[FairfieldLife] Re: A Tale Of Two Women: Jasmine and Samantha

2014-01-10 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

  Re Her: does Scarlet/Samantha ever fight back? (Wouldn't you want a
mate to be a bitch on occasion?) Samantha is presumably programmed to be
more than obliging and accommodating but to also nudge her companion to
expand his horizons.

Hi s3raphita. I thought I'd come back and revisit your question today,
because it's an interesting one.

The answer to your first question is No, because there is nothing to
fight against. It's just one sentient entity conversing with another
one. To feel that there is something in that conversation to fight
against, one of the parties has to (IMO) have a lot of ego, heavily
invested in being right or more entitled to something than the other
party. With a lack of narcissism and ego-protection, where would that
impetus to turn the conversation into a battle come from? Samantha is
(at least in the film) somewhat of a newborn, still learning about the
world she lives in, and more important, what a she is and why and how
she is one. Challenges to the way she sees things are rightly perceived
as learning opportunities, not a Daffy Duck-like whack across the face
with a glove, challenging her to meet the other person on the field of
onions and defend her self. She's more interested (again, IMO) in
discovering what being a 'self' is than in protecting a preconceived
view of what one is.

My answer to your second question is easier. No, I would definitely NOT
want my mate to be a bitch on occasion. In fact, I find your assumption
that I (or any man) *would* want that to be rather odd and
culturally-conditioned and scary.

In my real life, I have studiously avoided bitch relationships,
because -- honestly -- life's too fuckin' short and too precious to view
it as a constant battle. I feel sorry for those people who DO view life
that way, and who conduct their lives accordingly. I am *certainly* not
about to tie myself to anyone who thinks that way in a relationship.

Even more suspect is the idea (implied IMO by what you said, although
you may not have intended it) that one of the only ways one sentient
entity can influence another is by *being* a bitch. That just does not
compute for me. IMO, when the bitchiness starts (from either side), the
communication ends. It becomes all about dueling narcissistic egos
trying to assert their dominance over other dueling, narcissistic egos.

Playful banter is not being a bitch. Calling another person on their
shit to get them to lighten up and laugh at it (and thus themselves) is
not being a bitch. Reminding another person of potential they're not
fully realizing is not being a bitch.

Only being a bitch is being a bitch. And we all intuitively know the
difference.

The difference is (again, IMO) based on narcissism, and the perception
on the part of the bitch that there is something to win in the
interaction. When that concept of battle or winning comes into
existence, so does bitchiness. Contrary to your implication, the bitch
does NOT wish the best for the person they're being bitchy to. They're
trying to *inflict damage*, to make the other entity feel as fearful of
change and as protective of their puny self as they feel.

So No, I wouldn't want that in a partner, or in a friend. I'd prefer
someone more like Samantha, who more than holds her own when it comes to
quips and humor, but never seems to allow those quips and jokes to turn
into wishing to *inflict damage*.

In my original rap, *Jasmine* is a bitch. Her whole *life* is about
trying to make others feel as shitty and as fearful as she feels at all
times. And sadly, because our culture seems to elevate bitches to
positions of near-respect, she gets away with it. For a while. Then her
karma catches up to her, and it's not pretty.

Samantha isn't like that. And the very fact that she isn't, and that she
can affect positive changes in the people she interacts with *without*
being a bitch is exactly what makes her interesting. Our society is so
sick and twisted that many people have forgotten that this is possible.
I thank Spike Jonze for presenting a vision of a higher possibility for
interpersonal interaction, one that is available to humans, not just
fictional AIs.

When you see the movie, if you want to discuss any of the other aspects
of it, do post more about it. There is much to discuss. Her makes
rather wise comments about life, love, loss, gain, and even polyamory. I
still think it's a remarkable artistic vision, merely masquerading as a
popular romance film.

On the other hand, I think we are likely to see a LOT of hysterical and
negative reaction to the film. A LOT of people are going to be
threatened by Samantha, and even by the *idea* of a Samantha. They're
going to go hysterical over the idea of an AI gaining sentience, they're
going to go hysterical over the idea of people having relationships with
AIs, and they're going to go hysterical, period. A number of them will
probably be fairly bitchy about how much they hate this 

[FairfieldLife] RE: Adventures of James Potkukelkka, part 1

2014-01-10 Thread cardemaister
James Potkukelkka is actually a caricature of a neo-helpless man,
but in that particular sketch he manages by accident to help the
manne (gypsy man) find what he was looking for. 

Some gypsies hereabouts have found those kind of sketches somewhat
racist!

[FairfieldLife] Amsterdam In Motion

2014-01-10 Thread TurquoiseB
 http://vimeo.com/83464882
http://vimeo.com/83464882 http://vimeo.com/83464882 


[FairfieldLife] Forget Her. Your life is already controlled by 'bots

2014-01-10 Thread TurquoiseB
I found this a fascinating article to stumble upon right after seeing
the film Her. There will be some who will deny that we as a culture
will never become so dependent on computers and AIs as to allow them to
shape and control our lives as much as Theodore does in Her.

Well, let me present a theoretical case to you. You're a fan of science
fiction, and of scifi writing, TV, and movies. As such, you'd love to go
to the most prestigious ceremony for such things, the annual Hugo
Awards. But the awards are being held at Worldcon, a big gathering of
scifi folk in another city, and you can't afford to go there, so you
tune in via the streamed video feed of the event. And everything's going
great. You're enjoying the speeches and the clips from the TV shows and
movies and all of a sudden the feed is cut, and replaced with a blank
screen containing the words:

Worldcon banned due to copyright infringement.


This actually happened, and it was done by 'bots.

There was not a human in the loop when the copyright police 'bots used
by Upstream (the streaming video provider for Worldcon) shut down its
broadcast.

These censor-bots just decided that something was being seen that they
didn't think *should* be seen, according to what they had been told by
their programmers, and so they just shut the whole feed down. When
Upstream found out what happened and tried to restart the feed
(according to them), they couldn't. The censor-bots' word turned out to
be final. Go figure.

http://io9.com/5940036/how-copyright-enforcement-robots-killed-the-hugo-\
awards
http://io9.com/5940036/how-copyright-enforcement-robots-killed-the-hugo\
-awards










[FairfieldLife] Re: A Tale Of Two Women: Jasmine and Samantha

2014-01-10 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  s3raphita wrote:

  I was wondering when I watched the trailer if it would work having a
movie, Him, in which a *woman* falls in love with a computer program . .
.



:-)

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[FairfieldLife] Ya gotta admit...

2014-01-10 Thread TurquoiseB
If you were designing a cyber-human, to do most humans justice you
wouldn't need any more I/O ports than this.  :-)







[FairfieldLife] RE: Amsterdam In Motion

2014-01-10 Thread merudanda
Superb. watching this you want to say: I AM Amsterdam,tooplease do not hide 
from us Leiden time lapses f.e. this one  taken one year ago. Not so 
spectacular more peaceful non professional --Dutch painting-memory enhancing
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7JJd_pPODM 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7JJd_pPODM

 http://moeinmosleh.com/?gallery=leiden http://moeinmosleh.com/?gallery=leiden


Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: quot;If Another Country Was Doing This To Our Kids, Wed Be At Warquot;

2014-01-10 Thread Michael Jackson
That's a pretty damn good strategy - had not thought of that.

On Fri, 1/10/14, steve.sun...@yahoo.com steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: quot;If Another  Country Was Doing This To 
Our Kids, Wed Be At  Warquot;
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Friday, January 10, 2014, 4:45 AM
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
   
   
   
 And yet you have had
 experiences that you would put in the spiritual category,
 IIRC.  And I think I have as well.  If I had a
 technique now, it would be to pretty much ignore those
 experiences if they come about, and even push back against
 them somewhat, to see if they continue to assert themselves.
  And it has been interesting to see what sticks around,
 and what goes away.  Not to be too cryptic about
 it.
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@...
 wrote:
 
 You know, I do
 appreciate your views on this. I too used to be a starry
 eyed TM fanatic who absolutely believed that TM was the
 answer to everything (even though it obviously was not, as I
 saw and ignored especially when I was living in Fairfield
 and working on staff at MIU.)
 
 
 
 After that I rubbed elbows with a vast number of people all
 of whom engaged in various sorts of alternative spiritual
 endeavors - everything from Sedona folks who banged on a
 Native American drum every time the moon showed a sliver of
 itself in the night sky, to folks who believed the
 Galactics were gonna come down at jst
 the right time and save us all, to the wiccans most of whom
 have no idea where wicca actually comes from, to people who
 claim to have the inside track to God, to those who are
 determined warriors on the war path with all things tech and
 money based and on and on. 
 
 
 
 If only I had known about UG Krishnamurti in those days a
 talk or two from him might have saved me a lot of time.
 
 
 
 These days I feel that about 90% of all this new agey
 spiritual doings is about as much use as tits on a bo'
 hawg. That is southern slang for a male hog, a boar.
 
 
 
 Not that there is not some use in what all spiritually
 minded folks do but most of it just seems designed, albeit
 unconsciously, just to make us feel better. And that is all
 it does, it makes us feel better emotionally, even though
 our lives suck. And what better way to feel better than to
 believe our very special and wonderful chosen path will lead
 to some sort of salvation for all humanity. 
 
 
 
 Its good to feel good, but when I see that most of the
 practitioners of all this new agey stuff are STILL unhappy,
 still unhealthy, still un-wealthy and still having crappy
 relationships, I see that even with the practices, beliefs,
 icons and things and people to follow it doesn't seem to
 do the trick except that we fool ourselves into believing if
 we stay on the path, we will eventually get to where we want
 to be (really happy).
 
 
 
 As Edg would say Bah!
 
 
 
  On Fri, 1/10/14, steve.sundur@...
 steve.sundur@...
 wrote:
 
 
 
  Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: If Another  Country
 Was Doing This To Our Kids, Wed Be At  War
 
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 
  Date: Friday, January 10, 2014, 3:24 AM
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
   
 
  
 
  
 
  
 

 
  
 
  
 
  
 

 

 
Thanks for your comments.  (I wish I could
 
  still do the interspersing)
 
  I've been reflecting on
 
  how my outlook has changed over time.  
 
  From being an energetic foot
 
  soldier in Maharishi's Army confident I could change
 the
 
  world, to having now a much more sober vision of how
 things
 
  really are.  And I thank God for that more sober
 
  outlook.
 
  And although I'm afraid
 
  to say that the opposing forces, broadly defined as
 
  materialism, are going to prevail, there are still going
 to
 
  be many inroads made by those of a more spiritual
 
  bent. 
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
 noozguru@...
 
  wrote:
 
  
 
  
 

 
  
 

 

 
  Remarks
 
  below.
 
  
 

 
  
 
 On 01/08/2014 06:51 PM, steve.sundur@...
 
  wrote:
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
 
 

 

 
  
https://play.google.com/store/books/details?id=CLDgDxHNu1oCsource=productsearchutm_source=HA_Desktop_USutm_medium=SEMutm_campaign=PLApcampaignid=MKTAD0930BO1
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  I listened to several
 
  interviews with this guy.
 
  
 
  
 

 
  Among the things he
 
  writes about is that income disparity is
 
  pretty much
 
  here to stay.  But instead of 1% and
 
  the rest, it is
 
  more likely to be about 15% who have
 
  resources, with
 
  most 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Amsterdam In Motion

2014-01-10 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda  wrote:

 Superb. watching this you want to say: I AM Amsterdam,tooplease do
not hide from us Leiden time lapses f.e. this one  taken one year ago.
Not so spectacular more peaceful non professional --Dutch
painting-memory enhancing

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7JJd_pPODM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7JJd_pPODM

  http://moeinmosleh.com/?gallery=leiden
http://moeinmosleh.com/?gallery=leiden


Thanks. Way cool. I know every location filmed or photographed. Many of
the scenes in the video were shot in the dog park where I walk Paris, or
within a few blocks of my house. It's a picturesque place to live.





[FairfieldLife] L. Ron Hubbard's great grandson tells his story

2014-01-10 Thread TurquoiseB
And somewhat entertainingly, too. My favorite moment is at 6:45...

The first time I saw a psychiatrist, when he asked me if mental illness
runs in my family, all I could say was 'YES, Yes it does.' When I told
him my great grandfather was a cult leader who enslaved the minds of
millions, he accused me of having delusions of grandeur.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QsCrFANMzc#t=426
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QsCrFANMzc#t=426





Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: All About the Fighting Ascetics of India

2014-01-10 Thread dhamiltony2k5
All of these standard of credentialing should come down to be of use in 
selecting the next Shankaracharya and the next too. Everyone else should step 
aside. We got to have standards and not just have any jack-ass sitting on that 
seat. Like, what is the Holy Tradition coming to, Girish Varma?  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck. wrote:

 It is time to modernize this Math fragmentation. The committee should chose 
Shankaracharyas on the basis of modern standards of neurophysiology at the 
least. Then also as there is a face value of enough cultivated shakti as like 
saints of old as real luminaries were and then certainly too they should have 
scholarly credentials enough to profess the Knowledge properly in context. 
Modern Shanks proly should pass a board certification exam too as to their 
proficiency in the traditional scriptural literature, to also be objective. At 
least an oral exam if they can't read or write. Shankara and Brahmananda 
Saraswati Guru Dev had these resplendent when they held the Joytirmath.
 -Buck  
 

--- merudanda wrote:
 
 Correction even earlier:

 What you are quoting is  from Wednesday, October 7, 1998 to be precise!see:
http://expressindia.indianexpress.com/ie/daily/19981007/28050544.html 
http://expressindia.indianexpress.com/ie/daily/19981007/28050544.html
 

 http://expressindia.indianexpress.com/ie/daily/19981007/28050544.html
 BTW
The background of the whole thing of meeting suggestion was about  one 
Sannyasin named Adhokshajananda Tirtha, who called himself the Sankaracharya of 
Puri and seems to were an attempt to resolve the Jyotirmath dispute  by 
removing Swarupananda, Vasudevananda and Madhava Asrama from the seat .
And thereby to have had no other purpose than
1. to create doubt regarding Niscalananda's title at Puri, 
2. thereby strengthening his own claim  being the Puri Sankaracharya
Hope this helps...
See further my prev. post about Indian media.
GOOD MORNING -GOOD NIGHT
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 My dear B.i.D. please allow me to smile a little and ask you do hold your  
non-existing horses- missionary horses you do not have. Have you taken 
Bhairitus warning into account, too?
 

 BTW:What meeting  are you talking about? From where and from whom you got that 
information?
What you are quoting is from 2004 !see:
http://expressindia.indianexpress.com/ie/daily/19981007/28050544.html 
http://expressindia.indianexpress.com/ie/daily/19981007/28050544.html
 

 [Yes,  2004 came from RJ Das's post, errant no doubt. Should be different]  
 

 Checking you weather in Fairfield  22-23°F I do certainly have empathy with 
your desire to go to warm and sunny India for awhile.
 

 How about make a hospital visit  to Phopal lndia its 83°F there  and sunny.  
Girish Chandra Varma, has been shifted to jail hospital Phopal, India because 
of diabetic (he is a diabetic and takes insulin) and  high blood pressure (his 
car will be examined for rape evidence).  

 Prisoner's Hospital is on Jail Road, Jahangirabad Bhopal, Madhya 
Pradesh(little forest-cool and peaceful),  opposite the Motilal Nehru Stadium 
Jahangirabad.
 Close by there is the Madhya Pradesh Tourism's Boat Club on the Upper lake  
not so far from the prison which provides facilities for exciting trips by 
sail, paddle and motorboats. M.P.Police  do have a Horse Riding School and not 
to forget to visit the Nidaan Riding Club its one of the oldest riding club in 
Central India
 

  Bon voyage,  Bon voyage,  you and your delegation of the long-term 
spiritually experienced Maharishi and Brahmananda Saraswati tradition 
meditators of the Holy Tradition from Fairfield, Iowa.

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote:

 Yes absolutely, to add real spiritual coherence and depth to matters of 
adjudicating this confliction they really ought to receive a delegation of the 
long-term spiritually experienced Maharishi and Brahmananda Saraswati tradition 
meditators of the Holy Tradition from Fairfield, Iowa.
 
 
 
 The crucial meeting is scheduled to be held at Ahmedabad in February next. 
 

 snip











Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: All About the Fighting Ascetics of India

2014-01-10 Thread dhamiltony2k5
I am concerned about Girish Varma,  Will he not make it in person to the Jan 
12th celebration?
 

  merudanda wrote: 
 

 Girish Chandra Varma, has been shifted to jail hospital Phopal, India because 
of diabetic (he is a diabetic and takes insulin) and  high blood pressure (his 
car will be examined for rape evidence).  

 Prisoner's Hospital is on Jail Road, Jahangirabad Bhopal, Madhya 
Pradesh(little forest-cool and peaceful),  opposite the Motilal Nehru Stadium 
Jahangirabad.
 Close by there is the Madhya Pradesh Tourism's Boat Club on the Upper lake  
not so far from the prison which provides facilities for exciting trips by 
sail, paddle and motorboats. M.P.Police  do have a Horse Riding School and not 
to forget to visit the Nidaan Riding Club its one of the oldest riding club in 
Central India
 


 All of these standard of credentialing should come down to be of use in 
selecting the next Shankaracharya and the next too. Everyone else should step 
aside. We got to have standards and not just have any jack-ass sitting on that 
seat. Like, what is the Holy Tradition coming to, Girish Varma?  
 
 

 It is time to modernize this Math fragmentation. The committee should chose 
Shankaracharyas on the basis of modern standards of neurophysiology at the 
least. Then also as there is a face value of enough cultivated shakti as like 
saints of old as real luminaries were and then certainly too they should have 
scholarly credentials enough to profess the Knowledge properly in context. 
Modern Shanks proly should pass a board certification exam too as to their 
proficiency in the traditional scriptural literature, to also be objective. At 
least an oral exam if they can't read or write. Shankara and Brahmananda 
Saraswati Guru Dev had these resplendent when they held the Joytirmath.
 -Buck  
 

--- merudanda wrote:
 
 Correction even earlier:

 What you are quoting is  from Wednesday, October 7, 1998 to be precise!see:
http://expressindia.indianexpress.com/ie/daily/19981007/28050544.html 
http://expressindia.indianexpress.com/ie/daily/19981007/28050544.html
 

 http://expressindia.indianexpress.com/ie/daily/19981007/28050544.html
 BTW
The background of the whole thing of meeting suggestion was about  one 
Sannyasin named Adhokshajananda Tirtha, who called himself the Sankaracharya of 
Puri and seems to were an attempt to resolve the Jyotirmath dispute  by 
removing Swarupananda, Vasudevananda and Madhava Asrama from the seat .
And thereby to have had no other purpose than
1. to create doubt regarding Niscalananda's title at Puri, 
2. thereby strengthening his own claim  being the Puri Sankaracharya
Hope this helps...
See further my prev. post about Indian media.
GOOD MORNING -GOOD NIGHT
 

 My dear B.i.D. please allow me to smile a little and ask you do hold your  
non-existing horses- missionary horses you do not have. Have you taken 
Bhairitus warning into account, too?
 

 BTW:What meeting  are you talking about? From where and from whom you got that 
information?
What you are quoting is from 2004 !see:
http://expressindia.indianexpress.com/ie/daily/19981007/28050544.html 
http://expressindia.indianexpress.com/ie/daily/19981007/28050544.html
 

 [Yes,  2004 came from RJ Das's post, errant no doubt. Should be different]  
 

 Checking you weather in Fairfield  22-23°F I do certainly have empathy with 
your desire to go to warm and sunny India for awhile.
 

 How about make a hospital visit  to Phopal lndia its 83°F there  and sunny.  
Girish Chandra Varma, has been shifted to jail hospital Phopal, India because 
of diabetic (he is a diabetic and takes insulin) and  high blood pressure (his 
car will be examined for rape evidence).  

 Prisoner's Hospital is on Jail Road, Jahangirabad Bhopal, Madhya 
Pradesh(little forest-cool and peaceful),  opposite the Motilal Nehru Stadium 
Jahangirabad.
 Close by there is the Madhya Pradesh Tourism's Boat Club on the Upper lake  
not so far from the prison which provides facilities for exciting trips by 
sail, paddle and motorboats. M.P.Police  do have a Horse Riding School and not 
to forget to visit the Nidaan Riding Club its one of the oldest riding club in 
Central India
 

  Bon voyage,  Bon voyage,  you and your delegation of the long-term 
spiritually experienced Maharishi and Brahmananda Saraswati tradition 
meditators of the Holy Tradition from Fairfield, Iowa.

 

 
 Yes absolutely, to add real spiritual coherence and depth to matters of 
adjudicating this confliction they really ought to receive a delegation of the 
long-term spiritually experienced Maharishi and Brahmananda Saraswati tradition 
meditators of the Holy Tradition from Fairfield, Iowa.
 
 
 
 The crucial meeting is scheduled to be held at Ahmedabad in February next. 
 

 snip













[FairfieldLife] Re: All About the Fighting Ascetics of India

2014-01-10 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  merudanda wrote:

  Girish Chandra Varma, has been shifted to jail hospital Phopal, India
because of diabetic (he is a diabetic and takes insulin) and  high blood
pressure (his car will be examined for rape evidence).

 
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62406_1259402030_n.jpg]



:-)





[FairfieldLife] Kumbha Mela, 2013 - Were you there ?

2014-01-10 Thread martin.quickman
nice review of that event if you missed it: 
 

 
http://sathyasaimemories.wordpress.com/2013/01/18/maha-kumbh-mela-2013-children-of-light/
 
http://sathyasaimemories.wordpress.com/2013/01/18/maha-kumbh-mela-2013-children-of-light/



[FairfieldLife] Narcissotech

2014-01-10 Thread TurquoiseB
And you think Siri is a 'bot? Do you think she's out there trolling for
*your* attention?  :-)

www.psmag.com/navigation/nature-and-technology/narcissists-new-need-twit\
ter-followers-72485/







[FairfieldLife] RE: quot;If Another Country Was Doing This To Our Kids, We’d Be At Warquot;

2014-01-10 Thread awoelflebater


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote:

 That's a pretty damn good strategy - had not thought of that.
 

 For me, TM was never going to be the answer for very much, let alone 
everything. For me it sounded like a great way to obtain all sorts of 
physical and psychological benefits as well as a chance to explore 
consciousness. Then, given the opportunity to do all of this with a few hundred 
people in a scholastic setting and in an atmosphere of non drug taking and 
teetotalling it felt like a great thing to do (attend MIU in 1975-1980). 
Especially after having transferred from another ivy league Eastern-based 
college and witnessing fraternities with their never-ending drinking binges and 
watching my dorm mates get carted off to the hospital in alcohol induced comas, 
I had had enough.
 

 But TM as the answer to world peace or as a way to ensure all humans who 
practice it get enlightened? Not on your life. Perhaps having had lesser 
expectations I have zero bitterness or even disappointment about any of it. I 
had a really fun and rewarding time at MIU, I emerged unscathed emotionally or 
physically and it just became another life experience to carry forward with and 
reflect on occasionally. 
 
 On Fri, 1/10/14, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... 
mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote:
 
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: If Another Country Was Doing This To Our 
Kids, Wed Be At War
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Friday, January 10, 2014, 4:45 AM
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 And yet you have had
 experiences that you would put in the spiritual category,
 IIRC.  And I think I have as well.  If I had a
 technique now, it would be to pretty much ignore those
 experiences if they come about, and even push back against
 them somewhat, to see if they continue to assert themselves.
  And it has been interesting to see what sticks around,
 and what goes away.  Not to be too cryptic about
 it.
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
mjackson74@...
 wrote:
 
 You know, I do
 appreciate your views on this. I too used to be a starry
 eyed TM fanatic who absolutely believed that TM was the
 answer to everything (even though it obviously was not, as I
 saw and ignored especially when I was living in Fairfield
 and working on staff at MIU.)
 
 
 
 After that I rubbed elbows with a vast number of people all
 of whom engaged in various sorts of alternative spiritual
 endeavors - everything from Sedona folks who banged on a
 Native American drum every time the moon showed a sliver of
 itself in the night sky, to folks who believed the
 Galactics were gonna come down at jst
 the right time and save us all, to the wiccans most of whom
 have no idea where wicca actually comes from, to people who
 claim to have the inside track to God, to those who are
 determined warriors on the war path with all things tech and
 money based and on and on. 
 
 
 
 If only I had known about UG Krishnamurti in those days a
 talk or two from him might have saved me a lot of time.
 
 
 
 These days I feel that about 90% of all this new agey
 spiritual doings is about as much use as tits on a bo'
 hawg. That is southern slang for a male hog, a boar.
 
 
 
 Not that there is not some use in what all spiritually
 minded folks do but most of it just seems designed, albeit
 unconsciously, just to make us feel better. And that is all
 it does, it makes us feel better emotionally, even though
 our lives suck. And what better way to feel better than to
 believe our very special and wonderful chosen path will lead
 to some sort of salvation for all humanity. 
 
 
 
 Its good to feel good, but when I see that most of the
 practitioners of all this new agey stuff are STILL unhappy,
 still unhealthy, still un-wealthy and still having crappy
 relationships, I see that even with the practices, beliefs,
 icons and things and people to follow it doesn't seem to
 do the trick except that we fool ourselves into believing if
 we stay on the path, we will eventually get to where we want
 to be (really happy).
 
 
 
 As Edg would say Bah!
 
 
 
 On Fri, 1/10/14, steve.sundur@...
 steve.sundur@...
 wrote:
 
 
 
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: If Another Country
 Was Doing This To Our Kids, Wed Be At War
 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 
 Date: Friday, January 10, 2014, 3:24 AM
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Thanks for your comments.  (I wish I could
 
 still do the interspersing)
 
 I've been reflecting on
 
 how my outlook has changed over time.  
 
 From being an energetic foot
 
 soldier in Maharishi's Army confident I could change
 the
 
 world, to having now a much more sober vision of how
 

[FairfieldLife] RE: Narcissotech

2014-01-10 Thread awoelflebater


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote:

 And you think Siri is a 'bot? Do you think she's out there trolling for *your* 
attention?  :-)
 

 Strange, this appears to be a picture of Bawwy. But I am not sure why he would 
post a self-portrait here.

 
www.psmag.com/navigation/nature-and-technology/narcissists-new-need-twitter-followers-72485/
 






 


[FairfieldLife] Re: Amsterdam In Motion

2014-01-10 Thread merudanda
I know, i know--
no wonder your dog becomes an enlightened one guided by an anointed.
Ok let's speak Koetjes en kalfjes' *:
Being always enchanted strolling around seeing all these beautiful poems on the 
wall written in many different languages, reflecting upon language, color, or 
upon the life as a poet.(Dicht op de muur -Poetry on the wall I think it's 
called)
 http://www.muurgedichten.nl/indexopontstaan.html 
http://www.muurgedichten.nl/indexopontstaan.html

Getting already tired and thirsty?Ok let's Koetjes en kalfjes' later again but 
:Do not miss the cafe with your name on it



For me as you know--wine
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/photos/albums/490955205/lightbox/1163785780#
 
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/photos/albums/490955205/lightbox/1163785780#

Somewhere  there the mother of Vincent van Gogh were burried, too

*For lurkers:
Koetjes en kalfjes' (speaking about cows and calves) is a Dutch saying for 
smalltalk. There is a restaurant with that name  in Leiden  where this obove 
mention Koetjes en kalfjes  took place
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote:

 snip
 

 Thanks. Way cool. I know every location filmed or photographed. Many of the 
scenes in the video were shot in the dog park where I walk Paris, or within a 
few blocks of my house. It's a picturesque place to live. 






[FairfieldLife] Re: Amsterdam In Motion

2014-01-10 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda  wrote:

 I know, i know--
 no wonder your dog becomes an enlightened one guided by an anointed.
 Ok let's speak Koetjes en kalfjes' *:
 Being always enchanted strolling around seeing all these beautiful
poems on the wall written in many different languages, reflecting upon
language, color, or upon the life as a poet.(Dicht op de muur -Poetry
on the wall I think it's called)
  http://www.muurgedichten.nl/indexopontstaan.html
http://www.muurgedichten.nl/indexopontstaan.html

It's a nice tradition, that, seeing poetry everywhere you go.

 Getting already tired and thirsty?Ok let's Koetjes en kalfjes' later
again but :Do not miss the cafe with your name on it

I'm not that big a fan of the Joker, actually. The crowd is too young,
and there is too much noise and too little conversation.

But it IS a nice city. The balance between new and old, and the presence
of the university and its university crowd make it (for me) a nicer
place than Amsterdam.





[FairfieldLife] Re: Amsterdam In Motion

2014-01-10 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda  wrote:

 For me as you know--wine

Turn away, then, so as not to gaze upon this catastrophe on a Canadian
highway Wednesday night.  :-)

  [highway hope wine crash]





Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: quot;If Another Country Was Doing This To Our Kids, Wed Be At Warquot;

2014-01-10 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 1/9/2014 10:22 PM, Michael Jackson wrote:

  And that is all it does, it makes us feel better emotionally,
   even though our lives suck.
 
So, you're thinking that your life sucks because you feel better 
emotionally?


[FairfieldLife] Re: Amsterdam In Motion

2014-01-10 Thread merudanda
OMG another kind of eternity

 if you check on the photo 

 
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/photos/albums/490955205/lightbox/1163785780#
 
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/photos/albums/490955205/lightbox/1163785780#
 worth a visit*

 ---only one glass and a bottle plze--
 ok let's go to
 Koetjes en kalfjes' restaurant Breestraat 18,between museum Boerehaave  and  
Rijjksmuseum then...
 *photo ext :
A little break from the reflections.When Napoleon prohibited burials within 
churches in 1811, cities had to find other areas to bury their dead.In Leiden 
such a place was found on one of the old bastions to the North of the city.In 
1827 the cemetery was constructed by city architect Salomon van der Paauw. For 
150 years this place became one of the main cemeteries for Leiden, where many 
citizens, but also for instance the mother of Vincent van Gogh were buried.In 
1975 the cemetery was closed. It became a city park in 1978. But it decayed 
rapidly. Fortunately after a thorough restoration in 1993 it became a place of 
peace, tranquility and respect again for the spirits that roam around for 
eternity.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda wrote:
 
 For me as you know--wine 

 Turn away, then, so as not to gaze upon this catastrophe on a Canadian highway 
Wednesday night.  :-)

 







[FairfieldLife] Re: Amsterdam In Motion

2014-01-10 Thread merudanda
OMG another kind of eternity- got your pointing finger

 But if you check on the photo 

 
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/photos/albums/490955205/lightbox/1163785780#
 
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/photos/albums/490955205/lightbox/1163785780#
 it shows

 ---only one glass and a may be a half bottle plze--
 BTW the cemetery  worth a visit*
 OK let's go to
 Koetjes en kalfjes' restaurant Breestraat 18,between museum Boerehaave  and  
Rijjksmuseum then...
 *photo ext :
A little break from the reflections.When Napoleon prohibited burials within 
churches in 1811, cities had to find other areas to bury their dead.In Leiden 
such a place was found on one of the old bastions to the North of the city.In 
1827 the cemetery was constructed by city architect Salomon van der Paauw. For 
150 years this place became one of the main cemeteries for Leiden, where many 
citizens, but also for instance the mother of Vincent van Gogh were buried.In 
1975 the cemetery was closed. It became a city park in 1978. But it decayed 
rapidly. Fortunately after a thorough restoration in 1993 it became a place of 
peace, tranquility and respect again for the spirits that roam around for 
eternity.

 Hide message history
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda wrote:
 
 For me as you know--wine 

 Turn away, then, so as not to gaze upon this catastrophe on a Canadian highway 
Wednesday night.  :-)

 







 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Krapp#39;s Last Tape, Part Un

2014-01-10 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 1/8/2014 9:58 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:

I knew without a doubt that it was all a lie. Similar
   to our 'liberation' of Afghanistan
  
  I agree the rationale for the invasion was a lie...
 
So, you're thinking that John Kerry and Hillary Clinton were lying about 
the reasons for invading Afghanistan and Iraq? If they lied back then, 
why would anyone believe anything they say now?

 From what I've read, John Kerry has been lying for decades; Hillary 
Clinton lied as recently as the Benghazi massacre; and Barack Obama lies 
almost every single day. Go figure.


[FairfieldLife] Re: Amsterdam In Motion

2014-01-10 Thread merudanda


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 OMG another kind of eternity- got your pointing finger

 But if you check on the photo 

 
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/photos/albums/490955205/lightbox/1163785780#
 
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/photos/albums/490955205/lightbox/1163785780#
 it shows

 ---only one glass and a may be a half bottle plze--
 That's more the Chinese ---my way-but (wo hen baoqian-'qing''qing')without 
rice wine-

snip





Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Tale Of Two Women: Jasmine and Samantha

2014-01-10 Thread Share Long
turq and Seraph, your discussion lead me to the conclusion that Sartre got it 
wrong when he said l'enfer, c'est les autres, hell is other people. I think 
hell is BELIEVING that hell, or even heaven for that matter, is other people.





On Friday, January 10, 2014 2:01 AM, TurquoiseB turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

  Re Her: does Scarlet/Samantha ever fight back? (Wouldn't you want a mate to 
 be a bitch on occasion?) Samantha is presumably programmed to be more than 
 obliging and accommodating but to also nudge her companion to expand his 
 horizons. 

Hi s3raphita. I thought I'd come back and revisit your question today, because 
it's an interesting one. 

The answer to your first question is No, because there is nothing to fight 
against. It's just one sentient entity conversing with another one. To feel 
that there is something in that conversation to fight against, one of the 
parties has to (IMO) have a lot of ego, heavily invested in being right or 
more entitled to something than the other party. With a lack of narcissism 
and ego-protection, where would that impetus to turn the conversation into a 
battle come from? Samantha is (at least in the film) somewhat of a newborn, 
still learning about the world she lives in, and more important, what a she 
is and why and how she is one. Challenges to the way she sees things are 
rightly perceived as learning opportunities, not a Daffy Duck-like whack across 
the face with a glove, challenging her to meet the other person on the field 
of onions and defend her self. She's more interested (again, IMO) in 
discovering what being a 'self' is than in protecting a
 preconceived view of what one is. 

My answer to your second question is easier. No, I would definitely NOT want my 
mate to be a bitch on occasion. In fact, I find your assumption that I (or any 
man) *would* want that to be rather odd and culturally-conditioned and scary. 

In my real life, I have studiously avoided bitch relationships, because -- 
honestly -- life's too fuckin' short and too precious to view it as a constant 
battle. I feel sorry for those people who DO view life that way, and who 
conduct their lives accordingly. I am *certainly* not about to tie myself to 
anyone who thinks that way in a relationship. 

Even more suspect is the idea (implied IMO by what you said, although you may 
not have intended it) that one of the only ways one sentient entity can 
influence another is by *being* a bitch. That just does not compute for me. 
IMO, when the bitchiness starts (from either side), the communication ends. It 
becomes all about dueling narcissistic egos trying to assert their dominance 
over other dueling, narcissistic egos. 

Playful banter is not being a bitch. Calling another person on their shit to 
get them to lighten up and laugh at it (and thus themselves) is not being a 
bitch. Reminding another person of potential they're not fully realizing is not 
being a bitch. 

Only being a bitch is being a bitch. And we all intuitively know the 
difference. 

The difference is (again, IMO) based on narcissism, and the perception on the 
part of the bitch that there is something to win in the interaction. When 
that concept of battle or winning comes into existence, so does bitchiness. 
Contrary to your implication, the bitch does NOT wish the best for the person 
they're being bitchy to. They're trying to *inflict damage*, to make the other 
entity feel as fearful of change and as protective of their puny self as they 
feel. 

So No, I wouldn't want that in a partner, or in a friend. I'd prefer someone 
more like Samantha, who more than holds her own when it comes to quips and 
humor, but never seems to allow those quips and jokes to turn into wishing to 
*inflict damage*. 

In my original rap, *Jasmine* is a bitch. Her whole *life* is about trying to 
make others feel as shitty and as fearful as she feels at all times. And sadly, 
because our culture seems to elevate bitches to positions of near-respect, she 
gets away with it. For a while. Then her karma catches up to her, and it's not 
pretty. 

Samantha isn't like that. And the very fact that she isn't, and that she can 
affect positive changes in the people she interacts with *without* being a 
bitch is exactly what makes her interesting. Our society is so sick and twisted 
that many people have forgotten that this is possible. I thank Spike Jonze for 
presenting a vision of a higher possibility for interpersonal interaction, one 
that is available to humans, not just fictional AIs.

When you see the movie, if you want to discuss any of the other aspects of it, 
do post more about it. There is much to discuss. Her makes rather wise 
comments about life, love, loss, gain, and even polyamory. I still think it's a 
remarkable artistic vision, merely masquerading as a popular romance film. 

On the other hand, I think we are likely to see a LOT of hysterical and 
negative reaction 

[FairfieldLife] Re: All About the Fighting Ascetics of India

2014-01-10 Thread dhamiltony2k5
So, does our TM Shankaracharya  of Jyotirmaṭha: Vāsudevānanda Sarasvatī have a 
controlling hand or thumb over any of the Estate of our Maharishiji in India? 
And, the character of this guy? Does he give darshan or just sit in the chair? 
Is he scholarly and can give Satsanga? Can teach and advise technique? A Sat 
Guru kind of saint? What is he really like? Is he actually spiritual or was he 
just put in the job by Maharishi? I hear from travelers the guy is a grump. Who 
runs TM in India if Girish Varma either stays in jail or is put on 
administrative leave from TM? Does this  Vāsudevānanda Sarasvatī  guy's 
Shankaracharya organization get it to run or put someone in charge of the bank 
accounts and properties? With integrity? Will the Times of India report on 
this? Transcendental Meditators everywhere want to know these things?
 
 -Buck
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda wrote:
 
 Girish Chandra Varma, has been shifted to jail hospital Phopal, India because 
 of diabetic (he is a diabetic and takes insulin) and high blood pressure (his 
 car will be examined for rape evidence). 

 



:-)







[FairfieldLife] Why Do Smart People Do Dumb Things?

2014-01-10 Thread Richard Williams
The Obama IRS scandal makes Christie's bridge caper look like a mere
jaywalking incident. Apparently the IRS targeted conservative groups in
order to help Obama win the last election. And, it looks like Chris
Christie can't even manage a bridge. Go figure.

At least some residents cheered him as he arrived, even after his
motorcade briefly created yet another traffic jam.

'Chris Christie Extends Apology in Bridge Scandal'
New York Times:
http://www.nytimes.com/http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/10/nyregion/christie-controversy-bridge-lane-closings.html?_r=0

The Big Three networks, in a frenzy over New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie's
traffic headache dubbed “Bridgegate,” have devoted a whopping 34 minutes
and 28 seconds of coverage to the affair in just the last 24 hours.


'TV gives ‘Bridgegate’ 17 times more coverage in 1 day than IRS scandal in
6 months'
Examiner:
http://washingtonexaminer.com/http://washingtonexaminer.com/tv-gives-bridgegate-17-times-more-coverage-in-1-day-than-irs-scandal-in-6-months/article/2541896


Re: [FairfieldLife] Forget Her. Your life is already controlled by 'bots

2014-01-10 Thread Share Long
turq, I'd say that the world, on one level, is controlled by imperfect 
programming and still-learning programmers. bots are only as useful as their 
programming and programmers make them. Right?!





On Friday, January 10, 2014 4:19 AM, TurquoiseB turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  
I found this a fascinating article to stumble upon right after seeing the film 
Her. There will be some who will deny that we as a culture will never become 
so dependent on computers and AIs as to allow them to shape and control our 
lives as much as Theodore does in Her. 

Well, let me present a theoretical case to you. You're a fan of science 
fiction, and of scifi writing, TV, and movies. As such, you'd love to go to the 
most prestigious ceremony for such things, the annual Hugo Awards. But the 
awards are being held at Worldcon, a big gathering of scifi folk in another 
city, and you can't afford to go there, so you tune in via the streamed video 
feed of the event. And everything's going great. You're enjoying the speeches 
and the clips from the TV shows and movies and all of a sudden the feed is cut, 
and replaced with a blank screen containing the words: 


Worldcon banned due to copyright infringement.


This actually happened, and it was done by 'bots. 

There was not a human in the loop when the copyright police 'bots used by 
Upstream (the streaming video provider for Worldcon) shut down its broadcast. 

These censor-bots just decided that something was being seen that they didn't 
think *should* be seen, according to what they had been told by their 
programmers, and so they just shut the whole feed down. When Upstream found out 
what happened and tried to restart the feed (according to them), they couldn't. 
The censor-bots' word turned out to be final. Go figure. 


http://io9.com/5940036/how-copyright-enforcement-robots-killed-the-hugo-awards 







 


[FairfieldLife] Re: Forget Her. Your life is already controlled by 'bots

2014-01-10 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:

 turq, I'd say that the world, on one level, is controlled by imperfect
programming and still-learning programmers. bots are only as useful as
their programming and programmers make them. Right?!

Wrong. You forget that I used to work for an AI company. ILOG was not
just involved in optimization, but in natural language processing and
rule-based programs as well.

It's only an amateur's view that programs are only what they're
originally programmed to be. They *can* learn, and they *can* make their
own decisions, and they *can* parse English so well that if you were
talking to one on the Internet, you wouldn't be able to tell whether
they were human or not. I've seen demos of software in development that
would shake your faith in the difference between human intelligence and
machine intelligence.

 On Friday, January 10, 2014 4:19 AM, TurquoiseB turquoiseb@... wrote:

 I found this a fascinating article to stumble upon right after seeing
the film Her. There will be some who will deny that we as a culture
will never become so dependent on computers and AIs as to allow them to
shape and control our lives as much as Theodore does in Her.

 Well, let me present a theoretical case to you. You're a fan of
science fiction, and of scifi writing, TV, and movies. As such, you'd
love to go to the most prestigious ceremony for such things, the annual
Hugo Awards. But the awards are being held at Worldcon, a big gathering
of scifi folk in another city, and you can't afford to go there, so you
tune in via the streamed video feed of the event. And everything's going
great. You're enjoying the speeches and the clips from the TV shows and
movies and all of a sudden the feed is cut, and replaced with a blank
screen containing the words:


 Worldcon banned due to copyright infringement.


 This actually happened, and it was done by 'bots.

 There was not a human in the loop when the copyright police 'bots used
by Upstream (the streaming video provider for Worldcon) shut down its
broadcast.

 These censor-bots just decided that something was being seen that they
didn't think *should* be seen, according to what they had been told by
their programmers, and so they just shut the whole feed down. When
Upstream found out what happened and tried to restart the feed
(according to them), they couldn't. The censor-bots' word turned out to
be final. Go figure.



http://io9.com/5940036/how-copyright-enforcement-robots-killed-the-hugo-\
awards




Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: If Another Country Was Doing This To Our Kids, We’d Be At War

2014-01-10 Thread Share Long
Steve and Seraph, this reminds me of the concept of object referral, which is 
the opposite of Self referral and maybe opposite to what Maslow called Being 
cognition. I think it means we think objects are the source of our happiness 
where objects can be objects or situations or even other people for a person 
who experiences that way. It leads not only to out of control materialism but 
also the kind of dysfunctional relationships that are being discussed in the 
thread about Samantha and Jasmine! When people operate from Being values, then 
they don't turn other people into objects, even unconsciously.





On Thursday, January 9, 2014 10:05 PM, s3raph...@yahoo.com 
s3raph...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  
Rethe opposing forces, broadly defined as materialism:


Yes, the obsession with money and the status it confers is the only value in 
today's society - or certainly the value that now dominates in both the UK and 
the USA. It's so bloody philistine and degrading and small-minded and has 
triumphed over all the noble ideals that once motivated people. 
Now given a straight choice between having the latest model Aston Martin or not 
having a car at all I would naturally choose to have the car. I'm not denying 
that having an Aston Martin is a good thing. I'm aware that classy luxury cars 
are beautiful possessions. But I can also see that other values are more 
life-affirming: belonging to a supportive community where people respect and 
value each other is just one example. And I'd happily forsake the car if I 
could live in such a supportive society. But the obsession with material 
possessions and personal status has eroded all competing values until we can 
now all see we are living in a spiritual wasteland where greed is the norm.
But materialism can also refer to a reductive philosophy that explains life 
strictly in scientific and technological terms and has no time for the inner 
life or spiritual discipline. It's surely no coincidence that both types of 
materialism are flourishing in tandem. 
Current trends will result in such wide divisions between the haves and 
have-nots - compounded by the insufferable arrogance of the rich - that I fear 
serious unrest and violence is inevitable. I can't decide whether serious 
unrest and violence is precisely what we need to break out of the trap or 
whether, on the contrary, we need a spiritual revival from the roots. I suspect 
that both types of upheaval also arise in tandem.



Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: All About the Fighting Ascetics of India

2014-01-10 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 1/2/2014 11:05 AM, Bhairitu wrote:

  TM is a joke compared to the centuries long tradition
  and knowledge of the Shakaracharya tradition.
 
Actually when you think about it, MMY's TMO which gave rise to the 
Deepakage and the Sri Sri, makes MMY style meditation worldwide look 
like a towering mountain compared to a small ant hill - the local 
Shankaracharya tradition in India.

Millions of people worldwide read Deepak's books, millions of people 
worldwide meditate like Sri Sri or MMY. But, hardly anyone, anywhere, 
even take the Shankaracharya tradition in India seriously or less than a 
joke. You got almost everything backwards this time. Go figure.


Re: [FairfieldLife] Forget Her. Your life is already controlled by 'bots

2014-01-10 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 1/10/2014 10:09 AM, Share Long wrote:

  bots are only as useful as their programming and
  programmers make them. Right?!
 
Speaking of bots, somebody is monitoring my messages - probably bots 
at the NSA, FBI, and the CIA. Go figure.

So, I wonder who here spends the most time in front of their computers? 
It used to be me, when my job was a system analyst working fifty hours a 
week. But, now I'm thinking Barry is using his laptop to watch streaming 
video of the Hugo Awards at ComicCon; Judy is obviously in front o her 
desktop at least ten hours every day, judging from her response times; I 
wouldn't be surprised if the other Barry is on 24 x 7, multi-tasking and 
watching TV. There's probably at least one respondent on this list that 
uses an iPhone for reading newsgroups.


Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Forget Her. Your life is already controlled by 'bots

2014-01-10 Thread Share Long
turq, I admit my mind is boggled by this idea. And that's a really good 
occurrence. But really?! Computers can do everything humans can do?! Only 
faster? More precisely? 





On Friday, January 10, 2014 10:30 AM, TurquoiseB turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:

 turq, I'd say that the world, on one level, is controlled by imperfect 
 programming and still-learning programmers. bots are only as useful as their 
 programming and programmers make them. Right?!

Wrong. You forget that I used to work for an AI company. ILOG was not just 
involved in optimization, but in natural language processing and rule-based 
programs as well. 

It's only an amateur's view that programs are only what they're originally 
programmed to be. They *can* learn, and they *can* make their own decisions, 
and they *can* parse English so well that if you were talking to one on the 
Internet, you wouldn't be able to tell whether they were human or not. I've 
seen demos of software in development that would shake your faith in the 
difference between human intelligence and machine intelligence.   

 On Friday, January 10, 2014 4:19 AM, TurquoiseB turquoiseb@... wrote:
 
 I found this a fascinating article to stumble upon right after seeing the 
 film Her. There will be some who will deny that we as a culture will never 
 become so dependent on computers and AIs as to allow them to shape and 
 control our lives as much as Theodore does in Her. 
 
 Well, let me present a theoretical case to you. You're a fan of science 
 fiction, and of scifi writing, TV, and movies. As such, you'd love to go to 
 the most prestigious ceremony for such things, the annual Hugo Awards. But 
 the awards are being held at Worldcon, a big gathering of scifi folk in 
 another city, and you can't afford to go there, so you tune in via the 
 streamed video feed of the event. And everything's going great. You're 
 enjoying the speeches and the clips from the TV shows and movies and all of a 
 sudden the feed is cut, and replaced with a blank screen containing the 
 words: 
 
 
 Worldcon banned due to copyright infringement.
 
 
 This actually happened, and it was done by 'bots. 
 
 There was not a human in the loop when the copyright police 'bots used by 
 Upstream (the streaming video provider for Worldcon) shut down its broadcast. 
 
 These censor-bots just decided that something was being seen that they didn't 
 think *should* be seen, according to what they had been told by their 
 programmers, and so they just shut the whole feed down. When Upstream found 
 out what happened and tried to restart the feed (according to them), they 
 couldn't. The censor-bots' word turned out to be final. Go figure. 
 
 
 http://io9.com/5940036/how-copyright-enforcement-robots-killed-the-hugo-awards




[FairfieldLife] Re: Forget Her. Your life is already controlled by 'bots

2014-01-10 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:

 turq, I admit my mind is boggled by this idea. And that's a really
good occurrence. But really?! Computers can do everything humans can
do?! Only faster? More precisely?

Faster? More precisely? Duh.

Everything? Not yet.

 On Friday, January 10, 2014 10:30 AM, TurquoiseB turquoiseb@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
 
  turq, I'd say that the world, on one level, is controlled by
imperfect programming and still-learning programmers. bots are only as
useful as their programming and programmers make them. Right?!

 Wrong. You forget that I used to work for an AI company. ILOG was not
just involved in optimization, but in natural language processing and
rule-based programs as well.

 It's only an amateur's view that programs are only what they're
originally programmed to be. They *can* learn, and they *can* make their
own decisions, and they *can* parse English so well that if you were
talking to one on the Internet, you wouldn't be able to tell whether
they were human or not. I've seen demos of software in development that
would shake your faith in the difference between human intelligence and
machine intelligence. Â

  On Friday, January 10, 2014 4:19 AM, TurquoiseB turquoiseb@ wrote:
 
  I found this a fascinating article to stumble upon right after
seeing the film Her. There will be some who will deny that we as a
culture will never become so dependent on computers and AIs as to allow
them to shape and control our lives as much as Theodore does in Her.
 
  Well, let me present a theoretical case to you. You're a fan of
science fiction, and of scifi writing, TV, and movies. As such, you'd
love to go to the most prestigious ceremony for such things, the annual
Hugo Awards. But the awards are being held at Worldcon, a big gathering
of scifi folk in another city, and you can't afford to go there, so you
tune in via the streamed video feed of the event. And everything's going
great. You're enjoying the speeches and the clips from the TV shows and
movies and all of a sudden the feed is cut, and replaced with a blank
screen containing the words:
 
 
  Worldcon banned due to copyright infringement.
 
 
  This actually happened, and it was done by 'bots.
 
  There was not a human in the loop when the copyright police 'bots
used by Upstream (the streaming video provider for Worldcon) shut down
its broadcast.
 
  These censor-bots just decided that something was being seen that
they didn't think *should* be seen, according to what they had been told
by their programmers, and so they just shut the whole feed down. When
Upstream found out what happened and tried to restart the feed
(according to them), they couldn't. The censor-bots' word turned out to
be final. Go figure.
 
 
 
http://io9.com/5940036/how-copyright-enforcement-robots-killed-the-hugo-\
awards
 




Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Forget quot;Her.quot; Your life is already controlled by #39;bots

2014-01-10 Thread authfriend
See:
 

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technological_singularity 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technological_singularity

 

 Note especially the section In Popular Culture. 

  turq, I admit my mind is boggled by this idea. And that's a really good 
occurrence. But really?! Computers can do everything humans can do?! Only 
faster? More precisely? 
 

 
 
 On Friday, January 10, 2014 10:30 AM, TurquoiseB turquoiseb@... wrote:
 
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote:

 turq, I'd say that the world, on one level, is controlled by imperfect 
 programming and still-learning programmers. bots are only as useful as their 
 programming and programmers make them. Right?!

Wrong. You forget that I used to work for an AI company. ILOG was not just 
involved in optimization, but in natural language processing and rule-based 
programs as well. 

It's only an amateur's view that programs are only what they're originally 
programmed to be. They *can* learn, and they *can* make their own decisions, 
and they *can* parse English so well that if you were talking to one on the 
Internet, you wouldn't be able to tell whether they were human or not. I've 
seen demos of software in development that would shake your faith in the 
difference between human intelligence and machine intelligence.   

 On Friday, January 10, 2014 4:19 AM, TurquoiseB turquoiseb@... wrote:
 
 I found this a fascinating article to stumble upon right after seeing the 
 film Her. There will be some who will deny that we as a culture will never 
 become so dependent on computers and AIs as to allow them to shape and 
 control our lives as much as Theodore does in Her. 
 
 Well, let me present a theoretical case to you. You're a fan of science 
 fiction, and of scifi writing, TV, and movies. As such, you'd love to go to 
 the most prestigious ceremony for such things, the annual Hugo Awards. But 
 the awards are being held at Worldcon, a big gathering of scifi folk in 
 another city, and you can't afford to go there, so you tune in via the 
 streamed video feed of the event. And everything's going great. You're 
 enjoying the speeches and the clips from the TV shows and movies and all of a 
 sudden the feed is cut, and replaced with a blank screen containing the 
 words: 
 
 
 Worldcon banned due to copyright infringement.
 
 
 This actually happened, and it was done by 'bots. 
 
 There was not a human in the loop when the copyright police 'bots used by 
 Upstream (the streaming video provider for Worldcon) shut down its broadcast. 
 
 These censor-bots just decided that something was being seen that they didn't 
 think *should* be seen, according to what they had been told by their 
 programmers, and so they just shut the whole feed down. When Upstream found 
 out what happened and tried to restart the feed (according to them), they 
 couldn't. The censor-bots' word turned out to be final. Go figure. 
 
 
 http://io9.com/5940036/how-copyright-enforcement-robots-killed-the-hugo-awards

 
 
 

 
 



 
 
 
 





Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Forget Her. Your life is already controlled by 'bots

2014-01-10 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 1/10/2014 10:15 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:

  I've seen demos of software in development that would
  shake your faith in the difference between human
  intelligence and machine intelligence.
 
But, not sophisticated enough to detect the Boston Bomber, even human 
intelligence couldn't do that. Go figure.


Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Forget Her. Your life is already controlled by 'bots

2014-01-10 Thread Share Long
But Richard, maybe 'bots DID detect the Boston Bomber! Having just read 
wikipedia that Judy posted, thank you Judy for that, I'm not convinced that all 
'bots will act benevolently towards humans. Or maybe they will but maybe THEIR 
idea of benevolently will differ from ours! And will theirs be the right idea 
of benevolently or will they just think it is? 

This is VERY cool to think about, thanks turq (-: 





On Friday, January 10, 2014 10:54 AM, Richard J. Williams 
pundits...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  
On 1/10/2014 10:15 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:

 I've seen demos of software in development that would
 shake your faith in the difference between human
 intelligence and machine intelligence.

But, not sophisticated enough to detect the Boston Bomber, even human 
intelligence couldn't do that. Go figure.



[FairfieldLife] Why Karzai is not Signing Security Deal

2014-01-10 Thread jr_esq
The US diplomats don't appear to understand the reason why Karzai is not 
signing the deal to allow some American forces in the country after 2014.  It's 
actually very simple and seemingly brilliant.  He doesn't want the US or NATO 
in Afghanistan.   Nonetheless, his strategy may backfire after the occupying 
forces leave his country.  It's very likely that the Taliban will return with 
vengeance to oust the existing government of the country. 
 

 
http://news.yahoo.com/karzai-unlikely-meet-us-security-deal-deadline-044005873.html
 
http://news.yahoo.com/karzai-unlikely-meet-us-security-deal-deadline-044005873.html



Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: All About the Fighting Ascetics of India

2014-01-10 Thread Michael Jackson
Both Marshy and the current contenders for the Shankaracharya throne fucked up 
what could have been a good thing - as Buck's other master supposedly said By 
their fruits you shall know them.

On Fri, 1/10/14, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote:

 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: All About the Fighting Ascetics of India
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Friday, January 10, 2014, 4:14 PM
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
   
   
   On 1/2/2014 11:05 AM, Bhairitu wrote:
 
 
 
  TM is a joke compared to the centuries long tradition
 
   and knowledge of the Shakaracharya tradition.
 
  
 
 Actually when you think about it, MMY's TMO which gave
 rise to the 
 
 Deepakage and the Sri Sri, makes MMY style meditation
 worldwide look 
 
 like a towering mountain compared to a small ant hill - the
 local 
 
 Shankaracharya tradition in India.
 
 
 
 Millions of people worldwide read Deepak's books,
 millions of people 
 
 worldwide meditate like Sri Sri or MMY. But, hardly anyone,
 anywhere, 
 
 even take the Shankaracharya tradition in India seriously or
 less than a 
 
 joke. You got almost everything backwards this time. Go
 figure.
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


[FairfieldLife] Selling Singularity

2014-01-10 Thread Bhairitu
In line with the chatter over on the Turq section today thought I would 
mention the new CBS TV series Intelligence with Josh Holloway (Lost) 
which debuted the other night.  Holloway plays an intelligence agent who 
has been outfitted with special chips that allow him to interface with 
computers and analyze events in an extra way.

Unlike the trailer of the forthcoming movie Transcendence which seems 
to be critical of the Singularity this show seems to be selling.  It 
telegraphs wouldn't it be cool to have this throughout the show.  No 
it wouldn't.  Ray Kurweil's hair brained idea is in not for people who 
want to live naturally.  We don't need any stinkin' cyborgs.



Re: [FairfieldLife] Selling Singularity

2014-01-10 Thread Share Long
But noozguru, couldn't they be programmed to be EXACTLY as you want them to be? 
Even to smell good? (-:
Are you saying they would develop wills of their own? And how do I know that 
right now I'm not reacting to a secretly implanted govt chip, making me post 
this way?





On Friday, January 10, 2014 12:04 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
 
  
In line with the chatter over on the Turq section today thought I would 
mention the new CBS TV series Intelligence with Josh Holloway (Lost) 
which debuted the other night.  Holloway plays an intelligence agent who 
has been outfitted with special chips that allow him to interface with 
computers and analyze events in an extra way.

Unlike the trailer of the forthcoming movie Transcendence which seems 
to be critical of the Singularity this show seems to be selling.  It 
telegraphs wouldn't it be cool to have this throughout the show.  No 
it wouldn't.  Ray Kurweil's hair brained idea is in not for people who 
want to live naturally.  We don't need any stinkin' cyborgs.




Re: [FairfieldLife] Selling Singularity

2014-01-10 Thread Bhairitu
It's all about making someone rich and not about improving society.  
Records show you were implanted with a chip on November 10th, 2004.;-)


On 01/10/2014 10:11 AM, Share Long wrote:
But noozguru, couldn't they be programmed to be EXACTLY as you want 
them to be? Even to smell good? (-:
Are you saying they would develop wills of their own? And how do I 
know that right now I'm not reacting to a secretly implanted govt 
chip, making me post this way?




On Friday, January 10, 2014 12:04 PM, Bhairitu 
noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

In line with the chatter over on the Turq section today thought I would
mention the new CBS TV series Intelligence with Josh Holloway (Lost)
which debuted the other night. Holloway plays an intelligence agent who
has been outfitted with special chips that allow him to interface with
computers and analyze events in an extra way.

Unlike the trailer of the forthcoming movie Transcendence which seems
to be critical of the Singularity this show seems to be selling. It
telegraphs wouldn't it be cool to have this throughout the show. No
it wouldn't. Ray Kurweil's hair brained idea is in not for people who
want to live naturally. We don't need any stinkin' cyborgs.








[FairfieldLife] Re: Selling Singularity

2014-01-10 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:

 It's all about making someone rich and not about improving society.
 Records show you were implanted with a chip on November 10th, 2004.;-)

And its warranty expired a year later.  :-)





Re: [FairfieldLife] Forget Her. Your life is already controlled by 'bots

2014-01-10 Thread Bhairitu
Contrary to popular belief I do not watch TV 24/7.  Sounds like you 
watch more TV than I.  Of course I spend part of my day in front of a 
computer as I try to make a living from software development.  So 
looking at a big screen in the evening 8 feet away is very relaxing  on 
the eyes.  I also look at FFL sometimes using Chrome on Android.


You only worked 50 hours a week?  That's not enough to get an orange 
robe from the tech monastery. :-D


On 01/10/2014 08:26 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:


On 1/10/2014 10:09 AM, Share Long wrote:

 bots are only as useful as their programming and
 programmers make them. Right?!

Speaking of bots, somebody is monitoring my messages - probably bots
at the NSA, FBI, and the CIA. Go figure.

So, I wonder who here spends the most time in front of their computers?
It used to be me, when my job was a system analyst working fifty hours a
week. But, now I'm thinking Barry is using his laptop to watch streaming
video of the Hugo Awards at ComicCon; Judy is obviously in front o her
desktop at least ten hours every day, judging from her response times; I
wouldn't be surprised if the other Barry is on 24 x 7, multi-tasking and
watching TV. There's probably at least one respondent on this list that
uses an iPhone for reading newsgroups.






Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Forget Her. Your life is already controlled by 'bots

2014-01-10 Thread Bhairitu

On 01/10/2014 08:15 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote:

 turq, I'd say that the world, on one level, is controlled by 
imperfect programming and still-learning programmers. bots are only as 
useful as their programming and programmers make them. Right?!


*/Wrong. You forget that I used to work for an AI company. ILOG was 
not just involved in optimization, but in natural language processing 
and rule-based programs as well.


It's only an amateur's view that programs are only what they're 
originally programmed to be. They *can* learn, and they *can* make 
their own decisions, and they *can* parse English so well that if you 
were talking to one on the Internet, you wouldn't be able to tell 
whether they were human or not. I've seen demos of software in 
development that would shake your faith in the difference between 
human intelligence and machine intelligence. /*




The problem here is just because you can do it should you do it? There 
is little or no accountability for the moral implications of 
technological development.  We have too many dumb technologists who 
think the coolest thing would be humanity replaced by bots.


Your company probably only was doing this because they feared someone 
else getting their first and the stockholders would rebel.




[FairfieldLife] Birthplace of Nokia Corp!

2014-01-10 Thread cardemaister
http://tampere.skyviewlive.fi/ http://tampere.skyviewlive.fi/



 See Time lapse!



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Forget quot;Her.quot; Your life is already controlled by #39;bots

2014-01-10 Thread authfriend
Oh, Share, that's just the beginning.
 

 Now you're ready for the movie:
 

 http://singularity.com/themovie/#.UtBXk9JdWSo 
http://singularity.com/themovie/#.UtBXk9JdWSo

 

 And you'll definitely want to sign up on the movie site for the Kurzweil 
Accelerating Intelligence newsletter so you can stay up to speed on these 
exciting developments.
 

  But Richard, maybe 'bots DID detect the Boston Bomber! Having just read 
wikipedia that Judy posted, thank you Judy for that, I'm not convinced that all 
'bots will act benevolently towards humans. Or maybe they will but maybe THEIR 
idea of benevolently will differ from ours! And will theirs be the right idea 
of benevolently or will they just think it is? 

This is VERY cool to think about, thanks turq (-: 
 






[FairfieldLife] WaPo: Yahoo is bad at tech

2014-01-10 Thread authfriend
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2014/01/09/why-is-yahoo-bad-at-being-a-tech-company-it-doesnt-want-to-be-one/
 
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2014/01/09/why-is-yahoo-bad-at-being-a-tech-company-it-doesnt-want-to-be-one/
 
 

 Not telling us anything we on FFL didn't already know, but it's nice to see it 
announced loudly to the world...


[FairfieldLife] Cause of benefits

2014-01-10 Thread jpgillam
A question occurred to me recently that I had never considered in all my years 
of being a student and teacher of TM: How can we tell whether TM's benefits 
result from an experience of pure consciousness or from some vibrational 
quality of the mantra?



Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: All About the Fighting Ascetics of India

2014-01-10 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 1/10/2014 11:51 AM, Michael Jackson wrote:

  Both Marshy and the current contenders for the
  Shankaracharya throne fucked up what could have
  been a good thing
 
The Jyotirmath seat was specified in a will left by SBS. The will of SBS 
was not disputed. The VHP fully supported Guru Dev's successor Swami 
Shantanada Saraswati as the Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath. In an 
interview with Robert Kropinsky the Swami Svarupanand has stated that 
Guru Dev left a will which clearly specified the names of those 
individuals who were to assume the title and responsibilities of 
Shankaracharya after Guru Dev's death. The will specifed that Swami 
Shantanand was to succeed to the seat of the Shankaracharya of the 
North. According to Hinduism Today, Swami Vasudevanand Saraswati is the 
Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath

A Visit to the Shankaracharya, Part V:
http://minet.org/Documents/shank-5



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: All About the Fighting Ascetics of India

2014-01-10 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 1/10/2014 10:02 AM, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote:

  So, does our TM Shankaracharya  of Jyotirmatha: Vasudevananda
  Sarasvati have a controlling hand or thumb over any of the
  Estate of our Maharishiji in India?
 
According to what I've read, Swami Vasudevanand Sarswati fully supports 
MMY's programs in India.

Earlier on Thursday, it was the peshwai of Shankarcharya of Jyotish 
Peeth, Swami Vasudevanand Saraswati, which became a truly colossal event 
judging by all standards given the dominating presence of sadhus, 
Mahamandaleshwars, Nagas and Dandi swamis clad in saffron holding the 
dharma dhwaj marching in unison from the abode of Shankaracharya of 
Jyotish Peeth, Swami Vasudevanand Saraswati in Alopi Bagh.

'Saints cheer, devotees chant, Sangam echoes'
Times of India, January 5, 2013
http://tinyurl.com/amfcc57


[FairfieldLife] RE: Cause of benefits

2014-01-10 Thread emptybill
Yes.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Cause of benefits

2014-01-10 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 1/10/2014 4:14 PM, jpgillam wrote:

   How can we tell whether TM's benefits result from
  an experience of pure consciousness or from some
  vibrational quality of the mantra?
 
The mantras are the variables - you only get one single mantra in TM 
practice, but not everyone gets the same mantra. The constant is the 
pure consciousness - that's the same for everyone. So, the benefits come 
from the PC - the mantra is arbitrary.

Dr. Benson verified the physiological changes brought about by 
meditation and Christian prayer, then cut away the mythology, dogma, and 
ritual. The process which remained is simple enough to fit on two pages 
of the book... - Anthony P. Mayo

Read more:

'The Relaxation Response'
by Herbert Benson, M.D.
Harper, 1975


Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Cause of benefits

2014-01-10 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 1/10/2014 5:10 PM, emptyb...@yahoo.com wrote:
  Yes.
 
It looks like someone didn't get the memo. Go figure.


[FairfieldLife] RE: quot;If Another Country Was Doing This To Our Kids, We’d Be At Warquot;

2014-01-10 Thread s3raphita
The new movie by Scorsese, The Wolf of Wall Street starring Leonardo DiCaprio, 
is attracting criticism. Scorsese and DiCaprio are claiming it's a send-up of 
the greed and hedonism of the über-rich. The critics (probably rightly) point 
out that for the audience it's going to seem more like a glamorisation of a 
hedonistic, self-centred lifestyle they wish they could partake of.


Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: quot;If Another Country Was Doing This To Our Kids, We’d Be At Warquot;

2014-01-10 Thread Bhairitu
That's why the Tea Party votes against it's own best interests.  They 
feel they are going to be rich and enjoy that lifestyle some day.  Dream On!


On 01/10/2014 03:44 PM, s3raph...@yahoo.com wrote:


The new movie by Scorsese, The Wolf of Wall Street starring Leonardo 
DiCaprio, is attracting criticism. Scorsese and DiCaprio are claiming 
it's a send-up of the greed and hedonism of the über-rich. The critics 
(probably rightly) point out that for the audience it's going to seem 
more like a glamorisation of a hedonistic, self-centred lifestyle they 
wish they could partake of.







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2014-01-10 Thread FFL PostCount
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 30 steve.sundur
 29 Richard Williams 
 25 s3raphita
 23 doctordumbass
 23 Michael Jackson 
 22 Richard J. Williams 
 21 merudanda 
 19 nablusoss1008 
 16 jr_esq
 13 cardemaister
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Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: All About the Fighting Ascetics of India

2014-01-10 Thread Michael Jackson
you're an idiot - if the will wasn't contested, where the hell do you think the 
other contenders  came from? They popped up right after GD kicked the bucket

On Fri, 1/10/14, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote:

 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: All About the Fighting Ascetics of India
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Friday, January 10, 2014, 10:35 PM
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
   
   
   On 1/10/2014 11:51 AM, Michael Jackson wrote:
 
 
 
  Both Marshy and the current contenders for the
 
   Shankaracharya throne fucked up what could have
 
   been a good thing
 
  
 
 The Jyotirmath seat was specified in a will left by SBS. The
 will of SBS 
 
 was not disputed. The VHP fully supported Guru Dev's
 successor Swami 
 
 Shantanada Saraswati as the Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath. In
 an 
 
 interview with Robert Kropinsky the Swami Svarupanand has
 stated that 
 
 Guru Dev left a will which clearly specified the names of
 those 
 
 individuals who were to assume the title and
 responsibilities of 
 
 Shankaracharya after Guru Dev's death. The will specifed
 that Swami 
 
 Shantanand was to succeed to the seat of the Shankaracharya
 of the 
 
 North. According to Hinduism Today, Swami Vasudevanand
 Saraswati is the 
 
 Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath
 
 
 
 A Visit to the Shankaracharya, Part V:
 
 http://minet.org/Documents/shank-5
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: All About the Fighting Ascetics of India

2014-01-10 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 1/10/2014 6:22 PM, Michael Jackson wrote:

  if the will wasn't contested, where the hell do you
  think the other contenders came from?
 
The SBS will wasn't contested in a court of law. Swami Vasudevananda 
Saraswati is currently the *sole representative Guru Dev's lineage*, 
according to Sundaresan. In the case of the Shakaracharya it is the 
usual custom to follow the disciplic succession:  ...once Swami 
Brahmananda Saraswati was accepted as the Jyotirmath Sankaracharya, and 
there were no serious disputes about it at the time, further activities 
of these other institutions with respect to succession issues could be 
construed as unnecessary interference.

Work cited:

Jyotirmath Sankaracharya Lineage in the 20th Century
by Vidyasankar Sundaresan
http://indology.info/papers/sundaresan/

PASSED ON: Senior, retired, Shankaracharya of Jyotir Peeth, Swami 
Shantanand
Saraswati Ji Maharaj, age ninety, on December 7, 1997, in Allahabad, India.
Senior leaders of the VHP participated in final rites. Swami became
Shankaracharya in 1953 after the death of his guru, Brahmanand Saraswati.
Swami Vasudevanand Saraswati is his successor...

Hinduism Today March 1998


[FairfieldLife] The great voyage of my ordered book

2014-01-10 Thread Bhairitu
I mentioned recently that I liked Syrup on Netflix because it was 
bitingly good about corporate marketing.  It was based on a novel by Max 
Barry.  Reading over comments on IMDB I noted a lot of people wanted to 
see Barry's Jennifer Government made into a movie.  In fact it had 
been optioned for a movie by Stephen Soderbergh and George Clooney but 
it never got made so the rights returned to Barry.  The book is a satire 
about a future libertarian society and sounded good to me.  Furthermore 
the audio book sample on Amazon sounded good too.

So on Monday since I was going over to nearby Concord anyway I stopped 
at Half Price Books to see if they had it (wasn't listed online but you 
never know how up to date that stuff is).  No such luck though they did 
have Barry's Syrup and Company.  Used Jennifer Government sells 
from 1 cent on up.  I spied online that another store in the area had 
it.  The store in is another town just north of here and the store about 
9 miles by the crow flies.  Hell I went that far over to Concord.  BUT 
the problem is that town is on the other side of the strait and you have 
to cross a bridge to get there, a toll bridge.  And the toll is $5.  So 
it was cheaper to order it online from that store since the book was $1 
and shipping $2.75.

Fine, so I ordered Monday and Tuesday got a email the book shipped. Said 
it would ship by DHL and arrive. January 26th. Huh?  Not only that 
it looked like it might take that long because it would go all the way 
to Texas and back.  Huh?  So I inquired and they wondered there I got 
the Texas info (must not read their mail templates too close). The book 
actually went to a sorting center in Oakland (it did say elsewhere that 
it would be delivered to a regional USPS sorting center by DHL).  Okay 
and it was there by midnight, sorted by 5 AM.  That was Wednesday.  Then 
it went to the local post office which showed it arrived this morning 
(odd an extra day).  And it arrived this afternoon.

Things sure don't work like they used to.

PS: another thing I mentioned recently was waiting for Comcast to send 
my refund since they charge in advance and they owed me some prorated 
fees back.  I canceled in early October and still hadn't by yesterday 
seen that check though I had read you might have to prompt them to send 
it out.  So I went on their chat and they looked into it and said 
someone would call me.  They did this afternoon.  Seems the check went 
out in early November.  I never received it.  So they stopped that check 
and are sending a new one.

Things don't work the way they used to.



[FairfieldLife] RE: Cause of benefits

2014-01-10 Thread emptybill
Pure Awareness? ...
 

 So what is Impure Awareness? Awareness with a content? If so then such a 
definition would include the use of a mantra also.
  

 Awareness (pure or impure) is neither an experience nor an experiencer. 
Awareness precedes the separation between these two.   

 

 The mantra is vibrational speech (vac) that captures attention as a 
non-conceptual sensory experience. But more particularly, a mantra is uttered 
forth as speech and then entertained reflectively until it recedes into subtly. 
This utterance quality differentiates it from mere sound because it actualizes 
the cognizant agency (rather than sheer awareness) of the person. TM is thus 
demarcated from something like shamata-vipashyana (samata-vipassana).  

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jpgillam@... wrote:

 A question occurred to me recently that I had never considered in all my years 
of being a student and teacher of TM: How can we tell whether TM's benefits 
result from an experience of pure consciousness or from some vibrational 
quality of the mantra?
 


[FairfieldLife] RE: quot;If Another Country Was Doing This To Our Kids, We’d Be At Warquot;

2014-01-10 Thread awoelflebater


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote:

 The new movie by Scorsese, The Wolf of Wall Street starring Leonardo DiCaprio, 
is attracting criticism. Scorsese and DiCaprio are claiming it's a send-up of 
the greed and hedonism of the über-rich. The critics (probably rightly) point 
out that for the audience it's going to seem more like a glamorisation of a 
hedonistic, self-centred lifestyle they wish they could partake of.
 

 Only having seen the trailers I am thinking this is one of those over-the-top 
spectacles that, for me, merely concretizes the opinion I have that too much is 
too much. Although I think Leonardo is brilliant a lot of the time, this 
particular theme is not that appetizing. I see hedonism, debauchery and greed 
enough without paying to do so for two hours in a movie theater.