the sense that most people use that word, because it describes someone who knowingly deceives others, and doesn't believe the things he is saying. I think both of them believed pretty much every word that they said. I think they believed it so strongly, in fact, that these beliefs caused them to delude themselves into seeing and feeling things that supported those beliefs. Their beliefs *programmed* their own brains into seeing things that weren't there, and that had no relationship to reality as most people perceive it. MJ has a harsher view of MMY, and seems to favor the idea that MMY was indeed a charlatan, telling people things that he didn't believe or that he knew weren't true, just for the money, or for the ego-strokes, or for the attention, or just because. I don't. I think that he spent so much time in trance states that he believed were higher or more real than other people's perceptions that he could pop himself into one of them pretty much any time he wanted, and thus program his senses into seeing things that *agreed* with his beliefs, even if those things weren't really there. The classic example is the one-liner that even TBs laugh at, because (except for a vocal and even more delusional few on this forum who never spent *any* time around Maharishi) they've all seen it, too. How many have had this experience? [Three hands go up in a room full of hundreds of people] See? Almost everyone. IMO he really DID see a room full of waving hands, because he believed that was what should have happened. Therefore, for him, it really *did* happen. But it didn't. Understanding this mechanism of belief driving perception (and NOT vice-versa) is in my experience key to developing a more compassionate and balanced view of the world of holy men and shysters who proliferate on this backwards planet. My bet is
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Seinfeld on Why He May Never Go Back to TV
Barry, Robin one-ups you even when he's not here. I gotta go get a decent cup of coffee. You have a nice day now. Ah ha ha ha ha. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: How to out-charm even Barry.. Ah ha ha ha. I cannot tell you how funny I think this is. In my deluded mind - I see Bob posting that link with the subject line (sorry Bob, I'm engaging in fantasy). Ah ha ha ha ha --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: Barry - you crack me up! Robin posted this link of Comedians in Cars - it's the one of Jerry Seinfeld and Alec Baldwin. I remembered because I do *love* coffee and I got a real contact high out of this one (smile). Here is the link for you! I enjoyed the interview - thanks for posting that. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/318149 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/318149 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: I don't know why people have assumed that I'm down on Jerry Seinfeld. I don't remember having said anything negative about him, other than that his last hit was Seinfeld. And about the most negative thing I can think of to say about Seinfeld (the series, which I loved at the time) is that when I watch episodes of it these days, they're not very funny. They feel *dated*, as if the humor was present in the moment, but know that we're not in that moment, the humor isn't as present as it once was. After having read this interview, I suspect that Jerry might agree with that last statement. He comes across as *remarkably* impressive, thoughtful, and having learned a great deal about life and what makes it worth living: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/emmys-jerry-seinfeld-why-he-609111 1 I particularly liked what he said in response to the inevitable question about whether he'll ever go back to TV. I found it mind-boggling in its honesty, its in-your-face-ness, and in its accuracy: THR: Is there a scenario where you'd go back to TV? Seinfeld: That's what I feel like I'm doing. Except television frankly feels small compared to the world I'm in now. I'm in Australia, I'm in Norway, I'm in the U.K. And I was from day one. I'm doing the smallest possible show on the biggest possible network. This all feels like fresh air to me, and if you don't seek fresh air as an artist, I'm not quite sure what [you're doing]. Suffice it to say I'm downloading all of the episodes of Comedians In Cars as I write this. Having read his ideas on comedy, and that the best of it is created in the moment, with no notes, I am mightily looking forward to what he created.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Seinfeld on Why He May Never Go Back to TV
Good find, Emily, good memory. Jeez, almost exactly one year! Thanks for posting, it is pretty dang funny. From: emilymae.reyn emilymae.r...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 10:39 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Seinfeld on Why He May Never Go Back to TV Barry - you crack me up! Robin posted this link of Comedians in Cars - it's the one of Jerry Seinfeld and Alec Baldwin. I remembered because I do *love* coffee and I got a real contact high out of this one (smile). Here is the link for you! I enjoyed the interview - thanks for posting that. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/318149 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: I don't know why people have assumed that I'm down on Jerry Seinfeld. I don't remember having said anything negative about him, other than that his last hit was Seinfeld. And about the most negative thing I can think of to say about Seinfeld (the series, which I loved at the time) is that when I watch episodes of it these days, they're not very funny. They feel *dated*, as if the humor was present in the moment, but know that we're not in that moment, the humor isn't as present as it once was. After having read this interview, I suspect that Jerry might agree with that last statement. He comes across as *remarkably* impressive, thoughtful, and having learned a great deal about life and what makes it worth living: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/emmys-jerry-seinfeld-why-he-609111 1 I particularly liked what he said in response to the inevitable question about whether he'll ever go back to TV. I found it mind-boggling in its honesty, its in-your-face-ness, and in its accuracy: THR: Is there a scenario where you'd go back to TV? Seinfeld: That's what I feel like I'm doing. Except television frankly feels small compared to the world I'm in now. I'm in Australia, I'm in Norway, I'm in the U.K. And I was from day one. I'm doing the smallest possible show on the biggest possible network. This all feels like fresh air to me, and if you don't seek fresh air as an artist, I'm not quite sure what [you're doing]. Suffice it to say I'm downloading all of the episodes of Comedians In Cars as I write this. Having read his ideas on comedy, and that the best of it is created in the moment, with no notes, I am mightily looking forward to what he created.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Seinfeld on Why He May Never Go Back to TV
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: Barry - you crack me up! Robin posted this link of Comedians in Cars - it's the one of Jerry Seinfeld and Alec Baldwin. I remembered because I do *love* coffee and I got a real contact high out of this one (smile). Here is the link for you! I enjoyed the interview - thanks for posting that. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/318149 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/318149 Almost exactly a year ago. But Barry never reads Robin's posts, so he wasn't aware of it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Seinfeld on Why He May Never Go Back to TV
Good one Judy - still laughing. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: Barry - you crack me up! Robin posted this link of Comedians in Cars - it's the one of Jerry Seinfeld and Alec Baldwin. I remembered because I do *love* coffee and I got a real contact high out of this one (smile). Here is the link for you! I enjoyed the interview - thanks for posting that. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/318149 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/318149 Almost exactly a year ago. But Barry never reads Robin's posts, so he wasn't aware of it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: How the deluded see the world....
--- turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: This article/research is not exactly a surprise, and not even new. There have been similar studies in the past that proved that when it comes to the question of Which comes first, perception or belief?, the answer is pretty much *always* Belief. That is why I was uncomfortable with an exchange here earlier this month, in which people were throwing around the word charlatan to describe someone (I honestly don't remember who at this point), and seemingly expecting me to pile on. I can't do that, even with Maharishi or Fred Lenz - Rama. I don't consider either of them charlatans in the sense that most people use that word, because it describes someone who knowingly deceives others, and doesn't believe the things he is saying. I think both of them believed pretty much every word that they said. I think they believed it so strongly, in fact, that these beliefs caused them to delude themselves into seeing and feeling things that supported those beliefs. Their beliefs *programmed* their own brains into seeing things that weren't there, and that had no relationship to reality as most people perceive it. MJ has a harsher view of MMY, and seems to favor the idea that MMY was indeed a charlatan, telling people things that he didn't believe or that he knew weren't true, just for the money, or for the ego-strokes, or for the attention, or just because. I don't. I think that he spent so much time in trance states that he believed were higher or more real than other people's perceptions that he could pop himself into one of them pretty much any time he wanted, and thus program his senses into seeing things that *agreed* with his beliefs, even if those things weren't really there. The classic example is the one-liner that even TBs laugh at, because (except for a vocal and even more delusional few on this forum who never spent *any* time around Maharishi) they've all seen it, too. How many have had this experience? [Three hands go up in a room full of hundreds of people] See? Almost everyone. IMO he really DID see a room full of waving hands, because he believed that was what should have happened. Therefore, for him, it really *did* happen. But it didn't. Understanding this mechanism of belief driving perception (and NOT vice-versa) is in my experience key to developing a more compassionate and balanced view of the world of holy men and shysters who proliferate on this backwards planet. My bet is that even the worst of them -- like Satya Sai Baba -- *believed* that he was manifesting the vibhuti powder he had so carefully palmed and hidden under a tray before his cheap parlor magic acts. You can actually *see* him doing this in videos on YouTube. But just as his TB followers watch those videos and fail to see the obvious palming, preferring their belief in him as a god man to reality, my bet is that he found a way to delude *himself*, even as he was palming the objects. The important thing for him was the belief that he *was* magical; therefore he was. I suspect that his belief in himself as special and magical was so strong that he even found a way to believe that about himself when he was molesting his followers' young children. Part of the secret of developing compassion for such deluded individuals, again in my experience, is developing a similar compassion for *oneself*. I can do that easily, because I've been there, done that. I've listened to Maharishi talk utter nonsense myself, but was such a TB at the time that I not only believed it, I talked my brain into seeing the nonsense the same way he did. I just got over it. Many here on FFL never have. They have, for example, convinced themselves that the *minor* altered states of consciousness they experienced as a result of TM or the TM-sidhis were *major* shifts of consciousness. And why? Because they were TOLD that they were, and they preferred to *believe* that rather than deal with the possibility that these were just simple brain farts that had no inherent meaning at all, or that they were very common experiences that happen to many people who don't meditate at all (such as witnessing during either sleep or waking). I think it's more sane, and balanced, to approach one's experiences in life with an underlying sense of distrust, rather than trust. SURE, you experienced such-and-such, but 1) did you *really* experience it or did you just program your brain to make it think you had, and 2) does having experienced it mean what you were TOLD it means, or do you just prefer to believe that because it makes you feel more special? I suspect that some here will react badly to the article and research that Salyavin posted this morning, and will fly into defensive mode, trying desperately to find some way to
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Seinfeld on Why He May Never Go Back to TV
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: Barry, Robin one-ups you even when he's not here. LOL. I gotta go get a decent cup of coffee. You have a nice day now. Ah ha ha ha ha. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: How to out-charm even Barry.. Ah ha ha ha. I cannot tell you how funny I think this is. In my deluded mind - I see Bob posting that link with the subject line (sorry Bob, I'm engaging in fantasy). Ah ha ha ha ha --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: Barry - you crack me up! Robin posted this link of Comedians in Cars - it's the one of Jerry Seinfeld and Alec Baldwin. I remembered because I do *love* coffee and I got a real contact high out of this one (smile). Here is the link for you! I enjoyed the interview - thanks for posting that. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/318149 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/318149 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: I don't know why people have assumed that I'm down on Jerry Seinfeld. I don't remember having said anything negative about him, other than that his last hit was Seinfeld. And about the most negative thing I can think of to say about Seinfeld (the series, which I loved at the time) is that when I watch episodes of it these days, they're not very funny. They feel *dated*, as if the humor was present in the moment, but know that we're not in that moment, the humor isn't as present as it once was. After having read this interview, I suspect that Jerry might agree with that last statement. He comes across as *remarkably* impressive, thoughtful, and having learned a great deal about life and what makes it worth living: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/emmys-jerry-seinfeld-why-he-609111 1 I particularly liked what he said in response to the inevitable question about whether he'll ever go back to TV. I found it mind-boggling in its honesty, its in-your-face-ness, and in its accuracy: THR: Is there a scenario where you'd go back to TV? Seinfeld: That's what I feel like I'm doing. Except television frankly feels small compared to the world I'm in now. I'm in Australia, I'm in Norway, I'm in the U.K. And I was from day one. I'm doing the smallest possible show on the biggest possible network. This all feels like fresh air to me, and if you don't seek fresh air as an artist, I'm not quite sure what [you're doing]. Suffice it to say I'm downloading all of the episodes of Comedians In Cars as I write this. Having read his ideas on comedy, and that the best of it is created in the moment, with no notes, I am mightily looking forward to what he created.
[FairfieldLife] Re: How the deluded see the world....
Jason, what I've been reading for quite some time now, is that it is possible to activate new neural pathways simply by doing a new behavior. Yes, the neural pathway associated with the old behavior is like a deeper rut in the road, therefore easier to follow, but the new pathway can be strengthened by continuing to follow it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason jedi_spock@... wrote: This is what Edward de Bono states about Perception. The neural network or pattern in a man's brain is like a unique fingerprint. No two patterns are the same. However, once the patterns are formed, information coming in from outside, flows through these patterns like a river flowing across a terrain. The river path become more etched. The individual is simply unable to lift himself from those views and see things from a new perspective. De Bono states that this trait of the brain was probably necessary for our survival in the stone age enviornment, but now it hinders further progress by a tendency to become dogmatic. A very good article, Salyavin. --- salyavin808 wrote: Delusional People See the World Through Their Mind's Eye A mechanism for how the brain creates and maintains delusions is revealed in a new study. Having delusions, such as a belief in telekinesis, can influence how people see the world - literally. Human beliefs are shaped by perception, but the new research suggests delusions -- unfounded but tightly held beliefs -- can turn the tables and actually shape perception. People who are prone to forming delusions may not correctly distinguish among different sensory inputs, and may rely on these delusions to help make sense of the world, the study finds. Typical delusions include paranoid ideas or inflated ideas about oneself. Beliefs form in order to minimize our surprise about the world, said neuroscientist Phil Corlett of Yale University in New Haven, Conn., who was not involved in the study. Our expectations override what we actually see, Corlett added. The prevailing thinking holds that people develop delusions to predict how events in their lives will occur -- just as Pavlov's dog learned to predict that the sound of a bell ringing meant dinnertime was imminent. Humans update their beliefs when what they predict doesn't match what they actually experience, Corlett said. But delusions often appear to override the evidence of the senses. To test this idea, German and Swedish researchers conducted behavioral and neuroimaging experiments on healthy people who harbor delusions. In one experiment, volunteers were given a questionnaire designed to measure delusional beliefs. Questions included: Do you ever feel as if people are reading your mind?; Do you ever feel as if there is a conspiracy against you?; Do you ever feel as if you are, or destined to be someone very important?; and Are you often worried that your partner may be unfaithful? The participants then performed a task that tested their visual perception: They were shown a sphere-shaped set of dots rotating in an ambiguous direction, and asked to report which direction it was rotating at various intervals. People who harbored a greater number of delusional beliefs (those who scored higher on the questionnaire) saw the dots appear to change direction more often than the average person. The result confirms findings from previous studies that delusional individuals have less stable perceptions of the world. In a second experiment, the volunteers were given glasses, which they were told would bias their view so that the rotating dots would appear to go in one direction more often than the other direction -- a delusion, because these were actually ordinary glasses. The volunteers performed a similar dot-watching task, with a learning phase and a test phase. During the learning phase, the dots clearly rotated in one direction, but during the test phase, the direction was ambiguous. While wearing the glasses, the volunteers reported seeing the dots rotate in the biased direction, even during the test phase. They clung to the delusion that the glasses altered their vision, even though the visual evidence contradicted this idea, suggesting they used their delusional beliefs to interpret what they were seeing. A third experiment was similar to the second, but brain scans were taken using functional magnetic resonance imaging. The scans showed that when people were deluded about the direction of the dots' rotation, their brains were encoding the delusion as if they had really seen the dots move that way. In other words, people weren't just
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[FairfieldLife] Re: How the deluded see the world....
--- turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: snip Uh-huh. Delusional then, when thinking that the Ayatollah Khomeini was in Unity Consciousness (just like him) but so NOT delusional now, when trying to blame all of this on intelligences and forces beyond his own control and understanding. --- authfriend authfriend@ wrote: For the record, Robin has repeatedly blamed his own character flaws for the ability of these intelligences and forces he speaks of to influence him. Barry carefully omits to mention this. --- Jason jedi_spock@ wrote: You mean something like the devil or satan? --- authfriend authfriend@... wrote: I suppose something *like* that, but you'd have to ask him. Could it be 'Dissociative Identity Disorder'? http://sfhelp.org/gwc/false_self.htm http://sfhelp.org/gwc/false_self.htm Robin's statement is downright schizophrenic. Oh? Would you like to elaborate? (Which statement?) He speaks as if he literally sees these intelligences and forces, which IMO are imaginary. Has it occured to you that it's *you* who could be in delusion about Robin's enlightenment and experiences? What would my delusion be, exactly? What do you think my beliefs are about Robin? Just out of curiosity, do you believe there is no intelligence nor any forces in the universe beyond your control and understanding? You speak as if he really had an enlightenment experience.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Seinfeld on Why He May Never Go Back to TV
Bob, just to clarify - that would be the fantasy of you as a comedian - not really a fantasy as I find you one of the funniest people ever to grace the halls of FFL. Alright, moving on. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: How to out-charm even Barry.. Ah ha ha ha. I cannot tell you how funny I think this is. In my deluded mind - I see Bob posting that link with the subject line (sorry Bob, I'm engaging in fantasy). Ah ha ha ha ha --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: Barry - you crack me up! Robin posted this link of Comedians in Cars - it's the one of Jerry Seinfeld and Alec Baldwin. I remembered because I do *love* coffee and I got a real contact high out of this one (smile). Here is the link for you! I enjoyed the interview - thanks for posting that. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/318149 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/318149 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: I don't know why people have assumed that I'm down on Jerry Seinfeld. I don't remember having said anything negative about him, other than that his last hit was Seinfeld. And about the most negative thing I can think of to say about Seinfeld (the series, which I loved at the time) is that when I watch episodes of it these days, they're not very funny. They feel *dated*, as if the humor was present in the moment, but know that we're not in that moment, the humor isn't as present as it once was. After having read this interview, I suspect that Jerry might agree with that last statement. He comes across as *remarkably* impressive, thoughtful, and having learned a great deal about life and what makes it worth living: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/emmys-jerry-seinfeld-why-he-609111 1 I particularly liked what he said in response to the inevitable question about whether he'll ever go back to TV. I found it mind-boggling in its honesty, its in-your-face-ness, and in its accuracy: THR: Is there a scenario where you'd go back to TV? Seinfeld: That's what I feel like I'm doing. Except television frankly feels small compared to the world I'm in now. I'm in Australia, I'm in Norway, I'm in the U.K. And I was from day one. I'm doing the smallest possible show on the biggest possible network. This all feels like fresh air to me, and if you don't seek fresh air as an artist, I'm not quite sure what [you're doing]. Suffice it to say I'm downloading all of the episodes of Comedians In Cars as I write this. Having read his ideas on comedy, and that the best of it is created in the moment, with no notes, I am mightily looking forward to what he created.
[FairfieldLife] Re: How the deluded see the world....
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[FairfieldLife] Re: How the deluded see the world....
Re: You speak as if he really had an enlightenment experience. Of course he did, you numbskull - not that he now considers it the accurate reality by which life is lived. You should be able to pick up on this - even I, with enlightenment experiences (back in the day) attributable only to LSD, have the requisite brain cells left necessary to objectively determine this fact. You haven't done your research. Clearly he wrote sincerely - back then and now (and even as the Master of Irony - he's sincere - that's the brilliance of it all, really). Jason, you need to pull your head out of your ass on this and go get a cuppa something. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason jedi_spock@... wrote: --- turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: snip Uh-huh. Delusional then, when thinking that the Ayatollah Khomeini was in Unity Consciousness (just like him) but so NOT delusional now, when trying to blame all of this on intelligences and forces beyond his own control and understanding. --- authfriend authfriend@ wrote: For the record, Robin has repeatedly blamed his own character flaws for the ability of these intelligences and forces he speaks of to influence him. Barry carefully omits to mention this. --- Jason jedi_spock@ wrote: You mean something like the devil or satan? --- authfriend authfriend@ wrote: I suppose something *like* that, but you'd have to ask him. Could it be 'Dissociative Identity Disorder'? http://sfhelp.org/gwc/false_self.htm http://sfhelp.org/gwc/false_self.htm Robin's statement is downright schizophrenic. Oh? Would you like to elaborate? (Which statement?) He speaks as if he literally sees these intelligences and forces, which IMO are imaginary. Has it occured to you that it's *you* who could be in delusion about Robin's enlightenment and experiences? What would my delusion be, exactly? What do you think my beliefs are about Robin? Just out of curiosity, do you believe there is no intelligence nor any forces in the universe beyond your control and understanding? You speak as if he really had an enlightenment experience.
[FairfieldLife] Re: How the deluded see the world....
Some times, what some can say about other people having delusions and just who is delusional, or was delusional, sometimes the audience can build on that speculation and increase so much as to support the very delusional they are condemning. The mere fact of attention to prove or not, that what is, can be the delusion itself in the mind of perceptional thinking. The absolute collection of evidence and finger pointing from what little or largerly obvious in your face displays, can still mask that delusion to be contemplated to thorough mastery work. An example, mice in a maze created with the smell of cheese being the only clue. The mice scramble around to the cheese or like cheese scent reactionary impulse leads one to think Ah ha, as the mice feel they get closer to the final product.e The cheese scent is placed on all walls and path which makes it a bit more trying for the mice to find the absolute treasure, that tasty bit to ingest. Tidbits of clues and quick research are shared by the mice, to fulfill that absolute desire to eat the cheese, if found. Yet it, the cheese is out of view and not participating in the research of conclusions of a what is delusion. The cheese timely, patiently created this path and structure, kind of knowingly and unknowingly, because delusion is only what is not real to another's view. ( What ends up being created by the desire to create, can all appear as a delusion if one expects what fulfillment of desire right now, when it is time that gives the answers of truth.) The Master can create the play, only witness the play because he knows, he would be delusional too, if he expected what was created by he, and admittance to failure can appear as failure, which many think failure comes from the high expectations of desire and did not transpire, so another label can be delusional in his thinking. The Turq, is one of those mice. Scrambling around, tired ole mouse, trying to bring down another because of his own delusions leading to non success with what he wanted to happen in life. Iranitea, Judy can handle you, she has this good quality and stop obsessing over her. It appears, the Turq and his minion (Does he have more than one?) have been had. The cheese is there. Turq must first realize he is a mouse. Then he may be able to contemplate how to find the cheese. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6ojY3IAsO4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6ojY3IAsO4 I know you want to kiss me, Turq. ;) Maybe I should have prof read this, but I have nothing to hide. My own mistakes make me stronger. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba wrote: Delusional people make better lovers? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYck2B_0-DI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lo6k-fbnv0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ln4hYALLCRk --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason wrote: --- turquoiseb wrote: Uh-huh. Delusional then, when thinking that the Ayatollah Khomeini was in Unity Consciousness (just like him) but so NOT delusional now, when trying to blame all of this on intelligences and forces beyond his own control and understanding. --- authfriend authfriend@ wrote: For the record, Robin has repeatedly blamed his own character flaws for the ability of these intelligences and forces he speaks of to influence him. Barry carefully omits to mention this. You mean something like the devil or satan? Robin's statement is downright schizophrenic. Has it occured to you that it's *you* who could be in delusion about Robin's enlightenment and experiences? Barry, of course, does not believe there could possibly be any intelligences or forces beyond his own control and understanding. Maybe he's in Unity Consciousness himself. ;-) Barry has snipped bits and pieces from a much longer post of Robin's in his attempt to denigrate Robin, but the post in its entirety is pretty interesting. Barry fails to provide a link; here it is: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/312097
[FairfieldLife] Re: How the deluded see the world....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: Re: You speak as if he really had an enlightenment experience. Of course he did, you numbskull - not that he now considers it the accurate reality by which life is lived. You should be able to pick up on this - even I, with enlightenment experiences (back in the day) attributable only to LSD, have the requisite brain cells left necessary to objectively determine this fact. You haven't done your research. Clearly he wrote sincerely - back then and now (and even as the Master of Irony - he's sincere - that's the brilliance of it all, really). Jason, you need to pull your head out of your ass on this and go get a cuppa something. If anybody's interested, since we seem to be deep into yet another discussion about Robin, he wrote a detailed post about his experiences in an exchange with DrD (then known as whynotnow). It deals specifically with the differences between his experiences back then and his experiences currently: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/299555
[FairfieldLife] Re: How the deluded see the world....
Merundanda, you are one funny being. haha --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba wrote: Delusional people make better lovers? [data:image/jpeg;base64,/9j/4AAQSkZJRgABAQAAAQABAAD/2wCEAAICAgICAQICAgID\ AgIDAwYEAwMDAwcFBQQGCAcJCAgHCAgJCg0LCQoMCggICw8LDA0ODg8OCQsQERAOEQ0ODg4B\ AgMDAwMDBwQEBw4JCAkODg4ODg4ODg4ODg4ODg4ODg4ODg4ODg4ODg4ODg4ODg4ODg4ODg4O\ Dg4ODg4ODg4ODv/AABEIAFoAeAMBIgACEQEDEQH/xAAeAAACAwACAwEHCQUG\ CAEDAgQKAP/EAD0QAAEDAwMCBAQDBgUDBQECAwQFBhEAByESQQgTMVEUYXGBFSIyCUJS\ kaGxFiNigvBzweEYMzQ1Nv/EABsBAAIDAQEBAAMEAgUGAQAH/8QAJREAAgMA\ AwACAQQDAQIAAxEEEiETMQUiMkFxFFFh/9oADAMBAAIRAxEAPwBdKtvLbqSVlyKq\ K4fQtnGow7Q3HTFGRbVxPsJ/UEeadepRN4qO4wluoI6FYwVAaKNKvW35cZCo1XSlRGcKXjXN\ nYM/xTe23ZAWt9yotI46VjqGNEOzd86imemFdVDJdBwVBkkaIUe4EqpqVIUxMQeM5z99Vuq1\ WmMxTNeprLSulQDiMDK8Zz9NQJENWnZpRNx6zHq9WdqVNjpZbRkhIbwUq7EnvnPpoQ0+32G3\ o8iouNGQ64VrDhHUT2APb767LjuVt6peWwgoZQsrU2Tx1H0z9PXQ1qlUlzJrKWnVPSScIAPp\ qGSw+QJ5JqtliTea4UJ9MltpzpW7+6tfdX09tF6gbQ1yuR4amKSH42AfMczhYPfj+2iN4cvC\ hee4FYiVqsUxcKgKUVKW6ClTn0405a2NkYFu2XCiCA22yywEIwjOOOfv89SFfYyzoVVTtYPT\ FNWx4Z6u6208uniM6o58stlIIz31YdwNrJdp2Al5qI1GDK8PqSvk8jJx7Yx2025iz4ojPM4I\ cOOlWO2g7uZZrL7RYlQ/MjFBOQkEk/MaJ8IAh2sB+h5ELXbRkIrKn/L6eo9P5OR8tVaCxiCl\ yK1lxBV5gKc4A/8AGtU7rUiDAqqoaW2w4EKC2UcFJBIz/P01niHTVJqLsHzC0Fn/ANxXoTn0\ +XGg4B5ELkxtEi5VKS/FEqP1fEdI6kBOCD9e/Gqt8TMiSfh3Bwo9QH9zojTSunV1cN5IMhpH\ w7qU+hUOEkf99Uqapyo15mNgJfS6G0kjnk4I/rr30YjZgE9OpUf8RoKKg0lSnUnpUAeVa50S\ rTpzFRtmv26+gt1VhhzpCSMlxJ/Tn7a8tTH/ACBNQYAw2N+DesrCfh5yx79Y9NFG3PBDJnW9\ h6supnJHHQngHTPKbRmXWsrZTyOM6sFPpxgSgpsgJJ/MNPCsGI+RdVueCWpwY6nKjdElEdHo\ ltWP76yZvUzGtDcp61qbUVyo0IdDrqVZJV3T/bT3b3qUS2tna1dLqOuJT4Tj7oCsE9KT6f01\ 84N1Vl+v3ZNq81xb78mU464v3JUSNJt+6MqeglWqUglskr6pDivbsdaS2Y2tvKk0xjcVG3bl\ 3UxkealtxrIKR+8Pf7DQ12u2nurdbchNKt2luVJ4Yz0j8qB7k+2mbyvB74gKDtJFkUncKpVK\ ssOsOM0VutOQoiY4BDjOEkEH0wR21HCRHaQ6/rI2XfZPxr7bF9q3rptxdnTUPBhAQjLftz6E\ fPjTIIFyUms23Bm0mS3Ogvthxt1pYKVJPoRpHcHwt7vKqFKf3GgpmyajIV1LaaC3op7da0DH\ P1+p03LbHaGfYnh1t6IxPkP+XGQVIkK5bGMkenY5Gpp2Hpl8F1NMOMSHTpNNMtbIbUR6KPpo\ P7gQqfU4DrSAWZCDhpY7ce3fvrFG+PiJv+yd7Pwm3VsSKey2ChjryVZGD1D68j6az21419xq\ XVsVagR5sbrypLzCklZ78541L5dOCeaoKumCfxP25UaPuLMnJZcZbeypJSc/UE9uecfPWVqH\ VyiJLdlp65aOIqlD9Kvf66YheG+Fhbrbay4k+iLgVgoGEu4U2COwV6/01hJdrpm3fPMdnqjR\ UlSecdJPOgHC0U5KHoHEFdxTXHy1KKep1Sslwc9S+51Jw6ctd906QmOEpdWhaUf6uPT767Yd\ HflSqlEdHk/DrylH30RadGRFqFJcWEfEQ2+pJT+oKHoftrzefUp0Vnf2DqZU3Le3rqnlJIDk\ wklJweRz/XXOuLl8uZudT3QjKR0heB6knjXOognIJyyuQJ9NH+CpFNpipUuoRGYoAy6HD0gf\ y13igPCUuPypacYIGQoEZBHy0O7Zqb9Q2ivWn1CQ5JjQJjrDC3FZISACOflnUpaO5Ew+GWdV\ jLjt1alMONQ3pIBS8W8hIV7+gGrMuVEYPD98OCQO/wDYO4t1+E+tWpY1GXUqrU0hnJcS0G05\ 5JUogemRpK9xeGfc61t0qHYdZo6W7lqjo8liPJafGFHHKkKIHvz8/bWst4vEb4qLe2hi39ct\ AkWpatRmmLTn/wArRcXgkYR1dXSQCQSMEaqPhb3Pue9/EbDueuvu1B7zPLckPK4aAHYn6jSB\ bT9R1KeMxxW0/wBRrPhP8NFv7J7YR0FtuZcstAXUZqkjqCsfoB9gdawq9qqqMhCky0JbKcKD\ jAWfsTqq2K867aUaQ66SpSQontq+x6qp2aWEtHCfVw/p06MyPqozyVGPtvRo1abmKWtx8DkK\ P5SffGuvcZ92Fs5Um4IDbga8tsA/LGr7KkNMRXJTznQlPc+2s83bdFLrF4x6b8Q+QQVNpU2Q\ jIPPOovijI/WmxX9L2WrN57/ANVNQluQqiZoUJMhK1NqQrJA6k8p/tqN352t3O2JvGh1Sx6L\ /jeBOiodlmTSEymEPdSgtsjlSRjpI57nTXKTZ8F59yTHd+GfdAw62kZPtri7aHJeoaozrbra\ wkpS82rOQR7dtARRkBy2awYvkRtcVxWXf9rn8StJW3N/Rf8A5sSInEd/6D1SffPpodogqplt\ SJqkgNAqIPQAXz7E9wB/LWqfEFt3EoFwS65IafQv0S48Rlz/AFHGsE3xd01NLXEiPLWS0Ggc\ 46B7DUW+4ncRTQN9kLFnQm6xMlvFCEFXPljtnOdRAq5k1tchpADSl4SlHGqjC+MlyEQUJUo4\ Kl9Iz1autIo6UVxDck4bU2FNkeoyPX+euZ5M+LSzeTzcp6EyFT/IytspW2tQOFnPB454PfXj\ ojy4i522lelvlKW1rajR8jlKU8kp+49dc6ET7GepjCqLuPfELaG5aBbVBnXjIpbSnq9UPJIS\ knlajnHOOekZOO2q69cFpVKz7Jtdd7P0ijuOofrYK8uPJ4Kmm20gqKyeOwGckgaIc3d+41WH\ HtPZyz3rFpbjSi9VaqyhT+TkFSUpJBUTyVLJPy1menUCh7dX3LrlwVGVfV5VGUXY0ZTZWpx9\ ZyfyJHJKjwAPtqQs6t57NRULWRvkHUTUHi0taV4iPDJatKs+SLcptBcMlKKwvyxLSGulIwM4\ UB7++sA7LVFyxbVTTW3U/iK5ispxyFBePUfTTb9uvD1Vry2wdr29E2VGEpjzYFuQJK2EQkFB\ wHsYKl8j8vAGMc6VNApVOtDe+rwHY7iE06qPBhMvkpSHD0lRPy13kC3NYZKbi/4ovyo7kdvt\ tunFjbd0KFOw/U1xkFxhCuogYx9tHCoVmhXFYcilT4zjEWSkDCFqQQQcghScEEEA50tHYyOd\ xb8cjUuvuQGmIyA482gdWCe3bW6ahA3GtWKhij1Gh3dBbaCERajG+DfUMcgOgqTn/aNRqsZk\ 0jyXZqAs6oYDd6vEVd229a+Bi2w5elMWAWH4SilKccYXwedVjbnxHVHc2x6tTKltdUKDXQ2R\ BksgvMrVjgqVhPTzqyXhuHaMKIuh3xY9TsBpSulE6QfPjFXpgOoykDPuftqvWxdzdpuAx5se\ q0lah5L0R4KDic8eg0I2Pvpj7VdVwrhmttupsoWLC/Emy1NS2A4k/wAQ9de5ctzIYiPJQtHO\ QSo4xxof29e9NqdDlTGnEoDIy6EqIIV7Y9sd86Bl/wC4kRUSYG5SQh1QARk9eMc40wGAEqin\ Z5nTxMiq3bSyxHUHVLKvM6DnjtjSybvttUKkhElJbktu89QxkY0xG7rmjLbcmtvJEZP8S8KB\ HbGltbt3JKqt5SHVyVBjOWUdXoNDDFmif5H41QCd9vUZFLlUa4etD8NcnyJamVBaoyj+knHo\ D76Ltcs6HHtluqwUpW6yrpIKwOprnCh799Zbt+4K1bba5UNQcjupKVsOp621j3KTxoqUzcNd\ bhQ47VLTT1x0FMhTTqglef3kj935gcaIdlHRZWBhkzXZradtIUBK1tyn5R8tA4PSnXlqJoc9\ q694oDUjmBBUB1HnrHv/AD15ajGgFf0GM42mtS/t47diPssKtS2eT+KOsEuPZOSlpHHV3/Me\ B89by208ONlWI+iqxbfNVuI4K61VsOyifX8pPDY+SANaEp1u0CnvIcp0UMJSnCG0n8qPoO2p\
[FairfieldLife] Re: A terrible beauty is born
That segment showing the young woman having a mushroom-cloud hairdo is revealing. How innocent people could be back then. On the UK version of What's My Line?, where contestants have to guess someone's job, there was one particular show that had a man whose task was loading Polaris missiles onto subs. Talk about bad taste. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba wrote: I met this woman, M. T. Silva,, Atomic Mom, at a film festival I think 2 years ago http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wezh9saXgo0 Wonderful human she is. What she compiled is significant as a lot mentioned in her film I had not ever heard about and is quite frightening. This was not in the film version I saw at the screening but is interesting too http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upc0HGKxevc I am pretty sure she got this documentary on some of the PBS channels last year. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Seraphita wrote: The Partial Test Ban Treaty of 1963 was approved because of concerns about radioactive fallout as a result of nuclear weapons testing in the atmosphere. I remember reading someone - I forget who - who suggested that every ten years or so the representatives of the world's nations at the UN should all be taken to witness for themselves an air-burst nuclear explosion. The idea was that the experience would be so scary that it would concentrate minds on the necessity of limiting the spread of nuclear weapons. I always thought he had a point. Yes, it's true that an H-bomb exploded above ground would cause enough of an increase in background radiation that a handful of people across the world would develop cancer and die who otherwise wouldn't have, but you have to set that against the inevitability that one day a rogue state or terrorist group will explode an atom bomb in a city somewhere causing untold suffering. And there are plenty of experts who argue that such an eventuality really is a near certainty. Because these explosions always had a terrible beauty (Yeats's phrase) about them I always envied those who were able to witness the American test explosions in the Pacific. If those experts are right perhaps one day I'll get to witness such a blast too close for comfort. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5_9Gi7w19Y
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lifeboat Hour this week
Nope. But maybe I'm deluded (-: From: sparaig lengli...@cox.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 10:29 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lifeboat Hour this week Are you a cat by any chance? L --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: I've heard one doc say that one shouldn't eat tuna, which I love, more than 2 or 3 times a year! From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 10:09 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lifeboat Hour this week  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: Most so-called Atlantic Salmon is farmed - fish packed in pens, pumped full of steroids and antibiotics, so they can grow to adult size in a fraction of the time. I am anything but a foodie, though I wanted to share that tidbit with you. The dangers of eating farmed fish is becoming obvious. Authorities in Russia and Norway now advice to eat that fish maximum twice a week and warns it should not being eaten by pregnant women and children. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Well noozguru, I've stopped eating salmon from the west coast, or any fish from there actually. And I've heard that the price of it has plummeted. And then I saw a news article claiming to list the five fish that are still safe to eat! That article indicated to me that *they* know that we know what Fukushima hath wrought. though I think to be really honest I must say, what we have wrought. Don't we all have to take some responsibility for it? Anyway, I haven't listened to the radio show yet but read the short essay, stopped breathing momentarily at the bit about the Tokyo aquifer. My answer to all this is to meditate and pursue my own healing as best as I can. Is there something more to be done, do you think? Thank you for posting. From: Bhairitu noozguru@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 10:23 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Lifeboat Hour this week  Mike Ruppert reports the latest on Fukushima. Enjpy! http://prn.fm/2013/08/18/lifeboat-hour-081813/
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years
Might get a little more sympathy from the WH had he chosen Malia or Sasha as his new name. From: fest...@yahoo.com fest...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 9:17 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years I see he wants now to be known as Chelsea. Now there is one fucked-up dude. He should never have been allowed anywhere near classified information, and he shouldn't have leaked it. He broke his oath to the Army. An army without discipline can't function. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: Important Notice: Judy has only ten toes. Rory, you get five and Iranatea gets five. Now don't fight boys. :-D You forgot that I'm already the fluffer of Barry. It's a complicated act :-D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vhqi6ysY_HQ
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: How the deluded see the world....
livescience.com might want to change it's name to pretentiousscience.com or fascistscience.com. They obviously have an agenda and it's not science but the herd people into being good, non-complaining consumers. The conspiracy thing caught my eye and in their context instead of being about political conspiracies it should be about family and friends conspiring against the individual. And of course that too DOES happen. Perhaps these scientists might try going a few days without sleep until they become delusional to really understand what it's about. Sleep deprivation is all it takes to make someone crazy and usually only temporarily. On 08/22/2013 07:04 AM, doctordumb...@rocketmail.com wrote: Ironic that the neuroscientists are completely unfamiliar with their conscious minds *not* being in a constant state of thought. White rats, chasing other white rats. A few moments of their own mental peace might turn their attention away from always studying undeveloped minds. It as if science can do no better than to validate an immature state of the mind, because the limited awareness of the scientists, cannot see any further. What a total waste of time. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: Delusional People See the World Through Their Mind's Eye A mechanism for how the brain creates and maintains delusions is revealed in a new study. Having delusions, such as a belief in telekinesis, can influence how people see the world - literally. Human beliefs http://www.livescience.com/16748-americans-beliefs-paranormal-infograph\ http://www.livescience.com/16748-americans-beliefs-paranormal-infograph ic.html are shaped by perception, but the new research suggests delusions --- unfounded but tightly held beliefs --- can turn the tables and actually shape perception. People who are prone to forming delusions may not correctly distinguish among different sensory inputs, and may rely on these delusions to help make sense of the world, the study finds. Typical delusions include paranoid ideas or inflated ideas about oneself. Beliefs form in order to minimize our surprise about the world, said neuroscientist Phil Corlett of Yale University in New Haven, Conn., who was not involved in the study. Our expectations override what we actually see, Corlett added. The prevailing thinking holds that people develop delusions http://www.livescience.com/5508-people-unsure-beliefs-close-minded.html\ http://www.livescience.com/5508-people-unsure-beliefs-close-minded.html to predict how events in their lives will occur --- just as Pavlov's dog learned to predict that the sound of a bell ringing meant dinnertime was imminent. Humans update their beliefs when what they predict doesn't match what they actually experience, Corlett said. But delusions often appear to override the evidence of the senses. To test this idea, German and Swedish researchers conducted behavioral and neuroimaging experiments on healthy people who harbor delusions. In one experiment, volunteers were given a questionnaire designed to measure delusional beliefs. Questions included: Do you ever feel as if people are reading your mind?; Do you ever feel as if there is a conspiracy against you http://www.livescience.com/11375-top-ten-conspiracy-theories.html ?; Do you ever feel as if you are, or destined to be someone very important?; and Are you often worried that your partner may be unfaithful? The participants then performed a task that tested their visual perception: They were shown a sphere-shaped set of dots rotating in an ambiguous direction, and asked to report which direction it was rotating at various intervals. People who harbored a greater number of delusional beliefs (those who scored higher on the questionnaire) saw the dots appear to change direction more often than the average person. The result confirms findings from previous studies that delusional individuals have less stable perceptions of the world. In a second experiment, the volunteers were given glasses, which they were told would bias their view so that the rotating dots would appear to go in one direction http://www.livescience.com/14093-optical-illusions-gallery.html more often than the other direction --- a delusion, because these were actually ordinary glasses. The volunteers performed a similar dot-watching task, with a learning phase and a test phase. During the learning phase, the dots clearly rotated in one direction, but during the test phase, the direction was ambiguous. While wearing the glasses, the volunteers reported seeing the dots rotate in the biased direction, even during the test phase. They clung to the delusion that the glasses altered their vision, even though the visual evidence contradicted this idea, suggesting they used their delusional beliefs to interpret what they were seeing. A third
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years
Feste wrote: I see he wants now to be known as Chelsea. Now there is one fucked-up dude. He should never have been allowed anywhere near classified information, and he shouldn't have leaked it. He broke his oath to the Army. An army without discipline can't function. Your compassion for Manning is noted. As to the Army, from a piece on Manning by Matt Taibbi in Rolling Stone in June: ...What would be the correct kind of person to have access to videos of civilian massacres? Who's the right kind of person to be let in the know about the fact that we systematically turned academics and other suspects over to the Iraqi military to be tortured? We want people who will, what, sit on this stuff? Apparently the idea is to hire the kind of person who will cheerfully help us keep this sort of thing hidden from ourselves. The thing is, when it comes to things like the infamous Collateral Murder video, whether it's Bradley Manning or anyone else, any decent human being would have had an obligation to come forward. Presented with that material, you either become part of a campaign of torture and murder by saying nothing, or you have to make it public. Morally, there's no option. Yes, Manning went beyond even that. One can definitely quibble about the volume of the material he released and the manner in which he released it. And I get that military secrets should, in a properly functioning society, be kept secret. But when military secrets cross the line into atrocities, the act of keeping these secrets secret ceases to have much meaning. The issues to be debated at this trial are massive in scope. They're about the character of the society we've all created, not the state of mind of one troubled Army private. If anyone tries to tell you anything else, he's selling you something. Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/taibblog/as-bradley-manning-trial-begins-press-predictably-misses-the-point-20130605#ixzz2ciwY3q8y http://tinyurl.com/ko7ys3l
[FairfieldLife] Re: How the deluded see the world....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: I bet sleep deprivation is only one of the ordeals that Bradley Manning suffered. No wonder he wants to change his name. It's a miracle that he's still functional. He wants to change not just his name but his gender. He won't be able to do this (other than cross-dressing, if they let him; no surgery or hormones) until he gets out of prison, but that's his goal. According to him, he has always wanted to be female; it's not just because of his gross maltreatment while he was in custody.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: How the deluded see the world....
I bet sleep deprivation is only one of the ordeals that Bradley Manning suffered. No wonder he wants to change his name. It's a miracle that he's still functional. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 1:21 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: How the deluded see the world livescience.com might want to change it's name to pretentiousscience.com or fascistscience.com. They obviously have an agenda and it's not science but the herd people into being good, non-complaining consumers. The conspiracy thing caught my eye and in their context instead of being about political conspiracies it should be about family and friends conspiring against the individual. And of course that too DOES happen. Perhaps these scientists might try going a few days without sleep until they become delusional to really understand what it's about. Sleep deprivation is all it takes to make someone crazy and usually only temporarily. On 08/22/2013 07:04 AM, doctordumb...@rocketmail.com wrote: Ironic that the neuroscientists are completely unfamiliar with their conscious minds *not* being in a constant state of thought. White rats, chasing other white rats. A few moments of their own mental peace might turn their attention away from always studying undeveloped minds. It as if science can do no better than to validate an immature state of the mind, because the limited awareness of the scientists, cannot see any further. What a total waste of time. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: Delusional People See the World Through Their Mind's Eye A mechanism for how the brain creates and maintains delusions is revealed in a new study. Having delusions, such as a belief in telekinesis, can influence how people see the world - literally. Human beliefs http://www.livescience.com/16748-americans-beliefs-paranormal-infograph\ ic.html are shaped by perception, but the new research suggests delusions — unfounded but tightly held beliefs — can turn the tables and actually shape perception. People who are prone to forming delusions may not correctly distinguish among different sensory inputs, and may rely on these delusions to help make sense of the world, the study finds. Typical delusions include paranoid ideas or inflated ideas about oneself. Beliefs form in order to minimize our surprise about the world, said neuroscientist Phil Corlett of Yale University in New Haven, Conn., who was not involved in the study. Our expectations override what we actually see, Corlett added. The prevailing thinking holds that people develop delusions http://www.livescience.com/5508-people-unsure-beliefs-close-minded.html\ to predict how events in their lives will occur — just as Pavlov's dog learned to predict that the sound of a bell ringing meant dinnertime was imminent. Humans update their beliefs when what they predict doesn't match what they actually experience, Corlett said. But delusions often appear to override the evidence of the senses. To test this idea, German and Swedish researchers conducted behavioral and neuroimaging experiments on healthy people who harbor delusions. In one experiment, volunteers were given a questionnaire designed to measure delusional beliefs. Questions included: Do you ever feel as if people are reading your mind?; Do you ever feel as if there is a conspiracy against you http://www.livescience.com/11375-top-ten-conspiracy-theories.html ?; Do you ever feel as if you are, or destined to be someone very important?; and Are you often worried that your partner may be unfaithful? The participants then performed a task that tested their visual perception: They were shown a sphere-shaped set of dots rotating in an ambiguous direction, and asked to report which direction it was rotating at various intervals. People who harbored a greater number of delusional beliefs (those who scored higher on the questionnaire) saw the dots appear to change direction more often than the average person. The result confirms findings from previous studies that delusional individuals have less stable perceptions of the world. In a second experiment, the volunteers were given glasses, which they were told would bias their view so that the rotating dots would appear to
[FairfieldLife] Re: How the deluded see the world....
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: How the deluded see the world....
Here's a little game/puzzle, the first winner to successfully finish it gets a prize. I dentify the following delusional beliefs with the person professing the belief (the first one as an example) [image: Inline image 1]
Re: [FairfieldLife] How the deluded see the world....
Here's a little game/puzzle, the first winner to successfully finish it gets a prize. I dentify the following delusional beliefs with the person professing the belief (the first one as an example) [image: Inline image 1]
[FairfieldLife] Re: How the deluded see the world....
--- emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: Re: You speak as if he really had an enlightenment experience. Of course he did, you numbskull - not that he now considers it the accurate reality by which life is lived. You should be able to pick up on this - even I, with enlightenment experiences (back in the day) attributable only to LSD, have the requisite brain cells left necessary to objectively determine this fact. You haven't done your research. Clearly he wrote sincerely - back then and now (and even as the Master of Irony - he's sincere - that's the brilliance of it all, really). Jason, you need to pull your head out of your ass on this and go get a cuppa something. I agree that he wrote sincerely. However, I doubt that he was really in enlightenment or any higher state. Robin's recount of those experiences simply doesn't tally with the accounts of other yogis and seekers. Basicaly, in eastern philosophy enlightenment is an one way trip. You discover who you are and that's it. --- turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: snip Uh-huh. Delusional then, when thinking that the Ayatollah Khomeini was in Unity Consciousness (just like him) but so NOT delusional now, when trying to blame all of this on intelligences and forces beyond his own control and understanding. --- authfriend authfriend@ wrote: For the record, Robin has repeatedly blamed his own character flaws for the ability of these intelligences and forces he speaks of to influence him. Barry carefully omits to mention this. --- Jason jedi_spock@ wrote: You mean something like the devil or satan? --- authfriend authfriend@ wrote: I suppose something *like* that, but you'd have to ask him. --- Jason jedi_spock@ wrote: Could it be 'Dissociative Identity Disorder'? http://sfhelp.org/gwc/false_self.htm http://sfhelp.org/gwc/false_self.htm Robin's statement is downright schizophrenic. Oh? Would you like to elaborate? (Which statement?) --- Jason jedi_spock@ wrote: He speaks as if he literally sees these intelligences and forces, which IMO are imaginary. Has it occured to you that it's *you* who could be in delusion about Robin's enlightenment and experiences? What would my delusion be, exactly? What do you think my beliefs are about Robin? Just out of curiosity, do you believe there is no intelligence nor any forces in the universe beyond your control and understanding? You speak as if he really had an enlightenment experience.
[FairfieldLife] Re: How the deluded see the world....
Well then his bravery has taken on a whole new dimension for me. Meaning that he has been chosen to be a whistle blower, bound to attract severe opposition, while at the same time having a personality aspect which also might draw severe opposition. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: I bet sleep deprivation is only one of the ordeals that Bradley Manning suffered. No wonder he wants to change his name. It's a miracle that he's still functional. He wants to change not just his name but his gender. He won't be able to do this (other than cross-dressing, if they let him; no surgery or hormones) until he gets out of prison, but that's his goal. According to him, he has always wanted to be female; it's not just because of his gross maltreatment while he was in custody.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Chilling
{ cue voice of Combo (deceased tweeker and dealer of
life threatening addictive drugs but righteous in
his own way and forever remembered as providing the
cook RV for the chump change remains of Mr. White's
life savings spent in one night at a strip club) }
thanks for that, yo. a most excellent read.
Great article Mr. Bee. Prolly right that I will read
the book, but not quite yet.
In one of the many recent interviews I have seen, Vince
was asked if the writers ever write themselves into a corner.
He said getting Jesse and Walt out of the RV parked in
the salvage yard with Hank ready to bust down the door
took he and six writers 4 agonizingly long painful days to solve.
Say, did you take your eye-patch with yas on this trip?
Up to speed on 5.2.2 Buried?
I'd hate to inadvertently grin throw a spoiler out there.
Did you catch the other graffiti on the wall where Heisenberg
is scrawled on Walt's trashed former domicile? Down and to the left.
I am afraid one of my worst plot point fears is about to be reified.
Without giving anything away the principles on the show have all
said the show gets much much darker, as each season has. Skyler
is now firmly on Team Walt ostensibly for the good of the family.
Walt Jr/Flynn has been absent since asking permission to go to
Louis's and stay out late.. Junior smoking the blue would crush
Sky and change it all up, again.
Or not. Seeing the sweet natured disabled kid sucking the glass
dick would take the show just about as dark as it could ever go.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:
Article (and book) that I figured you wouldn't want to miss:
http://www.uproxx.com/tv/2013/08/breaking-bad-writers-room-photos/
http://www.uproxx.com/tv/2013/08/breaking-bad-writers-room-photos/
[FairfieldLife] The problem with academic psychology
From Will Wilkinson's article in Buzzfeed, Barbara Fredrickson's Bestselling `Positivity' Is Trashed by a New Study: ...For lack of a less expensive and convenient alternative, academic psychologists mainly study the inner workings of American college students, observing them in labs and paying them to fill out surveys. While this method is sure to reveal interesting truths about the distinctive cultural milieu of the American college student, it is unlikely to uncover solid, universal truths about the psychology of Homo sapiens. A number of recent studies suggest that the rich, well-educated youths of industrialized Western democracies who make up the subject pool of most psychological research are not actually the generic, typical humans that the rich, well-educated elders of industrialized Western democracies take them to be. The minds of our young Aggies and Buckeyes operate a bit differently than those of people laboring under different conditions and in sometimes surprising and important ways. Academic psychology has become aware of this problem, but has yet to absorb how serious it really is Read more: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/08/16/barbara-fredrickson-s-bestselling-positivity-is-trashed-by-a-new-study.html http://tinyurl.com/n7br56p
[FairfieldLife] Re: How the deluded see the world....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: This article/research is not exactly a surprise, and not even new. There have been similar studies in the past that proved that when it comes to the question of Which comes first, perception or belief?, the answer is pretty much *always* Belief. That is why I was uncomfortable with an exchange here earlier this month, in which people were throwing around the word charlatan to describe someone (I honestly don't remember who at this point), and seemingly expecting me to pile on. I can't do that, even with Maharishi or Fred Lenz - Rama. I don't consider either of them charlatans in the sense that most people use that word, because it describes someone who knowingly deceives others, and doesn't believe the things he is saying. I think both of them believed pretty much every word that they said. I think they believed it so strongly, in fact, that these beliefs caused them to delude themselves into seeing and feeling things that supported those beliefs. Their beliefs *programmed* their own brains into seeing things that weren't there, and that had no relationship to reality as most people perceive it. MJ has a harsher view of MMY, and seems to favor the idea that MMY was indeed a charlatan, telling people things that he didn't believe or that he knew weren't true, just for the money, or for the ego-strokes, or for the attention, or just because. I don't. I think that he spent so much time in trance states that he believed were higher or more real than other people's perceptions that he could pop himself into one of them pretty much any time he wanted, and thus program his senses into seeing things that *agreed* with his beliefs, even if those things weren't really there. The classic example is the one-liner that even TBs laugh at, because (except for a vocal and even more delusional few on this forum who never spent *any* time around Maharishi) they've all seen it, too. How many have had this experience? [Three hands go up in a room full of hundreds of people] See? Almost everyone. IMO he really DID see a room full of waving hands, because he believed that was what should have happened. Therefore, for him, it really *did* happen. But it didn't. Understanding this mechanism of belief driving perception (and NOT vice-versa) is in my experience key to developing a more compassionate and balanced view of the world of holy men and shysters who proliferate on this backwards planet. My bet is that even the worst of them -- like Satya Sai Baba -- *believed* that he was manifesting the vibhuti powder he had so carefully palmed and hidden under a tray before his cheap parlor magic acts. You can actually *see* him doing this in videos on YouTube. But just as his TB followers watch those videos and fail to see the obvious palming, preferring their belief in him as a god man to reality, my bet is that he found a way to delude *himself*, even as he was palming the objects. The important thing for him was the belief that he *was* magical; therefore he was. I suspect that his belief in himself as special and magical was so strong that he even found a way to believe that about himself when he was molesting his followers' young children. Part of the secret of developing compassion for such deluded individuals, again in my experience, is developing a similar compassion for *oneself*. I can do that easily, because I've been there, done that. I've listened to Maharishi talk utter nonsense myself, but was such a TB at the time that I not only believed it, I talked my brain into seeing the nonsense the same way he did. I just got over it. Many here on FFL never have. They have, for example, convinced themselves that the *minor* altered states of consciousness they experienced as a result of TM or the TM-sidhis were *major* shifts of consciousness. And why? Because they were TOLD that they were, and they preferred to *believe* that rather than deal with the possibility that these were just simple brain farts that had no inherent meaning at all, or that they were very common experiences that happen to many people who don't meditate at all (such as witnessing during either sleep or waking). I think it's more sane, and balanced, to approach one's experiences in life with an underlying sense of distrust, rather than trust. SURE, you experienced such-and-such, but 1) did you *really* experience it or did you just program your brain to make it think you had, and 2) does having experienced it mean what you were TOLD it means, or do you just prefer to believe that because it makes you feel more special? I suspect that some here will react badly to the article and research that Salyavin posted this morning, and will fly into defensive mode, trying desperately to find some way to poke holes in the research or its methodology or even the motivation behind it. To them, the idea that
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Seinfeld on Why He May Never Go Back to TV
Emily, Since it looks like Barry is currently in the middle of another Robin eruption, I thought it might be helpful to follow up on an invitation that Raja Ravi extended to us---to come up with a title for Barry's autobiography. I hope my submission is not too late; I've been preoccupied writing a press release for a revolutionary new product, the wife invented---that reverses the aging process. At the time of Raja Ravi's gracious invitation, Barry was tailgating Stephen King (not as badly as he tailgated Elmore Leonard, whose 10 writing rules he posted---before he seems to have read them---and then posted an 11th rule he made up himself to give himself cover after he realized that Leonard's 10 made him look like a hack) and some of his thoughts on first sentences; with that in mind, I thought I might offer a title, soundtrack and first sentence; they're rough as I haven't finished the press release yet, but---with your exceptional writing skills, that never disappoint---I trust you implicitly to edit and improve my humble offering before its submitted to the judges (Ravi). Title: *She was always on my mind*. Sound track: Always on my Mind http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7f189Z0v0Y http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7f189Z0v0Y http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7f189Z0v0Y Suggested first sentence of Barry's autobiography: Gravity became a kingly host, as my breathing fled my body for the last time---and Judy's life began flashing before my eyes---slowly, truly, like watching FIREFLY, for the tenth time---constantly rewinding my favorite scenes, saying: 'to hell with plot development, I need a hat like that', as I noticed---to my horror---and thought: 'no, this can't be true, it just can't be, I'm sure its not---God wouldn't do this to me; I know I behaved badly---like I was an eight year old, when I was pushing 70---and, like Bubbles DeVere, pretended crowds of people had complimented the first sentence of my *FREE* online book: Road Trip Mind, when it was only Maya, just before she hit me up for 10 Euros---to buy some bitter liquorice; OMG, what did I do to deserve this; that's definitely not Judy, it's, its---no it can't be---it's Robin, and he's saying something: That's not., but I can't quite make it out: That's not how., OMG, if I'd only listened to him more carefully when I had the chance---what can he possibly be saying: That's not how you write..., what was that, I need to relax more': That's not how you write a 200 word sentence. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , emilymae.reyn wrote: Bob, just to clarify - that would be the fantasy of you as a comedian - not really a fantasy as I find you one of the funniest people ever to grace the halls of FFL. Alright, moving on. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: How to out-charm even Barry.. Ah ha ha ha. I cannot tell you how funny I think this is. In my deluded mind - I see Bob posting that link with the subject line (sorry Bob, I'm engaging in fantasy). Ah ha ha ha ha --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , emilymae.reyn wrote: Barry - you crack me up! Robin posted this link of Comedians in Cars - it's the one of Jerry Seinfeld and Alec Baldwin. I remembered because I do *love* coffee and I got a real contact high out of this one (smile). Here is the link for you! I enjoyed the interview - thanks for posting that. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/318149 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/318149 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , turquoiseb wrote: I don't know why people have assumed that I'm down on Jerry Seinfeld. I don't remember having said anything negative about him, other than that his last hit was Seinfeld. And about the most negative thing I can think of to say about Seinfeld (the series, which I loved at the time) is that when I watch episodes of it these days, they're not very funny. They feel *dated*, as if the humor was present in the moment, but know that we're not in that moment, the humor isn't as present as it once was. After having read this interview, I suspect that Jerry might agree with that last statement. He comes across as *remarkably* impressive, thoughtful, and having learned a great deal about life and what makes it worth living: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/emmys-jerry-seinfeld-why-he-609111 http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/emmys-jerry-seinfeld-why-he-60911\ 1 1 I particularly liked what he said in response to the inevitable question about whether he'll ever go back to TV. I found it mind-boggling in its honesty, its in-your-face-ness, and in its accuracy: THR: Is there a
[FairfieldLife] RE: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: How the deluded see the world....
(-: From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 4:05 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: How the deluded see the world --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: This article/research is not exactly a surprise, and not even new. There have been similar studies in the past that proved that when it comes to the question of Which comes first, perception or belief?, the answer is pretty much *always* Belief. That is why I was uncomfortable with an exchange here earlier this month, in which people were throwing around the word charlatan to describe someone (I honestly don't remember who at this point), and seemingly expecting me to pile on. I can't do that, even with Maharishi or Fred Lenz - Rama. I don't consider either of them charlatans in the sense that most people use that word, because it describes someone who knowingly deceives others, and doesn't believe the things he is saying. I think both of them believed pretty much every word that they said. I think they believed it so strongly, in fact, that these beliefs caused them to delude themselves into seeing and feeling things that supported those beliefs. Their beliefs *programmed* their own brains into seeing things that weren't there, and that had no relationship to reality as most people perceive it. MJ has a harsher view of MMY, and seems to favor the idea that MMY was indeed a charlatan, telling people things that he didn't believe or that he knew weren't true, just for the money, or for the ego-strokes, or for the attention, or just because. I don't. I think that he spent so much time in trance states that he believed were higher or more real than other people's perceptions that he could pop himself into one of them pretty much any time he wanted, and thus program his senses into seeing things that *agreed* with his beliefs, even if those things weren't really there. The classic example is the one-liner that even TBs laugh at, because (except for a vocal and even more delusional few on this forum who never spent *any* time around Maharishi) they've all seen it, too. How many have had this experience? [Three hands go up in a room full of hundreds of people] See? Almost everyone. IMO he really DID see a room full of waving hands, because he believed that was what should have happened. Therefore, for him, it really *did* happen. But it didn't. Understanding this mechanism of belief driving perception (and NOT vice-versa) is in my experience key to developing a more compassionate and balanced view of the world of holy men and shysters who proliferate on this backwards planet. My bet is that even the worst of them -- like Satya Sai Baba -- *believed* that he was manifesting the vibhuti powder he had so carefully palmed and hidden under a tray before his cheap parlor magic acts. You can actually *see* him doing this in videos on YouTube. But just as his TB followers watch those videos and fail to see the obvious palming, preferring their belief in him as a god man to reality, my bet is that he found a way to delude *himself*, even as he was palming the objects. The important thing for him was the belief that he *was* magical; therefore he was. I suspect that his belief in himself as special and magical was so strong that he even found a way to believe that about himself when he was molesting his followers' young children. Part of the secret of developing compassion for such deluded individuals, again in my experience, is developing a similar compassion for *oneself*. I can do that easily, because I've been there, done that. I've listened to Maharishi talk utter nonsense myself, but was such a TB at the time that I not only believed it, I talked my brain into seeing the nonsense the same way he did. I just got over it. Many here on FFL never have. They have, for example, convinced themselves that the *minor* altered states of consciousness they experienced as a result of TM or the TM-sidhis were *major* shifts of consciousness. And why? Because they were TOLD that they were, and they preferred to *believe* that rather than deal with the possibility that these were just simple brain farts that had no inherent meaning at all, or that they were very common experiences that happen to many people who don't meditate at all (such as witnessing during either sleep or waking). I think it's more sane, and balanced, to approach one's experiences in life with an underlying sense of distrust, rather than trust. SURE, you experienced such-and-such, but 1) did you *really* experience it or did you just program your brain to make it think you had, and 2) does having experienced it mean what you were TOLD it means, or do you just prefer to believe that because it makes you feel more special? I suspect that some here will react badly to the
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years
Ill considered? No way. Manning give a two hour long review of his motivations. He did a crime, but he exposed THOUSANDS UPON THOUSANDS OF HORRENDOUS CRIMES. Every single person cooperating with what the government is doing IS A CORRUPTED MIND COMPLETELY SOLD OUT TO THE MONSTERS OF GREED. The complicity of those who know -- condemns them utterly. I'll take Manning's morality and gender choices as sanity compared to what those who stay silent call their conscientiousness. http://www.filmsforaction.org/news/travesty_of_justice_bradley_manning_sentenced_to_35_years/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years
Feste wrote: Compassion has nothing to do with it. Obviously not for you. The article says Manning (or any decent human being in his position) had no other option than to do what he did, but that is not so. He could have quit the military. I think Taibbi meant no other *moral* option. All he had to do was say I am a homosexual or I am really a woman (as he appears now to believe) Manning says she's always been a woman in her mind/psyche. and he would have been discharged. He managed to convince himself that he was acting out of high moral principle, but in truth he was just a confused adolescent who chose to act out in a very stupid and ill-considered manner. I didn't know you were such a close friend of hers.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years
- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: Manning says she's always been a woman in her mind/psyche. This Manning chap becomes more embarrassing by the day. From the Wiki article on the US Military and gays I read: While restrictions on sexual orientation have been lifted, restrictions on gender identity remain in place due to Department of Defense regulations; transgender Americans thus continue to be barred from military service. Sorry Chelsea - you're in the wrong line of work.
[FairfieldLife] Re: How the deluded see the world....
Yep, went back and read posts 312097 and 299555. I pointed out to the Muni of Monte Cassino (a number of times) that none of the descriptions of his purported Unity Consciousness conform to Shankara's explanations - whether in the BrahmaSutraBhasya, UpanishadBhasya or BhagavadGitaBhasya. Such grand enlightenment appears to have been Robin's own neo-Advaitic epiphanies later aggrandized and grafted upon Maharishi's explanations. Maharishi's descriptions themselves are a form of neo-yogic advaita and Robin was unwilling to tacitly match his own purported enlightenment with the explanations of traditional advaita. He wouldn't even continue a conversation bringing it up for consideration. This unwillingness was, for me, a clue to Robin's delusive self-absorption . --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymae.reyn wrote: I re-read the whole piece - pretty interesting, really. Jason, did you read the link to the larger post? If you are commenting on the snips - in this case - you are missing the reality. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason jedi_spock@ wrote: --- turquoiseb wrote: Uh-huh. Delusional then, when thinking that the Ayatollah Khomeini was in Unity Consciousness (just like him) but so NOT delusional now, when trying to blame all of this on intelligences and forces beyond his own control and understanding. --- authfriend wrote: For the record, Robin has repeatedly blamed his own character flaws for the ability of these intelligences and forces he speaks of to influence him. Barry carefully omits to mention this. You mean something like the devil or satan? Robin's statement is downright schizophrenic. Has it occured to you that it's *you* who could be in delusion about Robin's enlightenment and experiences? Barry, of course, does not believe there could possibly be any intelligences or forces beyond his own control and understanding. Maybe he's in Unity Consciousness himself. ;-) Barry has snipped bits and pieces from a much longer post of Robin's in his attempt to denigrate Robin, but the post in its entirety is pretty interesting. Barry fails to provide a link; here it is: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/312097
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years
I see the Wikipedia entry on Manning has already been updated and refers to Bradley/Chelsea as she. Will the lady now be sent to a woman's prison? What larks! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Seraphita wrote: - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: Manning says she's always been a woman in her mind/psyche. This Manning chap becomes more embarrassing by the day. From the Wiki article on the US Military and gays I read: While restrictions on sexual orientation have been lifted, restrictions on gender identity remain in place due to Department of Defense regulations; transgender Americans thus continue to be barred from military service. Sorry Chelsea - you're in the wrong line of work.
[FairfieldLife] Re: How the deluded see the world....
Printed a copy and have my black Sharpie in hand. I can almost do this blindfolded, except don't want to mark up the teak by accident. Cause if I do that, then I may have to pull out 600 grit sand paper. To clean up the Barry Wright for fun game/puzzle. If the sanded varnish transfers to the nearby fabric, then another fine mess, the Barry Wright for fun/game puzzle spreads to more chores and clean up. Whew, this is work. Opps, debris on the floor now. This could end up like Dr. Seuss's, The Cat and the Hat! Oh my, and most definitely like the polluted section of Turq-FFL board posts. It's all good if one can sieve his very few non ego written sentences. Takes a fine strainer though, to find them. Ravi, could you design a quick video game like the old, Pong, using the chart provided. Add the sound too, so I can run it in the background, like this, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GFTNEbu2FU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GFTNEbu2FU --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote: Here's a little game/puzzle, the first winner to successfully finish it gets a prize. âIâ âdentify the following delusional beliefs with the person professing the belief (the first one as an example) [image: Inline image 1]
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Seraphita s3raphita@... wrote: - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: Manning says she's always been a woman in her mind/psyche. This Manning chap becomes more embarrassing by the day. From the Wiki article on the US Military and gays I read: While restrictions on sexual orientation have been lifted, restrictions on gender identity remain in place due to Department of Defense regulations; transgender Americans thus continue to be barred from military service. Sorry Chelsea - you're in the wrong line of work. Not any more. She's been dishonorably discharged. She said she joined the Army to try to overcome her sense that she was a woman. Now that the trial is over and she's out of the Army, she's decided to go for it. FWIW, research is increasingly showing that gender dysphoria has biological causes. It's beginning to look as though a man, say, doesn't want to be a woman because he's screwed up, but is screwed up because he wants to be a woman. It's hard to imagine what it must be like to feel you're in the wrong kind of body and to know that everybody thinks you're someone you know you aren't--and for this to be the case from the time you were a very little kid. That would mess with anyone's mind.
[FairfieldLife] Re: How the deluded see the world....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@... wrote: Yep, went back and read posts 312097 and 299555. I pointed out to the Muni of Monte Cassino (a number of times) that none of the descriptions of his purported Unity Consciousness conform to Shankara's explanations - whether in the BrahmaSutraBhasya, UpanishadBhasya or BhagavadGitaBhasya. Such grand enlightenment appears to have been Robin's own neo-Advaitic epiphanies later aggrandized and grafted upon Maharishi's explanations. Nuh-uh. Maharishi's teaching was where he first encountered explanations of enlightenment. Maharishi's descriptions themselves are a form of neo-yogic advaita and Robin was unwilling to tacitly match his own purported enlightenment with the explanations of traditional advaita. Right. He was a disciple of Maharishi. He wouldn't even continue a conversation bringing it up for consideration. This unwillingness was, for me, a clue to Robin's delusive self-absorption . Actually it was completely irrelevant. Think about it for a minute. What good would it have done him at this point to consider matching his experience with that of other descriptions? What good would it have done him back then, for that matter? You've really never made any sense on this topic, empty.
[FairfieldLife] Re: How the deluded see the world....
Ravi, you can take your time with the Pong style Barry Wright puzzle video game. The sound would be hard to hear with the wonderful bass recording going on, at the moment. I have to be quiet right now. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@... wrote: Printed a copy and have my black Sharpie in hand. I can almost do this blindfolded, except don't want to mark up the teak by accident. Cause if I do that, then I may have to pull out 600 grit sand paper. To clean up the Barry Wright for fun game/puzzle. If the sanded varnish transfers to the nearby fabric, then another fine mess, the Barry Wright for fun/game puzzle spreads to more chores and clean up. Whew, this is work. Opps, debris on the floor now. This could end up like Dr. Seuss's, The Cat and the Hat! Oh my, and most definitely like the polluted section of Turq-FFL board posts. It's all good if one can sieve his very few non ego written sentences. Takes a fine strainer though, to find them. Ravi, could you design a quick video game like the old, Pong, using the chart provided. Add the sound too, so I can run it in the background, like this, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GFTNEbu2FU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GFTNEbu2FU --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote: Here's a little game/puzzle, the first winner to successfully finish it gets a prize. âIâ âdentify the following delusional beliefs with the person professing the belief (the first one as an example) [image: Inline image 1]
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years
I think it was Mike Dixon who had what I think is a plausible explanation from Charlie Lutes: that a person is carrying non physical gender qualities over from a previous life time. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Seraphita s3raphita@ wrote: - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: Manning says she's always been a woman in her mind/psyche. This Manning chap becomes more embarrassing by the day. From the Wiki article on the US Military and gays I read: While restrictions on sexual orientation have been lifted, restrictions on gender identity remain in place due to Department of Defense regulations; transgender Americans thus continue to be barred from military service. Sorry Chelsea - you're in the wrong line of work. Not any more. She's been dishonorably discharged. She said she joined the Army to try to overcome her sense that she was a woman. Now that the trial is over and she's out of the Army, she's decided to go for it. FWIW, research is increasingly showing that gender dysphoria has biological causes. It's beginning to look as though a man, say, doesn't want to be a woman because he's screwed up, but is screwed up because he wants to be a woman. It's hard to imagine what it must be like to feel you're in the wrong kind of body and to know that everybody thinks you're someone you know you aren't--and for this to be the case from the time you were a very little kid. That would mess with anyone's mind.
[FairfieldLife] Re: How the deluded see the world....
Jason, I concede to ignorance on the matter of enlightenment. Now, an enlightenment experience is something else altogether in my mind. My conscience had a pang (I'd like to call it a moment of enlightenment) on my drive towards the ocean today (my life is like a milk run - I have so many stops I can never get anywhere) and I'd like to apologize for the rude and crude term (pull your head out of your ass) I used. I was channeling my father on that one, but as I'm trying to teach my children that they can't blame *everything* on their mother, I will give dear old dad a break on this. I won't say that one again - even to Barry. I could also blame my rudeness on the cup of coffee, the upset within over the situation in Syria, or the idea that I find the discussion of whether or not Robin was enlightened, was never enlightened (according to certain criteria), is still enlightened and doesn't know it, etc. etc., kind of pointless. However, I'll just stick with the apology and tell you that I'm sorry I was such a jerk. Emily. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason jedi_spock@... wrote: --- emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: Re: You speak as if he really had an enlightenment experience. Of course he did, you numbskull - not that he now considers it the accurate reality by which life is lived. You should be able to pick up on this - even I, with enlightenment experiences (back in the day) attributable only to LSD, have the requisite brain cells left necessary to objectively determine this fact. You haven't done your research. Clearly he wrote sincerely - back then and now (and even as the Master of Irony - he's sincere - that's the brilliance of it all, really). Jason, you need to pull your head out of your ass on this and go get a cuppa something. I agree that he wrote sincerely. However, I doubt that he was really in enlightenment or any higher state. Robin's recount of those experiences simply doesn't tally with the accounts of other yogis and seekers. Basicaly, in eastern philosophy enlightenment is an one way trip. You discover who you are and that's it. --- turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: snip Uh-huh. Delusional then, when thinking that the Ayatollah Khomeini was in Unity Consciousness (just like him) but so NOT delusional now, when trying to blame all of this on intelligences and forces beyond his own control and understanding. --- authfriend authfriend@ wrote: For the record, Robin has repeatedly blamed his own character flaws for the ability of these intelligences and forces he speaks of to influence him. Barry carefully omits to mention this. --- Jason jedi_spock@ wrote: You mean something like the devil or satan? --- authfriend authfriend@ wrote: I suppose something *like* that, but you'd have to ask him. --- Jason jedi_spock@ wrote: Could it be 'Dissociative Identity Disorder'? http://sfhelp.org/gwc/false_self.htm http://sfhelp.org/gwc/false_self.htm Robin's statement is downright schizophrenic. Oh? Would you like to elaborate? (Which statement?) --- Jason jedi_spock@ wrote: He speaks as if he literally sees these intelligences and forces, which IMO are imaginary. Has it occured to you that it's *you* who could be in delusion about Robin's enlightenment and experiences? What would my delusion be, exactly? What do you think my beliefs are about Robin? Just out of curiosity, do you believe there is no intelligence nor any forces in the universe beyond your control and understanding? You speak as if he really had an enlightenment experience.
[FairfieldLife] Re: How the deluded see the world....
Emily, a beautiful re-amp. I am not sure which take I like better, although just the fact you could see another side, may mean the pang is clearly, enlightenment. If you can bring me a Milky Way :) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: Jason, I concede to ignorance on the matter of enlightenment. Now, an enlightenment experience is something else altogether in my mind. My conscience had a pang (I'd like to call it a moment of enlightenment) on my drive towards the ocean today (my life is like a milk run - I have so many stops I can never get anywhere) and I'd like to apologize for the rude and crude term (pull your head out of your ass) I used. I was channeling my father on that one, but as I'm trying to teach my children that they can't blame *everything* on their mother, I will give dear old dad a break on this. I won't say that one again - even to Barry. I could also blame my rudeness on the cup of coffee, the upset within over the situation in Syria, or the idea that I find the discussion of whether or not Robin was enlightened, was never enlightened (according to certain criteria), is still enlightened and doesn't know it, etc. etc., kind of pointless. However, I'll just stick with the apology and tell you that I'm sorry I was such a jerk. Emily. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason jedi_spock@ wrote: --- emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: Re: You speak as if he really had an enlightenment experience. Of course he did, you numbskull - not that he now considers it the accurate reality by which life is lived. You should be able to pick up on this - even I, with enlightenment experiences (back in the day) attributable only to LSD, have the requisite brain cells left necessary to objectively determine this fact. You haven't done your research. Clearly he wrote sincerely - back then and now (and even as the Master of Irony - he's sincere - that's the brilliance of it all, really). Jason, you need to pull your head out of your ass on this and go get a cuppa something. I agree that he wrote sincerely. However, I doubt that he was really in enlightenment or any higher state. Robin's recount of those experiences simply doesn't tally with the accounts of other yogis and seekers. Basicaly, in eastern philosophy enlightenment is an one way trip. You discover who you are and that's it. --- turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: snip Uh-huh. Delusional then, when thinking that the Ayatollah Khomeini was in Unity Consciousness (just like him) but so NOT delusional now, when trying to blame all of this on intelligences and forces beyond his own control and understanding. --- authfriend authfriend@ wrote: For the record, Robin has repeatedly blamed his own character flaws for the ability of these intelligences and forces he speaks of to influence him. Barry carefully omits to mention this. --- Jason jedi_spock@ wrote: You mean something like the devil or satan? --- authfriend authfriend@ wrote: I suppose something *like* that, but you'd have to ask him. --- Jason jedi_spock@ wrote: Could it be 'Dissociative Identity Disorder'? http://sfhelp.org/gwc/false_self.htm http://sfhelp.org/gwc/false_self.htm Robin's statement is downright schizophrenic. Oh? Would you like to elaborate? (Which statement?) --- Jason jedi_spock@ wrote: He speaks as if he literally sees these intelligences and forces, which IMO are imaginary. Has it occured to you that it's *you* who could be in delusion about Robin's enlightenment and experiences? What would my delusion be, exactly? What do you think my beliefs are about Robin? Just out of curiosity, do you believe there is no intelligence nor any forces in the universe beyond your control and understanding? You speak as if he really had an enlightenment experience.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years
That was the Theosophists' line. They said that all of us are reincarnated over many lifetimes and each of us will experience what it's like to be rich, what it's like to be poor; what it's like to be respected, what it's like to be scorned, and so on . . . including, naturally, each of us will have some of our lives as women and other lives as men. The thinking was that if you were a woman in a previous life and had just now incarnated as a man you could have homosexual tendencies this time around. Or if you were a woman and your next reincarnation was scheduled to be as a man you might have lesbian tendencies. (And various changes on that theme.) What's neat about the theory is that it recognises that homosexuality is unnatural (most people's initial gut reaction?) but it justifies the orientation as being supernaturally ordained. Nice one! (It's a mirror image of the usual liberal approach that any sexual orientation is natural and so acceptable.) Serious question: now that Bradley/Chelsea has requested the new identity does that mean that liberal outlets like CNN will call her Chelsea while conservative outlets like Fox will call him Bradley in their news coverage? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60 wrote: I think it was Mike Dixon who had what I think is a plausible explanation from Charlie Lutes: that a person is carrying non physical gender qualities over from a previous life time. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Seraphita wrote: - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: Manning says she's always been a woman in her mind/psyche. This Manning chap becomes more embarrassing by the day. From the Wiki article on the US Military and gays I read: While restrictions on sexual orientation have been lifted, restrictions on gender identity remain in place due to Department of Defense regulations; transgender Americans thus continue to be barred from military service. Sorry Chelsea - you're in the wrong line of work. Not any more. She's been dishonorably discharged. She said she joined the Army to try to overcome her sense that she was a woman. Now that the trial is over and she's out of the Army, she's decided to go for it. FWIW, research is increasingly showing that gender dysphoria has biological causes. It's beginning to look as though a man, say, doesn't want to be a woman because he's screwed up, but is screwed up because he wants to be a woman. It's hard to imagine what it must be like to feel you're in the wrong kind of body and to know that everybody thinks you're someone you know you aren't--and for this to be the case from the time you were a very little kid. That would mess with anyone's mind.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Seinfeld on Why He May Never Go Back to TV
Bob, yes, this is rough, but I think ready for the judge and thus I am initialing this (ER) with my blessing. I did find The 11 Steps on how to write a Love Song - maybe Raja Ravi would consider this as an appendix for Barry's reincarnation as Share's one and only, given his practice run in this life with brotherly affection. http://www.wikihow.com/Write-a-Love-Song http://www.wikihow.com/Write-a-Love-Song He should be able to come up with something at least as good as this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgT_us6AsDg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgT_us6AsDg Now, upper level management has determined a few days of solitary confinement will do me good, now that the kid is finally back at college, so off I go. Do you think the wife would save me a sample? I want to look as good as Ann does. Emily. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bobpriced wrote: Emily, Since it looks like Barry is currently in the middle of another Robin eruption, I thought it might be helpful to follow up on an invitation that Raja Ravi extended to us---to come up with a title for Barry's autobiography. I hope my submission is not too late; I've been preoccupied writing a press release for a revolutionary new product, the wife invented---that reverses the aging process. At the time of Raja Ravi's gracious invitation, Barry was tailgating Stephen King (not as badly as he tailgated Elmore Leonard, whose 10 writing rules he posted---before he seems to have read them---and then posted an 11th rule he made up himself to give himself cover after he realized that Leonard's 10 made him look like a hack) and some of his thoughts on first sentences; with that in mind, I thought I might offer a title, soundtrack and first sentence; they're rough as I haven't finished the press release yet, but---with your exceptional writing skills, that never disappoint---I trust you implicitly to edit and improve my humble offering before its submitted to the judges (Ravi). Title: *She was always on my mind*. Sound track: Always on my Mind http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7f189Z0v0Y Suggested first sentence of Barry's autobiography: Gravity became a kingly host, as my breathing fled my body for the last time---and Judy's life began flashing before my eyes---slowly, truly, like watching FIREFLY, for the tenth time---constantly rewinding my favorite scenes, saying: 'to hell with plot development, I need a hat like that', as I noticed---to my horror---and thought: 'no, this can't be true, it just can't be, I'm sure its not---God wouldn't do this to me; I know I behaved badly---like I was an eight year old, when I was pushing 70---and, like Bubbles DeVere, pretended crowds of people had complimented the first sentence of my *FREE* online book: Road Trip Mind, when it was only Maya, just before she hit me up for 10 Euros---to buy some bitter liquorice; OMG, what did I do to deserve this; that's definitely not Judy, it's, its---no it can't be---it's Robin, and he's saying something: That's not., but I can't quite make it out: That's not how., OMG, if I'd only listened to him more carefully when I had the chance---what can he possibly be saying: That's not how you write..., what was that, I need to relax more': That's not how you write a 200 word sentence. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Bob, just to clarify - that would be the fantasy of you as a comedian - not really a fantasy as I find you one of the funniest people ever to grace the halls of FFL. Alright, moving on. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: How to out-charm even Barry.. Ah ha ha ha. I cannot tell you how funny I think this is. In my deluded mind - I see Bob posting that link with the subject line (sorry Bob, I'm engaging in fantasy). Ah ha ha ha ha --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Barry - you crack me up! Robin posted this link of Comedians in Cars - it's the one of Jerry Seinfeld and Alec Baldwin. I remembered because I do *love* coffee and I got a real contact high out of this one (smile). Here is the link for you! I enjoyed the interview - thanks for posting that. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/318149 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com I don't know why people have assumed that I'm down on Jerry Seinfeld. I don't remember having said anything negative about him, other than that his last hit was Seinfeld. And about the most negative thing I can think of to say about Seinfeld (the series, which I loved at the time) is that when I watch episodes of it these days, they're not very funny. They feel *dated*, as if the humor was present in the moment, but know that we're not in that moment, the humor isn't as present as it once was. After having read this interview, I suspect that Jerry might agree with
[FairfieldLife] Re: How the deluded see the world....
Obba - isn't it great being a woman in or near her 50's? See ya... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@... wrote: Emily, a beautiful re-amp. I am not sure which take I like better, although just the fact you could see another side, may mean the pang is clearly, enlightenment. If you can bring me a Milky Way :) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: Jason, I concede to ignorance on the matter of enlightenment. Now, an enlightenment experience is something else altogether in my mind. My conscience had a pang (I'd like to call it a moment of enlightenment) on my drive towards the ocean today (my life is like a milk run - I have so many stops I can never get anywhere) and I'd like to apologize for the rude and crude term (pull your head out of your ass) I used. I was channeling my father on that one, but as I'm trying to teach my children that they can't blame *everything* on their mother, I will give dear old dad a break on this. I won't say that one again - even to Barry. I could also blame my rudeness on the cup of coffee, the upset within over the situation in Syria, or the idea that I find the discussion of whether or not Robin was enlightened, was never enlightened (according to certain criteria), is still enlightened and doesn't know it, etc. etc., kind of pointless. However, I'll just stick with the apology and tell you that I'm sorry I was such a jerk. Emily. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason jedi_spock@ wrote: --- emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: Re: You speak as if he really had an enlightenment experience. Of course he did, you numbskull - not that he now considers it the accurate reality by which life is lived. You should be able to pick up on this - even I, with enlightenment experiences (back in the day) attributable only to LSD, have the requisite brain cells left necessary to objectively determine this fact. You haven't done your research. Clearly he wrote sincerely - back then and now (and even as the Master of Irony - he's sincere - that's the brilliance of it all, really). Jason, you need to pull your head out of your ass on this and go get a cuppa something. I agree that he wrote sincerely. However, I doubt that he was really in enlightenment or any higher state. Robin's recount of those experiences simply doesn't tally with the accounts of other yogis and seekers. Basicaly, in eastern philosophy enlightenment is an one way trip. You discover who you are and that's it. --- turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: snip Uh-huh. Delusional then, when thinking that the Ayatollah Khomeini was in Unity Consciousness (just like him) but so NOT delusional now, when trying to blame all of this on intelligences and forces beyond his own control and understanding. --- authfriend authfriend@ wrote: For the record, Robin has repeatedly blamed his own character flaws for the ability of these intelligences and forces he speaks of to influence him. Barry carefully omits to mention this. --- Jason jedi_spock@ wrote: You mean something like the devil or satan? --- authfriend authfriend@ wrote: I suppose something *like* that, but you'd have to ask him. --- Jason jedi_spock@ wrote: Could it be 'Dissociative Identity Disorder'? http://sfhelp.org/gwc/false_self.htm http://sfhelp.org/gwc/false_self.htm Robin's statement is downright schizophrenic. Oh? Would you like to elaborate? (Which statement?) --- Jason jedi_spock@ wrote: He speaks as if he literally sees these intelligences and forces, which IMO are imaginary. Has it occured to you that it's *you* who could be in delusion about Robin's enlightenment and experiences? What would my delusion be, exactly? What do you think my beliefs are about Robin? Just out of curiosity, do you believe there is no intelligence nor any forces in the universe beyond your control and understanding? You speak as if he really had an enlightenment experience.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60 sharelong60@... wrote: I think it was Mike Dixon who had what I think is a plausible explanation from Charlie Lutes: that a person is carrying non physical gender qualities over from a previous life time. No, that had to do with homosexuals, not transgender individuals. Didn't make any sense for homosexuals, though. Charlie assumed homosexual men had feminine characteristics and homosexual women had masculine characteristics, an old stereotype that doesn't apply anywhere near across the board. And most homosexuals have no desire to be the opposite sex. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Seraphita s3raphita@ wrote: - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: Manning says she's always been a woman in her mind/psyche. This Manning chap becomes more embarrassing by the day. From the Wiki article on the US Military and gays I read: While restrictions on sexual orientation have been lifted, restrictions on gender identity remain in place due to Department of Defense regulations; transgender Americans thus continue to be barred from military service. Sorry Chelsea - you're in the wrong line of work. Not any more. She's been dishonorably discharged. She said she joined the Army to try to overcome her sense that she was a woman. Now that the trial is over and she's out of the Army, she's decided to go for it. FWIW, research is increasingly showing that gender dysphoria has biological causes. It's beginning to look as though a man, say, doesn't want to be a woman because he's screwed up, but is screwed up because he wants to be a woman. It's hard to imagine what it must be like to feel you're in the wrong kind of body and to know that everybody thinks you're someone you know you aren't--and for this to be the case from the time you were a very little kid. That would mess with anyone's mind.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years
The US military is highly discriminatory. How many blind snipers are there? How many paraplegic Navy SEALS. How many handicapped parking places are marked for tanks?The inhumanity of it! From: Seraphita s3raph...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 3:06 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years I see the Wikipedia entry on Manning has already been updated and refers to Bradley/Chelsea as she. Will the lady now be sent to a woman's prison? What larks! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Seraphita wrote: - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: Manning says she's always been a woman in her mind/psyche. This Manning chap becomes more embarrassing by the day. From the Wiki article on the US Military and gays I read: While restrictions on sexual orientation have been lifted, restrictions on gender identity remain in place due to Department of Defense regulations; transgender Americans thus continue to be barred from military service. Sorry Chelsea - you're in the wrong line of work.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years
Love it! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon wrote: The US military is highly discriminatory. How many blind snipers are there? How many paraplegic Navy SEALS. How many handicapped parking places are marked for tanks?The inhumanity of it!
[FairfieldLife] RE: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Seinfeld on Why He May Never Go Back to TV
below: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , emilymae.reyn wrote: Bob, yes, this is rough, but I think ready for the judge and thus I am initialing this (ER) with my blessing. I did find The 11 Steps on how to write a Love Song - maybe Raja Ravi would consider this as an appendix for Barry's reincarnation as Share's one and only, given his practice run in this life with brotherly affection. http://www.wikihow.com/Write-a-Love-Song http://www.wikihow.com/Write-a-Love-Song He should be able to come up with something at least as good as this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgT_us6AsDg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgT_us6AsDg ***Fingers crossed with the Raja, I know his standards are high. Now, upper level management has determined a few days of solitary confinement will do me good, now that the kid is finally back at college, so off I go. ***I understand, and that's probably my cue to take a powder. For your listening pleasure during your confinement: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-w9OclUnns http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-w9OclUnns And for your viewing pleasure, if you haven't already watched this lady. I'm interested in our Stone Age (as you know, it helps for those commercially inclined), more specifically the period 70,000 years ago when a small group of us may have made it out of Africa; along the Indian Ocean edge of the Arabian Peninsula (The Yemen and Oman) and eventually to India; after years of believing the Aryan invasion hypothesis I'm presently leaning more toward OIT; I enjoyed this series and was impressed with the presenter, an MD and anthropologist (not Simon Schama or Micheal Wood but worth the time---if you're interested). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwa6o-s1Yvs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwa6o-s1Yvs Do you think the wife would save me a sample? I want to look as good as Ann does. Emily. Not sure we could get anyone looking as good as Ann, but I've asked the wife to earmark a full set of samples for you for when we reach Seattle; this might be awhile as we're presently in Manhattan and like Sherman before her she has decided to head South before we go West. It's likely just as well as we're still working out some bugs on the latest offer, one causes the subject to grow antenna like---My Favorite Martian---whenever they encounter a male who is bullshitting them (I may not have mentioned, its a product for females); but I'm sure we'll have it ironed (there's that word again) out by the time we get to the Pacific Northwest. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QZioxCg20I http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QZioxCg20I --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , bobpriced wrote: Emily, Since it looks like Barry is currently in the middle of another Robin eruption, I thought it might be helpful to follow up on an invitation that Raja Ravi extended to us---to come up with a title for Barry's autobiography. I hope my submission is not too late; I've been preoccupied writing a press release for a revolutionary new product, the wife invented---that reverses the aging process. At the time of Raja Ravi's gracious invitation, Barry was tailgating Stephen King (not as badly as he tailgated Elmore Leonard, whose 10 writing rules he posted---before he seems to have read them---and then posted an 11th rule he made up himself to give himself cover after he realized that Leonard's 10 made him look like a hack) and some of his thoughts on first sentences; with that in mind, I thought I might offer a title, soundtrack and first sentence; they're rough as I haven't finished the press release yet, but---with your exceptional writing skills, that never disappoint---I trust you implicitly to edit and improve my humble offering before its submitted to the judges (Ravi). Title: *She was always on my mind*. Sound track: Always on my Mind http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7f189Z0v0Y http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7f189Z0v0Y Suggested first sentence of Barry's autobiography: Gravity became a kingly host, as my breathing fled my body for the last time---and Judy's life began flashing before my eyes---slowly, truly, like watching FIREFLY, for the tenth time---constantly rewinding my favorite scenes, saying: 'to hell with plot development, I need a hat like that', as I noticed---to my horror---and thought: 'no, this can't be true, it just can't be, I'm sure its not---God wouldn't do this to me; I know I behaved badly---like I was an eight year old, when I was pushing 70---and, like Bubbles DeVere, pretended crowds of people had complimented the first sentence of my *FREE* online book: Road Trip Mind, when it was only Maya, just before she hit me up for 10 Euros---to buy some bitter liquorice; OMG, what did I do to deserve this; that's definitely not Judy, it's, its---no it
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years
Re Feste 37: CNN is a liberal outlet? Surely you jest. Now, MSNBC, there's a liberal outlet. : I confess my ignorance of US news organisations. But a Google confirms your view of MSNBC. The one I always hear complained about is Fox for being right-wing. Isn't CNN Ted Turner's outfit? And isn't he a classic liberal? He was married to Hanoi Jane! He dubbed opponents of abortion bozos. What do you want him to do: enter into a gay marriage?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry Seinfeld on Why He May Never Go Back to TV
Correction: Arabian Sea edge of the Arabian Peninsula. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , bobpriced wrote: below: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Bob, yes, this is rough, but I think ready for the judge and thus I am initialing this (ER) with my blessing. I did find The 11 Steps on how to write a Love Song - maybe Raja Ravi would consider this as an appendix for Barry's reincarnation as Share's one and only, given his practice run in this life with brotherly affection. http://www.wikihow.com/Write-a-Love-Song http://www.wikihow.com/Write-a-Love-Song He should be able to come up with something at least as good as this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgT_us6AsDg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgT_us6AsDg ***Fingers crossed with the Raja, I know his standards are high. Now, upper level management has determined a few days of solitary confinement will do me good, now that the kid is finally back at college, so off I go. ***I understand, and that's probably my cue to take a powder. For your listening pleasure during your confinement: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-w9OclUnns http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-w9OclUnns And for your viewing pleasure, if you haven't already watched this lady. I'm interested in our Stone Age (as you know, it helps for those commercially inclined), more specifically the period 70,000 years ago when a small group of us may have made it out of Africa; along the Indian Ocean edge of the Arabian Peninsula (The Yemen and Oman) and eventually to India; after years of believing the Aryan invasion hypothesis I'm presently leaning more toward OIT; I enjoyed this series and was impressed with the presenter, an MD and anthropologist (not Simon Schama or Micheal Wood but worth the time---if you're interested). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwa6o-s1Yvs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwa6o-s1Yvs Do you think the wife would save me a sample? I want to look as good as Ann does. Emily. Not sure we could get anyone looking as good as Ann, but I've asked the wife to earmark a full set of samples for you for when we reach Seattle; this might be awhile as we're presently in Manhattan and like Sherman before her she has decided to head South before we go West. It's likely just as well as we're still working out some bugs on the latest offer, one causes the subject to grow antenna like---My Favorite Martian---whenever they encounter a male who is bullshitting them (I may not have mentioned, its a product for females); but I'm sure we'll have it ironed (there's that word again) out by the time we get to the Pacific Northwest. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QZioxCg20I http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QZioxCg20I --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Emily, Since it looks like Barry is currently in the middle of another Robin eruption, I thought it might be helpful to follow up on an invitation that Raja Ravi extended to us---to come up with a title for Barry's autobiography. I hope my submission is not too late; I've been preoccupied writing a press release for a revolutionary new product, the wife invented---that reverses the aging process. At the time of Raja Ravi's gracious invitation, Barry was tailgating Stephen King (not as badly as he tailgated Elmore Leonard, whose 10 writing rules he posted---before he seems to have read them---and then posted an 11th rule he made up himself to give himself cover after he realized that Leonard's 10 made him look like a hack) and some of his thoughts on first sentences; with that in mind, I thought I might offer a title, soundtrack and first sentence; they're rough as I haven't finished the press release yet, but---with your exceptional writing skills, that never disappoint---I trust you implicitly to edit and improve my humble offering before its submitted to the judges (Ravi). Title: *She was always on my mind*. Sound track: Always on my Mind http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7f189Z0v0Y http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7f189Z0v0Y Suggested first sentence of Barry's autobiography: Gravity became a kingly host, as my breathing fled my body for the last time---and Judy's life began flashing before my eyes---slowly, truly, like watching FIREFLY, for the tenth time---constantly rewinding my favorite scenes, saying: 'to hell with plot development, I need a hat like that', as I noticed---to my horror---and thought: 'no, this can't be true, it just can't be, I'm sure its not---God wouldn't do this to me; I know I behaved badly---like I was an eight year old, when I was pushing 70---and, like Bubbles DeVere, pretended crowds of people had complimented the
[FairfieldLife] Re: How the deluded see the world....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote: Ironic that the neuroscientists are completely unfamiliar with their conscious minds *not* being in a constant state of thought. White rats, chasing other white rats. A few moments of their own mental peace might turn their attention away from always studying undeveloped minds. It as if science can do no better than to validate an immature state of the mind, because the limited awareness of the scientists, cannot see any further. What a total waste of time. Not true Dr. Sam Harris, a neuroscientist discusses some of this: http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/whats-the-point-of-transcendence
[FairfieldLife] Re: How the deluded see the world....
Those claiming enlightenment should be able to offer comparative proof based upon something other than their own subjectivity or my guru/former guru sez. However, not only Robin but you also seem willfully uninformed about the subject as described by the texts of traditional advaita. Thus you ask - What good would it (have done/now do) to examine his experiences in light of other descriptions. Other descriptions are incidental since they are experiential and can not possibly self-certify knowledge. He might have compared his actual situation with knowledge in Vedanta and realized that no process of experience could ever be liberation nor could it ever give liberation or some so-called enlightenment. Were he was not indulging in self-delusion, he might have tried to find out more. Then again he was not taught more - nor apparently was he interested in learning more. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Yep, went back and read posts 312097 and 299555. I pointed out to the Muni of Monte Cassino (a number of times) that none of the descriptions of his purported Unity Consciousness conform to Shankara's explanations - whether in the BrahmaSutraBhasya, UpanishadBhasya or BhagavadGitaBhasya. Such grand enlightenment appears to have been Robin's own neo-Advaitic epiphanies later aggrandized and grafted upon Maharishi's explanations. Nuh-uh. Maharishi's teaching was where he first encountered explanations of enlightenment. Maharishi's descriptions themselves are a form of neo-yogic advaita and Robin was unwilling to tacitly match his own purported enlightenment with the explanations of traditional advaita. Right. He was a disciple of Maharishi. He wouldn't even continue a conversation bringing it up for consideration. This unwillingness was, for me, a clue to Robin's delusive self-absorption . Actually it was completely irrelevant. Think about it for a minute. What good would it have done him at this point to consider matching his experience with that of other descriptions? What good would it have done him back then, for that matter? You've really never made any sense on this topic, empty.
[FairfieldLife] Re: How the deluded see the world....
An excellent summary from Sam Harris. Thanks. What I like about Sam is that he modifies his views on the basis of evidence. For example, on a follow-up link on the article you posted he discusses psychedelics and says : Unfortunately, Huxley was operating under the erroneous assumption that psychedelics decrease brain activity. However, modern techniques of neuro-imaging have shown that these drugs tend to increase activity in many regions of the cortex (and in subcortical structures as well). Then he's added a later note: [Note 1/24/12: a recent study on psilocybin actually lends some support to Huxley's view.SH] Lord! How I wish that more people could be as open and honest as Harris. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius wrote: Not true Dr. Sam Harris, a neuroscientist discusses some of this: http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/whats-the-point-of-transcendence
[FairfieldLife] Got a job interview coming up?
You might thank me for this one day. Power poses that will boost your career:http://tinyurl.com/l4ouapm http://tinyurl.com/l4ouapm
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pfc. Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60 sharelong60@... wrote: I think it was Mike Dixon who had what I think is a plausible explanation from Charlie Lutes: that a person is carrying non physical gender qualities over from a previous life time. plausible is funny here. If I were to mention this theory to 90% of the people I know they would think this was a lot of things but plausible wouldn't be one of them. You seem to assume that most people believe in reincarnation --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Seraphita s3raphita@ wrote: - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: Manning says she's always been a woman in her mind/psyche. This Manning chap becomes more embarrassing by the day. From the Wiki article on the US Military and gays I read: While restrictions on sexual orientation have been lifted, restrictions on gender identity remain in place due to Department of Defense regulations; transgender Americans thus continue to be barred from military service. Sorry Chelsea - you're in the wrong line of work. Not any more. She's been dishonorably discharged. She said she joined the Army to try to overcome her sense that she was a woman. Now that the trial is over and she's out of the Army, she's decided to go for it. FWIW, research is increasingly showing that gender dysphoria has biological causes. It's beginning to look as though a man, say, doesn't want to be a woman because he's screwed up, but is screwed up because he wants to be a woman. It's hard to imagine what it must be like to feel you're in the wrong kind of body and to know that everybody thinks you're someone you know you aren't--and for this to be the case from the time you were a very little kid. That would mess with anyone's mind.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Got a job interview coming up?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Seraphita s3raphita@... wrote: You might thank me for this one day. Power poses that will boost your career:http://tinyurl.com/l4ouapm http://tinyurl.com/l4ouapm Those are funny. I don't think any of them are power poses. Half of them make someone look like an arrogant ass and the other half make them look just plain silly.
[FairfieldLife] Google? There is an alternative . . .
Yahoo websites attracted more US visitors than Google in July, according to the most recent internet traffic numbers. A victory for Google's first female engineer, Marissa Mayer, who left Google to become CEO of Yahoo. Google are becoming a bit creepy and nosy-parkerish aren't they?
