date:20131114

Seraphita, I think it's even possible that our future, way more evolved selves 
can, if needed, help our present day selves. I think Now contains past and 
future and it's just a matter of sufficient brain development for us to be able 
to live that reality. For example, finding old photos of ourselves can prompt 
us to put our attention helpfully on our younger self. That was an experience I 
had when my Mom accidently found pictures of my 9th birthday party.





On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 9:55 PM, s3raph...@yahoo.com 
s3raph...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  
Reand thank God, it is from the past. Or as you said, to paraphrase, a 
parallel slipstream, of space-time, easily engaged if one is open to whatever 
comes:

There's a interesting possibility raised by this line of reasoning, isn't 
there? If one's present self can recall a past-life experience, can't your 
past-life incarnation experience your present-day self? And the obvious end 
game I'm aiming for is: couldn't you today also experience a future incarnation?


---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:


Yeah, I tend to see the flashy experiences the same way, *that* they are 
happening, and how to make that relevant to daily life, vs. getting hung up on 
the forensics. Practical application, whether it be immediate, or a longer term 
learning.

I really appreciated your clear as day recollections of your soul/dharmic 
thread/jiva's past lives. You made it come alive, with this last recollection, 
horribly, yet I could really see it, and thank God, it is from the past. Or as 
you said, to paraphrase, a parallel slipstream, of space-time, easily engaged 
if one is open to whatever comes. 




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:


 If you had a flashback that convinced you you were Jack the Ripper in a 
 previous life should you hand yourself in to the police? 
 Could you count on the statute of limitations getting you off the hook? 
  Could you claim in mitigation that you weren't yourself when you committed 
 the murders? 

I'm going to comment on this, and leave the musings below to others. No 
offense, but the above stuff is way funny, and creative, and that tickles my 
funny bone. But -- having kinda been there done that with this experience -- 
theorizing about it doesn't really float my boat. 

I'm like that with many of my most interesting spiritual experiences. I was 
there. I experienced these things, some of them that fall into the Blade 
Runner I've seen things you people wouldn't believe category. But I can't 
tell you definitively what they were. Heck, I'm still trying to figure many of 
them out myself. 

Maybe it's a Buddhist thang. They were never all that interested in the why 
things are happening, only in *that* they are happening, and how to make the 
best of that. I'm kinda drawn that way myself. 


  No one picked up on my alternative suggestion that memories of previous 
 lives could be explained not by any one individual going through a serial 
 succession of different life stories but rather could be explained as 
 someone accessing our common, racial memory. 
  By what mechanism? 
  1) Occultists talk about shells of the dead left behind in the astral 
 realm. Really, though, the shells are used to explain what mediums access 
 when they contact the recently deceased. The shells dissipate over time so 
 wouldn't explain distant memories. 
  2) Memories are passed on through our DNA by some unknown mechanism? (This 
 wouldn't work for Michael's recall of being a pious hermit in medieval 
 France - unless he had a relapse into sinful passions - monks don't have 
 kids.) Of course, the further back in time you peer the more common 
 ancestors we all have. 
  3) All human (and non-human) life experiences are stored in the Akashic 
 Records. This looks the most promising line to take. 
  The advantage of this theory - that past-life memories are simply people 
 accessing the Akashic field - are: 
  (i) It explains why more than one person can claim to have memories of an 
 historical figure. 
  (ii) It fits better Buddhist ideas of anatta. 
  (iii) It explains why Cleopatra pops up so much; her thumbprint on the 
 Akashic field is bigger than most peoples. 
 
 
 
 ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@ wrote: 
 
  fwiw, I figured we had all been in a previous life together and then a 
 healer mentioned that out of the blue about a month ago. My intuition says 
 Atlantis but I've not had any experiences to confirm. Hope we get it right 
 this time around (-: 
 
 
 
  On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 10:47 AM, TurquoiseB turquoiseb@ wrote: 
 
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: 
  
  Sounds like a dream while being awake. Any slippage into another time 
  dimension makes it seem probable these dimensions exist simultaneously 
  with the present. 
 
 Personally, I suspect this is the case. That is, that all of

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: OMG: viveka, vivekin?

emptybill, thanks for taking the time to explain this in more detail. I think 
of space, etc. as simple so couldn't connect that to chaos. But maybe to 
primitive peoples the skies seemed very chaotic with changing weather patterns, 
etc. I like to imagine those moments when the first cave person had a different 
association with a sound like kha. I like to wonder about the journey from hole 
to sky/ether/space to chaos. 





On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 8:49 PM, emptyb...@yahoo.com 
emptyb...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  
Professor Troll couldn't read so here are some Wiki Holes.

Sukah and Dukha: the good and bad of it (FWIW).


Contemporary scholar Winthrop Sargeant explains the etymological roots of these 
terms as follows:[45] 
The ancient Aryans who brought the Sanskrit language to India were a nomadic, 
horse- and cattle-breeding people who travelled in horse- or 
ox-drawn vehicles. Su and dus are prefixes indicating good or bad. The word 
kha, in later Sanskrit meaning sky, ether, or space, was originally 
the word for hole, particularly an axle hole of one of the Aryan's 
vehicles. Thus sukha … meant, originally, having a good axle hole, while 
duhkha meant having a poor axle hole, leading to discomfort.
 


---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote:


So, you don't know any Tibetan - I thought so. 

This has got to be one of the most misleading and silly answers to
  a simple yoga question I've ever read on FFL or a.m.t. You'd
  expect a guy that has spent almost his entire adult life studying
  with gurus and rinpoches to at least know one single word in
  Tibetan. Go figure.

According to the Cologne Sanskrit Lexicon, the term 'dukkha' in
  Sanskrit, Pali and Tibetan is a Buddhist term commonly translated
  as 'suffering', one of the most important concepts in the Buddhist
  tradition. In the Yoga Sutras the term vivek means 'a wise man'. 

All is suffering for the wise man (Y.S. 2.15). 

The most ancient sustained expression of yogic ideas is found in
  the early discourses of the historical Buddha, thus Patanjali's 
  conception of freedom is related to the ancient Buddhist view that
  the source of suffering is the craving for permanence in a
  universe of impermanence. 

Both the 'Four Noble Truths' and the 'Eightfold Path' articulated
  in the Buddha's first discourse are elements that underlie the
  yoga system. Two striking examples of this are Patanjali's use of
  the word 'nirodha' in the opening definition of yoga as
  'citta-vrtti-nirodha', that is, 'Yoga is the cessation of the
  turnings of thought' and the statement that all is suffering,
  dukkha, for the wise man.

According to Stoler-Miller, dukkha, suffering, and nirodha,
  cessation, are crucial terms in Buddhist vocabulary and the
  doctrine of suffering is the core of what Buddhists believe the
  Buddha taught after gaining enlightenment. Patanjali's ashtang
  eight-limbed practice is parallel to the eight-limbed path of
  Buddha.

Work cited:

'Yoga: Discipline of Freedom'
by Barbara Stoler-Miller
Acclaimed translator of the Bhagavad Gita.
Bantam Wisdom Editions 1998
p. 5, 52.


On 11/12/2013 8:48 PM, emptybill@... wrote:

  
Musta meant axle-rod. 





---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote:


 Dukha is the opposite of sukha. Kha as in Chaos
(khaos).
 It literally means a bad (du) axle-hole vs good
(su) axle-hole.


Who exactly are you calling an axle-hole? :-)



 ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@ wrote:

 Card, I can see at least 2 ways to interpret
this quote. One possible

meaning is that for the person in CC, there is the infinite Self and the
finite non Self and that duality itself causes misery.
OR the person in
CC realizes that all, meaning the world, is a field of
change, misery
rather than of permanent bliss.


 In another quote, Maharishi translates dukham
as danger: avert the

danger which has not arisen. Heyam dukham anagatam.



 On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 2:31 AM,
cardemaister@ cardemaister@

wrote:


 According to YS II 15: [blah blah
blah...]...duHkham eva sarvam

vivekinaH ... everything (sarvam) [is] only (eva) duHkha for a vivekin.



 duHkha 1 mfn. (according to grammarians
properly written %{duS-kha}

and said to be from %{dus} and %{kha} [cf. %{su-kha4}] ; but more
probably a Pra1kritized form for %{duH-stha} q.v.)
uneasy ,
uncomfortable , unpleasant , difficult R. Hariv.
(compar. %{-tara} MBh.
R.) ; n. (ifc. f. %{A}) uneasiness , pain , sorrow ,
trouble ,
difficulty S3Br. xiv ,



 Taimni: To the people who have developed
discrimination (viveka) all

is misery...



 So, is a

Re: [FairfieldLife] Still crazy -- and alive -- after all these years?

Some people like Andy K are human zazen sticks, ever ready to whack the 
unconscious ones into consciousness! One such clueless victim was on MIU staff 
and working in a VIP dining room during a special event weekend. Andy came very 
late to dinner and all the food, etc. had been cleared away. Clueless One asked 
Andy if he wanted some food. He said just a bowl of vanilla ice cream would be 
great. Clueless One fetched it and then asked if Andy wanted company while he 
ate. Ah, the folly of youth! Anyway, Andy said yes and they proceeded to chat 
while he ate his ice cream dinner. Then he announced that he had to go meet his 
wife! Whack! 





On Thursday, November 14, 2013 3:44 AM, TurquoiseB turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  
Andy Kaufman, that is. 

http://defamer.gawker.com/is-andy-kaufman-still-alive-1463790778 

This sounds like *exactly* the kind of stunt Andy would have dreamed up, and 
arranged to have played out by accomplices before his death. If he ever died. 

He was, after all, one weird dude, into fucking with people's minds as 
performance art. 

I remember one day at the TM center at 1015 Gayley. Andy had been hanging 
around much of the day, helping around the center. At one point, an 
unsuspecting meditator (the victim) came up to him and said, Andy, do you know 
that the price tag for your pants is still attached to them, and hanging out in 
back?

Andy pretended to be surprised, feeling around behind his back, discovering the 
offending tag, and ripping it off. Then he proceeded to melt down. 

First he got visibly upset, saying things like Oh my god! Have I really been 
walking around like this all day? How embarrassing. Then he got more and more 
embarrassed, and more and more upset, and finally started weeping and crying, 
laying on the ground and beating his hands and fists in a perfect impression of 
a child having a tantrum.

All this time, the poor victim was feeling worse and worse and worse, and 
starting to wish he'd never been born, let alone mentioned the tag. He ran off, 
close to tears himself. 

At which point Andy stood up and admitted it had all been a gag, and that he'd 
been waiting for someone to mention the tag all day. 

Suffice it to say his idea of funny was not the same as everyone else's.

[FairfieldLife] RE: OMG: viveka, vivekin?

2013-11-14 Thread emptybill

Now you can understand how the local dravidians ported over the word ho to 
apply to their gender opposites. 

 

 

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote:

 emptybill, thanks for taking the time to explain this in more detail. I think 
of space, etc. as simple so couldn't connect that to chaos. But maybe to 
primitive peoples the skies seemed very chaotic with changing weather patterns, 
etc. I like to imagine those moments when the first cave person had a different 
association with a sound like kha. I like to wonder about the journey from hole 
to sky/ether/space to chaos. 
 

 
 
 On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 8:49 PM, emptybill@... emptybill@... wrote:
 
   Professor Troll couldn't read so here are some Wiki Holes.
 

 Sukah and Dukha: the good and bad of it (FWIW).

 

 Contemporary scholar Winthrop Sargeant explains the etymological roots of 
these terms as follows:[45] 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dukkha#cite_note-FOOTNOTESargeant2009303-73 
 The ancient Aryans who brought the Sanskrit language to India were a nomadic, 
horse- and cattle-breeding people who travelled in horse- or ox-drawn vehicles. 
Su and dus are prefixes indicating good or bad. The word kha, in later Sanskrit 
meaning sky, ether, or space, was originally the word for hole, 
particularly an axle hole of one of the Aryan's vehicles. Thus sukha … meant, 
originally, having a good axle hole, while duhkha meant having a poor axle 
hole, leading to discomfort.  
 

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote:

 So, you don't know any Tibetan - I thought so. 
 
 This has got to be one of the most misleading and silly answers to a simple 
yoga question I've ever read on FFL or a.m.t. You'd expect a guy that has spent 
almost his entire adult life studying with gurus and rinpoches to at least know 
one single word in Tibetan. Go figure.
 
 According to the Cologne Sanskrit Lexicon, the term 'dukkha' in Sanskrit, Pali 
and Tibetan is a Buddhist term commonly translated as 'suffering', one of the 
most important concepts in the Buddhist tradition. In the Yoga Sutras the term 
vivek means 'a wise man'. 
 
 All is suffering for the wise man (Y.S. 2.15). 
 
 The most ancient sustained expression of yogic ideas is found in the early 
discourses of the historical Buddha, thus Patanjali's  conception of freedom is 
related to the ancient Buddhist view that the source of suffering is the 
craving for permanence in a universe of impermanence. 
 
 Both the 'Four Noble Truths' and the 'Eightfold Path' articulated in the 
Buddha's first discourse are elements that underlie the yoga system. Two 
striking examples of this are Patanjali's use of the word 'nirodha' in the 
opening definition of yoga as 'citta-vrtti-nirodha', that is, 'Yoga is the 
cessation of the turnings of thought' and the statement that all is suffering, 
dukkha, for the wise man.
 
 According to Stoler-Miller, dukkha, suffering, and nirodha, cessation, are 
crucial terms in Buddhist vocabulary and the doctrine of suffering is the core 
of what Buddhists believe the Buddha taught after gaining enlightenment. 
Patanjali's ashtang eight-limbed practice is parallel to the eight-limbed path 
of Buddha.
 
 Work cited:
 
 'Yoga: Discipline of Freedom'
 by Barbara Stoler-Miller
 Acclaimed translator of the Bhagavad Gita.
 Bantam Wisdom Editions 1998
 p. 5, 52.
 
 On 11/12/2013 8:48 PM, emptybill@... mailto:emptybill@... wrote:
 
   Musta meant axle-rod. 
 
 
 
 
 
 ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, 
turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote:
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
wrote:
 
  Dukha is the opposite of sukha. Kha as in Chaos (khaos).
  It literally means a bad (du) axle-hole vs good (su) axle-hole.
 
 Who exactly are you calling an axle-hole? :-)
 
 
  ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, 
  sharelong60@ wrote:
 
  Card, I can see at least 2 ways to interpret this quote. One possible
 meaning is that for the person in CC, there is the infinite Self and the
 finite non Self and that duality itself causes misery. OR the person in
 CC realizes that all, meaning the world, is a field of change, misery
 rather than of permanent bliss.
 
  In another quote, Maharishi translates dukham as danger: avert the
 danger which has not arisen. Heyam dukham anagatam.
 
 
  On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 2:31 AM, cardemaister@ cardemaister@
 wrote:
 
  According to YS II 15: [blah blah blah...]...duHkham eva sarvam
 vivekinaH ... everything (sarvam) [is] only (eva) duHkha for a vivekin.
 
 
  duHkha 1 mfn. (according to grammarians properly written %{duS-kha}
 and said to be from %{dus} and %{kha} [cf. %{su-kha4}] ; but more
 probably a Pra1kritized form for %{duH-stha} q.v.) uneasy ,
 uncomfortable , unpleasant , difficult R. Hariv. (compar. %{-tara} MBh.
 R.) ; n. (ifc. f. %{A}) uneasiness , pain , sorrow , trouble ,
 difficulty S3Br. xiv ,

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: OMG: viveka, vivekin?

Apparently several people missed out on the tantric implications of the 
'bad axel-hole' reference posted by emptybill. My question is: why would 
Uncle Tantra want to play a pun on emtybill's axel-rod with a comment 
about his own 'axel-hole'? Is this a dating site now? Go figure.


On 11/13/2013 12:22 PM, Share Long wrote:
Richard-san, so sorry but you are totally missing the tantric 
implications of all this. imho (-:




On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 12:19 PM, Richard J. Williams 
pundits...@gmail.com wrote:
It looks like you've posted the most insightful reply to Card's query. 
Good work, Share!


Now this is funny, you've got to admit: a discussion group composed of 
numerous wise men (vivekins), tantrics, yogis, adepts, fakirs, and 
life-long seekers apparently didn't even know the primary word in 
Hinduism or Buddhism. One guy thought it meant a 'bad axel-hole', and 
the other guy got offended, now the first guy said it was 'axel-rod'. 
Now that's really funny!


On 11/13/2013 9:50 AM, Share Long wrote:
Richard a prayer for you: Lord, please grant me the serenity to 
accept the things I cannot change; the courage to change the things I 
can; and the wisdom to know the difference.


PS Do you really want us to all post alike?! Why not enjoy the buffet 
that is FFL?




On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 8:28 AM, Richard J. Williams 
pundits...@gmail.com mailto:pundits...@gmail.com wrote:
What would it take to get you guys to look something up before you 
post your message and waste our time and take up band space? Not all 
of us are here just to make fun of Hindus.


Are there  any serious writers on this forum - I mean other than an 
editor, a few coders, and a baker? I'm beginning to think nobody, 
except the Cardmiester, on this list has ever even read Patajali's 
Yoga Sutras - even in English translation. This is starting to look 
like a total waste of time anymore. Have any of you guys ever thought 
about using Twitter for your one-liners? Go figure.


Dukkha (Pali; Sanskrit: dukkha; Tibetan sdug bsngal) is a Buddhist 
term commonly translated as suffering, anxiety, stress, or 
unsatisfactoriness. The principle of dukkha is one of the most 
important concepts in the Buddhist tradition. The Buddha is reputed 
to have said: I have taught one thing and one thing only, dukkha and 
the cessation of dukkha. The classic formulation of these teachings 
on dukkha is the doctrine of the Four Noble Truths, in which the 
Truth of Dukkha (Pali: dukkha saccã; Sanskrit: du?kha-satya) is 
identified as the first of the four truths.


Source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dukkha

On 11/12/2013 8:52 PM, Share Long wrote:

Well, empty, good to keep those rods and holes connected, imho



On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 8:48 PM, emptyb...@yahoo.com 
mailto:emptyb...@yahoo.com emptyb...@yahoo.com 
mailto:emptyb...@yahoo.com wrote:

Musta meant axle-rod.



---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com 
mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... 
mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote:



 Dukha is the opposite of sukha. Kha as in Chaos (khaos).
 It literally means a bad (du) axle-hole vs good (su) axle-hole.

Who exactly are you calling an axle-hole? :-)


 ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com
mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@ wrote:

 Card, I can see at least 2 ways to interpret this quote. One
possible

meaning is that for the person in CC, there is the infinite Self and the
finite non Self and that duality itself causes misery. OR the person in
CC realizes that all, meaning the world, is a field of change, misery
rather than of permanent bliss.


 In another quote, Maharishi translates dukham as danger: avert the

danger which has not arisen. Heyam dukham anagatam.



 On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 2:31 AM, cardemaister@
cardemaister@

wrote:


 According to YS II 15: [blah blah blah...]...duHkham eva sarvam

vivekinaH ... everything (sarvam) [is] only (eva) duHkha for a vivekin.



 duHkha 1 mfn. (according to grammarians properly written
%{duS-kha}

and said to be from %{dus} and %{kha} [cf. %{su-kha4}] ; but more
probably a Pra1kritized form for %{duH-stha} q.v.) uneasy ,
uncomfortable , unpleasant , difficult R. Hariv. (compar. %{-tara} MBh.
R.) ; n. (ifc. f. %{A}) uneasiness , pain , sorrow , trouble ,
difficulty S3Br. xiv ,



 Taimni: To the people who have developed discrimination
(viveka) all

is misery...



 So, is a vivekin at least in CC?


 Is the meaning of viveka approximately the same in yoga and

advaita-vedaanta?

[FairfieldLife] RE: Still crazy -- and alive -- after all these years?

Were you the clueless one? I don't think whoever that was was all that 
clueless, just maybe hopeful? I don't think Andy had a wife then, he started to 
date quite seriously a friend of mine at the time (1981 or so when he was 
spending so much time out there on some course or other.) I had already 
graduated and was working at Peggy O'Neills restaurant on the square. I 
remember we had one of our usual after closing wild dance parties and dancing 
to an entire B52's album while Andy just sat staring at us dancers from a 
darkened booth. He was a pretty quiet dude (when he wasn't  having faux melt 
downs about unsnipped clothing tags.)
 

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote:

 Some people like Andy K are human zazen sticks, ever ready to whack the 
unconscious ones into consciousness! One such clueless victim was on MIU staff 
and working in a VIP dining room during a special event weekend. Andy came very 
late to dinner and all the food, etc. had been cleared away. Clueless One asked 
Andy if he wanted some food. He said just a bowl of vanilla ice cream would be 
great. Clueless One fetched it and then asked if Andy wanted company while he 
ate. Ah, the folly of youth! Anyway, Andy said yes and they proceeded to chat 
while he ate his ice cream dinner. Then he announced that he had to go meet his 
wife! Whack! 
 

 
 
 On Thursday, November 14, 2013 3:44 AM, TurquoiseB turquoiseb@... wrote:
 
   Andy Kaufman, that is. 

http://defamer.gawker.com/is-andy-kaufman-still-alive-1463790778 
http://defamer.gawker.com/is-andy-kaufman-still-alive-1463790778 

This sounds like *exactly* the kind of stunt Andy would have dreamed up, and 
arranged to have played out by accomplices before his death. If he ever died. 

He was, after all, one weird dude, into fucking with people's minds as 
performance art. 

I remember one day at the TM center at 1015 Gayley. Andy had been hanging 
around much of the day, helping around the center. At one point, an 
unsuspecting meditator (the victim) came up to him and said, Andy, do you know 
that the price tag for your pants is still attached to them, and hanging out in 
back?

Andy pretended to be surprised, feeling around behind his back, discovering the 
offending tag, and ripping it off. Then he proceeded to melt down. 

First he got visibly upset, saying things like Oh my god! Have I really been 
walking around like this all day? How embarrassing. Then he got more and more 
embarrassed, and more and more upset, and finally started weeping and crying, 
laying on the ground and beating his hands and fists in a perfect impression of 
a child having a tantrum.

All this time, the poor victim was feeling worse and worse and worse, and 
starting to wish he'd never been born, let alone mentioned the tag. He ran off, 
close to tears himself. 

At which point Andy stood up and admitted it had all been a gag, and that he'd 
been waiting for someone to mention the tag all day. 

Suffice it to say his idea of funny was not the same as everyone else's.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Hitler - our part in his rise


It's not complicated.

Rule number three should really be rule number one: try to make yourself 
look good on the internet.


If you're interested in Hitler, send your messages to the Nazi group.
If you're a Nazi and an admirer of Hitler, don't send messages about 
Hitler to a spiritual group.
Don't send inflammatory messages to a spiritual group extolling the face 
hair of the guy that killed six million Jews.



On 11/13/2013 12:22 PM, Share Long wrote:

Jeez, Richard, I feel exhausted to reading all these rules!



On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 11:56 AM, Richard J. Williams 
pundits...@gmail.com wrote:
Yeah, I'm with Buck on this one. There's probably no need to send 
anonymous, nonsensical posts about Adolph Hitler's face hair to a 
spiritual discussion group. Maybe it's time to review a few netiquette 
protocols:


1. Don't send inflammatory messages to the discussion group.
2. Make sure to send your message to the appropriate group.
3. Try to make yourself look good on the internet.

Notes: Send messages about Hitler to the Nazi group; send messages 
about Hitler's face hair to the Veterans Day thread; don't send 
messages about planes to the locomotive group. Make yourself look good 
by sending thoughtful or insightful messages about the topic at hand 
and try to stay on topic.  Try to be original and informative.


http://www.albion.com/netiquette/rule5.html

On 11/13/2013 9:28 AM, Share Long wrote:
Ahem, Richard, your post seems to be one of those one liners you rant 
about. Go figure!




On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 8:32 AM, Richard J. Williams 
pundits...@gmail.com mailto:pundits...@gmail.com wrote:

Addressing the important issues!

On 11/12/2013 9:39 PM, s3raph...@yahoo.com 
mailto:s3raph...@yahoo.com wrote:
Hitler preferred a curly Prussian style moustache but was ordered 
to clip it during WWI so that it would fit under the gas masks 
introduced to defend against British mustard-gas attacks.


Didn't save the bastard though: he was blinded in a Brit gas attack 
in 1918.


http://tinyurl.com/bnmsjr

[FairfieldLife] RE: Hitler - our part in his rise

 
 

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote:

 It's not complicated. 
 
 Rule number three should really be rule number one: try to make yourself look 
good on the internet.
 
 If you're interested in Hitler, send your messages to the Nazi group.
 If you're a Nazi and an admirer of Hitler, don't send messages about Hitler to 
a spiritual group.
 Don't send inflammatory messages to a spiritual group extolling the face hair 
of the guy that killed six million Jews.
 

 If you have brown hair that is currently grey and the moon is in the seventh 
house and Jupiter aligns with Mars but your mother divorced at the age of 45 
make your posts in orange and avoid stepping in puddles. On the other hand, if 
it's raining and your father wore suspenders make sure all posts appear in 
italics but only on Mondays - any other day you can go freestylin'. Got it 
Willy? Now don't disobey or I'm going to bore you with my scolding and my rules 
from now until eternity.
 
 
 On 11/13/2013 12:22 PM, Share Long wrote:
 
   Jeez, Richard, I feel exhausted to reading all these rules!
 
 
 
 
 On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 11:56 AM, Richard J. Williams punditster@... 
mailto:punditster@... wrote:
 
   
 Yeah, I'm with Buck on this one. There's probably no need to send anonymous, 
nonsensical posts about Adolph Hitler's face hair to a spiritual discussion 
group. Maybe it's time to review a few netiquette protocols:
 
 1. Don't send inflammatory messages to the discussion group.
 2. Make sure to send your message to the appropriate group.
 3. Try to make yourself look good on the internet.
 
 Notes: Send messages about Hitler to the Nazi group; send messages about 
Hitler's face hair to the Veterans Day thread; don't send messages about planes 
to the locomotive group. Make yourself look good by sending thoughtful or 
insightful messages about the topic at hand and try to stay on topic.  Try to 
be original and informative.
 
 http://www.albion.com/netiquette/rule5.html 
http://www.albion.com/netiquette/rule5.html
 
 On 11/13/2013 9:28 AM, Share Long wrote:
 
   Ahem, Richard, your post seems to be one of those one liners you rant about. 
Go figure!
 
 
 
 
 On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 8:32 AM, Richard J. Williams punditster@... 
mailto:punditster@... wrote:
 
   
 Addressing the important issues!
 
 On 11/12/2013 9:39 PM, s3raphita@... mailto:s3raphita@... wrote:
 
   Hitler preferred a curly Prussian style moustache but was ordered to clip 
it during WWI so that it would fit under the gas masks introduced to defend 
against British mustard-gas attacks.
 
 
 Didn't save the bastard though: he was blinded in a Brit gas attack in 1918.
 
 
 http://tinyurl.com/bnmsjr http://tinyurl.com/bnmsjr

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendental Meditation Revolutionary Mission:

This is a very weak defense of your beliefs. As a Buddhist you should 
already know that the Buddha's rationale for teaching hinged on the fact 
that he became enlightened  - and the nature of his enlightenment.


According to the Buddha himself, at the moment he became enlightened he 
saw all his previous lives and all his future lives and the pain and 
suffering he had already endured for eons and the pain and suffering he 
was to endure in the future. And, he saw in one fell swoop all the 
suffering that all humans will endure, past and present and future. At 
that moment he realized the truth of suffering (samsara), action (karma) 
and rebirth (reincarnation) and how to end suffering following an 
Eightfold Path.


The Buddha at that moment realized that everything happens for a reason; 
because of this, that occurs. Just like in a game of billiards depends 
on cause and effect and gravity sucks. It's not complicated.


So, we know that causation rules the physical world, but is there a 
moral reciprocity as well? It's always best to err on the side of 
caution. That's why Buddhists are supposed to be compassionate and to do 
no harm. You left out the reason why you were seeking the spiritual 
life! Is it for you own gain or for the benefit of others? That's the 
real question.


. And what was the On 11/13/2013 1:17 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote:

 If you had a flashback that convinced you you were Jack the Ripper 
in a previous life should you hand yourself in to the police?

 Could you count on the statute of limitations getting you off the hook?
 Could you claim in mitigation that you weren't yourself when you 
committed the murders?


I'm going to comment on this, and leave the musings below to others. 
No offense, but the above stuff is way funny, and creative, and that 
tickles my funny bone. But -- having kinda been there done that with 
this experience -- theorizing about it doesn't really float my boat.


I'm like that with many of my most interesting spiritual experiences. 
I was there. I experienced these things, some of them that fall into 
the Blade Runner I've seen things you people wouldn't believe 
category. But I can't tell you definitively what they were. Heck, I'm 
still trying to figure many of them out myself.


Maybe it's a Buddhist thang. They were never all that interested in 
the why things are happening, only in *that* they are happening, and 
how to make the best of that. I'm kinda drawn that way myself.


 No one picked up on my alternative suggestion that memories of 
previous lives could be explained not by any one individual going 
through a serial succession of different life stories but rather could 
be explained as someone accessing our common, racial memory.

 By what mechanism?
 1) Occultists talk about shells of the dead left behind in the 
astral realm. Really, though, the shells are used to explain what 
mediums access when they contact the recently deceased. The shells 
dissipate over time so wouldn't explain distant memories.
 2) Memories are passed on through our DNA by some unknown mechanism? 
(This wouldn't work for Michael's recall of being a pious hermit in 
medieval France - unless he had a relapse into sinful passions - monks 
don't have kids.) Of course, the further back in time you peer the 
more common ancestors we all have.
 3) All human (and non-human) life experiences are stored in the 
Akashic Records. This looks the most promising line to take.
 The advantage of this theory - that past-life memories are simply 
people accessing the Akashic field - are:
 (i) It explains why more than one person can claim to have memories 
of an historical figure.

 (ii) It fits better Buddhist ideas of anatta.
 (iii) It explains why Cleopatra pops up so much; her thumbprint on 
the Akashic field is bigger than most peoples.




 ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@ wrote:

 fwiw, I figured we had all been in a previous life together and then 
a healer mentioned that out of the blue about a month ago. My 
intuition says Atlantis but I've not had any experiences to confirm. 
Hope we get it right this time around (-:




 On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 10:47 AM, TurquoiseB turquoiseb@ wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote:
 
  Sounds like a dream while being awake. Any slippage into another 
time dimension makes it seem probable these dimensions exist 
simultaneously with the present.


 Personally, I suspect this is the case. That is, that all of these 
events are happening simultaneously, and that something just 
occasionally enables us to step from one pseudo-timestream to another.


  I wonder what it is in our brains or in the frequency of the 
dimensions called time that causes a momentary ability to be able to 
see sine past event. And are you sure it is a former you that is 
participating or simply the current you who has slipped, temporarily, 
into another time frequency and can simply see

Re: [FairfieldLife] Hitler - our part in his rise


You really stayed up late last night! So, it's all about Richard.

Yes, I know how difficult it is to follow a few simple rules of 
netiquette, but I don't make up these rules, they're just basic rules 
that make it easier to communicate in a discussion group. It's not 
complicated.


1. Try not to get too personal when dialoging with others.
2. Try to post some informative information.
3. Skip posts sent by those you're not interested in.
4. Don't waste band space posting one-liner messages about subscribers 
that you don't read.
5. Don't stay up all night reading discussion groups - get some sleep so 
you'll be able to go to work the next day and remain alert.


On 11/13/2013 1:27 PM, emilymae...@yahoo.com wrote:


You'd already worn yourself out conversing with him.  Reading Richard 
is tiring.




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote:

See how exhausted I was?! I couldn't even construct a sensible 
sentence! correction:

Jeez, Richard, I feel exhausted just reading all these rules!



On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 12:22 PM, Share Long sharelong60@... 
wrote:

Jeez, Richard, I feel exhausted to reading all these rules!



On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 11:56 AM, Richard J. Williams 
punditster@... wrote:
Yeah, I'm with Buck on this one. There's probably no need to send 
anonymous, nonsensical posts about Adolph Hitler's face hair to a 
spiritual discussion group. Maybe it's time to review a few netiquette 
protocols:


1. Don't send inflammatory messages to the discussion group.
2. Make sure to send your message to the appropriate group.
3. Try to make yourself look good on the internet.

Notes: Send messages about Hitler to the Nazi group; send messages 
about Hitler's face hair to the Veterans Day thread; don't send 
messages about planes to the locomotive group. Make yourself look good 
by sending thoughtful or insightful messages about the topic at hand 
and try to stay on topic.  Try to be original and informative.


http://www.albion.com/netiquette/rule5.html

On 11/13/2013 9:28 AM, Share Long wrote:

Ahem, Richard, your post seems to be one of those one liners you rant 
about. Go figure!




On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 8:32 AM, Richard J. Williams 
punditster@... mailto:punditster@... wrote:

Addressing the important issues!

On 11/12/2013 9:39 PM, s3raphita@... mailto:s3raphita@... wrote:
Hitler preferred a curly Prussian style moustache but was ordered 
to clip it during WWI so that it would fit under the gas masks 
introduced to defend against British mustard-gas attacks.


Didn't save the bastard though: he was blinded in a Brit gas attack 
in 1918.


http://tinyurl.com/bnmsjr

Re: [FairfieldLife] Acronym Test


   = __o
  \`,
= (*) % (*)
~

On 11/13/2013 2:13 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:


Out of necessity today, I created a new Net acronym. I needed to say 
Whatever The Fuck, and needed all those letters to do it. So here's 
a test to see whether the symbol shows up on FFL:


W*â^z(*TF

:-)

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Transcendental Meditation Revolutionary Mission:

He doesn't want to talk about the Cathars anymore. You are forgetting 
your take-down of Barry over on alt.religion.gnostic where Barry got 
poked fun at for not realizing that bogomils are derived from 
Paulicans, Paulicans from Manicheans, Manicheans from Gnostics. thus 
Cathars are derived from Gnostics. Moggers can understand this simple 
fact, 'cletantra can't. - Klaus Schilling


On 11/13/2013 5:26 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:


*FWIW, when Barry first announced on alt.m.t that he was leaving the 
U.S. to live in Europe some years ago (2004? 2003? can't remember), he 
told us he was taking this step so he could write (or finish?) his 
novel about the Cathars.*


*
*

*We haven't heard anything about that novel since, as far as I can 
recall.*




*Seraphita wrote:*

Re I'm in the same room of a castle, or in the courtyard of a large 
city like Carcassonne . .  and


Papal Palace in Avignon, realizing that I had not only been there 
before but been tortured (probably to death) there.:



Aha! So you are claiming you were a Cathar in a previous life. As in 
The Cathars  Reincarnation by Arthur Guirdham (first edition 1970) 
up to Labyrinth by Kate Mosse set both in the Middle Ages and 
present-day France and published in 2005.



Two possibilities:

1) your imagination has been hyper-activated by reading too much on 
this popular theme.


2) you really were a Cathar and your present incarnation is a 
continuation of the spiritual life you led back then. So your interest 
in FFL.






---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita wrote:


 I was going to say this: If I was to find myself suddenly in a

past-life - let's say in Elizabethan London - I'd take careful note of
what clothes the people around me wore, what food they ate, what the
houses looked like, etc. and then when I returned I'd check
against the
best-available historical evidence. Here's the thing though: if
you were
to have a past-life recall can you alter what you're thinking or
doing?
If it's a far-memory of you in a previous life is the you that's
you
in the 21st century having the recall able to change anything?


I cannot speak to hypothetical situations like yours. I can only say
what it was like for me.

For me it was *not* like lucid dreaming, which I have practiced and
gotten good enough at that I could change things in the dream to suit
myself. The flashes I've had were all short-lived -- thirty seconds to
at most a couple of minutes -- during which I was completely
immersed in
the scene. I *did* seem to have some volition, in that I could
decide to
try to talk to someone, and pull that off, but it was not the I'm in
control of this vision kinda thang one experiences with lucid
dreaming.

I never sought any of these flashes, nor am I interested in doing so
now. They just happened, almost always when I was in the physical
location where the original events took place. That's the part
that's so
much FUN about whatever it is. I'm in the same room of a castle, or in
the courtyard of a large city like Carcassonne, and one moment I'm
here
and now and the next I'm here and then.

The overall scene doesn't change, just the details -- like what people
are wearing, eating, etc. I guess I could have been more Sherlock
Holmes-y about it, but frankly each time it's happened it's come
as such
a surprise and been so thoroughly entertaining that I just allowed
myself to be entertained.

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Hitler - our part in his rise

It sure didn't take long for this thread to go to shit, so I guess you 
proved my point. But, we're not too big on Hitler style racial profiling 
down here where I live. Apparently that's your style, but it makes you 
look like someone who bases their opinions on birth circumstances - I 
live in what used to be called Mexico. Go figure.


On 11/13/2013 8:11 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote:


Reading Richard, so to speak, is proving a waste of time and very, 
very repetitive. The guy couldn't admit something was worthwhile if he 
was held at gunpoint, which is not beyond the realm of possibility in 
the place that he lives. On the other hand he is giving Buck a run for 
his money on who is the most pedantic and inflexible not to mention 
broken record-like. Ricky seems to have an infinite capacity to scold.




---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote:

You'd already worn yourself out conversing with him.  Reading Richard 
is tiring.




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote:

See how exhausted I was?! I couldn't even construct a sensible
sentence! correction:
Jeez, Richard, I feel exhausted just reading all these rules!



On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 12:22 PM, Share Long
sharelong60@... wrote:
Jeez, Richard, I feel exhausted to reading all these rules!



On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 11:56 AM, Richard J. Williams
punditster@... wrote:
Yeah, I'm with Buck on this one. There's probably no need to send
anonymous, nonsensical posts about Adolph Hitler's face hair to a
spiritual discussion group. Maybe it's time to review a few
netiquette protocols:

1. Don't send inflammatory messages to the discussion group.
2. Make sure to send your message to the appropriate group.
3. Try to make yourself look good on the internet.

Notes: Send messages about Hitler to the Nazi group; send messages
about Hitler's face hair to the Veterans Day thread; don't send
messages about planes to the locomotive group. Make yourself look
good by sending thoughtful or insightful messages about the topic
at hand and try to stay on topic.  Try to be original and informative.

http://www.albion.com/netiquette/rule5.html

On 11/13/2013 9:28 AM, Share Long wrote:


Ahem, Richard, your post seems to be one of those one liners you
rant about. Go figure!



On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 8:32 AM, Richard J. Williams
punditster@... mailto:punditster@... wrote:
Addressing the important issues!

On 11/12/2013 9:39 PM, s3raphita@... mailto:s3raphita@... wrote:

Hitler preferred a curly Prussian style moustache but was
ordered to clip it during WWI so that it would fit under the gas
masks introduced to defend against British mustard-gas attacks.

Didn't save the bastard though: he was blinded in a Brit gas
attack in 1918.

http://tinyurl.com/bnmsjr

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Still crazy -- and alive -- after all these years?

Ann, in the case of Andy K at that time, if a woman was hopeful then she was by 
definition clueless! May he RIP if applicable! Anyway, Andy's girlfriend that I 
know about was maybe the only MIU student to get her picture published in the 
National Enquirer. She got into mud wrestling and later body building. We took 
the core courses together with about 100 other students during the 75-76 school 
year.





On Thursday, November 14, 2013 8:36 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com 
awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  
Were you the clueless one? I don't think whoever that was was all that 
clueless, just maybe hopeful? I don't think Andy had a wife then, he started to 
date quite seriously a friend of mine at the time (1981 or so when he was 
spending so much time out there on some course or other.) I had already 
graduated and was working at Peggy O'Neills restaurant on the square. I 
remember we had one of our usual after closing wild dance parties and dancing 
to an entire B52's album while Andy just sat staring at us dancers from a 
darkened booth. He was a pretty quiet dude (when he wasn't  having faux melt 
downs about unsnipped clothing tags.)


---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote:


Some people like Andy K are human zazen sticks, ever ready to whack the 
unconscious ones into consciousness! One such clueless victim was on MIU staff 
and working in a VIP dining room during a special event weekend. Andy came very 
late to dinner and all the food, etc. had been cleared away. Clueless One asked 
Andy if he wanted some food. He said just a bowl of vanilla ice cream would be 
great. Clueless One fetched it and then asked if Andy wanted company while he 
ate. Ah, the folly of youth! Anyway, Andy said yes and they proceeded to chat 
while he ate his ice cream dinner. Then he announced that he had to go meet his 
wife! Whack! 





On Thursday, November 14, 2013 3:44 AM, TurquoiseB turquoiseb@... wrote:
 
  
Andy Kaufman, that is. 

http://defamer.gawker.com/is-andy-kaufman-still-alive-1463790778 

This sounds like *exactly* the kind of stunt Andy would have dreamed up, and 
arranged to have played out by accomplices before his death. If he ever died. 

He was, after all, one weird dude, into fucking with people's minds as 
performance art. 

I remember one day at the TM center at 1015 Gayley. Andy had been hanging 
around much of the day, helping around the center. At one point, an 
unsuspecting meditator (the victim) came up to him and said, Andy, do you know 
that the price tag for your pants is still attached to them, and hanging out in 
back?

Andy pretended to be
 surprised, feeling around behind his back, discovering the offending tag, and 
ripping it off. Then he proceeded to melt down. 

First he got visibly upset, saying things like Oh my god! Have I really been 
walking around like this all day? How embarrassing. Then he got more and more 
embarrassed, and more and more upset, and finally started weeping and crying, 
laying on the ground and beating his hands and fists in a perfect impression of 
a child having a tantrum.

All this time, the poor victim was feeling worse and worse and worse, and 
starting to wish he'd never been born, let alone mentioned the tag. He ran off, 
close to tears himself. 

At which point Andy stood up and admitted it had all been a gag, and that he'd 
been waiting for someone to mention the tag all day. 

Suffice it to say his idea of funny was not the same
 as everyone else's.

[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: OMG: viveka, vivekin?

2013-11-14 Thread sharelong60

Obviously, emptybill, projection was alive and happening even in those days! 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote:

 Now you can understand how the local dravidians ported over the word ho to 
apply to their gender opposites. 

 

 

 ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote:

 emptybill, thanks for taking the time to explain this in more detail. I think 
of space, etc. as simple so couldn't connect that to chaos. But maybe to 
primitive peoples the skies seemed very chaotic with changing weather patterns, 
etc. I like to imagine those moments when the first cave person had a different 
association with a sound like kha. I like to wonder about the journey from hole 
to sky/ether/space to chaos. 
 

 
 
 On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 8:49 PM, emptybill@... emptybill@... wrote:
 
   Professor Troll couldn't read so here are some Wiki Holes.
 

 Sukah and Dukha: the good and bad of it (FWIW).

 

 Contemporary scholar Winthrop Sargeant explains the etymological roots of 
these terms as follows:[45] 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dukkha#cite_note-FOOTNOTESargeant2009303-73 
 The ancient Aryans who brought the Sanskrit language to India were a nomadic, 
horse- and cattle-breeding people who travelled in horse- or ox-drawn vehicles. 
Su and dus are prefixes indicating good or bad. The word kha, in later Sanskrit 
meaning sky, ether, or space, was originally the word for hole, 
particularly an axle hole of one of the Aryan's vehicles. Thus sukha … meant, 
originally, having a good axle hole, while duhkha meant having a poor axle 
hole, leading to discomfort.  
 

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote:

 So, you don't know any Tibetan - I thought so. 
 
 This has got to be one of the most misleading and silly answers to a simple 
yoga question I've ever read on FFL or a.m.t. You'd expect a guy that has spent 
almost his entire adult life studying with gurus and rinpoches to at least know 
one single word in Tibetan. Go figure.
 
 According to the Cologne Sanskrit Lexicon, the term 'dukkha' in Sanskrit, Pali 
and Tibetan is a Buddhist term commonly translated as 'suffering', one of the 
most important concepts in the Buddhist tradition. In the Yoga Sutras the term 
vivek means 'a wise man'. 
 
 All is suffering for the wise man (Y.S. 2.15). 
 
 The most ancient sustained expression of yogic ideas is found in the early 
discourses of the historical Buddha, thus Patanjali's  conception of freedom is 
related to the ancient Buddhist view that the source of suffering is the 
craving for permanence in a universe of impermanence. 
 
 Both the 'Four Noble Truths' and the 'Eightfold Path' articulated in the 
Buddha's first discourse are elements that underlie the yoga system. Two 
striking examples of this are Patanjali's use of the word 'nirodha' in the 
opening definition of yoga as 'citta-vrtti-nirodha', that is, 'Yoga is the 
cessation of the turnings of thought' and the statement that all is suffering, 
dukkha, for the wise man.
 
 According to Stoler-Miller, dukkha, suffering, and nirodha, cessation, are 
crucial terms in Buddhist vocabulary and the doctrine of suffering is the core 
of what Buddhists believe the Buddha taught after gaining enlightenment. 
Patanjali's ashtang eight-limbed practice is parallel to the eight-limbed path 
of Buddha.
 
 Work cited:
 
 'Yoga: Discipline of Freedom'
 by Barbara Stoler-Miller
 Acclaimed translator of the Bhagavad Gita.
 Bantam Wisdom Editions 1998
 p. 5, 52.
 
 On 11/12/2013 8:48 PM, emptybill@... mailto:emptybill@... wrote:
 
   Musta meant axle-rod. 
 
 
 
 
 
 ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, 
turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote:
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
wrote:
 
  Dukha is the opposite of sukha. Kha as in Chaos (khaos).
  It literally means a bad (du) axle-hole vs good (su) axle-hole.
 
 Who exactly are you calling an axle-hole? :-)
 
 
  ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, 
  sharelong60@ wrote:
 
  Card, I can see at least 2 ways to interpret this quote. One possible
 meaning is that for the person in CC, there is the infinite Self and the
 finite non Self and that duality itself causes misery. OR the person in
 CC realizes that all, meaning the world, is a field of change, misery
 rather than of permanent bliss.
 
  In another quote, Maharishi translates dukham as danger: avert the
 danger which has not arisen. Heyam dukham anagatam.
 
 
  On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 2:31 AM, cardemaister@ cardemaister@
 wrote:
 
  According to YS II 15: [blah blah blah...]...duHkham eva sarvam
 vivekinaH ... everything (sarvam) [is] only (eva) duHkha for a vivekin.
 
 
  duHkha 1 mfn. (according to grammarians properly written %{duS-kha}
 and said to be from %{dus} and %{kha} [cf. %{su-kha4}] ; but more
 probably a Pra1kritized form for %{duH-stha} q.v.) uneasy ,
 uncomfortable ,

[FairfieldLife] RE: Hitler - our part in his rise

Don't know why Richard gets so upset about an amusing tidbit about Adolf 
(inflammatory messages!) but just to say . . . 
 

 If you're interested in Hitler, send your messages to the Nazi group.  
 Everyone has *some* interest in Hitler surely? If you want to know why the 
world we're living in today is the way it is you need to know about the Nazi 
dictator.  

 

 If you're a Nazi and an admirer of Hitler, don't send messages about Hitler to 
a spiritual group.
 Can't say I'm much of a fan! But Nazis and spiritual groups aren't as 
incompatible as you (understandably) assume. Esoteric Nazism is a term used 
to describe mystical interpretations of Nazism current after 1945. Savitri Devi 
and Miguel Serrano were two prominent advocates and included a lot of ideas 
from eastern religions in the mix. Devi came up with the idea that Hitler had 
been an avatar of Vishnu (!); Serrano was heavily into tantric sex practices. 
Both seem to have been pretty unpleasant characters! There's a link here to an 
interview with Serrano; it's a heady mix of Catharism, Shiva, the Great Mother, 
Islam, the Queen of Sheba, Carl Jung . . . a bewildering stew of esoteric 
ideas. I suspect a lot of this right-wing esotericism is just a higher form 
of snobbery. People trying to persuade themselves they're a cut above the 
common folk. I see the piece was translated by Brother Francis, Franciscan 
Solitary in the Brahmanic Order of Kristos-Lucifer-Wotan a typically grandiose 
title that reveals the power hunger at the root of these people. The interview 
is not without a certain horrid fascination though.
 http://tinyurl.com/q7onvmv http://tinyurl.com/q7onvmv  
 

 

 

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote:

 It sure didn't take long for this thread to go to shit, so I guess you proved 
my point. But, we're not too big on Hitler style racial profiling down here 
where I live. Apparently that's your style, but it makes you look like someone 
who bases their opinions on birth circumstances - I live in what used to be 
called Mexico. Go figure.
 
 On 11/13/2013 8:11 PM, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote:
 
   Reading Richard, so to speak, is proving a waste of time and very, very 
repetitive. The guy couldn't admit something was worthwhile if he was held at 
gunpoint, which is not beyond the realm of possibility in the place that he 
lives. On the other hand he is giving Buck a run for his money on who is the 
most pedantic and inflexible not to mention broken record-like. Ricky seems to 
have an infinite capacity to scold.
 
 
 ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, 
emilymaenot@... mailto:emilymaenot@... wrote:
 
 You'd already worn yourself out conversing with him.  Reading Richard is 
tiring.   
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote:
 
 See how exhausted I was?! I couldn't even construct a sensible sentence! 
correction:
 Jeez, Richard, I feel exhausted just reading all these rules!
 
 
 
 
 On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 12:22 PM, Share Long sharelong60@... 
mailto:sharelong60@... wrote:
 
   Jeez, Richard, I feel exhausted to reading all these rules!
 
 
 
 
 On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 11:56 AM, Richard J. Williams punditster@... 
mailto:punditster@... wrote:
 
   
 Yeah, I'm with Buck on this one. There's probably no need to send anonymous, 
nonsensical posts about Adolph Hitler's face hair to a spiritual discussion 
group. Maybe it's time to review a few netiquette protocols:
 
 1. Don't send inflammatory messages to the discussion group.
 2. Make sure to send your message to the appropriate group.
 3. Try to make yourself look good on the internet.
 
 Notes: Send messages about Hitler to the Nazi group; send messages about 
Hitler's face hair to the Veterans Day thread; don't send messages about planes 
to the locomotive group. Make yourself look good by sending thoughtful or 
insightful messages about the topic at hand and try to stay on topic.  Try to 
be original and informative.
 
 http://www.albion.com/netiquette/rule5.html 
http://www.albion.com/netiquette/rule5.html
 
 On 11/13/2013 9:28 AM, Share Long wrote:
 
   Ahem, Richard, your post seems to be one of those one liners you rant about. 
Go figure!
 
 
 
 
 On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 8:32 AM, Richard J. Williams punditster@... 
mailto:punditster@... wrote:
 
   
 Addressing the important issues!
 
 On 11/12/2013 9:39 PM, s3raphita@... mailto:s3raphita@... wrote:
 
   Hitler preferred a curly Prussian style moustache but was ordered to clip 
it during WWI so that it would fit under the gas masks introduced to defend 
against British mustard-gas attacks.
 
 
 Didn't save the bastard though: he was blinded in a Brit gas attack in 1918.
 
 
 http://tinyurl.com/bnmsjr http://tinyurl.com/bnmsjr

[FairfieldLife] RE: Transcendental Meditation Revolutionary Mission:

I think it's even possible that our future, way more evolved selves can, if 
needed, help our present day selves. :
 

 Yes, I like that idea. It crops up in occult circles where it is held that our 
personal Holy Guardian Angel is actually our future wise(r) self.
 

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote:

 Seraphita, I think it's even possible that our future, way more evolved selves 
can, if needed, help our present day selves. I think Now contains past and 
future and it's just a matter of sufficient brain development for us to be able 
to live that reality. For example, finding old photos of ourselves can prompt 
us to put our attention helpfully on our younger self. That was an experience I 
had when my Mom accidently found pictures of my 9th birthday party.
 

 
 
 On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 9:55 PM, s3raphita@... s3raphita@... wrote:
 
   Re and thank God, it is from the past. Or as you said, to paraphrase, a 
parallel slipstream, of space-time, easily engaged if one is open to whatever 
comes:
 

 There's a interesting possibility raised by this line of reasoning, isn't 
there? If one's present self can recall a past-life experience, can't your 
past-life incarnation experience your present-day self? And the obvious end 
game I'm aiming for is: couldn't you today also experience a future incarnation?
 

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 Yeah, I tend to see the flashy experiences the same way, *that* they are 
happening, and how to make that relevant to daily life, vs. getting hung up on 
the forensics. Practical application, whether it be immediate, or a longer term 
learning.

I really appreciated your clear as day recollections of your soul/dharmic 
thread/jiva's past lives. You made it come alive, with this last recollection, 
horribly, yet I could really see it, and thank God, it is from the past. Or as 
you said, to paraphrase, a parallel slipstream, of space-time, easily engaged 
if one is open to whatever comes. 
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote:
 
 If you had a flashback that convinced you you were Jack the Ripper in a 
 previous life should you hand yourself in to the police? 
 Could you count on the statute of limitations getting you off the hook? 
 Could you claim in mitigation that you weren't yourself when you committed 
 the murders? 

 I'm going to comment on this, and leave the musings below to others. No 
offense, but the above stuff is way funny, and creative, and that tickles my 
funny bone. But -- having kinda been there done that with this experience -- 
theorizing about it doesn't really float my boat. 

I'm like that with many of my most interesting spiritual experiences. I was 
there. I experienced these things, some of them that fall into the Blade Runner 
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe category. But I can't tell you 
definitively what they were. Heck, I'm still trying to figure many of them out 
myself. 

Maybe it's a Buddhist thang. They were never all that interested in the why 
things are happening, only in *that* they are happening, and how to make the 
best of that. I'm kinda drawn that way myself. 

  No one picked up on my alternative suggestion that memories of previous 
  lives could be explained not by any one individual going through a serial 
  succession of different life stories but rather could be explained as 
  someone accessing our common, racial memory. 
 By what mechanism? 
 1) Occultists talk about shells of the dead left behind in the astral 
 realm. Really, though, the shells are used to explain what mediums access 
 when they contact the recently deceased. The shells dissipate over time so 
 wouldn't explain distant memories. 
 2) Memories are passed on through our DNA by some unknown mechanism? (This 
 wouldn't work for Michael's recall of being a pious hermit in medieval France 
 - unless he had a relapse into sinful passions - monks don't have kids.) Of 
 course, the further back in time you peer the more common ancestors we all 
 have. 
 3) All human (and non-human) life experiences are stored in the Akashic 
 Records. This looks the most promising line to take. 
 The advantage of this theory - that past-life memories are simply people 
 accessing the Akashic field - are: 
 (i) It explains why more than one person can claim to have memories of an 
 historical figure. 
 (ii) It fits better Buddhist ideas of anatta. 
 (iii) It explains why Cleopatra pops up so much; her thumbprint on the 
 Akashic field is bigger than most peoples. 
 
 
 
 ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@ wrote: 
 
 fwiw, I figured we had all been in a previous life together and then a healer 
 mentioned that out of the blue about a month ago. My intuition says Atlantis 
 but I've not had any experiences to confirm. Hope we get it right this time 
 around (-: 
 
 
 
 On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 10:47 AM,

RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Hitler - our part in his rise

2013-11-14 Thread sharelong60

Ok, Richard, sometimes I like to give you a hard time but today, thanks for the 
reminders about netiquette. It's a hole new world out here! 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote:

 It's not complicated. 
 
 Rule number three should really be rule number one: try to make yourself look 
good on the internet.
 
 If you're interested in Hitler, send your messages to the Nazi group.
 If you're a Nazi and an admirer of Hitler, don't send messages about Hitler to 
a spiritual group.
 Don't send inflammatory messages to a spiritual group extolling the face hair 
of the guy that killed six million Jews.
 
 
 On 11/13/2013 12:22 PM, Share Long wrote:
 
   Jeez, Richard, I feel exhausted to reading all these rules!
 
 
 
 
 On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 11:56 AM, Richard J. Williams punditster@... 
mailto:punditster@... wrote:
 
   
 Yeah, I'm with Buck on this one. There's probably no need to send anonymous, 
nonsensical posts about Adolph Hitler's face hair to a spiritual discussion 
group. Maybe it's time to review a few netiquette protocols:
 
 1. Don't send inflammatory messages to the discussion group.
 2. Make sure to send your message to the appropriate group.
 3. Try to make yourself look good on the internet.
 
 Notes: Send messages about Hitler to the Nazi group; send messages about 
Hitler's face hair to the Veterans Day thread; don't send messages about planes 
to the locomotive group. Make yourself look good by sending thoughtful or 
insightful messages about the topic at hand and try to stay on topic.  Try to 
be original and informative.
 
 http://www.albion.com/netiquette/rule5.html 
http://www.albion.com/netiquette/rule5.html
 
 On 11/13/2013 9:28 AM, Share Long wrote:
 
   Ahem, Richard, your post seems to be one of those one liners you rant about. 
Go figure!
 
 
 
 
 On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 8:32 AM, Richard J. Williams punditster@... 
mailto:punditster@... wrote:
 
   
 Addressing the important issues!
 
 On 11/12/2013 9:39 PM, s3raphita@... mailto:s3raphita@... wrote:
 
   Hitler preferred a curly Prussian style moustache but was ordered to clip 
it during WWI so that it would fit under the gas masks introduced to defend 
against British mustard-gas attacks.
 
 
 Didn't save the bastard though: he was blinded in a Brit gas attack in 1918.
 
 
 http://tinyurl.com/bnmsjr http://tinyurl.com/bnmsjr

[FairfieldLife] RE: Transcendental Meditation Revolutionary Mission:

Re According to the Buddha himself, at the moment he became enlightened he saw 
all his previous lives and all his future lives:
 

 Hang about! At his death didn't the Buddha choose to enter parinirvana and so 
release himself from the wheel of life and death? So he couldn't have any 
future lives, surely? So if he did see all his future lives they can't have 
been his. Whose lives were they? Yours and mine! 
 

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote:

 This is a very weak defense of your beliefs. As a Buddhist you should already 
know that the Buddha's rationale for teaching hinged on the fact that he became 
enlightened  - and the nature of his enlightenment. 
 
 According to the Buddha himself, at the moment he became enlightened he saw 
all his previous lives and all his future lives and the pain and suffering he 
had already endured for eons and the pain and suffering he was to endure in the 
future. And, he saw in one fell swoop all the suffering that all humans will 
endure, past and present and future. At that moment he realized the truth of 
suffering (samsara), action (karma) and rebirth (reincarnation) and how to end 
suffering following an Eightfold Path.
 
 The Buddha at that moment realized that everything happens for a reason; 
because of this, that occurs. Just like in a game of billiards depends on cause 
and effect and gravity sucks. It's not complicated. 
 
 So, we know that causation rules the physical world, but is there a moral 
reciprocity as well? It's always best to err on the side of caution. That's why 
Buddhists are supposed to be compassionate and to do no harm. You left out the 
reason why you were seeking the spiritual life! Is it for you own gain or for 
the benefit of others? That's the real question.
 
 . And what was the On 11/13/2013 1:17 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:
 
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
wrote:
 
  If you had a flashback that convinced you you were Jack the Ripper in a 
  previous life should you hand yourself in to the police? 
  Could you count on the statute of limitations getting you off the hook? 
  Could you claim in mitigation that you weren't yourself when you committed 
  the murders? 
 
 I'm going to comment on this, and leave the musings below to others. No 
offense, but the above stuff is way funny, and creative, and that tickles my 
funny bone. But -- having kinda been there done that with this experience -- 
theorizing about it doesn't really float my boat. 
 
 I'm like that with many of my most interesting spiritual experiences. I was 
there. I experienced these things, some of them that fall into the Blade Runner 
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe category. But I can't tell you 
definitively what they were. Heck, I'm still trying to figure many of them out 
myself. 
 
 Maybe it's a Buddhist thang. They were never all that interested in the why 
things are happening, only in *that* they are happening, and how to make the 
best of that. I'm kinda drawn that way myself. 
 
  No one picked up on my alternative suggestion that memories of previous 
  lives could be explained not by any one individual going through a serial 
  succession of different life stories but rather could be explained as 
  someone accessing our common, racial memory. 
  By what mechanism? 
  1) Occultists talk about shells of the dead left behind in the astral 
  realm. Really, though, the shells are used to explain what mediums access 
  when they contact the recently deceased. The shells dissipate over time so 
  wouldn't explain distant memories. 
  2) Memories are passed on through our DNA by some unknown mechanism? (This 
  wouldn't work for Michael's recall of being a pious hermit in medieval 
  France - unless he had a relapse into sinful passions - monks don't have 
  kids.) Of course, the further back in time you peer the more common 
  ancestors we all have. 
  3) All human (and non-human) life experiences are stored in the Akashic 
  Records. This looks the most promising line to take. 
  The advantage of this theory - that past-life memories are simply people 
  accessing the Akashic field - are: 
  (i) It explains why more than one person can claim to have memories of an 
  historical figure. 
  (ii) It fits better Buddhist ideas of anatta. 
  (iii) It explains why Cleopatra pops up so much; her thumbprint on the 
  Akashic field is bigger than most peoples. 
  
  
  
  ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, 
  sharelong60@ wrote: 
  
  fwiw, I figured we had all been in a previous life together and then a 
  healer mentioned that out of the blue about a month ago. My intuition says 
  Atlantis but I've not had any experiences to confirm. Hope we get it right 
  this time around (-: 
  
  
  
  On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 10:47 AM, TurquoiseB turquoiseb@ wrote: 
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
  wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Fw: Fwd: Interesting facts about the earth








 
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[FairfieldLife] RE: Fw: Fwd: Interesting facts about the earth

What is the + sign cursor? 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote:

 

 
 
 
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Fw: Fwd: Interesting facts about the earth

Judy, if you go to the graphic and swing your cursor over it, a little plus 
sign appears and that's what one clicks on. 





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authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  
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[FairfieldLife] RE: Hitler - our part in his rise

Richard just wants to be the dictatorial one around here. He makes up arbitrary 
rules and decides what is crap and what isn't. Based, of course, on nothing but 
his need to be heard by someone, by anyone. Maybe no one listens to him at home 
or he is the low man on the totem pole, so to speak, so he has to lord it over 
us here at FFL. Shall we humor him? Nah.
 

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote:

 Don't know why Richard gets so upset about an amusing tidbit about Adolf 
(inflammatory messages!) but just to say . . . 
 

 If you're interested in Hitler, send your messages to the Nazi group.  
 Everyone has *some* interest in Hitler surely? If you want to know why the 
world we're living in today is the way it is you need to know about the Nazi 
dictator.  

 

 If you're a Nazi and an admirer of Hitler, don't send messages about Hitler to 
a spiritual group.
 Can't say I'm much of a fan! But Nazis and spiritual groups aren't as 
incompatible as you (understandably) assume. Esoteric Nazism is a term used 
to describe mystical interpretations of Nazism current after 1945. Savitri Devi 
and Miguel Serrano were two prominent advocates and included a lot of ideas 
from eastern religions in the mix. Devi came up with the idea that Hitler had 
been an avatar of Vishnu (!); Serrano was heavily into tantric sex practices. 
Both seem to have been pretty unpleasant characters! There's a link here to an 
interview with Serrano; it's a heady mix of Catharism, Shiva, the Great Mother, 
Islam, the Queen of Sheba, Carl Jung . . . a bewildering stew of esoteric 
ideas. I suspect a lot of this right-wing esotericism is just a higher form 
of snobbery. People trying to persuade themselves they're a cut above the 
common folk. I see the piece was translated by Brother Francis, Franciscan 
Solitary in the Brahmanic Order of Kristos-Lucifer-Wotan a typically grandiose 
title that reveals the power hunger at the root of these people. The interview 
is not without a certain horrid fascination though.
 http://tinyurl.com/q7onvmv http://tinyurl.com/q7onvmv  
 

 

 

 ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote:

 It sure didn't take long for this thread to go to shit, so I guess you proved 
my point. But, we're not too big on Hitler style racial profiling down here 
where I live. Apparently that's your style, but it makes you look like someone 
who bases their opinions on birth circumstances - I live in what used to be 
called Mexico. Go figure.
 
 On 11/13/2013 8:11 PM, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote:
 
   Reading Richard, so to speak, is proving a waste of time and very, very 
repetitive. The guy couldn't admit something was worthwhile if he was held at 
gunpoint, which is not beyond the realm of possibility in the place that he 
lives. On the other hand he is giving Buck a run for his money on who is the 
most pedantic and inflexible not to mention broken record-like. Ricky seems to 
have an infinite capacity to scold.
 
 
 ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, 
emilymaenot@... mailto:emilymaenot@... wrote:
 
 You'd already worn yourself out conversing with him.  Reading Richard is 
tiring.   
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote:
 
 See how exhausted I was?! I couldn't even construct a sensible sentence! 
correction:
 Jeez, Richard, I feel exhausted just reading all these rules!
 
 
 
 
 On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 12:22 PM, Share Long sharelong60@... 
mailto:sharelong60@... wrote:
 
   Jeez, Richard, I feel exhausted to reading all these rules!
 
 
 
 
 On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 11:56 AM, Richard J. Williams punditster@... 
mailto:punditster@... wrote:
 
   
 Yeah, I'm with Buck on this one. There's probably no need to send anonymous, 
nonsensical posts about Adolph Hitler's face hair to a spiritual discussion 
group. Maybe it's time to review a few netiquette protocols:
 
 1. Don't send inflammatory messages to the discussion group.
 2. Make sure to send your message to the appropriate group.
 3. Try to make yourself look good on the internet.
 
 Notes: Send messages about Hitler to the Nazi group; send messages about 
Hitler's face hair to the Veterans Day thread; don't send messages about planes 
to the locomotive group. Make yourself look good by sending thoughtful or 
insightful messages about the topic at hand and try to stay on topic.  Try to 
be original and informative.
 
 http://www.albion.com/netiquette/rule5.html 
http://www.albion.com/netiquette/rule5.html
 
 On 11/13/2013 9:28 AM, Share Long wrote:
 
   Ahem, Richard, your post seems to be one of those one liners you rant about. 
Go figure!
 
 
 
 
 On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 8:32 AM, Richard J. Williams punditster@... 
mailto:punditster@... wrote:
 
   
 Addressing the important issues!
 
 On 11/12/2013 9:39 PM, s3raphita@... mailto:s3raphita@... wrote:

Re: [FairfieldLife] Grab a draft copy of the TPP

Thanks for posting noozguru, esp the HuffPost article. Are we all getting punch 
drunk with these repeated attacks on our privacy and freedom of speech? BTW, I 
could see Elizabeth Warren riding to political stardom on this issue if she 
follows up.





On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 6:04 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net 
wrote:
 
  
Wikileaks has posted a draft version of the highly secret Trans-Pacific 
Partnership.  Our pretentious corporate puppets want to pass this 
legislation without Congress even being able to see it.  We need to stop 
this or live as slaves the rest of our lives. What is wrong with these 
people that they think it is a good idea. It is NAFTA on steroids.

http://rt.com/usa/wikileaks-tpp-ip-dotcom-670/

RT has posted it as a Scribd downloadable PDF.

Alan Grayson on the TPP:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/18/alan-grayson-trans-pacific-partnership_n_3456167.html

[FairfieldLife] RE: Still crazy -- and alive -- after all these years?

Here is Pam quoted here:
 

DAILY DISH. No doubt about it: Late comic and Taxi star Andy Kaufman was 
one weird guy.
 The wide-eyed funnyman, who will be played by Jim Carrey in the upcoming biopic
Man on the Moon, made a name for himself with bizarre comedy routines that left
audiences both amused and confused. So it should come as little surprise to
viewers of this Sunday's E! True Hollywood Story (8 pm/ET) that Kaufman's
behavior offstage was kind of, well, unusual.
 How unusual? For starters, ex-girlfriend Pamela Paradowski says that Kaufman
once made love to her in the character of one of his favorite onstage personas:
Elvis Presley. At other times, she says, he wanted her to pretend that she was
a prostitute during their lovemaking sessions. Indeed, the star would often
boast about the women at the legendary Mustang Ranch brothel, says Allan
Arkush, director of Kaufman's 1981 movie Heartbeeps.
 The comic also showed obsessive-compulsive tendencies, according to pals.
Dennis Raimundo remembers that Kaufman insisted upon eating precisely seven
almonds a day. And Mel Sherer says that the star couldn't leave his car unless
he went around it precisely three times to make sure that the lights were off
and the door was locked.
 Kaufman's Taxi character, Latka Gravas, was an instant hit with audiences, but
the star drove everyone on the show crazy with his behind-the-scenes antics.
Sometimes he'd lose himself in meditation and wouldn't show up on the set.
Other times, he'd show up in character as obnoxious lounge singer Tony Clifton.
 You weren't talking to a grown-up, says Taxi costar Judd Hirsch. There was a
child still bumping around in this guy. That was the sweet part about him.

  Rich Brown 
 

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote:

 Ann, in the case of Andy K at that time, if a woman was hopeful then she was 
by definition clueless! May he RIP if applicable! Anyway, Andy's girlfriend 
that I know about was maybe the only MIU student to get her picture published 
in the National Enquirer. She got into mud wrestling and later body building. 
We took the core courses together with about 100 other students during the 
75-76 school year.
 

 
 
 On Thursday, November 14, 2013 8:36 AM, awoelflebater@... 
awoelflebater@... wrote:
 
   Were you the clueless one? I don't think whoever that was was all that 
clueless, just maybe hopeful? I don't think Andy had a wife then, he started to 
date quite seriously a friend of mine at the time (1981 or so when he was 
spending so much time out there on some course or other.) I had already 
graduated and was working at Peggy O'Neills restaurant on the square. I 
remember we had one of our usual after closing wild dance parties and dancing 
to an entire B52's album while Andy just sat staring at us dancers from a 
darkened booth. He was a pretty quiet dude (when he wasn't  having faux melt 
downs about unsnipped clothing tags.)
 

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote:

 Some people like Andy K are human zazen sticks, ever ready to whack the 
unconscious ones into consciousness! One such clueless victim was on MIU staff 
and working in a VIP dining room during a special event weekend. Andy came very 
late to dinner and all the food, etc. had been cleared away. Clueless One asked 
Andy if he wanted some food. He said just a bowl of vanilla ice cream would be 
great. Clueless One fetched it and then asked if Andy wanted company while he 
ate. Ah, the folly of youth! Anyway, Andy said yes and they proceeded to chat 
while he ate his ice cream dinner. Then he announced that he had to go meet his 
wife! Whack! 
 

 
 
 On Thursday, November 14, 2013 3:44 AM, TurquoiseB turquoiseb@... wrote:
 
   Andy Kaufman, that is. 

http://defamer.gawker.com/is-andy-kaufman-still-alive-1463790778 
http://defamer.gawker.com/is-andy-kaufman-still-alive-1463790778 

This sounds like *exactly* the kind of stunt Andy would have dreamed up, and 
arranged to have played out by accomplices before his death. If he ever died. 

He was, after all, one weird dude, into fucking with people's minds as 
performance art. 

I remember one day at the TM center at 1015 Gayley. Andy had been hanging 
around much of the day, helping around the center. At one point, an 
unsuspecting meditator (the victim) came up to him and said, Andy, do you know 
that the price tag for your pants is still attached to them, and hanging out in 
back?

Andy pretended to be surprised, feeling around behind his back, discovering the 
offending tag, and ripping it off. Then he proceeded to melt down. 

First he got visibly upset, saying things like Oh my god! Have I really been 
walking around like this all day? How embarrassing. Then he got more and more 
embarrassed, and more and more upset, and finally started weeping and crying, 
laying on the ground and beating his hands and fists in a perfect impression of 
a child having a tantrum.

All this time, the poor victim was

[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Transcendental Meditation Revolutionary Mission:

2013-11-14 Thread anartaxius

I wonder though, if it can be guaranteed that a future self will be any more 
wise than the current model, does the self model Mark II have any wisdom 
advantage over self model Mark I. If the self of the universe is considered to 
be absolute being, does it really evolve or grow? And if evolution means 
advancing to that state of experience, and one ends up as absolute being, 
essentially unchanging with the appearance only of change, have we gone forward 
or backward?
 

 Further the word 'self'. What exactly, is a 'self'? Is there really such a 
thing as a self? Science as not located anything that could be 'self' in the 
physiology; neuroscience seems to be tending to the idea that while there is a 
process going on in the brain, there is no such thing as a self inside. This is 
also a tenet of Buddhism, Buddha's central thesis is there is no self (small 
's'), that it is a fiction. If we look to other traditions, such as M's, we 
find that, whatever the small self might be, it will dissolve and become the 
Self (with a big 'S').
 

 Also, our ideas of what we are as 'a person' seem to lie behind our thinking 
about what self and Self is, that is, an intelligent, intentional entity of 
some kind that acts, but when we investigate, for example with meditation, we 
find an existential blank, undefined being. Since it is undefined as an 
experience, how could that be a self in the sense there is some-thing there, as 
we tend to think of a person? Transcendental consciousness, if we define that 
state with those words, is always the same, so it does not evolve.
 

 If that blank is the container of our experience, is it really a 'self'? For 
example, if we have a bowl of rice, and we remove the rice and just have the 
space for the rice in the bowl, is that space 'rice'? It would seem not. The 
bowl is certainly not rice, and without the rice it is not a 'bowl of rice', 
it's just a bowl.
 

 It just seems to me that whenever we try to define what a self is, or attempt 
to find one, it is not really there at all. Some quality was there, upon 
retroflection, as a memory, but it always seems to be an undefined quality.
 

 And when we look at ways 'Self', (with the big 'S') is described, it also 
tends to be a melange of contradictions. Example, in the Bhagavad-Gite, Krisha 
in describing the 'Self' at one point says 'I am the probability of the 
gambler's dice'. As a 'self' in the conventional sense, that certainly does not 
sound like a 'self'.
 

 Does all this mean that 'self', or 'Self', is not a very good way to describe 
what are, that is, is a ludicrous attempt to describe something or a state of 
being that is in reality very unlike what we are attempting define, attempting 
to define what is indefinable, and in so doing giving our-'selves' a misleading 
image?
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote:

 
 I think it's even possible that our future, way more evolved selves can, if 
needed, help our present day selves. :
 

 Yes, I like that idea. It crops up in occult circles where it is held that our 
personal Holy Guardian Angel is actually our future wise(r) self.
 

 ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote:

 Seraphita, I think it's even possible that our future, way more evolved selves 
can, if needed, help our present day selves. I think Now contains past and 
future and it's just a matter of sufficient brain development for us to be able 
to live that reality. For example, finding old photos of ourselves can prompt 
us to put our attention helpfully on our younger self. That was an experience I 
had when my Mom accidently found pictures of my 9th birthday party.

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Re: Headline of the Day - So Far

Judy, I admit it was uncomfortable to read these articles but I'm glad I did. 
Thanks for posting and my opinion of Dick Cavett just skyrocketed.





On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 2:16 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com 
authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  
Two years ago, Dick Cavett, who blogs for the NYTimes, had two pieces on this 
Posture Pictures scandal:

http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/11/11/up-against-the-wall/


http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/12/02/last-nude-column-for-now-at-least/


He had had his own nude picture taken at Yale, and he used the experience as 
material early in his stand-up career. He quotes one of the jokes from his 
routine:

It was cold in there and I had somehow gotten next-to-last in line in my group 
of embarrassed, mother-nekkid shiverers. Turning to say, 'Wish me luck' to the 
last guy, behind me, I caused the poor fellow to turn crimson. It was awful for 
both of us. I had caught him, how to say, making an effort to present a more 
impressive image for the camera. Blushing, he came up with, 'There was some 
lint on it.'”


He also makes some serious points about the whole business. Worth a read.





---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams  wrote:


 A waitress was arrested and charged with public intoxication and 
 loitering for having sex in the back seat of a Dodge truck down in 
 Georgia. What is the world coming to when you can't even get drunk  
 and have sex in the back seat of a truck? Go figure.

As headlines of the day go, I can do better. How 'bout:

 Ivy League Porn

or, as Messy Nessy Chic (who as usual found this first)
phrased it in her subhead:

Somewhere out there is a naked photograph of Hilary Clinton

http://www.messynessychic.com/2013/11/12/that-time-harvard-and-yale-took-naked-photos-of-all-their-freshmen-students/
  



 On 11/12/2013 10:09 AM, awoelflebater@... wrote:
  
  
Woman
busted having truck sex thinks cheeseburger is a
sandal

  
  Toronto Sun - 10 minutes ago

RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Fw: Fwd: Interesting facts about the earth

Do you think Click the + sign cursor in your browser was the clearest way to 
describe this?
 

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  sign 
  appears and that's what one clicks on. 
 

 
 
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[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Hitler - our part in his rise

Ann and Seraphita, he's a TROLL. That's his whole shtick, has been since over a 
decade ago back on alt.m.t. He likes to sow confusion and dissension and 
annoyance just for the fun of it. The more you interact with him or even just 
talk about him--positively or negatively--the more trollish he becomes. He 
isn't here for discussion or conversation or to learn anything, and he doesn't 
care what people say about him.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote:

 Richard just wants to be the dictatorial one around here. He makes up 
arbitrary rules and decides what is crap and what isn't. Based, of course, on 
nothing but his need to be heard by someone, by anyone. Maybe no one listens to 
him at home or he is the low man on the totem pole, so to speak, so he has to 
lord it over us here at FFL. Shall we humor him? Nah.
 

 ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote:

 Don't know why Richard gets so upset about an amusing tidbit about Adolf 
(inflammatory messages!) but just to say . . . 
 

 If you're interested in Hitler, send your messages to the Nazi group.  
 Everyone has *some* interest in Hitler surely? If you want to know why the 
world we're living in today is the way it is you need to know about the Nazi 
dictator.  

 

 If you're a Nazi and an admirer of Hitler, don't send messages about Hitler to 
a spiritual group.
 Can't say I'm much of a fan! But Nazis and spiritual groups aren't as 
incompatible as you (understandably) assume. Esoteric Nazism is a term used 
to describe mystical interpretations of Nazism current after 1945. Savitri Devi 
and Miguel Serrano were two prominent advocates and included a lot of ideas 
from eastern religions in the mix. Devi came up with the idea that Hitler had 
been an avatar of Vishnu (!); Serrano was heavily into tantric sex practices. 
Both seem to have been pretty unpleasant characters! There's a link here to an 
interview with Serrano; it's a heady mix of Catharism, Shiva, the Great Mother, 
Islam, the Queen of Sheba, Carl Jung . . . a bewildering stew of esoteric 
ideas. I suspect a lot of this right-wing esotericism is just a higher form 
of snobbery. People trying to persuade themselves they're a cut above the 
common folk. I see the piece was translated by Brother Francis, Franciscan 
Solitary in the Brahmanic Order of Kristos-Lucifer-Wotan a typically grandiose 
title that reveals the power hunger at the root of these people. The interview 
is not without a certain horrid fascination though.
 http://tinyurl.com/q7onvmv http://tinyurl.com/q7onvmv  
 

 

 

 ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote:

 It sure didn't take long for this thread to go to shit, so I guess you proved 
my point. But, we're not too big on Hitler style racial profiling down here 
where I live. Apparently that's your style, but it makes you look like someone 
who bases their opinions on birth circumstances - I live in what used to be 
called Mexico. Go figure.
 
 On 11/13/2013 8:11 PM, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote:
 
   Reading Richard, so to speak, is proving a waste of time and very, very 
repetitive. The guy couldn't admit something was worthwhile if he was held at 
gunpoint, which is not beyond the realm of possibility in the place that he 
lives. On the other hand he is giving Buck a run for his money on who is the 
most pedantic and inflexible not to mention broken record-like. Ricky seems to 
have an infinite capacity to scold.
 
 
 ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, 
emilymaenot@... mailto:emilymaenot@... wrote:
 
 You'd already worn yourself out conversing with him.  Reading Richard is 
tiring.   
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote:
 
 See how exhausted I was?! I couldn't even construct a sensible sentence! 
correction:
 Jeez, Richard, I feel exhausted just reading all these rules!
 
 
 
 
 On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 12:22 PM, Share Long sharelong60@... 
mailto:sharelong60@... wrote:
 
   Jeez, Richard, I feel exhausted to reading all these rules!
 
 
 
 
 On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 11:56 AM, Richard J. Williams punditster@... 
mailto:punditster@... wrote:
 
   
 Yeah, I'm with Buck on this one. There's probably no need to send anonymous, 
nonsensical posts about Adolph Hitler's face hair to a spiritual discussion 
group. Maybe it's time to review a few netiquette protocols:
 
 1. Don't send inflammatory messages to the discussion group.
 2. Make sure to send your message to the appropriate group.
 3. Try to make yourself look good on the internet.
 
 Notes: Send messages about Hitler to the Nazi group; send messages about 
Hitler's face hair to the Veterans Day thread; don't send messages about planes 
to the locomotive group. Make yourself look good by sending thoughtful or 
insightful messages about the topic at hand and try to stay on topic.  Try to 
be

Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Fw: Fwd: Interesting facts about the earth

I didn't write that Judy. It was part of the email I received and I figured if 
I understood it, then anybody would!





On Thursday, November 14, 2013 10:53 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com 
authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  
Do you think Click the + sign cursor in your browser was the clearest way to 
describe this?

Share wrote::


 Judy, if you go to the graphic and swing your cursor over it, a little plus 
 sign 
 appears and that's what one clicks on. 





On Thursday, November 14, 2013 10:14 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... 
wrote:
 
  
What is the + sign cursor? 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote:



 
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RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendental Meditation Revolutionary Mission:

2013-11-14 Thread sharelong60

That's a great question, Richard: for whom is one seeking enlightenment? And I 
think it changes over time. Hopefully! 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote:

 This is a very weak defense of your beliefs. As a Buddhist you should already 
know that the Buddha's rationale for teaching hinged on the fact that he became 
enlightened  - and the nature of his enlightenment. 
 
 According to the Buddha himself, at the moment he became enlightened he saw 
all his previous lives and all his future lives and the pain and suffering he 
had already endured for eons and the pain and suffering he was to endure in the 
future. And, he saw in one fell swoop all the suffering that all humans will 
endure, past and present and future. At that moment he realized the truth of 
suffering (samsara), action (karma) and rebirth (reincarnation) and how to end 
suffering following an Eightfold Path.
 
 The Buddha at that moment realized that everything happens for a reason; 
because of this, that occurs. Just like in a game of billiards depends on cause 
and effect and gravity sucks. It's not complicated. 
 
 So, we know that causation rules the physical world, but is there a moral 
reciprocity as well? It's always best to err on the side of caution. That's why 
Buddhists are supposed to be compassionate and to do no harm. You left out the 
reason why you were seeking the spiritual life! Is it for you own gain or for 
the benefit of others? That's the real question.
 
 . And what was the On 11/13/2013 1:17 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:
 
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
wrote:
 
  If you had a flashback that convinced you you were Jack the Ripper in a 
  previous life should you hand yourself in to the police? 
  Could you count on the statute of limitations getting you off the hook? 
  Could you claim in mitigation that you weren't yourself when you committed 
  the murders? 
 
 I'm going to comment on this, and leave the musings below to others. No 
offense, but the above stuff is way funny, and creative, and that tickles my 
funny bone. But -- having kinda been there done that with this experience -- 
theorizing about it doesn't really float my boat. 
 
 I'm like that with many of my most interesting spiritual experiences. I was 
there. I experienced these things, some of them that fall into the Blade Runner 
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe category. But I can't tell you 
definitively what they were. Heck, I'm still trying to figure many of them out 
myself. 
 
 Maybe it's a Buddhist thang. They were never all that interested in the why 
things are happening, only in *that* they are happening, and how to make the 
best of that. I'm kinda drawn that way myself. 
 
  No one picked up on my alternative suggestion that memories of previous 
  lives could be explained not by any one individual going through a serial 
  succession of different life stories but rather could be explained as 
  someone accessing our common, racial memory. 
  By what mechanism? 
  1) Occultists talk about shells of the dead left behind in the astral 
  realm. Really, though, the shells are used to explain what mediums access 
  when they contact the recently deceased. The shells dissipate over time so 
  wouldn't explain distant memories. 
  2) Memories are passed on through our DNA by some unknown mechanism? (This 
  wouldn't work for Michael's recall of being a pious hermit in medieval 
  France - unless he had a relapse into sinful passions - monks don't have 
  kids.) Of course, the further back in time you peer the more common 
  ancestors we all have. 
  3) All human (and non-human) life experiences are stored in the Akashic 
  Records. This looks the most promising line to take. 
  The advantage of this theory - that past-life memories are simply people 
  accessing the Akashic field - are: 
  (i) It explains why more than one person can claim to have memories of an 
  historical figure. 
  (ii) It fits better Buddhist ideas of anatta. 
  (iii) It explains why Cleopatra pops up so much; her thumbprint on the 
  Akashic field is bigger than most peoples. 
  
  
  
  ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, 
  sharelong60@ wrote: 
  
  fwiw, I figured we had all been in a previous life together and then a 
  healer mentioned that out of the blue about a month ago. My intuition says 
  Atlantis but I've not had any experiences to confirm. Hope we get it right 
  this time around (-: 
  
  
  
  On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 10:47 AM, TurquoiseB turquoiseb@ wrote: 
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
  wrote: 
   
   Sounds like a dream while being awake. Any slippage into another time 
   dimension makes it seem probable these dimensions exist simultaneously 
   with the present. 
  
  Personally, I suspect this is the case. That is, that all of these events 
  are happening simultaneously, and

Re: [FairfieldLife] Grab a draft copy of the TPP

2013-11-14 Thread Bhairitu


Another article on the situation and what Herr Obama is pushing:
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/11/14/wikileaks-reveals-secret-trade-agreement-that-could-crack-down-on-web-freedom/

We must rise up and fight the war against the Corpricans!

On 11/14/2013 08:24 AM, Share Long wrote:
Thanks for posting noozguru, esp the HuffPost article. Are we all 
getting punch drunk with these repeated attacks on our privacy and 
freedom of speech? BTW, I could see Elizabeth Warren riding to 
political stardom on this issue if she follows up.




On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 6:04 PM, Bhairitu 
noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

Wikileaks has posted a draft version of the highly secret Trans-Pacific
Partnership. Our pretentious corporate puppets want to pass this
legislation without Congress even being able to see it. We need to stop
this or live as slaves the rest of our lives. What is wrong with these
people that they think it is a good idea. It is NAFTA on steroids.

http://rt.com/usa/wikileaks-tpp-ip-dotcom-670/

RT has posted it as a Scribd downloadable PDF.

Alan Grayson on the TPP:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/18/alan-grayson-trans-pacific-partnership_n_3456167.html

Re: [FairfieldLife] Grab a draft copy of the TPP

noozguru, whatcha got against Capricorns?! Anyway, strange bedfellows being 
created: Hollywood/recording entertainment industries and Big Pharma?! 




On Thursday, November 14, 2013 11:14 AM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net 
wrote:
 
  
Another article on the situation and what Herr Obama is pushing:
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/11/14/wikileaks-reveals-secret-trade-agreement-that-could-crack-down-on-web-freedom/

We must rise up and fight the war against the Corpricans!

On 11/14/2013 08:24 AM, Share Long wrote:

  
Thanks for posting noozguru, esp the HuffPost article. Are we all getting 
punch drunk with these repeated attacks on our privacy and freedom of speech? 
BTW, I could see Elizabeth Warren riding to political stardom on this issue if 
she follows up.






On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 6:04 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net 
wrote:
 
  
Wikileaks has posted a draft version of the highly secret Trans-Pacific 
Partnership. Our pretentious corporate
  puppets want to pass this 
legislation without Congress even
  being able to see it. We need to stop 
this or live as slaves the rest of our
  lives. What is wrong with these 
people that they think it is a good
  idea. It is NAFTA on steroids.

http://rt.com/usa/wikileaks-tpp-ip-dotcom-670/

RT has posted it as a Scribd
  downloadable PDF.

Alan Grayson on the TPP:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/18/alan-grayson-trans-pacific-partnership_n_3456167.html

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: OMG: viveka, vivekin?

Thanks for the information, but Card already provided the definition of
'duHkham' from the Cologne Sanskrit Lexicon in his original post, so it
looks like you're just making more stuff up and avoiding Card's
question. Is the meaning of viveka approximately the same in yoga and
advaita-vedaanta? Go figure.

But, your whole argument about Sanskrit speakers and chariots in India
falls apart when we realize that the Aryans didn't invade India in
chariots and didn't have chariots with a wheel and an axle. And, even if
the Aryans did invade India, chariots are not the typical conveyance of
nomads or cattle and sheep herders. Can you imagine driving a
spoke-wheeled chariot over the snow-capped Trans-Himalaya mountains and
then down the mountainside and into a flock of sheep and cattle? It's
difficult to imagine but go figure.

Works cited:

Thapar, Romila. A History of India. Penguin Books.
p. 28-49.

Frawley, David. The Myth of the Aryan Invasion.
http://www.hindunet.org/hindu_history/ancient/aryan/aryan_frawley.html

Hooker, Richard. Ancient India – The Aryans.
http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~dee/ANCINDIA/ARYANS.HTM
http://www.wsu.edu:8080/%7Edee/ANCINDIA/ARYANS.HTM

Wheel and axle:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheel_and_axle

Evolution of the Chariot:
http://www.nytimes.com/remaking-the-wheel-evolution-of-the-chariot.html
http://www.nytimes.com/1994/02/22/science/remaking-the-wheel-evolution-of-the-chariot.html?pagewanted=allsrc=pm

On 11/14/2013 8:02 AM, emptyb...@yahoo.com wrote:

Now you can understand how the local dravidians ported over the word
ho to apply to their gender opposites.

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote:

emptybill, thanks for taking the time to explain this in more detail.
I think of space, etc. as simple so couldn't connect that to chaos.
But maybe to primitive peoples the skies seemed very chaotic with
changing weather patterns, etc. I like to imagine those moments when
the first cave person had a different association with a sound like
kha. I like to wonder about the journey from hole to sky/ether/space
to chaos.

On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 8:49 PM, emptybill@...
emptybill@... wrote:

Professor Troll couldn't read so here are some Wiki Holes.

Sukah and Dukha: the good and bad of it (FWIW).

Contemporary scholar Winthrop Sargeant explains the etymological roots
of these terms as follows:^[45]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dukkha#cite_note-FOOTNOTESargeant2009303-73

The ancient Aryans who brought the Sanskrit language to India were
a nomadic, horse- and cattle-breeding people who travelled in
horse- or ox-drawn vehicles. /Su/ and /dus/ are prefixes
indicating good or bad. The word /kha/, in later Sanskrit meaning
sky, ether, or space, was originally the word for hole,
particularly an axle hole of one of the Aryan's vehicles. Thus
/sukha/ … meant, originally, having a good axle hole, while
/duhkha/ meant having a poor axle hole, leading to discomfort.

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote:

So, you don't know any Tibetan - I thought so.

This has got to be one of the most misleading and silly answers to a
simple yoga question I've ever read on FFL or a.m.t. You'd expect a
guy that has spent almost his entire adult life studying with gurus
and rinpoches to at least know one single word in Tibetan. Go figure.

According to the Cologne Sanskrit Lexicon, the term 'dukkha' in
Sanskrit, Pali and Tibetan is a Buddhist term commonly translated as
'suffering', one of the most important concepts in the Buddhist
tradition. In the Yoga Sutras the term vivek means 'a wise man'.

All is suffering for the wise man (Y.S. 2.15).

The most ancient sustained expression of yogic ideas is found in the
early discourses of the historical Buddha, thus Patanjali's conception
of freedom is related to the ancient Buddhist view that the source of
suffering is the craving for permanence in a universe of impermanence.

Both the 'Four Noble Truths' and the 'Eightfold Path' articulated in
the Buddha's first discourse are elements that underlie the yoga
system. Two striking examples of this are Patanjali's use of the word
'nirodha' in the opening definition of yoga as 'citta-vrtti-nirodha',
that is, 'Yoga is the cessation of the turnings of thought' and the
statement that all is suffering, dukkha, for the wise man.

According to Stoler-Miller, dukkha, suffering, and nirodha, cessation,
are crucial terms in Buddhist vocabulary and the doctrine of suffering
is the core of what Buddhists believe the Buddha taught after gaining
enlightenment. Patanjali's ashtang eight-limbed practice is parallel
to the eight-limbed path of Buddha.

Work cited:

'Yoga: Discipline of Freedom'
by Barbara Stoler-Miller
Acclaimed translator of the Bhagavad Gita.
Bantam Wisdom Editions 1998
p. 5, 52.

On 11/12/2013 8:48 PM, emptybill@... mailto:emptybill@... wrote:

Musta meant axle-rod.

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Transcendental Meditation Revolutionary Mission:

There's really no past, present or future in the Field. In a parallel 
universe events are occurring simultaneously. So, a person doesn't go 
'back into the past' or 'into the future' because the Field is a unity 
where history is not divided by concepts of time.


  On 11/13/2013 9:55 PM, s3raph...@yahoo.com wrote:


Reand thank God, it is from the past. Or as you said, to paraphrase, 
a parallel slipstream, of space-time, easily engaged if one is open to 
whatever comes:



There's a interesting possibility raised by this line of reasoning, 
isn't there? If one's present self can recall a past-life experience, 
can't your past-life incarnation experience your present-day self? And 
the obvious end game I'm aiming for is: couldn't you today also 
experience a future incarnation?




---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:

Yeah, I tend to see the flashy experiences the same way, *that* they 
are happening, and how to make that relevant to daily life, vs. 
getting hung up on the forensics. Practical application, whether it be 
immediate, or a longer term learning.


I really appreciated your clear as day recollections of your 
soul/dharmic thread/jiva's past lives. You made it come alive, with 
this last recollection, horribly, yet I could really see it, and thank 
God, it is from the past. Or as you said, to paraphrase, a parallel 
slipstream, of space-time, easily engaged if one is open to whatever 
comes.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote:


 If you had a flashback that convinced you you were Jack the
Ripper in a previous life should you hand yourself in to the
police?
 Could you count on the statute of limitations getting you
off the hook?
 Could you claim in mitigation that you weren't yourself when
you committed the murders?

I'm going to comment on this, and leave the musings below to
others. No offense, but the above stuff is way funny, and
creative, and that tickles my funny bone. But -- having kinda been
there done that with this experience -- theorizing about it
doesn't really float my boat.

I'm like that with many of my most interesting spiritual
experiences. I was there. I experienced these things, some of them
that fall into the Blade Runner I've seen things you people
wouldn't believe category. But I can't tell you definitively what
they were. Heck, I'm still trying to figure many of them out myself.

Maybe it's a Buddhist thang. They were never all that interested
in the why things are happening, only in *that* they are
happening, and how to make the best of that. I'm kinda drawn that
way myself.

 No one picked up on my alternative suggestion that memories
of previous lives could be explained not by any one individual
going through a serial succession of different life stories
but rather could be explained as someone accessing our common,
racial memory.
 By what mechanism?
 1) Occultists talk about shells of the dead left behind in
the astral realm. Really, though, the shells are used to
explain what mediums access when they contact the recently
deceased. The shells dissipate over time so wouldn't explain
distant memories.
 2) Memories are passed on through our DNA by some unknown
mechanism? (This wouldn't work for Michael's recall of being a
pious hermit in medieval France - unless he had a relapse into
sinful passions - monks don't have kids.) Of course, the
further back in time you peer the more common ancestors we all
have.
 3) All human (and non-human) life experiences are stored in
the Akashic Records. This looks the most promising line to take.
 The advantage of this theory - that past-life memories are
simply people accessing the Akashic field - are:
 (i) It explains why more than one person can claim to have
memories of an historical figure.
 (ii) It fits better Buddhist ideas of anatta.
 (iii) It explains why Cleopatra pops up so much; her
thumbprint on the Akashic field is bigger than most peoples.



 ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@ wrote:

 fwiw, I figured we had all been in a previous life together
and then a healer mentioned that out of the blue about a month
ago. My intuition says Atlantis but I've not had any
experiences to confirm. Hope we get it right this time around (-:



 On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 10:47 AM, TurquoiseB
turquoiseb@ wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote:
 
  Sounds like a dream while being awake. Any slippage into
another time

RE: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Re: Holy Hell: A Memoir of Faith, Devotion, and Pure Madness

2013-11-14 Thread Rick Archer

Pages to read: http://ammascandal.wordpress.com/category/amma-lies/

http://ammascandal.wordpress.com/category/amma-scandal/

 

 

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Share Long
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 5:43 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Re: Holy Hell: A Memoir of Faith, 
Devotion, and Pure Madness

 

  

I've been to Amma's gatherings a few times and liked getting hugged, liked the 
bhajans and the feeling of being at a market in India. I also liked that it was 
so different than TM gatherings which are drier and more knowledge 
based. Also it was interesting to see the Western devotees garbed in Indian 
clothing and living a more obviously ashram lifestyle. A former boyfriend left 
Purusha and ended up buying a condo at Amma's ashram in India and I got some 
insights from him about that particular path. Bottom line, we live in 
interesting times but maybe everybody in every era thinks that!

 

 

On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 10:52 PM,  mailto:emilymae...@yahoo.com 
emilymae...@yahoo.com  mailto:emilymae...@yahoo.com emilymae...@yahoo.com 
wrote:

  

I only spent 3 days and just one time (although it was enough for me to spend 
hours on the internet to reconcile my reality and that of my children's with 
the experience and the experience of the family I went with and to feel 
compelled to write up my story for a post in the process).  I think Rick or 
Ravi or maybe Share? could take you up on this, but I don't want to start any 
drama.  It is a good story and it represents 20 years of her life and I respect 
it and her fully.  



---In  mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  
mailto:awoelflebater@... awoelflebater@... wrote:

Hmmm, I would be interested to compare the experience of those who had been 
around Amma with what the author is going to reveal in her book. I would also 
like to know if what the author says resonates in any way or form with what 
someone who approaches Amma openly and sincerely would have to say about their 
experience with/of her. Everyone is different and their filtering/perception 
mechanism is different from those possessed by others. I would love to know how 
I would feel in her presence, receiving her touch and then compare it with Gail 
Tredwell's story and why and how she decided she wanted to move away from Amma. 
Anyone want to read the book and let me know about this, especially if you have 
spent time with her?

 

---In  mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  
mailto:emilymaenot@... emilymaenot@... wrote:

She wrote it largely to facilitate her healing process and it isn't a 
comprehensive look at the Amma organization, but it blows the lid off of Amma 
as the hugging saint or saint in any respect, in ways that would create the 
need for one to engage in some serious mind-bending denial to continue to see 
her (particularly as a hanger-on).  Well, I guess I just gave it a review of 
sorts, but pay no attention.  I like stories of people and their lives.  Smile. 
 

 

---In  mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  
mailto:awoelflebater@... awoelflebater@... wrote:

Emily, I have just purchased the book and it looks like a good read. I know 
really nothing about Amma other than what I have read about her here at FFL. 
Having emerged from a cult experience myself I will be looking forward to 
seeing what the author has to say. 

 

---In  mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  
mailto:sharelong60@... sharelong60@... wrote:

Emily, did you find that reading this book shed some light on the experiences 
you and your daughters had when you went to see Amma in person?

 

On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 1:39 AM,  mailto:emilymaenot@... 
emilymaenot@...  mailto:emilymaenot@... emilymaenot@... wrote:

  

I would suggest this book by Gayatri (Gail) to any Amma devotees or followers 
or those that attend just for hugs.  It's easily read in two days and is 
written sincerely and truthfully and fairly.

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Hitler - our part in his rise

You read my stuff? Don't take it personal, Ann, but most of the stuff I 
post here is for the lurkers to read, not the long-time informants who 
have already read my stuff. I suspect there may be dozens of lurkers on 
this forum. There seem to be only a few respondents anymore. My main 
goal is to make the forum look good. Hey, why am I having to do most of 
the heavy lifting here?


It's up to you if you want to read and respond or not. Go figure. It's 
not complicated. Most of the netiquette protocols I've quoted are basic 
rules found here:


http://www.albion.com/netiquette/

On 11/14/2013 8:44 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote:




---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote:

It's not complicated.

Rule number three should really be rule number one: try to make 
yourself look good on the internet.


If you're interested in Hitler, send your messages to the Nazi group.
If you're a Nazi and an admirer of Hitler, don't send messages about 
Hitler to a spiritual group.
Don't send inflammatory messages to a spiritual group extolling the 
face hair of the guy that killed six million Jews.


If you have brown hair that is currently grey and the moon is in the 
seventh house and Jupiter aligns with Mars but your mother divorced at 
the age of 45 make your posts in orange and avoid stepping in puddles. 
On the other hand, if it's raining and your father wore suspenders 
make sure all posts appear in italics but only on Mondays - any other 
day you can go freestylin'. Got it Willy? Now don't disobey or I'm 
going to bore you with my scolding and my rules from now until eternity.



On 11/13/2013 12:22 PM, Share Long wrote:


Jeez, Richard, I feel exhausted to reading all these rules!



On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 11:56 AM, Richard J. Williams 
punditster@... mailto:punditster@... wrote:
Yeah, I'm with Buck on this one. There's probably no need to send 
anonymous, nonsensical posts about Adolph Hitler's face hair to a 
spiritual discussion group. Maybe it's time to review a few 
netiquette protocols:


1. Don't send inflammatory messages to the discussion group.
2. Make sure to send your message to the appropriate group.
3. Try to make yourself look good on the internet.

Notes: Send messages about Hitler to the Nazi group; send messages 
about Hitler's face hair to the Veterans Day thread; don't send 
messages about planes to the locomotive group. Make yourself look 
good by sending thoughtful or insightful messages about the topic at 
hand and try to stay on topic.  Try to be original and informative.


http://www.albion.com/netiquette/rule5.html

On 11/13/2013 9:28 AM, Share Long wrote:
Ahem, Richard, your post seems to be one of those one liners you 
rant about. Go figure!




On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 8:32 AM, Richard J. Williams 
punditster@... mailto:punditster@... wrote:

Addressing the important issues!

On 11/12/2013 9:39 PM, s3raphita@... mailto:s3raphita@... wrote:
Hitler preferred a curly Prussian style moustache but was ordered 
to clip it during WWI so that it would fit under the gas masks 
introduced to defend against British mustard-gas attacks.


Didn't save the bastard though: he was blinded in a Brit gas attack 
in 1918.


http://tinyurl.com/bnmsjr

RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Fw: Fwd: Interesting facts about the earth

Right, Share. And you understood Click the + sign cursor in your browser to
mean Go to the graphic and swing your cursor over it, a little plus sign
appears and that's what one clicks on. That what you're telling us?

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote:

I didn't write that Judy. It was part of the email I received and I figured if
I understood it, then anybody would!

On Thursday, November 14, 2013 10:53 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@...
wrote:

Do you think Click the + sign cursor in your browser was the clearest way
to describe this?

Share wrote::

Judy, if you go to the graphic and swing your cursor over it, a little plus
sign
appears and that's what one clicks on.

On Thursday, November 14, 2013 10:14 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@...
wrote:

What is the + sign cursor?

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote:

Click the + sign cursor in your browser

http://www.funchief.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/simple_facts_that_will_increase_your_knowledge_about_our_planet_01s.jpg

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Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Fw: Fwd: Interesting facts about the earth

yep, that's what happened.





On Thursday, November 14, 2013 12:33 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com 
authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  
Right, Share. And you understood Click the + sign cursor in your browser to 
mean Go to the graphic and swing your cursor over it, a little plus sign 
appears and that's what one clicks on. That what you're telling us?




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote:


I didn't write that Judy. It was part of the email I received and I figured if 
I understood it, then anybody would!





On Thursday, November 14, 2013 10:53 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... 
wrote:
 
  
Do you think Click the + sign cursor in your browser was the clearest way to 
describe this?

Share wrote::


 Judy, if you go to the graphic and swing your cursor over it, a little plus 
 sign 
 appears and that's what one clicks on. 





On Thursday, November 14, 2013 10:14 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... 
wrote:
 
  
What is the + sign cursor? 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote:



 
Click the + sign cursor in your browser
http://www.funchief.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/simple_facts_that_will_increase_your_knowledge_about_our_planet_01s.jpg







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Rick Archer · 1108 South B Street · Fairfield, Iowa 52556 · USA

RE: Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Fw: Fwd: Interesting facts about the earth

Uh-huh.
  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote:

 yep, that's what happened.
 
 
 
 On Thursday, November 14, 2013 12:33 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... 
wrote:
 
   Right, Share. And you understood Click the + sign cursor in your browser 
to mean Go to the graphic and swing your cursor over it, a little plus sign 
appears and that's what one clicks on. That what you're telling us?
 

 

 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote:

 I didn't write that Judy. It was part of the email I received and I figured if 
I understood it, then anybody would!
 

 
 
 On Thursday, November 14, 2013 10:53 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... 
wrote:
 
   Do you think Click the + sign cursor in your browser was the clearest way 
to describe this?
 

 Share wrote::

  Judy, if you go to the graphic and swing your cursor over it, a little plus 
  sign 
  appears and that's what one clicks on. 
 

 
 
 On Thursday, November 14, 2013 10:14 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... 
wrote:
 
   What is the + sign cursor? 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote:
 

 Click the + sign cursor in your browser
 
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Re: Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Fw: Fwd: Interesting facts about the earth

Ok, Judy, just for the fun of it, tell us what you think happened.





On Thursday, November 14, 2013 1:19 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com 
authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  
Uh-huh.
 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote:


yep, that's what happened.




On Thursday, November 14, 2013 12:33 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... 
wrote:
 
  
Right, Share. And you understood Click the + sign cursor in your browser to 
mean Go to the graphic and swing your cursor over it, a little plus sign 
appears and that's what one clicks on. That what you're telling us?




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote:


I didn't write that Judy. It was part of the email I received and I figured if 
I understood it, then anybody would!





On Thursday, November 14, 2013 10:53 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... 
wrote:
 
  
Do you think Click the + sign cursor in your browser was the clearest way to 
describe this?

Share wrote::


 Judy, if you go to the graphic and swing your cursor over it, a little plus 
 sign 
 appears and that's what one clicks on. 





On Thursday, November 14, 2013 10:14 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... 
wrote:
 
  
What is the + sign cursor? 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote:



 
Click the + sign cursor in your browser
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Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Re: Holy Hell: A Memoir of Faith, Devotion, and Pure Madness

Thanks, Rick.





On Thursday, November 14, 2013 12:19 PM, Rick Archer r...@searchsummit.com 
wrote:
 
  
Pages to read: http://ammascandal.wordpress.com/category/amma-lies/
http://ammascandal.wordpress.com/category/amma-scandal/
 
 
From:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Share Long
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 5:43 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Re: Holy Hell: A Memoir of Faith, 
Devotion, and Pure Madness
 
  
I've been to Amma's gatherings a few times and liked getting hugged, liked the 
bhajans and the feeling of being at a market in India. I also liked that it was 
so different than TM gatherings which are drier and more knowledge 
based. Also it was interesting to see the Western devotees garbed in Indian 
clothing and living a more obviously ashram lifestyle. A former boyfriend left 
Purusha and ended up buying a condo at Amma's ashram in India and I got some 
insights from him about that particular path. Bottom line, we live in 
interesting times but maybe everybody in every era thinks that!
 
 
On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 10:52 PM, emilymae...@yahoo.com 
emilymae...@yahoo.com wrote:
  
I only spent 3 days and just one time (although it was enough for me to spend 
hours on the internet to reconcile my reality and that of my children's with 
the experience and the experience of the family I went with and to feel 
compelled to write up my story for a post in the process).  I think Rick or 
Ravi or maybe Share? could take you up on this, but I don't want to start any 
drama.  It is a good story and it represents 20 years of her life and I respect 
it and her fully.  


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote:
Hmmm, I would be interested to compare the experience of those who had been 
around Amma with what the author is going to reveal in her book. I would also 
like to know if what the author says resonates in any way or form with what 
someone who approaches Amma openly and sincerely would have to say about their 
experience with/of her. Everyone is different and their filtering/perception 
mechanism is different from those possessed by others. I would love to know how 
I would feel in her presence, receiving her touch and then compare it with Gail 
Tredwell's story and why and how she decided she wanted to move away from Amma. 
Anyone want to read the book and let me know about this, especially if you have 
spent time with her?
 
---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote:
She wrote it largely to facilitate her healing process and it isn't a 
comprehensive look at the Amma organization, but it blows the lid off of Amma 
as the hugging saint or saint in any respect, in ways that would create 
the need for one to engage in some serious mind-bending denial to continue to 
see her (particularly as a hanger-on).  Well, I guess I just gave it a review 
of sorts, but pay no attention.  I like stories of people and their lives.  
Smile.  
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote:
Emily, I have just purchased the book and it looks like a good read. I know 
really nothing about Amma other than what I have read about her here at FFL. 
Having emerged from a cult experience myself I will be looking forward to 
seeing what the author has to say. 
 
---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote:
Emily, did you find that reading this book shed some light on the 
experiences you and your daughters had when you went to see Amma in person?
 
On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 1:39 AM, emilymaenot@... emilymaenot@... 
wrote:
  
I would suggest this book by Gayatri (Gail) to any Amma devotees or 
followers or those that attend just for hugs.  It's easily read in two days 
and is written sincerely and truthfully and fairly.

[FairfieldLife] SF Train Leaves Without a Driver

2013-11-14 Thread jr_esq

This is a strange occurrence here in the City.  Luckily, nobody got hurt.  
Somebody from the railway should investigate how this could happen.  If you 
visit SF and ride the local trains here, make sure someone is driving it before 
you board. 
 

 
http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/san_franciscoamp;id=9324618
 
http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/san_franciscoamp;id=9324618

RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Fw: Fwd: Interesting facts about the earth

I have no idea, Share.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote:

 Ok, Judy, just for the fun of it, tell us what you think happened.
 

 
 
 On Thursday, November 14, 2013 1:19 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... 
wrote:
 
   Uh-huh.
  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote:

 yep, that's what happened.
 
 
 
 On Thursday, November 14, 2013 12:33 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... 
wrote:
 
   Right, Share. And you understood Click the + sign cursor in your browser 
to mean Go to the graphic and swing your cursor over it, a little plus sign 
appears and that's what one clicks on. That what you're telling us?
 

 

 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote:

 I didn't write that Judy. It was part of the email I received and I figured if 
I understood it, then anybody would!
 

 
 
 On Thursday, November 14, 2013 10:53 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... 
wrote:
 
   Do you think Click the + sign cursor in your browser was the clearest way 
to describe this?
 

 Share wrote::

  Judy, if you go to the graphic and swing your cursor over it, a little plus 
  sign 
  appears and that's what one clicks on. 
 

 
 
 On Thursday, November 14, 2013 10:14 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... 
wrote:
 
   What is the + sign cursor? 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote:
 

 Click the + sign cursor in your browser
 
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[FairfieldLife] RE: Re: Holy Hell: A Memoir of Faith, Devotion, and Pure Madness

'Amma's shadow'Gail Tredwell last video :River of Love ◦ Mata Amritanandamayi 
could be shot just few months before she left the  ashram-?
 http://youtu.be/dz6bFeYUNCU?t=46m28s -  http://youtu.be/dz6bFeYUNCU?t=46m28s - 
 http://youtu.be/dz6bFeYUNCU?t=46m28s - 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dz6bFeYUNCUfeature=youtu.bet=46m28s 
http://youtu.be/dz6bFeYUNCU?t=46m28s - 
 http://youtu.be/dz6bFeYUNCU?t=46m28s - 
 http://youtu.be/dz6bFeYUNCU?t=46m28s - 
 The 2011-12 foreign contribution report (from 4/1/2011 through
3/31/2012 and 2010-2011) for the Mata Amritanandamayi Math is up now on the FCRA
website:
 http://fcraonline.nic.in/fc3_verify.aspx?RCN=052930183Rby=2011-2012 
http://fcraonline.nic.in/fc3_verify.aspx?RCN=052930183Rby=2011-2012
 

 

 http://fcraonline.nic.in/fc3_verify.aspx?RCN=052930183Rby=2010-2011 
http://fcraonline.nic.in/fc3_verify.aspx?RCN=052930183Rby=2010-2011
 

 

 

 

 

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote:

 Pages to read: http://ammascandal.wordpress.com/category/amma-lies/ 
http://ammascandal.wordpress.com/category/amma-lies/
 http://ammascandal.wordpress.com/category/amma-scandal/ 
http://ammascandal.wordpress.com/category/amma-scandal/
  
  
 From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Share Long
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 5:43 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Re: Holy Hell: A Memoir of Faith, 
Devotion, and Pure Madness


  
   
 I've been to Amma's gatherings a few times and liked getting hugged, liked the 
bhajans and the feeling of being at a market in India. I also liked that it was 
so different than TM gatherings which are drier and more knowledge 
based. Also it was interesting to see the Western devotees garbed in Indian 
clothing and living a more obviously ashram lifestyle. A former boyfriend left 
Purusha and ended up buying a condo at Amma's ashram in India and I got some 
insights from him about that particular path. Bottom line, we live in 
interesting times but maybe everybody in every era thinks that!
  

  
 On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 10:52 PM, emilymaenot@... 
mailto:emilymaenot@...; emilymaenot@... mailto:emilymaenot@... wrote:

   
 I only spent 3 days and just one time (although it was enough for me to spend 
hours on the internet to reconcile my reality and that of my children's with 
the experience and the experience of the family I went with and to feel 
compelled to write up my story for a post in the process).  I think Rick or 
Ravi or maybe Share? could take you up on this, but I don't want to start any 
drama.  It is a good story and it represents 20 years of her life and I respect 
it and her fully.  

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote:
 Hmmm, I would be interested to compare the experience of those who had been 
around Amma with what the author is going to reveal in her book. I would also 
like to know if what the author says resonates in any way or form with what 
someone who approaches Amma openly and sincerely would have to say about their 
experience with/of her. Everyone is different and their filtering/perception 
mechanism is different from those possessed by others. I would love to know how 
I would feel in her presence, receiving her touch and then compare it with Gail 
Tredwell's story and why and how she decided she wanted to move away from Amma. 
Anyone want to read the book and let me know about this, especially if you have 
spent time with her?

  
 ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, 
emilymaenot@... mailto:emilymaenot@... wrote:
 She wrote it largely to facilitate her healing process and it isn't a 
comprehensive look at the Amma organization, but it blows the lid off of Amma 
as the hugging saint or saint in any respect, in ways that would create the 
need for one to engage in some serious mind-bending denial to continue to see 
her (particularly as a hanger-on).  Well, I guess I just gave it a review of 
sorts, but pay no attention.  I like stories of people and their lives.  Smile. 
 

  
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote:
 Emily, I have just purchased the book and it looks like a good read. I know 
really nothing about Amma other than what I have read about her here at FFL. 
Having emerged from a cult experience myself I will be looking forward to 
seeing what the author has to say. 

  
 ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, 
sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote:
 Emily, did you find that reading this book shed some light on the experiences 
you and your daughters had when you went to see Amma in person?
  
 On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 1:39 AM, emilymaenot@... 
mailto:emilymaenot@...; emilymaenot@... mailto:emilymaenot@... wrote:

   
 I would

RE: RE: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Re: Holy Hell: A Memoir of Faith, Devotion, and Pure Madness

'Amma's so called  shadow'Gail Tredwell last video :River of Love ◦ Mata 
Amritanandamayi could be shot just few months before she left the  ashram-?
 Should be at 46m28s -  http://youtu.be/dz6bFeYUNCU?t=46m28s%20-
 

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpagev=dz6bFeYUNCU#t=2789 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpagev=dz6bFeYUNCU#t=2789
 

 http://youtu.be/dz6bFeYUNCU?t=46m28s -  
http://youtu.be/dz6bFeYUNCU?t=46m28s%20-


 http://youtu.be/dz6bFeYUNCU?t=46m28s%20-


 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dz6bFeYUNCUfeature=youtu.bet=46m28s 
http://youtu.be/dz6bFeYUNCU?t=46m28s%20-


 http://youtu.be/dz6bFeYUNCU?t=46m28s%20-


 http://youtu.be/dz6bFeYUNCU?t=46m28s%20-


 The 2011-12 foreign contribution report (from 4/1/2011 through
3/31/2012 and 2010-2011) for the Mata Amritanandamayi Math is up now on the FCRA
website:
 http://fcraonline.nic.in/fc3_verify.aspx?RCN=052930183Rby=2011-2012 
http://fcraonline.nic.in/fc3_verify.aspx?RCN=052930183Rby=2011-2012
 

 

 http://fcraonline.nic.in/fc3_verify.aspx?RCN=052930183Rby=2010-2011 
http://fcraonline.nic.in/fc3_verify.aspx?RCN=052930183Rby=2010-2011
  
  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote:

 Pages to read: http://ammascandal.wordpress.com/category/amma-lies/ 
http://ammascandal.wordpress.com/category/amma-lies/
 http://ammascandal.wordpress.com/category/amma-scandal/ 
http://ammascandal.wordpress.com/category/amma-scandal/
  
  
 From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Share Long
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 5:43 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Re: Holy Hell: A Memoir of Faith, 
Devotion, and Pure Madness


  
   
 I've been to Amma's gatherings a few times and liked getting hugged, liked the 
bhajans and the feeling of being at a market in India. I also liked that it was 
so different than TM gatherings which are drier and more knowledge 
based. Also it was interesting to see the Western devotees garbed in Indian 
clothing and living a more obviously ashram lifestyle. A former boyfriend left 
Purusha and ended up buying a condo at Amma's ashram in India and I got some 
insights from him about that particular path. Bottom line, we live in 
interesting times but maybe everybody in every era thinks that!
  

  
 On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 10:52 PM, emilymaenot@... 
mailto:emilymaenot@...; emilymaenot@... mailto:emilymaenot@... wrote:

   
 I only spent 3 days and just one time (although it was enough for me to spend 
hours on the internet to reconcile my reality and that of my children's with 
the experience and the experience of the family I went with and to feel 
compelled to write up my story for a post in the process).  I think Rick or 
Ravi or maybe Share? could take you up on this, but I don't want to start any 
drama.  It is a good story and it represents 20 years of her life and I respect 
it and her fully.  

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote:
 Hmmm, I would be interested to compare the experience of those who had been 
around Amma with what the author is going to reveal in her book. I would also 
like to know if what the author says resonates in any way or form with what 
someone who approaches Amma openly and sincerely would have to say about their 
experience with/of her. Everyone is different and their filtering/perception 
mechanism is different from those possessed by others. I would love to know how 
I would feel in her presence, receiving her touch and then compare it with Gail 
Tredwell's story and why and how she decided she wanted to move away from Amma. 
Anyone want to read the book and let me know about this, especially if you have 
spent time with her?

  
 ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, 
emilymaenot@... mailto:emilymaenot@... wrote:
 She wrote it largely to facilitate her healing process and it isn't a 
comprehensive look at the Amma organization, but it blows the lid off of Amma 
as the hugging saint or saint in any respect, in ways that would create the 
need for one to engage in some serious mind-bending denial to continue to see 
her (particularly as a hanger-on).  Well, I guess I just gave it a review of 
sorts, but pay no attention.  I like stories of people and their lives.  Smile. 
 

  
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote:
 Emily, I have just purchased the book and it looks like a good read. I know 
really nothing about Amma other than what I have read about her here at FFL. 
Having emerged from a cult experience myself I will be looking forward to 
seeing what the author has to say. 

  
 ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, 
sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote:
 Emily, did you find that reading this book shed

RE: RE: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Re: Holy Hell: A Memoir of Faith, Devotion, and Pure Madness

'Amma's shadow'Gail Tredwell last video :River of Love ◦ Mata Amritanandamayi 
could be shot just few months before she left the  ashram-?
 Should be at 46m28s -  http://youtu.be/dz6bFeYUNCU?t=46m28s%20-
 

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpagev=dz6bFeYUNCU#t=2789 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpagev=dz6bFeYUNCU#t=2789
 

 http://youtu.be/dz6bFeYUNCU?t=46m28s -  
http://youtu.be/dz6bFeYUNCU?t=46m28s%20-


 http://youtu.be/dz6bFeYUNCU?t=46m28s%20-


 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dz6bFeYUNCUfeature=youtu.bet=46m28s 
http://youtu.be/dz6bFeYUNCU?t=46m28s%20-


 http://youtu.be/dz6bFeYUNCU?t=46m28s%20-


 http://youtu.be/dz6bFeYUNCU?t=46m28s%20-


 The 2011-12 foreign contribution report (from 4/1/2011 through
3/31/2012 and 2010-2011) for the Mata Amritanandamayi Math is up now on the FCRA
website:
 http://fcraonline.nic.in/fc3_verify.aspx?RCN=052930183Rby=2011-2012 
http://fcraonline.nic.in/fc3_verify.aspx?RCN=052930183Rby=2011-2012
 

 

 http://fcraonline.nic.in/fc3_verify.aspx?RCN=052930183Rby=2010-2011 
http://fcraonline.nic.in/fc3_verify.aspx?RCN=052930183Rby=2010-2011
  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote:

 Pages to read: http://ammascandal.wordpress.com/category/amma-lies/ 
http://ammascandal.wordpress.com/category/amma-lies/
 http://ammascandal.wordpress.com/category/amma-scandal/ 
http://ammascandal.wordpress.com/category/amma-scandal/
  
  
 From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Share Long
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 5:43 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Re: Holy Hell: A Memoir of Faith, 
Devotion, and Pure Madness


  
   
 I've been to Amma's gatherings a few times and liked getting hugged, liked the 
bhajans and the feeling of being at a market in India. I also liked that it was 
so different than TM gatherings which are drier and more knowledge 
based. Also it was interesting to see the Western devotees garbed in Indian 
clothing and living a more obviously ashram lifestyle. A former boyfriend left 
Purusha and ended up buying a condo at Amma's ashram in India and I got some 
insights from him about that particular path. Bottom line, we live in 
interesting times but maybe everybody in every era thinks that!
  

  
 On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 10:52 PM, emilymaenot@... 
mailto:emilymaenot@...; emilymaenot@... mailto:emilymaenot@... wrote:

   
 I only spent 3 days and just one time (although it was enough for me to spend 
hours on the internet to reconcile my reality and that of my children's with 
the experience and the experience of the family I went with and to feel 
compelled to write up my story for a post in the process).  I think Rick or 
Ravi or maybe Share? could take you up on this, but I don't want to start any 
drama.  It is a good story and it represents 20 years of her life and I respect 
it and her fully.  

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote:
 Hmmm, I would be interested to compare the experience of those who had been 
around Amma with what the author is going to reveal in her book. I would also 
like to know if what the author says resonates in any way or form with what 
someone who approaches Amma openly and sincerely would have to say about their 
experience with/of her. Everyone is different and their filtering/perception 
mechanism is different from those possessed by others. I would love to know how 
I would feel in her presence, receiving her touch and then compare it with Gail 
Tredwell's story and why and how she decided she wanted to move away from Amma. 
Anyone want to read the book and let me know about this, especially if you have 
spent time with her?

  
 ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, 
emilymaenot@... mailto:emilymaenot@... wrote:
 She wrote it largely to facilitate her healing process and it isn't a 
comprehensive look at the Amma organization, but it blows the lid off of Amma 
as the hugging saint or saint in any respect, in ways that would create the 
need for one to engage in some serious mind-bending denial to continue to see 
her (particularly as a hanger-on).  Well, I guess I just gave it a review of 
sorts, but pay no attention.  I like stories of people and their lives.  Smile. 
 

  
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote:
 Emily, I have just purchased the book and it looks like a good read. I know 
really nothing about Amma other than what I have read about her here at FFL. 
Having emerged from a cult experience myself I will be looking forward to 
seeing what the author has to say. 

  
 ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, 
sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote:
 Emily, did you find that reading this book shed some light on

Re: RE: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Re: Holy Hell: A Memoir of Faith, Devotion, and Pure Madness

To be that close to Amma for that long is bound to bring up the biggest, 
fattest stresses, karma from many, many lifetimes. May she somehow find peace 
when all is said and done.





On Thursday, November 14, 2013 2:49 PM, merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com 
wrote:
 
  
'Amma's shadow'Gail Tredwell 
last video :River of Love ◦ Mata Amritanandamayi could be shot just few 
months before she left the  ashram-?
Should be at 46m28s - 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpagev=dz6bFeYUNCU#t=2789

http://youtu.be/dz6bFeYUNCU?t=46m28s - 





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dz6bFeYUNCUfeature=youtu.bet=46m28s








The 2011-12 foreign contribution report (from 4/1/2011 through
3/31/2012 and 2010-2011) for the Mata Amritanandamayi Math is up now on the FCRA
website:
http://fcraonline.nic.in/fc3_verify.aspx?RCN=052930183Rby=2011-2012


http://fcraonline.nic.in/fc3_verify.aspx?RCN=052930183Rby=2010-2011
 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote:


Pages to read: http://ammascandal.wordpress.com/category/amma-lies/
http://ammascandal.wordpress.com/category/amma-scandal/
 
 
From:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Share Long
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 5:43 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Re: Holy Hell: A Memoir of Faith, 
Devotion, and Pure Madness
 
  
I've been to Amma's gatherings a few times and liked getting hugged, liked the 
bhajans and the feeling of being at a market in India. I also liked that it was 
so different than TM gatherings which are drier and more knowledge 
based. Also it was interesting to see the Western devotees garbed in Indian 
clothing and living a more obviously ashram lifestyle. A former boyfriend left 
Purusha and ended up buying a condo at Amma's ashram in India and I got some 
insights from him about that particular path. Bottom line, we live in 
interesting times but maybe everybody in every era thinks that!
 
 
On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 10:52 PM, emilymaenot@... emilymaenot@... 
wrote:
  
I only spent 3 days and just one time (although it was enough for me to spend 
hours on the internet to reconcile my reality and that of my children's with 
the experience and the experience of the family I went with and to feel 
compelled to write up my story for a post in the process).  I think Rick or 
Ravi or maybe Share? could take you up on this, but I don't want to start any 
drama.  It is a good story and it represents 20 years of her life and I respect 
it and her fully.  


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote:
Hmmm, I would be interested to compare the experience of those who had been 
around Amma with what the author is going to reveal in her book. I would also 
like to know if what the author says resonates in any way or form with what 
someone who approaches Amma openly and sincerely would have to say about their 
experience with/of her. Everyone is different and their filtering/perception 
mechanism is different from those possessed by others. I would love to know how 
I would feel in her presence, receiving her touch and then compare it with Gail 
Tredwell's story and why and how she decided she wanted to move away from Amma. 
Anyone want to read the book and let me know about this, especially if you have 
spent time with her?
 
---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote:
She wrote it largely to facilitate her healing process and it isn't a 
comprehensive look at the Amma organization, but it blows the lid off of Amma 
as the hugging saint or saint in any respect, in ways that would create 
the need for one to engage in some serious mind-bending denial to continue to 
see her (particularly as a hanger-on).  Well, I guess I just gave it a review 
of sorts, but pay no attention.  I like stories of people and their lives.  
Smile.  
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote:
Emily, I have just purchased the book and it looks like a good read. I know 
really nothing about Amma other than what I have read about her here at FFL. 
Having emerged from a cult experience myself I will be looking forward to 
seeing what the author has to say. 
 
---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote:
Emily, did you find that reading this book shed some light on the 
experiences you and your daughters had when you went to see Amma in person?
 
On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 1:39 AM, emilymaenot@... emilymaenot@... 
wrote:
  
I would suggest this book by Gayatri (Gail) to any Amma devotees or 
followers or those that attend just for hugs.  It's easily read in two days 
and is written sincerely and truthfully and fairly.

RE: RE: RE: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Re: Holy Hell: A Memoir of Faith, Devotion, and Pure Madness

sorry 

 should work  if you copy and past the link ---at least...it works here on the 
other side of the globe

 it's too late night here---Rick ,noozeguru et  al may figure it out- to find 
Amma's shadow

 -go figure
 Seems like a go figure pointing away to the moon. Don't concentrate on the 
go figure(it out) or you will miss all that heavenly glory.
 good night-good morning
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 'Amma's shadow'Gail Tredwell last video :River of Love ◦ Mata Amritanandamayi 
could be shot just few months before she left the  ashram-?
 Should be at 46m28s -  http://youtu.be/dz6bFeYUNCU?t=46m28s%20-
 

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpagev=dz6bFeYUNCU#t=2789 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpagev=dz6bFeYUNCU#t=2789
 

 http://youtu.be/dz6bFeYUNCU?t=46m28s -  
http://youtu.be/dz6bFeYUNCU?t=46m28s%20-


 http://youtu.be/dz6bFeYUNCU?t=46m28s%20-


 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dz6bFeYUNCUfeature=youtu.bet=46m28s 
http://youtu.be/dz6bFeYUNCU?t=46m28s%20-


 http://youtu.be/dz6bFeYUNCU?t=46m28s%20-


 http://youtu.be/dz6bFeYUNCU?t=46m28s%20-


 The 2011-12 foreign contribution report (from 4/1/2011 through
3/31/2012 and 2010-2011) for the Mata Amritanandamayi Math is up now on the FCRA
website:
 http://fcraonline.nic.in/fc3_verify.aspx?RCN=052930183Rby=2011-2012 
http://fcraonline.nic.in/fc3_verify.aspx?RCN=052930183Rby=2011-2012
 

 

 http://fcraonline.nic.in/fc3_verify.aspx?RCN=052930183Rby=2010-2011 
http://fcraonline.nic.in/fc3_verify.aspx?RCN=052930183Rby=2010-2011
  
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote:

 Pages to read: http://ammascandal.wordpress.com/category/amma-lies/ 
http://ammascandal.wordpress.com/category/amma-lies/
 http://ammascandal.wordpress.com/category/amma-scandal/ 
http://ammascandal.wordpress.com/category/amma-scandal/
  
  
 From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Share Long
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 5:43 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Re: Holy Hell: A Memoir of Faith, 
Devotion, and Pure Madness


  
   
 I've been to Amma's gatherings a few times and liked getting hugged, liked the 
bhajans and the feeling of being at a market in India. I also liked that it was 
so different than TM gatherings which are drier and more knowledge 
based. Also it was interesting to see the Western devotees garbed in Indian 
clothing and living a more obviously ashram lifestyle. A former boyfriend left 
Purusha and ended up buying a condo at Amma's ashram in India and I got some 
insights from him about that particular path. Bottom line, we live in 
interesting times but maybe everybody in every era thinks that!
  

  
 On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 10:52 PM, emilymaenot@... 
mailto:emilymaenot@...; emilymaenot@... mailto:emilymaenot@... wrote:

   
 I only spent 3 days and just one time (although it was enough for me to spend 
hours on the internet to reconcile my reality and that of my children's with 
the experience and the experience of the family I went with and to feel 
compelled to write up my story for a post in the process).  I think Rick or 
Ravi or maybe Share? could take you up on this, but I don't want to start any 
drama.  It is a good story and it represents 20 years of her life and I respect 
it and her fully.  

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote:
 Hmmm, I would be interested to compare the experience of those who had been 
around Amma with what the author is going to reveal in her book. I would also 
like to know if what the author says resonates in any way or form with what 
someone who approaches Amma openly and sincerely would have to say about their 
experience with/of her. Everyone is different and their filtering/perception 
mechanism is different from those possessed by others. I would love to know how 
I would feel in her presence, receiving her touch and then compare it with Gail 
Tredwell's story and why and how she decided she wanted to move away from Amma. 
Anyone want to read the book and let me know about this, especially if you have 
spent time with her?

  
 ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, 
emilymaenot@... mailto:emilymaenot@... wrote:
 She wrote it largely to facilitate her healing process and it isn't a 
comprehensive look at the Amma organization, but it blows the lid off of Amma 
as the hugging saint or saint in any respect, in ways that would create the 
need for one to engage in some serious mind-bending denial to continue to see 
her (particularly as a hanger-on).  Well, I guess I just gave it a review of 
sorts, but pay no attention.  I like stories of people and their lives.  Smile. 
 

  
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote:

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Fw: Fwd: Interesting facts about the earth

If you have no idea, Judy, then why are you questioning what I wrote?! You're 
not making any sense at all.





On Thursday, November 14, 2013 2:17 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com 
authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  
I have no idea, Share.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote:


Ok, Judy, just for the fun of it, tell us what you think happened.





On Thursday, November 14, 2013 1:19 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote:
 
  
Uh-huh.
 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote:


yep, that's what happened.




On Thursday, November 14, 2013 12:33 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... 
wrote:
 
  
Right, Share. And you understood Click the + sign cursor in your browser to 
mean Go to the graphic and swing your cursor over it, a little plus sign 
appears and that's what one clicks on. That what you're telling us?




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote:


I didn't write that Judy. It was part of the email I received and I figured if 
I understood it, then anybody would!





On Thursday, November 14, 2013 10:53 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... 
wrote:
 
  
Do you think Click the + sign cursor in your browser was the clearest way to 
describe this?

Share wrote::


 Judy, if you go to the graphic and swing your cursor over it, a little plus 
 sign 
 appears and that's what one clicks on. 





On Thursday, November 14, 2013 10:14 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... 
wrote:
 
  
What is the + sign cursor? 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote:



 
Click the + sign cursor in your browser
http://www.funchief.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/simple_facts_that_will_increase_your_knowledge_about_our_planet_01s.jpg







This email was sent to danabrekke@... 
why did I get this?unsubscribe from this listupdate subscription 
preferences 
Rick Archer · 1108 South B Street · Fairfield, Iowa 52556 · USA

Re: RE: RE: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Re: Holy Hell: A Memoir of Faith, Devotion, and Pure Madness

Funnily enough, merudandaji, River of Love is what first introduced me to the 
kirtan of Krishna Das.
good night and as Anartaxius teaches us to say: may you have the best of all 
experience.





On Thursday, November 14, 2013 3:02 PM, merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com 
wrote:
 
  
sorry 

should work  if you copy and past the link ---at least...it works here on the 
other side of the globe

it's too late night here---Rick ,noozeguru et  al may figure it out- to find 
Amma's shadow

-go figure
Seems like a go figure pointing away to the moon. Don't concentrate on the 
go figure(it out) or you will miss all that heavenly glory.
good night-good morning


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:


'Amma's shadow'Gail Tredwell 
last video :River of Love ◦ Mata Amritanandamayi could be shot just few 
months before she left the  ashram-?
Should be at 46m28s - 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpagev=dz6bFeYUNCU#t=2789

http://youtu.be/dz6bFeYUNCU?t=46m28s - 





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dz6bFeYUNCUfeature=youtu.bet=46m28s








The 2011-12 foreign contribution report (from 4/1/2011 through
3/31/2012 and 2010-2011) for the Mata Amritanandamayi Math is up now on the FCRA
website:
http://fcraonline.nic.in/fc3_verify.aspx?RCN=052930183Rby=2011-2012


http://fcraonline.nic.in/fc3_verify.aspx?RCN=052930183Rby=2010-2011
 



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote:


Pages to read: http://ammascandal.wordpress.com/category/amma-lies/
http://ammascandal.wordpress.com/category/amma-scandal/
 
 
From:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Share Long
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 5:43 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Re: Holy Hell: A Memoir of Faith, 
Devotion, and Pure Madness
 
  
I've been to Amma's gatherings a few times and liked getting hugged, liked the 
bhajans and the feeling of being at a market in India. I also liked that it 
was so different than TM gatherings which are drier and more knowledge 
based. Also it was interesting to see the Western devotees garbed in Indian 
clothing and living a more obviously ashram lifestyle. A former boyfriend left 
Purusha and ended up buying a condo at Amma's ashram in India and I got some 
insights from him about that particular path. Bottom line, we live in 
interesting times but maybe everybody in every era thinks that!
 
 
On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 10:52 PM, emilymaenot@... emilymaenot@... 
wrote:
  
I only spent 3 days and just one time (although it was enough for me to spend 
hours on the internet to reconcile my reality and that of my children's with 
the experience and the experience of the family I went with and to feel 
compelled to write up my story for a post in the process).  I think Rick or 
Ravi or maybe Share? could take you up on this, but I don't want to start any 
drama.  It is a good story and it represents 20 years of her life and I 
respect it and her fully.  


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote:
Hmmm, I would be interested to compare the experience of those who had been 
around Amma with what the author is going to reveal in her book. I would also 
like to know if what the author says resonates in any way or form with what 
someone who approaches Amma openly and sincerely would have to say about their 
experience with/of her. Everyone is different and their filtering/perception 
mechanism is different from those possessed by others. I would love to know 
how I would feel in her presence, receiving her touch and then compare it with 
Gail Tredwell's story and why and how she decided she wanted to move away from 
Amma. Anyone want to read the book and let me know about this, especially if 
you have spent time with her?
 
---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote:
She wrote it largely to facilitate her healing process and it isn't a 
comprehensive look at the Amma organization, but it blows the lid off of 
Amma as the hugging saint or saint in any respect, in ways that would 
create the need for one to engage in some serious mind-bending denial to 
continue to see her (particularly as a hanger-on).  Well, I guess I just 
gave it a review of sorts, but pay no attention.  I like stories of people 
and their lives.  Smile.  
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote:
Emily, I have just purchased the book and it looks like a good read. I know 
really nothing about Amma other than what I have read about her here at 
FFL. Having emerged from a cult experience myself I will be looking forward 
to seeing what the author has to say. 
 
---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote:
Emily, did you find that reading this book shed some light on the 
experiences you and your daughters had when you went to see Amma in person?
 
On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 1:39 AM, emilymaenot@... emilymaenot@... 
wrote:
  
I would suggest

RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Fw: Fwd: Interesting facts about the earth

Share, you should learn to say I can't make sense of what you're saying 
rather than You're not making sense. Nine times out of ten--maybe more 
often--the first will be more accurate.
 

 Now, think about why it doesn't make sense to you that I should want to 
understand what you're claiming about what happened. See if you can explain to 
me what's so puzzling about that, OK? And then explain why you think I must 
have a different idea of what happened.
 

 Think it through, Share. Think it through. Don't just thrash around.
 

 Share gabbled:

  If you have no idea, Judy, then why are you questioning what I wrote?! 
  You're 
  not making any sense at all.
 

 
 
 On Thursday, November 14, 2013 2:17 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... 
wrote:
 
   I have no idea, Share.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote:

 Ok, Judy, just for the fun of it, tell us what you think happened.
 

 
 
 On Thursday, November 14, 2013 1:19 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... 
wrote:
 
   Uh-huh.
  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote:

 yep, that's what happened.
 
 
 
 On Thursday, November 14, 2013 12:33 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... 
wrote:
 
   Right, Share. And you understood Click the + sign cursor in your browser 
to mean Go to the graphic and swing your cursor over it, a little plus sign 
appears and that's what one clicks on. That what you're telling us?
 

 

 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote:

 I didn't write that Judy. It was part of the email I received and I figured if 
I understood it, then anybody would!
 

 
 
 On Thursday, November 14, 2013 10:53 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... 
wrote:
 
   Do you think Click the + sign cursor in your browser was the clearest way 
to describe this?
 

 Share wrote::

  Judy, if you go to the graphic and swing your cursor over it, a little plus 
  sign 
  appears and that's what one clicks on. 
 

 
 
 On Thursday, November 14, 2013 10:14 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... 
wrote:
 
   What is the + sign cursor? 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote:
 

 Click the + sign cursor in your browser
 
http://www.funchief.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/simple_facts_that_will_increase_your_knowledge_about_our_planet_01s.jpg
 
http://batgap.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=62b7e50ba8598f35e2edf91d5id=24e15821a6e=5b8bf6a60c

RE: Re: RE: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Re: Holy Hell: A Memoir of Faith, Devotion, and Pure Madness

2013-11-14 Thread emilymaenot

You sound like a devotee.  Read the book Share.  It is a very interesting book 
and includes a lot of detail  on what it was like to live in India re: the 
culture, her journey, etc.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote:

 To be that close to Amma for that long is bound to bring up the biggest, 
fattest stresses, karma from many, many lifetimes. May she somehow find peace 
when all is said and done.
 

 
 
 On Thursday, November 14, 2013 2:49 PM, merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com 
wrote:
 
   'Amma's shadow'Gail Tredwell last video :River of Love ◦ Mata 
Amritanandamayi could be shot just few months before she left the  ashram-?
 Should be at 46m28s -  http://youtu.be/dz6bFeYUNCU?t=46m28s%20-
 

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpagev=dz6bFeYUNCU#t=2789 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpagev=dz6bFeYUNCU#t=2789
 

 http://youtu.be/dz6bFeYUNCU?t=46m28s -  
http://youtu.be/dz6bFeYUNCU?t=46m28s%20-


 http://youtu.be/dz6bFeYUNCU?t=46m28s%20-


 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dz6bFeYUNCUfeature=youtu.bet=46m28s 
http://youtu.be/dz6bFeYUNCU?t=46m28s%20-


 http://youtu.be/dz6bFeYUNCU?t=46m28s%20-


 http://youtu.be/dz6bFeYUNCU?t=46m28s%20-


 The 2011-12 foreign contribution report (from 4/1/2011 through
3/31/2012 and 2010-2011) for the Mata Amritanandamayi Math is up now on the FCRA
website:
 http://fcraonline.nic.in/fc3_verify.aspx?RCN=052930183Rby=2011-2012 
http://fcraonline.nic.in/fc3_verify.aspx?RCN=052930183Rby=2011-2012
 

 

 http://fcraonline.nic.in/fc3_verify.aspx?RCN=052930183Rby=2010-2011 
http://fcraonline.nic.in/fc3_verify.aspx?RCN=052930183Rby=2010-2011
  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote:

 Pages to read: http://ammascandal.wordpress.com/category/amma-lies/ 
http://ammascandal.wordpress.com/category/amma-lies/
 http://ammascandal.wordpress.com/category/amma-scandal/ 
http://ammascandal.wordpress.com/category/amma-scandal/
  
  
 From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Share Long
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 5:43 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Re: Holy Hell: A Memoir of Faith, 
Devotion, and Pure Madness


  
   
 I've been to Amma's gatherings a few times and liked getting hugged, liked the 
bhajans and the feeling of being at a market in India. I also liked that it was 
so different than TM gatherings which are drier and more knowledge 
based. Also it was interesting to see the Western devotees garbed in Indian 
clothing and living a more obviously ashram lifestyle. A former boyfriend left 
Purusha and ended up buying a condo at Amma's ashram in India and I got some 
insights from him about that particular path. Bottom line, we live in 
interesting times but maybe everybody in every era thinks that!
  

  
 On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 10:52 PM, emilymaenot@... 
mailto:emilymaenot@...; emilymaenot@... mailto:emilymaenot@... wrote:

   
 I only spent 3 days and just one time (although it was enough for me to spend 
hours on the internet to reconcile my reality and that of my children's with 
the experience and the experience of the family I went with and to feel 
compelled to write up my story for a post in the process).  I think Rick or 
Ravi or maybe Share? could take you up on this, but I don't want to start any 
drama.  It is a good story and it represents 20 years of her life and I respect 
it and her fully.  

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote:
 Hmmm, I would be interested to compare the experience of those who had been 
around Amma with what the author is going to reveal in her book. I would also 
like to know if what the author says resonates in any way or form with what 
someone who approaches Amma openly and sincerely would have to say about their 
experience with/of her. Everyone is different and their filtering/perception 
mechanism is different from those possessed by others. I would love to know how 
I would feel in her presence, receiving her touch and then compare it with Gail 
Tredwell's story and why and how she decided she wanted to move away from Amma. 
Anyone want to read the book and let me know about this, especially if you have 
spent time with her?

  
 ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, 
emilymaenot@... mailto:emilymaenot@... wrote:
 She wrote it largely to facilitate her healing process and it isn't a 
comprehensive look at the Amma organization, but it blows the lid off of Amma 
as the hugging saint or saint in any respect, in ways that would create the 
need for one to engage in some serious mind-bending denial to continue to see 
her (particularly as a hanger-on).  Well, I guess I just gave it a review of 
sorts, but pay no attention.  I like stories of people and their lives.  Smile. 
 

  
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Re: Holy Hell: A Memoir of Faith, Devotion, and Pure Madness

2013-11-14 Thread emilymaenot

The Amma org put this website together and included these stories to discredit 
Gail - they are in massive attack mode on as many fronts as possible.  Rick, 
come on now.  Have you read the book?  If so, come on out and state what you 
think.   
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote:

 Thanks, Rick.
 
 
 
 On Thursday, November 14, 2013 12:19 PM, Rick Archer rick@... wrote:
 
   Pages to read: http://ammascandal.wordpress.com/category/amma-lies/ 
http://ammascandal.wordpress.com/category/amma-lies/
 http://ammascandal.wordpress.com/category/amma-scandal/ 
http://ammascandal.wordpress.com/category/amma-scandal/
  
  
 From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Share Long
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 5:43 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Re: Holy Hell: A Memoir of Faith, 
Devotion, and Pure Madness


  
   
 I've been to Amma's gatherings a few times and liked getting hugged, liked the 
bhajans and the feeling of being at a market in India. I also liked that it was 
so different than TM gatherings which are drier and more knowledge 
based. Also it was interesting to see the Western devotees garbed in Indian 
clothing and living a more obviously ashram lifestyle. A former boyfriend left 
Purusha and ended up buying a condo at Amma's ashram in India and I got some 
insights from him about that particular path. Bottom line, we live in 
interesting times but maybe everybody in every era thinks that!
  

  
 On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 10:52 PM, emilymaenot@... 
mailto:emilymaenot@...; emilymaenot@... mailto:emilymaenot@... wrote:

   
 I only spent 3 days and just one time (although it was enough for me to spend 
hours on the internet to reconcile my reality and that of my children's with 
the experience and the experience of the family I went with and to feel 
compelled to write up my story for a post in the process).  I think Rick or 
Ravi or maybe Share? could take you up on this, but I don't want to start any 
drama.  It is a good story and it represents 20 years of her life and I respect 
it and her fully.  

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote:
 Hmmm, I would be interested to compare the experience of those who had been 
around Amma with what the author is going to reveal in her book. I would also 
like to know if what the author says resonates in any way or form with what 
someone who approaches Amma openly and sincerely would have to say about their 
experience with/of her. Everyone is different and their filtering/perception 
mechanism is different from those possessed by others. I would love to know how 
I would feel in her presence, receiving her touch and then compare it with Gail 
Tredwell's story and why and how she decided she wanted to move away from Amma. 
Anyone want to read the book and let me know about this, especially if you have 
spent time with her?

  
 ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, 
emilymaenot@... mailto:emilymaenot@... wrote:
 She wrote it largely to facilitate her healing process and it isn't a 
comprehensive look at the Amma organization, but it blows the lid off of Amma 
as the hugging saint or saint in any respect, in ways that would create the 
need for one to engage in some serious mind-bending denial to continue to see 
her (particularly as a hanger-on).  Well, I guess I just gave it a review of 
sorts, but pay no attention.  I like stories of people and their lives.  Smile. 
 

  
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote:
 Emily, I have just purchased the book and it looks like a good read. I know 
really nothing about Amma other than what I have read about her here at FFL. 
Having emerged from a cult experience myself I will be looking forward to 
seeing what the author has to say. 

  
 ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, 
sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote:
 Emily, did you find that reading this book shed some light on the experiences 
you and your daughters had when you went to see Amma in person?
  
 On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 1:39 AM, emilymaenot@... 
mailto:emilymaenot@...; emilymaenot@... mailto:emilymaenot@... wrote:

   
 I would suggest this book by Gayatri (Gail) to any Amma devotees or followers 
or those that attend just for hugs.  It's easily read in two days and is 
written sincerely and truthfully and fairly.

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Re: Holy Hell: A Memoir of Faith, Devotion, and Pure Madness

2013-11-14 Thread Bhairitu

Yahoo is burping badly or the NSA pigs are holding things up.  I 
responded to Share's response to my post earlier this morning and it 
hasn't shown up yet.


On 11/14/2013 01:02 PM, merudanda wrote:


sorry

should work  if you copy and past the link ---at least...it works here 
on the other side of the globe


it's too late night here---Rick ,noozeguru et  al may figure it out- 
to find Amma's shadow


-go figure

Seems like a /go figure/ pointing away to the /moon/. Don't 
concentrate on the go figure(it out)// or you will miss all that 
heavenly glory.


good night-good morning

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2013-11-14 Thread FFL PostCount

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 67 Share Long 
 51 Richard J. Williams 
 42 s3raphita
 36 awoelflebater
 35 TurquoiseB 
 28 Bhairitu 
 23 emptybill
 23 dhamiltony2k5
 22 jr_esq
 16 emilymaenot
 11 cardemaister
  9 yifuxero
  9 sharelong60
  6 merudanda 
  6 Richard Williams 
  5 anartaxius
  4 doctordumbass
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Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Fw: Fwd: Interesting facts about the earth

Maybe it's time for authfriend to read some tips on Netiquette:

1. Never include the name of your private business in your handle when
posting to public newsgroups.
2. Try to keep your professional life separate from your personal
communications.

3. Never post to a discussion group using company equipment on company time.
4. When working from a home office, keep a record of your time spent on
discussion groups to make sure you don't charge your clients for time
you spent yakking online.

Zen and the Art of the Internet:
http://www.cs.indiana.edu/docproject/zen/zen-1.0_1.html

On 11/14/2013 3:41 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:

Share, you should learn to say I can't make sense of what you're
saying rather than You're not making sense. Nine times out of
ten--maybe more often--the first will be more accurate.

Now, think about why it doesn't make sense to you that I should want
to understand what you're claiming about what happened. See if you can
explain to me what's so puzzling about that, OK? And then explain why
you think I must have a different idea of what happened.

Think it through, Share. Think it through. Don't just thrash around.

Share gabbled:

If you have no idea, Judy, then why are you questioning what I wrote?!
You're

not making any sense at all.

On Thursday, November 14, 2013 2:17 PM, authfriend@...
authfriend@... wrote:

I have no idea, Share.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote:

Ok, Judy, just for the fun of it, tell us what you think happened.

On Thursday, November 14, 2013 1:19 PM, authfriend@...
authfriend@... wrote:

*Uh-huh.*

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote:

yep, that's what happened.

On Thursday, November 14, 2013 12:33 PM, authfriend@...
authfriend@... wrote:
*Right, Share. And you understood Click the + sign cursor in your
browser to mean Go to the graphic and swing your cursor over it, a
little plus sign appears and that's what one clicks on. That what
you're telling us?*

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote:

I didn't write that Judy. It was part of the email I received and I
figured if I understood it, then anybody would!

On Thursday, November 14, 2013 10:53 AM, authfriend@...
authfriend@... wrote:
Do you think Click the + sign cursor in your browser was the
clearest way to describe this?

Share wrote::

Judy, if you go to the graphic and swing your cursor over it, a little plus
sign
appears and that's what one clicks on.

On Thursday, November 14, 2013 10:14 AM, authfriend@...
authfriend@... wrote:

What is the + sign cursor?

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote:

Click the + sign cursor in your browser
http://www.funchief.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/simple_facts_that_will_increase_your_knowledge_about_our_planet_01s.jpg
http://batgap.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=62b7e50ba8598f35e2edf91d5id=24e15821a6e=5b8bf6a60c

[FairfieldLife] RE: Acronym Test

2013-11-14 Thread punditster

I'd rather be biking!  
   
   = __o   
  \`,  
= (*) % (*)
~ 

 

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote:

= __o   
   \`,  
 = (*) % (*)
 ~
 
 On 11/13/2013 2:13 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:
 
   Out of necessity today, I created a new Net acronym. I needed to say 
Whatever The Fuck, and needed all those letters to do it. So here's a test to 
see whether the symbol shows up on FFL:
 
 
 WâˆžTF
 
 :-)

RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Fw: Fwd: Interesting facts about the earth

This is all trolling, stuff Richard made up. If anyone here takes Richard
seriously enough to want a detailed refutation, let me know.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote:

Maybe it's time for authfriend to read some tips on Netiquette:

1. Never include the name of your private business in your handle when posting
to public newsgroups.
2. Try to keep your professional life separate from your personal
communications.
3. Never post to a discussion group using company equipment on company time.
4. When working from a home office, keep a record of your time spent on
discussion groups to make sure you don't charge your clients for time you spent
yakking online.

Zen and the Art of the Internet:
http://www.cs.indiana.edu/docproject/zen/zen-1.0_1.html
http://www.cs.indiana.edu/docproject/zen/zen-1.0_1.html

On 11/14/2013 3:41 PM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote:

Share, you should learn to say I can't make sense of what you're saying
rather than You're not making sense. Nine times out of ten--maybe more
often--the first will be more accurate.

Now, think about why it doesn't make sense to you that I should want to
understand what you're claiming about what happened. See if you can explain to
me what's so puzzling about that, OK? And then explain why you think I must
have a different idea of what happened.

Think it through, Share. Think it through. Don't just thrash around.

Share gabbled:

If you have no idea, Judy, then why are you questioning what I wrote?!
You're
not making any sense at all.

On Thursday, November 14, 2013 2:17 PM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@...
authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote:

I have no idea, Share.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote:

Ok, Judy, just for the fun of it, tell us what you think happened.

On Thursday, November 14, 2013 1:19 PM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@...
authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote:

Uh-huh.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote:

yep, that's what happened.

On Thursday, November 14, 2013 12:33 PM, authfriend@...
mailto:authfriend@... authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote:

Right, Share. And you understood Click the + sign cursor in your browser
to mean Go to the graphic and swing your cursor over it, a little plus sign
appears and that's what one clicks on. That what you're telling us?

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote:

I didn't write that Judy. It was part of the email I received and I figured if
I understood it, then anybody would!

On Thursday, November 14, 2013 10:53 AM, authfriend@...
mailto:authfriend@... authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote:

Do you think Click the + sign cursor in your browser was the clearest way
to describe this?

Share wrote::

Judy, if you go to the graphic and swing your cursor over it, a little plus
sign
appears and that's what one clicks on.

On Thursday, November 14, 2013 10:14 AM, authfriend@...
mailto:authfriend@... authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote:

What is the + sign cursor?

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote:

Click the + sign cursor in your browser

http://www.funchief.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/simple_facts_that_will_increase_your_knowledge_about_our_planet_01s.jpg

http://batgap.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=62b7e50ba8598f35e2edf91d5id=24e15821a6e=5b8bf6a60c

[FairfieldLife] RE: Hitler - our part in his rise

2013-11-14 Thread emptybill

That's why he's so dick.tatorial. 

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote:

 Ann and Seraphita, he's a TROLL. That's his whole shtick, has been since over 
a decade ago back on alt.m.t. He likes to sow confusion and dissension and 
annoyance just for the fun of it. The more you interact with him or even just 
talk about him--positively or negatively--the more trollish he becomes. He 
isn't here for discussion or conversation or to learn anything, and he doesn't 
care what people say about him.
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote:

 Richard just wants to be the dictatorial one around here. He makes up 
arbitrary rules and decides what is crap and what isn't. Based, of course, on 
nothing but his need to be heard by someone, by anyone. Maybe no one listens to 
him at home or he is the low man on the totem pole, so to speak, so he has to 
lord it over us here at FFL. Shall we humor him? Nah.
 

 ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote:

 Don't know why Richard gets so upset about an amusing tidbit about Adolf 
(inflammatory messages!) but just to say . . . 
 

 If you're interested in Hitler, send your messages to the Nazi group.  
 Everyone has *some* interest in Hitler surely? If you want to know why the 
world we're living in today is the way it is you need to know about the Nazi 
dictator.  

 

 If you're a Nazi and an admirer of Hitler, don't send messages about Hitler to 
a spiritual group.
 Can't say I'm much of a fan! But Nazis and spiritual groups aren't as 
incompatible as you (understandably) assume. Esoteric Nazism is a term used 
to describe mystical interpretations of Nazism current after 1945. Savitri Devi 
and Miguel Serrano were two prominent advocates and included a lot of ideas 
from eastern religions in the mix. Devi came up with the idea that Hitler had 
been an avatar of Vishnu (!); Serrano was heavily into tantric sex practices. 
Both seem to have been pretty unpleasant characters! There's a link here to an 
interview with Serrano; it's a heady mix of Catharism, Shiva, the Great Mother, 
Islam, the Queen of Sheba, Carl Jung . . . a bewildering stew of esoteric 
ideas. I suspect a lot of this right-wing esotericism is just a higher form 
of snobbery. People trying to persuade themselves they're a cut above the 
common folk. I see the piece was translated by Brother Francis, Franciscan 
Solitary in the Brahmanic Order of Kristos-Lucifer-Wotan a typically grandiose 
title that reveals the power hunger at the root of these people. The interview 
is not without a certain horrid fascination though.
 http://tinyurl.com/q7onvmv http://tinyurl.com/q7onvmv  
 

 

 

 ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote:

 It sure didn't take long for this thread to go to shit, so I guess you proved 
my point. But, we're not too big on Hitler style racial profiling down here 
where I live. Apparently that's your style, but it makes you look like someone 
who bases their opinions on birth circumstances - I live in what used to be 
called Mexico. Go figure.
 
 On 11/13/2013 8:11 PM, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote:
 
   Reading Richard, so to speak, is proving a waste of time and very, very 
repetitive. The guy couldn't admit something was worthwhile if he was held at 
gunpoint, which is not beyond the realm of possibility in the place that he 
lives. On the other hand he is giving Buck a run for his money on who is the 
most pedantic and inflexible not to mention broken record-like. Ricky seems to 
have an infinite capacity to scold.
 
 
 ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, 
emilymaenot@... mailto:emilymaenot@... wrote:
 
 You'd already worn yourself out conversing with him.  Reading Richard is 
tiring.   
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote:
 
 See how exhausted I was?! I couldn't even construct a sensible sentence! 
correction:
 Jeez, Richard, I feel exhausted just reading all these rules!
 
 
 
 
 On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 12:22 PM, Share Long sharelong60@... 
mailto:sharelong60@... wrote:
 
   Jeez, Richard, I feel exhausted to reading all these rules!
 
 
 
 
 On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 11:56 AM, Richard J. Williams punditster@... 
mailto:punditster@... wrote:
 
   
 Yeah, I'm with Buck on this one. There's probably no need to send anonymous, 
nonsensical posts about Adolph Hitler's face hair to a spiritual discussion 
group. Maybe it's time to review a few netiquette protocols:
 
 1. Don't send inflammatory messages to the discussion group.
 2. Make sure to send your message to the appropriate group.
 3. Try to make yourself look good on the internet.
 
 Notes: Send messages about Hitler to the Nazi group; send messages about 
Hitler's face hair to the Veterans Day thread; don't send messages about planes 
to the locomotive group. Make yourself look good by

[FairfieldLife] RE: Transcendental Meditation Revolutionary Mission:

What you are saying anartaxius is what I've been trying to say in my own 
inarticulate and fumbling way.  
 

 Re  If the Self of the universe is considered to be Absolute Being, does it 
really evolve or grow?:  
 That's my problem with the idea of a Kali Yuga (or any other yuga). Everything 
is hunky-dory exactly as it is. We (which includes me) don't see that as we 
judge everything from our own limited perspective. 
 

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote:

 I wonder though, if it can be guaranteed that a future self will be any more 
wise than the current model, does the self model Mark II have any wisdom 
advantage over self model Mark I. If the self of the universe is considered to 
be absolute being, does it really evolve or grow? And if evolution means 
advancing to that state of experience, and one ends up as absolute being, 
essentially unchanging with the appearance only of change, have we gone forward 
or backward?
 

 Further the word 'self'. What exactly, is a 'self'? Is there really such a 
thing as a self? Science as not located anything that could be 'self' in the 
physiology; neuroscience seems to be tending to the idea that while there is a 
process going on in the brain, there is no such thing as a self inside. This is 
also a tenet of Buddhism, Buddha's central thesis is there is no self (small 
's'), that it is a fiction. If we look to other traditions, such as M's, we 
find that, whatever the small self might be, it will dissolve and become the 
Self (with a big 'S').
 

 Also, our ideas of what we are as 'a person' seem to lie behind our thinking 
about what self and Self is, that is, an intelligent, intentional entity of 
some kind that acts, but when we investigate, for example with meditation, we 
find an existential blank, undefined being. Since it is undefined as an 
experience, how could that be a self in the sense there is some-thing there, as 
we tend to think of a person? Transcendental consciousness, if we define that 
state with those words, is always the same, so it does not evolve.
 

 If that blank is the container of our experience, is it really a 'self'? For 
example, if we have a bowl of rice, and we remove the rice and just have the 
space for the rice in the bowl, is that space 'rice'? It would seem not. The 
bowl is certainly not rice, and without the rice it is not a 'bowl of rice', 
it's just a bowl.
 

 It just seems to me that whenever we try to define what a self is, or attempt 
to find one, it is not really there at all. Some quality was there, upon 
retroflection, as a memory, but it always seems to be an undefined quality.
 

 And when we look at ways 'Self', (with the big 'S') is described, it also 
tends to be a melange of contradictions. Example, in the Bhagavad-Gite, Krisha 
in describing the 'Self' at one point says 'I am the probability of the 
gambler's dice'. As a 'self' in the conventional sense, that certainly does not 
sound like a 'self'.
 

 Does all this mean that 'self', or 'Self', is not a very good way to describe 
what are, that is, is a ludicrous attempt to describe something or a state of 
being that is in reality very unlike what we are attempting define, attempting 
to define what is indefinable, and in so doing giving our-'selves' a misleading 
image?
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote:

 
 I think it's even possible that our future, way more evolved selves can, if 
needed, help our present day selves. :
 

 Yes, I like that idea. It crops up in occult circles where it is held that our 
personal Holy Guardian Angel is actually our future wise(r) self.
 

 ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote:

 Seraphita, I think it's even possible that our future, way more evolved selves 
can, if needed, help our present day selves. I think Now contains past and 
future and it's just a matter of sufficient brain development for us to be able 
to live that reality. For example, finding old photos of ourselves can prompt 
us to put our attention helpfully on our younger self. That was an experience I 
had when my Mom accidently found pictures of my 9th birthday party.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Grab a draft copy of the TPP

2013-11-14 Thread Bhairitu

[A resend]
Corpricans, Share, Corpricans NOT Capricorns. Corprica is the evil
empire of mega corporations running the world through corporatocracy or
maybe corporatocrazy.

On 11/14/2013 09:22 AM, Share Long wrote:
noozguru, whatcha got against Capricorns?! Anyway, strange bedfellows
being created: Hollywood/recording entertainment industries and Big
Pharma?!

On Thursday, November 14, 2013 11:14 AM, Bhairitu
noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

Another article on the situation and what Herr Obama is pushing:
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/11/14/wikileaks-reveals-secret-trade-agreement-that-could-crack-down-on-web-freedom/

We must rise up and fight the war against the Corpricans!

On 11/14/2013 08:24 AM, Share Long wrote:
Thanks for posting noozguru, esp the HuffPost article. Are we all
getting punch drunk with these repeated attacks on our privacy and
freedom of speech? BTW, I could see Elizabeth Warren riding to
political stardom on this issue if she follows up.

On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 6:04 PM, Bhairitu
noozg...@sbcglobal.net mailto:noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

Wikileaks has posted a draft version of the highly secret Trans-Pacific
Partnership. Our pretentious corporate puppets want to pass this
legislation without Congress even being able to see it. We need to stop
this or live as slaves the rest of our lives. What is wrong with these
people that they think it is a good idea. It is NAFTA on steroids.

http://rt.com/usa/wikileaks-tpp-ip-dotcom-670/

RT has posted it as a Scribd downloadable PDF.

Alan Grayson on the TPP:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/18/alan-grayson-trans-pacific-partnership_n_3456167.html

[FairfieldLife] RE: Transcendental Meditation Revolutionary Mission:

That's a great question, Richard: for whom is one seeking enlightenment?
 

 I never met anyone who wasn't seeking enlightenment for him/herself. That's 
the absurdity that the Zen people tried to expose. 
 

 Nisargadatta Maharaj - a genuine realised master - always said that those who 
came to hear him would leave disappointed when they saw there was nothing in it 
for themselves.  
 

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote:

 That's a great question, Richard: for whom is one seeking enlightenment? And I 
think it changes over time. Hopefully! 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote:

 This is a very weak defense of your beliefs. As a Buddhist you should already 
know that the Buddha's rationale for teaching hinged on the fact that he became 
enlightened  - and the nature of his enlightenment. 
 
 According to the Buddha himself, at the moment he became enlightened he saw 
all his previous lives and all his future lives and the pain and suffering he 
had already endured for eons and the pain and suffering he was to endure in the 
future. And, he saw in one fell swoop all the suffering that all humans will 
endure, past and present and future. At that moment he realized the truth of 
suffering (samsara), action (karma) and rebirth (reincarnation) and how to end 
suffering following an Eightfold Path.
 
 The Buddha at that moment realized that everything happens for a reason; 
because of this, that occurs. Just like in a game of billiards depends on cause 
and effect and gravity sucks. It's not complicated. 
 
 So, we know that causation rules the physical world, but is there a moral 
reciprocity as well? It's always best to err on the side of caution. That's why 
Buddhists are supposed to be compassionate and to do no harm. You left out the 
reason why you were seeking the spiritual life! Is it for you own gain or for 
the benefit of others? That's the real question.
 
 . And what was the On 11/13/2013 1:17 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:
 
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
wrote:
 
  If you had a flashback that convinced you you were Jack the Ripper in a 
  previous life should you hand yourself in to the police? 
  Could you count on the statute of limitations getting you off the hook? 
  Could you claim in mitigation that you weren't yourself when you committed 
  the murders? 
 
 I'm going to comment on this, and leave the musings below to others. No 
offense, but the above stuff is way funny, and creative, and that tickles my 
funny bone. But -- having kinda been there done that with this experience -- 
theorizing about it doesn't really float my boat. 
 
 I'm like that with many of my most interesting spiritual experiences. I was 
there. I experienced these things, some of them that fall into the Blade Runner 
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe category. But I can't tell you 
definitively what they were. Heck, I'm still trying to figure many of them out 
myself. 
 
 Maybe it's a Buddhist thang. They were never all that interested in the why 
things are happening, only in *that* they are happening, and how to make the 
best of that. I'm kinda drawn that way myself. 
 
  No one picked up on my alternative suggestion that memories of previous 
  lives could be explained not by any one individual going through a serial 
  succession of different life stories but rather could be explained as 
  someone accessing our common, racial memory. 
  By what mechanism? 
  1) Occultists talk about shells of the dead left behind in the astral 
  realm. Really, though, the shells are used to explain what mediums access 
  when they contact the recently deceased. The shells dissipate over time so 
  wouldn't explain distant memories. 
  2) Memories are passed on through our DNA by some unknown mechanism? (This 
  wouldn't work for Michael's recall of being a pious hermit in medieval 
  France - unless he had a relapse into sinful passions - monks don't have 
  kids.) Of course, the further back in time you peer the more common 
  ancestors we all have. 
  3) All human (and non-human) life experiences are stored in the Akashic 
  Records. This looks the most promising line to take. 
  The advantage of this theory - that past-life memories are simply people 
  accessing the Akashic field - are: 
  (i) It explains why more than one person can claim to have memories of an 
  historical figure. 
  (ii) It fits better Buddhist ideas of anatta. 
  (iii) It explains why Cleopatra pops up so much; her thumbprint on the 
  Akashic field is bigger than most peoples. 
  
  
  
  ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, 
  sharelong60@ wrote: 
  
  fwiw, I figured we had all been in a previous life together and then a 
  healer mentioned that out of the blue about a month ago. My intuition says 
  Atlantis but I've not had any experiences to confirm. Hope we get it right 
  this time around (-: 
  
  
  
  On

[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Transcendental Meditation Revolutionary Mission:

Seraphita wrote:
 

 (snip)
  Everything is hunky-dory exactly as it is. We (which includes me) don't see 
  that as we 
  judge everything from our own limited perspective.
 

 Which is hunky-dory exactly as it is.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Grab a draft copy of the TPP

Sorry, newsguru, I was just having fun with the words, the jyotish, etc. But I
think Capricorns can be pretty ambitious in a worldly sense.

On Thursday, November 14, 2013 8:49 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

[A resend]
Corpricans, Share, Corpricans NOT Capricorns. Corprica is the
evil empire of mega corporations running the world through
corporatocracy or maybe corporatocrazy.

On 11/14/2013 09:22 AM, Share Long wrote:

noozguru, whatcha got against Capricorns?! Anyway, strange bedfellows being
created: Hollywood/recording entertainment industries and Big Pharma?!

On Thursday, November 14, 2013 11:14 AM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net
wrote:

Another article on the situation and what Herr Obama is pushing:
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/11/14/wikileaks-reveals-secret-trade-agreement-that-could-crack-down-on-web-freedom/

We must rise up and fight the war
against the Corpricans!

On 11/14/2013 08:24 AM, Share Long
wrote:

Thanks for posting noozguru, esp the HuffPost article. Are we all getting
punch drunk with these repeated attacks on our privacy and freedom of speech?
BTW, I could see Elizabeth Warren riding to political stardom on this issue
if she follows up.

On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 6:04 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net
wrote:

Wikileaks has posted a draft version of the highly secret Trans-Pacific
Partnership.
Our
pretentious
corporate
puppets want
to pass this
legislation
without
Congress even
being able to
see it. We
need to stop
this or live
as slaves the
rest of our
lives. What is
wrong with
these
people that
they think it
is a good
idea. It is
NAFTA on
steroids.

http://rt.com/usa/wikileaks-tpp-ip-dotcom-670/

RT has posted
it as a Scribd
downloadable
PDF.

Alan Grayson
on the TPP:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/18/alan-grayson-trans-pacific-partnership_n_3456167.html

[FairfieldLife] RE: Hitler - our part in his rise